Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa

[RussellC]

I have to say that I really don't agree with this sentiment that we've played some 'decent' or 'reasonably' stuff under him. We've had our fair-share of possession, granted, but it's been as aimless and planless as anything served under Paul Lambert and less-so that under Sherwood.

I can't think of one goal that we've scored during Garde's stewardship that we could credit him for. They've all been either fortuitous (Richard's offside goal against Watford, the penalty against West Ham) or individual brilliance from Ayew. The defence look even less organised than before and he's getting no return out of our 3 genuine flair-players (Gill, Grealish and Traore). I'm massivley unconvinced by him.

[ozzjim]

He did have Cleveley Delph and Benteke plus Okore fitter and Vlaar in the back 4. Put Benteke into this side we are 8 points better off right now I reckon.

[tomd2103]

The criticism of Garde has been harsh bordering on the ridiculous. And the people calling him a coward yesterday, well I hope it was said in anger and frustration, rather than an actual informed opinion.

The team he put out yesterday does seem bizarre, unless you put in the context. Some players were injured (Sanchez), some just couldn't play 2 games in 48 hours (Lescott, Okore). What options did Remi have in defence? Not much obviously, don't you think he would play Crespo, Illori if they were any good? There's a reason we've recalled two on loan left backs.

The whole Gil-Grealish-Traore thing's pretty obvious too, if you put our defence into the context. We're so bad at giving away goals (yesterday being yet another prime example, though the Everton result is the one that did it for the manager) that Garde does not trust them to either keep hold of the ball for any length of time, or track back, work hard etc. to protect what is without doubt the worst defence in Christendom.

So,  you're Remi Garde. You've inherited a squad of players, who can't score goals, don't create many chances, can't keep hold of possession, are vulnerable to the counter attack, have no confidence, aren't particularly fit, some of them aren't even interested in playing football. What do you do? How can you win football games if you're shipping easy goals, and only occasionally look like scoring?...Pack your midfield with people who will at least help protect your this shit defence of yours, hope to nick a win somewhere, somehow and slowly build confidence, add some of your own players in January, stamp your authority over the malcontents, maybe even mount a proper relegation fight in the second half of the season

Has it worked out? Obviously not, and I understand people wanting Traore to come on earlier/start when Sinclair offers absolutely nothing going forward, but to call Garde a coward? Well that's just bloody stupid that is.

OK, so if that is the case, which was the more important of the two games?  Home to mid table West Ham or a pretty much must win game against a fellow relegation rival?

[PaulWinch again]

8 games worth a poor squad. Some encouraging signs in parts and not one player of his own choice.  Some people are even more fickle than me.  Give him some time and a decent chance!!

Boy have Villa fans been patient these last 5 years.
Trouble is, Garde has had zero impact so far. Even Sherwood for all his faults gave us a new manager lift. Garde though, absolutely nothing.

Yes but Garde has actually tried to place an element of stability in place. The 4 points he's got have actually been decent points, and if it wasn't for the fact we've got too many terrible players who make terrible mistakes we'd probably have more. Sherwood did get an initial lift, but the subsequent fall has left us where we are now. I don't think Garde has time to do it now, but maybe he's trying to create a basis of something to build from. Ultimately he needs some competent players and it's not fair to judge him yet.

[Nastylee]

I've been amazed at how the players are getting off so lightly. The suits have got a lot of stick and rightly so and now Remi seems to be on the radar. However, whenever I see our team play I see a distinct lack of effort from players that cannot be arsed to run forward and support attacks or simply track back and spot danger. Some players are mugging us off and it's seemingly going unnoticed in favour of stick being directed elsewhere. Shitness can almost be forgiven but some of the goals we give away with players looking half arsed is a travesty.

[saunders_heroes]

Garde had over half a season to turn it around and we're still not even into January yet. Of course he's had time and still has. He has a chance to get in some of his own players next month so it's not over yet. It still doesn't excuse the start to his reign though, which has been pretty dismal.

[Clampy]

I'd be keeping Garde too. He did a decent job at Lyon and it's possible with some of his own players in he can do the same here eventually.

[ozzjim]

His record and pedigree suggests he has a decent idea.  A win in the next 2 and he is doing marginally better than Sherwood. He needs time and the fans to afford him that. We have to get stability with someone.  I would sooner it be Garde than Pearson or Allardyce

[Clampy]

I've got to say though, he made a right mess of that defensive line up yesterday. Okore, fair enough but i'd have left Lescott in and kept Bacuna at left back and just brought Richards in. Changing three out of the back four was just asking for trouble and at times they looked like a defence that hadn't played together before.

[Nastylee]

When you're in a position that means you are playing Bacuna at left back then the writing really is on the wall.

[saunders_heroes]

When you're in a position that means you are playing Bacuna at left back then the writing really is on the wall.

Bacuna is a bloody awful footballer, but he's a symptom of Villa's rot. He's only here because he's cheap.

[RussellC]

I'd be keeping Garde too. He did a decent job at Lyon and it's possible with some of his own players in he can do the same here eventually.

I really can't work out what to make of his record at Lyon to be honest. On paper, it's pretty unspectacular given the size and stature of the club, and whilst I appreciate that there was a myriad of mitigating factors, it's not particularly clear-cut that he was a a raging success there. Do his "record and pedigree" really suggest that he's the right man for the job in hand?

[Ormy Droid]

The criticism of Garde has been harsh bordering on the ridiculous. And the people calling him a coward yesterday, well I hope it was said in anger and frustration, rather than an actual informed opinion.

The team he put out yesterday does seem bizarre, unless you put in the context. Some players were injured (Sanchez), some just couldn't play 2 games in 48 hours (Lescott, Okore). What options did Remi have in defence? Not much obviously, don't you think he would play Crespo, Illori if they were any good? There's a reason we've recalled two on loan left backs.

The whole Gil-Grealish-Traore thing's pretty obvious too, if you put our defence into the context. We're so bad at giving away goals (yesterday being yet another prime example, though the Everton result is the one that did it for the manager) that Garde does not trust them to either keep hold of the ball for any length of time, or track back, work hard etc. to protect what is without doubt the worst defence in Christendom.

So,  you're Remi Garde. You've inherited a squad of players, who can't score goals, don't create many chances, can't keep hold of possession, are vulnerable to the counter attack, have no confidence, aren't particularly fit, some of them aren't even interested in playing football. What do you do? How can you win football games if you're shipping easy goals, and only occasionally look like scoring?...Pack your midfield with people who will at least help protect your this shit defence of yours, hope to nick a win somewhere, somehow and slowly build confidence, add some of your own players in January, stamp your authority over the malcontents, maybe even mount a proper relegation fight in the second half of the season

Has it worked out? Obviously not, and I understand people wanting Traore to come on earlier/start when Sinclair offers absolutely nothing going forward, but to call Garde a coward? Well that's just bloody stupid that is.

OK, so if that is the case, which was the more important of the two games?  Home to mid table West Ham or a pretty much must win game against a fellow relegation rival?

Home to an injury ravaged West Ham, win that, build some confidence, then see who's fit enough to maybe sneak a point at Norwich. It didn't work, but what else could he do? Play Richardson and Clark against West Ham? That would have gone down well, and resulted in yet another abject defeat...Followed on 48 hours later by yet another, probably.

[Clampy]

I don't mind Bacuna. He's been asked to play different positions since he's been here and I think overall he's done ok for us. I had no idea where he was meant to be playing yesterday though, he looked a bit lost.

[David_Nab]

At this point can't help feeling the club is doomed to fail

It just seems unbelievable they we can change players managers tactics coaches fitness trainers yet we still end up being shit.

Swansea where in trouble 2 games ago since they have gotten 4 points and kept 2 clean sheets ,if we could just fucking defend we might have a chance or even if we could not concede first but it's uphill every game

Garde seems a decent guy but the defence is still shit and there is nothing going forward ,other than Ayew we have zero goal threat.Player recruitment has been an issue of course for a whole list of reasons

1) Guzan needed to be replaced and Bunn clearly isn't capable of pushing him for a spot so why was he brought ?
2)Other than Sanchez there is no steel in midfield and for the most part yesterday we were outmuscled in the middle something which will continue in the championship if not rectified
3)Going into season we not proven top flight goal scorer was insanity
4)Richards ,Okore,Lescott ,Sendaros,Clark,Ilori ,Crespo 7 players who can play CB and really only Lescott/Okore have looked anywhere near solid enough how the fuck can you have 7 CBs and still not build a decent defence
5)Hutton yes he tries yes he runs up and down the wing but fuck a duck he is poor at defending at rarely creates anything form his runs upfield and his forward passing is abysmal