Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa

[mr underhill]

spot on Brian. Sadly Garde is making the same mistakes as the previous two incumbents - there are certain players who should never be in a Villa shirt and yet appear week after week (although he does seem to have  sussed GabFlab). Try something different! At least we'd have a new debate on their replacement's suitability/non suitability instead of re treading the same old argument week in week out. Time now for some radical team selections - we're 99.9% down so have very little to loose.

[brian green]

Thanks Mr U and good morning.
We once had a spell like this when Joe Mercer came in to manage us. It was not his own concept because Matt Busby had launched the Busby Babes - Charlton, Edwards, Taylor, Violett et al - but Mercer brought in young untried players woefully named Mercer's Minnows by the Meaning Evil.  They did quite well and introduced Tindall, Deakin and Sleeuwenhoek among others. It lifted the fans and gave a bit of hope where previously there was none. Regrettably I cannot see anything similar happening now because Remi Garde has placed himself squarely under the flag of conservatism. Shame, I had high hopes that he would be an interesting manager but I fear he is a boring one.
I can see him at home on Dec 31 writing out his New Year Resolutions.   1.  Get into play offs.

[ozzjim]

I am reserving judgement on whether he is conservative or not until he has his own players. I think or at least understand why he has gone with the current formation. We are over run in midfield most weeks and have a comedy club playing in our back 4. We tried expansive a couple of times and lost badly. The only option was to try and find a balance that he was getting towards in the previous games but the loss of Sanchez and the reshuffle of the back 4 fecked it all yesterday. I don't believe he is inherently conservative, but getting results with this side is just to much. I reserve judgement until 10 games into next season. We should have an idea then of his ability both to build his own side and also find the attack defence balance. He was thought of as more of an attacking manager at Lyon after all.

[rob_bridge]

I think that is fair. Let's see how we are playing come the end of October and how many of these clueless morons we have managed to shift on by then.

That'll give us an idea how Garde can / may / will be.

We need 6 or 7 first teamers, some of the first teamers to be at best sub and some of the first teamers and more peripheral members to be binned totally. And a very select number of subs/peripheral players to be given more game time if they continue to demonstrate the right approach.

First though we need to get rid of the multiple tumours - Gabby, CNZ, Cole, Richardson, Richards, etc....

[andyh]

I think that is fair. Let's see how we are playing come the end of October and how many of these clueless morons we have managed to shift on by then.

That'll give us an idea how Garde can / may / will be.

We need 6 or 7 first teamers, some of the first teamers to be at best sub and some of the first teamers and more peripheral members to be binned totally. And a very select number of subs/peripheral players to be given more game time if they continue to demonstrate the right approach.

First though we need to get rid of the multiple tumours - Gabby, CNZ, Cole, Richardson, Richards, etc....

Bloody hell, give it till October?
We were being asked to be patient in August, and wait for all of our summer signings to gel, because its a new team and they need to bond and learn how to play together.
We'll know where we stand by November, we were informed.
Well, we all know where that is.

Now, we've got to give it another 10 months?

I don't know how many rebuilds a single club can go through.

[Bad English]

Folks. Please don't mention "need" and "pre-season"  just yet. Please!

[PaulWinch again]

I am reserving judgement on whether he is conservative or not until he has his own players. I think or at least understand why he has gone with the current formation. We are over run in midfield most weeks and have a comedy club playing in our back 4. We tried expansive a couple of times and lost badly. The only option was to try and find a balance that he was getting towards in the previous games but the loss of Sanchez and the reshuffle of the back 4 fecked it all yesterday. I don't believe he is inherently conservative, but getting results with this side is just to much. I reserve judgement until 10 games into next season. We should have an idea then of his ability both to build his own side and also find the attack defence balance. He was thought of as more of an attacking manager at Lyon after all.

Exactly my thoughts as well. He has inherited an absolute shambles of a team with some of the worst players ever to play in the top flight. He tried to be expansive against Everton and we got battered. It's needs must until he can get the players he wants in. As you state he was known for a pretty attacking philosophy at Lyon, so I doubt he's completely changed his ideas after a few games in charge at us.

[OzVilla]

I think Garde absolutely has to be given till October to see what he's like. He's inherited utter wank here with poor standard players and some poor attitudes by the looks of some of them.

I'd like to see what he can do with a proper preseason behind him and with his players playing to his style.

I'm not prepared to mark him down on the performances of garbage like Richardson, Westwood, Hutton and Guzan.  Shankly would struggle with that lot.

[rob_bridge]

I think that is fair. Let's see how we are playing come the end of October and how many of these clueless morons we have managed to shift on by then.

That'll give us an idea how Garde can / may / will be.

We need 6 or 7 first teamers, some of the first teamers to be at best sub and some of the first teamers and more peripheral members to be binned totally. And a very select number of subs/peripheral players to be given more game time if they continue to demonstrate the right approach.

First though we need to get rid of the multiple tumours - Gabby, CNZ, Cole, Richardson, Richards, etc....

Bloody hell, give it till October?
We were being asked to be patient in August, and wait for all of our summer signings to gel, because its a new team and they need to bond and learn how to play together.
We'll know where we stand by November, we were informed.
Well, we all know where that is.

Now, we've got to give it another 10 months?

I don't know how many rebuilds a single club can go through.

I was refering to Garde

[oswald funkletrumpet]

what worries me most about garde is that in 8 games we havent had any new manager bounce.

overly cautious, unwilling to change things until its too late and the players still making the same shit mistakes and a complete lack of confidence and leadership.

nothing has changed since sherwood

[itbrvilla]

what worries me most about garde is that in 8 games we havent had any new manager bounce.

overly cautious, unwilling to change things until its too late and the players still making the same shit mistakes and a complete lack of confidence and leadership.

nothing has changed since sherwood

Yep.

[TonyD]

spot on Brian. Sadly Garde is making the same mistakes as the previous two incumbents - there are certain players who should never be in a Villa shirt and yet appear week after week (although he does seem to have  sussed GabFlab). Try something different! At least we'd have a new debate on their replacement's suitability/non suitability instead of re treading the same old argument week in week out. Time now for some radical team selections - we're 99.9% down so have very little to loose.

Yes the lack of creativity in team selection is odd.   It might be financial clauses on players wages.

[john e]

Mcliesh, Lambert, Sherwood, Garde they all morph into the same manager in the end

at least Lambert and Sherwood tried at the beginning to be a bit positive only to go the same way as the rest in the end
 Garde hasnt even bothered, just picked things up where we left of,
 that's the most disappointing thing of all for me,

[PaulWinch again]

I still maintain that Garde was just try to eek out what he could with the utter garbage he's been given. He's made mistakes, but give him a chance to get some players in before judging him.

[john e]

I still maintain that Garde was just try to eek out what he could with the utter garbage he's been given. He's made mistakes, but give him a chance to get some players in before judging him.

i really want to believe in a Garde, I was very happy with the appointment and reading all the stuff of how he likes to play the game etc
But yesterday's line up showed he's just the same as the rest, I hate saying it but that's the truth of the matter,
There is no excuse for the rubbish players he is starting with, no excuse
Back him all you like but Until he changes his conservative approach he will go the same way as the rest