Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa

[Risso]

I repeat the words of SGT. To go forwards you first have to stop going backwards.

Which as yet, we haven't.

Before he arrived we had lost 7 in a row, since he took over we have drawn 3 from 6. It's not brilliant but it is clearly better.

It's still the sort of points tally that will see us relegated with months to spare.  I'm not writing off him off by the way, I'm just saying I'm not impressed so far.  The starting line up yesterday was dire, and he needs to be more adventurous from the off.

[sickbeggar]

Writing off Garde is sheer madness at this point. He's got our poorest squad since Jesus was a lad and no transfer window to improve it, he's joined at a period of little to no confidence at all in the squad and he's expected to turn it around in a handful of games? Christ, the demand for instant results is absolutely crazy in today's game. I'd say he needs until this time next year to try to turn round this horrendous negativity in the club.

I'm not writing him off really. My point is that a manager who (probably) takes a club down, however little that is to do with him, rarely turns up back in the premier a year later. At the moment garde has arrived with zero expectations really. Most Villa fans realise he's been dealt a bum hand. Once we're in Championship that will change rapidly, shite squad or not he'll be expected to be up near the top pretty sharpish into the season.

[shipscat]

The clubs that tend to have a barnstormer after relegation,tend to be the clubs that are financially secure.All the teams that we invoke the nightmare scenario of failing longterm to get out of the championship suffered in this regard,Coventry,Forest,Wednesday,Leeds were all run by financial numptees.Us;naive,unorganised...Yet I still feel we will be supported in this sense.With dollars.

For me,I'd suggest that Lerner won't reach for the emergency exit and Mr Garde will be given the tools and time to pull this poorly sailed tanker in a 180 degree motion.All the evidence,whether it's the L'Equipe interview or the fact that he's felt confident enough to publically deride some of our  paper assets about their lack of endeavour and ability apparent to their pay checks,suggests to me he's confident of being around to benefit from the short term pain.Good.

[Chris Smith]

Even having the courage to go down fighting could have such an important influence. It might mean the difference between hanging onto a decent player or not. It could mean being able to persuade a decent player to join us for a glamour-free campaign in the Championship.

And most importantly, nobody ever achieved anything by believing that it was impossible and they might as well fucking give up.

It could also mean that we go into next season so so with some optimism. If we just give up now we could be in the third division before we catch breath, go down having given it a go and we have a chance to go into next season fighting.

[LeeB]

Even having the courage to go down fighting could have such an important influence. It might mean the difference between hanging onto a decent player or not. It could mean being able to persuade a decent player to join us for a glamour-free campaign in the Championship.

And most importantly, nobody ever achieved anything by believing that it was impossible and they might as well fucking give up.

It could also mean that we go into next season so so with some optimism. If we just give up now we could be in the third division before we catch breath, go down having given it a go and we have a chance to go into next season fighting.

I think the manager understands this clearly, and it's probably the most critical issue to address at the club.

[pauliewalnuts]

When Newcastle went down, they used it to shed themselves of some real non-contributing wage guzzling duds, kept most of the ones they wanted to keep, and came straight back up.

That's what we need to be thinking.

[Risso]

When Newcastle went down, they used it to shed themselves of some real non-contributing wage guzzling duds, kept most of the ones they wanted to keep, and came straight back up.

That's what we need to be thinking.

They were in the fortunate position of having Andy Carroll and Kevin Nolan, who were too good for the Championship, and those two were mostly responsible for bringing them back up.  Other than maybe Ayew, I don't think we've got many players we can say that about.

[pauliewalnuts]

When Newcastle went down, they used it to shed themselves of some real non-contributing wage guzzling duds, kept most of the ones they wanted to keep, and came straight back up.

That's what we need to be thinking.

They were in the fortunate position of having Andy Carroll and Kevin Nolan, who were too good for the Championship, and those two were mostly responsible for bringing them back up.  Other than maybe Ayew, I don't think we've got many players we can say that about.

Honestly, I am as fucked off as anyone about us being such an embarrassment, but this whole "we haven't got a single decent player" thing is nonsense.

[Risso]

When Newcastle went down, they used it to shed themselves of some real non-contributing wage guzzling duds, kept most of the ones they wanted to keep, and came straight back up.

That's what we need to be thinking.

They were in the fortunate position of having Andy Carroll and Kevin Nolan, who were too good for the Championship, and those two were mostly responsible for bringing them back up.  Other than maybe Ayew, I don't think we've got many players we can say that about.

Honestly, I am as fucked off as anyone about us being such an embarrassment, but this whole "we haven't got a single decent player" thing is nonsense.

I think Veretout and Gueye will be OK in the Championship, and hopefully Grealish will start to realise his talent, but honestly, who have we got who'd you'd say is nailed on to do a good job of taking us back up? 

[LeeB]

When Newcastle went down, they used it to shed themselves of some real non-contributing wage guzzling duds, kept most of the ones they wanted to keep, and came straight back up.

That's what we need to be thinking.

They were in the fortunate position of having Andy Carroll and Kevin Nolan, who were too good for the Championship, and those two were mostly responsible for bringing them back up.  Other than maybe Ayew, I don't think we've got many players we can say that about.

The three Jordans would tear up that league. Traore would blossom. Okore would be way too good for that level, as would Gana, and if young Jack can see the light it would be the making of him.

The rest can fuck off though.

[dave.woodhall]

When Newcastle went down, they used it to shed themselves of some real non-contributing wage guzzling duds, kept most of the ones they wanted to keep, and came straight back up.

That's what we need to be thinking.

They were in the fortunate position of having Andy Carroll and Kevin Nolan, who were too good for the Championship, and those two were mostly responsible for bringing them back up.  Other than maybe Ayew, I don't think we've got many players we can say that about.

The three Jordans would tear up that league. Traore would blossom. Okore would be way too good for that level, as would Gana, and if young Jack can see the light it would be the making of him.

The rest can fuck off though.

I have a horrible feeling that at least four of that lot will end up playing in the Champions League, and we'll be watching them.

[Des Little]

I don't think any of our genuine talent would stick around if we dropped, I really don't.

[LeeB]

When Newcastle went down, they used it to shed themselves of some real non-contributing wage guzzling duds, kept most of the ones they wanted to keep, and came straight back up.

That's what we need to be thinking.

They were in the fortunate position of having Andy Carroll and Kevin Nolan, who were too good for the Championship, and those two were mostly responsible for bringing them back up.  Other than maybe Ayew, I don't think we've got many players we can say that about.

The three Jordans would tear up that league. Traore would blossom. Okore would be way too good for that level, as would Gana, and if young Jack can see the light it would be the making of him.

The rest can fuck off though.

I have a horrible feeling that at least four of that lot will end up playing in the Champions League, and we'll be watching them.

Can you keep those feelings to yourself in the short term, I've enough demons to deal with at the moment.

[PaulWinch again]

When Newcastle went down, they used it to shed themselves of some real non-contributing wage guzzling duds, kept most of the ones they wanted to keep, and came straight back up.

That's what we need to be thinking.

They were in the fortunate position of having Andy Carroll and Kevin Nolan, who were too good for the Championship, and those two were mostly responsible for bringing them back up.  Other than maybe Ayew, I don't think we've got many players we can say that about.

Honestly, I am as fucked off as anyone about us being such an embarrassment, but this whole "we haven't got a single decent player" thing is nonsense.

I think Veretout and Gueye will be OK in the Championship, and hopefully Grealish will start to realise his talent, but honestly, who have we got who'd you'd say is nailed on to do a good job of taking us back up? 

I reckon Veretout, Gueye, Ayew, Amavi, Okore, Richards, Gestede(only in the Championship), Grealish, Gil, Sinclair and Adama would potentially run riot. If, and it's a big if, we kept those players and added a few in, with 6
months plus under Garde, we'd smash the teams in the Championship.

[ktvillan]

The results may have only picked up slightly under Garde but let's face it he's not had much to work with.  A whole bunch of mediocre players to shuffle, whose confidence and motivation were at rock bottom, and many with serious attitude problems.  Apart from the slight improvement in results you can see improvements in the way the likes of Veretout and Ayew have been playing after being given a fair chance. He's also been denied the services of one of our better players, Amavi, whom I dare say would have thrived under Garde after having been discarded by Dim. And from what I can see the passing and movement is showing signs of improvement.  I do think he could be bolder with Traore but he is a bit raw, and I get the impression Garde wants to steady the ship first and try to get to the window still with a chance of avoiding the drop, however slim.