Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa

[sickbeggar]

yes but it's a different scenario and a different league.

And SGT was of a different time - 30 years ago.

The game has changed so much since then it is barely worth comparing.

Maybe, but a knowledge of the type of players needed to do well in the Championship would still be advantageous. We won't be competing with premier clubs for players next season wherever Garde decides to get his players from.  We'll be scouting players at a lower level, just like we did under SGT

[Risso]

Remember those chants of "Fergie on the dole!"? I am not saying Rémi will be a Fergie for us but we might benefit from his approach, even in Div 2. Why get the jitters about him now?

Whenever somebody mentions Ferguson in this context, it's always worth remembering that he finished 2nd in his first full season in charge.  I haven't been overly impressed with Garde so far.  Other than bombing out wasters like Gabby, he seems to have improved precisely nothing so far.  I can't see which game he's actually going to win.  He's inherited a shit team of course, but I had hoped for some signs of improvement.

[LTA]

Until we see a marked improvement, then there's no way people can say he's an improvement on Sherwood.  He's had six games and picked up 3 points which have  been barely deserved.  Gardes tactics are far too cowardly considering we need wins.

[brian green]

I repeat the words of SGT. To go forwards you first have to stop going backwards.

[Risso]

I repeat the words of SGT. To go forwards you first have to stop going backwards.

Which as yet, we haven't.

[damon loves JT]

It is easy to be negative. It is even rational to be negative. But it doesn't really help, does it?

[pauliewalnuts]

Pretty hard to believe people are writing Garde off already.

As for no improvement, well, we've at least started drawing a few more games. It's not much but it is better than losing them.

I didn't expect anything against Man City, Southampton or Newcastle, but we drew them all. We now need to use that as a base to win some of the more winnable games we have coming up.

When Garde came here, we were P10 W1 D1 L8 and had just lost our sixth consecutive game.

That's a truly awful run of results. I don't know what kind of improvement people expect in a short time frame, with a record like that and the momentum of a double decker bus heading for a cliff at 100mph.

[Chris Smith]

I repeat the words of SGT. To go forwards you first have to stop going backwards.

Which as yet, we haven't.

Before he arrived we had lost 7 in a row, since he took over we have drawn 3 from 6. It's not brilliant but it is clearly better.

[sickbeggar]

I'm afraid that's where we are. We're a coma patient occassionally fluttering an eyelid or moving a finger. Everyone hopes we're gonna spring to life, but the chances are they will turn off the machine in May. It's a long drawn out death really. No-one knows if garde will be here in the summer, or what players will be, so you can't even plan for hopefully better days. There's nowt to do but wait really :0(

[pauliewalnuts]

Until we see a marked improvement, then there's no way people can say he's an improvement on Sherwood.  He's had six games and picked up 3 points which have  been barely deserved.

That doesn't even stand up to mathematical examination.

Sherwood: P10 W1 D1 L8 = 4 points from 10 matches = 0.4 points a game.
Garde: P6 W0 D3 L3 = 3 points from 6 matches = 0.5 points a game.

So, mathematically, it is an improvement, if a marginal one.

[john e]

Sherwood for me was an impact manager, and whatever anyone says he did the job for us last season and we stayed up, long term he got found out, but I am probably in a minority of one with the view that I don't see him as negatively as most others on here

 Garde is not an impact manager,
he seems more of a long term strategist and hopefully can be the man who like SGT can build something of quality, I like him and like the way he comes over and I want to believe in him, but he needs to give us something to hang on to

like Risso I'm not totally convinced yet,
 to many obvious mistakes in the lineups  (like Sherwood)
and he definitely doesn't know his best team yet, I hope he gets to grips with it all soon because the biggest thing we need is a shot of convidence, as was evident on Saturday when we turned up in the second half

[damon loves JT]

Even having the courage to go down fighting could have such an important influence. It might mean the difference between hanging onto a decent player or not. It could mean being able to persuade a decent player to join us for a glamour-free campaign in the Championship.

And most importantly, nobody ever achieved anything by believing that it was impossible and they might as well fucking give up.

[sickbeggar]

Even having the courage to go down fighting could have such an important influence. It might mean the difference between hanging onto a decent player or not. It could mean being able to persuade a decent player to join us for a glamour-free campaign in the Championship.

And most importantly, nobody ever achieved anything by believing that it was impossible and they might as well fucking give up.

just don't believe in false hope. Even if we give it a go and say Ayew manages 10 goals till the end of the season he'll be flogged because that's the club's modus operandi. Same with garde. He could pick up and do a decent job. Will Lerner back him if we go down? - i wouldn't bet on it. I prefer to wait till the dust has settled on the devastation which with Lerner making decisions could be any time from May till this time next year.

[damon loves JT]

Yes you could well be right. But I don't think that hope comes into it, false or otherwise. It's just bottle.

[Tom_Mc9?]

Writing off Garde is sheer madness at this point. He's got our poorest squad since Jesus was a lad and no transfer window to improve it, he's joined at a period of little to no confidence at all in the squad and he's expected to turn it around in a handful of games? Christ, the demand for instant results is absolutely crazy in today's game. I'd say he needs until this time next year to try to turn round this horrendous negativity in the club.