Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa

[Monty]

'I'm discounting MON's record in Scotland '

Of course you are.

Let's be quite clear about something - winning trophies as Rangers or Celtic manager (before the Sevco hilariousness) really doesn't count. If you fail to win many trophies you are a complete failure.

[Villa in Denmark]

'I'm discounting MON's record in Scotland '

Of course you are.

Go on then. If you want to explain why that adds anything to the debate as to his suitability, explain why using MON's record in Scotland is OK if you don't want to argue for McLeish in the same breath. Similar records in the same timeframe in Scotland.

One nearly bankrupted us.
One nearly relegated us.
Neither fit for purpose.

[eamonn]

In fairness to O'Neill his Celtic team, with Henrik Larsson in brilliant form, were very unlucky to lose the 2004 Uefa Cup final against Mourinho's Porto.

[damon loves JT]

'I'm discounting MON's record in Scotland '

Of course you are.

Let's be quite clear about something - winning trophies as Rangers or Celtic manager (before the Sevco hilariousness) really doesn't count. If you fail to win many trophies you are a complete failure.

I think the site rules make it clear that this subject cannot be discussed without use of the phrase 'tinpot Scottish shit'

[FatSam]

Different sized trophy cabinet though.

MON had been managing for 21 years rather than 3 when he arrived here.

[Phil from the upper holte]

Is it me or did he say something along the lines of I've got some problems to sort out? I enjoyed what sky showed. Liked how he said need scouts I can't be everywhere

[Monty]

Some of the hyperbole about our current position makes me want to vomit.

We are four points from safety. The first week in November.

We're not getting hammered week in, week out, either.

Had we kept Sherwood, we would have been doomed, I honestly believe that - because he's a clueless shyster in a position way, way beyond his competence.

We've got rid of him, though, and appointed someone whose record suggests he should be well suited for what we want.

You can not spend weeks moaning about Sherwood and how he's condemning us to relegation and then continue to insist we're fucked before the new manager has even had his first day of training.

This is all true and very sensible, with a caveat - that we could easily be seven points away from safety after this weekend, if Norwich and Bournemouth win. If Newcastle beat Bournemouth, on the other hand, then we'll be six points out (I'm assuming that we lost to City, just for the moment). It needs to be emphasised just how much Sherwood has fucked us with his miraculous run of losses.

[brian green]

I am very pleased with his appointment and very impressed by his first public words and demeanour.

For me what he has done is draw the sting of relegation. My wholly personal view is that playing winning football again is the most pressing problem not the accumulation of league points. Of course they go together but you have to put them in the right order.  Good football is winning football, winning football gathers points and you enter a virtuous cycle of happier fans and bigger crowds. Get it the wrong way round and play stink-the-house-out anti football and you may scrape survival for three or four or five seasons but you eventually have to face the reality of what you have become as a football club. The sniggering and mockery of the commentators at the Tottenham game is as low as it gets for Aston Villa in my book. Time to put the last five years behind us and do things differently.

So that I do not get accused of defeatism I will add that the key man to our survival in the short term is Duverne not Remi Garde. Improved stamina levels can be imposed relatively quickly and that ought to squeeze out the last quarter capitulations we have become resigned to for months now. The very thought of Gabby having to face up to losing the blubber or being on his bike cheers me enormously. As does Libor Kozak actually being in consideration after all he has gone through.

Welcome Remy and thanks for coming.

[lovejoy]

In fairness to O'Neill his Celtic team, with Henrik Larsson in brilliant form, were very unlucky to lose the 2004 Uefa Cup final against Mourinho's Porto.

That match gave us a valuable insight to what Mourinho would be like in the future with a team strangling any creativity out of the match, using every trick in the book when they were patently the better team anyway.

[passport1]

In fairness to O'Neill his Celtic team, with Henrik Larsson in brilliant form, were very unlucky to lose the 2004 Uefa Cup final against Mourinho's Porto.

Thank you Eamonn. I think Larsson said that MON gave the most inspirational pre match team talk he had ever heard. Porto apparently had to resort to cheating in the end to get the better of them.

[Dr Butler]

Some of the hyperbole about our current position makes me want to vomit.

We are four points from safety. The first week in November.

We're not getting hammered week in, week out, either.

Had we kept Sherwood, we would have been doomed, I honestly believe that - because he's a clueless shyster in a position way, way beyond his competence.

We've got rid of him, though, and appointed someone whose record suggests he should be well suited for what we want.

You can not spend weeks moaning about Sherwood and how he's condemning us to relegation and then continue to insist we're fucked before the new manager has even had his first day of training.

This is all true and very sensible, with a caveat - that we could easily be seven points away from safety after this weekend, if Norwich and Bournemouth win. If Newcastle beat Bournemouth, on the other hand, then we'll be six points out (I'm assuming that we lost to City, just for the moment). It needs to be emphasised just how much Sherwood has fucked us with his miraculous run of losses.

agreed about the Sherwood fucking us bit, but it is the 6th of November and there is a long way to go in the League and we also have a Jan transfer window to use too.

other fans of other teams I have spoke to all agree that we should not be where we are with the team we have and that Sherwood was only taking us one way, they all agreed the Villa did the right thing in getting rid too.
They also said that the Villa will climb the table in the next 2/3 months....

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[Ron Manager]

I am very pleased with his appointment and very impressed by his first public words and demeanour.

For me what he has done is draw the sting of relegation. My wholly personal view is that playing winning football again is the most pressing problem not the accumulation of league points. Of course they go together but you have to put them in the right order.  Good football is winning football, winning football gathers points and you enter a virtuous cycle of happier fans and bigger crowds. Get it the wrong way round and play stink-the-house-out anti football and you may scrape survival for three or four or five seasons but you eventually have to face the reality of what you have become as a football club. The sniggering and mockery of the commentators at the Tottenham game is as low as it gets for Aston Villa in my book. Time to put the last five years behind us and do things differently.

So that I do not get accused of defeatism I will add that the key man to our survival in the short term is Duverne not Remi Garde. Improved stamina levels can be imposed relatively quickly and that ought to squeeze out the last quarter capitulations we have become resigned to for months now. The very thought of Gabby having to face up to losing the blubber or being on his bike cheers me enormously. As does Libor Kozak actually being in consideration after all he has gone through.

Welcome Remy and thanks for coming.

Gabby, it may be said, must impress on the training field. The previous four managers and KMac have spoken well of him.Unfortunately where it matters he is appallingly poor in almost every game. They will not get rid of him because of his contract so at best he will make the bench for a few games. I cannot imagine Remi Garde selecting him for any first team game which of course means he probably will!

[ROBBO]

It will be fascinating to see how Garde sets the team up, who he leaves out will be a good indicator of the style of play we will be adopting from now on. He must have a very good idea of the quality of our French contingent.

[brian green]

Agree Ron. Agree ROB.  I can't wait to see what Remi makes it our squad. So far the foreign imports have been viewed through Sherwood's jaundiced eyes and it will be very informative who starts to do the business. I expect Ayew to come on leaps and bounds now released from being firmly put behind Gabby and once Veretout is properly fit and playing in front of Sanchez and Gana I expect a lot more from him. Interesting times.

[SamTheMouse]

I still think Garde will need a bit of financial assistance in January. A quality striker is a must, and so far Gestede looks like a total carthorse, albeit a carthorse who can head it a bit. Still, maybe the manager can get more out of him. He's another member of the French contingent, so maybe Rémi will find "les bons mots" to inspire him.