If you knew the entire story, and the actions of Bernstein and King, you might understand why thing went down the way they did. The offensive emails are the tip of the iceberg....I would simply say that the boardroom issues are more thorny than some have suggested, though others have been fairly close to the truth, but not nearly cynical enough about the actions of the two former board members.
One of those rare moments when we can all agree on something, well said Peter.
Quote from: Bren'd on April 21, 2016, 12:35:48 PMQuote from: Billy Walker on April 21, 2016, 10:32:30 AMQuote from: pelty on April 21, 2016, 02:29:05 AMIf you knew the entire story, and the actions of Bernstein and King, you might understand why thing went down the way they did. The offensive emails are the tip of the iceberg. I have long stated that I think RL has made some huge mistakes along the way and think he has more than his share of the blame in this horror story. How can he not? But there are two sides to every story and that is certainly the case in this latest episode; in this particular instance, I think Randy showed a great amount of restraint, believe it or not, prior to the firings resignations, and an equal share in the last day or so after these two showed their class by airing it all to the press. How some here on the boards can not read the tea leaves and see just what sort of men these two are for behaving in this disgraceful manner is beyond me. I suppose there is so much hatred of RL that they cannot see clearly, and I get that even if I think it is only partially fair, but if airing dirty laundry in the press does not say something to you about the egos of these two "men," I am not sure what to say.This narrative that my father up and left when the going got tough is unfair as well - no surprise I would say that - the timing looked bad, but the reality is that he became the president of a college that was about to be shuttered and was close to $100 million in the hole. His remit was to stop the dam from bursting in a year and then get the college on firmer footing over the next two all while an accreditation group was standing at the executioner's block. He tirelessly traveled and spoke to all who would listen so as to raise money and get the college solvent. To say this took all of his time is not an understatement and this is why he left, plain and simple. It was certainly not because he was cowardly or felt shame in some way, which is a pathetic suggestion. Also, he has never been and will never be involved in football operations, so for those who think his presence on the board is somehow negatively affecting football decisions, this is not a role he fills, and rightly so.I am not really going to say more about this, but I thought some of the comments towards him were unnecessary and I would simply say that the boardroom issues are more thorny than some have suggested, though others have been fairly close to the truth, but not nearly cynical enough about the actions of the two former board members. Appreciate you posting Pelty. My view is that the two men probably did what they did in order to put the focus on Randy and make him realise that it is time for him to to do the honourable thing as custodian of Aston Villa, that is, it is time to pass the Club on. All the better if he passes the Club on to people with the aptitude, skills and ambition to get the Club where it should rightfully be - challenging at the very top of the game.Randy's ten years at the Club have been a disaster in every sense. We don't need to go into it, we all know it. The Club is rotten to the core and the two men (figures who command an awful lot of respect in the worlds of football and finance) simply wished to fix it at best or highlight it at worst. If Randy remains at the Club, calling the shots, making the appointments, holding the purse strings, Aston Villa will tank further. Please get that message across to him: HE is destroying the Club. Indeed he has made it not just a UK laughing stock but an international laughing stock too. I'm sure he is the nicest and most well-intentioned of gentleman but clearly the realm of sports ownership is not for him. Randy now has the chance to leave this Club with his head held high so long he communicates his intentions clearly to the fanbase and then sells us on to genuine people with the the expertise, plan and ambition to rebuild Aston Villa on every level. When King resigned I think his intention was to let the fanbase know this and his interview on Bloomberg yesterday clarified this further. By giving us this information King did the fanbase a great service because Randy has kept us all in the dark for far too long now. It is now up to Randy. If he sells us on to charlatans like Haslam, in a fit of pique, I would not be in the least surprised BUT, going on King's interview yesterday, this is his chance to be remembered with a huge degree of fondness for, clearly, there are decent buyers waiting in the wings. Please pass on the message that, for the good of Aston Villa - and himself - it is time for him to go. The bit I have highlighted. Okay, not very professional if it's what went on but at the same time being as exasperated as I'm sure they were they must have been driven to it. Sometimes the truth hurts and it would appear that RL hasn't ever been given that truth up until now.All fair, and perhaps that was indeed King's intent, but I think we differ on whether or not K&B acted appropriately. I do not have contact with Randy, so I will not be able to pass on any ideas, wishes, etc. Like everyone else here, I think he has made mistakes that have brought us to where we are, but I also am aware that many individuals - starting with the lumps on the pitch - contributed to the failure of the sort experienced this year and in the past five years. 50+ million pounds were available to be spent and look at how it was invested? I do not blame the owner; you might. I think he tried to put people in place who had footballing knowledge and they did not buy well. Does he bear some responsibility for that? Of course, but he was trying to put people in place who had skills of the sort which he does not possess in the area of scouting and they let him down. If you are determined to blame him for that, have at it. I cannot change your mind...
Quote from: Billy Walker on April 21, 2016, 10:32:30 AMQuote from: pelty on April 21, 2016, 02:29:05 AMIf you knew the entire story, and the actions of Bernstein and King, you might understand why thing went down the way they did. The offensive emails are the tip of the iceberg. I have long stated that I think RL has made some huge mistakes along the way and think he has more than his share of the blame in this horror story. How can he not? But there are two sides to every story and that is certainly the case in this latest episode; in this particular instance, I think Randy showed a great amount of restraint, believe it or not, prior to the firings resignations, and an equal share in the last day or so after these two showed their class by airing it all to the press. How some here on the boards can not read the tea leaves and see just what sort of men these two are for behaving in this disgraceful manner is beyond me. I suppose there is so much hatred of RL that they cannot see clearly, and I get that even if I think it is only partially fair, but if airing dirty laundry in the press does not say something to you about the egos of these two "men," I am not sure what to say.This narrative that my father up and left when the going got tough is unfair as well - no surprise I would say that - the timing looked bad, but the reality is that he became the president of a college that was about to be shuttered and was close to $100 million in the hole. His remit was to stop the dam from bursting in a year and then get the college on firmer footing over the next two all while an accreditation group was standing at the executioner's block. He tirelessly traveled and spoke to all who would listen so as to raise money and get the college solvent. To say this took all of his time is not an understatement and this is why he left, plain and simple. It was certainly not because he was cowardly or felt shame in some way, which is a pathetic suggestion. Also, he has never been and will never be involved in football operations, so for those who think his presence on the board is somehow negatively affecting football decisions, this is not a role he fills, and rightly so.I am not really going to say more about this, but I thought some of the comments towards him were unnecessary and I would simply say that the boardroom issues are more thorny than some have suggested, though others have been fairly close to the truth, but not nearly cynical enough about the actions of the two former board members. Appreciate you posting Pelty. My view is that the two men probably did what they did in order to put the focus on Randy and make him realise that it is time for him to to do the honourable thing as custodian of Aston Villa, that is, it is time to pass the Club on. All the better if he passes the Club on to people with the aptitude, skills and ambition to get the Club where it should rightfully be - challenging at the very top of the game.Randy's ten years at the Club have been a disaster in every sense. We don't need to go into it, we all know it. The Club is rotten to the core and the two men (figures who command an awful lot of respect in the worlds of football and finance) simply wished to fix it at best or highlight it at worst. If Randy remains at the Club, calling the shots, making the appointments, holding the purse strings, Aston Villa will tank further. Please get that message across to him: HE is destroying the Club. Indeed he has made it not just a UK laughing stock but an international laughing stock too. I'm sure he is the nicest and most well-intentioned of gentleman but clearly the realm of sports ownership is not for him. Randy now has the chance to leave this Club with his head held high so long he communicates his intentions clearly to the fanbase and then sells us on to genuine people with the the expertise, plan and ambition to rebuild Aston Villa on every level. When King resigned I think his intention was to let the fanbase know this and his interview on Bloomberg yesterday clarified this further. By giving us this information King did the fanbase a great service because Randy has kept us all in the dark for far too long now. It is now up to Randy. If he sells us on to charlatans like Haslam, in a fit of pique, I would not be in the least surprised BUT, going on King's interview yesterday, this is his chance to be remembered with a huge degree of fondness for, clearly, there are decent buyers waiting in the wings. Please pass on the message that, for the good of Aston Villa - and himself - it is time for him to go. The bit I have highlighted. Okay, not very professional if it's what went on but at the same time being as exasperated as I'm sure they were they must have been driven to it. Sometimes the truth hurts and it would appear that RL hasn't ever been given that truth up until now.
Quote from: pelty on April 21, 2016, 02:29:05 AMIf you knew the entire story, and the actions of Bernstein and King, you might understand why thing went down the way they did. The offensive emails are the tip of the iceberg. I have long stated that I think RL has made some huge mistakes along the way and think he has more than his share of the blame in this horror story. How can he not? But there are two sides to every story and that is certainly the case in this latest episode; in this particular instance, I think Randy showed a great amount of restraint, believe it or not, prior to the firings resignations, and an equal share in the last day or so after these two showed their class by airing it all to the press. How some here on the boards can not read the tea leaves and see just what sort of men these two are for behaving in this disgraceful manner is beyond me. I suppose there is so much hatred of RL that they cannot see clearly, and I get that even if I think it is only partially fair, but if airing dirty laundry in the press does not say something to you about the egos of these two "men," I am not sure what to say.This narrative that my father up and left when the going got tough is unfair as well - no surprise I would say that - the timing looked bad, but the reality is that he became the president of a college that was about to be shuttered and was close to $100 million in the hole. His remit was to stop the dam from bursting in a year and then get the college on firmer footing over the next two all while an accreditation group was standing at the executioner's block. He tirelessly traveled and spoke to all who would listen so as to raise money and get the college solvent. To say this took all of his time is not an understatement and this is why he left, plain and simple. It was certainly not because he was cowardly or felt shame in some way, which is a pathetic suggestion. Also, he has never been and will never be involved in football operations, so for those who think his presence on the board is somehow negatively affecting football decisions, this is not a role he fills, and rightly so.I am not really going to say more about this, but I thought some of the comments towards him were unnecessary and I would simply say that the boardroom issues are more thorny than some have suggested, though others have been fairly close to the truth, but not nearly cynical enough about the actions of the two former board members. Appreciate you posting Pelty. My view is that the two men probably did what they did in order to put the focus on Randy and make him realise that it is time for him to to do the honourable thing as custodian of Aston Villa, that is, it is time to pass the Club on. All the better if he passes the Club on to people with the aptitude, skills and ambition to get the Club where it should rightfully be - challenging at the very top of the game.Randy's ten years at the Club have been a disaster in every sense. We don't need to go into it, we all know it. The Club is rotten to the core and the two men (figures who command an awful lot of respect in the worlds of football and finance) simply wished to fix it at best or highlight it at worst. If Randy remains at the Club, calling the shots, making the appointments, holding the purse strings, Aston Villa will tank further. Please get that message across to him: HE is destroying the Club. Indeed he has made it not just a UK laughing stock but an international laughing stock too. I'm sure he is the nicest and most well-intentioned of gentleman but clearly the realm of sports ownership is not for him. Randy now has the chance to leave this Club with his head held high so long he communicates his intentions clearly to the fanbase and then sells us on to genuine people with the the expertise, plan and ambition to rebuild Aston Villa on every level. When King resigned I think his intention was to let the fanbase know this and his interview on Bloomberg yesterday clarified this further. By giving us this information King did the fanbase a great service because Randy has kept us all in the dark for far too long now. It is now up to Randy. If he sells us on to charlatans like Haslam, in a fit of pique, I would not be in the least surprised BUT, going on King's interview yesterday, this is his chance to be remembered with a huge degree of fondness for, clearly, there are decent buyers waiting in the wings. Please pass on the message that, for the good of Aston Villa - and himself - it is time for him to go.
If you knew the entire story, and the actions of Bernstein and King, you might understand why thing went down the way they did. The offensive emails are the tip of the iceberg. I have long stated that I think RL has made some huge mistakes along the way and think he has more than his share of the blame in this horror story. How can he not? But there are two sides to every story and that is certainly the case in this latest episode; in this particular instance, I think Randy showed a great amount of restraint, believe it or not, prior to the firings resignations, and an equal share in the last day or so after these two showed their class by airing it all to the press. How some here on the boards can not read the tea leaves and see just what sort of men these two are for behaving in this disgraceful manner is beyond me. I suppose there is so much hatred of RL that they cannot see clearly, and I get that even if I think it is only partially fair, but if airing dirty laundry in the press does not say something to you about the egos of these two "men," I am not sure what to say.This narrative that my father up and left when the going got tough is unfair as well - no surprise I would say that - the timing looked bad, but the reality is that he became the president of a college that was about to be shuttered and was close to $100 million in the hole. His remit was to stop the dam from bursting in a year and then get the college on firmer footing over the next two all while an accreditation group was standing at the executioner's block. He tirelessly traveled and spoke to all who would listen so as to raise money and get the college solvent. To say this took all of his time is not an understatement and this is why he left, plain and simple. It was certainly not because he was cowardly or felt shame in some way, which is a pathetic suggestion. Also, he has never been and will never be involved in football operations, so for those who think his presence on the board is somehow negatively affecting football decisions, this is not a role he fills, and rightly so.I am not really going to say more about this, but I thought some of the comments towards him were unnecessary and I would simply say that the boardroom issues are more thorny than some have suggested, though others have been fairly close to the truth, but not nearly cynical enough about the actions of the two former board members.
What a superb post from 1 Pablo. But does anyone actually know for sure if "pelty" isn't just an Internet troll?
Quote from: Risso on April 21, 2016, 12:57:36 PMQuote from: peter w on April 21, 2016, 12:49:55 PMI must say I find it quite remarkable that it's King and Bernstein who are acting unprofessionally rather than a board member that tells all to his son who uses the information on a public forum.Indeed Peter. A director of the club has clearly been talking about internal company matters with a family member, and that family member is now making the information public. I don't know if there will be any legal fall out from King and Bernstein's resignations, but this will hardly help the club's position if there is.Of course Pelty as a poster is free to post what he likes, but I have to say that it is ill-advised, as it's not just his personal opinion being posted. The media is also on the look out for any further dirt to embarrass us with.Actually, it is all my opinion. I have stated that there is more to it than the press suggests... this is my opinion and my opinion alone. Others might think differently, including the board. I have not had exposure to the full details by any means, but the little I do know simply suggests that there is more to the story... but this is all my opinion and no one else's.
Quote from: peter w on April 21, 2016, 12:49:55 PMI must say I find it quite remarkable that it's King and Bernstein who are acting unprofessionally rather than a board member that tells all to his son who uses the information on a public forum.Indeed Peter. A director of the club has clearly been talking about internal company matters with a family member, and that family member is now making the information public. I don't know if there will be any legal fall out from King and Bernstein's resignations, but this will hardly help the club's position if there is.Of course Pelty as a poster is free to post what he likes, but I have to say that it is ill-advised, as it's not just his personal opinion being posted. The media is also on the look out for any further dirt to embarrass us with.
I must say I find it quite remarkable that it's King and Bernstein who are acting unprofessionally rather than a board member that tells all to his son who uses the information on a public forum.
Quote from: bob on April 21, 2016, 01:01:18 PMQuote from: pelty on April 21, 2016, 01:00:32 PMQuote from: Risso on April 21, 2016, 12:57:36 PMQuote from: peter w on April 21, 2016, 12:49:55 PMI must say I find it quite remarkable that it's King and Bernstein who are acting unprofessionally rather than a board member that tells all to his son who uses the information on a public forum.Indeed Peter. A director of the club has clearly been talking about internal company matters with a family member, and that family member is now making the information public. I don't know if there will be any legal fall out from King and Bernstein's resignations, but this will hardly help the club's position if there is.Of course Pelty as a poster is free to post what he likes, but I have to say that it is ill-advised, as it's not just his personal opinion being posted. The media is also on the look out for any further dirt to embarrass us with.Actually, it is all my opinion. I have stated that there is more to it than the press suggests... this is my opinion and my opinion alone. Others might think differently, including the board. I have not had exposure to the full details by any means, but the little I do know simply suggests that there is more to the story... but this is all my opinion and no one else's.Your say sounds like a load of bullshit to me.OK, appreciate your opinion.Clearly, there is no room for conversation here, so I will return to lurker status and will try to say no more. I apologize for saying what I have; my intent was not to enflame, to act the toady, or anything of that nature, but merely to state an opinion that there is more to the story.As for my *opinion* of King and Bernstein, it could not possibly be lower and I do not give a damn about what they have accomplished. I respect it, but it is in the past and their present actions do not impress me. This, too, is my opinion...Have a good day all...
Quote from: pelty on April 21, 2016, 01:00:32 PMQuote from: Risso on April 21, 2016, 12:57:36 PMQuote from: peter w on April 21, 2016, 12:49:55 PMI must say I find it quite remarkable that it's King and Bernstein who are acting unprofessionally rather than a board member that tells all to his son who uses the information on a public forum.Indeed Peter. A director of the club has clearly been talking about internal company matters with a family member, and that family member is now making the information public. I don't know if there will be any legal fall out from King and Bernstein's resignations, but this will hardly help the club's position if there is.Of course Pelty as a poster is free to post what he likes, but I have to say that it is ill-advised, as it's not just his personal opinion being posted. The media is also on the look out for any further dirt to embarrass us with.Actually, it is all my opinion. I have stated that there is more to it than the press suggests... this is my opinion and my opinion alone. Others might think differently, including the board. I have not had exposure to the full details by any means, but the little I do know simply suggests that there is more to the story... but this is all my opinion and no one else's.Your say sounds like a load of bullshit to me.
Quote from: The Edge on April 21, 2016, 01:17:05 PMWhat a superb post from 1 Pablo. But does anyone actually know for sure if "pelty" isn't just an Internet troll? It has been established a long time ago in these parts who Pelty is.
Quote from: Chris Harte on April 21, 2016, 01:20:45 PMQuote from: The Edge on April 21, 2016, 01:17:05 PMWhat a superb post from 1 Pablo. But does anyone actually know for sure if "pelty" isn't just an Internet troll? It has been established a long time ago in these parts who Pelty is.Well I haven't been around "these parts" as long as some.Any chance someone could fill in the blanks for me?
Quote from: The Edge on April 21, 2016, 01:24:45 PMQuote from: Chris Harte on April 21, 2016, 01:20:45 PMQuote from: The Edge on April 21, 2016, 01:17:05 PMWhat a superb post from 1 Pablo. But does anyone actually know for sure if "pelty" isn't just an Internet troll? It has been established a long time ago in these parts who Pelty is.Well I haven't been around "these parts" as long as some.Any chance someone could fill in the blanks for me? Apologies. He's the son of General Charles Krulak, Randy Lerner's confidant.
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