If you knew the entire story, and the actions of Bernstein and King, you might understand why thing went down the way they did. The offensive emails are the tip of the iceberg. I have long stated that I think RL has made some huge mistakes along the way and think he has more than his share of the blame in this horror story. How can he not? But there are two sides to every story and that is certainly the case in this latest episode; in this particular instance, I think Randy showed a great amount of restraint, believe it or not, prior to the firings resignations, and an equal share in the last day or so after these two showed their class by airing it all to the press. How some here on the boards can not read the tea leaves and see just what sort of men these two are for behaving in this disgraceful manner is beyond me. I suppose there is so much hatred of RL that they cannot see clearly, and I get that even if I think it is only partially fair, but if airing dirty laundry in the press does not say something to you about the egos of these two "men," I am not sure what to say.This narrative that my father up and left when the going got tough is unfair as well - no surprise I would say that - the timing looked bad, but the reality is that he became the president of a college that was about to be shuttered and was close to $100 million in the hole. His remit was to stop the dam from bursting in a year and then get the college on firmer footing over the next two all while an accreditation group was standing at the executioner's block. He tirelessly traveled and spoke to all who would listen so as to raise money and get the college solvent. To say this took all of his time is not an understatement and this is why he left, plain and simple. It was certainly not because he was cowardly or felt shame in some way, which is a pathetic suggestion. Also, he has never been and will never be involved in football operations, so for those who think his presence on the board is somehow negatively affecting football decisions, this is not a role he fills, and rightly so.I am not really going to say more about this, but I thought some of the comments towards him were unnecessary and I would simply say that the boardroom issues are more thorny than some have suggested, though others have been fairly close to the truth, but not nearly cynical enough about the actions of the two former board members.
It’s not us who is failing to see clearly. It's not Randy who is showing a great deal of restraint. It's not Randy who is showing any signs of "class". It's not Randy who is humiliated, embarrassed, outraged, hurt, despondent, and has the emotional torment of seeing us turned into a laughing stock. That's us. The fans. The real fans. The fans who care about this club. The fans that will be here long after Lerner, and you, have gone. The fans, like King, who actually care about this club and restoring it to its rightful place. The fans who have been held in such contempt for years now. The fans who have little truck with nonsensical responses that are designed for us to side with the person who is killing our club against the 2 are trying to save it. The fans who want Lerner out. You may say that we don't know how or what Lerner and his associates really feel, well we watch every Saturday and that's enough. Go now. The lot of you.
Quote from: villadelph on April 21, 2016, 03:33:20 AMwho's your father?His dad is General Krulak.
who's your father?
Quote from: peter w on April 21, 2016, 09:36:06 AMIt’s not us who is failing to see clearly. It's not Randy who is showing a great deal of restraint. It's not Randy who is showing any signs of "class". It's not Randy who is humiliated, embarrassed, outraged, hurt, despondent, and has the emotional torment of seeing us turned into a laughing stock. That's us. The fans. The real fans. The fans who care about this club. The fans that will be here long after Lerner, and you, have gone. The fans, like King, who actually care about this club and restoring it to its rightful place. The fans who have been held in such contempt for years now. The fans who have little truck with nonsensical responses that are designed for us to side with the person who is killing our club against the 2 are trying to save it. The fans who want Lerner out. You may say that we don't know how or what Lerner and his associates really feel, well we watch every Saturday and that's enough. Go now. The lot of you.TESTIFY!Beautifully put Peter.
Quote from: peter w on April 21, 2016, 09:36:06 AMI think everyone is more than aware that there are two sides to the story. I am also in full agreement that it does look a bit odd shall I say that letters have been leaked and then King goes on Bloomberg (?) publicly calling for the sale to go through quickly whilst both men have now firmly pointed the finger at Lerner.I don't think they have acted professionally at all.But...name one journalist over here that has not highlighted Randy Lerner as being the problem at Villa. There is a big big problem behind the scenes that has manifested itself into a shambolic club with no sense of direction of one hopeless appointment after another. It appears from stories on the web, and from posters here from the US, that Lerner's tenure of the Cleveland Browns was very similar. At last it seemed that Lerner was going to take a back step and the appointed Chairman and the newly formed football board would have free reign in putting the thing that we care about the most, the football side, right. We expect that stuff that we don't see to be managed correctly, efficiently, and with due care. It appeared that the appointments of Bernstein, King, Little, and Bevington was an amazing coup for the club and saw us finally grasping what was needed. These people are leaders in their own areas of expertise and have more business acumen dripping from them in terms of how to either build the foundations of a football club, how to make it successful, how to broadly move it to a level where it is flourishing and producing on relative terms, and how to link the club with different areas of the finance or business sector to encourage more partnerships for the club's benefit.And Pelty seems fit to denigrate their stature as "These two men" without seemingly realising that "these two men" were doing one thing and one thing alone. The very best for Aston Villa. Is Lerner doing that? No, he is protecting his wealth (and you could argue rightly so). Is Krulak doing that? No, he is protecting Lerner and doing his bidding. No, we don't know what has gone on and how Bernstein & King have behaved. But considering what Lerner has done to us short of grabbing Lerner by the throat whilst pulling a knife on him whilst the other beats up his wife and kids, there is going to be very very little support here for Lerner if two beastly men have identified him as being the problem.Pelty, your argument is like the owner of the Big Top being annoyed at the acrobat who is complaining that he won't supply a net to stop him falling to his death . The cancer here is not Bernstein & King. It's Lerner. if anyone is behaving in a disgraceful manner it's not the people who genuinely care for Aston villa, it's those that don't. Neither you, Krulak, nor Lerner do. We were tricked when you rode into town hooting and a-hollering shooting from the hip with your yee-ha's but it turned out to be smoke and mirrors.It’s not us who is failing to see clearly. It's not Randy who is showing a great deal of restraint. It's not Randy who is showing any signs of "class". It's not Randy who is humiliated, embarrassed, outraged, hurt, despondent, and has the emotional torment of seeing us turned into a laughing stock. That's us. The fans. The real fans. The fans who care about this club. The fans that will be here long after Lerner, and you, have gone. The fans, like King, who actually care about this club and restoring it to its rightful place. The fans who have been held in such contempt for years now. The fans who have little truck with nonsensical responses that are designed for us to side with the person who is killing our club against the 2 are trying to save it. The fans who want Lerner out. You may say that we don't know how or what Lerner and his associates really feel, well we watch every Saturday and that's enough. Go now. The lot of you. **Applause**
I think everyone is more than aware that there are two sides to the story. I am also in full agreement that it does look a bit odd shall I say that letters have been leaked and then King goes on Bloomberg (?) publicly calling for the sale to go through quickly whilst both men have now firmly pointed the finger at Lerner.I don't think they have acted professionally at all.But...name one journalist over here that has not highlighted Randy Lerner as being the problem at Villa. There is a big big problem behind the scenes that has manifested itself into a shambolic club with no sense of direction of one hopeless appointment after another. It appears from stories on the web, and from posters here from the US, that Lerner's tenure of the Cleveland Browns was very similar. At last it seemed that Lerner was going to take a back step and the appointed Chairman and the newly formed football board would have free reign in putting the thing that we care about the most, the football side, right. We expect that stuff that we don't see to be managed correctly, efficiently, and with due care. It appeared that the appointments of Bernstein, King, Little, and Bevington was an amazing coup for the club and saw us finally grasping what was needed. These people are leaders in their own areas of expertise and have more business acumen dripping from them in terms of how to either build the foundations of a football club, how to make it successful, how to broadly move it to a level where it is flourishing and producing on relative terms, and how to link the club with different areas of the finance or business sector to encourage more partnerships for the club's benefit.And Pelty seems fit to denigrate their stature as "These two men" without seemingly realising that "these two men" were doing one thing and one thing alone. The very best for Aston Villa. Is Lerner doing that? No, he is protecting his wealth (and you could argue rightly so). Is Krulak doing that? No, he is protecting Lerner and doing his bidding. No, we don't know what has gone on and how Bernstein & King have behaved. But considering what Lerner has done to us short of grabbing Lerner by the throat whilst pulling a knife on him whilst the other beats up his wife and kids, there is going to be very very little support here for Lerner if two beastly men have identified him as being the problem.Pelty, your argument is like the owner of the Big Top being annoyed at the acrobat who is complaining that he won't supply a net to stop him falling to his death . The cancer here is not Bernstein & King. It's Lerner. if anyone is behaving in a disgraceful manner it's not the people who genuinely care for Aston villa, it's those that don't. Neither you, Krulak, nor Lerner do. We were tricked when you rode into town hooting and a-hollering shooting from the hip with your yee-ha's but it turned out to be smoke and mirrors.It’s not us who is failing to see clearly. It's not Randy who is showing a great deal of restraint. It's not Randy who is showing any signs of "class". It's not Randy who is humiliated, embarrassed, outraged, hurt, despondent, and has the emotional torment of seeing us turned into a laughing stock. That's us. The fans. The real fans. The fans who care about this club. The fans that will be here long after Lerner, and you, have gone. The fans, like King, who actually care about this club and restoring it to its rightful place. The fans who have been held in such contempt for years now. The fans who have little truck with nonsensical responses that are designed for us to side with the person who is killing our club against the 2 are trying to save it. The fans who want Lerner out. You may say that we don't know how or what Lerner and his associates really feel, well we watch every Saturday and that's enough. Go now. The lot of you.
You may say that we don't know how or what Lerner and his associates really feel, well we watch every Saturday and that's enough. Go now. The lot of you.
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