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Offline themossman

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #2295 on: February 02, 2016, 09:16:53 AM »
As (I think) Dave said a while ago, Randy era villa is about the clearest example of Hanlon's razor you'll ever see. There are so many examples of his idiocy and bad decision making that you simply don't need all the fanciful theories about scheming and malice popping up on here  to explain our downfall.

Offline Irish villain

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #2296 on: February 02, 2016, 09:58:31 AM »


As fans, we seem to be being fed a stream of PR spin to cover up what is actually going on.  This has today resulted in a massive gap being created between the supporters and the club.  Can that gap be bridged?  I very much doubt it unless some straight honest talking is carried out.

I thought I would not see the dark depressing days of DOL and HDE again but we are here again and worse.  These are unprecedented times that the club are facing and serious questions need to be asked and answered.

As time goes by I am increasingly uncomfortable with the way the club's version of what happened with MON became the accepted narrative.

So many clubs outspend and out-compete with villa these days. DO we not share the same TV riches as they do? A few years ago we used to say 'going down would be a disaster, think of the TV money next year'. Then the following year we would spend, net £10m on freebies and bargain basement.

I do not like what has been unfolding before our eyes and the way people have accepted the club's version every time.

Offline Eckybloke

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #2297 on: February 02, 2016, 10:02:18 AM »
A special message for Lerner, Hollis and Fox:



Fuck you; fuck you and the horses you rode in on, you set of useless, spineless, brainless, talentless, incompetent fucks.

The situation isn't funny but this cracks me up.

Offline Chris Harte

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #2298 on: February 02, 2016, 10:10:38 AM »
It had to happen. See if you can see it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Lerner

Offline stuart445

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #2299 on: February 02, 2016, 10:13:27 AM »
As stated earlier, I do not see this as being done in any sense of spite by Lerner, it is due to his total incompetence, this is plain to see with the people he puts into positions, but what I can't get my head around is Fox and Arsestadt came from a very well run club, Arsenal, so must have some idea as to the foundations of running a department, division, whatever they are responsible for in a professional way. Hollis to early to say, Reilly worries me as his buys at Liverpool were not a great success.

So I keep coming back to the same conclusion, Randy likes to employ people who will lie for him and face the day to day abuse, as stated earlier Dave Woodhall and not with hypocrisy but with hindsight, the General was the first of these cronies, Faulkner for certain another, now we have Fox and Hollis. My concern is these idiots are telling Randy what they are telling us, but Randy believes them and that he will hold on to the club until it turns the corner on this bit of inconvenience we are suffering at the moment.
God help us.

Fox and Almstadt have come from a well run club so yes they must have knowledge of what's needed. But implementing that here is very dependant on the mess they've had to clear up from faulkner. I think it's fair to say that faulkner wasn't good at his job so must have left in in a right state.

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #2300 on: February 02, 2016, 10:16:03 AM »


As fans, we seem to be being fed a stream of PR spin to cover up what is actually going on.  This has today resulted in a massive gap being created between the supporters and the club.  Can that gap be bridged?  I very much doubt it unless some straight honest talking is carried out.

I thought I would not see the dark depressing days of DOL and HDE again but we are here again and worse.  These are unprecedented times that the club are facing and serious questions need to be asked and answered.

As time goes by I am increasingly uncomfortable with the way the club's version of what happened with MON became the accepted narrative.

So many clubs outspend and out-compete with villa these days. DO we not share the same TV riches as they do? A few years ago we used to say 'going down would be a disaster, think of the TV money next year'. Then the following year we would spend, net £10m on freebies and bargain basement.

I do not like what has been unfolding before our eyes and the way people have accepted the club's version every time.

Hear hear!

Offline django

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #2301 on: February 02, 2016, 10:32:13 AM »
Excuse the long post, wondering where things started to go so wrong, I wanted to see this information all in one place.

When Lerner took over in 05/06 our squad included, Angel, Vassell, Baros, L Moore (joint top scorer with 8 goals) Hendrie, Whittingham, Solano, Davis, Bouma, Cahill, Mellberg, Laursen, Sorenson. We finished 16th, on 42 points, 8 points from safety.

Ive listed the transfers we've made in Lerners era, sorry for reminding you of some of these...I've colour coded them...
 
Red for flops,

Orange for meh, what you'd expect for what we paid standard signings, a bit generous with some of these maybe. eg Enda Stevens 500k signed from shamrock rovers, didnt play but as expected. Agathe and Sutton signed at difficult time didn't feature much, as expected etc.

Green for the undoubted succeses, I'm including Downing here because of what we got for him more than performances.

06/07 Spent £17.15M Net Spend £14.1M Average League Spend £16M
Stilian Petrov
Didier Agathe
Chris Sutton

John Carew
Ashley Young

Shaun Maloney

07/08 Spent £16.25M Net Spend £6.25M Average League Spend £32.25M
Marlon Harewood
Zat Knight
Moustapha Salifou
Wayne Routledge

Nigel Reo-Coker

08/09 Spent £48.4M Net Spend £45.3M Average League Spend £33.5M
Curtis Davis
Steven Sidwell

Brad Friedel
Nicky Shorey
Luke Young
Carlos Cuellar

James Milner
Brad Guzan
Emile Heskey

09/10 Spent £37.5M Net Spend £18.5M Average League Spend £24M
Stewart Downing
Fabian Delph

Habib Beye
Stephen Warnock

James Collins
Richard Dunne


10/11 Spent £32.2M Net Spend £4.7M Average League Spend £29.5M
Stephen Ireland
Darren Bent
Jean Makoun

11/12 Spent £17.25M Net Spend £-22.75M Average League Spend £27.25M
Shay Given
Charles N'Zogbia
Alan Hutton
Enda Stevens


12/13 Spent £25.7M Net Spend £23.7M Average League Spend £30.5M
Brett Holman
Karim El Ahmadi
Matthew Lowton
Brad Guzan
Ron Vlaar
Joseph Bennett
Jordan Bowery
Ashley Westwood

Christian Benteke
Yacouba Sylla

13/14 Spent £18.5M Net Spend £16.5M Average League Spend £38M
Antonio Luna
Nicklas Helenius
Aleksanar Tonev

Leandro Bacuna
Libor Kozak
Jed Steer


14/15 Spent £9.9M Net Spend £8.95M Average League Spend £48.25M
Carlos Sanchez
Phillipe Senderos
Joe Cole
Kieran Richardson

Aly Cissokho
Carles Gil


15/16 Spent £52.5M Net Spend £7.25M Average League Spend £52.25M
Jordan Ayew
Jordan Amavi
Jordan Veretout
Adama Traore
Idrissa Gueye

Rudy Gestede
Scott Sinclair

Joleon Lescott
Jose Crespo
Mark Bunn
Micah Richards


Obviously looking at our spending in the MON era you can see that we spent big money in a couple of windows, but the quality was largely average and when we sold Barry, Young, Milner and Downing we had very little left. Benteke and Delph were the last truly quality players we had and we haven't replaced them. Ever since MON when we have spent big sums it has been in keeping with the average amounts in the league, but while we are in a weak position. This summers spending felt decent at the time, but its the previous couple of seasons which have truly fucked us over.

The writings been on the wall for a long time I think.

Offline fredm

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #2302 on: February 02, 2016, 11:01:28 AM »
Stilian Petrov - meh???

I wish to god we had someone with his ability to look after the team on the field today.

Offline pbavfckuwait

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #2303 on: February 02, 2016, 11:04:01 AM »
That post is very interesting django and also should highlight that if the finances have been mishandled , it is clearly within the contract issuing side more so than actual player fees, plus the payments to managers we have put out of work.

Shows an average net spend of 13.15 million a season over the ten years, gross spend off 27.57 million a season, league average over the same time 33.15 million per season, incoming fees of 14 million a season.
Players in and out of 45 over the ten seasons and only 5 players apart from those brought in August that are still here or on loan.

First five seasons 88.85 million in total net, averaging 17.7 million a season
Last five seasons 42.65 million in total net, averaging 8.53 million a season.

So half the spend in the last 5 years, but interestingly 29 players in first 5 years spending an average 17.7 per season
37 players in the last 5 years spending 8.53 on average per season. Equating to average player cost first 5 years 3.05 million, to the spend on the last 5 years 1.15 million per player.
Buy monkeys but dont feed them peanuts, in Villas case buy monkeys and feed them caviar in the form of their contract.

Offline pbavfckuwait

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #2304 on: February 02, 2016, 11:05:10 AM »
Sorry 66 players in total not 45 as written above.

Offline pbavfckuwait

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #2305 on: February 02, 2016, 11:21:00 AM »
Also if my memory is right out of that above list 27 of them either went for nothing, had contract cancelled or left for a minor nominal fee that did not cover what we had paid for them, that is staggering incompetence in anybody's book.

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #2306 on: February 02, 2016, 11:21:12 AM »
Stilian Petrov - meh???

I wish to god we had someone with his ability to look after the team on the field today.

Agreed. I thought he was a terrific player for us. When he retired we didn't even bother to replace him.

Offline django

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #2307 on: February 02, 2016, 11:25:30 AM »
Stilian Petrov - meh???

I wish to god we had someone with his ability to look after the team on the field today.

Yes me too. He was a good player, no doubt. But he cost £7M I think, was Bulgarian captain and his debut showed glimpses of what he could have been capable of.

He was a tidy, solid player and I was always a fan when a lot of people moaned about his sideways passing, but also for me he did largely what a premier league midfielder costing that kind of money should do, he didn't particularly exceed my expectations.

Besides I think if i'd used a more nuanced colour spectrum I might have come across as even more of a nerd ;)

Offline themossman

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #2308 on: February 02, 2016, 11:29:07 AM »
I would add that in the case of this summer's signings it wouldn't surprise me if 2-3 of them turned out to be green but the preceding era means we have a squad full of clangers.

Offline Ron Manager

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #2309 on: February 02, 2016, 11:37:19 AM »
Excuse the long post, wondering where things started to go so wrong, I wanted to see this information all in one place.

When Lerner took over in 05/06 our squad included, Angel, Vassell, Baros, L Moore (joint top scorer with 8 goals) Hendrie, Whittingham, Solano, Davis, Bouma, Cahill, Mellberg, Laursen, Sorenson. We finished 16th, on 42 points, 8 points from safety.

Ive listed the transfers we've made in Lerners era, sorry for reminding you of some of these...I've colour coded them...
 
Red for flops,

Orange for meh, what you'd expect for what we paid standard signings, a bit generous with some of these maybe. eg Enda Stevens 500k signed from shamrock rovers, didnt play but as expected. Agathe and Sutton signed at difficult time didn't feature much, as expected etc.

Green for the undoubted succeses, I'm including Downing here because of what we got for him more than performances.

06/07 Spent £17.15M Net Spend £14.1M Average League Spend £16M
Stilian Petrov
Didier Agathe
Chris Sutton

John Carew
Ashley Young

Shaun Maloney

07/08 Spent £16.25M Net Spend £6.25M Average League Spend £32.25M
Marlon Harewood
Zat Knight
Moustapha Salifou
Wayne Routledge

Nigel Reo-Coker

08/09 Spent £48.4M Net Spend £45.3M Average League Spend £33.5M
Curtis Davis
Steven Sidwell

Brad Friedel
Nicky Shorey
Luke Young
Carlos Cuellar

James Milner
Brad Guzan
Emile Heskey

09/10 Spent £37.5M Net Spend £18.5M Average League Spend £24M
Stewart Downing
Fabian Delph

Habib Beye
Stephen Warnock

James Collins
Richard Dunne


10/11 Spent £32.2M Net Spend £4.7M Average League Spend £29.5M
Stephen Ireland
Darren Bent
Jean Makoun

11/12 Spent £17.25M Net Spend £-22.75M Average League Spend £27.25M
Shay Given
Charles N'Zogbia
Alan Hutton
Enda Stevens


12/13 Spent £25.7M Net Spend £23.7M Average League Spend £30.5M
Brett Holman
Karim El Ahmadi
Matthew Lowton
Brad Guzan
Ron Vlaar
Joseph Bennett
Jordan Bowery
Ashley Westwood

Christian Benteke
Yacouba Sylla

13/14 Spent £18.5M Net Spend £16.5M Average League Spend £38M
Antonio Luna
Nicklas Helenius
Aleksanar Tonev

Leandro Bacuna
Libor Kozak
Jed Steer


14/15 Spent £9.9M Net Spend £8.95M Average League Spend £48.25M
Carlos Sanchez
Phillipe Senderos
Joe Cole
Kieran Richardson

Aly Cissokho
Carles Gil


15/16 Spent £52.5M Net Spend £7.25M Average League Spend £52.25M
Jordan Ayew
Jordan Amavi
Jordan Veretout
Adama Traore
Idrissa Gueye

Rudy Gestede
Scott Sinclair

Joleon Lescott
Jose Crespo
Mark Bunn
Micah Richards


Obviously looking at our spending in the MON era you can see that we spent big money in a couple of windows, but the quality was largely average and when we sold Barry, Young, Milner and Downing we had very little left. Benteke and Delph were the last truly quality players we had and we haven't replaced them. Ever since MON when we have spent big sums it has been in keeping with the average amounts in the league, but while we are in a weak position. This summers spending felt decent at the time, but its the previous couple of seasons which have truly fucked us over.

The writings been on the wall for a long time I think.

Luke Young was not a flop He performed decently at both right and left back!

 


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