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Offline ChicagoLion

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #1290 on: December 17, 2015, 02:56:13 PM »
Just had a drink with a Cleveland Browns supporter, he described Randy, he just does not care, was not bothered if they won or lost, liked owning the Browns but could not be bothered to get involved in running them, just wanted some one else to do all that, now he is doing what he did to us to Villa.

did you ask him about all of the owners before and after Randy? And how involved is the owner of the Chicago Bears for example? Are maybe you think Randy should be more like Jerry Jones or Arthur Blank and show up on the sidelines during games completely undermining the position of the head coach.
More defence


Answer the question. If your Cleveland Browns supporting mate is so well versed in the operational ability of Randy Lerner he should be able to break down his predecessors and successors to objectively.
This is just silly :-[

Offline Toronto Villa

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #1291 on: December 17, 2015, 02:57:19 PM »
Where have I actually defended Lerner? I am just asking you to put his ownership of the Browns into some context. Which you are avoiding.

Offline PeterWithesShin

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #1292 on: December 17, 2015, 02:59:02 PM »
Maybe he preferred it before the Lerner family appeared when the Browns were moved to Baltimore and there wasn't even a team in Cleveland for a few years in the 90s?

Like TV, rather than defending Lerner just putting the Browns stuff into context.

Online Ger Regan

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #1293 on: December 17, 2015, 02:59:28 PM »
I am not an expert on American football and my mate is not here to ask questions, but my point stands that there is a willingness for some people to rush to Lerners defence by attacking posts that are critical of him.
There's a difference between pointing out things that shouldn't really be relevant when discussing lerner's failings and an actual defence of him.

Offline ChicagoLion

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #1294 on: December 17, 2015, 03:01:29 PM »
Oh right. so Lerners management of the Browns in context wasn't that bad.
I feel much better now,thanks.

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #1295 on: December 17, 2015, 03:03:08 PM »
You have spectacularly missed the point yet again.

Offline saunders_heroes

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #1296 on: December 17, 2015, 04:11:06 PM »
Lerner was shit at the Browns and shit at the Villa. That's about right isn't it?

Offline ChicagoLion

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #1297 on: December 17, 2015, 04:16:16 PM »
Lerner was shit at the Browns and shit at the Villa. That's about right isn't it?
Not according to everybody, I think he is just over tired.

Offline PeterWithesShin

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #1298 on: December 17, 2015, 04:35:03 PM »
I must have missed the posts where anyone was saying he was a success at either. Just pointing out that your Cleveland mate missed out the bits about there being no Cleveland team before the Lerner family, and since Randy sold them they've been last every year.

Offline kippaxvilla2

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #1299 on: December 17, 2015, 05:10:12 PM »
Where have I actually defended Lerner? I am just asking you to put his ownership of the Browns into some context. Which you are avoiding.

So Lerner isn't a very good owner and neither are any of his successor(s), which means he can't even sell to the right people either?  Have Cleveland ever been successful anyway?  They strike me as the perennial Small Heath of the NFL.

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #1300 on: December 17, 2015, 11:41:35 PM »
If Randy had any business nous and a feel for product synergy he would have moved his NFL franchise to Newcastle.

Offline stuart445

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #1301 on: December 18, 2015, 12:09:40 AM »
I must have missed the posts where anyone was saying he was a success at either. Just pointing out that your Cleveland mate missed out the bits about there being no Cleveland team before the Lerner family, and since Randy sold them they've been last every year.

Cleveland Browns were always last when Lerner owned them, so in truth there has been no change since Lerner sold Cleveland Browns

Offline peter w

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #1302 on: December 18, 2015, 12:12:59 AM »
Maybe he preferred it before the Lerner family appeared when the Browns were moved to Baltimore and there wasn't even a team in Cleveland for a few years in the 90s?

Like TV, rather than defending Lerner just putting the Browns stuff into context.

Surely these are two different things. If we were moved out of Aston, never mind Birmingham, it would be bad enough, and I would be eternally grateful fir returning us to our home. However, that does not mean that the owner should be allowed to stop there, or absolve him from any blame if he then runs the club so poorly his tenure is directly responsible for relegation.

I'm sure the people of Cleveland are glad to have a team again. But I'm also sure their happiness stops there if they are being run as badly as it sounds.

Offline PeterWithesShin

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #1303 on: December 18, 2015, 12:15:49 AM »
Apart of course from the seasons they weren't last.

Offline peter w

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Re: Randy Lerner
« Reply #1304 on: December 18, 2015, 12:23:41 AM »
Well not really because there are many a tale of Cleveland fans not being happy with the way things are being run. In a 5 team division (if that's what it is) you'd think there'd be more chance of making more of the odd fist of getting into their play-offs. i have absolutely no idea of their record over the last (whatever) 5-10 years but you hardly ever here their name.

 


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