Randy Lerner

[Clampy]

It wasn't so much a change of heart, rather than taking the piss by coming out with all that 'i'm loyal' bollocks'.

As for the fee, it was low but bearing in mind he was out of contract in the summer anyway, he could have walked away for nothing. We did the right thing in the circumstances if that's what Delph was insisting on, which judging by the size of the clause, he must have.

So rather than letting him get to within six months of the end of his deal, why not act sooner?

Maybe they were talking and he wanted to wait, who knows? Besides, he didn't hang around once another club came in did he?

Well, actually, he did for a week.

What a show of 'loyalty' that was.

[PeterWithesShin]

Probably the same reason Ellis let Bosnich and Staunton run their contracts down as examples, it happens.

It's nothing to do with Ellis. We're taking about the here and now and how our once great club has got into the pile of shit it finds itself.

BINGO!

I thought drawing comparisons was only natural?

[Chris Harte]

Probably the same reason Ellis let Bosnich and Staunton run their contracts down as examples, it happens.

It's nothing to do with Ellis. We're taking about the here and now and how our once great club has got into the pile of shit it finds itself.

But you were ok comparing the Ellis years with Lerner's not only a few days ago?

As I explained earlier, I waded in when I saw a thread entitled "Randy Lerner" full of stuff about how Ellis was being talked of as the devil incarnate. I felt some of the comments were out of line and so I said so.

[Chris Harte]

Probably the same reason Ellis let Bosnich and Staunton run their contracts down as examples, it happens.

It's nothing to do with Ellis. We're taking about the here and now and how our once great club has got into the pile of shit it finds itself.

BINGO!

I thought drawing comparisons was only natural?

Oh, I see you want to quote me out of context to score points. Grow up.

The fact is the one person responsible for our club being in this mess ultimately is Randolph Lerner.

[tomd2103]

...and it's no coincidence that we haven't won Eurovision since Lerner showed up either. Clearly he is the Anti-Christ and the root of all evil.

For what it is worth, I think he was fully engaged in the early years and it was only the economic downturn and more particularly his divorce that changed his position. Now, he's chosen to be very remote and disconnected, which is not a problem if he had employed the right people and empowered them to make the necessary decisions in his absence. I get the feeling he still wants the final say on everything Villa, which is not smart when he is not involved on a day-to-day basis. He seems like a decent chap, but not the top business person we were expecting, and to be fair, we were warned by the long-suffering Browns fans.

Yep.  The fact that the other sports team he owned followed a very similar pattern speaks volumes really.

[PeterWithesShin]

So either comparisons can be made, or they can't.

I came on to a thread about Randy Lerner to see people laying into Ellis. I felt it was over the top and so said so although drawing comparisons is natural, I suppose.

Although my actual point is clubs everywhere let a players contract wind down for a variety of reasons, it happens. Last summer the club were also getting slaughtered for letting Vlaar get to a final year, some you win, some you lose.

[LTA]

Probably the same reason Ellis let Bosnich and Staunton run their contracts down as examples, it happens.

It's nothing to do with Ellis. We're taking about the here and now and how our once great club has got into the pile of shit it finds itself.

But you were ok comparing the Ellis years with Lerner's not only a few days ago?

As I explained earlier, I waded in when I saw a thread entitled "Randy Lerner" full of stuff about how Ellis was being talked of as the devil incarnate. I felt some of the comments were out of line and so I said so.

If this situation was happening under Ellis, fans would have been calling for him to be hung, drawn and quartered.  Yet Lerner continues to get an easy ride.  I couldn't care less if Lerners a nice man, he's spent the last 5 years sabotaging one of England's biggest clubs and continues to be allowed to get away with it.

[Clampy]

You can't make a player sign a contract if he doesn't want to. Can you imagine the outcry on here if he'd have walked out the door for nothing?

[Chris Harte]

So either comparisons can be made, or they can't.

I came on to a thread about Randy Lerner to see people laying into Ellis. I felt it was over the top and so said so although drawing comparisons is natural, I suppose.

Although my actual point is clubs everywhere let a players contract wind down for a variety of reasons, it happens. Last summer the club were also getting slaughtered for letting Vlaar get to a final year, some you win, some you lose.

Well you quoted me from this afternoon, so an apparent attempt to antagonise or distract from the matter at hand. Anyway, as I remember it with Vlaar people were glad to see the back of him because he'd become a liability. But maybe we move in different circles.

Now feel free to add your own Lerner balls-ups.

[Chris Harte]

If this situation was happening under Ellis, fans would have been calling for him to be hung, drawn and quartered.  Yet Lerner continues to get an easy ride.  I couldn't care less if Lerners a nice man, he's spent the last 5 years sabotaging one of England's biggest clubs and continues to be allowed to get away with it.

Exacta-fucking-mundo.

Thankyou LTA for summing this up far better than I have.

[Dave]

He should be given a medal for not allowing Sherwood to buy a bunch of expensive PL guff.

Oh I don't know, I wouldn't mind a few extra players in the squad who know what they're doing in the Premier League.

What like Townsend at £14m and Adebayor at £200k a week. Maybe he could have just tried harder to integrate the players he was given.

Sí. Porque es tan facile hablar con seis frances y un español cuando ellos no bastante hablar la idioma.

Sarcasm mode firmly on.

You must be wondering what sort of witchcraft Leicester are using which means that they were able to sign Swiss, Japanese, Senegalese, Tunisian and Austrian players and yet be able to use them competently.

They didn't even need to sign Emmanuel Adebayor or Andros Townsend and are still managing to cope.

[saunders_heroes]

Probably the same reason Ellis let Bosnich and Staunton run their contracts down as examples, it happens.

It's nothing to do with Ellis. We're taking about the here and now and how our once great club has got into the pile of shit it finds itself.

But you were ok comparing the Ellis years with Lerner's not only a few days ago?

As I explained earlier, I waded in when I saw a thread entitled "Randy Lerner" full of stuff about how Ellis was being talked of as the devil incarnate. I felt some of the comments were out of line and so I said so.

If this situation was happening under Ellis, fans would have been calling for him to be hung, drawn and quartered.  Yet Lerner continues to get an easy ride.  I couldn't care less if Lerners a nice man, he's spent the last 5 years sabotaging one of England's biggest clubs and continues to be allowed to get away with it.

Sabotage. Yeah that's what it feels like.

[PeterWithesShin]

Trust me, if I wanted to antagonize you'd know.

Quite how citing examples and saying "it happens" is to distract from the manner at hand is beyond me. And again, last summer the club were getting slaughtered on here over Vlaar and Delph for being in their last year. One we won, one we half lost.

[Chris Harte]

You must be wondering what sort of witchcraft Leicester are using which means that they were able to sign Swiss, Japanese, Senegalese, Tunisian and Austrian players and yet be able to use them competently.

Well then explain the emphasis on Remi Garde being able to gel all of the French players in the squad then. Still waiting for that to happen, BTW. Not that I blame Garde for any of this mess.

[saunders_heroes]

You can't make a player sign a contract if he doesn't want to. Can you imagine the outcry on here if he'd have walked out the door for nothing?

That's all well and good, but the way the club announced his new contract like it was the second coming when they knew full well of the pitiful buy out clause left an extremely sour taste in the mouth.
Let's face it, the club conned the supporters.