Randy Lerner

[pauliewalnuts]

Vile personal abuse of anyone at any level is not acceptable in my book.
My definition of "abuse" was of a slightly differing order. Calling someone  an incompetent, negligent buffoon is abuse , but it's not vile ?? Subjective I guess

Calling someone an incompetent negligent buffoon also isn't 'constructive criticism' is it?

True though.

Yet not exactly 'constructive' to use Silhillvilla's word.

[silhillvilla]

Vile personal abuse of anyone at any level is not acceptable in my book.
My definition of "abuse" was of a slightly differing order. Calling someone  an incompetent, negligent buffoon is abuse , but it's not vile ?? Subjective I guess

Calling someone an incompetent negligent buffoon also isn't 'constructive criticism' is it?

It's not vile either

[pauliewalnuts]

Vile personal abuse of anyone at any level is not acceptable in my book.
My definition of "abuse" was of a slightly differing order. Calling someone  an incompetent, negligent buffoon is abuse , but it's not vile ?? Subjective I guess

Calling someone an incompetent negligent buffoon also isn't 'constructive criticism' is it?

It's not vile either

Who said it was?

[saunders_heroes]

Vile personal abuse of anyone at any level is not acceptable in my book.
My definition of "abuse" was of a slightly differing order. Calling someone  an incompetent, negligent buffoon is abuse , but it's not vile ?? Subjective I guess

Not necessarily on this thread, but there's worse dotted around various threads.

Didn't you just call Sherwood a fuckwit twat on another thread?

[dave.woodhall]

It's there to be seen.

Lerner is a disgrace for the contempt he has shown the fans , months , years even of blanking us. He deserves the abuse.

He also deserves a friendly pat on the back for not throwing us under the bus with debt.*



*Yes, I know his board created it.

He owns us lock stock and barrel. The club's debt is his debt isn't it?

Not since he converted the last £90M to equity. Effectively he created £90M of shares in the holding company that he then sold to himself enabling the debt to be written off.

Risso can almost certainly explain it better.

And he gets that back when he sells the club?

Not necessarily. He gets back what he gets paid.

[Villa in Denmark]

It's there to be seen.

Lerner is a disgrace for the contempt he has shown the fans , months , years even if blanking us. He deserves the abuse.

What sort of abuse is acceptable, out of interest?

Well when I say "abuse" I mean constructive criticism .
Together with that fake General bloke. He deserves a bit too.

I can't believe you posted that.
Whatever you think about his involvement with the Villa through his association with Randy, but to describe him as a fake general is beyond brainless.

Can you really not help making yourself look like a complete idiot?

He is a fake. He was a General, but he is a fake. You have misinterpreted my words, and equally I missed a comma

So I didn't misinterpret your words. I interpreted your words as typed just fine. It was your typing that didn't make your meaning clear.

So just for clarity, in what way us he a fake?

[adrenachrome]

It may well be exactly what Newcastle did, if indeed both clubs bought a number of players to a system of data analysis, in order to compete on a budget, and above the manager's say so. To my knowledge, we haven't done that before

To my knowledge, we haven't done that now.

In terms of Rumsfeldian "known knowns", I agree Dave. 

However, I was intrigued by a recent interview with TSM1, where he opined that experienced managers like Fat Sam and Poo Liss would demand full control when asked to sort a struggling club out, but those lacking clout for whatever reason, and here he mentioned TSM2 and Timah, would more likely be amenable to a transfer committee or a goldenballs or a sabreswordtooth arrangement.

This is why I think Foxy had a short list of one. Timah has the ego of a small planet and thought he could make it work, probably calculating he he could get in more of his muckers than proved the case. TSM1 made the point, which many posters here have made, that the large majority of foreign imports take a good while to gel in the PL. The ones that fit in straight away usually command massive wages.

In other words, Timah has bitten off more than he can chew, but Foxy was leading him on with tasty morsels. Yet another ghastly symbiosis to add to our recent history of this phenomenon.

Timah is not without considerable financial and media clout, and we are now witnessing the outcome. He will not go softly into the dark night. Given the amount of effort he has put into this media onslaught and the club's lack of a response, I would not rule out entirely the possibility that he has a longer term plan.

 

[silhillvilla]

Vile personal abuse of anyone at any level is not acceptable in my book.
My definition of "abuse" was of a slightly differing order. Calling someone  an incompetent, negligent buffoon is abuse , but it's not vile ?? Subjective I guess

Calling someone an incompetent negligent buffoon also isn't 'constructive criticism' is it?

It's not vile either

Who said it was?

I'm responding to ViD who wrongly intimated that I support vile personal abuse of Lerner. I've never advocated that and am responding to his accusations which is quite rich from a poster who has personally abused sherwood on other threads which is his right but the double standards are those of a hypocrite.

[AV82EC]

It's there to be seen.

Lerner is a disgrace for the contempt he has shown the fans , months , years even of blanking us. He deserves the abuse.

He also deserves a friendly pat on the back for not throwing us under the bus with debt.*



*Yes, I know his board created it.

He owns us lock stock and barrel. The club's debt is his debt isn't it?

Not since he converted the last £90M to equity. Effectively he created £90M of shares in the holding company that he then sold to himself enabling the debt to be written off.

Risso can almost certainly explain it better.

And he gets that back when he sells the club?

If you think what he paid for the club and the various debt to equity swaps he's done will in anyway be covered by the sale price of the club then think again.  I thought it was well accepted on here now that he's probably sunk getting on for a third of a billion into the club in the past 9 years and he'll be lucky to see half of that back on selling.

[pauliewalnuts]

It's there to be seen.

Lerner is a disgrace for the contempt he has shown the fans , months , years even if blanking us. He deserves the abuse.

What sort of abuse is acceptable, out of interest?

Well when I say "abuse" I mean constructive criticism .
Together with that fake General bloke. He deserves a bit too.

I can't believe you posted that.
Whatever you think about his involvement with the Villa through his association with Randy, but to describe him as a fake general is beyond brainless.

Can you really not help making yourself look like a complete idiot?

He is a fake. He was a General, but he is a fake. You have misinterpreted my words, and equally I missed a comma

So I didn't misinterpret your words. I interpreted your words as typed just fine. It was your typing that didn't make your meaning clear.

So just for clarity, in what way us he a fake?

Impressive stuff, this.

A load of people spend the whole evening on this thread arguing cogently about Lerner, and within minutes of rocking up, Silhilvilla has managed to get himself all confused after calling General Krulak a "fake General" prior to throwing out some spurious argument about how he meant to just call him a "fake" (as if that's any less empty a criticism), tells us that by 'abuse' he means 'constructive criticism' and has wrapped us all up in an argument about whether 'negligent buffoon' constitutes 'vile abuse'.

Impressive stuff.

It's like PMQs and then all of a sudden someone unicycles down the middle of the Commons, dressed as a clown, waving a mackerel in the air and shouting something about vegetable rights and peace.

[pauliewalnuts]

It's there to be seen.

Lerner is a disgrace for the contempt he has shown the fans , months , years even of blanking us. He deserves the abuse.

He also deserves a friendly pat on the back for not throwing us under the bus with debt.*



*Yes, I know his board created it.

He owns us lock stock and barrel. The club's debt is his debt isn't it?

Not since he converted the last £90M to equity. Effectively he created £90M of shares in the holding company that he then sold to himself enabling the debt to be written off.

Risso can almost certainly explain it better.

And he gets that back when he sells the club?

And how's that panning out for him?

[silhillvilla]

It's there to be seen.

Lerner is a disgrace for the contempt he has shown the fans , months , years even if blanking us. He deserves the abuse.

What sort of abuse is acceptable, out of interest?

Well when I say "abuse" I mean constructive criticism .
Together with that fake General bloke. He deserves a bit too.

I can't believe you posted that.
Whatever you think about his involvement with the Villa through his association with Randy, but to describe him as a fake general is beyond brainless.

Can you really not help making yourself look like a complete idiot?

He is a fake. He was a General, but he is a fake. You have misinterpreted my words, and equally I missed a comma

So I didn't misinterpret your words. I interpreted your words as typed just fine. It was your typing that didn't make your meaning clear.

So just for clarity, in what way us he a fake?

Do you forget the years of him frequenting fan forums giving it the big one then once the going got tough he disappeared in a most un-General like way. Fake.

[b23]

Mr Lerner went to Cambridge University and was, or became a Villa fan ?

God bless him.

But.

I don't think it's good business practice to be a fan of your business ?

Make it work. Make it prosper. Drive it forward ?

Don't be a fan and then lose interest.

[pauliewalnuts]

I don't think it's good business practice to be a fan of your business ?

That is probably good advice.

[saunders_heroes]

He never pretended to be a fan of the club in his university days.