Randy Lerner

[Villa in Denmark]

It's there to be seen.

Lerner is a disgrace for the contempt he has shown the fans , months , years even if blanking us. He deserves the abuse.

What sort of abuse is acceptable, out of interest?

Well when I say "abuse" I mean constructive criticism .
Together with that fake General bloke. He deserves a bit too.

I can't believe you posted that.
Whatever you think about his involvement with the Villa through his association with Randy, but to describe him as a fake general is beyond brainless.

Can you really not help making yourself look like a complete idiot?

[saunders_heroes]

It's there to be seen.

Lerner is a disgrace for the contempt he has shown the fans , months , years even of blanking us. He deserves the abuse.

He also deserves a friendly pat on the back for not throwing us under the bus with debt.*



*Yes, I know his board created it.

He owns us lock stock and barrel. The club's debt is his debt isn't it?

[PeterWithesShin]

If it's there, quote it, put my mind at ease

Walnuts said "nobody" he was wrong. I don't think he needs you jumping to his aid , he's admitted he was wrong so we move on

Didn't think you'd be able to quote it.

[pauliewalnuts]

If it's there, quote it, put my mind at ease

Walnuts said "nobody" he was wrong. I don't think he needs you jumping to his aid , he's admitted he was wrong so we move on

Coming from the person who sees 'constructive criticism' and 'abuse' as the same thing, I think I'll manage to sleep alright.

[pauliewalnuts]

It's there to be seen.

Lerner is a disgrace for the contempt he has shown the fans , months , years even of blanking us. He deserves the abuse.

He also deserves a friendly pat on the back for not throwing us under the bus with debt.*



*Yes, I know his board created it.

He owns us lock stock and barrel. The club's debt is his debt isn't it?

No.

[silhillvilla]

Vile personal abuse of anyone at any level is not acceptable in my book.
My definition of "abuse" was of a slightly differing order. Calling someone  an incompetent, negligent buffoon is abuse , but it's not vile ?? Subjective I guess

[Rudy Can't Fail]

It's there to be seen.

Lerner is a disgrace for the contempt he has shown the fans , months , years even of blanking us. He deserves the abuse.

He also deserves a friendly pat on the back for not throwing us under the bus with debt.*



*Yes, I know his board created it.

He owns us lock stock and barrel. The club's debt is his debt isn't it?

Indeed. Doesn't that make him even more cuddlier?

[pauliewalnuts]

Vile personal abuse of anyone at any level is not acceptable in my book.
My definition of "abuse" was of a slightly differing order. Calling someone  an incompetent, negligent buffoon is abuse , but it's not vile ?? Subjective I guess

Calling someone an incompetent negligent buffoon also isn't 'constructive criticism' is it?

[Villa in Denmark]

It's there to be seen.

Lerner is a disgrace for the contempt he has shown the fans , months , years even of blanking us. He deserves the abuse.

He also deserves a friendly pat on the back for not throwing us under the bus with debt.*



*Yes, I know his board created it.

He owns us lock stock and barrel. The club's debt is his debt isn't it?

Not since he converted the last £90M to equity. Effectively he created £90M of shares in the holding company that he then sold to himself enabling the debt to be written off.

Risso can almost certainly explain it better.

[silhillvilla]

It's there to be seen.

Lerner is a disgrace for the contempt he has shown the fans , months , years even if blanking us. He deserves the abuse.

What sort of abuse is acceptable, out of interest?

Well when I say "abuse" I mean constructive criticism .
Together with that fake General bloke. He deserves a bit too.

I can't believe you posted that.
Whatever you think about his involvement with the Villa through his association with Randy, but to describe him as a fake general is beyond brainless.

Can you really not help making yourself look like a complete idiot?

He is a fake. He was a General, but he is a fake. You have misinterpreted my words, and equally I missed a comma

[saunders_heroes]

It's there to be seen.

Lerner is a disgrace for the contempt he has shown the fans , months , years even of blanking us. He deserves the abuse.

He also deserves a friendly pat on the back for not throwing us under the bus with debt.*



*Yes, I know his board created it.

He owns us lock stock and barrel. The club's debt is his debt isn't it?

Indeed. Doesn't that make him even more cuddlier?

Oh I don't know. These last 5 years very much feel like we've been thrown under a bus.

[saunders_heroes]

Vile personal abuse of anyone at any level is not acceptable in my book.
My definition of "abuse" was of a slightly differing order. Calling someone  an incompetent, negligent buffoon is abuse , but it's not vile ?? Subjective I guess

Calling someone an incompetent negligent buffoon also isn't 'constructive criticism' is it?

True though.

[Villa in Denmark]

Vile personal abuse of anyone at any level is not acceptable in my book.
My definition of "abuse" was of a slightly differing order. Calling someone  an incompetent, negligent buffoon is abuse , but it's not vile ?? Subjective I guess

Not necessarily on this thread, but there's worse dotted around various threads.

[pauliewalnuts]

It's there to be seen.

Lerner is a disgrace for the contempt he has shown the fans , months , years even of blanking us. He deserves the abuse.

He also deserves a friendly pat on the back for not throwing us under the bus with debt.*



*Yes, I know his board created it.

He owns us lock stock and barrel. The club's debt is his debt isn't it?

Not since he converted the last £90M to equity. Effectively he created £90M of shares in the holding company that he then sold to himself enabling the debt to be written off.

Risso can almost certainly explain it better.

Ultimately Randy Lerner  and Reform Acquisitions Limited are two different legal entities.

He might be the only shareholder but that doesn't mean he *is* RAL, it doesn't mean that any money in the company is "his" personal money, and it doesn't mean any debt in the company is his "personal" debt, either.

[saunders_heroes]

It's there to be seen.

Lerner is a disgrace for the contempt he has shown the fans , months , years even of blanking us. He deserves the abuse.

He also deserves a friendly pat on the back for not throwing us under the bus with debt.*



*Yes, I know his board created it.

He owns us lock stock and barrel. The club's debt is his debt isn't it?

Not since he converted the last £90M to equity. Effectively he created £90M of shares in the holding company that he then sold to himself enabling the debt to be written off.

Risso can almost certainly explain it better.

And he gets that back when he sells the club?