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Online NeilH

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Re: Poll - Sherwood - get rid?
« Reply #2850 on: October 20, 2015, 09:55:43 AM »
Just watched swansea get done by stoke and both teams were terrible which indicates how crap we are. Another young manager relatively inexperienced no thanks.

So you're judging Garry Monk on one game and not his entire body of work?

The point was made earlier that Gary Monk has done well at Swansea because he knows the way the football club works, he's knows the players, he knows the system, he knows where he fits in and what the parameters are.  Coming to Villa, with all the issues that are here, would be a totally different test. The appointment would be as risky as Sherwood's was.

Monk has done well at Swansea but yes, he would be risky for us in our situation. Also, why would he leave Swansea to come to us?

Dear god that would be a disaster. The whole reason that Sherwood has failed is that does not have the experience or clout to be the centre of affairs at the club. We are in urgent need of the kind of impact that Sir Graham had; someone who like Sir Graham can arrive, will call the club for the ill-run shambles that it is and say it’s my way or no way. We have been floundering for too long now, testing out one approach, changing tack trying another, changing tack again and repeat ad nausea. We need stability and if it ain’t coming from above, then it sure as hell needs to come from the manager

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Re: Poll - Sherwood - get rid?
« Reply #2851 on: October 20, 2015, 09:57:13 AM »
Just watched swansea get done by stoke and both teams were terrible which indicates how crap we are. Another young manager relatively inexperienced no thanks.

So you're judging Garry Monk on one game and not his entire body of work?

The point was made earlier that Gary Monk has done well at Swansea because he knows the way the football club works, he's knows the players, he knows the system, he knows where he fits in and what the parameters are.  Coming to Villa, with all the issues that are here, would be a totally different test. The appointment would be as risky as Sherwood's was.

Monk has done well at Swansea but yes, he would be risky for us in our situation. Also, why would he leave Swansea to come to us?

Dear god that would be a disaster. The whole reason that Sherwood has failed is that does not have the experience or clout to be the centre of affairs at the club. We are in urgent need of the kind of impact that Sir Graham had; someone who like Sir Graham can arrive, will call the club for the ill-run shambles that it is and say it’s my way or no way. We have been floundering for too long now, testing out one approach, changing tack trying another, changing tack again and repeat ad nausea. We need stability and if it ain’t coming from above, then it sure as hell needs to come from the manager

I'm not sure Monk is the man for us, but Sherwood has not failed due to lack of experience or clout. He's failed because he's too arrogant and he doesn't have the first clue how to organise a team.

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Re: Poll - Sherwood - get rid?
« Reply #2852 on: October 20, 2015, 10:04:39 AM »
Just watched swansea get done by stoke and both teams were terrible which indicates how crap we are. Another young manager relatively inexperienced no thanks.

So you're judging Garry Monk on one game and not his entire body of work?

The point was made earlier that Gary Monk has done well at Swansea because he knows the way the football club works, he's knows the players, he knows the system, he knows where he fits in and what the parameters are.  Coming to Villa, with all the issues that are here, would be a totally different test. The appointment would be as risky as Sherwood's was.

Monk has done well at Swansea but yes, he would be risky for us in our situation. Also, why would he leave Swansea to come to us?

Dear god that would be a disaster. The whole reason that Sherwood has failed is that does not have the experience or clout to be the centre of affairs at the club. We are in urgent need of the kind of impact that Sir Graham had; someone who like Sir Graham can arrive, will call the club for the ill-run shambles that it is and say it’s my way or no way. We have been floundering for too long now, testing out one approach, changing tack trying another, changing tack again and repeat ad nausea. We need stability and if it ain’t coming from above, then it sure as hell needs to come from the manager

I'm not sure Monk is the man for us, but Sherwood has not failed due to lack of experience or clout. He's failed because he's too arrogant and he doesn't have the first clue how to organise a team.

He's arrogant because he lacks experience, but thinks that he knows it all. He reminds of graduates who start work, think that they know everything and begin questioning everything, instead of listening and learning a little. There is nothing wrong with self-confidence, but if you don't mix it with experience you are on a slippery slope - this is how I see Sherwood and crucially, as has been said, he has not had the benefit of learning his skills at the lower level; he's been elevated too early and found out.

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Re: Poll - Sherwood - get rid?
« Reply #2853 on: October 20, 2015, 10:08:05 AM »
Monk stepped into an exisitng system at Swansea where he was was already embedded in the way they operate.
He knew the players, the systems, the whole club.

There is absolutley nothing to suggest he would be capable of rolling up at our car crash and being able to sort it out.     

   

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Re: Poll - Sherwood - get rid?
« Reply #2854 on: October 20, 2015, 10:09:38 AM »
I think Monk looks very good indeed, but he needs to stay at Swansea and carry on learning in that environment, which is pretty much perfect for him. If he came to us I'd bet that he'd do a hell of a lot better than Sherwood, but he might still fail - and he won't come anyway.

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Re: Poll - Sherwood - get rid?
« Reply #2855 on: October 20, 2015, 10:10:53 AM »
I wouldn't want Monk.

Swansea look like us under Lambert at the moment, with all the cutting edge of a butter knife. Until they play us of course, then they might find their scoring touch again.

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Re: Poll - Sherwood - get rid?
« Reply #2856 on: October 20, 2015, 10:59:44 AM »
I wouldn't want Monk.

Swansea look like us under Lambert at the moment, with all the cutting edge of a butter knife. Until they play us of course, then they might find their scoring touch again.

I noticed that too - they said Swansea haven't won since August.....I think we all know where this is heading!

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Re: Poll - Sherwood - get rid?
« Reply #2857 on: October 20, 2015, 11:14:08 AM »
This is turning into a car crash

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Re: Poll - Sherwood - get rid?
« Reply #2858 on: October 20, 2015, 11:18:17 AM »
This is turning into a car crash

It already is a car crash.

The question is if someone can pull the passengers out of the wreckage that's left after some gormless prat drove straight at a tree with the engine revving nearly as fast as his gob.

Offline levico

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Re: Poll - Sherwood - get rid?
« Reply #2859 on: October 20, 2015, 11:18:25 AM »
I notice that there are still a significant number of people who don't want Sherwood to go, or are yet to decide.

I would genuinely like to hear why they feel that way. It seems to me that we are on the highway to hell with Sherwood but maybe I'm missing something.

Give me some straws to cling to!

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Re: Poll - Sherwood - get rid?
« Reply #2860 on: October 20, 2015, 11:25:28 AM »
This is turning into a car crash

It was car crash 5 years ago, thing is we keep pulling bodies out of the wreckage and the accident investigators haven't figured out who's at fault yet.

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Re: Poll - Sherwood - get rid?
« Reply #2861 on: October 20, 2015, 11:25:57 AM »
I notice that there are still a significant number of people who don't want Sherwood to go, or are yet to decide.

I would genuinely like to hear why they feel that way. It seems to me that we are on the highway to hell with Sherwood but maybe I'm missing something.

Give me some straws to cling to!
ive been openly saying he deserves every chance to turn things round. My criteria were either cast adrift at the bottom by 6/7 points or still bottom 3 after Christmas. Looks increasingly unlikely that he will turn things around now, especially after the comments he's made the last week or so. I reckon he's gone now, just a matter of time. No idea who the replacement should be, or who it will likely be. But we really cannot afford to get this one wrong. This looks as bad a situation as I've ever known at Villa, Levico.

Offline Proposition Joe

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Re: Poll - Sherwood - get rid?
« Reply #2862 on: October 20, 2015, 11:36:26 AM »
Sir Alex. Always had a good word about us, and must be bored by now.

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Re: Poll - Sherwood - get rid?
« Reply #2863 on: October 20, 2015, 11:42:46 AM »
If he was going to go surely he would have gone yesterday?  now another week of him and his ramblings

 back to bed see you next Monday 

Offline Goldie.7

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Re: Poll - Sherwood - get rid?
« Reply #2864 on: October 20, 2015, 11:44:06 AM »
I notice that there are still a significant number of people who don't want Sherwood to go, or are yet to decide.

I would genuinely like to hear why they feel that way. It seems to me that we are on the highway to hell with Sherwood but maybe I'm missing something.

Give me some straws to cling to!

I had a discussion about this with some numpty that is backing Sherwood to the death on twitter, until I clicked his YouTube link and saw he posted a 'House Tour' video. After that, everything made sense.

 


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