Poll - Sherwood - got rid

[Mister E]

Everything about the Lerner early years was class, MON appointment

No credit to Ellis for this appointment?

I don't think HDE had anything to do with this; and MON would not have joined had ol' Hard-arsed Doug been at the helm.

[Toronto Villa]

I thought the Lambert appointment was a bad one. His record at Norwich was pretty good, but it was mostly achieved with a front two of Grant Holt and Steve Morison - not exactly the progressive, modern football our rivals were going for.

but you didn't call it a shit appointment. You had your doubts and you weren't overly positive about it. However most people were happy overall with the appointment. Describing an appointment as shit is reserved to manager's like Alex McLeish.

[Legion]

I would describe the McLeish appointment as bizarre, all things considered.

[Jimbo]

Let's not forget that the Lambert appointment came directly after managergeddon. We could have appointed a bag of frozen peas and there would have been street parties all over north Birmingham. The problem with Lambert is that he lasted so long. So damned, fucking long.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Let's not forget that the Lambert appointment came directly after managergeddon. We could have appointed a bag of frozen peas and there would have been street parties all over north Birmingham.

Funny and sad how we had the same situation when Sherwood first arrived. So much excitement that we were actually passing the ball - in the opposition's half.

[peter w]

It's funny how since lerner has come in we've overspent massively, made poor managerial decision after decision, had manager after manager having to bring kids in, have a current one who is spending only the money he got from selling benteke and Delph, and we're now adrift in the bottom 3. And not one bit of that is the fault of the stay away owner.

[David_Nab]

Not Tims fault ...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11932271/If-Tim-Sherwood-is-sacked-those-behind-Aston-Villas-deeply-flawed-transfer-policy-should-pay-too.html

At Ajax they call it the club’s “technical heart” and it is staffed by some of the most famous players in their recent history. At Liverpool it is known as the “transfer committee” and includes some who could stroll down Walton Breck Road without fear of being recognised. At Aston Villa they do not yet have a name for those responsible for signing players, but the club’s current situation suggests that, whatever it is they are trying to do, it certainly isn’t working.

Tim Sherwood, the Villa manager, goes into Saturday’s game against Chelsea with the unenviable task of making the club’s brave summer transfer strategy work, safe in the knowledge that it will be him politely ushered out the gates should it fail. As the old managerial saying on player recruitment goes, it is a team effort right up to the moment that the director of football is stood on the kerbside waving goodbye to the manager.
No modern manager can take on the burden of player recruitment alone, in an age when Villa are more likely to sign a player from Lorient or Barcelona B than Chelmsford City from where they once plucked a teenage Nigel Spink. Southampton and Swansea City have led the way in developing recruitment systems which not only acquire new players with the buy-in of managers, but also replace managers themselves with the minimum of fuss or disruption.

At Villa, this summer’s policy of buying almost exclusively young players with the emphasis on potential has so far left them 18th with four points from eight games. Their manager is now obliged to oversee his new charges’ development in the midst of a relegation fight, as well as save his own job– and all this before the clocks have even gone back.

All Villa transfer policy is overseen by the German sporting director Hendrik Almstadt, recruited this summer by chief executive Tom Fox from his former club Arsenal. Almstadt had originally joined Arsenal on the commercial side but his interest in data analytics, scouting and contract management permitted him a change in direction towards player recruitment.
The director of scouting and recruitment Paddy Reilly came back from Liverpool last year for his second spell at Villa and his connection with Randy Lerner, the club’s owner, has proven crucial. The Villa owner has the final sign-off on all transfers and he has endorsed the view that young players, with the potential to be sold at a profit must be a priority.

The club’s stated policy in their summer transfer dealings has been to pursue youth, remorselessly it seemed in the end, testing Sherwood’s credentials as a developer of young footballers to the limit. Lerner has been burned before, and looking around a squad that included the likes of Joe Cole, Philippe Senderos and Charles N’Zogbia he resolved never to be loaded down with the expensive, superannuated players that have been a feature of previous squads.
This summer Villa had a deal agreed with Aaron Lennon, later abandoned in keeping with policy for Adama Traore’s £7 million move from Barcelona. The 19-year-old might yet set the league alight but he could also be playing for a Championship club next season if Villa do not improve quickly. Moves for Esteban Cambiasso, Asmir Begovic, Tom Cleverley and Victor Moses also fell by the wayside as the club pursued their youth-first policy.
 
 
Sherwood must accept that he signed up for this ride and having ceded ultimate control of player transfer at the point he was best-placed to demand it – the moment before he signed his contract – will just have to do his best. Yet there will be only one casualty if Villa’s decline continues and the next manager will also be obliged to work with a group of players bought with 2017 in mind, rather than Saturday afternoon at Stamford Bridge.

There is undoubtedly a place in modern football for analysts who can pick their way through the great scree slopes of data now available on the elite game. All successful Premier League clubs are required to cast their net wide for players, with a network of scouts who work to standardised objectives and procedures rather than a proverbial finger in the wind. Yet when it works best, like Southampton, the recruitment team provides Ronald Koeman with a list of options to fill a position, and he makes the final decision.
Without that safety net, mistakes can be made.

Of the 13 players who arrived at Villa this summer, on a net spend of around £7 million, it has been Jordan Veretout, a 22-year-old midfielder signed from Nantes for £8 million, who has looked the furthest off the pace. Many of the others remain works in progress.

There is great potential at Villa, not least with Jack Grealish, the 20-year-old homegrown midfielder and, beyond him, the 17-year-olds Andre Green and Rushian Hepburn-Murphy, the latter of whom has already made his Premier League debut. Lose on Saturday and the likelihood of Sherwood being around to see those three flourish will be that much reduced, although you would not bet against those in the recruitment department emerging unscathed.

[claret and blue blood]

Root cause is Lerner with out a doubt. Sherwood  is just a symptom and a very bad one with the evidence of his brief period in charge.
What we need is to get lucky with the next manager who will need to pull this ailing club up by it's boot straps .
This will require a very strong  and self sufficient man dare I say in the Ron Saunders mould.
Can't think who though, watched Rodgers on the with Martinez last night and Martinez seemed way more confident in himself, and this  was recorded before he got the sack.

[Monty]

Not Tims fault ...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11932271/If-Tim-Sherwood-is-sacked-those-behind-Aston-Villas-deeply-flawed-transfer-policy-should-pay-too.html

At Ajax they call it the club’s “technical heart” and it is staffed by some of the most famous players in their recent history. At Liverpool it is known as the “transfer committee” and includes some who could stroll down Walton Breck Road without fear of being recognised. At Aston Villa they do not yet have a name for those responsible for signing players, but the club’s current situation suggests that, whatever it is they are trying to do, it certainly isn’t working.

Tim Sherwood, the Villa manager, goes into Saturday’s game against Chelsea with the unenviable task of making the club’s brave summer transfer strategy work, safe in the knowledge that it will be him politely ushered out the gates should it fail. As the old managerial saying on player recruitment goes, it is a team effort right up to the moment that the director of football is stood on the kerbside waving goodbye to the manager.
No modern manager can take on the burden of player recruitment alone, in an age when Villa are more likely to sign a player from Lorient or Barcelona B than Chelmsford City from where they once plucked a teenage Nigel Spink. Southampton and Swansea City have led the way in developing recruitment systems which not only acquire new players with the buy-in of managers, but also replace managers themselves with the minimum of fuss or disruption.

At Villa, this summer’s policy of buying almost exclusively young players with the emphasis on potential has so far left them 18th with four points from eight games. Their manager is now obliged to oversee his new charges’ development in the midst of a relegation fight, as well as save his own job– and all this before the clocks have even gone back.

All Villa transfer policy is overseen by the German sporting director Hendrik Almstadt, recruited this summer by chief executive Tom Fox from his former club Arsenal. Almstadt had originally joined Arsenal on the commercial side but his interest in data analytics, scouting and contract management permitted him a change in direction towards player recruitment.
The director of scouting and recruitment Paddy Reilly came back from Liverpool last year for his second spell at Villa and his connection with Randy Lerner, the club’s owner, has proven crucial. The Villa owner has the final sign-off on all transfers and he has endorsed the view that young players, with the potential to be sold at a profit must be a priority.

The club’s stated policy in their summer transfer dealings has been to pursue youth, remorselessly it seemed in the end, testing Sherwood’s credentials as a developer of young footballers to the limit. Lerner has been burned before, and looking around a squad that included the likes of Joe Cole, Philippe Senderos and Charles N’Zogbia he resolved never to be loaded down with the expensive, superannuated players that have been a feature of previous squads.
This summer Villa had a deal agreed with Aaron Lennon, later abandoned in keeping with policy for Adama Traore’s £7 million move from Barcelona. The 19-year-old might yet set the league alight but he could also be playing for a Championship club next season if Villa do not improve quickly. Moves for Esteban Cambiasso, Asmir Begovic, Tom Cleverley and Victor Moses also fell by the wayside as the club pursued their youth-first policy.
 
 
Sherwood must accept that he signed up for this ride and having ceded ultimate control of player transfer at the point he was best-placed to demand it – the moment before he signed his contract – will just have to do his best. Yet there will be only one casualty if Villa’s decline continues and the next manager will also be obliged to work with a group of players bought with 2017 in mind, rather than Saturday afternoon at Stamford Bridge.

There is undoubtedly a place in modern football for analysts who can pick their way through the great scree slopes of data now available on the elite game. All successful Premier League clubs are required to cast their net wide for players, with a network of scouts who work to standardised objectives and procedures rather than a proverbial finger in the wind. Yet when it works best, like Southampton, the recruitment team provides Ronald Koeman with a list of options to fill a position, and he makes the final decision.
Without that safety net, mistakes can be made.

Of the 13 players who arrived at Villa this summer, on a net spend of around £7 million, it has been Jordan Veretout, a 22-year-old midfielder signed from Nantes for £8 million, who has looked the furthest off the pace. Many of the others remain works in progress.

There is great potential at Villa, not least with Jack Grealish, the 20-year-old homegrown midfielder and, beyond him, the 17-year-olds Andre Green and Rushian Hepburn-Murphy, the latter of whom has already made his Premier League debut. Lose on Saturday and the likelihood of Sherwood being around to see those three flourish will be that much reduced, although you would not bet against those in the recruitment department emerging unscathed.

It's all very reminiscent of Redknapp and MON, whose friends in the media would be ready with all-too-convenient excuses before the axe was swung. Oh well, people can exculpate Sherwood all they want - he signed off on the players as he kept reminding us, of the missed-outs only Cambiasso and Begovic would have improved us (Begovic wouldn't have come anyway) - the rest are chronically overrated space-fillers. Let's just hope this excuse-mongering means that he is indeed out the door soon.

[aj2k77]

Tim would have bought in Lennon, ahh ok that changes everything doesn't it..

[pauliewalnuts]

Let's not forget that the Lambert appointment came directly after managergeddon. We could have appointed a bag of frozen peas and there would have been street parties all over north Birmingham. The problem with Lambert is that he lasted so long. So damned, fucking long.

That's it.

The appointment at the time looked sensible.

It didn't work out. That happens. However, he got a ridiculously long period of time to make it work. He must have had five or six spells that would have got any other manager sacked, yet still survived for 2 and a bit seasons.

[Legion]

Summed up perfectly in a nutshell.

[ROBBO]

So the tit for tat has begun in earnest, this is Sherwood protecting himself against what now appears to be the inevitable end. I am not saying the article is wrong to me it smacks of the truth but any manager is able at any time to wave goodbye if he feels he has been short sided. Lets get this over quickly.

[cheltenhamlion]

So the tit for tat has begun in earnest, this is Sherwood protecting himself against what now appears to be the inevitable end. I am not saying the article is wrong to me it smacks of the truth but any manager is able at any time to wave goodbye if he feels he has been short sided. Lets get this over quickly.

Oh yes. The fact he has used the media to gob off again, when if you believe what has been written gave him 2 games, takes that down to 1. Oh dear.

[markeeeebeeee2005]

Lerner does not even select the manager, so relax. Merely because they can say "Lerner,"and thus  think that they have attained the Holy Grail of polysyllabism, all the nitwits who criticize the owner on this point just like to think of themselves as saying something meaningful. Trust me when I tell you that you have not. We get it; you think Lerner's appointments have sucked. In the case of McLeish, you are right, but the others are defensible and were never Lerner's alone anyway. You are boring; please stop wasting people's time with your drivel.

Who are you? And what have you got to do with anything anyway? Your post is complete drivel.