Poll - Sherwood - got rid

[paul_e]

I agree with Pelty that the managerial appointments in isolation are generally defensible, except for McLeish. Lambert, who now looks like the worst in recent memory, made perfect sense at the time. I would question the lack of consistency and coherent strategy across managers though as I feel that has played a role in the lack of success.

This is the key for me, we've lurched between appointments with little regard for how well suited to they existing squad they are and how much continuity they offer.  Hopefully this is where Almstadt has an input, we really need someone at board level who is considering the 'longer view' when we make these decisions.

[bob]

Lerner does not even select the manager, so relax. Merely because they can say "Lerner,"and thus  think that they have attained the Holy Grail of polysyllabism, all the nitwits who criticize the owner on this point just like to think of themselves as saying something meaningful. Trust me when I tell you that you have not. We get it; you think Lerner's appointments have sucked. In the case of McLeish, you are right, but the others are defensible and were never Lerner's alone anyway. You are boring; please stop wasting people's time with your drivel.

Maybe it's too difficult for you to understand. Saying "Lerner" on a message board is a succinct way of encompassing those who are in charge of making the decisions. All of the appointments have sucked. All of them.

If the drivel is boring, why don't you fuck off?

[aj2k77]

All of Lerners appointments have been shite, every single one of them. Lerner has employed underqualified lackeys to do the work for him, they've fucked up, there fore in my book it's ultimately his responsibility.

Lambert
Mcleish
Houllier
Sherwood

All of them, without hindsight were either huge gambles or terrible ideas. We were coming from a position of 4 yrs in a row in the top 10 including a couple of pops at Champions League qualification, there were no need to drop so far down the managerial ladder that we were looking at guys with 1 yr experience in the top flight. Lerners a fucking moron. Nice guy, but thick.

[Damo70]

I was against the Houllier appointment from the start, as staggered as anyone at TSM's appointment and far more underwhelmed than most people seemed to be with Lambert. Cautiously optimistic is probably the best way to describe my feelings on Sherwood's appointment. Lerner needs to have a word with Doug about how to pull a SGT or BFR rabbit out of the hat when you need someone to save the Villa and take the heat off yourself.

[Toronto Villa]

I don't see how the Lambert appointment was shit. It was almost universally well received. That it turned into shit doesn't make it a shit appointment.

[Phil from the upper holte]

I don't see how the Lambert appointment was shit. It was almost universally well received. That it turned into shit doesn't make it a shit appointment.

Agreed, I thought we'd got a man who was capable of picking the team to suit the opposition and being able to make the correct subs, it turned out however to be the complete opposite

[Clampy]

I couldn't warm to Houiller, I'm not sure why. It just didn't feel right but had he stayed, he might have turned us into a decent side. McLeish was just one of those mad appointments which we will never get our head round. Lambert was an understandable appointment and overall it went down well, but like others have said, he was given too long and the contract extension was just baffling. Sherwood hasn't failed yet but it obviously needs to improve.

[exigo]

I don't see how the Lambert appointment was shit. It was almost universally well received. That it turned into shit doesn't make it a shit appointment.

Agreed, I thought we'd got a man who was capable of picking the team to suit the opposition and being able to make the correct subs, it turned out however to be the complete opposite

Quite. I watched his Norwich side play us off the park twice before we appointed him. And was in the West Ham away end chanting 'we're passing the ball' on the opening day, thinking all was well with the world.
Nobody could have truly seen the way it went horrifically wrong from there at that point in time.

[Tony Erdington]

I thought Houllier a stella manager, and the best appointment we have made, I thought things were coming right, and I believe he wouldnt have had us languishing down the bottom of the table, but the other appointments have all been gash, were just messing about with Sherwood he aint going to get it right now, we wont get a lot from chelsea im hoping for a draw against swansea, but by then Fox/Lerner need to have identified there man, and not the twat from small heath.

[Billy Walker]

I liked Houllier. He was blunt and undiplomatic at times, but that wasn't specific to his time with us.

He went to university and started working as a school teacher, originally, and you could see that vaguely academic nature reflected in his managerial style. Exactly the sort of thoughtful profile I would have liked to see us stick with, rather than opting for the good old-fashioned, British up and at 'em, leave-your-brain-at-the-dressing-room door approach.

I liked Houllier too in that, as a manager with a track record, he certainly ticked all the boxes I would be looking for in a potential Villa boss.  I can understand the thinking behind his appointment but the risks, for me, far outweighed all of that.  Indeed, if we could get the "next Houllier" to take on Villa as a long term project I would be delighted.  Who the next Houllier is I have no idea but hopefully we have the backroom infrastructure in place to now find him.

[Malandro]

The funny thing is, with time, I've got a bit of sympathy with all of the managers. They have all taken over an organisation with a bad stink about it.
Anyway who has worked in similar will know it. Low morale, not knowing what is coming next, cost cutting and constant employee turnover.

It saps you.

[Tom_Mc9?]

Lerner does not even select the manager, so relax. Merely because they can say "Lerner,"and thus  think that they have attained the Holy Grail of polysyllabism, all the nitwits who criticize the owner on this point just like to think of themselves as saying something meaningful. Trust me when I tell you that you have not. We get it; you think Lerner's appointments have sucked. In the case of McLeish, you are right, but the others are defensible and were never Lerner's alone anyway. You are boring; please stop wasting people's time with your drivel.

The arrogance of a post like this is astounding. Villa fans have had to endure a lot of shit over the last few years of Lerner's leadership. Christ, we thought Doug was bad but since the initial honeymoon period of the Lerner regime, it's been just as, if not more, trying. Saying Lerner is not to blame is like saying Sepp Blatter is blameless for FIFA's current plight. He's the owner and I'm afraid the blame lies with him.
We've had crap appointment after crap appointment. We've seen our best players leave almost annually. We've seen the amount of money put into the football club decrease to the extent where it is now clear that the aim of the football club is to come 17th each year.

And yet... Those who criticise Lerner are 'nitwits' who waste other people's time? Lerner has wasted a large amount of time and money of the fans who follow Villa with his lackadaisical attitude and bizarre statements. He freely admits he can no longer do the job. For what it's worth, I think Lerner had good intentions but has come up well short of what he promised. With your connections to the club I think you'd be well advised not to tell the fans who have been drained of emotion supporting the club that they are wasting people's time.

[Chico Hamilton III]

Lerner does not even select the manager, so relax. Merely because they can say "Lerner,"and thus  think that they have attained the Holy Grail of polysyllabism, all the nitwits who criticize the owner on this point just like to think of themselves as saying something meaningful. Trust me when I tell you that you have not. We get it; you think Lerner's appointments have sucked. In the case of McLeish, you are right, but the others are defensible and were never Lerner's alone anyway. You are boring; please stop wasting people's time with your drivel.

The arrogance of a post like this is astounding. Villa fans have had to endure a lot of shit over the last few years of Lerner's leadership. Christ, we thought Doug was bad but since the initial honeymoon period of the Lerner regime, it's been just as, if not more, trying. Saying Lerner is not to blame is like saying Sepp Blatter is blameless for FIFA's current plight. He's the owner and I'm afraid the blame lies with him.
We've had crap appointment after crap appointment. We've seen our best players leave almost annually. We've seen the amount of money put into the football club decrease to the extent where it is now clear that the aim of the football club is to come 17th each year.

And yet... Those who criticise Lerner are 'nitwits' who waste other people's time? Lerner has wasted a large amount of time and money of the fans who follow Villa with his lackadaisical attitude and bizarre statements. He freely admits he can no longer do the job. For what it's worth, I think Lerner had good intentions but has come up well short of what he promised. With your connections to the club I think you'd be well advised not to tell the fans who have been drained of emotion supporting the club that they are wasting people's time.

Absolutely. Unlike some highly decorated individuals at the club who fucked off when the going got tough, we'll be here long after Lerner's flogged up

[SamTheMouse]

It occurs to me that O'Neill got a lot of flak for fucking off when things started to get tough.

But if he had been able to find a buyer, Lerner would have done much the same.

[Jimbo]

It occurs to me that O'Neill got a lot of flak for fucking off when things started to get tough.

But if he had been able to find a buyer, Lerner would have done much the same.

One might argue that when the going got tough Lerner did fuck off, except that it's his name on the deeds. The bloke couldn't be more detached from the reality of Villa if he lived on Mars.