Poll - Sherwood - got rid

[mr underhill]

Moyes is the thinking fan's Sam; dour, gruff and a bit stodgy yes, but a  safe pair of hands and more or less guaranteed mid table anonymity. Yes please.

[pauliewalnuts]

The main problem is that the club just meekly accepts absolutely laughable shitness year after year. The fact we gave someone as poor as Lambert 2.5 seasons just says it all.

For most of those two and a half seasons, absolutely awful football, dreadful results and just scraping along without getting relegated was considered good enough by the club - otherwise Lambert would have been gone long before.

This is something that came up a lot in those years, but the message really was "that's acceptable for Aston Villa".  There were, in Lambert's time, five or six runs of bad results that would have got pretty much every single manager in the league the sack, every one of them, but he escaped them all.

Why? Because it was acceptable.

Just like it was acceptable when they appointed McLeish, too, or he wouldn't have got the job - surely nobody could have really thought he would ever achieve more than survival?

Now we have a situation whereby we've had a bloke in place who is starting to produce worse results than Lambert did.

Yes, he kept us up, but we finished 17th. Not only that, but look at the actual results he delivered last year in the league.

L L W W L L D W L W W L L L

P14 W5 D1 L8

Lost more than half the games we played.

Now look at this year: W L L D L L L L  - P8 W1 D1 L6 - we have *four* points from a possible 24. And that is from a run of matches including the likes of Sunderland at home, who we failed to beat. Then there was losing at home to both Albion and Stoke utterly meekly.

In his time here, that's P22 W6 D2 L14 - 0.9 points per game.

That level of shitness should be unacceptable for us. The "yeah, but that's what other managers delivered, too" argument counts for nothing - we've had shitness for five years, if anything we should be LESS accepting of it rather than more.

Even with that poor record, he'd make more of a case for himself if he wasn't telling us how the players aren't fit (his fault), he doesn't know his best team yet (laughable) or his tactics weren't at fault after one of the clearest examples you will ever see of a manager throwing away three points through stupidity (Leicester).

Now we're hearing hints of the "just stay up this year" line from him.

There's a reality bending field of bullshit about him, whereby what he usually talks and what he delivers differ immensely.

He just looks massively out of his depth. The thought of another season scraping survival, then giving him next year and doubtless ending up in the same place is just too depressing for words.

Admit we made a mistake - and no doubt about it, we did - and move on, but this acceptance of awful, awful football and results has got to stop.

The only other club I think would consider accepting it is Newcastle. Newcastle, FFS, the most laughably chaotic club in the league, and with whom we share the bottom three (along with another shambles, Sunderland).

[Monty]

I'd forgotten that he actually lost the majority of his games last season too. That's sackable alright.

[villadelph]

His ever-touted win ratio is taking a beating. He's doing himself no favors in staying, with the exception of his growing wallet. Like most Villa managers in recent history I don't see him getting another premier league job.

I agree with most of what Paul said, we're shit because of our own doing. Hopefully our next manager is a responsible choice.

[andyh]

That's a great post from Paulie.
It emphasises what I have said before, that yes, we should be thankful we stayed up last year, but let's not paint Sherwood as some great saviour, some great miracle worker.
We won 5 games from when he took over to keep us in the league.
Fortunately, those 5 games were enough to keep us up. We didn't go on some miraculous run of 10 unbeaten or win 59 on the bounce like Leicester did, we just had a few wins.
Part of that I'm sure is down to Lambert NOT being in charge, rather than the Timmy effect. I reckon any manager worth his salt, who was not Paul Lambert could have come in and at least achieved that.

I also think that Benteke returning to form, due to improved fitness, rather than Sherwood was the another main reason we survived. I can't believe Sherwood is some sort of 'striker whisperer' as someone called him, who can magically get the best out of misfiring strikers.
Benteke was not a lost cause, the quality of the player meant that he was always going to start scoring again when his fitness came back.
I think, if he stays, we are in deep shit and destined for the drop.

Sherwood is not all he his cracked up to be (mainly by Tim Sherwood).

[Boz]

His ever-touted win ratio is taking a beating. He's doing himself no favors in staying, with the exception of his growing wallet. Like most Villa managers in recent history I don't see him getting another premier league job.

I agree with most of what Paul said, we're shit because of our own doing. Hopefully our next manager is a responsible choice.

We keep saying this, but it doesn't happen

[cdbearsfan]

I'd love us, just for once, to appoint a manager that leaves rivals jealous thinking "how the fuck did they get him"?

[villadelph]

I'd love us, just for once, to appoint a manager that leaves rivals jealous thinking "how the fuck did they get him"?

Would Ranieri qualify?

[cdbearsfan]

I can't imagine we'd get him now, if that's what you're suggesting? I wasn't massively impressed by Leicester appointing him as I think he's been a bit hit and miss since leaving Chelsea, although I can't say I've watched his career too closely so couldn't say for sure.

I think someone like De Boer, Villas-Boas, the Italian bloke who supports Villa or someone like that would fit the bill.

[Salsa Party Animal]

and say wow what a brilliant manager Aston Villa got and I love watching Aston Villa. So who is available now to appoint apart from Carlos recovering from bad back. 

There must be someone from French Football who can do the job.

[Monty]

I'm very far from convinced by Villas Boas, but if he came in and sorted out the mess Sherwood left it would be very nice indeed.

[cdbearsfan]

René Girard.

Won the league with Montpellier.

[N'ZMAV]

Ranieri will fuck things up.

[N'ZMAV]

Let's sack Sherwood and go for Moyes.

[Mister E]

I think Villa Boas is a busted flush. Sean Dyche would be an interesting but probably a risky choice, and likewise the Bournemouth man. Moyes wpuld not be a bad choice.

I'd go with de Boer.