Poll - Sherwood - got rid

[Vegas]

All fart and no shit would sum up their collective efforts thus far
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Where has this expression come from?  Maybe I'm getting old but it sounds very "try hard" to me.

[Vegas]

Great use of quote functionality there.

[pauliewalnuts]

Great use of quote functionality there.

All quote and no words.

[pauliewalnuts]

The thing that worries me is that it doesn't just look ineffective or uninspiring, it just looks more than a little bit bat-shit mental.

Sherwood showed a few times at Spurs that he acts somewhat strangely under pressure (not quite as strangely as, say, Nigel Pearson, but pretty strange nonetheless), so I am expecting we'll see a fair bit of this.

It is the mentalness of the whole set up that concerns me.

Let's be totally honest, we all know what is going to happen, don't we? It'll get worse and worse and he'll get the sack, possibly too late to save us.

Let's just cut out the months and months of shitness and bin him now. It has been a mistake.

[PeterWithesShin]

The Villa job does seem to beat a lot of managers. Tim is already looking a lot older and more haggard than he did last season.

[SoccerHQ]

Wouldn't say it was a mistake. He didn't relegate us after all which was the easiest thing to do seeing as when he pitched up we couldn't even score a frigging goal. The cup run was a bonus, that Liverpool win was our most complete tactical performance in recent years, same it was a false dawn as the surrender in the final showed.

I actually still respect him for that, by rights we should be a championship side already.

Clearly though he needs removing now for our and his own good, I have little faith he'll turn this round.

When it's all said and done though and I think back to which Villa manager has given me the most embarrasing moments as a Villa fan, Paul Lambert wins that by a landslide, he made us into a joke at Premier league level which I find hard to forget and sadly it's been beyond Sherwood's limited managerial ability to overcome that.

[ozzjim]

The thing that worries me is that it doesn't just look ineffective or uninspiring, it just looks more than a little bit bat-shit mental.

Sherwood showed a few times at Spurs that he acts somewhat strangely under pressure (not quite as strangely as, say, Nigel Pearson, but pretty strange nonetheless), so I am expecting we'll see a fair bit of this.

It is the mentalness of the whole set up that concerns me.

Let's be totally honest, we all know what is going to happen, don't we? It'll get worse and worse and he'll get the sack, possibly too late to save us.

Let's just cut out the months and months of shitness and bin him now. It has been a mistake.

It has if we cling on. If we get shut now, you could argue he has done what we needed and not been able to take us forward, thanks but see you later. Cling on for another 10 games, have say 10 points after 18 games and essentially be relegated and you would have to say it is a monumental fuck up. We are in a window of opportunity to sort it, but they won't.

The worst of it is 15 of us could all play predict the team for Chelsea right now, and I don't reckon 1 of us will get the exact 11.

[Toronto Villa]

with the TV deal now the horizon I think any board that feels that they might lose out will likely act a bit more hastily. Even though the club gave him a four year deal I'd be surprised if it didn't come with a bunch of clauses. Another defeat (and also depending on how badly that defeat is) and they'll be getting very panicky. I don't know if it is a good or bad thing we are playing Chelsea next with all of their problems, but losing to another side in a poor position even if that side are the current champions could spell the end of Sherwood.

[David_Nab]

The result against Liverpool in the semi was as much down to Rodger's setting his team up incorrectly as it was a success by Sherwood..fucking up in that semi is on the list of reasons Rodgers got the bullet.

Sherwood is making same errors he made at Spurs ..poor tactics and doesn't know his best team

Here is a Spurs fan summing up of his flaws ..an seems he has learned nothing

http://www.spursfanatic.com/blog/5-consistent-tactical-errors-tim-sherwood/

[tomd2103]

The Villa job does seem to beat a lot of managers. Tim is already looking a lot older and more haggard than he did last season.

I've mentioned it on here before, but I remember reading John Gregory's autobiography and him speaking about when he got the job.  The first person on the phone when he got it was Arthur Cox who he had previously played for. Cox's first words to him were "You're in the shit now son.  That's not the keys to a corner shop they have have handed you there, it's the keys to a bloody megastore.  Can you handle a megastore?".  I would say that the job has just been too big for our last three managers.

[tomd2103]

The result against Liverpool in the semi was as much down to Rodger's setting his team up incorrectly as it was a success by Sherwood..fucking up in that semi is on the list of reasons Rodgers got the bullet.

Little harsh that.  We played very well that day. 

[OzVilla]

The bottom line is both 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' and Sunderland acted now to maximise the 2 week break and get someone else in to resurrect their seasons.

Currently with a 4 point gap things are far from insurmountable.  However, leaving things as they are for another few games could well mean and 7-10 point gap and then your getting into unchartered waters if you have any hopes of staying up. 

How many decent managers would come to work under Lerner, with the reputation the Villa job has for sinking managerial careers and a 7-10 point gap to bridge - not many would be my guess.  After all, candidates for the Villa job have been uninspiring enough lately without that nightmare scenario.

I've gone from thinking he needed a bit more time to being in the we must act now camp.  It's that simple.

[Dave]

Wouldn't say it was a mistake. He didn't relegate us after all which was the easiest thing to do seeing as when he pitched up we couldn't even score a frigging goal.

The consensus through the last few months of Lambert's tenure was that we had a bunch of semi-competent players - give them somebody who could gee them up a bit better and we'd probably be fine. It's revisionism to suggest that survival last year was some sort of Sherwood-inspired miracle. It was a spluttery push to get us to the hard shoulder of the motorway.

It was absolutely a mistake. Unless you think that there was nobody else who could have both performed semi-competently last season and not been completely shit this season.

[ChicagoLion]

Sherwood is making same errors he made at Spurs ..poor tactics and doesn't know his best team

Here is a Spurs fan summing up of his flaws ..an seems he has learned nothing

http://www.spursfanatic.com/blog/5-consistent-tactical-errors-tim-sherwood/

This is pretty revealing and very good analysis.
So add to the lack of tactics / structure a bunch of new players and you have the disaster we see now.

[KRS]

For anyone with any lingering doubts that he's completely out of his depth and lost the plot, the following comments are not what I want to be hearing from any man in charge of Aston Villa:

“I fret, worry, all of that,” says Sherwood. "But I was having sleepless nights last season when it was going well. It’s part and parcel of the job. I live this job 24-7. I’ve got a family at home and they realise this is me for now.

“If I was a fan I would 100% be frustrated, but I have to tell them that they should try being a manager and putting it right.

“I had a manager in the opposite dugout (Mark Hughes) who hasn’t had it his own way at every club but he’s come through and stuck to his beliefs. That’s exactly what Tim Sherwood will be doing.”

It was a 2-1 home defeat against Stoke in February when Sherwood made his debut as manager. There’s been an FA Cup final on the way - but in Sherwood’s 21 league games Villa have got only 20 points.

He admits he doesn’t know his best team and some players he signed in a major revamp have yet to come to terms with their new jobs.

“I don’t think it is a lack of effort, everyone gives everything, I just think there’s not a spark,” says Sherwood.

“I keep changing the systems and formations in search of that spark.

“ But the games are ticking off and we need to start winning. I can turn it around. I know I can and I will.

“This is a work in progress, but I don’t expect the fans to be patient.

“I don’t want to insult their intelligence. They’re coming here to have a day out. They bring their families and they want to be entertained and want to win matches.

“It could get worse before it gets better.

“I need to find a team that can go to Stamford Bridge and not be scared, put up a fight and be brave on the pitch.

“I am learning about these players. They train hard and they are good lads but we need some men to come out of the woodwork.”

Source

The same article includes this incredible insightful observation:

If he doesn’t find answers soon, Sherwood could be the man who finally takes Villa down after 28 years in the top flight of English football and unbroken Premier League membership.

“I’d rather be in the bottom three now, with eight games gone and a new squad bedding in, than with eight games to go,” says Sherwood.

But then he warns: “We will be in the bottom three with eight games to go if we don’t pick up points now and that’s why the clock is ticking.”

...no shit Sherlock Sherwood!