Poll - Sherwood - got rid

[RussellC]

How anyone can accuse our fan base of being fickle after the easy ride the last two numpties have got is beyond belief.

The lack of patience with Sherwood is in part driven by coming so close to going down, partly because we'd been to accommodating and accepting of all the bullshit and lies.  There's just no appetite for it amongst a good proportion of people looking at the poll so far.

So the lack of patience afforded to Sherwood is due to the performances of his predecessors? And that seems fair to you?

As for fickleness, I re-iterate my point; I lost count of the number of "We've signed the wrong Ayew" comments I've read and heard this season. Skip forward a week and Sherwood's being criticised for leaving him on the bench!

It's September. We're nearly 25 pages into a thread about sacking the Manager and I've not seen one realistic suggestion of a emplacement who would justify the cost and upheaval. If that's not knee-jerk then I don't know what is.

[Chico Hamilton III]

I know this is probably a knee-jerk reaction and proof that O'Leary was right we are all fickle etc etc

We really, really are though aren't we? I've lost count of the number of our 'supporters' that wrote Jordan Ayew off after a few substitute appearances, only to come full circle after a good half in the League Cup and then criticise the Manager for not starting him away at Anfield.

Same goes for Gestede. Loads of our fans had written him-off as not good enough for the Premiership. It's September for Christ's sake. Everybody needs to calm down. Collectively, we're starting to sound worryingly similar to West Ham or Newcastle fans.

I don't get this "we're all fickle" nonsense, as if it's unique to Villa fans. Liverpool fans, Newcastle fans, Sunderland fans all seem to be in the same boat as us at the moment, in terms of being unhappy with their managers, yet they're loyal, knowledgeable and passionate while we're fickle.

I'd give him until January to see if there are any signs of improvement and if there's none, get rid of him. I remember people on here saying that successful clubs remain loyal to their managers, using Man United as their example. Well man United kept Moyes for less than a season before they realised things would not improve so they acted quickly and sacked him.

The period last season in between beating the Albion twice and beating Liverpool were fantastic and Sherwood deserves major credit for his sheer will to win games ( which, looking back, covered up for his lack of tactical nous). Who would have thought, only a month before, that there'd be the sort of scenes at Villa Park and Wembley that we usually only discuss in the "Villa Memories" thread on this site. But positive thinking and talking big in the media can only carry us so far before we start to need some real management.

And he's not a Cockney chancer, he's a Hertfordshire chancer, get it right. You wouldn't call Lenny Henry a shit Brummie comedian would you?

[olaftab]

Tell us who would be the man for you, seriously. If some of us are going to defend him, we ought to know who his critics would prefer.

Fair question but one that I can not answer others may well have a name. Frankly I don't know I am a fairly simple passionate supporter of this great Club. At work if I  had to replace one of my managers I will know exactly what I am looking. I normally  have a list of potentials permanently in my mind just in case and it's not necessarily people I like and get on well with. I hope Fox and O'Reilly are calculating and  single minded in protecting us and have a list of potential coaches,from any where is the world, who could take over.

[RussellC]

I know this is probably a knee-jerk reaction and proof that O'Leary was right we are all fickle etc etc

We really, really are though aren't we? I've lost count of the number of our 'supporters' that wrote Jordan Ayew off after a few substitute appearances, only to come full circle after a good half in the League Cup and then criticise the Manager for not starting him away at Anfield.

Same goes for Gestede. Loads of our fans had written him-off as not good enough for the Premiership. It's September for Christ's sake. Everybody needs to calm down. Collectively, we're starting to sound worryingly similar to West Ham or Newcastle fans.

I don't get this "we're all fickle" nonsense, as if it's unique to Villa fans. Liverpool fans, Newcastle fans, Sunderland fans all seem to be in the same boat as us at the moment, in terms of being unhappy with their managers, yet they're loyal, knowledgeable and passionate while we're fickle.

I'm not suggesting that it's unique to Villa fans, hence my reference to Newcastle and West Ham. I could have picked from any number of clubs really. In general, I reckon we're probably as bad as most of them in that regard.

[Chico Hamilton III]

Yeah, fair point, RussellC. I probably shouldn't have attached my rant to your post. I was really having a go at the people on here who lazily refer to O'Leary's quote about us. He was referring to us as fickle because we were pointing out his shortcomings. 

[RussellC]

Yeah, fair point, RussellC. I probably shouldn't have attached my rant to your post. I was really having a go at the people on here who lazily refer to O'Leary's quote about us. He was referring to us as fickle because we were pointing out his shortcomings. 

Fair enough Chico, and i agree with your point about DOL - where he was concerned I think we were all in agreement as to the best course of action!

[pauliewalnuts]

I know this is probably a knee-jerk reaction and proof that O'Leary was right we are all fickle etc etc

We really, really are though aren't we? I've lost count of the number of our 'supporters' that wrote Jordan Ayew off after a few substitute appearances, only to come full circle after a good half in the League Cup and then criticise the Manager for not starting him away at Anfield.

Same goes for Gestede. Loads of our fans had written him-off as not good enough for the Premiership. It's September for Christ's sake. Everybody needs to calm down. Collectively, we're starting to sound worryingly similar to West Ham or Newcastle fans.

I think you're mistaking football supporters having an opinion with them being fickle.

You mention Newcastle fans as an example of this, but how are they fickle when 50,000 of them turn up every other week to see a team that actually has an even worse record than us over the last couple of years?

Supporters have always been like this - hating a player one week, loving him the next, that's just the way it is, and that's the way it is at *all* clubs, we are no sort of exception.

If there has been a change in modern years in that possibly supporters are less supportive or patient than they were 30 years ago then that is almost certainly a reflection of the fact that the relationships between clubs and fans has changed so much in that regard. Ask supporters to fork out 40 odd quid a ticket, 600 quid a season ticket, rather than the sums we used to pay and of course the relationship between them and their club changes.

Villa fans are no different to anyone else. In fact, if we do stand out in any way, it is in the fact that we have for four or five years watched a club with one the most abysmal records in any of the top leagues, so if people are deciding they've had enough of what they have seen, that is almost certainly going to be a contributing factor.

Yet somehow, despite managing to string together a pathetic total of 20 home league wins in five years, we still get 35k plus every other week. How is that fickle?

No, it isn't fair to blame Sherwood for the Lambert years, you're right, but it also is not possible to expect supporters to pretend that the last four years of eyeball-meltingly shit, spirit sapping, pathetically embarrassing "football'" we've had inflicted on us hasn't happened, because it has.

Let's also not forget that Sherwood was a contentious appointment in the first place. There were plenty of us who thought it was a mistake at the time. I certainly did. Yes, I liked it when he kept us up (although there's a limit to how much joy I'll take from finishing 17th), and I liked the FAC semi final too, all of that was good, but beyond that I look at what he has done and I see precisely the same problems I thought we'd have when we appointed him.

I don't mind admitting, I would sack him now. I said it was a stupid appointment when we made it, and I haven't been convinced otherwise since then.

[Risso]

I know this is probably a knee-jerk reaction and proof that O'Leary was right we are all fickle etc etc

We really, really are though aren't we? I've lost count of the number of our 'supporters' that wrote Jordan Ayew off after a few substitute appearances, only to come full circle after a good half in the League Cup and then criticise the Manager for not starting him away at Anfield.

Same goes for Gestede. Loads of our fans had written him-off as not good enough for the Premiership. It's September for Christ's sake. Everybody needs to calm down. Collectively, we're starting to sound worryingly similar to West Ham or Newcastle fans.

I don't worry about what other fans think of us. All fans want what's best for their team, and I can't believe anybody would be different after 5 years of such chronic under performance.  So no, we're not fickle at all, just monumentally pissed off that we're in for yet another season of dire struggle.

[RussellC]

Tell us who would be the man for you, seriously. If some of us are going to defend him, we ought to know who his critics would prefer.

Fair question but one that I can not answer others may well have a name. Frankly I don't know I am a fairly simple passionate supporter of this great Club. At work if I  had to replace one of my managers I will know exactly what I am looking. I normally  have a list of potentials permanently in my mind just in case and it's not necessarily people I like and get on well with. I hope Fox and O'Reilly are calculating and  single minded in protecting us and have a list of potential coaches,from any where is the world, who could take over.

But it's that kind of flippancy that destroys the whole case for getting rid of Sherwood, IMO. You want to sack him 7 games into the season but have no idea who you'd replace him with?

We've spent an absolute fortune on sacking and replacing Management teams under Lerner's stewardship. We've just had a summer with greater player-turnaround than ever before.  Now, more than ever, the club is crying out for some stability and patience.

[pauliewalnuts]

I know this is probably a knee-jerk reaction and proof that O'Leary was right we are all fickle etc etc

We really, really are though aren't we? I've lost count of the number of our 'supporters' that wrote Jordan Ayew off after a few substitute appearances, only to come full circle after a good half in the League Cup and then criticise the Manager for not starting him away at Anfield.

Same goes for Gestede. Loads of our fans had written him-off as not good enough for the Premiership. It's September for Christ's sake. Everybody needs to calm down. Collectively, we're starting to sound worryingly similar to West Ham or Newcastle fans.

I don't worry about what other fans think of us. All fans want what's best for their team, and I can't believe anybody would be different after 5 years of such chronic under performance.  So no, we're not fickle at all, just monumentally pissed off that we're in for yet another season of dire struggle.

You bastard, you've just communicated my point exactly in two succinct lines rather than my rambling splurge!

[RussellC]

I know this is probably a knee-jerk reaction and proof that O'Leary was right we are all fickle etc etc

We really, really are though aren't we? I've lost count of the number of our 'supporters' that wrote Jordan Ayew off after a few substitute appearances, only to come full circle after a good half in the League Cup and then criticise the Manager for not starting him away at Anfield.

Same goes for Gestede. Loads of our fans had written him-off as not good enough for the Premiership. It's September for Christ's sake. Everybody needs to calm down. Collectively, we're starting to sound worryingly similar to West Ham or Newcastle fans.

I don't worry about what other fans think of us. All fans want what's best for their team, and I can't believe anybody would be different after 5 years of such chronic under performance.  So no, we're not fickle at all, just monumentally pissed off that we're in for It's September. We're nearly 25 pages into a thread about sacking the Manager.

But it's September. Applying the same logic by which you've concluded that we're "in for yet another season of dire struggle" we're also going to win the League Cup, so at least we'll have European football to look forward to next season.

[SamTheMouse]

The signings have been pretty good, I don't think anyone would argue with that. But what's concerning is that he doesn't appear to know what he wants to do with them. Maybe one of the reasons they're taking so much time to gel is because they're getting confused messages.

[pauliewalnuts]

The signings have been pretty good, I don't think anyone would argue with that. But what's concerning is that he doesn't appear to know what he wants to do with them. Maybe one of the reasons they're taking so much time to gel is because they're getting confused messages.

Spot on.

What do people think the message was in the first half against Small Heath ('all part of my plan'), for example? Or Leicester ('not because of my tactics') for that matter?

[LeeB]

Tell us who would be the man for you, seriously. If some of us are going to defend him, we ought to know who his critics would prefer.

This really. Sacking the bloke is the easy part.

I'm not advocating change, but Marcelo Biesla.

Not so sure - the way he left Marseilles was very MON-esque

That would be the only characteristic they would share.
Biesla is a crazy genius. I think we could do with a crazy genius in charge.

[Vegas]

Are they really taking "so much time to gel"? We signed near enough an entire team, some of them after a couple of league games, so we've had the complete squad together for what, 5 games? And one or two of the more promising ones haven't been available much.

if we haven't got a reasonably settled line up with a more defined style of play by Christmas I'll be worried and critical of progress, but not yet, nowhere near yet.