Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread

[Smirker]

Minor gripe: could whoever starts the post- match thread please include the score line in the thread title for the benefit of us ex-pats who come on here as our first news source. Thanks.

Thought we'd ship a few in this game and lose. Was fearing 2 or 3 nil, so mildly heartening we scored a couple too. I always record villa games on fox sports when it's a featured game, but never watch if we lose. Sounds as if we chucked away a good opportunity yesterday.

Or even into the thread title.

I'll do it if I'm on straight after games.

[KRS]

this team needs time to gel but it isn't the players causing the problem it's the manager. I thought with his positive attitude he would be like a breath of fresh air pity he turns out to be tactically clueless.

It wasn't the managers tactics that caused us to concede after 70 seconds against Liverpool. It wasn't the managers tactics that caused the fuck up that lead to Palace winning the game in the last minute. It wasn't the managers tactics that caused the equaliser or miss chance after chance against Sunderland. On the other hand...I do blame the manager for the capitulation against Leicester (despite numerous players making mistakes), the non-performance against Baggies and setting the team to sit deep/attempt to defend/frustrate against Liverpool when it would have been more frustrating for them if we'd have gone at them.

[pbavfckuwait]

Got so much to say , but just cant be arsed, same old same old every fucking week.

[mr underhill]

I know how you feel; atrophy has taken over

[ROBBO]

this team needs time to gel but it isn't the players causing the problem it's the manager. I thought with his positive attitude he would be like a breath of fresh air pity he turns out to be tactically clueless.

It wasn't the managers tactics that caused us to concede after 70 seconds against Liverpool. It wasn't the managers tactics that caused the fuck up that lead to Palace winning the game in the last minute. It wasn't the managers tactics that caused the equaliser or miss chance after chance against Sunderland. On the other hand...I do blame the manager for the capitulation against Leicester (despite numerous players making mistakes), the non-performance against Baggies and setting the team to sit deep/attempt to defend/frustrate against Liverpool when it would have been more frustrating for them if we'd have gone at them.

He sent us out to play the game in our half of the pitch against a side that has huge defensive weaknesses even after they scored early he still has us playing deep, only after they scored their second did he change the tactics. I think we have bought some very useful players we should be getting a better return.

[E I Adio]

this team needs time to gel but it isn't the players causing the problem it's the manager. I thought with his positive attitude he would be like a breath of fresh air pity he turns out to be tactically clueless.

It wasn't the managers tactics that caused us to concede after 70 seconds against Liverpool. It wasn't the managers tactics that caused the fuck up that lead to Palace winning the game in the last minute. It wasn't the managers tactics that caused the equaliser or miss chance after chance against Sunderland. On the other hand...I do blame the manager for the capitulation against Leicester (despite numerous players making mistakes), the non-performance against Baggies and setting the team to sit deep/attempt to defend/frustrate against Liverpool when it would have been more frustrating for them if we'd have gone at them.

He sent us out to play the game in our half of the pitch against a side that has huge defensive weaknesses even after they scored early he still has us playing deep, only after they scored their second did he change the tactics. I think we have bought some very useful players we should be getting a better return.

Yes, I agree. I can't help thinking that the Leicester game remains as a lasting impression on Sherwood and had some bearing on how he planned for Liverpool. Dominating Leicester so completely from the start and for such a long period, only to inexplicably collapse when the game should have been easily won highlighted the brittle confidence of the team that day. But setting the team up to initially contain and frustrate the Liverpool, before switching to a more attacking style is ok if the opposition don't score almost from the kick off. Deciding to stick with Plan A until we were two down was a very poor error of judgement.

[PeterWithe]

A good day out.

Not read anyone else's thoughts yet but for me 3.2 flattered us immensely, to start with that team was fair enough but conceding so quickly derailed us and we didn't change anything quickly enough.

The spell where we did have a bit of pressure was pretty short lived but credit to Gested for his goals, the second one being magnificent, I'm still far from convinced that his all round play is anywhere near good enough but if keeps scoring he'll keep playing.

Finally Traore, a massive, untamed talent but there is something about the way he carries himself, his body shape that leads me to suspect we'll rarely see a long run of games from him. Just something that nags at me.

Overall, we got what we deserved.

[john e]

I'd feel a lot happier Sherwood leaving if Alardyce finds a new club first

[PaulWinch again]

Just rubbish again.

[Olof's Beard]

Well, we were utter shite and deserved to lose by more despite the fact that Liverpool were junk themselves. Far too defensive, far too deep - all we needed to do was press them high in the first twenty minutes, force some mistakes and get the crowd anxious but we played like we were scared of them. I also don't understand how a team with 9 players behind the ball can consistently leave so much space around the sides. One pass and Liverpool usually had a free run at our byline.

Richards had his worst game yet and is going backwards, Lescott was terrible. Hutton was the Hutton of old - utter shite. Amavi does have a good cross in him but looks like his confidence is draining as we lose every week. Gana had a complete nightmare and presumably wasn't fully fit - he gave the ball away constantly and only got punished for the 3rd goal. Westwood was non-existent, Sanchez was the best of a bad bunch again but always gets hooked anyway

Sinclair might score a few goals but he is a shadow of the player he was a Swansea. He lacks purpose when running with the ball, there's no aggression or confidence. I don't know why he stayed on. And why not give Ayew a run while his confidence is high - we didn't make our three subs and left players who could have made a difference on the bench.

Fair play to Gestede - he offers very little in general play but clearly knows where the goal is, much like Kozak really.

Individually I do feel like we have good players but we are still a really soft touch and the manager looks clueless. He tries to be clever tactically but gets it wrong because he doesn't have the brain for it.

[PeterWithe]

Seven games in is far too early to be thinking about a change of manager, he's made mistakes, they all do but I wouldn't be even considering another manager.

[four fornicholl]

it is getting very very worrying though

[PeterWithe]

I wouldn't  necessarily knock any of the forward players, they were so isolated that whenever they did get possession they were immediately surrounded by three big Liverpool players with the nearest support somewhere over the horizon.

As an aside that new stand at Anfield is chuffing massive, the back seats will be in a different postcode to the rest of the ground, a steward told me the Season Tickets will be double the price as you'll be able to watch Everton from up there as well.

[Clampy]

Seven games in is far too early to be thinking about a change of manager, he's made mistakes, they all do but I wouldn't be even considering another manager.

No, neither would I.

[Rudy65]

The Cockney Barry Fry.

Barry Fry is a cockney!