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Re: International Rugby
« Reply #2925 on: February 21, 2020, 11:30:05 AM »
England starting XV
15 Elliot Daly (Saracens, 41 caps)
14 Jonny May (Leicester Tigers, 54 caps)
13 Manu Tuilagi (Leicester Tigers, 41 caps)
12 Owen Farrell (Saracens, 81 caps) C
11 Jonathan Joseph (Bath Rugby, 49 caps)
10 George Ford (Leicester Tigers, 67 caps)
9 Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 97 caps)
1 Joe Marler (Harlequins, 69 caps)
2 Jamie George (Saracens, 47 caps)
3 Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins, 33 caps)
4 Maro Itoje (Saracens, 36 caps)
5 George Kruis (Saracens, 43 caps)
6 Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints, 83 caps)
7 Sam Underhill (Bath Rugby, 17 caps)
8 Tom Curry (Sale Sharks, 21 caps)

Finishers
16 Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs, 22 caps)
17 Ellis Genge (Leicester Tigers, 16 caps)
18 Will Stuart (Bath Rugby, 1 cap)
19 Joe Launchbury (Wasps, 63 caps)
20 Charlie Ewels (Bath Rugby, 13 caps)
21 Ben Earl (Saracens, 1 cap)
22 Willi Heinz (Gloucester Rugby, 11 caps)
23 Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs, 27 caps)

I like Jones in a lot of ways, and he's earned the right to pick the team he wants but, to me, that backline is fucking disgrace.

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Re: International Rugby
« Reply #2926 on: February 21, 2020, 11:37:15 AM »
An outside half at centre, a centre on the wing, a wing at full back, a lock at flanker and a flanker at No. 8   ::)


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Re: International Rugby
« Reply #2927 on: February 21, 2020, 11:45:31 AM »
An outside half at centre, a centre on the wing, a wing at full back, a lock at flanker and a flanker at No. 8   ::)

and no outside back on the bench to accommodate a 2nd lock on the bench. He's out of contract at the end of the year and that team looks like he's decided he wants to leave.

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Re: International Rugby
« Reply #2928 on: February 21, 2020, 12:02:51 PM »
An outside half at centre, a centre on the wing, a wing at full back, a lock at flanker and a flanker at No. 8   ::)

and no outside back on the bench to accommodate a 2nd lock on the bench. He's out of contract at the end of the year and that team looks like he's decided he wants to leave.

I think Jones has until 2022.

Youngs back in the starting 15, Curry is not an 8.

Nice to see Manu back.

Should have enough about them to see off Ireland you'd think.

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Re: International Rugby
« Reply #2929 on: February 21, 2020, 12:40:12 PM »
Just checked and he's contracted until the end of next season, I thought it was January. Either way both Jones and the RFU have been pretty cagey about the plans after that.

That said I was mostly being sarcastic, this team is all about his ego, he's decided that players are better in other positions and he'll keep picking them their regardless of whether it's working. It's the same as him deciding that Robson and Cipriani weren't for him and ignoring them other than a few token appearances to shut people up.

As for the game I honestly don't know, Daly isn't great under the high ball and they have 2 superb kickers at 9 and 10 and then they have bags of pace out wide and we have a centre on the wing. I also think Stander is a top drawer 8 so I don't understand us deciding to not bother having one ourselves.

This, to me, looks a lot like the world cup final where he hasn't picked a team to suit the opposition at all. I just can't work out what he wants the team to be or how he intends us to play.

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Re: International Rugby
« Reply #2930 on: February 21, 2020, 12:54:15 PM »
Urgh Joseph on the wing.

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Re: International Rugby
« Reply #2931 on: February 22, 2020, 06:34:43 PM »
How are Wales not winning this?

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Re: International Rugby
« Reply #2932 on: February 23, 2020, 08:16:11 AM »
Wales v France was a great game to watch.

Ntamack is probably the best Outside Half at the moment.

Italy v Scotland was two poor teams playing very poorly

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Re: International Rugby
« Reply #2933 on: February 23, 2020, 11:00:58 AM »
I'm not sure about that claim about Ntamack. He's a very good 10 but he's got a monster pack and world class 9 in front of him.

Yesterday he was given the easiest of armchair rides I've seen in years for about an hour. At one point the commentators were taking the piss that he'd bossed the game and hadn't broken a sweat.

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Re: International Rugby
« Reply #2934 on: February 23, 2020, 02:58:58 PM »
Right, come on England, on balance we should be looking at a big win here but some dicking around with selection by Jones means it'll be much closer than it should be, I just hope we have enough to get the win still. JJ on the wing worries me massively, nothing looks right about that selection to me.

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Re: International Rugby
« Reply #2935 on: February 23, 2020, 03:47:30 PM »
Got to give them credit. Completely dominating the physical battle in that 1st half  the odd occasion that Ireland have had the ball they've been smashed back by a white wall time after time.

You look at that, then think back to the 1st half against France and think WTF.

Ireland very lucky to only be 17 behind.

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Re: International Rugby
« Reply #2936 on: February 23, 2020, 03:51:25 PM »
Agree with that, we've bossed it in the forwards and Lawes, Itoje and Underhill have completely dominated Murray and Sexton, to the point where I can't think of seeing Sexton have a worse performance than this.

That said the reason it's only 17 is largely because of how disjointed we look in the backs. Lets be honest we can thank 2 kind bounces for this scoreline.

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Re: International Rugby
« Reply #2937 on: February 23, 2020, 03:52:46 PM »
Lets be honest we can thank 2 kind bounces for this scoreline.
That's a fair point.  But we have nevertheless been the best side by miles so far.

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Re: International Rugby
« Reply #2938 on: February 23, 2020, 03:57:54 PM »
Completely agree, we've been dominant, but we haven't created much for all the territory and possession we've had. May is probably the most dangerous winger in the world and I can't think of him being given the ball with any space to hit, right now we seem to have decided to play around aggressive defence and lots of 50/50 kicking. With 3 1/2 years to build to the next world cup I'd like to see a bit more than that whilst we have time on our side.

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Re: International Rugby
« Reply #2939 on: February 23, 2020, 04:53:21 PM »
So so frustrating to give away a needless try at the end. Scoreline doesn't reflect the dominance England had.

 


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