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Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
« Reply #360 on: October 03, 2015, 11:27:41 PM »
Launchbury man of the match.

At least it has ended on a high note.....

Totally anonymous and outclassed - extremely over-hyped player who is in fact very average

Disagree. He's been out for a year, but fully fit and on form he's a brilliant player.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
« Reply #361 on: October 03, 2015, 11:29:15 PM »
It is a shame for Lancaster, ultimately his pragmitism has ruined him. If he'd stayed the course with Ford as his starting 10 I bet we would have gone through the group.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
« Reply #362 on: October 03, 2015, 11:31:18 PM »
Farrell shouldn't just be discarded. He's a world class kicker and should be developed.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
« Reply #363 on: October 03, 2015, 11:35:42 PM »
Prince Harry and William arent good talismen

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
« Reply #364 on: October 04, 2015, 03:02:54 AM »
Shame that the FIFA rules didn't apply: host always gets a free pass into the second round.

But the IRB is not above reproach because the rules seem to arbitrarily revolve around whether the elites will gain an advantage or not on any given play.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
« Reply #365 on: October 04, 2015, 03:53:42 AM »
what about Sherwood taking over the rugby team and Lancaster the football team....


can't be any worse than it already is........can it?

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
« Reply #366 on: October 04, 2015, 08:37:57 AM »
We need to learn that whilst character and culture are very important we also need to have a game plan and players who are specialists in their positions.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
« Reply #367 on: October 04, 2015, 09:56:56 AM »
For me, the writing was on the wall when Lancaster was asked if the team were ready. 'I think so' was the reply.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
« Reply #368 on: October 04, 2015, 12:58:20 PM »
Farrell shouldn't just be discarded. He's a world class place kicker and should be developed.

Fixed, his tactical kicking is every bit as bad as his passing.  He a more extreme version of Mike Brown, perfectly competent when everything is scripted but as soon as there is a decision to make he either freezes or gets it wrong.

For me, the writing was on the wall when Lancaster was asked if the team were ready. 'I think so' was the reply.

The writing was on the wall when Lancaster got the job on the back of not being terrible as the caretaker, when the England coach has more experience teaching history than he does coaching rugby you know it's not going to end well.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
« Reply #369 on: October 04, 2015, 07:14:25 PM »
We have problems all over to sort. The front row and back row aren't good enough currently. The centre pairing hasn't worked and we had the wrong fly half starting.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
« Reply #370 on: October 04, 2015, 08:08:06 PM »
We have problems all over to sort. The front row and back row aren't good enough currently. The centre pairing hasn't worked and we had the wrong fly half starting.

Front Row - Marler can't scrummage, Youngs can't hook, Webber can't hook or throw, Mako can't scrummage.  We're ok on the other side, Cole is a good player and Brookes will be superb by 2019.
Second Row - Parling isn't good enough, We need to get Itoje into the mix, him Lawes and Launchbury are the match day 3.
Back Row - 8 we're fine with Morgan and Billy, add Ewers and the depth is there, we need a proper 7, the experiment has failed so let's get a proper one in.
Half Backs - Ben Youngs has failed in 2 world cups, lets move on, Simpson and Robson should get a chance. Farrell needs to learn how to play 10, there's more to it than kicking from a tee.
Centres - the primary requirement now needs to be a pairing who can both be involved in attacking play, hopefully Burgess will get a year or 2 of playing 12 under his belt and become the player we wanted but for now he needs to go to his club and learn the game. Barritt should be consigned to pile of truly awful centres to have played for England in the last 12 years (jaime fucking noon top of the list).
Outside backs - Brown needs to improve his decision making, he gets caught on his own too often and puts in some god awful kicks, a couple of tries and lots of metres gained can't excuse him of the mistakes he's made int he last 2-3 years.  The wings are ok, lets work out how to get them ball in space (it starts with replacements at 7 and 9).

Coaches - A bit of fitness work and set-piece work is fine, making that your sole focus makes you predictable and leaves the players unable to make good decisions in broken field play or in later phases of possession, kicking the fucking thing away should be much further down the list than it has been.  On top of that we need to focus on the basics, at club and country level you need 23 players who can all catch and pass, you need most of those 23 to be willing and capable of securing ball at the ruck, if you train without a proper 7 you never learn how to deal with one in a game so lets get a couple of nasty bastards in who do everything to slow the ruck down and kill the ball. Lets concentrate on hookers learning to throw and hook so the set piece is secure enough that we keep our own ball, we don't have to trundle them 5yards back on every scrum.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
« Reply #371 on: October 05, 2015, 07:41:34 AM »
We have problems all over to sort. The front row and back row aren't good enough currently. The centre pairing hasn't worked and we had the wrong fly half starting.

Front Row - Marler can't scrummage, Youngs can't hook, Webber can't hook or throw, Mako can't scrummage.  We're ok on the other side, Cole is a good player and Brookes will be superb by 2019.
Second Row - Parling isn't good enough, We need to get Itoje into the mix, him Lawes and Launchbury are the match day 3.
Back Row - 8 we're fine with Morgan and Billy, add Ewers and the depth is there, we need a proper 7, the experiment has failed so let's get a proper one in.
Half Backs - Ben Youngs has failed in 2 world cups, lets move on, Simpson and Robson should get a chance. Farrell needs to learn how to play 10, there's more to it than kicking from a tee.
Centres - the primary requirement now needs to be a pairing who can both be involved in attacking play, hopefully Burgess will get a year or 2 of playing 12 under his belt and become the player we wanted but for now he needs to go to his club and learn the game. Barritt should be consigned to pile of truly awful centres to have played for England in the last 12 years (jaime fucking noon top of the list).
Outside backs - Brown needs to improve his decision making, he gets caught on his own too often and puts in some god awful kicks, a couple of tries and lots of metres gained can't excuse him of the mistakes he's made int he last 2-3 years.  The wings are ok, lets work out how to get them ball in space (it starts with replacements at 7 and 9).

Coaches - A bit of fitness work and set-piece work is fine, making that your sole focus makes you predictable and leaves the players unable to make good decisions in broken field play or in later phases of possession, kicking the fucking thing away should be much further down the list than it has been.  On top of that we need to focus on the basics, at club and country level you need 23 players who can all catch and pass, you need most of those 23 to be willing and capable of securing ball at the ruck, if you train without a proper 7 you never learn how to deal with one in a game so lets get a couple of nasty bastards in who do everything to slow the ruck down and kill the ball. Lets concentrate on hookers learning to throw and hook so the set piece is secure enough that we keep our own ball, we don't have to trundle them 5yards back on every scrum.

The problem with Burgess is at Bath they'd prefer him to be in the back row.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
« Reply #372 on: October 05, 2015, 08:22:50 AM »

The problem with Burgess is at Bath they'd prefer him to be in the back row.

The problem with Burgess is that he doesn't know how to play proper Rugby.

How he became a star in the Northern Game is beyond me.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
« Reply #373 on: October 05, 2015, 09:03:40 AM »

The problem with Burgess is at Bath they'd prefer him to be in the back row.

The problem with Burgess is that he doesn't know how to play proper Rugby.

How he became a star in the Northern Game is beyond me.

I assume the second part of your comment is tongue in cheek. He is a phenomenal League player. I feel sorry for him as he has been given no time to bed in at all. I think league forwards have a greater transition time than the backs due to the technical aspect of forward play. To turn a forward into a back only complicates it more.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2015
« Reply #374 on: October 05, 2015, 09:24:48 AM »

The problem with Burgess is at Bath they'd prefer him to be in the back row.

The problem with Burgess is that he doesn't know how to play proper Rugby.

How he became a star in the Northern Game is beyond me.

I assume the second part of your comment is tongue in cheek. He is a phenomenal League player. I feel sorry for him as he has been given no time to bed in at all. I think league forwards have a greater transition time than the backs due to the technical aspect of forward play. To turn a forward into a back only complicates it more.

Semi tongue-in-cheek. Based on what I've seen of Burgess playing Union, its difficult for me to see what made him a stand-out League player.

You might of guessed that I'm not a fan of League. I struggle to watch more than a few minutes without yelling "for fecks sake, get up in support of the ball carrier and make yourself available for a pass".

 


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