Tiago Ilori (update 2017 - signs for Reading)

[ChicagoLion]

Well said Paulie.

[adrenachrome]

I wonder how many divisions below you would have to dive before we were not bottom. 

[pauliewalnuts]

I wonder how many divisions below you would have to dive before we were not bottom. 

I don't know but I'd expect there'd be someone around pretty soon after to tell us all shortly after how it wasn't that bad.

[Jimbo]

I wonder how many divisions below you would have to dive before we were not bottom. 

Or leagues around Europe or the rest of the world.

[Toronto Villa]

Of course it isn't. A league of leagues is pretty straightforward and if Blues or Albion were at the bottom we'd all be having a good laugh at their expense.

it's nonsense because not every club plays each other. Or are you saying that if we did play every club in this hypothetical 92 team league we'd be bottom? Because, and just my opinion, that would be the most nonsensical thing ever considered on here and we've had some doozies.

No, what that statistic (and table) shows is that of the 94 clubs considered, we had the lowest points per match return over a period of one calendar year of all of them.

If you approach it as some sort of proof that Aldershot or Small Heath are miles better than us because theirs is higher, then no, of course it doesn't have any value, but that's really not the point, is it? The point is that it is really pretty fucking shocking.

I think a lot of us are at risk of entering a new stage of denial at the moment, trying to convince ourselves that actually, getting relegated isn't horrible, or having less than 10 points at Christmas isn't humiliatingly embarassing - I reckon we are going to see plenty of that in the approaching weeks and months.

The fact is, though - and it is a fact - our performance has been statistically horrific for a long time now.

In fact, if I had to think of one really impressive thing about this whole club over the last five years, it would be that somehow - and honestly, fuck knows how we have managed this - we haven't actually already been relegated.

The table is utterly irrelevant as a statical measure of anything. The only table that matters in the PL table. Showing that we 8 points versus Yeovil who have 14 is completely meaningless unless Yeovil have either played the same teams as us, or are playing in the PL. If you are trying to make the point that we are shit, save your breath and fingers because we all know. You don't need a made up table to prove that.

No it isn't.

It shows the points gained per match for each club across all divisions, and we're at the bottom of it.

It is not possible to support a professional team in this country who have won fewer points per game this year than we have - that tells a fucking awful story.

Try telling the poor fuckers stood at Norwich the other day, or the poor bastards that follow us all around the country that it doesn't mean anything, for example.

Try telling them that the fact their club has - statistically - provided a lower return to them for their support than any other club in the four divisions has, and see if they think it's irrelevant.

It tells the story that we have utterly shit against opponents at our level. Nothing else. That we have scored less points than a team in league 2 is meaningless. Are we any worse off than Yeovil Town who are sat bottom of league 2, on 6 more points having played 5 more games? Just because statistically they have more points per game. How about their fans? You're coming across as massively angry over this. I really don't see what the point is in creating a new table just make your blood boil. Isn't the obvious enough for you?

[Toronto Villa]

I wonder how many divisions below you would have to dive before we were not bottom. 

I don't know but I'd expect there'd be someone around pretty soon after to tell us all shortly after how it wasn't that bad.

who on here has said things aren't that bad? Because I would bet nobody is claiming that.

[ChicagoLion]

I wonder how many divisions below you would have to dive before we were not bottom. 

I don't know but I'd expect there'd be someone around pretty soon after to tell us all shortly after how it wasn't that bad.

who on here has said things aren't that bad? Because I would bet nobody is claiming that.

Bingo

[pauliewalnuts]

Of course it isn't. A league of leagues is pretty straightforward and if Blues or Albion were at the bottom we'd all be having a good laugh at their expense.

it's nonsense because not every club plays each other. Or are you saying that if we did play every club in this hypothetical 92 team league we'd be bottom? Because, and just my opinion, that would be the most nonsensical thing ever considered on here and we've had some doozies.

No, what that statistic (and table) shows is that of the 94 clubs considered, we had the lowest points per match return over a period of one calendar year of all of them.

If you approach it as some sort of proof that Aldershot or Small Heath are miles better than us because theirs is higher, then no, of course it doesn't have any value, but that's really not the point, is it? The point is that it is really pretty fucking shocking.

I think a lot of us are at risk of entering a new stage of denial at the moment, trying to convince ourselves that actually, getting relegated isn't horrible, or having less than 10 points at Christmas isn't humiliatingly embarassing - I reckon we are going to see plenty of that in the approaching weeks and months.

The fact is, though - and it is a fact - our performance has been statistically horrific for a long time now.

In fact, if I had to think of one really impressive thing about this whole club over the last five years, it would be that somehow - and honestly, fuck knows how we have managed this - we haven't actually already been relegated.

The table is utterly irrelevant as a statical measure of anything. The only table that matters in the PL table. Showing that we 8 points versus Yeovil who have 14 is completely meaningless unless Yeovil have either played the same teams as us, or are playing in the PL. If you are trying to make the point that we are shit, save your breath and fingers because we all know. You don't need a made up table to prove that.

No it isn't.

It shows the points gained per match for each club across all divisions, and we're at the bottom of it.

It is not possible to support a professional team in this country who have won fewer points per game this year than we have - that tells a fucking awful story.

Try telling the poor fuckers stood at Norwich the other day, or the poor bastards that follow us all around the country that it doesn't mean anything, for example.

Try telling them that the fact their club has - statistically - provided a lower return to them for their support than any other club in the four divisions has, and see if they think it's irrelevant.

It tells the story that we have utterly shit against opponents at our level. Nothing else. That we have scored less points than a team in league 2 is meaningless. Are we any worse off than Yeovil Town who are sat on 6 more points having played 5 more games? How about their fans? You're coming across as massively angry over this. I really don't see what the point is in creating a new table just make your blood boil. Isn't the obvious enough for you?

That's absolute nonsense.

It shows that - relative to the league we play in - we have delivered fewer points per game than any other club. We have performed worse than anyone else.

It is also ranked as "points per game" so your example of another team having played more or fewer games is utterly irrelevant.

I don't really know how much clearer than that I can make it.

And no, I'm not trying to make myself angry, I am just pointing out that when you say that table means nothing, you're actually wrong.

Once again - those fans who follow us everywhere, are you going to tell them that statistically that table is meaningless?

[pauliewalnuts]

I wonder how many divisions below you would have to dive before we were not bottom. 

I don't know but I'd expect there'd be someone around pretty soon after to tell us all shortly after how it wasn't that bad.

who on here has said things aren't that bad? Because I would bet nobody is claiming that.

Well I saw you having a go at someone about it in GM the other day, so there's you for starters.

[adrenachrome]

I wonder how many divisions below you would have to dive before we were not bottom. 

I don't know but I'd expect there'd be someone around pretty soon after to tell us all shortly after how it wasn't that bad.

Must Dildo and Eminem haunt us forever?

[aj2k77]

Have we entered the twilight zone where Villa haven't been complete shite and Ilori who has played 0 minutes and cost us over a million wasn't a waste of time and money?

[pauliewalnuts]

Have we entered the twilight zone where Villa haven't been complete shite and Ilori who has played 0 minutes and cost us over a million wasn't a waste of time and money?

Of course it was a waste of time and money.

There are bigger wastes of time and money around, even in our squad, but it is another example of the nonchalant pissing away of cash going on. It all adds up.

[Toronto Villa]

I'm being perfectly clear too. There is no relevance comparing our situation to any of the clubs outside of the league we play in because the circumstances are completely different between the leagues. For example when we have played teams in divisions lower than us we beat both of them despite in the league we are playing we are shit. How would that translate if we were able to play teams lower down? Would we maintain the same points per game or would it go up relative to the 91 clubs? Like I said, and again I am making this as clear as possible the only table worth anything at all is the one we play in, and the situation is clear as day.

[saunders_heroes]

Have we entered the twilight zone where Villa haven't been complete shite and Ilori who has played 0 minutes and cost us over a million wasn't a waste of time and money?

Apparently he's just a loan deal that didn't work out. Nothing to see here, and nothing to complain about either. After all a million or so quid is loose change in our deep pockets.

[Toronto Villa]

I wonder how many divisions below you would have to dive before we were not bottom. 

I don't know but I'd expect there'd be someone around pretty soon after to tell us all shortly after how it wasn't that bad.

who on here has said things aren't that bad? Because I would bet nobody is claiming that.

Well I saw you having a go at someone about it in GM the other day, so there's you for starters.

What are you on about? Where have I ever said things were just fine? That really is utter bollocks. And if I did say something in GM why are you bringing it up here, or have the rules changed?