Tiago Ilori (update 2017 - signs for Reading)

[olaftab]

It's a nonsense statistic.

It's a statistic therefore it is!

[Villa in Denmark]

It highlights how relentlessly shit our results have been. Someone pin it to Tom Fox's forehead.

How about we staple it?
Maybe use an AK47 just to make sure he gets the message?

[Villa in Denmark]

A loan signing that didn't work out. It's hardly the end of the world.

Who said that? We set fire to another pile of money, bad move.

We took a low risk punt that was weighted in our favour and has cost us an amount, that whilst eye watering for I'll guess all of us, is loose change in the context of football finances.

If we'd paid the £7M up front and got stuck with £20-40K per week over 4 years, then it would have been a bad move.

[David_Nab]

Current circumstances mean no point using a loan space on an untried CB

[Clampy]

A loan signing that didn't work out. It's hardly the end of the world.

Who said that? We set fire to another pile of money, bad move.

We took a low risk punt that was weighted in our favour and has cost us an amount, that whilst eye watering for I'll guess all of us, is loose change in the context of football finances.

If we'd paid the £7M up front and got stuck with £20-40K per week over 4 years, then it would have been a bad move.

Yep. If ever there was a moan for the sake of it, it was this one.

[Toronto Villa]

Current circumstances mean no point using a loan space on an untried CB

Precisely. It's quite conceivable that if we didn't have pressing needs elsewhere and if making permanent moves wasn't going to be such a challenge given our predicament we'd have kept Ilori.

[Toronto Villa]

Of course it isn't. A league of leagues is pretty straightforward and if Blues or Albion were at the bottom we'd all be having a good laugh at their expense.

it's nonsense because not every club plays each other. Or are you saying that if we did play every club in this hypothetical 92 team league we'd be bottom? Because, and just my opinion, that would be the most nonsensical thing ever considered on here and we've had some doozies.

It's not nonsense at all to have a list of wins, draws and losses of all the teams in the English league and assemble them into a "league" so you can look at comparative performance. Of course it is only symbolic, of course it doesn't mean we're a weaker team than someone like Aldershot, the combined squad value of whom would probably be less than one of Villa's ball boys. It's a symbolic league but it effectively illustrates how literally shit we are.

It's not symbolic of anything. Unless all sides are able to play all of the other sides it just becomes a list of teams and points and has little value beyond that. You might as well throw in the conference, sides in Greece, Faroes, Ireland into it while your at it. We would still be near the bottom because of our points total which wouldn't change. The only league table of any value is the one we are in as it shows clearly how poor we have been against competition who are playing the same sides as we are.

[aj2k77]

A loan signing that didn't work out. It's hardly the end of the world.

Who said that? We set fire to another pile of money, bad move.

We took a low risk punt that was weighted in our favour and has cost us an amount, that whilst eye watering for I'll guess all of us, is loose change in the context of football finances.

If we'd paid the £7M up front and got stuck with £20-40K per week over 4 years, then it would have been a bad move.

That wouldn't be a bad move, that would be a bloody terrible one. Spending a million or two is a bad move in anyones book, apart from maybe Lerners, where it qualifies as an ok move.

[dave.woodhall]

Circumstances in the summer were different to what they are now, so we need a different type of player. In the normal course of events you'd go for Ilori over, say, Senderos or Cissokho every time but these are not normal times. We haven't got five months to see whether a promising youngster might be worth buying in the summer, we need someone right now.

[Villa in Denmark]

A loan signing that didn't work out. It's hardly the end of the world.

Who said that? We set fire to another pile of money, bad move.

We took a low risk punt that was weighted in our favour and has cost us an amount, that whilst eye watering for I'll guess all of us, is loose change in the context of football finances.

If we'd paid the £7M up front and got stuck with £20-40K per week over 4 years, then it would have been a bad move.

That wouldn't be a bad move, that would be a bloody terrible one. Spending a million or two is a bad move in anyones book, apart from maybe Lerners, where it qualifies as an ok move.

The blue bit is real life and the red bit is the world of football that you have to hold this up against.  Unless you genuinely believe that any transfer policy should deliver a 100% success rate.

Would it have been better not to sign him? Well in hindsight Sherwood describing his signing as a no brainer should have set the alarm bells ringing, but to attempt to be serious for 30 seconds, maybe he could have been the utility player we needed and injuries have scuppered that, so we now can't afford to have another player with a huge question mark over them.

By the way

"Spending a million or two is a bad move in anyones book, apart from maybe Lerners, where it qualifies as an ok move."

can get you on saunders_heroes hit list you know. You need to spend much more than that.

[Hoppo]

I think your missing the point, it isn't the fact it has cost a million or hasn't worked out, its the fact he has never been fit that is shameful.
Questions need to be asked was he unfit when he was brought into the Club?

[Villa in Denmark]

I think your missing the point, it isn't the fact it has cost a million or hasn't worked out, its the fact he has never been fit that is shameful.
Questions need to be asked was he unfit when he was brought into the Club?

That wasn't the point made.  The point made was exclusively about the money.

From recollection he was one of a number that "picked up a niggle" during pre season and was never seen again.  Regardless he passed a medical, which I'm guessing are fairly standard exercises as big part of the reason for the medical is insurance coverage.

[pauliewalnuts]

Of course it isn't. A league of leagues is pretty straightforward and if Blues or Albion were at the bottom we'd all be having a good laugh at their expense.

it's nonsense because not every club plays each other. Or are you saying that if we did play every club in this hypothetical 92 team league we'd be bottom? Because, and just my opinion, that would be the most nonsensical thing ever considered on here and we've had some doozies.

No, what that statistic (and table) shows is that of the 94 clubs considered, we had the lowest points per match return over a period of one calendar year of all of them.

If you approach it as some sort of proof that Aldershot or Small Heath are miles better than us because theirs is higher, then no, of course it doesn't have any value, but that's really not the point, is it? The point is that it is really pretty fucking shocking, as it shows just how abysmal we have been.

I think a lot of us are at risk of entering a new stage of denial at the moment, trying to convince ourselves that actually, getting relegated isn't horrible, or that children dying of cancer is "awful", relegation isn't (as if people aren't actually just talking in the context of football in the first place), or having less than 10 points at Christmas isn't humiliatingly embarrassing - I reckon we are going to see plenty of that in the approaching weeks and months.

The fact is, though - and it is a fact - our performance has been statistically horrific for a long time now. You just can not escape some of the statistics that follow us around.

In fact, if I had to think of one really impressive thing about this whole club over the last five years, it would be that somehow - and honestly, fuck knows how we have managed this - we haven't actually already been relegated.

if I didn't support this club, I'd look at us and think, fuck me, what do they offer to the league? I'd be dying for us to go down, just like I would Newcastle and Sunderland, two other clubs which - coincidentally sharing remote, disinterested owners - look like they need condemning.

[Toronto Villa]

Of course it isn't. A league of leagues is pretty straightforward and if Blues or Albion were at the bottom we'd all be having a good laugh at their expense.

it's nonsense because not every club plays each other. Or are you saying that if we did play every club in this hypothetical 92 team league we'd be bottom? Because, and just my opinion, that would be the most nonsensical thing ever considered on here and we've had some doozies.

No, what that statistic (and table) shows is that of the 94 clubs considered, we had the lowest points per match return over a period of one calendar year of all of them.

If you approach it as some sort of proof that Aldershot or Small Heath are miles better than us because theirs is higher, then no, of course it doesn't have any value, but that's really not the point, is it? The point is that it is really pretty fucking shocking.

I think a lot of us are at risk of entering a new stage of denial at the moment, trying to convince ourselves that actually, getting relegated isn't horrible, or having less than 10 points at Christmas isn't humiliatingly embarassing - I reckon we are going to see plenty of that in the approaching weeks and months.

The fact is, though - and it is a fact - our performance has been statistically horrific for a long time now.

In fact, if I had to think of one really impressive thing about this whole club over the last five years, it would be that somehow - and honestly, fuck knows how we have managed this - we haven't actually already been relegated.

The table is utterly irrelevant as a statical measure of anything. The only table that matters in the PL table. Showing that we 8 points versus Yeovil who have 14 is completely meaningless unless Yeovil have either played the same teams as us, or are playing in the PL. If you are trying to make the point that we are shit, save your breath and fingers because we all know. You don't need a made up table to prove that.

[pauliewalnuts]

Of course it isn't. A league of leagues is pretty straightforward and if Blues or Albion were at the bottom we'd all be having a good laugh at their expense.

it's nonsense because not every club plays each other. Or are you saying that if we did play every club in this hypothetical 92 team league we'd be bottom? Because, and just my opinion, that would be the most nonsensical thing ever considered on here and we've had some doozies.

No, what that statistic (and table) shows is that of the 94 clubs considered, we had the lowest points per match return over a period of one calendar year of all of them.

If you approach it as some sort of proof that Aldershot or Small Heath are miles better than us because theirs is higher, then no, of course it doesn't have any value, but that's really not the point, is it? The point is that it is really pretty fucking shocking.

I think a lot of us are at risk of entering a new stage of denial at the moment, trying to convince ourselves that actually, getting relegated isn't horrible, or having less than 10 points at Christmas isn't humiliatingly embarassing - I reckon we are going to see plenty of that in the approaching weeks and months.

The fact is, though - and it is a fact - our performance has been statistically horrific for a long time now.

In fact, if I had to think of one really impressive thing about this whole club over the last five years, it would be that somehow - and honestly, fuck knows how we have managed this - we haven't actually already been relegated.

The table is utterly irrelevant as a statical measure of anything. The only table that matters in the PL table. Showing that we 8 points versus Yeovil who have 14 is completely meaningless unless Yeovil have either played the same teams as us, or are playing in the PL. If you are trying to make the point that we are shit, save your breath and fingers because we all know. You don't need a made up table to prove that.

No it isn't.

It shows the points gained per match for each club across all divisions, and we're at the bottom of it.

It is not possible to support a professional team in this country who have won fewer points per game this year than we have - that tells a fucking awful story.

Try telling the poor fuckers stood at Norwich the other day, or the poor bastards that follow us all around the country that it doesn't mean anything, for example.

Try telling them that the fact their club has - statistically - provided a lower return to them for their support than any other club in the four divisions has, and see if they think it's irrelevant.