Tiago Ilori (update 2017 - signs for Reading)

[passitsideways]

There's no point in developing a top club's young players for them if it gets you from 13th place to 9th place, I think. But if having one or two of them is the difference between 18th and 14th, and you can't afford to buy a player who gets you that jump, then swallow your pride and do it. I do like that we're backing ourselves to not be in that position, and therefore able to limit ourselves only to those loanees who we might be able to keep if they progress sufficiently.

[Dave]

Key statement, especially the bit at the end

"I wouldn't have taken him on loan if there wasn't an opportunity to buy him at the end of it. I am not interested in developing players for other clubs. I am interested in developing for ourselves.

I really like that statement.

I've been saying it for 5 years or more on here with most people disagreeing so it's music to my ears. No more Kyle Walker type signings whilst Timmos in charge.

Really? Most people disagreed that it would be better for Villa to develop players for them to use rather than for other teams to use?

That doesn't sound too much like something you'd often see on a Villa forum to me.

[brian green]

Never seen a post against bringing on and keeping our own. Bit of shadow boxing there I think.

[RussellC]

Key statement, especially the bit at the end

"I wouldn't have taken him on loan if there wasn't an opportunity to buy him at the end of it. I am not interested in developing players for other clubs. I am interested in developing for ourselves.

I really like that statement.

I've been saying it for 5 years or more on here with most people disagreeing so it's music to my ears. No more Kyle Walker type signings whilst Timmos in charge.

Really? Most people disagreed that it would be better for Villa to develop players for them to use rather than for other teams to use?

That doesn't sound too much like something you'd often see on a Villa forum to me.

In an ideal world then of course we wouldn't want to develop players for other clubs. That said, Kyle Walker was actually a pretty integral part of our rise to safety that season, so I'm glad that we did take him, even if it was on loan.

[paul_e]

I haven't got a problem with it. There's a massive gap between us and the top teams, so whilst the opportunity exists we should take advantage.

Admittedly loaning from the top clubs abroad is the best solution however they don't seem to stock pile players in the same way.

I don't have a problem with loans of reasonably established players who just aren't getting a game but loans of 18-22 year olds who've barely played a game at this level when we have kids of our own who need a chance just doesn't seem right to me, unless there's a fee agreed before hand (as is the case here).

[pauliewalnuts]

Personally, I think Premier League sides should be prevented from loaning players in.

The amount of money sloshing around in the league, there should be no need for it. Loaning players out to lower league sides is fine, but I'd like to see a stop to what Chelsea are doing, by limiting how many players you can loan out.

[dave.woodhall]

This whole farce could be stopped overnight - loans can only be to clubs at a lower level, no player can be loaned in the window where he's bought, nor spend more than half the length of a contract on loan.

[Clark W Griswold]

Key statement, especially the bit at the end

"I wouldn't have taken him on loan if there wasn't an opportunity to buy him at the end of it. I am not interested in developing players for other clubs. I am interested in developing for ourselves.

I really like that statement.

I've been saying it for 5 years or more on here with most people disagreeing so it's music to my ears. No more Kyle Walker type signings whilst Timmos in charge.

Really? Most people disagreed that it would be better for Villa to develop players for them to use rather than for other teams to use?

That doesn't sound too much like something you'd often see on a Villa forum to me.

I specifically remember you championing the move for Walker, whilst I said he'd be here for 4 months training and then in the Spurs team, and yes that's what happened.

[Clark W Griswold]

Key statement, especially the bit at the end

"I wouldn't have taken him on loan if there wasn't an opportunity to buy him at the end of it. I am not interested in developing players for other clubs. I am interested in developing for ourselves.

I really like that statement.

I've been saying it for 5 years or more on here with most people disagreeing so it's music to my ears. No more Kyle Walker type signings whilst Timmos in charge.

Really? Most people disagreed that it would be better for Villa to develop players for them to use rather than for other teams to use?

That doesn't sound too much like something you'd often see on a Villa forum to me.

 I specifically remember you championing the move for Walker, whilst I said he'd be here for 4 months training and then in the Spurs team, and yes that's what happened.

[KevinGage]

That wasn't nailed on at all though. 

He was third choice right back at the time at Tottingham, and Walker said himself a month into the loan deal that he'd be happy to stay at Villa if the clubs could sort out a fee.

He then got in the England team, and that was that.

[Dave]

Key statement, especially the bit at the end

"I wouldn't have taken him on loan if there wasn't an opportunity to buy him at the end of it. I am not interested in developing players for other clubs. I am interested in developing for ourselves.

I really like that statement.

I've been saying it for 5 years or more on here with most people disagreeing so it's music to my ears. No more Kyle Walker type signings whilst Timmos in charge.

Really? Most people disagreed that it would be better for Villa to develop players for them to use rather than for other teams to use?

That doesn't sound too much like something you'd often see on a Villa forum to me.

I specifically remember you championing the move for Walker, whilst I said he'd be here for 4 months training and then in the Spurs team, and yes that's what happened.

That's a strangely specific memory that you have. I certainly wasn't 'championing' his signing, as I barely had the first idea of who Kyle Walker was in January 2011.

I did say this:

If he does such an astonishing job that either Spurs want to put him straight into their first team or Barcelona want him to replace Dani Alves when he goes to Man City then he must have a brilliant job for us and we've stayed up with plenty to spare.

Which to me looks to be precisely what happened. Your main complaint on the same thread seems to be that "if the press are to be beleived most of the deals we are looking at are loans", which was a bit unfounded as the following week we doubled our record transfer fee

[Clark W Griswold]

Well, whatever your take on the loan market it sounds like Timmo is not keen unless there is a deal set out for us at the end, which is good news as far as I'm concerned. We have a decent size squad now anyway with lots of potential so there shouldn't be the need anyway.

[Dave]

Well, whatever your take on the loan market it sounds like Timmo is not keen unless there is a deal set out for us at the end, which is good news as far as I'm concerned. We have a decent size squad now anyway with lots of potential so there shouldn't be the need anyway.

Yup, agreed on all counts.

[paul_e]

The only standard loans we should consider are ones like the Keane loan which gave us a short term fix to a gap in the squad which should've given us time to scout a longer term solution, Adebayor would've been in that category so I'd have accepted it.

[Matt Collins]

I'm not saying we'd have gone down without walker or cleverley. But the margins were right in both years and the replacements were much worse

Nobody wants to develop a player for other teams. But I'd take it every time if it was the difference between relegation or not. Sturridge kept Bolton up.