Gabby - keep or let go

[rob_bridge]

All Lerner's fault. All of it. Ad infinitum.

[saunders_heroes]

I think we do need a change in goal now. That doesn't mean Guzan hasn't been a decent keeper for us or that he became our No 1 because he was cheap.

No, it does you know. He was overrated, no question.

Shay Given was overrated, even at his pomp at Newcastle. I could see why in his one full season playing for us even if he did make some crucial saves towards the end of the season.

Brad coming in for him early on in the following season was completely justified, remember that Fellani header that went through his fingers. And Brad had a fantastic 12-13 so I don't really see the point of this debate.

Given was a terrific keeper in his pomp and Guzan at any stage was never fit to lace his boots, and the latter was overrated from the very first day he joined. I said it from more or less day one that Guzan was not up to standard and I stand by it.

Overated from the very first day he joined? That's just over the top rubbish, mainly because he wasn't that well known. So he was fine as back up to Given in case of injury or loss of form, but not good enough to be No1? Ah, clear as mud.

Yeah that about right. I'm not surprised you don't get it because let's face it you've been telling people to calm down now for 5 years while the club has been spiralling into a humiliating decline.

Just because I don't feel the need to come on here every day and whinge doesn't mean I don't think the club is in a mess.

You had your head buried in the sand for years and ripped into anyone who claimed the club was in decline. The signs were there but you couldn't see it. I hate seeing the club turned into a joke and I don't get any pleasure from moaning all the time.

[Clampy]

I think we do need a change in goal now. That doesn't mean Guzan hasn't been a decent keeper for us or that he became our No 1 because he was cheap.

No, it does you know. He was overrated, no question.

Shay Given was overrated, even at his pomp at Newcastle. I could see why in his one full season playing for us even if he did make some crucial saves towards the end of the season.

Brad coming in for him early on in the following season was completely justified, remember that Fellani header that went through his fingers. And Brad had a fantastic 12-13 so I don't really see the point of this debate.

Given was a terrific keeper in his pomp and Guzan at any stage was never fit to lace his boots, and the latter was overrated from the very first day he joined. I said it from more or less day one that Guzan was not up to standard and I stand by it.

Overated from the very first day he joined? That's just over the top rubbish, mainly because he wasn't that well known. So he was fine as back up to Given in case of injury or loss of form, but not good enough to be No1? Ah, clear as mud.

Yeah that about right. I'm not surprised you don't get it because let's face it you've been telling people to calm down now for 5 years while the club has been spiralling into a humiliating decline.

Just because I don't feel the need to come on here every day and whinge doesn't mean I don't think the club is in a mess.

You had your head buried in the sand for years and ripped into anyone who claimed the club was in decline. The signs were there but you couldn't see it. I hate seeing the club turned into a joke and I don't get any pleasure from moaning all the time.

My head hasn't been buried in the sand at all. You just want people to join you in the moaning and you get arsey when people don't. So so sorry if i'm not posting what you want me to, but tough shit, i'll criticise when I like, not when you want me to.

[saunders_heroes]

And the exact same to you in return. Good luck with trying to convince everyone it ain't that bad after all!

[Lastfootstamper]

Under TSM1, Given was out injured for a spell, and Guzan was superb, did nothing wrong, utterly unrecognisable from the man between the sticks against Blackburn. But as soon as Given was fit, he, undeservedly imo, went straight back in. I don't recall much dissent over his re-signing, but I'm pretty sure he induced much hand-wringing over this once great club letting his contract run out at the time.

[Axl Rose]

I think we do need a change in goal now. That doesn't mean Guzan hasn't been a decent keeper for us or that he became our No 1 because he was cheap.

No, it does you know. He was overrated, no question.

Shay Given was overrated, even at his pomp at Newcastle. I could see why in his one full season playing for us even if he did make some crucial saves towards the end of the season.

Brad coming in for him early on in the following season was completely justified, remember that Fellani header that went through his fingers. And Brad had a fantastic 12-13 so I don't really see the point of this debate.

Given was a terrific keeper in his pomp and Guzan at any stage was never fit to lace his boots, and the latter was overrated from the very first day he joined. I said it from more or less day one that Guzan was not up to standard and I stand by it.

Overated from the very first day he joined? That's just over the top rubbish, mainly because he wasn't that well known. So he was fine as back up to Given in case of injury or loss of form, but not good enough to be No1? Ah, clear as mud.

Yeah that about right. I'm not surprised you don't get it because let's face it you've been telling people to calm down now for 5 years while the club has been spiralling into a humiliating decline.

Just because I don't feel the need to come on here every day and whinge doesn't mean I don't think the club is in a mess.

You had your head buried in the sand for years and ripped into anyone who claimed the club was in decline. The signs were there but you couldn't see it. I hate seeing the club turned into a joke and I don't get any pleasure from moaning all the time.

My head hasn't been buried in the sand at all. You just want people to join you in the moaning and you get arsey when people don't. So so sorry if i'm not posting what you want me to, but tough shit, i'll criticise when I like, not when you want me to.

Saunders/Clampy-guys, do you ever stop with the squabbling? It's non stop at times.

I often agree with things that both of you say, you both often speak sense. But countless times I've witnessed tit for tatt bickering. It's boring. Can we have a 2016 truce?

[aj2k77]

He was probably our player of the season in 12/13 (even ahead of Benteke), but can't keep clinging onto that now.  He's got worse since then and is now easily the worst keeper in the league.

I think Brad was excellent in his first season under Lambert, very good in the second. His form slipped throughout last season and he's been utterly dreadful this season. He's completely done. I'm afraid it gets to a point with some players where the decline is there for all to see. When it's this long term it's almost impossible you'll ever see them get back to their best. Guzan has to go. Gabby has to go. The likes of Bacuna and Westwood also have to go. We've wasted far too much precious time, and points on these fuck trumpets.

Some players cope with set backs whilst others are ruined by them. I think with Brad he's made one too many clangers now and plays with fear and it's affected every part of his game. I don't think he'll get back to the keeper he was 2/3 seasons ago.

[Dave]

Given was a terrific keeper in his pomp and Guzan at any stage was never fit to lace his boots, and the latter was overrated from the very first day he joined. I said it from more or less day one that Guzan was not up to standard and I stand by it.

Guzan's form has completely gone to pot now, but the above is an outstanding pile of nonsense.

Top work.

[Clampy]

I think my point is Axl, yes the club is in a mess and everyone knows it, you'd have to be a fool not to think it. I don't come on here and moan about it too much though because I don't see the point but that doesn't mean I think everything's hunky dory. The league table looks horrific and Lerner has made a mess of things but he's not the only one. If I come across as positive that's just my nature.

[saunders_heroes]

Given was a terrific keeper in his pomp and Guzan at any stage was never fit to lace his boots, and the latter was overrated from the very first day he joined. I said it from more or less day one that Guzan was not up to standard and I stand by it.

Guzan's form has completely gone to pot now, but the above is an outstanding pile of nonsense.

Top work.

Well that told me!

[saunders_heroes]

I think my point is Axl, yes the club is in a mess and everyone knows it, you'd have to be a fool not to think it. I don't come on here and moan about it too much though because I don't see the point but that doesn't mean I think everything's hunky dory. The league table looks horrific and Lerner has made a mess of things but he's not the only one. If I come across as positive that's just my nature.

But then when anyone else points out how shit the club is you turn up and suggest it ain't that bad after all. Take the Ilori thread just for a start. Someone dares suggest it was a pathetic signing and you get all defensive.

[Clampy]

I think my point is Axl, yes the club is in a mess and everyone knows it, you'd have to be a fool not to think it. I don't come on here and moan about it too much though because I don't see the point but that doesn't mean I think everything's hunky dory. The league table looks horrific and Lerner has made a mess of things but he's not the only one. If I come across as positive that's just my nature.

But then when anyone else points out how shit the club is you turn up and suggest it ain't that bad after all. Take the Ilori thread just for a start. Someone dares suggest it was a pathetic signing and you get all defensive.

That's because I don't think it was a pathetic signing, it was just a loan that didn't work out. It's called an opinion, it's what message boards are for. Sorry If I didn't agree with you.

[saunders_heroes]

I think my point is Axl, yes the club is in a mess and everyone knows it, you'd have to be a fool not to think it. I don't come on here and moan about it too much though because I don't see the point but that doesn't mean I think everything's hunky dory. The league table looks horrific and Lerner has made a mess of things but he's not the only one. If I come across as positive that's just my nature.

But then when anyone else points out how shit the club is you turn up and suggest it ain't that bad after all. Take the Ilori thread just for a start. Someone dares suggest it was a pathetic signing and you get all defensive.

That's because I don't think it was a pathetic signing, it just just a loan that didn't work out. It's called an opinion, it's what message boards are for. Sorry If I didn't agree with you.

Agreed. Please just remember that it's all about opinions and it's what message boards are all about next time you pounce on one of my posts where you think I've gone over the top regarding the state of the club and our humiliating decline.

[Clampy]

Anyway, shall we leave it at that? Axl is right, it must be boring for some people.

[saunders_heroes]

Anyway, shall we leave it at that? Axl is right, it must be boring for some people.

No problem.