Emmanuel Adebayor

[Dante Lavelli]

I think we are at the point where we will struggle to integrate all of these new players into a coherent team.  And signing more would only increase this risk.  Therefore to have spent more - as silhilvilla wants - we would have needed to sign more expensive players.  To be honest, I'm not sure too many 15m players would want to join us right now (unless their price already includes the Premier League premium - e.g. players like Andros Townsend).

At least this way, we can justifiably bleat during the winter window that there *must* be some money available.

[pauliewalnuts]

I think we are at the point where we will struggle to integrate all of these new players into a coherent team.  And signing more would only increase this risk.  Therefore to have spent more - as silhilvilla wants - we would have needed to sign more expensive players.

I'm not sticking up for his argument - God, no - but I don't see why spending more has to mean signing 15m players?

I'd like to sign a competent centre half, for example. There's no reason that needs to cost massive money.

[Dante Lavelli]

I think we are at the point where we will struggle to integrate all of these new players into a coherent team.  And signing more would only increase this risk.  Therefore to have spent more - as silhilvilla wants - we would have needed to sign more expensive players.

I'm not sticking up for his argument - God, no - but I don't see why spending more has to mean signing 15m players?

I'd like to sign a competent centre half, for example. There's no reason that needs to cost massive money.

Fair enough, but that's another player who will need to quickly adapt to the team and possibly country.
 
Clearly villa's situation is far from the ideal so we have had to take more drastic action, not to mention replace players, but too much change could actually cause problems in itself.  In an ideal world I think you would want to be integrating 3 new players into the team (max).  This keeps the team fresh but does not lead to loads of wasted players (like at Liverpool).  Mourinho has kinda followed this policy since he has been back at Chelsea.

[silhillvilla]

Bottom line is we still need key areas sorting. My point was to date we are net £0.
Therefore, having cashed in our best assets and with the new mega tv money flowing, I would like to think sherwood will be given a bare minimum of £20m to address these areas, ideally nearer £30m .

[Dante Lavelli]

Bottom line is we still need key areas sorting. My point was to date we are net £0.
Therefore, having cashed in our best assets and with the new mega tv money flowing, I would like to think sherwood will be given a bare minimum of £20m to address these areas, ideally nearer £30m .

Hypothetically how would you have divvied up the 70m?

[silhillvilla]

Bottom line is we still need key areas sorting. My point was to date we are net £0.
Therefore, having cashed in our best assets and with the new mega tv money flowing, I would like to think sherwood will be given a bare minimum of £20m to address these areas, ideally nearer £30m .

Hypothetically how would you have divvied up the 70m?

What we've done so far + we need a quality CB, DCM, winger , Adebayor loan, arguably a RB. I'm under no illusions how hard this campaign will be.

[Toronto Villa]

Bottom line is we still need key areas sorting. My point was to date we are net £0.
Therefore, having cashed in our best assets and with the new mega tv money flowing, I would like to think sherwood will be given a bare minimum of £20m to address these areas, ideally nearer £30m .

Bottom line is you jumped to a predictably negative conclusion regarding a transfer window that hasn't closed. Would you be happier if we spent more on these same players just to provide you with a positive net spend?

[pauliewalnuts]

I think we are at the point where we will struggle to integrate all of these new players into a coherent team.  And signing more would only increase this risk.  Therefore to have spent more - as silhilvilla wants - we would have needed to sign more expensive players.

I'm not sticking up for his argument - God, no - but I don't see why spending more has to mean signing 15m players?

I'd like to sign a competent centre half, for example. There's no reason that needs to cost massive money.

Fair enough, but that's another player who will need to quickly adapt to the team and possibly country.
 
Clearly villa's situation is far from the ideal so we have had to take more drastic action, not to mention replace players, but too much change could actually cause problems in itself.  In an ideal world I think you would want to be integrating 3 new players into the team (max).  This keeps the team fresh but does not lead to loads of wasted players (like at Liverpool).  Mourinho has kinda followed this policy since he has been back at Chelsea.

I totally get the thing re amount of change, but we'd just finished 17th.

That team was always going to need a vital organs transplant to avoid getting relegated, we didn't have any choice.

The central defence has looked very iffy in pre-season, which worries me. We could definitely do with options there, ideally by improving the starters. Baker, Senderos, Clark, Okore are all a tad injury prone, and Baker scares me at the moment, full stop.

[pauliewalnuts]

Bottom line is we still need key areas sorting. My point was to date we are net £0.
Therefore, having cashed in our best assets and with the new mega tv money flowing, I would like to think sherwood will be given a bare minimum of £20m to address these areas, ideally nearer £30m .

Once again, though, that's not the only point you made, that's not why people were criticising you. People weren't rolling their eyes at your suggestion we need to spend more than we raise in sales, it was the bit where you said it looked as if we weren't going to do that.

Surely it's not that hard to grasp?

There is a big difference between, say, "I hope the world doesn't end tomorrow" and "looks like the world is going to end tomorrow, I hope it doesn't".

[kippaxvilla2]

What shouldn't be overlooked is that if Randy really wasn't still interested in investing he could have held onto the Benteke and Delph money and not reinvested it.  Such a decision would've been ludicrous considering where we finished but the option was there.

[peter w]

Going back to what Archie was saying on I think another thread and comparisons made to when under big Ron  we signed Staunton, Atkinson, Richardson etc etc and then a few years later under he Who Walks on Water we signed Draper, Savo, and Southgate is that we did sign proven quality. I have no idea who any of these new signings are and not only do they have no Prem experience they have very little top flight experience elsewhere. it is a huge gamble. It will either be something of a 1990s Wengeresque  coup or a huge gamble that could easily go very wrong, again, very quickly.

We've signed a lot of promise. Some of it looks definitely promising. I'm unsure about Richards at centre-half and I think that pairing him with Lescott could be a wise move. Amavi looks a player too. But many thought Holman was going to be a very good acquisition especially after a good pre-season. We just don't know what's going to happen until the season starts.

I would like us to still find that kevin Ricahrdson (Cambiasso?), that defender (Lescott? Maybe better), or that Atkinson/Saunders (Adebayor?). Ultimately I'd like is to get back into that position of buying players from the likes of a Palace or Southampton as we are a step up from where they are and they can come in and add something straight away. Who have we signed/signing/linked with who is offering that? We may not need anymore in but if we only spend what we've taken in then its a flip of a coin and a hope. It may work. I'd prefer more experienced good Prem signings before I get optimistic for the season.

[ROBBO]

We've done some good business up to now and i believe we will see another two or three come in. I can imagine Spurs playing hardball over Adebayors wages so i can see him moving over toward the end of the month. A quality centre half and a top winger would just about be perfect.

[Dante Lavelli]

Bottom line is we still need key areas sorting. My point was to date we are net £0.
Therefore, having cashed in our best assets and with the new mega tv money flowing, I would like to think sherwood will be given a bare minimum of £20m to address these areas, ideally nearer £30m .

Hypothetically how would you have divvied up the 70m?

What we've done so far + we need a quality CB, DCM, winger , Adebayor loan, arguably a RB. I'm under no illusions how hard this campaign will be.

--------------------Guzan--------------------
New RB-------Richards-----New CB---Amavi

--------Gueye---New DCM----Veretout-----

-------Ayew----Adebeyor----New Winger----

Would you play Guzan or Bunn?  Theoretically you could have replaced the entire first team!
I appreciate we're not that great right now but that would be a helluva lot of wages sat on the bench doing nothing.

[Chris Jameson]

There is a big difference between, say, "I hope the world doesn't end tomorrow" and "looks like the world is going to end tomorrow, I hope it doesn't".

What have you heard paulie?

[old man villa fan]

Bottom line is we still need key areas sorting. My point was to date we are net £0.
Therefore, having cashed in our best assets and with the new mega tv money flowing, I would like to think sherwood will be given a bare minimum of £20m to address these areas, ideally nearer £30m .

You keep on going on about this new mega TV money but the new deal does come in until 2016/2017 season.  Even next summer we will not have the 'new money' for transfers unless we borrow on the basis of getting the money later.  It is imperative we stay in the PL and there has to be some investment to do this but we still have to work within FFP rules in the meantime.