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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on July 28, 2015, 02:51:10 PM
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Being now reported that he's in Birmingham sorting out details and visiting Bodymoor. Suggested it is a loan with a permanent option.
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If his contract expires at the end of the season, why would we pay a fee for him at the end of the loan?
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If he joins I actually think he can be a useful addition.
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Adebayor, Adebayorrrrr. Benteke scored lots of goals, he's gunna score more.
No? Shall I get my coat?
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If his contract expires at the end of the season, why would we pay a fee for him at the end of the loan?
we wouldn't. It would be a loan initially and if both parties agree he would join permanently at the end of the loan. Basically Spurs would offset some of his wages now and we would come to some compromise on his overall compensation at the end the loan period.
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Being now reported that he's in Birmingham sorting out details and visiting Bodymoor. Suggested it is a loan with a permanent option.
Where's that report ? Twitter ?
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'Emmanuel'
I would be happy with that deal as it gives us more options.
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Being now reported that he's in Birmingham sorting out details and visiting Bodymoor. Suggested it is a loan with a permanent option.
Where's that report ? Twitter ?
way worse...
clicky (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3177383/Emmanuel-Adebayor-verge-Aston-Villa-loan-Tim-Sherwood-reunion.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490)
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Being now reported that he's in Birmingham sorting out details and visiting Bodymoor.
Is it open to the public during pre-season?
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I think he'd be a bit of a cult hero for us. Quite looking forward to him playing for us now, I can't believe I'm saying that, but it could be fun!
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Bloody hell, with Emanuel and Jordan x 3 in the squad, we'd better play some sexy football :o
Sorry, that's my ration of puerile humour for the day, I promise.
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Will he do an Adebayor when he scores against Spurs?
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Will he do an Adebayor when he scores against Spurs?
He can't play against them
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The thought of him and Sherwood doing their wanky salute makes me want to throw up my lunch.
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The thought of him and Sherwood doing their wanky salute makes me want to throw up my lunch.
If it's to celebrate his hat trick in 5-0 win over Man Utd I might just let him off.
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The thought of him and Sherwood doing their wanky salute makes me want to throw up my lunch.
they can do that as much as they like, if he smashing the ball in the goals...a lot...
UTV
The Doc
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The thought of him and Sherwood doing their wanky salute makes me want to throw up my lunch.
yes it's crap, as are all celebrations when done by an opposing player. As long as he is scoring them for us I won't give a monkeys how many times he does it.
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Being now reported that he's in Birmingham sorting out details and visiting Bodymoor. Suggested it is a loan with a permanent option.
Where's that report ? Twitter ?
way worse...
clicky (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3177383/Emmanuel-Adebayor-verge-Aston-Villa-loan-Tim-Sherwood-reunion.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490)
Effectively a done deal then
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Great for a loan. I'd give the permanent contract a miss though.
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Great for a loan. I'd give the permanent contract a miss though.
surely that depends on how he does and the terms of the deal?
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Great for a loan. I'd give the permanent contract a miss though.
surely that depends on how he does and the terms of the deal?
I don't think so. He's one player I wouldn't give a contract to.
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Will he do an Adebayor when he scores against Spurs?
He can't play against them
Oh yeah, silly me.
Will he do an Adebayor against Arse & Citeh then?
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Great for a loan. I'd give the permanent contract a miss though.
surely that depends on how he does and the terms of the deal?
I don't think so. He's one player I wouldn't give a contract to.
Every time we hand out a long term deal it backfires.
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Great for a loan. I'd give the permanent contract a miss though.
surely that depends on how he does and the terms of the deal?
I don't think so. He's one player I wouldn't give a contract to.
Every time we hand out a long term deal it backfires.
So the 5 year deal we just gave to Ayew was a bad idea? How about the 4yr deal we gave to Benteke with a 32.5m buy out clause? That served us quite well.
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It will be interesting to see if Sherwood can get him scoring again. He took a lot of credit at Spurs for getting Adebayor scoring. Let's hope he can do it again.
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Sherwood knows exactly what he is getting from him, so if he wants him that is a good sign.
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It will be interesting to see if Sherwood can get him scoring again. He took a lot of credit at Spurs for getting Adebayor scoring. Let's hope he can do it again.
yep. If nothing else he found a way with Adebayor and Benteke to play to their strengths and get them the ball in dangerous areas. I don't have as much concern with that as I do with him figuring out how to keep the ball out of our net. If we can have a more compact side and not rely on one system to score goals then it could be a good season.
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He isn't my favourite player in the world but he is or can be a horrible player to play against for any team. I think being at Villa where he might feel he is the main man could suit his personality and he might flourish, bagging 15 goals possibly.
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The thought of him and Sherwood doing their wanky salute makes me want to throw up my lunch.
I feel the same, but for some reason, I can see myself growing to like it :P
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It will be interesting to see if Sherwood can get him scoring again. He took a lot of credit at Spurs for getting Adebayor scoring. Let's hope he can do it again.
Aye aye Cap'n!
(http://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/article9245798.ece/binary/original/sherwood-adebayor-salute.jpg)
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The thought of him and Sherwood doing their wanky salute makes me want to throw up my lunch.
I think you'd get to like it after the 20th time.
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It would be crazy to pay a transfer fee for him or offer him a lengthy contract, but if it's a loan, and we're not coughing up all of his silly wages, then that looks like a sensible deal to me.
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Maybe we'll loan him for a year and then Everton will sign him on a free next Summer...
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It will be interesting to see if Sherwood can get him scoring again. He took a lot of credit at Spurs for getting Adebayor scoring. Let's hope he can do it again.
Aye aye Cap'n!
(http://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/article9245798.ece/binary/original/sherwood-adebayor-salute.jpg)
There's obviously quite a serious bromance going on there, but if we do sign him that will be the thing I'll look forward to.
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Adebayor can leap on to Sherwood's back and give him a friendly reach around for all I care, as long he scores regularly.
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It will be interesting to see if Sherwood can get him scoring again. He took a lot of credit at Spurs for getting Adebayor scoring. Let's hope he can do it again.
yep. If nothing else he found a way with Adebayor and Benteke to play to their strengths and get them the ball in dangerous areas. I don't have as much concern with that as I do with him figuring out how to keep the ball out of our net. If we can have a more compact side and not rely on one system to score goals then it could be a good season.
I'm not going to lavish too much praise on Sherwood for Benteke's goals, even a 7 year old could see what the problem was and we needed to enter the opposition's half. How Lambert survived for so long is still a mystery. More than anything, other than increasing the pace and let's face it, it was impossible to play any slower, Sherwood's ability was giving the players the freedom and confidence to play football again. Hopefully he knows what makes Adeboyor tick as it's a very risky bit of business even with a loan as if he's not right mentally, he'll be earning a tonne of money to watch our games from the stands.
The only real positive is it will give us options up front which is a luxury we never had last season. Here's hoping.
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I look forward to seeing him and Tim saluting each other every game because it'll mean he's scoring us a shitload of goals.
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It will be interesting to see if Sherwood can get him scoring again. He took a lot of credit at Spurs for getting Adebayor scoring. Let's hope he can do it again.
Aye aye Cap'n!
(http://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/article9245798.ece/binary/original/sherwood-adebayor-salute.jpg)
TOSSERS!!!
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The thought of him and Sherwood doing their wanky salute makes me want to throw up my lunch.
I think you'd get to like it after the 20th time.
'Like it' is pushing it, let's just say I'd probably shake my head and raise my eyebrows.
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I could get used to it. In time. After about the 30th one.
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He can trombone him for all I care.
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The thought of him and Sherwood doing their wanky salute makes me want to throw up my lunch.
I think you'd get to like it after the 20th time.
'Like it' is pushing it, let's just say I'd probably shake my head and raise my eyebrows.
How you celebrate us scoring goals is entirely for you to decide. ;)
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Here's to hoping he does well enough to keep us away from the relegation zone, but not well enough to make us seriously consider signing him on beyond this season.
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If we get him then I feel this has been one of the most exciting close seasons I can remember - I don't even know much about half of the Jordan's or any of the others but am really looking forward to the start now
Well done everyone connected to the club, especially Tim and Tom for just getting things done very professionally- after the let down of Wembley you have certainly put some excitement back around the place
UTV
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Sherwood knows exactly what he is getting from him, so if he wants him that is a good sign.
This.
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Surely we want all Villa players to do well and if he has a blinding season we'll all want him to stay? Can't believe anyone wants him to not play very well.
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Surely we want all Villa players to do well and if he has a blinding season we'll all want him to stay? Can't believe anyone wants him to not play very well.
This. If I see that salute 20 times I'll be chuffed to bits!
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Don't know how to upload a pic but seen Adebayor walking around Villas training facilities.
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Don't know how to upload a pic but seen Adebayor walking around Villas training facilities.
Saw that on Twitter , he's walking by the the indoor pool at BH and pointing out to the training fields and beyond.
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Don't know how to upload a pic but seen Adebayor walking around Villas training facilities.
I've seen the pic. He appears to have a very large hat on.
https://twitter.com/hotspurrelated/status/626044730481229824
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^ Yep ^
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Don't know how to upload a pic but seen Adebayor walking around Villas training facilities.
I've seen the pic. He appears to have a very large hat on.
https://twitter.com/hotspurrelated/status/626044730481229824
And a butcher's apron.
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Don't know how to upload a pic but seen Adebayor walking around Villas training facilities.
I've seen the pic. He appears to have a very large hat on.
https://twitter.com/hotspurrelated/status/626044730481229824
And a butcher's apron.
And carrying a 1L bottle of vodka
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Don't know how to upload a pic but seen Adebayor walking around Villas training facilities.
I've seen the pic. He appears to have a very large hat on.
https://twitter.com/hotspurrelated/status/626044730481229824
And a butcher's apron.
To carve open defenses
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Don't know how to upload a pic but seen Adebayor walking around Villas training facilities.
I've seen the pic. He appears to have a very large hat on.
https://twitter.com/hotspurrelated/status/626044730481229824
And a butcher's apron.
To carve open defenses
It would have to be a sharp apron.
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It will be interesting to see if Sherwood can get him scoring again. He took a lot of credit at Spurs for getting Adebayor scoring. Let's hope he can do it again.
Aye aye Cap'n!
(http://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/article9245798.ece/binary/original/sherwood-adebayor-salute.jpg)
At least Ramsay has the decency to pretend that he's shielding his eyes, rather than doing a salute.
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Don't know how to upload a pic but seen Adebayor walking around Villas training facilities.
I've seen the pic. He appears to have a very large hat on.
https://twitter.com/hotspurrelated/status/626044730481229824
If you scroll down to the tweet by Sunny Leone you'll find an interesting link there. Whether or not it works we'll have to wait 'till this evening to find out.
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Adebayor can leap on to Sherwood's back and give him a friendly reach around for all I care, as long he scores regularly.
yep. At the 12 goal mark sometime in November, a number we only got to in February last year (Fuck me what a disaster that was), I'll fly over and give him a fondle and a salute myself as we sit top of the league.
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I'll gladly witness the salute 30 times next year.
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if we're having to pay his 100k a week in full it's a crap deal in my opinion
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Sherwood knows exactly what he is getting from him, so if he wants him that is a good sign.
This.
Yes. I'm not sure about him, but if Tim is that should speak volumes.
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if we're having to pay his 100k a week in full it's a crap deal in my opinion
surely if we agreed to pay the full amount of the contract Spurs would have sent him to B6 in the fastest car they could get their hands on. In fact they might have sent him via missile or on the back of a NASA rocket. I imagine the reason it is a loan and not permanent, and and took this long is because we have come to a compromise with Spurs on only paying a percentage of his contract not the whole amount.
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Adebayor, Adebayorrrrr. Benteke scored lots of goals, he's gunna score more.
No? Shall I get my coat?
How about something like the old Deano chant.
Adeeeee, Adebayor
Scores a goal and then he wants some more
not one, not two, not three, not four
Adeee scores and he scores some more
To the tune of the old trio advert.
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The thought of him and Sherwood doing their wanky salute makes me want to throw up my lunch.
The thought of him and Sherwood doing their wanky salute makes me want to throw up my lunch.
If it's to celebrate his hat trick in 5-0 win over Man Utd I might just let him off.
If that happened I'd bloody salute with them!
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Either way, it's a hell of a lot more exciting than last summer buying players from a 2007 time warp we'd been sucked in to.
This is exactly what we need, out with the old, in with the new. Could end up just the same but I'm enjoying the ride (probably because we haven't had to watch us yet)
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Has anyone actually seen any snaps of him at Villa Park/Bodymoor Heath?
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@whispers_listen has just tweeted the deal is now complete, with his weird cryptic sentences.
I think it's Yoda. Didn't know he was a Villa fan! :)
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Judging by his stats he's very reliant on who his manager is, Mancini and Villas Bohas didn't fancy him, whereas Hughes, Redknapp and Sherwood did.
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Has anyone actually seen any snaps of him at Villa Park/Bodymoor Heath?
yes a couple of pages back apparently at BH.
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Obligatory YouTube clips. Goal vs West Ham is superb
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Really not sure about this one, especially if he is our main striker signing. If however we are still planning to bring in another, younger striker (like Gestede) then I can live with it.
I've heard we are paying his full wages in return for not having to pay a loan fee.
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Obligatory YouTube clips. Goal vs West Ham is superb
There's a some good goals in there. And some very good ones too.
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Told you it was a done deal a mth ago .....
They have pulled the plug on Townsend ,his work rate isn't good so I'm happy.
Thou might be in for Lennon.
And theres some more good signings coming .
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Really not sure about this one, especially if he is our main striker signing. If however we are still planning to bring in another, younger striker (like Gestede) then I can live with it.
I've heard we are paying his full wages in return for not having to pay a loan fee.
Isn't that what Ayew is?
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I'd imagine Adebayor and Ayew will be it as far as new forwards go...
Adebayor
Ayez
Kozak
Gabby
Robinson
...may be room for one more but I'd be pleasantly surprised if that was the case.
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Really not sure about this one, especially if he is our main striker signing. If however we are still planning to bring in another, younger striker (like Gestede) then I can live with it.
I've heard we are paying his full wages in return for not having to pay a loan fee.
I'm confident he will score us goals, my main concern is if he gets injured, we're still very light up front.
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I'd imagine Adebayor and Ayew will be it as far as new forwards go...
Adebayor
Ayez
Kozak
Gabby
Robinson
...may be room for one more but I'd be pleasantly surprised if that was the case.
Yes, with Sinclair, Grealish and Gil capable of playing far forward too I would be pleasantly surprised if anyone else came in. You know what though, Villa are surprising me. I've got this strange feeling of optimism.
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Compare to other signings this is disappointing. Others are full of vibrancy this a bit meh but may be there is a balance to be struck so let's hope he does it for us.
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I like the options he gives us, and he can score against anyone if his mood is right.
Im uncomfortable about the wage thing, may upset some of the squad, which I guess is only relevant if we let it be an issue. And to be fair, im uncomfortable about most of the wages paid. Its not Adebayors fault someone was daft enough to pay him this much, and why on earth would he want to receive reduced wages. If the loan fee is offset by more wages paid, this makes sense to me. I just don't want him getting a big injury, like Jenas did.
The salute?, its not as offensive to me as a lot of "tailor made" celebrations, be it Robbie Keane, that chicken thing that the bellend from Wet Spam does, or the stupid fecking finger on the lips thing. Im happy if I have to comment on it 30 times this season
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I'd counter that by saying its a bit of much needed PL experience to add to a very young inexperienced team...may be Adebayor will even provide a good connection/mentor role to some of these players if his head is in the right place. We could do with similar experienced heads in midfield (Cambiasso) and at the back (no links yet).
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Maybe this is a bit of generalisation but most footballers who are pricks are like that at the height of their powers, so mid to late 20's (though that seems to be falling every year). But at that age they have the most to gain and the most to earn so if they are good they can be the most demanding and petulant if that's the kind of person they are. When a player hits his late 20's into his 30's the window of his career reduces, his earning potential isn't what it once was and life generally mellows you anyway.
That's kind of what I am hoping for with Adebayor. He's certainly had his moments, but now at 31 has he got to a point where can still be effective yet knows this is very likely his last move at this level? He has to perform to even have a chance of a permanent deal but maybe, just maybe he will also find himself in a situation where he can be a positive influence on younger players. He's clearly got immense talent, will be happy to be out of Spurs where he had lost favour and will be playing again for a manager that believes in him. Maybe he has one more kick at the can left in his career.
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The Adebayor deal is a no lose deal for us. If the joy at escaping a club he clearly hates and being reunited with a manager he does well for does not produce, at least for a few important months, a resurgence in him, the worst that can be said of us is that it was a gamble worth taking. I think he is more likely to be the new John Carew than the new Milan Baros.
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If he's scoring goals for us he can do whatever celebration he likes.
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I think my view of this deal has been coloured for the better by the other business we are doing. If this was the first signing of the summer I might have raised an eyebrow. With what else we have done and are linked with it makes sense.
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(http://i0.wp.com/www.myoldmansaid.com/wp-content/uploads/Adebeyor-training-tour.jpg)
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Compare to other signings this is disappointing. Others are full of vibrancy this a bit meh but may be there is a balance to be struck so let's hope he does it for us.
Agreed. If he was signing for the Albion we'd be pissing ourselves laughing. The difference is he's not our only option up front, he's one of many. In that sense I can see the logic in bringing him in. Worst case, we send him back to Spurs in January.
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Disappointed his name isn't Jordan but he's won me over again with the hat.
I reckon he'll be an excellent signing. I'd still like one, younger, big powerful centre-forward for the future and in case Adebayor gets injured.
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One Emanuel Adebayor
There's only one Emanuel Adebayor
Wordy
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Compare to other signings this is disappointing. Others are full of vibrancy this a bit meh but may be there is a balance to be struck so let's hope he does it for us.
Agreed. If he was signing for the Albion we'd be pissing ourselves laughing. The difference is he's not our only option up front, he's one of many. In that sense I can see the logic in bringing him in. Worst case, we send him back to Spurs in January.
Yes, because he'd signing for Albion and playing for Pulis. Of all the places he could be successful it will be with us. If it doesn't he'll only be available for the length of the loan. It's not that big a risk.
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We are the perfect club for him. The fans are vocal, passionate, funny, clever and committed. Within days he will have his own song and he will respond accordingly. I think I would be depressed if I had wasted the best years of my career at the Arse, Citeh (the big pile of money that used to be a proper football club) and Spuds. All he has played for are accountants in three piece suits. Welcome to B6 Emmanuel. We are the real deal.
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Hoping for a bit of the Carew factor. Adebayor is quality when he's on song. I do agree he could become a cult hero. If it doesn't work out, he's only on loan. However for our sakes I hope he does. I don't worry so much about his laziness as long as the goals come. What's more concerning is his mental health. I hope he's ready to play week in, week out. His head's got to be right.
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If we sign Adebayor on loan I would be fairly pleased to have a forward with a proven record of scoring in the Premier League, also he normally pulls his finger out of his hoop when he is looking for a new contract so hopefully he will bust a gut for us.
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I think my view of this deal has been coloured for the better by the other business we are doing. If this was the first signing of the summer I might have raised an eyebrow. With what else we have done and are linked with it makes sense.
That's my thoughts as well, first signing and it sets alarms about who we'd be getting and exactly how Sherwood saw things longer term. Coming after a few very interesting signings from France and links to another I'm ok with it.
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Adebayor has the potential to be the most misspelt name in Villa's history since Ciaran Clark(e).
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I know its a few years ago when he was top man at Arsenal, but he was class
someone put his goalscoring stats up on here a few pages back and it was impressive, scoring wherever he's gone,i was a bit surprised actually as you come to believe he's just sat around collecting wages for the past couple of years, but when he's played he generally finds the net
I think if he was the main transfer story and the only striker we bought in then we would have every right to feel worried, but he's not, we have a load of jordans and some, so he could just work in the new set up
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To be honest i'm in the excited stage I get when any player is linked or signs for Villa. the years of watching relegation scrap after relegation scrap and seemingly endlessly mind numbing tawdry shite has also left me withered when trying to get too enthused.
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There is something to be said for a bit of experience so I would welcome it at the minute. And with the nature of the deal mooted we might just have a decent chunk of change to spend in January if the recruiting stopped at what we are after currently.
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I know exactly how to spell adibeyor
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How long before Nursey writes a sentence with the words "Villa boo boys..and.. Emmanuel Adebayor" in it?
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We are the perfect club for him. The fans are vocal, passionate, funny, clever and committed. Within days he will have his own song and he will respond accordingly. I think I would be depressed if I had wasted the best years of my career at the Arse, Citeh (the big pile of money that used to be a proper football club) and Spuds. All he has played for are accountants in three piece suits. Welcome to B6 Emmanuel. We are the real deal.
There's a lot of truth in that, Brian. I've often thought we're one of the few remaining big clubs where our supporters are still traditional - old skool as we say in da 'hood. It must be equally dull and embarrassing being a life long supporter of a club that buys trophies to celebrate in front of their gloryhunting/tourist/selfie taking fans.
Last season confirmed just how brilliant our fans are. Thousands traveling up and down the country to support the lads and watch some of the most soul destroying football known to man.
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I am still waiting for his "they fucked my mate Paul over" tome.
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One gets the impression that Adebayor just wants to be loved. If he does the business for us he will be. With a gaffer who rates him and without the constant pressure for success at other clubs he has played for. For a year or two it looks a good fit to me.
And I will try very hard if he does sign to nail us a Trust forum with him.
On that subject, would ant of you associated with the Trust fancy a Q+A with Paddy Reilly? Loads of stuff of the same ilk with patrons being worked on but I ask that simply because I would be interested.
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I welcome the potential addition of Adebayor in the short term he is experienced in the premier league. And he clearly showed he can produce performances under tim at spurs so why not take the chance ?
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He is huge , has a neat hat and hates Tottenham. That will do for me.
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Adebayor has the potential to be the most misspelt name in Villa's history since Ciaran Clark(e).
Sod it. I'm calling everyone Jorden from now on anyway.
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Oh, fuck off, Jordan.
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The natural song for a team full of Jordans is the rugby song "Swing Low". Starting life as a drinking song with lewd gestures, it began "I looked over Jordan (hand above eyes in looking gesture) and what did I see? A Band (musical instrument gestures) of angels (flying gestures) coming (wanking gestures) for (two V signs) to (one V sign) carry me home (rocking baby gestures) Swing low" etc etc.
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As someone who is also a rugly fan that would amuse me.
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Christ Brian we'll be rightly kicked from pillar to post singing some rugby bollocks
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Wales, Wales
Bloody big fishes are Wales.....
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Just for fun.
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He is huge , has a neat hat and hates Tottenham. That will do for me.
I used the same filter when choosing a wife.
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I know exactly how to spell adibeyor
You have spelt his name wrong, it's Addeybuyour.
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Drawing ever closer
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3177635/Emmanuel-Adebayor-undergoing-medical-Aston-Villa-striker-closes-season-long-loan-Tottenham.html
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This signing is growing on me. I reckon he'll do ok.
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I'd love it if we got Adebayor simply for the reason that it would be someone I've actually heard of...
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He is huge , has a neat hat and hates Tottenham. That will do for me.
same here Bri....
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The Doc
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Look at it this way. We were crap in the vast majority of games last season. We have swapped for Benteke for a player who on his day is every bit as good as him and have 30 mil to improve the first eleven. If Tim can get the best out of him this is a great deal.
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Sky now saying that he is having his medical in the morning.
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Sky making it up as they go along?
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Brilliant player when he was at Arsenal, but only 2 goals and huge personal and familiar problems in his last season at Spurs.
This is the reason why he's come to Villa, the elephants'cemetery.
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If he'd scored thirty goals for a team that finished sixth last season, we'd be in with no chance of getting him. As it is, I'll happily take my chances on a bloke that has scored goals whenever he's been a first team regular at some of the top clubs in Europe (and Tottenham) and was a massive success under our current manager as recently as a year ago.
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Sky making it up as they go along?
Well they knew f¤¤k all about the timing of the Benteke going out with a 3 or 4 day medical so I say yes, they're making it up (or "educated" guesses)
We'll have done well if we can get it done in 2 (SKY) days.
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Brilliant player when he was at Arsenal, but only 2 goals and huge personal and familiar problems in his last season at Spurs.
This is the reason why he's come to Villa, the elephants'cemetery.
Well, seeing as how his Dad allegedly washes elephants this should be an excellent move for him and his family.
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What elephants are those?
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Happy with this move, a guy with a solid track record as a goalscorer, and he seems a cheeky chappie too.
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What elephants are those?
It's a slanderous song rival fans used to sing about him. It also cast grossly defamatory aspersions on his mother's alleged choice of profession.
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I thought only men could be mahouts? I would like to know who are these pachyderms interred beneath the holy ground.
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Brilliant player when he was at Arsenal, but only 2 goals and huge personal and familiar problems in his last season at Spurs.
This is the reason why he's come to Villa, the elephants'cemetery.
Is there any chance you might comemnt abiut the big money signings we're making, or will it just be the cheaper ones and loans?
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What elephants are those?
I can't believe you've forgotten. You'd make a rubbish elephant.
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Typical desperate signing of a troubled player that will bring nothing but problems.
The epitomy of what is wrong with professional footballers. Worse signing than Fash the Bash.
We are drinking at the last chance saloon.
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Typical desperate signing of a troubled player that will bring nothing but problems.
The epitomy of what is wrong with professional footballers. Worse signing than Fash the Bash.
We are drinking at the last chance saloon.
I don't know if you've noticed, but we've signed another six players you could also have talked about.
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Worse than Fashanu? Not even close.
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Okay then, I'll humour you. Why is he the epitomy of all that is wrong with professional footballers?
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Typical desperate signing of a troubled player that will bring nothing but problems.
The epitomy of what is wrong with professional footballers. Worse signing than Fash the Bash.
We are drinking at the last chance saloon.
We've struggled for nearly five years now, finished 17th last season and got humiliated in the FA Cup Final. We're not exactly a dream move for most top flight players, so we're going to have to take the odd gamble on players.
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Ignore everything else and only look at how Adebayor performed for Sherwood. A loan move for a year, possibly with Spurs contributing to his wages, makes too much sense to ignore. It allows us to spend in other positions and gives us a year to decide whether to sign him on a free or identify another forward.
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Typical desperate signing of a troubled player that will bring nothing but problems.
The epitomy of what is wrong with professional footballers. Worse signing than Fash the Bash.
We are drinking at the last chance saloon.
Archie has a challenger for most melodramatic post of the summer.
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Brilliant player when he was at Arsenal, but only 2 goals and huge personal and familiar problems in his last season at Spurs.
This is the reason why he's come to Villa, the elephants'cemetery.
Is there any chance you might comemnt abiut the big money signings we're making, or will it just be the cheaper ones and loans?
Dave, try and face the reality: we have arrived 17th with Benteke and Delph, should I be happy to see Benteke replaced by a player that in the last season has scored twice bringing only problems to his club?
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He's not always acquitted himself in the best way, but he's suffered depression, family problems that would make the Eastenders writers wince and was lucky to survive a shooting that would haunt even the hardest bastard for the rest of their days. I wouldn't in any stretch of the imagination put him in the same category as someone like Balotelli for example.
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Sky making it up as they go along?
Well they knew f¤¤k all about the timing of the Benteke going out with a 3 or 4 day medical so I say yes, they're making it up (or "educated" guesses)
We'll have done well if we can get it done in 2 (SKY) days.
yeah but Beaky Beacroft got it spot on weeks ago
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Typical desperate signing of a troubled player that will bring nothing but problems.
The epitomy of what is wrong with professional footballers. Worse signing than Fash the Bash.
We are drinking at the last chance saloon.
Archie has a challenger for most melodramatic post of the summer.
In society with Chicago Lion, at least!
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Brilliant player when he was at Arsenal, but only 2 goals and huge personal and familiar problems in his last season at Spurs.
This is the reason why he's come to Villa, the elephants'cemetery.
Is there any chance you might comemnt abiut the big money signings we're making, or will it just be the cheaper ones and loans?
Dave, try and face the reality: we have arrived 17th with Benteke and Delph, should I be happy to see Benteke replaced by a player that in the last season has scored twice bringing only problems to his club?
Exactly we finished 17th with Benteke and Delph hardly anything to be excited about. Look forwards not back :)
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Brilliant player when he was at Arsenal, but only 2 goals and huge personal and familiar problems in his last season at Spurs.
This is the reason why he's come to Villa, the elephants'cemetery.
Is there any chance you might comemnt abiut the big money signings we're making, or will it just be the cheaper ones and loans?
Dave, try and face the reality: we have arrived 17th with Benteke and Delph, should I be happy to see Benteke replaced by a player that in the last season has scored twice bringing only problems to his club?
Benteke is not the only player we are replacing, and while his like for like replacement might not be as good as he is, those elsewhere in the team certainly are upgrades. So please don't tell me to face some reality that only you can see.
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I think the elephant's graveyard edges it. It is the hint of African colour that wins the melodrama prize.
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Dave, I have always taken you in high esteem, you are 1000 times more experienced than me about Villa, and obviously I hope that you are right and I am wrong, but please do not take it as an offence if at the moment I have a different opinion.
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Dave, I have always taken you in high esteem, you are 1000 times more experienced than me about Villa, and obviously I hope that you are right and I am wrong, but please do not take it as an offence if at the moment I have a different opinion.
It's not that you have a different opinion, but to call Adebayor and Crespo typical of our transfer policy and current status when they are minor parts is totall wrong. As has been said before, we don't need one player to replace Benteke's goals - if two of our new midfielders get seven or eight each we're halfway there.
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It's a gamble but at a fairly low risk. He brings experience and has played most of his time with teams at the top of their leagues. He has presence up front when he is playing well and a real handful.
Whether he can get back to anywhere near how he was, I don't know but on a loan it is a gamble worth taking. It is not as though we are putting all of our eggs in one basket.
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Sorry but it really is a no brainer. Quality striker who the manager gets on with, no fee, same wages ish as benteke. It buys a year to see if Libor can be the man, or if a.n.other comes through. Plus the African contingent will no doubt blend.
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Sorry but it really is a no brainer. Quality striker who the manager gets on with, no fee, same wages ish as benteke. It buys a year to see if Libor can be the man, or if a.n.other comes through. Plus the African contingent will no doubt blend.
Absolutely.
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I'd be concerned if we were paying for him. If we are picking up a proportion of his wages, then I don't see it really being a problem and it adds some experience into the squad.
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Brilliant player when he was at Arsenal, but only 2 goals and huge personal and familiar problems in his last season at Spurs.
This is the reason why he's come to Villa, the elephants'cemetery.
Is there any chance you might comemnt abiut the big money signings we're making, or will it just be the cheaper ones and loans?
Dave, try and face the reality: we have arrived 17th with Benteke and Delph, should I be happy to see Benteke replaced by a player that in the last season has scored twice bringing only problems to his club?
Archie, are you familiar with the English phrase, "lies, damned lies and statistics."
The only way you can truly judge his performances (throughout his career) is to look a little into the background. If you do that I see a pattern of a player who when he's teamed up with a manager who, for want of a better expression, "wants him there" he delivers some decent performance levels. Unfortunately for him he's spent most of the last few years signing for a manager who gets sacked pretty after, but in the periods where he's had time with a manager that knows how to play him he can still deliver at not far of 1 in 2.
I did a bit of a dig a a few nights ago and came up with this. (http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=54042.msg2884165#msg2884165)
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I have the memory of Adebayor scoring for Arsenal at the Holte End in, I think, the 07-08 season, as part of one of the best away performances of any team that I have ever seen at Villa Park in 40 yrs. Arsenal were outstanding and Adebayor played his part. If he can re-capture that spark and motivation then we could be pleasantly surprised.
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Sorry but it really is a no brainer. Quality striker who the manager gets on with, no fee, same wages ish as benteke. It buys a year to see if Libor can be the man, or if a.n.other comes through. Plus the African contingent will no doubt blend.
Absolutely.
Yup. And to paraphrase someone else on here - when you've just finished seventeenth you sure as shit ain't going to attract the second coming of Marco van Basten, no matter how much Premier League wages you can offer him.
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Dave, I have always taken you in high esteem, you are 1000 times more experienced than me about Villa, and obviously I hope that you are right and I am wrong, but please do not take it as an offence if at the moment I have a different opinion.
It's not that you have a different opinion, but to call Adebayor and Crespo typical of our transfer policy and current status when they are minor parts is totall wrong. As has been said before, we don't need one player to replace Benteke's goals - if two of our new midfielders get seven or eight each we're halfway there.
Like I said yesterday, we need goals from other areas of the pitch. Spending the majority of the Benteke money just on one player to replace him would have been madness and we could have been worse off. I think Tim's gone the right way about it.
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Sorry but it really is a no brainer. Quality striker who the manager gets on with, no fee, same wages ish as benteke. It buys a year to see if Libor can be the man, or if a.n.other comes through. Plus the African contingent will no doubt blend.
Now there's a sweeping generalisation.
That's like saying we could sign a squad based on German, Dutch, Portuguese, Finnish and Norwegian players and there'll be no problems because they're all European.
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Brilliant player when he was at Arsenal, but only 2 goals and huge personal and familiar problems in his last season at Spurs.
This is the reason why he's come to Villa, the elephants'cemetery.
Is there any chance you might comemnt abiut the big money signings we're making, or will it just be the cheaper ones and loans?
Dave, try and face the reality: we have arrived 17th with Benteke and Delph, should I be happy to see Benteke replaced by a player that in the last season has scored twice bringing only problems to his club?
Benteke is not the only player we are replacing, and while his like for like replacement might not be as good as he is, those elsewhere in the team certainly are upgrades. So please don't tell me to face some reality that only you can see.
Can't see your antagonism here Dave. Adebayor will have many people questioning the sense of the signing. Liverpool and Tottenham have had 2 summers where the bought seemingly many upgrades on what they had, but didn't fit them into their team and they struggled relatively. With all the will in the world we don't know if what we have are upgrades as many of us hadn't heard of many of these players and we simply just don't know. We haven't got much room for manoeuvre in our finishing positions based on the past 5 seasons.
I'm very much in the wait and see school of thought on every signing we've made and how we'll fare. But I can certainly see and appreciate Archie's position.
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Dave, try and face the reality: we have arrived 17th with Benteke and Delph, should I be happy to see Benteke replaced by a player that in the last season has scored twice bringing only problems to his club?
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I'm with you Archie.
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Dave, try and face the reality: we have arrived 17th with Benteke and Delph, should I be happy to see Benteke replaced by a player that in the last season has scored twice bringing only problems to his club?
I'm with you Archie.
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Am I the only person who thinks Delph wasn't all that..? And we've stayed in the Premier League since its inception largely without Benteke, so chill the fcuk out!
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Sorry but it really is a no brainer. Quality striker who the manager gets on with, no fee, same wages ish as benteke. It buys a year to see if Libor can be the man, or if a.n.other comes through. Plus the African contingent will no doubt blend.
Now there's a sweeping generalisation.
That's like saying we could sign a squad based on German, Dutch, Portuguese, Finnish and Norwegian players and there'll be no problems because they're all European.
Indeed it is. but there a modicum of reality to it. Northern europeans - Scandanavians, Dutch, Germans for example - tend to do well in the English leagues whilst the Latin Europeans tend to fare better in the French/Spanish/Italian leagues. I am well aware that there are now going to be stats disproving this.
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I have the memory of Adebayor scoring for Arsenal at the Holte End in, I think, the 07-08 season, as part of one of the best away performances of any team that I have ever seen at Villa Park in 40 yrs. Arsenal were outstanding and Adebayor played his part. If he can re-capture that spark and motivation then we could be pleasantly surprised.
I remember that match, and absolutely agree, it was one of the best away sides I've seen in decades.
Not only that, but I seem to recall Hleb putting in one of the finest individual performances I've seen in that time, for about an hour or so until Carew kicked him really hard and he had to go off. He was absolutely brilliant.
re Adebayor that night, though, worth remembering, it was 8 years ago.
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I might be missing something but the chance to get in an oven ready premier league striker on a short term/low risk deal while we bed in new and recently injured players as longer term options seems like a pretty good approach.
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I might be missing something but the chance to get in an oven ready premier league striker on a short term/low risk deal while we bed in new and recently injured players as longer term options seems like a pretty good approach.
On a season long loan, I have absolutely no problem with it.
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I might be missing something but the chance to get in an oven ready premier league striker on a short term/low risk deal while we bed in new and recently injured players as longer term options seems like a pretty good approach.
Absolutely, and anyone who disgarees should remember you're a boxer.
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I might be missing something but the chance to get in an oven ready premier league striker on a short term/low risk deal while we bed in new and recently injured players as longer term options seems like a pretty good approach.
Whilst I agree, I'd slightly query the 'oven ready' bit as he hasn't played for a while and may need time to get match sharp.
But I'm still in favour of the move as a loan.
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But I am not antagonist of Dave in any sense and I would be very disappointed if I had unintentionally given this impression, or if I had been desrespectful when I invited to him to face the reality.
In this occasion we have different views about Adebayor, but generally speaking I have only to learn by him that is one of the most cultured and experienced Villa fan I have ever met.
I was delightful when Frank introduced me to him at Norwich, he is half Italian if my memories doesn't fail me, and he even understands some Italian words!
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But I am not antagonist of Dave in any sense and I would be very disappointed if I had unintentionally given this impression, or if I had been desrespectful when I invited to him to face the reality.
In this occasion we have different views about Adebayor, but generally speaking I have only to learn by him that is one of the most cultured and experienced Villa fan I have ever met.
I was delightful when Frank introduced me to him at Norwich, he is half Italian if my memories doesn't fail me, and he even understands some Italian words!
See, cultured and experienced. But not half-Italian. Thank you.
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Damn straight *checks order status of hand wraps on Amazon*
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But I am not antagonist of Dave in any sense and I would be very disappointed if I had unintentionally given this impression, or if I had been desrespectful when I invited to him to face the reality.
In this occasion we have different views about Adebayor, but generally speaking I have only to learn by him that is one of the most cultured and experienced Villa fan I have ever met.
I was delightful when Frank introduced me to him at Norwich, he is half Italian if my memories doesn't fail me, and he even understands some Italian words!
See, cultured and experienced. But not half-Italian. Thank you.
100% Brummie.
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But I am not antagonist of Dave in any sense and I would be very disappointed if I had unintentionally given this impression, or if I had been desrespectful when I invited to him to face the reality.
In this occasion we have different views about Adebayor, but generally speaking I have only to learn by him that is one of the most cultured and experienced Villa fan I have ever met.
I was delightful when Frank introduced me to him at Norwich, he is half Italian if my memories doesn't fail me, and he even understands some Italian words!
See, cultured and experienced. But not half-Italian. Thank you.
100% Brummie.
Bollocks.
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I might be missing something but the chance to get in an oven ready premier league striker on a short term/low risk deal while we bed in new and recently injured players as longer term options seems like a pretty good approach.
Whilst I agree, I'd slightly query the 'oven ready' bit as he hasn't played for a while and may need time to get match sharp.
But I'm still in favour of the move as a loan.
Adebayor hasn't played any kind of match for a long time. To get match fit will take more than a few weeks to get up to speed. Judging by Kozak's performance tonight he might not be needed for some time.
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I think the 14 in 24 starts under Sherwood between 18 and 12 months ago are what we should really be looking on. Last season Pochetino didn't fancy him and Kane became the total centre piece for Spurs, and Adebayor has always seemed one that plays for the manager he likes. While I think that is wholly unprofessional, I know I work harder for bosses I have liked through my working life, so I can understand it. Clearly he has a rapport with Sherwood, and if he comes and scores 10-15 goals this season then he will be worth every penny.
We are basically ensuring that we have other options, that maybe we won't even need watching the pre season form of Kozak, but I would much prefer to have Adebayor as our back up plan than playing Gabby down the middle and crossing our fingers. It then gives us a year to scout around another Benteke too, which Sherwood may not have found/ had chance to do thinking he would keep the big man this summer.
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Sorry but it really is a no brainer. Quality striker who the manager gets on with, no fee, same wages ish as benteke. It buys a year to see if Libor can be the man, or if a.n.other comes through. Plus the African contingent will no doubt blend.
Now there's a sweeping generalisation.
That's like saying we could sign a squad based on German, Dutch, Portuguese, Finnish and Norwegian players and there'll be no problems because they're all European.
Indeed it is. but there a modicum of reality to it. Northern europeans - Scandanavians, Dutch, Germans for example - tend to do well in the English leagues whilst the Latin Europeans tend to fare better in the French/Spanish/Italian leagues. I am well aware that there are now going to be stats disproving this.
That might well be so and I've not got any data to prove the argument one way or the other, but intuitively I'd say it's because the individual domestic leagues better mirror the new host league, as with Scandinavians tending to adapt well to English football as an example.
I have no insight to the cultural differences or similarities, not to mention political rivalries to make an educated guess as to whether there's any potential benefit.
Maybe a better "bad" European example would be a Serb, a Bosnian, an Albanian and a Kosovan. Now that would be a recipe for dressing room tension.
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Sounds like the start of a bad joke. Or a civil war.
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See, cultured and experienced. But not half-Italian. Thank you.
Sorry, I had taken that your grandmother was Italian or something like that, but probably I was drunk after the Norwich win! ;D
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Maybe a better "bad" European example would be a Serb, a Bosnian, an Albanian and a Kosovan. Now that would be a recipe for dressing room tension.
Or a chance for them to realise how much they have in common compared to their new found hosts...
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Ignore everything else and only look at how Adebayor performed for Sherwood. A loan move for a year, possibly with Spurs contributing to his wages, makes too much sense to ignore. It allows us to spend in other positions and gives us a year to decide whether to sign him on a free or identify another forward.
Totally agree. The fact that he is in the last year of his deal will hopefully mean he will be keen to impress. I'm trusting Sherwood's judgment on this one, as he is in the position to know.
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Maybe a better "bad" European example would be a Serb, a Bosnian, an Albanian and a Kosovan. Now that would be a recipe for dressing room tension.
Or a chance for them to realise how much they have in common compared to their new found hosts...
We had two Serbs and a Croatian before. That went well...
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Maybe a better "bad" European example would be a Serb, a Bosnian, an Albanian and a Kosovan. Now that would be a recipe for dressing room tension.
Or a chance for them to realise how much they have in common compared to their new found hosts...
We had two Serbs and a Croatian before. That went well...
My memory from the early to late 90's is not the best to say the least...did they not get on?!
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Skye says he will be having a medical tomorrow (Wednesday), a loan deal by all accounts.
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Do we know if Adebayor has been in pre-season training with the Spuds squad? Obviously he hasn't had much game time but if he's general fitness is ok to good then he should pretty much walk straight into the team (I'm not convinced by Kozak even if he does have a handy habit of scoring a few goals).
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Do we know if Adebayor has been in pre-season training with the Spuds squad? Obviously he hasn't had much game time but if he's general fitness is ok to good then he should pretty much walk straight into the team (I'm not convinced by Kozak even if he does have a handy habit of scoring a few goals).
He has had no game time since the back end of 2014! He is unfit let alone match fit for the top division. Not injured mind you but has been picking up 100grand a week for doing nothing.Kozak was very good last night very good indeed!
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I'd be surprised if he starts v Bournemouth
Indie reporting we're paying the full £100k per week plus a loan fee. I struggle to believe that's true. We could have done that deal weeks ago surely?
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if we have we've learned nothing and Sherwood's head must button up the back
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Rumblings that Ade is now a done deal. Announcing imminently. Veretout sounds nailed on too.
Could be a good transfer window for us - Losing our best 2 players from last season might be a blessing in disguise. After all 16 teams finished above us without those two!
It's allowed us to give the squad a bloody good cleanout. I'm mildly optimistic! :o
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I was just wondering whether we're going to keep up the 1 new signing per day this week, sounds possible. I'm going to say Adebeyor today, Veretout tomorrow and Berbatov Friday. We'd be well covered then, although I'll be greedy and request another centre back.
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...and we may as well push the boat out for a new RB too please!
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...and we may as well push the boat out for a new RB too please!
I'm with KRS. It's a need not a want
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I was just wondering whether we're going to keep up the 1 new signing per day this week, sounds possible. I'm going to say Adebeyor today, Veretout tomorrow and Berbatov Friday. We'd be well covered then, although I'll be greedy and request another centre back.
As long as Friday is incorrect, please be Gestede instead, not relic Berbatov.
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I'd be surprised if he starts v Bournemouth
Indie reporting we're paying the full £100k per week plus a loan fee. I struggle to believe that's true. We could have done that deal weeks ago surely?
Maybe we deliberately left it til later in the summer to save us half a million or more in wages plus more in NI contributions, yet enough time so he can be integrated with the squad before the season starts. Added to the faint hope that Benteke would stay.
Mind you I'd be surprised and a bit pissed-off if we are paying all his wages. If they really are £100k, he's not the player I would want us to have broken the four-year retrenchment on the wage bill for.
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I'd be surprised if he starts v Bournemouth
Indie reporting we're paying the full £100k per week plus a loan fee. I struggle to believe that's true. We could have done that deal weeks ago surely?
I don't believe for one second we are paying him £100k per week
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I'd be surprised if he starts v Bournemouth
Indie reporting we're paying the full £100k per week plus a loan fee. I struggle to believe that's true. We could have done that deal weeks ago surely?
I don't believe for one second we are paying him £100k per week
Neither do I
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Is his medical being done by the Doctor who did Benteke - its taking a while ::)
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Ah the little ears specialist.
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Will a medical be able to tell if his moms juju witchcraft is still having an effect on him?
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I'd be surprised if he starts v Bournemouth
Indie reporting we're paying the full £100k per week plus a loan fee. I struggle to believe that's true. We could have done that deal weeks ago surely?
If that is true it is absolutely nuts. Spurs would pay £5m wages for a player they won't use. Surely they should be paying us to reduce that deficit?
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...and we may as well push the boat out for a new RB too please!
I'm with KRS. It's a need not a want
Hutton had a great season. What's all the clamor for a right back? he's done more than enough to justify his chance.
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Dr Kananga and Baron Samedi are supervising the medical, just in from SSN
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...and we may as well push the boat out for a new RB too please!
I'm with KRS. It's a need not a want
Hutton had a great season. What's all the clamor for a right back? he's done more than enough to justify his chance.
My view was that AH had a decent return from the bomb squad at first in a very poor team but then faded rapidly as soon as the ball started going forwards more, he then reverted to type and started assaulting people ;-) His main problem is an inability to cross the ball - that is not his game I know but it is what we need!
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If Tim can get him playing as he was at Spurs when he scored 14 in 28 games he can be just as effective as Benteke. When Adebayor is on his game he's a real handful - a big tall guy at 6'3''. He's dangerous on crosses and can shoot with both feet. I think he'll respond to Tim who seems to have a midas touch with strikers out of form.
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...and we may as well push the boat out for a new RB too please!
I'm with KRS. It's a need not a want
Hutton had a great season. What's all the clamor for a right back? he's done more than enough to justify his chance.
My view was that AH had a decent return from the bomb squad at first in a very poor team but then faded rapidly as soon as the ball started going forwards more, he then reverted to type and started assaulting people ;-) His main problem is an inability to cross the ball - that is not his game I know but it is what we need!
Largely this, I think his main problem is that he's a red card waiting to happen, if he was a match winner he might get away with it but if you're an average defender you need to be doing everything you can to be available for 90minutes 38 times a season, that's where your value exists.
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We need Hutton for four games next season; three if he does his job properly first time.
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...and we may as well push the boat out for a new RB too please!
I'm with KRS. It's a need not a want
Hutton had a great season. What's all the clamor for a right back? he's done more than enough to justify his chance.
My view was that AH had a decent return from the bomb squad at first in a very poor team but then faded rapidly as soon as the ball started going forwards more, he then reverted to type and started assaulting people ;-) His main problem is an inability to cross the ball - that is not his game I know but it is what we need!
Largely this, I think his main problem is that he's a red card waiting to happen, if he was a match winner he might get away with it but if you're an average defender you need to be doing everything you can to be available for 90minutes 38 times a season, that's where your value exists.
I'd keep hold of Bacuna and Hutton as squad players for this season, but they are the weak links in our first team now and any team should quite rightly attack down their left wing. More often than not, you will find them out of position, slow to track back, yellow/red cards waiting to happen, can't cross a ball and can't keep a shot on target...they are very average players in what appears to be an improving team so not a lot going for the pair of them to be fair.
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We need Hutton for four games next season; three if he does his job properly first time.
Delph won't get 2 starts for Man City next season regardless of whether Hutton does his job properly first time or not.
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...and we may as well push the boat out for a new RB too please!
I'm with KRS. It's a need not a want
Hutton had a great season. What's all the clamor for a right back? he's done more than enough to justify his chance.
My view was that AH had a decent return from the bomb squad at first in a very poor team but then faded rapidly as soon as the ball started going forwards more, he then reverted to type and started assaulting people ;-) His main problem is an inability to cross the ball - that is not his game I know but it is what we need!
Largely this, I think his main problem is that he's a red card waiting to happen, if he was a match winner he might get away with it but if you're an average defender you need to be doing everything you can to be available for 90minutes 38 times a season, that's where your value exists.
I'd keep hold of Bacuna and Hutton as squad players for this season, but they are the weak links in our first team now and any team should quite rightly attack down their left wing. More often than not, you will find them out of position, slow to track back, yellow/red cards waiting to happen, can't cross a ball and can't keep a shot on target...they are very average players in what appears to be an improving team so not a lot going for the pair of them to be fair.
Bacuna can cross tbf, as he demonstrated with several assists once sherwood came in and he had a run of games at rb. Neither him or Hutton are the best right backs in the world but I think we can muddle through with them.
Having said that I'd be happy to see us get a new right back in, but I'd hope we sort a centre forward and midfielder first.
Also I think if an offer comes in we'd sell Hutton. We have cover for all the defensive positions without him.
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We need Hutton for four games next season; three if he does his job properly first time.
Maybe we should go along with John Gregory's latest utterly mental suggestion and bring in Joey Barton...
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Yeah Bacuna got a few assists but for every good cross theres 5 bad ones that either sail past the far post or over the bar. As yourself and someone else mentioned the other day, he does seem better crossing from deep from RB than further up the pitch when playing RM. A perfect example was at Walsall...he was in acres of space, had time to control the ball, look up and pick a man out...but instead of taking the bounce off the ball, he attempted a first time cross that ended up not only over the bar but over the stand...probably somewhere on the M6 at J9!
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...and we may as well push the boat out for a new RB too please!
I'm with KRS. It's a need not a want
Hutton had a great season. What's all the clamor for a right back? he's done more than enough to justify his chance.
My view was that AH had a decent return from the bomb squad at first in a very poor team but then faded rapidly as soon as the ball started going forwards more, he then reverted to type and started assaulting people ;-) His main problem is an inability to cross the ball - that is not his game I know but it is what we need!
Largely this, I think his main problem is that he's a red card waiting to happen, if he was a match winner he might get away with it but if you're an average defender you need to be doing everything you can to be available for 90minutes 38 times a season, that's where your value exists.
I'd keep hold of Bacuna and Hutton as squad players for this season, but they are the weak links in our first team now and any team should quite rightly attack down their left wing. More often than not, you will find them out of position, slow to track back, yellow/red cards waiting to happen, can't cross a ball and can't keep a shot on target...they are very average players in what appears to be an improving team so not a lot going for the pair of them to be fair.
And yet, a point never raised about our most often booked player of last season (Clark). Maybe with Hutton, memories of his first few appearances are indelibly scorched into our minds.
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Yeah Bacuna got a few assists but for every good cross theres 5 bad ones that either sail past the far post or over the bar. As yourself and someone else mentioned the other day, he does seem better crossing from deep from RB than further up the pitch when playing RM. A perfect example was at Walsall...he was in acres of space, had time to control the ball, look up and pick a man out...but instead of taking the bounce off the ball, he attempted a first time cross that ended up not only over the bar but over the stand...probably somewhere on the M6 at J9!
I don't think one in 5 genuinely good crosses is that bad an average tbf. I think it's an underrated art. And often what makes a cross a good one is someone getting on the end of it. For a long time we've had a team where very few people get into the box, lessening the chances of a cross being successful.
You're right about his crossing from deep.
I bet, without checking, that he's got more goals and assists than any of our midfielders from the last couple of years, so he does actually have impacts on games, which is why I like him, despite sometimes struggling defensively.
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I like Bacuna I would want us to keep him.
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His got very long legs so medical will take longer than normal.
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...and we may as well push the boat out for a new RB too please!
I'm with KRS. It's a need not a want
Hutton had a great season. What's all the clamor for a right back? he's done more than enough to justify his chance.
I agree, he's solid and pretty reliable.
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Reliable as in he'll turn up in time for kick off?
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Reliable as in he'll turn up in time for kick off?
As a defensive full back Hutton is far better than Bacuna. Although he motors into opposition territory he only rarely puts in a decent cross. I would much prefer to see Richards at full back. He is not big enough to play centre half and doesn't give the impression of being safe. A bit like Okore in that respect.
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I like Hutton.
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...and we may as well push the boat out for a new RB too please!
I'm with KRS. It's a need not a want
Hutton had a great season. What's all the clamor for a right back? he's done more than enough to justify his chance.
My view was that AH had a decent return from the bomb squad at first in a very poor team but then faded rapidly as soon as the ball started going forwards more, he then reverted to type and started assaulting people ;-) His main problem is an inability to cross the ball - that is not his game I know but it is what we need!
Would agree with that, his form tailed off badly last season around the time of the West Brom cup game when he should have sent off. Really poor going forward which is surprising as that is how he made his name way back, the Scotch Cafu or something like that.
I know he wasnt the only one but he was disgracefully bad in the cup final
Kyle Walker to return please
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...and we may as well push the boat out for a new RB too please!
I'm with KRS. It's a need not a want
Hutton had a great season. What's all the clamor for a right back? he's done more than enough to justify his chance.
My view was that AH had a decent return from the bomb squad at first in a very poor team but then faded rapidly as soon as the ball started going forwards more, he then reverted to type and started assaulting people ;-) His main problem is an inability to cross the ball - that is not his game I know but it is what we need!
Would agree with that, his form tailed off badly last season around the time of the West Brom cup game when he should have sent off. Really poor going forward which is surprising as that is how he made his name way back, the Scotch Cafu or something like that.
I know he wasnt the only one but he was disgracefully bad in the cup final
Kyle Walker to return please
If it's Scotch we're having I'll have a Johnny not Kyle Walker thanks very much.
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If Tim can get him playing as he was at Spurs when he scored 14 in 28 games he can be just as effective as Benteke. When Adebayor is on his game he's a real handful - a big tall guy at 6'3''. He's dangerous on crosses and can shoot with both feet. I think he'll respond to Tim who seems to have a midas touch with strikers out of form.
I recall people saying the same thing when we signed Collymore. I used to look at them with incredulity.
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If you think Hutton is a bit agricultural at right back I really cant understand the clamour to see Richards there, he can control it further than Hutton can kick it.
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Adebayor adaebayor give him the ball and he will score
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that was long ago and far away
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Bringing Adebayor into the club equates to the Roy Keane scenario.Things will be going well for a while and posters on all forums will be lauding Tim Sherwood up to the heavens.Then
it will kick off and we will find it was not such a good idea after all.
Still, at least we didn't buy him outright!
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Cheer up Mr U. The season ahead at least will contain lots of stuff to keep us interested. Anything is better than the back to back TSMs and their turgid, negative, boring defeatism. Some of Tim's signings will be comedy acts, that is the nature of the game but others will stir the blood. Marlon was useless but how we cheered when he celebrated after winning a corner in front of the Holte.
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Bringing Adebayor into the club equates to the Roy Keane scenario.Things will be going well for a while and posters on all forums will be lauding Tim Sherwood up to the heavens.Then
it will kick off and we will find it was not such a good idea after all.
Still, at least we didn't buy him outright!
Or he might be a roaring success under Sherwood. We'll find out won't we?
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Bringing Adebayor into the club equates to the Roy Keane scenario.Things will be going well for a while and posters on all forums will be lauding Tim Sherwood up to the heavens.Then
it will kick off and we will find it was not such a good idea after all.
Still, at least we didn't buy him outright!
Or he might be a roaring success under Sherwood. We'll find out won't we?
It should be interesting not dull that's for sure!
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I am looking forward to finding out.
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the championship managers on here are brilliant, they've never signed a bad player, and always win their league.
Just maybe Tim Sherwood is Aston Villa manager on judgement calls, and he see's Adebayor as a good option, as Tim has worked with him before, the cost is right, and most importantly Tim believes the player will advance his team,
On that basis, I say "if the gaffer, who hasn't done a lot wrong up to now, wants to try out a player, then maybe his a bit better informed then an internet manager."
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the championship managers on here are brilliant, they've never signed a bad player, and always win their league.
Just maybe Tim Sherwood is Aston Villa manager on judgement calls, and he see's Adebayor as a good option, as Tim has worked with him before, the cost is right, and most importantly Tim believes the player will advance his team,
On that basis, I say "if the gaffer, who hasn't done a lot wrong up to now, wants to try out a player, then maybe his a bit better informed then an internet manager."
Oh, no, not that one again.
By which measure we'd better close this place down as it exists entirely on the basis of people who have never so much as kicked a ball in professional football disagreeing with people who have.
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Short of memory, too.
They finished 7th last season.
Nah, they finished 16th.
I suppose it isn't fair to say , but fuck it.
As "a top flight side" laughs up sleeve, there pretty much on a par with the lower leagues of England, ie York City. So on that basis, wtf are we doing offering a boat load of money for a player from York, we aint no big time charlies , ask Fabian, so renegotiate , half the offering price and threaten the town of orient with the guillotine, or we'll Taunt them some more.
How do you figure that the lower half of the French top flight is the same level as the English fourth division? That's utter bollocks.
that's exactly my point the lower half of the French league is utter bolox.
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Also those professional football managers have quite often been proved wrong. As it happens in this case I think Adebayor is worth a punt.
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the championship managers on here are brilliant, they've never signed a bad player, and always win their league.
Just maybe Tim Sherwood is Aston Villa manager on judgement calls, and he see's Adebayor as a good option, as Tim has worked with him before, the cost is right, and most importantly Tim believes the player will advance his team,
On that basis, I say "if the gaffer, who hasn't done a lot wrong up to now, wants to try out a player, then maybe his a bit better informed then an internet manager."
You do know that you've posted that on a football forum don't you?
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I'm cautiously optimistic this won't happen
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Bringing Adebayor into the club equates to the Roy Keane scenario.Things will be going well for a while and posters on all forums will be lauding Tim Sherwood up to the heavens.Then
it will kick off and we will find it was not such a good idea after all.
Still, at least we didn't buy him outright!
If we only take him on loan, or takeover Spurs' contract, then we are mitigating against that risk.
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the championship managers on here are brilliant, they've never signed a bad player, and always win their league.
Just maybe Tim Sherwood is Aston Villa manager on judgement calls, and he see's Adebayor as a good option, as Tim has worked with him before, the cost is right, and most importantly Tim believes the player will advance his team,
On that basis, I say "if the gaffer, who hasn't done a lot wrong up to now, wants to try out a player, then maybe his a bit better informed then an internet manag
You do know that you've posted that on a football forum don't you?
your better than that Clampy
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Bringing Adebayor into the club equates to the Roy Keane scenario.Things will be going well for a while and posters on all forums will be lauding Tim Sherwood up to the heavens.Then
it will kick off and we will find it was not such a good idea after all.
Still, at least we didn't buy him outright!
If we only take him on loan, or takeover Spurs' contract, then we are mitigating against that risk.
Exactly. I don't see why people are against us loaning 1 in 2 striker who has lots of experience.
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Bringing Adebayor into the club equates to the Roy Keane scenario.Things will be going well for a while and posters on all forums will be lauding Tim Sherwood up to the heavens.Then
it will kick off and we will find it was not such a good idea after all.
Still, at least we didn't buy him outright!
If we only take him on loan, or takeover Spurs' contract, then we are mitigating against that risk.
Exactly. I don't see why people are against us loaning 1 in 2 striker who has lots of experience.
Plus, the argument against Adebayor is that he needs to be motivated properly and that if he isn't then he causes problems.
Well at the end of this loan deal he doesn't have a contract with anybody anymore. So if he wants more wages from either us or somebody else he's going to have to show over the next 11 months that he is worth it.
If we were signing him on a two or three year deal now then I'd be a bit concerned, but a year on loan and the player out of contract at the end of it? There doesn't really seem to be a downside.
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We need the experience , get him in I say .
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I'm cautiously optimistic this won't happen
I'll have a fiver with you that it does
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I think its already happened and later today you will see the 2nd best Togolese player (after Sally) stretching a shirt.
If you wait till Friday, you might see him, Gestede and Veretout stretching things at BMH.
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I think its already happened and later today you will see the 2nd best Togolese player (after Sally) stretching a shirt.
If you wait till Friday, you might see him, Gestede and Veretout stretching things at BMH.
Is this to do with the facials from Sherwood?
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More than likely. Poor bloke will be blowing out nothing but steam by the end of the window.
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If we were signing him on a two or three year deal now then I'd be a bit concerned, but a year on loan and the player out of contract at the end of it? There doesn't really seem to be a downside.
I agree.
When I saw initially that we were rumoured to be buying him, with the implication of a two or three year contract, I was horrified. A loan is way more palatable.
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That Whispers guy on twitter has just posted
avfc land fantastic adebayor deal, avoiding £5m asking fee which rough equate £96k a week in first year. happy dealings everywhere.
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That Whispers guy on twitter has just posted
avfc land fantastic adebayor deal, avoiding £5m asking fee which rough equate £96k a week in first year. happy dealings everywhere.
That will be from the facials.
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I'm still not sure about Adebayor. Would prefer Gestede and Berbatov. Those 2 plus Gabby, Ayew and Kozak looks quite a decent set and I'm sure we would get a good pairing plus bench option. Don't see the point in taking the big risk with Adebayor, even if it is only for a season loan.
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I'm still not sure about Adebayor. Would prefer Gestede and Berbatov. Those 2 plus Gabby, Ayew and Kozak looks quite a decent set and I'm sure we would get a good pairing plus bench option. Don't see the point in taking the big risk with Adebayor, even if it is only for a season loan.
I would be surprised if Gabby is even 4th choice striker come a few months in and the new guys have settled
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I'm still not sure about Adebayor. Would prefer Gestede and Berbatov. Those 2 plus Gabby, Ayew and Kozak looks quite a decent set and I'm sure we would get a good pairing plus bench option. Don't see the point in taking the big risk with Adebayor, even if it is only for a season loan.
I would be surprised if Gabby is even 4th choice striker come a few months in and the new guys have settled
True, but it would be good if 2 out of Gestede, Ayew and Kozak did the business next season, and I think it's quite possible.
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the championship managers on here are brilliant, they've never signed a bad player, and always win their league.
Just maybe Tim Sherwood is Aston Villa manager on judgement calls, and he see's Adebayor as a good option, as Tim has worked with him before, the cost is right, and most importantly Tim believes the player will advance his team,
On that basis, I say "if the gaffer, who hasn't done a lot wrong up to now, wants to try out a player, then maybe his a bit better informed then an internet manag
You do know that you've posted that on a football forum don't you?
your better than that Clampy
What's your point?
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the championship managers on here are brilliant, they've never signed a bad player, and always win their league.
Just maybe Tim Sherwood is Aston Villa manager on judgement calls, and he see's Adebayor as a good option, as Tim has worked with him before, the cost is right, and most importantly Tim believes the player will advance his team,
On that basis, I say "if the gaffer, who hasn't done a lot wrong up to now, wants to try out a player, then maybe his a bit better informed then an internet manag
You do know that you've posted that on a football forum don't you?
your better than that Clampy
What's your point?
I think it was to use the wrong 'your'. Apart from that I'm not to sure either.
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the championship managers on here are brilliant, they've never signed a bad player, and always win their league.
Just maybe Tim Sherwood is Aston Villa manager on judgement calls, and he see's Adebayor as a good option, as Tim has worked with him before, the cost is right, and most importantly Tim believes the player will advance his team,
On that basis, I say "if the gaffer, who hasn't done a lot wrong up to now, wants to try out a player, then maybe his a bit better informed then an internet manag
You do know that you've posted that on a football forum don't you?
your better than that Clampy
What's your point?
I think it was to use the wrong 'your'. Apart from that I'm not to sure either.
Wrong 'to'.
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touché!
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Irish Villains posting on my Facebook feed, Done Deal, welcome aboard. Anyone know anything?
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I got that aswell. A couple of hours ago now so I've questioned it.
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I'm getting worried that it seems to be taking a while!
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Dragging on a bit. I keep looking on SSNHQ and seeing the same things over and over.
Maybe he failed the medical
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Maybe they're stalling to announce all the signings together?
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I got that aswell. A couple of hours ago now so I've questioned it.
This has just popped up on my Facebook feed, has to be bollocks surely as he's been pictured at Villa Park. What's the time lapse I wonder?
Irish Villans AVFC
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Jordan Veretout is currently at Bodymoor Heath ....jc
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Maybe they're stalling to announce all the signings together?
You mean like team Sky crossing the finish line of the Tour de France?
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Maybe they're stalling to announce all the signings together?
You mean like team Sky crossing the finish line of the Tour de France?
Hopefully it'll be a x3 Friday bounce fest. God knows we've earned it.
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Maybe they're stalling to announce all the signings together?
You mean like team Sky crossing the finish line of the Tour de France?
Hopefully it'll be a x3 Friday bounce fest. God knows we've earned it.
the Sky TV cameras will need something to do around Birmingham tomorrow afternoon when there's no cricket to cover
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Maybe they're stalling to announce all the signings together?
You mean like team Sky crossing the finish line of the Tour de France?
Hopefully it'll be a x3 Friday bounce fest. God knows we've earned it.
the Sky TV cameras will need something to do around Birmingham tomorrow afternoon when there's no cricket to cover
Now has all the makings of a good shit conspiracy theory.
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Apologies if this has already been suggested but maybe Gestede is happening due to Adebayor deal falling through?
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Apologies if this has already been suggested but maybe Gestede is happening due to Adebayor deal falling through?
Nay nay and thrice nay.
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Apologies if this has already been suggested but maybe Gestede is happening due to Adebayor deal falling through?
I do hope so. I much prefer Gestede.
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Agreed hopefully 'the accident looking for somewhere to happen' will happen somewhere else.
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I did think that but we'd have moved very quickly following adebayor's visit - it would have to have fallen through v soon after that.
But I completely agree I can't see why we need all these centre forwards. I'd imagined we'll play one up w grealish and / or Gil in behind a lot
Does seem a bit odd
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I hope Adebayor move off for good.
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I hope Adebayor move off for good.
Me too, we don't need him with Gestede coming in. Can't imagine him being a happy camper as second choice behind Gestede and that's a headache we could do without. Think the odds on this signing being a disaster have increased with the news Gestede is on his way
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Cambiasso was at BH a few weeks ago, apparently.
He also had a medical with us last before ending up (as nobody really goes there by choice) at Leicester.
Amafiltano was also seen around Bodymoor during Houllier's time.
We usually assume that if a player gets that far, it is a formality that they will sign. But for the players themselves, that initial visit might just be part of the decision process. Or everything might be fine on that front, but the deal falls through for other reasons.
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i'll be a bit disappointed now if the Adebayor deal falls through
and that's something I never thought I'd ever write
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I hope Adebayor move off for good.
Me too, we don't need him with Gestede coming in. Can't imagine him being a happy camper as second choice behind Gestede and that's a headache we could do without. Think the odds on this signing being a disaster have increased with the news Gestede is on his way
Agree on both of these posts.
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I hope Adebayor move off for good.
Me too, we don't need him with Gestede coming in. Can't imagine him being a happy camper as second choice behind Gestede and that's a headache we could do without. Think the odds on this signing being a disaster have increased with the news Gestede is on his way
Agree on both of these posts.
I think it will be great to have them all fighting for positions, we get an injury to one, maybe two, who cares, others are waiting to take there chance.
If Adebayor plays his face, then he won't get game time.
Personally, I feel he will realise this is his last chance to secure a possible contract next summer, he can put himself in the shop window, he loves money so I expect him to have a big big season for us.
Be interesting to see what he can do against his former clubs with us.
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Lunch at 15.07? I think not. Adebyor has heralded more new dawns than a herd of Druids. If we get one good season out of him before he gets bored, then great. A loan is ideal as wouldn't want xto get lumbered with his extravagant wages and rider demands- i hear he insists on being addressed as Addy The Great by the entire staff before every game.
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Lunch at 15.07? I think not. Adebyor has heralded more new dawns than a herd of Druids. If we get one good season out of him before he gets bored, then great. A loan is ideal as wouldn't want xto get lumbered with his extravagant wages and rider demands- i hear he insists on being addressed as Addy The Great by the entire staff before every game.
If he scores a hat-trick against Man Utd then I'm happy for him to be called whatever he wants.
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We usually assume that if a player gets that far, it is a formality that they will sign. But for the players themselves, that initial visit might just be part of the decision process. Or everything might be fine on that front, but the deal falls through for other reasons.
Think of a job interview and how many times would you be signing up before you saw the place of work and the facilities? I would imagine its a similar process to any job and that you get "feel" that the place is right for you
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Personally I have a bad feeling about Adebayor signing for us, but as it is on loan I will wait and see.
Knowing Villa if he scores 3 in his first 10 games we will probably give him a 4 year contract on £100k a week!
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I'd like Adebayor to join on loan. It's always very useful to have a proven consistent goal scorer. I don't see the problem in a loan at all.
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well if he's so fucking brilliant why are Spuds absolutely desperate to see the back of him?
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I'd like Adebayor to join on loan. It's always very useful to have a proven consistent goal scorer. I don't see the problem in a loan at all.
Same. It could be great for Gestede to learn from. Especially as he's considered to be fairly raw.
You can't knock his goals scoring record wherever he's been. He's proven and responds well to our manager.
A loan is a fantastic signing if it comes off.
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well if he's so fucking brilliant why are Spuds absolutely desperate to see the back of him?
My opinion of him is he is damaged goods with baggage
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well if he's so fucking brilliant why are Spuds absolutely desperate to see the back of him?
They have Harry Kane, he's matured into the position. Spurs fans have never taken to him because he's Arsenal.
His goal scoring record for Spurs is still 35 in 87.
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I still reckon Timmy will want a couple of strikers in, hopefully Gestede will be one and Adebayor won't be the other.
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Adebayor represents a huge risk in terms of goals and team morale I would rather take that kind of risk on Balotelli
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Adebayor represents a huge risk in terms of goals and team morale I would rather take that kind of risk on Balotelli
Can't say he's a risk in terms of goals,he's scored them everywhere he's been & there's been some big clubs included in that.
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Balotelli would probably cost about £15 million and be on a four year plus deal. Surely that's more of a risk than Adebayor for a season?
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I wouldn't piss on Balotelli if he was on fire.
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Balotelli would probably cost about £15 million and be on a four year plus deal. Surely that's more of a risk than Adebayor for a season?
Without doubt.
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Adebayor is a risk...but Balotelli adds a whole new level and meaning to the definition of risk and waste of money!
Apparently he's being shipped back to Italy at a bargain basement cut price.
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It astounds me that Balotelli could be seriously suggested. Unreliable, divisive. Not a player to build a team around.
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Adebayor has a great goal scoring record at every club. I'll take that for a season.
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Balotelli would probably cost about £15 million and be on a four year plus deal. Surely that's more of a risk than Adebayor for a season?
Ballotelli is circus act who only rarely scores.What on god's earth would we want him for.
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Lunch at 15.07? I think not. Adebyor has heralded more new dawns than a herd of Druids. If we get one good season out of him before he gets bored, then great. A loan is ideal as wouldn't want xto get lumbered with his extravagant wages and rider demands- i hear he insists on being addressed as Addy The Great by the entire staff before every game.
If he scores a hat-trick against Man Utd then I'm happy for him to be called whatever he wants.
...except the hat-trick would be in the first half and then the spawny twats would come back and win 4-3 with a 99th minute winner...
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Ballotelli is huge risk but if he comes good for us he would be worth a fortune whereas Adebyour imo is just a waste of money
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Ballotelli is huge risk but if he comes good for us he would be worth a fortune whereas Adebyour imo is just a waste of money
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I was astonished Liverpool signed him to be honest. Total nut job.
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well if he's so fucking brilliant why are Spuds absolutely desperate to see the back of him?
So they can start singing nasty songs about him again?
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I was astonished Liverpool signed him to be honest. Total nut job.
At the time, I thought for £16m he'd be a decent buy for them but he just didn't look interested.
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Balotelli?
He will probably burn down the dugout.
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the elephant in the dressing room
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Balotelli?
He will proba
bly burn down the dugout.
Total loon , the house he did was a friends of my wife and he refused to pay the costs of repair
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Is adebayor still likely or are things cooling off
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I hope they are cooling but appreciate others want it to heat up; personally with Gestede now on board I'd be tempted to stick with what we have or take a risk on someone like Oulare for the future.
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If we can get Adebayour on loan for a season I think his experience and goals would be invaluable
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Is he fucking coming or not?
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Is he fucking coming or not?
Exactly. I thought there were pictures of him at Bodymoor Heath several days ago?
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No idea, Phil. Strange that we see a photo of him a couple of days ago at BH and since then nothing.
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he's actually going to join the sales team at 'Pat's Hats' in little Walsingham, dividing his time there with a backroom role at the local butchers.
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There must be an issue over the fee Levy wants and if they are subsidising any of the wage . Knowing levy hes probably said no subsidy and a £5m fee and villa hAVe told him to Fork off
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There must be an issue over the fee Levy wants and if they are subsidising any of the wage . Knowing levy hes probably said no subsidy and a £5m fee and villa hAVe told him to Fork off
I think we can afford to play hardball with Levy now.
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If he's been seen at Bodymoor Heath, you would expect that any fees have been agreed with Spurs already surely?
I wouldn't be shocked if we're trying to negotiate his wages down if he's really on £100k a week though, in fact I'd be disappointed if we weren't.
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Ball is in our court really, do a deal with us or keep him. Surely if they are prepared to let Kozak go on loan something must be happening
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There's no way we will be paying a fee and full wages. We aren't desperate, we've got cash in our pocket and just signed a striker. If there's any haggling on this it wont be going Levy's way.
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Is it just possible he failed the medical? More likely something to do with Daniel Levy.
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Fuck Levy. We don't need his problems here. Why should we help a direct rival?
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I would prefer him in our squad for the season, rather than not.
If the other boys take a while finding there shooting boots, Ade will be a great stop gap until they do.
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Fuck Levy. We don't need his problems here. Why should we help a direct rival?
Hopefully we will be a direct rival with the new squad we've assembled but after finishing 17th, we won't be seen that way.
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and we also have two big men already in Kozak and Rudy
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The longer this goes on, the less bothered I get about him coming to Villa Park. Big time Charlies in the last chance saloon, should be a bit more enthused about joining a club like ours.
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Fuck Levy. We don't need his problems here. Why should we help a direct rival?
tut tut Olaftab, don't set your sights so low :)
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The longer this goes on, the less bothered I get about him coming to Villa Park. Big time Charlies in the last chance saloon, should be a bit more enthused about joining a club like ours.
We're trying to get a player off Spurs who's on a big salary - you can bet the hold-up is due to Daniel Levy rather than the player.
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Still think we'll get him.
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Fuck Levy. We don't need his problems here. Why should we help a direct rival?
I'd rather just do what's best for Villa rather than worrying about how it effects Tottenham.
I want Adebayor here. Convinced he'll do well. He just scores loads of goals. I'm not sure why people hate that so much.
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The longer this goes on, the less bothered I get about him coming to Villa Park. Big time Charlies in the last chance saloon, should be a bit more enthused about joining a club like ours.
We're trying to get a player off Spurs who's on a big salary - you can bet the hold-up is due to Daniel Levy rather than the player.
I hope you're right.
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It wouldn't be a surprise if a deal was agreed and Levy moved the goalposts. Villa then told him to go fuck himself. They are stuck with an even more fucked off £100k per week Adebayor. We go with Berbatov.
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None us really know. I suspect that given the signings made, we might be less worried about getting a deal done - which might have even prompted us to push for a better deal.
I'm not sure Spurzzz have too many options for a player their Manager has no intention of using, so if we are still interested we have four weeks to do this deal and can see how Kozak and the new signings shape up in the meantime. UTV.
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We've just signed 2 forwards in the space of a few days and have 2 more in the squad so we can afford to bide our time on this one to make sure the deal is right for the club.
If its Spurs playing hardball over the deal then quite simply...fuck 'em. It's unlikely anyone else will be in for him so I'd be happy for this one to run its course all the way to transfer deadline day.
If its to do with negotiating the finances with Adebayor himself, then the club should be prepared to walk away and find an alternative target (preferably not Berbatov).
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I think some of the later comments are correct, Levy is a prize pri%k and wants every last penny. He is on a hiding to nothing on this one though as only Tim is willing to give him a chance. History between them may be the issue but in the end do we need him, we have two big lads? Personally I would like to see a fired up Adebayor, but surely so would the Spuds manager if he had been going 100% in training?
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Thought Palace were in for him too?
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I read he doesn't want to go to Palace and they have got Bamford and not sure if 100% Connor Wickham for a paltry 9 million lol
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I'd take him, but only on our terms. Fuck Spurs.
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A journo on Twitter is saying that the issue is between us and Ade. He wants to come but also wants ££.
Thought this one would have been done by now. Ultimately though, we should walk away before end of the weekend if he's not committing.
Got a feeling these Berba stories tonight are just to smoke him out a bit
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We don't need him now. Walk away if he's being greedy. Tim will do the right thing I'm sure.
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a greedy grasping over the hill nut job. 100 per cent no.
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I would rather us pull out and go for Diego Rolan instead.
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I would rather us pull out.
This.
A part from the fact that he is an ex player, he has such a huge ego that he if he went in bus he would be requested to pay three tickets.
He would bring only problems to the team.
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We could have problems with Ayew who by all accounts is a bit tempremental. We don't need two of that type.Let Daniel Levy keep him and his massive wages.
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If he's asking for more money just forget him, I'm sure we're going to be OK in that area
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At the end of the day, we don't know why the deal is being held up. I would say though that he does come across as someone who moves to wherever will pay him enough.
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I'm in two minds really. Definite reservations. But benteke's shoes are massive ones to fill and he's the only candidate who you could credibly say is a better player or even close to being as good (at his best).
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At the end of the day, we don't know why the deal is being held up. I would say though that he does come across as someone who moves to wherever will pay him enough.
How does he? Pretty much every move up to Real Madrid that he made was to a more successful club. He left there because he wasn't a regular. Now, of course most of those moves will have come with a pay rise but that doesn't mean he's only in it for the money any more than Veretout is for the massive salary increase he'll have got by joining us.
If we was only in it for the money he'd make far more playing for LA Universe or Al-Oily or some such team abroad. If he signs for Villa it will be because he still feels he can deliver in one of the toughest leagues around
If it's a loan, as touted, he'll get 100% of the wages he's on at Spurs, regardless of whether Villa or Tottenham pay all or some of it. It'll be Tottenham, or quite possibly Villa, holding up the deal not Adebayor.
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I don't understand why some are saying Adebayor is being greedy, it looks like we are haggling for a loan deal. His wages are high but he has a spurs contract - so he's entitled to it.
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we'll end up paying him more per week than a small Caribbean island's annual GDP. Tim's good work with him was a long time ago with a different team in different circumstances. Adebayor follows the money pure and simple, especially as his twilight years beckon.
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we'll end up paying him more per week than a small Caribbean island's annual GDP. Tim's good work with him was a long time ago with a different team in different circumstances. Adebayor follows the money pure and simple, especially as his twilight years beckon.
Then I guess he's like 99.9% of employees worldwide.
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Adebayor follows the money pure and simple
You have evidence of this, or are you just making it up?
He's already got lots of money. If that was his only motivation why would he be talking to us rather than sitting on the Tottenham bench collecting a fortune or buggering off to America or some other such cash-laden retirement league?
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Adebayor is also behind a charity project in his native Togo. Maybe he might not be the mercenary people make him out to be http://seafoundation.tg
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If the deal suits us, great. If it doesn't, walk away. Simples.
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At the end of the day, we don't know why the deal is being held up. I would say though that he does come across as someone who moves to wherever will pay him enough.
How does he? Pretty much every move up to Real Madrid that he made was to a more successful club. He left there because he wasn't a regular. Now, of course most of those moves will have come with a pay rise but that doesn't mean he's only in it for the money any more than Veretout is for the massive salary increase he'll have got by joining us.
If we was only in it for the money he'd make far more playing for LA Universe or Al-Oily or some such team abroad. If he signs for Villa it will be because he still feels he can deliver in one of the toughest leagues around
If it's a loan, as touted, he'll get 100% of the wages he's on at Spurs, regardless of whether Villa or Tottenham pay all or some of it. It'll be Tottenham, or quite possibly Villa, holding up the deal not Adebayor.
Correct me if i'm wrong about this but didn't he get a lot of stick at the time he moved from Arsenal to Man City because he knew he'd get more money? That's from my vague memory so I may be wrong.
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Arsenal always claim players are "greedy" when they leave to join Man City, as they can't accept that they have slipped below them in the pecking order.
Of course, he will have got a payrise, you'd have had to have had a pretty shit agent to sign for Man City and not get one. I reckon that moving to a more successful club was his main motivation though just as it was with all the other players who've quit Arsenal for Manchester in recent years.
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I think it was to use the wrong 'your'. Apart from that I'm not to sure either.
Wrong 'to'.
Haha. Can't believe I didn't proof read a grammar Nazi post. What a div.
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I'm afraid that's the nature of the beast. Top players will get the best wages - look at Falcao last season at Man Utd, £300k a week - a complete waste of money. Rooney on £250k a week - so Adebayor on £100k a week is not a big issue. The Mirror reckon it's Levy playing hardball (wanker). I still think it'll happen, although West Ham may well enter the equation with Valencia injured for the longterm.
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I think it was to use the wrong 'your'. Apart from that I'm not to sure either.
Wrong 'to'.
Haha. Can't believe I didn't proof read a grammar Nazi post. What a div.
'div' Surely that is a grammatical faux-pas?
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Levy is a wanker and I hope he gets stuck with ED and £100K a week burden for the rest of his contract.
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Looking at the situation so far, it looks like the Ade loan is not going to be happening.
With Berbatov possibly coming in next week, no way would we take both of them.
I can understand TS wanting a proven premier league goal scorer, but surely not the pair of them.
I am undecided at this point, Berbatov being the utter professional, but Ade still could have that one big season in him.
I'm sure the Villa team will make the right decision.
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Gone a bit quiet on this one. Haggling over payment of wages and deal structure no doubt.
I can't make my mind up wether it's a good move on our part or not. If we do go for Berbatov as an alternative or as well I watched him in The Champions League and he still looked class.
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I think it was to use the wrong 'your'. Apart from that I'm not to sure either.
Wrong 'to'.
Haha. Can't believe I didn't proof read a grammar Nazi post. What a div.
'div' Surely that is a grammatical faux-pas?
Indeed. The correct terminology is 'Joey'. As in 'you fuckin' joey'.
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Arsenal always claim players are "greedy" when they leave to join Man City, as they can't accept that they have slipped below them in the pecking order.
Of course, he will have got a payrise, you'd have had to have had a pretty shit agent to sign for Man City and not get one. I reckon that moving to a more successful club was his main motivation though just as it was with all the other players who've quit Arsenal for Manchester in recent years.
Yes. Whereas Delph is different. He is greedy.
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I'm afraid that's the nature of the beast. Top players will get the best wages - look at Falcao last season at Man Utd, £300k a week - a complete waste of money. Rooney on £250k a week - so Adebayor on £100k a week is not a big issue. .
Isn't the obvious question there whether Adebayor is still a top player, or one worthy of 100k a week?
I don't think he is. Not any more.
I am happy to have him on loan for a year but not if he's going to cost 100k a week. That's over 5m in dead money in a year, plus one assumes a player who earns significantly more than the others in the changing room.
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I prefer "div". "Joey" sounds like an insult used by someone who has watched too much Neighbours/Home and Away. And by "too much" I mean "any".
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Arsenal always claim players are "greedy" when they leave to join Man City, as they can't accept that they have slipped below them in the pecking order.
Of course, he will have got a payrise, you'd have had to have had a pretty shit agent to sign for Man City and not get one. I reckon that moving to a more successful club was his main motivation though just as it was with all the other players who've quit Arsenal for Manchester in recent years.
Yes. Whereas Delph is different. He is greedy.
Delph isn't just about going to Man City, though, it's all the shit that happened before that. I don't blame him for going, I'd have gone too.
All that other shit, though? What an arsehole.
You're right, though, in the wider sense, football is built on hypocrisy. We all see why players want a move elsewhere, but think differently when it is one of our players.
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I prefer "div". "Joey" sounds like an insult used by someone who has watched too much Neighbours/Home and Away. And by "too much" I mean "any".
This really is a kick in the bollocks offence. joey predates Neighbours/Home Away or any type Aussie soap shite. You really have let yourself down here. You div.
Anyway, div refers more to an action of a person whereas joey normally refers to a speech error.
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Joey may predate the Aussie soaps but it has still been claimed by them. Partly because the word just seems to suit an Antipodeon accent. "Div" sounds way better in a Brummie dialect.
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Not bothered about Adebayor.
Berbatov is a very different player, probably deployed in a withdrawn striker / #10 role.
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Adebayor is a top player but not sure he is required if Berbatov is coming to VP unless of course one of Kozak/Gabby are going out which could well be happening.
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Adebayor is a top player but not sure he is required if Berbatov is coming to VP unless of course one of Kozak/Gabby are going out which could well be happening.
Taking Kozak out of the squad would be mad, IMO. He offers some variation up front.
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I prefer "div". "Joey" sounds like an insult used by someone who has watched too much Neighbours/Home and Away. And by "too much" I mean "any".
This really is a kick in the bollocks offence. joey predates Neighbours/Home Away or any type Aussie soap shite. You really have let yourself down here. You div.
Anyway, div refers more to an action of a person whereas joey normally refers to a speech error.
Didn't 'Joey' come from Joey Deacon/Blue Peter in the very early eighties? That is as I remember it from junior school.
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Precisely that, Joey Deacon indeed.
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Precisely that, Joey Deacon indeed.
Correct. Do kids still use the term "having a Benny" for anyone having a massive strop?
A similar evolution into language as the "Joey" term.
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I think the two most used insults as I was coming to end of my time in junior school were 'Joey' and 'Bummer'. Although I do remember calm down being replaced by 'Don't have a Benny'.
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Blimey, Joey Deacon. There's a name I haven't heard for years
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The icing on the top of the politically incorrect cake was calling someone a 'Joey Muh' in reference to his attempt at speech.
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Another massive insult at school I remember was calling someone a Spaz which was replaced by pleb.
Kids can be so cruel.
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Remember Cambo? For Cambodian?
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Or "Jimmy Chin" as you scratch you chin if you were accusing someone of outrageous bullshitting / something to do with Jimmy Hill I always thought.
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I went to school with Joey Deacon (minor claim to fame).
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Another massive insult at school I remember was calling someone a Spaz which was replaced by pleb.
Kids can be so cruel.
Spacka and Mong were pretty big in my day too.
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It was 'Itchy Beard' at my school. I remember Newman and Baddiel calling it 'Chinny Reckon'.
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my kids always used Deacon as a pejorative term and Itchy, itchy Boris for some reason, the latter when questioning the truth of something. Early to mid nineties thing with them
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It's very unlikely that anybody is going to pay money for Adebayor so Spurs are left with a £100k per week (of £5m over the season) salary they have to find. I would have thought Villa's first offer would be to offer Spurs something to reduce their financial exposure. Not sure where we are pitching our leading players at, £60k a week? If so, I would be offering £60k and Spurs pay the other £40k a week. It would mean Spurs saving £3m over the season or, alternatively looking at it from another angle, getting the equivalent of £3m for selling him.
The above would be financial sense to Spurs but I bet it would stick in Levy's throat like a pork sausage.
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Judging by the slang my fourteen year old son uses 'bummers' are now 'gaybods'. Which urguably is a tad more politically correct.
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bet it would stick in Levy's throat like a pork sausage.
Any need for that?
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I prefer "div". "Joey" sounds like an insult used by someone who has watched too much Neighbours/Home and Away. And by "too much" I mean "any".
This really is a kick in the bollocks offence. joey predates Neighbours/Home Away or any type Aussie soap shite. You really have let yourself down here. You div.
Anyway, div refers more to an action of a person whereas joey normally refers to a speech error.
Didn't 'Joey' come from Joey Deacon/Blue Peter in the very early eighties? That is as I remember it from junior school.
I was a little too young to see him on Blue Peter, but using it as an adjective , survived for twenty odd years in Luton.
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You lot are fucking up my childhood. I thought it was "gaybard", "Itchy beard", "Having a barney" (term for throwing dolls out of pram)... Damn Brummy accent.
I have no idea if I want Adebayor or not, him and Tim will just make headlines weekly for fighting. Villa have usually been a "nice team" with decent enough lads overall, I don't want us to turn into a bunch of wankers... I'd take personal respect over trophies any day in a world where money buys the league.
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Judging by the slang my fourteen year old son uses 'bummers' are now 'gaybods'. Which urguably is a tad more politically correct.
What about "Gaylord's" I remember that one went along with bummer too.
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Non-PC insults were all the rage in the late 70s/early 80s. Remember being called a "spacka" on more than one occasion, for no apparent reason other than wearing National Health glasses... The other one I remember well - usually reserved for someone doing something uncoordinated in PE - was "flid" (from thalidomide) accompanied by pulling your arms into your T-shirt and waving the hands out of the end of short sleeves.
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Its rather reassuring to see that todays youths dont lower themselves to using the kind of crass insults we did and now settle their differences with the more grown up method of stabbing each other.
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bet it would stick in Levy's throat like a pork sausage.
Any need for that?
Apologies if anybody is offended.
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Its rather reassuring to see that todays youths dont lower themselves to using the kind of crass insults we did and now settle their differences with the more grown up method of stabbing each other.
Far more civilised.
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bet it would stick in Levy's throat like a pork sausage.
Any need for that?
Apologies if anybody is offended.
A classic non-apology apology. Are you a politician ?
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Non-PC insults were all the rage in the late 70s/early 80s. Remember being called a "spacka" on more than one occasion, for no apparent reason other than wearing National Health glasses... The other one I remember well - usually reserved for someone doing something uncoordinated in PE - was "flid" (from thalidomide) accompanied by pulling your arms into your T-shirt and waving the hands out of the end of short sleeves.
I had forgotten about flid and the accompanying actions. Spaz was usually accompanied by a facial expression achieved by poking your tongue into the bottom of your mouth. Someone wearing glasses or shiny new shoes or sporting a new haircut would imaginatively be called 'glasses', 'shoes' or 'haircut'. The name would rather randomly stick with them for a length of time that could range from anything between one break time to the rest of their schooldays. You would have a fifteen year old called 'shoes' because he came to school in a shiny new pair as a ten year old.
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bet it would stick in Levy's throat like a pork sausage.
Any need for that?
Apologies if anybody is offended.
A classic non-apology apology. Are you a politician ?
One man's meat is another man's poison or, with our new French contingent, poisson.
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bet it would stick in Levy's throat like a pork sausage.
Any need for that?
Apologies if anybody is offended.
A classic non-apology apology. Are you a politician ?
One man's meat is another man's poison or, with our new French contingent, poisson.
Sounds a little too fishy to me.
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bet it would stick in Levy's throat like a pork sausage.
Any need for that?
Apologies if anybody is offended.
A classic non-apology apology. Are you a politician ?
One man's meat is another man's poison or, with our new French contingent, poisson.
Sounds a little too fishy to me.
Don't start carping on
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Are we doing fishy puns just for the halibut
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NOOOoooo!
Fish Pun Vortex Event Horizon has been breached! Salmon knock it on the head, sharkish...
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Come down off that perch and get back on topic.
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We could always move on to the Jordan Veretrout thread
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I have to muscle in here... Please can we not get into a fishy punathon please! It's like a prawn in my side.
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No more fish puns, for fuck's hake
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Is this not the right plaice top post them then?
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bet it would stick in Levy's throat like a pork sausage.
Any need for that?
Apologies if anybody is offended.
Yes it's offensive because we can have a go at this smarmy c*** without reference to his religion.
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'Div' is a great word, top one-word insult in my circles. Well, third after 'prick' and 'nonce'.
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'Div' is a great word, top one-word insult in my circles. Well, third after 'prick' and 'nonce'.
My personal favourite, particularly when pronounced with real feeling is 'twat'.
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C**t! usually does it for me.
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C**t! usually does it for me.
That usually gives away that you have lost your temper. 'Twat' can be said very dismissively.
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I find the word 'Delph' is a useful profanity.
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One eye used to be favourite saying.
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C**t! usually does it for me.
That usually gives away that you have lost your temper. 'Twat' can be said very dismissively.
No. I don't lose my temper, if someone is behaving like a c**t then, that's what I'll refer to them as. Losing your temper is just a waste of energy and you end up feeling worse after it than the thing that riled you in the first place.
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I find it hilarious when a female used the word c**t
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C**t! usually does it for me.
That usually gives away that you have lost your temper. 'Twat' can be said very dismissively.
No. I don't lose my temper, if someone is behaving like a c**t then, that's what I'll refer to them as. Losing your temper is just a waste of energy and you end up feeling worse after it than the thing that riled you in the first place.
One of the blokes who sits behind me in the LTR uses "c**t" whenever a Villa player makes the slightest mistake. Its a word that, if its to be used at all, should be reserved for major situations
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C**t! usually does it for me.
That usually gives away that you have lost your temper. 'Twat' can be said very dismissively.
No. I don't lose my temper, if someone is behaving like a c**t then, that's what I'll refer to them as. Losing your temper is just a waste of energy and you end up feeling worse after it than the thing that riled you in the first place.
One of the blokes who sits behind me in the LTR uses "c**t" whenever a Villa player makes the slightest mistake. Its a word that, if its to be used at all, should be reserved for major situations
Yep. Delph warranted it, Benteke didn't yet both left the club. I don't like the word but sometimes it can be justified. To use it all the time devalues it entirely. As does making a profanity a part of your everyday conversational vocabulary.
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I don't have any major objection to the C-bomb - I have been known to use it myself - but I really can't imagine any scenario whereby I'd shout it at someone, at a football match (or any public situation).
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I don't have any major objection to the C-bomb - I have been known to use it myself - but I really can't imagine any scenario whereby I'd shout it at someone, at a football match (or any public situation).
Yep, I'm certainly never ever shouting it. If anyone resorts to that then they have other major control and anger issues. Football makes me angry but never to that extent.
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Just to add a bit of clarity, it's not a word I use often in everyday language although I have to admit it crops up a lot in my thoughts.
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I don't regret using the word div.
We used to say 'am I boat' to replace 'am I fuck', and 'chatting bare pup' to replace 'talking shite'. I never understood why.
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I reserve the c-bomb for use as the correct pronunciation of Jeremy Hunt.
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I don't have any major objection to the C-bomb - I have been known to use it myself - but I really can't imagine any scenario whereby I'd shout it at someone, at a football match (or any public situation).
South Brum ******. !
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I think "you lot are fucking up my childhood " is quite possibly the finest sentence I've read on this majestic forum
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I don't regret using the word div.
We used to say 'am I boat' to replace 'am I fuck', and 'chatting bare pup' to replace 'talking shite'. I never understood why.
"am I boat" has just brought another childhood memory sailing back from the late 70's / early 80's. I have no idea why either. Given that this was a Smethwick / Langley childhood I'd always assumed something to do with canals and narrow boats.
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I think "you lot are fucking up my childhood " is quite possibly the finest sentence I've read on this majestic forum
My favourite line on here was:
"I bet it's even shit in Heaven"
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I find it hilarious when a female used the word c**t
Find it a bit of s turn on myself
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When I last saw him live a couple of years ago in Wolverhampton the ever diplomatic Jerry Sadowitz said the reason women hate the word c**t is because they all know that they are all c**ts. However, it still wasn't the most offensive thing he said that night. One soldier was moved to remove and wave his false leg at him before walking out hand in hand with his boyfriend. Soldiers and gays had both come in for some stick.
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Anyway, leave Adebayor at Spurs and spend the money on a top central defender please Timothy.
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Anyway, leave Adebayor at Spurs and spend the money on a top central defender please Timothy.
Yes, please. Timothy.
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Nah. We were the lowest scoring team in the top million teams for large parts of last season. We need as many attacking options as we can get. Gestede can't play every minute and Kozak has just come back from two years out. Get Adebayor. If Kozak proves his fitness then we probably won't need him next year but on a year's loan, we'd be mad not to.
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If our need for a reliable scoring option is so acute, shouldn't we be looking for someone with more of a solid recent record than Adebayor?
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He has a solid record throughout his career. We don't need someone who can play every game, as we have options, as you say. We need someone to give us an alternative and who we won't need to sign long-term or pay a fortune for. Like Adebayor on a one-year deal.
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His goal scoring record over his career is indeed impressive. Hasn't he still got a curse on him put on by his mum though? Do we need to get Barry Fry to wee on him?
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Emmanuel AdweeFryurgh.
What harm can it do?
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problem is we will be paying a fortune for him. You don't get anything on the cheap from Spurs just cast your minds back to how they screwed us over on Jenas. it's a big fat no from me.
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Barry Fry would probably refuse to help us due to our pathetic lack of activity in the transfer market by his standards.
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Adebayor has missed twenty-seven games through injury in his entire career.
There's no comparison with Jenas.
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Upside
He scores goals. He has a good relationship with the manager. He's been there and done it.
Downside
He's been a liability (until managed by Sherwood) he's greedy (which player isn't?).
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Greedy in a financial sense or in a playing one?
If it's the former, there's no evidence that he's any greedier than any other footballer. People seem to be assuming that he's greedy as he's on big money. Rather than taking the more logical stance that he's on big money as he's been a good player throughout his career and has pretty much always gone to big clubs (or clubs with a delusion of being big, in the case of Spurs).
If it's the latter, I wouldn't want a forward who wasn't greedy.
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Think we need his quality on board.
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SilhillVilla agrees with me? I've changed my mind.
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It comes back to how much we are having to pay towards his wages. Unless Spurs are willing to subsidise the majority then I don't think it is justifiable given what it takes out of the pot available for other signings. I suspect it is haggling over this that is delaying a move that the press have been trailing for weeks.
If we get that sorted then it is worth doing in the hope that we get a repeat of the last time he played for Sherwood.
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How many other signings do we need? We've only just broke even, I'd guess, over this Summer. If we can get Adebayor there's no reason why another couple of players can't be brought in too.
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How many other signings do we need? We've only just broke even, I'd guess, over this Summer. If we can get Adebayor there's no reason why another couple of players can't be brought in too.
As many as we are allowed in a squad I guess to ensure that a few injuries don't see us struggling again.
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We're most susceptible to injuries up front, bearing in mind Sherwood likes to play with a big forward. We only have two and one of them has just come back from two years out. Adebayor, as well as being a target man, will also provide a bit of skill and experience.
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How many other signings do we need? We've only just broke even, I'd guess, over this Summer. If we can get Adebayor there's no reason why another couple of players can't be brought in too.
Currently we are £6.86m up
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Defenders are boring so I reckon use it to pay for Adebayor or chuck it all on one number at the casino. If we win, we can buy Messi!
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It's starting to look like Lerner isn't putting any money into it this summer. Not good if it transpires to be so.
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Can't really make that judgement when we're currently spending money at the rate of Barry Austin in a kebab shop.
Let's wait until 1st September to see what the net spend is.
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It's starting to look like Lerner isn't putting any money into it this summer. Not good if it transpires to be so.
How the bloody hell have reached that conclusion?
It's not as though we've been tardy on spending money, and the pace with which these deals are getting done, it must be almost impossible to have got more deals done.
£50 to Acorns from me if we end up cash neutral or positive at the end of the window, if you'll match it if we're cash negative at the end of the window.
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It comes back to how much we are having to pay towards his wages. Unless Spurs are willing to subsidise the majority then I don't think it is justifiable given what it takes out of the pot available for other signings. I suspect it is haggling over this that is delaying a move that the press have been trailing for weeks.
If we get that sorted then it is worth doing in the hope that we get a repeat of the last time he played for Sherwood.
That does appear to me to be the most likely reason for the delay, but I feel confident that Fox & Co are capable of dealing with Levy and his team much more effectively than with our previous encounters.
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It's starting to look like Lerner isn't putting any money into it this summer. Not good if it transpires to be so.
We have made so far I think 5 first 11 signings with another striker to shortly come in who'll be first choice. If not Gestede will be that.
Surely that's enough?
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It comes back to how much we are having to pay towards his wages. Unless Spurs are willing to subsidise the majority then I don't think it is justifiable given what it takes out of the pot available for other signings. I suspect it is haggling over this that is delaying a move that the press have been trailing for weeks.
If we get that sorted then it is worth doing in the hope that we get a repeat of the last time he played for Sherwood.
That does appear to me to be the most likely reason for the delay, but I feel confident that Fox & Co are capable of dealing with Levy and his team much more effectively than with our previous encounters.
Aye, the old regime would have paid 200% of his wages if Levy asked 'em too.
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How many other signings do we need? We've only just broke even, I'd guess, over this Summer. If we can get Adebayor there's no reason why another couple of players can't be brought in too.
Currently we are £6.86m up
We are not in cash in hand terms as full Benteke money will arrive in the future and I bet we had to pay cash to the French clubs. So even if mancity paid upfront for W*anker number one we have paid out more in cash so far.
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I don't regret using the word div.
We used to say 'am I boat' to replace 'am I fuck', and 'chatting bare pup' to replace 'talking shite'. I never understood why.
"am I boat" has just brought another childhood memory sailing back from the late 70's / early 80's. I have no idea why either. Given that this was a Smethwick / Langley childhood I'd always assumed something to do with canals and narrow boats.
Well I'm from Smethwick (still am, in Bearwood) so there probably is something in that.
I agree with what's being said on Adebayor. I expect this to take quite a bit longer due to haggling with that prick.
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How many other signings do we need? We've only just broke even, I'd guess, over this Summer. If we can get Adebayor there's no reason why another couple of players can't be brought in too.
Currently we are £6.86m up
We are not in cash in hand terms as full Benteke money will arrive in the future and I bet we had to pay cash to the French clubs. So even if mancity paid upfront for W*anker number one we have paid out more in cash so far.
Pleae, please don't get him started on basic football economics.
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It's starting to look like Lerner isn't putting any money into it this summer. Not good if it transpires to be so.
I don't know how you can come to that conclusion.
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It's starting to look like Lerner isn't putting any money into it this summer. Not good if it transpires to be so.
It's starting to look like you're going to continue posting negatively as always. Not good if it transpires to be so.
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How many other signings do we need? We've only just broke even, I'd guess, over this Summer. If we can get Adebayor there's no reason why another couple of players can't be brought in too.
Currently we are £6.86m up
We are not in cash in hand terms as full Benteke money will arrive in the future and I bet we had to pay cash to the French clubs. So even if mancity paid upfront for W*anker number one we have paid out more in cash so far.
There's also the fact that for any player who left, so long as they didn't hand in a transfer request, we will have had to pay them a loyalty fee. With any players coming in, we'll have had to pay a signing-on fee.
So even if we receive £40 million and spend £40 million in transfer fees, we'll probably be at least £10 million down.
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It's starting to look like Lerner isn't putting any money into it this summer. Not good if it transpires to be so.
Not many people would spin that line at the end of a week and a bit where we've signed three players (two on the same day, just two days ago) and there is a whole month of window to go.
I'm genuinely starting to wonder whether you mean half this nonsense. I struggle to see how anyone can actually believe much of the stuff you post.
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It's starting to look like Lerner isn't putting any money into it this summer. Not good if it transpires to be so.
Not many people would spin that line at the end of a week and a bit where we've signed three players (two on the same day, just two days ago) and there is a whole month of window to go.
I'm genuinely starting to wonder whether you mean half this nonsense. I struggle to see how anyone can actually believe much of the stuff you post.
I thought that a while ago. He's starting to post to get a reaction and quite frankly, it's getting dull.
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Getting dull?
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In fairness, I reckon he's been a bit more cheerful than usual of late.
Admittedly that's not saying much, but still.
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'Div' is a great word, top one-word insult in my circles. Well, third after 'prick' and 'nonce'.
Surely to keep it politically correct now, it's "Mr" Nonce?
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It's starting to look like Lerner isn't putting any money into it this summer. Not good if it transpires to be so.
It's starting to look like you're going to continue posting negatively as always. Not good if it transpires to be so.
Yep in the grand scheme of utter bollocks "that's a cracker" as long deceased ex comedian once used to say.
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It's starting to look like Lerner isn't putting any money into it this summer. Not good if it transpires to be so.
Not many people would spin that line at the end of a week and a bit where we've signed three players (two on the same day, just two days ago) and there is a whole month of window to go.
I'm genuinely starting to wonder whether you mean half this nonsense. I struggle to see how anyone can actually believe much of the stuff you post.
To be fair Silhillvilla may have an extremely valid point. It may not be what people want to hear or are what the majority are thinking about at this present moment (myself included) but I think it's always good to have a different view point chucked in the mix.
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As one off event, your point would have a modicum of merit.
However we're talking about someone with a decades worth of miserablist history under 3 different personas.
One day he will have a valid point and no one will be listening.
The boy who cried wolf might be a good bet for a future name change.
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Correct me if I am wrong and there's no shortage of posters willing to correct everyone else, but isn't net spend £500k?
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Correct me if I am wrong and there's no shortage of posters willing to correct everyone else, but isn't net spend £500k?
Apart from those involved in either the negotiations or the accounts department at the club, I don't think anybody would be able to accurately say exactly what we've spent or received.
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Correct me if I am wrong and there's no shortage of posters willing to correct everyone else, but isn't net spend £500k?
Apart from those involved in either the negotiations or the accounts department at the club, I don't think anybody would be able to accurately say exactly what we've spent or received.
Also it's irrelevant. It's about getting the players we want in. I get the impression Sherwood wanted every player we've signed, and who knows there might be a couple more. When you're at Villa's level and you receive £40 million plus in income you're unlikely to spend a lot more than that recruiting people, because the players valued at £15/£20 million plus aren't going to come here.
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I have this feeling we are going to be the Newcastle under Kevin Keegan first time round this season!
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My guess would be that we shall sell at least two players before the window closes and bring in another two. Then will be the time to do the sums. On first sight I think we have got players who, collectively, are well worth our outlay.
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It is also worth noting that our net outlay is still -£2.5m if the numbers quotes are correct.
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It's starting to look like Lerner isn't putting any money into it this summer. Not good if it transpires to be so.
Not many people would spin that line at the end of a week and a bit where we've signed three players (two on the same day, just two days ago) and there is a whole month of window to go.
I'm genuinely starting to wonder whether you mean half this nonsense. I struggle to see how anyone can actually believe much of the stuff you post.
I thought that a while ago. He's starting to post to get a reaction and quite frankly, it's getting dull.
He or she has become a parody of themself. It's very boring and when I see the post I have to move on. They never retaliate either which makes me wonder why say anything in the first place.
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you only have to quote Oscar Wilde to know; ' I dislike arguments of any kind; they are always vulgar, and often convincing.'
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My point was "if" we end up with a net spend of around £0 , I'd consider that quite poor especially as we are now in the age of the mega TV money and most other clubs have strengthened across this window .
IMHO we still need a quality CB, DCM, winger and possibly another striker . That's probably north of £20m
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That's a silly argument. For example if mancity go slightly more mental and offer 40 million for Gabby (ok ok just imagine it) we sell him do we have to spend that entire 40 million? And if we don't would it be a poor TW?
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So when Southampton improve by bringing in good quality, well scouted players and funding them primarily from player sales, that's fine. But if we do it there's a problem. And what is most hilarious is that you posted your nonsense days after we signed three good players in one week and with almost 5 weeks of the window to go.
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Believe me I hope I'm wrong and by the end of The window Lerner has done us proud and I will be the first to come on here and say I was wrong and talking out of my back passage .
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If Man City give us £40,000,000 for Agbonlahor we'll be too busy dancing to buy any more players before the transfer window closes.
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Quality not quantity my dear Silhill. It doesn't matter how much we end up spending it's getting the right players in. Saying that I'd really really like another striker and a centre back.
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So when Southampton become by bringing in good quality, well scouted players and funding them primarily from player sales, that's fine. But if we do it there's a problem. And what is most hilarious is that you posted your nonsense days after we signed three good players in one week and with almost 5 weeks of the window to go.
And a week after posting that we needed to sign players quickly due to the season starting imminently. So, when we then go out and buy a bunch of players there is a quick shift and hey presto another angle for negativity. It's just so tedious.
From any normal perspective the work the club has done so far this summer is impressive and, with a month still left to go, gives us cause for some tempered optimism. Obviously, buying players is always a gamble but so far the y have done as well as anyone could have hoped during this window and quickly changed the prevailing mood following the Delph and Benteke departures.
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My point was "if" we end up with a net spend of around £0 , I'd consider that quite poor especially as we are now in the age of the mega TV money and most other clubs have strengthened across this window .
IMHO we still need a quality CB, DCM, winger and possibly another striker . That's probably north of £20m
It's not just the transfer fees to consider though, it is also the wages. I'm sure those running the club have a target turnover / wages ratio and probably aren't too keen to go above that.
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My point was "if" we end up with a net spend of around £0 , I'd consider that quite poor especially as we are now in the age of the mega TV money and most other clubs have strengthened across this window .
IMHO we still need a quality CB, DCM, winger and possibly another striker . That's probably north of £20m
That's not what you said, though, at least not all of it.
You said it is "starting to look that way".
You'll find lots of people who would agree with you if we only spent what we earned in selling fees, it's the bit where you deduce that that is what is happening, just after we've had the busiest transfer week in ages that is beyond parody.
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Believe me I hope I'm wrong
You're certainly not going to get long odds on something like that.
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My point was "if" we end up with a net spend of around £0 , I'd consider that quite poor especially as we are now in the age of the mega TV money and most other clubs have strengthened across this window .
IMHO we still need a quality CB, DCM, winger and possibly another striker . That's probably north of £20m
You were also moaning a week ago that we hadn't brought in enough players before the first game. We have a mad spending spree this week, but you still decide to choose something else to whinge about. Like I said earlier, its starting to sound like you're moaning to get a reaction and it's getting boring.
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If the only other thing we do this window is to get someone to give us a fee for N'Zog I'd consider that a good result.
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I think we are at the point where we will struggle to integrate all of these new players into a coherent team. And signing more would only increase this risk. Therefore to have spent more - as silhilvilla wants - we would have needed to sign more expensive players. To be honest, I'm not sure too many 15m players would want to join us right now (unless their price already includes the Premier League premium - e.g. players like Andros Townsend).
At least this way, we can justifiably bleat during the winter window that there *must* be some money available.
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I think we are at the point where we will struggle to integrate all of these new players into a coherent team. And signing more would only increase this risk. Therefore to have spent more - as silhilvilla wants - we would have needed to sign more expensive players.
I'm not sticking up for his argument - God, no - but I don't see why spending more has to mean signing 15m players?
I'd like to sign a competent centre half, for example. There's no reason that needs to cost massive money.
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I think we are at the point where we will struggle to integrate all of these new players into a coherent team. And signing more would only increase this risk. Therefore to have spent more - as silhilvilla wants - we would have needed to sign more expensive players.
I'm not sticking up for his argument - God, no - but I don't see why spending more has to mean signing 15m players?
I'd like to sign a competent centre half, for example. There's no reason that needs to cost massive money.
Fair enough, but that's another player who will need to quickly adapt to the team and possibly country.
Clearly villa's situation is far from the ideal so we have had to take more drastic action, not to mention replace players, but too much change could actually cause problems in itself. In an ideal world I think you would want to be integrating 3 new players into the team (max). This keeps the team fresh but does not lead to loads of wasted players (like at Liverpool). Mourinho has kinda followed this policy since he has been back at Chelsea.
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Bottom line is we still need key areas sorting. My point was to date we are net £0.
Therefore, having cashed in our best assets and with the new mega tv money flowing, I would like to think sherwood will be given a bare minimum of £20m to address these areas, ideally nearer £30m .
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Bottom line is we still need key areas sorting. My point was to date we are net £0.
Therefore, having cashed in our best assets and with the new mega tv money flowing, I would like to think sherwood will be given a bare minimum of £20m to address these areas, ideally nearer £30m .
Hypothetically how would you have divvied up the 70m?
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Bottom line is we still need key areas sorting. My point was to date we are net £0.
Therefore, having cashed in our best assets and with the new mega tv money flowing, I would like to think sherwood will be given a bare minimum of £20m to address these areas, ideally nearer £30m .
Hypothetically how would you have divvied up the 70m?
What we've done so far + we need a quality CB, DCM, winger , Adebayor loan, arguably a RB. I'm under no illusions how hard this campaign will be.
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Bottom line is we still need key areas sorting. My point was to date we are net £0.
Therefore, having cashed in our best assets and with the new mega tv money flowing, I would like to think sherwood will be given a bare minimum of £20m to address these areas, ideally nearer £30m .
Bottom line is you jumped to a predictably negative conclusion regarding a transfer window that hasn't closed. Would you be happier if we spent more on these same players just to provide you with a positive net spend?
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I think we are at the point where we will struggle to integrate all of these new players into a coherent team. And signing more would only increase this risk. Therefore to have spent more - as silhilvilla wants - we would have needed to sign more expensive players.
I'm not sticking up for his argument - God, no - but I don't see why spending more has to mean signing 15m players?
I'd like to sign a competent centre half, for example. There's no reason that needs to cost massive money.
Fair enough, but that's another player who will need to quickly adapt to the team and possibly country.
Clearly villa's situation is far from the ideal so we have had to take more drastic action, not to mention replace players, but too much change could actually cause problems in itself. In an ideal world I think you would want to be integrating 3 new players into the team (max). This keeps the team fresh but does not lead to loads of wasted players (like at Liverpool). Mourinho has kinda followed this policy since he has been back at Chelsea.
I totally get the thing re amount of change, but we'd just finished 17th.
That team was always going to need a vital organs transplant to avoid getting relegated, we didn't have any choice.
The central defence has looked very iffy in pre-season, which worries me. We could definitely do with options there, ideally by improving the starters. Baker, Senderos, Clark, Okore are all a tad injury prone, and Baker scares me at the moment, full stop.
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Bottom line is we still need key areas sorting. My point was to date we are net £0.
Therefore, having cashed in our best assets and with the new mega tv money flowing, I would like to think sherwood will be given a bare minimum of £20m to address these areas, ideally nearer £30m .
Once again, though, that's not the only point you made, that's not why people were criticising you. People weren't rolling their eyes at your suggestion we need to spend more than we raise in sales, it was the bit where you said it looked as if we weren't going to do that.
Surely it's not that hard to grasp?
There is a big difference between, say, "I hope the world doesn't end tomorrow" and "looks like the world is going to end tomorrow, I hope it doesn't".
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What shouldn't be overlooked is that if Randy really wasn't still interested in investing he could have held onto the Benteke and Delph money and not reinvested it. Such a decision would've been ludicrous considering where we finished but the option was there.
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Going back to what Archie was saying on I think another thread and comparisons made to when under big Ron we signed Staunton, Atkinson, Richardson etc etc and then a few years later under he Who Walks on Water we signed Draper, Savo, and Southgate is that we did sign proven quality. I have no idea who any of these new signings are and not only do they have no Prem experience they have very little top flight experience elsewhere. it is a huge gamble. It will either be something of a 1990s Wengeresque coup or a huge gamble that could easily go very wrong, again, very quickly.
We've signed a lot of promise. Some of it looks definitely promising. I'm unsure about Richards at centre-half and I think that pairing him with Lescott could be a wise move. Amavi looks a player too. But many thought Holman was going to be a very good acquisition especially after a good pre-season. We just don't know what's going to happen until the season starts.
I would like us to still find that kevin Ricahrdson (Cambiasso?), that defender (Lescott? Maybe better), or that Atkinson/Saunders (Adebayor?). Ultimately I'd like is to get back into that position of buying players from the likes of a Palace or Southampton as we are a step up from where they are and they can come in and add something straight away. Who have we signed/signing/linked with who is offering that? We may not need anymore in but if we only spend what we've taken in then its a flip of a coin and a hope. It may work. I'd prefer more experienced good Prem signings before I get optimistic for the season.
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We've done some good business up to now and i believe we will see another two or three come in. I can imagine Spurs playing hardball over Adebayors wages so i can see him moving over toward the end of the month. A quality centre half and a top winger would just about be perfect.
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Bottom line is we still need key areas sorting. My point was to date we are net £0.
Therefore, having cashed in our best assets and with the new mega tv money flowing, I would like to think sherwood will be given a bare minimum of £20m to address these areas, ideally nearer £30m .
Hypothetically how would you have divvied up the 70m?
What we've done so far + we need a quality CB, DCM, winger , Adebayor loan, arguably a RB. I'm under no illusions how hard this campaign will be.
--------------------Guzan--------------------
New RB-------Richards-----New CB---Amavi
--------Gueye---New DCM----Veretout-----
-------Ayew----Adebeyor----New Winger----
Would you play Guzan or Bunn? Theoretically you could have replaced the entire first team!
I appreciate we're not that great right now but that would be a helluva lot of wages sat on the bench doing nothing.
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There is a big difference between, say, "I hope the world doesn't end tomorrow" and "looks like the world is going to end tomorrow, I hope it doesn't".
What have you heard paulie?
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Bottom line is we still need key areas sorting. My point was to date we are net £0.
Therefore, having cashed in our best assets and with the new mega tv money flowing, I would like to think sherwood will be given a bare minimum of £20m to address these areas, ideally nearer £30m .
You keep on going on about this new mega TV money but the new deal does come in until 2016/2017 season. Even next summer we will not have the 'new money' for transfers unless we borrow on the basis of getting the money later. It is imperative we stay in the PL and there has to be some investment to do this but we still have to work within FFP rules in the meantime.
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There is a big difference between, say, "I hope the world doesn't end tomorrow" and "looks like the world is going to end tomorrow, I hope it doesn't".
What have you heard paulie?
Can't really say much at the moment, but put it like this, don't be going to any 24 hour libraries about now and taking out any really long books. And if you've got a few episodes of something good on the Sky+ box, you might want to stay up and back-to-back them all this evening while you still can.
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Going back to what Archie was saying on I think another thread and comparisons made to when under big Ron we signed Staunton, Atkinson, Richardson etc etc and then a few years later under he Who Walks on Water we signed Draper, Savo, and Southgate is that we did sign proven quality.
At the time Milosevic was the definition of unknown (they even managed to flog shed loads of bandanas because no-one knew that he'd rarely worn them), Southgate was signed having played as a central midfielder at Palace and Draper, if I remember right, had one season in the top division with Leicester. They were far from proven at the time.
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Bottom line is we still need key areas sorting. My point was to date we are net £0.
Therefore, having cashed in our best assets and with the new mega tv money flowing, I would like to think sherwood will be given a bare minimum of £20m to address these areas, ideally nearer £30m .
Hypothetically how would you have divvied up the 70m?
What we've done so far + we need a quality CB, DCM, winger , Adebayor loan, arguably a RB. I'm under no illusions how hard this campaign will be.
--------------------Guzan--------------------
New RB-------Richards-----New CB---Amavi
--------Gueye---New DCM----Veretout-----
-------Ayew----Adebeyor----New Winger----
Would you play Guzan or Bunn? Theoretically you could have replaced the entire first team!
I appreciate we're not that great right now but that would be a helluva lot of wages sat on the bench doing nothing.
Bunn has impressed me. He seems confident , agile and PL ready. Guzan has competition .
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I will be the first to come on here and say I was wrong and talking out of my back passage .
Honestly you don't NEED to say that.
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I will be the first to come on here and say I was wrong and talking out of my back passage .
Honestly you don't NEED to say that.
Likewise :D
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Believe me I hope I'm wrong and by the end of The window Lerner has done us proud and I will be the first to come on here and say I was wrong and talking out of my back passage .
If it happens just say you were wrong out of your mouth mate. The other way sounds disgusting :)
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The gossip column suggests that they're selling Soldado. Maybe the reason we haven't signed Adebayor is because they've decided that if they can get some cash for Soldado, they may as well keep Adebayor as cover rather than spending money on a replacement?
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I think he will be unveiled tomorrow.
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I really hope he doesn't, but in a 'I really hope the world doesn't end tomorrow' kind of way
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Buying players at their peak from smaller Premier League clubs night have made sense in the 90s but now buying someone like Bolasie from Palace would cost 15 or 20 million and we'd more than likely only recoup a fraction of that. So unless the players you sign are guaranteed to take you into the champions league all you'd be doing is getting the club's finances in a mess again like at the end of MON'S time.
Around Europe the teams managing to compete with the super rich clubs are the ones who develop players and move them on for profit and then try and find another.
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Spot on Ryu.
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Buying players at their peak from smaller Premier League clubs night have made sense in the 90s but now buying someone like Bolasie from Palace would cost 15 or 20 million and we'd more than likely only recoup a fraction of that. So unless the players you sign are guaranteed to take you into the champions league all you'd be doing is getting the club's finances in a mess again like at the end of MON'S time.
Around Europe the teams managing to compete with the super rich clubs are the ones who develop players and move them on for profit and then try and find another.
This is exactly what I hope is currently happening at Liverpool.
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Ade's going to go Pete Tong I Think
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Ade's going to go Pete Tong I Think
I think he likes heavy metal
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Ade's going to go Pete Tong I Think
He's been at The Belfry all week. If he doesn't sign today, then I think it will go tits up.
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Ade's going to go Pete Tong I Think
He's been at The Belfry all week. If he doesn't sign today, then I think it will go tits up.
I heard he was at the Belfry, one or two have been I think
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I don't think anyone has said anything like that to me before!
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Various reports that this will be confirmed today.
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Various reports that this will be confirmed today.
Any links or sources?
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Buying players at their peak from smaller Premier League clubs night have made sense in the 90s but now buying someone like Bolasie from Palace would cost 15 or 20 million and we'd more than likely only recoup a fraction of that. So unless the players you sign are guaranteed to take you into the champions league all you'd be doing is getting the club's finances in a mess again like at the end of MON'S time.
Around Europe the teams managing to compete with the super rich clubs are the ones who develop players and move them on for profit and then try and find another.
Exactly right, buying proven premiership players is what mon did and it not only screwed our finances for years but it also had a clear glass ceiling.
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Various reports that this will be confirmed today.
Any links or sources?
I can't find anything. In fact, when I did a Google search for the last 24 hours, the fourth entry is this thread and we know sweet FA
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Various reports that this will be confirmed today.
Any links or sources?
I can't find anything. In fact, when I did a Google search for the last 24 hours, the fourth entry is this thread and we know sweet FA
Try this http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2015/08/03/double-boost-in-villas-player-ambitions/ (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2015/08/03/double-boost-in-villas-player-ambitions/)
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My 7 year old will be happy if Adebayor comes as he is one of the very few players we have signed that he's got on his match attack cards
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My 7 year old will be happy if Adebayor comes as he is one of the very few players we have signed that he's got on his match attack cards
See John, every cloud has a silver lining old boy!
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I have a feeling this move has collapsed for reasons that will not be divulged by either club.
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I do hope so
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I have a feeling this move has collapsed for reasons that will not be divulged by either club.
Good I hope this is the case.
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He passed the physical - they are waiting for the results of the psychoanalysis
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If he ain't interested let him rot at spurs and that worm Levy can spend another £5m on his wages . It doesn't smell right at all this one .
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you can colour it anyway you like but this is only going to happen if it's a great deal for Levy/ Spurs and a great deal for Adebayor.
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you can colour it anyway you like but this is only going to happen if it's a great deal for Levy/ Spurs and a great deal for Adebayor.
You would have thought paying anything less than £5m in wages next year for a player they will not use would be a great deal for Levy. With that as a starting point, why wouldn't they, say, pay 50% of his wages? It's so simple for us looking in isn't it?
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If he ain't interested let him rot at spurs and that worm Levy can spend another £5m on his wages . It doesn't smell right at all this one .
May I suggest a shower, a new I underpants and socks?
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Levy will only let Adebayor go on loan if we pay 100k a week. To me that is a bad deal as it would mean he would be a 'must play ', otherwise he'd sulk and just trouser the money without doing much at all. He's too precious, too insecure. We've got Gestede and Kozak who can fulfil the role perfectly well, with others as their understudies. I just don't think we need him.
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It's quite plausible this will go through after dark on 31 Aug once Levy realises he will be stuck with him .
It would of course be quite nice to tell him to f**k off at this point if we've gone down an alternate route.
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If it is a loan then Adebayor will "trouser" £100k a week anyway. And why shit it about what deal Spurs may want? We hold all the cards if we want him.
£5m on wages for a player you won't use who leaves for free in the summer. Or cut your losses and just pay half his wages for that time?
Might mean the deal goes through later in the hope of finding cash rich fruit loops from unestablished leagues, if they can't, deal.
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It may be something in the air or something I've eaten but for some reason I have faith Sherwood won't be stung on this whichever route he takes.
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King Ade probably thinks he should get a pay rise as part of the deal.
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The gossip column suggests that they're selling Soldado. Maybe the reason we haven't signed Adebayor is because they've decided that if they can get some cash for Soldado, they may as well keep Adebayor as cover rather than spending money on a replacement?
I'm not sure about that. They haven't included him in any pre-season games and he's hardly figured since Sherwood left. I'd be happy with him coming in if the deal was right for us.
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King Ade probably thinks he should get a pay rise as part of the deal.
He seems the sort of character woe betide the club if they forgot his birthday cake & card toys would be thoroughly launcheth from pram
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It is just as well you never played for us.....
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He passed the physical - they are waiting for the results of the psychoanalysis
That's the end of that then.
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King Ade probably thinks he should get a pay rise as part of the deal.
He seems the sort of character woe betide the club if they forgot his birthday cake & card toys would be thoroughly launcheth from pram
I might have missed something along the way, but is there any actual evidence (sky sports understands doesn't count) of this sort of behaviour.
All I've seen is someone who's gone from zero to hero at Arsenal, then get picked up by Man City, destroyer of careers by common consensus, on the basis of 1 1/2 good seasons.
After Hughes was sacked, Mancini didn't want to know, leading to loan spells at Madrid and Spurs. Signed for Spurs under the manager that had taken him on loan (AVB) only to see history repeat itself with AVB getting the bullet soon after his arrival. Played well under Sherwood for the rest of the season.
When played regularly he scores goals.
He's not in the papers for being pissed at 3 o'clock in the morning.
It's not his fault Man City and then Spurs threw mind boggling contracts at him.
I genuinely don't know where he's got his reputation from and would be delighted to be pointed in the right direction here.
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His myriad of personal problems have forced Spurs to give him compassionate leave. He hasn't played any real football for a while, he isn't anywhere near match fit, and it is nearly two seasons since Sherwood coaxed some form out of him in another side and in different circumstances. If a week in politics is a long time, two years to a soon to be 32 year old footballer is a lifetime. There is nothing to say history can repeat itself now; yes he's scored goals in the past, but is he going to reproduce that form here, on a temporary contract with three or four other, perhaps more committed players fighting for the shirt? I would rather what resource we have, goes to strengthening our defence rather than adding to our collection of forwards. But if he comes so be it.
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Which is why a seasons loan, at half the wages, is a worth a punt?
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It's not two years though, is it? It's one full season ago.
His 'myriad' of problems appear to be family issues, I don't know the details but when it's family it can be harder to deal with.
As far as I'm aware he's not had a Collymore-esque breakdown, quit football to make love to ladies or claimed the death of a relative to skive off international duty, unlike several ex players that cost us a fortune in transfer fees.
He's going to be on loan. We'll pay some of his wages. He has a great relationship with the manager.
Honestly, what the fuck is the problem here?
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Honestly, what the fuck is the problem here?
Daniel Levy
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I agree with you completely Lee. I do not see it as a big deal. Like in every kind of business if you buy right, whatever you have bought can be absorbed into your business without major trauma. Buy wrong and you are in trouble from day one. If we get EA on a favourable deal, with regard to wages, length of contract and any other financial matters, he can do a job for us.
As Lee says we have taken far madder punts in the past. Villa are the club who paid a massive sum for a player who decided he wanted to be a magician in Las Vegas. And the player nobody ever saw play live, only on a sales video casette who actually carried a bodged achilles tendon repair. And the player who played one game at Wycombe then demanded a transfer because his wife wanted him home for his tea every day. And the player who was (allegedly) already addicted to pain killers when he arrived. Pain killers he took to relieve death fixations. And don't get me started on Stephen Ireland. If the terms are favourable to us do the deal, if they are not, send him packing.
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Is he still at The Belfry ? He'll be morphing into Alan Partridge soon
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Am I the only one that thinks Berbatov is a better bet for 12 months than Adebayor at this stage. If he was desperate to play he would surely have signed a week ago now. I was in favour last week, but think there is something a bit weird about him not signing a week later.
Berbatov would link the play better, and be more creative for the likes of Ayew and Gestede maybe? Dunno, something is starting to feel a bit Stephen Ireland about this deal.
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It's not two years though, is it? It's one full season ago.
His 'myriad' of problems appear to be family issues, I don't know the details but when it's family it can be harder to deal with.
As far as I'm aware he's not had a Collymore-esque breakdown, quit football to make love to ladies or claimed the death of a relative to skive off international duty, unlike several ex players that cost us a fortune in transfer fees.
He's going to be on loan. We'll pay some of his wages. He has a great relationship with the manager.
Honestly, what the fuck is the problem here?
That homoerotic salute.
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It's not two years though, is it? It's one full season ago.
His 'myriad' of problems appear to be family issues, I don't know the details but when it's family it can be harder to deal with.
As far as I'm aware he's not had a Collymore-esque breakdown, quit football to make love to ladies or claimed the death of a relative to skive off international duty, unlike several ex players that cost us a fortune in transfer fees.
He's going to be on loan. We'll pay some of his wages. He has a great relationship with the manager.
Honestly, what the fuck is the problem here?
The last line sums up my feelings perfectly Lee. I don't see any downside to this at all. He's a proven top quality player. I think for the short time he'll be with us and very much because who he will be playing for this is a perfect situation.
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Am I the only one that thinks Berbatov is a better bet for 12 months than Adebayor at this stage. If he was desperate to play he would surely have signed a week ago now. I was in favour last week, but think there is something a bit weird about him not signing a week later.
Berbatov would link the play better, and be more creative for the likes of Ayew and Gestede maybe? Dunno, something is starting to feel a bit Stephen Ireland about this deal.
For me they both offer value and can offer what few if any of our squad currently possess. That is top level experience on that position. If you look through the side which of our attacking players has it and can still possess a threat as a player? They'll both offer unique attributes. I'll take either player on a one year deal.
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Am I the only one that thinks Berbatov is a better bet for 12 months than Adebayor at this stage. If he was desperate to play he would surely have signed a week ago now. I was in favour last week, but think there is something a bit weird about him not signing a week later.
Berbatov would link the play better, and be more creative for the likes of Ayew and Gestede maybe? Dunno, something is starting to feel a bit Stephen Ireland about this deal.
I would have thought that the signs point towards Spurs holding up the deal. We have made an offer which Spurs do not accept at the moment. Adebayor will still get the same money if it is a loan deal. The only issue on the player's side is if he wants a permanent transfer.
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[1]His myriad of personal problems have forced Spurs to give him compassionate leave.
[2]He hasn't played any real football for a while, he isn't anywhere near match fit,
[3]and it is nearly two seasons since Sherwood coaxed some form out of him in another side and in different circumstances. If a week in politics is a long time, two years to a soon to be 32 year old footballer is a lifetime. There is nothing to say history can repeat itself now; yes he's scored goals in the past,
[4]but is he going to reproduce that form here, on a temporary contract with three or four other, perhaps more committed players fighting for the shirt?
[5]I would rather what resource we have, goes to strengthening our defence rather than adding to our collection of forwards. But if he comes so be it.
I think we're all pretty clear where you stand on this, but.......
1. And so what? He's a human being that lived through something the rest of us couldn't even begin to imagine, plus family problems. All said and done he's been back with Spurs at the end of last season. No reason to think he can't play. Or do you have a pre judgement issue on people that have dealt with stressful situations.
2. You can't possibly know that. As a professional footballer when he's not on compassionate leave his job is to keep his fitness levels up. There's nothing in his past to suggest that he's unprofessional. Instantly match fit? Obviously not. As unfit as you paint it? I doubt it.
3. No it's 1 season ago. If it really is almost 2 years can you let the rest of us know how 2015/16 season looks like ending up? Are we still on for that surprise Europa League placing?
4. If he wants any form of contract after this season he's going to have to pitch up somewhere and deliver the goods. I'd rather have a half motivated Adebeyor than a busting a gut Rickie Lambert.
5. And who's said it's either or? One thing that shines through this window is that Sherwood and co. have had a really clear idea of where the gaps were and who they wanted. It's almost as though they're going down a priority list. If they've decided they want another striker like Adebeyor and another CB and/or RB, there's nothing to suggest that won't happen. (Unless you're Silhilvilla and convinced we won't spend any more because we've gone 3 days without signing anyone.)
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Honestly, what the fuck is the problem here?
I think we are waiting on someone in the club shop to figure out if we can pick the LP& H off of the Delph shirts and squeeze Adebayor in on them.
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I just want somebody who wants to play for the Villa and not just for the money. Perhaps I am naive.
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I agree with you completely Lee. I do not see it as a big deal. Like in every kind of business if you buy right, whatever you have bought can be absorbed into your business without major trauma. Buy wrong and you are in trouble from day one. If we get EA on a favourable deal, with regard to wages, length of contract and any other financial matters, he can do a job for us.
As Lee says we have taken far madder punts in the past. Villa are the club who paid a massive sum for a player who decided he wanted to be a magician in Las Vegas. And the player nobody ever saw play live, only on a sales video casette who actually carried a bodged achilles tendon repair. And the player who played one game at Wycombe then demanded a transfer because his wife wanted him home for his tea every day. And the player who was (allegedly) already addicted to pain killers when he arrived. Pain killers he took to relieve death fixations. And don't get me started on Stephen Ireland. If the terms are favourable to us do the deal, if they are not, send him packing.
I know the others but any hints on who the claret and blue magician is?
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you can colour it anyway you like but this is only going to happen if it's a great deal for Levy/ Spurs and a great deal for Adebayor.
Yes agreed so let's fuck em both off. We don't need a greedy sleaze bag peddling a lazy bastard for our precious silver.
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you can colour it anyway you like but this is only going to happen if it's a great deal for Levy/ Spurs and a great deal for Adebayor.
Yes agreed to let's fuck em both off. We don't need a greedy sleaze bag peddling a lazy bastard for our precious silver.
Do you have any actual evidence of this?
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No nothing at all. Just passing time and venting my frustration!
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No nothing at all. Just passing time and venting my frustration!
What at? We could be signing a player on a short-term deal who scores goals. I can't understand the problem.
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A short term loan deal for a striker that our manager has already got the best out of him. Sign him up for crying out loud!
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The media say Levy is a genius at negotiating deals so it must be true.
Bitter Arsenal fans who never forgave Adebayor for leaving for a more successful club and sad, Small Heathesque, Tottenham fans who never forgave Adebayor for playing for Arsenal say he's trouble. Even though he's scored goals whenever he's been a regular starter throughout his career and nobody seems able to provide any evidence of him being trouble.
He just is.
For some reason.
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Well that's fine if you see it that way. I see it as a big mistake and what's wrong with that?
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I'd imagine Adebayor is desperate to get back to playing football and forget his family problem if the message he posted on Facebook I read in the Torygraph is anything to go by. Poor (though stupidly rich) fella.
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Well that's fine if you see it that way. I see it as a big mistake and what's wrong with that?
It could be a big mistake if we gave him a long term deal and it all went tits up, but from what I've read it's a season long loan deal. If it goes wrong he leaves at the end of the season.
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To be fair on arsenal fans , that goal celebration was a wanky thing to do at Ci£y v arsenal. Imagine Benteke doing that if he scores for the dippers vs us
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To be fair on arsenal fans , that goal celebration was a wanky thing to do at Ci£y v arsenal. Imagine Benteke doing that if he scores for the dippers vs us
Wanky or not, it makes no difference whatsoever to how good a player he is. Besides, Arsenal fans were baiting him all game because, as I said, they couldn't accept that he'd moved to a more successful club.
I'll be delighted if he scores for us against them and does the same. The moaning but still happy to pay £1,000 a year for a ticket wankers.
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Wanky or not, it makes no difference whatsoever to how good a player he is. Besides, Arsenal fans were baiting him all game because, as I said, they couldn't accept that he'd moved to a more successful club.
Looking forward to you being so magnanimous if Delph does the same against us this season.
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FWIW Adebayor seems to have had some kind of breakdown over the summer. All that stuff with his mom, for example.
Although I would take him on a season loan, I totally understand anyone who just thinks it is asking for trouble. I think there's a pretty decent argument to be had that having one player picking up 100k in a dressing room full (now, anyway) of players earning way, way less isn't great for unity.
I'd also wonder what sort of attitude he'd have coming here, after Arsenal, Man City and Spurs, given our recent state.
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FWIW Adebayor seems to have had some kind of breakdown over the summer. All that stuff with his mom, for example.
Although I would take him on a season loan, I totally understand anyone who just thinks it is asking for trouble. I think there's a pretty decent argument to be had that having one player picking up 100k in a dressing room full (now, anyway) of players earning way, way less isn't great for unity.
I'd also wonder what sort of attitude he'd have coming here, after Arsenal, Man City and Spurs, given our recent state.
Whenever interviewed he comes over as a totally self absorbed human being, he is also known to refer to himself in the 3rd person. I have watched him in games where he clearly does not give a fuck because things are not going for him. It will just be a matter of time before an there is an incident and this is the last thing we need when trying to unite new players into a team.
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The picture of him sat on the bonnet of his gold plated Rolls Royce kind of says enough about him. Whilst I'd probably lust after him banging in the odd goals in August and September I cannot see it being a successful loan across 12 long months. Too much baggage on reflection.
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FWIW Adebayor seems to have had some kind of breakdown over the summer. All that stuff with his mom, for example.
Although I would take him on a season loan, I totally understand anyone who just thinks it is asking for trouble. I think there's a pretty decent argument to be had that having one player picking up 100k in a dressing room full (now, anyway) of players earning way, way less isn't great for unity.
I'd also wonder what sort of attitude he'd have coming here, after Arsenal, Man City and Spurs, given our recent state.
Whenever interviewed he comes over as a totally self absorbed human being, he is also known to refer to himself in the 3rd person.
Well, he'll fit in well with our manager then won't he?
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FWIW Adebayor seems to have had some kind of breakdown over the summer. All that stuff with his mom, for example.
Although I would take him on a season loan, I totally understand anyone who just thinks it is asking for trouble. I think there's a pretty decent argument to be had that having one player picking up 100k in a dressing room full (now, anyway) of players earning way, way less isn't great for unity.
I'd also wonder what sort of attitude he'd have coming here, after Arsenal, Man City and Spurs, given our recent state.
Whenever interviewed he comes over as a totally self absorbed human being, he is also known to refer to himself in the 3rd person.
Well, he'll fit in well with our manager then won't he?
Has Sherwood ever done that? I never noticed it. Its always a bit of a red flag.
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FWIW Adebayor seems to have had some kind of breakdown over the summer. All that stuff with his mom, for example.
Although I would take him on a season loan, I totally understand anyone who just thinks it is asking for trouble. I think there's a pretty decent argument to be had that having one player picking up 100k in a dressing room full (now, anyway) of players earning way, way less isn't great for unity.
I'd also wonder what sort of attitude he'd have coming here, after Arsenal, Man City and Spurs, given our recent state.
Whenever interviewed he comes over as a totally self absorbed human being, he is also known to refer to himself in the 3rd person.
Well, he'll fit in well with our manager then won't he?
Has Sherwood ever done that? I never noticed it. Its always a bit of a red flag.
https://vine.co/v/OxQKE6Fv9Md
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FWIW Adebayor seems to have had some kind of breakdown over the summer. All that stuff with his mom, for example.
Although I would take him on a season loan, I totally understand anyone who just thinks it is asking for trouble. I think there's a pretty decent argument to be had that having one player picking up 100k in a dressing room full (now, anyway) of players earning way, way less isn't great for unity.
I'd also wonder what sort of attitude he'd have coming here, after Arsenal, Man City and Spurs, given our recent state.
Whenever interviewed he comes over as a totally self absorbed human being, he is also known to refer to himself in the 3rd person.
Well, he'll fit in well with our manager then won't he?
Has Sherwood ever done that? I never noticed it. Its always a bit of a red flag.
https://vine.co/v/OxQKE6Fv9Md
Oh my. Hopefully he doesn't make a habit of it.
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Wanky or not, it makes no difference whatsoever to how good a player he is. Besides, Arsenal fans were baiting him all game because, as I said, they couldn't accept that he'd moved to a more successful club.
Looking forward to you being so magnanimous if Delph does the same against us this season.
Not the same though, is it? The reason why Delph will get unmitigated abuse isn't because Villa fans are unable to accept that some clubs are more successful than us. It'll be because of the snakelike manner of his departure.
Benteke would be a better comparison. It's fairly unlikely we'll give him stick all game, just as we never do to Milner. If we do give him stick all game then nobody will feel sympathy for us if he scores against us and rubs it in. We won't though, and he won't.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/emmanuel-adebayor-why-the-tottenham-striker-is-considered-by-some-to-be-a-bad-egg-10030104.html
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FWIW Adebayor seems to have had some kind of breakdown over the summer. All that stuff with his mom, for example.
Although I would take him on a season loan, I totally understand anyone who just thinks it is asking for trouble. I think there's a pretty decent argument to be had that having one player picking up 100k in a dressing room full (now, anyway) of players earning way, way less isn't great for unity.
I'd also wonder what sort of attitude he'd have coming here, after Arsenal, Man City and Spurs, given our recent state.
Even given "our recent state", there's no way you can argue that moving from Tottenham to Villa would be more of a step down than moving from Real Madrid, the biggest club on the planet, to Tottenham. Yet he was still a massive success at Spurs under Sherwood.
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I don't think a dozen or so games can be described as massive success.
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In much the same way as most of the things in the article you posted could be described as someone who is a trouble maker.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/emmanuel-adebayor-why-the-tottenham-striker-is-considered-by-some-to-be-a-bad-egg-10030104.html
All those reasons are terrible.
First, there's the taking the piss out of Arsenal fans who baited him all game. I've already said I'm fine with that. In fact, I thought it was hilarious.
Second, a Real Madrid player saying nasty things about Barcelona. Well, I never! What a shock. I assume if that's a reason for leaving Adebayor well alone then you'd never, ever, accept Mourinho as Villa manager bearing in mind he spent virtually his entire spell at Madrid (and before, come to think of it) making snide digs at Barca?
Third is the Twitter story of him supposedly taking the piss out of his own team. He said the photo was taken before the game and I'm struggling to see why anyone would consider that to be a particularly unlikely reason. It seems far more likely than a striker deliberately taking the piss out of his own club, doesn't it?
And finally, the belief in voodoo. Well, if that's a reason to berate him, we really should be refusing to sign any non-Arab African player, given that belief in voodoo is so widespread that virtually every Sub-Saharan African team that every qualifies for a major tournament takes a witch doctor with them. I'm really struggling to see how religious belief can be used a stick to beat a player with. I can only imagine the outcry if the journalist had suggested that a footballer was "trouble" because he believed a man was nailed to a cross then magically came back to life days later, or because of his faith that a guy went into a cave and heard the voice of Allah. Oh, and it's coupled with, again, unsubstantiated rumours about his mother which Adebayor denies but the journalist still sees fit to print despite providing no corroboration whatsoever.
If we can learn one thing from Adebayor's career, it's that you shouldn't annoy Arsenal fans if you want to be loved by the London media.
Personally, I couldn't give a shit if they continue to hate him if he does the business for us. Given his career scoring record, and his fantastic form the last time he played under Sherwood, I think he would. And for just a year's wages, it's hardly much of a gamble.
By all means feel free to disagree by providing reasons why you feel he isn't a good footballer, but suggesting we shouldn't sign him due to half-baked, biased and unsubstantiated media drivel like the article quoted seems thoroughly odd to me.
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FWIW Adebayor seems to have had some kind of breakdown over the summer. All that stuff with his mom, for example.
Although I would take him on a season loan, I totally understand anyone who just thinks it is asking for trouble. I think there's a pretty decent argument to be had that having one player picking up 100k in a dressing room full (now, anyway) of players earning way, way less isn't great for unity.
I'd also wonder what sort of attitude he'd have coming here, after Arsenal, Man City and Spurs, given our recent state.
Even given "our recent state", there's no way you can argue that moving from Tottenham to Villa would be more of a step down than moving from Real Madrid, the biggest club on the planet, to Tottenham. Yet he was still a massive success at Spurs under Sherwood.
Leaving Real Madrid for anywhere is a step down. It's also worth noting he was only actually on loan there, he was a Man City player, still. Even then, in joining Spurs permanently, he was joining a club which was competing at a high level. He was also three years younger than he is now.
Here, he's nudging 32 and we're a club which has spent five years embarrassing itself. He's spent most of last summer being involved in weird stuff with his family. He's known to have needed to take a break from football. He's played about 20 matches a season for the last two years.
Don't get me wrong, I would still consider taking him on a loan if the terms were right, I just don't get why you're so baffled that anyone would raise an eyebrow at the idea of signing him.
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Yes true and both are indicative of good and bad in him.
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And finally, the belief in voodoo. Well, if that's a reason to berate him, we really should be refusing to sign any non-Arab African player, given that belief in voodoo is so widespread that virtually every Sub-Saharan African team that every qualifies for a major tournament takes a witch doctor with them. I'm really struggling to see how religious belief can be used a stick to beat a player with.
That's hilarious.
"Why do you think this player is a risk?"
"Well, he's been on the record lately as saying that he thinks the reason things aren't working out for him is that his mother has cast a voodoo curse on him"
"Well, if you're writing off players believing in voodoo, you need to write off pretty much all sub Saharan African footballers."
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I don't think a dozen or so games can be described as massive success.
Yet you seem willing to write him off based on one season when he couldn't hold down a place in the Tortenham team when Harry Kane emerged from nowhere to be one of the best forwards in Europe.
If you don't want to talk about brief spells of form, I'm happy to discuss Adebayor in context of his entire career. 176 goals in 483 games, including many in which he only came on as sub. Virtually all at the top level in either England or Spain.
Not too shabby.
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And finally, the belief in voodoo. Well, if that's a reason to berate him, we really should be refusing to sign any non-Arab African player, given that belief in voodoo is so widespread that virtually every Sub-Saharan African team that every qualifies for a major tournament takes a witch doctor with them. I'm really struggling to see how religious belief can be used a stick to beat a player with.
That's hilarious.
"Why do you think this player is a risk?"
"Well, he's been on the record lately as saying that he thinks the reason things aren't working out for him is that his mother has cast a voodoo curse on him"
"Well, if you're writing off players believing in voodoo, you need to write off pretty much all sub Saharan African footballers."
You think his belief in Voodoo is a good reason not to sign him? I think it's a load of shite, I think all Theism is. If a player went through a bad spell of form then said he thought it was because he'd not been a good Christian, for instance, would you consider that to be a good reason not to sign him?
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And finally, the belief in voodoo. Well, if that's a reason to berate him, we really should be refusing to sign any non-Arab African player, given that belief in voodoo is so widespread that virtually every Sub-Saharan African team that every qualifies for a major tournament takes a witch doctor with them. I'm really struggling to see how religious belief can be used a stick to beat a player with.
That's hilarious.
"Why do you think this player is a risk?"
"Well, he's been on the record lately as saying that he thinks the reason things aren't working out for him is that his mother has cast a voodoo curse on him"
"Well, if you're writing off players believing in voodoo, you need to write off pretty much all sub Saharan African footballers."
You think his belief in Voodoo is a good reason not to sign him? I think it's a load of shite, I think all Theism is. If a player went through a bad spell of form then said he thought it was because he'd not been a good Christian, for instance, would you consider that to be a good reason not to sign him?
Yes, frankly.
Although there's a bit of a difference between "forgive me father, I have sinned" "say 100 hail marys and undergo a 20 match barren spell" and "I'm not scoring because my mother has put a voodoo curse on me".
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If he comes fair enough, it's not my money. If he doesn't I sense we've dodged a bullet
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All those reasons are terrible.
Yes ALL!
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By all means feel free to disagree by providing reasons why you feel he isn't a good footballer, but suggesting we shouldn't sign him due to half-baked, biased and unsubstantiated media drivel like the article quoted seems thoroughly odd to me.
Not a good player is not the only reason for disagreeing. I reserve the right to judge him on his attitude and behaviour. The article was just an example.
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A rubbish example! ;-)
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Thank you that's made me smile! Good night.
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Goodnight, I'll leave you in peace!
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I've completely changed my mind. He's not Dr Kananga, he can walk on water.
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And finally, the belief in voodoo. Well, if that's a reason to berate him, we really should be refusing to sign any non-Arab African player, given that belief in voodoo is so widespread that virtually every Sub-Saharan African team that every qualifies for a major tournament takes a witch doctor with them. I'm really struggling to see how religious belief can be used a stick to beat a player with.
That's hilarious.
"Why do you think this player is a risk?"
"Well, he's been on the record lately as saying that he thinks the reason things aren't working out for him is that his mother has cast a voodoo curse on him"
"Well, if you're writing off players believing in voodoo, you need to write off pretty much all sub Saharan African footballers."
You think his belief in Voodoo is a good reason not to sign him? I think it's a load of shite, I think all Theism is. If a player went through a bad spell of form then said he thought it was because he'd not been a good Christian, for instance, would you consider that to be a good reason not to sign him?
Yes, frankly.
Although there's a bit of a difference between "forgive me father, I have sinned" "say 100 hail marys and undergo a 20 match barren spell" and "I'm not scoring because my mother has put a voodoo curse on me".
Yeah some of that is really rational . .
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Well, if he joins, I'm looking forward to a blast of Voodoo Child as he takes to the pitch.
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I relate this true story to attempt to draw the sting of ridicule aimed at Adebayor for what he believes and what I sense is oblique ridicule of sub Saharan African people.
I know a young man, in his forties now who went to school with my son. One of the cleverest boys of his generation who went into an academic research career which harnessed his great intellect but which paid, as is invariably the case, peanuts. A year or two ago the young man jacked in his research work and went to work for the biggest sports betting organization in the country where he made fortunes for his employers and fortunes for himself as a football odds calculator.
He comes from a devout Jewish family and his mother was outraged at the abandonment of his academic work and his pursuit of money. He tried in vain to point out that at forty years of age he had had no house, no car, no wife, no money but it all fell on deaf ears and on her deathbed she cursed him. From that day he lost the use of his legs and became confined to a wheelchair. He still fixes the football odds and has a wheelchair modified top of the range Mercedes he says Ballotelli paid for, but he still cannot walk.
A true story I relate only to illustrate that psychosomatic illness can and does strike at all people of all races, colours and creeds.
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Spot on Brian.
Curses can be extremely powerful to those that believe.
Indeed, the gypsies curse on Birmingham City not only made them fucking useless for evermore, but also in their past too.
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Voodoo is a fascinating subject, and (as you say Brian) dramatically demonstrates the power of psychosomatic effects. Of course the underpinning mechanics are nonsense, but the combination of cultural resonance and observed psychosomatic effects result in lots of cultures believing in it.
In my view it is absolutely no different to Christianity or any other religion in this way: bizarre, highly implausible world view largely contradictory to scientific fact, long cultural history, many people brought up in that environment continue to believe in it.
In this way Adebayor is no different to (say) a South American Catholic player.
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Spot on Brian.
Curses can be extremely powerful to those that believe.
Indeed, the gypsies curse on Birmingham City not only made them fucking useless for evermore, but also in their past too.
LeeB You the Man, any one who can get a negative spin on that shit small heath, is top bloke.
and to do it in this thread,
Hats off to you.
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on according to the Times today and according to someone on VT who knows 'someone' in the club shop ,who said they were busy printing up the no 10 shirt with Ade's name on it. So there you are.
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Well, if he joins, I'm looking forward to a blast of Voodoo Child as he takes to the pitch.
Let's hope he's a Predator 2 - Fuckin' Voodoo Magic Man
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on according to the Times today and according to someone on VT who knows 'someone' in the club shop ,who said they were busy printing up the no 10 shirt with Ade's name on it. So there you are.
Edmondson ?
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Don't forget our own Yellow Dot is a bit voodooish
And that always works
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The media say Levy is a genius at negotiating deals so it must be true.
Bitter Arsenal fans who never forgave Adebayor for leaving for a more successful club and sad, Small Heathesque, Tottenham fans who never forgave Adebayor for playing for Arsenal say he's trouble. Even though he's scored goals whenever he's been a regular starter throughout his career and nobody seems able to provide any evidence of him being trouble.
He just is.
For some reason.
I think Levy being a great negotiator is one of this widely known facts that isn't actually a fact, like sharks not being able to get cancer. There's deals you can point to that spurs did well out of and some really poor ones, like pretty much any club.
I think part of it being people know who he is and associate him as looking after the owners money, who has absolutely no public profile. I've seen people commenting online about it being his money as well.
There's probably some subconcsious Dave Whealen style logic in there as well, it being Spurs.
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Told you it was a done deal a mth ago .....
They have pulled the plug on Townsend ,his work rate isn't good so I'm happy.
Thou might be in for Lennon.
And theres some more good signings coming .
I'd rather have Townsend.
If there is one player who defines taking a punt on him on loan than it is Adebayor. If options are limited then I am happy to give him a few months if his few goals help to keep us up for another season.
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And finally, the belief in voodoo. Well, if that's a reason to berate him, we really should be refusing to sign any non-Arab African player, given that belief in voodoo is so widespread that virtually every Sub-Saharan African team that every qualifies for a major tournament takes a witch doctor with them. I'm really struggling to see how religious belief can be used a stick to beat a player with.
That's hilarious.
"Why do you think this player is a risk?"
"Well, he's been on the record lately as saying that he thinks the reason things aren't working out for him is that his mother has cast a voodoo curse on him"
"Well, if you're writing off players believing in voodoo, you need to write off pretty much all sub Saharan African footballers."
You think his belief in Voodoo is a good reason not to sign him? I think it's a load of shite, I think all Theism is. If a player went through a bad spell of form then said he thought it was because he'd not been a good Christian, for instance, would you consider that to be a good reason not to sign him?
Yes, frankly.
Although there's a bit of a difference between "forgive me father, I have sinned" "say 100 hail marys and undergo a 20 match barren spell" and "I'm not scoring because my mother has put a voodoo curse on me".
Not really because as said ju-ju is still widely held as a belief system across West Africa. No that it's widely followed in terms of practising but more of a superstition. If a businessman opens new premises he is still likely to go to the 'witch doctor' for a few words of good fortune. Sadly, that also involves someone being kidnapped , beheaded and the head buried under said premises. Even children. To that end it is less likely to be seen in the cities, major cities, but its still there endemic across the region.
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And finally, the belief in voodoo. Well, if that's a reason to berate him, we really should be refusing to sign any non-Arab African player, given that belief in voodoo is so widespread that virtually every Sub-Saharan African team that every qualifies for a major tournament takes a witch doctor with them. I'm really struggling to see how religious belief can be used a stick to beat a player with.
That's hilarious.
"Why do you think this player is a risk?"
"Well, he's been on the record lately as saying that he thinks the reason things aren't working out for him is that his mother has cast a voodoo curse on him"
"Well, if you're writing off players believing in voodoo, you need to write off pretty much all sub Saharan African footballers."
You think his belief in Voodoo is a good reason not to sign him? I think it's a load of shite, I think all Theism is. If a player went through a bad spell of form then said he thought it was because he'd not been a good Christian, for instance, would you consider that to be a good reason not to sign him?
Yes, frankly.
Although there's a bit of a difference between "forgive me father, I have sinned" "say 100 hail marys and undergo a 20 match barren spell" and "I'm not scoring because my mother has put a voodoo curse on me".
Not really because as said ju-ju is still widely held as a belief system across West Africa. No that it's widely followed in terms of practising but more of a superstition. If a businessman opens new premises he is still likely to go to the 'witch doctor' for a few words of good fortune. Sadly, that also involves someone being kidnapped , beheaded and the head buried under said premises. Even children. To that end it is less likely to be seen in the cities, major cities, but its still there endemic across the region.
Being from Korea there's probably a good chance Ki From Swansea believes celling fans in rooms can kill people. I'd have loved us to sign him though! Didn't cissokho or some other play fail a medical in Italy because of the belief his wonky teeth would make him susceptible to other injuries?
Cultures have superstitions. I'm sure there are otherwise reasonable seeming people all of us know who believe they've communicated with their dead nan, or something.
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on according to the Times today and according to someone on VT who knows 'someone' in the club shop ,who said they were busy printing up the no 10 shirt with Ade's name on it. So there you are.
I used to work in the shop, albeit 15 years ago and I'd be surprised if they know. It doesn't take 5 minutes to number up a shirt either so it wont keep them busy.
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Don't forget our own Yellow Dot is a bit voodooish
And that always works
What about the Admiral's Pie ?
Does the mythical power of fish mean that this is the Christian version of the Dot (which is orange rather than yellow)
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Of course they do. The point being that as sub continent dwellers tend to hold onto a parochial system and dowries , then the same is said for West Africa. It permeates all areas of life. Plus, I didn't say I wouldn't sell him rather the opposite. As CD said if we didn't sign somebody because of some belief or the other we'd never get anyone in.
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There's a great tune by The Neon Judgement called "Voodoo Nipplefield"
Just thought that I'd mention it
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NO to Lennon, Fast and not a lot else, there is a good reason why he's done nothing for years
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The Neon Judgement sounds made up, like the sort of band Jeremy in Peep Show would like.
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Well, if he joins, I'm looking forward to a blast of Voodoo Child as he takes to the pitch.
Personally I prefer Voodoo Chile.
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NO to Lennon, Fast and not a lot else, there is a good reason why he's done nothing for years
He seemed to do OK on loan at Everton last season.
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The dot is/was orange.
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NO to Lennon, Fast and not a lot else, there is a good reason why he's done nothing for years
He seemed to do OK on loan at Everton last season.
Did he?
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The Neon Judgement sounds made up, like the sort of band Jeremy in Peep Show would like.
They're calling it a day later this year after 35 years. The final gig is in Brussels in September. I did consider going but it clashes with the Liverpool game / Psychfest and...... TNJ are no where near as good as they used to be.
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Thing is Levy is in no real position to negotiate or play hard ball. Rather like our attempts to get rid of the bomb squad a couple of years ago, he's made it pretty clear they are desperate to get rid of Adebayor. Once you reveal yourself as having that position it's hard to negotiate a deal that suits you.
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After the past 5 years I'll embrace any new spell or magic to break the curse of misery that has hovered over us all and turned us into wrist slashing manic depressives. In fact I'll buy an Adebayor shirt if it helps.
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The dot is/was orange.
It appears yellow to some, such is its powers.
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WHERREEEE ARE YA? LEEETTS BE HAVING YA!
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The dot is/was orange.
It appears yellow to some, such is its powers.
I felt a little let down by the dot a few times last season.
There. I said it.
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can you be anything other than a wrist slashing manic depressive as a Villa supporter? I must admit you need to ingest a few things from time to time to counteract the symptoms, but I wouldn't change it, even if I could.
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The dot was supposed to lift us out of that, though.
Disappointing.
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Well, if he joins, I'm looking forward to a blast of Voodoo Child as he takes to the pitch.
Personally I prefer Voodoo Chile.
Voodoo Chile (Slight Return) is a better track by far!
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There's a great tune by The Neon Judgement called "Voodoo Nipplefield"
Just thought that I'd mention it
Good band
Theres a good festival on this weekend I'm playing in Islington with some cool bands . Then combichrist on monday
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NO to Lennon, Fast and not a lot else, there is a good reason why he's done nothing for years
I think it was only a enquiry maybe to put pressure on Townsend price coming down . I don't know he wouldn't tell me a lot when I saw him but mentioned two good signing . Maybe that was gestede and the French guy but he said I would be pleased with them.
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The dot is/was orange.
It appears yellow to some, such is its powers.
I felt a little let down by the dot a few times last season.
There. I said it.
Did Legion's break it?
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another day passes. Is he still at The Belfry?
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He's probably the best golfer in the country by now.
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I am. A 78 at Breadsall Priory today. Happy Rotters!
Ps I don't want Adebayor...
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Breadsall Priory ?? That brings back memories - do they still have that elevated tee above the entrance road to the clubhouse ??
10th tee iirc
Haven't been there for 35 years mind - things can change.. :)
Never played the course, mind - just as a spectator at a company do.
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They do, Sir Steve. The 11th on the Priory course.
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Adebayor is now a scratch golfer and joining the Challenge Tour .
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I'm inclined to believe the press that the hold up is with the player, which isn't encouraging for several reasons
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He's been lost in a bunker since Sunday
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He's been lost in a bunker since Sunday
He's doing a "Sadam" , out from one bunker straight into the next .
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I am. A 78 at Breadsall Priory today. Happy Rotters!
That's pretty good. You must have avoided the windmill and got the ball in the clown's mouth first shot
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He's been lost in a bunker since Sunday
He's doing a "Sadam" , out from one bunker straight into the next .
Time to send out a search party. On camels.
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I wish he'd make his mind up, as I'd have him in my fantasy team if he moved to us.
If not I'll have to move onto other options
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He's been lost in a bunker since Sunday
He's doing a "Sadam" , out from one bunker straight into the next .
Time to send out a search party. On camels.
Sensitive stage of negotiations. We don't want him to get the hump.
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He's been lost in a bunker since Sunday
He's doing a "Sadam" , out from one bunker straight into the next .
Time to send out a search party. On camels.
Sensitive stage of negotiations. We don't want him to get the hump.
He might feel deserted. Group hug?
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Think he retires from football to take up Golf professionally. (Probably)
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I'm inclined to believe the press that the hold up is with the player, which isn't encouraging for several reasons
If the move is off then its a positive as far as Im concerned :D
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Gregg Evans seems to think it's still rumbling on, w the delay possibly connected to what would trigger a permanent deal. Id rather not pre commit ourselves in that way
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It's dragged on too long and no longer feels mutual .
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It's dragged on too long and no longer feels mutual .
You've just described my sex life.
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The dot was supposed to lift us out of that, though.
Disappointing.
I think its probably best for us, and the dot, if we both went our separate ways. I think Wolves is it's level nowadays really. it was a powerful performer before its long absence but since coming back it seems to have struggled fitting back in. yeah, maybe will be called a Villa legend one day but I think, God this is hard, its time to say goodbye.
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another day passes. Is he still at The Belfry?
Have they asked him that interview question "How many golf balls are there in the Greater Birmingham [Sit DOWN you Yam Yams!] area?"
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If we do a good job of transitioning, losing the dot could actually be good for us.
Southampton lost their dot this time last summer, and look at them now.
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Quick quiz question : which erstwhile poster gave us the orange dot?
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Mazrim?
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weatherman?
submariner?
Oscar?
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Mazrim.
Ding! End of à cracking round.
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Holtemeister.
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another day dawns. I'm assuming he's still at the Belfry? I wonder what he had for breakfast?
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I think today's the day...
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another day dawns. I'm assuming he's still at the Belfry? I wonder what he had for breakfast?
...and did he take his extra large plate down to the buffet?
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Yes for a welcome to a proper club cake.
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another day dawns. I'm assuming he's still at the Belfry? I wonder what he had for breakfast?
A continental breakfast. Washed down with a energy drink.
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=9&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDoQFjAIahUKEwir_Kz70pHHAhXKOT4KHdyMAGc&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmetro.co.uk%2F2012%2F10%2F09%2Femmanuel-adebayor-pouts-his-way-through-energy-drink-advert-596131%2F&ei=69nBVevaBMrz-AHcmYK4Bg&usg=AFQjCNFxHRIP5IciC0TL_j-CWSUVP53OPg&bvm=bv.99261572,d.cWw
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he certainly doesn't look like a cornflakes sort of guy, or even a Weetabix man.
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Weetabix Man would be a shit superhero.
"What's your power then Weetabix Man?"
"I go instantly soggy in warm milk!"
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Weetabix Man would be a shit superhero.
"What's your power then Weetabix Man?"
"I go instantly soggy in warm milk!"
Yeah, but when he's dried out he's harder than concrete.
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really? He looks a bit narcissistic for that . At a pinch I could see him with a bowl of sugar puffs.
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Weetabix Man would be a shit superhero.
"What's your power then Weetabix Man?"
"I go instantly soggy in warm milk!"
Yeah, but when he's dried out he's harder than concrete.
So he's only out with calf injuries every other season?
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another day dawns. I'm assuming he's still at the Belfry? I wonder what he had for breakfast?
A continental breakfast. Washed down with a energy drink.
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another day dawns. I'm assuming he's still at the Belfry? I wonder what he had for breakfast?
Kedgeree
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Kedgeree
Bless you.
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Well this is ridiculous now. If he wan't to join us he should be training with his team mates not surfing the adult channels in a hotel room.
Frankly, if it's him or Levy holding it up I think we should walk away now.
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another day dawns. I'm assuming he's still at the Belfry? I wonder what he had for breakfast?
He's been there that long now the staff have started calling him the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air
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well, the close of another day. I guess he's still at The Belfry? I wonder what he's going to have for tea?
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Pork chop, Mash potato and green beans. :) (that's what I'm having :))
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Maybe he won't be having Pork after all, he may be muslim.
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Whatever he can trap and kill in the bunker.
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steady on. he ain't no bear grylls
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I know it's the Daily Mail but they have an article on news now, he is reluctant to come because we have lost three key players and might be involved in another relegation scrap. Yes mate, but you will be playing for the reserves at Tottenham. Walk away Tim. Surely we can go elsewhere and save the money for another target?
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Get Berbatov in. Would be much better for us if Ade has that attitude.
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He didn't realize then that had Benteke stayed, he wouldn't be joining anyway?
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well, the close of another day. I guess he's still at The Belfry? I wonder what he's going to have for tea?
I think they call it "dinner" at The Belfry.
Which makes me think, "what did he have for his dinner?".
Which they call "lunch" at The Belfry.
So, like you mr u, I wonder what he's having for his tea?
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Surely he knew the score before he came and had a medical and a meet with Sherwood.
The more it drags on and the more room service he orders it's looking less likely.
I think Spurs lack of transfer activity especially in the striker department isn't helping the deal along.
Move on and go again?
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High tea and supper do keep up.
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I know it's the Daily Mail but they have an article on news now, he is reluctant to come because we have lost three key players and might be involved in another relegation scrap. Yes mate, but you will be playing for the reserves at Tottenham. Walk away Tim. Surely we can go elsewhere and save the money for another target?
I wouldn't believe anything I mean anything the Daily Heil prints. I can't see AB saying that.
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Maybe he's waiting to see if Delph does a U-turn?
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Whispers on Twitter claiming the hold up is we want the loan to automatically convert to permanent as long as we don't drop but Ade wants a guarantee of staying no matter what....believe / make of that as you will.
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bullshit i'd imagine. I would hope we weren't automatically converting anything to permanent unless he meet a long list of performance targets
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Whispers on Twitter claiming the hold up is we want the loan to automatically convert to permanent as long as we don't drop but Ade wants a guarantee of staying no matter what....believe / make of that as you will.
Surely at this stage of Adebayor's career it's about playing football. If he wants to ensure a bumper final last contract then it's the type of footballer we want at the club.
I'd hoped he'd be more willing, knowing he was going to enjoy playing for a year under a manager that trusts him. Rather than rotting in Spurs reserves.
I was all for this transfer, now I'm starting to have my reservations.
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Whispers on Twitter claiming the hold up is we want the loan to automatically convert to permanent as long as we don't drop but Ade wants a guarantee of staying no matter what....believe / make of that as you will.
Surely at this stage of Adebayor's career it's about playing football. If he wants to ensure a bumper final last contract then it's the type of footballer we want at the club.
I'd hoped he'd be more willing, knowing he was going to enjoy playing for a year under a manager that trusts him. Rather than rotting in Spurs reserves.
I was all for this transfer, now I'm starting to have my reservations.
To be honest at this stage of his career and given his options I'd say his pay packet is a concern at the very front of his mindset.
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Maybe he's waiting to see if Delph does a U-turn?
That would be a wn turn overall, wouldn't it?
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I think it would be an s-shaped slither.
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He is worried about fighting a relegation battle at Villa? Cheeky ******. He should feel privileged that were showing an interest, let Palace have him.
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Whispers on Twitter claiming the hold up is we want the loan to automatically convert to permanent as long as we don't drop but Ade wants a guarantee of staying no matter what....believe / make of that as you will.
Would have thought Adebayor's best bet would be just a loan and become a free agent in 12 months.
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Whispers on Twitter claiming the hold up is we want the loan to automatically convert to permanent as long as we don't drop but Ade wants a guarantee of staying no matter what....believe / make of that as you will.
Surely at this stage of Adebayor's career it's about playing football. If he wants to ensure a bumper final last contract then it's the type of footballer we don't want at the club.
I'd hoped he'd be more willing, knowing he was going to enjoy playing for a year under a manager that trusts him. Rather than rotting in Spurs reserves.
I was all for this transfer, now I'm starting to have my reservations.
To be honest at this stage of his career and given his options I'd say his pay packet is a concern at the very front of his mindset.
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If I were to put my money anywhere it would be on Ade want g to come but Levy trying to live up to his own reputation. A spurs I speak to said he will drag it on claiming it was player and us as smokescreen to justify not buying anyone as they are woefully short up top
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Whispers on Twitter claiming the hold up is we want the loan to automatically convert to permanent as long as we don't drop but Ade wants a guarantee of staying no matter what....believe / make of that as you will.
Surely at this stage of Adebayor's career it's about playing football. If he wants to ensure a bumper final last contract then it's the type of footballer we want at the club.
I'd hoped he'd be more willing, knowing he was going to enjoy playing for a year under a manager that trusts him. Rather than rotting in Spurs reserves.
I was all for this transfer, now I'm starting to have my reservations.
I think that's the problem right there. He'll be 32 in February, so the chances of him getting a bumper 3-4 year contract next summer are slimmer than mine are of a quick frolic with Jennifer Garner.
I can understand why he'd want the security of a permanent deal now, but not at our expense thanks.
Alternatively this story is horseshit and the problem is actually that Levy doesn't like our terms for the loan, but has nowhere else to go.
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If I were to put my money anywhere it would be on Ade want g to come but Levy trying to live up to his own reputation.
Sounds the most plausible to me.
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The Daily Fascist says he doesn't fancy it. Hopefully this is true and he can go to Palace instead.
link (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3186231/Emmanuel-Adebayor-s-future-uncertain-proposed-Aston-Villa-loan-hits-rocks.html)
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I hope this one falls through. Sounds promising.
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If I were to put my money anywhere it would be on Ade want g to come but Levy trying to live up to his own reputation. A spurs I speak to said he will drag it on claiming it was player and us as smokescreen to justify not buying anyone as they are woefully short up top
It could also be that Spurs do not want to let him go until they have a striker or two of their own in. Soldado has been linked with a move over the last few weeks and he's still there as well. If them pair both leave, all they have is Harry Kane. Just an alternative view.
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I hope this one falls through. Sounds promising.
This.
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Surely he aint worth this effort.
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Just revised Tottingham ins & outs on SSN. Only makes sense if Levy is typically holding back for a late window flurry & seeking bargains. No strikers in, yet Soldado out & Adebayor deal done wouldn't make sense.
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Fuck the fuckers. Find someone else.
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IF it can't be completed in 24 hours then we need to move on. We should only sign him if he is prepared to give 110% or not.
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Is it just me, or are we giving him really good chance to get back on track here?
If he can't be arsed enough, then, as villalion says, fu*k the fuc*er, move on.
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If it's true and he doesn't fancy the move, then we should move on, this guy could string us along until the deadline and then decide to stay in London. If the lad is motivated and wants to prove to everyone that he's still a great player, we are the ideal club. A big club with a lot to prove. He should see himself as the guy to drag us up along the table this season. If not, he's not worth the effort.
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Sounds like he's haggling for a better deal for himself too. He would have been well aware of who's left before getting in to talks. Sounds like he's in one of his fuck about moods and would be a disaster next season.
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Get Berbatov in. Would be much better for us if Ade has that attitude.
If we are objecting to that attitude from Adebayor - and if that's how he is, then we should be objecting - surely Berbatov, last seen desparately scrambling to escape Fulham during a relegation battle, is another one to avoid.
These two strike me as two players who would just cause problems and not be worth the trouble.
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To be honest none of us have any idea what's going on and there really is nothing to say he is f*cking us around anymore than Levy is f*cking both us and him around. If he really is holed up in the Belfry then it doesn't smack of someone who isn't sure if he wants to come, it smacks more of someone desperate to not go home until it's done....who knows.
All I do know is I have more faith in him doing something this season for us than Berbatov...not sure why, I just have.
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Nobody really knows what's going on. It does seem odd that we don't know one way or the other yet when negotiations began roughly when Ask Jeeves was popular.
If we don't get him, I hope we have a plan (B), and that it doesn't stand for "Berbatov".
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The Daily Fascist says he doesn't fancy it. Hopefully this is true and he can go to Palace instead.
link (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3186231/Emmanuel-Adebayor-s-future-uncertain-proposed-Aston-Villa-loan-hits-rocks.html)
If any of that is even slightly true then we should avoid him at all costs. Not at all what we need attitude wise.
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There's probably loads if shenanigans going on. It might be a smokescreen by us and him to get Spurs to take more of the salary. He could, be grumpy. We might be fucking about or Levy is being a twat.
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Is it just me, or are we giving him really good chance to get back on track here?
If he can't be arsed enough, then, as villalion says, fu*k the fuc*er, move on.
That's the part that's baffling me. We're giving him a cracking opportunity to show his talents.
If he doesn't fancy it, we need to quickly move on.
Transfer funds permitting I'd love to see us continue with the French theme and go for Alexandre Lacazette
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The Daily Fascist says he doesn't fancy it. Hopefully this is true and he can go to Palace instead.
link (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3186231/Emmanuel-Adebayor-s-future-uncertain-proposed-Aston-Villa-loan-hits-rocks.html)
If the Daily Mail wrote an article tomorrow about us having signed 3 players called Jordan I wouldn't believe it.
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If he doesn't fancy it, perhaps it's because he doesn't have it in him to try and win a place from Gestede, Ayew and Kozak? He may just prefer one of the low end London clubs where he might have less competition for a starting place.
This could be one of those moves that happens on the last day of the window, but honestly, I don't think he's worth the wait at all.
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In all reality I don't think any of us are that arsed if he comes or not
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I honestly think he'd rather sit on his arse and earn £100k a week than actually play football. Bit like that bloke at Chelsea who did it for 4 years. Bogart was it ?
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You can pick out decent seasons goalscoring-wise during Adebayor's career.
But even at those times, he was seen as volatile and a player that would go missing quite a bit. I don't think that aspect of his game has improved with age.
Previous records are important when it comes to judging a player (or manager), but in the same way that Houllier's career was clearly winding down when he joined us, Adebayor's looks like it is on the slide.
I wouldn't back him to get 15-20 goals for us or any other topflight side next season.
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Get Berbatov in. Would be much better for us if Ade has that attitude.
If we are objecting to that attitude from Adebayor - and if that's how he is, then we should be objecting - surely Berbatov, last seen desparately scrambling to escape Fulham during a relegation battle, is another one to avoid.
These two strike me as two players who would just cause problems and not be worth the trouble.
Difference being one was still cutting it in the Champions league and looking a good player for Monaco, and would add something totally different too us.
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In all reality I don't think any of us are that arsed if he comes or not
I think that's nail on head time
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None of us really know what the reason for the hold up is. It could be Levy playing hard-ball again, but whatever it is I hope we get him. He's got a touch of class about him on the pitch and Sherwood can get the best out of him.
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Sounds like bolx to me. If that story is true then why would Adebayor give a flying fuck about our potential league position if its just a loan for one season? There are other non-mental experienced players that would do a better job so move on.
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It does sound like reporter driven rubbish. Despite who we've lost, I think most players would be excited by the start of a new 'project' and starting again with a group of new players. Adebayor must have a lot of confidence in Sherwood given their history and presumably he could have been in London talking to the likes of Palace the whole while rather than suddenly having second thoughts.
It seems much more likely that we're haggling over a loan fee and/or how much of his wages we pay. Levy's reputation backs that up.
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Well there is good news after all:
But, as talks continued to drag on, Sherwood made the decision to cancel the deal and will now continue to look elsewhere for a striker to fill the void left by Christian Benteke.
Villa will not turn, however, to Dimitar Berbatov, despite the persistent link with the former Manchester United and Tottenham man but this development will come as a significant blow to Adebayor, who wanted to resurrect his career under Sherwood.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3186231/Emmanuel-Adebayor-s-future-uncertain-proposed-Aston-Villa-loan-hits-rocks.html#ixzz3hzD9OksY
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I'd say great news (figures crossed it's actaully true...).
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brilliant news. another day dawns...
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Haven't the Mail reported both that adebayor was stalling and then that villa pulled the plug leaving adebayor disappointed, within the same evening?
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It still wouldn't surprise me if he ended up here towards the end of the window.
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Articles in the Mail are the printed equivalent of Twatter.
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I get the feeling that our negotiating team have the mind set of avoiding last minute panic buys. They have done the business so far in an admirably organised way, I don't think they would want to blot that copybook with a flurry of pants-on-fire activity.
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Adebayor goes to Villa to discuss move + nothing happens straight away = many reasons. In the 'Mail' world = a new exclusive report of b******* every hour.
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being reported that the hold up is due to him not wanting to relocate from london
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Another Unsworth.
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Not sure which Mail it is you are reading (Birmingham or Daily), but if it is so poor then why bother reading it?
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He could always stay with SVC. Mentor extraordinary.
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Get Berbatov in. Would be much better for us if Ade has that attitude.
If we are objecting to that attitude from Adebayor - and if that's how he is, then we should be objecting - surely Berbatov, last seen desparately scrambling to escape Fulham during a relegation battle, is another one to avoid.
These two strike me as two players who would just cause problems and not be worth the trouble.
Difference being one was still cutting it in the Champions league and looking a good player for Monaco, and would add something totally different too us.
It's one thing being motivated to play in the Champions League for Monaco and another to do it for a team fighting to break a sequence of relegation struggles.
He had the same ability, and was younger, at Fulham but was absolutely no use in helping them stay up and couldn't get away quick enough.
He is exactly the type of player we should run a mile from.
Until this saga I'd have taken Adebayor on loan, but I'm now thinking we should walk away from that one too. He's not worth the risk either.
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If he genuinely wants to play football then it should be an easy decision - he says yes, moves house and gets to work justifying his salary. If living in London is too bloody important then he can do one as far as I'm concerned. If that's the real reason for this delay...
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Berbatov didn't start regularly last season - in fact I think he started less than half the league games. I watched a lot of Monaco's games, and he was only sporadically effective, even in Ligue 1 which doesn't have anything like the physical intensity of the Premier League. As the season went on, he lost his starting spot to Martial and Monaco actually looked a better all-round team for it. Jardim picked him for the Champions League ties, because that's his preferred stage.
He still never made it above a jog at any point, and only got 7 league goals. The team has to play to his strengths, and get the ball to him, because he won't come looking for it himself. Once in a while he'll come up with an outrageous piece of skill that will make you forget the other 89 minutes he spent strolling around doing f*ck all. That's not necessarily the kind of player you want in a side that might be battling relegation.
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Berbatov has always struck me as a lazy player who could barely be arsed to keep warm. And having met the bloke in Bulgaria I can say that he is a complete cock. Not the kind of player we need at Villa Park
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Adebayor is the archetypal been there, done that, written the script , starred in and directed and produced the film type of guy. That in my humble opinion isn't the kind of player we need in the sort of side we are building. He's probably an even more astute businessman than Levy and I get the impression he'd rather stick two fingers up to everybody and calmly pocket his £5m over the coming season without doing much, if anything, to earn it, rather than fight for a place and be an inspirational part of a new set up. There was a guy at Chelsea recently whose name I can't instantly recall, who did absolutely fuck all for about four years on similar money. It's just not worth the aggravation of trying to accommodate him.
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Adebayor is the archetypal been there, done that, written the script , starred in and directed and produced the film type of guy. That in my humble opinion isn't the kind of player we need in the sort of side we are building. He's probably an even more astute businessman than Levy and I get the impression he'd rather stick two fingers up to everybody and calmly pocket his £5m over the coming season without doing much, if anything, to earn it, rather than fight for a place and be an inspirational part of a new set up. There was a guy at Chelsea recently whose name I can't instantly recall, who did absolutely fuck all for about four years on similar money. It's just not worth the aggravation of trying to accommodate him.
Winston Bogarde ?
UTV
The Doc
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If he genuinely wants to play football then it should be an easy decision - he says yes, moves house and gets to work justifying his salary. If living in London is too bloody important then he can do one as far as I'm concerned. If that's the real reason for this delay...
Yes, it's a shame for him that Birmingham and London are 400 miles apart. There's no way on earth he could jump in his supercar after training and still be home in time for Neighbours.
(Assuming that Neighbours being on at tea time is still a thing).
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If the hold up is Spurs, wait. If any other reason, move on.
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If he genuinely wants to play football then it should be an easy decision - he says yes, moves house and gets to work justifying his salary. If living in London is too bloody important then he can do one as far as I'm concerned. If that's the real reason for this delay...
Yes, it's a shame for him that Birmingham and London are 400 miles apart. There's no way on earth he could jump in his supercar after training and still be home in time for Neighbours.
(Assuming that Neighbours being on at tea time is still a thing).
Think he's more of a countdown man
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Adebayor is the archetypal been there, done that, written the script , starred in and directed and produced the film type of guy. That in my humble opinion isn't the kind of player we need in the sort of side we are building. He's probably an even more astute businessman than Levy and I get the impression he'd rather stick two fingers up to everybody and calmly pocket his £5m over the coming season without doing much, if anything, to earn it, rather than fight for a place and be an inspirational part of a new set up. There was a guy at Chelsea recently whose name I can't instantly recall, who did absolutely fuck all for about four years on similar money. It's just not worth the aggravation of trying to accommodate him.
Winston Bogarde ?
UTV
The Doc
No, he's thinking of Steven Gerrard at Liverpool :-)
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I'd pass on both Berby and 'bayor ... maybe wait see who becomes available in late August or in January.
Get in another CB, though.
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I really want Adebayor. He's got a history of scoring goals in this league, we could do with someone like that now Benteke's gone.
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I really want Adebayor. He's got a history of scoring goals in this league, we could do with someone like that now Benteke's gone.
I'm sure he'll be here. We were never going to rollover and pay all his wages (especially all summer)
We are at the point where they will be desperate to get shot and we now need the bodies in.
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we do need a proven striker, I'd still be happy with Adebayor - but only on the 1 year option. We can't start the season short on strikers, like last season, when Gabby & Weimann were the strikers. Ok, we started well enough, but as soon as the back 4 started leaking goals the next few months were a disgrace.
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I really want Adebayor. He's got a history of scoring goals in this league, we could do with someone like that now Benteke's gone.
I'm sure he'll be here. We were never going to rollover and pay all his wages (especially all summer)
We are at the point where they will be desperate to get shot and we now need the bodies in.
Oh yeah, I'm sure the hold up is down to Levy being Levy. Just want it to be done!
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adebayor is not coming to villa, apparantly he thinks villa will be in another relegation battle
also sherwood is fed up off discussions
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adebayor is not coming to villa, apparantly he thinks villa will be in another relegation battle
also sherwood is fed up off discussions
The guy doesn't like challenges does he?!
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50 pages on this waste of space - close the thread
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50 pages on this waste of space - close the thread
Yeah and just think if we actually got him. There'd probably be an extra ten pages discussing his first injury!
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as some insightful poster said yesterday fuck the fucker. Doesn't want to move to Birmingham or fight a relegation battle. what a cnut.
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He's happier sat on his arse than actually "working" for his £100k a week .
If there was a celebrity "benefits street" this guy would be on it
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He's happier sat on his arse than actually "working" for his £100k a week .
If there was a celebrity "benefits street" this guy would be on it
I'm surprised ITV haven't thought of bringing out a show like that.
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What a bell end. It's a short career and he had an opportunity to play for another few years at a decent club with an ambitious manager he knows well and some exciting new players. But he'd rather stay in London and watch his career dwindle away at a club who wont play him.
Such a twat.
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What a bell end. It's a short career and he had an opportunity to play for another few years at a decent club with an ambitious manager he knows well and some exciting new players. But he'd rather stay in London and watch his career dwindle away at a club who wont play him.
Such a twat.
If what is being reported is accurate
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If we're not careful, we could end up spunking a lot of money on a bloke who's not welcome and already causing trouble before he kicks a ball. Drop him and get someone who's actually wants to play for our wonderful football club.
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well said. We had young ambitious guys from across France willing to take a gamble on a new country, culture and club, yet his tosspot can be arsed to travel a 100 miles
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If he is going to get his spell lifted it will be in front of the Holte End on full gas.
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If he is going to get his spell lifted it will be in front of the Holte End on full gas.
...and not by pissing in each corner of the ground
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And that.
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What a bell end. It's a short career and he had an opportunity to play for another few years at a decent club with an ambitious manager he knows well and some exciting new players. But he'd rather stay in London and watch his career dwindle away at a club who wont play him.
Such a twat.
If what is being reported is accurate
Exactly. Someone says something with no quotes from the player and suddenly it's the truth.
I'm not fussed either way about the outcome of this supposed move. I don't want him as first choice if he does come either.
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I think he failed his medical. Clubs just putting a different spin on it.
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Let's hope we have a plan B
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as some insightful poster said yesterday fuck the fucker. Doesn't want to move to Birmingham or fight a relegation battle. what a cnut.
You didn't want him anyway, so you should be pleased.
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What a bell end. It's a short career and he had an opportunity to play for another few years at a decent club with an ambitious manager he knows well and some exciting new players. But he'd rather stay in London and watch his career dwindle away at a club who wont play him.
Such a twat.
If what is being reported is accurate
Exactly. Someone says something with no quotes from the player and suddenly it's the truth.
I'm not fussed either way about the outcome of this supposed move. I don't want him as first choice if he does come either.
I agree with what you are both saying, it could indeed be bullshit. But, this is Adebayor we're talking about so for me, that makes it believable.
I stick to what I said about a month ago when we were first linked with him, he can go and get himself vigorously rammed with the fat end of a champaign bottle.
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Not too fussed how this one plays out.
Ideally we would have signed one of the promising youngsters and Adebeyor. However the signing of Gestede makes that move less logical as we cannot afford to have too many players/wages not playing regularly. Kozak/Gestede can battle it out for the Benteke role whilst Sinclair, Ayew, Grealish, Gil and Gabby compete for the support/assist positions.
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We'd be putting a lot of faith in gestede and Kozak. I like Kozak but he's not fit to lace benteke's boots. His lack of pace and physical presence is very noticeable. He's a good scorer though. Gestede clearly an unknown quantity at this level as is Ayew
Could work out but I definitely want some proven attacking pedigree if we can get it. It's not like we can rely on clean sheets and nicking goals.
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The scenario that he's using the relocation as a bargaining tool for a permanent move makes the most sense to me. Realistically we are only going to want him here short term for his proven Premier League goals and he probably knows that if we're saying we only want you on loan for the season and nothing else. Unfortunately for him we can always move on to other targets and he risks another season sat on his arse.
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We'd be putting a lot of faith in gestede and Kozak. I like Kozak but he's not fit to lace benteke's boots. His lack of pace and physical presence is very noticeable. He's a good scorer though. Gestede clearly an unknown quantity at this level as is Ayew
Could work out but I definitely want some proven attacking pedigree if we can get it. It's not like we can rely on clean sheets and nicking goals.
Yes, me too. I might not want Adebayor - although I will cut him slack on the reported reasons he apparently doesn't want to come as they may not be true - but boy do we need someone with experience and a decent track record as we are very vulnerable in this area and one injury will potentially cause us some serious problems
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Massive wanker. Glad that he'll never darken our doors.
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Let's hope he's settled his bar bill at the belfry
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Excellent news
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Excellent news
I don't see how it can possibly be excellent news. You may not like him, but if he was part of Tim's master plan then failing to secure him is not good.
I suspect Tim knows more about the teams needs and his ability to cater for them more than any of us.
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I very much doubt TS master plan was based on a loan deal for Adebayor...if it was, then its a bit of a shit plan.
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What a bell end. It's a short career and he had an opportunity to play for another few years at a decent club with an ambitious manager he knows well and some exciting new players. But he'd rather stay in London and watch his career dwindle away at a club who wont play him.
Such a twat.
If what is being reported is accurate
Exactly. Someone says something with no quotes from the player and suddenly it's the truth.
I'm not fussed either way about the outcome of this supposed move. I don't want him as first choice if he does come either.
I agree with what you are both saying, it could indeed be bullshit. But, this is Adebayor we're talking about so for me, that makes it believable.
I stick to what I said about a month ago when we were first linked with him, he can go and get himself vigorously rammed with the fat end of a champaign bottle.
why is it believable? Does he have a history of refusing to new clubs because he wanted to stay where he was? I would say quite the opposite as he's moved a few times in his career. Like Bren'd says, I'm not overly fussed if he comes or not. I think he'd do well if his head was on straight on a loan deal. But I'm not going to call him a twat based on an article that might not be even close to the truth.
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The transfer window doesn't close for another 3 weeks so let's see what develops with this one.
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The transfer window doesn't close for another 3 weeks so let's see what develops with this one.
A week is a long time in politics. Three weeks is an eternity in a transfer window.
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Excellent news
I don't see how it can possibly be excellent news. You may not like him, but if he was part of Tim's master plan then failing to secure him is not good.
I suspect Tim knows more about the teams needs and his ability to cater for them more than any of us.
While I've been one of the main supporters of getting Adebayor in, I've never liked the "manager knows better than us" line.
Why not just close the forum if that's the case?
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Excellent news
I don't see how it can possibly be excellent news. You may not like him, but if he was part of Tim's master plan then failing to secure him is not good.
I suspect Tim knows more about the teams needs and his ability to cater for them more than any of us.
While I've been one of the main supporters of getting Adebayor in, I've never liked the "manager knows better than us" line.
Why not just close the forum if that's the case?
Yes, because most of us have managed and know him as well.
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I bet he'll end up here before the end of the month....
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I bet he'll end up here before the end of the month....
I think you are right.
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I bet he'll end up here before the end of the month....
Levy will buckle at about 11pm on 31 August.
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I suspect he has another offer from a London based club. West Ham look like likely candidates. They would be most welcome to him.
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If any of this is true about him not wanting to move, well then, he doesn't care about his career as a professional footballer, and he is more concerned about his lifestyle. That is not what Villa needs. We had one of those gobshites a few years ago, his name was Stephen Ireland. We don't need any more flakes to be carried by the club this season. We've a battle to stay up on our hands.
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Either West Ham or Palace to either already be in for him or to come in for him if it's true about not wanting to leave London.
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If any of this is true about him not wanting to move, well then, he doesn't care about his career as a professional footballer, and he is more concerned about his lifestyle. That is not what Villa needs. We had one of those gobshites a few years ago, his name was Stephen Ireland. We don't need any more flakes to be carried by the club this season. We've a battle to stay up on our hands.
Flakes ?
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If he has a home in London i can understand him not wanting to live in Brum but that is where his workplace will be so best he looks for a London club.
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I bet he'll end up here before the end of the month....
Levy will buckle at about 11pm on 31 August.
I think it shuts at 6pm this time.
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If he has a home in London i can understand him not wanting to live in Brum but that is where his workplace will be so best he looks for a London club.
Brentford or fulham , millwall maybe
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If he has a home in London i can understand him not wanting to live in Brum but that is where his workplace will be so best he looks for a London club.
Brentford or fulham , millwall maybe
West ham
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If he has a home in London i can understand him not wanting to live in Brum but that is where his workplace will be so best he looks for a London club.
It looks like that's what he's doing ;)
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If he has a home in London i can understand him not wanting to live in Brum but that is where his workplace will be so best he looks for a London club.
Brentford or fulham , millwall maybe
Palace
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I think West Ham too he just doesn't seem to be a Palace type player for some reason and I think Pardew might see it as too much of a gamble to mess with a pretty settled squad of players.
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A move to West Ham would make sense for both the player and club given their current lack of striking options.
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A move to West Ham would make sense for both the player and club given their current lack of striking options.
It would make sense for us too.
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It'd make sense if he's interested and committed. If not then a massive no thanks. We've already suffered one Stephen Ireland recently, we don't need another.
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Let's hope we have a plan B
From Adebayor to Berbatov?
A plan C will be the return of Carlton Cole.
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A surprise signing wouldn't surprise me. Sadly I'm not expecting Embolo to start stretching the shirt, but something along those lines wouldn't, well, surprise me.
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If he can't face slumming it in Little Aston on £5.2m for a year, we're really best without.
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Sherwood's said it's not happening "at the moment". Not sure if that means the deal is completely off or if it means we might go back again before the end of the month.
Personally, while I wanted him, if it's not sorted by now, regardless of whose fault it is, time to move on and get somebody else. We're clearly lacking numbers up front especially with Robinson having gone out on loan for the season.
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A surprise signing wouldn't surprise me.
So it would just be a signing?
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I wonder if Robinson being sent out on loan is an indicator that maybe we've got someone coming in up front?
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I wonder if Robinson being sent out on loan is an indicator that maybe we've got someone coming in up front?
We are still definitely one short up front
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It'd make sense if he's interested and committed. If not then a massive no thanks. We've already suffered one Stephen Ireland recently, we don't need another.
It would be a loan deal though. Bit of a difference to giving a huge long term contract to Ireland.
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It'd make sense if he's interested and committed. If not then a massive no thanks. We've already suffered one Stephen Ireland recently, we don't need another.
If it's Levy or red tape holding up the situation, that's one thing.
But if it's because he needs wooing, I really don't think we should embarrass ourselves for a player with plenty of question marks hanging over him.
You mentioned the Ireland deal, and -though I wanted it at them time- it was disconcerting that he needed so much time to be convinced. And was probably a sign that he never truly wanted to be at the club.
Hey Villa, leave these flakes alone.
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From Sky Sports Transfer Centre -
Emmanuel Adebayor’s move to Aston Villa is off for now as Tim Sherwood said the player did have talks but an agreement couldn't be found.
Sherwood said the player did have talks but an agreement couldn't be agreed, however, he hasn’t given up hope of getting a deal done with Tottenham
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Sherwood also said that it wasn't just one stumbling block, there were so many he couldn't remember them all.
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Let's hope our forwards start well, even if it's of the more transient sort, just so we don't feel any need to come scrambling back to Adebayor.
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I wonder if Robinson being sent out on loan is an indicator that maybe we've got someone coming in up front?
This, hopefully...
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From the pre match press conference it appears that the sticking point is between the two clubs. Sherwood said that if they feel the need to revisit the deal then they will have to see if the clubs can come to some agreement as there is no agreement at the moment.
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With that many problems it appears they want a fee plus all his wages. Move on and source another striker. We need one.
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It looks as though Villa have made their offer clear and value him at that and no more. Sherwood is willing to walk away if that is not acceptable and that is how it should be.
What we have offered and what Spurs will accept, nobody outside of the clubs seems to know. If it was a loan move, I would think that the only input that Adebayor would have in the matter is where he lives and any expenses attached to living/travel, together with whether he wants to be loaned out. Regarding that last point, I would have thought coming up to the club and talking to us would show some willing.
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laughable really, £5.2 m a year and he still gets travel assistance.
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If true this is window what he is like. Don't touch him, too high maintenance, costly and not actually that good...IMO.
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He really isn't good enough to justify everything he will want, and what Tottenham will want for him.
I would rather we try for Austin if we are this desperate. At least he isn't high maintenance
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Depends what you mean by not that good. Look at the clubs he's played for!!!
But whether he's still at it is a very different question
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He really isn't good enough to justify everything he will want, and what Tottenham will want for him.
I would rather we try for Austin if we are this desperate. At least he isn't high maintenance
Austin will probably cost £15m with another £16m for a 4 year contract. £31m is a lot of money to tie up in one player if he's not the type of player we think we will need in 2 or 3 years time.
We are in a major transformation period and we need a couple of loans to cover the short term.
I would hope that we would only consider Adebayor at around £3-4m for the season with Spurs paying the rest.
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He really isn't good enough to justify everything he will want, and what Tottenham will want for him.
I would rather we try for Austin if we are this desperate. At least he isn't high maintenance
2 completely different players.
Adebeyor is obviously being looked at as the closest to a direct replacement for Benteke we can find.
The only other player in the UK that comes close is Bony, but seeing as he only moved to Man City in January for almost the same money as Benteke that's pretty much a non starter.
If there's someone waiting to be found like Benteke was on the continent or in South America god knows.
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Isn't Embolo Benteke like?
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We'd be putting a lot of faith in gestede and Kozak. I like Kozak but he's not fit to lace benteke's boots. His lack of pace and physical presence is very noticeable. He's a good scorer though. Gestede clearly an unknown quantity at this level as is Ayew
Could work out but I definitely want some proven attacking pedigree if we can get it. It's not like we can rely on clean sheets and nicking goals.
Based on what I've seen of him, Id be stunned if Gestede isnt a success for us. I saw odds quoted yesterday that he is 2/1 to be our top scorer which barring injury he is a cert to be imo. He does lack pace but has everything else and if we get quality balls in to him he will score at will I think. Its why I think we ought to consider Bacuna and Amavi as wing backs to give quality out wide but doesnt look as if that was tried in pre-season.
Gabby and Ayew can play as the central striker too and we have lots of options now for the supporting striker roles. Kozak pre-injury did get a few goals but aside from that his hold up play, mobility and pretty much everything else was not up to scratch. He is more of a penalty box type forward and a sub or cup option for us at best I think.
The budget that Adebayor was/is going to consume would be far better off bringing in a top quality attacking right back (e.g. Walker) or left sided centre midfielder (e.g. Dembele).
Despite the fact that our best players for the last few years (Vlaar, Delph, Benteke even Cleverley to a degree) have all left, I think we look a much better balanced squad this term. The league is going to be much stronger this season but I think a top 10 position is achievable with the players we now have.
The long overdue squad gutting has been done pretty much and fair play to Sherwood for doing that. My only real concern now is the amount of faith he has placed in Micah Richards to be our captain and right sided centre back, I think that faith is misplaced but everything else I have no problems with. Gestede for 6m could be the buy of the season imo and really looking forward to seeing Amavi, Veretout, Gueye and Ayew in action.
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We'd be putting a lot of faith in gestede and Kozak. I like Kozak but he's not fit to lace benteke's boots. His lack of pace and physical presence is very noticeable. He's a good scorer though. Gestede clearly an unknown quantity at this level as is Ayew
Could work out but I definitely want some proven attacking pedigree if we can get it. It's not like we can rely on clean sheets and nicking goals.
Based on what I've seen of him, Id be stunned if Gestede isnt a success for us. I saw odds quoted yesterday that he is 2/1 to be our top scorer which barring injury he is a cert to be imo. He does lack pace but has everything else and if we get quality balls in to him he will score at will I think. Its why I think we ought to consider Bacuna and Amavi as wing backs to give quality out wide but doesnt look as if that was tried in pre-season.
Gabby and Ayew can play as the central striker too and we have lots of options now for the supporting striker roles. Kozak pre-injury did get a few goals but aside from that his hold up play, mobility and pretty much everything else was not up to scratch. He is more of a penalty box type forward and a sub or cup option for us at best I think.
The budget that Adebayor was/is going to consume would be far better off bringing in a top quality attacking right back (e.g. Walker) or left sided centre midfielder (e.g. Dembele).
Despite the fact that our best players for the last few years (Vlaar, Delph, Benteke even Cleverley to a degree) have all left, I think we look a much better balanced squad this term. The league is going to be much stronger this season but I think a top 10 position is achievable with the players we now have.
The long overdue squad gutting has been done pretty much and fair play to Sherwood for doing that. My only real concern now is the amount of faith he has placed in Micah Richards to be our captain and right sided centre back, I think that faith is misplaced but everything else I have no problems with. Gestede for 6m could be the buy of the season imo and really looking forward to seeing Amavi, Veretout, Gueye and Ayew in action.
Good post. Although I would say by not having a quality right back, it gives us the option of moving Richards to right back if that faith proved to be unfounded (though I think it will). There was talk about Holgate, who might have been one for the future but that doesn't seem to have come to anything.
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I agree on Gestede, he looks made for the premier league, I think he is a good bet for 12-15 goals this season I really do. Big, powerful and seems to get in there where it hurts.
Kozak I am not sure about after 18 months out, but he does look capable of being in the right place at the right time to score. If we could get another forward that could add goals to the squad I would be happier, Adebayor would be a good signing if he wants it, but all points to more trouble before he has even arrived. I hope we are looking elsewhere in a similar vein to the others we have signed this summer.
I do like Aaron Lennon as a possible signing though, I said a lot last season that unless Gabby was in then we are too slow at times, Lennon is quick and would give us that dimension, and was good at Everton last season on loan. For the right money I think he would be decent enough.
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I'd be amazed if another striker didn't come in given we've allowed Robinson to leave.
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Honestly think there'll be a few more out/in before the window shuts. Happy with our business so far and think we could be a bit of a surprise package this season. Obviously there is a danger with all the new signings that we may struggle again this season, but I'm optimistic and backing us to surprise a few people with our results.
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I agree on Gestede, he looks made for the premier league, I think he is a good bet for 12-15 goals this season I really do. Big, powerful and seems to get in there where it hurts.
I do like Aaron Lennon as a possible signing though, I said a lot last season that unless Gabby was in then we are too slow at times, Lennon is quick and would give us that dimension, and was good at Everton last season on loan. For the right money I think he would be decent enough.
I agree on both these points, but with regard to the latter, that's why I would be quite happy should Andros Townsend arrive.
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I think the problem with Lennon would also be Levy wanting too much + a question of wages. I just don't really think playing brinkmanship with Levy is worth it
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I think Levy thinks he has Tim Sherwood in his pocket. I imagine he has been rather surprised at the hard line he and Fox have taken. I also imagine Levy thought the Benteke money would go the same way as the Bale money. Pissed up in the air.
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In my humble, Lennon is definitely not worth it.
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I like the cut of your jib, dave shelley
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In all honesty, I quite like Adebayor as a player. If fit, he'd be a very good striker for us. I trust Sherwood's judgement, though. Lennon would be better than Bacuna as a winger, for example.
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In all honesty, I quite like Adebayor as a player. If fit, he'd be a very good striker for us. I trust Sherwood's judgement, though. Lennon would be better than Bacuna as a winger, for example.
Well it appears that Adebayor wants to cruise up the M40 daily, turn up for training at around 10AM and then get back to his palatial residence as soon as possible thereafter. Tim Sherwood wants them ready for training at 9AM sharp. In the past (as Roy Keane confirmed) certain players
were somewhat lax about timekeeping. Well boys the times they are a changing!
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Tedious links to this Tottenham trio are getting boring very fast. Adebayor, Lennon and Townsend simply aren't worth the hassle haggling over when the scouting team have already proved this summer that we can find better quality and value elsewhere.
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Tedious links to this Tottenham trio are getting boring very fast. Adebayor, Lennon and Townsend simply aren't worth the hassle haggling over when the scouting team have already proved this summer that we can find better quality and value elsewhere.
go to the top of the class, young man.
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Every time I hear Lennon's name mentioned I think of those photos of him signing for Everton
http://metro.co.uk/2015/02/03/aaron-lennon-looks-gutted-in-official-photoshoot-after-completing-everton-transfer-from-tottenham-5047572/
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That's pretty funny. It kind of reminds me of when N'Zogbia signed for us, but that of course was less funny. At least Lennon played quite well for Everton.
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http://www.avfc.co.uk/javaImages/c5/26/0,,10265~9840325,00.jpg
Are you displeased to see us or is that a bad case of wind?
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Every time I see an underwhelmed looking "just signed" player, I always think of the look on Anelka's face when he joined the Stripeys
This picture was tweeted at the time by someone with this brilliant description: "An ecstatic Nicolas Anelka, holding the WBA shirt like it's a dead pigeon covered in sick."
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BOVzZOACUAAGGSq.jpg)
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Great new player photos 😂
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Every time I see an underwhelmed looking "just signed" player, I always think of the look on Anelka's face when he joined the Stripeys
This picture was tweeted at the time by someone with this brilliant description: "An ecstatic Nicolas Anelka, holding the WBA shirt like it's a dead pigeon covered in sick."
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BOVzZOACUAAGGSq.jpg)
Oh, that has made me laugh on a grey old morning in Chichester, thank you Paulie!
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I will be just glad when the f....ing window closes and I don't have to read any more speculation about signings.
The season has started it should have closed last Friday.
Utterly ridiculous.
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Every time I see an underwhelmed looking "just signed" player, I always think of the look on Anelka's face when he joined the Stripeys
This picture was tweeted at the time by someone with this brilliant description: "An ecstatic Nicolas Anelka, holding the WBA shirt like it's a dead pigeon covered in sick."
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BOVzZOACUAAGGSq.jpg)
That's not stretching the shirt, that's dangling it.
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None of them will beat Frimpong's (doorbell) expression when holding a Barnsley shirt. There's a guy who realises his big time is well and truly over.
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People like to complain about AVTV, but this is actually what West Brom put out when they signed Anelka:
Love the music
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Tedious links to this Tottenham trio are getting boring very fast. Adebayor, Lennon and Townsend simply aren't worth the hassle haggling over when the scouting team have already proved this summer that we can find better quality and value elsewhere.
£5 million for the lot or a pox on their house.
Kyle Walker at Tottingham is the only player of theirs that would interest me.
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presumably Adebayor will employ someone to stretch the shirt if he joins, or maybe delegate the duty to his driver whilst he tries to look cheerful beneath one of Bob Marley's hats
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presumably Adebayor will employ someone to stretch the shirt if he joins, or maybe delegate the duty to his driver whilst he tries to look cheerful beneath one of Bob Marley's hats
I's take Harry Kane from them and Lloris for that matter :-)
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And Vertonghen.
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I meant players that are even vaguely realistic (and I admit Walker is stretching it).
We wouldn't be in the running for either Lloris Or Vertonghen unless about 40 top flight clubs from across Europe suddenly went bust.
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Just to reiterate what I posted in the transfers thread. My man at where the medicals take place said that he has missed two planned appointments for a medical. No info on why.
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Just to reiterate what I posted in the transfers thread. My man at where the medicals take place said that he has missed two planned appointments for a medical. No info on why.
Embarrassing underwear?
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I'm thinking it's not happening
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something that caught my attention over at VT was that someone who works at Little Aston Hospital said he was booked in twice for a medical and didn't turn up
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something that caught my attention over at VT was that someone who works at Little Aston Hospital said he was booked in twice for a medical and didn't turn up
But it didn't catch your attention when edgysatsuma posted it here first, three posts above yours? ;)
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something that caught my attention over at VT was that someone who works at Little Aston Hospital said he was booked in twice for a medical and didn't turn up
But it didn't catch your attention when edgysatsuma posted it here first, three posts above yours? ;)
oh dear!
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something that caught my attention over at VT was that someone who works at Little Aston Hospital said he was booked in twice for a medical and didn't turn up
But it didn't catch your attention when edgysatsuma posted it here first, three posts above yours? ;)
oh dear!
to be fair it's easy to gloss over posts on here..its usually terrible pun after terrible pun
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I will be just glad when the f....ing window closes and I don't have to read any more speculation about signings.
The season has started it should have closed last Friday.
Utterly ridiculous.
It doesn't stop, you will get 'who does your club need in January' within days.
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Still think we could do with another experienced striker this season while everyone else settles in. With that in mind, a one year loan deal would be a good move and although I doubt he would have come, Dzeko would have been ideal.
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Still think we could do with another experienced striker this season while everyone else settles in. With that in mind, a one year loan deal would be a good move and although I doubt he would have come, Dzeko would have been ideal.
As would have Jovetic.
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Can people back off on the sarcasm please? if I'd seen Edgy's post on the medical thing is it likely I would repeat it? Sometimes work intervenes and one simply doesn't have time to backtrack through pages of off topic shite.
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Can people back off on the sarcasm please? if I'd seen Edgy's post on the medical thing is it likely I would repeat it? Sometimes work intervenes and one simply doesn't have time to backtrack through pages of off topic shite.
Don't take it too seriously.
You know what it's like here. Just people taking the piss.
EDIT although, having just seen Dave's post, it was about four inches above your post, assuming a relatively standard sized monitor rather than pages back
EDIT EDIT but don't take that too seriously, either, that's just piss taking too.
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I get proper pissed off when people repeat what I've posted earlier in the thread. I know I shouldn't, but I do.
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I get proper pissed off when people repeat what I've posted earlier in the thread. I know I shouldn't, but I do.
I just went back about 20 pages looking for a post from you on this thread, just so I could post it word for word here, to annoy you.
But I couldn't find anything, so just imagine it here:
*here*
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I get proper pissed off when people repeat what I've posted earlier in the thread. I know I shouldn't, but I do.
I just wish there were other people who felt the same
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I get proper pissed off when people repeat what I've posted earlier in the thread. I know I shouldn't, but I do.
It's still not as bad as someone repeating what you've said and then someone quoting the repeater and saying "very good point". And then the quote-fest that follows.
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Still think we could do with another experienced striker this season while everyone else settles in. With that in mind, a one year loan deal would be a good move and although I doubt he would have come, Dzeko would have been ideal.
As would have Jovetic.
He's similar to what we have at the moment in that he is young and pretty unproven.
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It annoys me when people post something which makes a point I've made a few pages previously. Anyone else agree?
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I get proper pissed off when people repeat what I've posted earlier in the thread. I know I shouldn't, but I do.
It's still not as bad as someone repeating what you've said and then someone quoting the repeater and saying "very good point". And then the quote-fest that follows.
Yes, that's the killer.
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If someone was privy to when these medicals were booked in, wouldn't they have come forwards with genuine ITK on other transfers too?
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I get proper pissed off when people repeat what I've posted earlier in the thread. I know I shouldn't, but I do.
It's still not as bad as someone repeating what you've said and then someone quoting the repeater and saying "very good point". And then the quote-fest that follows.
Very good point
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I get proper pissed off when people repeat what I've posted earlier in the thread. I know I shouldn't, but I do.
It's still not as bad as someone repeating what you've said and then someone quoting the repeater and saying "very good point". And then the quote-fest that follows.
Very good point
This. Fact
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I get proper pissed off when people repeat what I've posted earlier in the thread. I know I shouldn't, but I do.
It's still not as bad as someone repeating what you've said and then someone quoting the repeater and saying "very good point". And then the quote-fest that follows.
Very good point
This. Fact
I agree with the 3rd and 4th post and I like the first and second. Miss Congeniality is my name! In fact I am going to quote leeB's post later today.
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I get proper pissed off when people repeat what I've posted earlier in the thread. I know I shouldn't, but I do.
It's still not as bad as someone repeating what you've said and then someone quoting the repeater and saying "very good point". And then the quote-fest that follows.
Very good point
This. Fact
QFE
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I get proper pissed off when people repeat what I've posted earlier in the thread. I know I shouldn't, but I do.
It's still not as bad as someone repeating what you've said and then someone quoting the repeater and saying "very good point". And then the quote-fest that follows.
Very good point
This. Fact
QFE
Quote fest! Quote fest! Quote fest! Quote fest!
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I get proper pissed off when people repeat what I've posted earlier in the thread. I know I shouldn't, but I do.
It's still not as bad as someone repeating what you've said and then someone quoting the repeater and saying "very good point". And then the quote-fest that follows.
Good point.
Sorry, if I've missed anybody making this point.
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I get proper pissed off when people repeat what I've posted earlier in the thread. I know I shouldn't, but I do.
It's still not as bad as someone repeating what you've said and then someone quoting the repeater and saying "very good point". And then the quote-fest that follows.
Very good point
This. Fact
QFE
Quote fest! Quote fest! Quote fest! Quote fest!
^ ^ ^
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No quote fest can be considered complete until someone screws up posting and puts about 3 copies of it in the post and types their reply somewhere in the middle.
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No quote fest can be considered complete until someone screws up posting and puts about 3 copies of it in the post and types their reply somewhere in the middle.
eastie used to be responsible for some of the most ridiculous quote fests, I gave up reading on my phone once they started.
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I'm not really prepared to reveal my sources, but I heard that Adebayor has missed two planned appointments for a medical. No reason why. Very good point.
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I'm not really prepared to reveal my sources, but I heard that Adebayor has missed two planned appointments for a medical. No reason why. Very good point.
at our GP's surgery, if you missed two appointments the receptionist would come round, force entry into your home and break both your legs
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Emmanuel
Bit of a girl's name that, surely?
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Emmanuel
Bit of a girl's name that, surely?
Think it means 'God with us'
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Emmanuel
Bit of a girl's name that, surely?
And the title of an "Art" film
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I'm not really prepared to reveal my sources, but I heard that Adebayor has missed two planned appointments for a medical. No reason why. Very good point.
at our GP's surgery, if you missed two appointments the receptionist would come round, force entry into your home and break both your legs
Don't come running to me about it.
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If someone was privy to when these medicals were booked in, wouldn't they have come forwards with genuine ITK on other transfers too?
Yes, edgysatsuma's brother's mate needs to up his game.
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Emmanuel
Bit of a girl's name that, surely?
And the title of an "Art" film
Ding dong.
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Emmanuel
Bit of a girl's name that, surely?
And the title of an "Art" film
Ding dong.
King Dong?
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Emmanuel
Bit of a girl's name that, surely?
And the title of an "Art" film
Ding dong.
King Dong?
Sorry, someone at the door.
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Emmanuel
Bit of a girl's name that, surely?
And the title of an "Art" film
Ding dong.
King Dong?
He could tie a knot in it. A Grannie admittedly...
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I'm not really prepared to reveal my sources, but I heard that Adebayor has missed two planned appointments for a medical. No reason why. Very good point.
at our GP's surgery, if you missed two appointments the receptionist would come round, force entry into your home and break both your legs
You could sue them for that but surely after missing those appointments you don't have a leg to stand on.
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I get proper pissed off when people repeat what I've posted earlier in the thread. I know I shouldn't, but I do.
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I get proper pissed off when people repeat what I've posted earlier in the thread. I know I shouldn't, but I do.
Bears repeating.
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I get proper pissed off when people repeat what I've posted earlier in the thread. I know I shouldn't, but I do.
Bears repeating.
You Bears!
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I get proper pissed off when people repeat what I've posted earlier in the thread. I know I shouldn't, but I do.
Bears repeating.
No problem.
(http://www.ocdtypes.com/graphics/repeating_bears.jpg)
Sorry.
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Ha!
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If someone was privy to when these medicals were booked in, wouldn't they have come forwards with genuine ITK on other transfers too?
Yes, edgysatsuma's brother's mate needs to up his game.
Yeah sorry lads. It wasn't actually something I was aware of until recently. He's the mate of my non footballing loving brother so he doesn't give much a fuck about talking all things Villa. Also doesn't bump into him as often.
By the way, how dare anyone gloss over my posts? They are full of wisdom*.
*not true. I am a c**t.
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I get proper pissed off when people repeat what I've posted earlier in the thread. I know I shouldn't, but I do.
Bears repeating.
That's a really good point. Thanks both.