Jordan Ayew - sold to Swansea

[adrenachrome]

I would take an ex pros opinion far more than any others.

Really?

I think the majority of ex pros are prone to cliche and having an agenda based on loyalty to former clubs, team mates or managers. I find most of them have a surprising lack of knowledge of the game on the whole.

Savage is the worst of the lot with his gushing praise and man love for Mark Hughes. In staggered that Danny Mills is still used by 5 Live, isn't he supposed to be saving english football with Greg Dyke?

I thought that was Tereasa May for a moment. There is something of the night about him/her.

[Dave]

I would have thought my first sentence following on previous posts by others was a clue to my meaning 'after two games' and my references to the club was meant to say they have watched him more than this, talked to him and others and seen something in him to warrant buying him.

That's fine, but that's still no different to them watching, talking to and seeing something in Tonev and Harewood to warrant buying them. Just because they are doing it doesn't make it right, just like it didn't when we bought failures before.

That doesn't mean that Ayew is going to be a failure, and it would be ridiculous to judge him as such after two matches - but nor are other peoples opinions rendered irrelevant just because they're not professional scouts or football managers.

Every transfer is a gamble.  Even the best players can fail if they do not fit in.

As they say, opinions are like a********, everybody has one.  Go back and read my original post and the 2nd sentence "I think I will go with ..."

That's fine, you're welcome to hold that opinion. I don't see how reading it again is going to change that. I don't think that anything has been missed or overlooked.

But if other people want to hold an opinion that stretches beyond "the manager knows better than you lot", then that should be respected as well.

[old man villa fan]

I would have thought my first sentence following on previous posts by others was a clue to my meaning 'after two games' and my references to the club was meant to say they have watched him more than this, talked to him and others and seen something in him to warrant buying him.

That's fine, but that's still no different to them watching, talking to and seeing something in Tonev and Harewood to warrant buying them. Just because they are doing it doesn't make it right, just like it didn't when we bought failures before.

That doesn't mean that Ayew is going to be a failure, and it would be ridiculous to judge him as such after two matches - but nor are other peoples opinions rendered irrelevant just because they're not professional scouts or football managers.

Every transfer is a gamble.  Even the best players can fail if they do not fit in.

As they say, opinions are like a********, everybody has one.  Go back and read my original post and the 2nd sentence "I think I will go with ..."

That's fine, you're welcome to hold that opinion.

But if other people want to hold an opinion that stretches beyond "the manager knows better than you lot", then that's fine as well.

I am not the one arguing against/commenting about others opinions.  My original post was to give my opinion relating to the player and the amount of time to make a judgement, with no comment about anybody else's opinion.  My further comments have been about people taking my first post and commenting out of context (or so I thought).

I never said "the manager knows better than you lot" unless you want to spin my words to make it sound that way.

I suppose you will reply as you will want to get the last word on the matter.  If you do, you will because this is the last I am going to say on this matter.

[edgysatsuma89]

What do I win?

A signed Jordan Ayew jock strap

He's only worn it twice and even that's shit.

[pauliewalnuts]

I am not the one arguing against/commenting about others opinions. My original post was to give my opinion relating to the player and the amount of time to make a judgement, with no comment about anybody else's opinion. 

That's not the way it looked.

I sometimes wonder whether some poster just want to sound 'clever' with their comments or are just arrogant with their put down of others.  There seem to be very few that use sarcasm that can go the whole nine yards in an Oscar Wilde way.

[Dave]

I am not the one arguing against/commenting about others opinions.  My original post was to give my opinion relating to the player and the amount of time to make a judgement, with no comment about anybody else's opinion.  My further comments have been about people taking my first post and commenting out of context (or so I thought).

I never said "the manager knows better than you lot" unless you want to spin my words to make it sound that way.

I suppose you will reply as you will want to get the last word on the matter.  If you do, you will because this is the last I am going to say on this matter.

I know, I'm such a terrible person replying to somebody's posts on a message board.

But whether you want to respond or not, I'm sure you can see that if you say:

I think I will go with the judgement of the scouts and manager.  Not many had heard about him a month ago, let alone seen him play and now they are an expert on him.

Then you can probably see why people think you are suggesting that the manager should just be trusted over any opinions of the player on here.

[cdbearsfan]

I've never really liked the argument "managers know best", which is often coupled with "you wouldn't know if you haven't played the game".

I never hear the same logic elsewhere, in all the rows we've ever had on here about politics I've yet to see anyone state "well, if you've not been a Cabinet Minister, you shouldn't really comment" or argue that "you can't say boy bands are shit unless you're Simon Cowell".

[pauliewalnuts]

I've never really liked the argument "managers know best", which is often coupled with "you wouldn't know if you haven't played the game".

I never hear the same logic elsewhere, in all the rows we've ever had on here about politics I've yet to see anyone state "well, if you've not been a Cabinet Minister, you shouldn't really comment" or argue that "you can't say boy bands are shit unless you're Simon Cowell".

"I think I'll take Bono's opinion of the latest U2 album rather than that of a load of know-nothing internet fantasists who have never even fronted a bombastic stadium rock four-some"

[LeeB]

I've never really liked the argument "managers know best", which is often coupled with "you wouldn't know if you haven't played the game".

I never hear the same logic elsewhere, in all the rows we've ever had on here about politics I've yet to see anyone state "well, if you've not been a Cabinet Minister, you shouldn't really comment" or argue that "you can't say boy bands are shit unless you're Simon Cowell".

"I think I'll take Bono's opinion of the latest U2 album rather than that of a load of know-nothing internet fantasists who have never even fronted a bombastic stadium rock four-some"

I may as well, I'm never going to fucking listen to it.

[cdbearsfan]

Ha!

I wonder if we need to invent some form of Godwin's Law on the basis that any thread on H&V will, eventually, end up with us slagging off Bono (usually my fault).

We could call it Twatwearingsunglasseswhothinkshesgodwin's Law.

[Louzie0]

Well you know that would work, as long as there was the opposite.




I.e. Bono is brill.

Sorry, just positing. Not believing.
Ever. Even just a little bit.
Gosh.

[Villa in Denmark]

What do I win?

A signed Jordan Ayew jock strap

He's only worn it twice and even that's shit.

Bloody hell, if he can't even get his jock strap on the right way round..........

[Brazilian Villain]

And in other important news

http://ghanasoccernet.com/scandal-acquahs-wife-describes-midfielder-monkey-claims-jordans-dick-bigger/

Jordan Ayew, Ayew
He's bigger than me or you
He's gonna shag one or two
Jordan Ayew, Ayew

[The Left Side]

Oh Matron

[PeterWithesShin]

Despite his form being up and down, he'll come good.