Jordan Ayew - sold to Swansea

[SoccerHQ]

I can see where Shill is coming on this one...some players you see for the first time and instantly think they'll be good 'uns....Gueye at Walsall, Amavi and also Gestede.

Being honest there's something about Ayew that I just don't think he'll fit in this league.

It's like Tonev coming on v Liverpool for his debut and instantly shooting 40 yard free kicks into Row F of the Holte End...well he didn't improve with time.

[Villafirst]

It's an opinion, in the same way Ive said I think Richards and Amavi look great signings. Think I've said the same about Gueye.

But it's the way you phrase it that makes people laugh/pisses people off (delete as appropriate)

You said "he looks like a poor signing" which, regardless of how many caveats you apply afterwards about should be given time etc. comes across as unremittingly negative and dismissive.

If you'd said something along the lines of
"He hasn't shown too much from what I've seen but it's still early days so hopefully he'll come good", it's expressing pretty much the same sentiment, but without the overriding sense of "we're all doomed" you frequently convey and avoiding the apparent disconnect between your two statements.

Totally agree. 2 games in is nothing. He needs to build an understanding with the others. A lack of a proper pre - season is the biggest factor. Steve Froggatt rates him and believes there is a lot more to come. I would take an ex pros opinion far more than any others.

[Dave]

I would take an ex pros opinion far more than any others.

Really?

[Tayls_7]

I would take an ex pros opinion far more than any others.

Really?

Lightning from Gladiators has let herself go hasn't she?

[ez]

With 9 players coming in the odds are that at least 1 won't work out. All managers make bad signings.

[PaulWinch again]

I would take an ex pros opinion far more than any others.

Really?

I think the majority of ex pros are prone to cliche and having an agenda based on loyalty to former clubs, team mates or managers. I find most of them have a surprising lack of knowledge of the game on the whole.

[Ron Manager]

I would take an ex pros opinion far more than any others.

Really?

Certainly Garry Neville and Jamie Carragher are loathe to say anything too bad about the clubs where they spent their best years. Either on screen or in print.

I think the majority of ex pros are prone to cliche and having an agenda based on loyalty to former clubs, team mates or managers. I find most of them have a surprising lack of knowledge of the game on the whole.

[Monty]

Would you trust a horse to tell you how to be a good jockey?

[Legion]

Mister Ed.

[silhillvilla]

With 9 players coming in the odds are that at least 1 won't work out. All managers make bad signings.

I think we can safely say already Amavi, Richards and Gueye will be very good signings

[LeeB]

Would you trust a horse to tell you how to be a good jockey?

Neigh.

[old man villa fan]

People very quick to judge based on their knowledge of the game.  I think I will go with the judgement of the scouts and manager.  Not many had heard about him a month ago, let alone seen him play and now they are an expert on him.

I will reserve judgement until the end of the season.

Blimey, do we now need to fully explain ourselves in our posts so that others do not take them out of context.

I would have thought my first sentence following on previous posts by others was a clue to my meaning 'after two games' and my references to the club was meant to say they have watched him more than this, talked to him and others and seen something in him to warrant buying him.

To then get sarcastic replies listing 'failures' as a reason not to go with scouts opinions and, also, 'fans deep knowledge of the game should not be dismissed as it may be a better judge of a player' may just be 'playing devil's advocate' by some or more blatant dissing by others.

I sometimes wonder whether some poster just want to sound 'clever' with their comments or are just arrogant with their put down of others.  There seem to be very few that use sarcasm that can go the whole nine yards in an Oscar Wilde way.

Right, who is going to be the first to respond with "this is a fans forum and everybody is entitled to an opinion".

[Legion]

this is a fans forum and everybody is entitled to an opinion

[Legion]

What do I win?

[silhillvilla]

What do I win?

A signed Jordan Ayew jock strap