Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions

[peter w]

Can't believe we are allowing them to pay for Benteke in installments, we are just far too nice a club.
We'll probably gift wrap him with a big fucking bow for them aswell.
We need the cash all of it for replacements.

All transfers are done this way.

No they aren't. Andy Carroll, Newcastle made the bin dippers pay up front, all of it.

Really? Are you sure? They used the money from the sale of Torres to Chelsea who spread that £50m fee over a 5 year period.

[silhillvilla]

Can't believe we are allowing them to pay for Benteke in installments, we are just far too nice a club.
We'll probably gift wrap him with a big fucking bow for them aswell.
We need the cash all of it for replacements.

All transfers are done this way.

No they aren't. Andy Carroll, Newcastle made the bin dippers pay up front, all of it.

Really? Are you sure? They used the money from the sale of Torres to Chelsea who spread that £50m fee over a 5 year period.

Yes all £36m up front, even charged some interest on that as the money was a few hours late.

[Villa in Denmark]

Can't believe we are allowing them to pay for Benteke in installments, we are just far too nice a club.
We'll probably gift wrap him with a big fucking bow for them aswell.
We need the cash all of it for replacements.

All transfers are done this way.

No they aren't. Andy Carroll, Newcastle made the bin dippers pay up front, all of it.

And how many others have been?
We have no idea what was stipulated in Carroll's contract, how much of the pay up front was driven by something like to avoid an extra £10M on the transfer fee as a guessed example (and nor should we)
We have no idea what is stipulated in Benteke's release clause. Half up front and the rest over X years might actually be a result if standard practice is say 25% up front and the rest over X years.
Basically we don't know any of the fine detail that would allow an informed evaluation of whether we've been royally screwed, or have screwed the best deal that we could have reasonably expected (or even exceeded those expectations) within the constraints of the contract.

What isn't reasonable is to assume that IF we only end up with 50% up front, that that should negatively effect Sherwood's budget, when the instalments is what would be used for all significant transfer amounts, including our purchases.
Someone like Risso or Ad@m would better explain it, but I'm sure that within our accounts there are accruals for future liabilities (transfer fee instalments still to be paid) and the equivalent entries (expected future income?) for transfer fees expected to be received.

As the good book said to Ford.  Don't Panic!

[aj2k77]

Can't believe we are allowing them to pay for Benteke in installments, we are just far too nice a club.
We'll probably gift wrap him with a big fucking bow for them aswell.
We need the cash all of it for replacements.

All transfers are done this way.

No they aren't. Andy Carroll, Newcastle made the bin dippers pay up front, all of it.

Really? Are you sure? They used the money from the sale of Torres to Chelsea who spread that £50m fee over a 5 year period.

Yes all £36m up front, even charged some interest on that as the money was a few hours late.

Where did you read that? The only thing I've seen about Carroll's fee was when he was signing for West Ham and Newcastle hadn't been paid the last of their instalments from the deal yet.

[silhillvilla]

Telegraph

the telephone down on Liverpool when they offered £30m and later insisted that the full £35m fee be paid in one instalment as Newcastle exploited Liverpool's desperation to sign a replacement for Fernando Torres, who leaving for Chelsea.

[OCD]

Glad to see that the lack of transfer activity isn't resulting in totally pointless discussions.

[peter w]

Telegraph

the telephone down on Liverpool when they offered £30m and later insisted that the full £35m fee be paid in one instalment as Newcastle exploited Liverpool's desperation to sign a replacement for Fernando Torres, who leaving for Chelsea.

Wonderfully written piece. Must be true then.

Not sure I believe it though.

[dave.woodhall]

Ok, most transfer fees are spread over the length of contract.

We are over a barrel, he has a release fee and we don't want it dragging on too long. Lets just get it done and move on

You're being far too sensible. Have you thought about a transfer?

[Villa in Denmark]

Telegraph

the telephone down on Liverpool when they offered £30m and later insisted that the full £35m fee be paid in one instalment as Newcastle exploited Liverpool's desperation to sign a replacement for Fernando Torres, who leaving for Chelsea.

Wonderfully written piece. Must be true then.

Not sure I believe it though.

With typos like that, it must have been the Guardian, surely?

[silhillvilla]

Llambias explained: "It is about control. We had the control. We knew the Torres deal was there. We drew that f****** deal, perhaps the ultimate. So £30m? F*** off! Don't waste my time and I slammed the phone down.

"£35m? Everybody including Pardew [manager Alan Pardew] all agreed. But the £35m they wanted to pay over four years. It was rubbish. Mike (Ashley) said - and he is a brave boy Mike I promise you - get all the £35m up front. We got it all up front and then they never paid us on time and we charged them 12 grand f****** interest."

[OCD]

It was the last day of the January window, Liverpool had sold their key striker and approached Newcastle right at the last minute. They really did have them over a barrel so it's not surprising that they could structure the deal as they chose. Carroll also didn't have a release clause.

That transfer isn't an example of how deals are normally done and just because there's one precedent doesn't mean we're in a position to be doing that (perhaps in the same scenario). We'll make deals the same way so we're probably quite happy with the way it's done.

[RussellC]

Some clubs actually prefer to receive staggered payments, for accounting/tax purposes. Albion loaning Curtis Davies to us for a season prior to charging £10m being an example.

[Des Little]

Let's just sell the fcuker and get moving in the market. All This waiting is doing my crust in.

[OCD]

Let's just sell the fcuker and get moving in the market. All This waiting is doing my crust in.

Yep.

[RussellC]

Getting back to incoming transfers...

Tonight's game highlighted 3 things to me;

1) That was our first-choice back 4 and needs improving. I'd still be looking for a right-back (Byram if Holgate has gone to Utd?) and another Centre-Back (Milosevic from the Swedish U21 side) thus moving Richards to right-back. I also wouldn't be thinking about moving Senderos on at this stage.
2) Westwood and Gardner will not take us up the league. I'd be looking to bring in Cambiasso (and perhaps Tom Carroll as a longer-term option) but based on the 2 pre-season games thus far I'd be looking at Riccardo Calder as the next one from the production line to integrate into the first-team. That or loan-out to a Championship club.
3) Steer's still very raw. Needs another loan, with Bunn as Guzan's back-up.