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Title: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: adrenachrome on April 27, 2015, 05:14:47 PM

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Isa ‏@issassin 21m21 minutes ago

L'Equipe: Bakary Sako is in advanced talks with Aston Villa. He has recently declined offers from the Middle East.

Sako vers Aston Villa (http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Actualites/Sako-vers-aston-villa/554356#xtor=CS1-12?xtref=http://t.co/eUlVb4wt6c&)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LukeJames on April 27, 2015, 05:17:37 PM

I'm not convinced by Sako, my Wolves mates love him but he was gash for Fulham in the premier league, I think he's at his level with Wolves.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Legion on April 27, 2015, 05:21:49 PM

He blows hot and cold. A poor-mans Dalian Atkinson if you must. Moments of brilliance then totally frustrating, according to my Wolves supporting HT.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on April 27, 2015, 05:49:01 PM

Seems this is more appropriate than forming part of the Man City post-match thread.

For what it's worth, I can't imagine too many new players will be commiting themselves to us until we know for sure which division we're playing in.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on April 27, 2015, 05:57:33 PM

Quote from: LukeJames on April 27, 2015, 05:17:37 PM

I'm not convinced by Sako, my Wolves mates love him but he was gash for Fulham in the premier league, I think he's at his level with Wolves.

When did he play for Fulham then?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LukeJames on April 27, 2015, 06:00:19 PM

So according to Wikipedia he never played for Fulham, I have no idea who I'm thinking of then.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on April 27, 2015, 06:04:34 PM

I heard Benteke is joining Liverpool/Man City/Chelsea/PSG/Real Madrid/etc etc etc.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on April 27, 2015, 06:16:06 PM

Yep he's off for as much as £25m too, Bony/Lukaku all cost more yet they think that'll do it ::)

I can see a big offer coming for him though probably from Manure to replace injury prone rvp.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on April 27, 2015, 06:19:31 PM

Somebody I reckon is nailed on is Tom Carroll - on loan at Swansea, a year left on his Spurs contract and described by Sherwood variously while he was there as "the missing piece in Tottenham's midfield" "good enough to play for Barcelona" and "the player to replace Luka Modric".

Apparently Swansea were quoted £5m in January, so you'd think him to come in for £3-4m, particularly if we don't sign Cleverley.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Londonvilla on April 27, 2015, 06:47:34 PM

Aston Villa ‘leading race to secure free transfer of Manchester City star Micah Richards’

http://metro.co.uk/2015/04/26/aston-villa-leading-race-to-secure-free-transfer-of-manchester-city-star-micah-richards-5167463/

 Aston Villa are leading the race to secure the free transfer of Manchester City’s Micah Richards when his contract expires in June – but face a major battle with four other Premier League sides.

The Villans are keen to bolster their squad next season as they look to grow under Tim Sherwood and have identified Richards as one of their top targets, according to London 24.

The England international, 26, has been loaned out to Fiorentina this season but Everton, Stoke, West Ham and Southampton are all eyeing a move for him.

Villa are the favourites to land him but they know they will have to move soon if they are to secure a deal.


Yes please ;D

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Londonvilla on April 27, 2015, 06:50:24 PM

Arsenal set to miss out on Tom Cleverley free transfer as Aston Villa line up move


http://metro.co.uk/2015/04/25/arsenal-set-to-miss-out-on-tom-cleverley-free-transfer-as-aston-villa-line-up-move-5166822/

Arsenal are reportedly set to miss out on the free transfer of Tom Cleverley after Tim Sherwood announced his intention to seal a deal for the England international.

Arsene Wenger was thought to have been looking at a deal for the midfielder but the Villa boss has outlined his plans to keep him at Villa Park.

‘I’ve been pleased with Tom, I really like him and like what he adds to the side. He adds a lot of energy, gets back round goalside, links the ball very well,’ Sherwood told Sky Sports.

‘He Is certainly one of the names I put on the team-sheet straight away. We’re certainly interested in talking to Tom, when the time is right.

‘I think there is a good chance we will try and do a deal if it’s right for both parties.’

He may not stay with us but he is not going to the ass

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LukeJames on April 27, 2015, 06:50:30 PM

Local lad, was the next big thing a few years back, still a good player, I'd take him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Londonvilla on April 27, 2015, 06:54:37 PM

Scott Sinclair wants permanent Aston Villa transfer from Manchester City

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/apr/21/scott-sinclair-permanent-aston-villa-transfer-manchester-city

Scott Sinclair is ready to sign a permanent deal at Aston Villa. The Manchester City loanee wants to stay after his deal expires at the end of the season.

Sinclair joined Villa in January and has scored three goals in 10 games, including two in three matches during their run to the FA Cup final.

The 26-year-old played as a late substitute in Sunday’s 2-1 semi-final win over Liverpool to set up a meeting with Arsenal in the final.

Sinclair, who has yet to hold talks over his future, said. “I feel at home at Villa, it’s a great club. I’m sure at the end of the season we can sit down and I can sign.”

Sinclair is ineligible for Saturday’s trip to parent club City for whom he has started only three times since moving from Swansea in 2012.

He has become a key part of Villa’s midfield with Fabian Delph and believes the captain is becoming one of the Premier League’s most influential players.

Sinclair said: “I think when you are playing every week you go into a place where you get more confident and that’s what he’s done.

“He’s stayed here, signed a new contract and this is his home. He is performing every week and every week he is improving.”


Right price, right player Yes ;D

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Londonvilla on April 27, 2015, 06:58:09 PM

Aston Villa to make move for Jake Livermore - if Hull suffer relegation

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-make-move-jake-5569830

Tim Sherwood will move for Hull’s Jake Livermore if the Tigers are relegated.

Villa boss Sherwood is a big fan of former Spurs midfielder Livermore, who has one England cap from 2012.

Former Tottenham development manager Sherwood helped bring through Livermore, 25, at White Hart Lane.

Livermore has since enhanced his reputation at Hull who signed him permanently for £8million last summer after a successful season loan from Spurs

Please stay up Hull, dont want him  :(
Are we going to be linked to all ex spur players

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on April 27, 2015, 07:00:45 PM

Richards, Cleverley and Sinclair for a total of around £3m combined would be pretty impressive business.

As the Richards stuff is quoteless and in the Metro I'll assume it's nonsense though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on April 27, 2015, 07:01:19 PM

No thanks to Micah Richards.

Next big thing at 18, absolutely nothing by 24 and missed out on the years that should mean him approaching his peak now with 2 years scratching his arse on Man City's bench and a season in Italy where he's played 17 games of which only 9 have been Serie A.  Any potential there ever was is, in all probability locked away now .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Londonvilla on April 27, 2015, 07:04:07 PM

An old one 13/4/2015

Aston Villa ‘cleared to make transfer bid for Fenerbache midfielder Diego’

http://metro.co.uk/2015/04/13/aston-villa-cleared-to-make-transfer-bid-for-fenerbache-midfielder-diego-5148535/

Aston Villa’s hopes of signing play-maker Diego have taken a significant step forward after the Brazilian’s father reportedly confirmed that he is keen on a summer move.

Diego, 30, had made 17 appearances for Fenerbahçe this season, having signed from La Liga champions Atlético Madrid, but his father’s comments could open the door for a move to Villa Park.

According to Turkish outlet Milliyet, the player’s father said: ‘Diego has a few problems with the staff, he is not being played a lot and is not really all that happy so he could leave Turkey at the end of the season.’

Villa are understood to be interested in bringing the former Porto and Werder Bremen ace to England, and a small transfer fee would be expected given Diego’s willingness to leave Turkey.

Everton are also thought to be tracking the midfielder, however, meaning a transfer battle between the two Premier League clubs could be set to unfold.

Yes please  ;D

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt C on April 27, 2015, 07:04:57 PM

Martin Hansen?
http://www.sportinastorm.com/mobile//Premier-League/Aston-Villa/Danish-star-is-Villa's-number-one-target-/X1Y2Z1926509

One for Villa In Denmark to tell us about perhaps.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on April 27, 2015, 07:06:05 PM

Quote from: LukeJames on April 27, 2015, 06:00:19 PM

So according to Wikipedia he never played for Fulham, I have no idea who I'm thinking of then.

You must have him mixed up with Sack O'Shit, the Irish lad.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on April 27, 2015, 07:08:44 PM

Quote from: Matt C on April 27, 2015, 07:04:57 PM

Martin Hansen?
http://www.sportinastorm.com/mobile//Premier-League/Aston-Villa/Danish-star-is-Villa's-number-one-target-/X1Y2Z1926509

One for Villa In Denmark to tell us about perhaps.

The question with Hansen is, can he do it "week in, week oot"?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Londonvilla on April 27, 2015, 07:09:52 PM

Old but in light of Man city match
Tottenham and Aston Villa tracking Charlton clean sheet specialist Nick Poped

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/tottenham-aston-villa-tracking-charlton-5533982

Aston Villa and Tottenham are keeping tabs on clean sheet specialist Nick Pope.

Charlton goalkeeper Pope is attracting top-flight admirers after racking up an impressive 25 shut outs in 40 league games while out on loan during the last two seasons.
The 22-year-old goalkeeper has managed an impressive 25 shut outs this season and is attracting Premier League interest

The 22-year-old inspired York City into last year's play-offs with 15 clean sheets in 22 League Two appearances, including a run of seven in a row.

And he has kept 10 more in 18 games this term to help Bury into League Two promotion contention.

Villa and Spurs are now eyeing former Ipswich youngster Pope having earmarked him as, initially, a potential back-up keeper.

Yes please  ;D

Pope, whose current Charlton deal runs until 2018, is valued at around £750,000 by the Addicks

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Londonvilla on April 27, 2015, 07:13:00 PM

Aston Villa transfer target Sam Byram: Who is he?

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-transfer-target-sam-8956215


There's still the small matter of eight matches left to determine Aston Villa's fate.

But that doesn't stop summer transfer speculation emerging about the club's summer transfer targets.

One name already in the frame is Leeds United youngster Sam Byram, who has been scouted by Villa.

Here's the lowdown on him...

Who is he?
Sam Byram is a highly-rated right-back who can also play as a right-sided midfielder.

The 21-year-old graduated through the Leeds United academy and has been a regular for the past three seasons.


Big Yes  ;D

Leeds must solve contract situation quickly amid latest Aston Villa transfer rumours
http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2015/03/30/leeds-must-solve-contract-situation-quickly-amid-latest-aston-vi/

According to reports from The Sun, Aston Villa boss Tim Sherwood is lining up a summer swoop to sign Leeds United duo Sam Byram and Lewis Cook.

Both players have come up through the Leeds academy, and have been key players under manager Neil Redfearn this season.

Right back Byram, 21, and midfielder Cook, 18, are two of the most promising English players in the Football League, and it's no surprise to read that there is Premier League interest in their services.

Villa are no doubt buoyed in their pursuit of the pair, because both players are out of contract in 2016, meaning Leeds are at risk of losing them on the cheap in the coming months.
This should set alarm bells ringing in the Leeds hierarchy. There has been plenty of chatter from chairman Andrew Umbers about new contracts for Byram and Cook, but nothing has been announced even speculated for some time now.

Whilst fans want to see new signings, agreeing new contracts with Byram and Cook is arguably more important. The two players are worth millions, and allowing them to enter the final 12 months of their contracts makes Leeds very vulnerable to losing the pair for some way short of their true valuations.

This situation is one of the utmost importance for Leeds, and this latest round of speculation must trigger urgency from the Leeds board ahead of the summer transfer window.

Leeds are moving in the right direction under manager Neil Redfearn, and whilst most fans know that Byram and Cook have futures at the highest level, the club need to make sure that they are sold for their true worth, and not on the cheap.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Londonvilla on April 27, 2015, 07:18:24 PM

Old but I want him to sign for us

Chelsea striker linked with shock move to Premier League rivals

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/436421/Chelsea-striker-Patrick-Bamford-linked-with-shock-move-Premier-League-rivals

Bamford, 21, is currently on loan at Middlesbrough and has struck 16 times this season for the Championship promotion contenders.

Villa boss Tim Sherwood reportedly had a scout in the stands to see the 21-year-old score in the 2-0 win over strugglers Rotherham on Saturday.

Chelsea boss Jose Mourinho is expected to bring in a striker to replace Didier Drogba in the summer while Loic Remy's future is also up in the air.

That means Bamford could be handed a chance at Stamford Bridge but regular first team action on loan at Villa would appeal to all parties.

Middlesbrough are also likely to ask for an extension if they achieve promotion to the top-flight.
Bamford was involved in a penalty spat with strike partner Kike in the Rotherham win. The loanee won the dispute but saw his spot-kick saved by Damian Martinez - and he swiftly apologised.

"It's all sorted. I spoke to Kike and apologised," Bamford told BBC Tees.

"If I'd scored it would have been fine but the goalkeeper has made a good save.

"If you take penalties you'll miss some, and I felt bad missing it."

Big Yes  ;D

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on April 27, 2015, 07:36:02 PM

Quote from: LukeJames on April 27, 2015, 06:00:19 PM

So according to Wikipedia he never played for Fulham, I have no idea who I'm thinking of then.

Maybe you're confusing Dickson (Etuhu) with Dicko, then confusing him with Sako.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy65 on April 27, 2015, 07:45:40 PM

You wonder whether we will get linked with decent youngster because of TS's use of them at Spurs and with Jack at VP

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on April 27, 2015, 08:35:13 PM

Lots of players to move on. Could be a revolving door. Wiemann, Bennett, Luna, Sylla, Westwood, Richardson, Lowton, Given, Helenius. Bent, Vlaar, Stevens and Herd are out of contract I believe. I also wonder if TS will let go of Cole, Senderos?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eamonn on April 27, 2015, 08:38:34 PM

Fucking hell  Londonvilla, you're not a Jim-White-championing-FootballManager2005 addict are ya?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Jimbo on April 27, 2015, 08:42:17 PM

Whoever we're looking at, can we do a little IQ test on them before they sign a contract. We've had too many thickies at the club for far too long.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 27, 2015, 08:45:37 PM

Quote from: Londonvilla on April 27, 2015, 07:04:07 PM

An old one 13/4/2015

Aston Villa ‘cleared to make transfer bid for Fenerbache midfielder Diego’

Isn't he a #10 and therefore unlikely based on Sherwood's comments about not signing players which may block the path of our youngsters?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on April 27, 2015, 09:07:33 PM

Who is top of the benteke replacement list?

Adebayor?
Afobe?
Ings?
Austin?
Batshuayi?

Not convinced by any of those options if I'm honest

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 27, 2015, 09:11:46 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on April 27, 2015, 09:07:33 PM

Who is top of the benteke replacement list?

Adebayor?
Afobe?
Ings?
Austin?
Batshuayi?

Not convinced by any of those options if I'm honest

Why does Benteke need replacing?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Londonvilla on April 27, 2015, 09:17:07 PM

Quote from: eamonn on April 27, 2015, 08:38:34 PM

Fucking hell  Londonvilla, you're not a Jim-White-championing-FootballManager2005 addict are ya?

I am in bed with the flu ......so nothing better to do

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on April 27, 2015, 09:33:26 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on April 27, 2015, 09:07:33 PM

Who is top of the benteke replacement list?

Adebayor?
Afobe?
Ings?
Austin?
Batshuayi?

Not convinced by any of those options if I'm honest

We should tell any bidder that we'll only consider a swap for the new Russian hot shot.  Ydontja Justfukov.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on April 27, 2015, 09:35:41 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 27, 2015, 09:11:46 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on April 27, 2015, 09:07:33 PM

Who is top of the benteke replacement list?

Adebayor?
Afobe?
Ings?
Austin?
Batshuayi?

Not convinced by any of those options if I'm honest

Why does Bent-eke need replacing?

I live in hope that he won't but it would be irresponsible for us not to be planning for his replacement. He's definitely top Six quality and probably top four

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 27, 2015, 09:40:47 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on April 27, 2015, 09:35:41 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 27, 2015, 09:11:46 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on April 27, 2015, 09:07:33 PM

Who is top of the benteke replacement list?

Adebayor?
Afobe?
Ings?
Austin?
Batshuayi?

Not convinced by any of those options if I'm honest

Why does Bent-eke need replacing?

I live in hope that he won't but it would be irresponsible for us not to be planning for his replacement. He's definitely top Six quality and probably top four

If that was the case you'd be looking for replacements for every player. After all, they might all leave.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on April 27, 2015, 09:42:42 PM

Sinclair , Cleverly and Richards for £2.5m , get it done Mr Fox.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on April 27, 2015, 09:56:02 PM

Quote from: Matt C on April 27, 2015, 07:04:57 PM

Martin Hansen?
http://www.sportinastorm.com/mobile//Premier-League/Aston-Villa/Danish-star-is-Villa's-number-one-target-/X1Y2Z1926509

One for Villa In Denmark to tell us about perhaps.

Sorry, can't help with an opinion based on having seen him play (but look at the Benteke thread for how useful that can be ;) )

Looking at his Danish Wikipedia page, he'd hardly be coming with ringing endorsements.

Loaned out to Bradford at 21 (whilst contracted to Liverpool)
Next season signed for Viborg in the Danish 2nd division
Next season signed for FC Nordsjælland on a 3½ year contract and played 15 games as second choice in their worst season from the last 5.
This season playing for Den Haag, apparently on a 2 year contract.

I know it's typical journalistic over egging of the facts but

"Danish star" not quite.  I don't think he's even in the reckoning for a call up to the national squad, despite the choices being pretty crap after Schmeichel Jr.
"He has developed into one of the best keepers in Holland"  He's been there 8 months

I think we've got a poster (NeilH?) who's from that part of Holland these days.  I'm pretty sure that Den Haag went bust last year

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 27, 2015, 10:04:28 PM

Quote from: Dave on April 27, 2015, 06:19:31 PM

Somebody I reckon is nailed on is Tom Carroll - on loan at Swansea, a year left on his Spurs contract and described by Sherwood variously while he was there as "the missing piece in Tottenham's midfield" "good enough to play for Barcelona" and "the player to replace Luka Modric".

Apparently Swansea were quoted £5m in January, so you'd think him to come in for £3-4m, particularly if we don't sign Cleverley.

Lugongo is nailed on imo, not sure we'd sign Carroll aswell as he hasn't played that much for Swansea. If we don't sign Cleverley full time then I'd prefer a central midfielder to replace him with a bit more premier league experience.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eamonn on April 27, 2015, 10:07:09 PM

Lug who go ?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: barrysleftfoot on April 27, 2015, 10:08:29 PM

 Westwood +£2m for Ki, would do me tbh

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Billy Walker on April 27, 2015, 10:12:58 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on April 27, 2015, 09:35:41 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 27, 2015, 09:11:46 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on April 27, 2015, 09:07:33 PM

Who is top of the benteke replacement list?

Adebayor?
Afobe?
Ings?
Austin?
Batshuayi?

Not convinced by any of those options if I'm honest

Why does Bent-eke need replacing?

I live in hope that he won't but it would be irresponsible for us not to be planning for his replacement. He's definitely top Six quality and probably top four

Wait and see what the Summer brings.

It would be irresponsible not to be planning ahead if he was to be sold but maybe that day is quite a way off?  In the mean time who are we going to sign to play alongside him and add fire to the squad so that we can make top four/six?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: spangley1812 on April 27, 2015, 10:15:29 PM

Quote from: eamonn on April 27, 2015, 10:07:09 PM

Lug who go ?

plays for Swindon, Timothy had in in the youth team @ Spurs and he was man of the tournament at this years Asia cup

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 27, 2015, 10:17:40 PM

Being player of the tournament at Asia Cup indicates to me he's got the ability to step up to prem level so I have no issue with him coming in as a development signing if you like.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 27, 2015, 10:30:05 PM

Just a hunch, but I reckon he will raid some of the top clubs youth players rather than lazily signing spurs. 
I'm sure he'd be aware of the very best young players from his 5 (?) years working with spurs' development squad and I think he'd see Villa are the perfect size club to poach such players.   

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 27, 2015, 10:37:24 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on April 27, 2015, 10:30:05 PM

Just a hunch, but I reckon he will raid some of the top clubs youth players rather than lazily signing spurs. 
I'm sure he'd be aware of the very best young players from his 5 (?) years working with spurs' development squad and I think he'd see Villa are the perfect size club to poach such players.   

I broadly have no problem with that philosophy, I supported what we were doing under Lambert. However the big mistake from that method was not signing 1-2 experienced premier league players each summer to complement then.

By all means sign a couple of exciting young players from the lower league. However it would be great to also say have a Neil Taylor coming in from Swansea (who's played about 100 games in the premier league for them now) and also say an experienced midfield like Ki who someone mentioned above.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on April 27, 2015, 10:53:07 PM

Quote from: LeeB on April 27, 2015, 07:08:44 PM

Quote from: Matt C on April 27, 2015, 07:04:57 PM

Martin Hansen?
http://www.sportinastorm.com/mobile//Premier-League/Aston-Villa/Danish-star-is-Villa's-number-one-target-/X1Y2Z1926509

One for Villa In Denmark to tell us about perhaps.

The question with Hansen is, can he do it "week in, week oot"?

My question is, can he kick the bloody ball clear of his 6 yard box? (Winky joke type thing)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on April 27, 2015, 10:55:16 PM

The encouraging thing is sherwood I imagine can smooth talk talent into signing. He's very much a person footballers resonate to.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on April 27, 2015, 11:10:18 PM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on April 27, 2015, 10:04:28 PM

Quote from: Dave on April 27, 2015, 06:19:31 PM

Somebody I reckon is nailed on is Tom Carroll - on loan at Swansea, a year left on his Spurs contract and described by Sherwood variously while he was there as "the missing piece in Tottenham's midfield" "good enough to play for Barcelona" and "the player to replace Luka Modric".

Apparently Swansea were quoted £5m in January, so you'd think him to come in for £3-4m, particularly if we don't sign Cleverley.

Lugongo is nailed on imo, not sure we'd sign Carroll aswell as he hasn't played that much for Swansea.

How does that work then? We wouldn't sign Carroll, who Sherwood says that he loves because he's only played 15 odd Premier League games for Swansea, but we'll definite sign Luongo who has looked competent two leagues below us?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: junxs on April 27, 2015, 11:17:05 PM

Was listening to Paul Franks phone in on WM the other night and he says Villa can't sign Cleverley on a free as we have an agreement in place for £7m. If we don't take that up we can't sign him.

I personally think he's got it wrong as surely that would go against the trading law under the Bosman ruling? I think that option was for January only and he's got his wires crossed.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 27, 2015, 11:17:26 PM

I think there's more in the Luongo link as Sherwood went to watch Swindon recently.

As I've said if we're not signing Cleverley then I'd rather an experienced prem midfielder comes in aswell rather than signing two midfielders wth a lack of prem experience as is the case with the two mentioned.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on April 27, 2015, 11:28:26 PM

Quote from: junxs on April 27, 2015, 11:17:05 PM

Was listening to Paul Franks phone in on WM the other night and he says Villa can't sign Cleverley on a free as we have an agreement in place for £7m. If we don't take that up we can't sign him.

I personally think he's got it wrong as surely that would go against the trading law under the Bosman ruling? I think that option was for January only and he's got his wires crossed. full of shit

Fixed.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 27, 2015, 11:36:56 PM

Quote from: Newby on April 27, 2015, 08:35:13 PM

Lots of players to move on. Could be a revolving door. Wiemann, Bennett, Luna, Sylla, Westwood, Richardson, Lowton, Given, Helenius. Bent, Vlaar, Stevens and Herd are out of contract I believe. I also wonder if TS will let go of Cole, Senderos?

Weimann, Bennett, Luna, Sylla, Lowton, Given, Helenius, Richardson are signed up until 2016.

Westwood is 2017.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on April 27, 2015, 11:48:04 PM

Presuming we stay up, left back, defensive midfield and up front are areas we need to improve next season.  Hopefully Cleverley and Sinclair will also be added. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 27, 2015, 11:58:56 PM

Quote from: junxs on April 27, 2015, 11:17:05 PM

Was listening to Paul Franks phone in on WM the other night and he says Villa can't sign Cleverley on a free as we have an agreement in place for £7m. If we don't take that up we can't sign him.

I personally think he's got it wrong as surely that would go against the trading law under the Bosman ruling? I think that option was for January only and he's got his wires crossed.

Paul Franks is supposed to be a credible sports journalist/presenter working for a credible organisation. As we've seen from him last few years with his anti Villa rants I think Talksport would be embarrased to employ him.

A simple bit of research from him would show that on 1st July Cleverley is free to sign for any club of his choosing without any transfer fee but of course it's too much hard work to simply find that out when there's a nice little negative slant to put on the Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ROBBO on April 28, 2015, 12:01:10 AM

I havn't been that impressed with Sinclair to date his ball control is poor, it could be that he needs time being so long out of the firing line.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on April 28, 2015, 03:01:53 AM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on April 27, 2015, 11:58:56 PM

Quote from: junxs on April 27, 2015, 11:17:05 PM

Was listening to Paul Franks phone in on WM the other night and he says Villa can't sign Cleverley on a free as we have an agreement in place for £7m. If we don't take that up we can't sign him.

I personally think he's got it wrong as surely that would go against the trading law under the Bosman ruling? I think that option was for January only and he's got his wires crossed.

Paul Franks is supposed to be a credible sports journalist/presenter working for a credible organisation. As we've seen from him last few years with his anti Villa rants I think Talksport would be embarrased to employ him.

A simple bit of research from him would show that on 1st July Cleverley is free to sign for any club of his choosing without any transfer fee but of course it's too much hard work to simply find that out when there's a nice little negative slant to put on the Villa.

What's that..."Paul Franks in talks shite shocker"?  :o

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pooligan on April 28, 2015, 03:48:25 AM

Just goes to show how much Franks knows about football,very little!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on April 28, 2015, 08:17:59 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 27, 2015, 11:36:56 PM

Quote from: Newby on April 27, 2015, 08:35:13 PM

Lots of players to move on. Could be a revolving door. Wiemann, Bennett, Luna, Sylla, Westwood, Richardson, Lowton, Given, Helenius. Bent, Vlaar, Stevens and Herd are out of contract I believe. I also wonder if TS will let go of Cole, Senderos?

Weimann, Bennett, Luna, Sylla, Lowton, Given, Helenius, Richardson are signed up until 2016.

Westwood is 2017.

Can't see anyone taking Given off our hands for the last year of his deal same for Cole and Senderos. Rico is handy as a squad player so he might get another year. Apparently Bacuna's deal is up in 2016, definitely worth extending his deal for all his faults he creates a lot of chances going forward.

All the others with only a year left will go this summer. Weimann was the biggest disappointment after a fine first season under Lambert, very limited technical ability counted against him more and more.

Bent, Vlaar and Weimann going should free up a nice bit of the wage bill.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 28, 2015, 12:56:40 PM

Time to cash in on Weimann I think rather than allow him to go on a free.
There might still be a good player in there but I think he might need to drop a level to play regularly as a proper striker.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on April 28, 2015, 01:07:30 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 27, 2015, 09:11:46 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on April 27, 2015, 09:07:33 PM

Who is top of the benteke replacement list?

Adebayor?
Afobe?
Ings?
Austin?
Batshuayi?

Not convinced by any of those options if I'm honest

Why does Benteke need replacing?

I may well have no idea about the working of a modern day footballers mind but why would he want to leave? an entire team playing to his strengths, a football club where he adored as the main man. He is still under contract, may well be an FA Cup winner for a club playing in europe and thats without even considering the fact that we are getting taken over this season. I dont think there would be a single descenting voice from the dressing room were the club to offer him 100k per week on a new deal either.

im not saying a 50m bid from Bayern would be turned down but a 25m offer from Liverpool or spuds wont cut it im afraid

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on April 28, 2015, 01:39:40 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on April 27, 2015, 10:55:16 PM

The encouraging thing is sherwood I imagine can smooth talk talent into signing. He's very much a person footballers resonate to.

Even Paul Lambert didn't have a problem attracting decent players, with budget freed up from releasing Vlaar, Bent and maybe even Weimann, Nzogbia this summer we should be able to offer decent wages to new players in the summer.

Left back is a never ending problem position for us. Ben Davies on a season loan might not be a bad shout. Presume he was scouted during Sherwood's time at Spurs. Kyle Walker's form has gone to pot but with the Euros coming up regular football with us is sure to be a decent inventive for him. At his best, he offers the best of Hutton and Bacuna combined.
Really hope we don't go for Steven Caulker in the summer, we do need a right sided centre half with Vlaar surely leaving but he is hugely overrated.
I'm not sure Cleverley and Sinclair have done enough for us to be certs to keep but Id say they will be kept on.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on April 28, 2015, 02:33:22 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on April 28, 2015, 01:39:40 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on April 27, 2015, 10:55:16 PM

The encouraging thing is sherwood I imagine can smooth talk talent into signing. He's very much a person footballers resonate to.

Even Paul Lambert didn't have a problem attracting decent players, with budget freed up from releasing Vlaar, Bent and maybe even Weimann, Nzogbia this summer we should be able to offer decent wages to new players in the summer.

Left back is a never ending problem position for us. Ben Davies on a season loan might not be a bad shout. Presume he was scouted during Sherwood's time at Spurs. Kyle Walker's form has gone to pot but with the Euros coming up regular football with us is sure to be a decent inventive for him. At his best, he offers the best of Hutton and Bacuna combined.
Really hope we don't go for Steven Caulker in the summer, we do need a right sided centre half with Vlaar surely leaving but he is hugely overrated.
I'm not sure Cleverley and Sinclair have done enough for us to be certs to keep but Id say they will be kept on.

We do have to shift dead wood, but for me, even if Randy remains, I'd like us to stop thinking too much about trimming the wage bill, or keeping it on a par. There's so much cash in the Premier League right now we can afford to bring in 3-4 good players and worry about shifting shit after that. Right off the bat Bent is gone, so that's 60k(ish) a week off the books.

This is a season where a bit of ambition is needed. I think we need to speculate a bit. I'm by no means suggesting an MON-esque window of biblical money spunking proportions, but we could fork out 20-25 mill and pay competitive wages to decent players. Then next season we could genuinely progress. We don't have to go crazy, we just need quality in key areas.
My worry is that Randy may give Sherwood a limited budget up front, and tell him he has to sell the likes of Sylla, Luna, Tonev, Helenius etc to raise more wage and transfer budget. And selling that lot is gonna take some doing, short of giving them away.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 28, 2015, 02:39:04 PM

What Lambert/Sherwood combination has shown is that you don't have to spend a massive amount to create a football team that can play exciting football, score great goals and win games in the PL. We don't to go out and spend £25 on q player when really good ones available with the proper scouting and evaluation at significantly less. At least we certainly don't have to do that given where we are in the process. Rules might change if we make it to the CL but no point looking that far ahead.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on April 28, 2015, 02:52:12 PM

Since this site is without equal anywhere for erudition I really hope we sign Trasch from Wolfsburg. Not only would we have an instant joke-in-a-box, he is a bloody good young full back.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 28, 2015, 02:59:57 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on April 28, 2015, 02:39:04 PM

What Lambert/Sherwood combination has shown is that you don't have to spend a massive amount to create a football team that can play exciting football, score great goals and win games in the PL. We don't to go out and spend £25 on q player when really good ones available with the proper scouting and evaluation at significantly less. At least we certainly don't have to do that given where we are in the process. Rules might change if we make it to the CL but no point looking that far ahead.

They couldn't even sign me for £25!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on April 28, 2015, 03:21:48 PM

From what I've seen of him, Sakho looks to be decent, but is he really any different to N'Zogbia now that he seems to have found some form again? That said, on a free, he'd certainly be a more useful attacking option than the likes of Weimann and Cole and it doesn't look like Gil is in Sherwood's plans unfortunately.

I'd take Micah Richards though. I'm not surprised that he's not puling up trees in Serie A. His game is built on pace and power and he's an ideal fit for the Premier League, not the chess-like concentration and positioning that you need to be a success in Italy. I suppose the big question though, is would he stop Okore from progressing? 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 28, 2015, 03:25:00 PM

Yes to Micah Richards because what we really need is another injury prone defender who rarely plays.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 28, 2015, 03:55:17 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 28, 2015, 02:59:57 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on April 28, 2015, 02:39:04 PM

What Lambert/Sherwood combination has shown is that you don't have to spend a massive amount to create a football team that can play exciting football, score great goals and win games in the PL. We don't to go out and spend £25 on q player when really good ones available with the proper scouting and evaluation at significantly less. At least we certainly don't have to do that given where we are in the process. Rules might change if we make it to the CL but no point looking that far ahead.

They couldn't even sign me for £25!

I'm a whore when it comes to the Villa. I'll cost only £15 plus a couple of Balti pies.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on April 28, 2015, 04:11:14 PM

I see in the papers today that we have been linked with Patrick Bamford.  Would be a good signing.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 28, 2015, 04:24:47 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on April 28, 2015, 12:56:40 PM

Time to cash in on Weimann I think rather than allow him to go on a free.
There might still be a good player in there but I think he might need to drop a level to play regularly as a proper striker.

Be alright for someone like Watford

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: not3bad on April 28, 2015, 05:00:19 PM

Patrick Bamford on loan from Chelsea?  Strikes me as the kind of move that Tim Sherwood would be tempted by.

http://www.squawka.com/news/aston-villa-looking-to-sign-chelseas-bamford-on-loan/365018

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on April 28, 2015, 05:07:31 PM

Quote from: RussellC on April 28, 2015, 03:21:48 PM

From what I've seen of him, Sakho looks to be decent, but is he really any different to N'Zogbia now that he seems to have found some form again? That said, on a free, he'd certainly be a more useful attacking option than the likes of Weimann and Cole and it doesn't look like Gil is in Sherwood's plans unfortunately.

I'd take Micah Richards though. I'm not surprised that he's not puling up trees in Serie A. His game is built on pace and power and he's an ideal fit for the Premier League, not the chess-like concentration and positioning that you need to be a success in Italy. I suppose the big question though, is would he stop Okore from progressing? 

Similarly inconsistent to Zogbia I would imagine, though he is built like a brick out-house so he's definitely stronger on the ball. I think he'd deliver more goals than CNZ.
I think he'd be a good option and can play all along the top really. He'd give us another left footed option and would be an upgrade on Wiemann to be honest.

Richards is one I'm not sure of to be honest. He's never really been consistent and he must actually be getting on a bit now. He is quick but it's still unclear whether he's better at CH or RB.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on April 28, 2015, 05:21:22 PM

I'm sure I read something a few weeks ago about Sherwood scouting Bamford.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on April 28, 2015, 06:08:08 PM

Quote from: supertom on April 28, 2015, 05:07:31 PM

Quote from: RussellC on April 28, 2015, 03:21:48 PM

From what I've seen of him, Sakho looks to be decent, but is he really any different to N'Zogbia now that he seems to have found some form again? That said, on a free, he'd certainly be a more useful attacking option than the likes of Weimann and Cole and it doesn't look like Gil is in Sherwood's plans unfortunately.

I'd take Micah Richards though. I'm not surprised that he's not puling up trees in Serie A. His game is built on pace and power and he's an ideal fit for the Premier League, not the chess-like concentration and positioning that you need to be a success in Italy. I suppose the big question though, is would he stop Okore from progressing? 

Similarly inconsistent to Zogbia I would imagine, though he is built like a brick out-house so he's definitely stronger on the ball. I think he'd deliver more goals than CNZ.
I think he'd be a good option and can play all along the top really. He'd give us another left footed option and would be an upgrade on Wiemann to be honest.

Richards is one I'm not sure of to be honest. He's never really been consistent and he must actually be getting on a bit now. He is quick but it's still unclear whether he's better at CH or RB.

27 in the summer, not a kid but not exactly getting on a bit, if he can get a run in a side he can play for 6-7 years yet (not much longer because his pace is important to his game).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TimTheVillain on April 28, 2015, 06:15:50 PM

All of this transfer talk is premature.

We have to secure Prem status first !

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Londonvilla on April 28, 2015, 08:17:45 PM

Aston Villa ‘eye cut-price £2.5million transfer deal for Cordoba striker Florin Andone’

http://metro.co.uk/2015/04/28/aston-villa-eye-cut-price-2-5million-transfer-deal-for-cordoba-striker-florin-andone-5170437/

Aston Villa are reportedly eyeing a cut-price deal £2.5million transfer move for Cordoba striker Florin Andone as they look to bolster their attacking options.

The Villans are targeting a move for the Romanian as they look to cash in on the Spanish side’s relegation from La Liga, according to the Mail.

The Romanian international is valued at £6m but due to Cordoba’s inevitable plummet from the top flight of Spanish football, Tim Sherwood could secure a cheap deal.

Regardless of whether Villa let their talismanic Belgian striker Christian Benteke leave this summer or not, they are still keen to build their attacking options.

Has anyone seen this guy?????

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tom jennings III on April 30, 2015, 07:01:42 AM

Quote from: Londonvilla on April 28, 2015, 08:17:45 PM

Aston Villa ‘eye cut-price £2.5million transfer deal for Cordoba striker Florin Andone’

http://metro.co.uk/2015/04/28/aston-villa-eye-cut-price-2-5million-transfer-deal-for-cordoba-striker-florin-andone-5170437/

Aston Villa are reportedly eyeing a cut-price deal £2.5million transfer move for Cordoba striker Florin Andone as they look to bolster their attacking options.

The Villans are targeting a move for the Romanian as they look to cash in on the Spanish side’s relegation from La Liga, according to the Mail.

The Romanian international is valued at £6m but due to Cordoba’s inevitable plummet from the top flight of Spanish football, Tim Sherwood could secure a cheap deal.

Regardless of whether Villa let their talismanic Belgian striker Christian Benteke leave this summer or not, they are still keen to build their attacking options.

Has anyone seen this guy?????

All I know is that he scored a goal right from kick-off earlier this season. Cordoba are bloody awful so could be a good player in there if our scouts have seen something in him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on April 30, 2015, 08:30:28 AM

Quote from: not3bad on April 28, 2015, 05:00:19 PM

Patrick Bamford on loan from Chelsea?  Strikes me as the kind of move that Tim Sherwood would be tempted by.

http://www.squawka.com/news/aston-villa-looking-to-sign-chelseas-bamford-on-loan/365018

I would only really favour a loan move for a player like that if there was an option to buy at the end.  If he did come, hopefully he could persuade his family (Bamford is the 'B' in JCB) to invest in the club!!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 30, 2015, 09:26:17 AM

The downside of loaning a player from Chelsea is he won't be available for us for the Community Shield.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on April 30, 2015, 09:50:36 AM

Quote from: tomd2103 on April 30, 2015, 08:30:28 AM

Quote from: not3bad on April 28, 2015, 05:00:19 PM

Patrick Bamford on loan from Chelsea?  Strikes me as the kind of move that Tim Sherwood would be tempted by.

http://www.squawka.com/news/aston-villa-looking-to-sign-chelseas-bamford-on-loan/365018

I would only really favour a loan move for a player like that if there was an option to buy at the end.  If he did come, hopefully he could persuade his family (Bamford is the 'B' in JCB) to invest in the club!!

Like the look of Bamford, from what I have seen of Boro this season.  But hard to know for certain whether that form could translate to the top flight.

So a loan would make sense.

I don't think he'll be staying there long-term anyroad, they'll just throw £30+ million at the latest big name forward when Roman gets bored again.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: richard moore on April 30, 2015, 12:29:58 PM

No loans from Chelsea at all thank you. Assuming we stay up, I would like to think we start next season with rather greater aspirations than helping that scum to develop their younger players. Leave this sort of thing to the likes of Middlesborough and Birmingham for whom it is entirely appropriate.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JJ-AV on April 30, 2015, 01:11:42 PM

I'd take the right loan. Januzaj for example.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on April 30, 2015, 01:13:45 PM

Quote from: richard moore on April 30, 2015, 12:29:58 PM

No loans from Chelsea at all thank you. Assuming we stay up, I would like to think we start next season with rather greater aspirations than helping that scum to develop their younger players. Leave this sort of thing to the likes of Middlesborough and Birmingham for whom it is entirely appropriate.

I know you can't stand them, but I'm feeling some warmth to Chelsea as they seem to be the only team that can be counted upon to do their duty and dispatch our rivals.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on April 30, 2015, 02:33:00 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on April 30, 2015, 09:26:17 AM

The downside of loaning a player from Chelsea is he won't be available for us for the Community Shield.

I could live with that.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on April 30, 2015, 02:35:39 PM

Quote from: LeeB on April 30, 2015, 01:13:45 PM

Quote from: richard moore on April 30, 2015, 12:29:58 PM

No loans from Chelsea at all thank you. Assuming we stay up, I would like to think we start next season with rather greater aspirations than helping that scum to develop their younger players. Leave this sort of thing to the likes of Middlesborough and Birmingham for whom it is entirely appropriate.

I know you can't stand them, but I'm feeling some warmth to Chelsea as they seem to be the only team that can be counted upon to do their duty and dispatch our rivals.

I'm sure City have given most of our rivals points

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on April 30, 2015, 02:58:40 PM

Quote from: JJ-AV on April 30, 2015, 01:11:42 PM

I'd take the right loan. Januzaj for example.

Not a fan to be honest. He showed a lot of promise over a couple of months when he broke in, but has been inconsistent since. He's just a young lad of course, but I don't think he gives enough. I think he'd struggle to get in our side too. I suspect he'll be moved on in the summer and end up in Spain, Germany or Italy.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on April 30, 2015, 02:59:41 PM

Quote from: supertom on April 30, 2015, 02:58:40 PM

Quote from: JJ-AV on April 30, 2015, 01:11:42 PM

I'd take the right loan. Januzaj for example.

Not a fan to be honest. He showed a lot of promise over a couple of months when he broke in, but has been inconsistent since. He's just a young lad of course, but I don't think he gives enough. I think he'd struggle to get in our side too. I suspect he'll be moved on in the summer and end up in Spain, Germany or Italy.

And then back at Stoke in three years time.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: richard moore on April 30, 2015, 02:59:58 PM

Quote from: LeeB on April 30, 2015, 01:13:45 PM

Quote from: richard moore on April 30, 2015, 12:29:58 PM

No loans from Chelsea at all thank you. Assuming we stay up, I would like to think we start next season with rather greater aspirations than helping that scum to develop their younger players. Leave this sort of thing to the likes of Middlesborough and Birmingham for whom it is entirely appropriate.

I know you can't stand them, but I'm feeling some warmth to Chelsea as they seem to be the only team that can be counted upon to do their duty and dispatch our rivals.

Yes I know what you mean Lee. As already said on the Other Games thread last night, it comes to something when you are punching the air when that c*** Terry scores for those c***s. I want to get back to the teams at the bottom of the league beating scum like them.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard E on April 30, 2015, 03:01:32 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on April 30, 2015, 09:26:17 AM

The downside of loaning a player from Chelsea is he won't be available for us for the Community Shield.

Or when we play them at Stamford Bridge in the title decider next May

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eamonn on April 30, 2015, 03:10:38 PM

Quote from: LeeB on April 30, 2015, 01:13:45 PM

Quote from: richard moore on April 30, 2015, 12:29:58 PM

No loans from Chelsea at all thank you. Assuming we stay up, I would like to think we start next season with rather greater aspirations than helping that scum to develop their younger players. Leave this sort of thing to the likes of Middlesborough and Birmingham for whom it is entirely appropriate.

I know you can't stand them, but I'm feeling some warmth to Chelsea as they seem to be the only team that can be counted upon to do their duty and dispatch our rivals.

Plus, sad though it is, Chelsea now loan a huge amount of players and some to very big clubs (Moses to Liverpool and Courtois last season to Atletico - karma that Atleti knocked them out of the Champions League with Courtois in goal).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Londonvilla on May 02, 2015, 11:27:05 AM

Aston Villa manager Tim Sherwood wants control over all transfers

Villa may scrap director of football role to give Sherwood freedom to move for targets including Tom Carroll of Spurs and Chelsea striker Patrick Bamford

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11575413/Aston-Villa-manager-Tim-Sherwood-wants-control-over-all-transfers.html

Aston Villa could scrap plans to appoint a director of football in a boost for Tim Sherwood ahead of next season.
Sherwood will meet with chairman Randy Lerner next month and reiterate that the position does not need to be filled, with the manager intent on having sole control of football operations including transfer targets.
Tottenham Hotspur midfielder Tom Carroll, currently on loan at Swansea City, and Swindon Town’s Massimo Luongo are both understood to be on Sherwood’s radar for the next campaign.

Steven Caulker, the Queens Park Rangers centre-half, could also be a target if the west London club are relegated and Ron Vlaar leaves Villa this summer on a free transfer.
Patrick Bamford, who this season has impressed on loan at Middlesbrough from Chelsea, is also expected to be on Sherwood’s list as he bids to strengthen his squad.
Villa were keen to appoint a director of football operations earlier this year when Paul Lambert was in charge but Lerner may abort the search after talks with Sherwood before pre-season.
Sherwood encountered difficulties with Franco Baldini at former club Tottenham Hotspur and wants to ensure there are no grey areas when it comes to player recruitment.
He said: “I’d welcome talking to Randy and the people who make those decisions at the club regarding why they think it’s necessary and what benefit it could have.
That’s a conversation I must have and Randy will get my honest views on how I think it works because obviously I’ve experienced it previously. It would make no sense now to interrupt things and bring someone in.
“Unless you have control on recruitment, I don’t think it works to be honest. A lot is written about director of footballs and technical directors, whatever you want to call them. Every club has someone like this and they all do different jobs.
“It’s about identifying what you’re going to bring them in to actually do. I don’t know a sporting director who has operated in this country who have had the final say on players. The manager always has a part to play in that.”
Tom Cleverley is another player Sherwood will make a pitch to sign this summer, after the England international revived his career on loan from Manchester United.
Villa’s opponents on Saturday, Everton, also want free agent Cleverley but Sherwood insists his club will “be in the frame”.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Londonvilla on May 02, 2015, 11:30:58 AM

Nottingham Forest winger Michail Antonio ‘on summer transfer radar of West Brom, Aston Villa and Swansea’

http://metro.co.uk/2015/05/01/nottingham-forest-winger-michail-antonio-on-summer-transfer-radar-of-west-brom-aston-villa-and-swansea-5177559/

West Brom, Aston Villa and Swansea are all keeping tabs on Nottingham Forest’s Michail Antonio ahead of making a move for the highly-rated winger in the summer.

According to ESPN, the trio have been impressed with the 25-year-old’s performances this season, which has seen him score 14 goals and provide 14 assists for the Championship club.

West Brom, who were interested in Antonio during the January transfer window, are reportedly readying another bid as Tony Pulis looks to seal the deal for the former Sheffield Wednesday man.

However, Swansea and Villa are also said to be monitoring his situation as they aim to bolster their attacking options.

Forest would not want to lose their star man but may struggle to keep hold of Antonio if the expected bids do materialise.

Not happening.........but has anyone seen him?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on May 02, 2015, 11:32:25 AM

Regardless of what you think of the idea of a DoF, would they change a behind the scenes structure on the say-so of the manager? I would have thought that wouldn't be Sherwood's call.

And Caulker? Er, nah.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on May 02, 2015, 10:36:57 PM

Id be v disappointed if we got caulker tho perhaps aherwood thinks he knows him well enough

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on May 02, 2015, 10:47:03 PM

The media always links managers with players they've worked with before, it requires no imagination. Sometimes it happens (O'Neill signing Heskey showed a complete lack of imagination) but more often it won't.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on May 03, 2015, 09:20:14 AM

There are some very complimentary quotes from Sherwood about Caulker, I see that happening if we stay up.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 03, 2015, 10:03:33 AM

I don;t mind Caulker, think there's a player there - anyone would struggle partnering Dicky Dunne and Rio all season!  Timmy will get his confidence back.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 03, 2015, 11:18:44 AM

Caulker keeps on getting relegated though in defences that concede a lot.

He did have a good season on loan at Swansea a few years back though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Londonvilla on May 03, 2015, 11:47:12 AM

ASTON VILLA

Aston Villa may offer Liverpool striker Fabio Borini the chance to leave the Reds once again, either on loan or in a permanent move.

The 24-year-old Italian scored against Villa earlier in the season but has, again, found game time hard to come by back at his parent club.

Borini did show potential when Sunderland borrowed him last season and Villa, with boss Tim Sherwood looking for rough diamonds, may decide to take a punt.

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/2015/04/29/transfer-rumours-april-29/

Not happening..........

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on May 03, 2015, 06:43:39 PM

Let's get benteke's younger brother shipped in. I don't care if he's worse than Jordan Bowery - keep the beast happy

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on May 03, 2015, 06:51:11 PM

No thanks not Borini. He is about Everton/Spurs level not for us.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: DrGonzo on May 03, 2015, 07:21:41 PM

Quote from: olaftab on May 03, 2015, 06:51:11 PM

No thanks not Borini. He is about Everton/Spurs level not for us.

I just we WE were Spurs level...??

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on May 03, 2015, 07:33:07 PM

That was old Villa. The new Villa looks down on teams we have easily beaten in recent days.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 03, 2015, 07:55:59 PM

Quote from: olaftab on May 03, 2015, 07:33:07 PM

That was old Villa. The new Villa looks down on teams we have easily beaten in recent days.

Too right. He should therefore also consider staying at Liverpool.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 03, 2015, 08:03:47 PM

Quote from: Malandro on May 03, 2015, 06:43:39 PM

Let's get benteke's younger brother shipped in. I don't care if he's worse than Jordan Bowery - keep the beast happy

Let's re-hire Paul Lambert as a scout.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on May 03, 2015, 08:39:24 PM

let's not for every Benteke think Tony Moon. No our Lambert days are over.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on May 03, 2015, 08:51:57 PM

Fabio Borini is utter shit, how Liverpool nearly got £12m for him is anyone's guess.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on May 03, 2015, 09:15:06 PM

Quote from: Malandro on May 03, 2015, 06:43:39 PM

Let's get benteke's younger brother shipped in. I don't care if he's worse than Jordan Bowery - keep the beast happy

My local rugby club once signed Tim Horan's brother on the basis that he was, well... Tim Horan's brother.

It did not work out too well.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Fasth56 on May 03, 2015, 09:30:00 PM

Did we not sign Neil Rioch to get Bruce Rioch?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on May 03, 2015, 10:28:56 PM

And Alan to keep Brian company!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on May 03, 2015, 11:17:02 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on May 03, 2015, 08:39:24 PM

let's not for every Benteke think Tony Moon. No our Lambert days are over.

Lambert's signings were better overall than oneill's and much better than houllier and mcelish's turned out

Benteke 7, okore 4, Westwood 1, bacuna 1.5, Guzan free, possibly even kozak we'll see

Some bad ones too no doubt. But our squad is better now than at any time since houllier and that's been achieved on peanuts

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 03, 2015, 11:34:47 PM

bit harsh on Houllier considering that he only had a January window to work with. Brought in Bent and Kyle Walker both of whom contributed positively to us staying up.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 04, 2015, 12:00:43 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 03, 2015, 11:34:47 PM

bit harsh on Houllier considering that he only had a January window to work with. Brought in Bent and Kyle Walker both of whom contributed positively to us staying up.

And Makoun.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 04, 2015, 12:04:36 AM

Quote from: aj2k77 on May 03, 2015, 08:51:57 PM

Fabio Borini is utter shit, how Liverpool nearly got £12m for him is anyone's guess.

He's not utter shit he's just not great.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on May 04, 2015, 08:23:42 AM

Houllier spent the beat part of 30m on bent and makoun. Perhaps bent was the difference in keeping us up but he definitely didn't turn out to warrant that fee in the long run

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on May 04, 2015, 09:49:58 AM

Links with a £12m bid for Robertson, the Hull fullback. I think I can say on behalf of Aston Villa that we won't be signing any £12m fullbacks this summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on May 04, 2015, 10:11:54 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 04, 2015, 08:23:42 AM

Houllier spent the beat part of 30m on bent and makoun. Perhaps bent was the difference in keeping us up but he definitely didn't turn out to warrant that fee in the long run

That was how much it cost to get Sunderland to play ball, and his goals over the next 12 months kept us up twice, so he more than paid his fee back.

If the alternative was don't pay it, who would we have got in for less (or better value over the course of a 4-5 year contract) that would have had the same immediate impact?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 04, 2015, 11:46:04 AM

Quote from: aj2k77 on May 04, 2015, 09:49:58 AM

Links with a £12m bid for Robertson, the Hull fullback. I think I can say on behalf of Aston Villa that we won't be signing any £12m fullbacks this summer.

Robertson 12 million? They've been on the funny fags. He's an okay player, nothing more.

And yes, short of a takeover we won't spend that much on a defender I don't think.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 04, 2015, 11:47:03 AM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on May 04, 2015, 10:11:54 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 04, 2015, 08:23:42 AM

Houllier spent the beat part of 30m on bent and makoun. Perhaps bent was the difference in keeping us up but he definitely didn't turn out to warrant that fee in the long run

That was how much it cost to get Sunderland to play ball, and his goals over the next 12 months kept us up twice, so he more than paid his fee back.

If the alternative was don't pay it, who would we have got in for less (or better value over the course of a 4-5 year contract) that would have had the same immediate impact?

This was also the window Torres went for 50 mill and Carroll went for 35 wasn't it? So I think we certainly got our money's worth.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 04, 2015, 01:37:21 PM

Quote from: supertom on May 04, 2015, 11:47:03 AM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on May 04, 2015, 10:11:54 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 04, 2015, 08:23:42 AM

Houllier spent the beat part of 30m on bent and makoun. Perhaps bent was the difference in keeping us up but he definitely didn't turn out to warrant that fee in the long run

That was how much it cost to get Sunderland to play ball, and his goals over the next 12 months kept us up twice, so he more than paid his fee back.

If the alternative was don't pay it, who would we have got in for less (or better value over the course of a 4-5 year contract) that would have had the same immediate impact?

This was also the window Torres went for 50 mill and Carroll went for 35 wasn't it? So I think we certainly got our money's worth.

Suarez for 20m was also that window, so not so great too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 04, 2015, 04:21:03 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on May 04, 2015, 01:37:21 PM

Quote from: supertom on May 04, 2015, 11:47:03 AM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on May 04, 2015, 10:11:54 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 04, 2015, 08:23:42 AM

Houllier spent the beat part of 30m on bent and makoun. Perhaps bent was the difference in keeping us up but he definitely didn't turn out to warrant that fee in the long run

That was how much it cost to get Sunderland to play ball, and his goals over the next 12 months kept us up twice, so he more than paid his fee back.

If the alternative was don't pay it, who would we have got in for less (or better value over the course of a 4-5 year contract) that would have had the same immediate impact?

This was also the window Torres went for 50 mill and Carroll went for 35 wasn't it? So I think we certainly got our money's worth.

Suarez for 20m was also that window, so not so great too.

True but Saurez was something of an unknown quantity at this level coming from the Dutch league. He was very highly rated of course, but I'm not sure people genuinely expected him to end up being one of the top players in the World.

It depends just how we would value a striker. On the amount of games he's played and goals we've got from him in four years, then no Benty probably wasn't up to value. As far as how key his first year of goals was though, he probably was. He saved us from the drop in the first season and his goals in the second season were enough to see us crawl over the line. But this is comparing his value to the hypothetical financial cost of relegations.

Without descending into another Bent debate, the way Lambert and the club handled him wasn't the best. Particularly having him train with the kids in the previous pre-season. It put out a message that we didn't want him (and thus couldn't command any sort of reasonable fee). But certainly, had we cut our losses and recouped at least some cash on Bent before hand, then I think there'd be slightly less debate over whether he proved good value for money or not.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 04, 2015, 04:58:58 PM

If it hadn't been for his goals the first 2 seasons we may have been relegated. That alone made him value for money imo.
A great what if will always be what if we had signed him when he moved to Sunderland. Every chance we'd have made the top 4 and he'd have been perfect at the time. And who knows what would have happened then.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on May 04, 2015, 05:25:37 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 04, 2015, 04:58:58 PM

If it hadn't been for his goals the first 2 seasons we may have been relegated. That alone made him value for money imo.
A great what if will always be what if we had signed him when he moved to Sunderland. Every chance we'd have made the top 4 and he'd have been perfect at the time. And who knows what would have happened then.

and we ended up with Heskey - DOH!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 04, 2015, 06:46:46 PM

As speculation is in the thread title, can I ask how many and what players we need to sign this summer?
My personal view is that we do not need many:

IN
Left back
Midfielder - someone to push Westwood and Sanchez (both of which I would keep)
Cleverly.

OUT
Weimann
Lowton

This would change if more players leave, but at the moment I want to see what Sherwood can get out of the players we have such as Sanchez /Westwood /Gabby /Grelish /Gardner who have been either inconsistent or are unproven.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on May 04, 2015, 06:59:55 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on May 03, 2015, 08:51:57 PM

Fabio Borini is utter shit, how Liverpool nearly got £12m for him is anyone's guess.

He cost them nearly that much in the first place. Ross McCormack and Shane Long came from the same market.

Wonder what kind of prices we would be quoted for the likes of Deeney or Gestede this summer if we need to start planning our Benteke succession planning early?

Not much available in the EPL free transfer bucket this summer, maybe the Garbutt kid from Everton - https://footballfragmento.wordpress.com/2015/04/13/final-premier-league-player-out-of-contract-summer-2015/

Phil Jones might be available for a reasonable price this summer, if he could get over his injury problem he would be a decent replacement for Vlaar I reckon.

Out of our guys with contracts up in 2016, Clark should be tied down long term. Bacuna and Baker have done enough this season to deserve another year. Weimann for one needs a move to get his career going

Players with contracts up in 2016: Shay Given, Charles N’Zogbia, Nathan Baker, Joe Bennett, Ciaran Clark, Philippe Senderos, Kieran Richardson, Janoi Donacien, Yacouba Sylla, Nicklas Helenius, Leandro Bacuna, Joe Cole, Gary Gardner, Andi Weimann, Callum Robinson

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 04, 2015, 07:10:40 PM

Borini is absolutely gash.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on May 04, 2015, 07:20:00 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 04, 2015, 07:10:40 PM

Borini is absolutely gash.

He's not that good

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on May 04, 2015, 07:26:06 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on May 04, 2015, 06:46:46 PM

As speculation is in the thread title, can I ask how many and what players we need to sign this summer?
My personal view is that we do not need many:

IN
Left back
Midfielder - someone to push Westwood and Sanchez (both of which I would keep)
Cleverly.

OUT
Weimann
Lowton

This would change if more players leave, but at the moment I want to see what Sherwood can get out of the players we have such as Sanchez /Westwood /Gabby /Grelish /Gardner who have been either inconsistent or are unproven.

Id let Nzogbia go despite a decent end to the season from him. Though he would be looking at a wage cut if someone like Watford came in for him so its unlikely.

Definitely need a right sided centre half to replace Vlaar and partner Clark. Dont think Okore is quite there yet.

Most of our summer business will hinge around Benteke, I expect Van Gaal will be interested in him this summer.

Would suit the more direct football at Old Trafford these days and they have plenty of makeweights to use in any such deal.

Not sure what Sherwood makes of the goalkeeper situation, would be tough on Guzan but it wouldnt surprise me to see Sherwood look for a keeper better with his feet.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on May 04, 2015, 07:35:37 PM

Left back is the top priority this summer. Doesn't have to be a great player, just someone who can attack and defend well enough. Someone like Hutton.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on May 04, 2015, 07:39:48 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on May 04, 2015, 06:59:55 PM

Not much available in the EPL free transfer bucket this summer, maybe the Garbutt kid from Everton

Well, there's this guy:

Quote

Tom Cleverley

And I wouldn't say no to:

Quote

James Milner

I'd quite happily throw a 12 month contract at Esteban Cambiasso as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SheffieldVillain on May 04, 2015, 07:42:37 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on May 04, 2015, 06:46:46 PM

As speculation is in the thread title, can I ask how many and what players we need to sign this summer?
My personal view is that we do not need many:

IN
Left back
Midfielder - someone to push Westwood and Sanchez (both of which I would keep)
Cleverly.

OUT
Weimann
Lowton

This would change if more players leave, but at the moment I want to see what Sherwood can get out of the players we have such as Sanchez /Westwood /Gabby /Grelish /Gardner who have been either inconsistent or are unproven.

Agree with this - I'd much rather we buy three or four genuinely class players and let Sherwood work with the rest, than go for a complete overhaul.

In - Cleverley, Sinclair, Left Back, Attacking Mid, Centre Half, Striker
Bring back from loan - Bennett, Robinson, Gardner, Helenius
Out - Vlaar (probably unless he suddenly wants to stay in which case keep), Richardson, Cissokho, N'Zog, Bent, Sylla, Tonev

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 04, 2015, 07:43:45 PM

Milner is likely to go to Liverpool. 

Apologies for going there, but he would be ideal in our high pressing/mobile midfield.  It would definitely be worth trying to get both him and Cleverley.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: spangley1812 on May 04, 2015, 07:46:21 PM

I hope that we at least speak to Milner's agent and offer him as much as we can, the captaincy (if it helps) and assurance that he will play every game in centre midfield as I am sure he enjoyed his time here ........ 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SheffieldVillain on May 04, 2015, 07:47:55 PM

Quote from: spangley1812 on May 04, 2015, 07:46:21 PM

I hope that we at least speak to Milner's agent and offer him as much as we can, the captaincy (if it helps) and assurance that he will play every game in centre midfield as I am sure he enjoyed his time here ........ 

The first and third, yes. The captaincy, no way should it be taken off Delph, who could have taken the same career decision as Milner (not that I blame Milner) but instead chose to be loyal to Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on May 04, 2015, 07:49:49 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on May 04, 2015, 07:43:45 PM

Milner is likely to go to Liverpool. 

Well yes, by all accounts it's pretty much agreed already.

But that doesn't mean that it's a list of players without anything to be interested by.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on May 04, 2015, 07:50:24 PM

Mmmmm.. A midfield 3 of Cleverley, Milner and Delph feed front 3 of Grealish, Benteke and Sinclair...nice!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on May 04, 2015, 07:52:33 PM

Quote from: SheffieldVillain on May 04, 2015, 07:47:55 PM

Quote from: spangley1812 on May 04, 2015, 07:46:21 PM

I hope that we at least speak to Milner's agent and offer him as much as we can, the captaincy (if it helps) and assurance that he will play every game in centre midfield as I am sure he enjoyed his time here ........ 

The first and third, yes. The captaincy, no way should it be taken off Delph, who could have taken the same career decision as Milner (not that I blame Milner) but instead chose to be loyal to Villa.

agreed on the captaincy, we wont be able to pay the wages Milner is looking for either so its a moot point

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Risso on May 04, 2015, 07:54:39 PM

You could run the National Grid from the energy produced by Cleverley, Delph and Milner.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: spangley1812 on May 04, 2015, 07:55:28 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on May 04, 2015, 07:52:33 PM

Quote from: SheffieldVillain on May 04, 2015, 07:47:55 PM

Quote from: spangley1812 on May 04, 2015, 07:46:21 PM

I hope that we at least speak to Milner's agent and offer him as much as we can, the captaincy (if it helps) and assurance that he will play every game in centre midfield as I am sure he enjoyed his time here ........ 

The first and third, yes. The captaincy, no way should it be taken off Delph, who could have taken the same career decision as Milner (not that I blame Milner) but instead chose to be loyal to Villa.

agreed on the captaincy, we wont be able to pay the wages Milner is looking for either so its a moot point

I have to disagree iro the wages as he surely has learnt his lesson and earned millions from Citeh to work out that he cant spend anymore time being a "bit-part" player and will take a pay cut if he needs to

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on May 04, 2015, 08:05:33 PM

Quote from: spangley1812 on May 04, 2015, 07:55:28 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on May 04, 2015, 07:52:33 PM

Quote from: SheffieldVillain on May 04, 2015, 07:47:55 PM

Quote from: spangley1812 on May 04, 2015, 07:46:21 PM

I hope that we at least speak to Milner's agent and offer him as much as we can, the captaincy (if it helps) and assurance that he will play every game in centre midfield as I am sure he enjoyed his time here ........ 

The first and third, yes. The captaincy, no way should it be taken off Delph, who could have taken the same career decision as Milner (not that I blame Milner) but instead chose to be loyal to Villa.

agreed on the captaincy, we wont be able to pay the wages Milner is looking for either so its a moot point

I have to disagree iro the wages as he surely has learnt his lesson and earned millions from Citeh to work out that he cant spend anymore time being a "bit-part" player and will take a pay cut if he needs to

What if he doesn't need to, because someone will pay him what he's on now?

Teams are flush and he's free.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on May 04, 2015, 08:07:35 PM

Quote from: spangley1812 on May 04, 2015, 07:55:28 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on May 04, 2015, 07:52:33 PM

Quote from: SheffieldVillain on May 04, 2015, 07:47:55 PM

Quote from: spangley1812 on May 04, 2015, 07:46:21 PM

I hope that we at least speak to Milner's agent and offer him as much as we can, the captaincy (if it helps) and assurance that he will play every game in centre midfield as I am sure he enjoyed his time here ........ 

The first and third, yes. The captaincy, no way should it be taken off Delph, who could have taken the same career decision as Milner (not that I blame Milner) but instead chose to be loyal to Villa.

agreed on the captaincy, we wont be able to pay the wages Milner is looking for either so its a moot point

I have to disagree iro the wages as he surely has learnt his lesson and earned millions from Citeh to work out that he cant spend anymore time being a "bit-part" player and will take a pay cut if he needs to

He has won two league medals and played champs lg, international tournaments as a bit part player. With a vastly inflated bank balance to boot.

Milner sold out to the highest bidder throughout his career and I dont expect that to change this summer.

Id wonder how many years he has left playing that high octane style of his, he must have played 12 seasons or so already.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 04, 2015, 08:07:49 PM

Milner, it's almost hard to believe, is approaching 30. He'd be crazy to hold out for silly wages. He would probably earn more at somewhere like Liverpool and would improve them, but I would hope we could tempt him back here. Put him in a midfield with Delph and Cleverley and we'd have a very good midfield I think. Plenty of energy and quality.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 04, 2015, 08:10:41 PM

Bennet will be an interesting one.  It seems a long time ago but there was a good player in there.  Crucially one whose confidence seemed to have a huge affect on how well/bad he played.  Sherwood might be the right man to get him playing without fear.   

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: spangley1812 on May 04, 2015, 08:12:10 PM

Quote from: LeeB on May 04, 2015, 08:05:33 PM

Quote from: spangley1812 on May 04, 2015, 07:55:28 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on May 04, 2015, 07:52:33 PM

Quote from: SheffieldVillain on May 04, 2015, 07:47:55 PM

Quote from: spangley1812 on May 04, 2015, 07:46:21 PM

I hope that we at least speak to Milner's agent and offer him as much as we can, the captaincy (if it helps) and assurance that he will play every game in centre midfield as I am sure he enjoyed his time here ........ 

The first and third, yes. The captaincy, no way should it be taken off Delph, who could have taken the same career decision as Milner (not that I blame Milner) but instead chose to be loyal to Villa.

agreed on the captaincy, we wont be able to pay the wages Milner is looking for either so its a moot point

I have to disagree iro the wages as he surely has learnt his lesson and earned millions from Citeh to work out that he cant spend anymore time being a "bit-part" player and will take a pay cut if he needs to

What if he doesn't need to, because someone will pay him what he's on now?

Teams are flush and he's free.

He will probably go there but you never know 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SheffieldVillain on May 04, 2015, 08:13:22 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on May 04, 2015, 08:10:41 PM

Bennet will be an interesting one.  It seems a long time ago but there was a good player in there.  Crucially one whose confidence seemed to have a huge affect on how well/bad he played.  Sherwood might be the right man to get him playing without fear.   

He's certainly well worth giving a run in pre-season. If he responds to Sherwood, it gives us a good back-up left back for no further outlay. If not, still time to bomb him out either on a full or a loan.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Londonvilla on May 04, 2015, 11:30:07 PM

Its been said but here are some details
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-join-transfer-chase-5631891

Aston Villa join transfer chase for highly-rated Hull City full-back Andrew Robertson

The 22-year-old Scotland international only joined from Dundee last summer but is attracting the attention of a number of top clubs

Tim Sherwood is eyeing a summer move for Hull City’s highly-rated full-back Andrew Robertson.

Aston Villa boss Sherwood will be given cash to spend if they go on to clinch survival, and is keen to strengthen in several areas.

Scottish international Robertson, 21, has made a huge impression in his first season in the Premier League after joining from Dundee United for £2.85m.

Hull boss Steve Bruce has already admitted they face a struggle to keep Robertson this summer amid interest from the Premier League’s big guns.

The Villans have been watching with interest and are likely to test Hull’s resolve to keep hold of one of their prized assets.

But other big clubs are also likely to consider moves for hot property Robertson this summer.


£6m max........

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on May 04, 2015, 11:37:31 PM

When I read that Cresswell is being looked at by Chelsea and Arsenal for £20 million plus I thought it was madness. Then a bloke at Hull I have never heard of is being linked to us for £12 million. The world has gone barking mad. There has to be a decent full back out there for 4-5 million that would be nice and solid and decent ish going forward.

We will need a centre mid with the energy and style of Cleverley and Delph, 2 if TC doesn't sign. A left back clearly is a must. A striker in the Gabby mould unless we sign Sinclair, then a striker in the Benteke mould. Whichever, we need a decent athletic forward with pace and strength if either of them are out.

We may also need another tip of the diamond type. Gil will leave I am sure, Sherwood is clearly not a fan. Grealish will have a dip at some point, so that type of player will be required.

4-5 in, 4-5 out this summer I reckon.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on May 05, 2015, 02:50:42 AM

Quote from: ozzjim link=topic=54042.ms[quote author=ozzjim on May 04, 2015, 11:37:31 PM

When I read that Cresswell is being looked at by Chelsea and Arsenal for £20 million plus I thought it was madness. Then a bloke at Hull I have never heard of is being linked to us for £12 million. The world has gone barking mad. There has to be a decent full back out there for 4-5 million that would be nice and solid and decent ish going forward.

I bet you could find plenty of them on the continent for that sort of price...but obviously the problem with that is that there's much greater risk with them if you don't scout properly.

The Milner thing is a pipe-dream, but even if we do lure him back (presumably because new ownership is spunking on wages) and Cleverley stays, I'm not sure I'd actually be that comfortable with the midfield balance. I think Cleverley and Delph are really benefitting from the fact that Westwood or Sanchez have the discipline to free them up to charge around the place and do their damage, whereas if you play three duracell bunnies in midfield, one of them would have to limit themselves severely to make it work. Obviously it'd be nice to have a clear upgrade on either of those two though.

I really do hope that Gil works his way into Sherwood's plans: I expect Grealish to have some growing pains next season, so we'll need backup. Another winger-cum-forward (Sinclair and/or Sako?) would be handy as well; and hopefully Kozak/Robinson/Gabby is sufficient backup for Benteke.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on May 05, 2015, 06:15:23 AM

If this Robertson guy is so good why isn't he starting for hull?

Milner seems very unlikely. He could go to a top six side I'm sure

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 05, 2015, 07:01:25 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 05, 2015, 06:15:23 AM

If this Robertson guy is so good why isn't he starting for hull?

Milner seems very unlikely. He could go to a top six side I'm sure

Good question on Roberston.

As for Milner I am not so sure. It still surprises me just how poorly he is rated by non Villa/Man City fans. To the point of him being almost a joke figure out there. If he goes to Liverpool I think he will be treated badly. I don't think its crazy to imagine he might choose to come back to us if a reasonable offer was made.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on May 05, 2015, 07:17:25 AM

Can't we just have a dedicated James Milner wankfest thread and have done with it? I love the guy but he's never coming back is he?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 05, 2015, 08:11:59 AM

Sterling looks like he wants to get away from Anfield. He'd be great to have as an option on our bench.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: DrGonzo on May 05, 2015, 10:01:24 AM

Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 05, 2015, 08:11:59 AM

Sterling looks like he wants to get away from Anfield. He'd be great to have as an option on our bench.

Surely we have better prospects in our youth system??  That's one of the problems with the PL buying in talent and not giving youth a chance.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on May 05, 2015, 10:12:09 AM

Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 05, 2015, 08:11:59 AM

Sterling looks like he wants to get away from Anfield. He'd be great to have as an option on our bench.

A couple of LFC fans we were drinking with after the cup game, were saying that the leaks from the club were that Sterling wanted £200k a week or a move to Real Madrid, neither of which they thought him worth.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Gregorys Boy on May 05, 2015, 10:28:27 AM

Quote from: PeterWithe on May 05, 2015, 10:12:09 AM

Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 05, 2015, 08:11:59 AM

Sterling looks like he wants to get away from Anfield. He'd be great to have as an option on our bench.

A couple of LFC fans we were drinking with after the cup game, were saying that the leaks from the club were that Sterling wanted £200k a week or a move to Real Madrid, neither of which they thought him worth.

Yeah I don't actually think he's had a great season Sterling.  He started very well, but has been a bit hit and miss in the second half, and only has eight goals.  I know for a winger that isn't bad, but for a player rated as highly as him it could be better.  Actually think that Cortineo is Liverpool's best player right now.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Boz on May 05, 2015, 10:31:31 AM

Quote from: brontebilly on May 04, 2015, 06:59:55 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on May 03, 2015, 08:51:57 PM

Fabio Borini is utter shit, how Liverpool nearly got £12m for him is anyone's guess.

He cost them nearly that much in the first place. Ross McCormack and Shane Long came from the same market.

Wonder what kind of prices we would be quoted for the likes of Deeney or Gestede this summer if we need to start planning our Benteke succession planning early?

Not much available in the EPL free transfer bucket this summer, maybe the Garbutt kid from Everton - https://footballfragmento.wordpress.com/2015/04/13/final-premier-league-player-out-of-contract-summer-2015/

Phil Jones might be available for a reasonable price this summer, if he could get over his injury problem he would be a decent replacement for Vlaar I reckon.

Out of our guys with contracts up in 2016, Clark should be tied down long term. Bacuna and Baker have done enough this season to deserve another year. Weimann for one needs a move to get his career going

Players with contracts up in 2016: Shay Given, Charles N’Zogbia, Nathan Baker, Joe Bennett, Ciaran Clark, Philippe Senderos, Kieran Richardson, Janoi Donacien, Yacouba Sylla, Nicklas Helenius, Leandro Bacuna, Joe Cole, Gary Gardner, Andi Weimann, Callum Robinson

Although it's all opinions, Jones is overrated in mine. He's another who if he wasn't at ManUre he'd just be another average defender and not in the England squad.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on May 05, 2015, 10:38:36 AM

Quote from: PeterWithe on May 05, 2015, 10:12:09 AM

Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 05, 2015, 08:11:59 AM

Sterling looks like he wants to get away from Anfield. He'd be great to have as an option on our bench.

A couple of LFC fans we were drinking with after the cup game, were saying that the leaks from the club were that Sterling wanted £200k a week or a move to Real Madrid, neither of which they thought him worth.

I also came down on a train full of scousers, not one of them said Sterling was as good as he thinks he is,
amazingly they all liked Milner, which surprised me as I thought they would be only interested in marquee names
 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on May 05, 2015, 10:39:02 AM

Any news on the GK plans ?

Has Ben Siegrist been offered a new deal ?

Will Jed Steer be sent out on loan again ?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Gregorys Boy on May 05, 2015, 10:39:26 AM

Quote from: Boz on May 05, 2015, 10:31:31 AM

Quote from: brontebilly on May 04, 2015, 06:59:55 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on May 03, 2015, 08:51:57 PM

Fabio Borini is utter shit, how Liverpool nearly got £12m for him is anyone's guess.

He cost them nearly that much in the first place. Ross McCormack and Shane Long came from the same market.

Wonder what kind of prices we would be quoted for the likes of Deeney or Gestede this summer if we need to start planning our Benteke succession planning early?

Not much available in the EPL free transfer bucket this summer, maybe the Garbutt kid from Everton - https://footballfragmento.wordpress.com/2015/04/13/final-premier-league-player-out-of-contract-summer-2015/

Phil Jones might be available for a reasonable price this summer, if he could get over his injury problem he would be a decent replacement for Vlaar I reckon.

Out of our guys with contracts up in 2016, Clark should be tied down long term. Bacuna and Baker have done enough this season to deserve another year. Weimann for one needs a move to get his career going

Players with contracts up in 2016: Shay Given, Charles N’Zogbia, Nathan Baker, Joe Bennett, Ciaran Clark, Philippe Senderos, Kieran Richardson, Janoi Donacien, Yacouba Sylla, Nicklas Helenius, Leandro Bacuna, Joe Cole, Gary Gardner, Andi Weimann, Callum Robinson

Although it's all opinions, Jones is overrated in mine. He's another who if he wasn't at ManUre he'd just be another average defender and not in the England squad.

Agree on Jones, he just hasn't progressed how people predicted.  I rate Smally more out of the two.

As for the Milner thing? Yeah good player, flexible, and his energy levels are more consistent than many players, plus he will always put in a shift, but I don't think he is the sort of player we are looking for right now.  His final ball was never the best, and his goal scoring record was in different, so I think we might have better wingers anyway.  He could do a tidy job in centre mid, or playing off the striker depending on the game, but it just feels like he wouldn't be offering us too much new.  Think we need more of a consistent goal threat from midfield.  Don't think he would come back now I think he could attract a top six club easily, someone like Everton or Southampton would be a good fit for him.

Not to put a downer on his recent good form, but I would still move Cleverly on in the summer.  I just don't see his good form lasting.  I think he has been lifted by Sherwood, but I just don't rate him and so think the novelity value will soon wear off.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: oldhill_avfc on May 05, 2015, 10:56:23 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on May 04, 2015, 06:46:46 PM

As speculation is in the thread title, can I ask how many and what players we need to sign this summer?
My personal view is that we do not need many:

IN
Left back
Midfielder - someone to push Westwood and Sanchez (both of which I would keep)
Cleverly.

OUT
Weimann
Lowton

This would change if more players leave, but at the moment I want to see what Sherwood can get out of the players we have such as Sanchez /Westwood /Gabby /Grelish /Gardner who have been either inconsistent or are unproven.

I think this is spot on for starters, although I'd add a forward to replace Weiman to the IN column.

Looking at the 'official' squad there are a number of positions which need sorting admittedly as a lower priority.  So, hopefully Sherwood will go a lot further and address the following:

GK
Out: One of Guzan or Given (Hopefully Guzan will regain form - if not we dont need 2 reserve keepers.)
In: younger replacement

Defenders
Out: Lowton, bennett, cissoko, hutton, senderos
In: solid LB & RB

Midfielders
Out: Cole, sylla, herd
If we get a new CM then decide on westwood or Sanchez
if we get a new forward then get rid of  N'zog or Gil or both

Forwards
Out: Weiman, Gabby if get new forward and Kozak fit and playing well.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Gregorys Boy on May 05, 2015, 11:00:51 AM

Quote from: oldhill_avfc on May 05, 2015, 10:56:23 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on May 04, 2015, 06:46:46 PM

As speculation is in the thread title, can I ask how many and what players we need to sign this summer?
My personal view is that we do not need many:

IN
Left back
Midfielder - someone to push Westwood and Sanchez (both of which I would keep)
Cleverly.

OUT
Weimann
Lowton

This would change if more players leave, but at the moment I want to see what Sherwood can get out of the players we have such as Sanchez /Westwood /Gabby /Grelish /Gardner who have been either inconsistent or are unproven.

I think this is spot on for starters, although I'd add a forward to replace Weiman to the IN column.

Looking at the 'official' squad there are a number of positions which need sorting admittedly as a lower priority.  So, hopefully Sherwood will go a lot further and address the following:

GK
Out: One of Guzan or Given (Hopefully Guzan will regain form - if not we dont need 2 reserve keepers.)
In: younger replacement

Defenders
Out: Lowton, bennett, cissoko, hutton, senderos
In: solid LB & RB

Midfielders
Out: Cole, sylla, herd
If we get a new CM then decide on westwood or Sanchez
if we get a new forward then get rid of  N'zog or Gil or both

Forwards
Out: Weiman, Gabby if get new forward and Kozak fit and playing well.

Can't agree with the Guzan/Given one.  Guzan hasn't been as good this season, but still has saved us crucial points at times, and I think he will just get better.  Given is one of the best older keepers in the league and a relieable back up.  He is a good character to have around the place too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 05, 2015, 11:01:00 AM

Cole's got another year and is worth keeping around for the influence he's having on Jack IMO.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Gregorys Boy on May 05, 2015, 11:01:53 AM

Quote from: Duncan Shaw on May 05, 2015, 11:01:00 AM

Cole's got another year and is worth keeping around for the influence he's having on Jack IMO.

Yeah agree with this.  As a squad player I think he is fine.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: oldhill_avfc on May 05, 2015, 11:04:29 AM

Quote from: Gregorys Boy on May 05, 2015, 11:00:51 AM

Quote from: oldhill_avfc on May 05, 2015, 10:56:23 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on May 04, 2015, 06:46:46 PM

As speculation is in the thread title, can I ask how many and what players we need to sign this summer?
My personal view is that we do not need many:

IN
Left back
Midfielder - someone to push Westwood and Sanchez (both of which I would keep)
Cleverly.

OUT
Weimann
Lowton

This would change if more players leave, but at the moment I want to see what Sherwood can get out of the players we have such as Sanchez /Westwood /Gabby /Grelish /Gardner who have been either inconsistent or are unproven.

I think this is spot on for starters, although I'd add a forward to replace Weiman to the IN column.

Looking at the 'official' squad there are a number of positions which need sorting admittedly as a lower priority.  So, hopefully Sherwood will go a lot further and address the following:

GK
Out: One of Guzan or Given (Hopefully Guzan will regain form - if not we dont need 2 reserve keepers.)
In: younger replacement

Defenders
Out: Lowton, bennett, cissoko, hutton, senderos
In: solid LB & RB

Midfielders
Out: Cole, sylla, herd
If we get a new CM then decide on westwood or Sanchez
if we get a new forward then get rid of  N'zog or Gil or both

Forwards
Out: Weiman, Gabby if get new forward and Kozak fit and playing well.

Can't agree with the Guzan/Given one.  Guzan hasn't been as good this season, but still has saved us crucial points at times, and I think he will just get better.  Given is one of the best older keepers in the league and a relieable back up.  He is a good character to have around the place too.

As I said, hopefully Guzan will regain form and be back to #1.  In that case though, at the right time (I said it wasn't a priority) then you have to look at replacing Given as nobody goes on forever.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SheffieldVillain on May 05, 2015, 11:04:48 AM

Quote from: Gregorys Boy on May 05, 2015, 11:01:53 AM

Quote from: Duncan Shaw on May 05, 2015, 11:01:00 AM

Cole's got another year and is worth keeping around for the influence he's having on Jack IMO.

Yeah agree with this.  As a squad player I think he is fine.

Yep. I'd keep Given and Cole around too. If, as is likely, Sherwood is going to focus on giving young players a chance, there need to be some experienced pros to guide them off the pitch as well as on.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on May 05, 2015, 11:18:08 AM

Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 05, 2015, 08:11:59 AM

Sterling looks like he wants to get away from Anfield. He'd be great to have as an option on our bench.

No thanks he is Spurs/Everton level. Not for us!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Billy Walker on May 05, 2015, 11:53:53 AM

Sterling is a third rate Tony Daley, indeed, he is not fit to lace Tony's boots.

In the fantasy land of tabloid football journalism, Liverpool are going to sell Sterling for fifty million and sign Benteke for 20-25million, James Milner and A.N. Other?  It is so bat-shit crazy that you just have to smile.  I feel a little bit sorry for the delusional scousers who swallow this kind of stuff. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Billy Walker on May 05, 2015, 12:03:27 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on May 05, 2015, 07:17:25 AM

Can't we just have a dedicated James Milner wankfest thread and have done with it? I love the guy but he's never coming back is he?

A very good player in his day but it makes no sense to sign a player pushing thirty on big wages.  We got the best of him, I reckon.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve R on May 05, 2015, 12:20:46 PM

I we're safe by the time we play Burnley, and 4 points should do it, then I can see some players being rested, notably Benteke, Delph and Vlaar.

It's therefore unlikely we will get 7 points.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 05, 2015, 12:33:32 PM

Although we are playing Burnley, who will be relegated by then, so we could/should still win even if we rest a few players.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on May 05, 2015, 12:47:47 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 05, 2015, 12:33:32 PM

Although we are playing Burnley, who will be relegated by then, so we could/should still win even if we rest a few players.

....and what's that got to do with Summer 2015 transfer speculation?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on May 05, 2015, 03:06:37 PM

Quote from: Gregorys Boy on May 05, 2015, 10:39:26 AM

As for the Milner thing? Yeah good player, flexible, and his energy levels are more consistent than many players, plus he will always put in a shift, but I don't think he is the sort of player we are looking for right now.  His final ball was never the best, and his goal scoring record was in different, so I think we might have better wingers anyway.  He could do a tidy job in centre mid, or playing off the striker depending on the game, but it just feels like he wouldn't be offering us too much new.  Think we need more of a consistent goal threat from midfield.  Don't think he would come back now I think he could attract a top six club easily, someone like Everton or Southampton would be a good fit for him.

I think Milner would be the ideal player to fill the position as the holding midfielder alongside Delph and Cleverly...someone with a good head on his shoulders who tackle, retain possession and distribute. He also likes to push forward so would be ideal to support attacks and not afraid to have a shot from distance.

It would be great if it happened, but more wishful thinking than anything. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 05, 2015, 03:30:59 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on May 05, 2015, 10:12:09 AM

Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 05, 2015, 08:11:59 AM

Sterling looks like he wants to get away from Anfield. He'd be great to have as an option on our bench.

A couple of LFC fans we were drinking with after the cup game, were saying that the leaks from the club were that Sterling wanted £200k a week or a move to Real Madrid, neither of which they thought him worth.

Some of them think Benteke would be a good signing but only to sit on their bench next season. Personally, I'd have Benteke starting over Sterling every day of the week.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 05, 2015, 03:35:47 PM

Can we have M*lners name scrubbed from the board a bit like Steve Hodge

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 05, 2015, 03:36:19 PM

Obviously they are nothing alike Im just sick of them both

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Karl Bridges on May 05, 2015, 03:40:59 PM

Robertson is a fantastic attacking full back. Came from Dundee Utd and is just like a winger when he attacks. Not for £12m though

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on May 05, 2015, 03:55:57 PM

I like that Alonso chappy who played for Bolton and Sunderland. I think he's over in Italy now.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on May 05, 2015, 06:32:20 PM

Quote from: Gregorys Boy on May 05, 2015, 10:39:26 AM

Quote from: Boz on May 05, 2015, 10:31:31 AM

Quote from: brontebilly on May 04, 2015, 06:59:55 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on May 03, 2015, 08:51:57 PM

Fabio Borini is utter shit, how Liverpool nearly got £12m for him is anyone's guess.

He cost them nearly that much in the first place. Ross McCormack and Shane Long came from the same market.

Wonder what kind of prices we would be quoted for the likes of Deeney or Gestede this summer if we need to start planning our Benteke succession planning early?

Not much available in the EPL free transfer bucket this summer, maybe the Garbutt kid from Everton - https://footballfragmento.wordpress.com/2015/04/13/final-premier-league-player-out-of-contract-summer-2015/

Phil Jones might be available for a reasonable price this summer, if he could get over his injury problem he would be a decent replacement for Vlaar I reckon.

Out of our guys with contracts up in 2016, Clark should be tied down long term. Bacuna and Baker have done enough this season to deserve another year. Weimann for one needs a move to get his career going

Players with contracts up in 2016: Shay Given, Charles N’Zogbia, Nathan Baker, Joe Bennett, Ciaran Clark, Philippe Senderos, Kieran Richardson, Janoi Donacien, Yacouba Sylla, Nicklas Helenius, Leandro Bacuna, Joe Cole, Gary Gardner, Andi Weimann, Callum Robinson

Although it's all opinions, Jones is overrated in mine. He's another who if he wasn't at ManUre he'd just be another average defender and not in the England squad.

Agree on Jones, he just hasn't progressed how people predicted.  I rate Smally more out of the two.

Not to put a downer on his recent good form, but I would still move Cleverly on in the summer.  I just don't see his good form lasting.  I think he has been lifted by Sherwood, but I just don't rate him and so think the novelity value will soon wear off.

Van Gaal seems to rate Smalling higher too, Jones was very good at Blackburn early on. Suffered by moving around from full back, midfield and centre back I reckon. Positionally is a bit iffy but is a beast physically. Clark is a good organiser and would be a good partnership I reckon. All dependent on the price of course which could be ridiculous due to his nationality.

Not sure about Cleverley, at best he has had five games when he has been better than average. Are we supposed to ignore his form under Lambert or is this just him playing for a new contract? His performance against Everton was his best in a Villa shirt to be fair, finally delivering the attacking promise I thought we were getting when we got him in the summer. Always the danger he could slip back into the passive sideways player he was for the most of this season.

I wouldnt be surprised to see Gil, Cissokho, Sanchez and Kozak depart this summer, maybe on loan initially. Unless we are in Europe of course where there will be plenty of games for everyone.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frank black on May 05, 2015, 06:41:12 PM

Sanchez is going nowhere. Sherwood quite rightly rates him. A few pedestrian passes aside I like him.

Priority will be a left back and a top class centre forward.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 05, 2015, 07:28:09 PM

There's no way Kozak or Sanchez are going anywhere. I wouldn't be surprised to see Kozak in the squad for Burnley. And if he has found a way to get the ball to Benteke, Sherwood will find a way to make use of Kozak's size and instinct in the penalty area. He was proving himself to be quite effective under Lambert in the few games he played.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on May 05, 2015, 07:43:56 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 05, 2015, 07:28:09 PM

There's no way Kozak or Sanchez are going anywhere. I wouldn't be surprised to see Kozak in the squad for Burnley. And if he has found a way to get the ball to Benteke, Sherwood will find a way to make use of Kozak's size and instinct in the penalty area. He was proving himself to be quite effective under Lambert in the few games he played.

Agree with this. Kozak will be given the chance to cement a place on the squad.
Bennett deserves another shot, IMO, as does GG.

What's the story with Jed Steer? - is he prospect as GK or is he not good enough?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on May 05, 2015, 10:19:38 PM

Gardner's form warrants a chance

Has Bennett done anything?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard E on May 05, 2015, 10:26:08 PM

Quote from: Mister E on May 05, 2015, 07:43:56 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 05, 2015, 07:28:09 PM

There's no way Kozak or Sanchez are going anywhere. I wouldn't be surprised to see Kozak in the squad for Burnley. And if he has found a way to get the ball to Benteke, Sherwood will find a way to make use of Kozak's size and instinct in the penalty area. He was proving himself to be quite effective under Lambert in the few games he played.

Agree with this. Kozak will be given the chance to cement a place on the squad.
Bennett deserves another shot, IMO, as does GG.

What's the story with Jed Steer? - is he prospect as GK or is he not good enough?

Kozak will come off the bench to score the winner at Wembley. Tis written in the stars.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Londonvilla on May 05, 2015, 10:34:44 PM

Quote from: oldhill_avfc on May 05, 2015, 10:56:23 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on May 04, 2015, 06:46:46 PM

As speculation is in the thread title, can I ask how many and what players we need to sign this summer?
My personal view is that we do not need many:

IN
Left back
Midfielder - someone to push Westwood and Sanchez (both of which I would keep)
Cleverly.

OUT
Weimann
Lowton

This would change if more players leave, but at the moment I want to see what Sherwood can get out of the players we have such as Sanchez /Westwood /Gabby /Grelish /Gardner who have been either inconsistent or are unproven.

I think this is spot on for starters, although I'd add a forward to replace Weiman to the IN column.

Looking at the 'official' squad there are a number of positions which need sorting admittedly as a lower priority.  So, hopefully Sherwood will go a lot further and address the following:

GK
Out: One of Guzan or Given (Hopefully Guzan will regain form - if not we dont need 2 reserve keepers.)
In: younger replacement

Defenders
Out: Lowton, bennett, cissoko, hutton, senderos
In: solid LB & RB

Midfielders
Out: Cole, sylla, herd
If we get a new CM then decide on westwood or Sanchez
if we get a new forward then get rid of  N'zog or Gil or both

Forwards
Out: Weiman, Gabby if get new forward and Kozak fit and playing well.

We need most of these player for the europa league

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on May 05, 2015, 10:48:08 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 05, 2015, 10:19:38 PM

Gardner's form warrants a chance

Has Bennett done anything?

I'd like to have another look at Gardner as I think he's got talent. Bennett on the other hand just isn't Premier League class and never will be, in my opinion.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 05, 2015, 10:54:31 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 05, 2015, 10:48:08 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 05, 2015, 10:19:38 PM

Gardner's form warrants a chance

Has Bennett done anything?

I'd like to have another look at Gardner as I think he's got talent. Bennett on the other hand just isn't Premier League class and never will be, in my opinion.

I'd be somewhat inclined though to wipe the slate clean for a couple of those players. We are seeing what a huge difference there is from the same set of players listing aimlessly towards the Championship. You might be proved right off course but then again Bale was heading to Blues, so change can happen*


*disclaimer - not remotely suggesting Bennett could become a Bale

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on May 06, 2015, 08:01:27 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 05, 2015, 10:54:31 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 05, 2015, 10:48:08 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 05, 2015, 10:19:38 PM

Gardner's form warrants a chance

Has Bennett done anything?

I'd like to have another look at Gardner as I think he's got talent. Bennett on the other hand just isn't Premier League class and never will be, in my opinion.

I'd be somewhat inclined though to wipe the slate clean for a couple of those players. We are seeing what a huge difference there is from the same set of players listing aimlessly towards the Championship. You might be proved right off course but then again Bale was heading to Blues, so change can happen*


*disclaimer - not remotely suggesting Bennett could become a Bale

The key thing for me is that both Bennett and Luna showed glimpses of being very capable fullbacks, but both were full of defensive errors and every mistake saw them look more and more nervous.  I think it's well worth looking at them (and cissokho) in pre-season and seeing if 1 of the 3 can step up and be part of the squad, then I'd let the other 2 move on and let keep richardson as the alternative. I know he's not great either but he's got a lot of experience and is solid enough as an option.

I'd personally only be looking at a couple of signings this summer (after keeping cleverley and sinclair).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 06, 2015, 10:01:28 AM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 05, 2015, 10:48:08 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 05, 2015, 10:19:38 PM

Gardner's form warrants a chance

Has Bennett done anything?

I'd like to have another look at Gardner as I think he's got talent. Bennett on the other hand just isn't Premier League class and never will be, in my opinion.

I agree on Gardner.

He had horrific injury problems, was given a two year contract despite that and then sent on loan to the Championship to show what he could do. From what we can see, he's done very well indeed there.

Whether that's a good reflection on whether or not he can do it at the top level is a different thing, but in his defence, he has done absolutely everything we could have asked of him - and, what's more, if doing it in the championship was never going to be of any relevance, why did we send him there?

As for Bennett, I found him deeply unconvincing when he was here, and don't know what his contract length is, but same with him, if he's done what we asked of him, then he deserves a shout.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 06, 2015, 02:13:32 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 06, 2015, 10:01:28 AM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 05, 2015, 10:48:08 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 05, 2015, 10:19:38 PM

Gardner's form warrants a chance

Has Bennett done anything?

I'd like to have another look at Gardner as I think he's got talent. Bennett on the other hand just isn't Premier League class and never will be, in my opinion.

I agree on Gardner.

He had horrific injury problems, was given a two year contract despite that and then sent on loan to the Championship to show what he could do. From what we can see, he's done very well indeed there.

Whether that's a good reflection on whether or not he can do it at the top level is a different thing, but in his defence, he has done absolutely everything we could have asked of him - and, what's more, if doing it in the championship was never going to be of any relevance, why did we send him there?

As for Bennett, I found him deeply unconvincing when he was here, and don't know what his contract length is, but same with him, if he's done what we asked of him, then he deserves a shout.

I agree, any player who is set a task and then excels at that task deserves a chance.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: DrGonzo on May 06, 2015, 05:43:08 PM

  With 12 months left on his contract it is hardly worth cashing in, he might as well be given until christmas to see what he is capable of, and whether a contract extension is warranted.  Hopefully the confidence he has gained from the last few months will spur him on to break through at the highest level. It would also create a decent level of competition for starting places in the central midfield.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Gregorys Boy on May 07, 2015, 04:43:12 AM

Quote from: SheffieldVillain on May 05, 2015, 11:04:48 AM

Quote from: Gregorys Boy on May 05, 2015, 11:01:53 AM

Quote from: Duncan Shaw on May 05, 2015, 11:01:00 AM

Cole's got another year and is worth keeping around for the influence he's having on Jack IMO.

Yeah agree with this.  As a squad player I think he is fine.

Yep. I'd keep Given and Cole around too. If, as is likely, Sherwood is going to focus on giving young players a chance, there need to be some experienced pros to guide them off the pitch as well as on.

That is what concerns me a little about some of the names we are being linked with.  It was relaying too much on youth which has been one of the reasons we have been in such danger of the drop in recent years, and if we go down that road again the same might happen.  As it is the squad looks reasonable right now, but if we lost one or two of our better players then we need to be replacing them with the right kind.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Londonvilla on May 07, 2015, 09:20:34 PM

Swindon Town star Massimo Luongo comments on rumours of Aston Villa transfer

http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2015/05/07/swindon-town-star-massimo-luongo-comments-on-rumours-of-aston-vi/

Swindon Town ace Massimo Luongo has admitted that recent transfer speculation has affected his performance.

Swindon Town midfielder Massimo Luongo has told The Sun that recent rumours of a move to Aston Villa have been affecting him.

Luongo, 22, has been one of the stars of the League One season, contributing six goals for the Robins as Mark Cooper's men push for promotion to the Championship.

Yet with Swindon set to face Sheffield United in the first leg of the play-off semi-finals tonight, Luongo has admitted that recent transfer speculation is bothering him.

The Daily Mail recently reported that Aston Villa boss Tim Sherwood is looking to reunite with Luongo this summer, having worked with the Australian international at Tottenham.

Having left White Hart Lane in search of first team football, Luongo has shown why is regarded as one of the Football League's finest young playmakers, so it's no surprise to read that Sherwood is allegedly interested in adding him to his squad at Aston Villa.

However, with the transfer window drawing ever closer, Luongo has told The Sun that the rumours about a move to Villa Park have affected him, and he needs to put the thoughts of a reunion with Sherwood to the back of his mind, and focus on Swindon's play-off campaign.

"The speculation has all been playing on my mind a little bit and I just have to force myself not to worry about it," said Luongo. "I need to fully focus on Swindon and do my bit to get us promoted."

"It has all been a distraction. I do my best not to think about it but it’s human nature to ponder over these things and think about the future. Some fans have been criticising me a bit for my performances but I always do my best," he added.

Would Luongo be a good signing for Aston Villa?

Has anyone seen him?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Londonvilla on May 07, 2015, 09:24:02 PM

Report: Aston Villa interested in signing Real Madrid striker Jese Rodriguez on loan

http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2015/05/07/report-aston-villa-interested-in-signing-real-madrid-striker-jes/

The talented forward has been linked with a loan move to Villa Park.

Aston Villa are being linked with a move for a Spanish striker this week, as reports in Spain claim they are keen on the signature of Real Madrid youngster Jese Rodriguez.

The 22-year-old is being linked with a move to Villa by Spanish source Punto Pelota. The Real star is highly rated in the Spanish capital but has recently seen his playing time battered by injury and competition for places.

He suffered a serious knee injury in March 2014 which kept him out of action for most of the year.

Now he has a fight on his hands to get ahead of the strikers at the Champions League winners, with Cristiano Ronaldo, Karim Benzema, Javier Hernandez and Gareth Bale all ahead in the pecking order.

Aston Villa could certainly do with some more attacking talent, but a loan move for Jese would come as something of a surprise.

The club have one Spanish talent at the moment in Carles Gil who cannot buy a game and Jese is a similar style of player to Gabriel Agbonlahor - with Tim Sherwood unlikely to hold back any homegrown players for someone borrowed from Spain.

This transfer rumour will struggle to stand the test of time.

Would you like to see Jese at Villa?

Jese is a similar style of player to Gabriel Agbonlahor

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on May 07, 2015, 09:24:37 PM

OUT: if we stay up

Given
Guzan
Lowton
Hutton
Cissokho
Senderos
NZogbia
Weimann
Bent
Kozak

the last won't go because he's been injured but if truth be told I didn't think he'd do it for us anyway.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Londonvilla on May 07, 2015, 09:29:07 PM

Quote from: peter w on May 07, 2015, 09:24:37 PM

OUT: if we stay up

Given
Guzan
Lowton
Hutton
Cissokho
Senderos
NZogbia
Weimann
Bent
Kozak

the last won't go because he's been injured but if truth be told I didn't think he'd do it for us anyway.

We need player for the europa league which we will be playing in when we beat arsenal

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on May 07, 2015, 09:31:09 PM

yeah we won't sell all of those but for me the one's we keep are a starting point of a good team. these need to be improved upon.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on May 07, 2015, 09:31:22 PM

Quote from: peter w on May 07, 2015, 09:24:37 PM

OUT: if we stay up

Given
Guzan
Lowton
Hutton
Cissokho
Senderos
NZogbia
Weimann
Bent
Kozak

the last won't go because he's been injured but if truth be told I didn't think he'd do it for us anyway.

What makes you say that? He's not played that many games and when he did, he scored a couple.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Londonvilla on May 07, 2015, 09:31:43 PM

Report: Aston Villa will make offer for highly-rated Derby County midfielder Jeff Hendrick

http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2015/05/07/report-aston-villa-will-make-offer-for-highly-rated-derby-county/

Aston Villa are reportedly readying a move for highly-rated Derby County midfielder Jeff Hendrick following the Rams' failure to make the play-offs.

According to the Sun, as quoted by AOL, Aston Villa will offer Jeff Hendrick the chance to live his Premier League dream after missing out on the play-offs with Derby County.

The 23-year-old has been ever-present in the Rams' team this season, with seven goals from 41 appearances, but could now fly the nest after the club failed to win promotion to the Premier League despite being the early season favourites.

Tim Sherwood is set to ring the changes at Villa following a largely disappointing season and looks to have identified the box-to-box midfielder as a player he would like to see in claret and blue.

Would Jeff Hendrick be a good signing for Aston Villa?

Hendrick is a player with good pedigree but he does have a tendency to blow hot and cold during games.

He is technically a superb footballer and his skillset would allow him to make the jump up to the Premier League with ease. However, he is slightly prone to go missing during games and lacks the ability to play in a two-man midfield.


Nevertheless, should he sign, he certainly has potential Sherwood could work with in order to develop him into an established Premier League midfielder.

It would be a big blow to Derby if the midfielder goes and they will no doubt ask to be compensated well for his services.

Do you think Aston Villa will sign Jeff Hendrick this summer?

According to the Sun

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on May 07, 2015, 09:35:04 PM

Quote from: Clampy on May 07, 2015, 09:31:22 PM

Quote from: peter w on May 07, 2015, 09:24:37 PM

OUT: if we stay up

Given
Guzan
Lowton
Hutton
Cissokho
Senderos
NZogbia
Weimann
Bent
Kozak

the last won't go because he's been injured but if truth be told I didn't think he'd do it for us anyway.

What makes you say that? He's not played that many games and when he did, he scored a couple.

Just don't fancy him. think we'd have to play a style of football that Sherwood wouldn't employ. he'd be our Savo without the meat footwork. he needs  slower build up to be really effective and although he's had his moments i've never really been convinced.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Londonvilla on May 07, 2015, 09:45:13 PM

Report: West Ham and Aston Villa want Rudy Gestede

http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2015/05/05/report-west-ham-aston-villa-want-rudy-gestede/

The 20-goal striker is reportedly interesting a number of Premier League clubs.
West Ham and Aston Villa are interested in Blackburn Rovers striker Rudy Gestede, according to the Daily Mail.

The 26-year-old is said to be wanted by a number of Premier League clubs, having had bids from top-flight sides rejected for him by Blackburn in January.

Gestede, say the Mail, is valued at £7 million and scored 20 league goals for Rovers, as well as impressing against Premier League sides in the FA Cup.

West Ham United have made contact over his availability and are considering him as an option as well as Javier Hernandez, the Manchester United striker currently on loan at Real Madrid. Aston Villa, too, are in for the Blackburn man, the Mail's report claims.

As Opta stats show, Gestede is the Championship's fourth-top scorer this season - and the divide between the second tier and the Premier League is debatable. Some strikers can't make the breakthrough but those with the talent and potential can branch the divide without problem.

Charlie Austin is the perfect example and Gestede's aerial prowess (359 headers won) is absolutely perfect for Tim Sherwood at Aston Villa, considering what he has done with Christian Benteke.

Should Sam Allardyce remain at West Ham, the 26-year-old would also fit the bill at Upton Park - like Andy Carroll only with the potential to stay fit longer. That, though, depends on Big Sam's future

according to the Daily Mail.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john2710 on May 07, 2015, 09:45:20 PM

Hutton won't be going anywhere but the following will;
Lowton
Weimann
Hurd
Bennett
Bent
Benteke
Luna
Hellnius
Tonev
Cole

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Londonvilla on May 07, 2015, 09:48:39 PM

Quote from: john2710 on May 07, 2015, 09:45:20 PM

Hutton won't be going anywhere but the following will;
Lowton
Weimann
Hurd
Bennett
Bent
Benteke
Luna
Hellnius
Tonev
Cole

Well one of them is not coming back

Nicklas Helenius not wanted back at Aston Villa, reveals agent

http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2015/05/06/nicklas-helenius-not-wanted-back-at-aston-villa-reveals-agent/

The Danish striker has spent this season on loan at Aalborg following a torrid 2013-14 campaign with Villa.

Aston Villa do not want loanee Nicklas Helenius back this summer, the Danish striker’s agent has confirmed to Ekstra Bladet.

Helenius, 23, sealed a £1.2 million move to Villa from childhood club Aalborg BK in June 2013, having netted an impressive 30 goals in 65 Danish Superliga games over the previous two seasons.

However, the two-time international would go on to endure a torrid campaign with the Midlands outfit, making just six substitute appearances for a total of 153 minutes, while scoring once in the shock 2-1 FA Cup defeat to Sheffield United.

Deemed surplus to requirements in the summer before returning to Aalborg on a season-long loan, the towering front man revealed in an interview with tv3Sport in September that he had contracted a bacterial infection during his time at Villa Park which left him in constant pain, addicted to sleeping pills, depressed and even fearing death.

He has since been making slow progress in his bid to recapture his past form but looks to have made a major breakthrough in recent weeks, bagging a first-half hat-trick in Friday’s 5-0 win over Hobro IK to make it five goals in only three games.

With his Villa deal not set to expire until 2016, some might have wondered whether new boss Tim Sherwood could hand the in-form forward a chance to revive his Premier League career, but agent Mads Bach Lund has now put paid to those hopes.

Speaking to the national newspaper, Lund said: “We have had an ongoing dialogue with Aston Villa the last three weeks and they have made it clear that they do not expect Nicklas back after the summer.

“Therefore, they have also informed us here in the spring to find a new club. But we do not hurry.”

Aalborg would be open to re-signing Helenius, who has now hit 12 goals in 41 games so far this season, but Lund stresses that he and his client are still assessing their options ahead of the summer transfer rush.

“He is not in a marriage with AaB,” added Lund. “We must look at the total package - what the best is for Nicklas. If AaB are interested in keeping him, we look at the options.

“But it may well also be another club. AaB is not in front of the queue compared to other clubs.”


After arriving at Villa with a great deal of promise, before never getting a real shot to prove his worth under the since-departed Paul Lambert, it’s somewhat disappointing to hear that the club will not be giving Helenius a second chance.

At 23 and with his health problems behind him, he could have been an intriguing candidate to backup star man Christian Benteke, or even serve as his future replacement, but it looks like his time with the claret and blues is now over for good.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on May 07, 2015, 10:23:03 PM

Quote from: Londonvilla on May 07, 2015, 09:48:39 PM

Quote from: john2710 on May 07, 2015, 09:45:20 PM

Hutton won't be going anywhere but the following will;
Lowton
Weimann
Hurd
Bennett
Bent
Benteke
Luna
Hellnius
Tonev
Cole

Well one of them is not coming back

Nicklas Helenius not wanted back at Aston Villa, reveals agent

http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2015/05/06/nicklas-helenius-not-wanted-back-at-aston-villa-reveals-agent/

The Danish striker has spent this season on loan at Aalborg following a torrid 2013-14 campaign with Villa.

Aston Villa do not want loanee Nicklas Helenius back this summer, the Danish striker’s agent has confirmed to Ekstra Bladet.

Helenius, 23, sealed a £1.2 million move to Villa from childhood club Aalborg BK in June 2013, having netted an impressive 30 goals in 65 Danish Superliga games over the previous two seasons.

However, the two-time international would go on to endure a torrid campaign with the Midlands outfit, making just six substitute appearances for a total of 153 minutes, while scoring once in the shock 2-1 FA Cup defeat to Sheffield United.

Deemed surplus to requirements in the summer before returning to Aalborg on a season-long loan, the towering front man revealed in an interview with tv3Sport in September that he had contracted a bacterial infection during his time at Villa Park which left him in constant pain, addicted to sleeping pills, depressed and even fearing death.

He has since been making slow progress in his bid to recapture his past form but looks to have made a major breakthrough in recent weeks, bagging a first-half hat-trick in Friday’s 5-0 win over Hobro IK to make it five goals in only three games.

With his Villa deal not set to expire until 2016, some might have wondered whether new boss Tim Sherwood could hand the in-form forward a chance to revive his Premier League career, but agent Mads Bach Lund has now put paid to those hopes.

Speaking to the national newspaper, Lund said: “We have had an ongoing dialogue with Aston Villa the last three weeks and they have made it clear that they do not expect Nicklas back after the summer.

“Therefore, they have also informed us here in the spring to find a new club. But we do not hurry.”

Aalborg would be open to re-signing Helenius, who has now hit 12 goals in 41 games so far this season, but Lund stresses that he and his client are still assessing their options ahead of the summer transfer rush.

“He is not in a marriage with AaB,” added Lund. “We must look at the total package - what the best is for Nicklas. If AaB are interested in keeping him, we look at the options.

“But it may well also be another club. AaB is not in front of the queue compared to other clubs.”


After arriving at Villa with a great deal of promise, before never getting a real shot to prove his worth under the since-departed Paul Lambert, it’s somewhat disappointing to hear that the club will not be giving Helenius a second chance.

At 23 and with his health problems behind him, he could have been an intriguing candidate to backup star man Christian Benteke, or even serve as his future replacement, but it looks like his time with the claret and blues is now over for good.

A bit of lost in translation (or Google translate) in a couple of places.
"they do not expect Nicklas back after the summer" is more, "they're not counting on Niklas returning after the summer."

“Therefore, they have also informed us here in the spring to find a new club. But we do not hurry.” It's not Villa who've told him to find a new club the correct translation is "Therefore, we've started to look around for a new club, but there's no rush."
“He is not in a marriage with AaB,” is a bit of a cock up as it's a literal translation of a peculiar turn of phrase that means something more along the lines of
"there's no long term commitment to AaB."

If it is all over for Helenius at B6, I'd be surprised if he ended up back in Aalborg.  He's only there because of how much we're subsidising his wages.  They've been in financial difficulties for a while and have finally got back on track after their CL og Europa League advantures this season, plus sales of players such as Helenius.

Kent Nielsen who have him his break is leaving for Odense in the summer, and AaB won't be looking to increase their wage bill, especially when they apparently have some promising youngsters coming through.

(The more I type here, the more I think they could be our Scandinavian department).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt C on May 07, 2015, 10:49:34 PM

I don't think we'll see any of that loaned quartet - Luna, Tonev, Sylla & Helenius - back at VP.

Try to hold back your tears.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Seb_AVFC on May 07, 2015, 11:01:19 PM

Weren't we linked with that Cresswel chap a few times when Lambert was here. Thank McGrath he bought Bennett and Luna instead.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on May 07, 2015, 11:10:42 PM

Hendrick and Gestede are good players for sure with scope to improve. Hendrick is a bit leggy and not a playmaker but a decent box to box midfielder capable of scoring goals. Kind of player we should be considering if Cleverley goes. Gestede is a nasty big physical centre forward cable of bringing others into the play. More of a backup for Benteke rather than a partner. Expect he will go for 10m plus this summer.

On Kozak, thought he was very immobile pre broken leg. Good finisher but not sure like we saw with Bent if we can afford to carry such a player.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 07, 2015, 11:14:45 PM

Quote from: Seb_AVFC on May 07, 2015, 11:01:19 PM

Weren't we linked with that Cresswel chap a few times when Lambert was here. Thank McGrath he bought Bennett and Luna instead.

We were and if I recall correctly Ipswich wanted something like £6m, only to sell him to West Ham for much less than that a season or so later.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on May 08, 2015, 08:59:18 AM

Quote from: Seb_AVFC on May 07, 2015, 11:01:19 PM

Weren't we linked with that Cresswel chap a few times when Lambert was here. Thank McGrath he bought Bennett and Luna instead.

In fairness to Lambert, his buys overall were ok.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on May 08, 2015, 09:00:48 AM

My worry about Rudy Gestede is that he only seems to last for 60 minutes of a game.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 08, 2015, 10:35:27 AM

I would not get rid of Kozak and there are rumours we are going to re-sign Darren Bent ?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: warleyboy on May 08, 2015, 11:56:13 AM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on May 08, 2015, 09:00:48 AM

My worry about Rudy Gestede is that he only seems to last for 60 minutes of a game.

My only concern is if we are bidding for this guy, it's because Benteke is moving on.
Very similar players.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Karl Bridges on May 08, 2015, 12:34:05 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on May 07, 2015, 11:10:42 PM

On Kozak, thought he was very immobile pre broken leg. Good finisher but not sure like we saw with Bent if we can afford to carry such a player.

My take on Kozak is that he isn't speedy but he's a clever player and that speed of thought is a valuable asset. Knows the right runs to make and has a knack of knowing where to position himself for maximum effect. The goals he scored were very much putting himself in the right place at the right time.  No way he's a passenger and he works a lot harder outside of the box that DB. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on May 08, 2015, 01:20:45 PM

Quote from: Clampy on May 08, 2015, 08:59:18 AM

Quote from: Seb_AVFC on May 07, 2015, 11:01:19 PM

Weren't we linked with that Cresswel chap a few times when Lambert was here. Thank McGrath he bought Bennett and Luna instead.

In fairness to Lambert, his buys overall were ok.

He was meant to have been weighing up either going for Bennett or Cresswell and appears to have taken the wrong option on that one, even if his overall transfer record was quite good.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on May 08, 2015, 01:21:58 PM

Quote from: Karl Bridges on May 08, 2015, 12:34:05 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on May 07, 2015, 11:10:42 PM

On Kozak, thought he was very immobile pre broken leg. Good finisher but not sure like we saw with Bent if we can afford to carry such a player.

My take on Kozak is that he isn't speedy but he's a clever player and that speed of thought is a valuable asset. Knows the right runs to make and has a knack of knowing where to position himself for maximum effect. The goals he scored were very much putting himself in the right place at the right time.  No way he's a passenger and he works a lot harder outside of the box that DB. 

Kozak has the same sort of goal scorer instinct that Bent had and has more time on his side.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 08, 2015, 01:57:07 PM

Quote from: warleyboy on May 08, 2015, 11:56:13 AM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on May 08, 2015, 09:00:48 AM

My worry about Rudy Gestede is that he only seems to last for 60 minutes of a game.

My only concern is if we are bidding for this guy, it's because Benteke is moving on.
Very similar players.

Or Weimann is moving on.  Which would be okay.

I do like the style and workrate of Gestede.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: warleyboy on May 08, 2015, 05:05:53 PM

Not complaining Brend, but he to much of a Benteke type, no way can I see em playing together.
It's either one or the other, I'm hoping for a Tekkers stay and also a Weimann leave.

Just unsure who we should take a punt at, another gabby type with speed and can link well.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on May 08, 2015, 05:13:18 PM

Weimann's not been getting much of a look-in so he probably will be going.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eamonn on May 08, 2015, 07:11:01 PM

He's no Crouch or Ormondroyd but Kozak might just have enough to make regular 77th minute sub appearances.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Londonvilla on May 08, 2015, 07:23:26 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 08, 2015, 10:35:27 AM

I would not get rid of Kozak and there are rumours we are going to re-sign Darren Bent ?

Tim Sherwood admits Aston Villa may re-sign Darren Bent
Aston Villa manager builds bridges with exiled striker whose goals record is 'right up there with anyone'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11590745/Tim-Sherwood-admits-Aston-Villa-may-re-sign-Darren-Bent.html

Tim Sherwood has revealed he is considering the prospect of re-signing Aston Villa’s £24million striker Darren Bent.
Sherwood has given the clearest indication yet that he is ready to offer Bent a new contract as part of his rebuilding plans at Villa Park.
Bent, the club’s record signing, is out of contract this summer and admitted in an interview with Telegraph Sport last month that he was prepared to return after the departure of Paul Lambert.
The former England international was exiled by Lambert and sent out on loan to Derby County in January, where he scored 12 goals in 17 games.
But Lambert’s dismissal in February, and Sherwood’s subsequent appointment, has raised the possibility of the 31-year-old being given a new deal at Villa.

And although Randy Lerner’s own future as chairman is uncertain, Sherwood has confirmed he will speak to Bent at the end of the season over a surprise return.
“There’s a decision to be made over Darren and he’s certainly someone that will be considered,” he said.
"The way the conversation with Randy will probably go is: 'I think we need another striker and I know this boy and he is available. Do we take a gamble on someone else or do we bring him back?'
"That's my decision and I'm sure Randy will say: 'That's what you get paid for, that's your decision.'
"I will have a chat with Darren but we need to stay in the Premier League first.
"There's a decision to be made but I can do that over a four-year memory period at Tottenham. If you look at his goalscoring record it is right up there with anyone.
"Is he going to go to a bigger club than Aston Villa? We have that on our side.”

Bent was signed from Sunderland in January 2011 and despite an impressive first 18 months, the arrival of Lambert sparked a remarkable downspiral in fortune.
And Sherwood appeared to criticise Lambert’s treatment of the forward by admitting he will not be marginalised if he re-signs.
“He respects the fact we treat him like a man. He knows our style of management. It's not them and us. They have to realise I'm the boss but in the end I treat him like a man and be honest,” he said.
“He knows me and he knows he will get chances to score goals.”

I have always like Bent ....I think he would be a good player for us......scores goals where ever he has been ....and if we can get him for free ;D

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on May 08, 2015, 07:44:34 PM

Rather have someone who puts a shift in to earn his wages and works for the team than have Bent back at the club.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on May 08, 2015, 08:40:53 PM

I reckon he will only come back if we are in the Championship as Sherwood will know that this is his level. Also pretty much guarantees us goals at that level, if we were to go down.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 08, 2015, 08:46:06 PM

I think signing Bent would be a mistake.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 08, 2015, 09:00:55 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 08, 2015, 08:46:06 PM

I think signing Bent would be a mistake.

Me too. Its a bad relationship. It just needs to end, for his sake and ours.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on May 08, 2015, 09:13:10 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on May 08, 2015, 09:00:55 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 08, 2015, 08:46:06 PM

I think signing Bent would be a mistake.

Me too. Its a bad relationship. It just needs to end, for his sake and ours.

What bad relationship? I don't remember him falling out with the club. Yeah he didn't see eye to eye with Lambert, but he's gone now (thank god). There was no fall out with the fans either from what I rememeber.
If he comes back he'll be backed by everyone at the club.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on May 08, 2015, 09:26:41 PM

Bloody hell its taken this long to get bent's massive wages off the books

No thanks

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 08, 2015, 09:41:01 PM

The way Bacuna is crossing the ball, I think in limited sub appearences next season Kozak would score more than Bent so I'd still release him as I believe Darren Bent is finished at prem level now even as a sub.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on May 08, 2015, 10:26:56 PM

If Bent did come back I think it's safe to assume that he wouldn't be getting paid nearly as much as he was.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 08, 2015, 10:43:15 PM

I think TS is simply sending out positive vibes after telling Bent he can go on holiday rather than be at VP/BH.
I think that says it all really.

I think far too much!
UTV!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 08, 2015, 10:51:27 PM

Quote from: Karl Bridges on May 08, 2015, 12:34:05 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on May 07, 2015, 11:10:42 PM

On Kozak, thought he was very immobile pre broken leg. Good finisher but not sure like we saw with Bent if we can afford to carry such a player.

My take on Kozak is that he isn't speedy but he's a clever player and that speed of thought is a valuable asset. Knows the right runs to make and has a knack of knowing where to position himself for maximum effect. The goals he scored were very much putting himself in the right place at the right time.  No way he's a passenger and he works a lot harder outside of the box that DB. 

IMHO Kozak is a sort of old-style CF.
He puts himself about, makes the defenders work their balls off and knows where the goal is given a chance.
I look back positively on his games v ManC and Soton last season - in the ManC game he was a constant nuisance to their defence which eventually led to the winning goal. I bet Kompany and his CB mate knew they'd been in a game that day. At Soton, pretty much the same, but he had one decent cross and buried it! He then celebrated like a man possessed with the travelling Villa faithful.
I like him.
A proper old school CF.

Get yer boots laced up Libor!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 08, 2015, 10:55:26 PM

btw: D Bent can leave with our blessing and earn a crust elsewhere.


Wouldn't surprise me if he turned up in Smethwick.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on May 08, 2015, 10:59:24 PM

Watching Bent now on Fantasy Football Club...Merse asked him about Villa and pretty much said he's leaving his options open now that he'll be a free agent, confirmed he can't play for us this season and that he'll have a chat with TS in the summer.

He comes across as a nice bloke but he's got a very relaxed attitude to everything which pretty much describes his playing style. He mentioned that he has to wait for goal scoring chances to come along but doesn't dwell on it too much if he misses as he'll wait for the next one...the fact that he's incapable of creating chances for himself and needs them laid on a plate for him is exactly why Bent isn't good enough at Premier League level.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: glester on May 09, 2015, 06:22:15 AM

Quote from: Londonvilla on May 07, 2015, 09:20:34 PM

Swindon Town star Massimo Luongo comments on rumours of Aston Villa transfer

http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2015/05/07/swindon-town-star-massimo-luongo-comments-on-rumours-of-aston-vi/

Swindon Town ace Massimo Luongo has admitted that recent transfer speculation has affected his performance.

Swindon Town midfielder Massimo Luongo has told The Sun that recent rumours of a move to Aston Villa have been affecting him.

Luongo, 22, has been one of the stars of the League One season, contributing six goals for the Robins as Mark Cooper's men push for promotion to the Championship.

Yet with Swindon set to face Sheffield United in the first leg of the play-off semi-finals tonight, Luongo has admitted that recent transfer speculation is bothering him.

The Daily Mail recently reported that Aston Villa boss Tim Sherwood is looking to reunite with Luongo this summer, having worked with the Australian international at Tottenham.

Having left White Hart Lane in search of first team football, Luongo has shown why is regarded as one of the Football League's finest young playmakers, so it's no surprise to read that Sherwood is allegedly interested in adding him to his squad at Aston Villa.

However, with the transfer window drawing ever closer, Luongo has told The Sun that the rumours about a move to Villa Park have affected him, and he needs to put the thoughts of a reunion with Sherwood to the back of his mind, and focus on Swindon's play-off campaign.

"The speculation has all been playing on my mind a little bit and I just have to force myself not to worry about it," said Luongo. "I need to fully focus on Swindon and do my bit to get us promoted."

"It has all been a distraction. I do my best not to think about it but it’s human nature to ponder over these things and think about the future. Some fans have been criticising me a bit for my performances but I always do my best," he added.

Would Luongo be a good signing for Aston Villa?

Has anyone seen him?

Yes, saw him play in all of the games for Australia in the recent Asia Cup here in Aus.  I didn't know much about him before the tournament except that a few of our media pundits were calling for him to be given a go in our side as we were needing a playmaker of sorts.   I was pleasantly surprised to see how good he was given where he was playing his domestic football.  He's a hard worker and likes to carry the ball where he can.  Very good with his feet and doesn't usually lose the ball in possession and can get himself out of tight positions.  Can pass the ball quite well too and has a good creative ball to unlock the defense.  Pleasingly he also works hard backwards and regularly tracks back with a well timed tackle to win possession back.  Not sure what he's been like for Swindon but he is only young and has really big potential and has shown he can lift his game when playing with better people around him.  Scored 2 goals and had 4 assists at the tournament with his best in the final i think.

Again I've only seen him in the 5 or 6 games in the tournament however he easily justified winning player of the tournament and I would be stoked if we got him at Villa.

Youtube clip here if you're interested.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 09, 2015, 06:44:56 AM

Thanks Glester. 

He plays a bit like Grealish but on the right and has a noticeably different, bigger physique.  Not sure he is what we need as I think pace (a la Gabby/Sinclair) will complement Grealish better.  But as an alternative to Grealish - he is still young - then this chap could do.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 09, 2015, 06:56:54 AM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 08, 2015, 09:13:10 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on May 08, 2015, 09:00:55 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 08, 2015, 08:46:06 PM

I think signing Bent would be a mistake.

Me too. Its a bad relationship. It just needs to end, for his sake and ours.

What bad relationship? I don't remember him falling out with the club. Yeah he didn't see eye to eye with Lambert, but he's gone now (thank god). There was no fall out with the fans either from what I rememeber.
If he comes back he'll be backed by everyone at the club.

Oh no I didnt mean that way. I mean we are not helping each other any more. We are not helping his career and he was not helping us much when he was last playing. Some of that is Lambert, some the kind of player he is and some of it is his form.

I like Bent, he kept us up, but I think its time for everyone to move on. I just do not see him fitting into our play style these days I mean a couple of games ago Benteke was the player with the most touches in a game. Thats the kind of role Sherwood demands of his forwards. Bent's not that kind of player.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 09, 2015, 07:34:49 AM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on May 09, 2015, 06:56:54 AM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 08, 2015, 09:13:10 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on May 08, 2015, 09:00:55 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 08, 2015, 08:46:06 PM

I think signing Bent would be a mistake.

Me too. Its a bad relationship. It just needs to end, for his sake and ours.

What bad relationship? I don't remember him falling out with the club. Yeah he didn't see eye to eye with Lambert, but he's gone now (thank god). There was no fall out with the fans either from what I rememeber.
If he comes back he'll be backed by everyone at the club.

Oh no I didnt mean that way. I mean we are not helping each other any more. We are not helping his career and he was not helping us much when he was last playing. Some of that is Lambert, some the kind of player he is and some of it is his form.

I like Bent, he kept us up, but I think its time for everyone to move on. I just do not see him fitting into our play style these days I mean a couple of games ago Benteke was the player with the most touches in a game. Thats the kind of role Sherwood demands of his forwards. Bent's not that kind of player.

I'd agree with that ciggiesnbeer.  The only way I could see it working was if Bent was used as an insurance for Kozak as he returns from injury.  That would give us Benteke, Kozak and Gabby as strikers with Bent covering for injuries (I think Weimann should be cashed in). 

I think Bent deserves a better situation than that.  At his age he should want to play every week.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: DrGonzo on May 09, 2015, 09:57:13 AM

Okay, so if Sunderland take the drop, which is distinctly possible unless they win today, what would H+V's reaction be to the signing of... *deep breath* _{Lee Cattermole}.  Ye gods I feel a bit dirty just for having thought that.  His disciplinary record aside he is the type of player that would sit very well in front of the defence, he has a greater range of passing than Westwood or Sanchez, and strength besides.  Oh so he'll end up at West Brom with Pulis then, won't he?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 09, 2015, 10:56:31 AM

Quote from: DrGonzo on May 09, 2015, 09:57:13 AM

Okay, so if Sunderland take the drop, which is distinctly possible unless they win today, what would H+V's reaction be to the signing of... *deep breath* _{Lee Cattermole}.  Ye gods I feel a bit dirty just for having thought that.  His disciplinary record aside he is the type of player that would sit very well in front of the defence, he has a greater range of passing than Westwood or Sanchez, and strength besides.  Oh so he'll end up at West Brom with Pulis then, won't he?

It's a no from me Doctor.  Would take Westwood over him any day. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: richard moore on May 09, 2015, 10:58:28 AM

Quote from: DrGonzo on May 09, 2015, 09:57:13 AM

Okay, so if Sunderland take the drop, which is distinctly possible unless they win today, what would H+V's reaction be to the signing of... *deep breath* _{Lee Cattermole}.  Ye gods I feel a bit dirty just for having thought that.  His disciplinary record aside he is the type of player that would sit very well in front of the defence, he has a greater range of passing than Westwood or Sanchez, and strength besides.  Oh so he'll end up at West Brom with Pulis then, won't he?

Have you seen your doctor recently?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on May 09, 2015, 11:00:51 AM

Quote from: DrGonzo on May 09, 2015, 09:57:13 AM

Okay, so if Sunderland take the drop, which is distinctly possible unless they win today, what would H+V's reaction be to the signing of... *deep breath* _{Lee Cattermole}.  Ye gods I feel a bit dirty just for having thought that.  His disciplinary record aside he is the type of player that would sit very well in front of the defence, he has a greater range of passing than Westwood or Sanchez, and strength besides.  Oh so he'll end up at West Brom with Pulis then, won't he?

In a similar vein, if Newcastle continue their collapse, how about Jack Colback ?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 09, 2015, 11:01:53 AM

Quote from: DrGonzo on May 09, 2015, 09:57:13 AM

Okay, so if Sunderland take the drop, which is distinctly possible unless they win today, what would H+V's reaction be to the signing of... *deep breath* _{Lee Cattermole}.  Ye gods I feel a bit dirty just for having thought that.  His disciplinary record aside he is the type of player that would sit very well in front of the defence, he has a greater range of passing than Westwood or Sanchez, and strength besides.  Oh so he'll end up at West Brom with Pulis then, won't he?

Never rated him at all so no. Don't see where he fits into our dynamic, quick passing midfield.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 09, 2015, 11:02:22 AM

Quote from: UK Redsox on May 09, 2015, 11:00:51 AM

Quote from: DrGonzo on May 09, 2015, 09:57:13 AM

Okay, so if Sunderland take the drop, which is distinctly possible unless they win today, what would H+V's reaction be to the signing of... *deep breath* _{Lee Cattermole}.  Ye gods I feel a bit dirty just for having thought that.  His disciplinary record aside he is the type of player that would sit very well in front of the defence, he has a greater range of passing than Westwood or Sanchez, and strength besides.  Oh so he'll end up at West Brom with Pulis then, won't he?

In a similar vein, if Newcastle continue their collapse, how about Jack Colback ?

No better than his ginger brother Sidwell.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on May 09, 2015, 11:20:30 AM

I've always been sceptical about signing players from relegated teams...it's a team game but in most cases they played an integral part of their team not being good enough.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on May 09, 2015, 11:23:55 AM

Quote from: KRS on May 09, 2015, 11:20:30 AM

I've always been sceptical about signing players from relegated teams...it's a team game but in most cases they played an integral part of their team not being good enough.

So if we go down this season there would be no point anybody signing Benteke or Delph because they wouldn't be good enough?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 09, 2015, 12:02:47 PM

Quote from: Dave on May 09, 2015, 11:23:55 AM

Quote from: KRS on May 09, 2015, 11:20:30 AM

I've always been sceptical about signing players from relegated teams...it's a team game but in most cases they played an integral part of their team not being good enough.

So if we go down this season there would be no point anybody signing Benteke or Delph because they wouldn't be good enough?

Boom.

The likes of Charlie Austin will still be in the prem next year. Might be a bit more difficult for any defender to shine in a relegated team but the other positions you generally get some. Saying that we'll end up with Caulker...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on May 09, 2015, 12:13:09 PM

Quote from: Dave on May 09, 2015, 11:23:55 AM

Quote from: KRS on May 09, 2015, 11:20:30 AM

I've always been sceptical about signing players from relegated teams...it's a team game but in most cases they played an integral part of their team not being good enough.

So if we go down this season there would be no point anybody signing Benteke or Delph because they wouldn't be good enough?

We're not going down as we're good enough to stay up so your point is invalid.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on May 09, 2015, 12:51:28 PM

Quote from: KRS on May 09, 2015, 12:13:09 PM

Quote from: Dave on May 09, 2015, 11:23:55 AM

Quote from: KRS on May 09, 2015, 11:20:30 AM

I've always been sceptical about signing players from relegated teams...it's a team game but in most cases they played an integral part of their team not being good enough.

So if we go down this season there would be no point anybody signing Benteke or Delph because they wouldn't be good enough?

We're not going down as we're good enough to stay up so your point is invalid.

Had we stuck with Lambert we probably would have. And had we done so, under your dreadfully flawed logic neither Delph nor Benteke would be good enough for this league.

Also the likes of Stuart Pearce, Roy Keane, Michael Carrick, Jermaine Defoe, Juninho, Fabrizio Ravenelli, Scott Parker, Joe Cole, James Milner, Aaron Lennon, Phil Jagielka and Loic Remy wouldn't have been worth signing either when they were relegated.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on May 09, 2015, 01:05:11 PM

Charlie Nichuntlas thinks all Liverpool's problems will be solved when they sign Benteke. "just go and get him" he said. Yes Charshole it's as easy as that.
Excuse the spelling!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on May 09, 2015, 01:06:19 PM

Quote from: OCD on May 08, 2015, 10:26:56 PM

If Bent did come back I think it's safe to assume that he wouldn't be getting paid nearly as much as he was.

Surely he is out of contract now and we will NOT give him a new one?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on May 09, 2015, 02:26:27 PM

Quote from: olaftab on May 09, 2015, 01:06:19 PM

Quote from: OCD on May 08, 2015, 10:26:56 PM

If Bent did come back I think it's safe to assume that he wouldn't be getting paid nearly as much as he was.

Surely he is out of contract now and we will NOT give him a new one?

I take it you didn't see the Sherwood quotes where he's talking about possibly giving Bent a new contract then?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 09, 2015, 05:48:11 PM

Let's say we keep who we have now (apart from Vlaar), who would do people think we could get?

-------Benteke------------------------?--------------------
------------------------Grealish----------------------------
----------Delph--------------------Clevinho--------------
------------------------------?-----------------------------------
?----------Clark----------------Okore--------Bac------
----------------------------Guzan----------------------------

I'm thinking 1st team.
I think those are the 3 that most people would agree on. Then others are debatable I think. Some will say RB, CB and GK I imagine as well. I wouldn't agree on Guzan as I think he's still the man long term. I wouldn't be too narked with westwood/sanchez but I'd rather improve there. I'd personally rather have a better defender at RB but people are loving his attacking at the mo. And I think that is the CB pairing long term but wouldn't mind a better CB if available. LB is no brainer for me, and I'm still no fan of the zog as his decision making is terrible.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on May 09, 2015, 05:50:01 PM

Sherwood could bring back Bent for preseason and see how he works and whether he fits in to our new approach.  If it goes well he could offer him a contract.  If not, it will help Bent to get ready for the season and look for a new club.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on May 09, 2015, 05:51:46 PM

It's a squad game these days. I would rather look at having 2 good options for every position and deciding who should move on.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JJ-AV on May 09, 2015, 06:08:26 PM

If we don't keep Cleverley then Leroy Fer is someone worth looking at.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 09, 2015, 06:19:50 PM

Left Back and Central Midfield are the 2 important positions assuming we retain Cleverly Delph Benteke and Vlaar.
I am not convinced by our Goalkeeping options but this is not the priority.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on May 09, 2015, 06:24:49 PM

My main priority is to try and start next season with all our best players. I'd be really happy with that

After that, is prioritise a left back and a centre forward. Sell weimann and have gabby compete with the new guy

Probably need another winger or attacking midfielder too, who can play right side

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on May 09, 2015, 06:33:51 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on May 09, 2015, 11:00:51 AM

Quote from: DrGonzo on May 09, 2015, 09:57:13 AM

Okay, so if Sunderland take the drop, which is distinctly possible unless they win today, what would H+V's reaction be to the signing of... *deep breath* _{Lee Cattermole}.  Ye gods I feel a bit dirty just for having thought that.  His disciplinary record aside he is the type of player that would sit very well in front of the defence, he has a greater range of passing than Westwood or Sanchez, and strength besides.  Oh so he'll end up at West Brom with Pulis then, won't he?

In a similar vein, if Newcastle continue their collapse, how about Jack Colback ?

No to either. 

It's exceptionally lazy to link a manager with his ex players, I agree.

But the likes of Stambouli, Carroll, Luongo and possibly even Dembelle might be available this summer.

Not advocating signing all of them, but one or two of that lot would be better for us than water carriers like Twattermole and Colback.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 09, 2015, 06:39:06 PM

Didn't Collback turn down a chance to move to us in favour of Newcastle?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on May 09, 2015, 06:44:14 PM

Young players tend to have a dip in form at some point so we could do with another who could compete with him for that number 10 position.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tayls_7 on May 09, 2015, 06:44:26 PM

I'd much prefer George Boyd if we are picking the carcasses of relegated outfits.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy65 on May 09, 2015, 06:51:04 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 09, 2015, 06:24:49 PM

My main priority is to try and start next season with all our best players. I'd be really happy with that

After that, is prioritise a left back and a centre forward. Sell weimann and have gabby compete with the new guy

Probably need another winger or attacking midfielder too, who can play right side

Sell Gabby as well. He is past it

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on May 09, 2015, 07:13:09 PM

Quote from: Rudy65 on May 09, 2015, 06:51:04 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 09, 2015, 06:24:49 PM

My main priority is to try and start next season with all our best players. I'd be really happy with that

After that, is prioritise a left back and a centre forward. Sell weimann and have gabby compete with the new guy

Probably need another winger or attacking midfielder too, who can play right side

Sell Gabby as well. He is past it

I'll cut Gabby some slack today because he's just back from injury but impact sub should be his role from now on.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 09, 2015, 07:15:41 PM

Gabby was playing really well with Benteke before his injury. And his injury was hamstring related which is critical to his speed and his primary asset. A fully fit Gabby wouldn't have been caught by Cresswell.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 09, 2015, 07:19:27 PM

Quote from: KRS on May 09, 2015, 11:20:30 AM

I've always been sceptical about signing players from relegated teams...it's a team game but in most cases they played an integral part of their team not being good enough.

I just think they're average British players who run all day, can do a job but really lack the quality to push teams on. Colback isn't better than any of our middle trio, the way they're playing and I wouldn't write off Sanchez either.

If Benteke goes I wouldn't mind Charlie Austin though. Different type of striker but the lad can score goals and link play up so he's someone I'd look at from a relegated team as long as QPR don't want silly money.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 09, 2015, 07:23:39 PM

I hope we get our players in first if there is any chance of Benteke leaving. Last thing we want is to be paying a premium for any player just because we sold our star player for a huge fee.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 09, 2015, 07:25:36 PM

Quote from: Tayls_7 on May 09, 2015, 06:44:26 PM

I'd much prefer George Boyd if we are picking the carcasses of relegated outfits.

I also like George Boyd, not got pace but has got quality.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 09, 2015, 07:30:46 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 09, 2015, 07:15:41 PM

Gabby was playing really well with Benteke before his injury. And his injury was hamstring related which is critical to his speed and his primary asset. A fully fit Gabby wouldn't have been caught by Cresswell.

Yeah this looked too soon for Gab but my worry about him is that he gets more and more niggles and everytime he comes back he looks a little chubbier.
He can still have a key part to play under Sherwood but I hope he slims down this summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 09, 2015, 07:31:40 PM

Flabby Agbonlahor!


*Only joking Gabs. Sort of.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 09, 2015, 07:39:33 PM

I noticed that he was not warming up with the other subs at half time, so either lazy or injured.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr woo on May 09, 2015, 08:18:36 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 09, 2015, 07:15:41 PM

Gabby was playing really well with Benteke before his injury. And his injury was hamstring related which is critical to his speed and his primary asset. A fully fit Gabby wouldn't have been caught by Cresswell.

Regardless, I wouldn't trust him to finish any one on one chance he gets,  even when fit.  I think we can do better in what is let's face it, an absolutely key position.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LukeJames on May 09, 2015, 08:20:24 PM

Ings on a free would be a good piece of business, He's a nuisance run himself into the ground striker, would work well with Benteke.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Londonvilla on May 09, 2015, 08:41:47 PM

Tim Sherwood: Some Aston Villa players are rubber-stamped for next season - others have question marks

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/tim-sherwood-aston-villa-players-9219774#rlabs=4

Aston Villa boss Sherwood admits the futures of some of his Villans are hanging in the balance as he prepares for a busy summer

Tim Sherwood has already decided on a large bulk of his squad for next season but the Villa boss insists there’s still time for others to force their way in.

The likes of Leandro Bacuna, Tom Cleverley, Jack Grealish, and Charles N’Zogbia have all flourished since the managerial change and are currently enjoying a new lease of life.

However, Carles Gil, Andreas Weimann and Aly Cissokho have slipped down the pecking order and have found first-team opportunities limited.

“I’m still learning about the players but there’s a few who I’ve rubber-stamped (for next season),” said Sherwood.

“There’s also a few I have got question marks over. They know that. They don’t know who they are but they know they’re on trial.

“If they want to stay at this great club then they are on trial every training session and game.”

Although Villa’s Premier League status is not yet secured, the players know that a place in the FA Cup Final beckons for the in-form performers.

“They are on trial at the moment to get a place in the FA Cup final which some of them might never see again,” added Sherwood.

“It’s for next year as well.

“Aston Villa is a big club and some of the players might not ever go to a bigger club than this.

“If they want to stay at this club, they have got every chance, all of them, but they have to continue to produce the goods on matchdays.”

Sherwood is currently keeping a close eye on Gary Gardner and Joe Bennett following their return to the club.

Gardner spent the second half of the season on loan at Nottingham Forest while Bennett made 42 appearances for Brighton.

Callum Robinson will return from his loan spell at Preston on Monday and a decision is yet to be made on Darren Bent’s future.


Sherwood is currently keeping a close eye on Gary Gardner and Joe Bennett following their return to the club.
Tim..... keep Gardner let Joe go with a sell-on clause

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on May 09, 2015, 08:55:22 PM

Don`t shoot the messenger on this one - i spoke with a coach who works for the FA at St Georges Park - he tells me Vlaar was at Old Trafford on Thursday and is possibly going to Newtown Heath in the summer.
In return we get Nani on loan for a season
Benteke is looking to do a an extension on his contract and will review in January if Villa stay up - he will look to stay if we are top 6
Sherwood is looking to bring in Livermore (from Hull?)
Sherwood hoping for two experienced marquee signings plus a few young players with potential (including a lad from Swindon whose name I have forgotten but I am sure he was at Tottenham with Sherwood.
Might all be bollocks but its great to be looking forward again !!!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on May 09, 2015, 09:07:18 PM

Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on May 09, 2015, 08:55:22 PM

Don`t shoot the messenger on this one - i spoke with a coach who works for the FA at St Georges Park - he tells me Vlaar was at Old Trafford on Thursday and is possibly going to Newtown Heath in the summer.
In return we get Nani on loan for a season
Benteke is looking to do a an extension on his contract and will review in January if Villa stay up - he will look to stay if we are top 6
Sherwood is looking to bring in Livermore (from Hull?)
Sherwood hoping for two experienced marquee signings plus a few young players with potential (including a lad from Swindon whose name I have forgotten but I am sure he was at Tottenham with Sherwood.
Might all be bollocks but its great to be looking forward again !!!

Not having a go VCTM, but that bit defies logic. Why would that lot need to throw us anything in return when Vlaar is a free agent in the summer?
He might well up at Carrington^*, but independently of anything else.

*Definitely make it to the training ground, but match days?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 09, 2015, 09:09:21 PM

It's Luongo Clive, I think he'll be our first signing this summer.

Happy enough with the rest of that apart from Livermore who is nothing special and I'd rather give Sanchez more time plus we have the other three although of course Cleverley could go elsewhere.

Nani would be an out of the hat signing, better version of CNZ but still wildly inconsistant. Would take him though as would make next season the most exciting in a long one.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on May 09, 2015, 09:15:05 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on May 09, 2015, 09:07:18 PM

Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on May 09, 2015, 08:55:22 PM

Don`t shoot the messenger on this one - i spoke with a coach who works for the FA at St Georges Park - he tells me Vlaar was at Old Trafford on Thursday and is possibly going to Newtown Heath in the summer.
In return we get Nani on loan for a season
Benteke is looking to do a an extension on his contract and will review in January if Villa stay up - he will look to stay if we are top 6
Sherwood is looking to bring in Livermore (from Hull?)
Sherwood hoping for two experienced marquee signings plus a few young players with potential (including a lad from Swindon whose name I have forgotten but I am sure he was at Tottenham with Sherwood.
Might all be bollocks but its great to be looking forward again !!!

Not having a go VCTM, but that bit defies logic. Why would that lot need to throw us anything in return when Vlaar is a free agent in the summer?
He might well up at Carrington^*, but independently of anything else.

*Definitely make it to the training ground, but match days?

No probs ... be nice if they threw Ashley Young back at us - he has had a decent season for them - who would have thought two months ago that Cleverly would be on a list of potential signings?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 09, 2015, 09:21:59 PM

That vlaar/Nani deal might be about wages whereby we agree not to enter into a bidding war with Man U on the proviso they give us Nani.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 09, 2015, 09:22:19 PM

I have no issues with Vlaar staying or going. He has been good for us when fit but happily we now have some cover.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tayls_7 on May 09, 2015, 09:24:33 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on May 09, 2015, 09:22:19 PM

I have no issues with Vlaar staying or going. He has been good for us when fit but happily we now have some cover.

It will be great to see Clark and or Baker firmly establish themselves next season. Both have been excellent this.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 09, 2015, 09:27:55 PM

Quote from: Tayls_7 on May 09, 2015, 09:24:33 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on May 09, 2015, 09:22:19 PM

I have no issues with Vlaar staying or going. He has been good for us when fit but happily we now have some cover.

It will be great to see Clark and or Baker firmly establish themselves next season. Both have been excellent this.

Indeed. I didnt expect it thats for sure!  TBF though Okore & Senderos have also been very good when playing. Very happy with choices!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tayls_7 on May 09, 2015, 09:39:14 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on May 09, 2015, 09:27:55 PM

Quote from: Tayls_7 on May 09, 2015, 09:24:33 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on May 09, 2015, 09:22:19 PM

I have no issues with Vlaar staying or going. He has been good for us when fit but happily we now have some cover.

It will be great to see Clark and or Baker firmly establish themselves next season. Both have been excellent this.

Indeed. I didnt expect it thats for sure!  TBF though Okore & Senderos have also been very good when playing. Very happy with choices!

They definitely have but there is something special about the yoof lads coming good. I remember years ago when those in the know were waxing lyrical about Clark.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on May 09, 2015, 11:56:45 PM

Vlaar is on a bowman so there's no way we're getting a player in exchange

File under bull shit

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 09, 2015, 11:59:17 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 09, 2015, 11:56:45 PM

Vlaar is on a bowman so there's no way we're getting a player in exchange

File under bull shit

Well i'm all of a quiver.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 10, 2015, 12:04:41 AM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on May 09, 2015, 09:27:55 PM

Quote from: Tayls_7 on May 09, 2015, 09:24:33 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on May 09, 2015, 09:22:19 PM

I have no issues with Vlaar staying or going. He has been good for us when fit but happily we now have some cover.

It will be great to see Clark and or Baker firmly establish themselves next season. Both have been excellent this.

Indeed. I didnt expect it thats for sure!  TBF though Okore & Senderos have also been very good when playing. Very happy with choices!

I really think Okore has got the potential to be a top player.  Considering his age and the serious injury he suffered, he's come back really well. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on May 10, 2015, 12:06:18 AM

Quote from: LukeJames on May 09, 2015, 08:20:24 PM

Ings on a free would be a good piece of business, He's a nuisance run himself into the ground striker, would work well with Benteke.

He wouldn't be free.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 10, 2015, 12:25:26 AM

Do you have to pay compensation for Ings as Burnley bought him a few years ago?

Probably doesn't matter any way as Liverpool seem set to sign him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on May 10, 2015, 12:26:48 AM

Compo for Ings.

From the side picked today by Sherwood, I would like to see upgrades signed for Vlaar (as we think he's offski), Westwood, N'Zogbia and Given. I honestly think we could be up in the top 8 next season if we can bring in three or four players of quality. I also wouldn't necessarily get rid of those named, all useful squad players.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 10, 2015, 12:46:47 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 09, 2015, 11:59:17 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 09, 2015, 11:56:45 PM

Vlaar is on a bowman so there's no way we're getting a player in exchange

File under bull shit

Well i'm all of a quiver.

I have have no quarrel with that.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 10, 2015, 01:06:22 AM

Quote from: Newby on May 10, 2015, 12:26:48 AM

Compo for Ings.

From the side picked today by Sherwood, I would like to see upgrades signed for Vlaar (as we think he's offski), Westwood, N'Zogbia and Given. I honestly think we could be up in the top 8 next season if we can bring in three or four players of quality. I also wouldn't necessarily get rid of those named, all useful squad players.

Agree, though I would also add a better left back to the list as well.  If Sinclair can find form then he would be the upgrade on N'Zogbia.  Not even on the bench today though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on May 10, 2015, 07:08:57 AM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on May 10, 2015, 12:46:47 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 09, 2015, 11:59:17 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 09, 2015, 11:56:45 PM

Vlaar is on a bowman so there's no way we're getting a player in exchange

File under bull shit

Well i'm all of a quiver.

I have have no quarrel with that.

What's your point? 😁

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Smirker on May 10, 2015, 07:22:24 AM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on May 09, 2015, 09:07:18 PM

Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on May 09, 2015, 08:55:22 PM

Don`t shoot the messenger on this one - i spoke with a coach who works for the FA at St Georges Park - he tells me Vlaar was at Old Trafford on Thursday and is possibly going to Newtown Heath in the summer.
In return we get Nani on loan for a season
Benteke is looking to do a an extension on his contract and will review in January if Villa stay up - he will look to stay if we are top 6
Sherwood is looking to bring in Livermore (from Hull?)
Sherwood hoping for two experienced marquee signings plus a few young players with potential (including a lad from Swindon whose name I have forgotten but I am sure he was at Tottenham with Sherwood.
Might all be bollocks but its great to be looking forward again !!!

Not having a go VCTM, but that bit defies logic. Why would that lot need to throw us anything in return when Vlaar is a free agent in the summer?
He might well up at Carrington^*, but independently of anything else.

*Definitely make it to the training ground, but match days?

Both can happen independently. Sporting can't afford Nani's wages so it's likely he could go out on loan again. I'd be surprised if it happened but not because Vlaar will be out of contract.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 10, 2015, 08:02:03 AM

Following yesterdays game my revised list is:

Given - I'd be inclined to give Guzan another season but would would make a cheeky enquiry about Petr Cech.  Mourinho does not want to sell to an English Club (I assume he means a title challenger like Arse/Liverpool) and Cech may want to stay in the UK which would give us a chance.

Richardson - thought he was okay yesterday but... - Andrew Robertson at Hull looks good going forward (see his goal v eng) but I have no idea if he can defend.  Davies at Spurs or Taylor at Swansea may be alternatives which I have heard about.

Striker/Inside forward - Sinclair and Gabby are options here but I think this position needs to be our marquee signing (assuming the cech thing is unrealistic).

This assumes that no first team will leave.  A few squad fillers and youngsters too. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on May 10, 2015, 09:05:44 AM

Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on May 09, 2015, 08:55:22 PM

Don`t shoot the messenger on this one - i spoke with a coach who works for the FA at St Georges Park - he tells me Vlaar was at Old Trafford on Thursday and is possibly going to Newtown Heath in the summer.
In return we get Nani on loan for a season
Benteke is looking to do a an extension on his contract and will review in January if Villa stay up - he will look to stay if we are top 6
Sherwood is looking to bring in Livermore (from Hull?)
Sherwood hoping for two experienced marquee signings plus a few young players with potential (including a lad from Swindon whose name I have forgotten but I am sure he was at Tottenham with Sherwood.
Might all be bollocks but its great to be looking forward again !!!

I am good with all of that except Nani coming here.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Monty on May 10, 2015, 09:28:20 AM

What exactly does Livermore do? Never been particularly impressed with him. Mind you, that's what I said about Cleverley.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Smirker on May 10, 2015, 09:44:26 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on May 10, 2015, 08:02:03 AM

Following yesterdays game my revised list is:

Given - I'd be inclined to give Guzan another season but would would make a cheeky enquiry about Petr Cech.  Mourinho does not want to sell to an English Club (I assume he means a title challenger like Arse/Liverpool) and Cech may want to stay in the UK which would give us a chance.

Richardson - thought he was okay yesterday but... - Andrew Robertson at Hull looks good going forward (see his goal v eng) but I have no idea if he can defend.  Davies at Spurs or Taylor at Swansea may be alternatives which I have heard about.

Striker/Inside forward - Sinclair and Gabby are options here but I think this position needs to be our marquee signing (assuming the cech thing is unrealistic).

This assumes that no first team will leave.  A few squad fillers and youngsters too.

Cech must be on daft wages. Interesting idea though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy65 on May 10, 2015, 09:45:08 AM

Quote from: Monty on May 10, 2015, 09:28:20 AM

What exactly does Livermore do? Never been particularly impressed with him. Mind you, that's what I said about Cleverley.

He is a mirror image of Cleverley so maybe the latter isnt going to join us and Livermore is the replacement. I guess TS has to have options

Livermore is one of those that the media hype a little as a good young prospect but doesnt appear to have the form to back it up. That said he maybe worth taking a gamble on if the terms are ok

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on May 10, 2015, 09:48:54 AM

Petr Cech

😂😂😂

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: thick_mike on May 10, 2015, 09:50:13 AM

Quote from: Newby on May 10, 2015, 07:08:57 AM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on May 10, 2015, 12:46:47 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 09, 2015, 11:59:17 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 09, 2015, 11:56:45 PM

Vlaar is on a bowman so there's no way we're getting a player in exchange

File under bull shit

Well i'm all of a quiver.

I have have no quarrel with that.

What's your point? 😁

Bullseye!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on May 10, 2015, 09:55:31 AM

The fella Brady at Hull always catches the eye on MOTD as he hits a good set piece, what is his all round game like?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on May 10, 2015, 10:02:20 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on May 10, 2015, 08:02:03 AM

Following yesterdays game my revised list is:

Given - I'd be inclined to give Guzan another season but would would make a cheeky enquiry about Petr Cech.  Mourinho does not want to sell to an English Club (I assume he means a title challenger like Arse/Liverpool) and Cech may want to stay in the UK which would give us a chance.

Richardson - thought he was okay yesterday but... - Andrew Robertson at Hull looks good going forward (see his goal v eng) but I have no idea if he can defend.  Davies at Spurs or Taylor at Swansea may be alternatives which I have heard about.

Striker/Inside forward - Sinclair and Gabby are options here but I think this position needs to be our marquee signing (assuming the cech thing is unrealistic).

This assumes that no first team will leave.  A few squad fillers and youngsters too. 

Ben Davies is a very good shout.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on May 10, 2015, 11:00:48 AM

Quote from: thick_mike on May 10, 2015, 09:50:13 AM

Quote from: Newby on May 10, 2015, 07:08:57 AM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on May 10, 2015, 12:46:47 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 09, 2015, 11:59:17 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 09, 2015, 11:56:45 PM

Vlaar is on a bowman so there's no way we're getting a player in exchange

File under bull shit

Well i'm all of a quiver.

I have have no quarrel with that.

What's your point?

Bullseye!

"File under bull shit"
Are you trying to say I`m off target?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Londonvilla on May 10, 2015, 11:32:30 AM

Christian Benteke could stay at Aston Villa if they win the FA Cup and qualify for Europa League

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/christian-benteke-could-stay-aston-5669758

The Belgian has been linked with a move away from Villa but his chances of staying would be improved if they can overcome Arsenal

Christian Benteke’s chances of staying at Aston Villa will improve if Tim Sherwood’s men lift the FA Cup, writes Neil Moxley in the Sunday People.

The Belgium striker is anxious to test himself in Europe next season as he looks to confirm his emergence as one of the best strikers on the continent.
If Arsenal win the FA Cup, Villa will not qualify for the Europa League as the losers do not now gain automatic entry into the competition.

But victory will enable Benteke to test himself – a fact that is important to the forward ahead of the upcoming European Championships.

He missed the World Cup last year due to injury and wants to be playing regularly – a fact that also increases Villa’s chances of retaining him.

Benteke is open-minded about staying at Villa – he is settled in the area and has another two years on his current contract to run.

However, that would be thrown into confusion if a £150million deal to buy Villa were to go ahead.


Pay his agent what he wants...sign him up for 4 years and then if he wants to go to play in the CL in 2017 then sell him for £55M

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JJ-AV on May 10, 2015, 11:57:53 AM

I'd prefer Cattermole over Livermore. I like Cattermole as a player to be honest, I think he's improved a lot over the last few years and the cards have started to leave his game a little bit.

Ings is someone I really rate. His touch and dribbling ability is lovely to watch. Not sure if he gets enough goals but it's hard to judge him on that in that Burnley side. I think he'd be a good alternative to Gabby in the side.

'Keeper would be something I'd look at, but not sure who. Ruddy maybe? And Given has a year left doesn't he? So we'd have to shift Guzan, and I can't see that happening.

And a left-back if he doesn't rate Cissokho.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: richard moore on May 10, 2015, 12:01:36 PM

Quote from: Rudy65 on May 10, 2015, 09:45:08 AM

Quote from: Monty on May 10, 2015, 09:28:20 AM

What exactly does Livermore do? Never been particularly impressed with him. Mind you, that's what I said about Cleverley.

He is a mirror image of Cleverley so maybe the latter isnt going to join us and Livermore is the replacement. I guess TS has to have options

Livermore is one of those that the media hype a little as a good young prospect but doesnt appear to have the form to back it up. That said he maybe worth taking a gamble on if the terms are ok

Your last para could be edited to just say 'He was at Spurs' or 'He played for a London team'

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on May 10, 2015, 12:36:53 PM

I don't really see the point of Cattermole, at least in the context of our squad. Yeah, I guess he's grown out of being strictly a clogger/kick-the-shit-out-of-people player in the past couple of seasons but he's hardly a clear upgrade on either Sanchez or Westwood, more of an in-between. Factor in Gardner who may have a shot and I don't see the need to spend a couple of million on him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on May 10, 2015, 12:42:53 PM

Quote from: passitsideways on May 10, 2015, 12:36:53 PM

I don't really see the point of Cattermole, at least in the context of our squad. Yeah, I guess he's grown out of being strictly a clogger/kick-the-shit-out-of-people player in the past couple of seasons but he's hardly a clear upgrade on either Sanchez or Westwood, more of an in-between. Factor in Gardner who may have a shot and I don't see the need to spend a couple of million on him.

You could have left it at that. He's like the last generation of clogging English midfielders, the focus on young players now coming through seems to finally be on technique.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: DB on May 10, 2015, 12:46:44 PM

Quote from: Londonvilla on May 10, 2015, 11:32:30 AM

Christian Benteke could stay at Aston Villa if they win the FA Cup and qualify for Europa League

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/christian-benteke-could-stay-aston-5669758

The Belgian has been linked with a move away from Villa but his chances of staying would be improved if they can overcome Arsenal

Christian Benteke’s chances of staying at Aston Villa will improve if Tim Sherwood’s men lift the FA Cup, writes Neil Moxley in the Sunday People.

The Belgium striker is anxious to test himself in Europe next season as he looks to confirm his emergence as one of the best strikers on the continent.
If Arsenal win the FA Cup, Villa will not qualify for the Europa League as the losers do not now gain automatic entry into the competition.

But victory will enable Benteke to test himself – a fact that is important to the forward ahead of the upcoming European Championships.

He missed the World Cup last year due to injury and wants to be playing regularly – a fact that also increases Villa’s chances of retaining him.

Benteke is open-minded about staying at Villa – he is settled in the area and has another two years on his current contract to run.

However, that would be thrown into confusion if a £150million deal to buy Villa were to go ahead.


Pay his agent what he wants...sign him up for 4 years and then if he wants to go to play in the CL in 2017 then sell him for £55M

No direct quotes from the Mirror. Take a player who is doing well from a club outside the top 4 and get him 'sold' to  make a story over the summer. Next we will see him in his new shirt..'this is how Beneteke could look in his (insert top 4 club here) kit'.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on May 10, 2015, 12:47:18 PM

Quote from: Londonvilla on May 10, 2015, 11:32:30 AM

Christian Benteke could stay at Aston Villa if they win the FA Cup and qualify for Europa League

Of course this is speculation but Christian GO AND WIN THE CUP and we will love you forever if you stay or not.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on May 10, 2015, 12:48:24 PM

I'm sure he's done Gavin McCann proud though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on May 10, 2015, 12:55:18 PM

Quote from: Rudy65 on May 10, 2015, 09:45:08 AM

Quote from: Monty on May 10, 2015, 09:28:20 AM

What exactly does Livermore do? Never been particularly impressed with him. Mind you, that's what I said about Cleverley.

He is a mirror image of Cleverley so maybe the latter isnt going to join us and Livermore is the replacement. I guess TS has to have options

Livermore is one of those that the media hype a little as a good young prospect but doesnt appear to have the form to back it up. That said he maybe worth taking a gamble on if the terms are ok

The Cleverley under Lambert.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 10, 2015, 01:03:27 PM

Quote from: Clampy on May 10, 2015, 10:02:20 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on May 10, 2015, 08:02:03 AM

Following yesterdays game my revised list is:

Given - I'd be inclined to give Guzan another season but would would make a cheeky enquiry about Petr Cech.  Mourinho does not want to sell to an English Club (I assume he means a title challenger like Arse/Liverpool) and Cech may want to stay in the UK which would give us a chance.

Richardson - thought he was okay yesterday but... - Andrew Robertson at Hull looks good going forward (see his goal v eng) but I have no idea if he can defend.  Davies at Spurs or Taylor at Swansea may be alternatives which I have heard about.

Striker/Inside forward - Sinclair and Gabby are options here but I think this position needs to be our marquee signing (assuming the cech thing is unrealistic).

This assumes that no first team will leave.  A few squad fillers and youngsters too. 

Ben Davies is a very good shout.

Yep, would be a good signing.  Still young, but has quite a bit of Premiership experience.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: barrysleftfoot on May 10, 2015, 02:31:11 PM

 Livermore, a few years ago, looked a very good prospect, but for me hasn't developed.Would stick with Sanchez, and have a look at GG tbh.

 We need a LB, would go for Davies, or the lad at Ipswich who looks a good prospect, and , IF we have some money, i would buy the lad at Boggies, Berahinio.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 10, 2015, 10:18:58 PM

There's something about Berahino that makes me think he'll piss his talent away.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 10, 2015, 10:20:58 PM

I reckon we should gazump Manure and buy Lloris. Will only cost £30m+ apparently.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on May 10, 2015, 11:02:20 PM

Matt Phillips at QPR impressed me at VP recently. Worth a look I'd say.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: DB on May 10, 2015, 11:14:07 PM

Quote from: Des Little on May 10, 2015, 11:02:20 PM

Matt Phillips at QPR impressed me at VP recently. Worth a look I'd say.

Yes, he turned Richardson inside out and created a lot for them. My QPR mate says he's a favourite with them.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on May 10, 2015, 11:23:53 PM

Cleverley wants to stay.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on May 10, 2015, 11:29:05 PM

Than you for that excelle news. Now I can go to bed and sleep soundly.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: thick_mike on May 10, 2015, 11:30:54 PM

Who would have thought a couple of months ago that my response to that would be "great news!"?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 10, 2015, 11:32:43 PM

Quote from: DB on May 10, 2015, 11:14:07 PM

Quote from: Des Little on May 10, 2015, 11:02:20 PM

Matt Phillips at QPR impressed me at VP recently. Worth a look I'd say.

Yes, he turned Richardson inside out and created a lot for them. My QPR mate says he's a favourite with them.

Is that because of Phillips or Richardson?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 10, 2015, 11:36:47 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 10, 2015, 11:32:43 PM

Quote from: DB on May 10, 2015, 11:14:07 PM

Quote from: Des Little on May 10, 2015, 11:02:20 PM

Matt Phillips at QPR impressed me at VP recently. Worth a look I'd say.

Yes, he turned Richardson inside out and created a lot for them. My QPR mate says he's a favourite with them.

Is that because of Phillips or Richardson?

I think i know the answer.

Although to be fair to Phillips a couple of weeks ago I seem to remember someone saying he had the 2nd most assists in the top european leagues since the turn of the year. Too lazy to find out if it is still the case. Probably not.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Londonvilla on May 11, 2015, 12:46:29 AM

Aston Villa ‘in talks to seal £3million Scott Sinclair transfer from Manchester City’

http://metro.co.uk/2015/05/10/aston-villa-in-talks-to-seal-3million-scott-sinclair-transfer-from-manchester-city-5190236/

Aston Villa are reportedly holding talks with Scott Sinclair and hope to complete a £3million transfer.

The Villans have had the Manchester City speedster on loan this season and Tim Sherwood is keen to finalise a permanent move.

Sinclair, 26, has impressed the Villa boss sufficiently to convince him to part with £3m.

The Olympics star has represented his country at under-21 level seven times but his career stalled after a move to Manchester.

He has appeared rejuvenated at Villa and a permanent deal looks almost certain, according to the Star.

Not sue about this "according to the Star" ....is he on a free at the end of the season? if not £3m would be ok as a back up to Jack

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 11, 2015, 01:06:09 AM

Quote from: Londonvilla on May 11, 2015, 12:46:29 AM

is he on a free at the end of the season? if not £3m would be ok as a back up to Jack

Contracted to Citeh until 2016.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 11, 2015, 01:06:49 AM

He's not on a free. £3m for him and Cleverley combined is a hell of a deal. And Sinclair shouldn't be considered a back up to Grealish. He's another very good option and Grealish will hit a wall or a dip in form at some point. Having both makes our left side very useful indeed and we need healthy competition in all positions.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 11, 2015, 01:07:36 AM

Kendrick in the Mail

Quote

West Bromwich Albion are reportedly interested in signing former Baggies miss and Aston Villa hit Scott Sinclair.

According to our sister title the Sunday Mirror, Tony Pulis hopes to hijack Tim Sherwood's permanent move for the Manchester City winger.

Sherwood has spoken of wanting to take Sinclair on a long-term basis when his loan deal expires at the end of the season.

The former Chelsea and Swansea wideman has impressed during his brief stint in claret and blue, scoring three times, including a goal in Villa's FA Cup quarter final victory over Albion.

His season long spell at The Hawthorns in 2013-14 fell flat with Sinclair making six starts and five substitute appearances.

The Sunday Mirror says Pulis wants more pace in wide areas and has noted that Sinclair, who also spent a brief time on loan at Birmingham City, has been less involved at Villa since the emergence of Jack Grealish.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 11, 2015, 01:12:58 AM

Hahahahaha

I can only imagine he'll want to sign for us even faster now knowing that the Smethwick Tramps are after him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on May 11, 2015, 07:13:19 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 11, 2015, 01:07:36 AM

Kendrick in the Mail

Quote

West Bromwich Albion are reportedly interested in signing former Baggies miss and Aston Villa hit Scott Sinclair.

According to our sister title the Sunday Mirror, Tony Pulis hopes to hijack Tim Sherwood's permanent move for the Manchester City winger.

Sherwood has spoken of wanting to take Sinclair on a long-term basis when his loan deal expires at the end of the season.

The former Chelsea and Swansea wideman has impressed during his brief stint in claret and blue, scoring three times, including a goal in Villa's FA Cup quarter final victory over Albion.

His season long spell at The Hawthorns in 2013-14 fell flat with Sinclair making six starts and five substitute appearances.

The Sunday Mirror says Pulis wants more pace in wide areas and has noted that Sinclair, who also spent a brief time on loan at Birmingham City, has been less involved at Villa since the emergence of Jack Grealish.

I stopped reading after I read the words 'The Sunday Mirror'.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on May 11, 2015, 07:20:01 AM

Nick mashiter reckons the Sinclair deal is practically done

He's more of a winger whereas grealish looks more of a no 10

Wouldn't mind Phillips at all as we need a right sided option

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Saunders9 on May 11, 2015, 07:51:44 AM

Charlie Austin only has a year left on his contract,  if Benteke did (and I hope he doesn't) leave, he would be a great signing

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 11, 2015, 11:16:54 AM

Quote from: Saunders9 on May 11, 2015, 07:51:44 AM

Charlie Austin only has a year left on his contract,  if Benteke did (and I hope he doesn't) leave, he would be a great signing

Now that's a baggies signing

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on May 11, 2015, 11:24:48 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 11, 2015, 01:07:36 AM

Kendrick in the Mail

Quote

West Bromwich Albion are reportedly interested in signing former Baggies miss and Aston Villa hit Scott Sinclair.

According to our sister title the Sunday Mirror, Tony Pulis hopes to hijack Tim Sherwood's permanent move for the Manchester City winger.

Sherwood has spoken of wanting to take Sinclair on a long-term basis when his loan deal expires at the end of the season.

The former Chelsea and Swansea wideman has impressed during his brief stint in claret and blue, scoring three times, including a goal in Villa's FA Cup quarter final victory over Albion.

His season long spell at The Hawthorns in 2013-14 fell flat with Sinclair making six starts and five substitute appearances.

The Sunday Mirror says Pulis wants more pace in wide areas and has noted that Sinclair, who also spent a brief time on loan at Birmingham City, has been less involved at Villa since the emergence of Jack Grealish.

LMFAO. He absolutely hated playing for that non entity, bell end supported club. There's more chance of me playing for Albion than Sinclair going back their to play for the new Wimbledon. Tony Penis, what a funny guy.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 11, 2015, 11:38:38 AM

Sinclair and TC signed up would be a great start. Then we can bring in 2-3 more players on top (especially a Left Back). Job done.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 11, 2015, 11:44:25 AM

Being about to sign for us and having Albion "hijack" the deal?

Surely even the likes of the local media can spot the great big reality hole in a concept like that?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on May 11, 2015, 12:59:02 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 11, 2015, 11:44:25 AM

Being about to sign for us and having Albion "hijack" the deal?

Surely even the likes of the local media can spot the great big reality hole in a concept like that?

Never under estimate how much more viscous than porcine excrement they can be.

Don't forget they're the ones that reported a Chinese consortium being at due diligence with us, but keeping an eye on the Junction 1 truck stop bunch as an alternative.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 11, 2015, 01:36:53 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 11, 2015, 07:20:01 AM

Nick mashiter reckons the Sinclair deal is practically done

He's more of a winger whereas grealish looks more of a no 10

Might have been covered elsewhere, but why wasn't he on the bench on Saturday.  Agree with the second point and think he would replace N'Zogbia in the current line up rather than Grealish. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Edvard Remberg on May 11, 2015, 02:14:16 PM

Would Sir Tim be able to get good usage from Kevin P Boateng? Released today by Schalke.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 11, 2015, 02:45:20 PM

Sinclair would be more of an alternative/backup to Gabby or N'Zogbia.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tom jennings III on May 11, 2015, 03:26:20 PM

I would have Sinclair over both of them, agree that's his competition though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 11, 2015, 04:47:32 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on May 11, 2015, 01:36:53 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 11, 2015, 07:20:01 AM

Nick mashiter reckons the Sinclair deal is practically done

He's more of a winger whereas grealish looks more of a no 10

Might have been covered elsewhere, but why wasn't he on the bench on Saturday.  Agree with the second point and think he would replace N'Zogbia in the current line up rather than Grealish. 

Could have been a fitness issue perhaps. Otherwise I think he'd have been there over Weimann.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on May 11, 2015, 04:49:38 PM

I can't remember seeing Sinclair play out on the right: he seems to be all about cutting in from the left to shoot. I suspect that if he stays, he'll either backup Grealish, or he'll play on the left side of a front two, or maybe Jack plays more centrally with Sinclair flanking him.

I actually think he and Gil are sort of a mirror image of the Grealish-CNZ combo behind Benteke: with him as the pacey dribbler and Gil as the left-footed Grealish starting on the right but effectively just floating around looking to link up play.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on May 11, 2015, 07:13:26 PM

Sinclair looks a better player than gabby nzogbia and Weimann to me.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 11, 2015, 07:15:18 PM

He's certainly a good option.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Londonvilla on May 11, 2015, 07:31:36 PM

Aston Villa transfer target Florin Andone suffers complete head loss

http://metro.co.uk/2015/05/11/aston-villa-transfer-target-florin-andone-suffers-complete-head-loss-5190594/

Aston Villa transfer target Florin Andone has suffered from a complete head loss following his side’s latest defeat in La Liga.
Cordoba had already been relegated and are 11 points adrift of the rest of the league.
The Romanian striker went berserk after his team’s 2-0 defeat to Granada and launched into a huge rant.
‘I’m angry because I suck, I can’t F***ing pass, I’m fed up,’ he said. ‘We are all thinking about next season and we don’t go and play with dignity.

‘If we suck we suck but at least we must go on the field and play with attitude, with effort.
‘We had an awful match. Didn’t shoot once. Please let this league end because we’re pathetic.’

Maybe Villa should think twice before signing this guy…

He may Suck but at least he cares....

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Londonvilla on May 11, 2015, 07:40:59 PM

Aston Villa plot summer move for Nottingham Forest winger

http://footballleagueworld.co.uk/aston-villa-plot-summer-move-for-nottingham-forest-winger/?

Aston Villa plot summer move for Nottingham Forest winger
Premier League side Aston Villa have been linked with a move for Nottingham Forest winger Michail Antonio, according to reports on SBNation.com.

Antonio is a major transfer target for Aston Villa
The West Midlands side have been linked with a move for their local rivals winger Bakary Sako but the Wolverhampton Wanderers man is demanding £50,000 a week, and Villa are not prepared to pay that sort of money for him.

Therefore, Villa boss Tim Sherwood has turned his mind to capturing Forest player of the season Antonio. The wide man has bagged himself an impressive 15 goals in the Sky Bet Championship this season as well as pitching in with 12 assists for his team which is a good tally for a winger.

If the move for Antonio did materialise, it would put some Aston Villa player’s futures in doubt. The most notable of those would be Charles N’Zogbia who has only just started to feature again under Sherwood but his performances have not been up to the standard that the Villa Park faithful are looking for.

No fee has been mentioned as of yet but the situation of the Nottingham Forest player is one that will certainly develop over the summer months.

Anyone been watch Forest play and can tell us all some more about Antonio?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Londonvilla on May 11, 2015, 07:46:50 PM

Check out show reel

Nottingham Forests Michail Antonio - GOALS

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Londonvilla on May 11, 2015, 07:51:00 PM

Good News

Tom Cleverley admits he loves playing for Aston Villa and would definitely consider permanent switch from Manchester United

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3075875/Tom-Cleverley-admits-loves-playing-Aston-Villa-definitely-consider-permanent-switch-Manchester-United.html

Smiles, not money, have convinced Tom Cleverley a permanent move to Aston Villa is something he should pursue this summer.
The central midfielder has been a shining light in Villa’s recent resurgence, his latest show-stopping performance coming as he scored a third goal in as many games on Saturday.
That win all but secured their Premier League safety and Villa manager Tim Sherwood wants to hold talks with Cleverley, a free agent when his Manchester United contract expires, in the coming weeks.

The 25-year-old is receptive to that — although there are likely to be a string of offers here and abroad.
‘I’ve really got to like playing for this club in the last few months,’ Cleverley said. ‘This manager, you have to give him credit for getting me where I am over the last few weeks.

‘I feel like I’m playing in my best position, confidence is high. Not only among myself but also among the team. All those factors help. I’m happy and playing with a smile on my face.

Sign him out on a 4 year deal and lets move on......

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on May 11, 2015, 07:59:54 PM

Anyone of:

Eran Zahavi, Mauro Icardi, Bas Dost, Jackson Martínez, Alexandre Lacazette or Charlie Austin

to replace Gabby or Benteke (if sold) would do nicely.

Mohamed Salah outright for £7/8m or loan as well please he's doing very well on loan at Fiorentina.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on May 11, 2015, 08:03:39 PM

Quote from: Londonvilla on May 11, 2015, 07:46:50 PM

Check out show reel

Nottingham Forests Michail Antonio - GOALS

There's a lot of headers scored there. Big guy for a winger. Not sure about him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Londonvilla on May 11, 2015, 08:04:46 PM

How long before we are link with this ex Spur player

Schalke sack former Tottenham midfielder Kevin-Prince Boateng and Sidney Sam with immediate effect after defeat at the weekend

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european/schalke-sack-former-tottenham-midfielder-kevinprince-boateng-and-sidney-sam-with-immediate-effect-after-defeat-at-the-weekend-10241664.html

Kevin-Prince Boateng and Sidney Sam have both been sacked by Schalke following the 2-0 defeat to Koln after the club's sporting director Horst Heidt threatened "consequences" should they fail to win the game.

In a statement released by the club on their official website, it was confirmed that both Boateng and Sam have been released by the club, while Marco Hoger has been suspended until the end of the week.

The statement read: “Schalke sporting director Horst Heldt announced there would be consequences after Sunday’s defeat away to 1 FC Köln and the first action has been taken: Kevin-Prince Boateng and Sidney Sam have been released with immediate effect. Marco Höger is suspended from training and first-team action up to and including Saturday, 16th May.”

Former Tottenham forward Boateng joined the Bundesliga side in 2013 after a three-year spell with AC Milan, but he has been released with immediate effect despite Schalke still having two league games to play this season.

Winger Sam only arrived at the Veltins-Arena last January after leaving Bayer Leverkusen for €2.5m, but despite signing a four-year contract with the club, he has been released.

Schalke sit sixth in the Bundesliga table, and while that doesn’t seem disastrous for the club, their season has fallen well short of expectations. A run of two wins in their last 12 league games as well as Champions League elimination to Real Madrid has seen the club, and despite Borussia Dortmund’s woeful start to the season, they are now just two points behind their German rivals.

Ex-Ghana international Boateng has made 18 Bundesliga appearances this season although he has failed to find the back of the net, while Sam, who has been capped five times by Germany, has started just seven games and has been criticised for his below-par performances since joining from Leverkusen

If you had to take one or have you hands chop off who would you have Kevin-Prince Boateng or Adel Taarabt.....Just think Tim has worked with both.....Could he get a tune out of them?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 11, 2015, 08:18:20 PM

Boateng all day long. Taraabt is a total waster. Plenty of talent but makes the likes of Dalian/Curcic look like model pros. He can't even get into a shite QPR side.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 11, 2015, 08:19:30 PM

Taarabt every time. Younger than Boateng and I have seen him win games almost single handedly. Of course he does his invisible man routine far more often... But out of the two I would bet on Sherwood getting more out of Taarabt.

They are both squeaky players who I would sooner do without tbh.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LukeJames on May 11, 2015, 08:27:56 PM

Quote from: Londonvilla on May 11, 2015, 08:04:46 PM

How long before we are link with this ex Spur player

Schalke sack former Tottenham midfielder Kevin-Prince Boateng and Sidney Sam with immediate effect after defeat at the weekend

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european/schalke-sack-former-tottenham-midfielder-kevinprince-boateng-and-sidney-sam-with-immediate-effect-after-defeat-at-the-weekend-10241664.html

Kevin-Prince Boateng and Sidney Sam have both been sacked by Schalke following the 2-0 defeat to Koln after the club's sporting director Horst Heidt threatened "consequences" should they fail to win the game.

In a statement released by the club on their official website, it was confirmed that both Boateng and Sam have been released by the club, while Marco Hoger has been suspended until the end of the week.

The statement read: “Schalke sporting director Horst Heldt announced there would be consequences after Sunday’s defeat away to 1 FC Köln and the first action has been taken: Kevin-Prince Boateng and Sidney Sam have been released with immediate effect. Marco Höger is suspended from training and first-team action up to and including Saturday, 16th May.”

Former Tottenham forward Boateng joined the Bundesliga side in 2013 after a three-year spell with AC Milan, but he has been released with immediate effect despite Schalke still having two league games to play this season.

Winger Sam only arrived at the Veltins-Arena last January after leaving Bayer Leverkusen for €2.5m, but despite signing a four-year contract with the club, he has been released.

Schalke sit sixth in the Bundesliga table, and while that doesn’t seem disastrous for the club, their season has fallen well short of expectations. A run of two wins in their last 12 league games as well as Champions League elimination to Real Madrid has seen the club, and despite Borussia Dortmund’s woeful start to the season, they are now just two points behind their German rivals.

Ex-Ghana international Boateng has made 18 Bundesliga appearances this season although he has failed to find the back of the net, while Sam, who has been capped five times by Germany, has started just seven games and has been criticised for his below-par performances since joining from Leverkusen

If you had to take one or have you hands chop off who would you have Kevin-Prince Boateng or Adel Taarabt.....Just think Tim has worked with both.....Could he get a tune out of them?

They sacked them purely for losing?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on May 11, 2015, 08:36:05 PM

I see Tim Sherwood is at the Swindon Sheffield Utd playoff tonight.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john2710 on May 11, 2015, 08:45:02 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on May 11, 2015, 08:19:30 PM

Taarabt every time. Younger than Boateng and I have seen him win games almost single handedly. Of course he does his invisible man routine far more often... But out of the two I would bet on Sherwood getting more out of Taarabt.

They are both squeaky players who I would sooner do without tbh.

No chance Taarabt, the last thing we need or Sherwood would tollerate is a complete waster like him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dekko on May 11, 2015, 09:18:36 PM

Quote from: dave shelley on May 11, 2015, 08:36:05 PM

I see Tim Sherwood is at the Swindon Sheffield Utd playoff tonight.

The photo on bbc sport has him stood next to Paddy Reilly (?) who is our head of recruitment.

I imagine they're there to see that Luongo fella

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on May 11, 2015, 09:23:42 PM

That would be my take on it but, you never know.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on May 11, 2015, 09:28:57 PM

Quote from: dekko on May 11, 2015, 09:18:36 PM

Quote from: dave shelley on May 11, 2015, 08:36:05 PM

I see Tim Sherwood is at the Swindon Sheffield Utd playoff tonight.

The photo on bbc sport has him stood next to Paddy Reilly (?) who is our head of recruitment.

I imagine they're there to see that Luongo fella

He hasnt looked like he's ready for the step up.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on May 11, 2015, 09:35:20 PM

(http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/512/mcs/media/images/82924000/jpg/_82924085_sherwood.jpg)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard E on May 11, 2015, 09:38:32 PM

The score in that game is currently 5-5

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on May 11, 2015, 09:45:35 PM

Ha, shows what I know, I turned over.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: leylandalbion on May 11, 2015, 10:09:28 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on May 11, 2015, 09:35:20 PM

(http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/512/mcs/media/images/82924000/jpg/_82924085_sherwood.jpg)

Maybe his after a new job?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Londonvilla on May 11, 2015, 10:14:13 PM

Quote from: dekko on May 11, 2015, 09:18:36 PM

Quote from: dave shelley on May 11, 2015, 08:36:05 PM

I see Tim Sherwood is at the Swindon Sheffield Utd playoff tonight.

The photo on bbc sport has him stood next to Paddy Reilly (?) who is our head of recruitment.

I imagine they're there to see that Luongo fella

Luongo show reel

He looks like a poor mans Tom Cleverley

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 11, 2015, 10:21:48 PM

Quote from: Londonvilla on May 11, 2015, 10:14:13 PM

Quote from: dekko on May 11, 2015, 09:18:36 PM

Quote from: dave shelley on May 11, 2015, 08:36:05 PM

I see Tim Sherwood is at the Swindon Sheffield Utd playoff tonight.

The photo on bbc sport has him stood next to Paddy Reilly (?) who is our head of recruitment.

I imagine they're there to see that Luongo fella

Luongo show reel

He looks like a poor mans Tom Cleverley

That good?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve R on May 11, 2015, 10:22:17 PM

Quote from: leylandalbion on May 11, 2015, 10:09:28 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on May 11, 2015, 09:35:20 PM

(http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/512/mcs/media/images/82924000/jpg/_82924085_sherwood.jpg)

Maybe his after a new job?

Maybe he's been in the area delivering Milk Tray and thought he'd take in a game before setting off back home.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eamonn on May 11, 2015, 10:32:08 PM

Paddy's haircut...you don't see that moptop much these days within the corridors of football.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on May 11, 2015, 10:52:40 PM

What are Sean Dyche and Jarvis Cocker doing there?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on May 11, 2015, 10:55:52 PM

Considering Cleverley and Delph can't physically play the tempo they play every game, a backup option in those roles is pretty vital. This lad looks like he has some skill and a trick or two, and gets forward well. Will be interesting if he is a cheap one.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on May 11, 2015, 10:58:20 PM

Quote from: Des Little on May 11, 2015, 10:52:40 PM

What are Sean Dyche and Jarvis Cocker doing there?

I had not looked at the others in the picture, but now you draw my attention to it, is that a fella behind Sherwood?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 11, 2015, 11:36:08 PM

Quote from: Des Little on May 11, 2015, 10:52:40 PM

What are Sean Dyche and Jarvis Cocker doing there?

Was gonna say the same!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Karl Bridges on May 12, 2015, 12:11:38 AM

Even Joey Barton thinks Adel Taraabt is a wrong un. No ta on that one.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on May 12, 2015, 12:43:56 AM

Quote from: PeterWithe on May 10, 2015, 09:55:31 AM

The fella Brady at Hull always catches the eye on MOTD as he hits a good set piece, what is his all round game like?

Decent enough with scope to improve. Has been keeping Andy Robertson out of the Hull side for a lot of the season at wing back

Brady would be better further up the pitch. Doesnt quite have the all round game yet but a better bet than Nzogbia and Weimann anyway

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 12, 2015, 12:47:35 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 11, 2015, 10:58:20 PM

Quote from: Des Little on May 11, 2015, 10:52:40 PM

What are Sean Dyche and Jarvis Cocker doing there?

I had not looked at the others in the picture, but now you draw my attention to it, is that a fella behind Sherwood?

It looks like 1980s Alison Moyet and Martin Gore to me.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 12, 2015, 12:53:16 AM

is that Joe Cole in the red tracksuit?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 12, 2015, 02:43:51 AM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on May 11, 2015, 09:35:20 PM

(http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/512/mcs/media/images/82924000/jpg/_82924085_sherwood.jpg)

I know Sherwood has done a good job for us, but that lass doesn't need to kiss his hand like that. A quick "Thanks Tim" would have sufficed.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on May 12, 2015, 03:59:31 AM

Nest to the man/woman in blue is that a transvestite or a post-op woman?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 12, 2015, 07:09:38 AM

Quote from: peter w on May 12, 2015, 03:59:31 AM

Nest to the man/woman in blue is that a transvestite or a post-op woman?

Hayley Cropper is an icon in Swindon.

The bird behind Sean Dyche is tidy.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on May 12, 2015, 07:54:03 AM

I'm not a violent man, but Paddy Reilly has a very punchable face

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: D.boy on May 12, 2015, 09:22:59 AM

Celeb spotting in that photo....
Roddy McDowall, Dom Jolly, Emma Watson, Nicola Roberts (Girls Aloud) & Jarvis Cocker

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 12, 2015, 09:56:32 AM

Quote from: Malandro on May 12, 2015, 07:54:03 AM

I'm not a violent man, but Paddy Reilly has a very punchable face

He reminds me of that actor. The one who is in 90% of television dramas but whose name nobody ever knows. He's in The Game at the moment, plays the copper.

Hang on.

EDIT I'm back. This dude:

(http://cdn.hitfix.com/photos/5814716/Shaun-Dooley-of-The-Game_article_story_main.jpg)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on May 12, 2015, 10:00:51 AM

Quote from: Malandro on May 12, 2015, 07:54:03 AM

I'm not a violent man, but Paddy Reilly has a very punchable face

This may be a whole new thread but, a when it comes to ' punchable faces' , I'd fancy a swing at Alex Salmond  (Nationalsozialistische Schottisch Arbeiterpartei – NSSAP).................Godzvilla!.(p.s...also not, by nature, a violent man)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 12, 2015, 10:45:51 AM

Quote from: godzvilla on May 12, 2015, 10:00:51 AM

Quote from: Malandro on May 12, 2015, 07:54:03 AM

I'm not a violent man, but Paddy Reilly has a very punchable face

This may be a whole new thread but, a when it comes to ' punchable faces' , I'd fancy a swing at Alex Salmond  (Nationalsozialistische Schottisch Arbeiterpartei – NSSAP).................Godzvilla!.(p.s...also not, by nature, a violent man)

I think a punchable face thread should be started.

Mandatory declaration of not being a violent man.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Damo70 on May 12, 2015, 10:57:03 AM

Quote from: Duncan Shaw on May 11, 2015, 11:36:08 PM

Quote from: Des Little on May 11, 2015, 10:52:40 PM

What are Sean Dyche and Jarvis Cocker doing there?

Was gonna say the same!

It does look like Jarvis Cocker. I couldn't spot the Sean Dyche everyone was talking about. Then I realised I had to move the pic along! However, I think Paulie wins the lookalike spotter competition with his Martin Gore.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: itbrvilla on May 12, 2015, 11:00:14 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 12, 2015, 07:09:38 AM

Quote from: peter w on May 12, 2015, 03:59:31 AM

Nest to the man/woman in blue is that a transvestite or a post-op woman?

Hayley Cropper is an icon in Swindon.

The bird behind Sean Dyche is tidy.

She's probably 14.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Damo70 on May 12, 2015, 11:02:00 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 12, 2015, 09:56:32 AM

Quote from: Malandro on May 12, 2015, 07:54:03 AM

I'm not a violent man, but Paddy Reilly has a very punchable face

He reminds me of that actor. The one who is in 90% of television dramas but whose name nobody ever knows. He's in The Game at the moment, plays the copper.

Hang on.

EDIT I'm back. This dude:

(http://cdn.hitfix.com/photos/5814716/Shaun-Dooley-of-The-Game_article_story_main.jpg)

Isn't he the first bloke the BBC phone when they need someone to play the put upon/down on his luck husband role? He was in one of those factory things wasn't he? Clocking off? I think he was also in an ITV thing, married to Jasper Carrott's daughter and she was terminally ill.

As you see from my post I know very minute detail of his career. I should do his Wiki page.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 12, 2015, 11:07:42 AM

Quote from: itbrvilla on May 12, 2015, 11:00:14 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 12, 2015, 07:09:38 AM

Quote from: peter w on May 12, 2015, 03:59:31 AM

Nest to the man/woman in blue is that a transvestite or a post-op woman?

Hayley Cropper is an icon in Swindon.

The bird behind Sean Dyche is tidy.

She's probably 14.

And hopefully keeps herself tidy and her room

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on May 12, 2015, 11:15:12 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 12, 2015, 07:09:38 AM

Quote from: peter w on May 12, 2015, 03:59:31 AM

Nest to the man/woman in blue is that a transvestite or a post-op woman?

Hayley Cropper is an icon in Swindon.

The bird behind Sean Dyche is tidy.

Mind the trams, Len.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 12, 2015, 11:47:30 AM

Quote from: LeeB on May 12, 2015, 11:15:12 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 12, 2015, 07:09:38 AM

Quote from: peter w on May 12, 2015, 03:59:31 AM

Nest to the man/woman in blue is that a transvestite or a post-op woman?

Hayley Cropper is an icon in Swindon.

The bird behind Sean Dyche is tidy.

Mind the trams, Len.

Don't you mean Alan?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 12, 2015, 11:47:41 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 12, 2015, 09:56:32 AM

Quote from: Malandro on May 12, 2015, 07:54:03 AM

I'm not a violent man, but Paddy Reilly has a very punchable face

He reminds me of that actor. The one who is in 90% of television dramas but whose name nobody ever knows. He's in The Game at the moment, plays the copper.

Hang on.

EDIT I'm back. This dude:

(http://cdn.hitfix.com/photos/5814716/Shaun-Dooley-of-The-Game_article_story_main.jpg)

Shaun Dooley, Barnsley supporter, does a lot of documentary voice overs.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 12, 2015, 12:34:03 PM

Linked with Brentford (and former Spurs) keeper, David Button:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11599079/Aston-Villa-want-to-sign-Brentford-goalkeeper-David-Button.html

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on May 12, 2015, 01:06:10 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 12, 2015, 11:47:30 AM

Quote from: LeeB on May 12, 2015, 11:15:12 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 12, 2015, 07:09:38 AM

Quote from: peter w on May 12, 2015, 03:59:31 AM

Nest to the man/woman in blue is that a transvestite or a post-op woman?

Hayley Cropper is an icon in Swindon.

The bird behind Sean Dyche is tidy.

Mind the trams, Len.

Don't you mean Alan?

Yes, and that's totally bollocksed my attempted gag

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 12, 2015, 01:16:13 PM

Quote from: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 12, 2015, 12:34:03 PM

Linked with Brentford (and former Spurs) keeper, David Button:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11599079/Aston-Villa-want-to-sign-Brentford-goalkeeper-David-Button.html

I hope this is just lazy journalism and the full extent of Tim's scouting is more than simply ex-spurs players.  That is not a judgement on Button's ability more a hope that our scouts have cast the net a little wider than the obvious.

Here's a left-field/ambitious suggestion, how about trying to temp Man City with a loan for Stevan Jovetic?  Or Chelsea's Salah?
Both were highly rated but have struggled at the big clubs.  Like Cleverly they may learn to love the club and consider a move the season after...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on May 12, 2015, 01:24:05 PM

I really would like us to sign Petr Cech. He is what we need in goal. I think Jose may let him come to us as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on May 12, 2015, 01:27:08 PM

I'm sure you're right but I'm equally sure we couldn't afford the fee or the player's salary. Oh and I don't think he'd come. So yes, but no.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 12, 2015, 01:51:56 PM

Cech is probably one of the Top 3 keepers in the league, is still under contract, and is relatively young for a keeper.  I suspect he'll go abroad to a Champions League side.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mal on May 12, 2015, 02:40:56 PM

Quote from: Malandro on May 12, 2015, 07:54:03 AM

I'm not a violent man, but Paddy Reilly has a very punchable face

The word you are looking for is backpfeifengesicht.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on May 12, 2015, 03:18:31 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 12, 2015, 07:09:38 AM

Quote from: peter w on May 12, 2015, 03:59:31 AM

Nest to the man/woman in blue is that a transvestite or a post-op woman?

Hayley Cropper is an icon in Swindon.

The bird behind Sean Dyche is tidy.

She's also 14

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on May 12, 2015, 03:31:02 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on May 12, 2015, 01:16:13 PM

Quote from: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 12, 2015, 12:34:03 PM

Linked with Brentford (and former Spurs) keeper, David Button:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11599079/Aston-Villa-want-to-sign-Brentford-goalkeeper-David-Button.html

I hope this is just lazy journalism and the full extent of Tim's scouting is more than simply ex-spurs players.  That is not a judgement on Button's ability more a hope that our scouts have cast the net a little wider than the obvious.

Here's a left-field/ambitious suggestion, how about trying to temp Man City with a loan for Stevan Jovetic?  Or Chelsea's Salah?
Both were highly rated but have struggled at the big clubs.  Like Cleverly they may learn to love the club and consider a move the season after...

I reckon those kinds of players would be on too-high wage packets for us to be taking on, even as a season loan.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 12, 2015, 03:31:38 PM

Quote from: passitsideways on May 12, 2015, 03:31:02 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on May 12, 2015, 01:16:13 PM

Quote from: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 12, 2015, 12:34:03 PM

Linked with Brentford (and former Spurs) keeper, David Button:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11599079/Aston-Villa-want-to-sign-Brentford-goalkeeper-David-Button.html

I hope this is just lazy journalism and the full extent of Tim's scouting is more than simply ex-spurs players.  That is not a judgement on Button's ability more a hope that our scouts have cast the net a little wider than the obvious.

Here's a left-field/ambitious suggestion, how about trying to temp Man City with a loan for Stevan Jovetic?  Or Chelsea's Salah?
Both were highly rated but have struggled at the big clubs.  Like Cleverly they may learn to love the club and consider a move the season after...

I reckon those kinds of players would be on too-high wage packets for us to be taking on, even as a season loan.

They'd all have better options as well.

Salah, for example, isn't he having a great season with Fiorentina?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Londonvilla on May 12, 2015, 07:49:49 PM

Aston Villa transfer update: Tim Sherwood scouts Massimo Luongo as Swindon Town beat Sheffield United

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfer-update-tim-9237337

Tim Sherwood takes another look at former Tottenham Hotspur midfielder

Tim Sherwood made another personal check on Swindon Town’s Massimo Luongo in the Robins’ pulsating play-off win over Sheffield United last night.

The Aston Villa boss took director of recruitment Paddy Reilly to the County Ground to watch the star midfielder who used to be his under-21 captain at Tottenham Hotspur.

Luongo played for the duration of the game which ended 5-5 and saw Swindon progress to the final after a 7-6 aggregate win.

The Australian star looks destined to move this summer regardless of what division his current side are playing in, and Sherwood is a well-known fan.

When at Spurs, the boss allowed the 22-year-old to move to Swindon to help further his career as he knew he wouldn’t get a chance in the first-team.

This season he has watched him on a number of occasions and has been encouraged by what he has seen.

Reilly was in attendance last night to give a second opinion and also cast his eye on the other talent on show.

What could put Villa in the driving seat to land Luongo this summer is Sherwood's close relationship with Swindon chairman Lee Power.

The pair are good friends and have also enjoyed a good working relationship in recent years.

Lambert had a good record on transfers....taking into consideration he had no real money to spend and had to lower the wage bill.  Tim looking at another young box to box player but do we need him, is he an upgrade?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 12, 2015, 08:33:05 PM

If we get TC on a permanent I think our midfield is probably 6-9th quality. Sanchez will hopefully sharpen up over the summer. Westwood has regained form under TS. We have GG in contention next season. I think a young signing to add something to squad would be good. Luongo seems an ideal cover for TC or Delph.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 12, 2015, 08:58:36 PM

Quote from: supertom on May 12, 2015, 08:33:05 PM

If we get TC on a permanent I think our midfield is probably 6-9th quality. Sanchez will hopefully sharpen up over the summer. Westwood has regained form under TS. We have GG in contention next season. I think a young signing to add something to squad would be good. Luongo seems an ideal cover for TC or Delph.

The Burnley XI thread got me thinking about what our shadow side would currently look like:

                            Guzan

Hutton       Senderos        Clark / Baker         Cissokho

                              Sanchez

                Gardner               ?
           
                                 Cole

                 Agbonlahor             Sinclair


We have decent cover in most positions except for Cleverley and Delph.  I suppose Richardson could fill in there if required, but there are still big questions about Gardner in the top flight, so we will need some additional cover in there next season.   

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on May 12, 2015, 09:02:15 PM

Yeah the midfield three definitely looks the way to go

So we need to sign cleverley,  then have Sanchez and two others as back up. If that's Gardner and a new signing that would suit me. Luongo could be that man - ie not necessarily even on the bench to begin with. But I've never really seen him play. Daniel Johnson might have been an alternative . .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 12, 2015, 09:06:11 PM

If we get into the Europa League, we'll need a squad - two capable players in each position.

I doubt we'd be able to effectively sustain our current high tempo, high workrate game over a season with the same players week after week.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on May 12, 2015, 10:31:02 PM

I know it's pathetic but I'm worried about the Europa league. There's no way we've anything like the squad for that

Would need to bring in a fair few players

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 13, 2015, 12:07:00 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 12, 2015, 03:31:38 PM

Salah, for example, isn't he having a great season with Fiorentina?

True, but Villa would be able to pay a much bigger chunk of his wages to Chelsea so the player might not have the final say.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on May 13, 2015, 01:41:20 AM

I think Fiorentina have an option to buy, so it's a moot point anyway.

In terms of the left-back situation, I wonder if we'll make an approach for Luke Garbutt at Everton, given that it looks like he won't be signing a new contract there and Baines probably has a couple more years as first-choice. It's possible that he might not even surpass Bennett, but I worry about our ability to pick up a genuinely reliable LB without spending a biggish fee.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 13, 2015, 05:26:34 AM

Quote from: LeeB on May 12, 2015, 01:06:10 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 12, 2015, 11:47:30 AM

Quote from: LeeB on May 12, 2015, 11:15:12 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 12, 2015, 07:09:38 AM

Quote from: peter w on May 12, 2015, 03:59:31 AM

Nest to the man/woman in blue is that a transvestite or a post-op woman?

Hayley Cropper is an icon in Swindon.

The bird behind Sean Dyche is tidy.

Mind the trams, Len.

Don't you mean Alan?

Yes, and that's totally bollocksed my attempted gag

Serves you right. Anyway, she looks about 18/20 to me.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on May 13, 2015, 07:05:46 AM

I don't believe the mirror has any genuine info on benteke but I do think it's pretty likely he'll go

Replacing him would be a massive challenge. I don't watch enough football any more to know who I'd recommend. I can't see adebayor in a villa shirt and not sure I want to

Ings and Austin will both leave but they're very different players

Let's hope our foreign scouting system has spotted another gem

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 13, 2015, 07:15:47 AM

Cech linked with Beskitas by the papers/his agent.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on May 13, 2015, 07:26:28 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 13, 2015, 07:05:46 AM

I don't believe the mirror has any genuine info on benteke but I do think it's pretty likely he'll go

Replacing him would be a massive challenge. I don't watch enough football any more to know who I'd recommend. I can't see adebayor in a villa shirt and not sure I want to

Ings and Austin will both leave but they're very different players

Let's hope our foreign scouting system has spotted another gem

The Mirror are going to be linking him with a different club whenever they post a story about him so I wouldn't read too much into what they print. I reckon we'll get another season out of him personally.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on May 13, 2015, 08:25:02 AM

Does benteke have two years left on his contract?

If benteke doesn't sign a new deal, and we had the choice would you:
A) sell now for £30m+
B) Sell next summer for £20m
C) let leave in two years for free

I think I'd go B

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 13, 2015, 08:33:39 AM

D) Sign a contract extension and leave for 40m+ next summer.

If that isn't on then yeah, B.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on May 13, 2015, 08:35:00 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 13, 2015, 08:25:02 AM

Does benteke have two years left on his contract?

If benteke doesn't sign a new deal, and we had the choice would you:
A) sell now for £30m+
B) Sell next summer for £20m
C) let leave in two years for free

I think I'd go B

I'd take the 2 years of Benteke power.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 13, 2015, 09:34:49 AM

Quote from: Malandro on May 13, 2015, 08:35:00 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 13, 2015, 08:25:02 AM

Does benteke have two years left on his contract?

If benteke doesn't sign a new deal, and we had the choice would you:
A) sell now for £30m+
B) Sell next summer for £20m
C) let leave in two years for free

I think I'd go B

I'd take the 2 years of Benteke power.

I probably would too. He could potentially prove more valuable to us that any transfer fee we could get.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on May 13, 2015, 09:37:06 AM

Options B and C would depend an awful lot on his attitude if forced to stay.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 13, 2015, 09:40:30 AM

Quote from: dave shelley on May 13, 2015, 09:37:06 AM

Options B and C would depend an awful lot on his attitude if forced to stay.

There is that yes.
I think we'll get one more year out of him, or he could re-appraise his situation in January. If we're not continuing our forward progress then he may move either that window or get something in place for the summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on May 13, 2015, 09:44:17 AM

I'm waiting for the sage that is Darren Lewis to give us an exclusive on how he's going to Spurs, with us paying them to take him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on May 13, 2015, 09:52:21 AM

Quote from: Ads on May 13, 2015, 09:44:17 AM

I'm waiting for the sage that is Darren Lewis to give us an exclusive on how he's going to Spurs, with us paying them to take him.

I hope you tell then to eff off again boss

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: DrGonzo on May 13, 2015, 10:32:57 AM

Latest Benteke going to Chelsea or Roma, I wonder where he'll be going tomorrow??

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 13, 2015, 10:39:08 AM

Quote from: Malandro on May 12, 2015, 07:54:03 AM

I'm not a violent man, but Paddy Reilly has a very punchable face

So does Darren Lewis

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: not3bad on May 13, 2015, 10:43:16 AM

Quote from: Clampy on May 13, 2015, 07:26:28 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 13, 2015, 07:05:46 AM

I don't believe the mirror has any genuine info on benteke but I do think it's pretty likely he'll go

Replacing him would be a massive challenge. I don't watch enough football any more to know who I'd recommend. I can't see adebayor in a villa shirt and not sure I want to

Ings and Austin will both leave but they're very different players

Let's hope our foreign scouting system has spotted another gem

The Mirror are going to be linking him with a different club whenever they post a story about him so I wouldn't read too much into what they print. I reckon we'll get another season out of him personally.

Think it depends on a few things - Premier league status/buyout/outcome of the cup final.  If everything goes as we dream it will he might sign a new contract and then we'd get a shitload when he does finally go.  But there's a lot of "ifs" lining up there.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OzVilla on May 13, 2015, 11:50:11 AM

Quote from: Ads on May 13, 2015, 09:44:17 AM

I'm waiting for the sage that is Darren Lewis to give us an exclusive on how he's going to Spurs, with us paying them to take him.

We get Darren Lewis here on the Oz Premier League football show. I've never known someone talk such relentless shit and get way with it. Actually, remembered  Twattum and Baggie Bill but you know what I mean.  Sky 6 luvvie extraordinaire.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 13, 2015, 12:39:46 PM

I think he'll sign a new deal with a release clause of around 50m built in. The new deal would still allow him to be sold, protects the club a bit and pays him significantly more than his current deal for the next two seasons. Benteke comes across as a genuinely good person and loves the club. You can see that not just in how he celebrates but how he interacts with fans and most importantly his teammates. And then there is the manager influence on top of that and how Sherwood has restored him to the player we knew him to be. These will all be factors in his decision as well as the financial side of things which Fox and Sherwood know they will need to look after. And what new owner wouldn't want Christian Benteke in their line up?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: leylandalbion on May 13, 2015, 12:55:41 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 13, 2015, 12:39:46 PM

I think he'll sign a new deal with a release clause of around 50m built in. The new deal would still allow him to be sold, protects the club a bit and pays him significantly more than his current deal for the next two seasons. Benteke comes across as a genuinely good person and loves the club. You can see that not just in how he celebrates but how he interacts with fans and most importantly his teammates. And then there is the manager influence on top of that and how Sherwood has restored him to the player we knew him to be. These will all be factors in his decision as well as the financial side of things which Fox and Sherwood know they will need to look after. And what new owner wouldn't want Christian Benteke in their line up?

The new Owner that would would recoup a third of the price of the club in one transaction  :-[

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2015, 12:59:09 PM

Quote from: leylandalbion on May 13, 2015, 12:55:41 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 13, 2015, 12:39:46 PM

I think he'll sign a new deal with a release clause of around 50m built in. The new deal would still allow him to be sold, protects the club a bit and pays him significantly more than his current deal for the next two seasons. Benteke comes across as a genuinely good person and loves the club. You can see that not just in how he celebrates but how he interacts with fans and most importantly his teammates. And then there is the manager influence on top of that and how Sherwood has restored him to the player we knew him to be. These will all be factors in his decision as well as the financial side of things which Fox and Sherwood know they will need to look after. And what new owner wouldn't want Christian Benteke in their line up?

The new Owner that would would recoup a third of the price of the club in one transaction  :-[

Indeed, that has crept into my mind, as well.

Smith's consortium buy us, load half of the price onto the club as debt (which is allegedly what they are planning to do), sell Benteke, wipe out half of that debt.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2015, 01:01:57 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 13, 2015, 12:39:46 PM

I think he'll sign a new deal with a release clause of around 50m built in. The new deal would still allow him to be sold, protects the club a bit and pays him significantly more than his current deal for the next two seasons. Benteke comes across as a genuinely good person and loves the club. You can see that not just in how he celebrates but how he interacts with fans and most importantly his teammates. And then there is the manager influence on top of that and how Sherwood has restored him to the player we knew him to be. These will all be factors in his decision as well as the financial side of things which Fox and Sherwood know they will need to look after. And what new owner wouldn't want Christian Benteke in their line up?

I hope that's true, but it is probably the naivety of football supporters kicking in.

Benteke might love the club, but deducing from that that he's going to give his prime years to a club which, his whole time here, has been a relegation struggler strikes me as over-optimistic.

I'd much, much rather keep him, but I can honestly understand why he'd want to move on. He's far too good to be mooking around at the bottom end of the table. I appreciate that might, might, not be where we are next year, but he'll probably think he has given us enough. If someone offers enough, and he wants to go, I think we should take it and wish him all the best.

Although, seeing him at another English club would be truly horrible, so I hope he goes somewhere abroad.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on May 13, 2015, 01:08:40 PM

Imagine Benteke in the 2007-10 Villa side, with the likes of Young, Downing and Milner supplying the bullets.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 13, 2015, 01:20:39 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2015, 01:01:57 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 13, 2015, 12:39:46 PM

I think he'll sign a new deal with a release clause of around 50m built in. The new deal would still allow him to be sold, protects the club a bit and pays him significantly more than his current deal for the next two seasons. Benteke comes across as a genuinely good person and loves the club. You can see that not just in how he celebrates but how he interacts with fans and most importantly his teammates. And then there is the manager influence on top of that and how Sherwood has restored him to the player we knew him to be. These will all be factors in his decision as well as the financial side of things which Fox and Sherwood know they will need to look after. And what new owner wouldn't want Christian Benteke in their line up?

I hope that's true, but it is probably the naivety of football supporters kicking in.

Benteke might love the club, but deducing from that that he's going to give his prime years to a club which, his whole time here, has been a relegation struggler strikes me as over-optimistic.

I'd much, much rather keep him, but I can honestly understand why he'd want to move on. He's far too good to be mooking around at the bottom end of the table. I appreciate that might, might, not be where we are next year, but he'll probably think he has given us enough. If someone offers enough, and he wants to go, I think we should take it and wish him all the best.

Although, seeing him at another English club would be truly horrible, so I hope he goes somewhere abroad.

That's the thing though. By signing a new deal ultimately doesn't change the situation other gets him more money now from us. If some outrageous bid comes in naturally the two sides sit down and they discuss it. It might be just too good an opportunity to turn down on both sides. I don't think it's naive to think he'll sign a new deal because it would make business sense to do so especially if he knows from the club the type of bid the club will accept. May as well pocket some extra cash now and then if a bid does come in talk again.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 13, 2015, 01:23:15 PM

Quote from: leylandalbion on May 13, 2015, 12:55:41 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 13, 2015, 12:39:46 PM

I think he'll sign a new deal with a release clause of around 50m built in. The new deal would still allow him to be sold, protects the club a bit and pays him significantly more than his current deal for the next two seasons. Benteke comes across as a genuinely good person and loves the club. You can see that not just in how he celebrates but how he interacts with fans and most importantly his teammates. And then there is the manager influence on top of that and how Sherwood has restored him to the player we knew him to be. These will all be factors in his decision as well as the financial side of things which Fox and Sherwood know they will need to look after. And what new owner wouldn't want Christian Benteke in their line up?

The new Owner that would would recoup a third of the price of the club in one transaction  :-[

That might be true but if you have just bought a football club would your first major piece of business be to sell your prized asset just a to recoup a chunk of your outlay? I suppose it might be if Mike Ashley was taking over. Not saying it won't happen you'd think the new owner might want his best players at the club. But it is business and every player has a price so it could happen.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 13, 2015, 01:28:15 PM

If January is a bad time to buy, then extending the logic, it must be a good time to sell.
Therefore I would be inclined to sell in January next year to a desperate chumps league club for maximum dollar.  After all he will not be cup tied.

That said, Plan A should be t get him to sign a new deal.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on May 13, 2015, 01:32:54 PM

Quote from: Ads on May 13, 2015, 09:44:17 AM

I'm waiting for the sage that is Darren Lewis to give us an exclusive on how he's going to Spurs, with us paying them to take him.

He'll be linking Delph and Cleverely to Spurs eventually, if he hasn't already.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on May 13, 2015, 02:15:18 PM

Whether we'd like to be in the Europa League or not (and if we've got a good enough squad to cope with it), I think this may be an influential factor for Benteke on his decision to stay or go. I can understand a player of his quality wants to play European competitions, particularly with the Euros in mind next year, but I'd also hope that he'll give Sherwood and his team mates the benefit of the doubt and agree to an extension or at least stay for another season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 13, 2015, 02:20:38 PM

My thinking (hope) is that he signs a new deal. Has an absolutely belting season next year followed by a great European Championships. Then he's still only 25 and in a perfect position to get everything his career deserves if that's what he wants.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on May 13, 2015, 02:21:34 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on May 13, 2015, 01:28:15 PM

If January is a bad time to buy, then extending the logic, it must be a good time to sell.
Therefore I would be inclined to sell in January next year to a desperate chumps league club for maximum dollar.  After all he will not be cup tied.

That said, Plan A should be t get him to sign a new deal.

Say we start the season well and we're only a few points off 4th spot, like Southampton, selling then wouldn't be a good time to sell either. Equally if we're mid-table, selling him then could mean a similar end to the season like last year when he was injured and we limped clear of avoiding relegation.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 13, 2015, 02:25:41 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2015, 12:59:09 PM

Quote from: leylandalbion on May 13, 2015, 12:55:41 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 13, 2015, 12:39:46 PM

I think he'll sign a new deal with a release clause of around 50m built in. The new deal would still allow him to be sold, protects the club a bit and pays him significantly more than his current deal for the next two seasons. Benteke comes across as a genuinely good person and loves the club. You can see that not just in how he celebrates but how he interacts with fans and most importantly his teammates. And then there is the manager influence on top of that and how Sherwood has restored him to the player we knew him to be. These will all be factors in his decision as well as the financial side of things which Fox and Sherwood know they will need to look after. And what new owner wouldn't want Christian Benteke in their line up?

The new Owner that would would recoup a third of the price of the club in one transaction  :-[

Indeed, that has crept into my mind, as well.

Smith's consortium buy us, load half of the price onto the club as debt (which is allegedly what they are planning to do), sell Benteke, wipe out half of that debt.

That concerns me as well. I really hope Lerner is looking at better options than a consortium looking to load us with debt.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on May 13, 2015, 02:55:56 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 13, 2015, 02:20:38 PM

My thinking (hope) is that he signs a new deal. Has an absolutely belting season next year followed by a great European Championships. Then he's still only 25 and in a perfect position to get everything his career deserves if that's what he wants.

Isn't that the sort of thinking involved with him sticking around after his first season? He had a cracking second half and we played some good football under Lambert then, and the idea was that it would continue for a full season, be followed up with a great World Cup and then he'd leave for a massive fee to a top European side. I'm getting quite concerned that he might not be willing to go through that sort of thing again.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2015, 03:04:41 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 13, 2015, 01:20:39 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2015, 01:01:57 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 13, 2015, 12:39:46 PM

I think he'll sign a new deal with a release clause of around 50m built in. The new deal would still allow him to be sold, protects the club a bit and pays him significantly more than his current deal for the next two seasons. Benteke comes across as a genuinely good person and loves the club. You can see that not just in how he celebrates but how he interacts with fans and most importantly his teammates. And then there is the manager influence on top of that and how Sherwood has restored him to the player we knew him to be. These will all be factors in his decision as well as the financial side of things which Fox and Sherwood know they will need to look after. And what new owner wouldn't want Christian Benteke in their line up?

I hope that's true, but it is probably the naivety of football supporters kicking in.

Benteke might love the club, but deducing from that that he's going to give his prime years to a club which, his whole time here, has been a relegation struggler strikes me as over-optimistic.

I'd much, much rather keep him, but I can honestly understand why he'd want to move on. He's far too good to be mooking around at the bottom end of the table. I appreciate that might, might, not be where we are next year, but he'll probably think he has given us enough. If someone offers enough, and he wants to go, I think we should take it and wish him all the best.

Although, seeing him at another English club would be truly horrible, so I hope he goes somewhere abroad.

That's the thing though. By signing a new deal ultimately doesn't change the situation other gets him more money now from us. If some outrageous bid comes in naturally the two sides sit down and they discuss it. It might be just too good an opportunity to turn down on both sides. I don't think it's naive to think he'll sign a new deal because it would make business sense to do so especially if he knows from the club the type of bid the club will accept. May as well pocket some extra cash now and then if a bid does come in talk again.

What if an offer comes in before he signs a new contract - which is precisely what will happen, given his agent will already be talking to people about opportunities.

He's not going to commit to another 4 year (or however long) deal unless he knows what the options are. Likewise, he's not going to sign a new deal and then move a couple of weeks later.

If we are going to offer him a new deal, I can't see any circumstances at all that don't involve it being a choice between what we offer him, and other offers he can get.

Similarly, Villa aren't going to throw him a massive signing-on fee and then wave him off a few weeks later.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 13, 2015, 03:20:42 PM

None of us actually know what will happen. The last time all of us were discussing this no bid ever officially came in. There was talk of Spurs and that chancer Levy making a bid but he never actually made a formal offer. And back then his agent was pimping his client like his newest whore. I think they will much more conservative their approach this time around considering how it all played out. I have no doubt the club will be aware that with every excellent display the chance of an offer worth considering increases. However, this is still a player coming off a serious injury, playing essentially a third of a season with this level of form so clubs will be aware of that before they decide to make what in most cases would be their marquee signing of the summer. As for the signing on fee I don't see what can't happen. Villa would just demand it in return from club who will buy him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 13, 2015, 03:32:03 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 13, 2015, 03:20:42 PM

None of us actually know what will happen. The last time all of us were discussing this no bid ever officially came in. There was talk of Spurs and that chancer Levy making a bid but he never actually made a formal offer. And back then his agent was pimping his client like his newest whore. I think they will much more conservative their approach this time around considering how it all played out. I have no doubt the club will be aware that with every excellent display the chance of an offer worth considering increases. However, this is still a player coming off a serious injury, playing essentially a third of a season with this level of form so clubs will be aware of that before they decide to make what in most cases would be their marquee signing of the summer. As for the signing on fee I don't see what can't happen. Villa would just demand it in return from club who will buy him.

Agree TV.  The European Championships next summer might also factor in.  I'm sure he would want to go into that as Belgium's first choice striker.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2015, 03:33:30 PM

If no bid comes in, then fine, all of this is moot.

I just don't see how there would be any point on either side in a "ok, I'll sign a new deal now, but if i get another offer in the next few weeks, I'm off" kind of arrangement.

He's either going to stay, or he isn't. Whichever way he decides, it is going to be influenced by what we offer him and what other clubs offer him.  Like it always is with players in this kind of situation.

Having him sign a new deal then change his mind shortly after and leave isn't just a massive waste of time in the first place, it is a waste of money (the signing on fee), a waste of our efforts when we could be out scouting for a replacement, a disruption to our plans for the new season, and pretty embarrassing for us as a club ("I know I signed that deal, but I've changed my mind, I'm off to join Arsenal. Like you said I could if I changed my mind".

What would be the point in getting involved in anything resembling those circumstances?

If he stays, it will be on the basis of the merits of staying with us. Merits he's going to compare with what he can get elsewhere (like every football with a decent agent does).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on May 13, 2015, 03:55:57 PM

and if he does decide to go then good luck to him. We have had 2 years more service out of him than I thought we would. Fingers crossed he does go abroad if he leaves, would hate the numpties to start booing him if he returns with another English club.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on May 13, 2015, 04:00:21 PM

Quote from: ClaretAndBlueBlood on May 13, 2015, 03:55:57 PM

and if he does decide to go then good luck to him. We have had 2 years more service out of him than I thought we would. Fingers crossed he does go abroad if he leaves, would hate the numpties to start booing him if he returns with another English club.

I won't be wishing him good luck: I'll be having a hissy fit.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 13, 2015, 09:18:36 PM

I believe Ashley Cole will be available on a free this summer.  We need a left-back...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2015, 09:20:47 PM

Quote from: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 13, 2015, 09:18:36 PM

I believe Ashley Cole will be available on a free this summer.  We need a left-back...

I can barely begin to imagine what his attitude would be like if we signed him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 13, 2015, 09:21:40 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2015, 09:20:47 PM

Quote from: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 13, 2015, 09:18:36 PM

I believe Ashley Cole will be available on a free this summer.  We need a left-back...

I can barely begin to imagine what his attitude would be like if we signed him.

Or his wages.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on May 13, 2015, 10:43:22 PM

Wasn't sherwood rumoured to be at the anderlecht Brugge game recently?

I wonder if he was watching this Alexandre mitrovic fella. Top scorer w 18 goals. 20 yr old 6 '2 centre Fwd. linked w various English clubs

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on May 14, 2015, 06:57:50 AM

http://youtu.be/ddnPPwhDHBI

This is the guy I think sherwood might have been scouting

Never trust a YouTube reel but he does at least know how to bury a header

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Seb_AVFC on May 14, 2015, 06:58:27 AM

He's a nutter. Would cost a good part of £ 10m. Mbemba from Anderlecht would be my choice if we're going to buy someone from Anderlecht.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on May 14, 2015, 08:05:20 AM

Talking of signing other Belgians, I'd really like us to have a look at this guy.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32728460

I know it's not a position we're currently short in, but he can play centre-back or right-back, is only 26 and I've been impressed whenever I've seen him play.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on May 14, 2015, 11:45:45 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 13, 2015, 05:26:34 AM

Quote from: LeeB on May 12, 2015, 01:06:10 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 12, 2015, 11:47:30 AM

Quote from: LeeB on May 12, 2015, 11:15:12 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 12, 2015, 07:09:38 AM

Quote from: peter w on May 12, 2015, 03:59:31 AM

Nest to the man/woman in blue is that a transvestite or a post-op woman?

Hayley Cropper is an icon in Swindon.

The bird behind Sean Dyche is tidy.

Mind the trams, Len.

Don't you mean Alan?

Yes, and that's totally bollocksed my attempted gag

Serves you right. Anyway, she looks about 18/20 to me.

You should have a go at defending Adam Johnson

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: manic-road on May 14, 2015, 11:58:53 AM

Just been watching Paul Lambert in the Sky studio interviewed about Christian Benteke and he said that offers came in every year for the big man but persuaded him to stay at Villa and a giant club will come in for him, also said that £30m would only buy his right boot.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 14, 2015, 12:05:48 PM

Quote from: peter w on May 14, 2015, 11:45:45 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 13, 2015, 05:26:34 AM

Quote from: LeeB on May 12, 2015, 01:06:10 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 12, 2015, 11:47:30 AM

Quote from: LeeB on May 12, 2015, 11:15:12 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 12, 2015, 07:09:38 AM

Quote from: peter w on May 12, 2015, 03:59:31 AM

Nest to the man/woman in blue is that a transvestite or a post-op woman?

Hayley Cropper is an icon in Swindon.

The bird behind Sean Dyche is tidy.

Mind the trams, Len.

Don't you mean Alan?

Yes, and that's totally bollocksed my attempted gag

Serves you right. Anyway, she looks about 18/20 to me.

You should have a go at defending Adam Johnson

Steady on.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on May 14, 2015, 12:38:22 PM

Quote from: RussellC on May 14, 2015, 08:05:20 AM

Talking of signing other Belgians, I'd really like us to have a look at this guy.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32728460

I know it's not a position we're currently short in, but he can play centre-back or right-back, is only 26 and I've been impressed whenever I've seen him play.

Yeah, he's quality. Pretty sure he's going back to Atletico next season and Southampton would be ahead of us in the queue anyway.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on May 14, 2015, 12:42:17 PM

I wonder if Sherwood will go for Robert Green?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 14, 2015, 12:46:19 PM

Quote from: manic-road on May 14, 2015, 11:58:53 AM

Just been watching Paul Lambert in the Sky studio interviewed about Christian Benteke and he said that offers came in every year for the big man but persuaded him to stay at Villa and a giant club will come in for him, also said that £30m would only buy his right boot.

the one thing I will never ever criticise Lambert for is how he managed to persuade Benteke to stay and extend his contract. It looked a done deal that he was off then as if by magic it was announced he'd extended. It was surreal how it all came together all of a sudden.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on May 14, 2015, 12:50:17 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 14, 2015, 12:46:19 PM

Quote from: manic-road on May 14, 2015, 11:58:53 AM

Just been watching Paul Lambert in the Sky studio interviewed about Christian Benteke and he said that offers came in every year for the big man but persuaded him to stay at Villa and a giant club will come in for him, also said that £30m would only buy his right boot.

the one thing I will never ever criticise Lambert for is how he managed to persuade Benteke to stay and extend his contract. It looked a done deal that he was off then as if by magic it was announced he'd extended. It was surreal how it all came together all of a sudden.

That was a masterstroke!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tom jennings III on May 14, 2015, 04:27:13 PM

Same with Delph this season, credit where it is due.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on May 14, 2015, 07:43:11 PM

Quote from: peter w on May 14, 2015, 12:42:17 PM

I wonder if Sherwood will go for Robert Green?

 :o

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on May 14, 2015, 08:28:37 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on May 14, 2015, 07:43:11 PM

Quote from: peter w on May 14, 2015, 12:42:17 PM

I wonder if Sherwood will go for Robert Green?

 :o

Mr Crisp Packet Hands himself.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SteveN on May 14, 2015, 09:00:53 PM

I would like us to sign Begovic as our first choice keeper. He will be available.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dr Butler on May 14, 2015, 09:06:11 PM

Quote from: tom jennings III on May 14, 2015, 04:27:13 PM

Same with Delph this season, credit where it is due.

agreed....it showed our commitment and it showed his commitment....

UTV
The Doc

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on May 14, 2015, 10:42:53 PM

Quote from: SteveN on May 14, 2015, 09:00:53 PM

I would like us to sign Begovic as our first choice keeper. He will be available.

Begovic was meant to be going back to Man City a couple of years ago but their change of manager scuppered that. They had spent a fair bit on Jack Butland for his to be his replacement and have ended up using his as back-up or loaning him out. If we were to go after a keeper he would be a good choice. It wouldn't be a priority position for me though, Guzan will come back stronger from being dropped and we have other positions that need to be improved on.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: hipkiss92 on May 14, 2015, 10:55:09 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on May 14, 2015, 12:50:17 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 14, 2015, 12:46:19 PM

Quote from: manic-road on May 14, 2015, 11:58:53 AM

Just been watching Paul Lambert in the Sky studio interviewed about Christian Benteke and he said that offers came in every year for the big man but persuaded him to stay at Villa and a giant club will come in for him, also said that £30m would only buy his right boot.

the one thing I will never ever criticise Lambert for is how he managed to persuade Benteke to stay and extend his contract. It looked a done deal that he was off then as if by magic it was announced he'd extended. It was surreal how it all came together all of a sudden.

That was a masterstroke!

Lambert's transfer policy stands up imo, whenever he spent more than league one levels of money on a player they turned out well, just a shame he didn't have a clue what to do with them once they were here.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on May 15, 2015, 03:28:16 PM

One of our alleged transfer targets, Jake Livermore has tested positive for cocaine.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on May 15, 2015, 03:42:26 PM

Quote from: Tom_Mc9 on May 15, 2015, 03:28:16 PM

One of our alleged transfer targets, Jake Livermore has tested positive for cocaine.

Quote from: Tom_Mc9 on May 15, 2015, 03:28:16 PM

One of our alleged transfer targets, Jake Livermore has tested positive for cocaine.

Just seen that - what a wally.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/hull-city/11608450/Hull-midfielder-Jake-Livermore-tests-positive-for-cocaine.html

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 15, 2015, 03:56:31 PM

Quote from: Tom_Mc9 on May 15, 2015, 03:28:16 PM

One of our alleged transfer targets, Jake Livermore has tested positive for cocaine.

Not a big fan of his regardless. But we most definitely should avoid him now. I'd be going all out to keep TC here.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 15, 2015, 04:06:40 PM

Quote from: supertom on May 15, 2015, 03:56:31 PM

Quote from: Tom_Mc9 on May 15, 2015, 03:28:16 PM

One of our alleged transfer targets, Jake Livermore has tested positive for cocaine.

Not a big fan of his regardless. But we most definitely should avoid him now. I'd be going all out to keep TC here.

Yep.  Most important move of the summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on May 15, 2015, 05:36:21 PM

SSN: Hull have suspended Jake Livermore after testing positive for cocaine.

...I feel a pun-fest coming on!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 15, 2015, 05:43:03 PM

I feel a bit bad for the Tigers. Probably the last thing they want right now is a scandal like that.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 15, 2015, 05:47:13 PM

Quote from: KRS on May 15, 2015, 05:36:21 PM

SSN: Hull have suspended Jake Livermore after testing positive for cocaine.

...I feel a pun-fest coming on!

They are going to find it hard to claw themselves to safety now

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 15, 2015, 05:50:18 PM

Quote from: KRS on May 15, 2015, 05:36:21 PM

SSN: Hull have suspended Jake Livermore after testing positive for cocaine.

...I feel a pun-fest coming on!

Its a fine line between success and failure

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 15, 2015, 06:26:59 PM

I fear that this is the signal for them to blow it. No chance of Bruce taking Charlie off our hands now.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on May 15, 2015, 07:06:51 PM

Playing at White Hart Lane will be an Acid test for Hull tomorrow.
The fans are backing him, however after they were heard singing - "we`ll support you Livermore"

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eamonn on May 15, 2015, 07:29:51 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 15, 2015, 05:47:13 PM

Quote from: KRS on May 15, 2015, 05:36:21 PM

SSN: Hull have suspended Jake Livermore after testing positive for cocaine.

...I feel a pun-fest coming on!

They are going to find it hard to claw themselves to safety now

Huh?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Yossarian on May 15, 2015, 07:47:55 PM

I guess that's the end of their late season charge.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Londonvilla on May 15, 2015, 08:36:10 PM

Tim Sherwood comments on Carles Gil's future at Aston Villa

http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2015/05/15/tim-sherwood-comments-on-carles-gils-future-at-aston-villa/

Carles Gil has not got much of a look in at Aston Villa since Tim Sherwood took over.

Tim Sherwood has told the Birmingham Mail that he is still undecided over where Aston Villa attacking midfielder Carles Gil's future lies.

Gil has rarely featured for Villa since Sherwood took charge and the 46-year-old is still assessing the Spaniard's ability.

He does say that Gil is not alone, though, and that he will be looking to make a decision on whether the playmaker still has a part to play before the end of the campaign.

"I’m still looking at him like everyone else,” said the boss.

“Carles is not alone. There’s probably four or five that have been left out of the squad at the moment. I think we’ve got the most numbers that we’ve ever had in training. It’s good news.”

If Villa did let Gil go this summer it would be a disappointment to most supporters of the club, as he impressed greatly during his initial period in the side.

Gil only moved to Villa Park in January and he was one of the side's best performers over the latter part of Paul Lambert's time in charge.

Blessed with skill and creativity, Gil offered Villa a different option to the other members of their squad, but his position in the team has been taken by Jack Grealish.

Sherwood has shown faith in the Villa academy product and it seems that Gil faces a fight to win his place in the team back.


Gil Could be our best number 10 if he can up his work rate......100% keep him

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Londonvilla on May 15, 2015, 08:45:59 PM

Reported Aston Villa target Lasse Vigen Christensen comments on his Fulham future

http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2015/05/15/reported-aston-villa-target-lasse-vigen-christensen-comments-on/?

Christensen has been linked with Aston Villa, but he has admitted his future lies with Fulham.

Speaking to West London Sport, 20-year-old Christensen has admitted that his future lies with Fulham, despite interest in him from Villa this season.

“It would have been stupid for me to go in January. I’d only just got in the team and I still have lots to learn and do. I heard a bit from the lads [about the Villa rumours] but there was no way I was going to leave in January.

“I’ve been at this club for a fairly long time and when you’re connected to a club you want to see them do well. I want to see Fulham back in the Premier League. That’s all I’m thinking about.”

It was the Mirror who reported the interest from Villa back in December, as the 20-year-old Dane has impressed this term in the Championship. It is expected that they will once again enter the chase for him this summer, but his apparent desire to stay with Fulham will disappoint Villa fans.

Christensen, a central midfielder - who can also play in defence - moved to Craven Cottage in 2012 from the youth system of FC Midtjylland in his homeland, and has really taken his chance this season.

Following Fulham’s relegation, the club were forced to sell a number of players, and the youngster was promoted to the first-team, and has since made 29 appearances. He has scored five goals and register seven assists, and he is considered as one of the real talents in the Championship.

Villa’s interested look concrete, as they have a young team that they are keen to add with by signing more talent, but with Christensen choosing loyalty over a quick jump to the Premier League, it looks as if he will be staying with the club this summer, with a contract that lasts until 2017.

Anyone seen him in action?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Londonvilla on May 15, 2015, 08:49:41 PM

Gary Rowett comments on future of Tottenham, Aston Villa-linked Demarai Gray

http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2015/05/14/gary-rowett-comments-on-future-of-tottenham-aston-villa-linked-d/

The Birmingham winger has been linked with summer moves to Tottenham and Aston Villa.

Speaking to the Birmingham Mail, Gary Rowett has played down the chances that Demarai Gray will be a Blues player next season, despite heavy interest from a wealth of Premier League clubs.

He said: “It would have to be a sizeable bid, [but] it would [also] have to be Demarai wanting to leave and it would have to be right for everybody. He has got a year left on his contract, he is under 24 anyway by a long way, so therefore there are compensation issues.

“And as far as I am concerned he is our player and I am really looking forward to working with him next year because I think if we can keep him for next year. I think he is enjoying his football, he is living at home, he is comfortable and for me that’s a big thing for a young player.”

Rowett certainly sounds confident that Gray will be turning out at St Andrew’s next season, despite the fact that the Daily Mail and Goal have named the likes of Liverpool, Tottenham, Aston Villa and West Ham as keen trackers of the 18-year-old wonderkid.

Gray has truly burst onto the scene this term, and the English youth international is considered one of the best talents outside of the Premier League, despite his young age.

He has been called up to the England Under-21 squad for post-season action, and after his six goals in 41 games, it is hard to deny that he desires it.

Gray is a tricky winger who has an eye for goal and an incredible work rate on top of that. Birmingham may have endured a rather mediocre season, but the breakthrough of the youngster has given a lot to shout about.

He still has a year left on his contract, and Rowett believes Birmingham have no need to sell their starlet this summer, meaning that all the clubs interested in him should be disappointed, as their chances of signing Gray look to have diminished.

Is he any good?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 15, 2015, 08:52:04 PM

Quote from: eamonn on May 15, 2015, 07:29:51 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 15, 2015, 05:47:13 PM

Quote from: KRS on May 15, 2015, 05:36:21 PM

SSN: Hull have suspended Jake Livermore after testing positive for cocaine.

...I feel a pun-fest coming on!

They are going to find it hard to claw themselves to safety now

Huh?

Really?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on May 15, 2015, 08:53:18 PM

Quote from: Londonvilla on May 15, 2015, 08:49:41 PM

Gary Rowett comments on future of Tottenham, Aston Villa-linked Demarai Gray

http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2015/05/14/gary-rowett-comments-on-future-of-tottenham-aston-villa-linked-d/

The Birmingham winger has been linked with summer moves to Tottenham and Aston Villa.

Speaking to the Birmingham Mail, Gary Rowett has played down the chances that Demarai Gray will be a Blues player next season, despite heavy interest from a wealth of Premier League clubs.

He said: “It would have to be a sizeable bid, [but] it would [also] have to be Demarai wanting to leave and it would have to be right for everybody. He has got a year left on his contract, he is under 24 anyway by a long way, so therefore there are compensation issues.

“And as far as I am concerned he is our player and I am really looking forward to working with him next year because I think if we can keep him for next year. I think he is enjoying his football, he is living at home, he is comfortable and for me that’s a big thing for a young player.”

Rowett certainly sounds confident that Gray will be turning out at St Andrew’s next season, despite the fact that the Daily Mail and Goal have named the likes of Liverpool, Tottenham, Aston Villa and West Ham as keen trackers of the 18-year-old wonderkid.

Gray has truly burst onto the scene this term, and the English youth international is considered one of the best talents outside of the Premier League, despite his young age.

He has been called up to the England Under-21 squad for post-season action, and after his six goals in 41 games, it is hard to deny that he desires it.

Gray is a tricky winger who has an eye for goal and an incredible work rate on top of that. Birmingham may have endured a rather mediocre season, but the breakthrough of the youngster has given a lot to shout about.

He still has a year left on his contract, and Rowett believes Birmingham have no need to sell their starlet this summer, meaning that all the clubs interested in him should be disappointed, as their chances of signing Gray look to have diminished.

Is he any good?

No. Not until he leaves them anyway.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on May 15, 2015, 09:17:59 PM

Gil, Grealish and Sinclair will fight it out for number 10 and 11 positions week in week out next season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on May 15, 2015, 11:57:35 PM

Quote from: olaftab on May 15, 2015, 09:17:59 PM

Gil, Grealish and Sinclair will fight it out for number 10 and 11 positions week in week out next season.

I'd quite like that. I see someone saying if Gil ups his work rate he can get in the squad.. but seriously, if Charlie N'Zogbia can get week-in/week-out football that Gil should at least be given a bit longer to succeed. He could be fantastic for us going forward.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on May 16, 2015, 06:34:10 AM

Quote from: villadelph on May 15, 2015, 11:57:35 PM

Quote from: olaftab on May 15, 2015, 09:17:59 PM

Gil, Grealish and Sinclair will fight it out for number 10 and 11 positions week in week out next season.

I'd quite like that. I see someone saying if Gil ups his work rate he can get in the squad.. but seriously, if Charlie N'Zogbia can get week-in/week-out football that Gil should at least be given a bit longer to succeed. He could be fantastic for us going forward.

That's the point though Sherwood has seen N'Zogbia up his rate in training and is getting his chance. Gil needs to do the same in training to get his chance. If he's not then he's being left out. Sherwood doesn't come across as a vindictive manager but just wants those that are all chomping at the bit to make the starting eleven. You do that, you have a chance. You don't you're out.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Karl Bridges on May 16, 2015, 10:59:14 AM

I don't think he's going to sign Sinclair.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 16, 2015, 11:22:34 AM

At the prices quoted we would be mad not to, unless that is where he is planning his marquee signing.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 16, 2015, 11:31:06 AM

Quote from: LeeB on May 15, 2015, 08:53:18 PM

Quote from: Londonvilla on May 15, 2015, 08:49:41 PM

Gary Rowett comments on future of Tottenham, Aston Villa-linked Demarai Gray

http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2015/05/14/gary-rowett-comments-on-future-of-tottenham-aston-villa-linked-d/

The Birmingham winger has been linked with summer moves to Tottenham and Aston Villa.

Speaking to the Birmingham Mail, Gary Rowett has played down the chances that Demarai Gray will be a Blues player next season, despite heavy interest from a wealth of Premier League clubs.

He said: “It would have to be a sizeable bid, [but] it would [also] have to be Demarai wanting to leave and it would have to be right for everybody. He has got a year left on his contract, he is under 24 anyway by a long way, so therefore there are compensation issues.

“And as far as I am concerned he is our player and I am really looking forward to working with him next year because I think if we can keep him for next year. I think he is enjoying his football, he is living at home, he is comfortable and for me that’s a big thing for a young player.”

Rowett certainly sounds confident that Gray will be turning out at St Andrew’s next season, despite the fact that the Daily Mail and Goal have named the likes of Liverpool, Tottenham, Aston Villa and West Ham as keen trackers of the 18-year-old wonderkid.

Gray has truly burst onto the scene this term, and the English youth international is considered one of the best talents outside of the Premier League, despite his young age.

He has been called up to the England Under-21 squad for post-season action, and after his six goals in 41 games, it is hard to deny that he desires it.

Gray is a tricky winger who has an eye for goal and an incredible work rate on top of that. Birmingham may have endured a rather mediocre season, but the breakthrough of the youngster has given a lot to shout about.

He still has a year left on his contract, and Rowett believes Birmingham have no need to sell their starlet this summer, meaning that all the clubs interested in him should be disappointed, as their chances of signing Gray look to have diminished.

Is he any good?

No. Not until he leaves them anyway.

First time I've actually seen us linked with him.

He's a decent player but reminds me of Nathan Redmond who many on here were saying we should get at all costs...went to Norwich and he's been nothing special there, in and out of their team even this season.

Bournemouth would probably be the best move for him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 16, 2015, 02:38:18 PM

Four new players at the back please

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on May 16, 2015, 02:40:00 PM

Can we buy Shane Long and never play him please? Hate that fucker with a vengeance.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy65 on May 16, 2015, 03:39:35 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on May 15, 2015, 05:43:03 PM

I feel a bit bad for the Tigers. Probably the last thing they want right now is a scandal like that.

Bet you dont feel bad now!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 16, 2015, 04:13:44 PM

Quote from: curiousorange on May 16, 2015, 02:40:00 PM

Can we buy Shane Long and never play him please? Hate that fucker with a vengeance.

Was just gonna suggest the same thing. Anything so that he won't play against us ever again. Bang average until he's up against us, and then all of a sudden he's Van fucking Basten.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: steamer on May 16, 2015, 05:27:03 PM

New Goalkeeper, Two fullbacks and backup for Clarke

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on May 16, 2015, 06:44:07 PM

Quote from: steamer on May 16, 2015, 05:27:03 PM

New Goalkeeper, Two fullbacks and backup for Clarke

Clarke?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on May 16, 2015, 06:46:03 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on May 16, 2015, 06:44:07 PM

Quote from: steamer on May 16, 2015, 05:27:03 PM

New Goalkeeper, Two fullbacks and backup for Clarke

Clarke?

It's clear he means Clark.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on May 16, 2015, 07:05:18 PM

Quote from: curiousorange on May 16, 2015, 02:40:00 PM

Can we buy Shane Long and never play him please? Hate that fucker with a vengeance.

This generation's Mark Falco.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 16, 2015, 07:14:27 PM

Quote from: Rudy65 on May 16, 2015, 03:39:35 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on May 15, 2015, 05:43:03 PM

I feel a bit bad for the Tigers. Probably the last thing they want right now is a scandal like that.

Bet you dont feel bad now!

Too bloody right. :)

Happily we can sit back and enjoy the last day now. The idea of Bruce & Big Sam somehow conspiring to relegate Newcastle is the fairytale ending. Surely everyone in football would want that!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on May 16, 2015, 09:35:07 PM

Sherwood was unfair with lamela and eriksen at spurs and feel gil will go the same way and not be part of any plans. Sherwood selects nzogbua as he's proverb at premier league level. In general the  players have to buy into Tims ways and how he sees it. Gil is an artist and dare I say it as good as grealish but being a Lambert signing gil been shown as an easy scapegoat. Expect Sherwood's signings and linked to the similar sort of try hard and endevaour players rather than a Spain, Argentine or Brazilian.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on May 16, 2015, 10:53:58 PM

I think Danny Rose could finally resolve our LB issues.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on May 16, 2015, 11:03:33 PM

Michael Dawson
Charlie Austin
Matt Phillips
A. Keeper
A. Left back

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 16, 2015, 11:05:24 PM

Quote from: Des Little on May 16, 2015, 11:03:33 PM

Michael Dawson
Charlie Austin
Matt Phillips
A. Keeper
A. Left back

No thanks to Dawson.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 16, 2015, 11:19:42 PM

What would we sign Dawson for?

To work in the car park? Or on the tills in the club shop?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on May 16, 2015, 11:52:34 PM

Leroy Fer, Austin, Ings, Phillips. Not much else talent wise from those going down.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dekko on May 16, 2015, 11:56:49 PM

Quote from: Newby on May 16, 2015, 11:52:34 PM

Leroy Fer, Austin, Ings, Phillips. Not much else talent wise from those going down.

The Burnley RB Trippier is pretty good too

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 17, 2015, 12:35:40 AM

Quote from: Newby on May 16, 2015, 11:52:34 PM

Leroy Fer, Austin, Ings, Phillips. Not much else talent wise from those going down.

I know we were interested in him before and having seen him play for Wales over the past couple of seasons, I think James Chester from Hull is a good player.  The only problem is that he is similar to the centre halves we have already.  A caller on the 606 phone-in earlier said we needed a centre half in the Nicholl, McNaught, McGrath and Laursen mould - a physically dominant defender - and I would agree with that.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on May 17, 2015, 06:15:41 AM

We need;

Left back that can attack and put in a quality delivery,
A commanding centre half; by that I mean somebody capable of commanding his own defence too,
A combination of Westwood and Sanchez in one,
Cleverley to sign up and then two central midfielders to help Delph and Cleverley out, doubly so if we are in Europe,
Another forward with pace and guile, as Weimann is Championship, Gabby doesn't score enough and we need a third with Kozak and Benteke.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Londonvilla on May 17, 2015, 10:58:46 AM

Aston Villa's Ron Vlaar STILL hasn't been offered a new contract as summer free transfer looms

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villas-ron-vlaar-still-5710329

Club chiefs keep defender who was reluctant to re-sign under then-boss Lambert but expressed his desire to stay after Sherwood's appointment waiting

Ron Vlaar heads into Aston Villa’s final week of the season without having received a formal contract offer from the club, writes Neil Moxley in the Sunday People.

The Dutch international defender can walk away from Villa on a Bosman at the end of the campaign but there is no deal on the table.

Vlaar, who has struggled with injuries this season, could even link up with Louis van Gaal - his manager at last summer's World Cup - with Manchester United.

The 30-year-old resisted overtures to commit his future to the Villans at the start of the year when Paul Lambert was in charge.


Maybe we could sign this player on a 2 year contract ....he is a leader...and would fit in with the rest of the players..and after the Southampton result no one else will want him ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on May 17, 2015, 10:59:50 AM

There is a good reason why he's not been offered a new contract.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on May 17, 2015, 11:02:56 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on May 16, 2015, 10:53:58 PM

I think Danny Rose could finally resolve our LB issues.

He'd fit in really well. Pacey and good going forward. Spurs would probably over price him though like they do most players.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 17, 2015, 11:03:16 AM

Quote from: Ads on May 17, 2015, 06:15:41 AM

We need;

Left back that can attack and put in a quality delivery,
A commanding centre half; by that I mean somebody capable of commanding his own defence too,
A combination of Westwood and Sanchez in one,
Cleverley to sign up and then two central midfielders to help Delph and Cleverley out, doubly so if we are in Europe,
Another forward with pace and guile, as Weimann is Championship, Gabby doesn't score enough and we need a third with Kozak and Benteke.

Spot on Ads, though I would also think about adding a commanding keeper as well. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: exigo on May 17, 2015, 11:04:12 AM

Quote from: dekko on May 16, 2015, 11:56:49 PM

Quote from: Newby on May 16, 2015, 11:52:34 PM

Leroy Fer, Austin, Ings, Phillips. Not much else talent wise from those going down.

The Burnley RB Trippier is pretty good too

And Heaton in goal has always looked useful.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Londonvilla on May 17, 2015, 11:07:35 AM

Aston Villa in discussions about signing Manchester United's James Wilson

http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2015/05/17/report-aston-villa-in-discussions-about-signing-manchester-unite/?

Aston Villa have allegedly asked to take Manchester United striker James Wilson on loan

According to The Sun, Aston Villa have discussed the possibility of signing Manchester United striker James Wilson on loan this summer.

Villa had been in great form heading into this weekend, but a 6-1 thumping at the hands of Southampton had worried fans again - before Hull's defeat at Tottenham confirmed that Villa were safe from relegation and would be playing in the Premier League again next season.

Now, with his first task achieved, manager Tim Sherwood will not only be looking to try and win the FA Cup final against Arsenal at the end of the month, but also begin to plan ahead of next season.

Summer signings will be needed for Villa to avoid a similar situation next term, and finding a striker to ease some of the burden on Christian Benteke has to be a priority.

Given Sherwood's ability to work with youngsters, it's little surprise to see that The Sun are reporting that Villa have been in discussions with Manchester United, asking whether it would be possible to take Wilson on loan next season.

Wilson, 19, came up through the ranks at Old Trafford but has been a fringe player under Louis van Gaal, scoring twice in just 16 appearances - with 12 of those coming from the bench.

A loan move next season would make sense as the Red Devils look to accelerate Wilson's development, and Villa could be the perfect destination considering Sherwood's work with youngsters and the fact that he would be given first-team football with few other attacking options at Sherwood's disposal.

Yes please..... but just buy him.....he will be England No 9 at the next world cup...you saw it here first

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Londonvilla on May 17, 2015, 11:17:57 AM

Tottenham and Aston Villa to fight it out with Bournemouth for Nantes winger Georges-Kevin Nkoudou

http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2015/05/16/report-tottenham-and-aston-villa-to-fight-it-out-with-bournemout/

The wide-man has had a breakthrough season at Nantes this season.

Three Premier League teams are being linked with the signature of Nantes winger Georges-Kevin Nkoudou this weekend.

It is reported by by mercato365 that the trio of Tottenham Hotspur, Aston Villa and newly promoted AFC Bournemouth are all keen on snapping up the 20-year-old attacker for next season.

The report claims that they are willing to pay up to €2.5 million to bring the French-Cameroonian talent in to the club.

Tottenham are in need of new attacking options. Tottenham are struggling for wide-options, with the majority of their attacking options centrally based such as Erik Lamela, Christian Erkisen and Nacer Chadli.

Aston Villa boss Tim Sherwood always has his ear to the ground for top young talent and with Scott Sinclair coming to the end of his loan spell and Joe Cole out of contract, another attacking option would not go amiss.

Bournemouth, in the meanwhile, are simply looking for top quality additions to their side before launching their first Premier League survival bid.
Nkoudou is a former Paris Saint-Germain youngster who has played for Nantes since 2013. This season has been his breakthrough term, playing 27 times in 2014-15, scoring two goals.

Nkoudou is a former Paris Saint-Germain youngster who has played for Nantes since 2013. This season has been his breakthrough term, playing 27 times in 2014-15, scoring two goals

Show reel

Young and Spur want him .....we are going to see press like this all summer long

Also is Joe Cole out of contract this summer?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: warleyboy on May 17, 2015, 11:20:39 AM

Quote from: Londonvilla on May 17, 2015, 11:07:35 AM

Aston Villa in discussions about signing Manchester United's James Wilson

http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2015/05/17/report-aston-villa-in-discussions-about-signing-manchester-unite/?

Aston Villa have allegedly asked to take Manchester United striker James Wilson on loan

According to The Sun, Aston Villa have discussed the possibility of signing Manchester United striker James Wilson on loan this summer.

Villa had been in great form heading into this weekend, but a 6-1 thumping at the hands of Southampton had worried fans again - before Hull's defeat at Tottenham confirmed that Villa were safe from relegation and would be playing in the Premier League again next season.

Now, with his first task achieved, manager Tim Sherwood will not only be looking to try and win the FA Cup final against Arsenal at the end of the month, but also begin to plan ahead of next season.

Summer signings will be needed for Villa to avoid a similar situation next term, and finding a striker to ease some of the burden on Christian Benteke has to be a priority.

Given Sherwood's ability to work with youngsters, it's little surprise to see that The Sun are reporting that Villa have been in discussions with Manchester United, asking whether it would be possible to take Wilson on loan next season.

Wilson, 19, came up through the ranks at Old Trafford but has been a fringe player under Louis van Gaal, scoring twice in just 16 appearances - with 12 of those coming from the bench.

A loan move next season would make sense as the Red Devils look to accelerate Wilson's development, and Villa could be the perfect destination considering Sherwood's work with youngsters and the fact that he would be given first-team football with few other attacking options at Sherwood's disposal.

Yes please..... but just buy him.....he will be England No 9 at the next world cup...you saw it here first

I would take that deal, loan him for year and we have lost nothing. I think maybe there will be a few loan deals for us.
Our buys should be GK, CB and LB, get that sorted first and foremost.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on May 17, 2015, 11:21:07 AM

Didn't Cole sign a two year deal?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RossLeach on May 17, 2015, 11:21:58 AM

More than most summers I can remember, other than GK and CBs, almost all positions are dependent on whether one player stays or goes. If Benteke goes, TS needs to work out if he can find a replacement or we'll need a serious reshape of formation.

Even at full back. Bacuna is in the team before he gets forward and can find Benteke with a cross. Replace Benteke with Austin (say) and its a different type of full back needed.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Londonvilla on May 17, 2015, 11:26:13 AM

 Brad Guzan could be forced out of Aston Villa this summer

http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2015/05/15/report-brad-guzan-could-be-forced-out-of-aston-villa-this-summer/

The American goalkeeper's future at the club is said to be hanging in the balance as Tim Sherwood searches for a new long-term number one.

Aston Villa goalkeeper Brad Guzan has had to deal with the disappointment of losing his starting spot in recent weeks and now he could be facing a potential summer departure.

According to Sports Illustrated’s Grant Wahl, new manager Tim Sherwood has begun to make enquiries about bringing in another keeper for his first full campaign in charge which, if successful, would render Guzan surplus to requirements.

Several reports have linked the club with various shot-stoppers of late, with the Daily Mail naming FC Cologne’s Tim Horn, Molde’s Orjan Nyland and Brentford’s David Button as prime targets.

The latter in fact worked with Sherwood during his time on Tottenham Hotspur’s coaching staff and, with Villa goalkeeping coach Tony Parks also known to be a big fan, the Telegraph claim that Brentford will be powerless to prevent a summer bid should their promotion bid come up short.

The resurgent Shay Given, who still has another 12 months left on his £55,000-per-week deal, is also said to have been earmarked for a mentoring role for whoever might be brought in, leaving Guzan the odd man out and needing to go on the hunt for a new home.

On the surface, it would seem like a rash decision to ship out the US international, considering the superb performances he put in during his first two seasons between the posts after claiming the number one job from Given in September 2012.

Helping save the club from relegation in back-to-back campaigns with his shot-stopping heroics, his influence had even rivalled that of Christian Benteke and had some hailing him as one of the Premier League’s leading custodians.

He had not quite lived to those standards this term, prior to the horrendous blunder in last month's 3-2 defeat at Manchester City which has seen him sit out the subsequent wins over Everton and West Ham United, but most would argue that he was far from a liability either.

Nevertheless, from Guzan’s own perspective, a move might be the better option if Sherwood does not rate him as starting material.

The former Chivas USA stopper has been bidding to earn the US national team's starting job during Tim Howard’s self-imposed international sabbatical and, with the Everton veteran returning in September, he will need to be getting regular football to ensure that his compatriot does not just walk straight back into Jurgen Klinsmann’s side.

"FC Cologne’s Tim Horn, Molde’s Orjan Nyland and Brentford’s David Button as prime targets."
Out of these I would want Tim Horn or David Button but I would keep Brad..Shay a top man but its time for him to go...£55k a week is way to much.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on May 17, 2015, 12:25:32 PM

£55k a week is precisely why he's going nowhere

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on May 17, 2015, 12:32:14 PM

We do need to sign a keeper as the two we have are not good enough. If we can get the best young keeper under the radar that would be very good.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on May 17, 2015, 03:03:35 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on May 16, 2015, 10:53:58 PM

I think Danny Rose could finally resolve our LB issues.

Why? Who did he recommend?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villan from luton on May 17, 2015, 03:25:15 PM

Quote from: dekko on May 16, 2015, 11:56:49 PM

Quote from: Newby on May 16, 2015, 11:52:34 PM

Leroy Fer, Austin, Ings, Phillips. Not much else talent wise from those going down.

The Burnley RB Trippier is pretty good too

rumours is he is on his way to Liverpool

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on May 18, 2015, 12:22:46 AM

I like Leroy Fer, but he has been relegated twice in 2 seasons, which does not bode well. Norwich had a half decent side too last season.

Matt Phillips is well worth getting as a pacey wide option. He has a lot of assists which is a good sign.

Austin if Benteke went would be a good signing. He would score a lot of goals straight away while we scout for another beast.

It will be an interesting summer. An overhaul of the defence, with some outgoing would be good. A couple of full backs that can attack and defend would be really nice!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OzVilla on May 18, 2015, 07:04:08 AM

I'm not sure about Austin for us tbh.  I'm not sure he can play as a lone striker is anywhere near the same way Benteke can, he just doesn't have the physical presence or mobility required to pull that off. He doesn't have any real pace either.

If we signed Austin I think TS would need to change our style to 2 up top, so he'd need a partner.  I just don't see that happening.  He's a decent player but I just don't think he'd suit our style.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ROBBO on May 18, 2015, 08:27:52 AM

I hope we don't revert back to MON British only players, the one big plus with Lambert is that although quite a few didn't come off there were some very good buys by looking further than the Enlish divisions.
I would rather look overseas to see who may be availeable, cheaper and possibly more exciting.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on May 18, 2015, 08:38:50 AM

Quote from: OzVilla on May 18, 2015, 07:04:08 AM

I'm not sure about Austin for us tbh.  I'm not sure he can play as a lone striker is anywhere near the same way Benteke can, he just doesn't have the physical presence or mobility required to pull that off. He doesn't have any real pace either.

If we signed Austin I think TS would need to change our style to 2 up top, so he'd need a partner.  I just don't see that happening.  He's a decent player but I just don't think he'd suit our style.

I agree with all that. Similar with ings.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on May 18, 2015, 12:35:38 PM

I'd go for Glen Johnson as he seems to be surplus at Liverpool.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: richard moore on May 18, 2015, 12:45:49 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on May 18, 2015, 12:35:38 PM

I'd go for Glen Johnson as he seems to be surplus at Liverpool.

Will you let know all B and Qs in Birmingham know? Or was it Homebase?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 18, 2015, 12:46:15 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on May 18, 2015, 12:35:38 PM

I'd go for Glen Johnson as he seems to be surplus at Liverpool.

Please no, awful player.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on May 18, 2015, 12:48:51 PM

Quote from: richard moore on May 18, 2015, 12:45:49 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on May 18, 2015, 12:35:38 PM

I'd go for Glen Johnson as he seems to be surplus at Liverpool.

Will you let know all B and Qs in Birmingham know? Or was it Homebase?

B&Q in Dartford, Kent

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aev on May 18, 2015, 01:40:19 PM

Wasn't it a bog seat?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on May 18, 2015, 01:43:45 PM

Quote from: aev on May 18, 2015, 01:40:19 PM

Wasn't it a bog seat?

How ironic seeing as he's shit.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: richard moore on May 18, 2015, 01:44:03 PM

Quote from: aev on May 18, 2015, 01:40:19 PM

Wasn't it a bog seat?

Indeed it was I think

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 18, 2015, 01:55:43 PM

Quote from: Duncan Shaw on May 18, 2015, 12:46:15 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on May 18, 2015, 12:35:38 PM

I'd go for Glen Johnson as he seems to be surplus at Liverpool.

Please no, awful player.

A marginal upgrade on Bacuna but on significantly more wages and his career is on a downward trajectory whereas Bacuna should improve.
Not worth the extra cash if you ask me.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 18, 2015, 03:30:17 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on May 18, 2015, 01:55:43 PM

Quote from: Duncan Shaw on May 18, 2015, 12:46:15 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on May 18, 2015, 12:35:38 PM

I'd go for Glen Johnson as he seems to be surplus at Liverpool.

Please no, awful player.

A marginal upgrade on Bacuna but on significantly more wages and his career is on a downward trajectory whereas Bacuna should improve.
Not worth the extra cash if you ask me.

Glenda has papered over a hell of a lot of cracks over the years with the odd well timed 30 yard screamer. Occasionally on his left foot just to paper over even more.
Never that good a player and he's in his 30's now. I'd have Leandro over him every day of the week.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 18, 2015, 03:46:54 PM

Linked with Neil Taylor of Swansea this morning. Decent LB

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on May 18, 2015, 03:57:44 PM

We need to be linked with Jack Cork from City.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 18, 2015, 04:16:17 PM

Quote from: olaftab on May 18, 2015, 03:57:44 PM

We need to be linked with Jack Cork from City.

Quote from: olaftab on May 18, 2015, 03:57:44 PM

We need to be linked with Jack Cork from City.

Yes I like him , was he at on Chelseas books ?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on May 18, 2015, 08:45:32 PM

Quote from: olaftab on May 18, 2015, 03:57:44 PM

We need to be linked with Jack Cork from City.

Quote from: olaftab on May 18, 2015, 03:57:44 PM

We need to be linked with Jack Cork from City.

I like Cork.

Perhaps on reflection I was wrong about Glen Johnson...blame it on the fact my post was just before having my lunch!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Londonvilla on May 18, 2015, 10:48:21 PM

Aston Villa eye summer move for Coventry City teenager James Maddison

http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2015/05/18/report-aston-villa-eye-summer-move-for-coventry-city-teenager-ja/?

Aston Villa are reportedly eyeing Coventry's James Maddison.

According to the Daily Mirror, as cited by Sky Sports, Aston Villa are interested in signing Coventry City teenager James Maddison.

Villa may have suffered an embarrassing 6-1 loss at Southampton on Saturday, but Hull's defeat to Tottenham later that day meant that Tim Sherwood's side have now guaranteed their Premier League status for next season.

Now, with ambitions certainly higher than another relegation battle, Sherwood will be looking to strengthen his squad this summer, and there may well be an emphasis on youth considering his background with the Under-21 squad at Tottenham.

Now, Villa are reportedly interested in making a swoop on another West Midlands side by targeting Coventry City youngster Maddison.

The 18-year-old was born in Coventry and has now made his way up through the ranks with his hometown club, scoring twice in 18 appearances in League One this season.

His promising displays in the third tier appear to have attracted interested, with The Mirror suggesting that Villa and West Brom are considering moves for the teenager this summer.

A forward-thinking midfielder with great potential, Maddison would certainly be one for the future under Sherwood, who will be trying to mould his squad not only for next season but also for years to come.

Has anyone seen him?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on May 18, 2015, 10:52:38 PM

LV get your quoting sorted out so that we can distinguish your comment from the article?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Londonvilla on May 18, 2015, 10:53:08 PM

Aston Villa eye move for Swansea defender Neil Taylor

http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2015/05/18/aston-villa-eye-move-for-swansea-defender-neil-taylor/?

HITC Sport understands Aston Villa are stepping up their interest in Swansea defender Neil Taylor, as Tim Sherwood looks to reshape his squad this summer.

HITC Sport understands from sources close to the club that Aston Villa are lining up a move for Swansea and Wales defender Neil Taylor this summer.

Taylor is entering the final year of his contract at the Liberty Stadium and has yet to agree a new deal after holding talks.

Swansea are determined to keep hold of Taylor and are continuing negotiations as they look to secure the full-back's future on a long-term deal rather than risk losing him for nothing next summer.

The likes of Crystal Palace, West Brom and Newcastle are all keeping tabs on Taylor's situation at Swansea, but Villa are aiming to steal a march on their rivals by making the 26-year-old one of their top targets this summer.

Villa chief Sherwood is looking to revitalise his squad next season after they secured Premier League survival at the weekend despite their 6-1 thrashing at Southampton.

Left-back has been a problematic position for Villa this season with Kieran Richardson being used there in recent weeks and the need for a new left-back was illustrated in the hammering at Southampton when Alan Hutton was forced to play out of position at left-back.

Villa are ready to test Swansea's resolve to hang onto Taylor knowing they could land him for a bargain fee if he fails to agree a new deal beyond on 2016.

"The likes of Crystal Palace, West Brom and Newcastle are all keeping tabs"
Is this our level now?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 18, 2015, 10:55:32 PM

What level? Signing players from teams that are better than us? I hope so.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SheffieldVillain on May 18, 2015, 10:59:38 PM

Quote from: Londonvilla on May 18, 2015, 10:53:08 PM

Aston Villa eye move for Swansea defender Neil Taylor
 
Is this our level now?

I hope so. Taylor's a good solid left back.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on May 18, 2015, 11:00:47 PM

He's good, and will get better still. I'd like him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Londonvilla on May 18, 2015, 11:02:16 PM

"Reported Aston Villa target Ondrej Duda wanted by Borussia Monchengladbach

http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2015/05/18/report-reported-aston-villa-target-ondrej-duda-wanted-by-borussi/?

Aston Villa have been linked with Ondrej Duda, but now they face competition for his signature.

Duda has been linked with Aston Villa in the last few months, through transferrin.pl, but now a report in Legia.Sport claims that Borussia Monchengladbach want the 20-year-old playmaker this summer.

A young attacking midfielder, Duda is considered one of the brightest prospects in European football, and he currently turns out for Legia Warsaw in Poland. He moved to Legia in 2014, having started his career with MFK Kosice in his homeland of Slovakia.

It is with Legia that Duda has really come into his own, making 52 appearances, and scoring 11 goals and registering 10 assists.

He also earned his first international appearances due to his impressive form with Legia, and he has since earned two senior caps for Slovakia - scoring one goal.

Villa have long shown an interest in brining the talented youngster to the Premier League, and they can blow Monchengladbach out the water in terms of financial benefits to Legia.

However, at his young age, it is likely that Duda will favour a move to a club at which he is guaranteed first-team football, and he has certainly shown enough to suggest he would bring creativity and attacking intent to the midfield at Villa Park.

It seems as if he would excel under the leadership of Tim Sherwood, with the ultra offensive system being perfect for Duda to play as a number 10 and create goalscoring opportunities for his teammates.

Duda would be a great signing for Villa, but it remains to be seen whether they formalise their interest into a concrete approach for the young prospect this summer."

Show reel

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 18, 2015, 11:19:32 PM

Quote from: Londonvilla on May 18, 2015, 10:53:08 PM

Villa are ready to test Swansea's resolve to hang onto Taylor knowing they could land him for a bargain fee if he fails to agree a new deal beyond on 2016.

"The likes of Crystal Palace, West Brom and Newcastle are all keeping tabs"
Is this our level now?

Yes, frankly.

And looking at what we've had at left back of late, he'd be a definite, considerable improvement.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 18, 2015, 11:20:41 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 18, 2015, 10:55:32 PM

What level? Signing players from teams that are better than us? I hope so.

As someone who follows Welsh football, I think Neil Taylor would be a good buy.  Reminds me a bit of Alan Wright in that he's sound defensively, tidy on the ball and decent going forward.  Would be surprised if he left Swansea though. 

I know it's pure speculation at this point, but I do think we need quality players this summer to take us forward and not more unproven players.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on May 19, 2015, 12:07:45 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 18, 2015, 10:55:32 PM

What level? Signing players from teams that are better than us? I hope so.

Newcastle aren't better than us and Albion and Palace are only higher than us because they've had their managers longer than we've had Sherwood for.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 19, 2015, 12:21:42 AM

Quote from: OCD on May 19, 2015, 12:07:45 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 18, 2015, 10:55:32 PM

What level? Signing players from teams that are better than us? I hope so.

Newcastle aren't better than us and Albion and Palace are only higher than us because they've had their managers longer than we've had Sherwood for.

Isn't it a player from Swansea though? Who are currently a better side than us.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on May 19, 2015, 12:27:11 AM

Is he not a regular for Swansea, who are currently better than us? Why would he come?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 19, 2015, 12:53:49 AM

Quote from: OCD on May 19, 2015, 12:07:45 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 18, 2015, 10:55:32 PM

What level? Signing players from teams that are better than us? I hope so.

Newcastle aren't better than us and Albion and Palace are only higher than us because they've had their managers longer than we've had Sherwood for.

I think you misread my post.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 19, 2015, 12:55:12 AM

I wonder how this thread will look when we win the FA Cup and qualify for the Europa League. You'd have to think our transfer policy would have ramp up based on the demands of that competition.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 19, 2015, 06:21:10 AM

Thank you to Londonvilla for finding all these articles and seeking out the youtube footage.  Much appreciated.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rigadon on May 19, 2015, 06:46:01 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 19, 2015, 12:27:11 AM

Is he not a regular for Swansea, who are currently better than us? Why would he come?

Wages, prestige.  Form is temporary etc.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on May 19, 2015, 07:04:22 AM

Yeah but Swansea have been consistently better than us for the last four years

Would be a good signing but I'd be surprised if he wants to leave

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tom jennings III on May 19, 2015, 07:23:04 AM

I like Taylor and he would be a big improvement at LB for us. Who was the last player we signed from a PL club that the selling club didn't want to get rid of?! Downing, Collins or Bent maybe?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 19, 2015, 08:01:05 AM

Quote from: tom jennings III on May 19, 2015, 07:23:04 AM

I like Taylor and he would be a big improvement at LB for us. Who was the last player we signed from a PL club that the selling club didn't want to get rid of?! Downing, Collins or Bent maybe?

Eeesh. Depressing observation. True though, its been a while.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on May 19, 2015, 08:51:50 AM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on May 19, 2015, 08:01:05 AM

Quote from: tom jennings III on May 19, 2015, 07:23:04 AM

I like Taylor and he would be a big improvement at LB for us. Who was the last player we signed from a PL club that the selling club didn't want to get rid of?! Downing, Collins or Bent maybe?

Eeesh. Depressing observation. True though, its been a while.

True. But the same's probably true for almost every team in the league. Even say Everton.

In other news I see Man city are offering Milner a new £160k per week deal. Hopefully this finally puts to bed any calls we go back in for him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 19, 2015, 10:58:04 AM

Taylor or Robertson for left back would sort us in that position. Though the other week Robertson was valued at 12 mill. For that price no way, but if Hull go down, if we could get him for half that, we'd be doing well.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on May 19, 2015, 11:02:48 AM

Quote from: supertom on May 19, 2015, 10:58:04 AM

Taylor or Robertson for left back would sort us in that position. Though the other week Robertson was valued at 12 mill. For that price no way, but if Hull go down, if we could get him for half that, we'd be doing well.

He only seems to have played around half of Hull's matches this season and doesn't seem to have been injured. Just not picked.

What about Ben Davies? Was good enough to keep the much-praised Neil Taylor out of the Swansea team last season, was good enough to warrant Spurs paying £10m for him and hasn't really featured for them.

I still think it's worth persevering with another season of Cissokho. Pretty much every other player has picked up their game since Lambert left, he's one the only ones who hasn't had the opportunity to show whether he is able to do that same.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on May 19, 2015, 11:07:25 AM

I actually think there is a player in Cissokho. Looking at the fees paid for him in the past he has been a decent player and when he first came he got forward really well. I do hope he gets a full game at the weekend.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 19, 2015, 11:14:57 AM

Quote from: Dave on May 19, 2015, 11:02:48 AM

Quote from: supertom on May 19, 2015, 10:58:04 AM

Taylor or Robertson for left back would sort us in that position. Though the other week Robertson was valued at 12 mill. For that price no way, but if Hull go down, if we could get him for half that, we'd be doing well.

He only seems to have played around half of Hull's matches this season and doesn't seem to have been injured. Just not picked.

What about Ben Davies? Was good enough to keep the much-praised Neil Taylor out of the Swansea team last season, was good enough to warrant Spurs paying £10m for him and hasn't really featured for them.

I still think it's worth persevering with another season of Cissokho. Pretty much every other player has picked up their game since Lambert left, he's one the only ones who hasn't had the opportunity to show whether he is able to do that same.

Davies would be good but Spurs won't sell cheaply I don't think.
I'd be happy to keep Cissokho as an option as he's at least reasonably sound defensively. Richardson just gets a lot of injuries and though TS seems to rate him, I can't see him managing much more than 20 games next season. So we most definitely need to buy another option.
I think because Bruce has changed system a few times, Robertson has been in and out. He tends to play wing back more I think, while Figeurora steps in for a flat back four. So that would possibly leave question marks on Robertson defensively I suppose.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 19, 2015, 11:22:23 AM

Hasn't Taylor got a pretty poor record when it comes to injuries?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on May 19, 2015, 11:25:15 AM

Quote from: supertom on May 19, 2015, 11:14:57 AM

I think because Bruce has changed system a few times, Robertson has been in and out. He tends to play wing back more I think, while Figeurora steps in for a flat back four. So that would possibly leave question marks on Robertson defensively I suppose.

I'd say so - if it's thought that he isn't defensively strong enough to play in a back four for Hull, I'd be concerned about his suitability to do so for us.

It's not as if Sherwood has shown any inclination to play something other than a normal back four.

Besides, we've got our own "defensively ropey but gets forward well" left back in Bennett without spending more money on another one.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 19, 2015, 11:54:25 AM

I do wonder where Bennett fits in. He just didn't look convincing at all and needs to fill out more. The question is how much was Paul Lambert and how much was Joe Bennett in all of this? Did he do anything on loan to suggest he make the jump to PL next season?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on May 19, 2015, 11:55:06 AM

And indeed Richardson who is pretty dodgy defensively. Both sides there must be players who can improve although on the right I would say Lowton is a better bet than Bacuna. But Timmy seems to want their attacking side to be more prominent than worrying about defensive ability

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 19, 2015, 12:09:01 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 19, 2015, 11:55:06 AM

And indeed Richardson who is pretty dodgy defensively. Both sides there must be players who can improve although on the right I would say Lowton is a better bet than Bacuna. But Timmy seems to want their attacking side to be more prominent than worrying about defensive ability

I think that is because we are now playing with 2 number 10s  and  the fullbacks  provide the attacking width and Bacuna is more suited to that  ?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on May 19, 2015, 12:39:23 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 19, 2015, 12:53:49 AM

Quote from: OCD on May 19, 2015, 12:07:45 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 18, 2015, 10:55:32 PM

What level? Signing players from teams that are better than us? I hope so.

Newcastle aren't better than us and Albion and Palace are only higher than us because they've had their managers longer than we've had Sherwood for.

I think you misread my post.

I seem to have quoted the wrong quote and missed a page when I commented. So quite an impressive screw up. I hadn’t been long out of work is my excuse.

Taylor's a solid left back but I think Sherwood would probably want someone a bit more attack minded.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 19, 2015, 02:05:42 PM

Quote from: Dave on May 19, 2015, 11:25:15 AM

Quote from: supertom on May 19, 2015, 11:14:57 AM

I think because Bruce has changed system a few times, Robertson has been in and out. He tends to play wing back more I think, while Figeurora steps in for a flat back four. So that would possibly leave question marks on Robertson defensively I suppose.

I'd say so - if it's thought that he isn't defensively strong enough to play in a back four for Hull, I'd be concerned about his suitability to do so for us.

It's not as if Sherwood has shown any inclination to play something other than a normal back four.

Besides, we've got our own "defensively ropey but gets forward well" left back in Bennett without spending more money on another one.

Hull relative said this about him.

Quote

Diamond in the rough. Very good going forward, but he's made a couple of mistakes that have cost us. Great crosser too, but also been crocked a few times so Brady has taken his spot

 Gets exposed in 352, better suited for 442 which we don't do.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: warleyboy on May 19, 2015, 02:23:09 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 19, 2015, 11:55:06 AM

And indeed Richardson who is pretty dodgy defensively. Both sides there must be players who can improve although on the right I would say Lowton is a better bet than Bacuna. But Timmy seems to want their attacking side to be more prominent than worrying about defensive ability

Let's be realistic, if you was in Tim's shoes, would you not have gone about the remaining games as he has done.
We couldn't score in a brothel under PL regime.

He has installed an attacking mentality which has worked, outplayed most teams whilst under his charge with the exception of the saints.
Next season will see slight changes in the fact he realises how poor our defence is.
Also, I believe there will be quite a few changes, he is not going to belittle or be derogatory about any players whilst in our great escape and fa cup final, who would that help...
He has correctly made everybody a part of the team, but that will change after fa cup final day.... That's when things start to become interesting...

Maybe, he doesn't like the way we are so Benteke focused, maybe he wants the revenue from him to buy more players who could score from all over the park, we just don't know ?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 19, 2015, 02:33:17 PM

Quote from: warleyboy on May 19, 2015, 02:23:09 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 19, 2015, 11:55:06 AM

And indeed Richardson who is pretty dodgy defensively. Both sides there must be players who can improve although on the right I would say Lowton is a better bet than Bacuna. But Timmy seems to want their attacking side to be more prominent than worrying about defensive ability

Let's be realistic, if you was in Tim's shoes, would you not have gone about the remaining games as he has done.

Sherwood himself made that pretty clear with his "we're not the sort of side to grind out results to get ourselves out of troube, we're going to have to go for it" thing.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on May 19, 2015, 02:46:18 PM

There has been lots of fun, expansive football, but those narrow 1-0 wins against Spurs and West Ham were pretty grindy. Particularly the Spurs one.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on May 19, 2015, 02:56:15 PM

But they weren't backs to the wall type of wins. 2nd half Tottenham offered very little and the better team won. i'm still struggling to remember how we were supposedly hanging on in the end v West Ham as I thought we were comfortable other than 1 or 2 scares which were nothing more than balls being put into our box.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on May 19, 2015, 03:04:27 PM

Quote from: peter w on May 19, 2015, 02:56:15 PM

But they weren't backs to the wall type of wins. 2nd half Tottenham offered very little and the better team won. i'm still struggling to remember how we were supposedly hanging on in the end v West Ham as I thought we were comfortable other than 1 or 2 scares which were nothing more than balls being put into our box.

Check back to the last half dozen pages of the Spurs match thread and I reckon you'll find everybody absolutely convinced that we were going to concede an equaliser. That's certainly how I felt.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on May 19, 2015, 03:21:03 PM

I was nervous as hell at White Hart Lane, but that is because you're in the maelstrom of the moment. I said when walking down the steps that Guzan hadn't had a shot to save in anger pretty much throughout, which is true. When you watch it back, we're comfortable and if you were a Spurs fan at the time, you'd probably be saying "we're never going to score in a month of Sundays".

We dominated Spurs and should have won by 2 or 3. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 19, 2015, 03:41:21 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 19, 2015, 11:22:23 AM

Hasn't Taylor got a pretty poor record when it comes to injuries?

Suffered a bad one a while back (can't remember if it was his knee or ankle) but rarely missed a game before or after that. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: fredm on May 19, 2015, 04:53:07 PM

Speaking to a Leeds ST holder today.  He said he has been told by someone who is usually quite reliable about Leeds matters that Sam Byram is coming to VP this summer.  21 year old right back/wide right midfield, thought very highly of at Elland Road by management and fans.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on May 19, 2015, 06:32:24 PM

Quote from: fredm on May 19, 2015, 04:53:07 PM

Speaking to a Leeds ST holder today.  He said he has been told by someone who is usually quite reliable about Leeds matters that Sam Byram is coming to VP this summer.  21 year old right back/wide right midfield, thought very highly of at Elland Road by management and fans.

It would be madness to ditch Bacuna so would Hutton be off?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on May 19, 2015, 06:48:31 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 19, 2015, 11:07:25 AM

I actually think there is a player in Cissokho. Looking at the fees paid for him in the past he has been a decent player and when he first came he got forward really well. I do hope he gets a full game at the weekend.

couldnt disagree more re Cissokho. Clubs foolishly spending big money on him previously isnt the best guide really. If anything his career has been in decline for some time, bombed out of Valencia, Liverpool and arguably Lyon for a finish. His bright form at Porto/Lyon was only over about 2 seasons. He was reasonably solid when he first joined us but as we started playing a more expansive style his lack of ability was exposed. Carlos Cuellar was Cafu like in comparison. He needs to go as do Joe Bennett and Matt Lowton. Lets just start again definitely at left back, our right back options can do for another year (Hutton/Bacuna).

Right back isnt a priority position imo but wouldnt be against us going in for Kyle Walker if he was available this summer, his form has dropped off but re-uniting with Villa/Sherwood could only improve him before the Euros.



 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 19, 2015, 06:48:37 PM

Quote from: OCD on May 19, 2015, 06:32:24 PM

Quote from: fredm on May 19, 2015, 04:53:07 PM

Speaking to a Leeds ST holder today.  He said he has been told by someone who is usually quite reliable about Leeds matters that Sam Byram is coming to VP this summer.  21 year old right back/wide right midfield, thought very highly of at Elland Road by management and fans.

It would be madness to ditch Bacuna so would Hutton be off?

As good as Hutton has played this season (particularly the first 3/4) I would actually be tempted to cash in given his age and the fact that after a decent season we might have a few takers for him. A couple of million extra in the transfer kitty could be useful. I like Hutton but I think giving him that long deal was a bit foolish. If we are to cash in on him then now is the time because we'll get peanuts in a years time, or lose him for nothing the year after.

But this would be on the proviso we have a good replacement lined up.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on May 19, 2015, 07:51:42 PM

Quote from: Dave on May 19, 2015, 03:04:27 PM

Quote from: peter w on May 19, 2015, 02:56:15 PM

But they weren't backs to the wall type of wins. 2nd half Tottenham offered very little and the better team won. i'm still struggling to remember how we were supposedly hanging on in the end v West Ham as I thought we were comfortable other than 1 or 2 scares which were nothing more than balls being put into our box.

Check back to the last half dozen pages of the Spurs match thread and I reckon you'll find everybody absolutely convinced that we were going to concede an equaliser. That's certainly how I felt.

Doesn't mean a great deal. I shat it too but more our of fear of throwing away a win. When the whistle went it was easier to reflect that we were well worthy of the win.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on May 19, 2015, 07:55:33 PM

Quote from: Ads on May 19, 2015, 03:21:03 PM

I was nervous as hell at White Hart Lane, but that is because you're in the maelstrom of the moment. I said when walking down the steps that Guzan hadn't had a shot to save in anger pretty much throughout, which is true. When you watch it back, we're comfortable and if you were a Spurs fan at the time, you'd probably be saying "we're never going to score in a month of Sundays".

We dominated Spurs and should have won by 2 or 3. 

Indeed. I was watching it with a Liverpool and a Real Madrid fan (dad's from Spain) and they were laughing at my panic antics saying that we were far better than Tottenham and that Tottenham wouldn't score. Of course I thought the denouement would be typical Villa. But, it wasn't.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 19, 2015, 08:10:56 PM

Quote from: peter w on May 19, 2015, 07:51:42 PM

Quote from: Dave on May 19, 2015, 03:04:27 PM

Quote from: peter w on May 19, 2015, 02:56:15 PM

But they weren't backs to the wall type of wins. 2nd half Tottenham offered very little and the better team won. i'm still struggling to remember how we were supposedly hanging on in the end v West Ham as I thought we were comfortable other than 1 or 2 scares which were nothing more than balls being put into our box.

Check back to the last half dozen pages of the Spurs match thread and I reckon you'll find everybody absolutely convinced that we were going to concede an equaliser. That's certainly how I felt.

Doesn't mean a great deal. I shat it too but more our of fear of throwing away a win. When the whistle went it was easier to reflect that we were well worthy of the win.

It quite common to think the worst during a game (and as Villa fans we are almost programmed to expecting the worst) but then when you watch the highlights or think back you wonder why you were ever worried at all. The Spurs game was like that. They created next to nothing over 90 min.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on May 19, 2015, 08:38:51 PM

Delfouneso free to sign for villa. A second chance at villa under Sherwood could mean his eventual promise fulfilled. However no truth to Luke Moore coming

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 19, 2015, 08:40:53 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on May 19, 2015, 08:38:51 PM

Delfouneso free to sign for villa. A second chance at villa under Sherwood could mean his eventual promise fulfilled. However no truth to Luke Moore coming

Yes, that's just what we need. He had his chance. He couldn't even cut it further down let alone be considered a PL player.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 19, 2015, 08:42:45 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on May 19, 2015, 08:38:51 PM

Delfouneso free to sign for villa. A second chance at villa under Sherwood could mean his eventual promise fulfilled. However no truth to Luke Moore coming

What about Jason Scotland? Is he available still?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 19, 2015, 09:20:27 PM

We should break the bank for Altidore.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on May 19, 2015, 09:23:09 PM

Jay Spearing to anchor the midfield.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on May 19, 2015, 09:27:24 PM

Bobby Zamora would be good also.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on May 19, 2015, 09:52:30 PM

Carlton Palmer signed yet?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 19, 2015, 09:54:00 PM

Have QPR released Karl Henry yet?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on May 19, 2015, 09:56:05 PM

In all seriousness, I think Flamini is on a bosman. Any takers?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on May 19, 2015, 10:14:21 PM

Quote from: Dave on May 19, 2015, 11:02:48 AM

Quote from: supertom on May 19, 2015, 10:58:04 AM

Taylor or Robertson for left back would sort us in that position. Though the other week Robertson was valued at 12 mill. For that price no way, but if Hull go down, if we could get him for half that, we'd be doing well.

He only seems to have played around half of Hull's matches this season and doesn't seem to have been injured. Just not picked.

What about Ben Davies? Was good enough to keep the much-praised Neil Taylor out of the Swansea team last season, was good enough to warrant Spurs paying £10m for him and hasn't really featured for them.

I still think it's worth persevering with another season of Cissokho. Pretty much every other player has picked up their game since Lambert left, he's one the only ones who hasn't had the opportunity to show whether he is able to do that same.

Robertson was injured in January and April and missed 7 or 8 games.  I remember the commentator in the Arsenal match saying that he (was on the bench) had only just come back from injury.  After only one season in the PL and only young, £12m would seem way over the top.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on May 19, 2015, 10:19:09 PM

Quote from: Newby on May 19, 2015, 09:56:05 PM

In all seriousness, I think Flamini is on a bosman. Any takers?

No he carries lot of luggage!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on May 19, 2015, 10:19:55 PM

Quote from: Clampy on May 19, 2015, 09:27:24 PM

Bobby Zamora would be good also.

Now ya talkin!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on May 19, 2015, 10:23:01 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on May 19, 2015, 06:48:31 PM

couldnt disagree more re Cissokho. Clubs foolishly spending big money on him previously isnt the best guide really. If anything his career has been in decline for some time, bombed out of Valencia, Liverpool and arguably Lyon for a finish. His bright form at Porto/Lyon was only over about 2 seasons. He was reasonably solid when he first joined us but as we started playing a more expansive style his lack of ability was exposed. Carlos Cuellar was Cafu like in comparison. He needs to go as do Joe Bennett and Matt Lowton. Lets just start again definitely at left back, our right back options can do for another year (Hutton/Bacuna).
 

Expansive?  We became just the opposite under Lambert.  The slower we became in moving the ball around, the worse Cissokho looked.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on May 20, 2015, 12:20:21 AM

Quote from: old man villa fan on May 19, 2015, 10:23:01 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on May 19, 2015, 06:48:31 PM

couldnt disagree more re Cissokho. Clubs foolishly spending big money on him previously isnt the best guide really. If anything his career has been in decline for some time, bombed out of Valencia, Liverpool and arguably Lyon for a finish. His bright form at Porto/Lyon was only over about 2 seasons. He was reasonably solid when he first joined us but as we started playing a more expansive style his lack of ability was exposed. Carlos Cuellar was Cafu like in comparison. He needs to go as do Joe Bennett and Matt Lowton. Lets just start again definitely at left back, our right back options can do for another year (Hutton/Bacuna).
 

Expansive?  We became just the opposite under Lambert.  The slower we became in moving the ball around, the worse Cissokho looked.

True, expansive is not quite correct, possession orientated would be a better description. We were hoofball at the start of the season until Lambert's trip to Germany when we tried to play like Barca minus any semblance of attacking threat. Polar opposite approaches that had only one thing in common.

Anyway Cissokho was awful, lumbering forward. Horrible touch, running the ball out of play regularly. Defensively he became a car crash too while his display at Hull was the most gutless I've seen since Stephen Warnock donned a Villa shirt

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on May 20, 2015, 12:20:50 AM

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/443141/EXCLUSIVE-Villa-prepare-15m-bid-Chelsea-Liverpool-target-Charlie-Austin

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 20, 2015, 12:25:17 AM

It's funny how everyone has sold Benteke for us and no article suggests he may very well remain at the club. And it's always to Liverpool, a poxy Europa League side that we beat twice this season and handily too might I add. And to make it worse once with Paul Bollocks Football Lambert in charge. I'll be worried about Benteke leaving once he is linked with Chelsea or Man U or a team like PSG who have something tangibly better to offer him than a has been club like Liverpool where their best and better players are looking to leave rather than stay.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on May 20, 2015, 12:38:17 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 20, 2015, 12:25:17 AM

It's funny how everyone has sold Benteke for us and no article suggests he may very well remain at the club. And it's always to Liverpool, a poxy Europa League side that we beat twice this season and handily too might I add. And to make it worse once with Paul Bollocks Football Lambert in charge. I'll be worried about Benteke leaving once he is linked with Chelsea or Man U or a team like PSG who have something tangibly better to offer him than a has been club like Liverpool where their best and better players are looking to leave rather than stay.

Benteke would be a good signing for Man Utd. They will be getting Falcao and probably Van Persie off the payroll this summer. Benteke would suit the direct football played at Old Trafford these days. Bale and Rooney up there with him and they would take stopping

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: E I Adio on May 20, 2015, 12:42:56 AM

Quote from: Tuscans on May 20, 2015, 12:20:50 AM

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/443141/EXCLUSIVE-Villa-prepare-15m-bid-Chelsea-Liverpool-target-Charlie-Austin

Blimey. When did I miss this?

"The player has made no secret of his desire to move to a bigger club "

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 20, 2015, 12:48:59 AM

Sounds legit, Benteke only £10m more than Bolasie. Hold on..... £20m for Bolasie? Hahahahahahaha

Quote

Liverpool are preparing a £56.5m triple bid as Brendan Rodgers gets his summer rebuilding work underway, according to The Sun.

The Reds are looking to tie up deals for Christian Benteke, Danny Ings, and Yannick Bolasie.

They will reportedly bid £30m and £20m for Benteke and Bolasie respectively, while Ings could command a £6.5m compensation fee as he is out of contract at Burnley.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on May 20, 2015, 01:14:07 AM

Quote from: E I Adio on May 20, 2015, 12:42:56 AM

Quote from: Tuscans on May 20, 2015, 12:20:50 AM

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/443141/EXCLUSIVE-Villa-prepare-15m-bid-Chelsea-Liverpool-target-Charlie-Austin

Blimey. When did I miss this?

"The player has made no secret of his desire to move to a bigger club "

...and yet the very same reporter wrote about our desire to keep Benteke just 3 days earlier:

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/442449/Tim-Sherwood-Christian-Benteke-stay-Aston-Villa

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on May 20, 2015, 09:49:16 AM

I think we should seriously think about selling Benteke to Liverpool. Based on their previous transfer dealings we could get 200M for him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passport1 on May 20, 2015, 10:21:24 AM

I'm wondering has (last Saturday aside) our recent up turn in form proved too much for certain supporters. CB is contracted to Villa yet they seem desperate to sell him rather than build a team around him.

'Twas ever thus.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on May 20, 2015, 10:37:35 AM

People need to remember just how many times he has dragged us out of the shit on his own. We do not need another 3 10m strikers...he is worth so much more than 30m to us

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on May 20, 2015, 10:46:01 AM

agreed but the chances of hanging on to him beyond the end of the season look infinitesimal to me and I wouldn't blame him at all for now wanting out. The one thing Lambert got spot on - apart from the initial signing  - was getting CB to pen an extended contract. Had he not done so, we would have been relegated by now. Benteke has (virtually) single headedly kept us afloat since 2012 and needs to test himself at CL level now.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on May 20, 2015, 10:56:33 AM

The days of Liverpool clicking their fingers and the best players come running are over but they still don't accept it though. Even their best young player wants out yet to listen to them you'd think there was some kind of dark magic that has brainwashed Sterling's head. Nothing to do with the fact that he just might fancy a move to another club.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on May 20, 2015, 11:06:53 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 20, 2015, 12:48:59 AM

Sounds legit, Benteke only £10m more than Bolasie. Hold on..... £20m for Bolasie? Hahahahahahaha

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Liverpool are preparing a £56.5m triple bid as Brendan Rodgers gets his summer rebuilding work underway, according to The Sun.

The Reds are looking to tie up deals for Christian Benteke, Danny Ings, and Yannick Bolasie.

They will reportedly bid £30m and £20m for Benteke

That will get them to the negotiating table at least.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on May 20, 2015, 11:07:04 AM

If I start with Carroll transfer fee of £35M and look at differences between him and Christian I am comparing a thoroughbred Grand National winner to a cart pulling mule. So Liverpool how much do you think he is going to cost? £50M is not enough.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on May 20, 2015, 01:18:44 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on May 19, 2015, 09:20:27 PM

We should break the bank for Altidore.

Well he is rated as equal to Jermaine Defoe as part of swap deal plus he scored 8 goals in 5 matches however he's not suited to premier league. Danny Graham also isn't but who knows

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on May 20, 2015, 01:22:21 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on May 20, 2015, 01:18:44 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on May 19, 2015, 09:20:27 PM

We should break the bank for Altidore.

Well he is rated as equal to Jermaine Defoe as part of swap deal plus he scored 8 goals in 5 matches however he's not suited to premier league. Danny Graham also isn't but who knows

Who knows what?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on May 20, 2015, 01:39:02 PM

It occurs to me that, after we have beaten Arse, in the Cup, Villa will be in the Europa League, the consequences of which will surely have some bearing on our transfer activities and, possibly, the standard of player we can attract.................Godzvilla!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on May 20, 2015, 01:43:39 PM

Danny Graham has raw talent, but he could do with some expert tuition from Jason Scotland.

A sloth in the box.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on May 20, 2015, 01:47:27 PM

Quote from: olaftab on May 20, 2015, 11:07:04 AM

If I start with Carroll transfer fee of £35M and look at differences between him and Christian I am comparing a thoroughbred Grand National winner to a cart pulling mule. So Liverpool how much do you think he is going to cost? £50M is not enough.

I don't want us to sell and agree he is worth much more than £30m.  But comparing his value to what are acknowledged disastrous transfers at hugely inflated fees hardly gives a reasonable indication to his worth does it?  Liverpool are hardly going to say "we were utter fuckwits with the Andy Carrol deal so lets offer double what anyone else would for Benteke" are they?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on May 20, 2015, 02:17:50 PM

I'm not so  sure. Never underestimate any football club's propensity towards extreme fuckwittery

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 20, 2015, 02:48:16 PM

If they are prepared to pay £20m for Bolasie then it's fair to say they haven't learnt a thing.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aev on May 20, 2015, 04:11:04 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 20, 2015, 02:48:16 PM

If they are prepared to pay £20m for Bolasie then it's fair to say they haven't learnt a thing.

I have watched a fair bit of Bolasie and whilst he is very skillful, his crossing is absolutely awful.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 20, 2015, 05:42:50 PM

If we're looking for a keeper, Asmir Begovic might be a good shout.  It seems like Stoke are favouring Butland, and Begovic only has 1 year left on his contract.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on May 20, 2015, 05:45:42 PM

Quote from: aev on May 20, 2015, 04:11:04 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 20, 2015, 02:48:16 PM

If they are prepared to pay £20m for Bolasie then it's fair to say they haven't learnt a thing.

I have watched a fair bit of Bolasie and whilst he is very skillful, his crossing is absolutely awful.

I don't even think he's that skillful, he's very quick and has just enough skill to make the most of that pace.  I agree that his crossing is poor, he's also a poor finisher.  He reminds me a lot of where Gabby was a few years ago, on his day he'll really hurt teams but that day won't be all that regular and as he gets older he'll get worse.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 20, 2015, 06:16:16 PM

Quote from: paul_e on May 20, 2015, 05:45:42 PM

Quote from: aev on May 20, 2015, 04:11:04 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 20, 2015, 02:48:16 PM

If they are prepared to pay £20m for Bolasie then it's fair to say they haven't learnt a thing.

I have watched a fair bit of Bolasie and whilst he is very skillful, his crossing is absolutely awful.

I don't even think he's that skillful, he's very quick and has just enough skill to make the most of that pace.  I agree that his crossing is poor, he's also a poor finisher.  He reminds me a lot of where Gabby was a few years ago, on his day he'll really hurt teams but that day won't be all that regular and as he gets older he'll get worse.

No, he is skillful. He is vastly overrated but he can very much mug any defender off. I've never seen gabby do what this lad can. Although it's all a bit pointless when your final ball is shit.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on May 20, 2015, 07:08:54 PM

"Bolasie isn't skillful"

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 20, 2015, 07:35:03 PM

The Daily Mail.

Why do the media insist on "every fan" bollocks, it like when ITV think everyone wants Chelsea/Manure to win the CL every year when in reality, most neutrals probably want them smashed out of sight.

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Bolasie's manager Alan Pardew says he is worth £40million. That is no doubt an exaggeration but it is little wonder he is trying to put off potential suitors.
Whether he is still at Selhurst Park or not come next season, every Premier League fan must hope Bolasie will be gracing the top flight for years to come.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on May 20, 2015, 08:56:00 PM

Quote from: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 20, 2015, 05:42:50 PM

If we're looking for a keeper, Asmir Begovic might be a good shout.  It seems like Stoke are favouring Butland, and Begovic only has 1 year left on his contract.

I wouldn't be surprised if Begovic has already agreed a move somewhere, maybe United or Arsenal.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on May 20, 2015, 08:58:26 PM

Bolasie needs much more end product but to compare him to gabby skill-wise is ludicrous sorry!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on May 20, 2015, 08:59:47 PM

How much would Palace want if he had a end product?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on May 20, 2015, 10:27:52 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on May 20, 2015, 01:18:44 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on May 19, 2015, 09:20:27 PM

We should break the bank for Altidore.

Well he is rated as equal to Jermaine Defoe as part of swap deal plus he scored 8 goals in 5 matches however he's not suited to premier league. Danny Graham also isn't but who knows

Welcome back, VillaKicks

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Londonvilla on May 20, 2015, 10:29:57 PM

"Villa ready to offload loan midfielder

Yacouba Sylla has no future at Aston Villa and will be allowed to leave for a cut-price fee this summer following his loan in Turkey.

https://www.clubcall.com/aston-villa/villa-ready-to-offload-loan-midfielder-1769921.html?

The midfielder has been on a season-long loan switch at Turkish top-flight side Kayseri Erciyesspor after being allowed to leave Villa Park last summer - 18 months after his arrival from France. He is set to return to the Midlands next month but has apparently already been told he must try and find a new club, with boss Tim Sherwood unlikely to offer him a chance to prove himself during pre-season. The 24-year-old, who has made a total of 22 Premier League appearances over two seasons at Villa Park, is open to the idea of a transfer to another English club but the more realistic outcome for him is a return to France, where several sides are keeping an eye on his situation. Villa signed the defensive midfielder for around £2million in January 2013 but would accept offers of around half that amount this summer, despite a relatively successful spell in Turkey where he played 19 times, scoring one goal, this season."

We don't need him so its best to let him go......."scoring one goal, this season"

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 20, 2015, 10:30:25 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 20, 2015, 08:58:26 PM

Bolasie needs much more end product but to compare him to gabby skill-wise is ludicrous sorry!

I recall when we played them earlier in the season he roasted our fullbacks all game but persistently failed to deliver a decent final ball or shot. He's 26 soon so he's not got much time to improve in that department.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on May 20, 2015, 10:54:06 PM

Liverpool are in danger of only signing players who play well against them!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on May 20, 2015, 10:57:55 PM

Back to villa and I am increasingly thinking benteke will go, and you can't blame him

I'm coming around to Charlie Austin. In part because as we've developed under sherwood we've become a better passing side and less reliant on the big man. But whether Austin can play by himself or needs a partner I'm less sure

I can't envisage adebayor in a villa shirt. Fantastic player on his day but he makes ballotelli look like a safe option!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 20, 2015, 11:08:22 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 20, 2015, 10:57:55 PM

Back to villa and I am increasingly thinking benteke will go, and you can't blame him

I'm coming around to Charlie Austin. In part because as we've developed under sherwood we've become a better passing side and less reliant on the big man. But whether Austin can play by himself or needs a partner I'm less sure

I can't envisage adebayor in a villa shirt. Fantastic player on his day but he makes ballotelli look like a safe option!

Austin has played a fair bit by himself. Plus I would guess the way Sherwood would set up would be to get those "number 10's" coming to support him and feed him.
He does play well with a big man, but Zamora has only played 21 games this season, and didn't play many last season so Austin has managed by himself at times. He's a brilliant finisher.
The way Grealish draws out defenders could make Austin very productive for us.

That said I'd rather keep Benteke.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 20, 2015, 11:15:06 PM

Quote from: paul_e on May 20, 2015, 05:45:42 PM

Quote from: aev on May 20, 2015, 04:11:04 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 20, 2015, 02:48:16 PM

If they are prepared to pay £20m for Bolasie then it's fair to say they haven't learnt a thing.

I have watched a fair bit of Bolasie and whilst he is very skillful, his crossing is absolutely awful.

I don't even think he's that skillful, he's very quick and has just enough skill to make the most of that pace.  I agree that his crossing is poor, he's also a poor finisher.  He reminds me a lot of where Gabby was a few years ago, on his day he'll really hurt teams but that day won't be all that regular and as he gets older he'll get worse.

He reminds me a lot of Shaun Wright Phillips when he was at Man. City, Chelsea paid 24m for him which was way OTT as he didn't have the technique for top level games and think Bolaise is the same, decent player he is.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 20, 2015, 11:45:22 PM

Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on May 20, 2015, 07:08:54 PM

"Bolasie isn't skillful"

Gabby can do that in his sleep.

I mean he actually dreams about it. Kicks his legs like a puppy.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 21, 2015, 12:08:07 AM

Quote from: supertom on May 20, 2015, 11:08:22 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 20, 2015, 10:57:55 PM

Back to villa and I am increasingly thinking benteke will go, and you can't blame him

I'm coming around to Charlie Austin. In part because as we've developed under sherwood we've become a better passing side and less reliant on the big man. But whether Austin can play by himself or needs a partner I'm less sure

I can't envisage adebayor in a villa shirt. Fantastic player on his day but he makes ballotelli look like a safe option!

Austin has played a fair bit by himself. Plus I would guess the way Sherwood would set up would be to get those "number 10's" coming to support him and feed him.
He does play well with a big man, but Zamora has only played 21 games this season, and didn't play many last season so Austin has managed by himself at times. He's a brilliant finisher.
The way Grealish draws out defenders could make Austin very productive for us.

That said I'd rather keep Benteke.

I wasn't really impressed with him when we played them recently.  Not really involved or particularly mobile.  He does seem to score goals though my concern would be that the likes of Grant Holt have managed to do that in their first season in the top flight.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 21, 2015, 12:13:04 AM

I think Austin could be more the 'real deal' than Holt was. Holt was 30 or 31 by the time he reached the PL, Austin is about 5 years younger. And his record has stayed impressive as he's moved up the leagues. 1 in 2 at every club at every level.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: CT Villan on May 21, 2015, 03:19:24 AM

Bolasie at Palace reminds me of N'Zog at Wigan.

If Benteke has his heart set on moving (and I hope he doesn't) I think we could do a lot worse than Austin...the difference between him and Holt is Austin has scored lots this season in an absolutely awful team.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on May 21, 2015, 06:26:52 AM

I do have reservations on Austin - principally lack of pace. But I was checking out his goals this season and there are a lot of great first time finishes in there

If we could get a six foot plus, fast, strong goal scorer who can be the focal point and danger man is obviously go for him. But we've got one of those and i increasingly think we should be aiming for more than £30m. If sterling is going to be £40m plus . .

Adebayor is the closest remotely attainable player of that ilk. But it would be a huge gamble and he might not come. Loan perhaps?

Other than that I think it's abroad and I just don't know enough about the Belgian, French and Dutch leagues which is where I think we'd be looking.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 21, 2015, 07:09:27 AM

Isn't Charlie Austin the same sort of player as Bent?  Wouldn't it be cheaper to just re-sign bent whilst we scout/find a player with more facets to their game?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on May 21, 2015, 07:27:30 AM

Bent saved us one season from the drop but he's not the same player now. He did very well at Derby but the clue is the league they play in. If Benteke goes we need someone younger, hungrier and more versatile.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on May 21, 2015, 08:46:42 AM

I don't really know about austin's hold up play, but I think there is some. Bent literally doesn't have any

Also think we should be looking to strengthen the attacking midfield options, an upgrade or alternative to nzogbia

I'd benteke does go we'll need more goals from elsewhere and grealish and nzogbia have zero between them this season (albeit they've only probably played 20 games between them).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SashasGrandad on May 21, 2015, 08:54:14 AM

I'm getting sick of all this paper talk about Benteke going to a northern club in a run down fishing port. If he leaves to play for a CL team on mega money fair enough - but a move to a backwater at the end of the M62 (the Western end) is a best a sideways move.

Just another example of the meedia desperately trying to unsettle us before the cup final as they are terrified we might win.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 21, 2015, 10:56:38 AM

Anyone else find themselves counting down the minutes to the expiry of Darren Bent's contract with us, so we'll finally be free of the "we should keep Bent" / "Bent shouldn't be on loan, he should he here" loop?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on May 21, 2015, 11:16:14 AM

yes, but I wish him well in the future

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on May 21, 2015, 11:44:24 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 21, 2015, 10:56:38 AM

Anyone else find themselves counting down the minutes to the expiry of Darren Bent's contract with us, so we'll finally be free of the "we should keep Bent" / "Bent shouldn't be on loan, he should he here" loop?

Then it will be 'should we get Bent in on a loan deal?'  :-)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on May 21, 2015, 11:53:40 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 21, 2015, 10:56:38 AM

Anyone else find themselves counting down the minutes to the expiry of Darren Bent's contract with us, so we'll finally be free of the "we should keep Bent" / "Bent shouldn't be on loan, he should he here" loop?

Can he play against Burnley?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Monty on May 21, 2015, 11:59:16 AM

Even were he to call time on his career, someone would post something like '5 goals in 6 games for Bent in the North Cambs u-50s league - anyone else think we should get him out of retirement?'

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on May 21, 2015, 12:03:01 PM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 20, 2015, 11:15:06 PM

Quote from: paul_e on May 20, 2015, 05:45:42 PM

Quote from: aev on May 20, 2015, 04:11:04 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 20, 2015, 02:48:16 PM

If they are prepared to pay £20m for Bolasie then it's fair to say they haven't learnt a thing.

I have watched a fair bit of Bolasie and whilst he is very skillful, his crossing is absolutely awful.

I don't even think he's that skillful, he's very quick and has just enough skill to make the most of that pace.  I agree that his crossing is poor, he's also a poor finisher.  He reminds me a lot of where Gabby was a few years ago, on his day he'll really hurt teams but that day won't be all that regular and as he gets older he'll get worse.

He reminds me a lot of Shaun Wright Phillips when he was at Man. City, Chelsea paid 24m for him which was way OTT as he didn't have the technique for top level games and think Bolaise is the same, decent player he is.

That's probably a better example in terms of a skill comparison, but that's not what I did.  Posting videos like the one above doesn't mean much either, and nor do a few highlights on motd, he can do skillful things but I don't think he has the close control, end product or potential to be worth the figures that are being quoted.

As for the gabby reference I'm going to assume anyone who complained about that stopped reading before I explained it; the reference was to his ability to affect games and being very much a 1 good game in 4 type of player and that I think he'll go the same way as Gabby and become less effective rather than improving.  I guess if I'd put that as a new paragraph it might have looked less like I was connecting the 2 statements but 2 single line paragraphs looks odd.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mouse Potato on May 21, 2015, 12:07:42 PM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 20, 2015, 11:15:06 PM

Quote from: paul_e on May 20, 2015, 05:45:42 PM

Quote from: aev on May 20, 2015, 04:11:04 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 20, 2015, 02:48:16 PM

If they are prepared to pay £20m for Bolasie then it's fair to say they haven't learnt a thing.

I have watched a fair bit of Bolasie and whilst he is very skillful, his crossing is absolutely awful.

I don't even think he's that skillful, he's very quick and has just enough skill to make the most of that pace.  I agree that his crossing is poor, he's also a poor finisher.  He reminds me a lot of where Gabby was a few years ago, on his day he'll really hurt teams but that day won't be all that regular and as he gets older he'll get worse.

He reminds me a lot of Shaun Wright Phillips when he was at Man. City, Chelsea paid 24m for him which was way OTT as he didn't have the technique for top level games and think Bolaise is the same, decent player he is.

Wise words Master Yoda

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 21, 2015, 12:25:30 PM

Quote from: Monty on May 21, 2015, 11:59:16 AM

Even were he to call time on his career, someone would post something like '5 goals in 6 games for Bent in the North Cambs u-50s league - anyone else think we should get him out of retirement?'

WHAT?! We're scouting from the North Cambs league now? Just goes to show har far this once great club has fallen. We, the great fans of this great club, deserve answers. And fur coats.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 21, 2015, 12:39:12 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 21, 2015, 12:13:04 AM

I think Austin could be more the 'real deal' than Holt was. Holt was 30 or 31 by the time he reached the PL, Austin is about 5 years younger. And his record has stayed impressive as he's moved up the leagues. 1 in 2 at every club at every level.

Yeah I definitely think he's better than Holt. I don't think there are many better first time finishers than Austin in the top flight right now. He just needs one chance. He wasn't great against us in either game to be honest in terms of overall play but he still got 3 very well taken goals. That first one against us in November was a great example of what he's brilliant at. He just took the shot early, hit it very cleanly and Guzan had no chance.

I think for the next few years at least he'll hit around 15-20 a season. We have players who can hold on to the ball. We don't necessarily have to rely on Benteke keeping hold of it whilst everyone else gets up to support. The ball sticks to Grealish for one thing. The beauty of having a decent number 10, is you can get away with having more of a poacher up front. It's why Kane plays so well with Eriksen.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Londonvilla on May 21, 2015, 04:46:05 PM

"Aston Villa ‘set to launch risky transfer move for want-away Tottenham Hotspur striker Emmanuel Adebayor’

http://metro.co.uk/2015/05/21/aston-villa-set-to-launch-risky-transfer-move-for-want-away-tottenham-hotspur-striker-emmanuel-adebayor-5208806/

Aston Villa are reportedly set to launch a risky transfer move for want-away Tottenham Hotspur striker Emmanuel Adebayor.
The Villans are bracing themselves for Christian Benteke’s summer exit and have begun searching for a replacement, according to the Mirror.

Tim Sherwood worked with the Togo international at Spurs and was credited for getting the best out of the striker.
Tottenham have been attempting to get rid of the player but have struggled to find suitors to get him off the books.
He commands high wages but may move to the West Midlands to link up with Tactics Tim."

NOooooooooooooooooo

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on May 21, 2015, 04:47:52 PM

No no please McGrath NOooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: spangley1812 on May 21, 2015, 04:53:16 PM

Quote from: Londonvilla on May 21, 2015, 04:46:05 PM

"Aston Villa ‘set to launch risky transfer move for want-away Tottenham Hotspur striker Emmanuel Adebayor’

http://metro.co.uk/2015/05/21/aston-villa-set-to-launch-risky-transfer-move-for-want-away-tottenham-hotspur-striker-emmanuel-adebayor-5208806/

Aston Villa are reportedly set to launch a risky transfer move for want-away Tottenham Hotspur striker Emmanuel Adebayor.
The Villans are bracing themselves for Christian Benteke’s summer exit and have begun searching for a replacement, according to the Mirror.

Tim Sherwood worked with the Togo international at Spurs and was credited for getting the best out of the striker.
Tottenham have been attempting to get rid of the player but have struggled to find suitors to get him off the books.
He commands high wages but may move to the West Midlands to link up with Tactics Tim."

NOooooooooooooooooo

Is it April the 1st...............

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on May 21, 2015, 04:53:58 PM

It's an easy story and Spurs can't get rid fast enough. It can't be completely ruled out (we've seen it before with Heskey and Holt).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on May 21, 2015, 05:33:40 PM

Fack that for a game of soldiers.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Londonvilla on May 21, 2015, 06:02:21 PM

Quote from: spangley1812 on May 21, 2015, 04:53:16 PM

Quote from: Londonvilla on May 21, 2015, 04:46:05 PM

"Aston Villa ‘set to launch risky transfer move for want-away Tottenham Hotspur striker Emmanuel Adebayor’

http://metro.co.uk/2015/05/21/aston-villa-set-to-launch-risky-transfer-move-for-want-away-tottenham-hotspur-striker-emmanuel-adebayor-5208806/

Aston Villa are reportedly set to launch a risky transfer move for want-away Tottenham Hotspur striker Emmanuel Adebayor.
The Villans are bracing themselves for Christian Benteke’s summer exit and have begun searching for a replacement, according to the Mirror.

Tim Sherwood worked with the Togo international at Spurs and was credited for getting the best out of the striker.
Tottenham have been attempting to get rid of the player but have struggled to find suitors to get him off the books.
He commands high wages but may move to the West Midlands to link up with Tactics Tim."

NOooooooooooooooooo

Is it April the 1st...............

I am note sure I would want him on loan......but us pay a transfer fee and his wages for him to score 4 goals all season,,,,,thinking again how many did Gabby score this year?......thinking again don't want him....

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 21, 2015, 06:07:19 PM

Adebeyor is 31. He's also just been allowed compassionate leave back to Togo after apparently considering suicide, so I think his time at Premiership level is probably over. If that story is indeed true I can't see him being ready to get back into action for next summer.
It would be an awful signing. Good luck to him if he's indeed been suffering but I think it's time for a less competitive league. MLS perhaps.

We've got to be looking for younger and more reliable players.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 21, 2015, 09:27:26 PM

You only have to look at his recent facebook posts to see the bloke isn't in a great mental state so wouldn't touch him with a bargepole.

How about someone like Diego Rolan from Bordeaux? 22, scored 10 + goals this season, has pace.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: warleyboy on May 21, 2015, 09:32:26 PM

Not a fan of Austin, but looking at his stats and goals scored ratio since his non league days, it really is pretty amazing he has continued in all divisions.

I would like villa to bring him in alongside Tekkers, not instead of.
It would show villa mean business.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on May 21, 2015, 11:13:39 PM

Quote from: supertom on May 21, 2015, 06:07:19 PM

We've got to be looking for younger and more reliable players.

I think Sherwood will be looking to make long-term signings so Adebayor's age alone is one big factor why Sherwood probably isn't considering him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 22, 2015, 11:15:54 AM

Quote from: paul_e on May 20, 2015, 05:45:42 PM

Quote from: aev on May 20, 2015, 04:11:04 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 20, 2015, 02:48:16 PM

If they are prepared to pay £20m for Bolasie then it's fair to say they haven't learnt a thing.

I have watched a fair bit of Bolasie and whilst he is very skillful, his crossing is absolutely awful.

I don't even think he's that skillful, he's very quick and has just enough skill to make the most of that pace.  I agree that his crossing is poor, he's also a poor finisher.  He reminds me a lot of where Gabby was a few years ago, on his day he'll really hurt teams but that day won't be all that regular and as he gets older he'll get worse.

I mentioned on here we should go for bolaise about three seasons ago but that's when we could have probably got him for two million and I also said clyne but twenty million is a bloody joke lets hope Liverpool get him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Lyewho??? on May 22, 2015, 04:22:44 PM

Hi all just thought I would put my pennies worth in regarding potential transfers.

Out of the 'Freebies/Out of contact' players I have seen I would like to see

Micah Richards- Maybe useful addition
Tom Cleverley- Been a different player under Sherwood
James Wilson- Good Prospect
Sam Sidney- If stories of his contract being cancelled are true

Players I feel we could attract that maybe useful.

Sam Byram- Looks useful and young enough for a sell on.
Ben Davies- Hasn't been given a chance at spurs, and I feel he is good player.
Chancel Mbemba- Wouldn't mind seeing this lad next too Okore.
Breel Embola- Great young player

Last two do get regular Europa/Champions league, but still I do rate them.

Regards to Benteke being sold, I really want to bloke to stay but I hope we don't stand in his way if he wants to further himself. Instead we need show ambition and maybe he will want to stay a little longer and also guarantee his place in the Belgium team for next year. If we do sell him for £30M then that and any money the chairman or new owners put in will give Sherwood a good war chest.

If it was to total £60M then imagine what 6 good £10M players could do for the team. That with any Freebies would greatly improve us!!!

I hope Villa take advantage of any freebies. Also very happy with Sinclair signing.

UTV

 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on May 22, 2015, 06:31:14 PM

Welcome Lyewho??? There's a few there that I've not heard of - Sidney, Mbemba and Embola. I don't think James Wilson is out of contract but he's been touted as a possible loan target. We've also been linked to Patrick Bamford so the media seem to think we're looking to loan a young forward.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 22, 2015, 08:50:38 PM

Michael Keane, centre back for burnley, is highly rated.  Maybe worth keeping an eye on him Sunday - if he plays - to see whether he would be a good fit.  With Burnley's relegation we might be able to buy him at a reasonable price.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 22, 2015, 11:05:12 PM

Looks like we'll be cancelling the contract for Nicklas Hellenius. What an odd state of affairs that turned out to be. Not Mathieu Berson level odd but odd all the same.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: leylandalbion on May 22, 2015, 11:08:54 PM

Just a kid whcouldnt cope with moving away from home.  Suspect 50% of us would be same

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 22, 2015, 11:55:19 PM

Quote from: leylandalbion on May 22, 2015, 11:08:54 PM

Just a kid whcouldnt cope with moving away from home.  Suspect 50% of us would be same

I watched that Le Tiss doc the other day and the southampton manager between 85-91 said that one of his older brother's was a better player but just couldn't hack the whole footballing lifestyle (including moving away).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Lyewho??? on May 23, 2015, 09:05:53 AM

Quote from: OCD on May 22, 2015, 06:31:14 PM

Welcome Lyewho??? There's a few there that I've not heard of - Sidney, Mbemba and Embola. I don't think James Wilson is out of contract but he's been touted as a possible loan target. We've also been linked to Patrick Bamford so the media seem to think we're looking to loan a young forward.

My mistake I thought Wilson's contract was up. Sidney Sam broke into the Germany team over the last couple of years and then moved to Schalke, he is a good player and if stories are true and his contract has been cancelled then we should be in for him. Anyway I can dream. Hopefully someone from the club vets these forums for supporter opinions etc..... Anyway he is a winger and if you get 5 mins watch this video of him.

 

The other two are just very good young players that have been touted as being future stars. As I said I can only dream, but I feel that our club mould needs to be one like spurs of old, which has seen them snatch good players at a young age and sell on. Even if the player is going to be a hit at Villa, we can still at least get our money back. Crucial if the fair play rules stay the same.

.....back to reality I feel we need to fill the following positions as priority and bolster the rest of the squad with good young players.

GK- Experienced GK is a must.
LB- Get this right as it hasn't worked for years!!!
RB- A young player
CB- long term alongside Okore
ST- Benteke understudy or replacement if he leaves

Oh and players  out...

Guzan- try and cash in
Baker- not pushed himself(hard to say as he's a Worcester lad)
Bennett- not at Prem standard
Wiemann- hasn't stepped up enough
Joe Cole- Would love him as a coach tho....
Richardson- enough said

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 23, 2015, 09:19:45 AM

Ahhh yeah, our scouts love it on here. I didn't think we were ever going to bid for Petr Cech but they must have read how good he was on here.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Alex77 on May 24, 2015, 07:44:11 AM

This morning we've been linked with Micah Richards. He seems to have been around ages but he's only 26.

Can't remember much about him in recent years,  but always thought that he was not a bad player and would certainly add to the attacking style we now have. It's a yes from me.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 24, 2015, 10:09:12 AM

Would take Richards if solely he plays as RB. We're in trouble if he plays at CB as he is very poor in that position.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villan For Life on May 24, 2015, 10:14:00 AM

I know he's a Brummie, but isn't he a Villa fan too? You would hope that counts for something if we are in for him but somehow I doubt it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on May 24, 2015, 10:24:18 AM

Micah Richards would certainly be one to consider. He was born in Birmingham apparently...do we know if he has any connections to Villa?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 24, 2015, 10:26:03 AM

Think his mum gave birth in Brum and then moved up soon after. He grew up in Leeds I'm fairly sure.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on May 24, 2015, 10:30:59 AM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 24, 2015, 10:26:03 AM

Think his mum gave birth in Brum and then moved up soon after. He grew up in Leeds I'm fairly sure.

Yes, he played his junior football in Leeds, for a side that my lad used to play against.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on May 24, 2015, 10:47:10 AM

Has every Spurzzzz player managed by TS been mentioned yet?

There's a few at Hull who will all be linked with Villa should they go down.

Hopefully we won't sign any of them.

I like the look of Sterling and apparently he wants to leave ''The Mighty Reds YNWA'. Let's put a bid in.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dekko on May 24, 2015, 10:52:36 AM

According to the Man City fans I know Micah Richards is pretty much perma-crocked.

He's made 7 starts and 3 appearances off the bench for Fiorentina all season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 24, 2015, 11:02:26 AM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 24, 2015, 10:26:03 AM

Think his mum gave birth in Brum and then moved up soon after. He grew up in Leeds I'm fairly sure.

I think it's even more fleeting than that. I'm sure I read that he was born when his family were just visiting friends or family in Brum.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on May 24, 2015, 11:03:13 AM

Yeah that would be my only concern over him but not sure if he was kept out at Man City by team selection or by injury. Apparently he's played 17 games for Fiorentina this season (according to Wiki).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on May 24, 2015, 11:16:13 AM

Quote from: Villan For Life on May 24, 2015, 10:14:00 AM

I know he's a Brummie, but isn't he a Villa fan too? You would hope that counts for something if we are in for him but somehow I doubt it.

If you're Brummie you are automatically Villa unless some brain cells are missing.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: maidstonevillain on May 24, 2015, 11:16:46 AM

Quote from: dekko on May 24, 2015, 10:52:36 AM

According to the Man City fans I know Micah Richards is pretty much perma-crocked.

He's made 7 starts and 3 appearances off the bench for Fiorentina all season.

Good replacement for Vlaar then.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: warleyboy on May 24, 2015, 11:46:05 AM

Although, he could be a decent player, would it be adding to the list of injury prone defence we currently have?
Not sure he is any better than a fit okore.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on May 24, 2015, 11:59:50 AM

Suggestions in the media that TS may offload Gil this Summer? If so, I don't agree.....Carles has the ability to be a really top top player. Can't understand why he's not at least on the bench?, although I think he'll feature against Burnley.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 24, 2015, 12:03:28 PM

Quote from: dekko on May 24, 2015, 10:52:36 AM

According to the Man City fans I know Micah Richards is pretty much perma-crocked.

He's made 7 starts and 3 appearances off the bench for Fiorentina all season.

Not what we need, especially as our other defenders have their injury problems as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve R on May 24, 2015, 12:06:25 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 24, 2015, 11:02:26 AM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 24, 2015, 10:26:03 AM

Think his mum gave birth in Brum and then moved up soon after. He grew up in Leeds I'm fairly sure.

I think it's even more fleeting than that. I'm sure I read that he was born when his family were just visiting friends or family in Brum.

That's what I heard too. His parents lived in Chapeltown in Leeds and that is where he grew up.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on May 24, 2015, 12:11:05 PM

Quote from: Villafirst on May 24, 2015, 11:59:50 AM

Suggestions in the media that TS may offload Gil this Summer? If so, I don't agree.....Carles has the ability to be a really top top player. Can't understand why he's not at least on the bench?, although I think he'll feature against Burnley.

Clearly something has gone on between the pair.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 24, 2015, 12:15:36 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on May 24, 2015, 12:11:05 PM

Quote from: Villafirst on May 24, 2015, 11:59:50 AM

Suggestions in the media that TS may offload Gil this Summer? If so, I don't agree.....Carles has the ability to be a really top top player. Can't understand why he's not at least on the bench?, although I think he'll feature against Burnley.

Clearly something has gone on between the pair.

Sometimes a manager just doesn't fancy a player.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on May 24, 2015, 12:25:44 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 24, 2015, 12:15:36 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on May 24, 2015, 12:11:05 PM

Quote from: Villafirst on May 24, 2015, 11:59:50 AM

Suggestions in the media that TS may offload Gil this Summer? If so, I don't agree.....Carles has the ability to be a really top top player. Can't understand why he's not at least on the bench?, although I think he'll feature against Burnley.

Clearly something has gone on between the pair.

Sometimes a manager just doesn't fancy a player.

Has he played a single minute under him or even made the bench ?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 24, 2015, 12:26:44 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on May 24, 2015, 12:25:44 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 24, 2015, 12:15:36 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on May 24, 2015, 12:11:05 PM

Quote from: Villafirst on May 24, 2015, 11:59:50 AM

Suggestions in the media that TS may offload Gil this Summer? If so, I don't agree.....Carles has the ability to be a really top top player. Can't understand why he's not at least on the bench?, although I think he'll feature against Burnley.

Clearly something has gone on between the pair.

Sometimes a manager just doesn't fancy a player.

Has he played a single minute under him or even made the bench ?

Yes Stoke. Came on vs Albion late.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on May 24, 2015, 12:28:36 PM

Of course, missed the Stoke game. Not a good team for a fairly small, lightweight midfielder to try and impress against.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Virgil Caine on May 24, 2015, 02:22:57 PM

Can someone confirm that Sky are reporting that Gil and Weimann have been transfer listed and are open for offers ( Weimann £5 m)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 24, 2015, 02:26:02 PM

Quote from: My left Foot on May 24, 2015, 02:22:57 PM

Can someone confirm that Sky are reporting that Gil and Weimann have been transfer listed and are open for offers ( Weimann £5 m)

I heard that. Although nothing about cash.

Although, as it was just Jeff Stelling chattering on about things, so it's not as if this is exactly confirmation of anything.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 24, 2015, 02:27:27 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on May 24, 2015, 12:28:36 PM

Of course, missed the Stoke game. Not a good team for a fairly small, lightweight midfielder to try and impress against.

He unfortunately struggled in the game and got subbed just after. He may well be struggling with the pace of our training too. If Sherwood likes to go all out in training and replicate a Prem pace then it could be affecting Carles. I imagine in Spain training is less frenetic, physical and more about technique.

It does sadly look as if he'll just be one of those "what if" players.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Quiet Lion on May 24, 2015, 02:51:27 PM

Richards is an injury prone Earl Barrett, no thanks

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 24, 2015, 03:51:56 PM

Micah Richards would be an awful signing.

Has done nothing for years now.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 24, 2015, 03:56:33 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 24, 2015, 03:51:56 PM

Micah Richards would be an awful signing.

Has done nothing for years now.

He'd make Ron Vlaar look as reliable as Friedel circa 2004-2012

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on May 24, 2015, 05:06:41 PM

Do we sell Benteke to rebuild with good money or keep him and spend our usual minimal amount? Something has to give at Villa because we can't keep going through this crap each year.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on May 24, 2015, 05:12:40 PM

How did ings, Heaton and trippier look today?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 24, 2015, 05:14:17 PM

Quote from: Newby on May 24, 2015, 05:06:41 PM

Do we sell Benteke to rebuild with good money or keep him and spend our usual minimal amount? Something has to give at Villa because we can't keep going through this crap each year.

Trouble is to a large extent we've stay up because of Bentekes surge in form. As we saw today when he's not quite on it we just look fucked and I'd imagine when he doesn't play, we'd look even worse.

If we got something ludicrous like 50-60 then I'd be more open to the idea, but that's a big IF.
I think we need to keep him and if Randy stays on he's got to put at least 20 million in the kitty. With the TV money we could easily afford that and remain within FFP.
I'd also look to cashing on on Hutton, Zogbia and Gabby whilst we could get a little for them. I'd probably cut our losses on Gil and Sanchez too. Raise an additional 10-12 from that lot and buy 1-2 decent players from that alone.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 24, 2015, 05:15:39 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 24, 2015, 05:12:40 PM

How did ings, Heaton and trippier look today?

Heaton wasn't hugely tested but everything he did he made look comfortable and assured. He impressed me. He never looked worried. I'd be happy to have him or the Brentford guy pushing Brad.

Ings aside from the goal I barely noticed.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on May 24, 2015, 05:28:38 PM

Quote from: supertom on May 24, 2015, 05:14:17 PM

I'd also look to cashing on on Hutton, Zogbia and Gabby whilst we could get a little for them.

Who do you think is going to want to take them? We spent two years trying to give Hutton away, why would somebody pay a transfer fee for him now?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eamonn on May 24, 2015, 05:41:30 PM

What would we get for Weimann - £2m-£3m ?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Gregorys Boy on May 24, 2015, 05:44:09 PM

I actually think Micha Richards would be an improvement of what we've got right now at fall back.  He has power, is good going forward and defending and will get a few goals as well.  I agree he is not what he used to be, but I don't think it would be the worse signing in the world.  We need a bit more experience at the back too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 24, 2015, 05:48:51 PM

Well fairly certain Cissokho, Gil, Weimann all leaving with none of them featuring today, we'd struggle to get 10m for those three though.

Maybe Sanchez aswell if we sign Cleverley full time and also Luongo.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 24, 2015, 06:01:23 PM

Quote from: supertom on May 24, 2015, 05:15:39 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 24, 2015, 05:12:40 PM

How did ings, Heaton and trippier look today?

Heaton wasn't hugely tested but everything he did he made look comfortable and assured. He impressed me. He never looked worried. I'd be happy to have him or the Brentford guy pushing Brad.

Ings aside from the goal I barely noticed.

I thought Heaton was impressive.  Commanding in the air, kicked well and made a couple of good saves.  Not seen much of Burnley so not sure if he's been like that all season. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on May 24, 2015, 06:03:29 PM

Is Luongo gonna make a difference? Genuine question as I don't know much about him. I hope to sign better players to be honest.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on May 24, 2015, 06:15:37 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on May 24, 2015, 06:01:23 PM

Quote from: supertom on May 24, 2015, 05:15:39 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 24, 2015, 05:12:40 PM

How did ings, Heaton and trippier look today?

Heaton wasn't hugely tested but everything he did he made look comfortable and assured. He impressed me. He never looked worried. I'd be happy to have him or the Brentford guy pushing Brad.

Ings aside from the goal I barely noticed.

I thought Heaton was impressive.  Commanding in the air, kicked well and made a couple of good saves.  Not seen much of Burnley so not sure if he's been like that all season. 

He's done enough to get into the England squad

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 24, 2015, 06:52:29 PM

Quote from: Newby on May 24, 2015, 05:06:41 PM

Do we sell Benteke to rebuild with good money or keep him and spend our usual minimal amount? Something has to give at Villa because we can't keep going through this crap each year.

I was thinking this the other day.  A deal with Man City whereby we get Dzeko and Jovetic plus some cash might lift us to the next level.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 24, 2015, 06:59:07 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 24, 2015, 05:12:40 PM

How did ings, Heaton and trippier look today?

All decent although I am not sure any of them should be making our squad. Heaton was good but arguably not that much better than Steer. Ings was alright but aside from the goal and a nice little bit of hold up play he didnt do much, not sure he would fit into our style of play.

Burnley nicked a goal and then shut up shop, they did it very well, no complaints about the result, but the players were disciplined rather than talented imho.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 24, 2015, 07:10:16 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 24, 2015, 06:15:37 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on May 24, 2015, 06:01:23 PM

Quote from: supertom on May 24, 2015, 05:15:39 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 24, 2015, 05:12:40 PM

How did ings, Heaton and trippier look today?

Heaton wasn't hugely tested but everything he did he made look comfortable and assured. He impressed me. He never looked worried. I'd be happy to have him or the Brentford guy pushing Brad.

Ings aside from the goal I barely noticed.

I thought Heaton was impressive.  Commanding in the air, kicked well and made a couple of good saves.  Not seen much of Burnley so not sure if he's been like that all season. 

He's done enough to get into the England squad

Hardly a great yardstick any more is it?  I thought he was good today though. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 24, 2015, 07:13:08 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on May 24, 2015, 06:52:29 PM

Quote from: Newby on May 24, 2015, 05:06:41 PM

Do we sell Benteke to rebuild with good money or keep him and spend our usual minimal amount? Something has to give at Villa because we can't keep going through this crap each year.

I was thinking this the other day.  A deal with Man City whereby we get Dzeko and Jovetic plus some cash might lift us to the next level.

And you think those 2 would pull up trees for The Villa?
No thanks.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on May 24, 2015, 07:14:25 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on May 24, 2015, 06:52:29 PM

Quote from: Newby on May 24, 2015, 05:06:41 PM

Do we sell Benteke to rebuild with good money or keep him and spend our usual minimal amount? Something has to give at Villa because we can't keep going through this crap each year.

I was thinking this the other day.  A deal with Man City whereby we get Dzeko and Jovetic plus some cash might lift us to the next level.

No.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 24, 2015, 07:16:06 PM

Quote from: ChicagoLion on May 24, 2015, 07:13:08 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on May 24, 2015, 06:52:29 PM

Quote from: Newby on May 24, 2015, 05:06:41 PM

Do we sell Benteke to rebuild with good money or keep him and spend our usual minimal amount? Something has to give at Villa because we can't keep going through this crap each year.

I was thinking this the other day.  A deal with Man City whereby we get Dzeko and Jovetic plus some cash might lift us to the next level.

And you think those 2 would pull up trees for The Villa?
No thanks.

Not to mention the Man City wages they are doubtless on. Thats the rub for clubs that throw money at players, when it comes time to shift them its not so easy.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on May 24, 2015, 07:21:32 PM

I think it's an interesting point though. Sell Benteke to say, Arsenal and ask for say, Jenkinson and perhaps someone else as part of the deal.  It would strengthen us to a degree but losing our main striker would be a huge blow.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: CJ on May 24, 2015, 07:24:37 PM

If we could pick Burnley's pocket as they go down I wouldn't say no to Heaton, Trippier and Shackell - even though he's the wrong side of 30 Shackell didn't miss a ball today and kept them well organised at the back

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: walsall villain on May 24, 2015, 07:29:10 PM

Quote from: Newby on May 24, 2015, 07:21:32 PM

I think it's an interesting point though. Sell Benteke to say, Arsenal and ask for say, Jenkinson and perhaps someone else as part of the deal.  It would strengthen us to a degree but losing our main striker would be a huge blow.

Selling your best player didn't work out well for Liverpool or Spurs so I feel sure the club will do their very best to keep him for another year or two. Until I hear that Benteke has actually stated that he wants to leave I will ignore the media gossip and the gloomy predictions on here.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 24, 2015, 07:31:10 PM

I'd imagine Heaton will get MOTM for today. Looked very good. Goal aside, Ings did nothing. Hardly his fault though as Burnley rarely left their own half.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: warleyboy on May 24, 2015, 07:33:11 PM

Be a hard one to take, but watching the game today, backwards passing, sideways passing, to bacuna, shit cross into tekkers, again and again and again..

We looking one dimensional last couple of games, maybe selling benteke if we could get 30 mil plus a maybe a player or a loan for the season may not be a bad idea.

It may make us stronger over the pitch, but we gotta find more options.

I'd love to see us grab Austin to play alongside tekkers. You never know.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on May 24, 2015, 08:14:36 PM

If we're looking at keepers, I'd like to see us go for Tim Kruhl. Mike Ashley would sell.
Failing that, definitely Heaton.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on May 24, 2015, 08:21:02 PM

Heaton is a very good shout. He was superb today and very dominant in the area. Very sued footed keeper. I reckon £5M would get him to B6.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 24, 2015, 09:47:33 PM

Irrespective of how next week goes the summer is going to be quite the whirlwind of activity over at B6. It's going to be like a revolving door there.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villan from luton on May 24, 2015, 09:51:41 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on May 24, 2015, 06:59:07 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 24, 2015, 05:12:40 PM

How did ings, Heaton and trippier look today?

All decent although I am not sure any of them should be making our squad. Heaton was good but arguably not that much better than Steer. Ings was alright but aside from the goal and a nice little bit of hold up play he didnt do much, not sure he would fit into our style of play.

Burnley nicked a goal and then shut up shop, they did it very well, no complaints about the result, but the players were disciplined rather than talented imho.

I was impressed with Heaton, looks a good keeper. Was very impressed with the centre half they got from Man Ure, Keane, number 25 I think. He was superb. Trippier is a very competent right back

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on May 24, 2015, 09:54:06 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 24, 2015, 09:47:33 PM

Irrespective of how next week goes the summer is going to be quite the whirlwind of activity over at B6. It's going to be like a revolving door there.

It needs to be. We can't keep going through this shit.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 24, 2015, 09:57:21 PM

Quote from: Newby on May 24, 2015, 09:54:06 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 24, 2015, 09:47:33 PM

Irrespective of how next week goes the summer is going to be quite the whirlwind of activity over at B6. It's going to be like a revolving door there.

It needs to be. We can't keep going through this shit.

Yep. There are only a few certainties and then the rest of the spots are simply up for grabs. A lot of players can't raise their games for the mundane fixtures and if we don't sort that we'll be back where we are right now. Let's enjoy next week, pray for a win, and then sit glued to the media for happenings at Villa Park. Because a lot is going to go on.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OzVilla on May 24, 2015, 10:01:19 PM

Unless of course we are paralyzed by takeover talks again or no one comes in so Randy decides to muddle through again. I didn't think last Summer would turn like it did but it did.

I've no faith left in Lerner I'm afraid.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on May 24, 2015, 10:04:42 PM

Heston was the main reason we didn't win today.  A very assured display.  Also their centre back pairing were very good.  I was particularly impressed with the lad Michael Kane.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villan from luton on May 24, 2015, 10:08:29 PM

Quote from: dave shelley on May 24, 2015, 10:04:42 PM

Heston was the main reason we didn't win today.  A very assured display.  Also their centre back pairing were very good.  I was particularly impressed with the lad Michael Kane.

Just said that on the post match thread, thought Keane was superb.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on May 24, 2015, 10:24:47 PM

I'd definitely go for Heaton, most impressive

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 24, 2015, 10:26:15 PM

Quote from: walsall villain on May 24, 2015, 07:29:10 PM

Quote from: Newby on May 24, 2015, 07:21:32 PM

I think it's an interesting point though. Sell Benteke to say, Arsenal and ask for say, Jenkinson and perhaps someone else as part of the deal.  It would strengthen us to a degree but losing our main striker would be a huge blow.

Selling your best player didn't work out well for Liverpool or Spurs so I feel sure the club will do their very best to keep him for another year or two. Until I hear that Benteke has actually stated that he wants to leave I will ignore the media gossip and the gloomy predictions on here.

Agreed, they both wasted the money they were given.  However I think our circumstance is different to theirs.  They spread the money across lots of 'seven out of ten' players, however their squads were already full of similar quality players so the net gain to the first 11 was minimal.  Add three quality players to our side however and the improvement could be much bigger.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on May 24, 2015, 10:45:21 PM

The problem we have got is the centre backs need a dominant keeper behind them, and full backs that can actually defend! Richardson and Bacuna are nowhere near strong enough to give us a solid footing. Given and Steer and neither good enough to keep the back 4 sorted. Guzan is much better at it than them but his dip in form has been highlighted with his mistake at City and then being dropped. The last couple of games we seem to have almost run ourselves into the ground and a little bit of the energy has gone from the middle of the park, but then how much of that is not wanting to be booked or injured before next week we will never know. It is a pretty tough one to not mentally switch to next week.

I would try and get 2 full backs, a centre half and a keeper this summer if I was Sherwood, plus a midfielder and a striker.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ROBBO on May 24, 2015, 11:47:28 PM

There only a handful of players that are certainties to be at Villa Park next season thats how poor a squad we have, too many players that have too many weaknesses. It appears only Grealish knows how to cross a ball it seems which is strange because these are proffessional footballers who are paid lots of money, you would think that being able to put a decent cross in would be a pre-requisite. Gabby has to go along with Weimann and a few more hangers on.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on May 24, 2015, 11:47:55 PM

This has been our worst season since 87/88, marginally beating the record of last season by 4 goals.

Regardless of what happens next Saturday we urgently need to rid our club of numerous individuals who clearly arent good enough for this club.

Paul Lambert was one that needed to go but a load of others need to follow.

Summer business will depend on Benteke, I cant see us being able to keep Champions League clubs away from him. Considering the wages being offered to bog standard midfielders like Milner there really isnt a hope of Benteke staying with us.

Assuming he goes, I expect we will be linked to the likes of Austin, Deeney, Remy up front. All good players for sure but not at Benteke's level.

The squad needs leaders, full backs, right sided centre half. Sherwood will be looking at more mobile players which is no harm but I can only see a season of struggle ahead again.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 24, 2015, 11:49:01 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 24, 2015, 10:45:21 PM

The problem we have got is the centre backs need a dominant keeper behind them, and full backs that can actually defend! Richardson and Bacuna are nowhere near strong enough to give us a solid footing. Given and Steer and neither good enough to keep the back 4 sorted. Guzan is much better at it than them but his dip in form has been highlighted with his mistake at City and then being dropped. The last couple of games we seem to have almost run ourselves into the ground and a little bit of the energy has gone from the middle of the park, but then how much of that is not wanting to be booked or injured before next week we will never know. It is a pretty tough one to not mentally switch to next week.

I would try and get 2 full backs, a centre back and a keeper this summer if I was Sherwood, plus a midfielder and a striker.

Interesting to see Leicester's defence improve over the last couple of months since Huth went there on loan.  Could he maybe be a shout in the summer?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 25, 2015, 12:06:03 AM

Quote from: ROBBO on May 24, 2015, 11:47:28 PM

There only a handful of players that are certainties to be at Villa Park next season thats how poor a squad we have, too many players that have too many weaknesses. It appears only Grealish knows how to cross a ball it seems which is strange because these are proffessional footballers who are paid lots of money, you would think that being able to put a decent cross in would be a pre-requisite. Gabby has to go along with Weimann and a few more hangers on.

Current senior squad:

GK - Guzan, Given, Steer
RB - Bacuna, Hutton, Lowton
LB - Cissokho, Richardson, Bennett
CB - Vlaar, Okore, Clark, Baker, Senderos
DM - Westwood, Sanchez
CM - Delph, Cleverley, Gardner
AM - Grealish, Cole, Gil
W  - Sinclair, N'Zogbia
ST - Benteke, Agbonlahor, Weimann

That's obviously assuming Vlaar and Benteke stay and Cleverley signs.  Who goes and who stays?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on May 25, 2015, 12:16:14 AM

We have so much work to do. I imagine Sherwood now sees the enormity of the job ahead this summer. So much crap to get rid of. Bennett, Wiemann, Luna, Sylla, Richardson, Helenius, Agbonlahor, Given/Guzan, Tonev, Cole all out with Bent, Herd, Stevens, possibly Vlaar. Cleverly? Who knows? 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on May 25, 2015, 02:08:54 AM

What did Lowton do wrong that has seen him dropped like a stone? Did well at left back then not picked at all. Seems very harsh.

On the squad above.... keep, sell, shrug scale....

GK - Guzan, Given, Steer......   Keep, Sell, Sell
RB - Bacuna, Hutton, Lowton......  Keep, Sell, Shrug
LB - Cissokho, Richardson, Bennett.......  Sell, Sell, Shrug
CB - Vlaar, Okore, Clark, Baker, Senderos...... Shrug, Keep, Keep, Keep, Sell
DM - Westwood, Sanchez.......  Keep, Sell
CM - Delph, Cleverley, Gardner........ Keep, Shrug, Keep
AM - Grealish, Cole, Gil.........   Keep, Shrug, Sell (sadly)
W  - Sinclair, N'Zogbia.....    Keep, Sell
ST - Benteke, Agbonlahor, Weimann........ Keep, sell, sell


Might not be left with much, but we need to be pretty ruthless, and get in some players who will perform week in week out, not 8-10 times a season when it suits them.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on May 25, 2015, 02:33:42 AM

We need to get started on our transfer business as early as possible if a big overhaul is going to be on the way. Like, if it's legal, we should be talking with Swindon right now about Luongo if we actually want him as is rumoured.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 25, 2015, 04:08:32 AM

Quote from: passitsideways on May 25, 2015, 02:33:42 AM

We need to get started on our transfer business as early as possible if a big overhaul is going to be on the way. Like, if it's legal, we should be talking with Swindon right now about Luongo if we actually want him as is rumoured.

Sherwood has already suggested that he wants most, if not all players in prior to pre-season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on May 25, 2015, 06:59:17 AM

Bin dippers are going to use 33 year old no mark Ricky Lambert as 'bait' in their alleged bid for Benteke. That should seal it then. Wankers.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on May 25, 2015, 07:36:56 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on May 25, 2015, 06:59:17 AM

Bin dippers are going to use 33 year old no mark Ricky Lambert as 'bait' in their alleged bid for Benteke. That should seal it then. Wankers.

It sounds as though that journalist has failed to spot we have a new manager

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Alex77 on May 25, 2015, 08:00:39 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on May 25, 2015, 06:59:17 AM

Bin dippers are going to use 33 year old no mark Ricky Lambert as 'bait' in their alleged bid for Benteke. That should seal it then. Wankers.

what a ridiculous story!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 25, 2015, 08:09:39 AM

I've got to say that's one of the most stupid stories I've ever seen.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Damo70 on May 25, 2015, 08:13:58 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on May 25, 2015, 06:59:17 AM

Bin dippers are going to use 33 year old no mark Ricky Lambert as 'bait' in their alleged bid for Benteke. That should seal it then. Wankers.

Presumably the deal is either 30 million cash or Lambert and 29.5 million.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ROBBO on May 25, 2015, 08:42:02 AM

Why would Benteke want to go to Liverpool how long has it been since they were a top force? that leaves Chelsea, Arsenal, Man u and Man City, style of play would rule out Arsenal and as for the rest Benteke wouldn't be guaranteed to play every week which is no good for his international career. He will stay with us unless a Real Madrid offer stupid money.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on May 25, 2015, 08:50:13 AM

I could see Benteke going to PSG after this season -  Ibrahimovic is getting on a bit and tends to move on after he's helped a club win their domestic league a couple of times.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on May 25, 2015, 08:51:00 AM

Looks pretty likely we will get Massimo Luongo. Swindon's chairman said he could be sold next week and when asked about a trio of clubs (villa, qpr and another) he said they wouldn't be far wrong.

I'd be quite excited by this, his Australia performances have been very good.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on May 25, 2015, 08:51:36 AM

United would be a good fit for Benteke if RVP and that geezer they paid a million pounds a week to in return for  four goals both leave. Having said that, I'd hate to see him there.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on May 25, 2015, 09:33:52 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 25, 2015, 08:09:39 AM

I've got to say that's one of the most stupid stories I've ever seen.

It's in The Mirror i believe, which says all you need to know.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: citizenDJ on May 25, 2015, 09:34:41 AM

I think Benteke could do pretty well at almost any team in Europe really, but I think Man Utd seem the most obvious fit for him at the moment, going on how Van Gaal seems to be shaping the team up. Should cost them £40 million though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on May 25, 2015, 09:39:42 AM

yes but totally selfishly - and irrationally - I'd rather he went abroad so that we don't have to witness him rampaging through most PL defences week in week out in a red shirt, or, heaven forbid, a blue one.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Gerrin on May 25, 2015, 09:50:41 AM

Massimo Luongo looks a good prospect at only 22. I'd imagine he's a straight replacement for Cleverly.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on May 25, 2015, 09:57:22 AM

I'd be happy w Sanchez as back up to Westwood and Gardner and luongo as back up to delph and cleverly. But if TC goes I'd want a better and more proven replacement

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 25, 2015, 09:58:18 AM

I hate Man U, but they have a decent pedigree, what I would annoy me more was if he went to Spurs or Liverpool.

The constant Liverpool connection is a strange one as Rodgers stubbornly refuses to play big strikers.  He has had Lambert and Balotelli this season yet he has preferred to play Sterling there.  I appreciate Benteke has more to his game than those players but some sort of tactical flexibility would surely have been better than Sterling up-front.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pbavfckuwait on May 25, 2015, 10:17:31 AM

The only thing with Benteke to Liverpool, is I honestly think we could push them to 40 or 45 mill, if Sterling goes they are going to be desperate to sign a name that can hit the ground running, so we could definitely get a premium.
To be honest if he does go and he is not playing in Claret and Blue for us, I really do not care where he goes to, as long as we get top dollar for him.
If he stays we need to get him better support, we can not keep hoping he pulls us over the line on his own all the time.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on May 25, 2015, 10:26:06 AM

absolutely - if he hadn't found his best form recently we would now be looking forward to the Championship

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: walsall villain on May 25, 2015, 10:32:20 AM

Quote from: Newby on May 24, 2015, 09:54:06 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 24, 2015, 09:47:33 PM

Irrespective of how next week goes the summer is going to be quite the whirlwind of activity over at B6. It's going to be like a revolving door there.

It needs to be. We can't keep going through this shit.

It's easier to list those I'd want to keep than the long list I don't. For a starter just Benteke and Sinclair up front, the rest can go. Needs proper investment and wise spending as we all know.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: bob on May 25, 2015, 10:56:55 AM

I think we should buy some good players and sell some of our bad ones.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on May 25, 2015, 11:04:51 AM

Quote from: bob on May 25, 2015, 10:56:55 AM

I think we should buy some good players and sell some of our bad ones.

Bob, this is a profound statement. I totally and utterly agree with you 😁

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on May 25, 2015, 11:06:31 AM

Quote from: bob on May 25, 2015, 10:56:55 AM

I think we should buy some good players and sell some of our bad ones.

I reckon you might be onto something there.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on May 25, 2015, 11:17:18 AM

Quote from: walsall villain on May 25, 2015, 10:32:20 AM

Quote from: Newby on May 24, 2015, 09:54:06 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 24, 2015, 09:47:33 PM

Irrespective of how next week goes the summer is going to be quite the whirlwind of activity over at B6. It's going to be like a revolving door there.

It needs to be. We can't keep going through this shit.

It's easier to list those I'd want to keep than the long list I don't. For a starter just Benteke and Sinclair up front, the rest can go. Needs proper investment and wise spending as we all know.

Agreed Walsall, it just shows us the enormity of the task ahead for Tim Sherwood. I hope he's up for that task and has the nous and ability to play the market. We need so many players out and sooo many positions covering. That said, unless we sign freebies like bosman's I'm not sure I'd want to take the cheap and cheerful route. We are in a position like this because we've taken THAT route already. If we have, say £15mill to spend would we be better to try to bring in three £5m quality players? Simplistic I know, but the gambling with cheap players also doesn't seem to work.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 25, 2015, 11:25:52 AM

I agree Newby.  We do not have the money to make wholesale changes so need prioritise signings.  If we spread the money too thin we'll just end up with a bigger squad, but one still full of average players.

I think we need to give certain players the opportunity to improve as, like Clark has shown, age/experience can improve players.  In that category I'd include Bacuna, Baker, Bennet, Westwood, Sanchez, Gil - all players which have shown potential and have age on their side.  Nzogbia, Cissokko, Richardson, Senderos and Weimmann (still young but needs a fresh start) have probably peaked and should be sold if we can find offers.

Is Joe Cole out of contract?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on May 25, 2015, 11:29:43 AM

Quote from: bob on May 25, 2015, 10:56:55 AM

I think we should buy some good players and sell some of our bad ones.

What?!?!? That goes against everything we've done in the least 5 years. Are you some kind of mad man?!?!?!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on May 25, 2015, 12:15:33 PM

Quote from: bob on May 25, 2015, 10:56:55 AM

I think we should buy some good players and sell some of our bad ones.

Bob for manager. He could be the new Ads

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on May 25, 2015, 12:30:43 PM

He is better than Ads.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on May 25, 2015, 12:39:59 PM

Winning the cup could be the difference between keeping or losing our better players. Win and we build on that success. Lose and it might be all change.

Definitive stuff, eh.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 25, 2015, 12:50:32 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on May 25, 2015, 12:15:33 PM

Quote from: bob on May 25, 2015, 10:56:55 AM

I think we should buy some good players and sell some of our bad ones.

Bob for manager. He could be the new Ads

The biggest compliment I could pay him is that I thought he was Darren.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Eckybloke on May 25, 2015, 12:58:40 PM

Quote from: brian green on May 25, 2015, 12:30:43 PM

He is better than Ads.

Was Ads all that bad in hindsight?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john2710 on May 25, 2015, 01:00:04 PM

Whilst I can see Benteke leaving, he'll go to wherever offers the best wages. A swap with Lambert is just ridiculous, if they want we'll take Ballotelli too! He's got to be worth £30m+.

We need 4-5 new players who are better than what we have in the first 11.
Assuming Benteke & Cleverley go, along with Weimann, Lowton, Cissohko, Cole & Gil.
Others who could go are Given / Guzan, Vlar, Richardson & Senderos

We need a first choice left back, right back, central defender, right side midfield, defensive midfield & centre forward.

We finished where we did because we couldn't beat the likes of Burnley, QPR, Sunderland, Stoke, Palace, Newcastle at home. Even those we did win, few of them were comfortable.

My concern is that Sherwood has no track record in the transfer market, he may be brilliant but he may also be shite. It will be interesting to see what he does.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 25, 2015, 02:44:06 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on May 25, 2015, 06:59:17 AM

Bin dippers are going to use 33 year old no mark Ricky Lambert as 'bait' in their alleged bid for Benteke. That should seal it then. Wankers.

I imagine like the crew on the bridge of the Enterprise the board are bracing themselves for the fax ring and that magnificent offer to come through. I'll only believe it though if they offer us Lambert and £5m for Benteke and Delph. Then I will know they are serious.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Hoppo on May 25, 2015, 02:55:42 PM

According to Telegraph we have bid 3.5 mill for Ben Gladwin and Massimo Luongo from Swindon both midfielders.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on May 25, 2015, 03:26:18 PM

Swindon Chairman was quoted as saying both could move next week. Both highly rated.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Hoppo on May 25, 2015, 03:30:06 PM

By all accounts Gladwin was always Sherwood's top target not Luongo. He looks versatile and can even play left back!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on May 25, 2015, 03:42:41 PM

Quote from: Eckybloke on May 25, 2015, 12:58:40 PM

Quote from: brian green on May 25, 2015, 12:30:43 PM

He is better than Ads.

Was Ads all that bad in hindsight?

Well it's not that tactically he was clueless and had almost no ability even to motivate a cuckoo clock to call at mid day it was the way he manipulated his contract to walk away with £35M in compensation that pisses me off about him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: barrysleftfoot on May 25, 2015, 03:43:59 PM

 Have a word with your relative Percy.Redmond is getting better and better every time i see him, and i think can develop into this inside forward player we are after who can score goals.

  Whatever our budget is in the summer, we desperately need someone, apart from CB to score goals.Gabby, Weimann, N'Zog, Grealish, Sinclair.........what 10 goals?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on May 25, 2015, 03:46:35 PM

No aversion to getting in talented kids from league 1. But are either better than Daniel Johnson?

I was hoping boro would win so we could buy redmond.

If my spellcheck had changed 'boro' to 'biro' one more time the phone was out the window

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 25, 2015, 04:32:21 PM

Why would Benteke want to sign for the 'The Mighty Reds YNWA'? I think his next move will include CL.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on May 25, 2015, 04:44:20 PM

Quote from: olaftab on May 25, 2015, 03:42:41 PM

Quote from: Eckybloke on May 25, 2015, 12:58:40 PM

Quote from: brian green on May 25, 2015, 12:30:43 PM

He is better than Ads.

Was Ads all that bad in hindsight?

Well it's not that tactically he was clueless and had almost no ability even to motivate a cuckoo clock to call at mid day it was the way he manipulated his contract to walk away with £35M in compensation that pisses me off about him.

The affair with Doug's tea lady soured his tenure here

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Jon Crofts on May 25, 2015, 05:29:01 PM

If the answer is Ricky Lambert then it's a stupid question.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 25, 2015, 05:45:30 PM

I'm beginning to think that if the answer is anybody with Lambert as a surname then it's a guaranteed stupid question.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on May 25, 2015, 05:52:45 PM

Might Benteke to Liverpool  be more realistic if Klopp gets the gig? If I were the owners I wouldn't trust Rodgers with a dime at the moment; his transfer business last summer was mainly appalling.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: spangley1812 on May 25, 2015, 05:56:09 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on May 25, 2015, 05:52:45 PM

Might Benteke to Liverpool  be more realistic if Klopp gets the gig? If I were the owners I wouldn't trust Rodgers with a dime at the moment; his transfer business last summer was mainly appalling.

He didn't buy the players this fabled "transfer committee" did and the same thing happens @ Man City and Spurs

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on May 25, 2015, 05:57:37 PM

I stand corrected thanks. But basically I still wouldn't want that pseudo intellectual managing my club. Which fortunately, he isn't.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 25, 2015, 06:33:46 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on May 25, 2015, 05:52:45 PM

Might Benteke to Liverpool  be more realistic if Klopp gets the gig? If I were the owners I wouldn't trust Rodgers with a dime at the moment; his transfer business last summer was mainly appalling.

This has happened before and recently  Spuds with the Bale cash and 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' with Suarez.
So the idea that we sell Benteke and improve is a bit of a stretch.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on May 25, 2015, 06:43:15 PM

Rickie Lambert is a really good player, but will go to either one of the promoted sides or somewhere like Newcastle where he will do really well. I can't see Sherwood being interested.

What is interesting is us going in for 2 midfielders straight away. Both 22, both highly rated. We need more legs to be able to rotate so happy if they come off. Interesting if and full backs arrive or a Bid for the Burnley keeper goes in.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: richard moore on May 25, 2015, 06:52:50 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on May 25, 2015, 05:57:37 PM

I stand corrected thanks. But basically I still wouldn't want that pseudo intellectual managing my club. Which fortunately, he isn't.

Is Pat Nevin moving into management then?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 25, 2015, 06:56:42 PM

Oi, no slagging off ex-Clyde players... with the dishonourable exception of Steve Evans.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: danno on May 25, 2015, 06:59:05 PM

Quote from: ChicagoLion on May 25, 2015, 06:33:46 PM

So the idea that we sell Benteke and improve is a bit of a stretch.

Ten years ago Everton sold their best player (Rooney) and improved the team overall with the proceeds.

Southampton sold three of their best players last year, and spent the money wisely.

It can be done.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 25, 2015, 07:03:15 PM

Of course it can be done. We won the European Cup within a few years of selling off a player for a British record transfer fee.

I'd still rather not risk it though. For every Withe replacing Gray type success there are countless replacing Suarez with Balotelli style downgrades.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 25, 2015, 07:17:14 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 25, 2015, 06:43:15 PM

Rickie Lambert is a really good player, but will go to either one of the promoted sides or somewhere like Newcastle where he will do really well. I can't see Sherwood being interested.

What is interesting is us going in for 2 midfielders straight away. Both 22, both highly rated. We need more legs to be able to rotate so happy if they come off. Interesting if and full backs arrive or a Bid for the Burnley keeper goes in.

It's pure speculation at this stage, but signing those two will be OK if we sign Cleverley as well.  We've all already seen what happens when you fill a Premier League team with young players from the lower divisions and I don't want to see that again.  We need better players than we currently have in a number of positions.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on May 25, 2015, 07:20:16 PM

I hope the Adebayour rumours go away.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 25, 2015, 07:23:09 PM

Quote from: Hoppo on May 25, 2015, 03:30:06 PM

By all accounts Gladwin was always Sherwood's top target not Luongo. He looks versatile and can even play left back!

I'd be very surprised if that was true. From what I've read, Gladwin is still very green and has lots to learn where as Luongo is absolutely ready to make a step up. It would appear out bid is £3m for Luongo and £500k for Gladwin. We may as well give up though as West Brasil are interested too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 25, 2015, 07:34:02 PM

Quote from: spangley1812 on May 25, 2015, 05:56:09 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on May 25, 2015, 05:52:45 PM

Might Benteke to Liverpool  be more realistic if Klopp gets the gig? If I were the owners I wouldn't trust Rodgers with a dime at the moment; his transfer business last summer was mainly appalling.

He didn't buy the players this fabled "transfer committee" did and the same thing happens @ Man City and Spurs

He was part of that committee though, and I thought I read that his vote was worth more, so cannot be excluded himself from criticism.  ...Our new scout was also part of the committee so we cannot be too smug.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 25, 2015, 07:40:15 PM

Quote from: ChicagoLion on May 25, 2015, 06:33:46 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on May 25, 2015, 05:52:45 PM

Might Benteke to Liverpool  be more realistic if Klopp gets the gig? If I were the owners I wouldn't trust Rodgers with a dime at the moment; his transfer business last summer was mainly appalling.

This has happened before and recently  Spuds with the Bale cash and 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' with Suarez.
So the idea that we sell Benteke and improve is a bit of a stretch.

My choice would be to keep him, however I think we can improve if we do have to sell.  There is more room for improvement in our squad compared to spurs and Liverpool.  Southampton are a better comparable in my opinion as they, like us, need to sell players to make significant moves in the transfer market.  Spurs and, less so, liverpool can afford to spend 40m without too much worry.  We cannot.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on May 25, 2015, 08:25:42 PM

ideally, we would  keep  Benteke and further signal our intent with a 40m transfer budget, with or without a new owner.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on May 25, 2015, 08:32:00 PM

Did anyone else like me, get the impression that Tom Cleveley's applause to the crowd when substituted yesterday had the air of bye bye about it?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Karlos96 on May 25, 2015, 08:33:18 PM

Quote from: dave shelley on May 25, 2015, 08:32:00 PM

Did anyone else like me, get the impression that Tom Cleveley's applause to the crowd when substituted yesterday had the air of bye bye about it?

I thought exactly the same.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 25, 2015, 08:38:22 PM

Quote from: Karlos96 on May 25, 2015, 08:33:18 PM

Quote from: dave shelley on May 25, 2015, 08:32:00 PM

Did anyone else like me, get the impression that Tom Cleveley's applause to the crowd when substituted yesterday had the air of bye bye about it?

I thought exactly the same.

I would be disappointed. He has just started to click with us. Still if he wants to take the step down to Everton because he likes Martinez then fair enough.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 25, 2015, 08:49:02 PM

Quote from: Karlos96 on May 25, 2015, 08:33:18 PM

Quote from: dave shelley on May 25, 2015, 08:32:00 PM

Did anyone else like me, get the impression that Tom Cleveley's applause to the crowd when substituted yesterday had the air of bye bye about it?

I thought exactly the same.

Maybe it was muted because he hates to lose and didn't think losing two straight needed the full Olof. In fact the whole thing looked muted and would have been a lot different had we won.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on May 25, 2015, 08:50:48 PM

I suspect he's as unsure as us at this stage so probably just gave a good clap to the fans anyway, we can all read too much into these scenarios.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LukeJames on May 25, 2015, 08:58:35 PM

I thought it was just your typical player being substituted, jogging off the pitch, polite applause, nothing too see here.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on May 25, 2015, 09:18:26 PM

The thought didn't even cross my mind tbh...he's playing for us in the FA Cup Final so if anything it was a "see you all next week clap".

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on May 25, 2015, 09:25:33 PM

The first transfer window that I have had any enthusiasm about for a while. The past few years I've been more preoccupied with the ownership and management issues.

My gut feeling is that even with a limited budget Sherwood will buy well. You just know that the main criteria for signings will be hunger, respect and probably confidence in their own abilities.

His desire to balance the squad and play players in their best position will also be a novelty for us.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on May 25, 2015, 09:26:43 PM

I don't think so...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on May 25, 2015, 09:31:17 PM

We have so much work to do over the summer it's crazy.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on May 25, 2015, 09:32:25 PM

Quote from: dave shelley on May 25, 2015, 09:26:43 PM

I don't think so...

Which bit Dave? Or all?!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on May 25, 2015, 09:35:22 PM

Sorry for the ambiguity, I think he's off.  There was just something about the way he did it that said to me it was a farewell gesture.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on May 25, 2015, 09:40:43 PM

Quote from: dave shelley on May 25, 2015, 09:35:22 PM

Sorry for the ambiguity, I think he's off.  There was just something about the way he did it that said to me it was a farewell gesture.

Ah thought it was a reply to what I'd just written.

I hope you are wrong, but do also think he'll get more tempting offers.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on May 25, 2015, 09:47:27 PM

I hope I'm wrong too, it would be nice.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: warleyboy on May 26, 2015, 01:14:48 AM

http://footballleagueworld.co.uk/newcastle-and-aston-villa-eyeing-shock-move-for-championship-winger/?

Newcastle and Aston Villa eyeing shock move for Championship winger
BY CHARLIE FIRTH ⋅ MAY 25, 2015 ⋅ POST A COMMENT
FILED UNDER  ASTON VILLA, NEWCASTLE UNITED, READING, TARIQUE FOSU
Premier League sides Newcastle and Aston Villa are eyeing shock moves for Reading winger Tarique Fosu, according to Get Reading.

Fosu is a target for Villa and Newcastle United
Fosu is a target for Villa and Newcastle United
The 19-year-old is a star in the making at Reading and looks set to burst into the first team next season, as the Royals look to recover from a torrid Championship season.

He came on for fellow academy product Jack Stacey in the first half of the Royals’ final games against Derby County, after Stacey picked up a knock.

The youngster was extremely impressive, and had some very decent attempts on goal, showing pace, skill and maturity on the ball.

Reading will look the keep hold of one of their brightest talents as they prepare to blood a few youngsters into their squad for next year, such as Dominic Samuel and Jack Stacey.

Newcastle and Aston Villa are eyeing up the youngster, but the lack of first team football may put Fosu off.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on May 26, 2015, 01:32:30 AM

Press are reporting Jedinak at Palace is available. Limited a player as he is, he always impresses me with how well he holds a midfield together. Also Trippier is reportedly off to Spurs for 3.5 million, which is incredibly cheap, but also must mean that Walker is not flavour of the month. I would love Walker back here.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on May 26, 2015, 02:03:56 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 25, 2015, 06:43:15 PM

Rickie Lambert is a really good player

Really good? He's decent at best but he's getting on now and would be only useful for the odd 20 minutes here and there.

I wouldn't mind us getting Hull's striker N'Doye and shipping out Weimann/Gabby (both would be nice) if we are looking at cheap bargins 14/5 since Feb isn't bad at all.

If Newcastle went down you'd have to be looking at Cisse maybe still get in a bid. 22/11 this season isn't to shabby.
         
      Apps/Goals
Gabby 31/6 Get rid
Weimann 33/4 ^

The guy is on over 50K a week and turns up and actually earns his once every 3/4 months, enough is enough.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on May 26, 2015, 02:18:15 AM

Fail.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on May 26, 2015, 05:24:50 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on May 25, 2015, 09:31:17 PM

We have so much work to do over the summer it's crazy.

It's not undoable, but we do need to sort the defence out, get a new keeper in, but cleverly or replace him, quite possibly replace benteke and in any event get other reliable goal scorers in

And all with a manager who's never bought a player and an uncertain ownership situation

I don't mind being linked w Swindon players but I hope we're also looking at more established players

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OzVilla on May 26, 2015, 06:23:51 AM

My fear is that a suitable offer for Randy to accept doesn't eventuate and we suffer the exact same paralysis that we did last Summer.  Lerner has some long term form in the procrastination department.

 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on May 26, 2015, 07:04:23 AM

true, but if the seemingly inevitable happens, and Benteke goes, with the £30-40m fee for him, a few million for the peripherals, and Randy's usual £15m, at least there is a chance of rebuilding the squad and becoming more competitive.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ROBBO on May 26, 2015, 07:42:02 AM

Would any new owner prepared to spend to strengthen take a chance on a manager who has done well in the short term but has no experience in buying players, if you were that owner spending say 60 million would you want someone with more experience?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on May 26, 2015, 08:28:59 AM

I might want a director of football . .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: CJ on May 26, 2015, 09:42:45 AM

Looks as though we're starting the summer transfer season in the bargain basement with the Torygraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11628315/Aston-Villa-launch-3.5m-raid-for-Swindon-pair.html) reporting Sherwood's tabled a bid for Swindon midfielders Gladwin & Luongo. Don't know anything about them but I did hope we'd be setting our sights higher than League 1 players, and focusing on defenders rather than more midfielders. Early days of course

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 26, 2015, 09:52:18 AM

Quote from: CJ on May 26, 2015, 09:42:45 AM

Looks as though we're starting the summer transfer season in the bargain basement with the Torygraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11628315/Aston-Villa-launch-3.5m-raid-for-Swindon-pair.html) reporting Sherwood's tabled a bid for Swindon midfielders Gladwin & Luongo. Don't know anything about them but I did hope we'd be setting our sights higher than League 1 players, and focusing on defenders rather than more midfielders. Early days of course

I think midfielders are also a priority though.  Take Cleverley and Delph out and all we have left is Gardner, as Westwood and Sanchez are more defensive midfielders.  Even if Cleverley stays, we are going to have to bolster that area. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on May 26, 2015, 10:35:43 AM

I read in our paper that Tim said that we have to move players out before we can add more players to the squad

It is going to be an interesting summer (lets just hope that the players we sign are about quality over quantity!)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on May 26, 2015, 10:44:23 AM

I think that will depend on position in some cases. With the diamond formation, and the 4-3-3 we have lacked enough bodies in midfield, where to some extent it is about legs and options. If Cleverley and these 2 lads from Swindon did come, that would give us a quality first 3 in Westwood, Delph and Cleverley, and ample back up that has the potential to be as good. Signing better than Cleverley and Delph would cost huge money.

In defence though, I agree 100%, there has to be a focus on first choice full backs and a potentially a new centre half and keeper.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 26, 2015, 11:00:20 AM

Up front we've got to be replacing Zogbia, Gabby and Weimann. Enough is enough to be honest. We can't be tolerating that crap all the time.

Replacing Benteke on top of that will be tough, but the flipside is his sale would put an enormous fat lump in our transfer kitty (unless Randy pockets some of it).

But of course Benteke has kept us up for 3 seasons in all honesty. Buying a front man is always a huge gamble. If they don't hit the ground running and score, given how we've been as a club, we'll probably drop. But I'd like to think Benteke would be replaced with two front men to better our odds of replacing his goals.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on May 26, 2015, 11:04:21 AM

Quote from: supertom on May 26, 2015, 11:00:20 AM

Up front we've got to be replacing Zogbia, Gabby and Weimann. Enough is enough to be honest. We can't be tolerating that crap all the time.

Replacing Benteke on top of that will be tough, but the flipside is his sale would put an enormous fat lump in our transfer kitty (unless Randy pockets some of it).

But of course Benteke has kept us up for 3 seasons in all honesty. Buying a front man is always a huge gamble. If they don't hit the ground running and score, given how we've been as a club, we'll probably drop. But I'd like to think Benteke would be replaced with two front men to better our odds of replacing his goals.

If he went buying 2 forwards, one with pace and guile and 1 with strength and power would make a lot of sense. Much will depend on the club being sold though. As was said earlier, another summer in limbo land and we will be in big trouble next season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 26, 2015, 11:10:30 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 26, 2015, 11:04:21 AM

Quote from: supertom on May 26, 2015, 11:00:20 AM

Up front we've got to be replacing Zogbia, Gabby and Weimann. Enough is enough to be honest. We can't be tolerating that crap all the time.

Replacing Benteke on top of that will be tough, but the flipside is his sale would put an enormous fat lump in our transfer kitty (unless Randy pockets some of it).

But of course Benteke has kept us up for 3 seasons in all honesty. Buying a front man is always a huge gamble. If they don't hit the ground running and score, given how we've been as a club, we'll probably drop. But I'd like to think Benteke would be replaced with two front men to better our odds of replacing his goals.

If he went buying 2 forwards, one with pace and guile and 1 with strength and power would make a lot of sense. Much will depend on the club being sold though. As was said earlier, another summer in limbo land and we will be in big trouble next season.

Definitely. Sherwood has been good in the short term but that gusto only lasts so long. Eventually you need a bit more nous and some quality to keep the level up and hopefully progress. Quality is something we're sorely lacking in, particularly at the back.
I do feel sorry for Tim though. Our defensive injuries have been chronic. To the point we obviously can't even put out 2 fit CH's in one go. Baker has just recovered. Vlaar is living on the edge. Okore's knee has finally given in, and the others are on the treatment table. To have 5 senior CH's on your books and be in the situation must be galling. Ditto fullbacks.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Lobsterboy on May 26, 2015, 02:36:41 PM

A Swindon fan at work reckons Luongo is a decent player and he's not surprised that he is now drawing attention from Premier League clubs

He wasn't as complimentary about Gladwin and wasn't really sure why we would want him but Chesterfield fans said similar about Jordan Bowery and look how he turned out...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 26, 2015, 03:47:18 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 25, 2015, 02:08:54 AM

What did Lowton do wrong that has seen him dropped like a stone? Did well at left back then not picked at all. Seems very harsh.

On the squad above.... keep, sell, shrug scale....

GK - Guzan, Given, Steer......   Keep, Sell, Sell
RB - Bacuna, Hutton, Lowton......  Keep, Sell, Shrug
LB - Cissokho, Richardson, Bennett.......  Sell, Sell, Shrug
CB - Vlaar, Okore, Clark, Baker, Senderos...... Shrug, Keep, Keep, Keep, Sell
DM - Westwood, Sanchez.......  Keep, Sell
CM - Delph, Cleverley, Gardner........ Keep, Shrug, Keep
AM - Grealish, Cole, Gil.........   Keep, Shrug, Sell (sadly)
W  - Sinclair, N'Zogbia.....    Keep, Sell
ST - Benteke, Agbonlahor, Weimann........ Keep, sell, sell


Might not be left with much, but we need to be pretty ruthless, and get in some players who will perform week in week out, not 8-10 times a season when it suits them.

Not sure we will have the money to make wholesale changes like that. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on May 26, 2015, 03:54:09 PM

Quote from: supertom on May 26, 2015, 11:10:30 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 26, 2015, 11:04:21 AM

Quote from: supertom on May 26, 2015, 11:00:20 AM

Up front we've got to be replacing Zogbia, Gabby and Weimann. Enough is enough to be honest. We can't be tolerating that crap all the time.

Replacing Benteke on top of that will be tough, but the flipside is his sale would put an enormous fat lump in our transfer kitty (unless Randy pockets some of it).

But of course Benteke has kept us up for 3 seasons in all honesty. Buying a front man is always a huge gamble. If they don't hit the ground running and score, given how we've been as a club, we'll probably drop. But I'd like to think Benteke would be replaced with two front men to better our odds of replacing his goals.

If he went buying 2 forwards, one with pace and guile and 1 with strength and power would make a lot of sense. Much will depend on the club being sold though. As was said earlier, another summer in limbo land and we will be in big trouble next season.

Definitely. Sherwood has been good in the short term but that gusto only lasts so long. Eventually you need a bit more nous and some quality to keep the level up and hopefully progress. Quality is something we're sorely lacking in, particularly at the back.
I do feel sorry for Tim though. Our defensive injuries have been chronic. To the point we obviously can't even put out 2 fit CH's in one go. Baker has just recovered. Vlaar is living on the edge. Okore's knee has finally given in, and the others are on the treatment table. To have 5 senior CH's on your books and be in the situation must be galling. Ditto fullbacks.

It must, but looking at the reality, Senderos has played about a third of the games he could have through his career due to injury, Vlaar we all knew was made of glass and likely after his great world cup to be injured much of the season, Baker we have seen break down time and time again, and Okore was just back from a cruciate injury this season. Leaving Clark, who has been prone to niggles, as all we have left!

I would not be disappointed to lose Vlaar and Senderos in favour of a couple of younger, less injury prone defenders this summer, with one that could play across the back 4 being found.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SirSteveUK on May 26, 2015, 05:11:49 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on May 24, 2015, 11:47:55 PM

...................... but I can only see a season of struggle ahead again.

Turn your telescope round....

WTF ? On what basis ??

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on May 26, 2015, 05:53:22 PM

I'm not sure that these players will suddenly improve, if we don't bring anyone in of course, to the degree that they suddenly become better than lower half players. Sherwood needs a real boost of energy and toughness in midfield and another goalscorer if we are to improve. We also desperately need a quality leader at the back. Lots to do.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on May 26, 2015, 06:04:06 PM

Quote from: SirSteveUK on May 26, 2015, 05:11:49 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on May 24, 2015, 11:47:55 PM

...................... but I can only see a season of struggle ahead again.

Meek home defeats to Swansea, Burnley and Stoke, defeat at Newcastle, a 6-1 battering at Southampton? Sherwood has done very well to keep this lot up, but the side needs some decent surgery to make it comfortable in mid table.
Turn your telescope round....

WTF ? On what basis ??

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 26, 2015, 06:17:34 PM

Scraping survival in the bottom place that stays up should not give any of us optimism. What should is some of the great displays we have seen under Sherwood.

Its funny how clubs have momentum one way or another. It seems no matter how much money gets thrown at Sunderland they are destined to struggle, likewise no matter how little gets thrown at Swansea they seem to be just fine.

Strange stuff.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frank black on May 26, 2015, 06:19:01 PM

One can only assume it's business as usual, unless we've been sold.

Probably have a few more quid to spend, but need to get the ageing players off the payroll. Cole, Senderos and Given. I would hope we chuck some of Bents wages into getting Benteke for another season.

It's going to be an interesting summer, no doubt.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on May 26, 2015, 07:51:59 PM

What worries me is that ok we have gotten 5 victories under Sherwood but there are 7 losses in there too - we could have done with a few more gritty draws - for me the biggest signing in the summer should be a top quality defensive coach.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 26, 2015, 08:11:46 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on May 26, 2015, 06:17:34 PM

Its funny how clubs have momentum one way or another. It seems no matter how much money gets thrown at Sunderland they are destined to struggle, likewise no matter how little gets thrown at Swansea they seem to be just fine.

Strange stuff.

A good choice of clubs: Swansea have a defined style of football and any manager must adhere to this blueprint, whereas Sunderland have jumped from MON to Poyet who have completely different philosophies.  Villa have recently been closer to Sunderland because we do not have a footballing identity.

I'm not sure what Sherwood's style is yet but I'd like to think that the club can identify something in his management which can become the club's unique selling point.  Maybe the promotion of young english players or the fact that we excel at coaching (no more 'bibs' and 'cones' malaise).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on May 26, 2015, 08:24:48 PM

Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on May 26, 2015, 07:51:59 PM

What worries me is that ok we have gotten 5 victories under Sherwood but there are 7 losses in there too - we could have done with a few more gritty draws - for me the biggest signing in the summer should be a top quality defensive coach.

I think over the course of a season we'd be in line for 45/46 pts from what Sherwoods done, in other words 13th. Picking them up from the gutter of a pathetic season where we'd become a bit of a national joke to achieve 16pts from 13 games is not bad in my eyes. I wouldn't even say a defensive coach would help that much, more we just need better defenders. How many individual errors have cost us goals this season? Absolutely bucket loads, by the lot of them.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on May 26, 2015, 09:44:35 PM

We do need to sort the defence out, it's very obvious. I like that he's prepared to lose a point in order to get 3 points, we'll benefit more from that approach and it was vital with where we were when Sherwood took over. There were games like Stoke where we stupidly threw a point away but that should be better next season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on May 26, 2015, 10:09:57 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on May 26, 2015, 08:24:48 PM

Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on May 26, 2015, 07:51:59 PM

What worries me is that ok we have gotten 5 victories under Sherwood but there are 7 losses in there too - we could have done with a few more gritty draws - for me the biggest signing in the summer should be a top quality defensive coach.

I think over the course of a season we'd be in line for 45/46 pts from what Sherwoods done, in other words 13th. Picking them up from the gutter of a pathetic season where we'd become a bit of a national joke to achieve 16pts from 13 games is not bad in my eyes. I wouldn't even say a defensive coach would help that much, more we just need better defenders. How many individual errors have cost us goals this season? Absolutely bucket loads, by the lot of them.

It's not entirely down to better defenders, more just fit defenders.

For the 6-1 we had hutton playing out of position just back from injury and okore playing with an injury, Burnley we had Nzog at left back and Baker playing just back from injury.

Our record when we had Clark and Okore both fit and available was a lot better, it's been the problem in our defence for years now, every time we get a settled back 4 we start picking up injuries and end up with a group who look like they've never met.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on May 26, 2015, 10:10:49 PM

If manure don't wan't Hernandez we'll have him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on May 26, 2015, 10:14:27 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on May 26, 2015, 10:10:49 PM

If manure don't wan't Hernandez we'll have him.

Agree but suspect he will want a CL club.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on May 26, 2015, 10:18:31 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on May 26, 2015, 10:14:27 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on May 26, 2015, 10:10:49 PM

If manure don't wan't Hernandez we'll have him.

Agree but suspect he will want a CL club.

Agreed but he tried that last year and hardly played in it. In fact he hardly played at all.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 26, 2015, 10:27:02 PM

Just because it didn't work at Real Madrid I doubt he's about to throw in the towel and settle for mid table PL. I'm sure he'll have plenty of suitors willing to offer him better prospects and very likely in the CL.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on May 26, 2015, 11:04:50 PM

I wonder just how damaging that mini collapse at the end of the season could be to us.

We were safe pre Burnley/ dead rubber yada yada yada. But the table looks ugly. And overseas players who we might have targeted could look at that and steer clear.

Finish 14 and you can argue that you were just a wee bit below mid table, and with fresh impetus, you could be pushing for Europa League next season.  Finish 17th with only one win separating you from the doomed and finishing below such utter dross as Newcastle, Sunderland, Leicester and West Brom - and the job becomes harder.

From the outside looking in, finishing 16th, 15th, 15th and 17th doesn't look like a club on the up.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 26, 2015, 11:18:07 PM

Quote from: KevinGage on May 26, 2015, 11:04:50 PM

I wonder just how damaging that mini collapse at the end of the season could be to us.

We were safe pre Burnley/ dead rubber yada yada yada. But the table looks ugly. And overseas players who we might have targeted could look at that and steer clear.

Finish 14 and you can argue that you were just a wee bit below mid table, and with fresh impetus, you could be pushing for Europa League next season.  Finish 17th with only one win separating you from the doomed and finishing below such utter dross as Newcastle, Sunderland, Leicester and West Brom - and the job becomes harder.

From the outside looking in, finishing 16th, 15th, 15th and 17th doesn't look like a club on the up.

Winning the FA Cup might just change that perception though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 26, 2015, 11:20:20 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on May 26, 2015, 11:18:07 PM

Quote from: KevinGage on May 26, 2015, 11:04:50 PM

I wonder just how damaging that mini collapse at the end of the season could be to us.

We were safe pre Burnley/ dead rubber yada yada yada. But the table looks ugly. And overseas players who we might have targeted could look at that and steer clear.

Finish 14 and you can argue that you were just a wee bit below mid table, and with fresh impetus, you could be pushing for Europa League next season.  Finish 17th with only one win separating you from the doomed and finishing below such utter dross as Newcastle, Sunderland, Leicester and West Brom - and the job becomes harder.

From the outside looking in, finishing 16th, 15th, 15th and 17th doesn't look like a club on the up.

Winning the FA Cup might just change that perception though.

It didn't work for Wigan.

We've got to stop being so utterly shit in the league.

No doubt we'll spend some of this summer trying to get Benteke to stay with us. It is pretty hard, really, when you've had him here three years and he's finished 15th twice and 17th, FA Cup final or no FA Cup final. What do you say to him to persuade him to hitch his career to our wagon for another few years, when he could easily go elsewhere and compete for titles, or play in the CL?

We are so far from a club on the up at the moment, it is untrue.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 26, 2015, 11:29:04 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 26, 2015, 11:20:20 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on May 26, 2015, 11:18:07 PM

Quote from: KevinGage on May 26, 2015, 11:04:50 PM

I wonder just how damaging that mini collapse at the end of the season could be to us.

We were safe pre Burnley/ dead rubber yada yada yada. But the table looks ugly. And overseas players who we might have targeted could look at that and steer clear.

Finish 14 and you can argue that you were just a wee bit below mid table, and with fresh impetus, you could be pushing for Europa League next season.  Finish 17th with only one win separating you from the doomed and finishing below such utter dross as Newcastle, Sunderland, Leicester and West Brom - and the job becomes harder.

From the outside looking in, finishing 16th, 15th, 15th and 17th doesn't look like a club on the up.

Winning the FA Cup might just change that perception though.

It didn't work for Wigan.

We've got to stop being so utterly shit in the league.

No doubt we'll spend some of this summer trying to get Benteke to stay with us. It is pretty hard, really, when you've had him here three years and he's finished 15th twice and 17th, FA Cup final or no FA Cup final. What do you say to him to persuade him to hitch his career to our wagon for another few years, when he could easily go elsewhere and compete for titles, or play in the CL?

We are so far from a club on the up at the moment, it is untrue.

To be fair, Wigan were relegated!!

To be honest, apart from little spells here and here, the last five seasons have been pretty dire.  I think Sherwood has somewhat lifted the malaise that seemed to be ingrained at the club and up until the last two games, brought a bit of good feeling back to the club.  To move on, we need better players in key areas, plain and simple.   

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on May 27, 2015, 12:25:23 AM

Quote from: SirSteveUK on May 26, 2015, 05:11:49 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on May 24, 2015, 11:47:55 PM

...................... but I can only see a season of struggle ahead again.

Turn your telescope round....

WTF ? On what basis ??

On the basis of the final BPL table for the last four seasons. This group of players points wise is the worst since when, the 70s? Even relegation in the 80s prompted a super quick turnaround in fortunes.

Our run to the cup final can't mask the fact that to even reach Stoke levels we need to gut the squad.
In some ways the recent 2 league defeats should aid Sherwood's case in the summer to get rid of the likes of Nzogbia, Gabby, Weimann, Lowton and countless others. A couple of wins in those games and the likes of those might be given another chance. But that ship has sailed now, 5/12 league wins is about right for our current squad.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on May 27, 2015, 05:45:59 AM

but who will buy them? As in recent seasons, loans are the most likely strategy unless we literally, in some instances, give players away. And we still have last season's loan players coming back to worry about,  unless someone has snapped up the Tony Moon's etc. without me being aware of it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 27, 2015, 09:12:30 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on May 27, 2015, 05:45:59 AM

but who will buy them? As in recent seasons, loans are the most likely strategy unless we literally, in some instances, give players away. And we still have last season's loan players coming back to worry about,  unless someone has snapped up the Tony Moon's etc. without me being aware of it.

I think someone mentioned Helenius's contract possibly being cancelled. I would go about seeing if we could do that with 2-3 other of the cheapy players. They might be willing in order to move their careers on. I would be thinking we should be within our rights to terminate Tonev's contract, but you never know in football.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: glester on May 27, 2015, 11:25:19 AM

Looks like we didn't get Luongo... disappointing!

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2015/05/27/qpr-lands-luongo-8-million-package

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: warleyboy on May 27, 2015, 11:28:59 AM

Quote from: glester on May 27, 2015, 11:25:19 AM

Looks like we didn't get Luongo... disappointing!

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2015/05/27/qpr-lands-luongo-8-million-package

Be interested to know if it is Randy holding funds back until after fa cup.
That would be infuriating for TS.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: itbrvilla on May 27, 2015, 11:34:10 AM

Quote from: glester on May 27, 2015, 11:25:19 AM

Looks like we didn't get Luongo... disappointing!

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2015/05/27/qpr-lands-luongo-8-million-package

QPR have money?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on May 27, 2015, 11:40:55 AM

Disappointed but clutch at straws and believe Cleverley has agreed to stay (and Sherwood likes Gardner)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 27, 2015, 11:50:26 AM

Quote from: warleyboy on May 27, 2015, 11:28:59 AM

Quote from: glester on May 27, 2015, 11:25:19 AM

Looks like we didn't get Luongo... disappointing!

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2015/05/27/qpr-lands-luongo-8-million-package

Be interested to know if it is Randy holding funds back until after fa cup.
That would be infuriating for TS.

How is this confirmed? QPR also possibly have FFP bill that could be as high as £50m. I'd have thought they'd be trying to sort that mess out first before signing anyone.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OzVilla on May 27, 2015, 11:59:22 AM

Quote from: itbrvilla on May 27, 2015, 11:34:10 AM

Quote from: glester on May 27, 2015, 11:25:19 AM

Looks like we didn't get Luongo... disappointing!

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2015/05/27/qpr-lands-luongo-8-million-package

QPR have money?

Quote from: glester on May 27, 2015, 11:25:19 AM

Looks like we didn't get Luongo... disappointing!

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2015/05/27/qpr-lands-luongo-8-million-package

Or maybe Sherwood has decided he's not for him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 27, 2015, 12:00:36 PM

It seems odd that two such highly-rated players should jump straight in to the basket case that is QPR without seeing what else is on offer.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dekko on May 27, 2015, 12:05:26 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 27, 2015, 12:00:36 PM

It seems odd that two such highly-rated players should jump straight in to the basket case that is QPR without seeing what else is on offer.

This is the same QPR that has a reputation for handing out absolutely enormous contracts to players nobody's heard of, remember.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on May 27, 2015, 12:07:55 PM

Very weird. They will have been aware of our interest so not a clue why you would choose to go there.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on May 27, 2015, 12:13:12 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 27, 2015, 12:00:36 PM

It seems odd that two such highly-rated players should jump straight in to the basket case that is QPR without seeing what else is on offer.

Who will be playing in the Championship next season. Still, money talks. Always has,always will. We offered 3.5 mil for the two of them so it was reported. That's about our level I'm afraid.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 27, 2015, 12:13:17 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 27, 2015, 12:07:55 PM

Very weird. They will have been aware of our interest so not a clue why you would choose to go there.

I still don't see where this is confirmed. Who are SBS?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 27, 2015, 12:14:29 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on May 27, 2015, 12:13:12 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 27, 2015, 12:00:36 PM

It seems odd that two such highly-rated players should jump straight in to the basket case that is QPR without seeing what else is on offer.

Who will be playing in the Championship next season. Still, money talks. Always has,always will. We offered 3.5 mil for the two of them so it was reported. That's about our level I'm afraid.

Yes, we offered it in £. The article is in $. Before slagging the club you might want to consider there are no facts and the currency is different.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 27, 2015, 12:15:32 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on May 27, 2015, 12:13:12 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 27, 2015, 12:00:36 PM

It seems odd that two such highly-rated players should jump straight in to the basket case that is QPR without seeing what else is on offer.

Who will be playing in the Championship next season. Still, money talks. Always has,always will. We offered 3.5 mil for the two of them so it was reported. That's about our level I'm afraid.

No it isn't, but if you want to believe spurious stories in order to think the worst, feel free.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on May 27, 2015, 12:21:47 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 27, 2015, 12:13:17 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 27, 2015, 12:07:55 PM

Very weird. They will have been aware of our interest so not a clue why you would choose to go there.

I still don't see where this is confirmed. Who are SBS?

SBS is one of the main media networks down here, they've pretty much carried the flag up until recently in terms of providing football coverage. So you could maybe speculate that they might have good sources close to Luongo, but who knows, could be worth absolutely nothing.

Both players sound like good prospects, but don't seem like a big miss. Re-signing Cleverley now becomes more important though, obviously.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on May 27, 2015, 12:23:23 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 27, 2015, 12:15:32 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on May 27, 2015, 12:13:12 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 27, 2015, 12:00:36 PM

It seems odd that two such highly-rated players should jump straight in to the basket case that is QPR without seeing what else is on offer.

Who will be playing in the Championship next season. Still, money talks. Always has,always will. We offered 3.5 mil for the two of them so it was reported. That's about our level I'm afraid.

No it isn't, but if you want to believe spurious stories in order to think the worst, feel free.

Well alright but it is on the BBC website and that is usually reliable. We shall have to wait and see. I hope they are wrong.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 27, 2015, 12:26:05 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on May 27, 2015, 12:23:23 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 27, 2015, 12:15:32 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on May 27, 2015, 12:13:12 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 27, 2015, 12:00:36 PM

It seems odd that two such highly-rated players should jump straight in to the basket case that is QPR without seeing what else is on offer.

Who will be playing in the Championship next season. Still, money talks. Always has,always will. We offered 3.5 mil for the two of them so it was reported. That's about our level I'm afraid.

No it isn't, but if you want to believe spurious stories in order to think the worst, feel free.

Well alright but it is on the BBC website and that is usually reliable. We shall have to wait and see. I hope they are wrong.

Whoever he goes to, we'll never know what, if anything, we offered.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: The Man With A Stick on May 27, 2015, 12:47:28 PM

I'd rather see Gardner get a chance than us fork out on a couple of unproven players from League One.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: David_Nab on May 27, 2015, 12:49:15 PM

Could be that whilst we looked at them we were never that interested but attaching our name gave Swindon a nice shopping window for the players..

The Swindon charimen said he had prem league offers for the players ..and they end up at QPR..I'd suggest if the 2 players had a genuine chance of going to the prem league they wouldn't have ended up at QPR who could well yet be fined heavily which could stifle their chances to get promoted straight away.

Luongo I understand is a CM where currently inc Cleverly we are not too bad with Gardner who performed at decent level for Forrest to come back into as well.I would think should be sign Cleverly spending £3mil or so on yet another CM might not be the best use of our funds ..whatever they may be.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on May 27, 2015, 12:51:18 PM

Could be a number of factors.

As ex Spurs yout, they might have a better relationship with Chris Ramsey than TS.

Going to a Championship side about to rebuild might give them more opportunity to play.

Or they might be the kind of twats whereby the Landan Life outweighs any other professional considerations.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: David_Nab on May 27, 2015, 03:16:49 PM

Barton Zamora Wright Phillips Dunne all available  ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 27, 2015, 03:21:08 PM

Quote from: KevinGage on May 27, 2015, 12:51:18 PM

Could be a number of factors.

As ex Spurs yout, they might have a better relationship with Chris Ramsey than TS.

Going to a Championship side about to rebuild might give them more opportunity to play.

Or they might be the kind of twats whereby the Landan Life outweighs any other professional considerations.

Or the Aussie fella could still do his shifts in the pubs of Earl's Court.
Joking aside, he is very highly rated down under but it does seem odd if that wasn't their only choice.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 27, 2015, 03:43:06 PM

Quote from: David_Nab on May 27, 2015, 03:16:49 PM

Barton Zamora Wright Phillips Dunne all available  ;)

Don't tell Villa Kicks he'll keel over in excitement.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: fbriai on May 27, 2015, 03:50:13 PM

Quote from: David_Nab on May 27, 2015, 03:16:49 PM

Barton Zamora Wright Phillips Dunne all available  ;)

Sounds like a modern re-make of Trumpton.

That would be one use for them, I suppose. If they are at a loose end.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on May 27, 2015, 03:54:00 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 27, 2015, 12:07:55 PM

Very weird. They will have been aware of our interest so not a clue why you would choose to go there.

The article claims we made a bid yesterday ...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 27, 2015, 03:58:19 PM

Quote from: David_Nab on May 27, 2015, 03:16:49 PM

Barton Zamora Wright Phillips Dunne all available  ;)

That Bobby Zamora goal in the MOTD goal of the season thing was an absolute belter.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on May 27, 2015, 05:22:00 PM

Quote from: KevinGage on May 27, 2015, 12:51:18 PM

Could be a number of factors.

As ex Spurs yout, they might have a better relationship with Chris Ramsey than TS.

Going to a Championship side about to rebuild might give them more opportunity to play.

Or they might be the kind of twats whereby the Landan Life outweighs any other professional considerations.

I understand all that, but surely the lure of The Aston Villa should have been enough

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: johnny from donny on May 27, 2015, 08:04:33 PM

Can't say I'm too upset at not signing a couple of league one players really.  I would hope that our list of potential targets goes beyond former members of spurs youth team and their flatmates, regardless of what the media seem to think.
Saw someone on twitter linking us to Jamie Vardy, not for me,thanks.
I think Liverpool should be told to get stuffed if they come offering Ricky Lambert, wouldn't mind Charlie Austin alongside Benteke next season. Not instead of him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on May 27, 2015, 08:17:13 PM

I know it's only paper talk but £8mill? Fuck sake, get real. Two league one players going to QPR instead of Villa? So what, move on. Do we really need to set our knickers over two league one players? Especially at that price. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on May 27, 2015, 08:45:15 PM

Quote from: Newby on May 27, 2015, 08:17:13 PM

I know it's only paper talk but £8mill? Fuck sake, get real. Two league one players going to QPR instead of Villa? So what, move on. Do we really need to set our knickers over two league one players? Especially at that price.

Think it was $8m.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 27, 2015, 08:48:07 PM

I see Mulumbu has been released by Sandwell. Seeing as we are short of numbers in midfield, would he be decent shout to bolster the squad in that area?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 27, 2015, 09:06:15 PM

Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on May 27, 2015, 08:45:15 PM

Quote from: Newby on May 27, 2015, 08:17:13 PM

I know it's only paper talk but £8mill? Fuck sake, get real. Two league one players going to QPR instead of Villa? So what, move on. Do we really need to set our knickers over two league one players? Especially at that price.

Think it was $8m.

Australian dollars.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: warleyboy on May 27, 2015, 09:07:31 PM

Yea it's 8 million Australian dollars which is basically 4 million pound.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 27, 2015, 09:14:41 PM

Why is it only this one site reporting this apparently "done" deal?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on May 27, 2015, 09:17:19 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on May 27, 2015, 08:48:07 PM

I see Mulumbu has been released by Sandwell. Seeing as we are short of numbers in midfield, would he be decent shout to bolster the squad in that area?

We need quality not quantity.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on May 27, 2015, 09:17:37 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on May 27, 2015, 05:45:59 AM

but who will buy them? As in recent seasons, loans are the most likely strategy unless we literally, in some instances, give players away. And we still have last season's loan players coming back to worry about,  unless someone has snapped up the Tony Moon's etc. without me being aware of it.

for starters, Bent and Vlaar are probably with the exception of Benteke our highest earners so that money can be re-invested.

the tough decisions will be on those with only 12 months left, expect a few contracts to be terminated by "mutual agreement" in the summer and also cut price deals to get rid. 12 months left - Shay Given, Charles N’Zogbia, Nathan Baker, Joe Bennett, Ciaran Clark, Philippe Senderos, Kieran Richardson, Janoi Donacien, Yacouba Sylla, Nicklas Helenius, Leandro Bacuna, Joe Cole, Gary Gardner, Andi Weimann, Callum Robinson, Antonio Luna

Id keep Clark for sure and while Bacuna, Richardson, Baker have done enough for another 12 months.

Hutton, Lowton, Tonev and Kozak have 2 years left. Lowton and Tonev need to be cut loose, Kozak needs a loan spell to get back up to speed. Hutton, unless we can get in  a quality right back like Walker this summer then Hutton will do again next season. Think he has got worse the longer the season has gone on though.

Cissokho, Sanchez, Gabby, Gil - disappointing that Sherwood doesnt seem to rate Gil. Cissokho imo is hopeless so no loss, I like Sanchez but dont think he has the mobility Sherwood is looking for. I'm hoping this is the summer Gabby goes, he sums up the utter mediocrity at Villa Park imo. A Cameron Jerome clone at best. The hardest one to shift but I think there will be takers

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 27, 2015, 09:21:35 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on May 27, 2015, 09:17:19 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on May 27, 2015, 08:48:07 PM

I see Mulumbu has been released by Sandwell. Seeing as we are short of numbers in midfield, would he be decent shout to bolster the squad in that area?

We need quality not quantity.

Agree in most positions, but even if Cleverley signs, we need a couple of options in central midfield to cover him and Delph,

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy65 on May 27, 2015, 09:30:25 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on May 27, 2015, 09:17:37 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on May 27, 2015, 05:45:59 AM

but who will buy them? As in recent seasons, loans are the most likely strategy unless we literally, in some instances, give players away. And we still have last season's loan players coming back to worry about,  unless someone has snapped up the Tony Moon's etc. without me being aware of it.

for starters, Bent and Vlaar are probably with the exception of Benteke our highest earners so that money can be re-invested.

the tough decisions will be on those with only 12 months left, expect a few contracts to be terminated by "mutual agreement" in the summer and also cut price deals to get rid. 12 months left - Shay Given, Charles N’Zogbia, Nathan Baker, Joe Bennett, Ciaran Clark, Philippe Senderos, Kieran Richardson, Janoi Donacien, Yacouba Sylla, Nicklas Helenius, Leandro Bacuna, Joe Cole, Gary Gardner, Andi Weimann, Callum Robinson, Antonio Luna

Id keep Clark for sure and while Bacuna, Richardson, Baker have done enough for another 12 months.

Hutton, Lowton, Tonev and Kozak have 2 years left. Lowton and Tonev need to be cut loose, Kozak needs a loan spell to get back up to speed. Hutton, unless we can get in  a quality right back like Walker this summer then Hutton will do again next season. Think he has got worse the longer the season has gone on though.

Cissokho, Sanchez, Gabby, Gil - disappointing that Sherwood doesnt seem to rate Gil. Cissokho imo is hopeless so no loss, I like Sanchez but dont think he has the mobility Sherwood is looking for. I'm hoping this is the summer Gabby goes, he sums up the utter mediocrity at Villa Park imo. A Cameron Jerome clone at best. The hardest one to shift but I think there will be takers

Blimey. With your cull we wont have a starting 11 let alone a squad!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on May 27, 2015, 09:34:13 PM

We have this every year. People suggesting selling about fifteen players

I think we'll see relatively few transfers in. As above, it's quality we need

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy65 on May 27, 2015, 09:35:33 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on May 27, 2015, 08:48:07 PM

I see Mulumbu has been released by Sandwell. Seeing as we are short of numbers in midfield, would he be decent shout to bolster the squad in that area?

My Albion mate Reckons he is past it

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: placeforparks on May 28, 2015, 11:10:09 AM

darren bent moving to derby on a free.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on May 28, 2015, 11:14:36 AM

I wish him success; an expensive one dimensional indulgence, but what we needed at the time and he undoubtedly kept us afloat in his first season. Infinitely cheaper than going down so all in all, a good buy at the right time - but that time has gone.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: David_Nab on May 28, 2015, 11:45:04 AM

Is that confirmed , would have thought nothing would be happening there until they get a new manager.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Gerrin on May 28, 2015, 11:56:21 AM

Swindon duo to join QPR as Aston Villa miss out


Swindon Town midfielders Massimo Luongo and Ben Gladwin look set to join QPR, despite reported interest from Tim Sherwood’s Aston Villa.
 
It is thought that the pair have already completed medicals and had a joint-fee agreed with the newly-relegated London club, and a deal could be completed before the end of the week.

After Swindon’s crushing defeat to Preston in the League One play-off final, several players are expected to leave, with this pair being the first two.
 
QPR will be looking to bounce back into the Premier League at the first time of asking, as they did in 2014, and manager Chris Ramsey–friends with Tim Sherwood from their Tottenham days–will have no qualms hijacking his old friend’s move for these highly-rated midfielders.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on May 28, 2015, 11:59:19 AM

I watched that play off game and didn't think Luongano was ready for the step up yet, I didnt notice the other one at all.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: glester on May 28, 2015, 12:41:34 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on May 28, 2015, 11:59:19 AM

I watched that play off game and didn't think Luongano was ready for the step up yet, I didnt notice the other one at all.

He's definitely the type of player who lifts with better players around him and for the occasion.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 28, 2015, 08:20:14 PM

Quote from: placeforparks on May 28, 2015, 11:10:09 AM

darren bent moving to derby on a free.

Good move for him and good luck.
Kept us up for 2 seasons and never moaned about the club.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 29, 2015, 09:09:28 AM

Quote from: Rudy65 on May 27, 2015, 09:35:33 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on May 27, 2015, 08:48:07 PM

I see Mulumbu has been released by Sandwell. Seeing as we are short of numbers in midfield, would he be decent shout to bolster the squad in that area?

My Albion mate Reckons he is past it

Strange one, as he was typically heralded as the example of their good scouting system and looked a good player a few years back.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 29, 2015, 11:32:55 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 27, 2015, 09:34:13 PM

We have this every year. People suggesting selling about fifteen players

I think we'll see relatively few transfers in. As above, it's quality we need

There will be a massive clear out

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: David_Nab on May 29, 2015, 01:29:22 PM

Will be a clearout but as has been the running theme under Lerner we will won't be bringing much in for those going.

At mo I have Bent / Herd / Stevens all leaving for nothing and Helenius paid off to leave.Tonev and Luna I expect will be paid up to go as well.

Cole Sendaros and Cissoko I imagine we will try and get rid of but your looking at very little ( in Cole's case nothing ) in way of a return.Of ones surplus to requirements arguably Wiemann is only one we could get a few million for.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 29, 2015, 01:34:10 PM

Cole will be kept for the second year.  Sherwood values his contribution to Jack's development.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on May 29, 2015, 03:16:43 PM

hugely expensive advice at 20k a week for a one on one development thingy; how many minutes of football did Cole actually manage this season? His salary ought to be freed up for someone younger who can actually play and mentor

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: warleyboy on May 29, 2015, 03:26:13 PM

Quote from: Duncan Shaw on May 29, 2015, 01:34:10 PM

Cole will be kept for the second year.  Sherwood values his contribution to Jack's development.

I personally cannot see keeping him for that reason, his coaching staff are paid for development.
Also, there are other players in team who can put an arm round him if need be.
TS is no fool, and any players who cannot contribute to footy On the field will be sent packing unfortunately, and I have to agree.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 29, 2015, 03:44:56 PM

Quote from: warleyboy on May 29, 2015, 03:26:13 PM

Quote from: Duncan Shaw on May 29, 2015, 01:34:10 PM

Cole will be kept for the second year.  Sherwood values his contribution to Jack's development.

I personally cannot see keeping him for that reason, his coaching staff are paid for development.
Also, there are other players in team who can put an arm round him if need be.
TS is no fool, and any players who cannot contribute to footy On the field will be sent packing unfortunately, and I have to agree.

I'd much rather we kept Gil and moved Cole on.  Cole has another year left on his contract though and as we have seen over the past few seasons, it is very difficult to budge players in that situation.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on May 29, 2015, 03:52:17 PM

Regarding Benteke, Paulie has to point pretty well nailed; we’ve been chronic for far too long. We’ve finished on 38 points for three of the past four seasons and been encamped in the bottom six for almost the entire past five years.

That’s poor, no matter which way you cut it, so other clubs, including Liverpool will look like a good move to our better players.

If Benteke is going, then I am not all that bothered where as long as we get a good fee for him and that money is given to Sherwood to spend. If we got Austin, as mooted, then at the fee quoted, we’d still have £15 million left.

Austin looks a little Bent-esq in that he contributes very little, but then so much of our squad contributes so little anyway in respect of goals, would we be that worse off?

He scored 18 goals playing for the garbage QPR and his goal against Southampton suggests that he has some decent ability. If you can guarantee that sort of return and use the other £15 million to buy a couple of quality midfielders to supplement what we have and provide more chances for everybody else, then we will kick on, even without Benteke.

I think we need a centre forward [if Benteke goes] as I would only trust Kozak to contribute anything close to double figures from those left. I would like to keep Cleverley, but after Delph, the quality is really thin in the midfield.

Grealish, N’Zogbia and Sinclair offer some flair and creativity, but if we could drop in a couple of £7/8 million players too, then we’re going to be better off. If that means Benteke goes, then so be it.

Beyond that I’d be looking at a commanding centre half to really help stabilise Clark and Okore and also a proper left back [the Swansea lad has been mentioned?] to give us some stability. We would need a bit of luck with the defence too in respect of injuries. It would be nice for once if our first choice centre half pairing could put a 25-30 game run together.

It’s a big job, but we desperately need quality to insure this isn’t year number 6 of struggle or more worryingly, the year we drop. I think that we could safely ensconce ourselves in midtable security, between 12th-9th with a bit of wheeling and dealing and ultimately, with Benteke going.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on May 29, 2015, 04:11:47 PM

I do fear that once you lose a quality player like Benteke, you enter the realms of treading water until another one happens to come along. There are about five post-Yorke seasons that blur into one for me, save for the Cup Final and a few goals by Merson or Angel. But, after this clutch of seasons stinking up the league, I'd take treading water with no undue alarm.

I don't think it's that difficult to see where we could improve. Defence needs solidity and reliability, midfield needs a creative spark, and we need more than one person who can put the ball in the net. I would go so far as to argue that defence and midfield are the key areas to improve, because we won't constantly be looking over our shoulders about goal difference, and we should create more chances. My concern is that Sherwood has said Benteke should stay because we're the team that crosses the ball the most, and if that's the style we're going to play, then the replacement has to be basically a carbon copy of Benteke, and they usually cost more than your average slippery striker. So unless there is some unknown wonder lurking out there on the continent, the bulk of the transfer kitty will probably go on a frontman.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on May 29, 2015, 04:20:35 PM

It depends on how you use the cash.

Spurs and Liverpool spent poorly when Bale and Suarez was sold. Swansea on the otherhand, seemed to invest their money wisely time and again, while Southampton showed what could be done too.

We need quality and a lot of it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on May 29, 2015, 04:28:48 PM

That's the unknown about Sherwood - will he be the manager that goes for the headline grabbing signings, or will he build steadily like a Swansea or Southampton? I mean, he's a mouth but he may be shrewder than people realise.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Drummond on May 29, 2015, 04:34:42 PM

Quote from: curiousorange on May 29, 2015, 04:28:48 PM

That's the unknown about Sherwood - will he be the manager that goes for the headline grabbing signings, or will he build steadily like a Swansea or Southampton? I mean, he's a mouth but he may be shrewder than people realise.

I hope a bit of both, because that's what we need.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 29, 2015, 04:46:17 PM

Quote from: curiousorange on May 29, 2015, 04:11:47 PM

I do fear that once you lose a quality player like Benteke, you enter the realms of treading water until another one happens to come along. There are about five post-Yorke seasons that blur into one for me, save for the Cup Final and a few goals by Merson or Angel. But, after this clutch of seasons stinking up the league, I'd take treading water with no undue alarm.

I don't think it's that difficult to see where we could improve. Defence needs solidity and reliability, midfield needs a creative spark, and we need more than one person who can put the ball in the net. I would go so far as to argue that defence and midfield are the key areas to improve, because we won't constantly be looking over our shoulders about goal difference, and we should create more chances. My concern is that Sherwood has said Benteke should stay because we're the team that crosses the ball the most, and if that's the style we're going to play, then the replacement has to be basically a carbon copy of Benteke, and they usually cost more than your average slippery striker. So unless there is some unknown wonder lurking out there on the continent, the bulk of the transfer kitty will probably go on a frontman.

Dion Dublin scored a fair few in that time!!

As for the squad, in terms of numbers, I think we are just about right now.  What we really need are 4-5 quality players who can come straight into the team in certain positions. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on May 29, 2015, 06:14:18 PM

I can't help thinking that Sherwood knows the Benteke money will be his war chest to improve all areas. I also wonder some contract cancellations will occur for the likes of Cole, Luna, Sylla etc. There is no doubt that a lot needs doing and I wonder if Sherwood sees this as his best chance of doing it in one window?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on May 29, 2015, 07:16:36 PM

I don't think Benteke will jump ship until he sees the club sold and reinforcements brought in. Seriously, with the way Liverpool are going post-Suarez there's no real reason a new, rich owner can't come in and at least compete in the 5th-8th range.

Benteke deserves Champions League football, not friggin Liverpool.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: DB on May 29, 2015, 07:44:22 PM

I like that Sky news banner is reporting on Benteke's buy out clause and nothing on the cup final......trying to make a story as they don't have the F.A. cup.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 29, 2015, 07:51:05 PM

Quote from: DB on May 29, 2015, 07:44:22 PM

I like that Sky news banner is reporting on Benteke's buy out clause and nothing on the cup final......trying to make a story as they don't have the F.A. cup.

That's because we are not playing in the FA Cup final, Arsenal are. We're there to make up the numbers in some areas of the media. No problem, I hope we don't ruin things when we win it. We'll just sneak out the back with the trophy so we don't bother people too much.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on May 29, 2015, 07:52:00 PM

The press have brought the issue of Benteke's contract up and SSN are regurgitating that. It is laughable that they show as little coverage of the build-up to tomorrow just because they don't have the rights for it. Are they going to do the same with the Champions League once it goes to BT.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on May 29, 2015, 07:53:56 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 29, 2015, 07:51:05 PM

Quote from: DB on May 29, 2015, 07:44:22 PM

I like that Sky news banner is reporting on Benteke's buy out clause and nothing on the cup final......trying to make a story as they don't have the F.A. cup.

That's because we are not playing in the FA Cup final, Arsenal are. We're there to make up the numbers in some areas of the media. No problem, I hope we don't ruin things when we win it. We'll just sneak out the back with the trophy so we don't bother people too much.

I hope we muller them, get all the decisions, dubious goals, make all the noise and act like we've completed football.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Lsvilla on May 29, 2015, 07:55:22 PM

I know he's obviously got plenty on right now, but once the cup is won and TS gets the fully deserved plaudits for a few days, I hope he then moves in on his key targets (Cleverly included) before any Benteke to be sold stories gather too much momentum so we get value and not held to ransom by clubs knowing we have £40m burning a hole.
Better still, get key targets signed and the big fella on an extended deal !!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Monty on May 29, 2015, 07:58:14 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 29, 2015, 07:51:05 PM

Quote from: DB on May 29, 2015, 07:44:22 PM

I like that Sky news banner is reporting on Benteke's buy out clause and nothing on the cup final......trying to make a story as they don't have the F.A. cup.

That's because we are not playing in the FA Cup final, Arsenal are. We're there to make up the numbers in some areas of the media. No problem, I hope we don't ruin things when we win it. We'll just sneak out the back with the trophy so we don't bother people too much.

Like fuck we will. We'll invade the Wembley pitch (bringing the game into disrepute, of course), Prince William being crowdsurfed with the Cup, which he'll hands to Tim who'll proceed to spray-paint the letters 'A V' on it in claret and blue.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 29, 2015, 08:02:11 PM

Quote from: Monty on May 29, 2015, 07:58:14 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 29, 2015, 07:51:05 PM

Quote from: DB on May 29, 2015, 07:44:22 PM

I like that Sky news banner is reporting on Benteke's buy out clause and nothing on the cup final......trying to make a story as they don't have the F.A. cup.

That's because we are not playing in the FA Cup final, Arsenal are. We're there to make up the numbers in some areas of the media. No problem, I hope we don't ruin things when we win it. We'll just sneak out the back with the trophy so we don't bother people too much.

Like fuck we will. We'll invade the Wembley pitch (bringing the game into disrepute, of course), Prince William being crowdsurfed with the Cup, which he'll hands to Tim who'll proceed to spray-paint the letters 'A V' on it in claret and blue.

I have to say I am interested to see when we do score and when we do win if the Prince can retain control of his emotions. Because the rest of us won't. I want him to go mental and then kiss Fabian's sweaty head as he hands him the trophy!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Monty on May 29, 2015, 08:08:17 PM

He might leave Kate to try and put on the first gay royal wedding with Tim or Fabian. He'd have to join the queue though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 29, 2015, 08:19:28 PM

If it's ok with everyone I'll keep Kate company before rejoining the celebrations of such a wonderful union of men.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Monty on May 29, 2015, 08:25:46 PM

Now TV, I thought you were already in love with Sherwood? *winky thing*

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 29, 2015, 08:30:30 PM

Quote from: Monty on May 29, 2015, 08:25:46 PM

Now TV, I thought you were already in love with Sherwood? *winky thing*

Are you asking me to pick between Kate and Tim? As a tough a choice as that is Monty, I do like me a bit of Kate :)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 29, 2015, 08:31:54 PM

Quote from: lsvilla on May 29, 2015, 07:55:22 PM

I know he's obviously got plenty on right now, but once the cup is won and TS gets the fully deserved plaudits for a few days, I hope he then moves in on his key targets (Cleverly included) before any Benteke to be sold stories gather too much momentum so we get value and not held to ransom by clubs knowing we have £40m burning a hole.
Better still, get key targets signed and the big fella on an extended deal !!

This is good!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 29, 2015, 08:34:16 PM

I think he'll stay when we win.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Monty on May 29, 2015, 08:36:21 PM

Well, I appreciate that you've made a difficult choice there TV...

...which, smoothly segueing back on topic, is exactly what Sherwood will have to do this summer, especially there's Benteke money. Do we splurge on trying to replace him or go for a more all-round strengthening approach? If we decide to replace him, do we get another big man or a different kind of forward to tweak the style of play, with Kozak on hand to provide the muscle should we need it? These are difficult questions, and I honestly have no idea how Tim will do - there's no precedent for us to look at with him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: DB on May 29, 2015, 10:46:06 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 29, 2015, 08:02:11 PM

Quote from: Monty on May 29, 2015, 07:58:14 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 29, 2015, 07:51:05 PM

Quote from: DB on May 29, 2015, 07:44:22 PM

I like that Sky news banner is reporting on Benteke's buy out clause and nothing on the cup final......trying to make a story as they don't have the F.A. cup.

That's because we are not playing in the FA Cup final, Arsenal are. We're there to make up the numbers in some areas of the media. No problem, I hope we don't ruin things when we win it. We'll just sneak out the back with the trophy so we don't bother people too much.

Like fuck we will. We'll invade the Wembley pitch (bringing the game into disrepute, of course), Prince William being crowdsurfed with the Cup, which he'll hands to Tim who'll proceed to spray-paint the letters 'A V' on it in claret and blue.

I have to say I am interested to see when we do score and when we do win if the Prince can retain control of his emotions. Because the rest of us won't. I want him to go mental and then kiss Fabian's sweaty head as he hands him the trophy!

I think that Sky just want to have a juicy transfer 'story' to run over a quiet sporting summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on May 29, 2015, 10:52:47 PM

Quote from: Monty on May 29, 2015, 08:36:21 PM

Well, I appreciate that you've made a difficult choice there TV...

...which, smoothly segueing back on topic, is exactly what Sherwood will have to do this summer, especially there's Benteke money. Do we splurge on trying to replace him or go for a more all-round strengthening approach? If we decide to replace him, do we get another big man or a different kind of forward to tweak the style of play, with Kozak on hand to provide the muscle should we need it? These are difficult questions, and I honestly have no idea how Tim will do - there's no precedent for us to look at with him.

There's only Benteke money if/when we sell him. On the second point, we need to have more ways of opening teams up than getting the ball wide and crossing for a big man to get on the end of, regardless of what happens with him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 29, 2015, 11:15:14 PM

Quote from: DB on May 29, 2015, 10:46:06 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 29, 2015, 08:02:11 PM

Quote from: Monty on May 29, 2015, 07:58:14 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 29, 2015, 07:51:05 PM

Quote from: DB on May 29, 2015, 07:44:22 PM

I like that Sky news banner is reporting on Benteke's buy out clause and nothing on the cup final......trying to make a story as they don't have the F.A. cup.

That's because we are not playing in the FA Cup final, Arsenal are. We're there to make up the numbers in some areas of the media. No problem, I hope we don't ruin things when we win it. We'll just sneak out the back with the trophy so we don't bother people too much.

Like fuck we will. We'll invade the Wembley pitch (bringing the game into disrepute, of course), Prince William being crowdsurfed with the Cup, which he'll hands to Tim who'll proceed to spray-paint the letters 'A V' on it in claret and blue.

I have to say I am interested to see when we do score and when we do win if the Prince can retain control of his emotions. Because the rest of us won't. I want him to go mental and then kiss Fabian's sweaty head as he hands him the trophy!

I think that Sky just want to have a juicy transfer 'story' to run over a quiet sporting summer.

To SKY Aston Villa = Christian Benteke and the only interest they have in him is which one of their favourite teams will buy him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on May 30, 2015, 07:58:02 PM

Ok Tim, over to you. Feel free to be ruthless. We finish 4th bottom because that's how good our players are. Rip it up and  start again.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: richard moore on May 30, 2015, 07:59:53 PM

Given that Benteke will probably go, I'd keep Clark, Baker, Grealish and Okore and wouldn't give a flying fig if the rest of them departed.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 30, 2015, 08:02:57 PM

Massive summer ahead.

Downer of a cup final performance and we lose Vlaar, Benteke and Cleverley all in one go....

We've barely avoided relegation in last three years, we really can't afford to plug those gaps with lower league replacements imo,

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on May 30, 2015, 08:03:32 PM

Quote from: richard moore on May 30, 2015, 07:59:53 PM

Given that Benteke will probably go, I'd keep Clark, Baker, Grealish and Okore and wouldn't give a flying fig if the rest of them departed.

He wasn't at his best today but we wouldn't have been at Wembley today without Delph.

Or in the Premier League anymore.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: richard moore on May 30, 2015, 08:05:02 PM

Quote from: Dave on May 30, 2015, 08:03:32 PM

Quote from: richard moore on May 30, 2015, 07:59:53 PM

Given that Benteke will probably go, I'd keep Clark, Baker, Grealish and Okore and wouldn't give a flying fig if the rest of them departed.

He wasn't at his best today but we wouldn't have been at Wembley today without Delph.

Or in the Premier League anymore.

Oh yes, and Delph, sorry, knew I'd forget someone, I am just mentally exhausted

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 30, 2015, 08:11:32 PM

When we play only one way to Benteke I wonder if selling him forces us to play another way? Do we take the £35m or whatever it is or will Sherwood realize that crossing to Benteke exclusively is such a limited strategy?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Kevin_Brum12 on May 30, 2015, 08:18:50 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 30, 2015, 08:11:32 PM

When we play only one way to Benteke I wonder if selling him forces us to play another way? Do we take the £35m or whatever it is or will Sherwood realize that crossing to Benteke exclusively is such a limited strategy?

Given the mess we are in I think I would take the £35 million and use it to strengthen the squad, although to get to the higher levels of the league that is chicken feed.  However, given the performance today and the last few games would anyone want to pay £35 million for him?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 30, 2015, 08:43:23 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 30, 2015, 08:11:32 PM

When we play only one way to Benteke I wonder if selling him forces us to play another way? Do we take the £35m or whatever it is or will Sherwood realize that crossing to Benteke exclusively is such a limited strategy?

Depends who his replacement is, if it's Charlie Austin he scores a lot from crosses aswell.

We need more creativity and pace all over the pitch. Look at the difference to when we broke today to Arsenal, our player was so static and pedestrian. We're not a good counter attacking team anymore, at least against decent teams.

As good as the middle trio have done in recent months, they'll be games when we need a lot more creatvity from the centre of the pitch. Grealish can't do it all on his own and to me it would be a waste if we let Gil go.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on May 30, 2015, 10:49:31 PM

If/when Benteke goes there's obviously going to be a big reaction to it. I won't like it either but there's a big job to be done this summer. Even if Austin was his replacement, there would still be £20m + whatever is already available to spend on the rest of the squad. We need to sort the defence out and ensure that there's enough creativity and goals in the side that we don't become a tactic team.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on May 30, 2015, 10:56:33 PM

Didier Drogba = Winner
1 last season before he bows out.

Its players with premier league and big game experience that are needed.

Full backs Micah Richards and Glenn Johnson
Defenders - Jonny Evans Younes Kaboul
Midfielders -Nigel De Jong  Rafael Van der vaart both out of contract free
Strikers Javier Hernandez , Ings and Drogba


If we sold Benteke then buy Ings, Hernandez ,Obi Mikel,  Matt Phillips, Sigurdsson, Walters,George Boyd, Charlie Adam and Kevin Nolan to add to midfield as all offer proven goal threat boost.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on May 30, 2015, 10:58:11 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on May 30, 2015, 10:56:33 PM

If we sold Benteke then buy Ings, Hernandez ,Obi Mikel,  Matt Phillips, Sigurdsson, Walters,George Boyd, Charlie Adam and Kevin Nolan to add to midfield as all offer proven goal threat boost.

Wow, you've excelled yourself there.

Possibly even better than Altidore, Spearing and Jason Scotland from previous summers.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: richl on May 30, 2015, 11:06:25 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on May 30, 2015, 10:56:33 PM

Didier Drogba = Winner
1 last season before he bows out.

Its players with premier league and big game experience that are needed.

Full backs Micah Richards and Glenn Johnson
Defenders - Jonny Evans Younes Kaboul
Midfielders -Nigel De Jong  Rafael Van der vaart both out of contract free
Strikers Javier Hernandez , Ings and Drogba


If we sold Benteke then buy Ings, Hernandez ,Obi Mikel,  Matt Phillips, Sigurdsson, Walters,George Boyd, Charlie Adam and Kevin Nolan to add to midfield as all offer proven goal threat boost.

Will you please stop talking fucking bollocks

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on May 30, 2015, 11:06:29 PM

Yes, we should just click our fingers and our transfer business will be done just like that. It's so easy I don't know why nobody thought of it before.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: richard moore on May 30, 2015, 11:26:55 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on May 30, 2015, 10:56:33 PM

Didier Drogba = Winner
1 last season before he bows out.

Its players with premier league and big game experience that are needed.

Full backs Micah Richards and Glenn Johnson
Defenders - Jonny Evans Younes Kaboul
Midfielders -Nigel De Jong  Rafael Van der vaart both out of contract free
Strikers Javier Hernandez , Ings and Drogba


If we sold Benteke then buy Ings, Hernandez ,Obi Mikel,  Matt Phillips, Sigurdsson, Walters,George Boyd, Charlie Adam and Kevin Nolan to add to midfield as all offer proven goal threat boost.

I think you've sorted it! The good thing is that it won't be very difficult to sign any of them either, I could at least two or three of them here within the next month or so

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 30, 2015, 11:35:38 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on May 30, 2015, 10:56:33 PM

Didier Drogba = Winner
1 last season before he bows out.

Its players with premier league and big game experience that are needed.

Full backs Micah Richards and Glenn Johnson
Defenders - Jonny Evans Younes Kaboul
Midfielders -Nigel De Jong  Rafael Van der vaart both out of contract free
Strikers Javier Hernandez , Ings and Drogba


If we sold Benteke then buy Ings, Hernandez ,Obi Mikel,  Matt Phillips, Sigurdsson, Walters,George Boyd, Charlie Adam and Kevin Nolan to add to midfield as all offer proven goal threat boost.

Genuinely, are you on a wind up or something?

What a mix of the totally unrealistic and utterly fucking shit that is

Jonny Evans? Glen Johnson? The poster boy of Liverpool's decline? The one we last saw coming on and running around cluelessly against us in the semi final?

John Walters? Ings? The one Spurs are after, the one who will probably cost 15m? Mikel? With two years on his Chelsea contract, he's going to drop from 1st to 17th is he?

Javier Hernandez - the same one who has been on loan at Real Madrid? Don't you think he might have better options?

Kevin Fucking Nolan? The about to turn 33 Kevin Nolan?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 30, 2015, 11:55:23 PM

I'd soon have any of the Nolan sisters and Didier Six

Jay Spearing is a great shout though. When I say he's a great shout I mean in comparison to your latest batshit crazy suggestions.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: warleyboy on May 31, 2015, 12:55:39 AM

Quote from: OCD on May 30, 2015, 10:49:31 PM

If/when Benteke goes there's obviously going to be a big reaction to it. I won't like it either but there's a big job to be done this summer. Even if Austin was his replacement, there would still be £20m + whatever is already available to spend on the rest of the squad. We need to sort the defence out and ensure that there's enough creativity and goals in the side that we don't become a tactic team.

Why would there be 20mil, who said Tim would retain all that money, if any ?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Arsey on May 31, 2015, 08:21:27 AM

I'm guessing he meant 20mil left after buying Austin, which sounds about right.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on May 31, 2015, 08:38:35 AM

If Benteke goes, we need two new strikers. Kozak and Gabby will not be enough. Forget Wiemann, he's a goner.

The spine of the squad needs to improve. Keeper, centre back, defensive midfielder and a forward required. Two full backs would be a bonus too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ad@m on May 31, 2015, 09:51:25 AM

This may have already been covered but when Sherwood said he's told some senior players to look for new clubs who do we reckon he's talking about? Gabby, Vlaar, Hutton? Who else?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on May 31, 2015, 10:01:15 AM

based on yesterday all of them

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt C on May 31, 2015, 10:03:47 AM

Quote from: Ad@m on May 31, 2015, 09:51:25 AM

This may have already been covered but when Sherwood said he's told some senior players to look for new clubs who do we reckon he's talking about? Gabby, Vlaar, Hutton? Who else?

Most of those that have been out on loan, Weimann, Cissoko, Guzan maybe?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OzVilla on May 31, 2015, 10:08:32 AM

Quote from: Ad@m on May 31, 2015, 09:51:25 AM

This may have already been covered but when Sherwood said he's told some senior players to look for new clubs who do we reckon he's talking about? Gabby, Vlaar, Hutton? Who else?

Not Vlaar and maybe not even Gabby (although he should) but Weimann for certain, Gil, Cole, Senderos, Guzan, N'Zogbia, Luna, Helnius, Tonev (is he still with us), Sylla (is he still with us), Hutton, Cissoko, Herd, Lowton, ........fuck me it's a long list.

You look at the Club and you really have the hand it to Lambert - he's created a stinking pile and absolute shite for a squad hasn't he.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on May 31, 2015, 10:21:08 AM

Actually it is realistic players i mentions as senderos , cole and cleverly were brought in before. And having been linked with Rio Ferdinand, lambert, fletcher and lescott then my suggestions are actually realistic to this time.
So 33 year old Nolan would nt be a shock. Esp as west ham getting new boss players will be moved on
Anyone can link spurs or ex spurs players my suggestions based on out of contract, size of fee, fresh challenges, which is often better and closer than the garbage the internet and papers talk.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on May 31, 2015, 10:23:39 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on May 31, 2015, 10:21:08 AM

Actually it is realistic players i mentions as senderos , cole and cleverly were brought in before. And having been linked with Rio Ferdinand, lambert, fletcher and lescott then my suggestions are actually realistic to this time.
So 33 year old Nolan would nt be a shock. Esp as west ham getting new boss players will be moved on
Anyone can link spurs or ex spurs players my suggestions based on out of contract, size of fee, fresh challenges, which is often better and closer than the garbage the internet and papers talk.

What's Cleverley got to do with Kevin Nolan?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on May 31, 2015, 10:35:21 AM

Quote from: OzVilla on May 31, 2015, 10:08:32 AM

Quote from: Ad@m on May 31, 2015, 09:51:25 AM

This may have already been covered but when Sherwood said he's told some senior players to look for new clubs who do we reckon he's talking about? Gabby, Vlaar, Hutton? Who else?

Not Vlaar and maybe not even Gabby (although he should) but Weimann for certain, Gil, Cole, Senderos, Guzan, N'Zogbia, Luna, Helnius, Tonev (is he still with us), Sylla (is he still with us), Hutton, Cissoko, Herd, Lowton, ........fuck me it's a long list.

You look at the Club and you really have the hand it to Lambert - he's created a stinking pile and absolute shite for a squad hasn't he.

Very harsh on Lambert imo, with the budget he had I dont think his transfer dealings were that bad. The profit of selling Benteke will cover a lot of the squad filler/bargain basement buys he was forced to shop from. Guzan was a success story too that deserves a second chance.

Would like to see the following senior pros gone in the summer - Vlaar, Hutton (final straw yesterday), Cissokho, Nzogbia, Weimann, Gabby

Will be very hard to shift the likes of Given, Cole, Senderos with 12 months left on their deals, Given and Senderos are ok as backup players. Cole looks about 45 these days on the pitch

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Damo70 on May 31, 2015, 10:39:27 AM

Quote from: OzVilla on May 31, 2015, 10:08:32 AM

Quote from: Ad@m on May 31, 2015, 09:51:25 AM

This may have already been covered but when Sherwood said he's told some senior players to look for new clubs who do we reckon he's talking about? Gabby, Vlaar, Hutton? Who else?

Not Vlaar and maybe not even Gabby (although he should) but Weimann for certain, Gil, Cole, Senderos, Guzan, N'Zogbia, Luna, Helnius, Tonev (is he still with us), Sylla (is he still with us), Hutton, Cissoko, Herd, Lowton, ........fuck me it's a long list.

You look at the Club and you really have the hand it to Lambert - he's created a stinking pile and absolute shite for a squad hasn't he.

Apart from youngsters Bennett, Luna, Helanius, Tonev and Sylla are all out on loan aren't they? But thanks Oz, I'm glad I'm not the only one who has got a bit confused and lost track of some of our former managers signings.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 31, 2015, 11:36:31 AM

Let's be honest we clearly need to bring some quality into the club. But that doesn't look likely at the moment.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on May 31, 2015, 11:44:48 AM

Whatever we think will improve the club, we won't get them with pocket change, and if it's the Lerner policy to give Sherwood the Benteke money and nothing else, that's what it would be. So you have to replace the only player we've got who is even approaching world class, plus every other department, for thirty two million quid? I'm not saying that is Lerner's policy, but given he's banging on about retreating from his role even further, it stands a chance he's not going to start lavishing money on the club like. The Great Gatsby.

New owner, or we're probably going to be in the Championship in 365 days' time.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on May 31, 2015, 11:47:20 AM

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-eye-hull-city-5791507

N'doye?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 31, 2015, 11:52:31 AM

He needs to play the quality we have in the team, e.g. Gil, and not play dross, e.g. N'zogbia. Why would you stick with N'zogbia? What has he done? I don't know his stats since sherwood came in but how many assists has he made? Goals? It's ridiculous. In a number 10 position where your very remit is to create. And it's Sherwood who has stuck with him. I know it will be said 'well he played when we was winning', agreed, and he was still poor in a winning team in my opinion.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on May 31, 2015, 12:36:29 PM

can I just say, anyone on here and I mean anyone that writes stuff like ' I think theres a player in Nzogbia still' or 'Nzogbia's worth keeping' needs to go and watch rugby or find a new sport because football is one you know ziltch about

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ROBBO on May 31, 2015, 01:07:20 PM

There will be enough shit written over the next few weeks to fill a sewerage plant, someone should grab hold of Lerner and tell him that if he doesn't either sell or put decent money up for good players we will go down next season. Please Villa no more crappy lower league or has been players.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on May 31, 2015, 01:37:10 PM

Quote from: ROBBO on May 31, 2015, 01:07:20 PM

There will be enough shit written over the next few weeks to fill a sewerage plant, someone should grab hold of Lerner and tell him that if he doesn't either sell or put decent money up for good players we will go down next season. Please Villa no more crappy lower league or has been players.

Lerner wants to sell, he doesn't need anyone grabbing him
would you be happy to have a consortium who have had to borrow half the money to buy it, like the one headed by Adams
because I'm telling you things could get a whole lot worse

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on May 31, 2015, 01:48:54 PM

Quote from: john e on May 31, 2015, 01:37:10 PM

Quote from: ROBBO on May 31, 2015, 01:07:20 PM

There will be enough shit written over the next few weeks to fill a sewerage plant, someone should grab hold of Lerner and tell him that if he doesn't either sell or put decent money up for good players we will go down next season. Please Villa no more crappy lower league or has been players.

Lerner wants to sell, he doesn't need anyone grabbing him
would you be happy to have a consortium who have had to borrow half the money to buy it, like the one headed by Adams
because I'm telling you things could get a whole lot worse

This is it. I'd rather he takes his time and sells to the right people rather than the first who will just give him his money back.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on May 31, 2015, 01:53:46 PM

true, but principles don't come cheap; it's all well and good Lerner adhering to the line of only selling to those that only meet exacting financial standards and have a moral imperative to honour and respect the club's traditions , but in the interim, we are where we have been for four years - in total limbo. Agreed, money isn't the only factor that governs success -  look at Swansea etc., - but this club needs sustainable, wise investment, plenty of it, and fast.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Gareth on May 31, 2015, 01:56:38 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on May 30, 2015, 10:56:33 PM

Didier Drogba = Winner
1 last season before he bows out.

Its players with premier league and big game experience that are needed.

Full backs Micah Richards and Glenn Johnson
Defenders - Jonny Evans Younes Kaboul
Midfielders -Nigel De Jong  Rafael Van der vaart both out of contract free
Strikers Javier Hernandez , Ings and Drogba


If we sold Benteke then buy Ings, Hernandez ,Obi Mikel,  Matt Phillips, Sigurdsson, Walters,George Boyd, Charlie Adam and Kevin Nolan to add to midfield as all offer proven goal threat boost.

Response from Technical Support;
'You may need to apply the latest patch to your version of Football Manager 2015, your version has a bug in it'

Be interested where the extra 350-400k a week in wages would come from, financial fair play will not allow it

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on May 31, 2015, 02:03:39 PM

I don't think after his "performance" yesterday Nzogbia will be seen as a player again. Ghastly.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 31, 2015, 02:06:09 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 31, 2015, 02:03:39 PM

I don't think after his "performance" yesterday Nzogbia will be seen as a player again. Ghastly.

I still don't get how Gil playing on that side could possibly be a worse option? That whole thing is a complete mystery and unless there is a fantastic reason for Gil's absence it is a real negative on Sherwood's time at the club.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on May 31, 2015, 02:07:58 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 31, 2015, 02:03:39 PM

I don't think after his "performance" yesterday Nzogbia will be seen as a player again. Ghastly.

its not the first time those words have been written on here though

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on May 31, 2015, 02:09:33 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 31, 2015, 02:06:09 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 31, 2015, 02:03:39 PM

I don't think after his "performance" yesterday Nzogbia will be seen as a player again. Ghastly.

I still don't get how Gil playing on that side could possibly be a worse option? That whole thing is a complete mystery and unless there is a fantastic reason for Gil's absence it is a real negative on Sherwood's time at the club.

A bit like a lion talking over a pride, I reckon Sherwood saw Gil as Lambert last throw and as such must get rid.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 31, 2015, 02:11:11 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 31, 2015, 02:06:09 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 31, 2015, 02:03:39 PM

I don't think after his "performance" yesterday Nzogbia will be seen as a player again. Ghastly.

I still don't get how Gil playing on that side could possibly be a worse option? That whole thing is a complete mystery and unless there is a fantastic reason for Gil's absence it is a real negative on Sherwood's time at the club.

The only explanation I can think of is that Sherwood doesn't think he works hard enough off the ball.  I remember in the Stoke game, there were a couple of occasions where he failed to track back and it caused us problems.   

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on May 31, 2015, 02:16:56 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on May 31, 2015, 02:11:11 PM

The only explanation I can think of is that Sherwood doesn't think he works hard enough off the ball.  I remember in the Stoke game, there were a couple of occasions where he failed to track back and it caused us problems.   

That doesn't seem to be a factor when it comes to selecting Zog

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on May 31, 2015, 02:20:42 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 31, 2015, 02:03:39 PM

I don't think after his "performance" yesterday Nzogbia will be seen as a player again. Ghastly.

Gil would've been ten times more effective than N'Zogbia. I recall Gil against Chelsea at home, he was magic that day and looked a class above the others.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 31, 2015, 02:20:59 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on May 31, 2015, 01:53:46 PM

true, but principles don't come cheap; it's all well and good Lerner adhering to the line of only selling to those that only meet exacting financial standards and have a moral imperative to honour and respect the club's traditions , but in the interim, we are where we have been for four years - in total limbo. Agreed, money isn't the only factor that governs success -  look at Swansea etc., - but this club needs sustainable, wise investment, plenty of it, and fast.

But the last line of your post - which I agree with entirely - is at odds with the start of it. If it just about selling to whoever comes up with the asking price there's no guarantee we'd get that investment?

What if new owners load the cost of purchase into the club as debt? What if the first person to agree to the price is another Carson Yeung?

I too want him to sell up and go, but not if it involves selling to some sort of dodgy shyster.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 31, 2015, 02:51:56 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on May 31, 2015, 02:16:56 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on May 31, 2015, 02:11:11 PM

The only explanation I can think of is that Sherwood doesn't think he works hard enough off the ball.  I remember in the Stoke game, there were a couple of occasions where he failed to track back and it caused us problems.   

That doesn't seem to be a factor when it comes to selecting Zog

Again I don't know, but I guess he sees N'Zogbia as more of a striker in the current set up as he has a bit of pace.  Grealish is playing in the role Gil would play.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on May 31, 2015, 02:57:08 PM

I was at the Burnley game last week and asked my son, what exactly does N'Zogbia  bring to this team?  I know he was played out of position but when he got forward into his more natural position his inability to cross the ball and failure to beat his man was more than evident.  I remarked the same to Cheltenhamlion after the game.

BTW, greetings from the ferry half way across the Irish Sea.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 31, 2015, 03:00:18 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on May 31, 2015, 02:11:11 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 31, 2015, 02:06:09 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 31, 2015, 02:03:39 PM

I don't think after his "performance" yesterday Nzogbia will be seen as a player again. Ghastly.

I still don't get how Gil playing on that side could possibly be a worse option? That whole thing is a complete mystery and unless there is a fantastic reason for Gil's absence it is a real negative on Sherwood's time at the club.

The only explanation I can think of is that Sherwood doesn't think he works hard enough off the ball.  I remember in the Stoke game, there were a couple of occasions where he failed to track back and it caused us problems.   

But couldn't that be said about their players too? I know he didn't play well that day and was withdrawn but ultimately that's just a conversation between the two at the next training session. Maybe Gil acted a certain way after that and has been left to rot. Which is not only a real shame but stupid on the managers part not to reintegrate him. I don't really buy this he's been dropped because he was Lambert's last throw of the dice because he played in that Stoke game, he came on vs Albion and he has been on the bench every so often until he fell off the face of the map.

I'm only hoping that a couple of things ring true. That Sherwood said that he was looking for certain characters for the relegation fight and it would be different next season, and then yesterday when he said he is going to try and change the playing style to involve players that haven't played. Maybe, Gil still has a Villa career of that is the case.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 31, 2015, 03:05:44 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on May 31, 2015, 11:47:20 AM

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-eye-hull-city-5791507

N'doye?

One paper today has linked us with Tom Carroll.  The same Tom Carroll who hasn't featured much on loan at Swansea this season and they are reportedly not going to sign as a result. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: David_Nab on May 31, 2015, 03:06:14 PM

Quote from: dave shelley on May 31, 2015, 02:57:08 PM

I was at the Burnley game last week and asked my son, what exactly does N'Zogbia  bring to this team?  I know he was played out of position but when he got forward into his more natural position his inability to cross the ball and failure to beat his man was more than evident.  I remarked the same to Cheltenhamlion after the game.

BTW, greetings from the ferry half way across the Irish Sea.

Both N'zogbia and Richardson as players who have played as attackers ,when at LB have been completely woeful in an attacking sense.Neither one of them can stick a decent cross in

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on May 31, 2015, 03:27:43 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on May 31, 2015, 03:05:44 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on May 31, 2015, 11:47:20 AM

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-eye-hull-city-5791507

N'doye?

One paper today has linked us with Tom Carroll.  The same Tom Carroll who hasn't featured much on loan at Swansea this season and they are reportedly not going to sign as a result. 

If we replace Cleverley and Benteke with N'doye and Carroll we will be relegated.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on May 31, 2015, 03:50:29 PM

Ndoye looks a decent striker in fairness. Him and Austin might well make a good pairing to. Tim will look to go to 4-4-2 at some point I am sure with a diamond with Grealish at the top.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 31, 2015, 03:59:56 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 31, 2015, 03:50:29 PM

Ndoye looks a decent striker in fairness. Him and Austin might well make a good pairing to. Tim will look to go to 4-4-2 at some point I am sure with a diamond with Grealish at the top.

The diamond was working well so I think he'll go back to that too as a preferred formation. We haven't look anything as effective with this two "number 10" system. It seems to restrict Grealish, offers no real width and N'Zog simply isn't mobile/effective/creative enough in that role.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Exeter 77 on May 31, 2015, 04:12:44 PM

A midfield diamond requires very disciplined attacking full backs to provide width as well as a defensive midfielder who is prepared to cover at full back when one if them goes forward.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on May 31, 2015, 06:12:25 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 31, 2015, 03:59:56 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 31, 2015, 03:50:29 PM

Ndoye looks a decent striker in fairness. Him and Austin might well make a good pairing to. Tim will look to go to 4-4-2 at some point I am sure with a diamond with Grealish at the top.

The diamond was working well so I think he'll go back to that too as a preferred formation. We haven't look anything as effective with this two "number 10" system. It seems to restrict Grealish, offers no real width and N'Zog simply isn't mobile/effective/creative enough in that role.

Going by Sherwood's comments, he wants to have multiple ways of being able to set-up the team. He needs that too, we've become so predictable in the last few weeks.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 31, 2015, 06:29:23 PM

That's fine by me. We should be able to go into any game with a plan for that opponent. That's how the squad should be used.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Nelson Lodge on May 31, 2015, 07:17:22 PM

Only 5 short weeks before the players report back for pre-season training on 6th July. This close season is too short to complete all that needs to be done. Fox or whoever needs to get a move on with TS' shopping list. None or little time for management to take a break. Little time for injured players to fully recover. Then has TS got the right people in the key assistants and coaching roles. Time will tell.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on June 01, 2015, 09:26:16 AM

Does that Times article today suggest which players Sherwood told to look for a new club?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Smoke on June 01, 2015, 09:42:21 AM

from what Sherwoods said it's clear atleast one of the people who's out of contract this summer will not be getting an extension.

Who's contracts are up?

Vlaar
Cleverley
?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 01, 2015, 09:42:22 AM

Linked to James Chester and Callum Wilson this am. Chester seems a decent defender and Wilson a very good prospect up front but would cost a fair bit.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on June 01, 2015, 09:44:02 AM

Quote from: Smoke on June 01, 2015, 09:42:21 AM

from what Sherwoods said it's clear atleast one of the people who's out of contract this summer will not be getting an extension.

Who's contracts are up?

Vlaar
Cleverley
?

DB9TT?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on June 01, 2015, 09:45:11 AM

I can't for the life of me seeing Bournemouth selling anybody they want to keep in a hurry.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 01, 2015, 10:03:11 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 01, 2015, 09:42:22 AM

Linked to James Chester and Callum Wilson this am. Chester seems a decent defender and Wilson a very good prospect up front but would cost a fair bit.

Having seen him play for Wales quite a few times, James Chester is a good player.  My one concern would be that he is not the physically dominant centre half we need, but he is a good defender and is comfortable on the ball.  I would say that he is a similar player to Clark, but possibly better.  I can't really see Wilson leaving Bournemouth, but I think he is from the West Midlands and might fancy a move back home.   

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on June 01, 2015, 10:09:05 AM

I will be most annoyed if Carles Gil is one of the players told to leave......I can see him ending up at a rival club and haunting us over the coming seasons.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 01, 2015, 10:12:28 AM

Me too. My old man said this am someone like Swansea will have him for 3 million and he will be a star. Sherwoods disguarding of him worries me more than his tactics to be honest.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 01, 2015, 10:31:51 AM

I read someone saying he's heard
Cisshoko
Nzog
Agbonlahor
Weimann
Baker
Lowton
Bacuna
Herd
Stevens
Guzan
Senderos
Kozak

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 01, 2015, 10:34:05 AM

Everyone assumes there's no place for Gil because he's not been in the squad but neither has Sinclair. Sherwood has commented that he needs to bring in other players so that we can play in different styles that will allow him to use the likes of Sinclair. So it's not a foregone conclusion that Gil will be sold - it's really up to the lad to show the right attitude in training.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 01, 2015, 10:46:39 AM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on June 01, 2015, 10:31:51 AM

I read someone saying he's heard
Cisshoko
Nzog
Agbonlahor
Weimann
Baker
Lowton
Bacuna
Herd
Stevens
Guzan
Senderos
Kozak

I'd be surprised if Bacuna is on that list. He may want to get rid of some dead wood but he can't replace everyone - Bacuna has versatility too.
In fact I'm sure that's rubbish.

Letting Agbonlahor go would be a big statement and I hope he does.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 01, 2015, 10:51:01 AM

would agree with most on that list going with the exception of Kozak and Bacuna. didn't Gabby get a new 4 year deal when Lambert got his? Might prove tricky in that case to get rid but agree with those who think his time at VP is up, or should be.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 01, 2015, 10:53:16 AM

All this talk of letting people go, regardless of who people think should go, how are we going to achieve this? We want rid of players because they've not been good enough, so I can hardly see anyone banging down the door to sign them. We can't afford to just pay players contracts up either. So other than the ones who are out of contract I don't see how we're going to clear the decks.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villasjf on June 01, 2015, 10:55:50 AM

Quote from: Tom_Mc9 on June 01, 2015, 09:44:02 AM

Quote from: Smoke on June 01, 2015, 09:42:21 AM

from what Sherwoods said it's clear atleast one of the people who's out of contract this summer will not be getting an extension.

Who's contracts are up?

Vlaar
Cleverley
?

DB9TT?

Herd

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 01, 2015, 10:55:50 AM

Of that list, I don't think he will let Gabby, Baker, Bacuna or Kozak leave.

Cissoko, N'Zogbia, Weimann, Lowton, Herd, Stevens, Guzan and Senderos are all likely to be going.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 01, 2015, 11:15:00 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 01, 2015, 10:53:16 AM

All this talk of letting people go, regardless of who people think should go, how are we going to achieve this? We want rid of players because they've not been good enough, so I can hardly see anyone banging down the door to sign them. We can't afford to just pay players contracts up either. So other than the ones who are out of contract I don't see how we're going to clear the decks.

I think we should make them train with the under 8s and pretend they don't exist anymore.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on June 01, 2015, 11:17:55 AM

Quote from: OCD on June 01, 2015, 10:55:50 AM

Of that list, I don't think he will let Gabby, Baker, Bacuna or Kozak leave.

Cissoko, N'Zogbia, Weimann, Lowton, Herd, Stevens, Guzan and Senderos are all likely to be going.

If Kozak is struggling to get fit that one would make sense, would be a shame because I liked him as a player but up until 20 years ago that was a career ending injury so coming back was always going to be tough, add the complications and it's possible that the club just don't think he's got the desire to play at this level any more.

Bacuna would be the only one that I'd be surprised by but even he has developed a bad habit of stopping and trying to square his man up rather than trying to get round players with his pace which causes his corssing positions to be too deep more often than not which makes them easier for the keeper to deal with.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OzVilla on June 01, 2015, 11:22:22 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 01, 2015, 10:53:16 AM

All this talk of letting people go, regardless of who people think should go, how are we going to achieve this? We want rid of players because they've not been good enough, so I can hardly see anyone banging down the door to sign them. We can't afford to just pay players contracts up either. So other than the ones who are out of contract I don't see how we're going to clear the decks.

I think the promoted clubs would be keen on a few. Weimann to Watford from his time there previously for example, Bournemouth need some PL experience too, then top half Championship would be their level.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 01, 2015, 11:26:05 AM

I'm sorry but letting out of 12 players AND replacing them is somewhat unrealistic. Especially as any continuity would be ruined. That list doesn't even include tonev or helenius which would make 14!!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OzVilla on June 01, 2015, 11:28:56 AM

Continuity. Most of them can't get a game as they're flippin useless.

If I had my way they'd be a damn sight more than 12 on their bikes.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 01, 2015, 11:30:11 AM

Releasing vast swathes of players with little or nothing in return financially will ruin us. Obviously in theory it would be nice to get rid of the dross(if we could) and replace them with quality. But that requires two things, the first being that if they're under contract then somebody needs to want to sign them. The second being we'd actually need a lot of spending power. I can't see either of those things happening.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 01, 2015, 11:30:19 AM

Ambitious but we could do with seeing 10 out and maybe 7 quality players come in.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dekko on June 01, 2015, 11:32:04 AM

I wouldn't be upset to see many of them go, but with money tight enough as it is, I can't see us being able to buy a whole new squad like we would if that list is correct.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Gerrin on June 01, 2015, 11:33:26 AM

I'd be very disappointed if he gets rid of Guzan, he's one of the best keepers in the Prem. Given is terrible, doesn't give the defence any confidence stuck on his line.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: phantom limb on June 01, 2015, 11:36:20 AM

We do need a proper squad, what with injuries and such. I think we only need to definitely get rid of the players who are complete lost causes.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OzVilla on June 01, 2015, 11:39:33 AM

From that list I'd be keeping Baker, Bacuna, Lowton and Guzan.

Add to the wish list of departures, Given, Tonev*, Luna*, Helnius*, Sylla* and Bennett.

* I'm assuming they're technically still Villa players.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 01, 2015, 11:42:05 AM

Guzan should be kept and be number 1 but then Gil should have had more that 60 minutes game time since Sherwood arrived.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 01, 2015, 11:43:43 AM

Quote from: Villafirst on June 01, 2015, 10:09:05 AM

I will be most annoyed if Carles Gil is one of the players told to leave......I can see him ending up at a rival club and haunting us over the coming seasons.

Unfortunately Sherwood seemed to have a problem with soldado, lamela and eriksen at spurs. Gil is in the same quality and non english .There's a video interview harry kane and christen eriksen thoughts on Tim Sherwood after 3-1 win over Fulham. Eriksen gives a diplomatic response to be asked his thoughts on Tim. I imagine as Sherwood never played abroad he couldn't grasp the difference and time it may take a player off field to adapt and his old school management will see us sign players not of that flair variety. Esp if they haven't already performed in prem like Charles ' i watched his goals at wigan 'nzogbia. Fair play to nzog who got his head down with extra training and got fit to get in team but think he got complacent when he became a Sherwood starter we be seen his performances tail off.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TimTheVillain on June 01, 2015, 12:18:29 PM

There must surely be a plan a and a plan b.

We are up for sale and ( fingers crossed) will be purchased this summer and that will change the dynamics - plan b.

Let us hope.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 01, 2015, 01:01:02 PM

Quote from: TimTheVillain on June 01, 2015, 12:18:29 PM

There must surely be a plan a and a plan b.

We are up for sale and ( fingers crossed) will be purchased this summer and that will change the dynamics - plan b.

Let us hope.

If you haven't read the Lerner interview, I'd read it. He clearly states how he dealt with the situation last year and its pretty much the same.
If we are not sold I'd expect limited transfers but we should be better off because we are without Lambert.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 01, 2015, 04:53:27 PM

Rip it up and start again. Keep Delph, Grealish and Clark, and now Sinclair. The rest, I wouldn't lose any sleep over if they went, didn't sign a new contract or sign for the club having been here on loan. The Benteke money is probably the only hope Tish has got to overhaul the squad. Don't hold your breath for loads of Lerner lolly.  Some of the rest are average, many are below average, hence the four relegation scraps in four years. Some are downright crap.  Tish has done a decent job so far in keeping us up but he really has his work cut out.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: David_Nab on June 01, 2015, 05:10:31 PM

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11644136/Liverpool-transfer-news-Christian-Benteke-will-not-issue-Aston-Villa-with-transfer-request.html

Quote

As well as Carles Gil, Andreas Weimann and Philippe Senderos, Aly Cissokho, Matthew Lowton, Brad Guzan, Shay Given and Joe Cole, Sherwood is understood to be willing to let Nathan Baker, Kieran Richardson and Alan Hutton leave Villa Park this summer.

Quite the list and we still have Bennet / Sylla / Tonev /Helenius to shift

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on June 01, 2015, 05:14:32 PM

Quote from: David_Nab on June 01, 2015, 05:10:31 PM

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11644136/Liverpool-transfer-news-Christian-Benteke-will-not-issue-Aston-Villa-with-transfer-request.html

Quote

As well as Carles Gil, Andreas Weimann and Philippe Senderos, Aly Cissokho, Matthew Lowton, Brad Guzan, Shay Given and Joe Cole, Sherwood is understood to be willing to let Nathan Baker, Kieran Richardson and Alan Hutton leave Villa Park this summer.

Quite the list and we still have Bennet / Sylla / Tonev /Helenius to shift

I can't believe Sherwood would be stupid enough to list the players on his 'exit' list ... pure speculation

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on June 01, 2015, 05:19:13 PM

Quote from: David_Nab on June 01, 2015, 05:10:31 PM

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11644136/Liverpool-transfer-news-Christian-Benteke-will-not-issue-Aston-Villa-with-transfer-request.html

Quote

As well as Carles Gil, Andreas Weimann and Philippe Senderos, Aly Cissokho, Matthew Lowton, Brad Guzan, Shay Given and Joe Cole, Sherwood is understood to be willing to let Nathan Baker, Kieran Richardson and Alan Hutton leave Villa Park this summer.

Quite the list and we still have Bennet / Sylla / Tonev /Helenius to shift

Unless they are coming back to the club!!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frank black on June 01, 2015, 05:29:53 PM

Apparently there will be a few changes but no major surgery.

Which I agree with. Get in a quality left back, centre half and a striker. That'll get us to mid table IMO.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Le Lapin on June 01, 2015, 06:56:07 PM

Would be pissed off if Cleverley ended up Everton. We have helped him find his mojo only for Everton to be the beneficiaries. It has been reported that he is in talks with Everton.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on June 01, 2015, 07:01:14 PM

Quote from: Le Lapin on June 01, 2015, 06:56:07 PM

Would be pissed off if Cleverley ended up Everton. We have helped him find his mojo only for Everton to be the beneficiaries. It has been reported that he is in talks with Everton.

Im not sure how bothered I am with this rumour, his six or seven excellent games have been book ended by thirty odd average ones.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard E on June 01, 2015, 07:03:39 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on June 01, 2015, 07:01:14 PM

Quote from: Le Lapin on June 01, 2015, 06:56:07 PM

Would be pissed off if Cleverley ended up Everton. We have helped him find his mojo only for Everton to be the beneficiaries. It has been reported that he is in talks with Everton.

Im not sure how bothered I am with this rumour, his six or seven excellent games have been book ended by thirty odd average ones.

Average is quite generous for a lot of those, too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 01, 2015, 07:04:58 PM

Quote from: Newby on June 01, 2015, 04:53:27 PM

Tish has done a decent job so far in keeping us up but he really has his work cut out.

I went out with a Tish (short for Itisha). She did a magnificent job in keeping me up.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 01, 2015, 08:10:01 PM

Good for you Percy 😎

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Le Lapin on June 01, 2015, 09:25:40 PM

Ay caramba!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 01, 2015, 10:58:37 PM

Daily Mail reporting that we are in for Trippier, which if we could pull off would be an excellent start to the summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 01, 2015, 11:10:19 PM

I agree, 3m for him would be good business.

Would assume Lowton and probably Hutton will leave. I'd still be tempted to go with Bacuna more often than not for home games unless Sherwood is planning to move him back into midfield next season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 01, 2015, 11:13:21 PM

I've mentioned it elsewhere but anyone think if Liverpool sign Benteke they might try to send us Origi for a season.

I think people were getting a bit excited by him at the World cup as his french league record is nothing special at all.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 01, 2015, 11:19:20 PM

This the Origi that was put in the writers worst team of the league in France last season? Can't hardly wait!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 01, 2015, 11:20:59 PM

Well Brenton's spunked 10m on him so he'll end up somewhere....

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 01, 2015, 11:58:26 PM

Whether it's Cleverley, Benteke or anyone else...if they do decide they want to go elsewhere, fuck 'em. Nobody's bigger than the club and nobody's irreplaceable. We'll find somebody who does want to be with us.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on June 02, 2015, 12:06:41 AM

Quote from: OCD on June 01, 2015, 11:58:26 PM

Whether it's Cleverley, Benteke or anyone else...if they do decide they want to go elsewhere, fuck 'em. Nobody's bigger than the club and nobody's irreplaceable. We'll find somebody who does want to be with us.

and the last time that happened with Barry, Milner, Young and Downing?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on June 02, 2015, 12:20:55 AM

Quote from: OCD on June 01, 2015, 11:58:26 PM

Whether it's Cleverley, Benteke or anyone else...if they do decide they want to go elsewhere, fuck 'em. Nobody's bigger than the club and nobody's irreplaceable. We'll find somebody who does want to be with us.

Totally agree.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Smirker on June 02, 2015, 12:21:01 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 01, 2015, 07:04:58 PM

Quote from: Newby on June 01, 2015, 04:53:27 PM

Tish has done a decent job so far in keeping us up but he really has his work cut out.

I went out with a Tish (short for Itisha). She did a magnificent job in keeping me up.

haha

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on June 02, 2015, 12:35:20 AM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on June 02, 2015, 12:20:55 AM

Quote from: OCD on June 01, 2015, 11:58:26 PM

Whether it's Cleverley, Benteke or anyone else...if they do decide they want to go elsewhere, fuck 'em. Nobody's bigger than the club and nobody's irreplaceable. We'll find somebody who does want to be with us.

Totally agree.

It is far easier to sell a player than to buy a replacement, particularly after you have finished 17th.  In our position we should try our best to keep our better players.  We cannot afford to cut off our nose to spite our face.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on June 02, 2015, 01:34:14 AM

Quote from: old man villa fan on June 02, 2015, 12:35:20 AM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on June 02, 2015, 12:20:55 AM

Quote from: OCD on June 01, 2015, 11:58:26 PM

Whether it's Cleverley, Benteke or anyone else...if they do decide they want to go elsewhere, fuck 'em. Nobody's bigger than the club and nobody's irreplaceable. We'll find somebody who does want to be with us.

Totally agree.

It is far easier to sell a player than to buy a replacement, particularly after you have finished 17th.  In our position we should try our best to keep our better players.  We cannot afford to cut off our nose to spite our face.

Key bit being 'if they do decide they want to go elsewhere'

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on June 02, 2015, 02:02:14 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 01, 2015, 10:58:37 PM

Daily Mail reporting that we are in for Trippier, which if we could pull off would be an excellent start to the summer.

Dont know if Trippier is any good but apparently has a £3.5m trigger release fee.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 02, 2015, 05:26:45 AM

talking of which, rumours that 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' won't/can't meet Benteke's release fee

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 02, 2015, 06:47:53 AM

I definitely want cleverley. I've not heard a single suggestion of a better value option

Would buy two Fwds to replace benteke and weimann - or get one on loan

One more attacking midfielder

And a left back and young keeper

Tripper is better than what we have  and I'd take him for £3.5m, but the positions above are bigger priorities for me.

I hope sherwood doesn't go too far down the young and hungry route. We need a mix.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 02, 2015, 07:01:29 AM

We're being linked with James Chester. Can't say I've ever really noticed him. Mirror suggesting £10m which must be a joke surely?

Any views?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 02, 2015, 07:03:28 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on June 02, 2015, 07:01:29 AM

We're being linked with James Chester. Can't say I've ever really noticed him. Mirror suggesting £10m which must be a joke surely?

Any views?

Decent defender. Goal scoring was Hulls problem. I can't see us paying that for a centre back however.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 02, 2015, 07:06:38 AM

One bonus. We do have those Bent wages freeing up. Thats a pretty big chunk to pay someone else. Give half of it to tekkers for a start.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 02, 2015, 09:59:10 AM

Quote from: old man villa fan on June 02, 2015, 12:35:20 AM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on June 02, 2015, 12:20:55 AM

Quote from: OCD on June 01, 2015, 11:58:26 PM

Whether it's Cleverley, Benteke or anyone else...if they do decide they want to go elsewhere, fuck 'em. Nobody's bigger than the club and nobody's irreplaceable. We'll find somebody who does want to be with us.

Totally agree.

It is far easier to sell a player than to buy a replacement, particularly after you have finished 17th.  In our position we should try our best to keep our better players.  We cannot afford to cut off our nose to spite our face.

Agree.

We're all angry still at events last weekend, and disappointed from the whole season, but some of the suggestions that we sell and replace up to a dozen players are a bit over the top, I think. That's a massive, massive churn of players, I can't see us shifting anything like that many.

If we are going to try to make changes on that scale, or any scale for that matter, we should be starting with the ones that clearly aren't good enough.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 02, 2015, 10:00:50 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on June 02, 2015, 06:47:53 AM

I definitely want cleverley. I've not heard a single suggestion of a better value option

Would buy two Fwds to replace benteke and weimann - or get one on loan

One more attacking midfielder

And a left back and young keeper

Tripper is better than what we have  and I'd take him for £3.5m, but the positions above are bigger priorities for me.

I hope sherwood doesn't go too far down the young and hungry route. We need a mix.

Isn't that what Steer is?

I know we've seen bits of him here and there, but enough to write him off?

Surely we need a proven, starting keeper to replace Given and Guzan?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 02, 2015, 10:03:45 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 02, 2015, 09:59:10 AM

Quote from: old man villa fan on June 02, 2015, 12:35:20 AM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on June 02, 2015, 12:20:55 AM

Quote from: OCD on June 01, 2015, 11:58:26 PM

Whether it's Cleverley, Benteke or anyone else...if they do decide they want to go elsewhere, fuck 'em. Nobody's bigger than the club and nobody's irreplaceable. We'll find somebody who does want to be with us.

Totally agree.

It is far easier to sell a player than to buy a replacement, particularly after you have finished 17th.  In our position we should try our best to keep our better players.  We cannot afford to cut off our nose to spite our face.

Agree.

We're all angry still at events last weekend, and disappointed from the whole season, but some of the suggestions that we sell and replace up to a dozen players are a bit over the top, I think. That's a massive, massive churn of players, I can't see us shifting anything like that many.

If we are going to try to make changes on that scale, or any scale for that matter, we should be starting with the ones that clearly aren't good enough.

I agree. The thing is the bargain basement approach to purchasing over the last few years means that we can't repair the damage in one summer. It's going to take a while whatever we do. We can't just get rid of half the squad and replace it that's not realistic. What's critical is that we keep the best players we have as a core to build around. Ok Benteke may go, but if he does we need to be very smart with how we spend that money.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Lobsterboy on June 02, 2015, 10:23:01 AM

Unfortunately the three players Sherwood has said he wants to retain and/or build a team around (Benteke, Cleverley and Vlaar) seem the three most likely to not be here...

We have so much rubbish in the squad that doesn't even make our match day 18 that we have to get rid of it is absolutely frightening the amount of work to be done to even turn us into a decent mid table team.

Not sure how many of the likes of Herd, Helenius, Tonev, Sylla, Stevens, Bennett and Luna are at the end of their contracts but I am hoping most of them as I don't see us being inundated with offers for any of them

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dr Butler on June 02, 2015, 10:25:38 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 02, 2015, 10:00:50 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on June 02, 2015, 06:47:53 AM

I definitely want cleverley. I've not heard a single suggestion of a better value option

Would buy two Fwds to replace benteke and weimann - or get one on loan

One more attacking midfielder

And a left back and young keeper

Tripper is better than what we have  and I'd take him for £3.5m, but the positions above are bigger priorities for me.

I hope sherwood doesn't go too far down the young and hungry route. We need a mix.

Isn't that what Steer is?

I know we've seen bits of him here and there, but enough to write him off?

Surely we need a proven, starting keeper to replace Given and Guzan?

Tom Heaton from Burnley as our keeper would be a good buy....

UTV
The Doc

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 02, 2015, 10:27:12 AM

He was excellent against us, but again, I fear he's going to have better options than us.

That's one of the things about 17th. You don't look as appealing as you might otherwise do.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Monty on June 02, 2015, 10:39:28 AM

If we have over £30m to spend - which we may well do, especially if Benteke goes - then I wouldn't like to see us sign more than five players, and preferably four, with that kind of money. We need to upgrade the first team, and there are current members of that first team who would still be useful as squad players and don't need to be sold.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Lobsterboy on June 02, 2015, 10:43:55 AM

Quote from: Monty on June 02, 2015, 10:39:28 AM

If we have over £30m to spend - which we may well do, especially if Benteke goes - then I wouldn't like to see us sign more than five players, and preferably four, with that kind of money. We need to upgrade the first team, and there are current members of that first team who would still be useful as squad players and don't need to be sold.

I agree; not sure why people seem to want to sell most of the first team! The likes of Bacuna, Baker, Westwood, Agbonlahor, Richardson and Hutton are all useful squad players for me

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: J on June 02, 2015, 11:18:53 AM

I don't see why people want rid of Guzan either. He's not been at his best lately but he was excellent last season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on June 02, 2015, 11:29:58 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 02, 2015, 10:00:50 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on June 02, 2015, 06:47:53 AM

I definitely want cleverley. I've not heard a single suggestion of a better value option

Would buy two Fwds to replace benteke and weimann - or get one on loan

One more attacking midfielder

And a left back and young keeper

Tripper is better than what we have  and I'd take him for £3.5m, but the positions above are bigger priorities for me.

I hope sherwood doesn't go too far down the young and hungry route. We need a mix.

Isn't that what Steer is?

I know we've seen bits of him here and there, but enough to write him off?

Surely we need a proven, starting keeper to replace Given and Guzan?

Is Guzan really that bad?  He may have lost some confidence but he's still a decent keeper.  Are we going to get anyone much better at our current level?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 02, 2015, 11:34:36 AM

Quote from: chrisw1 on June 02, 2015, 11:29:58 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 02, 2015, 10:00:50 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on June 02, 2015, 06:47:53 AM

I definitely want cleverley. I've not heard a single suggestion of a better value option

Would buy two Fwds to replace benteke and weimann - or get one on loan

One more attacking midfielder

And a left back and young keeper

Tripper is better than what we have  and I'd take him for £3.5m, but the positions above are bigger priorities for me.

I hope sherwood doesn't go too far down the young and hungry route. We need a mix.

Isn't that what Steer is?

I know we've seen bits of him here and there, but enough to write him off?

Surely we need a proven, starting keeper to replace Given and Guzan?

Is Guzan really that bad?  He may have lost some confidence but he's still a decent keeper.  Are we going to get anyone much better at our current level?

Sorry, post was a badly worded re needing a keeper, I'm talking in the sense of "if we are going to buy a keeper".

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 02, 2015, 11:49:30 AM

I did wonder where Liverpool had suddenly got 32.5M from, when they're not in the Champion's League.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Julian Broddle on June 02, 2015, 11:50:20 AM

I don't really understand why people think signing a keeper is a priority. Guzan was immense in 2013/14, yes he's lost a little confidence this season but I personally think he's still one of the better keepers in the league and his form will return.

I'd much rather stick with Guzan as first choice over Given, who is a perfectly adequate back-up for a further 12 months, giving Steer time to develop. We can then see what needs to be done 'keeper' wise in 12 months.

Any money needs to be spent on improving other aspects of the squad at the current time.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Joshua Fineman on June 02, 2015, 11:56:36 AM

Quote from: Julian Broddle on June 02, 2015, 11:50:20 AM

I don't really understand why people think signing a keeper is a priority. Guzan was immense in 2013/14, yes he's lost a little confidence this season but I personally think he's still one of the better keepers in the league and his form will return.

I'd much rather stick with Guzan as first choice over Given, who is a perfectly adequate back-up for a further 12 months, giving Steer time to develop. We can then see what needs to be done 'keeper' wise in 12 months.

Any money needs to be spent on improving other aspects of the squad at the current time.

Looks as though Sherwood isn't keen on Guzan, hence all of the talk of a new keeper.  I reckon there are better options out there...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 02, 2015, 12:14:49 PM

The only reason for the keeper talk is that like Gil, Sherwood does not seem to see what we do in Guzan.


We ideally need a pair of full backs, a pair of midfield players and a forward, all of notable quality. I do believe a better pair of full backs coupled with a stronger midfield would give the defence much more solidity, but so would being able to play a settled pair in the middle, which we very rarely did last season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on June 02, 2015, 12:36:27 PM

Quote from: Joshua Fineman on June 02, 2015, 11:56:36 AM

Quote from: Julian Broddle on June 02, 2015, 11:50:20 AM

I don't really understand why people think signing a keeper is a priority. Guzan was immense in 2013/14, yes he's lost a little confidence this season but I personally think he's still one of the better keepers in the league and his form will return.

I'd much rather stick with Guzan as first choice over Given, who is a perfectly adequate back-up for a further 12 months, giving Steer time to develop. We can then see what needs to be done 'keeper' wise in 12 months.

Any money needs to be spent on improving other aspects of the squad at the current time.

Looks as though Sherwood isn't keen on Guzan, hence all of the talk of a new keeper.  I reckon there are better options out there...

I think there's better options than Guzan. I'd like to see us move for Heaton/Fabianski or Michel Vorm.  He's hardly had a sniff at Tottenham.

Guzan's had a good couple of seasons, but his forms dipped. And I think the change would be good for freshening the side up.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 02, 2015, 12:42:43 PM

Heaton would likely cost a fair bit though, and has he done much more than say Scott Carson had when we bought him in? Vorm was excellent for Swansea I admit, and Fabianski seems to have done well there. I quite like, despite the inconsistency at times, the guy at Arsenal who played in the cup final who might be off if they sign Cech this summer. Not a fan of Green or Harper from QPR and Hull. I do quite like Pantillimon at Sunderland too, there is something about a big commanding keeper. But are any of them really better than Brad? I am not so sure.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on June 02, 2015, 12:49:53 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 02, 2015, 12:42:43 PM

Heaton would likely cost a fair bit though, and has he done much more than say Scott Carson had when we bought him in? Vorm was excellent for Swansea I admit, and Fabianski seems to have done well there. I quite like, despite the inconsistency at times, the guy at Arsenal who played in the cup final who might be off if they sign Cech this summer. Not a fan of Green or Harper from QPR and Hull. I do quite like Pantillimon at Sunderland too, there is something about a big commanding keeper. But are any of them really better than Brad? I am not so sure.

I think Brad's come to the end of his time at Villa. We need to freshen the spine of the side, including the goalkeeper. 
Vorm would be my first choice. We might be able to get him at the lure of first team football too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 02, 2015, 12:53:57 PM

Quote from: Lobsterboy on June 02, 2015, 10:43:55 AM

Quote from: Monty on June 02, 2015, 10:39:28 AM

If we have over £30m to spend - which we may well do, especially if Benteke goes - then I wouldn't like to see us sign more than five players, and preferably four, with that kind of money. We need to upgrade the first team, and there are current members of that first team who would still be useful as squad players and don't need to be sold.

I agree; not sure why people seem to want to sell most of the first team! The likes of Bacuna, Baker, Westwood, Agbonlahor, Richardson and Hutton are all useful squad players for me

Agree.  Of course there are those outside the current matchday squad that need to be moved on, but a massive clear out at thios stage would leave us very short on numbers.  We need to improve the starting XI without a doubt and that will obviously push some who are currently in the team onto the bench.  Also, we may see some of the younger players being used in the squad next season.  I also think we need some perspective of where we want to be next season.  Yes, we got hammered on Saturday, but there is little point comparing us with Arsenal as they are miles ahead.  It's the likes of Stoke and Swansea we need to be catching in the next couple of seasons. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 02, 2015, 12:59:43 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on June 02, 2015, 12:49:53 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 02, 2015, 12:42:43 PM

Heaton would likely cost a fair bit though, and has he done much more than say Scott Carson had when we bought him in? Vorm was excellent for Swansea I admit, and Fabianski seems to have done well there. I quite like, despite the inconsistency at times, the guy at Arsenal who played in the cup final who might be off if they sign Cech this summer. Not a fan of Green or Harper from QPR and Hull. I do quite like Pantillimon at Sunderland too, there is something about a big commanding keeper. But are any of them really better than Brad? I am not so sure.

I think Brad's come to the end of his time at Villa. We need to freshen the spine of the side, including the goalkeeper. 
Vorm would be my first choice. We might be able to get him at the lure of first team football too.

Unlikely if Sir Loris goes to United to replace De Gea

The big german lad we were linked to looks a beast of a keeper, but also pretty difficult to get.

Can I be the first to declare that I don't want Jonny Evans!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: AVH87 on June 02, 2015, 01:05:01 PM

I think Guzan is one of those keepers who looks better when you are down the bottom, with your goal being peppered all game. If we were a comfortable mid-table side, I think his errors would be magnified as he'd be making a lot less saves in games.

Can definitely see the thinking behind replacing him with a new first choice.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on June 02, 2015, 01:24:23 PM

Hearing a rumour that Cleverley is going to Everton... Anyone care to dismiss this one? If this is true, it's a pretty miserable close season so far....

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 02, 2015, 01:26:54 PM

Quote from: Chris_Jephcott on June 02, 2015, 01:24:23 PM

Hearing a rumour that Cleverley is going to Everton... Anyone care to dismiss this one? If this is true, it's a pretty miserable close season so far....

Would not be that bothered he came in did well eventually then looked crap again last 3 games . He's probably on 60-80k a week at Everton so good luck to him

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on June 02, 2015, 01:31:53 PM

At the very least, we need to fill the following positions if the report in teh Telegraph is to be believed:

GK

RB
Ron Vlaar
Ciaran Clark
LB

DMF
Fabian Delph
Tom Cleverley

Scott Sinclair
Jack Grealish
Libor Kozák

Subs from:
Jed Steer
Jores Okore
Leandro Bacuna
Gabriel Agbonlahor
Ashley Westwood
Gary Gardner
Joe Bennett
Carlos Sánchez
FWD
FWD

I'd hold on to Hutton and Guzan as I don't think we'll having anything like the wedge to bring in better players in their positions. And if we don't get £32.5m in one single transaction for Benteke, we would be better off keeping him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on June 02, 2015, 01:53:31 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on June 02, 2015, 12:49:53 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 02, 2015, 12:42:43 PM

Heaton would likely cost a fair bit though, and has he done much more than say Scott Carson had when we bought him in? Vorm was excellent for Swansea I admit, and Fabianski seems to have done well there. I quite like, despite the inconsistency at times, the guy at Arsenal who played in the cup final who might be off if they sign Cech this summer. Not a fan of Green or Harper from QPR and Hull. I do quite like Pantillimon at Sunderland too, there is something about a big commanding keeper. But are any of them really better than Brad? I am not so sure.

I think Brad's come to the end of his time at Villa. We need to freshen the spine of the side, including the goalkeeper. 
Vorm would be my first choice. We might be able to get him at the lure of first team football too.

The same Vorm that went to Spurs to be Lloris back up? Great with the ball at his feet but soft as putty too.

I'm in the give Guzan another go category. Sometimes we overlook the positives in players and look to first what they can't do. Think the time to seriously review our goalkeeping dept is when Given leaves.

I see Trippier is linked with us today along with a few more clubs. Hutton showed rampant unprofessionalism during his time at Spurs including being miles overweight for a time. Sherwood will be well aware of that. Wouldn't be surprised to see someone come in for him after a relatively solid season for us and getting a few quid for him.
Lowton being linked to Middlesboro, would be a good move for him

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on June 02, 2015, 02:38:56 PM

Guzan is still one of our best players. It would be foolish to let him go, particularly as we'd probably have to pay more for a replacement who may not necessarily be any better. The ideal for me is to bring in someone with great potential like that Brentford fella, who's played a decent enough level and done well, and then have him push Guzan for No 1.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on June 02, 2015, 02:41:36 PM

Hutton came back in and did very well, he also showed the kind of mental steel we are so short of, I'd keep him, he struggled a bit after the injury but overall, if he'd stayed fit, he may have won player of the year.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on June 02, 2015, 02:44:43 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on June 02, 2015, 02:41:36 PM

Hutton came back in and did very well, he also showed the kind of mental steel we are so short of, I'd keep him, he struggled a bit after the injury but overall, if he'd stayed fit, he may have won player of the year.

The main reason I'd cash in now is because of his age and because he had a good season he's one of the few players (Tekkers aside) that might bring in a bit of money to add to the kitty. Not a great deal, 2 million, but it would also free up the wages too.

I also do worry that since Sherwood came in, Hutton's reverted back slightly to some of his heart-stopping challenges. He has had injuries and had to play at the left a couple of times, but he's not looked great under Timmy.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 02, 2015, 02:46:57 PM

It's vital that we get some resale value on some of the players on the outskirts of the squad and those that just aren't good enough.

Keeping players like Bennett and Lowton and Luna etc to give them another chance or see what they can do under a new manager will just result in us being lumbered with more years of paying them and getting nothing in transfer fee's when they inevitably leave us.

Cash in on whatever we can get for them now, a couple of million here and a few million off the wage bill.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on June 02, 2015, 03:11:04 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on June 02, 2015, 01:53:31 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on June 02, 2015, 12:49:53 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 02, 2015, 12:42:43 PM

Heaton would likely cost a fair bit though, and has he done much more than say Scott Carson had when we bought him in? Vorm was excellent for Swansea I admit, and Fabianski seems to have done well there. I quite like, despite the inconsistency at times, the guy at Arsenal who played in the cup final who might be off if they sign Cech this summer. Not a fan of Green or Harper from QPR and Hull. I do quite like Pantillimon at Sunderland too, there is something about a big commanding keeper. But are any of them really better than Brad? I am not so sure.

I think Brad's come to the end of his time at Villa. We need to freshen the spine of the side, including the goalkeeper. 
Vorm would be my first choice. We might be able to get him at the lure of first team football too.

The same Vorm that went to Spurs to be Lloris back up? Great with the ball at his feet but soft as putty too.

I'm in the give Guzan another go category. Sometimes we overlook the positives in players and look to first what they can't do. Think the time to seriously review our goalkeeping dept is when Given leaves.

I see Trippier is linked with us today along with a few more clubs. Hutton showed rampant unprofessionalism during his time at Spurs including being miles overweight for a time. Sherwood will be well aware of that. Wouldn't be surprised to see someone come in for him after a relatively solid season for us and getting a few quid for him.
Lowton being linked to Middlesboro, would be a good move for him

Yes, that Vorm.  He tried his luck at a top club. Couldn't push Loris for his place, but I think he'd do well with us. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Jim Shoes on June 02, 2015, 03:32:28 PM

Quote from: Mossie Hennebry on June 02, 2015, 01:31:53 PM

At the very least, we need to fill the following positions if the report in teh Telegraph is to be believed:

GK

RB
Ron Vlaar
Ciaran Clark
LB

DMF
Fabian Delph
Tom Cleverley

Scott Sinclair
Jack Grealish
Libor Kozák

Subs from:
Jed Steer
Jores Okore
Leandro Bacuna
Gabriel Agbonlahor
Ashley Westwood
Gary Gardner
Joe Bennett
Carlos Sánchez
FWD
FWD

I'd hold on to Hutton and Guzan as I don't think we'll having anything like the wedge to bring in better players in their positions. And if we don't get £32.5m in one single transaction for Benteke, we would be better off keeping him.

God that's one awful squad, we are seriously in trouble if that isn't backed up with quality signings this summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: manic-road on June 02, 2015, 05:28:05 PM

Quote from: Jim Shoes on June 02, 2015, 03:32:28 PM

Quote from: Mossie Hennebry on June 02, 2015, 01:31:53 PM

At the very least, we need to fill the following positions if the report in teh Telegraph is to be believed:

GK

RB
Ron Vlaar
Ciaran Clark
LB

DMF
Fabian Delph
Tom Cleverley

Scott Sinclair
Jack Grealish
Libor Kozák

Subs from:
Jed Steer
Jores Okore
Leandro Bacuna
Gabriel Agbonlahor
Ashley Westwood
Gary Gardner
Joe Bennett
Carlos Sánchez
FWD
FWD

I'd hold on to Hutton and Guzan as I don't think we'll having anything like the wedge to bring in better players in their positions. And if we don't get £32.5m in one single transaction for Benteke, we would be better off keeping him.

God that's one awful squad, we are seriously in trouble if that isn't backed up with quality signings this summer.

Cleverley will probably be off so we would need to replace him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on June 02, 2015, 06:35:00 PM

Quote from: Jim Shoes on June 02, 2015, 03:32:28 PM

Quote from: Mossie Hennebry on June 02, 2015, 01:31:53 PM

At the very least, we need to fill the following positions if the report in teh Telegraph is to be believed:

GK

RB
Ron Vlaar
Ciaran Clark
LB

DMF
Fabian Delph
Tom Cleverley

Scott Sinclair
Jack Grealish
Libor Kozák

Subs from:
Jed Steer
Jores Okore
Leandro Bacuna
Gabriel Agbonlahor
Ashley Westwood
Gary Gardner
Joe Bennett
Carlos Sánchez
FWD
FWD

I'd hold on to Hutton and Guzan as I don't think we'll having anything like the wedge to bring in better players in their positions. And if we don't get £32.5m in one single transaction for Benteke, we would be better off keeping him.

God that's one awful squad, we are seriously in trouble if that isn't backed up with quality signings this summer.

That's my point, really. Where the hell is the money going to come from for a root and branch overhaul of the squad. If Randy can't sell and won't invest, we will be in serious trouble.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on June 02, 2015, 07:29:12 PM

Derby County: Aston Villa forward Andreas Weimann on Rams radar

Fingers crossed this is true and a deal can be done.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: manic-road on June 02, 2015, 08:23:34 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on June 02, 2015, 07:29:12 PM

Derby County: Aston Villa forward Andreas Weimann on Rams radar

Fingers crossed this is true and a deal can be done.

The Telegraph saying that Derby will offer £2m for Weimann.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 02, 2015, 08:24:39 PM

Quote from: manic-road on June 02, 2015, 08:23:34 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on June 02, 2015, 07:29:12 PM

Derby County: Aston Villa forward Andreas Weimann on Rams radar

Fingers crossed this is true and a deal can be done.

The Telegraph saying that Derby will offer £2m for Weimann.

He is a great deal for them at that price.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on June 02, 2015, 08:30:00 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on June 02, 2015, 08:24:39 PM

Quote from: manic-road on June 02, 2015, 08:23:34 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on June 02, 2015, 07:29:12 PM

Derby County: Aston Villa forward Andreas Weimann on Rams radar

Fingers crossed this is true and a deal can be done.

The Telegraph saying that Derby will offer £2m for Weimann.

He is a great deal for them at that price.

He'll do well for them at that level I think. I think if he gets to play a Bent kind of role at that level he should score more goals. He's not a winger at all.
I like Andi because of his application. The lad works his bollocks off, but he's just so poor with the ball at his feet.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 02, 2015, 08:53:35 PM

Quote from: supertom on June 02, 2015, 08:30:00 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on June 02, 2015, 08:24:39 PM

Quote from: manic-road on June 02, 2015, 08:23:34 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on June 02, 2015, 07:29:12 PM

Derby County: Aston Villa forward Andreas Weimann on Rams radar

Fingers crossed this is true and a deal can be done.

The Telegraph saying that Derby will offer £2m for Weimann.

He is a great deal for them at that price.

He'll do well for them at that level I think. I think if he gets to play a Bent kind of role at that level he should score more goals. He's not a winger at all.
I like Andi because of his application. The lad works his bollocks off, but he's just so poor with the ball at his feet.

Get a sell on clause in there, I can see him doing well if hes the main man up front

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 02, 2015, 08:57:48 PM

Quote from: manic-road on June 02, 2015, 08:23:34 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on June 02, 2015, 07:29:12 PM

Derby County: Aston Villa forward Andreas Weimann on Rams radar

Fingers crossed this is true and a deal can be done.

The Telegraph saying that Derby will offer £2m for Weimann.

As a centre forward I reckon he's ok .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 02, 2015, 09:02:47 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 02, 2015, 08:57:48 PM

Quote from: manic-road on June 02, 2015, 08:23:34 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on June 02, 2015, 07:29:12 PM

Derby County: Aston Villa forward Andreas Weimann on Rams radar

Fingers crossed this is true and a deal can be done.

The Telegraph saying that Derby will offer £2m for Weimann.

As a centre forward I reckon he's ok .

Yep, he would be a big hit in the Championship.  Played up front in a front two, he would do well in that league.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 02, 2015, 09:07:55 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on June 02, 2015, 09:02:47 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 02, 2015, 08:57:48 PM

Quote from: manic-road on June 02, 2015, 08:23:34 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on June 02, 2015, 07:29:12 PM

Derby County: Aston Villa forward Andreas Weimann on Rams radar

Fingers crossed this is true and a deal can be done.

The Telegraph saying that Derby will offer £2m for Weimann.

As a centre forward I reckon he's ok .

Yep, he would be a big hit in the Championship.  Played up front in a front two, he would do well in that league.

If we'd gone down this season (or any of the last few seasons in fact) then Weimann would have been fine as our striker to try and go back up again.

It's just that he's not quite good enough for the league that we're thankfully in.

Anywhere between £3-5m would be a very decent deal for a wealthy Championship side.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 02, 2015, 09:11:00 PM

I do feel Weimann has been played consistently out of position at villa. I would of liked to have seen him have a run as a centre forward but it never happened not even in the cup games. He's certainly not a wide midfielder or a "number 10" type player.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on June 02, 2015, 09:20:01 PM

Quote from: Dave on June 02, 2015, 09:07:55 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on June 02, 2015, 09:02:47 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 02, 2015, 08:57:48 PM

Quote from: manic-road on June 02, 2015, 08:23:34 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on June 02, 2015, 07:29:12 PM

Derby County: Aston Villa forward Andreas Weimann on Rams radar

Fingers crossed this is true and a deal can be done.

The Telegraph saying that Derby will offer £2m for Weimann.

As a centre forward I reckon he's ok .

Yep, he would be a big hit in the Championship.  Played up front in a front two, he would do well in that league.

If we'd gone down this season (or any of the last few seasons in fact) then Weimann would have been fine as our striker to try and go back up again.

It's just that he's not quite good enough for the league that we're thankfully in.

Anywhere between £3-5m would be a very decent deal for a wealthy Championship side.

Think Andi only has 12 months left on his current deal so we don't have much bargaining power

Finished Lambert's first season really strongly 12 goals in 38 appearances was good going. Never built on that though, put on a pile of weight the season after and has never really recovered his form.

Wish him the best if the move works out, he needs proper forwards coaching to improve imo

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 02, 2015, 09:36:47 PM

Quote from: Dave on June 02, 2015, 09:07:55 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on June 02, 2015, 09:02:47 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 02, 2015, 08:57:48 PM

Quote from: manic-road on June 02, 2015, 08:23:34 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on June 02, 2015, 07:29:12 PM

Derby County: Aston Villa forward Andreas Weimann on Rams radar

Fingers crossed this is true and a deal can be done.

The Telegraph saying that Derby will offer £2m for Weimann.

As a centre forward I reckon he's ok .

Yep, he would be a big hit in the Championship.  Played up front in a front two, he would do well in that league.

If we'd gone down this season (or any of the last few seasons in fact) then Weimann would have been fine as our striker to try and go back up again.

It's just that he's not quite good enough for the league that we're thankfully in.

Anywhere between £3-5m would be a very decent deal for a wealthy Championship side.

Agree Dave.  If he's fit and sharp, he'll do well at that level.  As you say though, he just lacks that all round bit of quality required for the top flight. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 02, 2015, 09:48:18 PM

£2m with a couple of add ons etc for promotion/ sell ons seems fair enough to me. Not sad to see him go after the last 2 seasons, missed more than he has scored, or looked pretty out of his depth at times. As Dave says, will do well in the Championship.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 02, 2015, 09:52:03 PM

Just reading a Derby forum and they're talking about Jeff Hendrick (who he?) coming here as part of the deal.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 02, 2015, 09:54:36 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 02, 2015, 09:52:03 PM

Just reading a Derby forum and they're talking about Jeff Hendrick (who he?) coming here as part of the deal.

Supposed to be pretty decent. Box-to-box, runs around a lot, quite young.

Probably the sort of player that would be the Cleverley replacement if he doesn't join permanently.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 02, 2015, 09:55:33 PM

We looked at him 2 seasons back when Lambert was here I recall. Irish midfield player that scored a few goals last season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: manic-road on June 02, 2015, 09:56:01 PM

Looks like Bent may well end up at Derby by signing a three year deal.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 02, 2015, 09:58:08 PM

Are we saying Weimann is worth more than him or the other way round? Cos if it's a player that a bottling second tier club are happy to let go, and is worth less than Weimann, surely he can't be much cop?

If we're talking about gaining a potential star and offering Weimann as part of the deal, that's entirely different.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on June 02, 2015, 09:59:36 PM

Quote from: Dave on June 02, 2015, 09:54:36 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 02, 2015, 09:52:03 PM

Just reading a Derby forum and they're talking about Jeff Hendrick (who he?) coming here as part of the deal.

Supposed to be pretty decent. Box-to-box, runs around a lot, quite young.

Probably the sort of player that would be the Cleverley replacement if he doesn't join permanently.

Exactly, would be a good signing for us. Occasion at recent Scotland v Ireland game in Glasgow was too much for him. Did well when he came on in Germany tho setting up equaliser in last minute.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 02, 2015, 09:59:40 PM

I reckon we would be paying the other way round looking at the way he has been touted as a star of their side.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 02, 2015, 10:00:36 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 02, 2015, 09:59:40 PM

I reckon we would be paying the other way round looking at the way he has been touted as a star of their side.

Ah, I understand. Thanks OJ.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 02, 2015, 10:52:02 PM

http://m.derbytelegraph.co.uk/Derby-County-Aston-Villa-West-Bromwich-Albion/story-26457442-detail/story.html

Link here. Missed this one at the time

I think he'd be backup with Gardner? Risky otherwise

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on June 02, 2015, 11:12:37 PM

I was going to raise the point about the need to look at players weaknesses rather than their strengths to assess the need in replacing them.  Interestingly, two posters have mentioned it in the last few pages, one agreeing and one disagreeing.

I believe you have to look at the weaknesses as it is this that defines the overall strength of the team.  Football is a very tactical game and many managers will build their game plan around the opposition weaknesses.  Defensive weaknesses are the ones you have to cut out first unless you can guarantee outscoring most teams.  Benteke looks as though he could be a prolific scorer throughout his career but, even if we could keep him, he does not score enough on his own to make up for a team that concedes so many and buckles so easily.  There are so many frailties in the defensive side of our game, some can be put right with tactics/systems but many are due to individual player weaknesses.

Take Richard Dunne as an example.  Everybody knew that he always had that 'drop a b******' moment in him but his strengths outweighed this to make him a player good enough for a 6-10 PL team but not good enough for top 5.

Fans always have their favourites and sometimes this can be based on effort put in, actual quality and even cult status when the player is not actually any good.  To improve the Villa team sentiment and ignoring glaring weaknesses a player brings to the team just because individually he does some good things, have to be put to one side, otherwise we will never improve.

Take the midfield of Cleverley, Westwood and Delph as an example.  Good going forward at times but very poor at tracking back, weak in the tackle and poor at defending set-pieces.  Therefore, at least one of them has to be replaced to remedy the deficiencies in the defensive side of the midfield.

We have too many average players in my opinion and Sherwood has a difficult task and will upset many supporters with who he moves on.

Some are talking about limited funding being available if Lerner does not sell based on previous experience.  Lerner may not want to invest any more money in the club but we are one year away from a massive increase in TV income that will push all PL clubs further away from the majority of foreign clubs and allow better quality foreign players to be bought.  The time to invest that future income for Villa is now.  Lerner is not short of money and he could easily loan a significant amount or we could borrow the money from external sources until we receive the extra income.  There is a risk that we could get relegated and leave us in difficult financial problems but I am afraid if significant investment is not made now, the risk of going down will be far greater.  Bear in mind that most of the cost of a player these days is in wages and this is paid over the term of the contract.  Similarly, many transfers are based on a down-payment with the remainder paid later.  Taking both into account, most of the expenditure will be after the new TV deal.  The real issue is liquidity and getting around this.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ROBBO on June 02, 2015, 11:26:44 PM

What stood out in the Arsenal game was their control of the ball compare that with most of the Villa team and the difference is glaring, the only player we have that has that kind of skill is Gil and the manager doesn't rate him, i'm worried.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 02, 2015, 11:45:36 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on June 02, 2015, 10:52:02 PM

http://m.derbytelegraph.co.uk/Derby-County-Aston-Villa-West-Bromwich-Albion/story-26457442-detail/story.html

Link here. Missed this one at the time

I think he'd be backup with Gardner? Risky otherwise

I think he would have to be back up and we do need some extra bodies in midfield.  If we don't sign Cleverley then we are going to need someone at a similar level or above to replace him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 02, 2015, 11:52:29 PM

Agree about midfield. And (sadly) I do not see the solution being Gardner, lovely free kick in him and can put a nice pass together, but his pace, work rate , strength, tackling & positioning are really not PL level.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 02, 2015, 11:57:08 PM

How is that Hughes chap getting on at Derby?  He is (was?) the big prospect there isn't he.  Its predictable but I'd prefer to spend a couple of extra million (especially if we're offloading dead wood at the same time) and increase our chances of buying the real deal.

BTW - I was told we were looking to take that spurs midfielder dele Alli (? signed from mk dons) on loan next season.  Apparently there are three clubs looking to take him on loan.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: oldham_villa on June 03, 2015, 12:37:58 AM

I've just seen something on Facebook, courtesy of the Metro newspaper, suggesting that we are eying up Jonny Evans for £10M

I would surely hope this is not the case

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ROBBO on June 03, 2015, 07:29:46 AM

Christ no if ever there was an overated player it is him, As with Cleverley United don't let good players go.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tom jennings III on June 03, 2015, 07:37:24 AM

Apart from Cleverley.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 03, 2015, 07:56:53 AM

Quote from: ROBBO on June 03, 2015, 07:29:46 AM

As with Cleverley United don't let good players go.

(http://www.eatsleepsport.com/images/photos/Stories/1940631.jpg)
(http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/67/590x/gerard-pique-538389.jpg)
(http://i1.birminghammail.co.uk/incoming/article48436.ece/BINARY/50011B74-EF5E-31D7-5373E83BDA621722.jpg)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 03, 2015, 08:22:05 AM

I must say I'm worried that we are pretty much only being linked with lower league players again. It's going to catch up with us some time.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 03, 2015, 08:23:12 AM

Pogba snubbing ManU and walking away was pretty funny though. Still is :)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ROBBO on June 03, 2015, 08:26:45 AM

Quote from: tom jennings III on June 03, 2015, 07:37:24 AM

Apart from Cleverley.

He's played three or four good games in a season you must be easily pleased.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 03, 2015, 08:31:58 AM

Quote from: oldham_villa on June 03, 2015, 12:37:58 AM

I've just seen something on Facebook, courtesy of the Metro newspaper, suggesting that we are eying up Jonny Evans for £10M

I would surely hope this is not the case

Good defender, but we don't really need another injury prone centre half to add to our collection.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on June 03, 2015, 08:58:36 AM

Quote from: Dave on June 03, 2015, 07:56:53 AM

Quote from: ROBBO on June 03, 2015, 07:29:46 AM

As with Cleverley United don't let good players go.

(http://www.eatsleepsport.com/images/photos/Stories/1940631.jpg)
(http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/67/590x/gerard-pique-538389.jpg)
(http://i1.birminghammail.co.uk/incoming/article48436.ece/BINARY/50011B74-EF5E-31D7-5373E83BDA621722.jpg)

Ha ha, good work Dave

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: David_Nab on June 03, 2015, 09:15:14 AM

Evans I wouldn't touch firstly due to his inability to stay fit , we have enough injury prone defenders as it is.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Damo70 on June 03, 2015, 09:20:13 AM

It was only the highlights but I think it was the Crystal Palace game a few weeks ago when I saw Jonny Evans put in possibly the worst individual defensive performance I have seen in the Premier League. And as a Villa season ticket holder for all of the Lambert years that is a massive statement.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: CJ on June 03, 2015, 09:25:03 AM

Quote from: aj2k77 on June 03, 2015, 08:22:05 AM

I must say I'm worried that we are pretty much only being linked with lower league players again. It's going to catch up with us some time.

Me too. I was concerned we were competing with bottom of the PL QPR for the services of Luongo & Gladwin from League 1 Swindon, and was relieved when they went to QPR. If we're only going to shop in the bargain basement we can expect another season of relegation worries. Early days of course, and it will be interesting to see how Sherwood operates in his first ever transfer window, but I hope he's setting his sights on better players than those two

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on June 03, 2015, 09:26:06 AM

Quote from: Damo70 on June 03, 2015, 09:20:13 AM

It was only the highlights but I think it was the Crystal Palace game a few weeks ago when I saw Jonny Evans put in possibly the worst individual defensive performance I have seen in the Premier League. And as a Villa season ticket holder for all of the Lambert years that is a massive statement.

Damo you appear to have forgotten Titus Bramble. The acknowledged leader in the field of appalling defensive performances!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 03, 2015, 10:26:43 AM

I've already highlighted the feasible and reasonable options for transfers including Jonny Evans. villa will be operating as fit and signings like Evans would make great sense. Add a drogba, or hernandez along with ndoye or ings, Chester, Charlie Adams, Nolan, Phillips and along with micah Richards would be good summer. Heaton or Green as Gk then look to move on players.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: AV82EC on June 03, 2015, 10:54:54 AM

Quote from: Ron Manager on June 03, 2015, 09:26:06 AM

Quote from: Damo70 on June 03, 2015, 09:20:13 AM

It was only the highlights but I think it was the Crystal Palace game a few weeks ago when I saw Jonny Evans put in possibly the worst individual defensive performance I have seen in the Premier League. And as a Villa season ticket holder for all of the Lambert years that is a massive statement.

Damo you appear to have forgotten Titus Bramble. The acknowledged leader in the field of appalling defensive performances!

If this was Top Trumps I'd be playing my Frank Sinclair card about now......

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 03, 2015, 11:05:29 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 03, 2015, 10:26:43 AM

I've already highlighted the feasible and reasonable options for transfers including Jonny Evans. villa will be operating as fit and signings like Evans would make great sense. Add a drogba, or hernandez along with ndoye or ings, Chester, Charlie Adams, Nolan, Phillips and along with micah Richards would be good summer. Heaton or Green as Gk then look to move on players.

Drogba and Hernandez would never come here.
Nolan and Green are past it. What would be the point in replacing Given with another aging goalkeeper on big money?
Ings is on his way to Liverpool.
Adam, Chester, Evans - nah.

Phillips, Richards and Heaton would be decent signings, possibly N'Doye.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 03, 2015, 11:08:27 AM

Quote from: SheffieldVillain on June 03, 2015, 11:05:29 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 03, 2015, 10:26:43 AM

I've already highlighted the feasible and reasonable options for transfers including Jonny Evans. villa will be operating as fit and signings like Evans would make great sense. Add a drogba, or hernandez along with ndoye or ings, Chester, Charlie Adams, Nolan, Phillips and along with micah Richards would be good summer. Heaton or Green as Gk then look to move on players.

Drogba and Hernandez would never come here.
Nolan and Green are past it. What would be the point in replacing Given with another aging goalkeeper on big money?
Ings is on his way to Liverpool.
Adam, Chester, Evans - nah.

Phillips, Richards and Heaton would be decent signings, possibly N'Doye.

Part of me wonders whether he means Kevin Phillips.

I wouldn't rule it out.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 03, 2015, 11:17:04 AM

I assumed he meant Leighton.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on June 03, 2015, 11:18:43 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 03, 2015, 10:26:43 AM

I've already highlighted the feasible and reasonable options for transfers including Jonny Evans. villa will be operating as fit and signings like Evans would make great sense. Add a drogba, or hernandez along with ndoye or ings, Chester, Charlie Adams, Nolan, Phillips and along with micah Richards would be good summer. Heaton or Green as Gk then look to move on players.

Bloody hell!  This sounds like Rednaps QPR blueprint.  Worked out well for them.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 03, 2015, 11:27:26 AM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 03, 2015, 11:17:04 AM

I assumed he meant Leighton.

With an outside chance of Wilson

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 03, 2015, 11:34:14 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 03, 2015, 11:27:26 AM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 03, 2015, 11:17:04 AM

I assumed he meant Leighton.

With an outside chance of Wilson

I wouldn't be surprised if he was referring to a screwdriver. If he was that'd still be more use than some of the other tools on that list.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on June 03, 2015, 11:56:25 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 03, 2015, 10:26:43 AM

I've already highlighted the feasible and reasonable options for transfers including Jonny Evans. villa will be operating as fit and signings like Evans would make great sense. Add a drogba, or hernandez along with ndoye or ings, Chester, Charlie Adams, Nolan, Phillips and along with micah Richards would be good summer. Heaton or Green as Gk then look to move on players.

That all sounds feasible and reasonable enough, but you've missed out Jose Bosingwa and Joseph Desire Job.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 03, 2015, 12:11:17 PM

Yakubu might be available

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 03, 2015, 12:19:47 PM

Feed the goat

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on June 03, 2015, 12:23:56 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 03, 2015, 10:26:43 AM

I've already highlighted the feasible and reasonable options for transfers including Jonny Evans. villa will be operating as fit and signings like Evans would make great sense. Add a drogba, or hernandez along with ndoye or ings, Chester, Charlie Adams, Nolan, Phillips and along with micah Richards would be good summer. Heaton or Green as Gk then look to move on players.

My son always gives me the latest transfer rumours from his Match of the Day magazine and they are always with some level of incredulity. They won't seem so bad once I've shown him this.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 03, 2015, 12:29:32 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 03, 2015, 11:27:26 AM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 03, 2015, 11:17:04 AM

I assumed he meant Leighton.

With an outside chance of Wilson

I am pretty sure he means Captain Mark Phillips

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on June 03, 2015, 12:30:55 PM

Jay Spearing is 26 and should be coming to his peak in the next couple of season, notice that Bolton loaned him out to Blackburn last season so (checks who Bolton manager is) Lennon obviously doesn't rate him, should be able to pick him up for less than a million and build a team round him. Matt Taylor from Burnley, Jelavic from Hull, Richard Dunne (free) and Carlton Cole (free) would make us a force to reckon with I should imagine. Maybe cheeky bids for Diego Costa and De Gea as they are reportedly looking to move and persuade Xavi to have a couple of seasons in England, sorted.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on June 03, 2015, 12:36:28 PM

Evans was very good for United the last time they won the title, but that was a couple of seasons ago and it seems like he's completely lost his confidence and composure. I'm not sure that just gets fixed automatically by moving to a club lower down the table.

He, Okore and Clark would be a great set of ball-playing CBs (look at this video here:

) but no one would have any confidence in them avoiding the fuck-ups.

We really need to expand our horizons for players. I don't really fancy cast-offs from teams above us or lower-league gambles.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on June 03, 2015, 12:37:29 PM

Don't forget re-signing John Phillips as first choice goalkeeper.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 03, 2015, 12:40:09 PM

Why is Jay Spearing... I would go on but that is enough.

With Weimann going, and Gil likely, a couple of forward players must be on the agenda this summer

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 03, 2015, 12:43:14 PM

Don't know what all the fuss is about, we have Sylla and Tonev coming back, Heskey is available and would make a great pairing with Danny Graham.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 03, 2015, 12:47:46 PM

Quote from: Chris Jameson on June 03, 2015, 12:30:55 PM

Jay Spearing is 26 and should be coming to his peak in the next couple of season, notice that Bolton loaned him out to Blackburn last season so (checks who Bolton manager is) Lennon obviously doesn't rate him, should be able to pick him up for less than a million and build a team round him. Matt Taylor from Burnley, Jelavic from Hull, Richard Dunne (free) and Carlton Cole (free) would make us a force to reckon with I should imagine. Maybe cheeky bids for Diego Costa and De Gea as they are reportedly looking to move and persuade Xavi to have a couple of seasons in England, sorted.

Agreed with you up until the last bit. If Bannan couldn't hold down a place in the Villa side, what chance would Xavi have?

I'd maybe get Harewood back, as back up to Altidore, and make a sneaky bid for Fabregas.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on June 03, 2015, 12:52:31 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 03, 2015, 12:47:46 PM

Quote from: Chris Jameson on June 03, 2015, 12:30:55 PM

Jay Spearing is 26 and should be coming to his peak in the next couple of season, notice that Bolton loaned him out to Blackburn last season so (checks who Bolton manager is) Lennon obviously doesn't rate him, should be able to pick him up for less than a million and build a team round him. Matt Taylor from Burnley, Jelavic from Hull, Richard Dunne (free) and Carlton Cole (free) would make us a force to reckon with I should imagine. Maybe cheeky bids for Diego Costa and De Gea as they are reportedly looking to move and persuade Xavi to have a couple of seasons in England, sorted.

Agreed with you up until the last bit. If Bannan couldn't hold down a place in the Villa side, what chance would Xavi have?

I'd maybe get Harewood back, as back up to Altidore, and make a sneaky bid for Fabregas.

Good point, wonder if Bannan fancies giving it another go at Villa? The prospect of playing alongside Bannan and Spearing could tempt Fabregas.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Quiet Lion on June 03, 2015, 12:54:20 PM

Quote from: Chris Jameson on June 03, 2015, 12:30:55 PM

Jay Spearing is 26 and should be coming to his peak in the next couple of season, notice that Bolton loaned him out to Blackburn last season so (checks who Bolton manager is) Lennon obviously doesn't rate him, should be able to pick him up for less than a million and build a team round him. Matt Taylor from Burnley, Jelavic from Hull, Richard Dunne (free) and Carlton Cole (free) would make us a force to reckon with I should imagine. Maybe cheeky bids for Diego Costa and De Gea as they are reportedly looking to move and persuade Xavi to have a couple of seasons in England, sorted.

Got to Carlton Cole before I realised.....well done

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dr Butler on June 03, 2015, 12:58:52 PM

just off the top of my head how about a first 11 of:

GK - Heaton

RB - Trippier
CH - Okore
CH - Clark
LB - Mings

M - Delph
M - Sinclair
M - Sanchez
M - Westwood
M - Grealish

S - Benteke

UTV
The Doc

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 03, 2015, 01:02:21 PM

Quote from: Dr Butler on June 03, 2015, 12:58:52 PM

just off the top of my head how about a first 11 of:

GK - Heaton

RB - Trippier
CH - Okore
CH - Clark
LB - Mings

M - Delph
M - Sinclair
M - Sanchez
M - Westwood
M - Grealish

S - Benteke Altidore

UTV
The Doc

I like it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard E on June 03, 2015, 01:04:33 PM

Quote from: Quiet Lion on June 03, 2015, 12:54:20 PM

Quote from: Chris Jameson on June 03, 2015, 12:30:55 PM

Jay Spearing is 26 and should be coming to his peak in the next couple of season, notice that Bolton loaned him out to Blackburn last season so (checks who Bolton manager is) Lennon obviously doesn't rate him, should be able to pick him up for less than a million and build a team round him. Matt Taylor from Burnley, Jelavic from Hull, Richard Dunne (free) and Carlton Cole (free) would make us a force to reckon with I should imagine. Maybe cheeky bids for Diego Costa and De Gea as they are reportedly looking to move and persuade Xavi to have a couple of seasons in England, sorted.

Got to Carlton Cole before I realised.....well done

Well Albion wanted Carlton Cole to replace Brown Ideye, who as we all know is better than Benteke, so this may actually have some strange logic to it...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on June 03, 2015, 01:14:43 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 03, 2015, 01:02:21 PM

Quote from: Dr Butler on June 03, 2015, 12:58:52 PM

just off the top of my head how about a first 11 of:

GK - Heaton

RB - Trippier
CH - Dunne
CH - Clark
LB - Mings

M - Spearing
M - Sinclair
M - Bannan
M - Westwood
M - Grealish

S - Benteke Altidore

UTV
The Doc

I like it.

Made a couple of amendments, like it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Duncan Shaw on June 03, 2015, 01:19:53 PM

Wot no Jonjo Shelvey?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dr Butler on June 03, 2015, 01:21:23 PM

you naughty scamps :)

lol
The Doc

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 03, 2015, 01:25:17 PM

Quote from: Chris Jameson on June 03, 2015, 01:14:43 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 03, 2015, 01:02:21 PM

Quote from: Dr Butler on June 03, 2015, 12:58:52 PM

just off the top of my head how about a first 11 of:

GK - Heaton

RB - Trippier
CH - Dunne
CH - Clark
LB - Mings

M - Spearing
M - Sinclair
M - Bannan
M - Westwood
M - Grealish

S - Benteke Altidore

UTV
The Doc

I like it.

Made a couple of amendments, like it.

Champions elect.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ROBBO on June 03, 2015, 01:28:56 PM

You should not mock the afflicted.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on June 03, 2015, 02:16:18 PM

Quote from: dave shelley on June 03, 2015, 12:37:29 PM

Don't forget re-signing John Phillips as first choice goalkeeper.

or Evan Williams.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on June 03, 2015, 02:24:02 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on June 03, 2015, 02:16:18 PM

Quote from: dave shelley on June 03, 2015, 12:37:29 PM

Don't forget re-signing John Phillips as first choice goalkeeper.

or Evan Williams.

Oops sorry I should have read the thread properly!!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: itbrvilla on June 03, 2015, 02:36:03 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 03, 2015, 10:26:43 AM

I've already highlighted the feasible and reasonable options for transfers including Jonny Evans. villa will be operating as fit and signings like Evans would make great sense. Add a drogba, or hernandez along with ndoye or ings, Chester, Charlie Adams, Nolan, Phillips and along with micah Richards would be good summer. Heaton or Green as Gk then look to move on players.

Glad you're not in charge!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 03, 2015, 02:45:24 PM

Quote from: itbrvilla on June 03, 2015, 02:36:03 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 03, 2015, 10:26:43 AM

I've already highlighted the feasible and reasonable options for transfers including Jonny Evans. villa will be operating as fit and signings like Evans would make great sense. Add a drogba, or hernandez along with ndoye or ings, Chester, Charlie Adams, Nolan, Phillips and along with micah Richards would be good summer. Heaton or Green as Gk then look to move on players.

Glad you're not in charge!

he's in my bomb squad

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 03, 2015, 03:37:21 PM

Quote from: Legion on April 27, 2015, 05:21:49 PM

He blows hot and cold. A poor-mans Dalian Atkinson if you must. Moments of brilliance then totally frustrating, according to my Wolves supporting HT.

My mate said the same, apparently wolves fans have been telling him to no come to us and now he's not sure alegedly

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 03, 2015, 03:45:27 PM

Oh shit, I've just realised that's from page 1

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on June 03, 2015, 04:10:17 PM

Would like Finnbogason on loan with a view added if Weimann goes, yes he hasn't pulled up any trees so far at Sociedad but there's still a player there.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 03, 2015, 05:16:01 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on June 03, 2015, 08:22:05 AM

I must say I'm worried that we are pretty much only being linked with lower league players again. It's going to catch up with us some time.

It's all speculation at this point, but I would be concerned if we went down that route again.  I even saw the words "young and hungry" crop up again in an article yesterday discussing our transfer plans for the summer.  Obviously top internationals are out of our reach, but I would like to see us go for internationals from the next level down.  I am thinking along the lines of Mellberg, Bouma, Laursen and to some extent, Vlaar (minus the injuries!!).  All international players when they joined and all were relatively inexpensive.  That's the market that I would like to see us operating in this summer.       

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 03, 2015, 06:26:16 PM

Well I'm pretty certain that if we replace Vlaar, Cleverley and Benteke with some guys from Hull and Swindon then we are fucked and Lerner is as bat shit as ever.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 03, 2015, 07:10:48 PM

Yep if Benteke, Cleverley and Vlaar leave it's critical that we replace them with real quality.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 03, 2015, 08:14:53 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 03, 2015, 07:10:48 PM

Yep if Benteke, Cleverley and Vlaar leave it's critical that we replace them with real quality.

Sherwood has a hell of a job this summer. We've coped losing star players before but what's left is pretty mediocre. Thank god for Delph and Grealish.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 03, 2015, 10:05:14 PM

My biggest fear right now is sherwood himself walking out.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on June 03, 2015, 10:11:24 PM

That is not  a situation I worry about and we should not fear. If he walks out that would say more about his lack of substance rather than cast any aspersions towards our Club.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 03, 2015, 10:23:57 PM

Quote from: olaftab on June 03, 2015, 10:11:24 PM

That is not  a situation I worry about and we should not fear. If he walks out that would say more about his lack of substance rather than cast any aspersions towards our Club.

Disagree . What it would show is a young , ambitious manager quite rightly saying no. If the budget is anywhere close to last summer (£8m ??) he needs to walk.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on June 03, 2015, 10:33:01 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 03, 2015, 10:23:57 PM

Quote from: olaftab on June 03, 2015, 10:11:24 PM

That is not  a situation I worry about and we should not fear. If he walks out that would say more about his lack of substance rather than cast any aspersions towards our Club.

Disagree . What it would show is a young , ambitious manager quite rightly saying no. If the budget is anywhere close to last summer (£8m ??) he needs to walk.

I would hope that before he took the job he was made some promises about transfers, provided he kept us up.  This is somewhat backed up by his recent comment that if there was a good case for a purchase and he convinced Lerner/Fox, there would be money available.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 03, 2015, 10:37:49 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 03, 2015, 10:23:57 PM

Quote from: olaftab on June 03, 2015, 10:11:24 PM

That is not  a situation I worry about and we should not fear. If he walks out that would say more about his lack of substance rather than cast any aspersions towards our Club.

Disagree . What it would show is a young , ambitious manager quite rightly saying no. If the budget is anywhere close to last summer (£8m ??) he needs to walk.

Not that there's a single iota of evidence that this is the case. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 03, 2015, 10:38:40 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 03, 2015, 10:23:57 PM

Quote from: olaftab on June 03, 2015, 10:11:24 PM

That is not  a situation I worry about and we should not fear. If he walks out that would say more about his lack of substance rather than cast any aspersions towards our Club.

Disagree . What it would show is a young , ambitious manager quite rightly saying no. If the budget is anywhere close to last summer (£8m ??) he needs to walk.

You've imagined a whole series of events there and report them here as if they're true.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on June 03, 2015, 10:56:41 PM

Quote from: passitsideways on June 03, 2015, 12:36:28 PM

Evans was very good for United the last time they won the title, but that was a couple of seasons ago and it seems like he's completely lost his confidence and composure. I'm not sure that just gets fixed automatically by moving to a club lower down the table.

He, Okore and Clark would be a great set of ball-playing CBs (look at this video here:

) but no one would have any confidence in them avoiding the fuck-ups.

We really need to expand our horizons for players. I don't really fancy cast-offs from teams above us or lower-league gambles.

Evans will be a good signing for someone this summer, Everton I suspect. Confidence needs to be rebuilt but has proven to be a top player before in a league winning side.
But we are ok for left sided central defenders, it's a right sided physical brute with pace that we need to look to partner Clark with. Phil Jones would be my punt with only 12 months left on his deal at Old Trafford. Makeweight in a deal with Benteke perhaps

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 03, 2015, 10:59:12 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 03, 2015, 10:37:49 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 03, 2015, 10:23:57 PM

Quote from: olaftab on June 03, 2015, 10:11:24 PM

That is not  a situation I worry about and we should not fear. If he walks out that would say more about his lack of substance rather than cast any aspersions towards our Club.

Disagree . What it would show is a young , ambitious manager quite rightly saying no. If the budget is anywhere close to last summer (£8m ??) he needs to walk.

Not that there's a single iota of evidence that this is the case.

Correct that's why I said "if".
"If" being the case I'd be straight back down the M1.

Let's hope TS gets proper backing. I hope so but I cannot be sure.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 03, 2015, 11:33:54 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on June 03, 2015, 10:56:41 PM

Quote from: passitsideways on June 03, 2015, 12:36:28 PM

Evans was very good for United the last time they won the title, but that was a couple of seasons ago and it seems like he's completely lost his confidence and composure. I'm not sure that just gets fixed automatically by moving to a club lower down the table.

He, Okore and Clark would be a great set of ball-playing CBs (look at this video here:

) but no one would have any confidence in them avoiding the fuck-ups.

We really need to expand our horizons for players. I don't really fancy cast-offs from teams above us or lower-league gambles.

Evans will be a good signing for someone this summer, Everton I suspect. Confidence needs to be rebuilt but has proven to be a top player before in a league winning side.
But we are ok for left sided central defenders, it's a right sided physical brute with pace that we need to look to partner Clark with. Phil Jones would be my punt with only 12 months left on his deal at Old Trafford. Makeweight in a deal with Benteke perhaps

The same thing was no doubt said about Wes Brown and John O'Shea before him. Just because a player plays in a league winning side doesn't mean that he will look good in a mid-table team. When you've got enough quality to win league titles that can often cover weaknesses which then get exposed elsewhere.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on June 03, 2015, 11:42:19 PM

Quote from: old man villa fan on June 03, 2015, 10:33:01 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 03, 2015, 10:23:57 PM

Quote from: olaftab on June 03, 2015, 10:11:24 PM

That is not  a situation I worry about and we should not fear. If he walks out that would say more about his lack of substance rather than cast any aspersions towards our Club.

Disagree . What it would show is a young , ambitious manager quite rightly saying no. If the budget is anywhere close to last summer (£8m ??) he needs to walk.

I would hope that before he took the job he was made some promises about transfers, provided he kept us up.  This is somewhat backed up by his recent comment that if there was a good case for a purchase and he convinced Lerner/Fox, there would be money available.

Well the good new is that it can't be that hard for TS to put together some evidence to back his case...make Lerner and Fox a cup of tea, pop out for some biscuits and nip down the Villa shop, grab a copy of this seasons DVD and press play. Jobs a good 'un.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 03, 2015, 11:52:13 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 03, 2015, 10:37:49 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 03, 2015, 10:23:57 PM

Quote from: olaftab on June 03, 2015, 10:11:24 PM

That is not  a situation I worry about and we should not fear. If he walks out that would say more about his lack of substance rather than cast any aspersions towards our Club.

Disagree . What it would show is a young , ambitious manager quite rightly saying no. If the budget is anywhere close to last summer (£8m ??) he needs to walk.

Not that there's a single iota of evidence that this is the case. 

Agreed. To begin with he's not even 'young'.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 03, 2015, 11:53:32 PM

I think Lerner, even if not sold, will back Sherwood with 20 million ish this summer of the TV money, plus a good ratio of what he brings in.

Weimann, Lowton and Cissokho going points to a new forward and 2 full backs being pretty high up on his agenda. Add in the departure of Cleverley I think we will be looking at 2 midfield players too. That is 5 already that we need, all of which need to be good enough to start. Tough job.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 03, 2015, 11:57:12 PM

Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on June 03, 2015, 11:52:13 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 03, 2015, 10:37:49 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 03, 2015, 10:23:57 PM

Quote from: olaftab on June 03, 2015, 10:11:24 PM

That is not  a situation I worry about and we should not fear. If he walks out that would say more about his lack of substance rather than cast any aspersions towards our Club.

Disagree . What it would show is a young , ambitious manager quite rightly saying no. If the budget is anywhere close to last summer (£8m ??) he needs to walk.

Not that there's a single iota of evidence that this is the case. 

Agreed. To begin with he's not even 'young'.

Compared to wenger or srralex or Sam or Rafa or dick or Pelegrín , he's a spring kitten

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 04, 2015, 12:02:10 AM

If you assume benteke and cleverley aren't here next year, what proportion of league goals under sherwood will have been scored by players still at the club? Under 10%?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on June 04, 2015, 12:07:32 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 03, 2015, 11:53:32 PM

I think Lerner, even if not sold, will back Sherwood with 20 million ish this summer of the TV money, plus a good ratio of what he brings in.

Weimann, Lowton and Cissokho going points to a new forward and 2 full backs being pretty high up on his agenda. Add in the departure of Cleverley I think we will be looking at 2 midfield players too. That is 5 already that we need, all of which need to be good enough to start. Tough job.

To be at a reasonable PL level you need to be spending £20m a year to just standstill.

I have always looked it very roughly as a match day squad of 16 at an average of £5m = £80m over a 4 year contract i.e. £20m per year.  This is on the basis of not making profit on transfers and players on average only staying for the term of their contract.  Obviously, you do make some profit and some players extend their contracts but this would then be offset by the purchase of the remainder of the squad excluding own developed players.

As I said it is very rough but a good gauge as to the squad strength and a good indicator as to why we have gravitated towards the bottom of the league.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 04, 2015, 12:15:41 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 03, 2015, 11:57:12 PM

Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on June 03, 2015, 11:52:13 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 03, 2015, 10:37:49 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 03, 2015, 10:23:57 PM

Quote from: olaftab on June 03, 2015, 10:11:24 PM

That is not  a situation I worry about and we should not fear. If he walks out that would say more about his lack of substance rather than cast any aspersions towards our Club.

Disagree . What it would show is a young , ambitious manager quite rightly saying no. If the budget is anywhere close to last summer (£8m ??) he needs to walk.

Not that there's a single iota of evidence that this is the case. 

Agreed. To begin with he's not even 'young'.

Compared to wenger or srralex or Sam or Rafa or dick or Pelegrín , he's a spring kitten

All are either retired or will be within the next 5 years. The word I would have used instead of 'young' is 'inexperienced'. He's a virgin.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 04, 2015, 12:28:04 AM

Quote from: old man villa fan on June 04, 2015, 12:07:32 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 03, 2015, 11:53:32 PM

I think Lerner, even if not sold, will back Sherwood with 20 million ish this summer of the TV money, plus a good ratio of what he brings in.

Weimann, Lowton and Cissokho going points to a new forward and 2 full backs being pretty high up on his agenda. Add in the departure of Cleverley I think we will be looking at 2 midfield players too. That is 5 already that we need, all of which need to be good enough to start. Tough job.

To be at a reasonable PL level you need to be spending £20m a year to just standstill.

I have always looked it very roughly as a match day squad of 16 at an average of £5m = £80m over a 4 year contract i.e. £20m per year.  This is on the basis of not making profit on transfers and players on average only staying for the term of their contract.  Obviously, you do make some profit and some players extend their contracts but this would then be offset by the purchase of the remainder of the squad excluding own developed players.

As I said it is very rough but a good gauge as to the squad strength and a good indicator as to why we have gravitated towards the bottom of the league.

I think that is a fair enough assumption.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: warleyboy on June 04, 2015, 12:37:36 AM

Big problem for us is attracting top players, it's just not going to happen.
So unfortunately, it is again about taking a punt On foreigners or championship players.
That's the world we currently live in, we need to face reality.
On top of that, we are based in a location that players do not seem to enjoy, they prefer London, Manchester, God knows why..

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: The Left Side on June 04, 2015, 02:04:40 AM

Looks like TC23 is off to Everton on a 5 year deal, shame but I won't lose too much sleep.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 04, 2015, 06:33:58 AM

Says the guy posting at two in the morning.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 04, 2015, 07:14:03 AM

Quote from: old man villa fan on June 04, 2015, 12:07:32 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 03, 2015, 11:53:32 PM

I think Lerner, even if not sold, will back Sherwood with 20 million ish this summer of the TV money, plus a good ratio of what he brings in.

Weimann, Lowton and Cissokho going points to a new forward and 2 full backs being pretty high up on his agenda. Add in the departure of Cleverley I think we will be looking at 2 midfield players too. That is 5 already that we need, all of which need to be good enough to start. Tough job.

To be at a reasonable PL level you need to be spending £20m a year to just standstill.

What's the basis of that assertion? Have Stoke and Swansea spent £20m net per season?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frank black on June 04, 2015, 07:35:42 AM

I predict we will be spending £39 mil this window.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Damo70 on June 04, 2015, 07:43:22 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 03, 2015, 11:57:12 PM

Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on June 03, 2015, 11:52:13 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 03, 2015, 10:37:49 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 03, 2015, 10:23:57 PM

Quote from: olaftab on June 03, 2015, 10:11:24 PM

That is not  a situation I worry about and we should not fear. If he walks out that would say more about his lack of substance rather than cast any aspersions towards our Club.

Disagree . What it would show is a young , ambitious manager quite rightly saying no. If the budget is anywhere close to last summer (£8m ??) he needs to walk.

Not that there's a single iota of evidence that this is the case. 

Agreed. To begin with he's not even 'young'.

Compared to wenger or srralex or Sam or Rafa or dick or Pelegrín , he's a spring kitten

Sherwood is a year older than me so it suits me fine when people call him young.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aev on June 04, 2015, 07:43:42 AM

The issue is surely not the actual amount we get to spend, rather how much we spend in relation to our competitors?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 04, 2015, 07:50:25 AM

Quote from: Damo70 on June 04, 2015, 07:43:22 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 03, 2015, 11:57:12 PM

Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on June 03, 2015, 11:52:13 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 03, 2015, 10:37:49 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 03, 2015, 10:23:57 PM

Quote from: olaftab on June 03, 2015, 10:11:24 PM

That is not  a situation I worry about and we should not fear. If he walks out that would say more about his lack of substance rather than cast any aspersions towards our Club.

Disagree . What it would show is a young , ambitious manager quite rightly saying no. If the budget is anywhere close to last summer (£8m ??) he needs to walk.

Not that there's a single iota of evidence that this is the case. 

Agreed. To begin with he's not even 'young'.

Compared to wenger or srralex or Sam or Rafa or dick or Pelegrín , he's a spring kitten

Sherwood is a year older than me so it suits me fine when people call him young.

Two years younger than me. Couldnt agree more. He is a puppy really. :)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 04, 2015, 08:06:37 AM

He's young by the standards of a football manager, politician or Pope, quite old compared to the average McDonalds employee, gymnast or paper boy.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on June 04, 2015, 08:27:28 AM

Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on June 04, 2015, 12:15:41 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 03, 2015, 11:57:12 PM

Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on June 03, 2015, 11:52:13 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 03, 2015, 10:37:49 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 03, 2015, 10:23:57 PM

Quote from: olaftab on June 03, 2015, 10:11:24 PM

That is not  a situation I worry about and we should not fear. If he walks out that would say more about his lack of substance rather than cast any aspersions towards our Club.

Disagree . What it would show is a young , ambitious manager quite rightly saying no. If the budget is anywhere close to last summer (£8m ??) he needs to walk.

Not that there's a single iota of evidence that this is the case. 

Agreed. To begin with he's not even 'young'.

Compared to wenger or srralex or Sam or Rafa or dick or Pelegrín , he's a spring kitten

All are either retired or will be within the next 5 years. The word I would have used instead of 'young' is 'inexperienced'. He's a virgin.

Perhaps he should sign Zigic then. Or would that be virgin on the ridiculous?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 04, 2015, 08:29:55 AM

Quote from: aev on June 04, 2015, 07:43:42 AM

The issue is surely not the actual amount we get to spend, rather how much we spend in relation to our competitors?

It's not necessarily the amount he spends but the quality he brings in. He might spend ten mill but use it wisely. However, he might spend a damn sight more and spunk it all away.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 04, 2015, 08:38:37 AM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 04, 2015, 08:06:37 AM

He's young by the standards of a football manager, politician or Pope, quite old compared to the average McDonalds employee, gymnast or paper boy.

I remember Ryan Giggs saying that he went from an old player to a young manager overnight!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard E on June 04, 2015, 08:52:13 AM

According to The Sun* Cabaye has turned us down in favour of Crystal Palace. I don't know whether:-

a) To be pleased that we are looking at that type/quality of player;
b) To kill myself because a player allegedly turned us down in favour of Crystal "sodding" Palace; or
c) Not believe it because it is in The Sun.




*disclaimer - as per the BBC Gossip Column, not directly from The Sun

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on June 04, 2015, 08:54:10 AM

You'd expect that Cabaye would be on 100k a week or so at PSG, so utter bollocks given our financial situation.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 04, 2015, 09:21:24 AM

Quote from: passitsideways on June 04, 2015, 08:54:10 AM

You'd expect that Cabaye would be on 100k a week or so at PSG, so utter bollocks given our financial situation.

Which I suspect is correct.  Good player though and exactly what we could do with in the defensive midfield role. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: David_Nab on June 04, 2015, 09:22:16 AM

The story is he wants to work under Pardew , probably after being benched for almost 2 years he wants a manager who he knows.Probably a little bit of the London pull there too ...but we came 4th bottom we are not going to be that attractive to some players

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 04, 2015, 09:32:27 AM

He would be the exact sort of quality we need.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave Javu on June 04, 2015, 10:11:02 AM

Milner's signed for Liverpool, poor lad.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dr Butler on June 04, 2015, 10:14:11 AM

Quote from: Dave Javu on June 04, 2015, 10:11:02 AM

Milner's signed for Liverpool, poor lad.

wow I thought he had more sense...mind you he will walk straight into that poor team...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Duncan Shaw on June 04, 2015, 10:19:14 AM

Good signing for them, wonder how much they are paying him?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ROBBO on June 04, 2015, 10:23:02 AM

Problem is we are going to have to pay over the odds, unless the money is generous what decent player is going to join Villa, praying for a takeover.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 04, 2015, 10:26:30 AM

Quote from: Dr Butler on June 04, 2015, 10:14:11 AM

Quote from: Dave Javu on June 04, 2015, 10:11:02 AM

Milner's signed for Liverpool, poor lad.

wow I thought he had more sense...mind you he will walk straight into that poor team...

I'm sure he will get his best position and start every game. Pleased for him (not for Liverpool)
One of my favourite Villa players during Lerner era.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Gregorys Boy on June 04, 2015, 10:28:43 AM

Quote from: TheMalandro on June 04, 2015, 10:26:30 AM

Quote from: Dr Butler on June 04, 2015, 10:14:11 AM

Quote from: Dave Javu on June 04, 2015, 10:11:02 AM

Milner's signed for Liverpool, poor lad.

wow I thought he had more sense...mind you he will walk straight into that poor team...

I'm sure he will get his best position and start every game. Pleased for him (not for Liverpool)
One of my favourite Villa players during Lerner era.

Yeah he's had a good run at City and has done about as well as could have been expected there, but he just wants to play most weeks which he should do at Anfield. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 04, 2015, 10:37:59 AM

Thank fuck we don't have to pine over him all fucking season

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: itbrvilla on June 04, 2015, 10:44:16 AM

I think not finishing in the last safe space will put a lot of players off, who will now pick any of the teams above us if they have the chance.  What a fucking disaster of a season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OzVilla on June 04, 2015, 10:52:24 AM

Milner going to Liverpool certainly  makes them a far more attractive proposition for Benteke as he improves them no end. Bugger.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Boz on June 04, 2015, 11:03:37 AM

Quote from: Richard E on June 04, 2015, 08:52:13 AM

According to The Sun* Cabaye has turned us down in favour of Crystal Palace. I don't know whether:-

a) To be pleased that we are looking at that type/quality of player;
b) To kill myself because a player allegedly turned us down in favour of Crystal "sodding" Palace; or
c) Not believe it because it is in The Sun.




*disclaimer - as per the BBC Gossip Column, not directly from The Sun

I fear this sort of rejection by a player is indicative of how Villa are seen after our last few results and performance in the cup final. It appears Cleverley also has a better offer so Tim will need to get his scouts to identify some decent replacements at a cost Villa are willing to pay. This will not be an easy task.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on June 04, 2015, 11:05:56 AM

Unfortunately correct. A spine of Milner and Benteke would instantly turn them into a much stronger team.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on June 04, 2015, 11:07:53 AM

While Milner going there obviously improves them, I really doubt that players will perceive them as being a better proposition just because he's joined.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Boz on June 04, 2015, 11:11:51 AM

Quote from: KRS on June 04, 2015, 11:05:56 AM

Unfortunately correct. A spine of Milner and Benteke would instantly turn them into a much stronger team.

I thought the £32.5m clause was a sticking point for Liverpool who only want to pay £20m.

Maybe Chelsea would like him as a Drogba replacement.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on June 04, 2015, 11:19:40 AM

Well the whole Benteke transfer saga is being played out in the media so at the moment there's no real evidence to support that he's likely to go there or if there's any stick to point with.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OzVilla on June 04, 2015, 11:31:59 AM

Quote from: passitsideways on June 04, 2015, 11:07:53 AM

While Milner going there obviously improves them, I really doubt that players will perceive them as being a better proposition just because he's joined.

They will if Rodgers sells the intent they have to be playing CL football 12 months from now, signings like Milner certainly back up such a claim.

Him and Benteke's would have been the difference in quite a few games for 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' this season IMO.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on June 04, 2015, 11:50:20 AM

Quote from: OzVilla on June 04, 2015, 11:31:59 AM

Quote from: passitsideways on June 04, 2015, 11:07:53 AM

While Milner going there obviously improves them, I really doubt that players will perceive them as being a better proposition just because he's joined.

They will if Rodgers sells the intent they have to be playing CL football 12 months from now, signings like Milner certainly back up such a claim.

Him and Benteke's would have been the difference in quite a few games for 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' this season IMO.

I think these are pretty special circumstances though - it sounds like Milner could've easily gone to Arsenal or City for a similar wage, but he wanted a bigger role. I don't know if other players would recognise such a thing, but if they do, I'm skeptical that they would regard his joining as a particular statement of intent.

Anyway, I don't think Pool makes it into the CL next season even if Benteke joins along: City and United are going to spend a bucketload more money, and it seems like Arsenal has finally managed to find some balance and continuity, which mightn't win them the title, but should keep them easily in the top four.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on June 04, 2015, 12:54:10 PM

I still think that Manure's top four finish this season was something of a dead cat bounce and that we'll see their real progress next season. Or demise, as I would actually like to see.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 04, 2015, 12:55:18 PM

Quote from: Mossie Hennebry on June 04, 2015, 12:54:10 PM

I still think that Manure's top four finish this season was something of a dead cat bounce and that we'll see their real progress next season. Or demise, as I would actually like to see.

You mean after they have spent another £100-150m you expect them to go backwards?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 04, 2015, 01:02:29 PM

Quote from: OzVilla on June 04, 2015, 11:31:59 AM

Quote from: passitsideways on June 04, 2015, 11:07:53 AM

While Milner going there obviously improves them, I really doubt that players will perceive them as being a better proposition just because he's joined.

They will if Rodgers sells the intent they have to be playing CL football 12 months from now, signings like Milner certainly back up such a claim.

Him and Benteke's would have been the difference in quite a few games for 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' this season IMO.

The 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' were terrible, there is no evidence that signing M***** will get them into the champions league

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 04, 2015, 01:03:58 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on June 04, 2015, 01:02:29 PM

Quote from: OzVilla on June 04, 2015, 11:31:59 AM

Quote from: passitsideways on June 04, 2015, 11:07:53 AM

While Milner going there obviously improves them, I really doubt that players will perceive them as being a better proposition just because he's joined.

They will if Rodgers sells the intent they have to be playing CL football 12 months from now, signings like Milner certainly back up such a claim.

Him and Benteke's would have been the difference in quite a few games for 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' this season IMO.

The 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' were terrible, there is no evidence that signing M***** will get them into the champions league

no there isn't, but if they stick him in the middle then we know what he can bring and he will elevate their overall performance. If they are bringing him in to replace Sterling on the right, well they are nuts.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 04, 2015, 01:27:41 PM

Going to take a lot more than Milner, I doubt Benteke would be puersuaded by the chance they might be in the champions league, Im sure he'd prefer to go somewhere where its guarenteed

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on June 04, 2015, 01:31:11 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 04, 2015, 12:55:18 PM

Quote from: Mossie Hennebry on June 04, 2015, 12:54:10 PM

I still think that Manure's top four finish this season was something of a dead cat bounce and that we'll see their real progress next season. Or demise, as I would actually like to see.

You mean after they have spent another £100-150m you expect them to go backwards?

Wouldn't that be just nice.<prays>

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: David_Nab on June 04, 2015, 02:18:46 PM

Quote from: olaftab on June 04, 2015, 01:31:11 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 04, 2015, 12:55:18 PM

Quote from: Mossie Hennebry on June 04, 2015, 12:54:10 PM

I still think that Manure's top four finish this season was something of a dead cat bounce and that we'll see their real progress next season. Or demise, as I would actually like to see.

You mean after they have spent another £100-150m you expect them to go backwards?

Wouldn't that be just nice.<prays>

If they did would likely mean Liverpool in the champs league ...thats a no win situation

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dr Butler on June 04, 2015, 04:02:25 PM

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-run-rule-over-9391557

the Mail reckon we are looking at the Hull defender Robertson...

UTV
The Doc

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 04, 2015, 04:03:41 PM

Quote from: Dr Butler on June 04, 2015, 04:02:25 PM

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-run-rule-over-9391557

the Mail reckon we are looking at the Hull defender Robertson...

UTV
The Doc

From what I've seen he's pretty good going forwards not so good at the backwards stuff... should fit in well.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 04, 2015, 05:48:31 PM

The September 1st transfer deadline time has been changed to help the CL teams.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: walsall villain on June 04, 2015, 05:54:21 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on June 04, 2015, 01:27:41 PM

Going to take a lot more than Milner, I doubt Benteke would be puersuaded by the chance they might be in the champions league, Im sure he'd prefer to go somewhere where its guarenteed

Despite all the media certainty he is going, sky bet have us at favourites to retain his service. I'm guessing it's because the top four won't bid for him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 04, 2015, 06:16:11 PM

Quote from: Dr Butler on June 04, 2015, 04:02:25 PM

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-run-rule-over-9391557

the Mail reckon we are looking at the Hull defender Robertson...

UTV
The Doc

Bearing in mind Sherwood has never signed a player before, the press shouldn't really have too much of a clue as to who he wants.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 04, 2015, 08:36:53 PM

Has sherwood recruited any new scouts are are we still using Lamberts scouting network ?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: gervilla on June 04, 2015, 08:51:59 PM

According to Facebook Andros Town send is in talks with us. There was an other post saying that we are signing Seamus Coleman for £6.5m but I have an inkling that rumour may be horseshit.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 04, 2015, 10:01:55 PM

I think Townsend would do well for us. Bums on seats player.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 04, 2015, 10:23:30 PM

Sherwood loves Townsend so speculation is bound to come for him. Would be a decent signing. He and Sinclair either side of Austin would give us a creative edge with a sharp point.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 04, 2015, 10:25:02 PM

Yeah I think we'll bid for Townsend at some point this summer, Sherwood is clearly a fan as he referenced him when talking about Grealish when he took over.

Let's see given it's Spurs how much of a rip off fee it is.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on June 04, 2015, 10:33:14 PM

Townsend would be a good signing depending on his price tag.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard E on June 04, 2015, 10:33:56 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on June 04, 2015, 10:33:14 PM

Townsend would be a good signing depending on his price tag.

Forget about the price tag.

We just wanna make the world dance.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 04, 2015, 10:34:11 PM

Sherwood played a big part in Townsend's development too so it's probably mutual. He was getting used a lot at Spurs towards the end of the season so he may not be for sale.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on June 04, 2015, 10:38:41 PM

Quote from: Richard E on June 04, 2015, 10:33:56 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on June 04, 2015, 10:33:14 PM

Townsend would be a good signing depending on his price tag.

Forget about the price tag.

We just wanna make the world dance.

We've got a want a way chairman so it's almost certainly about the money, money, money.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on June 04, 2015, 11:19:56 PM

Quote from: Newby on June 04, 2015, 10:01:55 PM

I think Townsend would do well for us. Bums on seats player.

better than tonev or weimann out wide I suppose anyway

thought he was found out as a bit of a one trick pony at Spurs, shoot on sight merchant with a very average goal scoring record

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on June 04, 2015, 11:26:32 PM

Townsend is absolute crap. Has one trick which is to cut inside and ping one into row Z.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 04, 2015, 11:29:17 PM

Hasn't 98% of this site been ripping the piss out of Townsend for the last 2 years.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 04, 2015, 11:53:44 PM

Unfortunately Sherwood is a fan of players drifting inside so Townsend would be that guy. Width is needed and of relegated teams I'd have kightly or  elmohamdy type (don't think Sherwood would go for latter) who can cross the ball. Qpr matt Phillips who offers attacking threat at both crossing and shooting would be a very good option as gives alot of assists and its disgusting the boy didn't have his goal in bbc motd goal of season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 05, 2015, 12:03:28 AM

Matt Phillips had an incredible assist record last season, he would be a good signing for anyone in the bottom half.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 05, 2015, 01:01:23 AM

So from the players we've been linked with...

----------------------Benteke

------Grealish--------Delph-------Townsend-------

-------------Westwood------Cabaye-------------

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 05, 2015, 01:26:43 AM

I thought we had it written into the club bylaws at this point "Never do transfer business with Spurs"?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 05, 2015, 02:18:19 AM

Quote from: Newby on June 04, 2015, 10:01:55 PM

I think Townsend would do well for us. Bums on seats player.

That will not go down with the chap who likes to orchestrate the standing section

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 05, 2015, 05:52:47 AM

Cabeye? That would be stellar but I can't see it happening in a month of Sunday's

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 05, 2015, 06:50:40 AM

Austin linked w Southampton today

I'm prepared to believe there are better options out there - more suited to the benteke role - but I don't know who the are to be honest. Would have to be from abroad I think

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: nigel on June 05, 2015, 07:56:46 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on June 05, 2015, 05:52:47 AM

Cabeye? That would be stellar but I can't see it happening in a month of Sunday's

Yes, would be great, but, off to Crystal Palace by all accounts

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 05, 2015, 08:34:02 AM

It is pretty scary how much better they have been run than us last 5 years

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard E on June 05, 2015, 08:37:12 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 05, 2015, 08:34:02 AM

It is pretty scary how much better they have been run than us last 5 years

You could be talking about virtually every club in the top flight apart from Newcastle and possibly Albion when you say that...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 05, 2015, 08:41:51 AM

If Austin goes saints that should free up Shane Long.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 05, 2015, 08:51:28 AM

I wouldn't mind Townsend. He's like incredibly quick and while he might not be a top 7 or 8 player, he's certainly good enough to do a job from 12th up to that point, a position in the league we'd all find very comfortable for the near future.

I guess that may indicate we'd be going back to a 4-3-3, if there is any truth to it of course, which, there probably isn't.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TaxDodger on June 05, 2015, 09:06:59 AM

My main problem with Townsend is that Spurs would probably want about £15 million for him. Signing Spurs fringe players doesn't seem to work out in most cases. Also, he's clearly an out an out winger. I can't see him playing through the centre in the way Grealish and N'Zogbia have been, so I'm not sure how he is going to fit into Tim's 'our full backs give us our width' formula.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard E on June 05, 2015, 09:15:58 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 05, 2015, 08:41:51 AM

If Austin goes saints that should free up Shane Long.

It'd stop the bugger repeatedly scoring against us.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 05, 2015, 09:31:05 AM

If palace are in the running for cabeye then we should be

I can't believe that's true surely?!?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 05, 2015, 09:32:05 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 05, 2015, 01:01:23 AM

So from the players we've been linked with...

----------------------Benteke

------Grealish--------Delph-------Townsend-------

-------------Westwood------Cabaye-------------

More like:

                Cabaye            Delph

Townsend          Grealish               Sinclair

                          Benteke

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: richard moore on June 05, 2015, 09:46:48 AM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on June 04, 2015, 01:27:41 PM

Going to take a lot more than Milner, I doubt Benteke would be puersuaded by the chance they might be in the champions league, Im sure he'd prefer to go somewhere where its guarenteed

He's not a bad player, Milner, but he's not really CL standard and I certainly wouldn't be worrying if I was one of the other top four or five teams and saw Liverpool signing him. He's fairly average by the standard knocking around in those teams

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on June 05, 2015, 09:48:35 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on June 05, 2015, 09:31:05 AM

If palace are in the running for cabeye then we should be

I can't believe that's true surely?!?

There were rumours last season that Palace had some serious money to spend this summer from new investors.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 05, 2015, 10:08:17 AM

Quote from: PeterWithe on June 05, 2015, 09:48:35 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on June 05, 2015, 09:31:05 AM

If palace are in the running for cabeye then we should be

I can't believe that's true surely?!?

There were rumours last season that Palace had some serious money to spend this summer from new investors.

Haven't their new owners dropped out?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 05, 2015, 10:08:56 AM

Quote from: brontebilly on June 04, 2015, 11:19:56 PM

Quote from: Newby on June 04, 2015, 10:01:55 PM

I think Townsend would do well for us. Bums on seats player.

better than tonev or weimann out wide I suppose anyway

Talk about damning with faint praise .....

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Damo70 on June 05, 2015, 10:21:38 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on June 05, 2015, 09:31:05 AM

If palace are in the running for cabeye then we should be

I can't believe that's true surely?!?

Probably a combination of Pardew and them being in that London. As for the cost,  most PL clubs can afford to push the boat out for at least one or two big signings on big wages, especially with the new TV deal.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 05, 2015, 10:24:15 AM

Quote from: Damo70 on June 05, 2015, 10:21:38 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on June 05, 2015, 09:31:05 AM

If palace are in the running for cabeye then we should be

I can't believe that's true surely?!?

Probably a combination of Pardew and them being in that London. As for the cost,  most PL clubs can afford to push the boat out for at least one or two big signings on big wages, especially with the new TV deal.

I think London would be a big attraction, but at the same time, I don't think we'll be pushing any boats out any time soon.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 05, 2015, 11:04:35 AM

I don't really see the point of Townsend. If we're sticking with this "two number tens" thing then why sign Townsend who wouldn't fit into that formation, and if we're going back to a 4-3-3 with two wide players then why ignore Scott Sinclair at the end of the season (and then sign somebody who scores fewer goals for what would probably be five times the price)

As for the role that Townsend performs, aren't we paying N'Zogbia quite a lot of money to run into people and smash the ball into the Holte End already?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: AV82EC on June 05, 2015, 11:15:34 AM

I thought the new mega TV deal doens't start until the 2016/17 season so anyone thinking we've got oodles to spend is living in fantasy land.  I've seen people mention it a few times so thought I'd be the bearer of bad news again......For me the only way Sherwood gets a decent "warchest" this summer is if Benteke is sold and this is topped off with another lump from the Chairman within FFP boundaries.  DEspiet our shitness for the last 5 years we still ahve a turnover higher than most of the rest of the Premiership so that would give Sherwood some flexibility.

In addition our biggest problem isn't so much tranfer budget as wages. We now have this under control and a few larger salaries will be disappearing this summer so hopefully again Sherwood has room for manouevre.

All that said it will be tight and whilst i can see one or two key signings we won't move far away from looking for value in Northern Europe and the Championship.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on June 05, 2015, 11:16:09 AM

Quote from: Dave on June 05, 2015, 11:04:35 AM

I don't really see the point of Townsend. If we're sticking with this "two number tens" thing then why sign Townsend who wouldn't fit into that formation, and if we're going back to a 4-3-3 with two wide players then why ignore Scott Sinclair at the end of the season (and then sign somebody who scores fewer goals for what would probably be five times the price)

As for the role that Townsend performs, aren't we paying N'Zogbia quite a lot of money to run into people and smash the ball into the Holte End already?

That second paragraph raised the first smile I've managed since Saturday about 5.30.
Thanks Dave.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 05, 2015, 11:21:12 AM

Quote from: tomd2103 on June 05, 2015, 09:32:05 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 05, 2015, 01:01:23 AM

So from the players we've been linked with...

----------------------Benteke

------Grealish--------Delph-------Townsend-------

-------------Westwood------Cabaye-------------

More like:

                Cabaye            Delph

Townsend          Grealish               Sinclair

                          Benteke

Either way, it looks quite exciting. 
Not sure Delph is best used in that deep role though as one of his main strengths is his engine, whereas I think the players in the deepest two need to have tactical discipline.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on June 05, 2015, 11:56:06 AM

I will drink my own semen if Cabaye is legitimately an available option for us.

Maybe we could hypnotise him into thinking Sherwood is actually Houllier?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 05, 2015, 12:55:21 PM

Quote from: passitsideways on June 05, 2015, 11:56:06 AM

I will drink my own semen if Cabaye is legitimately an available option for us.

Not enjoying my lunch as much as a minute ago

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: damon loves JT on June 05, 2015, 01:10:56 PM

Quote from: TheMalandro on June 05, 2015, 12:55:21 PM

Quote from: passitsideways on June 05, 2015, 11:56:06 AM

I will drink my own semen if Cabaye is legitimately an available option for us.

Not enjoying my lunch as much as a minute ago

I don't think I'll be able to finish this pina colada, either

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on June 05, 2015, 01:15:46 PM

A technical question and I am not sure if anyone on here can answer but:
How do you drink semen?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on June 05, 2015, 01:19:53 PM

Quote from: AV82EC on June 05, 2015, 11:15:34 AM

I thought the new mega TV deal doens't start until the 2016/17 season so anyone thinking we've got oodles to spend is living in fantasy land.  I've seen people mention it a few times so thought I'd be the bearer of bad news again......For me the only way Sherwood gets a decent "warchest" this summer is if Benteke is sold and this is topped off with another lump from the Chairman within FFP boundaries.  DEspiet our shitness for the last 5 years we still ahve a turnover higher than most of the rest of the Premiership so that would give Sherwood some flexibility.

In addition our biggest problem isn't so much tranfer budget as wages. We now have this under control and a few larger salaries will be disappearing this summer so hopefully again Sherwood has room for manouevre.

All that said it will be tight and whilst i can see one or two key signings we won't move far away from looking for value in Northern Europe and the Championship.

Need to think outside the box

Quote from: old man villa fan on June 02, 2015, 11:12:37 PM

Some are talking about limited funding being available if Lerner does not sell based on previous experience.  Lerner may not want to invest any more money in the club but we are one year away from a massive increase in TV income that will push all PL clubs further away from the majority of foreign clubs and allow better quality foreign players to be bought.  The time to invest that future income for Villa is now.  Lerner is not short of money and he could easily loan a significant amount or we could borrow the money from external sources until we receive the extra income.  There is a risk that we could get relegated and leave us in difficult financial problems but I am afraid if significant investment is not made now, the risk of going down will be far greater.  Bear in mind that most of the cost of a player these days is in wages and this is paid over the term of the contract.  Similarly, many transfers are based on a down-payment with the remainder paid later.  Taking both into account, most of the expenditure will be after the new TV deal.  The real issue is liquidity and getting around this.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on June 05, 2015, 01:28:20 PM

Quote from: olaftab on June 05, 2015, 01:15:46 PM

A technical question and I am not sure if anyone on here can answer but:
How do you drink semen?

Ask Marc Almond

(or is that just a myth)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 05, 2015, 01:32:07 PM

Linked with Robertson, the LB from Hull, again in the Evening Mail. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Le Lapin on June 05, 2015, 01:34:16 PM

Quote from: TheMalandro on June 05, 2015, 12:55:21 PM

Quote from: passitsideways on June 05, 2015, 11:56:06 AM

I will drink my own semen if Cabaye is legitimately an available option for us.

Not enjoying my lunch as much as a minute ago

He's just put me right off my pint of semen.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on June 05, 2015, 01:49:02 PM

Quote from: AV82EC on June 05, 2015, 11:15:34 AM

I thought the new mega TV deal doens't start until the 2016/17 season so anyone thinking we've got oodles to spend is living in fantasy land.  I've seen people mention it a few times so thought I'd be the bearer of bad news again......For me the only way Sherwood gets a decent "warchest" this summer is if Benteke is sold and this is topped off with another lump from the Chairman within FFP boundaries.  DEspiet our shitness for the last 5 years we still ahve a turnover higher than most of the rest of the Premiership so that would give Sherwood some flexibility.

In addition our biggest problem isn't so much tranfer budget as wages. We now have this under control and a few larger salaries will be disappearing this summer so hopefully again Sherwood has room for manouevre.

All that said it will be tight and whilst i can see one or two key signings we won't move far away from looking for value in Northern Europe and the Championship.

which makes it even more imperative not to get relegated this season even if it means going over budget on the spending for this coming season. You can pretty much guarantee that all the clubs in and around the trap door come January will be spending whatever it takes to avoid the drop so better to do it a window early and try not to be involved in that scramble

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on June 05, 2015, 01:58:27 PM

Quote from: Dave on June 05, 2015, 11:04:35 AM

I don't really see the point of Townsend. If we're sticking with this "two number tens" thing then why sign Townsend who wouldn't fit into that formation, and if we're going back to a 4-3-3 with two wide players then why ignore Scott Sinclair at the end of the season (and then sign somebody who scores fewer goals for what would probably be five times the price)

As for the role that Townsend performs, aren't we paying N'Zogbia quite a lot of money to run into people and smash the ball into the Holte End already?

Didn't TS say that he'll be looking to implement different ways of playing next season and utilise the strengths of all the players in the squad? Some games will suit wingers, some will suit a more central gameplan. Having the ability in your locker to change from plan A to plan B by making a tactical change or substitution is something we've all been crying out for in recent seasons so I wouldn't rule out any players we're linked with on the basis that they don't fit into a particular formation.

My theory with his tenure so far is that he's looked at the squad in training, and created a couple of simple gameplans that he felt they were capable of following...the high tempo passing game worked and had us playing some of the best football we've seen for a while, but persistently lumping it into the box to Benteke failed mainly as a result of poor quality crosses or Benteke not being arsed to attack the ball (even if Benteke scored most his goals as a result of a ball into the box).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: gervilla on June 05, 2015, 04:11:27 PM

Latest fb rumours as to who has been at BMH today. .. Ryan Mason & Kieran Trippier.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 05, 2015, 04:15:47 PM

Quote from: gervilla on June 05, 2015, 04:11:27 PM

Latest fb rumours as to who has been at BMH today. .. Ryan Mason & Kieran Trippier.

Was mason the guy who wound benteke up?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 05, 2015, 04:18:10 PM

Quote from: TheMalandro on June 05, 2015, 04:15:47 PM

Quote from: gervilla on June 05, 2015, 04:11:27 PM

Latest fb rumours as to who has been at BMH today. .. Ryan Mason & Kieran Trippier.

Was mason the guy who wound benteke up?

Yes.

I can't see them letting him go, though. He's just broken into the England side (improbably enough).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 05, 2015, 04:28:19 PM

No chance with Mason and not the type we need anyway. Trippier's been speculated about and doesn't sound like a bad shout but I doubt there's anyone at BMH at this time other than the grounds staff.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john2710 on June 05, 2015, 04:35:01 PM

It could be a hangover from last week but I'm already depressed about next season.

I simply don't see Lerner giving Sherwood the sort of money needed to turn us into a comfortable mid-table side & Sherwood is unproven in a transfer window.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: nigel on June 05, 2015, 04:43:48 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on June 05, 2015, 09:31:05 AM

If palace are in the running for cabeye then we should be

I can't believe that's true surely?!?

The Sun: Yohan Cabaye has snubbed a potential move to Aston Villa - to link up with Alan Pardew at Crystal Palace. Tim Sherwood wanted the former Newcastle star, 29, to add creativity to Villa's midfield, which was shown up against Arsenal in Saturday's FA Cup final. He had initially sounded out Paris St Germain about taking their unsettled midfielder on a season-long loan deal with an option to buy.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 05, 2015, 05:01:04 PM

Believe it when I see it!

Why on earth would Ryan mason come to villa?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard E on June 05, 2015, 05:05:00 PM

Quote from: OCD on June 05, 2015, 04:28:19 PM

No chance with Mason and not the type we need anyway. Trippier's been speculated about and doesn't sound like a bad shout but I doubt there's anyone at BMH at this time other than the grounds staff.

Especially as Sherwood's on holiday.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 05, 2015, 05:18:41 PM

I'm not even so sure Sherwood is going to be in for Robertson and Trippier. Didn't he say that there are too many players here that are used to losing? So how does signing players that have spent all season losing tie in with that?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 05, 2015, 06:16:12 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on June 05, 2015, 05:18:41 PM

I'm not even so sure Sherwood is going to be in for Robertson and Trippier. Didn't he say that there are too many players here that are used to losing? So how does signing players that have spent all season losing tie in with that?

The counter to that is how many Chelsea/Man Utd/Arsenal/Man City players are we likely to attract and do we want players that would see us as a step down? Same goes for all the other sides around Europe that win most of their games.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 05, 2015, 06:19:34 PM

If vlaar takes longer than five days to think about his contract I'd withdraw it.
I may be wrong but I think his attitude during the end of the summer and again in the new year caused a stink in the squad.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TopDeck113 on June 05, 2015, 06:28:52 PM

Kieran Trippier's mum works in my local convenience store and his cousin goes to my school.  I'll see what I can find out...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on June 05, 2015, 06:53:09 PM

I'd like to see us go for Will Hughes from Derby. He'd be ideal in our midfield.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 05, 2015, 07:05:52 PM

Mason is more of a destroyer isn't he?  Not sure about him. Would sooner have Benteleb from them but neither are very likely unless money is there after all.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on June 05, 2015, 07:38:10 PM

Quote from: john2710 on June 05, 2015, 04:35:01 PM

It could be a hangover from last week but I'm already depressed about next season.

I simply don't see Lerner giving Sherwood the sort of money needed to turn us into a comfortable mid-table side & Sherwood is unproven in a transfer window.

Not a chance. If he sells the club that would help. If we have heard nothing by July I will have doubts about his intentions. Which is more or less what I said at this time last year.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 05, 2015, 07:46:52 PM

Well IMHO the club is miles away from any sale. Benteke will leave and I reckon Lerner will give TS between £15-20 to rebuild. Relegation is a serious concern again next season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 05, 2015, 08:04:50 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 05, 2015, 07:46:52 PM

Well IMHO the club is miles away from any sale. Benteke will leave and I reckon Lerner will give TS between £15-20 to rebuild. Relegation is a serious concern again next season.

That's tight even for Lerner.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 05, 2015, 08:11:52 PM

Quote from: OCD on June 05, 2015, 08:04:50 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 05, 2015, 07:46:52 PM

Well IMHO the club is miles away from any sale. Benteke will leave and I reckon Lerner will give TS between £15-20 to rebuild. Relegation is a serious concern again next season.

That's tight even for Lerner.

It was £7m last summer

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 05, 2015, 08:17:46 PM

Cleverley has gone to Everton ... but ... but Merson said he would move to London because his missus is from London. How did this happen? Why did you lie Merse?

Don't care about losing him. Care about replacing him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ROBBO on June 05, 2015, 09:17:05 PM

Sherwood is quickly going to realise that finishing seventeenth in the premiership makes us a very unattractive proposition, the only way out is for a new owner to come in who will throw silly money to attract players who normally wouldn't look at us twice.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on June 05, 2015, 09:32:42 PM

I think we need 25 millions plus transfer sales to rebulid the team with couple of great additions via free transfer market. Let hope Tim and Paddy got  a plan.

So if we get 35 millions on Benteke (Benetiz might want to sign him for Real Madrid rumour) plus say 10 millions from sales and 25 that could be 70 millions pounds to spend on say 9 players. So it is not too bleak if this happens.  (Plus potential new owner can increase budget)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 05, 2015, 09:35:35 PM

£70m yeah ok  ;)
In terms of FFP rules what is our max budget anyhow ?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: clash city rocker on June 05, 2015, 10:00:36 PM

If anyone thinks we will spend £70m on players this summer then be careful that the police don't raid and search your house.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on June 05, 2015, 10:14:41 PM

I think we'll have around £11m minus Sinclair's fee this summer, more may be added if move some of the deadwood on.

10/11 £8m (spent £30m in Jan)
11/12 £16m
12/13 £21.2m
13/14 £18.4m
14/15 £8.5m (+loan fee)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 05, 2015, 10:32:11 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 05, 2015, 08:11:52 PM

Quote from: OCD on June 05, 2015, 08:04:50 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 05, 2015, 07:46:52 PM

Well IMHO the club is miles away from any sale. Benteke will leave and I reckon Lerner will give TS between £15-20 to rebuild. Relegation is a serious concern again next season.

That's tight even for Lerner.

It was £7m last summer

That's still a lot more than £15 - £20

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 05, 2015, 10:36:48 PM

We probably need to spend £30 million.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 05, 2015, 10:39:55 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 05, 2015, 10:32:11 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 05, 2015, 08:11:52 PM

Quote from: OCD on June 05, 2015, 08:04:50 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 05, 2015, 07:46:52 PM

Well IMHO the club is miles away from any sale. Benteke will leave and I reckon Lerner will give TS between £15-20 to rebuild. Relegation is a serious concern again next season.

That's tight even for Lerner.

It was £7m last summer

That's still a lot more than £15 - £20

Ahh I see now  ;) sell Benteke and it may be true (net)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on June 05, 2015, 10:41:56 PM

Although it does seem that new managers get a lot more money to spend in their first season than others, fingers crossed then.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 05, 2015, 11:05:58 PM

My guess is 20M net and we won't sell Beneteke.

I base this on

a.) Blind optimism
b.) Randy is stepping down as chairman and leaving Fox in charge. I think his remit will be as simple as "just keep the club in the black". Given the wages freeing up and premier league money plus our FA cup cash I think 20M is a reasonable number.

Anyway, my guess for how many marbles are in the jar.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 05, 2015, 11:17:40 PM

Considering the message last summer was that the wage bill was now at a level that was manageable, taking off Bent this summer will further enhance that, as will the 40k we were paying to Cleverley. If Vlaar goes it is a further 30k or so. Fees wise I reckon Randy will offer up 5-10 million and the club will find 10-15 million of the TV funds etc to give Sherwood a budget between 20 and 25 million without the sale of Benteke, plus what he can generate through any other sales. I also think we will be pretty active in the loan market.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on June 05, 2015, 11:22:50 PM

I am now going to bed happily thinking about who we can spend our 70 million on

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on June 05, 2015, 11:23:06 PM

So excited

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on June 05, 2015, 11:35:47 PM

This is our year!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 05, 2015, 11:43:00 PM

Buzzing off my tits. Falcao for a few weeks?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on June 06, 2015, 12:04:05 AM

twitter nonsense seems to have Townsend at bodymoor heath today..

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 06, 2015, 12:19:30 AM

Is Townsend not with the England squad?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on June 06, 2015, 12:42:22 AM

Quote from: villadelph on June 06, 2015, 12:04:05 AM

twitter nonsense seems to have Townsend at bodymoor heath today..

Knowing our luck it'll be Andy looking to take Jack Woodwards job.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 06, 2015, 12:59:58 AM

I think Cleverly heralds the run for the exit and not surprising after the FA Cup Final.
The problem is how do we replace the crap and the decent.
Looks like a complete rebuilding job and that can not be done without decent funds.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on June 06, 2015, 02:56:58 AM

Quote from: Newby on June 06, 2015, 12:19:30 AM

Is Townsend not with the England squad?

Yep.

Midfielders
Ross Barkley (Everton), Fabian Delph (Aston Villa), Jordan Henderson (Liverpool), Adam Lallana (Liverpool), Ryan Mason (Tottenham Hotspur), James Milner (Manchester City), Raheem Sterling   (Liverpool), Andros Townsend (Tottenham Hotspur), Theo Walcott (Arsenal), Jack Wilshere (Arsenal)

...obviously with Cleverley replacing Mason.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 06, 2015, 06:35:00 AM

Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 05, 2015, 11:43:00 PM

Buzzing off my tits. Falcao for a few weeks?

Why stop there, take Di Maria aswell as a package.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on June 06, 2015, 08:09:14 AM

Quote from: KRS on June 06, 2015, 02:56:58 AM

...obviously with Cleverley replacing Mason.

Manure replacing dung!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 06, 2015, 08:24:43 AM

The last week has not been the greatest.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard E on June 06, 2015, 08:27:10 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 06, 2015, 08:24:43 AM

The last week has not been the greatest.

That is 'Emperor Hirohito speaking after Hiroshima' level of understatement.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 06, 2015, 08:35:11 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 06, 2015, 08:24:43 AM

The last week has not been the greatest.

The fear is there is always the potential for us to do something incredibly stupid because we are owned by a goon. At any moment he could get one of his brain waves.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: walsall villain on June 06, 2015, 08:37:29 AM

Quote from: Richard E on June 06, 2015, 08:27:10 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 06, 2015, 08:24:43 AM

The last week has not been the greatest.

That is 'Emperor Hirohito speaking after Hiroshima' level of understatement.

We collectively say never again to such a close call with relegation and hope for signs of action to turn things around. At the moment I can't see any. Nothing seems to be happening regarding the end of season takeover the press banged on about and we have to suffer never ending stories of players leaving with nothing to excite us regarding players coming in. I guess the reality is that it's holiday time and nothing much will happen until the players return for pre season, so just a month or so of depressing media rumours to endure.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 06, 2015, 09:06:21 AM

I may be completely wrong, but I wonder if the those at the club are aware of the magnitude of the work required this summer. We cannot limp along in the bargain basement.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on June 06, 2015, 09:08:14 AM

Paul. Yes we can and we probably will!  As I suspect you realise.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve R on June 06, 2015, 09:28:30 AM

Quote from: KRS on June 06, 2015, 02:56:58 AM

Quote from: Newby on June 06, 2015, 12:19:30 AM

Is Townsend not with the England squad?

Yep.

Midfielders
Ross Barkley (Everton), Fabian Delph (Aston Villa), Jordan Henderson (Liverpool), Adam Lallana (Liverpool), Ryan Mason (Tottenham Hotspur), James Milner (Manchester City), Raheem Sterling   (Liverpool), Andros Townsend (Tottenham Hotspur), Theo Walcott (Arsenal), Jack Wilshere (Arsenal)

...obviously with Cleverley replacing Mason.

As Cleverley is on loan to us until the end of the season (June 30?), does he still count as a Villa player if he gets capped?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 06, 2015, 09:43:16 AM

No. Already checked. His loan ran out on May 31st. He's a Man Utd player again till he signs for Everton when the transfer window opens.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 06, 2015, 09:44:00 AM

I'd imagine ross Barkley is off to man city. Cleverly hardly a replacement but good luck to him

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 06, 2015, 09:49:44 AM

Barkley's just the new Rodwell. Massively overhyped.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 06, 2015, 09:52:27 AM

Berkley has done well so far because he is a big bloke, despite his age. Now he needs to find a position, as he was massively underwhelming last season.

Everton will continue to job in midtable now that Martinez has managed to work his magic on their defence.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Damo70 on June 06, 2015, 10:44:54 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 06, 2015, 09:06:21 AM

I may be completely wrong, but I wonder if the those at the club are aware of the magnitude of the work required this summer. We cannot limp along in the bargain basement.

We have been limping along for a while now. Hopefully we can do a George Cowley and make our limp just disappear.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 06, 2015, 10:57:01 AM

but are we professional enough?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 06, 2015, 11:36:44 AM

Quote from: Damo70 on June 06, 2015, 10:44:54 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 06, 2015, 09:06:21 AM

I may be completely wrong, but I wonder if the those at the club are aware of the magnitude of the work required this summer. We cannot limp along in the bargain basement.

We have been limping along for a while now. Hopefully we can do a George Cowley and make our limp just disappear.

I don't understand this reference, so I'll stick with Keyser Soze.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on June 06, 2015, 12:06:26 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 06, 2015, 08:24:43 AM

The last week has not been the greatest.

OK we stank the place out but I still think being at Wembley in an FA cup final was great. An achievement not accomplished by 18 other PL teams. We just need to be there ot thereabout more often.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on June 06, 2015, 03:20:52 PM

We've been linked with centre-back called Florentin Pogba for a reported fee of £2.5m

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 06, 2015, 03:43:58 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on June 06, 2015, 03:20:52 PM

We've been linked with centre-back called Florentin Pogba for a reported fee of £2.5m

Ok but only if he brings the other Pogba along with him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on June 06, 2015, 04:15:45 PM

Quote from: OCD on June 06, 2015, 03:43:58 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on June 06, 2015, 03:20:52 PM

We've been linked with centre-back called Florentin Pogba for a reported fee of £2.5m

Ok but only if he brings the other Pogba along with him.

We should be able to get him as well, he's at Crawley so definitely in our price range ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on June 06, 2015, 04:31:01 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on June 06, 2015, 03:20:52 PM

We've been linked with centre-back called Florentin Pogba for a reported fee of £2.5m

More CBs..? I can think of more appropriate needs.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on June 06, 2015, 04:34:17 PM

Not sure if this has been posted but Bruce being a twat...again ! (from Birmingham Mail)

Quote

Aston Villa have been warned they won't get Hull defender Andrew Robertson on the cheap.

Tigers boss Steve Bruce puts the 21-year-old left-back in the same bracket as Luke Shaw who moved from Southampton to Manchester United for £30 million last summer.

And Bruce insists a £12 million price-tag being mentioned in connection with the Scottish youngster "would just about buy his right leg- and he's left-footed."

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 06, 2015, 04:38:52 PM

Quote from: olaftab on June 06, 2015, 04:34:17 PM

Not sure if this has been posted but Bruce being a twat...again ! (from Birmingham Mail)

Quote

Aston Villa have been warned they won't get Hull defender Andrew Robertson on the cheap.

Tigers boss Steve Bruce puts the 21-year-old left-back in the same bracket as Luke Shaw who moved from Southampton to Manchester United for £30 million last summer.

And Bruce insists a £12 million price-tag being mentioned in connection with the Scottish youngster "would just about buy his right leg- and he's left-footed."

He couldn't get into a side that got relegated so his valuations are about right then. You have to wonder what some of these managers are smoking.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on June 06, 2015, 05:13:00 PM

Signed for Hull for nearly £3m and he expects 10 times the amount after a year and making less than 30 appearances...in that case we shouldn't accept anything less than £100m for Benteke based on Bruce valuations.

This is confirmed in the Metro (http://metro.co.uk/2015/06/05/hull-city-slap-30m-transfer-fee-on-arsenal-target-andrew-robertson-5231924/) in relation to "alleged" interest from Arsenal.

Also this Metro article suggests Arsenal (http://metro.co.uk/2015/06/05/arsenal-make-29-4million-transfer-offer-for-napoli-striker-gonzalo-higuain-5231650/) and Chelsea (http://metro.co.uk/2015/06/06/chelsea-consider-29-1m-transfer-of-napoli-striker-gonzalo-higuain-5232966/) are looking for players with CL experience so they may not be in for Benteke...but seeing as both articles are almost identical and written by the same journo then I'd say he's just edging his bets and talking shite.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 06, 2015, 05:25:03 PM

I'd prefer Benteke if he leaves to go abroad.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 06, 2015, 06:12:26 PM

Quote from: villadelph on June 06, 2015, 04:31:01 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on June 06, 2015, 03:20:52 PM

We've been linked with centre-back called Florentin Pogba for a reported fee of £2.5m

More CBs..? I can think of more appropriate needs.

You're right because our defence was so healthy and superb all season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on June 06, 2015, 06:46:34 PM

Quote from: villadelph on June 06, 2015, 04:31:01 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on June 06, 2015, 03:20:52 PM

We've been linked with centre-back called Florentin Pogba for a reported fee of £2.5m

More CBs..? I can think of more appropriate needs.

Our fundamental need is to stop leaking goals and have a back five that can stay injury free. Currently, we have Senderos, Vlaar and Baker all of whose fitness is unreliable.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on June 06, 2015, 06:53:35 PM

I would love to see the expression on Bruce's face when Robertson's Agent walks into his office in a few weeks time demanding a wage  commensurate with his transfer value!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 06, 2015, 07:17:39 PM

I know that mitrovic is meant to be batshit crazy, and I've never seen him play. But the YouTube video does look quite promising at least (obviously a huge health warning on that)

http://youtu.be/iDVwSodI6Gg

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rigadon on June 06, 2015, 08:04:48 PM

Quote from: Ads on June 06, 2015, 05:25:03 PM

I'd prefer Benteke if he leaves to go abroad.

That would be merciful. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on June 06, 2015, 08:32:20 PM

I doubt Benteke will go abroad.  He has a Premier League premium in that he has a good track record here.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on June 06, 2015, 10:16:32 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 06, 2015, 06:12:26 PM

Quote from: villadelph on June 06, 2015, 04:31:01 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on June 06, 2015, 03:20:52 PM

We've been linked with centre-back called Florentin Pogba for a reported fee of £2.5m

More CBs..? I can think of more appropriate needs.

You're right because our defence was so healthy and superb all season.

Quote from: Mister E on June 06, 2015, 06:46:34 PM

Quote from: villadelph on June 06, 2015, 04:31:01 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on June 06, 2015, 03:20:52 PM

We've been linked with centre-back called Florentin Pogba for a reported fee of £2.5m

More CBs..? I can think of more appropriate needs.

Our fundamental need is to stop leaking goals and have a back five that can stay injury free. Currently, we have Senderos, Vlaar and Baker all of whose fitness is unreliable.

Vlaar, Baker, Clark, Okore, Senderos.. While not the most talented bunch it is arguably our deepest position. Yeah let's address that when we're soon to have no adequate strikers and such phenomenal outside backs.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard E on June 06, 2015, 10:19:24 PM

Quote from: olaftab on June 06, 2015, 06:53:35 PM

I would love to see the expression on Bruce's face when Robertson's Agent walks into his office in a few weeks time demanding a wage  commensurate with his transfer value!

In the Championship at that!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 06, 2015, 10:22:15 PM

Quote from: olaftab on June 06, 2015, 06:53:35 PM

I would love to see the expression on Bruce's face when Robertson's Agent walks into his office in a few weeks time demanding a wage  commensurate with his transfer value!

Or the look on his face when he is handed his P45 for the horrendous job that he did last season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 06, 2015, 10:25:14 PM

Quote from: Dave on June 06, 2015, 10:22:15 PM

Quote from: olaftab on June 06, 2015, 06:53:35 PM

I would love to see the expression on Bruce's face when Robertson's Agent walks into his office in a few weeks time demanding a wage  commensurate with his transfer value!

Or the look on his face when he is handed his P45 for the horrendous job that he did last season.

Didn't he sign a brand new contract just a few weeks ago?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 06, 2015, 10:26:17 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 06, 2015, 10:25:14 PM

Quote from: Dave on June 06, 2015, 10:22:15 PM

Quote from: olaftab on June 06, 2015, 06:53:35 PM

I would love to see the expression on Bruce's face when Robertson's Agent walks into his office in a few weeks time demanding a wage  commensurate with his transfer value!

Or the look on his face when he is handed his P45 for the horrendous job that he did last season.

Didn't he sign a brand new contract just a few weeks ago?

Yup, he pulled a Lambert - gets a new contract as a reward for two victories.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: adrenachrome on June 06, 2015, 10:29:21 PM

Quote from: Richard E on June 06, 2015, 10:19:24 PM

Quote from: olaftab on June 06, 2015, 06:53:35 PM

I would love to see the expression on Bruce's face when Robertson's Agent walks into his office in a few weeks time demanding a wage  commensurate with his transfer value!

In the Championship at that!

If the agent uses the word "commensurate" Brucie will probably chin him for polysyllabic pretentiousness.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 06, 2015, 11:05:56 PM

Offer anything around 5 million considering they have just gone down their chairman will take the choice out of Bruces podgy little paws

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 06, 2015, 11:09:42 PM

Quote from: villadelph on June 06, 2015, 10:16:32 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 06, 2015, 06:12:26 PM

Quote from: villadelph on June 06, 2015, 04:31:01 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on June 06, 2015, 03:20:52 PM

We've been linked with centre-back called Florentin Pogba for a reported fee of £2.5m

More CBs..? I can think of more appropriate needs.

You're right because our defence was so healthy and superb all season.

Quote from: Mister E on June 06, 2015, 06:46:34 PM

Quote from: villadelph on June 06, 2015, 04:31:01 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on June 06, 2015, 03:20:52 PM

We've been linked with centre-back called Florentin Pogba for a reported fee of £2.5m

More CBs..? I can think of more appropriate needs.

Our fundamental need is to stop leaking goals and have a back five that can stay injury free. Currently, we have Senderos, Vlaar and Baker all of whose fitness is unreliable.

Vlaar, Baker, Clark, Okore, Senderos.. While not the most talented bunch it is arguably our deepest position. Yeah let's address that when we're soon to have no adequate strikers and such phenomenal outside backs.

I'm not sure it's quite right to consider Vlaar as part of that unit anymore.

And assuming he leaves (and there are no signs to suggest that he'll be staying) having Senderos and Baker as two of our four centre-halves is a pretty quick way to get to two fit centre-halves pretty quickly.

Personally I'd have said holding midfield is the place that we have the most depth* - Westwood, Sanchez and Gardner all playing for one position.

*unless you count ineffective wide-forward or unreliable left-back as positions.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 06, 2015, 11:47:46 PM

Every one of our CB's were out injured at some point during the season. The irony being the healthiest one was the bloke who missed pretty much all of last season through a serious injury and even he was breaking down by the end.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 07, 2015, 01:15:37 PM

Benteke linked with Tottenham in the Sun today. Bit surprised they haven't mentioned potential player swaps given Tish's links to their younger players.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 07, 2015, 01:27:58 PM

but they only want to bid 20m! what a load of old bollocks.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 07, 2015, 01:46:44 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 07, 2015, 01:27:58 PM

but they only want to bid 20m! what a load of old bollocks.

They can bid £20M if they want.

And after we've stopped laughing, we can tell the to go fuck themselves and come back when they're ready to be sensible

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard E on June 07, 2015, 01:57:59 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on June 07, 2015, 01:46:44 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 07, 2015, 01:27:58 PM

but they only want to bid 20m! what a load of old bollocks.

They can bid £20M if they want.

And after we've stopped laughing, we can tell the to go fuck themselves and come back when they're ready to be sensible

'Hello? Mr Levy? Yes, this is Aston Villa calling. We were just checking whether you knew there was a typo in this email you've sent us tabling your £200m bid for Christian Benteke?'

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 07, 2015, 03:33:47 PM

Big Ben will only consider champions leagues teams. I'd rather he went abroad too bad then to Roma or Wolfsburg or something. Speaking of centre half's Paul mcShane seemingly out of contract and would provide good competition in defence. Think he could be a far cheaper alternative and international pedigree. Puts in effort when I see him play.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 07, 2015, 03:36:45 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 07, 2015, 03:33:47 PM

Big Ben will only consider champions leagues teams. I'd rather he went abroad too bad then to Roma or Wolfsburg or something. Speaking of centre half's Paul mcShane seemingly out of contract and would provide good competition in defence. Think he could be a far cheaper alternative and international pedigree. Puts in effort when I see him play.

Paul Fucking McShane? Do you actually want us to get better?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 07, 2015, 03:42:09 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 07, 2015, 03:36:45 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 07, 2015, 03:33:47 PM

Big Ben will only consider champions leagues teams. I'd rather he went abroad too bad then to Roma or Wolfsburg or something. Speaking of centre half's Paul mcShane seemingly out of contract and would provide good competition in defence. Think he could be a far cheaper alternative and international pedigree. Puts in effort when I see him play.

Paul Fucking McShane? Do you actually want us to get better?

Bring in johnny Evans and mcshane as back up
He's better than Williamson and younger than a clint hill or duff. He  would know Clark and given as a defensive block.. if sendeerous and concrete went mcshane would work as back up to okore and Clark and baker. If we have to bring in centre halves on a free then can't think of too many good aged prem experienced players.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 07, 2015, 03:47:36 PM

I don't even know where to start with your response, but how about we don't bring in any washed up PL footballers ever again? That would be an ace starting point.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on June 07, 2015, 03:56:15 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 07, 2015, 03:47:36 PM

I don't even know where to start with your response, but how about we don't bring in any washed up PL footballers ever again? That would be an ace starting point.

Here's a better idea: bring in Altidore as back-up CB? - after all, we know how good he is, on Villakicks' say-so.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on June 07, 2015, 04:00:00 PM

Genuine question this 'footyskillz'. Have you ever watched Paul McShane play football? Or Jay Spearing? Or Jozy Altidore? Or any of your other batshit crazy suggestions?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 07, 2015, 04:09:06 PM

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/endendevertraegeliste/wettbewerb/GB1/jahr/2015

These are players who are out of contract at prem clubs.

Plus when trying to sign likes of ferdinand , Dempsey, countinho even Ki and rickie Lambert and  haven't pulled off . then the suggestions arent so crazy as to where we are at time. If course neymar , bale and pique and pogba would do lovely but Cole, senderous and cleverly is where its at so fiscal signings are definitely in realms of more reality than fantasy .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard E on June 07, 2015, 04:10:49 PM

Fair point. There is absolutely no middle ground between Bale and Neymar on one hand and Altidore and McShane on the other.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on June 07, 2015, 04:26:16 PM

I swear footyskillz must be on a wind up or is as thick as pig shit. Paul McShane?! PAUL MCFUCKINSHANE???!!! Fuck my life!!!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on June 07, 2015, 04:44:40 PM

He's a wind up.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 07, 2015, 05:11:04 PM

I'm not even sayin mcshane greatest defender but its okay as anyone is to speculate. The metro and other paper/internet print speculation I think its reasonable to suggest an out of contract player. Anyhow believe me if villa have new owners then I would be suggesting far more realistic targets thanks. Have a nice evening.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 07, 2015, 05:14:32 PM

I mean optimistic targets!!
For eg Berhanio, Ashley Williams, Sigurdson, Townsend.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Pete3206 on June 07, 2015, 05:19:44 PM

Mentions of Dozy Altidore, reminds me that Giovinco has been outstanding for Toronto so far this season. How did he end up there? He's currently partnering Luke Moore in attack.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on June 07, 2015, 05:27:06 PM

Boro forums reckon we've agreed a fee for George Friend?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 07, 2015, 06:04:57 PM

Quote from: Pete3206 on June 07, 2015, 05:19:44 PM

Mentions of Dozy Altidore, reminds me that Giovinco has been outstanding for Toronto so far this season. How did he end up there? He's currently partnering Luke Moore in attack.

He scored two lovely goals yesterday. He played a bit for Juventus but I'm wondering if he was overlooked because of his height. He's only 5'4" but very skilful.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on June 07, 2015, 06:07:01 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on June 07, 2015, 05:27:06 PM

Boro forums reckon we've agreed a fee for George Friend?

is @TransferNews3 reliable?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on June 07, 2015, 06:11:13 PM

Quote from: Pete3206 on June 07, 2015, 05:19:44 PM

Mentions of Dozy Altidore, reminds me that Giovinco has been outstanding for Toronto so far this season. How did he end up there? He's currently partnering Luke Moore in attack.

Highest paid Italian player in the world. That's why!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 07, 2015, 06:12:37 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 07, 2015, 05:11:04 PM

I'm not even sayin mcshane greatest defender but its okay as anyone is to speculate. The metro and other paper/internet print speculation I think its reasonable to suggest an out of contract player. Anyhow believe me if villa have new owners then I would be suggesting far more realistic targets thanks. Have a nice evening.

If Villa had new owners, you'd be suggesting signing someone like Jozy Altidore.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on June 07, 2015, 06:14:59 PM

Quote from: KRS on June 07, 2015, 04:26:16 PM

I swear footyskillz must be on a wind up or is as thick as pig shit. Paul McShane?! PAUL MCFUCKINSHANE???!!! Fuck my life!!!

Go easy chap.

He might be a lunatic. But he's our lunatic.

Place would be duller without him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Risso on June 07, 2015, 06:16:54 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on June 07, 2015, 01:46:44 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 07, 2015, 01:27:58 PM

but they only want to bid 20m! what a load of old bollocks.

They can bid £20M if they want.

And after we've stopped laughing, we can tell the to go fuck themselves and come back when they're ready to be sensible

£20m would be great!  We could use £10m of it to buy Harry Kane.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on June 07, 2015, 06:25:01 PM

Quote from: Pete3206 on June 07, 2015, 05:19:44 PM

Mentions of Dozy Altidore, reminds me that Giovinco has been outstanding for Toronto so far this season. How did he end up there? He's currently partnering Luke Moore in attack.

The $150k a week probably was a big factor.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 07, 2015, 06:37:47 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on June 07, 2015, 05:27:06 PM

Boro forums reckon we've agreed a fee for George Friend?

He looked pretty woeful against pace in the play off final.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard E on June 07, 2015, 06:39:24 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 07, 2015, 06:37:47 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on June 07, 2015, 05:27:06 PM

Boro forums reckon we've agreed a fee for George Friend?

He looked pretty woeful against pace in the play off final.

<insert joke of your choice about him fitting in well at Villa Park here>

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 07, 2015, 06:47:20 PM

I didn't see the game but I'm sure I read he was the only boro player to play well

Never seen the guy play tho so can't give an opinion

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on June 07, 2015, 06:52:13 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 07, 2015, 06:37:47 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on June 07, 2015, 05:27:06 PM

Boro forums reckon we've agreed a fee for George Friend?

He looked pretty woeful against pace in the play off final.

I've not seen enough of him to give an option. Worries me that he couldn't get into the Wolves side though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 07, 2015, 06:57:36 PM

Is joe Bennett still our player or did he move permanent to BHA? If not sherwood may wish to give him another go .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on June 07, 2015, 07:15:46 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 07, 2015, 06:57:36 PM

Is joe Bennett still our player or did he move permanent to BHA? If not sherwood may wish to give him another go .

Bennett is still ours.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SashasGrandad on June 07, 2015, 07:28:32 PM

Quote from: KRS on June 07, 2015, 04:26:16 PM

I swear footyskillz must be on a wind up or is as thick as pig shit. Paul McShane?! PAUL MCFUCKINSHANE???!!! Fuck my life!!!

Hi Di Hi ??

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Risso on June 07, 2015, 07:31:59 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 07, 2015, 06:57:36 PM

Is joe Bennett still our player or did he move permanent to BHA? If not sherwood may wish to give him another go .

Please god no.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: walsall villain on June 07, 2015, 07:35:16 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on June 07, 2015, 06:52:13 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 07, 2015, 06:37:47 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on June 07, 2015, 05:27:06 PM

Boro forums reckon we've agreed a fee for George Friend?

He looked pretty woeful against pace in the play off final.

I've not seen enough of him to give an option. Worries me that he couldn't get into the Wolves side though.

Wasn't that quite a while back at Wolves? He was boro's player of the season two years running which I thought was positive news until I remembered Stephen Ireland!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard on June 07, 2015, 07:36:51 PM

Is he any better than the last defender we got from Boro !?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 07, 2015, 09:23:04 PM

Quote from: Risso on June 07, 2015, 07:31:59 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 07, 2015, 06:57:36 PM

Is joe Bennett still our player or did he move permanent to BHA? If not sherwood may wish to give him another go .

Please god no.

I don't think it is that bonkers.  Bennet's biggest problems seemed to stem from a lack of confidence and Sherwood seems seems to instil that into most players.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 07, 2015, 09:25:02 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 07, 2015, 09:23:04 PM

Quote from: Risso on June 07, 2015, 07:31:59 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 07, 2015, 06:57:36 PM

Is joe Bennett still our player or did he move permanent to BHA? If not sherwood may wish to give him another go .

Please god no.

I don't think it is that bonkers.  Bennet's biggest problems seemed to stem from a lack of confidence and Sherwood seems seems to instil that into most players.

I know it's a bit of a one off but cast your mind back to April 2014 , villa 1-0 chavski , Bennett you could argue was MOTM

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 07, 2015, 11:14:33 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 07, 2015, 09:23:04 PM

Quote from: Risso on June 07, 2015, 07:31:59 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 07, 2015, 06:57:36 PM

Is joe Bennett still our player or did he move permanent to BHA? If not sherwood may wish to give him another go .

Please god no.

I don't think it is that bonkers.  Bennet's biggest problems seemed to stem from a lack of confidence and Sherwood seems seems to instil that into most players.

Disagree.  From what I have seen so far, a lack of defensive ability is his biggest problem. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 07, 2015, 11:19:52 PM

I saw Bennett play on TV a month or so ago. I swear he was being played as a left winger with a left back behind him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 07, 2015, 11:40:18 PM

I said before that I thought Bennett had potential to be a decent player, even if it was as wide midfielder. Then again I kept saying how much I liked Chris Herd so what the smeg do I know.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 07, 2015, 11:57:06 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on June 07, 2015, 11:14:33 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 07, 2015, 09:23:04 PM

Quote from: Risso on June 07, 2015, 07:31:59 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 07, 2015, 06:57:36 PM

Is joe Bennett still our player or did he move permanent to BHA? If not sherwood may wish to give him another go .

Please god no.

I don't think it is that bonkers.  Bennet's biggest problems seemed to stem from a lack of confidence and Sherwood seems seems to instil that into most players.

Disagree.  From what I have seen so far, a lack of defensive ability is his biggest problem. 

Bennett or Sherwood?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard E on June 08, 2015, 09:54:48 AM

According to Nursey, Albion want Ciaran Clark.

Stop laughing at the back there.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 08, 2015, 09:56:47 AM

Quote from: Richard E on June 08, 2015, 09:54:48 AM

According to Nursey, Albion want Ciaran Clark.

Stop laughing at the back there.

Yep, he's only got 1 year left on his contract.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 08, 2015, 10:01:05 AM

Danny murphy says benteke will go man Utd. Just been doing Alan brazil show and after announcement of ings to Liverpool further confirming benteke only going to champions league team. Murphy said man Utd or arsenal but was only allowed to pick one club and suggested benteke would go to man Utd as RVP expected to leave. Now that would be a great signing for the player and club but I really wouldn't like him at Utd or in prem league if beast is moving on.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 08, 2015, 10:21:47 AM

Can't see Clark going to Albion.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 08, 2015, 10:33:08 AM

Clark would be mad to go to the Albion, that is unless they want to pay him silly money because they are going to win the league you know

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: manic-road on June 08, 2015, 10:44:03 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 08, 2015, 10:01:05 AM

Danny murphy says benteke will go man Utd. Just been doing Alan brazil show and after announcement of ings to Liverpool further confirming benteke only going to champions league team. Murphy said man Utd or arsenal but was only allowed to pick one club and suggested benteke would go to man Utd as RVP expected to leave. Now that would be a great signing for the player and club but I really wouldn't like him at Utd or in prem league if beast is moving on.

If he does leave I hope we go for Charlie Austin to replace him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Boz on June 08, 2015, 11:09:11 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 08, 2015, 10:01:05 AM

Danny murphy says benteke will go man Utd. Just been doing Alan brazil show and after announcement of ings to Liverpool further confirming benteke only going to champions league team. Murphy said man Utd or arsenal but was only allowed to pick one club and suggested benteke would go to man Utd as RVP expected to leave. Now that would be a great signing for the player and club but I really wouldn't like him at Utd or in prem league if beast is moving on.

Hazard would like Benteke at Chelsea if he can bend Mourinho's ear.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 08, 2015, 11:20:12 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 08, 2015, 10:21:47 AM

Can't see Clark going to Albion.

What is it with Albion and Small Heath's obsession with our young players? Anytime one of them are unsettled they're there like vultures waiting to snap them up.
Get your own bloody youth system!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on June 08, 2015, 11:21:21 AM

I think Benteke would be up for a Chelsea move as well. Yeah, he'd be competing with Costa and all that, but I bet he would back himself to win that contest, and he'd get oodles of money (especially if he's worried about getting injured again), football for a genuine CL contender (they're not Real, Barcelona or Bayern, but not far off) and I'm sure Mourinho would make an effort to play him and Costa together as well (given how well-rounded each are, and how Costa used to basically do Falcao's dirty work at Atletico.)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on June 08, 2015, 12:09:08 PM

darren bent has been released

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt C on June 08, 2015, 12:09:28 PM

Bent & Stevens released, undecided on Herd and Vlaar offered new contact: http://bit.ly/1IpiUWt

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LTA on June 08, 2015, 12:10:09 PM

Quote from: Richard E on June 08, 2015, 09:54:48 AM

According to Nursey, Albion want Ciaran Clark.

Stop laughing at the back there.

It's Nursey.  What do you expect?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 08, 2015, 12:14:15 PM

Herd's fucking cack, if he is offered a contract it's a sign we won't be spending jack again.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LTA on June 08, 2015, 12:17:43 PM

It says a lot about how Clark has developed this season.  If that story had broke 12 months ago there'd by a queue  right down Trinity Road if people wanting to drive him to West Bromwich.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on June 08, 2015, 12:20:45 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on June 08, 2015, 12:14:15 PM

Herd's fucking cack, if he is offered a contract it's a sign we won't be spending jack again.

This! He'd definitely get into my worst Villa Eleven.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 08, 2015, 12:25:12 PM

Quote from: Richard E on June 08, 2015, 09:54:48 AM

According to Nursey, Albion want Ciaran Clark.

Stop laughing at the back there.

Silly season has truly started.

Benteke to Spurs for the lowest rumoured offer so far.
Clark to the 1980's for a couple of million no doubt.
When will we get the first £7m offer to ''test Villa's resolve'' for Delph reported?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on June 08, 2015, 12:53:32 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on June 08, 2015, 12:14:15 PM

Herd's fucking cack, if he is offered a contract it's a sign we won't be spending jack again.

Herd is an ideal squad player to have as the 7th man on the bench or to have on hand if someone is injured in the warm up.

His versatility should lead to a long career, albeit probably without actually playing many games

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on June 08, 2015, 12:55:16 PM

Quote from: Matt C on June 08, 2015, 12:09:28 PM

Bent & Stevens released, undecided on Herd and Vlaar offered new contact: http://bit.ly/1IpiUWt

I can't believe that Enda Stevens had more Villa first team appearances than the legendary Najwan Ghrayib

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on June 08, 2015, 01:22:30 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on June 08, 2015, 12:55:16 PM

Quote from: Matt C on June 08, 2015, 12:09:28 PM

Bent & Stevens released, undecided on Herd and Vlaar offered new contact: http://bit.ly/1IpiUWt

I can't believe that Enda Stevens had more Villa first team appearances than the legendary Najwan Ghrayib

I saw Najwan in a Villa shirt!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 08, 2015, 01:23:46 PM

Given the amount of players we need to bring in, offering Vlaar a deal isn't the wost idea. As useless as he is at times, he does have his moments of clarity.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on June 08, 2015, 01:29:21 PM

I'd offer Vlaar a pay-per-play contract
He'd probably owe us at the end.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on June 08, 2015, 01:40:15 PM

With regards to Herd, the thing that surprises me with this, is that supposedly we have told other players they are to find new clubs and if not they will be in the all new Bomb Squad

But Herd has not played a game for us all season is told if he trains well and proves fitness etc... he may be offered a new deal?

I remember reading that Sherwood has said that we have to get players out before we bring new players in (we cant keep adding to the payroll)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: walsall villain on June 08, 2015, 01:41:59 PM

Quote from: sid1964 on June 08, 2015, 01:40:15 PM

With regards to Herd, the thing that surprises me with this, is that supposedly we have told other players they are to find new clubs and if not they will be in the all new Bomb Squad

But Herd has not played a game for us all season is told if he trains well and proves fitness etc... he may be offered a new deal?

I remember reading that Sherwood has said that we have to get players out before we bring new players in (we cant keep adding to the payroll)

Players don't normally get dumped when unfit or 'off work'. Isn't that generally the case with employment? They will get him fit then release him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 08, 2015, 03:18:15 PM

I see Bennett, Herdy and Gards as he's known given opportunities so that's 3 players there. All will be useful. The cost and extra cost on these are minimal compared to bringing in expensive transfers. The lower range free range market , something Liverpool taking advantage of and some established premier league players is where Sherwood must look. I. Can see a couple of loan signings come in from the top 5 or 6 clubs  and soome moneys spent. Depending on ttransfer funds raised and relase of money. A playing squad of 28 or so will be okay.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SashasGrandad on June 08, 2015, 03:27:55 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on June 08, 2015, 10:33:08 AM

Clark would be mad to go to the Albion, that is unless they want to pay him silly money because they are going to win the league you know

They want him to play left back

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on June 08, 2015, 03:46:03 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 08, 2015, 03:18:15 PM

I see Bennett, Herdy and Gards as he's known given opportunities so that's 3 players there. All will be useful. The cost and extra cost on these are minimal compared to bringing in expensive transfers. The lower range free range market , something Liverpool taking advantage of and some established premier league players is where Sherwood must look. I. Can see a couple of loan signings come in from the top 5 or 6 clubs  and soome moneys spent. Depending on ttransfer funds raised and relase of money. A playing squad of 28 or so will be okay.

They've assigned a dedicated assessor to Herd and Gardner. He's the Herdy-Gardy man.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: richl on June 08, 2015, 03:50:24 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 08, 2015, 03:18:15 PM

I see Bennett, Herdy and Gards as he's known given opportunities so that's 3 players there. All will be useful. The cost and extra cost on these are minimal compared to bringing in expensive transfers. The lower range free range market , something Liverpool taking advantage of and some established premier league players is where Sherwood must look. I. Can see a couple of loan signings come in from the top 5 or 6 clubs  and soome moneys spent. Depending on ttransfer funds raised and relase of money. A playing squad of 28 or so will be okay.

Make it stop please

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 08, 2015, 03:54:14 PM

I'm hoping sherwood just thinks he's never seen herd and will thus take a look

I imagine he'll then be swiftly on his bike. It's absolutely incredible he's still at a premier league club. He's 25 and has had one good game

If we are keeping him then I'm officially depressed

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 08, 2015, 04:02:17 PM

let's all leave off the negative vibes re footyskillz ; at the mo he's brightening the drab spaces and heaven knows, I for one, would be miserable now without his enthusiastic epistles.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 08, 2015, 04:11:40 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on June 08, 2015, 12:53:32 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on June 08, 2015, 12:14:15 PM

Herd's fucking cack, if he is offered a contract it's a sign we won't be spending jack again.

Herd is an ideal squad player to have as the 7th man on the bench or to have on hand if someone is injured in the warm up.

His versatility should lead to a long career, albeit probably without actually playing many games

So we should keep Herd because he's capable of being shit in numerous positions? So am I, sign me up. He's a first division footballer somehow in a Premier league squad. He didn't even look Ok in the Championship.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: David_Nab on June 08, 2015, 04:53:22 PM

Herd has been out with a bad knee injury hasn't he  , so would ne harsh to kick him out still injured..that said I would be very suprised if we kept him his passing is abysmal and we already have Bacuna as a utility player

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 08, 2015, 04:55:50 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on June 08, 2015, 03:54:14 PM

I'm hoping sherwood just thinks he's never seen herd and will thus take a look

I imagine he'll then be swiftly on his bike. It's absolutely incredible he's still at a premier league club. He's 25 and has had one good game

If we are keeping him then I'm officially depressed

So the deal with herdy is that avfc checked him out in oz and what happened was they had a look at Chris and also listens to him and checked his surroundings and environment. The signing was more  a case of scene and not herd.
I hope I can cheer you up.😊

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: nigel on June 08, 2015, 07:00:42 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 08, 2015, 11:20:12 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 08, 2015, 10:21:47 AM

Can't see Clark going to Albion.

What is it with Albion and Small Heath's obsession with our young players? Anytime one of them are unsettled they're there like vultures waiting to snap them up.
Get your own bloody youth system!

Didn't realise Clark was unsettled?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 08, 2015, 07:28:00 PM

Quote from: nigel on June 08, 2015, 07:00:42 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 08, 2015, 11:20:12 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 08, 2015, 10:21:47 AM

Can't see Clark going to Albion.

What is it with Albion and Small Heath's obsession with our young players? Anytime one of them are unsettled they're there like vultures waiting to snap them up.
Get your own bloody youth system!

Didn't realise Clark was unsettled?

He should be, the way my wife looks at him when he is on screen.

Its disturbing, particularly when combined with the "Oooooh the handsome lad is playing again" comments.

To be fair to her my rather less subtle drooling over the Norwegian Womens World Cup team is far worse.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Duncan Shaw on June 08, 2015, 08:29:38 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on June 08, 2015, 07:28:00 PM

Quote from: nigel on June 08, 2015, 07:00:42 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 08, 2015, 11:20:12 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 08, 2015, 10:21:47 AM

Can't see Clark going to Albion.

What is it with Albion and Small Heath's obsession with our young players? Anytime one of them are unsettled they're there like vultures waiting to snap them up.
Get your own bloody youth system!

Didn't realise Clark was unsettled?

He should be, the way my wife looks at him when he is on screen.

Its disturbing, particularly when combined with the "Oooooh the handsome lad is playing again" comments.

To be fair to her my rather less subtle drooling over the Norwegian Womens World Cup team is far worse.

Blimey, just had a look, see what you mean - I'll be watching their next game!!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on June 08, 2015, 08:41:04 PM

I don't remember Herd being shit. I don't remember what he was like at all, in actual fact. There was a red card and maybe I saw him play against Fulham too. Is there a highlight (or lowlight) reel?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 08, 2015, 08:49:16 PM

Quote from: Duncan Shaw on June 08, 2015, 08:29:38 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on June 08, 2015, 07:28:00 PM

Quote from: nigel on June 08, 2015, 07:00:42 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 08, 2015, 11:20:12 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 08, 2015, 10:21:47 AM

Can't see Clark going to Albion.

What is it with Albion and Small Heath's obsession with our young players? Anytime one of them are unsettled they're there like vultures waiting to snap them up.
Get your own bloody youth system!

Didn't realise Clark was unsettled?

He should be, the way my wife looks at him when he is on screen.

Its disturbing, particularly when combined with the "Oooooh the handsome lad is playing again" comments.

To be fair to her my rather less subtle drooling over the Norwegian Womens World Cup team is far worse.

Blimey, just had a look, see what you mean - I'll be watching their next game!!

Indeed. The have bench strength as well. Happily they also play good football. Win/Win. :)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on June 08, 2015, 08:51:11 PM

Quote from: Duncan Shaw on June 08, 2015, 08:29:38 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on June 08, 2015, 07:28:00 PM

To be fair to her my rather less subtle drooling over the Norwegian Womens World Cup team is far worse.

Blimey, just had a look, see what you mean - I'll be watching their next game!!

Purely in the interest of football Sweden Nigeria kicking off in ten minutes ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 08, 2015, 09:21:36 PM

This thread may aswell be locked down for 4-6 weeks.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 08, 2015, 09:34:18 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 08, 2015, 09:21:36 PM

This thread may aswell be locked down for 4-6 weeks.

Why?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 08, 2015, 09:47:02 PM

I read somewhere we were getting a big name this summer


Pogba


The juve players older brother

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on June 08, 2015, 09:56:23 PM

Eddie Large ..........................thats a big name isn`t it ?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on June 08, 2015, 10:02:28 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on June 08, 2015, 08:49:16 PM

Quote from: Duncan Shaw on June 08, 2015, 08:29:38 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on June 08, 2015, 07:28:00 PM

Quote from: nigel on June 08, 2015, 07:00:42 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 08, 2015, 11:20:12 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 08, 2015, 10:21:47 AM

Can't see Clark going to Albion.

What is it with Albion and Small Heath's obsession with our young players? Anytime one of them are unsettled they're there like vultures waiting to snap them up.
Get your own bloody youth system!

Didn't realise Clark was unsettled?

He should be, the way my wife looks at him when he is on screen.

Its disturbing, particularly when combined with the "Oooooh the handsome lad is playing again" comments.

To be fair to her my rather less subtle drooling over the Norwegian Womens World Cup team is far worse.

Blimey, just had a look, see what you mean - I'll be watching their next game!!

Indeed. The have bench strength as well. Happily they also play good football. Win/Win. :)

What exactly do you mean by "bench strength" ciggies?

A euphemism perhaps?

*naughty chuckle*

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on June 08, 2015, 10:10:30 PM

Quote from: olaftab on June 08, 2015, 08:51:11 PM

Quote from: Duncan Shaw on June 08, 2015, 08:29:38 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on June 08, 2015, 07:28:00 PM

To be fair to her my rather less subtle drooling over the Norwegian Womens World Cup team is far worse.

Blimey, just had a look, see what you mean - I'll be watching their next game!!

Purely in the interest of football Sweden Nigeria kicking off in ten minutes ;)

And what a game too. Nigeria equalise from 2 down.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 08, 2015, 10:27:35 PM

Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on June 08, 2015, 10:02:28 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on June 08, 2015, 08:49:16 PM

Quote from: Duncan Shaw on June 08, 2015, 08:29:38 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on June 08, 2015, 07:28:00 PM

Quote from: nigel on June 08, 2015, 07:00:42 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 08, 2015, 11:20:12 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 08, 2015, 10:21:47 AM

Can't see Clark going to Albion.

What is it with Albion and Small Heath's obsession with our young players? Anytime one of them are unsettled they're there like vultures waiting to snap them up.
Get your own bloody youth system!

Didn't realise Clark was unsettled?

He should be, the way my wife looks at him when he is on screen.

Its disturbing, particularly when combined with the "Oooooh the handsome lad is playing again" comments.

To be fair to her my rather less subtle drooling over the Norwegian Womens World Cup team is far worse.

Blimey, just had a look, see what you mean - I'll be watching their next game!!

Indeed. The have bench strength as well. Happily they also play good football. Win/Win. :)

What exactly do you mean by "bench strength" ciggies?

A euphemism perhaps?

*naughty chuckle*

Exactly what you thought I meant :)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 08, 2015, 11:15:06 PM

I think ings is a good signing for Liverpool as is Milner and that's clearly the level they at. Vlaar talks about up a level and is ambitious. I think players coming to villa will be good level and also ambitious but maybe in different way to ings, Milner , vlaar and cleverly. But It will be interested were Sherwood picks players from to sign and what fees being paid. Will they be all British, England academy schooled prem league or will he take a chance on Copa America, eng under 21 euro players as well as players touted by euro and world agents. I'm gonna have a think who can be sought after and into club come back with findings after my scouting and research all good knowledgeable folk can do same see who we come up with to sign fir villa cheers

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: richl on June 08, 2015, 11:25:18 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 08, 2015, 11:15:06 PM

I think ings is a good signing for Liverpool as is Milner and that's clearly the level they at. Vlaar talks about up a level and is ambitious. I think players coming to villa will be good level and also ambitious but maybe in different way to ings, Milner , vlaar and cleverly. But It will be interested were Sherwood picks players from to sign and what fees being paid. Will they be all British, England academy schooled prem league or will he take a chance on Copa America, eng under 21 euro players as well as players touted by euro and world agents. I'm gonna have a think who can be sought after and into club come back with findings after my scouting and research all good knowledgeable folk can do same see who we come up with to sign fir villa cheers

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO please dont

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: papa lazarou on June 08, 2015, 11:27:09 PM

Anybody remember Stanley Unwin?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villan For Life on June 08, 2015, 11:32:34 PM

Did I miss Vlaar leaving?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 08, 2015, 11:37:10 PM

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11660653/.html

This would have big saying on transfer dealings excellent

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: manic-road on June 09, 2015, 12:15:48 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 08, 2015, 11:37:10 PM

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11660653/.html

This would have big saying on transfer dealings excellent

I hope that whatever happens if the takeover goes ahead or not that funds are imminently going to be released to buy players of a high standard to improve the starting eleven.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on June 09, 2015, 02:27:21 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 08, 2015, 11:15:06 PM

I think ings is a good signing for Liverpool as is Milner and that's clearly the level they at. Vlaar talks about up a level and is ambitious. I think players coming to villa will be good level and also ambitious but maybe in different way to ings, Milner , vlaar and cleverly. But It will be interested were Sherwood picks players from to sign and what fees being paid. Will they be all British, England academy schooled prem league or will he take a chance on Copa America, eng under 21 euro players as well as players touted by euro and world agents. I'm gonna have a think who can be sought after and into club come back with findings after my scouting and research all good knowledgeable folk can do same see who we come up with to sign fir villa cheers

Most excellent. I eagerly await the findings from your epic scouting research adventure. Make haste footyskillz...leave no stone unturned in your quest!

edit: I sincerely hope your research isn't being done on FIFA15?  :o :-\

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Hillbilly on June 09, 2015, 03:32:53 AM

Quote from: papa lazarou on June 08, 2015, 11:27:09 PM

Anybody remember Stanley Unwin?

Deep folly! Oh yes.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Virgil Caine on June 09, 2015, 07:01:18 AM

Quote from: Hillbilly on June 09, 2015, 03:32:53 AM

Quote from: papa lazarou on June 08, 2015, 11:27:09 PM

Anybody remember Stanley Unwin?

Deep folly! Oh yes.

This is a very good question and topicold. I would say that if the forward line have a symmetrical teamworkers and that they can from the first passit of the ball... take in mind the measured beat of a one, two, throo or fido... so that the ball can falollop out to the wingers and a very fine trittly how in a run and drop-kick and carry one and shooting in the goal if they can get by without an offsiger which is known on the ref and don't throw the bottload because he's only doing his best.

But, er, it'll be hard on their halfbackers because I don't think they'll get a chance to do a falolloper shooty on account of the front line with their deep joy of, shall we say, an express in their enthusiasm to the first who to clop falollop in the goalmouth. Oh yes. Anyway it's a very good question, sir. It's not much about music excepting that half-time in the band falolloped huffalo-dowd.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on June 09, 2015, 07:54:51 AM

Quote from: My left Foot on June 09, 2015, 07:01:18 AM

Quote from: Hillbilly on June 09, 2015, 03:32:53 AM

Quote from: papa lazarou on June 08, 2015, 11:27:09 PM

Anybody remember Stanley Unwin?

Deep folly! Oh yes.

This is a very good question and topicold. I would say that if the forward line have a symmetrical teamworkers and that they can from the first passit of the ball... take in mind the measured beat of a one, two, throo or fido... so that the ball can falollop out to the wingers and a very fine trittly how in a run and drop-kick and carry one and shooting in the goal if they can get by without an offsiger which is known on the ref and don't throw the bottload because he's only doing his best.

But, er, it'll be hard on their halfbackers because I don't think they'll get a chance to do a falolloper shooty on account of the front line with their deep joy of, shall we say, an express in their enthusiasm to the first who to clop falollop in the goalmouth. Oh yes. Anyway it's a very good question, sir. It's not much about music excepting that half-time in the band falolloped huffalo-dowd.

You've been mixing in the wrong company recently methinks, MLF.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on June 09, 2015, 08:09:36 AM

Quote from: Chris Jameson on June 08, 2015, 01:22:30 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on June 08, 2015, 12:55:16 PM

Quote from: Matt C on June 08, 2015, 12:09:28 PM

Bent & Stevens released, undecided on Herd and Vlaar offered new contact: http://bit.ly/1IpiUWt

I can't believe that Enda Stevens had more Villa first team appearances than the legendary Najwan Ghrayib

I saw Najwan in a Villa shirt!

I also saw Najwan in a Villa Shirt. Remember him coming on a sub in the 1999-2000 season in an end of season game.  Derby or Man Utd at home rings a bell.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on June 09, 2015, 08:13:25 AM

Footyskillz is a nose.  Clearly!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdward on June 09, 2015, 08:28:41 AM

Don't know about you, but i am waiting with trepidation at this latest development. It is all very exciting, and not sure what to expect. This will definitely take us to a new level.
No, not the new owners, i am talking about the publication of Footyskillz list of transfer targets.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 09, 2015, 08:54:10 AM

to be honest it brightens my day; the trick is  to enter into the spirit of it, which is a more purple shade of haze

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Damo70 on June 09, 2015, 10:38:13 AM

Quote from: papa lazarou on June 08, 2015, 11:27:09 PM

Anybody remember Stanley Unwin?

Show some respect. It's Professor Stanley Unwin. The inventor of Unwinese. Wordy gobbledy. ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on June 09, 2015, 10:47:40 AM

He fought with the lions in Lesotho, swerved snakes in Sumatra.

All to bring us back some tasty morsels of transfer tat.

Godspeed, footyskills.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on June 09, 2015, 11:08:02 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 09, 2015, 08:54:10 AM

to be honest it brightens my day; the trick is  to enter into the spirit of it, which is a more purple shade of haze

Good point.  I'm just surprised he hasn't linked us with Kenywne Jones and Joey Barton yet. oh Karl Henry's on a free transfer too.  He's slow off the mark really.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: manic-road on June 09, 2015, 11:14:46 AM

I wouldn't mind Podolski in a Villa shirt next season. He's not wanted by Arsenal and he would be a massive improvement on Andi or Gabby. Probably couldn't afford his wage demands though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 09, 2015, 11:36:55 AM

Podolski would be good. Can't see it somehow though

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 09, 2015, 01:11:19 PM

him and bat shit balo upfront would be fooyskillz' wet dream

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 09, 2015, 01:18:03 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 09, 2015, 01:11:19 PM

him and bat shit balo upfront would be fooyskillz' wet dream

I think you mean Altidore and Kevin Nolan.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 09, 2015, 01:42:27 PM

Quote

Former Tottenham Hotspur and Swindon midfielder Massimo Luongo has explained why he has joined QPR and not a team like Aston Villa .

Tim Sherwood has been to watch the young midfielder in action this season and he was on the transfer target list of the new Villa boss, along with his teammate Ben Gladwin.

Luongo explained his decision to join Rangers, stating: "Joining QPR is probably my best chance to play regularly, assuming that I impress and give them a reason to pick me,” the midfielder said.

“With the players and resources they have at West Brom and Villa, they could probably afford to buy a bigger squad and maybe opportunities may have been limited.”

Sherwood agrees with the decision of the player he knows through working with him at Spurs, he said: "It’s not the right time for us to do the deal, I think it is a good move for him and it will give them the opportunity to play regularly."

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 09, 2015, 02:09:57 PM

In other words he doesn't have the confidence in his ability to think he can nail down a spot.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 09, 2015, 02:17:03 PM

Are QPR still throwing big money about, good chance they offered much higher wage than we would

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 09, 2015, 02:22:52 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 09, 2015, 02:17:03 PM

Are QPR still throwing big money about, good chance they offered much higher wage than we would

Isn't it about time those fuckers paid their £45m pound fine instead of going to court because they knowingly broke the rules but don't give a shit. Rio needed his £80k a week. Clown club.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 09, 2015, 02:43:33 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on June 09, 2015, 02:09:57 PM

In other words he doesn't have the confidence in his ability to think he can nail down a spot.

Or maybe like Okore he's thinking of his long term career and wants to be playing as much as possible?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 09, 2015, 03:25:49 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 09, 2015, 02:43:33 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on June 09, 2015, 02:09:57 PM

In other words he doesn't have the confidence in his ability to think he can nail down a spot.

Or maybe like Okore he's thinking of his long term career and wants to be playing as much as possible?

Okore would have to oust Terry or Cahill. We have Westwood who came from the same division and A N other. Hardly the same.  I appreciate it's a big step up though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dekko on June 09, 2015, 03:29:37 PM

To be fair to Luongo he went to Swindon when Spurs wanted to keep him on, so if its going to teams where he'll play every week hes been pretty consistent.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 09, 2015, 03:31:22 PM

Quote from: dekko on June 09, 2015, 03:29:37 PM

To be fair to Luongo he went to Swindon when Spurs wanted to keep him on, so if its going to teams where he'll play every week hes been pretty consistent.

Fair point, he was clever enough to not want to stay in Tottenhams graveyard of midfielders.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on June 09, 2015, 04:17:09 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 09, 2015, 01:42:27 PM

Quote

...Sherwood agrees with the decision of the player he knows through working with him at Spurs, he said: "It’s not the right time for us to do the deal, I think it is a good move for him and it will give them the opportunity to play regularly."

You could interpret this as: "I don't have the owner's commitment to spend the dosh required, at this time"

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 09, 2015, 05:09:02 PM

Quote from: dekko on June 09, 2015, 03:29:37 PM

To be fair to Luongo he went to Swindon when Spurs wanted to keep him on, so if its going to teams where he'll play every week hes been pretty consistent.

That's far too sensible a post. We're all supposed to be giving him abuse for being an idiot.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Flamingo Lane on June 09, 2015, 08:04:51 PM

Quote from: My left Foot on June 09, 2015, 07:01:18 AM

Quote from: Hillbilly on June 09, 2015, 03:32:53 AM

Quote from: papa lazarou on June 08, 2015, 11:27:09 PM

Anybody remember Stanley Unwin?

Deep folly! Oh yes.

This is a very good question and topicold. I would say that if the forward line have a symmetrical teamworkers and that they can from the first passit of the ball... take in mind the measured beat of a one, two, throo or fido... so that the ball can falollop out to the wingers and a very fine trittly how in a run and drop-kick and carry one and shooting in the goal if they can get by without an offsiger which is known on the ref and don't throw the bottload because he's only doing his best.

But, er, it'll be hard on their halfbackers because I don't think they'll get a chance to do a falolloper shooty on account of the front line with their deep joy of, shall we say, an express in their enthusiasm to the first who to clop falollop in the goalmouth. Oh yes. Anyway it's a very good question, sir. It's not much about music excepting that half-time in the band falolloped huffalo-dowd.

Just got home from work, and this has fair made my day!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: go on the dog on June 09, 2015, 08:34:17 PM

Ive heard that were trying to sign Jeff Hendrick from Derby in a swap deal for either Lowton or Weimann

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on June 09, 2015, 10:20:06 PM

From BBC:
Aston Villa striker Darren Bent, 31, has sent a farewell message to the club's fans on Instagram  after joining Derby County permanently. "Thank you to the fans who have stuck by me through hard times. It has been a pleasure to play for you," it reads.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on June 09, 2015, 10:25:07 PM

Quote from: olaftab on June 09, 2015, 10:20:06 PM

From BBC:
Aston Villa striker Darren Bent, 31, has sent a farewell message to the club's fans on Instagram  after joining Derby County permanently. "Thank you to the fans who have stuck by me through hard times. It has been a pleasure to play for you," it reads.

If only it had been Bent instead of Heskey.  The slide started with the purchase of Heskey and managers thinking teamwork/effort made up for lack of goals.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 09, 2015, 10:33:30 PM

Huge amounts of money at his disposal and we had players like Harewood, Heskey, Shorey, Reo Coker, Sidwell. The mind boggles.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passport1 on June 09, 2015, 10:43:22 PM

I think in the main they were squad players. Given the massive underinvestment under Ellis it was a case of trying to build a squad  from a very low base.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: The Left Side on June 09, 2015, 11:04:02 PM

More tweets regarding Jeff Hendrick from Derby, is he any good?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on June 09, 2015, 11:16:54 PM

Quote from: old man villa fan on June 09, 2015, 10:25:07 PM

Quote from: olaftab on June 09, 2015, 10:20:06 PM

From BBC:
Aston Villa striker Darren Bent, 31, has sent a farewell message to the club's fans on Instagram  after joining Derby County permanently. "Thank you to the fans who have stuck by me through hard times. It has been a pleasure to play for you," it reads.

If only it had been Bent instead of Heskey.  The slide started with the purchase of Heskey and managers thinking teamwork/effort made up for lack of goals.

Don't think Bent would have improved matters too much as it would have forced the same tactical change that Heskey brought about i.e. dropping a midfielder and exposing Barry and Petrov's lack of mobility. That was the time for a classy number ten to come in as a different option.

Re the signings mentioned by the OP, Reo Coker and Sidwell were widely welcomed. Reo Coker I'd argue did a good job for us and Houllier was keen to keep him on, he has very badly advised. Sidwell was awful and like many of that Reading side he never amounted to much elsewhere.

Shorey, Harewood, Heskey were woeful lazy signings that no-one wanted. Beye, Cuellar, Warnock - three completely unnecessary signings too especially for the wages/ transfer fees they commanded.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 09, 2015, 11:22:01 PM

Quote from: The Left Side on June 09, 2015, 11:04:02 PM

More tweets regarding Jeff Hendrick from Derby, is he any good?

Scored a few from midfield for Derby and quite highly rated. Looks half decent and we need midfield players that can add depth but need some quality too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on June 10, 2015, 01:32:56 AM

Its always hard to judge if a young player can make the step up to Premier League, but looks like he's got potential and seems popular with fans...he's only 23 years old and looks a bit Lampard-esque (in how he shoots) from watching a few clips.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Neil Hawkes on June 10, 2015, 06:20:12 AM

Quote from: olaftab on June 09, 2015, 10:20:06 PM

From BBC:
Aston Villa striker Darren Bent, 31, has sent a farewell message to the club's fans on Instagram  after joining Derby County permanently. "Thank you to the fans who have stuck by me through hard times. It has been a pleasure to play for you," it reads.

I have a lot of respect for this gentleman, not often you see this kind of attitude in the corrupt and greedy world of professional football. I wish him every success at Derby.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 10, 2015, 06:42:57 AM

Quote from: passport1 on June 09, 2015, 10:43:22 PM

I think in the main they were squad players. Given the massive underinvestment under Ellis it was a case of trying to build a squad  from a very low base.

There's no excuse in my view. They pretty much all started in the first team, before playing irregularly, before not playing at all. You can add cuellar, Davies and Luke Young to that list too. Shocking.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on June 10, 2015, 07:13:28 AM

One of the more reliable transfer rumour accounts on Twitter says McCarthy has asked to leave Everton. If true, would hope we at least try and get him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 10, 2015, 07:22:42 AM

Quote from: IAmTheOneIanOlney on June 10, 2015, 07:13:28 AM

One of the more reliable transfer rumour accounts on Twitter says McCarthy has asked to leave Everton. If true, would hope we at least try and get him.

No chance. He'll fancy a move to a top six or seven team with Spurs rumoured to be interested

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holtemeister on June 10, 2015, 07:49:06 AM

Quote from: passport1 on June 09, 2015, 10:43:22 PM

j
I think in the main they were squad players. Given the massive underinvestment under Ellis it was a case of trying to build a squad  from a very low base.

Blimey that's a claim and a half right there fella...

Compared to the comparative under investment by Randy, apart from maybe the first part of his reign ... Doug was like Abramovich

Remember Dougs net worth was not likley to be anything near Randy's was / is and the income from TV rights just crumbs compared to what it is now.

In comparison...we didn't do to badly out of Doug...the more accurate criticism is that we missed opportunities by not investing that little bit more at important points in his tenure as chairman.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on June 10, 2015, 08:13:07 AM

Quote from: brontebilly on June 09, 2015, 11:16:54 PM

Quote from: old man villa fan on June 09, 2015, 10:25:07 PM

Quote from: olaftab on June 09, 2015, 10:20:06 PM

From BBC:
Aston Villa striker Darren Bent, 31, has sent a farewell message to the club's fans on Instagram  after joining Derby County permanently. "Thank you to the fans who have stuck by me through hard times. It has been a pleasure to play for you," it reads.

If only it had been Bent instead of Heskey.  The slide started with the purchase of Heskey and managers thinking teamwork/effort made up for lack of goals.

Don't think Bent would have improved matters too much as it would have forced the same tactical change that Heskey brought about i.e. dropping a midfielder and exposing Barry and Petrov's lack of mobility. That was the time for a classy number ten to come in as a different option.

Re the signings mentioned by the OP, Reo Coker and Sidwell were widely welcomed. Reo Coker I'd argue did a good job for us and Houllier was keen to keep him on, he has very badly advised. Sidwell was awful and like many of that Reading side he never amounted to much elsewhere.

Shorey, Harewood, Heskey were woeful lazy signings that no-one wanted. Beye, Cuellar, Warnock - three completely unnecessary signings too especially for the wages/ transfer fees they commanded.

Heskey was brought in for the fading Carew.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 10, 2015, 08:46:46 AM

Heskey wasn't fit to lace Carew's boots

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: AV82EC on June 10, 2015, 08:58:07 AM

Quote from: Holtemeister on June 10, 2015, 07:49:06 AM

Quote from: passport1 on June 09, 2015, 10:43:22 PM

j
I think in the main they were squad players. Given the massive underinvestment under Ellis it was a case of trying to build a squad  from a very low base.

Blimey that's a claim and a half right there fella...

Compared to the comparative under investment by Randy, apart from maybe the first part of his reign ... Doug was like Abramovich

Remember Dougs net worth was not likley to be anything near Randy's was / is and the income from TV rights just crumbs compared to what it is now.

In comparison...we didn't do to badly out of Doug...the more accurate criticism is that we missed opportunities by not investing that little bit more at important points in his tenure as chairman.

Comparing Doug Ellis to Abramovich in terms of largesse!! Have I landed in a parallel universe?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on June 10, 2015, 09:35:52 AM

Quote from: old man villa fan on June 10, 2015, 08:13:07 AM

Heskey was brought in for the fading Carew.

Heskey was a faded Carew.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on June 10, 2015, 09:38:25 AM

Quote from: old man villa fan on June 10, 2015, 08:13:07 AM

Quote from: brontebilly on June 09, 2015, 11:16:54 PM

Quote from: old man villa fan on June 09, 2015, 10:25:07 PM

Quote from: olaftab on June 09, 2015, 10:20:06 PM

From BBC:
Aston Villa striker Darren Bent, 31, has sent a farewell message to the club's fans on Instagram  after joining Derby County permanently. "Thank you to the fans who have stuck by me through hard times. It has been a pleasure to play for you," it reads.

If only it had been Bent instead of Heskey.  The slide started with the purchase of Heskey and managers thinking teamwork/effort made up for lack of goals.

Don't think Bent would have improved matters too much as it would have forced the same tactical change that Heskey brought about i.e. dropping a midfielder and exposing Barry and Petrov's lack of mobility. That was the time for a classy number ten to come in as a different option.

Re the signings mentioned by the OP, Reo Coker and Sidwell were widely welcomed. Reo Coker I'd argue did a good job for us and Houllier was keen to keep him on, he has very badly advised. Sidwell was awful and like many of that Reading side he never amounted to much elsewhere.

Shorey, Harewood, Heskey were woeful lazy signings that no-one wanted. Beye, Cuellar, Warnock - three completely unnecessary signings too especially for the wages/ transfer fees they commanded.

Heskey was brought in for the fading Carew.

The bigger problem wasn't that we purchased players to fill out the squad, it's that we did it the wrong way round.  If you've got plenty of money to spend you make 2 types of signings, players who improve your best 11 or youngsters who are backup but have the potential to improve the first team over the next 2-3 seasons.  Filling out the squad by buying aging players who aren't quite as good as the players in front of them is a waste of money because you're buying players that you have no intention of playing unless there's injuries, you can fill that need with 17-22 year olds from your youth system who are paid peanuts (comparatively) and don't have a fee associated to them.  On top of that if they never make the step up but do manage a few games where they look good enough for the league below you can usually get a bit of cash for them after a few years, probably covering most of the wages they cost.

To give a simple example mon bought Lichaj and Beye, the former was practically free and probably on about £5k p/w the latter was £2.5m and 40k p/w and they did basically the same job as cover at fullback and when they came into the team there was little difference in quality.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 10, 2015, 09:45:17 AM

Erm, not sure where to put this:-

Fulham midfielder Ryan Tunnicliffe has been charged by the FA with 'aggravated misconduct by reference to sexual orientation' as a result of this tweet after the playoff final.

“Happy that Middlesbrough didn’t go up, just for the main fact that @Patrick_Bamford is a sausage boy.”

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 10, 2015, 10:14:20 AM

Quote from: IAmTheOneIanOlney on June 10, 2015, 07:13:28 AM

One of the more reliable transfer rumour accounts on Twitter says McCarthy has asked to leave Everton. If true, would hope we at least try and get him.

Isn't that a bit like saying one of the honest FIFA executives?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 10, 2015, 10:20:35 AM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on June 10, 2015, 09:45:17 AM

Erm, not sure where to put this:-

Fulham midfielder Ryan Tunnicliffe has been charged by the FA with 'aggravated misconduct by reference to sexual orientation' as a result of this tweet after the playoff final.

“Happy that Middlesbrough didn’t go up, just for the main fact that @Patrick_Bamford is a sausage boy.”

Maybe it's not homophobic, perhaps Tunnicliffe is a vegetarian?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 10, 2015, 10:27:02 AM

Does that Tweet mean Bamford was tagged in it and would be aware of it? I wonder what his response was if so?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on June 10, 2015, 10:31:13 AM

Quote from: olaftab on June 10, 2015, 09:35:52 AM

Quote from: old man villa fan on June 10, 2015, 08:13:07 AM

Heskey was brought in for the fading Carew.

Heskey was a faded Carew.

Heskey was a faded Heskey.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on June 10, 2015, 10:35:04 AM

Quote from: Ads on June 10, 2015, 10:27:02 AM

Does that Tweet mean Bamford was tagged in it and would be aware of it? I wonder what his response was if so?

He was and none.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 10, 2015, 10:39:48 AM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on June 10, 2015, 09:45:17 AM

Erm, not sure where to put this:-

Fulham midfielder Ryan Tunnicliffe has been charged by the FA with 'aggravated misconduct by reference to sexual orientation' as a result of this tweet after the playoff final.

“Happy that Middlesbrough didn’t go up, just for the main fact that @Patrick_Bamford is a sausage boy.”

This is transfer rumours and speculation not sexual orientation speculation. I think the gossip isn't even gossip. Let him be whoever he wants. What any issue is more that Tunnicliffe hurtful comments. No need for that they can make an example of him which I hope you were doing byb posting rather than idle gossip. What year is thisn2015 !!! Some people !! Esp footballers need to be better educated and respectful.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard E on June 10, 2015, 10:41:08 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 10, 2015, 10:39:48 AM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on June 10, 2015, 09:45:17 AM

Erm, not sure where to put this:-

Fulham midfielder Ryan Tunnicliffe has been charged by the FA with 'aggravated misconduct by reference to sexual orientation' as a result of this tweet after the playoff final.

“Happy that Middlesbrough didn’t go up, just for the main fact that @Patrick_Bamford is a sausage boy.”

This is transfer rumours and speculation not sexual orientation speculation. I think the gossip isn't even gossip. Let him be whoever he wants. What any issue is more that Tunnicliffe hurtful comments. No need for that they can make an example of him which I hope you were doing byb posting rather than idle gossip. What year is thisn2015 !!! Some people !! Esp footballers need to be better educated and respectful.

Can one of the Mods please start either a "Footballers Who Appear to Be Homophobic Assholes" or a "Sexual Orientation Speculation Summer 2015" thread?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 10, 2015, 10:41:48 AM

Any way funily enough I came on here to say my transfer research was kinda done by some others with a list of players ... Manybinwould have recomened .There's a thread already put up so I think I can put my summer holidays to other uses plus enjoy the cops america and Euros and chip in with a few players here and there. Also new ownership will make things very exciting .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on June 10, 2015, 10:42:11 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 10, 2015, 10:39:48 AM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on June 10, 2015, 09:45:17 AM

Erm, not sure where to put this:-

Fulham midfielder Ryan Tunnicliffe has been charged by the FA with 'aggravated misconduct by reference to sexual orientation' as a result of this tweet after the playoff final.

“Happy that Middlesbrough didn’t go up, just for the main fact that @Patrick_Bamford is a sausage boy.”

This is transfer rumours and speculation not sexual orientation speculation. I think the gossip isn't even gossip. Let him be whoever he wants. What any issue is more that Tunnicliffe hurtful comments. No need for that they can make an example of him which I hope you were doing byb posting rather than idle gossip. What year is thisn2015 !!! Some people !! Esp footballers need to be better educated and respectful.

Can't argue with that.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard E on June 10, 2015, 10:42:25 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 10, 2015, 10:39:48 AM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on June 10, 2015, 09:45:17 AM

Erm, not sure where to put this:-

Fulham midfielder Ryan Tunnicliffe has been charged by the FA with 'aggravated misconduct by reference to sexual orientation' as a result of this tweet after the playoff final.

“Happy that Middlesbrough didn’t go up, just for the main fact that @Patrick_Bamford is a sausage boy.”

This is transfer rumours and speculation not sexual orientation speculation. I think the gossip isn't even gossip. Let him be whoever he wants. What any issue is more that Tunnicliffe hurtful comments. No need for that they can make an example of him which I hope you were doing byb posting rather than idle gossip. What year is thisn2015 !!! Some people !! Esp footballers need to be better educated and respectful.

More seriously, on the assumption this is true the FA should throw the book at Tunnicliffe. It's no wonder footballers are afraid to come out.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 10, 2015, 10:43:24 AM

Quote from: AV82EC on June 10, 2015, 08:58:07 AM

Quote from: Holtemeister on June 10, 2015, 07:49:06 AM

Quote from: passport1 on June 09, 2015, 10:43:22 PM

j
I think in the main they were squad players. Given the massive underinvestment under Ellis it was a case of trying to build a squad  from a very low base.

Blimey that's a claim and a half right there fella...

Compared to the comparative under investment by Randy, apart from maybe the first part of his reign ... Doug was like Abramovich

Remember Dougs net worth was not likley to be anything near Randy's was / is and the income from TV rights just crumbs compared to what it is now.

In comparison...we didn't do to badly out of Doug...the more accurate criticism is that we missed opportunities by not investing that little bit more at important points in his tenure as chairman.

Comparing Doug Ellis to Abramovich in terms of largesse!! Have I landed in a parallel universe?

Brilliant, an Ellis debate. Can I join in?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard E on June 10, 2015, 10:44:39 AM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 10, 2015, 10:43:24 AM

Quote from: AV82EC on June 10, 2015, 08:58:07 AM

Quote from: Holtemeister on June 10, 2015, 07:49:06 AM

Quote from: passport1 on June 09, 2015, 10:43:22 PM

j
I think in the main they were squad players. Given the massive underinvestment under Ellis it was a case of trying to build a squad  from a very low base.

Blimey that's a claim and a half right there fella...

Compared to the comparative under investment by Randy, apart from maybe the first part of his reign ... Doug was like Abramovich

Remember Dougs net worth was not likley to be anything near Randy's was / is and the income from TV rights just crumbs compared to what it is now.

In comparison...we didn't do to badly out of Doug...the more accurate criticism is that we missed opportunities by not investing that little bit more at important points in his tenure as chairman.

Comparing Doug Ellis to Abramovich in terms of largesse!! Have I landed in a parallel universe?

Brilliant, an Ellis debate. Can I join in?

<opens the popcorn and relaxes back in chair>

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdward on June 10, 2015, 10:52:34 AM

Quote from: IAmTheOneIanOlney on June 10, 2015, 07:13:28 AM

One of the more reliable transfer rumour accounts on Twitter says McCarthy has asked to leave Everton. If true, would hope we at least try and get him.

We finally get to sign Benni McCarthy, when is Carlton Palmer coming?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Lobsterboy on June 10, 2015, 11:32:54 AM

Quote from: cdward on June 10, 2015, 10:52:34 AM

Quote from: IAmTheOneIanOlney on June 10, 2015, 07:13:28 AM

One of the more reliable transfer rumour accounts on Twitter says McCarthy has asked to leave Everton. If true, would hope we at least try and get him.

We finally get to sign Benni McCarthy, when is Carlton Palmer coming?

It's not Benni we're signing; it's Mick... he's Concrete Ron's replacement

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 10, 2015, 11:39:45 AM

Quote from: IAmTheOneIanOlney on June 10, 2015, 07:13:28 AM

One of the more reliable transfer rumour accounts on Twitter says McCarthy has asked to leave Everton. If true, would hope we at least try and get him.

*issues 'come and get me' plea*

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eamonn on June 10, 2015, 12:57:46 PM

McCarthy? Just a slight-upgrade on Westwood. I think we'd get the shitty end of the stick, them taking Cleverley off us and leave us with McCarthy.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 10, 2015, 01:03:16 PM

I think he would be a better holding option than Westwood, but not at the 15 million they will want for him!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on June 10, 2015, 01:41:18 PM

Quote from: paul_e on June 10, 2015, 09:38:25 AM

Quote from: old man villa fan on June 10, 2015, 08:13:07 AM

Quote from: brontebilly on June 09, 2015, 11:16:54 PM

Quote from: old man villa fan on June 09, 2015, 10:25:07 PM

Quote from: olaftab on June 09, 2015, 10:20:06 PM

From BBC:
Aston Villa striker Darren Bent, 31, has sent a farewell message to the club's fans on Instagram  after joining Derby County permanently. "Thank you to the fans who have stuck by me through hard times. It has been a pleasure to play for you," it reads.

If only it had been Bent instead of Heskey.  The slide started with the purchase of Heskey and managers thinking teamwork/effort made up for lack of goals.

Don't think Bent would have improved matters too much as it would have forced the same tactical change that Heskey brought about i.e. dropping a midfielder and exposing Barry and Petrov's lack of mobility. That was the time for a classy number ten to come in as a different option.

Re the signings mentioned by the OP, Reo Coker and Sidwell were widely welcomed. Reo Coker I'd argue did a good job for us and Houllier was keen to keep him on, he has very badly advised. Sidwell was awful and like many of that Reading side he never amounted to much elsewhere.

Shorey, Harewood, Heskey were woeful lazy signings that no-one wanted. Beye, Cuellar, Warnock - three completely unnecessary signings too especially for the wages/ transfer fees they commanded.

Heskey was brought in for the fading Carew.

The bigger problem wasn't that we purchased players to fill out the squad, it's that we did it the wrong way round.  If you've got plenty of money to spend you make 2 types of signings, players who improve your best 11 or youngsters who are backup but have the potential to improve the first team over the next 2-3 seasons.  Filling out the squad by buying aging players who aren't quite as good as the players in front of them is a waste of money because you're buying players that you have no intention of playing unless there's injuries, you can fill that need with 17-22 year olds from your youth system who are paid peanuts (comparatively) and don't have a fee associated to them.  On top of that if they never make the step up but do manage a few games where they look good enough for the league below you can usually get a bit of cash for them after a few years, probably covering most of the wages they cost.

To give a simple example mon bought Lichaj and Beye, the former was practically free and probably on about £5k p/w the latter was £2.5m and 40k p/w and they did basically the same job as cover at fullback and when they came into the team there was little difference in quality.

100% agree.

Also MON saw Heskey as a replacement for Carew when everybody knew that his best years (Leicester/Liverpool) had long gone and he had changed his style of play.  There was a classic case of going out and buying somebody better or at least their equal.  People said that Heskey was a team player but when you needed a goalscorer, he was the last player you wanted.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on June 10, 2015, 01:51:13 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 10, 2015, 10:41:48 AM

Any way funily enough I came on here to say my transfer research was kinda done by some others with a list of players ... Manybinwould have recomened .There's a thread already put up so I think I can put my summer holidays to other uses plus enjoy the cops america and Euros and chip in with a few players here and there. Also new ownership will make things very exciting .

You are contracting the work out?

That Manybinwould chap is a talented guy, by all accounts.  Better than Tony Carr at West Ham.  Exciting times.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on June 10, 2015, 02:07:03 PM

I honestly don't rate McCarthy at all, I don't even think he'd be an upgrade on Westwood, huge no from me, not what we need at all.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on June 10, 2015, 02:50:38 PM

I think the thing that separates McCarthy from Westwood is his athleticism: he's much quicker off the mark and can afford to be far more aggressive with his pressing and such. I think he's a little more comfortable in attacking areas as well.

Still, I'm pretty sure the reason why he'd be at odds with Everton would be that he wants to take a step up, not down (which is unfortunately where we are currently compared to Everton.)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on June 10, 2015, 03:13:13 PM

Aye, not that we'd be of much interest to him now (sadly) if he's looking for a step up from Everton, but he's exactly the type of player we could do with.

Would be an instant upgrade on Westwood and Cleverley.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 10, 2015, 03:24:50 PM

Quote from: Holtemeister on June 10, 2015, 07:49:06 AM

Quote from: passport1 on June 09, 2015, 10:43:22 PM

j
I think in the main they were squad players. Given the massive underinvestment under Ellis it was a case of trying to build a squad  from a very low base.

Blimey that's a claim and a half right there fella...

Compared to the comparative under investment by Randy, apart from maybe the first part of his reign ... Doug was like Abramovich

Remember Dougs net worth was not likley to be anything near Randy's was / is and the income from TV rights just crumbs compared to what it is now.

In comparison...we didn't do to badly out of Doug...the more accurate criticism is that we missed opportunities by not investing that little bit more at important points in his tenure as chairman.

I can't believe this view is still doing the rounds. We have published accounts you know. Randy's subsidy of villa is there for all to see. Why do you think we spent so much more than Everton in the oneill years, despite having similar crowds and league finishes.

Doug's tenure is definitely worth a rethink in light of all the mistakes randy made. But as far as I'm aware he never put a penny of his own money into subsidising transfers or wages

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 10, 2015, 03:29:18 PM

Summarised here

http://www.birminghampost.co.uk/business/business-news/accounts-reveal-aston-villa-made-6779956

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 10, 2015, 03:30:28 PM

Quote from: Holtemeister on June 10, 2015, 07:49:06 AM

Quote from: passport1 on June 09, 2015, 10:43:22 PM

j
I think in the main they were squad players. Given the massive underinvestment under Ellis it was a case of trying to build a squad  from a very low base.

Blimey that's a claim and a half right there fella...

Compared to the comparative under investment by Randy, apart from maybe the first part of his reign ... Doug was like Abramovich

Remember Dougs net worth was not likley to be anything near Randy's was / is and the income from TV rights just crumbs compared to what it is now.

In comparison...we didn't do to badly out of Doug...the more accurate criticism is that we missed opportunities by not investing that little bit more at important points in his tenure as chairman.

Wow.

Do you really, honestly believe this?

How much of his own money do you think Doug put into Villa the entire time he was here?

I'm not saying Ellis was, or is, the devil or anything, I'm just pointing out that what you've said here is factually incorrect.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave Javu on June 10, 2015, 03:52:35 PM

Once Herbert does finally pop his clogs, there's going be one hell of a Off-Topic-Thatcher-Thread style fight on H&V.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 10, 2015, 04:01:12 PM

leaving that particular polemic behind a moment, we won more under Doug than we have under Randy

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: AV82EC on June 10, 2015, 04:05:55 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 10, 2015, 04:01:12 PM

leaving that particular polemic behind a moment, we won more under Doug than we have under Randy

Quote from: mr underhill on June 10, 2015, 04:01:12 PM

leaving that particular polemic behind a moment, we won more under Doug than we have under Randy

Without sounding ungrateful we should have won more, under both of them.

Under Doug it was always a case of never quite going far enough or running the club to maximise its potential.

Under Lerner it was the colossal waste in his initial period as Chairman under MON.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 10, 2015, 04:47:01 PM

We've (and Everton) been linked in the Spanish press with Deportivo's keeper, Fabricio. Apparently he has a €6m buy out clause.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 10, 2015, 04:47:13 PM

Under Ellis is was a much more even playing field and he didn't have to compete against Russians and Sheikhs and years of Champions league riches. It was a time when we had numerous opportunities to step up and become a true giant in the second biggest city in England but Mr Corner shop fucked it up because he was only interested in keeping things ticking over and making a pretty penny.

Ellis was a small time twat.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: AVH87 on June 10, 2015, 04:49:00 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on June 10, 2015, 04:47:13 PM

Under Ellis is was a much more even playing field and he didn't have to compete against Russians and Sheikhs and years of Champions league riches. It was a time when we had numerous opportunities to step up and become a true giant in the second biggest city in England but Mr Corner shop fucked it up because he was only interested in keeping things ticking over and making a pretty penny.

Ellis was a small time twat.

This.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Witton Warrior on June 10, 2015, 06:05:23 PM

Quote from: hoyle87 on June 10, 2015, 04:49:00 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on June 10, 2015, 04:47:13 PM

Under Ellis is was a much more even playing field and he didn't have to compete against Russians and Sheikhs and years of Champions league riches. It was a time when we had numerous opportunities to step up and become a true giant in the second biggest city in England but Mr Corner shop fucked it up because he was only interested in keeping things ticking over and making a pretty penny.

Ellis was a small time twat.

This.

Yep - lost opportunities - there was a cracking thread about it a couple of years ago...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 10, 2015, 06:22:08 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on June 10, 2015, 04:47:13 PM

Ellis was a small time twat.

Harsh .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pig on June 10, 2015, 06:37:21 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on June 10, 2015, 04:47:13 PM

Ellis was a small time twat.

Very harsh, if you look at clubs in similar size and stature, Wednesday, Forest, Leeds, Newcastle, West Ham and then look at us under Doug, I for one am thankful for what he did in the 90s. He kept us afloat, clean balance sheet and made a few shrewd decisions.

Everyone makes mistakes and his will be for not going the extra mile, but Leeds went the extra mile and look at them now.

To say Ellis is a twat is daft.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: warleyboy on June 10, 2015, 07:40:56 PM

Quote from: pig on June 10, 2015, 06:37:21 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on June 10, 2015, 04:47:13 PM

Ellis was a small time twat.

Very harsh, if you look at clubs in similar size and stature, Wednesday, Forest, Leeds, Newcastle, West Ham and then look at us under Doug, I for one am thankful for what he did in the 90s. He kept us afloat, clean balance sheet and made a few shrewd decisions.

Everyone makes mistakes and his will be for not going the extra mile, but Leeds went the extra mile and look at them now.

Absolutely agree my friend.
Doug kept the club in a great place, only finger pointing could be maybe when we were top of table and we didn't go that extra mile to secure title.

To say Ellis is a twat is daft.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 10, 2015, 07:45:43 PM

Quote from: pig on June 10, 2015, 06:37:21 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on June 10, 2015, 04:47:13 PM

Ellis was a small time twat.

Very harsh, if you look at clubs in similar size and stature, Wednesday, Forest, Leeds, Newcastle, West Ham and then look at us under Doug, I for one am thankful for what he did in the 90s. He kept us afloat, clean balance sheet and made a few shrewd decisions.

Everyone makes mistakes and his will be for not going the extra mile, but Leeds went the extra mile and look at them now.

To say Ellis is a twat is daft.

First I have to massively disagree with the clubs of a similar size comment. Doug Ellis took over the champions of Europe and under his stewardship relegated them within half a decade. West Ham, Sheff Wednesday, Notts Forest aren't and never have been the size of our club. Newcastle had a sustained period of good finishes and Leeds were run by a charlatan who gambled everything on continued champions league money.

Don't forget, when Doug finally pissed off, we were rapidly running out of money and had just survived a relegation battle. Another couple of years under him and no one would have been surprised to have seen us in the Championship with the above clubs.

The best two finishes under him were thanks to the genius of Graham Taylor, who saved our club and his magnificent scouting and recruitment policy and the Big Ron who benefited from the Platt riches.

This isn't an Ellis thread so I won't drag it on but I stand by my comment that Doug was a twat, I'll add in a failure as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 10, 2015, 07:46:57 PM

And Leeds didn't go the extra mile, they went to another planet. Completely over the top and out of their league, the stories about Seth Johnson and rented fish tanks tell you exactly how they were run financially.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 10, 2015, 08:03:24 PM

I agree with the view that the club was run like a corner shop but calling Ellis a twat just makes a constructive comment into a personal one.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 10, 2015, 08:05:07 PM

It seems to me that "he didn't get us blown into oblivion like Peter Risdale did to Leeds" is the faintest of faint praise.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: spangley1812 on June 10, 2015, 08:17:34 PM

I would definitely be looking to offering John Guidetti a contract

IMO he is an upgrade on Gabby and Weimann

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 10, 2015, 08:28:39 PM

Big lad though isn't he?

I would be very tempted to offer Micah Richards a deal. Guidetti looks a good striker and like you say is worth a look. Diaby is sadly more injury prone than Vlaar, but sometimes a change of club and that changes, but would likely want silly money.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 10, 2015, 08:31:00 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 10, 2015, 04:01:12 PM

leaving that particular polemic behind a moment, we won more under Doug than we have under Randy

True, but that needs to be put in context.  There was no Champions League doping at the time which has lead to a small number of clubs monopolising each league.  I'd guess that the only 'doping' during that period was transferring from old-school ownership to a plc.  What did Villa generate when they went public and how much was invested into the club (and how much was trousered by the chairman)?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: spangley1812 on June 10, 2015, 08:31:12 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 10, 2015, 08:28:39 PM

Big lad though isn't he?

I would be very tempted to offer Micah Richards a deal. Guidetti looks a good striker and like you say is worth a look. Diaby is sadly more injury prone than Vlaar, but sometimes a change of club and that changes, but would likely want silly money.

He is a "big lad" yes...........

Richards is worth a look but may be looking for "silly money"

Diaby was a talented player but I would only offer a pay as you play deal

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 10, 2015, 08:34:37 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 10, 2015, 08:28:39 PM

Diaby is sadly more injury prone than Vlaar, but sometimes a change of club and that changes, but would likely want silly money.

An option might be to ask for Diaby on loan, whereby we only pay his wages if he is fit.  He is a quality player when fit and Arsenal would probably like someone else to give him the matches to get back to his potential.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: spangley1812 on June 10, 2015, 08:40:53 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 10, 2015, 08:34:37 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 10, 2015, 08:28:39 PM

Diaby is sadly more injury prone than Vlaar, but sometimes a change of club and that changes, but would likely want silly money.

An option might be to ask for Diaby on loan, whereby we only pay his wages if he is fit.  He is a quality player when fit and Arsenal would probably like someone else to give him the matches to get back to his potential.

He is a free agent as from the 1st of July so a loan isn't an option

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 10, 2015, 08:51:00 PM

Completely agree aj2k77.

Ellis was doing so well at the end, we couldn't find the money to grant that pug nosed ****** wish to make the Eirik Bakke loan permanent.

Ellis managed a period of prolonged retrenchment from the latter days of Gregory's reign, just over a longer period.  He eventually ran out of sofas to look for the next 4-5 million.  After NTL and the share issue, he'd got nowhere else to go, and he sure as hell wasn't going to dip into his own bank account.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on June 10, 2015, 08:58:56 PM

Quote from: OCD on June 10, 2015, 08:03:24 PM

I agree with the view that the club was run like a corner shop but calling Ellis a twat just makes a constructive comment into a personal one.

But he actually was a twat, in many ways. Running the club like a corner shop is just but one example.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 10, 2015, 09:06:52 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 10, 2015, 08:31:00 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 10, 2015, 04:01:12 PM

leaving that particular polemic behind a moment, we won more under Doug than we have under Randy

True, but that needs to be put in context.  There was no Champions League doping at the time which has lead to a small number of clubs monopolising each league.  I'd guess that the only 'doping' during that period was transferring from old-school ownership to a plc.  What did Villa generate when they went public and how much was invested into the club (and how much was trousered by the chairman)?

NTL paid a £26m loan for 9.9% of Villa in January 2000. We bought Ginola and Alpay that summer for around £8m and only a fan protest got the fucker to sign Angel in the January of 01.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 10, 2015, 09:08:12 PM

Ginola of course being a typical Doug vanity project.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 10, 2015, 09:47:48 PM

Fox "Randy, hurry up and sell so me and Tim can get on with sorting this shit out". Sky Sports. Quite right too.

Ellis has gone. Can we leave it there, please?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 10, 2015, 10:22:48 PM

Quote from: Newby on June 10, 2015, 09:47:48 PM

Fox "Randy, hurry up and sell so me and Tim can get on with sorting this shit out". Sky Sports. Quite right too.

Must have missed that bit.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2015, 12:00:24 AM

Quote from: aj2k77 on June 10, 2015, 09:06:52 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 10, 2015, 08:31:00 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 10, 2015, 04:01:12 PM

leaving that particular polemic behind a moment, we won more under Doug than we have under Randy

True, but that needs to be put in context.  There was no Champions League doping at the time which has lead to a small number of clubs monopolising each league.  I'd guess that the only 'doping' during that period was transferring from old-school ownership to a plc.  What did Villa generate when they went public and how much was invested into the club (and how much was trousered by the chairman)?

NTL paid a £26m loan for 9.9% of Villa in January 2000. We bought Ginola and Alpay that summer for around £8m and only a fan protest got the fucker to sign Angel in the January of 01.

What do you think paid for the Trinity Road?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 11, 2015, 05:58:04 AM

Get the sense that Austin to Newcastle is getting closer

If we do need to replace benteke that would pretty much exhaust the credible options with a proven premier league record I think

While resolution to the ownership situation by early July still leaves plenty of time for transfers, there's definitely a risk that the options left on the market are pretty limited. Especially if we've not been doing the groundwork with agents and clubs that seems to be required nowadays.

Clubs that we'd like to think we can compete with are starting to strengthen and this squad without benteke will definitely be in another relegation scrap. So need to get it resolved asap

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on June 11, 2015, 09:41:45 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2015, 12:00:24 AM

Quote from: aj2k77 on June 10, 2015, 09:06:52 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 10, 2015, 08:31:00 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 10, 2015, 04:01:12 PM

leaving that particular polemic behind a moment, we won more under Doug than we have under Randy

True, but that needs to be put in context.  There was no Champions League doping at the time which has lead to a small number of clubs monopolising each league.  I'd guess that the only 'doping' during that period was transferring from old-school ownership to a plc.  What did Villa generate when they went public and how much was invested into the club (and how much was trousered by the chairman)?

NTL paid a £26m loan for 9.9% of Villa in January 2000. We bought Ginola and Alpay that summer for around £8m and only a fan protest got the fucker to sign Angel in the January of 01.

What do you think paid for the Trinity Road?

not much of a percentage of £26m.
And HDE's management company earned a large slice of the final bill, allegedly.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 11, 2015, 09:59:25 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on June 11, 2015, 05:58:04 AM

Get the sense that Austin to Newcastle is getting closer

If we do need to replace benteke that would pretty much exhaust the credible options with a proven premier league record I think

Do they need to have a proven Premier League record?

Benteke didn't.  How about we go and get the next one of them if we do sell the current one.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on June 11, 2015, 10:03:36 AM

Quote from: Dave on June 11, 2015, 09:59:25 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on June 11, 2015, 05:58:04 AM

Get the sense that Austin to Newcastle is getting closer

If we do need to replace benteke that would pretty much exhaust the credible options with a proven premier league record I think

Do they need to have a proven Premier League record?

Benteke didn't.  How about we go and get the next one of them if we do sell the current one.

Risky though isn't it? For every Benteke we've found in recent years, there's a Luna, Tonev, Helenius, etc. If we were Stoke, West Ham, or any side with a squad already capable of comfortably finishing mid-table then I'd tend to agree that would be the best way forward, but we're not.

At present, we face the prospect of losing Vlaar, Cleverley and Benteke from our current squad. At this stage, I'd much rather we spent money to bring in players with proven Premiership quality than continue to look for hidden gems in Europe.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 11, 2015, 10:20:41 AM

Adebayor will be the man 😕

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on June 11, 2015, 10:47:46 AM

I don't think we would sanction his wages

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 11, 2015, 11:20:04 AM

Very happy to look in foreign markets for a new benteke. The problem is if it doesn't come off we're fucked. Ideally we would get two in - one proven and one with potential to be better.

But aside from Ricky lambert who I rate but is clearly ageing, I can't think of any others.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 11, 2015, 11:23:39 AM

for me personally if we signed either Lambert or Adebayor I would give up football and start following professional cribbage

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on June 11, 2015, 11:53:09 AM

Quote from: RussellC on June 11, 2015, 10:03:36 AM

Quote from: Dave on June 11, 2015, 09:59:25 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on June 11, 2015, 05:58:04 AM

Get the sense that Austin to Newcastle is getting closer

If we do need to replace benteke that would pretty much exhaust the credible options with a proven premier league record I think

Do they need to have a proven Premier League record?

Benteke didn't.  How about we go and get the next one of them if we do sell the current one.

Risky though isn't it? For every Benteke we've found in recent years, there's a Luna, Tonev, Helenius, etc. If we were Stoke, West Ham, or any side with a squad already capable of comfortably finishing mid-table then I'd tend to agree that would be the best way forward, but we're not.

At present, we face the prospect of losing Vlaar, Cleverley and Benteke from our current squad. At this stage, I'd much rather we spent money to bring in players with proven Premiership quality than continue to look for hidden gems in Europe.

Yes, but who with proven Premiership quality, especially in relation to scoring goals, is out there, and willing to come to us? Austin is one, but the chances aren't great. That leaves you hunting in a market where Shane bloody Long costs 12 million.

I think what we need to do is find someone who has the ability and the record in a good foreign league to properly warrant paying 5+ million, and then pay it - no more flyers on players from second-tier leagues, please. Yeah, maybe it doesn't work out, but I doubt the probability of success with that approach is any better if sticking exclusively to the EPL.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Damo70 on June 11, 2015, 12:06:44 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 11, 2015, 11:23:39 AM

for me personally if we signed either Lambert or Adebayor I would give up football and start following professional cribbage

I think with Lambert at least you know what you are getting. Effort and a reasonable amount of goals if he plays regularly. You also know what you are getting with Adebayor. A load or hassle, probably sooner as opposed to later.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on June 11, 2015, 12:11:18 PM

Quote from: Damo70 on June 11, 2015, 12:06:44 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 11, 2015, 11:23:39 AM

for me personally if we signed either Lambert or Adebayor I would give up football and start following professional cribbage

I think with Lambert at least you know what you are getting. Effort and a reasonable amount of goals if he plays regularly. You also know what you are getting with Adebayor. A load or hassle, probably sooner as opposed to later.

But if we're going to look at spending circa £3million and around £40k-£50k per week on 33 year-old Rickie Lambert, we'd be mad not to look at spending £10-£15m and a similar salary on 25 year-old Charlie Austin, a player with both time and re-sale value on his side.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: alan_clarke on June 11, 2015, 12:13:39 PM

Nothing is guaranteed - Soldado's record before he came to Spurs, in Europe's top league was fantastic (despite the fee they paid), but he has returned very little in goals.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on June 11, 2015, 12:17:58 PM

Quote from: passitsideways on June 11, 2015, 11:53:09 AM

Quote from: RussellC on June 11, 2015, 10:03:36 AM

Quote from: Dave on June 11, 2015, 09:59:25 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on June 11, 2015, 05:58:04 AM

Get the sense that Austin to Newcastle is getting closer

If we do need to replace benteke that would pretty much exhaust the credible options with a proven premier league record I think

Do they need to have a proven Premier League record?

Benteke didn't.  How about we go and get the next one of them if we do sell the current one.

Risky though isn't it? For every Benteke we've found in recent years, there's a Luna, Tonev, Helenius, etc. If we were Stoke, West Ham, or any side with a squad already capable of comfortably finishing mid-table then I'd tend to agree that would be the best way forward, but we're not.

At present, we face the prospect of losing Vlaar, Cleverley and Benteke from our current squad. At this stage, I'd much rather we spent money to bring in players with proven Premiership quality than continue to look for hidden gems in Europe.

Yes, but who with proven Premiership quality, especially in relation to scoring goals, is out there, and willing to come to us? Austin is one, but the chances aren't great. That leaves you hunting in a market where Shane bloody Long costs 12 million.

I think what we need to do is find someone who has the ability and the record in a good foreign league to properly warrant paying 5+ million, and then pay it - no more flyers on players from second-tier leagues, please. Yeah, maybe it doesn't work out, but I doubt the probability of success with that approach is any better if sticking exclusively to the EPL.

We all saw first hand the glass ceiling of signing players with proven premier league experience, yes we finished 6th but it took 4-5 seasons to balance the books after that and we have fuck all to show for it.  The market within the league is a joke where Lallana for £25m and Stirling and Kane for £50m are the punchlines. Austin is about the only striker in the premier league that offers anything like value for money in the market we're looking at, so if he's going elsewhere then we're going to have to go abroad.

There's a few options for quality young strikers in europe who will cost half (or less) of what we can get for Benteke, they're the only reasonable options for us.  The key is to get the midfield scoring goals so whoever we do bring in isn't the only goal threat.  I've heard lots of good things about Yassine Benzia from a guy at our french office when I asked about good young players over there.  Only has a year on his contract and doesn't seem to be linked with anyone so wouldn't cost a huge amount.  I've only seen him on youtube but he looks decent and he has a very good scoring record (roughly 1 in 2 for Lyon).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 11, 2015, 12:18:34 PM

I think we definitely should be in for Austin. We might get timed out though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 11, 2015, 12:34:29 PM

I like Austin as a striker, but think he will go up to try and be the saviour of the toon by the looks of it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on June 11, 2015, 12:36:31 PM

I'd be inclined to have a punt at Stevan Jovetic at Citeh.

Proven track-record in Europe.  Hasn't really had a look in at his present club. 

We might be able to wrangle a loan signing with a view to a permanent deal.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 11, 2015, 12:50:43 PM

presumably with them subbing a huge proportion of his wedge?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on June 11, 2015, 12:54:19 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 11, 2015, 12:50:43 PM

presumably with them subbing a huge proportion of his wedge?

Depends what he's on.  City sanctioned loan moves for Richards, Guidetti, Negrado, Sinclair and Nastasic last season. So it might not be out of the realms of possibility.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 11, 2015, 01:42:27 PM

Dzeko is another player who I think man City would be happy to have off their books (even if they are subsidising his wages).  He would be a good safe bet and maybe allow us to sign a rough diamond of a youngster.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on June 11, 2015, 01:43:35 PM

Players on Premier League clubs’ released list

Slim pickings.


Arsenal

Semi Ajayi
Abou Diaby
Jack Jebb
Austin Lipman
Ryo Miyaichi
Brandon Ormonde-Ottewill
Josh Vickers

Aston Villa
Darren Bent
Graham Burke
Alfie Crooks
Christopher Herd
Craig Hill
Bradley Lewis
Isaac Nehemie
Daniel O’Brien
Enda Stevens
Thomas Strain
Ron Vlaar
Courtney Wildin

Burnley

Cameron Howieson
Steven Reid
Ross Wallace

Chelsea

Didier Drogba

Crystal Palace

Shola Ameobi
Michael Chambers
Kyle De Silva
Stephen Dobbie
Owen Garvan
Brede Hangeland
Lewis Price
Peter Ramage
Ghassimu Sow
Jerome Thomas

Everton

Antolín Alcaraz
Sylvain Distin
George Green
Curtis Langton
John Lundstram
Ben McLaughlin

Hull City

Joseph Cracknell
Leon Dawson
Joseph Dudgeon
Maynor Figueroa
Stephen Harper
John Mahon
Jonathon Margetts
Eoghan McCawl
Paul McShane
Mark Oxley
Liam Rosenior
Yannick Sagbo
Sam Topliss

Leicester City

Zoumana Bakayogo
Marcel Barrington
Adam Dawson
Paul Gallagher
Kieran Kennedy
Conrad Logan
Herve Pepe-Ngoma
Louis Rowley
Gary Taylor-Fletcher
Matthew Upson

Liverpool

Steven Gerrard
Glen Johnson
Brad Jones
Jordan Lussey
Marc Pelosi

Manchester City

Adam Drury
John Guidetti
Frank Lampard
Greg Leigh
Dominic Oduro
Micah Richards

Manchester United

Benjamin Amos
Tom Cleverley
Callum Evans
Ryan McConnell
Thomas Thorpe

Newcastle United

Jak lnwick
Adam Campbell
Jonás Gutierrez
Remie Streete
Ryan Taylor

QPR

Bruno Andrade
Joey Barton
Richard Dunne
Rio Ferdinand
Jordan Gibbons
Karl Henry
Aaron Lennox
Brian Murphy
Jamie Sendles-White
Shaun Wright-Phillips
Bobby Zamora

Southampton

Artur Boruc
Cody Cropper
Jos Hooiveld
Chris Johns
Omar Rowe
Jake Sinclair

Stoke City

Oluwatomisin Adeloye
James Alabi
Sam Coulson
Alex Grant
Wilson Palacios
Robbie Parry
Nathan Ricketts-Hopkinson
Thomas Sorensen
Adam Thomas
Charlie Ward
Elliot Wheeler
Andrew Wilkinson

Sunderland

Wes Brown
Peter Burke
Andrew Cartwright
Joel Dixon
Tom McNamee
Anthony Réveillère

Swansea City

Thomas Atyeo
David Cornell
Rory Donnelly
Corey Francis
Giancarlo Gallifuoco
Joseph Jones
Kurtis March
Curtis Obeng
Gareth Owen
Scott Tancock
Alan Tate
Gerhard Tremmel

Tottenham Hotspur

Jordan Archer
Cristian Ceballos
Brad Friedel
Bongani Khumalo
Aaron McEneff
Alexander McQueen
Jonathan Miles

West Bromwich Albion

Wesley Atkinson
Christopher Baird
Aaron Birch
Jason Davidson
Bradley Garmston
Alexander Jones
Gareth McAuley
Youssouf Mulumbu
Mani O’Sullivan

West Ham United

Kieran Bywater
Carlton Cole
Nenê
Guy Demel
Juusi Jaaskelainen
Sean Maguire
Paul McCallum
Daniel Potts

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 11, 2015, 01:44:15 PM

We've never bought players like jovetic and dzeko so the chances of us doing so now must be tiny

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Lobsterboy on June 11, 2015, 01:49:45 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on June 11, 2015, 01:44:15 PM

We've never bought players like jovetic and dzeko so the chances of us doing so now must be tiny

And given both are presumably earning well in excess of £100,000 a week at Man Citeh then we are unlikely to be in the market for them unless new owners arrive quickly and with bundles of cash!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 11, 2015, 01:58:19 PM

Footyskillz is going to have a field day with that released list.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 11, 2015, 01:59:59 PM

Quote from: Lobsterboy on June 11, 2015, 01:49:45 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on June 11, 2015, 01:44:15 PM

We've never bought players like jovetic and dzeko so the chances of us doing so now must be tiny

And given both are presumably earning well in excess of £100,000 a week at Man Citeh then we are unlikely to be in the market for them unless new owners arrive quickly and with bundles of cash!

But once they're not flavour of the month it is not unreasonable for Man City (or any of the big clubs) to continue paying some of their wages.  Adebeyor at spurs being the obvious example.  I'd be surprised if Bolton paid all of Huttons wages too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2015, 02:08:49 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 11, 2015, 01:58:19 PM

Footyskillz is going to have a field day with that released list.

I know I shouldn't laugh but ...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 11, 2015, 02:11:46 PM

Shame Mulumbu seems to be a bit past it, would have been a decent signing a few years back.

Won't feel comfortable until Karl Henry and Joey Barton have been signed by other clubs....

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: bob on June 11, 2015, 02:19:10 PM

kinell there are a lot of shit players about

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on June 11, 2015, 02:20:06 PM

According to various 'sources' on Twitter, we're in talks with Micah Richards.

I reiterate, 'sources'.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdward on June 11, 2015, 02:22:42 PM

I thought Graham Burke was one for the future. Didn't he shine in the next gen series we won a couple of years back.
Oh well, file under Stefan Moore/ Nathan Delfonueso.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Lobsterboy on June 11, 2015, 02:28:01 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 11, 2015, 01:59:59 PM

Quote from: Lobsterboy on June 11, 2015, 01:49:45 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on June 11, 2015, 01:44:15 PM

We've never bought players like jovetic and dzeko so the chances of us doing so now must be tiny

And given both are presumably earning well in excess of £100,000 a week at Man Citeh then we are unlikely to be in the market for them unless new owners arrive quickly and with bundles of cash!

But once they're not flavour of the month it is not unreasonable for Man City (or any of the big clubs) to continue paying some of their wages.  Adebeyor at spurs being the obvious example.  I'd be surprised if Bolton paid all of Huttons wages too.

Possibly but highly unlikely their agents will be advising them to swap Champions League for a relegation dogfight

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2015, 02:34:29 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on June 11, 2015, 02:11:46 PM

Shame Mulumbu seems to be a bit past it, would have been a decent signing a few years back.

He's still only 28 but seems to have regressed a lot over the last couple of years. I really rated him a few years ago.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on June 11, 2015, 02:35:36 PM

Cebellos at Tottingham was rated quite highly a while back, and still quite young.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2015, 02:44:21 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 11, 2015, 02:20:06 PM

According to various 'sources' on Twitter, we're in talks with Micah Richards.

I reiterate, 'sources'.

I know he went off the boil a bit and also went all Gabby with his added bull but even so he's a good upgrade on the Hutton/Lowton/Bacuna.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on June 11, 2015, 02:49:53 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 11, 2015, 02:20:06 PM

According to various 'sources' on Twitter, we're in talks with Micah Richards.

I reiterate, 'sources'.

He's a Brummie, at least

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: exigo on June 11, 2015, 02:50:30 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 11, 2015, 02:20:06 PM

According to various 'sources' on Twitter, we're in talks with Micah Richards.

I reiterate, 'sources'.

Well, let's face it. If Vlaar leaves, that physio table isn't going to fill itself.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2015, 02:51:05 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2015, 02:44:21 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 11, 2015, 02:20:06 PM

According to various 'sources' on Twitter, we're in talks with Micah Richards.

I reiterate, 'sources'.

I know he went off the boil a bit and also went all Gabby with his added bull but even so he's a good upgrade on the Hutton/Lowton/Bacuna.

Or he'll carry on being injured most of the time and so be of little use.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2015, 02:57:33 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2015, 02:51:05 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2015, 02:44:21 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 11, 2015, 02:20:06 PM

According to various 'sources' on Twitter, we're in talks with Micah Richards.

I reiterate, 'sources'.

I know he went off the boil a bit and also went all Gabby with his added bull but even so he's a good upgrade on the Hutton/Lowton/Bacuna.

Or he'll carry on being injured most of the time and so be of little use.

He'll fit right in with us then. Can take Vlaar's spot on the physio's table.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 11, 2015, 03:36:13 PM

Sky bet suspended betting on Richards, I think he's decent and he's still only 26

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 11, 2015, 03:38:08 PM

that's what my sources told me anyway

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard E on June 11, 2015, 03:38:32 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on June 11, 2015, 03:36:13 PM

Sky bet suspended betting on Richards, I think he's decent and he's still only 26

I saw that the odds had tumbled. I do wonder how much can be read into that because the market for bets on who Micah Richards' next club will be is not going to be massive, one would have thought, so it would not take much money being lumped on to change the odds. I quite like Richards, if he stayed fit then he'd be a decent replacement for the blancmange one.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2015, 03:41:01 PM

19 league appearances in 3 years, he's perfect for us! If he could stay fit he could be a decent signing, but it's a pretty big if, especially considering our luck with injuries over the last 4 or 5 years.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on June 11, 2015, 03:42:36 PM

Quote from: exigo on June 11, 2015, 02:50:30 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 11, 2015, 02:20:06 PM

According to various 'sources' on Twitter, we're in talks with Micah Richards.

I reiterate, 'sources'.

Well, let's face it. If Vlaar leaves, that physio table isn't going to fill itself.

Fuck it, let's get Abou Diaby too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on June 11, 2015, 04:13:09 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2015, 03:41:01 PM

19 league appearances in 3 years, he's perfect for us! If he could stay fit he could be a decent signing, but it's a pretty big if, especially considering our luck with injuries over the last 4 or 5 years.

We could just play him in home games only.  It would avoid all risk of injury boarding/disembarking the bus.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on June 11, 2015, 05:37:11 PM

We're favorites apparently.. don't recognize winner sports though

http://www.winnersports.co.uk/micah-richards-set-for-aston-villa-fc-move-68454

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 11, 2015, 05:55:38 PM

A few years ago he looked massively promising. I reckon he'd be good on a free.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 11, 2015, 06:47:26 PM

Several reports suggesting we're confident of getting him

I don't think he was injured all the time last season was he? Just not considered good enough?

I wonder if sherwood sees him as a right back or centre back?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TopDeck113 on June 11, 2015, 06:55:16 PM

Quote from: TopDeck113 on June 05, 2015, 06:28:52 PM

Kieran Trippier's mum works in my local convenience store and his cousin goes to my school.  I'll see what I can find out...

I asked her a little earlier.  Apparently he'd like to continue playing in the Premier League but doesn't want to move away from the Manchester area. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 11, 2015, 07:45:58 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on June 11, 2015, 06:47:26 PM

Several reports suggesting we're confident of getting him

I don't think he was injured all the time last season was he? Just not considered good enough?

I wonder if sherwood sees him as a right back or centre back?

If he can get back to what he was he'd be a big asset. Plus we have fuck all to spend at the moment, so it'd be good to get a new body in if we can.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Legion on June 11, 2015, 07:52:46 PM

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Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on June 11, 2015, 07:53:21 PM

I actually thought Micah Richards was older. To be fair 26 is a decent age, and enough time to improve. I think because of injuries he's never quite ironed out the defensive sloppiness that he may have with more games under his belt.
I suppose on a free it's an okay deal. Can he do any worse than Ron Vlaar?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 11, 2015, 08:00:46 PM

We had a bed going spare in the physio suite so it makes perfect sense.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: spangley1812 on June 11, 2015, 08:03:39 PM

Apparently he turned down £90,000 pw @ Sunderland to accept our £65,000pw....

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 11, 2015, 08:09:18 PM

£65,000 I severley doubt we'd pay that.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 11, 2015, 08:09:32 PM

Quote from: TopDeck113 on June 11, 2015, 06:55:16 PM

Quote from: TopDeck113 on June 05, 2015, 06:28:52 PM

Kieran Trippier's mum works in my local convenience store and his cousin goes to my school.  I'll see what I can find out...

I asked her a little earlier.  Apparently he'd like to continue playing in the Premier League but doesn't want to move away from the Manchester area. 

That'll cover anywhere from Newcastle to Swansea.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frank black on June 11, 2015, 08:09:56 PM

Better than any of our defenders, if fit.

Great signing and I hope we pull it off.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Hoppo on June 11, 2015, 08:15:20 PM

Fantastic signing.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on June 11, 2015, 08:17:44 PM

If he stays fit then we could possibly have one of the best right backs at Villa we've ever had....and in his prime.

Could get the ball rolling.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: nigel on June 11, 2015, 08:20:43 PM

Quote from: spangley1812 on June 11, 2015, 08:03:39 PM

Apparently he turned down £90,000 pw @ Sunderland to accept our £65,000pw....

Proves he won't go where the money is (although 65000 is some wedge)
It also gives an indication of what Benteke will be offered.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 11, 2015, 08:22:39 PM

Quote from: supertom on June 11, 2015, 07:53:21 PM

I actually thought Micah Richards was older.

Same here, much older. Near retirement older. If we can keep him fit he's a fine player.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 11, 2015, 08:25:22 PM

Quote from: Tuscans on June 11, 2015, 08:17:44 PM

If he stays fit then we could possibly have one of the best right backs at Villa we've ever had....and in his prime.

Could get the ball rolling.

We might use him at centre back.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2015, 08:27:10 PM

Does anyone know if he stayed injury free in Italy? Like everyone, if he's fit he's a very good RB and a very competent CB.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: nigel on June 11, 2015, 08:30:54 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2015, 08:27:10 PM

Does anyone know if he stayed injury free in Italy? Like everyone, if he's fit he's a very good RB and a very competent CB.

According to Wiki he played 10 league and 7 cup games.
Apparently they changed to a 3-5-2 after he arrived

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2015, 08:31:12 PM

He's potentially a very good signing, problem is it's based on the player he was 4 or 5 years ago, since then he's had major injury problems and hardly played. I don't have a clue if he's still any good or not as I can't remember the last time I saw him play.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Quiet Lion on June 11, 2015, 08:34:20 PM

Well it seems I am the only one to think he is shit.

£65k a week as well, I'll pass on that

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mrastonvilla on June 11, 2015, 08:36:33 PM

Well done Sir Tim. Good signing to start off the summer with.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on June 11, 2015, 08:42:07 PM

Really pleased with that one to be fair. Well done...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 11, 2015, 08:47:08 PM

Quote from: Quiet Lion on June 11, 2015, 08:34:20 PM

Well it seems I am the only one to think he is shit.

£65k a week as well, I'll pass on that

You're wrong on the shit front. He's potentially very good.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on June 11, 2015, 08:48:08 PM

The major debate will be whether you play Richards at CH or RB. I think his delivery is a little erratic at fullback, and defensively he's had errors in him at CH, but at his age, he should probably be a step ahead of Okore in terms of solidity.
Or course the key question will be fitness. He's not play regularly for 3 seasons now, so that will have hampered his development. In fairness it probably wasn't all injury related. He had Zabaleta ahead of him at City, and at Fiorentina it seemed he didn't fit with the system Montella used.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on June 11, 2015, 09:36:38 PM

Potentially fantastic signing if its a done deal and we can keep him fit.

Mirror (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-agree-micah-richards-5866880): reports its a done deal and turned down Sunderlands move on much higher salary

Not so sure on this one...

Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3120500/Micah-Richards-poised-join-Aston-Villa-free-transfer-Manchester-City.html): reports TS changing formation to 352...but makes the point that he would be a straight replacement if Vlaar fucks off

He's potentially better than Vlaar...but also has the same potential for the injuries.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 11, 2015, 09:48:52 PM

I was about to say there's no way sherwood will switch to 352. I'm pretty confident he won't, but he could potentially see it as a way to play with two strikers and a number 10 (grealish) without losing too much width.

But I don't see it personally

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: nigel on June 11, 2015, 09:51:25 PM

Quote from: KRS on June 11, 2015, 09:36:38 PM

Potentially fantastic signing if its a done deal and we can keep him fit.

Mirror (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-agree-micah-richards-5866880): reports its a done deal and turned down Sunderlands move on much higher salary

Not so sure on this one...

Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3120500/Micah-Richards-poised-join-Aston-Villa-free-transfer-Manchester-City.html): reports TS changing formation to 352...but makes the point that he would be a straight replacement if Vlaar fucks off

He's potentially better than Vlaar...but also has the same potential for the injuries.

I like the 3-5-2 formation.
Simple to operate and easy to change if under pressure.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Monty on June 11, 2015, 09:53:13 PM

How is 3-5-2 simple to operate?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on June 11, 2015, 09:57:48 PM

I think TS would stick with a back 4 with attacking wingbacks with Richards as CB...but I expect he may well experiment with both formations in preseason.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 11, 2015, 11:43:39 PM

Quote from: Monty on June 11, 2015, 09:53:13 PM

How is 3-5-2 simple to operate?

Monty, I'll bow down to your greater knowledge but I think it is quite a simple system, the 3 at the back (easy), the 2 up front (a classic little and large partnership), the confusion arises in the midfield and especially the wing-backs.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 11, 2015, 11:47:10 PM

It sounds as though Sherwood wants the flexibility to be able to use different formations. So he might use 3-5-2 on occasion but I don't think it will be a priority for him. 3-5-2 too easily becomes 5-3-2 and I doubt Sherwood would be ok with that.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2015, 11:57:55 PM

Systems need players to make best use of them. If the players aren't good enough in one system then any system can defeat it. How many systems did Rodgers play against in the cup final? His players weren't good enough and we beat them. I think it's too easy to get caught up in the pros and cons of systems. Ultimately we need better players that have the versatility to play different ways as the situation demands.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 12, 2015, 12:08:21 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2015, 11:57:55 PM

Systems need players to make best use of them. If the players aren't good enough in one system then any system can defeat it. How many systems did Rodgers play against in the cup final? His players weren't good enough and we beat them. I think it's too easy to get caught up in the pros and cons of systems. Ultimately we need better players that have the versatility to play different ways as the situation demands.

I agree, but we need - in my opinion - a default/preferred system because we need to know where we focus our spending.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: steffo on June 12, 2015, 12:13:31 AM

3-5-2 is not a bad shout in the current era. Most teams play narrow football relying on full backs to provide width which we have found out does not work!

There are 3 drawbacks of 352. A) Players to play it B) One of the wide midfield players must be classed as a winger. C) Good sides will exploit the area behind the wing backs.

Currently we have no decent fullbacks so there is no logic in playing 442 !!!!!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 12, 2015, 12:37:46 AM

In fairness, 3-5-2 with Bacuna and Bennett as wing backs getting crosses in, Delph and Another with Grealish in midfield and 2 centre forwards would be interesting. At home it might work really well. Away it might get isolated if pinned back. But a back 3 of Clark, Okore and Richards does look quite interesting. Not slow, fairly decent on the ball and all of an age where if it gelled together it would be ideal, plus Richards can easily bump across to right back and the flexibility is there to slip into a 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 if need be.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: oldtimernow on June 12, 2015, 06:09:46 AM

Now here's an oddity we would have Richards and Richardson who would be older than Richards?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on June 12, 2015, 06:13:35 AM

When I think of Richards that interview always comes to mind when he swore after scoring against us, I hope he swears in his signing interview.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 12, 2015, 06:22:53 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 11, 2015, 11:43:39 PM

Quote from: Monty on June 11, 2015, 09:53:13 PM

How is 3-5-2 simple to operate?

Monty, I'll bow down to your greater knowledge but I think it is quite a simple system, the 3 at the back (easy), the 2 up front (a classic little and large partnership), the confusion arises in the midfield and especially the wing-backs.

There's a reason not many teams play this way any more though. It's awful against a 433 or variant, which so many teams play now. I wouldn't be an advocate at all.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on June 12, 2015, 08:23:46 AM

"Tottenham centre-back Younes Kaboul, 29, is surplus to requirements at White Hart Lane - but Spurs want £5m to let him go. (Guardian) "

From today's Gossip Column. Would be a decent replacement for Vlaar, in my opinion.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: nigel on June 12, 2015, 08:29:00 AM

Quote from: Monty on June 11, 2015, 09:53:13 PM

How is 3-5-2 simple to operate?

You don't need to be a footballing mastermind to understand how a 3-5-2 operates.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Monty on June 12, 2015, 08:52:56 AM

Pretty much everyone has trouble playing 3-5-2 these days, especially if the opposition is playing some sort of 4-3-3. You get no advantage in midfield and doubled-up on out wide, while you find yourself with a centre-back spare who at some point may lose a runner from midfield because he's on his heels, whereas the runner has momentum. No, 3-5-2 tends to do well enough in specific situations or for getting yourself out a rut these days, but everyone who's tried to build a team on it recently has had to give up - even Pep.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 12, 2015, 08:55:05 AM

We could play 343 or a variation there of. If your defence is quick, and Okore and Richards are if nothing, rapid, then that covers a multitude of positional sins.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 12, 2015, 09:01:58 AM

It can work if flexible enough for one of the 3 to step up into the role picking up an advancing midfielder. But would then get way to complex for our lot!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: nigel on June 12, 2015, 09:15:25 AM

Quote from: Monty on June 12, 2015, 08:52:56 AM

Pretty much everyone has trouble playing 3-5-2 these days, especially if the opposition is playing some sort of 4-3-3. You get no advantage in midfield and doubled-up on out wide, while you find yourself with a centre-back spare who at some point may lose a runner from midfield because he's on his heels, whereas the runner has momentum. No, 3-5-2 tends to do well enough in specific situations or for getting yourself out a rut these days, but everyone who's tried to build a team on it recently has had to give up - even Pep.

I understand what you're saying, but, Is that the system or the players that is the problem?
You certainly need the proper wingback in place, as when under pressure will be defending in what becomes a 5-3-2. Gidman and Swain would have been perfect for this role.
People go on about 4-4-2 & 4-3-3 but they're totally different when set up with diamonds etc, too.

If Pep failed, maybe he's not as good as we all thought  ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 12, 2015, 09:37:54 AM

Quote from: Ads on June 12, 2015, 08:55:05 AM

We could play 343 or a variation there of. If your defence is quick, and Okore and Richards are if nothing, rapid, then that covers a multitude of positional sins.

I think villa gave a pretty good account of how to play against that system against Liverpool in the FA cup semi. Not for me (as a regular system). There's only one team who regularly played three at the back last year and they went down. Liverpool, QPR and Man U all ditched it.

Would have big misgivings if that's TS's plan. Not that I think there's much evidence it is

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 12, 2015, 09:44:13 AM

On transfers, it really does seem that cabaye is making come and get me eyes to premier league teams and he's not being linked with the top sides - which shows how short term football can be.

I would 100% have him at villa. I wonder if randy would sanction a loan with a view to buying once new owners are in place (though clearly he couldn't commit to the latter part). I can't believe cabaye wants to play for palace even with the pardew connection.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on June 12, 2015, 10:18:51 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on June 12, 2015, 09:44:13 AM

On transfers, it really does seem that cabaye is making come and get me eyes to premier league teams and he's not being linked with the top sides - which shows how short term football can be.

I would 100% have him at villa. I wonder if randy would sanction a loan with a view to buying once new owners are in place (though clearly he couldn't commit to the latter part). I can't believe cabaye wants to play for palace even with the pardew connection.

If we've seemingly given Richards 65k a week, I would hope we'd be willing to offer Cabeye a good wage. He'll undoubtedly have to take a drop in wages to get back to this league. He'd be a quality signing. Possibly a bit beyond us at this time though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 12, 2015, 11:38:14 AM

Richards and Cabeye would be so much of a step up from the last 3 seasons of windows I am not sure I could cope. Any signing not needing a good YouTube compilation just to see who they are is miraculous.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 12, 2015, 01:47:55 PM

Cabeye would be great, but don't see any chance of that.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on June 12, 2015, 03:27:16 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 12, 2015, 01:47:55 PM

Cabeye would be great, but don't see any chance of that.

Had no idea he was going on 30!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on June 12, 2015, 03:37:11 PM

Quote from: villadelph on June 12, 2015, 03:27:16 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 12, 2015, 01:47:55 PM

Cabeye would be great, but don't see any chance of that.

Had no idea he was going on 30!

If we ever got him, I suspect he'd be 34, having had a couple of years blighted by injuries and ever failing legs.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SamTheMouse on June 12, 2015, 04:35:51 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 12, 2015, 08:23:46 AM

"Tottenham centre-back Younes Kaboul, 29, is surplus to requirements at White Hart Lane - but Spurs want £5m to let him go. (Guardian) "

From today's Gossip Column. Would be a decent replacement for Vlaar, in my opinion.

God no. He's absolutely dire.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on June 12, 2015, 05:57:10 PM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 12, 2015, 04:35:51 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 12, 2015, 08:23:46 AM

"Tottenham centre-back Younes Kaboul, 29, is surplus to requirements at White Hart Lane - but Spurs want £5m to let him go. (Guardian) "

From today's Gossip Column. Would be a decent replacement for Vlaar, in my opinion.

God no. He's absolutely dire.

Agree.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on June 12, 2015, 06:12:24 PM

Am I correct in saying that he turned us down in favour of Spurs when he was looking to move from Portsmouth?  I really can't remember.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 12, 2015, 06:23:44 PM

Quote from: dave shelley on June 12, 2015, 06:12:24 PM

Am I correct in saying that he turned us down in favour of Spurs when he was looking to move from Portsmouth?  I really can't remember.

That might have been under O'leary.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 12, 2015, 07:10:12 PM

Meaning Evil are reporting Cissokho wants away.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 12, 2015, 07:50:57 PM

Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on June 12, 2015, 07:10:12 PM

Meaning Evil are reporting Cissokho wants away.

He'd be a good player if he could pass or cross the ball

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 12, 2015, 08:35:36 PM

Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on June 12, 2015, 07:10:12 PM

Meaning Evil are reporting Cissokho wants away.

I've just read that. There were no quotes or anything. It was like something you'd read in the Daily Star.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 12, 2015, 10:05:25 PM

I'm sure Tish won't lose any sleep over Sissikho wanting out.  What a crap signing.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 12, 2015, 10:32:33 PM

Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on June 12, 2015, 07:10:12 PM

Meaning Evil are reporting Cissokho wants away.

If we could get a few million for him, we'll have done well really.  A solid defender, but at a time when full-backs are judged as much on their ability going forward, we need better.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 12, 2015, 10:49:23 PM

Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on June 12, 2015, 07:10:12 PM

Meaning Evil are reporting Cissokho wants away.

I will personally drive him anywhere. Turkey, Mansfield , I really don't mind.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villan from luton on June 12, 2015, 10:50:31 PM

Cant understand Spuds after Trippier when they have Kyle Walker and that American right back Yellion? He looks a top prospect from the little I have seen from him

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 12, 2015, 11:12:03 PM

Yedlin? Does look a very decent young right back, and Walker is a good player.

Kaboul played and captained under Sherwood I think, so be afraid!

The article on Cissokho suggests we paid 3.5 million, when I am sure we paid about half that when reported last summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villan from luton on June 12, 2015, 11:19:38 PM

Yes Ozzyjim, Yedlin, looks a good prospect and I know Walker has had injury problems but he is a good player. I think Trippier would be a little wary going there after his experiences at Man City. Think Liverpool is a more likely option for him, but would love him at VP

Kaboul, please god no. Never seen anything in him at all wherever he has played.

 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 12, 2015, 11:23:40 PM

Agreed on Kaboul. Just not a good defender at all.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 12, 2015, 11:24:02 PM

Chelsea and Spurs have figured out that if the dominate the world's supply of footballers that nobody else will be able to win anything.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villan from luton on June 12, 2015, 11:29:18 PM

Well Spurs don't do a very good job of it OCD cos they win f**k all as well, thankfully :)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 12, 2015, 11:34:57 PM

Spurs probably know they could make money on him as his release clause is only 3.5m apparently.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villan from luton on June 12, 2015, 11:38:09 PM

That may be the case, but cant imagine a player who has said how frustrating it was at Man City would get involved in anything like that

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on June 13, 2015, 12:31:51 AM

There was an interview with one of the owners/representatives of Man City on SSN the other day suggesting that they will be very busy bringing in new players this summer. He also claimed that players only used to go there for the high wages but apparently they now just want to play for City regardless of wages...I don't buy that bit at all, but if they are making wholesale changes then they are going to have to let players go too. There could be some decent players becoming available if they are realistic in their "no longer at Cit£h" status and want to actually play football rather than sit on the sidelines.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villan from luton on June 13, 2015, 12:43:33 AM

KRS, money talks with a lot of footballers, we have Sinclair who tbh should never have gone to City and hopefully Richards. They wont let British talent go and cannot see anyone else joining us tbh

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on June 13, 2015, 01:48:54 AM

Quote from: villan from luton on June 13, 2015, 12:43:33 AM

KRS, money talks with a lot of footballers, we have Sinclair who tbh should never have gone to City and hopefully Richards. They wont let British talent go and cannot see anyone else joining us tbh

Guidetti on loan?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on June 13, 2015, 02:07:32 AM

Guidetti is a free agent, so we could get him for nothing.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 13, 2015, 03:34:40 AM

Quote from: Tokyo Sexwhale on June 13, 2015, 02:07:32 AM

Guidetti is a free agent, so we could get him for nothing.

you mean the fat bloke who used to have loads of potential?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on June 13, 2015, 04:21:13 AM

Quote from: villan from luton on June 13, 2015, 12:43:33 AM

KRS, money talks with a lot of footballers, we have Sinclair who tbh should never have gone to City and hopefully Richards. They wont let British talent go and cannot see anyone else joining us tbh

Yeah unfortunately that is true, but it may turn out that if some of them don't lower their overinflated salary expectations then they may not get moves elsewhere and won't be playing for a while...subsidised salary loan moves may be the only option in most cases.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on June 13, 2015, 07:27:44 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 13, 2015, 03:34:40 AM

Quote from: Tokyo Sexwhale on June 13, 2015, 02:07:32 AM

Guidetti is a free agent, so we could get him for nothing.

you mean the fat bloke who used to have loads of potential?

Thought you were talking about me for a minute

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 13, 2015, 08:15:01 AM

Wasn't guidetti average in Scotland? No thanks

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on June 13, 2015, 08:34:40 AM

Quote from: john e on June 13, 2015, 07:27:44 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 13, 2015, 03:34:40 AM

Quote from: Tokyo Sexwhale on June 13, 2015, 02:07:32 AM

Guidetti is a free agent, so we could get him for nothing.

you mean the fat bloke who used to have loads of potential?

Thought you were talking about me for a minute

You still have loads of ...........

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dekko on June 13, 2015, 09:00:47 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on June 13, 2015, 08:15:01 AM

Wasn't guidetti average in Scotland? No thanks

Yes.

He also went on loan to Stoke for a while, couldn't get in the team and threw a wobbler over it.

No from me

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Nastylee on June 13, 2015, 09:09:03 AM

Quote from: dekko on June 13, 2015, 09:00:47 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on June 13, 2015, 08:15:01 AM

Wasn't guidetti average in Scotland? No thanks

Yes.

He also went on loan to Stoke for a while, couldn't get in the team and threw a wobbler over it.

No from me

Apparently, he was fantastic on a computer game and that's good enough for some.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 13, 2015, 09:19:45 AM

Tim's going to replace Benteke with Drogba :|

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 13, 2015, 10:08:06 AM

So much work to do its overwhelming. Only burnley scored fewer goals than us last season and only qpr and Newcastle conceded more. It really was a sorry state of affairs .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on June 13, 2015, 10:08:39 AM

Quote from: N'ZMAV on June 13, 2015, 09:19:45 AM

Tim's going to replace Benteke with Drogba :|

Benteke is going nowhere judging from his performance last night.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Damo70 on June 13, 2015, 10:12:38 AM

Quote from: OCD on June 12, 2015, 11:24:02 PM

Chelsea and Spurs have figured out that if the dominate the world's supply of footballers that nobody else will be able to win anything.

To be fair Barry Fry won a double for Small Heath by doing that. Admittedly that double was the Sherpa Van Autoglass Windscreens Daf(t) Trophy and whatever the third division was called that year to make it sound a bit more glamorous than the third division.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: gervilla on June 13, 2015, 11:40:00 AM

My sources ;-) tell me we have inquired about Kyle Walker .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 13, 2015, 12:04:13 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on June 13, 2015, 10:08:39 AM

Quote from: N'ZMAV on June 13, 2015, 09:19:45 AM

Tim's going to replace Benteke with Drogba :|

Benteke is going nowhere judging from his performance last night.

I spoke of drogba before and great to see others see him as a class talent still Have you considered  Benteke performance may be affected with his imminent decision on if he's staying or going. I hardly think people scout him on yesterday match alone!! Clubs do there work on players and he wont be judged just on that one match .


Now on to Sherwood forest new look team

Get willy caballero on loan from man city in GK as he doesn't get game time.
Glenn Johnson,
Evans
Clark
Richards
Nzonzi or Cambiasso or Huddleston
Delph
Osman/Nolan/Cabaye/ Sigurdson/pienaar
Grealish
Scott Sinclair
Matt phillips
Benteke (Drogba)

Also bring in likes of Bamford, Tom Carroll, James Wilson loan and sign championship talents Hendrick and Hughes, Friend, Tom ince , tyrone mings, vigen Christensen , Lewis dunk.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 13, 2015, 12:06:24 PM

Quote from: gervilla on June 13, 2015, 11:40:00 AM

My sources ;-) tell me we have inquired about Kyle Walker .

Maybe Sherwood wants to have another go at his "Kyle Walker as attacking midfielder" experiment from his time as Spurs.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 13, 2015, 12:08:20 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 13, 2015, 12:04:13 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on June 13, 2015, 10:08:39 AM

Quote from: N'ZMAV on June 13, 2015, 09:19:45 AM

Tim's going to replace Benteke with Drogba :|

Benteke is going nowhere judging from his performance last night.

I spoke of drogba before and great to see others see him as a class talent still Have you considered  Benteke performance may be affected with his imminent decision on if he's staying or going. I hardly think people scout him on yesterday match alone!! Clubs do there work on players and he wont be judged just on that one match .


Now on to Sherwood forest new look team

Get willy caballero on loan from man city in GK as he doesn't get game time.
Glenn Johnson,
Evans
Clark
Richards
Nzonzi or Cambiasso or Huddleston
Delph
Osman/Nolan/Cabaye/ Sigurdson/pienaar
Grealish
Scott Sinclair
Matt phillips
Benteke (Drogba)

Also bring in likes of Bamford, Tom Carroll, James Wilson loan and sign championship talents Hendrick and Hughes, Friend, Tom ince , tyrone mings, vigen Christensen , Lewis dunk.

How many of those names did you pick out of a hat?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 13, 2015, 12:14:42 PM

I'd be delighted with Kyle walker but doubt spuds will let him go

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 13, 2015, 12:15:26 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 13, 2015, 12:08:20 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 13, 2015, 12:04:13 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on June 13, 2015, 10:08:39 AM

Quote from: N'ZMAV on June 13, 2015, 09:19:45 AM

Tim's going to replace Benteke with Drogba :|

Benteke is going nowhere judging from his performance last night.

I spoke of drogba before and great to see others see him as a class talent still Have you considered  Benteke performance may be affected with his imminent decision on if he's staying or going. I hardly think people scout him on yesterday match alone!! Clubs do there work on players and he wont be judged just on that one match .


Now on to Sherwood forest new look team

Get willy caballero on loan from man city in GK as he doesn't get game time.
Glenn Johnson,
Evans
Clark
Richards
Nzonzi or Cambiasso or Huddleston
Delph
Osman/Nolan/Cabaye/ Sigurdson/pienaar
Grealish
Scott Sinclair
Matt phillips
Benteke (Drogba)

Also bring in likes of Bamford, Tom Carroll, James Wilson loan and sign championship talents Hendrick and Hughes, Friend, Tom ince , tyrone mings, vigen Christensen , Lewis dunk.

How many of those names did you pick out of a hat?

I'll call you out !!!!! And like Sherwood style challenge you ! Why don't you and in fact others name a 11 or so and see how it would compare !! I m not afraid to state my team lets see other peoples potential !!  And then see how accurate we are come the end of window!!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 13, 2015, 12:19:20 PM

You might not be afraid to state your team. We're all petrified as to what it will be.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 13, 2015, 12:25:25 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 13, 2015, 12:15:26 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 13, 2015, 12:08:20 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 13, 2015, 12:04:13 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on June 13, 2015, 10:08:39 AM

Quote from: N'ZMAV on June 13, 2015, 09:19:45 AM

Tim's going to replace Benteke with Drogba :|

Benteke is going nowhere judging from his performance last night.

I spoke of drogba before and great to see others see him as a class talent still Have you considered  Benteke performance may be affected with his imminent decision on if he's staying or going. I hardly think people scout him on yesterday match alone!! Clubs do there work on players and he wont be judged just on that one match .


Now on to Sherwood forest new look team

Get willy caballero on loan from man city in GK as he doesn't get game time.
Glenn Johnson,
Evans
Clark
Richards
Nzonzi or Cambiasso or Huddleston
Delph
Osman/Nolan/Cabaye/ Sigurdson/pienaar
Grealish
Scott Sinclair
Matt phillips
Benteke (Drogba)

Also bring in likes of Bamford, Tom Carroll, James Wilson loan and sign championship talents Hendrick and Hughes, Friend, Tom ince , tyrone mings, vigen Christensen , Lewis dunk.

How many of those names did you pick out of a hat?

I'll call you out !!!!! And like Sherwood style challenge you ! Why don't you and in fact others name a 11 or so and see how it would compare !! I m not afraid to state my team lets see other peoples potential !!  And then see how accurate we are come the end of window!!

You've named 27 players in your post. Anyone can bloody do that. Not everyone would pick Johnny Evans.

Quote from: footyskillz on June 13, 2015, 12:15:26 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 13, 2015, 12:08:20 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 13, 2015, 12:04:13 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on June 13, 2015, 10:08:39 AM

Quote from: N'ZMAV on June 13, 2015, 09:19:45 AM

Tim's going to replace Benteke with Drogba :|

Benteke is going nowhere judging from his performance last night.

I spoke of drogba before and great to see others see him as a class talent still Have you considered  Benteke performance may be affected with his imminent decision on if he's staying or going. I hardly think people scout him on yesterday match alone!! Clubs do there work on players and he wont be judged just on that one match .


Now on to Sherwood forest new look team

Get willy caballero on loan from man city in GK as he doesn't get game time.
Glenn Johnson,
Evans
Clark
Richards
Nzonzi or Cambiasso or Huddleston
Delph
Osman/Nolan/Cabaye/ Sigurdson/pienaar
Grealish
Scott Sinclair
Matt phillips
Benteke (Drogba)

Also bring in likes of Bamford, Tom Carroll, James Wilson loan and sign championship talents Hendrick and Hughes, Friend, Tom ince , tyrone mings, vigen Christensen , Lewis dunk.

How many of those names did you pick out of a hat?

I'll call you out !!!!! And like Sherwood style challenge you ! Why don't you and in fact others name a 11 or so and see how it would compare !! I m not afraid to state my team lets see other peoples potential !!  And then see how accurate we are come the end of window!!

You haven't named  'an 11 or so', you've named bleeding 27.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Legion on June 13, 2015, 12:28:53 PM

So that's around £100M transfer budget?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 13, 2015, 12:29:34 PM

Quote from: Legion on June 13, 2015, 12:28:53 PM

So that's around £100M transfer budget?

In fairness, Johnny Evans wouldn't cost much.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Legion on June 13, 2015, 12:30:45 PM

Who is Lewis Dunk?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 13, 2015, 12:33:37 PM

Quote from: Legion on June 13, 2015, 12:30:45 PM

Who is Lewis Dunk?

Some name Footyskillz picked out of a hat.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 13, 2015, 12:34:18 PM

Quote from: Legion on June 13, 2015, 12:30:45 PM

Who is Lewis Dunk?

Some name Footyskillz picked out of a hat. No, I have heard of him. Who he plays for, i've no idea.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 13, 2015, 12:34:54 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 13, 2015, 12:25:25 PM

You haven't named  'an 11 or so', you've named bleeding 27.

It's impressive that there are 27 players listed and it would still be difficult to put together a half-decent starting eleven from them.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 13, 2015, 12:36:47 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 13, 2015, 12:15:26 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 13, 2015, 12:08:20 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 13, 2015, 12:04:13 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on June 13, 2015, 10:08:39 AM

Quote from: N'ZMAV on June 13, 2015, 09:19:45 AM

Tim's going to replace Benteke with Drogba :|

Benteke is going nowhere judging from his performance last night.

I spoke of drogba before and great to see others see him as a class talent still Have you considered  Benteke performance may be affected with his imminent decision on if he's staying or going. I hardly think people scout him on yesterday match alone!! Clubs do there work on players and he wont be judged just on that one match .


Now on to Sherwood forest new look team

Get willy caballero on loan from man city in GK as he doesn't get game time.
Glenn Johnson,
Evans
Clark
Richards
Nzonzi or Cambiasso or Huddleston
Delph
Osman/Nolan/Cabaye/ Sigurdson/pienaar
Grealish
Scott Sinclair
Matt phillips
Benteke (Drogba)

Also bring in likes of Bamford, Tom Carroll, James Wilson loan and sign championship talents Hendrick and Hughes, Friend, Tom ince , tyrone mings, vigen Christensen , Lewis dunk.

How many of those names did you pick out of a hat?

I'll call you out !!!!! And like Sherwood style challenge you ! Why don't you and in fact others name a 11 or so and see how it would compare !! I m not afraid to state my team lets see other peoples potential !!  And then see how accurate we are come the end of window!!

He may be able to name another 11 but he'll never touch you on the exclamation mark count

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on June 13, 2015, 12:58:07 PM

Isn't Lewis Dunk some relation of Peking Dick?   ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 13, 2015, 01:58:12 PM

Typical quick to criticize but no one prepared to offer out an 11 or so  ,13 ,  no just you clampy.

Haters gonna hate. I don't mind if people are prepared to suggest but instead mock others isn't very cool. At least I can name players and those others I mentioned are because I'm aware of them!!

Here's 11 then.
Caberllero
Johnson
Evans
Richards
Clark
Sinclair
Nzonzi
Cabaye
Grealish
Delph
Benteke or Drogba or Wilson !

Beat that ! Jus interesting to hear what others who put up but you have to have the knowledge and where with all. Anyone can criticize at least I took responsibility

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 13, 2015, 02:03:01 PM

Yes Drogba is going to finish his outstanding playing career aiming to finish 9th in the PL. And we are going to pay him 175 grand a week to help us hit those lofty heights.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 13, 2015, 02:05:13 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 13, 2015, 02:03:01 PM

Yes Drogba is going to finish his outstanding playing career aiming to finish 9th in the PL. And we are going to pay him 175 grand a week to help us hit those lofty heights.

Cambiasso went to Leicester.
Any chance you could name 11 ?? Or 13 ??

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: nigel on June 13, 2015, 02:05:57 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 13, 2015, 01:58:12 PM

Typical quick to criticize but no one prepared to offer out an 11 or so  ,13 ,  no just you clampy.

Haters gonna hate. I don't mind if people are prepared to suggest but instead mock others isn't very cool. At least I can name players and those others I mentioned are because I'm aware of them!!

Here's 11 then.
Caberllero
Johnson
Evans
Richards
Clark
Sinclair
Nzonzi
Cabaye
Grealish
Delph
Benteke or Drogba or Wilson !

Beat that ! Jus interesting to hear what others who put up but you have to have the knowledge and where with all. Anyone can criticize at least I took responsibility

What formation would that lot take?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 13, 2015, 02:09:26 PM

Quote from: nigel on June 13, 2015, 02:05:57 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 13, 2015, 01:58:12 PM

Typical quick to criticize but no one prepared to offer out an 11 or so  ,13 ,  no just you clampy.

Haters gonna hate. I don't mind if people are prepared to suggest but instead mock others isn't very cool. At least I can name players and those others I mentioned are because I'm aware of them!!

Here's 11 then.
Caberllero
Johnson
Evans
Richards
Clark
Sinclair
Nzonzi
Cabaye
Grealish
Delph
Benteke or Drogba or Wilson !

Beat that ! Jus interesting to hear what others who put up but you have to have the knowledge and where with all. Anyone can criticize at least I took responsibility

What formation would that lot take?

Name your 11 first

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 13, 2015, 02:17:46 PM

I don't see the point in naming an 11 with players who we haven't even signed and or not likely to sign either. It's a bit pointless.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 13, 2015, 02:55:04 PM

Hardy
Spencer
God
Barson
Cummings

Cowans
Blanchflower
Devey

Walker
Waring
McParland

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 13, 2015, 03:01:09 PM

OK. I understand. I offer suggestions as well as discussion on transfer rumours and speculation . I get it some prefer to discuss already speculated rumours from media . I hope you can be open to understand that it's OK to freely post own suggestions as it is to talk on rumours written in social media and, media. At this point i like to point out that agents leak players names to various outlets to get best deal for them and players. I come with no agenda other than seeing fit for purpose players coming to Villa unlike the rumours heard for many a player.
Now let's just move on.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 13, 2015, 03:04:10 PM

Morse, rebus, frost, Bergerac, banks, Sherlock, taggert, gently, Lewis, pascoe and tennison.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 13, 2015, 03:04:24 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 13, 2015, 02:55:04 PM

Hardy
Spencer
God
Barson
Cummings

Cowans
Blanchflower
Devey

Walker
Waring
McParland

I'd suggest little change other than fitting Brian in

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ldavfc4eva on June 13, 2015, 03:18:45 PM

I will name a sensible 11 based on current squad and a few possible signings then.

Guzan

Richardson (but we need a better 1st choice LB)
Clark
Okore
Richards

Delph
Westwood
Cabaye (maybe dreaming but can hope)

Grealish
Sinclair
Benteke

Would like to see us put an offer in for song as a deep lying centre midfield player, also look at trippier from burnley, be a good swap for Lowton. Not sure left back wise but we need a new one and also a couple of midfielders and a new striker if not two.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on June 13, 2015, 03:31:18 PM

------------------------------Karol Jozef Wojtyła------------------------------
Mick Mills-------------Bertie Wooster----Inzamam ul Haq-----Nye Bevan
---------------------------------William F Buckley-------------------------------
Levi Roots---------------------------------------------------------Maxim Gorky
-----------------------------------Nelson Algren----------------------------------
------------------------Charles Manson-----Roy Castle------------------------

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 13, 2015, 03:39:01 PM

Quote from: KevinGage on June 13, 2015, 03:31:18 PM

------------------------------Karol Jozef Wojtyła------------------------------
Mick Mills-------------Bertie Wooster----Inzamam ul Haq-----Nye Bevan
---------------------------------William F Buckley-------------------------------
Levi Roots---------------------------------------------------------Maxim Gorky
-----------------------------------Nelson Algren----------------------------------
------------------------Charles Manson-----Roy Castle------------------------

You put Gorky out wide, are you nuts?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on June 13, 2015, 03:51:19 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 13, 2015, 02:55:04 PM

Hardy
Spencer
God
Barson
Cummings

Cowans
Blanchflower
Devey

Walker
Waring
McParland

It is impossible to improve on that defence. Five totally remarkable players!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frank black on June 13, 2015, 03:54:21 PM

Quote from: TheMalandro on June 13, 2015, 03:39:01 PM

Quote from: KevinGage on June 13, 2015, 03:31:18 PM

------------------------------Karol Jozef Wojtyła------------------------------
Mick Mills-------------Bertie Wooster----Inzamam ul Haq-----Nye Bevan
---------------------------------William F Buckley-------------------------------
Levi Roots---------------------------------------------------------Maxim Gorky
-----------------------------------Nelson Algren----------------------------------
------------------------Charles Manson-----Roy Castle------------------------

You put Gorky out wide, are you nuts?

I would expect him to do a great job on the left wing.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frank black on June 13, 2015, 03:55:44 PM

And Roy Castle should play as a lone striker, he has the dedication for that role.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 13, 2015, 04:58:34 PM

Quote from: frank black on June 13, 2015, 03:55:44 PM

And Roy Castle should play as a lone striker, he has the dedication for that role.

We've only just got rid of one record breaker.

I hope he's better at positive records.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on June 13, 2015, 05:09:00 PM

Quote from: KRS on June 13, 2015, 12:31:51 AM

There was an interview with one of the owners/representatives of Man City on SSN the other day suggesting that they will be very busy bringing in new players this summer. He also claimed that players only used to go there for the high wages but apparently they now just want to play for City regardless of wages...I don't buy that bit at all, but if they are making wholesale changes then they are going to have to let players go too. There could be some decent players becoming available if they are realistic in their "no longer at Cit£h" status and want to actually play football rather than sit on the sidelines.

Well so much for players wanting to just play for Cit£h now and not waving a fat wedge in their face...rumours that they are reportedly offering to pay £60m for Pogba and pay £225k per week to make the move from Juve instead of going to Barca or Chelsea.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 13, 2015, 06:27:41 PM

The Daily Mail seem to think that Arsenal are going to pay £11m for Petr Cech. Surely not, he's 33.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: spangley1812 on June 13, 2015, 06:31:26 PM

Robbie Brady from Hull as a left back

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on June 13, 2015, 06:36:24 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 13, 2015, 03:01:09 PM

OK. I understand. I offer suggestions as well as discussion on transfer rumours and speculation . I get it some prefer to discuss already speculated rumours from media . I hope you can be open to understand that it's OK to freely post own suggestions as it is to talk on rumours written in social media and, media. At this point i like to point out that agents leak players names to various outlets to get best deal for them and players. I come with no agenda other than seeing fit for purpose players coming to Villa unlike the rumours heard for many a player.
Now let's just move on.

I think people will appreciate you more when you are dead!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on June 13, 2015, 06:38:27 PM

Quote from: KevinGage on June 13, 2015, 03:31:18 PM

------------------------------Karol Jozef Wojtyła------------------------------
Mick Mills-------------Bertie Wooster----Inzamam ul Haq-----Nye Bevan
---------------------------------William F Buckley-------------------------------
Levi Roots---------------------------------------------------------Maxim Gorky
-----------------------------------Nelson Algren----------------------------------
------------------------Charles Manson-----Roy Castle------------------------

If you can make room for Phil Taylor, good target man, than we have an awesome team here.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 13, 2015, 06:38:50 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 13, 2015, 06:27:41 PM

The Daily Mail seem to think that Arsenal are going to pay £11m for Petr Cech. Surely not, he's 33.

I'd say that's far better value than paying £5m for a 35 year old Shay Given.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on June 13, 2015, 06:39:53 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 13, 2015, 06:27:41 PM

The Daily Mail seem to think that Arsenal are going to pay £11m for Petr Cech. Surely not, he's 33.

No way £33 Million.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Legion on June 13, 2015, 06:40:36 PM

Years old, I hope.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 13, 2015, 06:42:11 PM

Quote from: Dave on June 13, 2015, 06:38:50 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 13, 2015, 06:27:41 PM

The Daily Mail seem to think that Arsenal are going to pay £11m for Petr Cech. Surely not, he's 33.

I'd say that's far better value than paying £5m for a 35 year old Shay Given.
[/quote

Quote from: Dave on June 13, 2015, 06:38:50 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 13, 2015, 06:27:41 PM

The Daily Mail seem to think that Arsenal are going to pay £11m for Petr Cech. Surely not, he's 33.

I'd say that's far better value than paying £5m for a 35 year old Shay Given.

Wasn't he a free transfer? I can't remember.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 13, 2015, 06:54:45 PM

Nice quote fail Clampy  ;D

Fee is reported as £3.5M - £5M depending on which source you believe.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 13, 2015, 06:56:42 PM

Quote from: olaftab on June 13, 2015, 06:36:24 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 13, 2015, 03:01:09 PM

OK. I understand. I offer suggestions as well as discussion on transfer rumours and speculation . I get it some prefer to discuss already speculated rumours from media . I hope you can be open to understand that it's OK to freely post own suggestions as it is to talk on rumours written in social media and, media. At this point i like to point out that agents leak players names to various outlets to get best deal for them and players. I come with no agenda other than seeing fit for purpose players coming to Villa unlike the rumours heard for many a player.
Now let's just move on.

I think people will appreciate you more when you are dead!

Not really any need for that.

I like Footyskillz's contributions.

Keep 'em coming.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: adrenachrome on June 13, 2015, 07:06:04 PM

Quote from: TheMalandro on June 13, 2015, 03:04:10 PM

Morse, rebus, frost, Bergerac, banks, Sherlock, taggert, gently, Lewis, pascoe and tennison.

Tennison in the hole with Gently in behind?

(http://media.balls.ie/uploads/2014/01/york.gif)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ronshirt on June 13, 2015, 07:16:32 PM

Shaft in the hole surely?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Louzie0 on June 13, 2015, 07:21:52 PM

Quote from: olaftab on June 13, 2015, 06:36:24 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 13, 2015, 03:01:09 PM

OK. I understand. I offer suggestions as well as discussion on transfer rumours and speculation . I get it some prefer to discuss already speculated rumours from media . I hope you can be open to understand that it's OK to freely post own suggestions as it is to talk on rumours written in social media and, media. At this point i like to point out that agents leak players names to various outlets to get best deal for them and players. I come with no agenda other than seeing fit for purpose players coming to Villa unlike the rumours heard for many a player.
Now let's just move on.

I think people will appreciate you more when you are dead!

I'm one who appreciates footyskillz right now. Carry on, move on and freely post whatever you like, sunbeam  :)

UTV!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 13, 2015, 07:27:31 PM

Quote from: TheMalandro on June 13, 2015, 03:04:10 PM

Morse, rebus, frost, Bergerac, banks, Sherlock, taggert, gently, Lewis, pascoe and tennison.

With a squad like that it must surely be George Cowley as manager?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Legion on June 13, 2015, 07:32:35 PM

Superman
Batman
Spiderman
Captain America
Iron Man
Hulk
Godzilla
Wolverine
Thor
Robin
Mr Incredible

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve R on June 13, 2015, 07:47:43 PM

Quote from: olaftab on June 13, 2015, 06:36:24 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 13, 2015, 03:01:09 PM

OK. I understand. I offer suggestions as well as discussion on transfer rumours and speculation . I get it some prefer to discuss already speculated rumours from media . I hope you can be open to understand that it's OK to freely post own suggestions as it is to talk on rumours written in social media and, media. At this point i like to point out that agents leak players names to various outlets to get best deal for them and players. I come with no agenda other than seeing fit for purpose players coming to Villa unlike the rumours heard for many a player.
Now let's just move on.

I think people will appreciate you more when you are dead!

I am sure you didn't mean that quite the way it reads, but it does not read very well at all.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on June 13, 2015, 07:50:22 PM

Quote from: Legion on June 13, 2015, 07:32:35 PM

Superman
Batman
Spiderman
Captain America
Iron Man
Hulk
Godzilla
Wolverine
Thor
Robin
Mr Incredible

With Thor in the Joe Cole role, obviously!



;-)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 13, 2015, 07:50:44 PM

Quote from: Legion on June 13, 2015, 07:32:35 PM

Superman
Batman
Spiderman
Captain America
Iron Man
Hulk
Godzilla
Wolverine
Thor
Robin
Mr Incredible

Surely Spiderman should be in goal?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Legion on June 13, 2015, 08:03:58 PM

Hulk Hogan
Bret Hart
Mankind
Razor Ramon
Sting
The British Bulldog
Brian Pillman
Goldust
Kevin Nash
Goldberg
The Undertaker

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Axl Rose on June 13, 2015, 08:04:31 PM

Quote from: olaftab on June 13, 2015, 06:36:24 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 13, 2015, 03:01:09 PM

OK. I understand. I offer suggestions as well as discussion on transfer rumours and speculation . I get it some prefer to discuss already speculated rumours from media . I hope you can be open to understand that it's OK to freely post own suggestions as it is to talk on rumours written in social media and, media. At this point i like to point out that agents leak players names to various outlets to get best deal for them and players. I come with no agenda other than seeing fit for purpose players coming to Villa unlike the rumours heard for many a player.
Now let's just move on.

I think people will appreciate you more when you are dead!

Hahaha. Aftab! Hilarity!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villalion on June 13, 2015, 08:20:45 PM

Another thread rapidly descending into lunacy.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Legion on June 13, 2015, 08:22:23 PM

GK
RB
CB
CB
LB
RM
CM
CM
LM
ST
ST

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 13, 2015, 08:23:11 PM

It's the H&V way.

When we start taking it seriously is when you should start worrying.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: garyshawsknee on June 13, 2015, 08:26:45 PM

Quote from: Legion on June 13, 2015, 08:03:58 PM

Hulk Hogan
Bret Hart
Mankind
Razor Ramon
Sting
The British Bulldog
Brian Pillman
Goldust
Kevin Nash
Goldberg
The Undertaker

Is The Crush on the bench ?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on June 13, 2015, 08:34:30 PM

Quote from: Legion on June 13, 2015, 08:22:23 PM

GK
RB
CB
CB
LB
RM
CM
CM
LM
ST
ST

It'll never catch on, Leeg!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on June 13, 2015, 09:37:42 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 13, 2015, 01:58:12 PM

Typical quick to criticize but no one prepared to offer out an 11 or so  ,13 ,  no just you clampy.

Haters gonna hate. I don't mind if people are prepared to suggest but instead mock others isn't very cool. At least I can name players and those others I mentioned are because I'm aware of them!!

Here's 11 then.
Caberllero
Johnson
Evans
Richards
Clark
Sinclair
Nzonzi
Cabaye
Grealish
Delph
Benteke or Drogba or Wilson !

Beat that ! Jus interesting to hear what others who put up but you have to have the knowledge and where with all. Anyone can criticize at least I took responsibility

Good effort pal, keep them coming

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on June 13, 2015, 10:03:21 PM

Quote from: Lastfootstamper on June 13, 2015, 07:50:44 PM

Quote from: Legion on June 13, 2015, 07:32:35 PM

Superman
Batman
Spiderman
Captain America
Iron Man
Hulk
Godzilla
Wolverine
Thor
Robin
Mr Incredible

Surely Spiderman should be in goal?

Yeah, I'd have Spider-man in goal, his spider-sense will tingle when there's danger, and he has the agility to get to the ball.

I'd also bring Flash in on the wing.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 13, 2015, 10:57:18 PM

GK - Delia Smith (Safe Pair of Hands)

RB - Hesten Blumentahl - Precocious talent but tends to over egg basic situations
CB - Gordon Ramsey - The ultimate no nonsense type, to sort out all the shit.
CB -  Ainsley Harriot - Not quite as good as he thinks he is, but does OK with someone telling him what to do.
LB -  Anthony Warrel Thompson - Tricky little customer, not bullied by bigger names and more than capable of stealing the ball away.

CM - Jamie Oliver - Every team needs a nasty c*** in the middle.
CM - Raymond Blanc - The European pizazz is still there, but has spread himself too thinly. Still worth a spot and if he can get back on his game could be world class again.
CM - Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall - Does all the donkey work and makes sure that all the ingredients are in place for others to shine. - n.b. not so good away from home.

No 10. Gary Rhodes - with that hair where else could he play?

CF - Richard Turner ) Everyone loves a home grown player, but when you get two world class players turn up at the same time you can only take advantage of it.
CF- Glynn Purnell    ) Both with their own individual styles, they're capable of slicing any defence to capaccio on their day.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 13, 2015, 11:02:42 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on June 13, 2015, 10:57:18 PM

GK - Delia Smith (Safe Pair of Hands)

RB - Hesten Blumentahl - Precocious talent but tends to over egg basic situations
CB - Gordon Ramsey - The ultimate no nonsense type, to sort out all the shit.
CB -  Ainsley Harriot - Not quite as good as he thinks he is, but does OK with someone telling him what to do.
LB -  Anthony Warrel Thompson - Tricky little customer, not bullied by bigger names and more than capable of stealing the ball away.

CM - Jamie Oliver - Every team needs a nasty c*** in the middle.
CM - Raymond Blanc - The European pizazz is still there, but has spread himself too thinly. Still worth a spot and if he can get back on his game could be world class again.
CM - Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall - Does all the donkey work and makes sure that all the ingredients are in place for others to shine. - n.b. not so good away from home.

No 10. Gary Rhodes - with that hair where else could he play?

CF - Richard Turner ) Everyone loves a home grown player, but when you get two world class players turn up at the same time you can only take advantage of it.
CF- Glynn Purnell    ) Both with their own individual styles, they're capable of slicing any defence to capaccio on their day.

I'd have Nigella on the bench

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Bad English on June 13, 2015, 11:11:39 PM

I'll go with:

Bhuna
Karahi Jalfrezi Madras Korma
Balti Phal Pasanda Patia
Dopiaza Saag

Bench: Dhal Murgh Rogan-Josh Vindaloo McMassaman

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: warleyboy on June 14, 2015, 12:06:04 AM

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfers-jamie-vardy-5878436

What do we think, any chance the mirror are making up bullshit stories again.
If we are looking at a 15 mil striker which is unlikely, surely Austin would make better sense with more goals and at a younger age.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aev on June 14, 2015, 12:10:07 AM

5 premiership goals. £15m.

Good grief I would sincerely hope not.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on June 14, 2015, 12:20:50 AM

28 years old too. so it's not as if there is a huge room for improvement.

Wouldn't be stunned if it was his agent banding our name about to get a pay rise at Leicester.

Recent England call up, interest from other clubs = pay my client £40k +

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 14, 2015, 01:02:01 AM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on June 13, 2015, 08:23:11 PM

It's the H&V way.

When we start taking it seriously is when you should start worrying.

True.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 14, 2015, 02:16:03 AM

Quote from: Axl Rose on June 13, 2015, 08:04:31 PM

Quote from: olaftab on June 13, 2015, 06:36:24 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 13, 2015, 03:01:09 PM

OK. I understand. I offer suggestions as well as discussion on transfer rumours and speculation . I get it some prefer to discuss already speculated rumours from media . I hope you can be open to understand that it's OK to freely post own suggestions as it is to talk on rumours written in social media and, media. At this point i like to point out that agents leak players names to various outlets to get best deal for them and players. I come with no agenda other than seeing fit for purpose players coming to Villa unlike the rumours heard for many a player.
Now let's just move on.

I think people will appreciate you more when you are dead!

Hahaha. Aftab! Hilarity!

I don't know what's more tragic the comment or the endorsing of i guess what you call humour..  but Anyway I can imagine you guys not understanding rumour of Vardy for 15 mil so its lucky I made that  example post!! Long live footyskillz. I ain't going anywhere for quite a while!!!!! Ha-ha hilarity indeed.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on June 14, 2015, 02:28:20 AM

Viva footyskillz!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 14, 2015, 02:37:19 AM

And I do take it too seriously and misunderstanding peoples banter as personal attacks  due to my oddness but for hilarity sake on the comedy 11s  going round  I just want to add the month python sketch of philosophers football match !!

Both 11 fielded were very strong !!  But the philosophers 11 was just awesome

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B6nI1v7mwwA

Cheers appreciating villa and hilarity till I die

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: richl on June 14, 2015, 02:41:11 AM

Footyskillz, I have been fairly hard on you in the past, sorry for that. You complete me. I think you should get a job in a football club for your scouting and budgeting ability. I also think you should become a moderator on here and manage your own thread.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 14, 2015, 03:35:47 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 14, 2015, 02:37:19 AM

And I do take it too seriously and misunderstanding peoples banter as personal attacks  due to my oddness but for hilarity sake on the comedy 11s  going round  I just want to add the month python sketch of philosophers football match !!

Both 11 fielded were very strong !!  But the philosophers 11 was just awesome

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B6nI1v7mwwA

Cheers appreciating villa and hilarity till I die

I think your player selections are a bit odd, but I am glad you will keep posting footyskillz. Cheers!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 14, 2015, 04:03:47 AM

£15 million for Weimann's English cousin? Nope.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Axl Rose on June 14, 2015, 07:27:02 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 14, 2015, 02:16:03 AM

Quote from: Axl Rose on June 13, 2015, 08:04:31 PM

Quote from: olaftab on June 13, 2015, 06:36:24 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 13, 2015, 03:01:09 PM

OK. I understand. I offer suggestions as well as discussion on transfer rumours and speculation . I get it some prefer to discuss already speculated rumours from media . I hope you can be open to understand that it's OK to freely post own suggestions as it is to talk on rumours written in social media and, media. At this point i like to point out that agents leak players names to various outlets to get best deal for them and players. I come with no agenda other than seeing fit for purpose players coming to Villa unlike the rumours heard for many a player.
Now let's just move on.

I think people will appreciate you more when you are dead!

Hahaha. Aftab! Hilarity!

I don't know what's more tragic the comment or the endorsing of i guess what you call humour..  but Anyway I can imagine you guys not understanding rumour of Vardy for 15 mil so its lucky I made that  example post!! Long live footyskillz. I ain't going anywhere for quite a while!!!!! Ha-ha hilarity indeed.

Tragic. Haha. Long live footyskillz, indeed..

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on June 14, 2015, 07:47:46 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 14, 2015, 02:16:03 AM

I don't know what's more tragic the comment or the endorsing of i guess what you call humour..  but Anyway I can imagine you guys not understanding rumour of Vardy for 15 mil so its lucky I made that  example post!! Long live footyskillz. I ain't going anywhere for quite a while!!!!! Ha-ha hilarity indeed.

If Vardy is £15M we should up Benteke to £60M.
Anyway greatness is never understood by mere mortals when it circles all around them. It only becomes obvious to future generations long after the purveyor has departed. Keep educating us footyskillz.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 14, 2015, 09:08:19 AM

players out? Wiemann to Derby, Sylla to Turkey, Clark to Albion, Lowton to Burnley, Gil to Spain and Sissokho told he can go. Are there any more?

Richards, Trippier and Chester, another left back, wouldn't be the worst defence. We definitely require two central midfielders and a forward.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 14, 2015, 09:12:11 AM

Quote from: Newby on June 14, 2015, 09:08:19 AM

players out? Wiemann to Derby, Sylla to Turkey, Clark to Albion, Lowton to Burnley, Gil to Spain and Sissokho told he can go. Are there any more?

Richards, Trippier and Chester, another left back, wouldn't be the worst defence. We definitely require two central midfielders and a forward.

I can't see Clark going to the Albion. I think Sherwood will want him to stick around.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: West Derby Villan on June 14, 2015, 09:20:41 AM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on June 13, 2015, 07:27:31 PM

Quote from: TheMalandro on June 13, 2015, 03:04:10 PM

Morse, rebus, frost, Bergerac, banks, Sherlock, taggert, gently, Lewis, pascoe and tennison.

With a squad like that it must surely be George Cowley as manager?

surely Jack Regan has to be in this team as the midfield hard an?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: West Derby Villan on June 14, 2015, 09:22:14 AM

Quote from: The Villan on June 14, 2015, 09:20:41 AM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on June 13, 2015, 07:27:31 PM

Quote from: TheMalandro on June 13, 2015, 03:04:10 PM

Morse, rebus, frost, Bergerac, banks, Sherlock, taggert, gently, Lewis, pascoe and tennison.

With a squad like that it must surely be George Cowley as manager?

surely Jack Regan has to be in this team as the midfield hard an?

man!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 14, 2015, 09:25:29 AM

Quote from: The Villan on June 14, 2015, 09:22:14 AM

Quote from: The Villan on June 14, 2015, 09:20:41 AM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on June 13, 2015, 07:27:31 PM

Quote from: TheMalandro on June 13, 2015, 03:04:10 PM

Morse, rebus, frost, Bergerac, banks, Sherlock, taggert, gently, Lewis, pascoe and tennison.

With a squad like that it must surely be George Cowley as manager?

surely Jack Regan has to be in this team as the midfield hard an?

man!

Get him in, that was a terrible oversight

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Doorbell on June 14, 2015, 09:50:39 AM

Gold member
Jaws (the shark)
Roy Batty
Hans Gruber
Blofeld
Count Dracula
Lord Voldemort
Darth Vader
Hannibal Lector
Loki
Hal 9000

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on June 14, 2015, 10:22:13 AM

JFK blown away, what more do I have to say?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 14, 2015, 10:33:46 AM

Mervyn King

Forrest Gump
Tracey Andrews
Fred West
Bobby Sands MP

Geezer Butler
Prince William
Benjamin Zephenia
David Cameron MP

Mrs Doyle
Amy Winehouse

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 14, 2015, 10:42:50 AM

Quote from: PeterWithe on June 14, 2015, 10:22:13 AM

JFK blown away, what more do I have to say?

Einstein, James Dean, Sherwood's got a winning team.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: steamer on June 14, 2015, 12:00:04 PM

According to the metro that nice mr Levy is considering offering us Townsend as a make weight for Benteke.
What a kind considerate man he is.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on June 14, 2015, 12:00:49 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 14, 2015, 10:33:46 AM

Mervyn King

Forrest Gump
Tracey Andrews
Fred West
Bobby Sands MP

Geezer Butler
Prince William
Benjamin Zephenia
David Cameron MP

Mrs Doyle
Amy Winehouse

"There was outrage at Birmingham City yesterday when after the Second City Derby it was discovered the away dressing room had been smothered in human excrement. Suspicion immediately turned upon Villa's firebrand full back Bobby Sands MP, although this was later thrown into question when Nicola Zigic surprisingly confessed. Upon discovering the scene, Gary Rowett had exclaimed "Who's shit on the floor?" to which Zigic replied "Me boss, but I'm good in the air"

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on June 14, 2015, 12:06:28 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 14, 2015, 10:33:46 AM

Mervyn King

Forrest Gump
Tracey Andrews
Fred West
Bobby Sands MP

Geezer Butler
Prince William
Benjamin Zephenia
David Cameron MP

Mrs Doyle
Amy Winehouse

Tracey Andrews isn't really a Villa fan is she?

I'd have David Bradley for midfield experience, and the virtuoso Nigel Kennedy up front.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Damo70 on June 14, 2015, 12:07:09 PM

Quote from: Tokyo Sexwhale on June 13, 2015, 10:03:21 PM

Quote from: Lastfootstamper on June 13, 2015, 07:50:44 PM

Quote from: Legion on June 13, 2015, 07:32:35 PM

Superman
Batman
Spiderman
Captain America
Iron Man
Hulk
Godzilla
Wolverine
Thor
Robin
Mr Incredible

Surely Spiderman should be in goal?

Yeah, I'd have Spider-man in goal, his spider-sense will tingle when there's danger, and he has the agility to get to the ball.

I'd also bring Flash in on the wing.

Every time Flash fluffed a chance we could shout "Flash  ah ah". Stick him in goal and we could sing "Flash ah ah, he'll save every one of them"!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Damo70 on June 14, 2015, 12:10:35 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 14, 2015, 10:42:50 AM

Quote from: PeterWithe on June 14, 2015, 10:22:13 AM

JFK blown away, what more do I have to say?

Einstein, James Dean, Sherwood's got a winning team.

Davy Crockett, Peter Pannu, Elvis Presley, Disneyland.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 14, 2015, 12:14:23 PM

Quote from: Damo70 on June 14, 2015, 12:10:35 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 14, 2015, 10:42:50 AM

Quote from: PeterWithe on June 14, 2015, 10:22:13 AM

JFK blown away, what more do I have to say?

Einstein, James Dean, Sherwood's got a winning team.

Davy Crockett, Peter Pannu, Elvis Presley, Disneyland.

Bardot, Budapest, Long Ball Pulis, Khrushchev

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 14, 2015, 12:18:14 PM

Quote from: LeeB on June 14, 2015, 12:00:49 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 14, 2015, 10:33:46 AM

Mervyn King

Forrest Gump
Tracey Andrews
Fred West
Bobby Sands MP

Geezer Butler
Prince William
Benjamin Zephenia
David Cameron MP

Mrs Doyle
Amy Winehouse

"There was outrage at Birmingham City yesterday when after the Second City Derby it was discovered the away dressing room had been smothered in human excrement. Suspicion immediately turned upon Villa's firebrand full back Bobby Sands MP, although this was later thrown into question when Nicola Zigic surprisingly confessed. Upon discovering the scene, Gary Rowett had exclaimed "Who's shit on the floor?" to which Zigic replied "Me boss, but I'm good in the air"

Lololol

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on June 14, 2015, 12:46:27 PM

2.5 for Weimann is probably a good deal for us. He's been dire for 2 seasons now, and he's past the point of promising youngster now. He's 24 soon, so he'll soon be coming into his peak years as a striker. A good season playing through the middle in the Championship could be just what he needs.
I wish Weimann well wherever he ends up as he works very hard. He's just not good enough in the Premiership, and 3 seasons of being shunted out wide have effected his development.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard E on June 14, 2015, 01:18:55 PM

Quote from: steamer on June 14, 2015, 12:00:04 PM

According to the metro that nice mr Levy is considering offering us Townsend as a make weight for Benteke.
What a kind considerate man he is.

They'll only need to find another £31.5 million in that case.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 14, 2015, 01:52:37 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on June 14, 2015, 10:22:13 AM

JFK blown away, what more do I have to say?

Randy didn't start the fire it was always burning but..

Stilian, bardsley, Ashley young and sutton. Shaun maloney.
Reo-coker ,  Carlos cuellar, big marlon, carews the fella

richard dunne, shorey, brad guzan, kirally

Zat night , sidwell ,davies , Brad friedel

Steveiee ireland and nzog , barry goes but we had  hogg.

Jimmy milner Stewart D James Collins and heskey !

Benteke and  fabian , Darren bent benched till may


Habi beye didn't go maway what more do I have to say.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on June 14, 2015, 02:15:44 PM

Not sure about this one, reported in various news outlets, another non-scoring ´Goal scorer´, a la Gabby. 15 mil better spent elsewhere, imo.................Godzvilla!
p.s.´Tactics Tim´seems to be catching on.
Aston Villa are reportedly plotting a £15million transfer swoop for Leicester City star Jamie Vardy.
The Villans are set for a squad overhaul this summer after several players failed to impress new boss Tim Sherwood.
And Sherwood is keen to put his stamp on the squad by bringing in several new faces in the transfer window.
Leicester value the 28-year-old attacker at £15m and that figure will not deter Tactics Tim, according to the Mirror.
Vardy only managed five Premier League goals last season but earned an England call up.
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Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on June 14, 2015, 02:47:14 PM

I doubt TS would be in for Vardy particularly at the valuations quoted in these reports. I'm not a fan of Vardy but he is one of those players that will work hard for the team and chase balls down. Still not sure how he made it into the England squad but its probably added a few extra million to his valuation in the eyes of Leicester and the media.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 14, 2015, 02:49:47 PM

Yes that all makes sense. We'll spend £15m for a 28 year old with one good season (and really only the last few games) in the PL. The article further legitimized by referring to the manager as Tactics Tim.

As Charlie Austin recently tweeted referring to him being linked with Newcastle "where do people get this stuff from?"

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Axl Rose on June 14, 2015, 02:50:09 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 14, 2015, 01:52:37 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on June 14, 2015, 10:22:13 AM

JFK blown away, what more do I have to say?

Randy didn't start the fire it was always burning but..

Stilian, bardsley, Ashley young and sutton. Shaun maloney.
Reo-coker ,  Carlos cuellar, big marlon, carews the fella

richard dunne, shorey, brad guzan, kirally

Zat night , sidwell ,davies , Brad friedel

Steveiee ireland and nzog , barry goes but we had  hogg.

Jimmy milner Stewart D James Collins and heskey !

Benteke and  fabian , Darren bent benched till may


Habi beye didn't go maway what more do I have to say.

Bravo!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 14, 2015, 03:05:27 PM

I assume that's a typo and they mean spoof instead is swoop.

Why would we pay £15M to replace Weimann? 
Runs around a lot. Check.
Scores 4-8 goals per season. Check.
In and around the squad for a mediocre national team. Check.

If that's the game they can sell him to Derbyshire for a couple of millions.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on June 14, 2015, 03:31:09 PM

I think Vardy is exactly the sort of player we need if we want to move on from  our perennial struggle against relegation and actually get relegated next season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tony Erdington on June 14, 2015, 03:41:08 PM

Quote from: Axl Rose on June 14, 2015, 02:50:09 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 14, 2015, 01:52:37 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on June 14, 2015, 10:22:13 AM

JFK blown away, what more do I have to say?

Randy didn't start the fire it was always burning but..

Stilian, bardsley, Ashley young and sutton. Shaun maloney.
Reo-coker ,  Carlos cuellar, big marlon, carews the fella

richard dunne, shorey, brad guzan, kirally

Zat night , sidwell ,davies , Brad friedel

Steveiee ireland and nzog , barry goes but we had  hogg.

Jimmy milner Stewart D James Collins and heskey !

Benteke and  fabian , Darren bent benched till may


Habi beye didn't go maway what more do I have to say.

Bravo!

As a Billy Joel fan, I say very well worked.

I like it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 14, 2015, 03:46:35 PM

I agree this reg vardy for £15m stuff is a load of horse shit. It had better be anyway

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: manic-road on June 14, 2015, 04:38:34 PM

Quote from: olaftab on June 14, 2015, 03:31:09 PM

I think Vardy is exactly the sort of player we need if we want to move on from  our perennial struggle against relegation and actually get relegated next season.

This.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 14, 2015, 05:16:38 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on June 14, 2015, 03:46:35 PM

I agree this reg vardy for £15m stuff is a load of horse shit. It had better be anyway

I think there are two reasons it'll be bollocks.

One is the idea of us spending that much on a single player. The other is the suggestion that Sherwood is stupid enough to spend it like that.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 14, 2015, 06:31:57 PM

If we broke the £10m barrier after four long years since nzogbia, and bought Vardy there's a genuine risk I'd cry

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: bertlambshank on June 14, 2015, 06:35:53 PM

I can't get the theme tune to On the buses out of my head.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 14, 2015, 07:44:10 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 14, 2015, 05:16:38 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on June 14, 2015, 03:46:35 PM

I agree this reg vardy for £15m stuff is a load of horse shit. It had better be anyway

I think there are two reasons it'll be bollocks.

One is the idea of us spending that much on a single player. The other is the suggestion that Sherwood is stupid enough to spend it like that.

Yeh, call me old fashioned but I like forwards that score goals. Vardy FFS might as well be Reg Varney

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 14, 2015, 07:57:27 PM

Quote from: ChicagoLion on June 14, 2015, 07:44:10 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 14, 2015, 05:16:38 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on June 14, 2015, 03:46:35 PM

I agree this reg vardy for £15m stuff is a load of horse shit. It had better be anyway

I think there are two reasons it'll be bollocks.

One is the idea of us spending that much on a single player. The other is the suggestion that Sherwood is stupid enough to spend it like that.

Yeh, call me old fashioned but I like forwards that score goals. Vardy FFS might as well be Reg Varney

Well we've already tried the alternative approach first with Ivanhoe and then more recently with Gabby and Weimann. I think we can all agree that that didn't end well.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 14, 2015, 07:58:13 PM

Would prefer Rhodes to Varney .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 14, 2015, 08:06:58 PM

Would prefer neither. We don't need a goal scorer who contributes nothing else and we don't need Jamie Vardy.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 14, 2015, 08:18:00 PM

A goalscorer other than Benteke would be quite handy though. Is Kozak enough ? We need a plan B and C

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on June 14, 2015, 08:33:14 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 14, 2015, 07:58:13 PM

Would prefer Rhodes to Varney .

Full of Syrian refugees, I'll stick with Barmouth.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: placeforparks on June 14, 2015, 09:22:35 PM

would prefer a dose of the clap to signing jamie vardy.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 14, 2015, 09:51:34 PM

Quote from: placeforparks on June 14, 2015, 09:22:35 PM

would prefer a dose of the clap to signing jamie vardy.

B9 is that way --->

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 14, 2015, 10:08:25 PM

£15m for Vardy? Fuck that. I'd rather be skint and not sign anyone. Or keep Weimann and play him as a sodding striker. It has to be a pisstake, how can you swap Weimann for Vardy and be £12.5m down on the deal?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 14, 2015, 10:12:13 PM

It would be close to Cahill plus 5m for Curtis Davies.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 14, 2015, 10:14:51 PM

It would probably knock the McLeish hiring into second place on the "what-on-earth-are-they thinking" scale.

Thankfully, it's bound to just be his agent trying to get him a payrise.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 14, 2015, 10:33:26 PM

If Euromillons is Suarez, a young Robbie Keane the national lottery, then Vardy is the raffle at a village fete, however I think that type of player would improve the team. Someone who will run all day and pull defenders about.  It would help Benteke no end and provide more movement for our midfield.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 14, 2015, 10:37:40 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 14, 2015, 10:33:26 PM

If Euromillons is Suarez, a young Robbie Keane the national lottery, then Vardy is the raffle at a village fete, however I think that type of player would improve the team. Someone who will run all day and pull defenders about.  It would help Benteke no end and provide more movement for our midfield.

In which case keep the cash in the bank and Weimann in the squad.  He's great as a headless chicken / overly enthusiastic puppy type.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 14, 2015, 10:41:38 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on June 14, 2015, 10:37:40 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 14, 2015, 10:33:26 PM

If Euromillons is Suarez, a young Robbie Keane the national lottery, then Vardy is the raffle at a village fete, however I think that type of player would improve the team. Someone who will run all day and pull defenders about.  It would help Benteke no end and provide more movement for our midfield.

In which case keep the cash in the bank and Weimann in the squad.  He's great as a headless chicken / overly enthusiastic puppy type.

Given a choice of Vardy at 15m and Weimann for nowt, I'd agree.  I'm mazed he has never been given the opportunity to be honest.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 14, 2015, 10:41:40 PM

He was, but I think that is something he has lost. In the few month that he, Benteke and Gabby tore some sides apart, Weimann was making those runs, working like a dog. But he stopped, the runs became half hearted and he rarely buzzed about like he did before. While I don't want Vardy, the answer is certainly not Weimann.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 14, 2015, 10:46:23 PM

Huddlestone being linked in the mirror. It is a pretty easy filler story, but one that I would not be shocked by.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: gervilla on June 14, 2015, 10:54:55 PM

Sheffield Wednesday defender Claude Dielna name has cropped up as being in talks with us.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 14, 2015, 10:58:53 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 14, 2015, 10:46:23 PM

Huddlestone being linked in the mirror. It is a pretty easy filler story, but one that I would not be shocked by.

Hes a good player but needs to shift the odd four stone

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 14, 2015, 11:01:14 PM

Hmm, we have £15mill to spend. Let me see, Austin or Vardy? Tough choice. Goals and young or older and shitter? Crap journo work.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 14, 2015, 11:03:17 PM

Quote from: TheMalandro on June 14, 2015, 10:58:53 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 14, 2015, 10:46:23 PM

Huddlestone being linked in the mirror. It is a pretty easy filler story, but one that I would not be shocked by.

Hes a good player but needs to shift the odd four stone

Decent player but a bit tainted these days by either relegation or weight or injury issues. Been better with the latter but I just wonder how mobile he is.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 14, 2015, 11:16:31 PM

He would give us a range of passing we don't have, but he was pretty poor last few months of the season for Hull.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 14, 2015, 11:20:56 PM

Quote from: TheMalandro on June 14, 2015, 10:58:53 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 14, 2015, 10:46:23 PM

Huddlestone being linked in the mirror. It is a pretty easy filler story, but one that I would not be shocked by.

Hes a good player but needs to shift the odd four stone

Certainly an interesting one. I've seen him play well consistently for spells but also look like his feet are on the wrong way. The Villa-Hull home game he was dreadful.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 14, 2015, 11:27:46 PM

Quote from: OCD on June 14, 2015, 11:20:56 PM

Quote from: TheMalandro on June 14, 2015, 10:58:53 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 14, 2015, 10:46:23 PM

Huddlestone being linked in the mirror. It is a pretty easy filler story, but one that I would not be shocked by.

Hes a good player but needs to shift the odd four stone

Certainly an interesting one. I've seen him play well consistently for spells but also look like his feet are on the wrong way. The Villa-Hull home game he was dreadful.

I can understand the weight issues, hull has the very finest fish and chip shop - bob carvers

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 14, 2015, 11:36:38 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 14, 2015, 11:16:31 PM

He would give us a range of passing we don't have, but he was pretty poor last few months of the season for Hull.

I remember a piece on Match of the Day during that period pointing out his poor efforts to work back.  Saying that, I think he would be an upgrade on Westwood and Sanchez, and should he arrive I'd expect the latter could be sold.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on June 14, 2015, 11:39:12 PM

Huddlestone no thanks even if he was free.

He doesn't score a lot and his assist numbers are poor. For £5.5m as well you're having a laugh.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john2710 on June 14, 2015, 11:51:24 PM

Huddlestone's performance this season at Villa Park was quite possibly the worst I've seen from any midfield player & that's saying something after a whole season of watching Mark Kinsella.

Hull paid £5.5m for him, he has 12 months left on his contract & they've been relegated. I think they'll be lucky to get half that.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 14, 2015, 11:55:25 PM

Just so easy for the media to simply link every player Sherwood ever worked with at Spurs that might be available for transfer to a move to Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mrastonvilla on June 15, 2015, 12:02:08 AM

Lazy ex-Spurs sherwood link hopefully. Would rather have mulumbu on a free.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on June 15, 2015, 12:38:57 AM

Really don't know how I feel about the Huddlestone link.. although Toon negotiating Bas Dost for 9m seems like decent business for a proven 26 year old.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 15, 2015, 12:47:52 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 13, 2015, 12:04:13 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on June 13, 2015, 10:08:39 AM

Quote from: N'ZMAV on June 13, 2015, 09:19:45 AM

Tim's going to replace Benteke with Drogba :|

Benteke is going nowhere judging from his performance last night.

I spoke of drogba before and great to see others see him as a class talent still Have you considered  Benteke performance may be affected with his imminent decision on if he's staying or going. I hardly think people scout him on yesterday match alone!! Clubs do there work on players and he wont be judged just on that one match .


Now on to Sherwood forest new look team

Get willy caballero on loan from man city in GK as he doesn't get game time.
Glenn Johnson,
Evans
Clark
Richards
Nzonzi or Cambiasso or Huddleston
Delph
Osman/Nolan/Cabaye/ Sigurdson/pienaar
Grealish
Scott Sinclair
Matt phillips
Benteke (Drogba)

Also bring in likes of Bamford, Tom Carroll, James Wilson loan and sign championship talents Hendrick and Hughes, Friend, Tom ince , tyrone mings, vigen Christensen , Lewis dunk.

Huddlestone another of my mentions. Vardy not interested. Prefer nzonzi to huddledtone and Wilson or bamford

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on June 15, 2015, 01:07:20 AM

The Hudd is on silly money there. Hull pay a few of their players big money. Now granted it doesn't mean he won't take a pay drop, but I wouldn't want to be paying a fee for him and then 50-60k a week on top. Not unless he shifts some timber. I'm not sure entirely what he would offer either. He plays that kind of Pirlo role but that doesn't suit the Premiership as much as Serie A, and even compared to Pirlo who is a 57 this year, Hudd comes off as slow. He's crap defensively and as others have said he doesn't score or assist enough. He's not swift of feet enough to play further forward, where his passing may instigate more. I'd sooner give Gardner a go.

Hudd was good in parts last season but poor this, and he tends to have anonymous patches.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 15, 2015, 01:13:06 AM

Huddlestone and Vardy. For £20m. Let me think about that....

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on June 15, 2015, 01:52:47 AM

Vardy for £15m is so laughably unrealistic, that it could actually be real!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ROBBO on June 15, 2015, 02:19:46 AM

If i were the potential new owner wanting to invest in my new company would i sanction the purchase of Huddlestone or Vardy well only if i were a chancer with no real money behind me.I would like to see Sherwood succeed where so many previous managers have failed but if and thats a bif if there is anything in this then i would have serious doubts.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on June 15, 2015, 03:19:19 AM

Quote from: villadelph on June 15, 2015, 12:38:57 AM

Really don't know how I feel about the Huddlestone link.. although Toon negotiating Bas Dost for £9m seems like decent business for a proven 26 year old.

He is the type of player we should definitely be in for again especially for £6.5m after we shift Weimann out.

If Sherwood does end up going for Huddlestone even if that ridiculous price is reduced. I will have serious doubts about him. Some others seem to rate him highly though!

(http://i58.tinypic.com/20horuq.jpg)

(http://i62.tinypic.com/bg6vlj.jpg)

 ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on June 15, 2015, 05:11:43 AM

If we're going by the stereotype that Sherwood wants players who play at a high tempo, I can't think of a more ill-suited player for that than Huddlestone

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 15, 2015, 06:21:19 AM

Wouldn't want huddle stone at all

Bas Dost seems to score in fits and starts I think? Not seen him play so can't comment but he's an obvious contender if benteke goes.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 15, 2015, 07:08:17 AM

I've never seen the fuss about Huddlestone either. He's very average.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Boz on June 15, 2015, 08:05:49 AM

Huddlestone, one word NO.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 15, 2015, 08:19:30 AM

Quote from: Clampy on June 15, 2015, 07:08:17 AM

I've never seen the fuss about Huddlestone either. He's very average.

He reminds me of someone I used to play Sunday League with.  Gets a game in poor teams because "he's a good passer of the ball" which translates to, he risks a heart attack if he moves outside of the centre circle whilst he needs 3 other players to "do his running for him".

I'd call him the Darren Bent of midfielders, but at least Bent is/was very good at the one thing he was paid for. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on June 15, 2015, 09:21:06 AM

Huddlestone is one of those players who looks good if you only ever see him on match of the day because he does have a good range of passing and can make things happen on the counter attack.  Because of that lots of the press and by extension fans have this opinion that's he's an English Pirlo.  What they miss is the fact that he's a lazy fucker who only gets involved when people give him the ball, he can't defend and he is the least mobile player in the league.

It could work if you build your team around him but if we go down the route of buying someone to build a team around I'd want much better than Huddlestone at the centre of it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on June 15, 2015, 09:31:39 AM

Quote from: paul_e on June 15, 2015, 09:21:06 AM

Huddlestone is one of those players who looks good if you only ever see him on match of the day because he does have a good range of passing and can make things happen on the counter attack.  Because of that lots of the press and by extension fans have this opinion that's he's an English Pirlo.  What they miss is the fact that he's a lazy fucker who only gets involved when people give him the ball, he can't defend and he is the least mobile player in the league.

It could work if you build your team around him but if we go down the route of buying someone to build a team around I'd want much better than Huddlestone at the centre of it.

Hull built their team around Hudd and it get them relegated.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on June 15, 2015, 09:38:49 AM

Huddlestone is a player who looked full of great promise and potential several years ago.

He has never realised that potential, which is why he's ended up at Hull, and now looks as if he's full of bread pudding.

No thanks.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 15, 2015, 09:40:58 AM

Huddledtone around the right players 'with legs' as we say in the game would be great. That means energetic players around him. Also perhaps having another sitting midfielder but huddledtone cud pick up ball off defence and play the passes.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JD on June 15, 2015, 09:41:13 AM

Vardy & Huddlestone. No thanks and please don't be true, we need better than them to improve.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passport1 on June 15, 2015, 09:42:08 AM

Dear god no.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 15, 2015, 09:44:14 AM

Huddledtone also is in better shape/slimmer than his spurs days I think . So these overweight shouts aren't really the case and based on his injured days at spurs

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on June 15, 2015, 09:45:13 AM

And so the link with every player TS has managed at Spurzzz begins...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 15, 2015, 09:52:10 AM

Also as I stated if. People font want big bad tom lets hear suggested alternatives. Its all well and good to say we don't want him or must buy better!!? But which players realistically are we seeking. I suspect all summer I be asking this! I gave up my players which included big bad tom why don't others say ok huddledtone not for me I'd go for...

Anyway as he's in the news a decent fee of up to 3mil cant hurt. The trouble is it seems to be a different hull player every week.
Personally I see big bad tom go to Newcastle I think.
Btw bad dost is seemingly very good option however Sherwood doesn't look like a foreign player fancier esp untried in prem. His English ways and banter would be lost on those arriving. From non English game

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: warleyboy on June 15, 2015, 10:10:34 AM

No way would TS be looking at Huddlestone, he is not the type of midfielder we require, I feel it is the Spurs link again.
As for Vardy, just total bullshite, TS will not look at any strikers until Tekkers situation has been sorted out.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on June 15, 2015, 10:23:05 AM

I remember when I wrote for another website around 2008 adressing Huddlestone to Villa rumours. If we couldn't be arsed to sign him then, I fail to see why a seven year gap would have improved his chances.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 15, 2015, 10:50:15 AM

Andi Weimann close to Derby move. Hasn't he been close to it for nearly two weeks now!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard E on June 15, 2015, 10:51:43 AM

Quote from: TheMalandro on June 15, 2015, 10:50:15 AM

Andi Weimann close to Derby move. Hasn't he been close to it for nearly two weeks now!

About 36 miles, same as ever.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 15, 2015, 10:57:43 AM

Quote from: TheMalandro on June 15, 2015, 10:50:15 AM

Andi Weimann close to Derby move. Hasn't he been close to it for nearly two weeks now!

His ability to finish this deal is about the same as his conversion rate in the box for us.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 15, 2015, 11:42:03 AM

Quote from: Ads on June 15, 2015, 10:57:43 AM

Quote from: TheMalandro on June 15, 2015, 10:50:15 AM

Andi Weimann close to Derby move. Hasn't he been close to it for nearly two weeks now!

His ability to finish this deal is about the same as his conversion rate in the box for us.

ha very good. but good luck to andi been at club a long time and loves the villa. i hope a suitable replacement is found . AND also we have first argument on some derby players as we give them some business with players.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on June 15, 2015, 11:51:32 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 15, 2015, 11:42:03 AM

Quote from: Ads on June 15, 2015, 10:57:43 AM

Quote from: TheMalandro on June 15, 2015, 10:50:15 AM

Andi Weimann close to Derby move. Hasn't he been close to it for nearly two weeks now!

His ability to finish this deal is about the same as his conversion rate in the box for us.

ha very good. but good luck to andi been at club a long time and loves the villa. i hope a suitable replacement is found . AND also we have first argument on some derby players as we give them some business with players.

Weimann does love us long time, and I'd have first argument with Will Hughes, I reckon I could take him.

Maybe start with something like "What you looking at Beeker?"

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 15, 2015, 12:52:22 PM

I would like us to take a sniff at Townsend - certainly an upgrade on Charles Nzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 15, 2015, 12:54:17 PM

I thought I was the only one on here who'd be quite excited if we got Townsend!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on June 15, 2015, 12:55:52 PM

I would be too, I think he's a cracking player.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on June 15, 2015, 12:56:42 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 15, 2015, 12:54:17 PM

I thought I was the only one on here who'd be quite excited if we got Townsend!

"Oh Andy, oh Andy, you're the greatest, the Holte End say" could quite easily be converted to "Oh Andros, oh Andros, you're the greatest, the Holte End say".

It'd be a lie though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 15, 2015, 01:07:24 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 15, 2015, 09:52:10 AM

Also as I stated if. People font want big bad tom lets hear suggested alternatives. Its all well and good to say we don't want him or must buy better!!? But which players realistically are we seeking. I suspect all summer I be asking this! I gave up my players which included big bad tom why don't others say ok huddledtone not for me I'd go for...

I disagree. Just because people don't like a certain player we've been linked with, it dosen't automatically mean we have to offer an alternative.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: in exile on June 15, 2015, 01:13:24 PM

Quote from: warleyboy on June 15, 2015, 10:10:34 AM

No way would TS be looking at Huddlestone, he is not the type of midfielder we require, I feel it is the Spurs link again.
As for Vardy, just total bullshite, TS will not look at any strikers until Tekkers situation has been sorted out.

I hope you are right

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 15, 2015, 01:33:09 PM

Quote from: warleyboy on June 15, 2015, 10:10:34 AM

No way would TS be looking at Huddlestone, he is not the type of midfielder we require, I feel it is the Spurs link again.
As for Vardy, just total bullshite, TS will not look at any strikers until Tekkers situation has been sorted out.

I seem to remember TS praising Huddlestone during his time at Spurs, saying something like he wished he was still at the club.  As for the bit in bold, I personally think we do require a better defensive midfielder than Westwood and Sanchez if we are to progres, but a replacement for Cleverley is more of a priority if money is tight. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 15, 2015, 01:45:17 PM

We've got our Enda away. Stevens signs for Portsmouth.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: not3bad on June 15, 2015, 02:01:00 PM

Good luck Enda.  Always thought he looked decent when I saw him play.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on June 15, 2015, 03:19:45 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 15, 2015, 09:52:10 AM

Also as I stated if. People font want big bad tom lets hear suggested alternatives. Its all well and good to say we don't want him or must buy better!!? But which players realistically are we seeking. I suspect all summer I be asking this! I gave up my players which included big bad tom why don't others say ok huddledtone not for me I'd go for...

Anyway as he's in the news a decent fee of up to 3mil cant hurt. The trouble is it seems to be a different hull player every week.
Personally I see big bad tom go to Newcastle I think.
Btw bad dost is seemingly very good option however Sherwood doesn't look like a foreign player fancier esp untried in prem. His English ways and banter would be lost on those arriving. From non English game

People don't offer alternatives because there's not much point in most cases, just like posting a list of players you'd like to see doesn't really mean much.  I could grab a copy of the football manager DB and spend half an hour on whoscored and give you a list of 3-4 options in every position but I don't see the point.  I don't know what's realistic because I don't know who Sherwood is interested in, no one does because he's never bought a player.


You say he doesn't look like he'd be interested in foreign players but there's no evidence to support that.  There is evidence that there is a type of player that he hasn't liked working with but that's all, assuming the traits he doesn't like exist for every player who hasn't played in English football is a huge leap. Therefore he may be interested in foreign players but only ones with a good work rate and attitude in training and in that case the potential targets change.


The other issue with the links you give is that virtually all of them are pretty much on the same level as the players we have, if they're really the only genuine options we've got then we're fucked so the club needs to be working harder than just looking at players from the relegated clubs or the top 6s cast offs, which is pretty much all you've done.


What there is value to is stating that Huddlestone (or other players that are rumoured) isn't what we need, the flaws in his game (and fitness/mobility is one of those regardless of whether he's not as fat as he was at Tottenham) are too big to justify the range of passing he brings when that really is all he brings.


Don't take this as me having a go at you, if you want to bring players like this into the conversation then go ahead, but do it with an explanation of why you think they'd be a good signing and what gap they fill/who they replace.  On top of that don't act like anyone who disagrees but doesn't offer alternatives is ducking the question, it's nothing like that and trying to demand that anyone who wants an opinion has to forward alternatives does nothing to move the conversation on.


All that said if you want a name I'd love to see us looking at people like Youri Tielemans, Kevin Volland or Adam Maher, young, massive potential and being watched by lots of clubs, if the takeover happens these are the type of players that work for the 'moneyball' style approach i'd love to see the club take on, 2 of them would probably cost less than Jamie fucking Vardy as well (I think Volland is being talked about in the £20m region but the other 2 are more £10-15m).  Even if the takeover doesn't happen players like that are what I want to see us linked to (e.g. Benzia who i mentioned a few pages back) buying proven international footballers is an expensive game and with the wage cap it's almost impossible to do in bulk so buying younger players who have player a lot of games already and shown potential is the way to go.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 15, 2015, 03:25:23 PM

There's also a load of players out there who could do the job that we don't know exist, or even if we have heard of them would never think of. Who on here would have suggested Benteke a few years as a striker for us? I'd never heard of him before it came out we were interested.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 15, 2015, 04:05:16 PM

Being linked with a £3m bid for Tom Carroll on bulltwit. I feel we should chronicle twitter rumours by who posts them, and then see if anyone is ever accurate. Just to keep me entertained through the long and painful summer months!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on June 15, 2015, 04:22:56 PM

Not sure about Tom Carroll, he's had a reputation that his performances don't really justify for a few years, sometimes that is because of age and problems adjusting but he's 23 now and he's never made the step up to being a regular first team player at this level, I think a year or 2 in the championship getting regular games is the sensible option for him and I don't think he'd be a good buy for us.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on June 15, 2015, 04:44:59 PM

Quote from: gervilla on June 14, 2015, 10:54:55 PM

Sheffield Wednesday defender Claude Dielna name has cropped up as being in talks with us.

Strange one this, if true, but the story appears to have some momentum.........Godzvilla!
Aston Villa are reportedly in talks with Sheffield Wednesday defender Dielna.

Dielna arrived at Wednesday last summer, signing from Olympiakos on a free transfer.
The 27-year-old defender spent his debut season in English football as something of a rotation option at Hillsborough, making 25 appearances in all competitions, and scoring one goal.
Able to play all across the defensive line, the former Sedan, Ajaccio and Loriet player frequently appeared in the centre and to the left of the back-line, and he was an acceptable performer - if fairly average.
However, this has not lowered interest in him, and French media outlet FootMercato claims that he is in talks with Aston Villa to move to the club this summer, with 'negotiations proceeding well'.
He is said to be in advanced talks with the Premier League club, with Tim Sherwood keen on bringing him to Villa Park as his second signing of the summer - following the permanent deal for Scott Sinclair.
It would be a surprise deal, with Dielna hardly impressing at Championship level - let alone showing the ability to make the step up to the Premier League - but clearly Sherwood has seen enough to be impressed by the defender.
His versatility is useful, and adding reinforcements to the defensive unit will be of vital importance to Villa this summer, and it looks as if Dielna is well set to move to the Birmingham-based club with talks progressing well.
http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2015/06/15/report-aston-villa-in-talks-with-sheffield-wednesday-defender-cl/?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 15, 2015, 05:18:36 PM

Quote from: paul_e on June 15, 2015, 03:19:45 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 15, 2015, 09:52:10 AM

Also as I stated if. People font want big bad tom lets hear suggested alternatives. Its all well and good to say we don't want him or must buy better!!? But which players realistically are we seeking. I suspect all summer I be asking this! I gave up my players which included big bad tom why don't others say ok huddledtone not for me I'd go for...

Anyway as he's in the news a decent fee of up to 3mil cant hurt. The trouble is it seems to be a different hull player every week.
Personally I see big bad tom go to Newcastle I think.
Btw bad dost is seemingly very good option however Sherwood doesn't look like a foreign player fancier esp untried in prem. His English ways and banter would be lost on those arriving. From non English game

People don't offer alternatives because there's not much point in most cases, just like posting a list of players you'd like to see doesn't really mean much.  I could grab a copy of the football manager DB and spend half an hour on whoscored and give you a list of 3-4 options in every position but I don't see the point.  I don't know what's realistic because I don't know who Sherwood is interested in, no one does because he's never bought a player.


You say he doesn't look like he'd be interested in foreign players but there's no evidence to support that.  There is evidence that there is a type of player that he hasn't liked working with but that's all, assuming the traits he doesn't like exist for every player who hasn't played in English football is a huge leap. Therefore he may be interested in foreign players but only ones with a good work rate and attitude in training and in that case the potential targets change.


The other issue with the links you give is that virtually all of them are pretty much on the same level as the players we have, if they're really the only genuine options we've got then we're fucked so the club needs to be working harder than just looking at players from the relegated clubs or the top 6s cast offs, which is pretty much all you've done.


What there is value to is stating that Huddlestone (or other players that are rumoured) isn't what we need, the flaws in his game (and fitness/mobility is one of those regardless of whether he's not as fat as he was at Tottenham) are too big to justify the range of passing he brings when that really is all he brings.


Don't take this as me having a go at you, if you want to bring players like this into the conversation then go ahead, but do it with an explanation of why you think they'd be a good signing and what gap they fill/who they replace.  On top of that don't act like anyone who disagrees but doesn't offer alternatives is ducking the question, it's nothing like that and trying to demand that anyone who wants an opinion has to forward alternatives does nothing to move the conversation on.


All that said if you want a name I'd love to see us looking at people like Youri Tielemans, Kevin Volland or Adam Maher, young, massive potential and being watched by lots of clubs, if the takeover happens these are the type of players that work for the 'moneyball' style approach i'd love to see the club take on, 2 of them would probably cost less than Jamie fucking Vardy as well (I think Volland is being talked about in the £20m region but the other 2 are more £10-15m).  Even if the takeover doesn't happen players like that are what I want to see us linked to (e.g. Benzia who i mentioned a few pages back) buying proven international footballers is an expensive game and with the wage cap it's almost impossible to do in bulk so buying younger players who have player a lot of games already and shown potential is the way to go.

I can take this on board and makes sense too. Volland is one I rate for sure. I think I need to be clearer that I have a suspicious of Sherwood treatment of Gil and less exctent Carlos Sanchez because both don't play before in premier league England. And therefore Sherwood wasnt wishih to use their talents. I saw similar with lamela , soldado and eriksen at Spurs and there seemed an issue with Sandro for sure. OK for huddelsdton I would say his strength is passing and shooting . his weakness is his mobility. I feel he is capable of playing in midfield for villa as good as we have. I also am realistic to targets but hope euro under 21 and copa America bring some thing signings over to premier league namely with villa of course .

I like this idea of getting young potential  players in , works with Sherwood's young player grooming, but having experienced prem players who have the know how rather than any new to league European , central, north or  south american, African or south east Asian or Oceania players would be the deals and that sir is how I currently see it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on June 15, 2015, 05:28:27 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 15, 2015, 05:18:36 PM

Quote from: paul_e on June 15, 2015, 03:19:45 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 15, 2015, 09:52:10 AM

Also as I stated if. People font want big bad tom lets hear suggested alternatives. Its all well and good to say we don't want him or must buy better!!? But which players realistically are we seeking. I suspect all summer I be asking this! I gave up my players which included big bad tom why don't others say ok huddledtone not for me I'd go for...

Anyway as he's in the news a decent fee of up to 3mil cant hurt. The trouble is it seems to be a different hull player every week.
Personally I see big bad tom go to Newcastle I think.
Btw bad dost is seemingly very good option however Sherwood doesn't look like a foreign player fancier esp untried in prem. His English ways and banter would be lost on those arriving. From non English game

People don't offer alternatives because there's not much point in most cases, just like posting a list of players you'd like to see doesn't really mean much.  I could grab a copy of the football manager DB and spend half an hour on whoscored and give you a list of 3-4 options in every position but I don't see the point.  I don't know what's realistic because I don't know who Sherwood is interested in, no one does because he's never bought a player.


You say he doesn't look like he'd be interested in foreign players but there's no evidence to support that.  There is evidence that there is a type of player that he hasn't liked working with but that's all, assuming the traits he doesn't like exist for every player who hasn't played in English football is a huge leap. Therefore he may be interested in foreign players but only ones with a good work rate and attitude in training and in that case the potential targets change.


The other issue with the links you give is that virtually all of them are pretty much on the same level as the players we have, if they're really the only genuine options we've got then we're fucked so the club needs to be working harder than just looking at players from the relegated clubs or the top 6s cast offs, which is pretty much all you've done.


What there is value to is stating that Huddlestone (or other players that are rumoured) isn't what we need, the flaws in his game (and fitness/mobility is one of those regardless of whether he's not as fat as he was at Tottenham) are too big to justify the range of passing he brings when that really is all he brings.


Don't take this as me having a go at you, if you want to bring players like this into the conversation then go ahead, but do it with an explanation of why you think they'd be a good signing and what gap they fill/who they replace.  On top of that don't act like anyone who disagrees but doesn't offer alternatives is ducking the question, it's nothing like that and trying to demand that anyone who wants an opinion has to forward alternatives does nothing to move the conversation on.


All that said if you want a name I'd love to see us looking at people like Youri Tielemans, Kevin Volland or Adam Maher, young, massive potential and being watched by lots of clubs, if the takeover happens these are the type of players that work for the 'moneyball' style approach i'd love to see the club take on, 2 of them would probably cost less than Jamie fucking Vardy as well (I think Volland is being talked about in the £20m region but the other 2 are more £10-15m).  Even if the takeover doesn't happen players like that are what I want to see us linked to (e.g. Benzia who i mentioned a few pages back) buying proven international footballers is an expensive game and with the wage cap it's almost impossible to do in bulk so buying younger players who have player a lot of games already and shown potential is the way to go.

I can take this on board and makes sense too. Volland is one I rate for sure. I think I need to be clearer that I have a suspicious of Sherwood treatment of Gil and less exctent Carlos Sanchez because both don't play before in premier league England. And therefore Sherwood wasnt wishih to use their talents. I saw similar with lamela , soldado and eriksen at Spurs and there seemed an issue with Sandro for sure. OK for huddelsdton I would say his strength is passing and shooting . his weakness is his mobility. I feel he is capable of playing in midfield for villa as good as we have. I also am realistic to targets but hope euro under 21 and copa America bring some thing signings over to premier league namely with villa of course .

I like this idea of getting young potential  players in , works with Sherwood's young player grooming, but having experienced prem players who have the know how rather than any new to league European , central, north or  south american, African or south east Asian or Oceania players would be the deals and that sir is how I currently see it.

Yes I understand that.......but what about Jason Scotland?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on June 15, 2015, 05:35:17 PM

Lamela was injured for most of the time he was manager, Soldado was shite when he played, Eriksen played fairly regularly under him (23 matches out of 26 I think).  Gil has been discussed on here in depth and Sanchez was in the side until he got suspended when Westwood came in and we started winning so he left it was it was.  Sandro I'll give you he had a problem with but given I don't rate Sandro at all I don't see the issue there either.  He's made some comments which suggest you may be right but that's really all there is to it; take away the comments (which were about giving youth team prospects a chance rather than buying in talent from abroad not the broader "don't buy foreign" that it sometimes gets painted as) and I doubt anyone would notice his decisions regarding English (or English trained) and foreign players.

We have a decent amount of experience in the squad now, the likes of Benteke, Delph, Clark and Bacuna have a good number of games at this level now despite their age and Gabby, Given, Richardson, Senderos and Cole give us the older heads as well so I think the balance in that regard is about right.  What needs improving is the quality of the squad, 3-4 players of high quality (like Benteke and Delph) would make a big difference to us as there's a lot of decent raw talent there but we have too many gaps.  Buying that quality means £15-20m a pop in this league or £5-10m from other leagues.  The value just isn't there in England, in most cases, the prices for Vardy, Stirling and Kane show just how broken the English market is.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on June 15, 2015, 07:04:40 PM

Does Kevin Kyle still play football. We could sign him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: walsall villain on June 15, 2015, 07:11:29 PM

Quote from: Chris Jameson on June 15, 2015, 07:04:40 PM

Does Kevin Kyle still play football. We could sign him.

He never played football I can assure you.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 15, 2015, 07:13:26 PM

I was watching the home nations games over the weekend, and I think it was the Northern Ireland game a bloke called Andone (if I remember correctly) came on and they spoke about Villa being interested apparently. Any ideas?

Edit: just looked. Old news from april.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 15, 2015, 07:27:26 PM

According to a couple of Sheff Wed forums I took a look at Dielna is shit and they have no idea why a Premiership club are supposedly in for him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on June 15, 2015, 07:30:10 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on June 15, 2015, 07:27:26 PM

According to a couple of Sheff Wed forums I took a look at Dielna is shit and they have no idea why a Premiership club are supposedly in for him.

Chesterfields forums said exactly the same thing about Bowery, and look how that turned out   ::)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 15, 2015, 07:43:47 PM

Quote from: john e on June 15, 2015, 07:30:10 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on June 15, 2015, 07:27:26 PM

According to a couple of Sheff Wed forums I took a look at Dielna is shit and they have no idea why a Premiership club are supposedly in for him.

Chesterfields forums said exactly the same thing about Bowery, and look how that turned out   ::)

How did I ever forget about him...

Apparent cons are
. Hoofs
. Concentration
. Error prone

Pros
. Strong
. Decent cross

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 15, 2015, 08:13:17 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on June 15, 2015, 07:43:47 PM

Quote from: john e on June 15, 2015, 07:30:10 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on June 15, 2015, 07:27:26 PM

According to a couple of Sheff Wed forums I took a look at Dielna is shit and they have no idea why a Premiership club are supposedly in for him.

Chesterfields forums said exactly the same thing about Bowery, and look how that turned out   ::)

How did I ever forget about him...

Apparent cons are
. Hoofs
. Concentration
. Error prone

Pros
. Strong
. Decent cross

You can see why he'd fit straight into our back 4.😪

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on June 15, 2015, 08:16:23 PM

Quote from: john e on June 15, 2015, 07:30:10 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on June 15, 2015, 07:27:26 PM

According to a couple of Sheff Wed forums I took a look at Dielna is shit and they have no idea why a Premiership club are supposedly in for him.

Chesterfields forums said exactly the same thing about Bowery, and look how that turned out   ::)

Not in any way suggesting a link but Belgian posters on this forum said that about Benteke.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 15, 2015, 08:26:40 PM

Quote from: paul_e on June 15, 2015, 08:16:23 PM

Quote from: john e on June 15, 2015, 07:30:10 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on June 15, 2015, 07:27:26 PM

According to a couple of Sheff Wed forums I took a look at Dielna is shit and they have no idea why a Premiership club are supposedly in for him.

Chesterfields forums said exactly the same thing about Bowery, and look how that turned out   ::)

Not in any way suggesting a link but Belgian posters on this forum said that about Benteke.

And some twat from the eastern side of the North Sea described Niklas Helenius as a poor man's Zlatan Ibrahimovic.😳

In fairness the same twat did call Andreas Cornelius a poor man's Andy Caroll.😇

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on June 15, 2015, 08:48:58 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on June 15, 2015, 08:26:40 PM

Quote from: paul_e on June 15, 2015, 08:16:23 PM

Quote from: john e on June 15, 2015, 07:30:10 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on June 15, 2015, 07:27:26 PM

According to a couple of Sheff Wed forums I took a look at Dielna is shit and they have no idea why a Premiership club are supposedly in for him.

Chesterfields forums said exactly the same thing about Bowery, and look how that turned out   ::)

Not in any way suggesting a link but Belgian posters on this forum said that about Benteke.

And some twat from the eastern side of the North Sea described Niklas Helenius as a poor man's Zlatan Ibrahimovic.😳

In fairness the same twat did call Andreas Cornelius a poor man's Andy Caroll.😇

To be fair to whoever that person may have been if Tottenham defenders weren't allowed to pull people's shorts down in the box his career with us may have gone very differently, I think he was good enough to deserve more of a chance than he got.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on June 15, 2015, 09:00:33 PM

Quote from: paul_e on June 15, 2015, 08:48:58 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on June 15, 2015, 08:26:40 PM

Quote from: paul_e on June 15, 2015, 08:16:23 PM

Quote from: john e on June 15, 2015, 07:30:10 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on June 15, 2015, 07:27:26 PM

According to a couple of Sheff Wed forums I took a look at Dielna is shit and they have no idea why a Premiership club are supposedly in for him.

Chesterfields forums said exactly the same thing about Bowery, and look how that turned out   ::)

Not in any way suggesting a link but Belgian posters on this forum said that about Benteke.

And some twat from the eastern side of the North Sea described Niklas Helenius as a poor man's Zlatan Ibrahimovic.😳

In fairness the same twat did call Andreas Cornelius a poor man's Andy Caroll.😇

To be fair to whoever that person may have been if Tottenham defenders weren't allowed to pull people's shorts down in the box his career with us may have gone very differently, I think he was good enough to deserve more of a chance than he got.

I'm still staggered at how the ref just waved that whole incident away.

If that happened on a Sunday morning and I was in Vertongen's role I'd be sent off, a penalty would be awarded and all of my team-mates would have said "WTF....?" either at the time or later in the pub, over the next 25 years!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on June 15, 2015, 09:01:53 PM

Another decent youngster signs from Southampton ( via  Blackburn & Real Madrid !!
....http://www.lep.co.uk/sport/southampton-star-niall-s-the-real-deal-1-6475608 )......................Godzvilla!

Aston Villa have announced that former Southampton midfielder Niall Mason is set to join the club on a permanent deal following a successful trial stint.

Mason, 18, linked up with Villa in April ahead of his Southampton contract expiring and went on to start all six of the Under-21 side’s remaining fixtures, scoring in the 3-2 win at Middlesbrough.

Featuring at both centre-back and in a defensive midfield role, the versatile teenager will now continue his footballing education in the Midlands after the coaching staff were impressed enough with his performances to offer him professional terms.

Having also been on the books of Spanish giants Real Madrid and Blackburn Rovers during his short but nomadic career, the Lancashire-native possess a great deal of potential and Villa manager Tim Sherwood could just be the ideal coach to help him fulfil it.

Mason is not the lone youngster committing his future to the claret and blues, though, with scholars Charlie Bannister, Rory Hale, Harry McKirdy Anes Omerovic, Joonas Sundman and Moustafa Zeidan all confirmed to be signing their first professional contracts with the club.

SEE ALSO: Aston Villa rookie tweets delight at new deal

In addition, Under-21 prospects Riccardo Calder, Henry Cowans, Lewis Kinsella, Tom Leggett, Jerrell Sellars, Benjamin Siegrist, Ben Swift, Brad Watkins and Josh Webb are all penning contract extensions, while Liam Bateman is set to sign a month-to-month deal.

Along with Mason, the likes of Calder and Kinsella, who both featured on the senior bench last season, are worth keeping close tabs on moving forward, while Swiss goalkeeper Siegrist could well have a first-team future at Villa Park if he can recover from the broken leg sustained last month.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 15, 2015, 09:18:11 PM

Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on June 15, 2015, 09:00:33 PM

Quote from: paul_e on June 15, 2015, 08:48:58 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on June 15, 2015, 08:26:40 PM

Quote from: paul_e on June 15, 2015, 08:16:23 PM

Quote from: john e on June 15, 2015, 07:30:10 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on June 15, 2015, 07:27:26 PM

According to a couple of Sheff Wed forums I took a look at Dielna is shit and they have no idea why a Premiership club are supposedly in for him.

Chesterfields forums said exactly the same thing about Bowery, and look how that turned out   ::)

Not in any way suggesting a link but Belgian posters on this forum said that about Benteke.

And some twat from the eastern side of the North Sea described Niklas Helenius as a poor man's Zlatan Ibrahimovic.😳

In fairness the same twat did call Andreas Cornelius a poor man's Andy Caroll.😇

To be fair to whoever that person may have been if Tottenham defenders weren't allowed to pull people's shorts down in the box his career with us may have gone very differently, I think he was good enough to deserve more of a chance than he got.

I'm still staggered at how the ref just waved that whole incident away.

If that happened on a Sunday morning and I was in Vertongen's role I'd be sent off, a penalty would be awarded and all of my team-mates would have said "WTF....?" either at the time or later in the pub, over the next 25 years!

Whenever there's a dodgy refereeing decision in the PL, channel 6 over here tend to use a picture of that as a "what do you expect from English referees" reference point.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on June 15, 2015, 10:06:03 PM

I genuinely think that was the worst refereeing decision I've ever seen, it was so unbelievable that it's hard to take it seriously.  Look at the press reports from the time, they all take the piss rather than anything else because there really was nothing else to do.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on June 15, 2015, 10:45:44 PM

Glad Niall Mason is staying on.. hopefully our youth continue to improve, especially with the opportunity Sherwood presents.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 15, 2015, 11:19:11 PM

Funny he seemed from his profile to be set for major stardom and lost his way at Southampton. Lets hope he fulfils the potential here.

Linked in France with young left back Jordan Amavi. Seems to be pretty highly thought of but not keen on the move.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on June 15, 2015, 11:34:24 PM

Tom Huddlestone, oh dear :(

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-eyeing-55million-deal-5881948

Sinclair, Richards, Huddlestone - whoever is next David Bentley?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 15, 2015, 11:40:19 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on June 15, 2015, 11:34:24 PM

Tom Huddlestone, oh dear :(

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-eyeing-55million-deal-5881948

Sinclair, Richards, Huddlestone - whoever is next David Bentley?

it's only oh dear if you believe everything you read. Do you believe everything you read?

And what's wrong with Sinclair and Richards?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 15, 2015, 11:49:42 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 15, 2015, 11:40:19 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on June 15, 2015, 11:34:24 PM

Tom Huddlestone, oh dear :(

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-eyeing-55million-deal-5881948

Sinclair, Richards, Huddlestone - whoever is next David Bentley?

it's only oh dear if you believe everything you read. Do you believe everything you read?

And what's wrong with Sinclair and Richards?

It is a strange post. There isn't even a real link, they're not exactly all ex spurs. And we haven't got Huddle20stone.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on June 15, 2015, 11:54:16 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 15, 2015, 11:40:19 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on June 15, 2015, 11:34:24 PM

Tom Huddlestone, oh dear :(

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-eyeing-55million-deal-5881948

Sinclair, Richards, Huddlestone - whoever is next David Bentley?

it's only oh dear if you believe everything you read. Do you believe everything you read?

And what's wrong with Sinclair and Richards?

I'll assume the first was a rhetorical question

Richards has played 19 league games in three years, injury prone and was ghastly overrated to begin with. Senderos mark 2

Sinclair - see above bar the injury prone part he just took a well paid career break, has ability but not sure our Tim rates him

Huddlestone is somewhere between the two and his ineptitude was key to Hull getting relegated this term. another one paced plodder is the last thing we need in midfield considering we have the likes of Westwood, Sanchez and Gardner still on the books.

our Tim was quite friendly with the media during his internship at the hotspurs, I expect all our signings and departures to be well flagged this summer

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Risso on June 15, 2015, 11:57:59 PM

Just saw s link to a Fench site that said we were looking at a 21 year old full back from Nice called Amavi.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on June 15, 2015, 11:59:32 PM

Had a double-take at the £55 million in that link!

We had a couple of defenders from Southampton's academy last year  - and we just released one of them.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on June 16, 2015, 12:05:19 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 15, 2015, 11:19:11 PM

Funny he seemed from his profile to be set for major stardom and lost his way at Southampton. Lets hope he fulfils the potential here.

Linked in France with young left back Jordan Amavi. Seems to be pretty highly thought of but not keen on the move.

He's supposed to be a bit special, that would be a very good signing.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on June 16, 2015, 12:42:01 AM

Amavi would be a really good signing. Usually always gets singled out for praise by those who follow French football.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 16, 2015, 07:54:26 AM

Everton are buying deloefeu for £2m. Makes you think there must be better bargains abroad than Townsend for £15m.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 16, 2015, 07:57:02 AM

Michu's contract at Swansea hasn't got long to run, he'd be a decent buy. Whether or not he would come here...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 16, 2015, 09:16:22 AM

Quote from: TheMalandro on June 16, 2015, 07:57:02 AM

Michu's contract at Swansea hasn't got long to run, he'd be a decent buy. Whether or not he would come here...

All most players at other clubs are going to be aware of is our five years of drain-circling, it's gonna be a difficult summer no matter who we may try to bring in.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 16, 2015, 10:42:01 AM

Hasn't Michu been a complete waster since Laudrup went?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ryu on June 16, 2015, 11:15:46 AM

Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 15, 2015, 07:13:26 PM

I was watching the home nations games over the weekend, and I think it was the Northern Ireland game a bloke called Andone (if I remember correctly) came on and they spoke about Villa being interested apparently. Any ideas?

Edit: just looked. Old news from april.

I have no idea if it is him but Villa went to watch a Romanian striker who plays for Stuea who is from my girlfriend's home town, according to her dad.

Piping hot ITK straight from the oven there.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 16, 2015, 11:49:54 AM

Quote from: Ryu on June 16, 2015, 11:15:46 AM

Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 15, 2015, 07:13:26 PM

I was watching the home nations games over the weekend, and I think it was the Northern Ireland game a bloke called Andone (if I remember correctly) came on and they spoke about Villa being interested apparently. Any ideas?

Edit: just looked. Old news from april.

I have no idea if it is him but Villa went to watch a Romanian striker who plays for Stuea who is from my girlfriend's home town, according to her dad.

Piping hot ITK straight from the oven there.

Well it's a closer ITK than your cousin's ex's neighbour's dog groomer's postman's pen pal.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Smoke on June 16, 2015, 12:07:55 PM

Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 16, 2015, 11:49:54 AM

Quote from: Ryu on June 16, 2015, 11:15:46 AM

Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 15, 2015, 07:13:26 PM

I was watching the home nations games over the weekend, and I think it was the Northern Ireland game a bloke called Andone (if I remember correctly) came on and they spoke about Villa being interested apparently. Any ideas?

Edit: just looked. Old news from april.

I have no idea if it is him but Villa went to watch a Romanian striker who plays for Stuea who is from my girlfriend's home town, according to her dad.

Piping hot ITK straight from the oven there.

Well it's a closer ITK than your cousin's ex's neighbour's dog groomer's postman's pen pal.

You leave Scribbly Steve out of this, He did say don't shoot the messenger at the end after all.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Boz on June 16, 2015, 12:42:20 PM

Valentin Eyserric a mid fielder from Nice is another player we appear to be linked with. Perhaps this guy and Amavi could be a buy one get one free offer  :D

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on June 16, 2015, 01:09:37 PM

Our record with French players is pretty poor:

Six (other than 1 game), Ginola, Berson, Agathe, Pires, N'Zogbia, Cissokho + Sylla who is French/Malian.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on June 16, 2015, 01:33:06 PM

Quote from: Boz on June 16, 2015, 12:42:20 PM

Valentin Eyserric a mid fielder from Nice is another player we appear to be linked with. Perhaps this guy and Amavi could be a buy one get one free offer  :D

Link to the Monsieur Eyserric rumour:
http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2015/06/16/sl-report-villa-are-tracking-nice-midfielder-valenti/

He got a 13 game ban a couple of seasons ago for what was termed´a leg breaking tackle´.
........Godzvilla!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: FatSam on June 16, 2015, 01:49:52 PM

Aston Villa leading the race to sign Charlton's highly-rated midfielder Jordan Cousins with Liverpool and Newcastle keen (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3126287/Aston-Villa-leading-race-sign-Charlton-s-highly-rated-midfielder-Jordan-Cousins-Liverpool-Newcastle-keen.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490)

Aston Villa are leading a trio of Barclays Premier League clubs interested in highly-rated Charlton starlet Jordan Cousins.

Liverpool and Newcastle are also tracking the England U20 international, aware that he has only 12 months left on his contract at the Valley.

Villa have the edge because Tim Sherwood’s assistant Mark Robson has a long association with Charlton, where he played and coached in the academy for six years.

Robson, who also worked with England’s U17 team, is a big admirer of the 21-year-old who has become established as a first-team regular since scoring on his debut against Barnsley, two years ago.

Cousins has continued to make impressive progress, starting 44 games in the Championship last season as Charlton finished in a respectable mid-table position.

He scored three goals, and has been closely monitored by Premier League clubs, including Arsenal, who he supported as a boy.

The Londoner, born in Greenwich, has played through the age groups for England and scored on his debut for the U20 team, then coached by Gareth Southgate, in the Toulon tournament last summer.

He has played for much of last season on the left of midfield last season and has also played at the back in the youth team but is expected to develop into a strong central midfielder.

Charlton boss Guy Luzon will be desperate not to lose Cousins as he plans for next season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on June 16, 2015, 02:14:57 PM

Quote from: Tokyo Sexwhale on June 16, 2015, 01:09:37 PM

Our record with French players is pretty poor:

Six (other than 1 game), Ginola, Berson, Agathe, Pires, N'Zogbia, Cissokho + Sylla who is French/Malian.

All I remember about Berson is that he seemed to be constantly warming up along the touch line

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: MoetVillan on June 16, 2015, 04:06:05 PM

Habib Beye is technically French too if I remember (wasn't he born in France?).  He spent his time on the pitch warming down and thinking about how to spend all his wages.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on June 16, 2015, 04:11:10 PM

talkSport saying Trippier to Spuds for £3.5m, what happened to the Lowton swap?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard E on June 16, 2015, 04:14:21 PM

Quote from: villadelph on June 16, 2015, 04:11:10 PM

talkSport saying Trippier to Spuds for £3.5m, what happened to the Lowton swap?

Lowton to Burnley, Trippier to Spurs, Walker to Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on June 16, 2015, 04:16:40 PM

Quote from: Richard E on June 16, 2015, 04:14:21 PM

Quote from: villadelph on June 16, 2015, 04:11:10 PM

talkSport saying Trippier to Spuds for £3.5m, what happened to the Lowton swap?

Lowton to Burnley, Trippier to Spurs, Walker to Villa.

Wouldn't mind me some of that!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 16, 2015, 04:20:13 PM

Walker to Villa is a far better transfer than Trippier to Spurs in my view. Depending on price of course but a safer transfer for Villa than Spurs.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 16, 2015, 04:23:08 PM

What happened to Trippier wanting to stay in the Manchester area? Liverpool are supposedly interested to so if there's truth in the former, they might come in for him and him take that move instead.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: warleyboy on June 16, 2015, 04:28:55 PM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3126516/Tom-Huddleston-buys-Graeme-Swann-s-1m-home-Midlands-pave-Aston-Villa.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

Please God, NO........

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard E on June 16, 2015, 04:31:14 PM

Quote from: warleyboy on June 16, 2015, 04:28:55 PM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3126516/Tom-Huddleston-buys-Graeme-Swann-s-1m-home-Midlands-pave-Aston-Villa.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

Please God, NO........

'Just' 55 miles from Villa Park? Its not like he's moved in next door.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: warleyboy on June 16, 2015, 04:37:32 PM

Quote from: Richard E on June 16, 2015, 04:31:14 PM

Quote from: warleyboy on June 16, 2015, 04:28:55 PM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3126516/Tom-Huddleston-buys-Graeme-Swann-s-1m-home-Midlands-pave-Aston-Villa.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

Please God, NO........

'Just' 55 miles from Villa Park? Its not like he's moved in next door.

Way to close for comfort

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 16, 2015, 04:45:09 PM

Quote from: warleyboy on June 16, 2015, 04:28:55 PM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3126516/Tom-Huddleston-buys-Graeme-Swann-s-1m-home-Midlands-pave-Aston-Villa.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

Please God, NO........

Why exactly is "man from Nottingham buys house just outside Nottingham" a) news or b) any cause for concern for us?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 16, 2015, 04:47:26 PM

Quote from: warleyboy on June 16, 2015, 04:37:32 PM

Quote from: Richard E on June 16, 2015, 04:31:14 PM

Quote from: warleyboy on June 16, 2015, 04:28:55 PM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3126516/Tom-Huddleston-buys-Graeme-Swann-s-1m-home-Midlands-pave-Aston-Villa.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

Please God, NO........

'Just' 55 miles from Villa Park? Its not like he's moved in next door.

Way to close for comfort

It's still Greater Birmingham.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 16, 2015, 04:51:56 PM

If he's actually going to live there he could be signing for Leicester.

I have a friend in Caythorpe - its not where I'd expect a footballer to live. I'd class it as Newark too, but I guess estate agents wouldn't!


- Sorry my friend lives in Claypole.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 16, 2015, 05:01:33 PM

Leicester I hope

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on June 16, 2015, 05:21:02 PM

He could have brought for a family member.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: in exile on June 16, 2015, 05:21:23 PM

Walsall I hope

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on June 16, 2015, 05:25:00 PM

Quote from: MoetVillan on June 16, 2015, 04:06:05 PM

Habib Beye is technically French too if I remember (wasn't he born in France?).  He spent his time on the pitch warming down and thinking about how to spend all his wages.

Christ, it gets worse!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 16, 2015, 05:29:52 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on June 16, 2015, 05:01:33 PM

Leicester I hope

Despite my boring story above, it makes me think its less likely to be us. That's not a place I'd buy if I knew I was signing for a club in Birmingham. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 16, 2015, 05:34:50 PM

Has anyone stopped to think that house buying being what it is, he's likely to have begin this purchase before Hull were relegated and therefore while it was likely he wouldn't be moving at all? Either way, given the uncertain nature of football you wouldn't buy a house before there was the sniff of a move. As was said earlier, it's likely to be for someone else or as an investment.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Bully2345 on June 16, 2015, 05:37:15 PM

He also bought it months ago, well before they even got relegated so it's classic newspaper 2+2=transfer gossip

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 16, 2015, 05:42:06 PM

There's not much to go on so far but look at who there seems strength to the rumour - Richards, the French left back and then consider Cleverley and Sinclair. There's a profile emerging of him wanting to sign either young players or at least players who should still have a chunk of their career ahead of them. I wouldn't put Huddlestone in that category so either we're flat out not interested or it's a departure from the little we have.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 16, 2015, 05:55:59 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 16, 2015, 05:34:50 PM

As was said earlier, it's likely to be for someone else or as an investment.

Or he might still have lots of friends and family in the town that he spent his first 20 years and wants a place to stay there.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on June 16, 2015, 06:00:38 PM

Quote from: villadelph on June 16, 2015, 04:16:40 PM

Quote from: Richard E on June 16, 2015, 04:14:21 PM

Quote from: villadelph on June 16, 2015, 04:11:10 PM

talkSport saying Trippier to Spuds for £3.5m, what happened to the Lowton swap?

Lowton to Burnley, Trippier to Spurs, Walker to Villa.

Wouldn't mind me some of that!

Walker could end up at Man City or Chelsea as an English contingent boosting squad player

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mrastonvilla on June 16, 2015, 06:20:34 PM

Quote from: Dave on June 16, 2015, 05:55:59 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 16, 2015, 05:34:50 PM

As was said earlier, it's likely to be for someone else or as an investment.

Or he might still have lots of friends and family in the town that he spent his first 20 years and wants a place to stay there.

To be honest it's only an hour and a half from Hull

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 16, 2015, 06:44:03 PM

I've always liked Mohammed Diame. He does tend to be a bit injury prone though but he might score a few goals the way we play

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 16, 2015, 07:24:36 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 16, 2015, 05:34:50 PM

Has anyone stopped to think that house buying being what it is, he's likely to have begin this purchase before Hull were relegated and therefore while it was likely he wouldn't be moving at all? Either way, given the uncertain nature of football you wouldn't buy a house before there was the sniff of a move. As was said earlier, it's likely to be for someone else or as an investment.

I'm sorry but you're wrong Dave. He's signing for us, how low we have sunk, Randy/Faulkner/Fox out. We continue to be a laughing stock.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on June 16, 2015, 07:42:44 PM

I hope the Huddlestone link is true
I'd pick him over Cleverley and Westwood, so I see him as a player who would improve the side
Good passer, strong, reasonable shot, I reckon he would be a good fit for us right now
He is slow but so was Barry and he was one of the best players we have seen at VP for the last 15 years

People saying we could do better, oh really, what with some unknown player from abroad who we can take a punt on, like al ahmadi

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on June 16, 2015, 07:45:20 PM

Ive always rated Huddlestone very highly.

No doubt I am in a minority but there it is.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 16, 2015, 07:47:31 PM

His lack of pace is my biggest issue. You need it in the PL and while the Barry comparison has some merit, he doesn't have Barry's intelligence and vision. Barry while not quick had a quick mind and got rid of the ball quickly. It won't be the end of the world though if he did sign as some are making out.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on June 16, 2015, 07:55:05 PM

He's never been quick but, bare with me here, he looks good in a quick team, he sees runs early and has good passing tecnique to get the ball quickly to runners. Not sure if hes that much of an upgrade on Westwood and I think Sanchez has the ability to do the holding role well in his second season with an improved level of fitness that a pre-season will bring.

I like him, even though Id be surprised to see us go for him seeing as we have a limited budget and more pressing priorities.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 16, 2015, 07:58:53 PM

Truth is nobody actually knows what the budget is. Yes the club is being sold but the commitment always was to get wages in line and then spend within our means. Which essentially means responsibily or in other words not as wastefully as under MON. But how that translates to an actual number could be anything as a percentage of revenues which as we all know with the new TV deal should be good.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Bully2345 on June 16, 2015, 08:00:56 PM

I just don't rate Huddlestone. For a such a unit, he's incredibly soft in the challenge. I also remember him being dragged off early at Villa Park because of how anonymous he was

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 16, 2015, 08:06:21 PM

Quote from: Dave on June 16, 2015, 04:45:09 PM

Quote from: warleyboy on June 16, 2015, 04:28:55 PM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3126516/Tom-Huddleston-buys-Graeme-Swann-s-1m-home-Midlands-pave-Aston-Villa.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

Please God, NO........

Why exactly is "man from Nottingham buys house just outside Nottingham" a) news or b) any cause for concern for us?

That's what I'm clinging to.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on June 16, 2015, 08:14:59 PM

My issue with huddlestone isn't his lack of pace it's that he doesn't try to make up for up by always being on the move, his defensive workrate is appalling.  The decent shot thing is a bit of a myth as well, 20 goals in just short of 400 professional games  (so roughly 2-3 a season) does nothing to suggest he'd be a source of goals from midfield.

The key thing is that I want us to play quick crisp passing when we have the ball and aggressive 'pack mentality' closing down when we don't, when we've played that way under both Lambert and Sherwood we've looked a good side, when we start punting 50 yard passes to Benteke we look shit.  Getting someone who is marginally better at those passes seems like going completely the wrong direction.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on June 16, 2015, 08:40:26 PM

Meaning evil now reporting ,via the Mirror ( their Sister title? ) that we are chasing  Hull´s Robbie Brady. http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-targeting-hull-winger-9468917?
Prefer him to Huddlestone, tbh....... maybe its BOGOF deal ?!..................Godzvilla!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JJ-AV on June 16, 2015, 08:45:34 PM

I'd be happy enough with Huddlestone. He's probably better than what we have in the middle of the park, aside from Delph. Cheap, experienced and still got plenty of time left.

Delph, Westwood, Sanchez, Gardner and Herd are our only midfield players. Bacuna I suppose too, although Sherwood's never played him there.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: gervilla on June 16, 2015, 08:46:26 PM

Quote from: godzvilla on June 16, 2015, 08:40:26 PM

Meaning evil now reporting ,via the Mirror ( their Sister title? ) that we are chasing  Hull´s Robbie Brady. http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-targeting-hull-winger-9468917?
Prefer him to Huddlestone, tbh....... maybe its BOGOF deal ?!..................Godzvilla!

I wouldn't exactly be doing cartwheels if we signed Brady but I would prefer him to Huddlestone.
He "puts a shift in" and his delivery from set pieces is pretty good. Can play wide left and has been playing LB this season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on June 16, 2015, 09:05:11 PM

I agree that Huddlestone doesn't close down and lacks pace,
but we have had a bunch load of players who run around a lot but lack that bit of quality that Huddlestone has

we are not shopping here at Waitrose, so everything has to be viewed with that in mind,
we will all be able to think of better players but will they come to Villa and can we afford them is the question

a lack of pace in a player has never been a problem to me, I actually think to many prem players rely to much on pace to overcome there lack of awareness and vision

I'm not saying Huddlestone is going to be our new Pirlo, but at our level or the next level we want to play at Huddlestone could help us get there

that's if there is any truth on the link obvoiusly

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Concrete John on June 16, 2015, 09:16:09 PM

I just don't think Huddlestone is any improvement on Westwood, other than having a but more height.  Not sure what the finances of any deal would be, but I can't help feeling there would be better on the continent for the same money.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on June 16, 2015, 09:31:32 PM

Quote from: mrastonvilla on June 16, 2015, 06:20:34 PM

Quote from: Dave on June 16, 2015, 05:55:59 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 16, 2015, 05:34:50 PM

As was said earlier, it's likely to be for someone else or as an investment.

Or he might still have lots of friends and family in the town that he spent his first 20 years and wants a place to stay there.

To be honest it's only an hour and a half from Hull

It is also closer to Hull than Birmingham.  It's near Grantham and over 90 miles from Birmingham.  As others have said, not just a recent decision to buy.  All adds up to nothing to do with coming to Villa.  Doesn't mean that he won't but for other reasons.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 16, 2015, 09:33:03 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 16, 2015, 09:16:09 PM

I just don't think Huddlestone is any improvement on Westwood, other than having a but more height. 

That's the crux of it for me.  I don't think he justifies the financial out-lay for such a marginal improvement.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 16, 2015, 09:48:07 PM

Whilst I won't be popping open the champagne and doing cartwheels if Huddlestone signs, I do think he's an upgrade on Sanchez or westwood and if sherwood can get him playing to his max he's an asset. He has an array of passing and is good with a dead ball.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dekko on June 16, 2015, 09:53:23 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 16, 2015, 09:48:07 PM

Whilst I won't be popping open the champagne and doing cartwheels if Huddlestone signs, I do think he's an upgrade on Sanchez or westwood and if sherwood can get him playing to his max he's an asset. He has an array of passing and is good with a dead ball.

I agree.

Also given how inflated transfer fees are these days, 5.5million for a decent-but-not-great, experienced English player isn't too bad.

Assuming we sign him of course.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: manic-road on June 16, 2015, 09:55:26 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 16, 2015, 09:48:07 PM

Whilst I won't be popping open the champagne and doing cartwheels if Huddlestone signs, I do think he's an upgrade on Sanchez or westwood and if sherwood can get him playing to his max he's an asset. He has an array of passing and is good with a dead ball.

I'm not sure about Huddlestone, I don't think that he's an upgrade on Westwood either.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 16, 2015, 10:05:53 PM

Quote from: manic-road on June 16, 2015, 09:55:26 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 16, 2015, 09:48:07 PM

Whilst I won't be popping open the champagne and doing cartwheels if Huddlestone signs, I do think he's an upgrade on Sanchez or westwood and if sherwood can get him playing to his max he's an asset. He has an array of passing and is good with a dead ball.

I'm not sure about Huddlestone, I don't think that he's an upgrade on Westwood either.

Not being funny but westwood has had 2 full seasons to show he's PL level. He isn't.
Unless we want to keep flirting with relegation we need to upgrade these areas.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve kirk on June 16, 2015, 10:06:40 PM

Big Toms languid style of play doesn't get me to excited but maybe Delph and Westwood or another will do the donkey work allowing him to unlock opposition defences, experienced,  adds a bit of height to the midfield, all in all a half decent signing if it was to happen

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on June 16, 2015, 10:10:13 PM

He's not what we need.


Forget him, look elsewhere.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 16, 2015, 10:12:00 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 16, 2015, 09:33:03 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 16, 2015, 09:16:09 PM

I just don't think Huddlestone is any improvement on Westwood, other than having a but more height. 

That's the crux of it for me.  I don't think he justifies the financial out-lay for such a marginal improvement.

Totally agree. I thought he was cack last year. Would much rather replace  cleverley than get a minor upgrade on westwood.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 16, 2015, 10:13:58 PM

I spent most of last season getting told, by someone who watched them every week, that Huddlestone was amongst the worst, non-delivering players in an awful side.

I hope we're not signing him. I certainly can't imagine us paying actual real money, a fee, for him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on June 16, 2015, 10:19:07 PM

Quote from: Steve kirk on June 16, 2015, 10:06:40 PM

Big Toms languid style of play doesn't get me to excited but maybe Delph and Westwood or another will do the donkey work allowing him to unlock opposition defences, experienced,  adds a bit of height to the midfield, all in all a half decent signing if it was to happen

With the energy and tempo that Sherwood favours, I would suggest that what we need to unlock defences is quality crossing from wide areas and a quality 'No. 10' to use the current description for an advanced attacker that makes 'killer' passes.

Huddlestone in a deeper position with his languid style and Gerrard-esque quarterback passing will not deliver that (in my opinion). At his best, a better player than Westwood but far less likely to perform at an acceptable level on a regular basis - so the expected limited investment is better used elsewhere. UTV.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve R on June 16, 2015, 10:25:57 PM

Sherwood said he wanted winners. It would be a substantial u-turn if he then went and bought Huddlestone, the first minister of the comfort zone.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 16, 2015, 10:30:33 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 16, 2015, 10:05:53 PM

Quote from: manic-road on June 16, 2015, 09:55:26 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 16, 2015, 09:48:07 PM

Whilst I won't be popping open the champagne and doing cartwheels if Huddlestone signs, I do think he's an upgrade on Sanchez or westwood and if sherwood can get him playing to his max he's an asset. He has an array of passing and is good with a dead ball.

I'm not sure about Huddlestone, I don't think that he's an upgrade on Westwood either.

Not being funny but westwood has had 2 full seasons to show he's PL level. He isn't.
Unless we want to keep flirting with relegation we need to upgrade these areas.

And signing a player who was pretty shit in a side that didn't just flirt with relegation but went on several dates and ended up having lots of sex with it is an upgrade is it?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 16, 2015, 10:35:13 PM

If Huddlestone was a decent player, he'd have gone somewhere better than Hull when he left Spurs.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 16, 2015, 10:36:44 PM

Quote from: Dave on June 16, 2015, 10:30:33 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 16, 2015, 10:05:53 PM

Quote from: manic-road on June 16, 2015, 09:55:26 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 16, 2015, 09:48:07 PM

Whilst I won't be popping open the champagne and doing cartwheels if Huddlestone signs, I do think he's an upgrade on Sanchez or westwood and if sherwood can get him playing to his max he's an asset. He has an array of passing and is good with a dead ball.

I'm not sure about Huddlestone, I don't think that he's an upgrade on Westwood either.

Not being funny but westwood has had 2 full seasons to show he's PL level. He isn't.
Unless we want to keep flirting with relegation we need to upgrade these areas.

And signing a player who was pretty shit in a side that didn't just flirt with relegation but went on several dates and ended up having lots of sex with it is an upgrade is it?

Player for player yes.
Overall though I've already said I'd rather we didn't sign him.
What we must do though is sort centre mid out so that westwood and Sanchez no longer start games

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 16, 2015, 10:42:37 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 16, 2015, 10:36:44 PM

Quote from: Dave on June 16, 2015, 10:30:33 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 16, 2015, 10:05:53 PM

Quote from: manic-road on June 16, 2015, 09:55:26 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 16, 2015, 09:48:07 PM

Whilst I won't be popping open the champagne and doing cartwheels if Huddlestone signs, I do think he's an upgrade on Sanchez or westwood and if sherwood can get him playing to his max he's an asset. He has an array of passing and is good with a dead ball.

I'm not sure about Huddlestone, I don't think that he's an upgrade on Westwood either.

Not being funny but westwood has had 2 full seasons to show he's PL level. He isn't.
Unless we want to keep flirting with relegation we need to upgrade these areas.

And signing a player who was pretty shit in a side that didn't just flirt with relegation but went on several dates and ended up having lots of sex with it is an upgrade is it?

Player for player yes.
Overall though I've already said I'd rather we didn't sign him.
What we must do though is sort centre mid out so that westwood and Sanchez no longer start games

Probably. And signing inferior players like Huddlestone isn't really the right way to go about it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on June 16, 2015, 10:44:24 PM

I have to say, I can kind of see the logic in looking at Huddlestone, but certainly not at £5.5m, given that he's only got 1 year left on his contract.

For me, the biggest weakness in our midfield is their inability to keep the ball. Sure, we did it well against a few sides with their feet off the pedal at the end of the season, but then reverted to type against Southampton and Arsenal, at great cost. We had energy in abundance, but there's very little benefit to having 3 midfield players who close-down play quickly if none of them look after the ball once they've won it. In rugby, they often talk about 'in-game' management and it strikes me that we've had no one do this effectively since Petrov.

In the system that Sherwood seems to want to play- with a narrow midfield and 2 number 10s- I actually think Huddlestone COULD be very effective, in a similar role to what Barry's done at Everton for the past couple of seasons. I know he was largely poor last year, but Sherwood would back himself to get the best out of him, and would probably also look at the sporadic form of Carlos Sanchez and shy away from trying to unearth a hidden gem from abroad to fill a position that really needs experience and footballing intelligence. Look at how effective N'Zonzi is for Stoke, and he's equally as ineffective off the ball.

There. I've said it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 16, 2015, 10:45:09 PM

Good. We've agreed he's better than westwood .
But yes , let's hope sherwood has set his targets higher and the budget allows

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 16, 2015, 10:58:21 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 16, 2015, 10:45:09 PM

Good. We've agreed he's better than westwood .

No we haven't. The clue is where I said "inferior players like Huddlestone".  If we're going to get better then Westwood probably shouldn't be a first-choice player. But Huddlestone gives us nothing other than more midfielders who aren't quite good enough.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 16, 2015, 10:59:31 PM

Quote from: Dave on June 16, 2015, 10:58:21 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 16, 2015, 10:45:09 PM

Good. We've agreed he's better than westwood .

No we haven't. The clue is where I said "inferior players like Huddlestone".  If we're going to get better then Westwood probably shouldn't be a first-choice player. But Huddlestone gives us nothing other than more midfielders who aren't quite good enough.

He gives more than westwood though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 16, 2015, 11:05:54 PM

At his best Westwood is a candidate to play the holding role in an admittedly weak England side who can only find Wilshire and Carrick to play that role. His problem is that he doesn't play to that level often enough but that might be expected of his age. Hopefully he can start playing to that level more regularly.

We already have Westwood, Sanchez and Gardner though - we need to be adding someone more on par with Delph's level than theirs though and Huddlestone isn't that.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on June 16, 2015, 11:13:21 PM

Quote from: OCD on June 16, 2015, 11:05:54 PM

At his best Westwood is a candidate to play the holding role in an admittedly weak England side who can only find Wilshire and Carrick to play that role. His problem is that he doesn't play to that level often enough but that might be expected of his age. Hopefully he can start playing to that level more regularly.

We already have Westwood, Sanchez and Gardner though - we need to be adding someone more on par with Delph's level than theirs though and Huddlestone isn't that.

Westwood is neat and tidy with the ball but is too one dimensional.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 16, 2015, 11:21:38 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 16, 2015, 10:59:31 PM

Quote from: Dave on June 16, 2015, 10:58:21 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 16, 2015, 10:45:09 PM

Good. We've agreed he's better than westwood .

No we haven't. The clue is where I said "inferior players like Huddlestone".  If we're going to get better then Westwood probably shouldn't be a first-choice player. But Huddlestone gives us nothing other than more midfielders who aren't quite good enough.

He gives more than westwood though.

He didn't for Hull last season, did he?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 16, 2015, 11:32:41 PM

Quote from: SheffieldVillain on June 16, 2015, 11:21:38 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 16, 2015, 10:59:31 PM

Quote from: Dave on June 16, 2015, 10:58:21 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 16, 2015, 10:45:09 PM

Good. We've agreed he's better than westwood .

No we haven't. The clue is where I said "inferior players like Huddlestone".  If we're going to get better then Westwood probably shouldn't be a first-choice player. But Huddlestone gives us nothing other than more midfielders who aren't quite good enough.

He gives more than westwood though.

He didn't for Hull last season, did he?

I don't think that's the point,

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on June 17, 2015, 12:51:50 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 16, 2015, 11:32:41 PM

Quote from: SheffieldVillain on June 16, 2015, 11:21:38 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 16, 2015, 10:59:31 PM

Quote from: Dave on June 16, 2015, 10:58:21 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 16, 2015, 10:45:09 PM

Good. We've agreed he's better than westwood .

No we haven't. The clue is where I said "inferior players like Huddlestone".  If we're going to get better then Westwood probably shouldn't be a first-choice player. But Huddlestone gives us nothing other than more midfielders who aren't quite good enough.

He gives more than westwood though.

He didn't for Hull last season, did he?

I don't think that's the point,

No, it's the complete fucking point, because you have to go on the basis of what have you done for me lately. He spent all season being a massively useless twat for a team who got relegated. How is that "giving more than Westwood"? Sure, Westwood wasn't all that much better, but it simply speaks of how little Huddlestone gives you when he isn't in the mood.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: CT Villan on June 17, 2015, 03:05:19 AM

If Huddlestone is the answer, then the question must surely be...
Whose the one player that should never play for Villa !

I'm nervous that Timmy thinks he can resurrect another Spurs career, a la Adebeyour, but clearly (to us anyway) Huddlestone is too far gone to be saved.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 17, 2015, 06:37:35 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 16, 2015, 10:45:09 PM

Good. We've agreed he's better than westwood .
But yes , let's hope sherwood has set his targets higher and the budget allows

Our priority should be a replacement for Cleverly not a marginally better/worse (depending in your opinion) replacement for Westwood.

Personally I think Westwood is a better player, more mobile and has the ability to graft and play in our high energy pressing/buzzing style.  The Hud cannot play in this system and I think his MOTD highlights reel hides the fact that he is often not involved in games at all.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 17, 2015, 06:41:27 AM

Quote from: passitsideways on June 17, 2015, 12:51:50 AM

No, it's the complete fucking point, because you have to go on the basis of what have you done for me lately. He spent all season being a massively useless twat for a team who got relegated. How is that "giving more than Westwood"? Sure, Westwood wasn't all that much better, but it simply speaks of how little Huddlestone gives you when he isn't in the mood.

It is very close whether he is better or worse than Westwood and I don't think anyone could categorically call it either way.  What is substantially different is the wages each earn.  I'd guess the Hud is probably on double what Westwood earns and we also have the under used Sanchez in the squad too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 17, 2015, 07:35:37 AM

The only way we should be looking at Huddlestone is if the North Stand redevelopment is going ahead and we're lacking a decent foundation stone.  That kind of job would suit his mobility.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Damo70 on June 17, 2015, 08:51:05 AM

I think Huddlestone is decent enough. No world beater but decent enough. But he was poor last season and didn't play to anywhere near his best, like a number of Hull players.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: in exile on June 17, 2015, 08:56:23 AM

No way is he going to improve us - simple as

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 17, 2015, 09:40:09 AM

Acctually hud as a deep lying attacking defender would be interesting. As a sweeper played him  in back three then that's a creative expression of his talents. Leave the other central deenders either side

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 17, 2015, 09:42:11 AM

Huddlestone in a back three is not a very good idea at all and a scary one.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 17, 2015, 09:43:39 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 17, 2015, 09:40:09 AM

Acctually hud as a deep lying attacking defender would be interesting. As a sweeper played him  in back three then that's a creative expression of his talents. Leave the other central deenders either side

Wouldn't he end up playing people onside all the time ?
For me he's more a centre mid player a bit like Jan Molby was , good passer and vision .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 17, 2015, 09:51:54 AM

Yes deep lying defence would have this offside issue. The alternative to a higher line that pushes up. But say having hud there to ping passes out would be more effective than game passing him by in midfield. I think he's actually played in defence too? I wouldn't trust in a two even if deep but three and him as spare man say Richards/okra and Clarke/baker either side. Westy then keeps his position gards can be in there with delph. Get Phillips qpr before baggies do for say £5 mil plus nzog or something. Add in Bamford or drogba as falcao at Chelsea along with Wilson from man u then that's lovely

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 17, 2015, 09:58:48 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 17, 2015, 09:51:54 AM

Yes deep lying defence would have this offside issue. The alternative to a higher line that pushes up. But say having hud there to ping passes out would be more effective than game passing him by in midfield. I think he's actually played in defence too? I wouldn't trust in a two even if deep but three and him as spare man say Richards/okra and Clarke/baker either side. Westy then keeps his position gards can be in there with delph. Get Phillips qpr before baggies do for say £5 mil plus nzog or something. Add in Bamford or drogba as falcao at Chelsea along with Wilson from man u then that's lovely

You're suggesting we sign Matt Phillips for £5m and give them N'Zogbia?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Broadlee on June 17, 2015, 10:25:09 AM

I don't usually reply to posts i enjoy (sometimes) reading the views of you passionate guys.
The point i am about to make surrounds Tom Cleverly and Tim Sherwood / K Mac
The Cleverly player I watched prior to TS  joining was poor, he got ripped apart on here for playing, well as Huddlestone has been described. basically poor....The transformation of several players in a short time gives encouragement that both TS and K Mac can manage and coach the best from that available. Long may that continue.
If TS has chosen to acquire Tom Huddlestone then give the man some credit in his ability to spot a players strengths and weaknesses and knows whether that player has what he wants for his team.
its obvious that AV cannot shop around at the Harrods level for players, we cannot buy titles and cups like our so called Top 4. the next best thing is to have a team of known ability in key areas and experiment with younger talent around the fringes hoping that a diamond will emerge.
At £5 million I think Hull are hoping someone will pay that but I doubt AV would offer that sum, more like 2 to 3.
I hope TS chooses well, at the moment I see him looking at people he believes he can trust to do a job. Too many at Wembley didn't.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 17, 2015, 10:32:01 AM

Quote from: Broadlee on June 17, 2015, 10:25:09 AM

I don't usually reply to posts i enjoy (sometimes) reading the views of you passionate guys.
The point i am about to make surrounds Tom Cleverly and Tim Sherwood / K Mac
The Cleverly player I watched prior to TS  joining was poor, he got ripped apart on here for playing, well as Huddlestone gas been described. basically poor....The transformation of several players in a short time gives encouragement that both TS and K Mac can manage and coach the best from that available. Long may that continue.
If TS has chosen to acquire Tom Huddlestone then give the man some credit in his ability to spot a players strengths and weaknesses and knows whether that player has what he wants for his team.
its obvious that AV cannot shop around at the Harrods level for players, we cannot buy titles and cups like our so called Top 4. the next best thing is to have a team of known ability in key areas and experiment with younger talent around the fringes hoping that a diamond will emerge.
At £5 million I think Hull are hoping someone will pay that but I doubt AV would offer that sum, more like 2 to 3.
I hope TS chooses well, at the moment I see him looking at people he believes he can trust to do a job. Too many at Wembley didn't.

Great post  and reasoning. Post more!!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 17, 2015, 10:36:39 AM

Quote from: Clampy on June 17, 2015, 09:58:48 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 17, 2015, 09:51:54 AM

Yes deep lying defence would have this offside issue. The alternative to a higher line that pushes up. But say having hud there to ping passes out would be more effective than game passing him by in midfield. I think he's actually played in defence too? I wouldn't trust in a two even if deep but three and him as spare man say Richards/okra and Clarke/baker either side. Westy then keeps his position gards can be in there with delph. Get Phillips qpr before baggies do for say £5 mil plus nzog or something. Add in Bamford or drogba as falcao at Chelsea along with Wilson from man u then that's lovely

You're suggesting we sign Matt Phillips for £5m and give them N'Zogbia?

Ok sounds far fetched to you? The suggestion is based on wba supposed linkage at 7mil. Nzogbia at 2 to 2.5 mil is how I see his value. That's decreasing. Plus will be off wage bill. Matty Phillips assist machine is up and coming can play wide as well as off front man. Pacey and plays both wings. To me bringing this guy in fir inconsistent nzogbia,did it at Wigan no where else, would be good business.

I imagine we disagree on value of nzogbia rather than Phillips undoubted qualities. Check out matt Phillips. Stats as well as performing well in a losing team. Shows character and that's what we need.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on June 17, 2015, 10:36:55 AM

One thing that needs to be noted too - whatever amount of money there is available (disregarding any potential sale of Benteke), Sherwood would have been hoping to have been able to spend on simply improving the squad he inherited. He now finds himself in the likely position of having to stretch it to replace Vlaar and Cleverley, against his wishes. IN terms of transfer-fees, we're realistically looking at circa £15m to adequately replace the 2 of them, which is probably why we're now being linked with less expensive signings in other areas.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 17, 2015, 10:39:43 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 17, 2015, 10:36:39 AM

Quote from: Clampy on June 17, 2015, 09:58:48 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 17, 2015, 09:51:54 AM

Yes deep lying defence would have this offside issue. The alternative to a higher line that pushes up. But say having hud there to ping passes out would be more effective than game passing him by in midfield. I think he's actually played in defence too? I wouldn't trust in a two even if deep but three and him as spare man say Richards/okra and Clarke/baker either side. Westy then keeps his position gards can be in there with delph. Get Phillips qpr before baggies do for say £5 mil plus nzog or something. Add in Bamford or drogba as falcao at Chelsea along with Wilson from man u then that's lovely

You're suggesting we sign Matt Phillips for £5m and give them N'Zogbia?

Ok sounds far fetched to you? The suggestion is based on wba supposed linkage at 7mil. Nzogbia at 2 to 2.5 mil is how I see his value. That's decreasing. Plus will be off wage bill. Matty Phillips assist machine is up and coming can play wide as well as off front man. Pacey and plays both wings. To me bringing this guy in fir inconsistent nzogbia,did it at Wigan no where else, would be good business.

I imagine we disagree on value of nzogbia rather than Phillips undoubted qualities. Check out matt Phillips. Stats as well as performing well in a losing team. Shows character and that's what we need.

Like you said, £7m is a supposed value. He's not worth that at all. Paying QPR money for him and giving them one of our players is just madness. It wouldn't surprise me if he didn't move at all.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 17, 2015, 10:49:57 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 17, 2015, 09:51:54 AM

Yes deep lying defence would have this offside issue. The alternative to a higher line that pushes up. But say having hud there to ping passes out would be more effective than game passing him by in midfield.

"The offside issue" isn't really something to just brush under the carpet. It's the reason why nobody has tried playing with a sweeper for around 25 years.

If we decide to start doing it and use Huddlestone there, we would be ripped apart.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 17, 2015, 10:53:19 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 17, 2015, 10:36:39 AM

Ok sounds far fetched to you? The suggestion is based on wba supposed linkage at 7mil. Nzogbia at 2 to 2.5 mil is how I see his value. That's decreasing. Plus will be off wage bill.

Why would N'Zogbia agree to this? Why would he want to drop down a division and presumably take a much lower salary than we would be paying him next season?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on June 17, 2015, 11:11:49 AM

£7m for Matt Phillips is probably a very realistic value. QPR paid £5m for him, and his contract runs until June 2017. At 24, he’s 5 years younger than N’Zogbia and recorded 3 goals and 8 assists last season (in 25 games), against CNZ’s 0 goals and 2 assists (in 27 games). With the money floating around the Premiership at the moment, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if somebody came in and pad £7m or more for Phillips this summer. On the other hand, I’d be amazed if somebody came in and offered us more than £2million for N’Zogbia.

As for a switch to QPR, N’Zogbia’s always struck me as somebody who’s off field lifestyle was equally important as his playing career. Therefore I’d imagine London would be a big draw. He’ll also realise that he’s unlikely to win a new contract at Villa after this year, so a 2/3 year contract, albeit on a reduced wage, might be a feasible proposition.

I’m not saying it’s likely to happen, but it’s certainly not the most outlandish suggestion on this thread!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Boz on June 17, 2015, 12:01:24 PM

Quote from: CT Villan on June 17, 2015, 03:05:19 AM

If Huddlestone is the answer, then the question must surely be...
Whose the one player that should never play for Villa !

I'm nervous that Timmy thinks he can resurrect another Spurs career, a la Adebeyour, but clearly (to us anyway) Huddlestone is too far gone to be saved.

Totally agree, Huddlestone is a massive step backwards.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 17, 2015, 02:47:35 PM

Quote from: Boz on June 17, 2015, 12:01:24 PM

Quote from: CT Villan on June 17, 2015, 03:05:19 AM

If Huddlestone is the answer, then the question must surely be...
Whose the one player that should never play for Villa !

I'm nervous that Timmy thinks he can resurrect another Spurs career, a la Adebeyour, but clearly (to us anyway) Huddlestone is too far gone to be saved.

Totally agree, Huddlestone is a massive step backwards.

I wouldn't say he would be a massive 'step backwards' from Westwood and Sanchez.  If we sold one of those two and brought him in for a similar price, I don't think it would be the worst piece of business we have ever done.   

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on June 17, 2015, 02:50:47 PM

I don't think Huddlestone's that good, but reading this makes it looks like we're after a Sunday League player.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on June 17, 2015, 03:00:02 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 17, 2015, 11:11:49 AM

£7m for Matt Phillips is probably a very realistic value. QPR paid £5m for him, and his contract runs until June 2017. At 24, he’s 5 years younger than N’Zogbia and recorded 3 goals and 8 assists last season (in 25 games), against CNZ’s 0 goals and 2 assists (in 27 games). With the money floating around the Premiership at the moment, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if somebody came in and pad £7m or more for Phillips this summer. On the other hand, I’d be amazed if somebody came in and offered us more than £2million for N’Zogbia.

As for a switch to QPR, N’Zogbia’s always struck me as somebody who’s off field lifestyle was equally important as his playing career. Therefore I’d imagine London would be a big draw. He’ll also realise that he’s unlikely to win a new contract at Villa after this year, so a 2/3 year contract, albeit on a reduced wage, might be a feasible proposition.

I’m not saying it’s likely to happen, but it’s certainly not the most outlandish suggestion on this thread!

Exactly my thoughts on Phillips and NZog - I'd welcome a deal that sent each in the opposite direction.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 17, 2015, 03:32:06 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 17, 2015, 03:00:02 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 17, 2015, 11:11:49 AM

£7m for Matt Phillips is probably a very realistic value. QPR paid £5m for him, and his contract runs until June 2017. At 24, he’s 5 years younger than N’Zogbia and recorded 3 goals and 8 assists last season (in 25 games), against CNZ’s 0 goals and 2 assists (in 27 games). With the money floating around the Premiership at the moment, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if somebody came in and pad £7m or more for Phillips this summer. On the other hand, I’d be amazed if somebody came in and offered us more than £2million for N’Zogbia.

As for a switch to QPR, N’Zogbia’s always struck me as somebody who’s off field lifestyle was equally important as his playing career. Therefore I’d imagine London would be a big draw. He’ll also realise that he’s unlikely to win a new contract at Villa after this year, so a 2/3 year contract, albeit on a reduced wage, might be a feasible proposition.

I’m not saying it’s likely to happen, but it’s certainly not the most outlandish suggestion on this thread!

Exactly my thoughts on Phillips and NZog - I'd welcome a deal that sent each in the opposite direction.

Now that's slightly different. Paying £5m on top of that is just a mad idea.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 17, 2015, 03:55:07 PM

Is N'zogbia not out of contract?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard E on June 17, 2015, 04:00:04 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on June 17, 2015, 03:55:07 PM

Is N'zogbia not out of contract?

No, he is not.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 17, 2015, 04:00:17 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on June 17, 2015, 03:55:07 PM

Is N'zogbia not out of contract?

unfortunately he's still on the books

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 17, 2015, 04:13:59 PM

Fuck sake, was looking forward to the end of him

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on June 17, 2015, 04:33:32 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on June 17, 2015, 04:13:59 PM

Fuck sake, was looking forward to the end of him

1 more year before that particular party I'm afraid.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 17, 2015, 04:37:07 PM

N'ZONZI REJECTS STOKE DEAL

Steven N'Zonzi has turned down Stoke's offer of a new deal and because he wants to quit the Britannia, according to the Daily Mirror.

N'Zonzi has just one year left on his current deal and the Potters are keen to tie him to a longer contract but the midfielder is keen to move away in order to enhance his chances of playing for France at next year’s European Championships.

Now that would be an upgrade imho. Whether he'd want to come is moot, but you never know.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard E on June 17, 2015, 04:38:07 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on June 17, 2015, 04:37:07 PM

N'ZONZI REJECTS STOKE DEAL

Steven N'Zonzi has turned down Stoke's offer of a new deal and because he wants to quit the Britannia, according to the Daily Mirror.

N'Zonzi has just one year left on his current deal and the Potters are keen to tie him to a longer contract but the midfielder is keen to move away in order to enhance his chances of playing for France at next year’s European Championships.

Now that would be an upgrade imho. Whether he'd want to come is moot, but you never know.

Now you're talking.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 17, 2015, 04:56:43 PM

A couple of years ago another poster wanted us to sign N'Zonzi and everyone said how shit he is.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 17, 2015, 04:57:19 PM

I think Nzogbia is my least favourite villa player ever

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 17, 2015, 05:04:17 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on June 17, 2015, 04:57:19 PM

I think Nzogbia is my least favourite villa player ever

I know N'Zogbia is my least favourite villa player ever.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 17, 2015, 05:13:40 PM

Quote from: OCD on June 17, 2015, 04:56:43 PM

A couple of years ago another poster wanted us to sign N'Zonzi and everyone said how shit he is.

That was me!

Edit: I didn't have the balls to have conviction with the suggestion though. I kind of knew it would get panned.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 17, 2015, 05:26:37 PM

Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on June 17, 2015, 05:04:17 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on June 17, 2015, 04:57:19 PM

I think Nzogbia is my least favourite villa player ever

I know N'Zogbia is my least favourite villa player ever.

Arrogant waste of talent

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eamonn on June 17, 2015, 05:27:29 PM

Natty dresser though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 17, 2015, 05:34:26 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on June 17, 2015, 05:26:37 PM

Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on June 17, 2015, 05:04:17 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on June 17, 2015, 04:57:19 PM

I think Nzogbia is my least favourite villa player ever

I know N'Zogbia is my least favourite villa player ever.

Arrogant waste of talent

Not sure he's arrogant. He strikes me as half arsed. In all my years watching football I've never known a winger so reluctant to cross a ball.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 17, 2015, 05:39:21 PM

Yeah N'Zonzi we should have signed 3 year ago off Blackburn. Oh well, let's do it now.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: warleyboy on June 17, 2015, 05:51:22 PM

N'zonzi would be a great signing and someone TS would be interested in.
Honestly cannot see him wanting to come, he isn't happy with stokes ambitions, can see him looking for some Europa action.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 17, 2015, 06:01:37 PM

Quote from: warleyboy on June 17, 2015, 05:51:22 PM

N'zonzi would be a great signing and someone TS would be interested in.
Honestly cannot see him wanting to come, he isn't happy with stokes ambitions, can see him looking for some Europa action.

Stoke is a small club though, villa size wise would be s step up and he may want to play under sherwood (tenuous Blackburn connections ?)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on June 17, 2015, 07:15:45 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 16, 2015, 10:35:13 PM

If Huddlestone was a decent player, he'd have gone somewhere better than Hull when he left Spurs.

To be fair, he was decent as was Curtis Davies when they first went to Hull, Bruce was bigging them up for England call ups.

I recall around that time that Delph totally dominated Huddlestone in a game, its fair to say the career paths of both have taken differing paths in the 12 months since.

Hull fans would be scathing of the contributions of the likes of Huddlestone last season, is he the type of character we need in the bottom half of the league next season? As for his attributes, big but doesnt offer a physical presence, decent shot but rarely scores, slower probably than the likes of Sanchez, Westwood and Gardner. Exactly the player we should be avoiding like the plague imo.

Robbie Earle made a decent point last term that our squad has a suspicious retirement home look to it - adding the likes of Richards, Sinclair and Huddlestone to that motley crew is a bad idea imo. No harm to have some experienced pros in the squad in their career departure lounges but we have too many currently.

Re Robbie Brady, certainly has ability and did well to displace the highly rated Robertson in an unfamiliar position for him at Hull last term. Fine left foot and has the potential to improve. The problem with him is that he has always had the potential to improve (Ireland/Man Utd youths etc) but Id question whether he has the desire or temperament to really do it. Still at a reasonable price would be worth a punt I feel as an improvement on Nzogbia, Tonev et al. Even though MON has him playing left back for Ireland, I dont think he has a future in that position to be honest. When Stephen Ward is the only competition its not much of an honour.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 17, 2015, 07:24:32 PM

Why is Richards signing adding to  The "retirement home feel" of the squad. He's 26 and with a little bit of luck has his best years (performance wise) right ahead of him. It's not like we've gone and signed Wes Brown on free😜

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Louzie0 on June 17, 2015, 07:25:32 PM

Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 17, 2015, 05:13:40 PM

Quote from: OCD on June 17, 2015, 04:56:43 PM

A couple of years ago another poster wanted us to sign N'Zonzi and everyone said how shit he is.

That was me!

Edit: I didn't have the balls to have conviction with the suggestion though. I kind of knew it would get panned.

Quote from: eamonn on June 17, 2015, 05:27:29 PM

Natty dresser though.

Edgy has always kept up the sartorial standards for Villa fans.


Edit...

Reading through the thread, I thought this was a comment about edgy satsuma and only just realised it was a reference to N'zog's totally frightening suit, picked up in Dubai market.

I stand by my comment re. Edgy, though.
Even though I've never met him. He posts like a well turned out member of the Villa fraternity.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on June 17, 2015, 07:26:48 PM

It would be great to see Villa sign a midfielder with a physical presence, even if not as a starter. The current squad lacks that option.

Hitz in his early days when he just shot on sight and kicked people should be the type of player to look for

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Louzie0 on June 17, 2015, 07:35:06 PM

Yes, UKRedsox, I'd rather like us to sign one of those exciting players this time round as well.

One you keep shouting, 'shooooot' to would be great!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on June 17, 2015, 07:45:46 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on June 17, 2015, 07:24:32 PM

Why is Richards signing adding to  The "retirement home feel" of the squad. He's 26 and with a little bit of luck has his best years (performance wise) right ahead of him. It's not like we've gone and signed Wes Brown on free😜

19 league games in 3 years maybe suggests he isnt as bothered about his career as he should be, file under Sinclair, Scott...

think there is far more of a chance of his contract being an expensive liability than an asset for us

hope to be proven wrong of course

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Walmley_Villa on June 17, 2015, 07:55:01 PM

Yes please to Nzonzi

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 17, 2015, 07:58:08 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on June 17, 2015, 07:45:46 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on June 17, 2015, 07:24:32 PM

Why is Richards signing adding to  The "retirement home feel" of the squad. He's 26 and with a little bit of luck has his best years (performance wise) right ahead of him. It's not like we've gone and signed Wes Brown on free😜

19 league games in 3 years maybe suggests he isnt as bothered about his career as he should be, file under Sinclair, Scott...

think there is far more of a chance of his contract being an expensive liability than an asset for us

hope to be proven wrong of course

I think you might be on this one, Bronty, at least in terms of his attitude. From everything I've read about him he lives, breathes and farts football.

I worry far more about Sinclair who I think will get very frustrated when he's not even making the bench next season despite all the chances he's given.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 17, 2015, 08:22:37 PM

Quote from: Louzie0Tim on June 17, 2015, 07:25:32 PM

Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 17, 2015, 05:13:40 PM

Quote from: OCD on June 17, 2015, 04:56:43 PM

A couple of years ago another poster wanted us to sign N'Zonzi and everyone said how shit he is.

That was me!

Edit: I didn't have the balls to have conviction with the suggestion though. I kind of knew it would get panned.

Quote from: eamonn on June 17, 2015, 05:27:29 PM

Natty dresser though.

Edgy has always kept up the sartorial standards for Villa fans.


Edit...

Reading through the thread, I thought this was a comment about edgy satsuma and only just realised it was a reference to N'zog's totally frightening suit, picked up in Dubai market.

I stand by my comment re. Edgy, though.
Even though I've never met him. He posts like a well turned out member of the Villa fraternity.

Thank you Louzie. It depends when you catch me. I range from the dapper, to the tramp. I'm not dressing up to go to me nans!

I agree about the Zog. No idea if he's arrogant but he's definitely half-arsed.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 17, 2015, 09:18:49 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on June 17, 2015, 07:45:46 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on June 17, 2015, 07:24:32 PM

Why is Richards signing adding to  The "retirement home feel" of the squad. He's 26 and with a little bit of luck has his best years (performance wise) right ahead of him. It's not like we've gone and signed Wes Brown on free😜

19 league games in 3 years maybe suggests he isnt as bothered about his career as he should be, file under Sinclair, Scott...

think there is far more of a chance of his contract being an expensive liability than an asset for us

hope to be proven wrong of course

Apart from the fact that he went to Italy to play for a season to get game time, only to find that Fiorentina switched from 433 to 352 just after he'd arrived and found himself pretty much surplus to requirements apart from playing on the right of the 3 in Europa league games and covering for injuries.

My biggest concern is he's not proven his fitness since injury, but it's no disgrace being kept out of the team by Zabaleta, and especially the first year back after his knee injury, it's understandable he'd want to try and fight for his place.

When this was floated as a suggestion on this thread, way before the end of last season, I was, at best, sceptical because:
1. At the time I thought he was closer to 30, given how long he's been around
2. The pattern of lack of games over the period suggesting either a) can't be bothered or b) not over knee injury.

The more I've thought about it the more I'm coming around to it as
1. At 26 he should still have his best years ahead of him if he can find any semblance of the fitness and form he showed as a youngster
2. Looking at the actual pattern of what he's been through the last three years
2012/13 season.  Started as first choice. Injured in autumn - Lost place to Zabaleta
2013/14 season. Found himself behind Zabaleta and couldn't win place back
2014/15 season Chose to go on loan to Fiorentina when obvious he was going to be behind both Zabaleta and Sagna.

Particularly last season to me says not someone who's happy to just sit back and pick up the wages.

Not really his fault they changes their system to 3 at the back after a handful of games, and he's no wing-back.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: manic-road on June 17, 2015, 09:19:02 PM

Quote from: warleyboy on June 17, 2015, 05:51:22 PM

N'zonzi would be a great signing and someone TS would be interested in.
Honestly cannot see him wanting to come, he isn't happy with stokes ambitions, can see him looking for some Europa action.

How do you know TS would be interested in him? Has he publicly stated that?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dekko on June 17, 2015, 09:33:07 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on June 17, 2015, 07:45:46 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on June 17, 2015, 07:24:32 PM

Why is Richards signing adding to  The "retirement home feel" of the squad. He's 26 and with a little bit of luck has his best years (performance wise) right ahead of him. It's not like we've gone and signed Wes Brown on free😜

19 league games in 3 years maybe suggests he isnt as bothered about his career as he should be, file under Sinclair, Scott...

think there is far more of a chance of his contract being an expensive liability than an asset for us

hope to be proven wrong of course

Villa in Denmark already beat me to it but I'd like to add that Richards also turned down an offer of a new contract (with pay rise) last season so I'm really not seeing how this is remotely similar to Scott Sinclair's situation.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on June 17, 2015, 09:55:43 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on June 17, 2015, 09:18:49 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on June 17, 2015, 07:45:46 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on June 17, 2015, 07:24:32 PM

Why is Richards signing adding to  The "retirement home feel" of the squad. He's 26 and with a little bit of luck has his best years (performance wise) right ahead of him. It's not like we've gone and signed Wes Brown on free😜

19 league games in 3 years maybe suggests he isnt as bothered about his career as he should be, file under Sinclair, Scott...

think there is far more of a chance of his contract being an expensive liability than an asset for us

hope to be proven wrong of course

Apart from the fact that he went to Italy to play for a season to get game time, only to find that Fiorentina switched from 433 to 352 just after he'd arrived and found himself pretty much surplus to requirements apart from playing on the right of the 3 in Europa league games and covering for injuries.

My biggest concern is he's not proven his fitness since injury, but it's no disgrace being kept out of the team by Zabaleta, and especially the first year back after his knee injury, it's understandable he'd want to try and fight for his place.

When this was floated as a suggestion on this thread, way before the end of last season, I was, at best, sceptical because:
1. At the time I thought he was closer to 30, given how long he's been around
2. The pattern of lack of games over the period suggesting either a) can't be bothered or b) not over knee injury.

The more I've thought about it the more I'm coming around to it as
1. At 26 he should still have his best years ahead of him if he can find any semblance of the fitness and form he showed as a youngster
2. Looking at the actual pattern of what he's been through the last three years
2012/13 season.  Started as first choice. Injured in autumn - Lost place to Zabaleta
2013/14 season. Found himself behind Zabaleta and couldn't win place back
2014/15 season Chose to go on loan to Fiorentina when obvious he was going to be behind both Zabaleta and Sagna.

Particularly last season to me says not someone who's happy to just sit back and pick up the wages.

Not really his fault they changes their system to 3 at the back after a handful of games, and he's no wing-back.

I suspect our Tim is looking to go three at the back next season, certainly Richards seems to have been told he will be at centre back. Why wouldnt wing back suit him, at his best surely he would be ideally suited to such a role? Fiorentina are no world beaters either lets be honest. The last few times I saw him play for City he was laughably bad and looked like he was on the same diet as Gabby.

We seem to have got rid of Vlaar off the books. We still have the likes of Senderos and Baker who are injured more often than they are fit. The last thing we should be doing is handing out four year contracts for the reported wages to the likes of Micah Richards. A player who hasnt played at centre half in a number of years dont forget. This has disaster spelled all over it imo.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 17, 2015, 09:58:36 PM

Richards: goes to Italy to try and play first team football "interested in sitting on his arse".

Dunne: Has a "poorly shoulder" *wink wink* for twelve months, not lifting a chubby finger but to count his kings ransom? Gets defended to the hilt.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 17, 2015, 10:10:17 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on June 17, 2015, 04:37:07 PM

N'ZONZI REJECTS STOKE DEAL

Steven N'Zonzi has turned down Stoke's offer of a new deal and because he wants to quit the Britannia, according to the Daily Mirror.

N'Zonzi has just one year left on his current deal and the Potters are keen to tie him to a longer contract but the midfielder is keen to move away in order to enhance his chances of playing for France at next year’s European Championships.

Now that would be an upgrade imho. Whether he'd want to come is moot, but you never know.

Exactly what I suggested nzonzi in the eleven I was forthcoming with. Good to others rate him too. I like his physicality and energy sco?resca cheeky goal oir two. Improved his discpiline. I was aware of his contract so that's can do suggesting him

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve R on June 17, 2015, 10:15:24 PM

NZogbia is Clouseau to my Inspector Dreyfus. Every time he goes near the ball my eye twitches and I start thinking ray guns.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 17, 2015, 10:16:04 PM

I'll skip the quotathon

Why do you think we'll go 3 at the back next season? Nothing Sherwood did with us, or with Spurs hinted at 3 at the back being a long term option as far as I can recall.
Wing back wouldn't suit him as there (if done properly) the onus is on attacking and tracking back when needed.  Richards is first and foremost a defender, albeit from the responses on the Blue Moon board, okayish going forwards, but relying more on speed and physique than technique.

Fiorentina - can't comment.  Saw a few minutes of their Europa League games, but wasn't really paying attention.

Senderos & Baker - agree.

Wages for Richards - we've spent the last 9 years being notoriously difficult for journalists to get any contract information out of us and the last 5 being notoriously tight. Why should we suddenly believe that we've pretty much shattered our wage structure now? Alternatively the brave new world of the new TV deal means that we can afford to start paying these wages to players we believe are worth it, and if he can get back to 75% of what he was pre-injury he'll be the best right back we've had in more years than I care to remember, Mark Delaney?

And again.  Why has he got to be playing centre half.  His best performances have come at full back. He won the League and FA cup playing full back, he played for England at full back.  People have kittens about Okore at centre half being a shade over 6'.  Why should we now play someone who's 5'11" there?

If I was to guess, I'd say that the starting back 4 (assuming no more signings other than maybe a left back) will be

Richards - Okore - Clark - A.N.Other (Possibly Bennett)

Hutton will be first cover for Richards
Baker will be first cover Clark
Senderos will be first cover for Okore

If necessary Richards can cover for Okore

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on June 17, 2015, 10:22:51 PM

I'm not sure about nzonzi, he is big, quick strong and runs all day but I'm not convinced he's technically good enough.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 17, 2015, 10:27:34 PM

Quote from: paul_e on June 17, 2015, 10:22:51 PM

I'm not sure about nzonzi, he is big, quick strong and runs all day but I'm not convinced he's technically good enough.

He's a very poor mans Yaya Toure.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 17, 2015, 10:34:16 PM

I actually don't think Huddlestone is all that bad. He's bigger and stronger than Westwood, with a better range of passing and I think an ability to move it on quicker too.

He was poor last season for Hull, although I will be honest and say I watched them twice at most and that was against us; once when we battered them and again when they strolled over us in the last days of Lambert. He was one of their better players the year before too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 17, 2015, 10:43:05 PM

Delph, Nzonzi and Huddleston in a three man midfield. Not the worst combination suggested so far.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 17, 2015, 10:46:27 PM

With the Mirror linking us to (oh what a shock) Tottenhams Townsend and ex-Spurs Huddlestone, I don't think a front three of Townsend, Benteke and Sinclair, with a midfield three of Grealish, Delph or Huddlestone would struggle in this league.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on June 17, 2015, 10:48:26 PM

Quote from: Ads on June 17, 2015, 10:34:16 PM

I actually don't think Huddlestone is all that bad. He's bigger and stronger than Westwood, with a better range of passing and I think an ability to move it on quicker too.

He was poor last season for Hull, although I will be honest and say I watched them twice at most and that was against us; once when we battered them and again when they strolled over us in the last days of Lambert. He was one of their better players the year before too.

Pretty much how I feel too. He's also very two footed, which allows him to switch play very quickly, something that none of our existing midfielders are very good at. If Sherwood's looking for our width to be provided by marauding full-backs next season, this could be key.

The Mirror are linking us with. £12m move for Andros Townsend tonight. Personally, I think this would be a fantastic signing.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 17, 2015, 10:49:48 PM

I think Townsend is decent too. He got let down on the weekend by having Phil ruddy Jones at full back.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 17, 2015, 10:52:26 PM

Quote from: Ads on June 17, 2015, 10:49:48 PM

I think Townsend is decent too. He got let down on the weekend by having Phil ruddy Jones at full back.

Having Phil Jones at full-back on Sunday didn't force him to spend a career smashing the ball Tonev-style into various stands around the country for the last few years.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 17, 2015, 10:54:47 PM

I think he's a decent player. Not top six quality, but would deliver something sadly lacking from N'Zogbia over the past four seasons.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 17, 2015, 10:54:52 PM

Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on June 17, 2015, 05:04:17 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on June 17, 2015, 04:57:19 PM

I think Nzogbia is my least favourite villa player ever

I know N'Zogbia is my least favourite villa player ever.

You've obviously both forgotten Stephen Ireland.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 17, 2015, 10:57:41 PM

I had a real dislike of Warnock.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 17, 2015, 10:58:40 PM

Quote from: Ads on June 17, 2015, 10:54:47 PM

I think he's a decent player. Not top six quality, but would deliver something sadly lacking from N'Zogbia over the past four seasons.

But based on the number of goals that they score, probably not as good as Sinclair who we've just bought for £2.5m.

And definitely not five times as good as Sinclair which is what his rumoured transfer fee would suggest.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 17, 2015, 11:00:26 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 17, 2015, 10:54:52 PM

Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on June 17, 2015, 05:04:17 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on June 17, 2015, 04:57:19 PM

I think Nzogbia is my least favourite villa player ever

I know N'Zogbia is my least favourite villa player ever.

You've obviously both forgotten Stephen Ireland.

I could never stand Steve Sidwell.

I appreciate he has done ok since, but other than his role in the quick-thinking throw in goal against Hull City, he contributed almost nothing to us.

I know he was hamstrung by MON's bizarre OCD thing with bringing him on on 75 minutes, but even when he played the full game, I struggle to recall many players who managed to be so utterly anonymous for so long.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 17, 2015, 11:00:45 PM

I like Sinclair because he carries that goal threat, that doesn't mean I can't appreciate other wingers/forwards.

We stole Sinclair at that price, but if we are in for Townsend, I can't see us spending £12 or £10 million to bring him in.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on June 17, 2015, 11:05:10 PM

I think Townsend's transfer value probably carries a premium because he's one of those, often assumed mythical, 'left-footed wingers'.

Personally, I think you need a player in the side who's willing to take a few pot-shots during the game. Granted, at the goal and not the corner-flag as Tonev had a tendency to do, though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 17, 2015, 11:13:13 PM

I'd take Townsend and Huddleston. Trippier off to Spurs, so Walker to us as well please. Not a bad shopping list.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 17, 2015, 11:17:50 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 17, 2015, 11:05:10 PM

I think Townsend's transfer value probably carries a premium because he's one of those, often assumed mythical, 'left-footed wingers'.

The premium is probably because he's a Spurs player. We're lucky the story's not put his valuation at £20m.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on June 17, 2015, 11:20:42 PM

Quote from: Newby on June 17, 2015, 11:13:13 PM

I'd take Townsend and Huddleston. Trippier off to Spurs, so Walker to us as well please. Not a bad shopping list.

Spurs really do love stock-piling right-backs, don't they? They've already got Yedlin & Dier, as well as Walker and Kaboul who has played there. No doubt they'll be looking for ridiculous fees to sell any of them too. I really do detest that club.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 17, 2015, 11:22:58 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 17, 2015, 11:20:42 PM

Quote from: Newby on June 17, 2015, 11:13:13 PM

I'd take Townsend and Huddleston. Trippier off to Spurs, so Walker to us as well please. Not a bad shopping list.

Spurs really do love stock-piling right-backs, don't they? They've already got Yedlin & Dier, as well as Walker and Kaboul who has played there. No doubt they'll be looking for ridiculous fees to sell any of them too. I really do detest that club.

Me too. It's the vision of grandeur that does it for me. If they weren't in London, they'd be a bigger laughing stock than we were before Tish took over.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 17, 2015, 11:30:19 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 17, 2015, 11:20:42 PM

Quote from: Newby on June 17, 2015, 11:13:13 PM

I'd take Townsend and Huddleston. Trippier off to Spurs, so Walker to us as well please. Not a bad shopping list.

Spurs really do love stock-piling right-backs, don't they? They've already got Yedlin & Dier, as well as Walker and Kaboul who has played there.

I'm not sure that with Richards, Lowton, Bacuna, Hutton, Cissokho, Bennett, Luna and Richardson on our books we can really criticise others for having too many full-backs.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on June 17, 2015, 11:36:11 PM

Quote from: Dave on June 17, 2015, 11:30:19 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 17, 2015, 11:20:42 PM

Quote from: Newby on June 17, 2015, 11:13:13 PM

I'd take Townsend and Huddleston. Trippier off to Spurs, so Walker to us as well please. Not a bad shopping list.

Spurs really do love stock-piling right-backs, don't they? They've already got Yedlin & Dier, as well as Walker and Kaboul who has played there.

I'm not sure that with Richards, Lowton, Bacuna, Hutton, Cissokho, Bennett, Luna and Richardson on our books we can really criticise others for having too many full-backs.

Maybe not, but neither do we usually hold buying clubs to ransom when shifting our deadwood. I'd be surprised if we made any more than about £5m combined by selling Lowton, Luna, Cissokho and Bennett this summer. Granted, that's a reflection of our poor recruiting in recent years, but it does irk me that Spurs consistently demand top dollar for players they have little intention of playing. It irks me even more that they usually get it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: warleyboy on June 17, 2015, 11:39:31 PM

Would spuds be willing to sell us Townsend for 12 mil, when they could possibly want Tekkers.
Surely they would be using any of there players as leverage.
Or maybe that's just the way I'd go about it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on June 17, 2015, 11:41:03 PM

bad quoting aside surely if we made £5m from those players it would be hard to call that bad recruitment as that would be the money we spent coming back.  I think I'd rather keep hold of Bennett though, I genuinely think there's a decent player in there and he's worth another look.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on June 17, 2015, 11:48:47 PM

Quote from: paul_e on June 17, 2015, 11:41:03 PM

bad quoting aside surely if we made £5m from those players it would be hard to call that bad recruitment as that would be the money we spent coming back.  I think I'd rather keep hold of Bennett though, I genuinely think there's a decent player in there and he's worth another look.

Personally, I'd prefer our recruitment to focus on bringing in good players that don't need replacing on such a frequent basis, rather than just be able to make our money back on. I'm assuming you're not genuinely suggesting we've done a good job of buying full-backs in recent seasons...?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on June 18, 2015, 12:01:15 AM

Quote from: RussellC on June 17, 2015, 11:48:47 PM

Quote from: paul_e on June 17, 2015, 11:41:03 PM

bad quoting aside surely if we made £5m from those players it would be hard to call that bad recruitment as that would be the money we spent coming back.  I think I'd rather keep hold of Bennett though, I genuinely think there's a decent player in there and he's worth another look.

Personally, I'd prefer our recruitment to focus on bringing in good players that don't need replacing on such a frequent basis, rather than just be able to make our money back on. I'm assuming you're not genuinely suggesting we've done a good job of buying full-backs in recent seasons...?

Not at all but if you're going to go after £1m gambles the 2nd best outcome is getting your money back so I think labeling our recruitment as a massive failure is unwarranted.  There have been failures in there but in general Lambert was ok at that bit.  making a successful team out of the players he got was where he struggled, his record of destroying any potential in fullbacks was the crowning glory of his time with us, Bertrands start, fall and rise at Southampton should show just how shit Lambert was in that area.

I've made it pretty clear that I think our recruitment should focus on the best young players we can afford and trying to get 2-3 of them every season.  That way if we see 1-2 leave for big money and 1-2 fail we're building a conveyor belt of talent where the chances are that we'll always make profits.  The odd thing is mon tried to dabble in that market and was hugely successful with it (Young, Milner, Delph, Davies being the obvious exception), but he ruined it by also spending huge sums on players who had no resale value.  We're not in the right place to implement that strategy yet so people like Richards coming in are good because they have quality and experience and are young enough to be around for 4-5 years to serve as the cornerstones of this type of strategy.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on June 18, 2015, 12:03:31 AM

Quote from: RussellC on June 17, 2015, 11:05:10 PM

I think Townsend's transfer value probably carries a premium because he's one of those, often assumed mythical, 'left-footed wingers'.

Personally, I think you need a player in the side who's willing to take a few pot-shots during the game. Granted, at the goal and not the corner-flag as Tonev had a tendency to do, though.

those pot shots have resulted in 3 goals in 47 league games over the last two seasons, think there were a couple of penos in that too  ;)

Townsend's transfer value carries a premium for one reason primarily, his passport

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on June 17, 2015, 10:16:04 PM

I'll skip the quotathon

Why do you think we'll go 3 at the back next season? Nothing Sherwood did with us, or with Spurs hinted at 3 at the back being a long term option as far as I can recall.
Wing back wouldn't suit him as there (if done properly) the onus is on attacking and tracking back when needed.  Richards is first and foremost a defender, albeit from the responses on the Blue Moon board, okayish going forwards, but relying more on speed and physique than technique.

Fiorentina - can't comment.  Saw a few minutes of their Europa League games, but wasn't really paying attention.

Senderos & Baker - agree.

Wages for Richards - we've spent the last 9 years being notoriously difficult for journalists to get any contract information out of us and the last 5 being notoriously tight. Why should we suddenly believe that we've pretty much shattered our wage structure now? Alternatively the brave new world of the new TV deal means that we can afford to start paying these wages to players we believe are worth it, and if he can get back to 75% of what he was pre-injury he'll be the best right back we've had in more years than I care to remember, Mark Delaney?

And again.  Why has he got to be playing centre half.  His best performances have come at full back. He won the League and FA cup playing full back, he played for England at full back.  People have kittens about Okore at centre half being a shade over 6'.  Why should we now play someone who's 5'11" there?

If I was to guess, I'd say that the starting back 4 (assuming no more signings other than maybe a left back) will be

Richards - Okore - Clark - A.N.Other (Possibly Bennett)

Hutton will be first cover for Richards
Baker will be first cover Clark
Senderos will be first cover for Okore

If necessary Richards can cover for Okore

the angle being played out in the media is that he chose us as he has received assurances re playing at centre back e.g http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jun/17/aston-villa-micah-richards-transfer-centre-half. Could be media guff but suspect there is something in it for sure. Remember him playing with Dunne at centre half for City years back. Bit of a gamble considering how long it is since he has played regularly at all but even more so in that position. Micah Richards isnt worth anything near the contract we have given him and it suggests a foolhardy return at board level to the days of giving the likes of Habib Beye a pension. Scott Dann, Michael Keane, James Chester three players off the top of my head who would be far better bets to play in that position for us than Richards and cheaper too.

Re going three at the back, think Bacuna got 5 or 6 assists after Sherwood came in so getting him or an attacking full bacl further forward next term gives us much needed width. The one Spurs player I wouldnt mind us signing would be Kyle Walker to play in that role. Richards might be best suited I would suggest as a right sided centre half with Clark and one other. A first choice centre back partnership of Richards and Clark next term would really worry me. If the proposed centre half experiment doesnt work what do we do with him, an expensive injury prone reserve for sure.

Wouldnt be surprised in the slightest to see Hutton moved on this summer, his form tailed off badly after Sherwood arrived and he was as bad as Nzogbia or Grealish in the final imo. If our full backs are expected to push forward next term, he clearly isnt suited to that. Lowton, Bennett, Cissokho - time to cut our losses on those three too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 18, 2015, 01:51:20 AM

Couldn't disagree more. Richards is proven top flight quality, a winner, with age and versatility on his side. The absence of this sort of signing over the past five years is the reason why we've struggled. Comparisons to Habib Beye are utter nonsense.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on June 18, 2015, 02:18:25 AM

Also, I'd imagine a Keane or Chester would cost 3-5 million without requiring substantially lower wages, so I doubt that they would be noticeably cheaper. Better at CB, I would think, but I think Richards will primarily be a RB, which could mean various things (Bacuna spending more time at RW, Hutton and/or Lowton being shifted on or seeing time, unfortunately, at LB)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 18, 2015, 05:56:40 AM

Townsend is better than nzogbia and Huddlestone at least has in the past been better than Westwood (pretty good last season, awful this one).

But for the best part of £20m I think we could do better

Plus we'd then have three holding midfielders and only Delph proven on the box to box front

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 18, 2015, 06:34:42 AM

I imagine it's very easy at this point to link us with anybody that's even driven through N17.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Damo70 on June 18, 2015, 07:30:17 AM

Quote from: Ads on June 18, 2015, 06:34:42 AM

I imagine it's very easy at this point to link us with anybody that's even driven through N17.

I would imagine any member of The Saw Doctors would be an improvement at left back.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 18, 2015, 07:45:23 AM

Bronte

At the risk of starting a proper argument, would your attitude to Richards be different if he was called Mickey O'Richardson and pissed Guinness?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 18, 2015, 07:53:55 AM

Quote from: Newby on June 17, 2015, 11:13:13 PM

I'd take Townsend and Huddleston. Trippier off to Spurs, so Walker to us as well please. Not a bad shopping list.

My main problem with signing Huddlestone would be that we'd have yet another player whose name people refused to spell properly 😉

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdward on June 18, 2015, 07:59:30 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on June 18, 2015, 07:53:55 AM

Quote from: Newby on June 17, 2015, 11:13:13 PM

I'd take Townsend and Huddleston. Trippier off to Spurs, so Walker to us as well please. Not a bad shopping list.

My main problem with signing Huddlestone would be that we'd have yet another player whose name people refused to spell properly

I agree Mat Colins, it's really annoying

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: gervilla on June 18, 2015, 08:07:59 AM

Quote from: Damo70 on June 18, 2015, 07:30:17 AM

Quote from: Ads on June 18, 2015, 06:34:42 AM

I imagine it's very easy at this point to link us with anybody that's even driven through N17.

I would imagine any member of The Saw Doctors would be an improvement at left back.

Christ,  I hate The Saw Doctors. Probably as much as I hate Stephen Ireland.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Concrete John on June 18, 2015, 08:18:33 AM

Regarding this thing about Richards being CB or RB and whether he can attack or not, I think the diamond we've mainly played under TS puts the onus on FBs to get forward, which isn't his strength.  Having signed Sinclair and being linked to Townsend, that would suggest to me more of a 433, so attacking width further up the pitch.  If we go that way, there's less emphasis on the FBs to bomb on, meaning we can have players like Richards there.

Just a thought.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eamonn on June 18, 2015, 08:52:08 AM

Quote from: Damo70 on June 18, 2015, 07:30:17 AM

Quote from: Ads on June 18, 2015, 06:34:42 AM

I imagine it's very easy at this point to link us with anybody that's even driven through N17.

I would imagine any member of The Saw Doctors would be an improvement at left back.

*Applause*

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on June 18, 2015, 09:10:41 AM

Quote from: paul_e on June 18, 2015, 12:01:15 AM

Not at all but if you're going to go after £1m gambles the 2nd best outcome is getting your money back so I think labeling our recruitment as a massive failure is unwarranted.  There have been failures in there but in general Lambert was ok at that bit.  making a successful team out of the players he got was where he struggled, his record of destroying any potential in fullbacks was the crowning glory of his time with us, Bertrands start, fall and rise at Southampton should show just how shit Lambert was in that area.

I've made it pretty clear that I think our recruitment should focus on the best young players we can afford and trying to get 2-3 of them every season.  That way if we see 1-2 leave for big money and 1-2 fail we're building a conveyor belt of talent where the chances are that we'll always make profits.  The odd thing is mon tried to dabble in that market and was hugely successful with it (Young, Milner, Delph, Davies being the obvious exception), but he ruined it by also spending huge sums on players who had no resale value.  We're not in the right place to implement that strategy yet so people like Richards coming in are good because they have quality and experience and are young enough to be around for 4-5 years to serve as the cornerstones of this type of strategy.

Lambert’s recruiting was so inconsistent though, especially in the full-back area. We’ll never really know why we opted to go for Joe Bennett instead of Cresswell, but it proved to be an absolutely terrible decision. But then to ditch Bennett after one season for an unknown Spanish full-back, to then loaning a very attack-minded one, who he then ditched for a well-travelled, but very defence-minded full-back was utterly bizarre and, in my opinion, very poor recruitment. I’d be very surprised if we get our money back on these 3 too.

Then there’s the right-back situation where we’ve switched from an unproven League One full-back, to an unknown Dutch winger (converted) to an actually established right-back who was our player all along, but who we were trying everything to get off our wage-bill. Whilst this has been going on, the team has spent 3 consecutive seasons hanging on in the Premiership by the skin of its teeth.

I’m sorry, but  can’t see how this can possibly be considered anything other than dreadful recruiting.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on June 18, 2015, 09:22:51 AM

Quote from: gervilla on June 18, 2015, 08:07:59 AM

Quote from: Damo70 on June 18, 2015, 07:30:17 AM

Quote from: Ads on June 18, 2015, 06:34:42 AM

I imagine it's very easy at this point to link us with anybody that's even driven through N17.

I would imagine any member of The Saw Doctors would be an improvement at left back.

Christ,  I hate The Saw Doctors. Probably as much as I hate Stephen Ireland.

You have to get behind me in the hate queue for those pair Ger.

As an aside.  The original drummer with the Saw Doctors, John Donnelly, comes from this town I live in.  I know his parents and, his brother played for the kids' team I managed.  I'm famous.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 18, 2015, 09:26:49 AM

Quote from: OCD on June 17, 2015, 11:17:50 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 17, 2015, 11:05:10 PM

I think Townsend's transfer value probably carries a premium because he's one of those, often assumed mythical, 'left-footed wingers'.

The premium is probably because he's a Spurs player. We're lucky the story's not put his valuation at £20m.

I like Andros but we have Gil already and both are defensively inept somits unfair to replace Gil as such with Townsend. He gave nzog a go I think Charles Gill should get game time too but i fear he'll leave or loaned out. Jefferson Montero for swnasea has looked very effective going forward and thatbtyoe of player would be fun watch down the villa. Tsherwood can't just work with players he's familiar with if he himself wants to develop as a coach . Townsend for 12 million I actually think uneccesay to spend that amount on one player.

I could definitely see Robbie Brady coming from hull and huddelsdton .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: gervilla on June 18, 2015, 09:53:09 AM

Quote from: dave shelley on June 18, 2015, 09:22:51 AM

Quote from: gervilla on June 18, 2015, 08:07:59 AM

Quote from: Damo70 on June 18, 2015, 07:30:17 AM

Quote from: Ads on June 18, 2015, 06:34:42 AM

I imagine it's very easy at this point to link us with anybody that's even driven through N17.

Ahh balls.  I should have got your autograph when I met you.

I would imagine any member of The Saw Doctors would be an improvement at left back.

Christ,  I hate The Saw Doctors. Probably as much as I hate Stephen Ireland.

You have to get behind me in the hate queue for those pair Ger.

As an aside.  The original drummer with the Saw Doctors, John Donnelly, comes from this town I live in.  I know his parents and, his brother played for the kids' team I managed.  I'm famous.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 18, 2015, 10:01:15 AM

The problem wasn't the fact that we bought players for 1 or 2m and they almost all tanked.

It was that they were the players we were buying to actually play games. If we'd bought them as back up for 1m and sold them later for the same, then we'd have broken even on the fee (although we've incurred the wages cost), true. The problem is that too often those players were expected to play a lot of games, and were failures.

In that sense, the problem wasn't so much those players, the ones we did sign, it was the ones we didn't sign.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on June 18, 2015, 10:08:16 AM

What you said Paulie reminds me a bit of Clark and Baker who were abysmal as a pairing two seasons ago, but both had much improved campaigns last time out. Something has been wrong with us over the last few years in the way we've bought players and the way in which we've bought youngsters through. I have the sense that it's a bit of a new start for us now (how many times have we heard that before?) and hopefully things will improve.

I suspect though, that we'll be linked to a lot of players like Huddlestone and Townsend who many will be underwhelmed by, but if we're brutally honest are probably a slight improvement on what we have - there's a reason we've struggled in recent times and why we're fourth or fifth favourites to go down next season. Our improvement will be in baby steps, not some meteoric rise.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 18, 2015, 10:12:44 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 18, 2015, 10:01:15 AM

The problem wasn't the fact that we bought players for 1 or 2m and they almost all tanked.

It was that they were the players we were buying to actually play games. If we'd bought them as back up for 1m and sold them later for the same, then we'd have broken even on the fee (although we've incurred the wages cost), true. The problem is that too often those players were expected to play a lot of games, and were failures.

In that sense, the problem wasn't so much those players, the ones we did sign, it was the ones we didn't sign.

Also that they were all thrown in at the same time.  We could probably have coped with 2, maybe even 3 starting if they were surrounded by experience at that level.  The most experienced signing in Lambert's first 2 years was probably Vlaar, and he spent the first 6 months struggling to adapt to the pace and intensity of the PL.
Of the team that started his first game against West Ham, the only PL experienced players were Given and N'Zogbia.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Godfrey Brian on June 18, 2015, 10:33:01 AM

Quote from: Damo70 on June 18, 2015, 07:30:17 AM

Quote from: Ads on June 18, 2015, 06:34:42 AM

I imagine it's very easy at this point to link us with anybody that's even driven through N17.

I would imagine any member of The Saw Doctors would be an improvement at left back.

"I was standing on the edge of the parallelogram
roaring me head off
'Pass it in Sham'
Cross it in low, don't hesitate or stall.
For Christ's sake pass me the ball"

Mmmmm . Looks like they've some tactical thoughts though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on June 18, 2015, 10:41:36 AM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on June 18, 2015, 10:12:44 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 18, 2015, 10:01:15 AM

The problem wasn't the fact that we bought players for 1 or 2m and they almost all tanked.

It was that they were the players we were buying to actually play games. If we'd bought them as back up for 1m and sold them later for the same, then we'd have broken even on the fee (although we've incurred the wages cost), true. The problem is that too often those players were expected to play a lot of games, and were failures.

In that sense, the problem wasn't so much those players, the ones we did sign, it was the ones we didn't sign.

Also that they were all thrown in at the same time.  We could probably have coped with 2, maybe even 3 starting if they were surrounded by experience at that level.  The most experienced signing in Lambert's first 2 years was probably Vlaar, and he spent the first 6 months struggling to adapt to the pace and intensity of the PL.
Of the team that started his first game against West Ham, the only PL experienced players were Given and N'Zogbia.

This is really the point.  To just look at the recruitment and say it was shit is narrowing things too much.  As I said, buying these players wasn't the problem, it was how he used them afterwards that caused issues.  Right back for example, if in that first season he'd alternated between Hutton and Lowton and worked hard on the training ground with Lowton things could have turned out differently.  Same with Warnock and Bennett on the other side.  That's not even to say that I rate Hutton or Warnock (Hutton did ok last season but I still think he's a liability) just that when you have senior players already and you sign kids from the lower leagues in the same position getting them to fight for their place for a year is probably a good idea instead of throwing the kids into the first team and making the older players train with the reserves.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mike on June 18, 2015, 10:58:12 AM

Quote from: RussellC on June 18, 2015, 09:10:41 AM

Quote from: paul_e on June 18, 2015, 12:01:15 AM

Not at all but if you're going to go after £1m gambles the 2nd best outcome is getting your money back so I think labeling our recruitment as a massive failure is unwarranted.  There have been failures in there but in general Lambert was ok at that bit.  making a successful team out of the players he got was where he struggled, his record of destroying any potential in fullbacks was the crowning glory of his time with us, Bertrands start, fall and rise at Southampton should show just how shit Lambert was in that area.

I've made it pretty clear that I think our recruitment should focus on the best young players we can afford and trying to get 2-3 of them every season.  That way if we see 1-2 leave for big money and 1-2 fail we're building a conveyor belt of talent where the chances are that we'll always make profits.  The odd thing is mon tried to dabble in that market and was hugely successful with it (Young, Milner, Delph, Davies being the obvious exception), but he ruined it by also spending huge sums on players who had no resale value.  We're not in the right place to implement that strategy yet so people like Richards coming in are good because they have quality and experience and are young enough to be around for 4-5 years to serve as the cornerstones of this type of strategy.

Lambert’s recruiting was so inconsistent though, especially in the full-back area. We’ll never really know why we opted to go for Joe Bennett instead of Cresswell, but it proved to be an absolutely terrible decision. But then to ditch Bennett after one season for an unknown Spanish full-back, to then loaning a very attack-minded one, who he then ditched for a well-travelled, but very defence-minded full-back was utterly bizarre and, in my opinion, very poor recruitment. I’d be very surprised if we get our money back on these 3 too.

Then there’s the right-back situation where we’ve switched from an unproven League One full-back, to an unknown Dutch winger (converted) to an actually established right-back who was our player all along, but who we were trying everything to get off our wage-bill. Whilst this has been going on, the team has spent 3 consecutive seasons hanging on in the Premiership by the skin of its teeth.

I’m sorry, but  can’t see how this can possibly be considered anything other than dreadful recruiting.

I agree, I've never understood the idea that Lambert is a recruitment genius just because he spotted Benteke. Most of his signings have been crap and it will be demonstrated next season when virtually none of them are regular starters.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on June 18, 2015, 11:05:55 AM

Quote from: mike on June 18, 2015, 10:58:12 AM

I agree, I've never understood the idea that Lambert is a recruitment genius just because he spotted Benteke. Most of his signings have been crap and it will be demonstrated next season when virtually none of them are regular starters.

I don't think anyone is saying he's a genius, I'm certainly not and I hope it doesn't come across like that.  The point is that his recruitment was better than his coaching and day-to-day management, so the players he picked aren't as bad as he made them look.  The truth is if we sold every player he bought in we'd end up in profit from the money he spent, after seeing mon, houllier (to a much lesser extent) and McLeish waste money on all kinds of shit that we've had to let go on Bosmans because no one would take them off us I'm ok with that.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on June 18, 2015, 11:16:43 AM

Quote from: paul_e on June 18, 2015, 11:05:55 AM

Quote from: mike on June 18, 2015, 10:58:12 AM

I agree, I've never understood the idea that Lambert is a recruitment genius just because he spotted Benteke. Most of his signings have been crap and it will be demonstrated next season when virtually none of them are regular starters.

I don't think anyone is saying he's a genius, I'm certainly not and I hope it doesn't come across like that.  The point is that his recruitment was better than his coaching and day-to-day management, so the players he picked aren't as bad as he made them look.  The truth is if we sold every player he bought in we'd end up in profit from the money he spent, after seeing mon, houllier (to a much lesser extent) and McLeish waste money on all kinds of shit that we've had to let go on Bosmans because no one would take them off us I'm ok with that.

I think McLeish once tried to claim that Benteke was on our radar before he was fired (pinch of salt I know). Didn't the scout who found Benteke leave before the following summer?

I'd rather let good scouts find gems for us, as opposed to the manager. The manager should be concentrating at what's on the pitch. Of course he must give the final yes, or no as to whether we do sign someone on the shopping list.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on June 18, 2015, 11:39:55 AM

Hasn't Paddy Reilly been credited with a lot of the scouting during Lambert's tenure?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 18, 2015, 12:09:08 PM

Quote from: supertom on June 18, 2015, 11:16:43 AM

Quote from: paul_e on June 18, 2015, 11:05:55 AM

Quote from: mike on June 18, 2015, 10:58:12 AM

I agree, I've never understood the idea that Lambert is a recruitment genius just because he spotted Benteke. Most of his signings have been crap and it will be demonstrated next season when virtually none of them are regular starters.

I don't think anyone is saying he's a genius, I'm certainly not and I hope it doesn't come across like that.  The point is that his recruitment was better than his coaching and day-to-day management, so the players he picked aren't as bad as he made them look.  The truth is if we sold every player he bought in we'd end up in profit from the money he spent, after seeing mon, houllier (to a much lesser extent) and McLeish waste money on all kinds of shit that we've had to let go on Bosmans because no one would take them off us I'm ok with that.

I think McLeish once tried to claim that Benteke was on our radar before he was fired (pinch of salt I know). Didn't the scout who found Benteke leave before the following summer?

I'd rather let good scouts find gems for us, as opposed to the manager. The manager should be concentrating at what's on the pitch. Of course he must give the final yes, or no as to whether we do sign someone on the shopping list.

The story was that Lambert was actually at a Genk game to watch Vossen and Benteke happened to be playing and stood out as the one to sign.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on June 18, 2015, 12:51:13 PM

Quote from: paul_e on June 18, 2015, 12:01:15 AM

Not at all but if you're going to go after £1m gambles the 2nd best outcome is getting your money back so I think labeling our recruitment as a massive failure is unwarranted.  There have been failures in there but in general Lambert was ok at that bit.  making a successful team out of the players he got was where he struggled, his record of destroying any potential in fullbacks was the crowning glory of his time with us, Bertrands start, fall and rise at Southampton should show just how shit Lambert was in that area.

I've made it pretty clear that I think our recruitment should focus on the best young players we can afford and trying to get 2-3 of them every season.  That way if we see 1-2 leave for big money and 1-2 fail we're building a conveyor belt of talent where the chances are that we'll always make profits.  The odd thing is mon tried to dabble in that market and was hugely successful with it (Young, Milner, Delph, Davies being the obvious exception), but he ruined it by also spending huge sums on players who had no resale value.

I'd agree with a lot of that.

Cast your minds back to 2006 and there was talk on here and elsewhere that we'd be targeting Thierry Henry and the like in a few years.

I didn't expect that from RL, but what I did hope for -and what we actually did for a while- was that there would be enough money in the pot to sign up and coming players. In contrast to the latter part of the Ellis years, when we were signing over the hill has beens or budget priced never gonna be's. 

We seem to have gone full circle on that.

The Young deal in particular was a template for the sort of business we sould be doing -and could still have done- even with FFP/ The growth of Man Citeh and any other cop out Lerner and co have hidden behind in recent years. 

I didn't have an issue with the Young and Hungry mantra that was all the rage in 2013. My concern was that it essentially meant young and cheap.  They need to be young and hungry -and good enough in the first place.  That usually costs more.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eamonn on June 18, 2015, 01:17:23 PM

Quote from: dave shelley on June 18, 2015, 09:22:51 AM

Quote from: gervilla on June 18, 2015, 08:07:59 AM

Quote from: Damo70 on June 18, 2015, 07:30:17 AM

Quote from: Ads on June 18, 2015, 06:34:42 AM

I imagine it's very easy at this point to link us with anybody that's even driven through N17.

I would imagine any member of The Saw Doctors would be an improvement at left back.

Christ,  I hate The Saw Doctors. Probably as much as I hate Stephen Ireland.

You have to get behind me in the hate queue for those pair Ger.

Why? I Usedta Love Her is a classic.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on June 18, 2015, 01:18:44 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on June 18, 2015, 07:53:55 AM

Quote from: Newby on June 17, 2015, 11:13:13 PM

I'd take Townsend and Huddleston. Trippier off to Spurs, so Walker to us as well please. Not a bad shopping list.

My main problem with signing Huddlestone would be that we'd have yet another player whose name people refused to spell properly 😉

I've never had a problem with Humblestones name

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on June 18, 2015, 01:20:27 PM

Quote from: john e on June 18, 2015, 01:18:44 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on June 18, 2015, 07:53:55 AM

Quote from: Newby on June 17, 2015, 11:13:13 PM

I'd take Townsend and Huddleston. Trippier off to Spurs, so Walker to us as well please. Not a bad shopping list.

My main problem with signing Huddlestone would be that we'd have yet another player whose name people refused to spell properly 😉

I've never had a problem with Humblestones name

Me either Joan.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on June 18, 2015, 01:28:51 PM

Well one thing is for certain if there is any truth in us Looking at Townsend and Huddleston after signing Richards it makes a difference in the actual quality and spend that we have been used to over the last few years

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 18, 2015, 02:02:05 PM

Hearing about engliush players ..whatever happened to mceachran and lesser extent Nick Powell. Eng Under 21 players tonight some will go down same route when touted so early to be world beaters. Ones who really stand out make in Europe verratti of Italy and psg proven where as Powell and mceachran nothing. Frustrat ing that players in UK get built up ridiculously the under21s tonight and in tournament some in 3-5 years will be already looking back at what could have been. Remember albrighton and delfoneso and Craig Gardner before use to perform at this level and haven't reached massive heights. Holtby at Spurs and kaboul both captains haven't achieved whgat vwas expected so not just all English players .
Anyway my point is reading names of Townsend, Richards, huddleton reminds of under 21 players who were hyped

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 18, 2015, 02:03:36 PM

Quote from: LeeB on June 18, 2015, 01:20:27 PM

Quote from: john e on June 18, 2015, 01:18:44 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on June 18, 2015, 07:53:55 AM

Quote from: Newby on June 17, 2015, 11:13:13 PM

I'd take Townsend and Huddleston. Trippier off to Spurs, so Walker to us as well please. Not a bad shopping list.

My main problem with signing Huddlestone would be that we'd have yet another player whose name people refused to spell properly 😉

I've never had a problem with Humblestones name

Me either Joan.

Ha ha, nice one, Lea.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on June 18, 2015, 02:06:24 PM

I din't realise that we'd brought Tony Coton in as part of the Scouting set-up?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villa-appoint-former-manchester-5525581

Neither did I realise that he used to be Tom Heaton's agent...

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11661/5705312/heaton-seeks-united-exit

A few Twitterers are putting 2 + 2 together. In this case, I'd be quite pleased if they were right.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dr Butler on June 18, 2015, 02:09:53 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 18, 2015, 02:02:05 PM

Hearing about engliush players ..whatever happened to mceachran and lesser extent Nick Powell. Eng Under 21 players tonight some will go down same route when touted so early to be world beaters. Ones who really stand out make in Europe verratti of Italy and psg proven where as Powell and mceachran nothing. Frustrat ing that players in UK get built up ridiculously the under21s tonight and in tournament some in 3-5 years will be already looking back at what could have been. Remember albrighton and delfoneso and Craig Gardner before use to perform at this level and haven't reached massive heights. Holtby at Spurs and kaboul both captains haven't achieved whgat vwas expected so not just all English players .
Anyway my point is reading names of Townsend, Richards, huddleton reminds of under 21 players who were hyped

blimey I'm no English Language/Literature master but....???

UTV
The Doc

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on June 18, 2015, 02:11:44 PM

BBC Derby are also report ting that the Weimann deal is close to completion. It's always a little bit sad when you let a youth team product go, but Weimann has plenty of opportunities and, in my opinion, proven himself to be not good enough at this level.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdward on June 18, 2015, 02:31:23 PM

Agreed, Weimann just hasn't done enough.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on June 18, 2015, 02:33:44 PM

Felt like he just never improved. Being quick and being able to sniff out goalscoring opportunities is a nice base to work from, but he never figured out how to offer anything beyond that (bad coaching could be a big reason for that) and his composure in front of goal was often dreadful.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on June 18, 2015, 02:47:58 PM

Will be good to see how he does with an extended run up top.

He has limitations to his game, he isn't fleet of foot enough or quick enough to play out wide on a consistent basis.

But up front, at a slightly lower standard, he could thrive.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 18, 2015, 02:53:48 PM

Quote from: KevinGage on June 18, 2015, 02:47:58 PM

Will be good to see how he does with an extended run up top.

He has limitations to his game, he isn't fleet of foot enough or quick enough to play out wide on a consistent basis.

But up front, at a slightly lower standard, he could thrive.

I still think he'll be a very good scorer at this level in the right environment.
Good luck to him anyway.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 18, 2015, 02:56:27 PM

Quote from: KevinGage on June 18, 2015, 02:47:58 PM

Will be good to see how he does with an extended run up top.

He has limitations to his game, he isn't fleet of foot enough or quick enough to play out wide on a consistent basis.

But up front, at a slightly lower standard, he could thrive.

If he's played as a striker, I expect he will do well in the Championship (not sure Darren Bent will be the right type of strike partner for him though).  Playing him in wide or deep areas just doesn't suit him at all. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 18, 2015, 03:36:57 PM

I always thought Andi had a good eye for goal. As a centre forward I think he's pretty useful and I reckon he'd score a lot of goals for Derby.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LTA on June 18, 2015, 04:32:31 PM

Weimann was superb in our strong run in Lamberts first season.  Then he signed his contract and immediately started getting too big for his boots.  There is talent there, needs to develop his composure and stop believing his own hype.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on June 18, 2015, 04:37:28 PM

Don't want too sound harsh, but I didn't even particularly rate him as a finisher. He missed as may decent chances as he tucked away, and it's all about consistency at the top level. ironically, the first goal that he ever scored for us was easily his best. I'd put him in the same bracket as the likes of Adam Le Fondre, and would expect him to find his level in a midtable Championship side from hereon in.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: alan_clarke on June 18, 2015, 04:38:56 PM

Andi is one of those players who you'd never have the confidence that he muster much more than a powder puff shot from beyond 12 yards. Which I always find bizarre in a professional footballer when they don't seem able to strike the ball properly. See also: Gabby Agbonlahor.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 18, 2015, 04:53:50 PM

My brother in law (Derby fan) says that its done, 4 year contract. Fee reported to be 2.5million - but who knows.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Damo70 on June 18, 2015, 05:00:36 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on June 18, 2015, 02:56:27 PM

Quote from: KevinGage on June 18, 2015, 02:47:58 PM

Will be good to see how he does with an extended run up top.

He has limitations to his game, he isn't fleet of foot enough or quick enough to play out wide on a consistent basis.

But up front, at a slightly lower standard, he could thrive.

If he's played as a striker, I expect he will do well in the Championship (not sure Darren Bent will be the right type of strike partner for him though).  Playing him in wide or deep areas just doesn't suit him at all.

Bent and Weimann. Welcome to the real world former Chelsea and Real Madrid coach Paul Clement.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard E on June 18, 2015, 05:03:18 PM

Quote from: TheMalandro on June 18, 2015, 04:53:50 PM

My brother in law (Derby fan) says that its done, 4 year contract. Fee reported to be 2.5million - but who knows.

The Meaning Evil are reporting it now.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on June 18, 2015, 05:04:07 PM

I think he's another one of our former youth team with a glittering future behind him. He just never pushed on from being promising and he'll spend the rest of his career flitting between promotion hopefuls and relegation candidates.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on June 18, 2015, 05:04:35 PM

Although thinking about it, thats where he's spent his career so far any road.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: manic-road on June 18, 2015, 05:06:18 PM

Good luck to Andi, I hope TS can get in a much better replacement.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: David_Nab on June 18, 2015, 05:15:40 PM

£2.75 mil reported fee by the Mail

Good luck think he will do well there

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Lsvilla on June 18, 2015, 05:17:53 PM

Bent and Weimann. Welcome to the real world former Chelsea and Real Madrid coach Paul Clement.

A great chance for him to demonstrate his coaching credentials with that pairing.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: clash city rocker on June 18, 2015, 05:18:54 PM

Has anyone read the nowhere men. It's about scouts in British football. Having read it I can see why moyes was so relatively successful  at everton. It also shows that a manager needs a lot of time at a club to get them playing how he wants and also to get the signings that fit in with his criteria.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 18, 2015, 05:28:31 PM

Quote from: Richard E on June 18, 2015, 05:03:18 PM

Quote from: TheMalandro on June 18, 2015, 04:53:50 PM

My brother in law (Derby fan) says that its done, 4 year contract. Fee reported to be 2.5million - but who knows.

The Meaning Evil are reporting it now.

Stealing my ITK. Bastards.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 18, 2015, 06:33:40 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 18, 2015, 04:37:28 PM

Don't want too sound harsh, but I didn't even particularly rate him as a finisher. He missed as may decent chances as he tucked away, and it's all about consistency at the top level. ironically, the first goal that he ever scored for us was easily his best. I'd put him in the same bracket as the likes of Adam Le Fondre, and would expect him to find his level in a midtable Championship side from hereon in.

I'd say his finish against Man Utd a couple of years ago after Smalling had been Benteke'd was better than crawling on his hands and knees to poke the ball home with his nose against Fulham for f##king 'eck

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on June 18, 2015, 06:37:39 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on June 18, 2015, 06:33:40 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 18, 2015, 04:37:28 PM

Don't want too sound harsh, but I didn't even particularly rate him as a finisher. He missed as may decent chances as he tucked away, and it's all about consistency at the top level. ironically, the first goal that he ever scored for us was easily his best. I'd put him in the same bracket as the likes of Adam Le Fondre, and would expect him to find his level in a midtable Championship side from hereon in.

I'd say his finish against Man Utd a couple of years ago after Smalling had been Benteke'd was better than crawling on his hands and knees to poke the ball home with his nose against Fulham for f##king 'eck

The one against liverpool about the same time was also a fantastic goal.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 18, 2015, 07:12:48 PM

Quote from: paul_e on June 18, 2015, 06:37:39 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on June 18, 2015, 06:33:40 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 18, 2015, 04:37:28 PM

Don't want too sound harsh, but I didn't even particularly rate him as a finisher. He missed as may decent chances as he tucked away, and it's all about consistency at the top level. ironically, the first goal that he ever scored for us was easily his best. I'd put him in the same bracket as the likes of Adam Le Fondre, and would expect him to find his level in a midtable Championship side from hereon in.

I'd say his finish against Man Utd a couple of years ago after Smalling had been Benteke'd was better than crawling on his hands and knees to poke the ball home with his nose against Fulham for f##king 'eck

The one against liverpool about the same time was also a fantastic goal.

Brilliant goal that.

https://youtu.be/sLLkr7Ztk9I?t=20s

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on June 18, 2015, 07:53:10 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on June 18, 2015, 07:12:48 PM

Quote from: paul_e on June 18, 2015, 06:37:39 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on June 18, 2015, 06:33:40 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 18, 2015, 04:37:28 PM

Don't want too sound harsh, but I didn't even particularly rate him as a finisher. He missed as may decent chances as he tucked away, and it's all about consistency at the top level. ironically, the first goal that he ever scored for us was easily his best. I'd put him in the same bracket as the likes of Adam Le Fondre, and would expect him to find his level in a midtable Championship side from hereon in.

I'd say his finish against Man Utd a couple of years ago after Smalling had been Benteke'd was better than crawling on his hands and knees to poke the ball home with his nose against Fulham for f##king 'eck

The one against liverpool about the same time was also a fantastic goal.

Brilliant goal that.

https://youtu.be/sLLkr7Ztk9I?t=20s

it's right up there with the best goals we've scored in the last 4-5 years for me, the movement and interplay is superb, just tore them apart.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 18, 2015, 07:53:59 PM

We've been linked with Tom Carroll. He's disappointed  at Swansea but I'm liking what I'm seeing so far

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 18, 2015, 08:24:06 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on June 18, 2015, 07:53:59 PM

We've been linked with Tom Carroll. He's disappointed  at Swansea but I'm liking what I'm seeing so far

Considering we've sold Weimann for £2.75m and he has more premier experience and has done more at this level then Carroll's worth should be considerably less. I wouldn't consider paying the reputed £5m Spurs wanted from Swansea for him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 18, 2015, 08:42:51 PM

Quote from: paul_e on June 18, 2015, 07:53:10 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on June 18, 2015, 07:12:48 PM

Quote from: paul_e on June 18, 2015, 06:37:39 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on June 18, 2015, 06:33:40 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 18, 2015, 04:37:28 PM

Don't want too sound harsh, but I didn't even particularly rate him as a finisher. He missed as may decent chances as he tucked away, and it's all about consistency at the top level. ironically, the first goal that he ever scored for us was easily his best. I'd put him in the same bracket as the likes of Adam Le Fondre, and would expect him to find his level in a midtable Championship side from hereon in.

I'd say his finish against Man Utd a couple of years ago after Smalling had been Benteke'd was better than crawling on his hands and knees to poke the ball home with his nose against Fulham for f##king 'eck

The one against liverpool about the same time was also a fantastic goal.

Brilliant goal that.

https://youtu.be/sLLkr7Ztk9I?t=20s

it's right up there with the best goals we've scored in the last 4-5 years for me, the movement and interplay is superb, just tore them apart.

Aye. Come to think of it, even though we were in relegation trouble the whole time the Lambert era really did give us some incredibly memorable high quality goals. It was just a shame there were not more of them. Weird.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on June 18, 2015, 08:51:03 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on June 18, 2015, 07:53:59 PM

We've been linked with Tom Carroll. He's disappointed  at Swansea but I'm liking what I'm seeing so far

I think he's been poor, Chalobah is the best midfielder on the pitch for me, he'd be worth a look.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 18, 2015, 09:00:21 PM

Yeah ever since I made that comment he's done nowt

Chalobah and Redmond have been the pick. Kane has been poor apart from a couple of shots

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: alan_clarke on June 18, 2015, 09:33:38 PM

Townsend 1/4 to join us on skybet

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 18, 2015, 09:39:41 PM

I've thought the u21's looked poor.

You have Butland in goal who didn't get that many games last season I don't think. Lindgard, who's crap and also didn't play often. Garbutt same problem. They don't seem to be getting the game time they did years ago do they.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 18, 2015, 09:40:39 PM

Quote from: paul_e on June 18, 2015, 08:51:03 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on June 18, 2015, 07:53:59 PM

We've been linked with Tom Carroll. He's disappointed  at Swansea but I'm liking what I'm seeing so far

I think he's been poor, Chalobah is the best midfielder on the pitch for me, he'd be worth a look.

Turn it in son. William carvalho class apart. But chalobah best english player. Hughes was awfula s was ward prowse whos only got a set piece in him but cant even kick it properly!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 18, 2015, 09:41:56 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on June 18, 2015, 09:39:41 PM

You have Butland in goal who didn't get that many games last season I don't think. Lindgard, who's crap and also didn't play often. Garbutt same problem. They don't seem to be getting the game time they did years ago do they.

In the 90s Michael Oakes seemed to be first choice keeper for the u21s for half a decade even though he never got off our bench.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard E on June 18, 2015, 09:58:46 PM

Quote from: alan_clarke on June 18, 2015, 09:33:38 PM

Townsend 1/4 to join us on skybet

It's such a small market, for his odds to go from 5/1 to 1/4 probably involved one person putting £2.50 on.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 18, 2015, 10:01:04 PM

Quote from: Dave on June 18, 2015, 09:41:56 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on June 18, 2015, 09:39:41 PM

You have Butland in goal who didn't get that many games last season I don't think. Lindgard, who's crap and also didn't play often. Garbutt same problem. They don't seem to be getting the game time they did years ago do they.

In the 90s Michael Oakes seemed to be first choice keeper for the u21s for half a decade even though he never got off our bench.

http://www.sport.co.uk/football/oakes-hung-like-a-shire-horse/17141#9LltPaq0keIkbXfs.97

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 18, 2015, 10:32:29 PM

Quote from: alan_clarke on June 18, 2015, 09:33:38 PM

Townsend 1/4 to join us on skybet

£1/4 Million?  £250,000?  Probably about right :)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 18, 2015, 10:36:31 PM

Quote from: alan_clarke on June 18, 2015, 09:33:38 PM

Townsend 1/4 to join us on skybet

Hope they're right. Would be an exciting signing.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 18, 2015, 10:42:26 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 18, 2015, 10:36:31 PM

Quote from: alan_clarke on June 18, 2015, 09:33:38 PM

Townsend 1/4 to join us on skybet

Hope they're right. Would be an exciting signing.

So far in his career he has only scored a bit less frequently than Weimann has for us. So as long as he doesn't cost us any more than we've just received from Derby.

Onwards and upwards.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on June 18, 2015, 10:45:45 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 18, 2015, 09:40:39 PM

Quote from: paul_e on June 18, 2015, 08:51:03 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on June 18, 2015, 07:53:59 PM

We've been linked with Tom Carroll. He's disappointed  at Swansea but I'm liking what I'm seeing so far

I think he's been poor, Chalobah is the best midfielder on the pitch for me, he'd be worth a look.

Turn it in son. William carvalho class apart. But chalobah best english player. Hughes was awfula s was ward prowse whos only got a set piece in him but cant even kick it properly!

At the point I posted that (i.e. half time) William Carvalho had barely been involved, but good job being patronizing.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 18, 2015, 10:53:59 PM

Quote from: Dave on June 18, 2015, 10:42:26 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 18, 2015, 10:36:31 PM

Quote from: alan_clarke on June 18, 2015, 09:33:38 PM

Townsend 1/4 to join us on skybet

Hope they're right. Would be an exciting signing.

So far in his career he has only scored a bit less frequently than Weimann has for us. So as long as he doesn't cost us any more than we've just received from Derby.

Onwards and upwards.

He's more an out and out winger. Goals aren't going to be the only way to measure his success.

He's a current England player. It's pretty rare, even when we were good, for us to sign one of them.

He has pace and skill. He'll occasionally bung one into the stand but so did Tony Daley and I liked him.

We're signing proper players to go straight into the team. We're paying proper wages. It's about time.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on June 18, 2015, 11:00:52 PM

Agreed. Townsend would be an almost immeasurable upgrade on Weimann in my opinion.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: gervilla on June 18, 2015, 11:02:39 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 18, 2015, 11:00:52 PM

Agreed. Townsend would be an almost immeasurable upgrade on Weimann in my opinion.

At about 4 times the price, I would hope so.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 18, 2015, 11:03:42 PM

Benteke up front. Sinclair, Grealish and Sinclair swarming at defenders behind him.

That sounds good to me. Might not be particularly solid at the back but defending is boring anyway.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: gervilla on June 18, 2015, 11:05:09 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 18, 2015, 11:03:42 PM

Benteke up front. Sinclair, Grealish and Sinclair swarming at defenders behind him.

That sounds good to me. Might not be particularly solid at the back but defending is boring anyway.

2 Sinclair's ?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 18, 2015, 11:05:37 PM

I thought Chalobah looked excellent last season too. Well worth a loan in my opinion.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 18, 2015, 11:07:45 PM

Quote from: gervilla on June 18, 2015, 11:05:09 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 18, 2015, 11:03:42 PM

Benteke up front. Sinclair, Grealish and Sinclair swarming at defenders behind him.

That sounds good to me. Might not be particularly solid at the back but defending is boring anyway.

2 Sinclair's ?

Better than than one Sinclair and one Townsend.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 18, 2015, 11:10:29 PM

Quote from: gervilla on June 18, 2015, 11:05:09 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 18, 2015, 11:03:42 PM

Benteke up front. Sinclair, Grealish and Sinclair swarming at defenders behind him.

That sounds good to me. Might not be particularly solid at the back but defending is boring anyway.

2 Sinclair's ?

The advantage of being two footed, he can pop up on the left and the right ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 18, 2015, 11:13:54 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 18, 2015, 10:53:59 PM

He's a current England player. It's pretty rare, even when we were good, for us to sign one of them.

Jamie Vardy, Rickie Lambert, Jack Colback and Ryan Mason come on down.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LTA on June 18, 2015, 11:15:07 PM

With Wiemann going, I bloody hope we have some strikers as targets.  All very well signing Richards, but we need bloody goals as well, especially when none of our midfielders contribute to the goal tally either.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: gervilla on June 18, 2015, 11:16:03 PM

Quote from: Dave on June 18, 2015, 11:07:45 PM

Quote from: gervilla on June 18, 2015, 11:05:09 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 18, 2015, 11:03:42 PM

Benteke up front. Sinclair, Grealish and Sinclair swarming at defenders behind him.

That sounds good to me. Might not be particularly solid at the back but defending is boring anyway.

2 Sinclair's ?

Better than than one Sinclair and one Townsend.

Personally, I'd be happy and surprised if we sign Townsend. It's been a while since we were signing decent internationals and proven Premier League players as opposed to bargain buys and punts on relatively unknown quantities from lower level European leagues.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 18, 2015, 11:17:07 PM

Quote from: Dave on June 18, 2015, 11:13:54 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 18, 2015, 10:53:59 PM

He's a current England player. It's pretty rare, even when we were good, for us to sign one of them.

Jamie Vardy, Rickie Lambert, Jack Colback and Ryan Mason come on down.

They've got about as many caps as Townsend between them. And we all wanted to sign Lambert in January!

Looking forward to seeing how Townsend gets on alongside the two Sinclairs.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 18, 2015, 11:17:53 PM

It's amazing how picky we all are. Whatever name gets thrown out there always seems to think they're absolute dross. We're not exactly in a position to get first pick of any player. As long as we're not in another relegation battle next season and we're good to watch, I'll be happy. Then we'll see about going further.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 18, 2015, 11:18:35 PM

Quote from: LTA on June 18, 2015, 11:15:07 PM

With Wiemann going, I bloody hope we have some strikers as targets.  All very well signing Richards, but we need bloody goals as well, especially when none of our midfielders contribute to the goal tally either.

If we'd signed a forward you'd be the first to moan that it definitely means Benteke's off.

It's June, we're not even allowed to sign anyone yet. Calm down. We'll sign at least one forward.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 18, 2015, 11:26:34 PM

Quote from: OCD on June 18, 2015, 11:17:53 PM

It's amazing how picky we all are. Whatever name gets thrown out there always seems to think they're absolute dross. We're not exactly in a position to get first pick of any player.

Well no, but if what we're being linked with is nothing better than what we are currently selling and they are potentially costing us five times as much then it's not really a case of being picky, it's a case of worrying if the money we have to spend is being frittered away unnecessarily.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 18, 2015, 11:33:27 PM

You don't like him, I get it. Suggesting he's no better than Weimann though? Come on. Stop being naughty.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 18, 2015, 11:37:20 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 18, 2015, 10:53:59 PM

Quote from: Dave on June 18, 2015, 10:42:26 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 18, 2015, 10:36:31 PM

Quote from: alan_clarke on June 18, 2015, 09:33:38 PM

Townsend 1/4 to join us on skybet

Hope they're right. Would be an exciting signing.

So far in his career he has only scored a bit less frequently than Weimann has for us. So as long as he doesn't cost us any more than we've just received from Derby.

Onwards and upwards.

He's more an out and out winger. Goals aren't going to be the only way to measure his success.

He's a current England player. It's pretty rare, even when we were good, for us to sign one of them.

He has pace and skill. He'll occasionally bung one into the stand but so did Tony Daley and I liked him.

We're signing proper players to go straight into the team. We're paying proper wages. It's about time.

Acting as we should. 'bout feckin time, indeed.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 18, 2015, 11:42:15 PM

So andi definitely gone. Feels strange as he's been at club so long. Inevitably sadness at departure as he's adopted villa . my abiding memory is his goal v Fulham in must win match and how he was so so up for it !! When he came on...He was either gonna win it or get sent off. Great efforts on many occasions and I actually see him tearing up the championship. I nearly started a thread entitled ' auf weimannersehen dear Andreas ' and pay homage to the guy. Thanks andi and good luck I'm sure we'll all be keeping an eye on his career .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 18, 2015, 11:49:25 PM

Quote from: paul_e on June 18, 2015, 10:45:45 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 18, 2015, 09:40:39 PM

Quote from: paul_e on June 18, 2015, 08:51:03 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on June 18, 2015, 07:53:59 PM

We've been linked with Tom Carroll. He's disappointed  at Swansea but I'm liking what I'm seeing so far

I think he's been poor, Chalobah is the best midfielder on the pitch for me, he'd be worth a look.

Turn it in son. William carvalho class apart. But chalobah best english player. Hughes was awfula s was ward prowse whos only got a set piece in him but cant even kick it properly!

At the point I posted that (i.e. half time) William Carvalho had barely been involved, but good job being patronizing.

Apologies . meaning more to chaleneg your opinion . so yes chabolah I hear is yet another Chelsea loan player. He could come in rather than the HUD or nzonzi add him to the list ! And he's younger which Sherwood likes. Maybe Pritchard too not sure on Carroll tbh

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 18, 2015, 11:51:11 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 18, 2015, 11:33:27 PM

You don't like him, I get it. Suggesting he's no better than Weimann though? Come on. Stop being naughty.

He scored 21 goals in 200 or so games, mainly playing as one of the wide players in a 4-3-3, so basically the same position as Weimann under Lambert. And a good quarter of Townsend's goals were penalties.

Weimann has scored more goals, from 50 or so fewer matches. And they're both 23, so it's not as if either one or t'other has had many more opportunities.

If he were worth us spending £10m+ on, wouldn't you expect him to score more frequently than the bloke we've just sold to Derby, rather than much less frequently?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 18, 2015, 11:53:19 PM

Weimann's played up front. Loads. Townsend's a winger, who has played full back. You're not comparing like with like, at all.

He'll be our most exciting winger since Young left, I reckon.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on June 18, 2015, 11:53:51 PM

Got to be honest I'd be massively underwhelmed if we spend that much money on Townsend.  He had, in my opinion, a couple of months of looking like a premier league class player and since then he's lived entirely on reputation.  6 goals and 5 assists in nearly 80 games does not make a £12m+ player.  I'd genuinely rather see us give Robinson a run in the team and I can't believe so many people are so happy with this link.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on June 18, 2015, 11:57:32 PM

Quote from: paul_e on June 18, 2015, 11:53:51 PM

Got to be honest I'd be massively underwhelmed if we spend that much money on Townsend.  He had, in my opinion, a couple of months of looking like a premier league class player and since then he's lived entirely on reputation.  6 goals and 5 assists in nearly 80 games (at the top level) does not make a £12m+ player.  I'd genuinely rather see us give Robinson a run in the team and I can't believe so many people are so happy with this link.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 18, 2015, 11:59:01 PM

Jesus Christ, I know we're linked with Townsend, but surely not to the extent of £12m?

That'd be shocking.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 19, 2015, 12:00:09 AM

Robinson? He could come good but, based on what we know so far he wasn't  good enough to play for Preston in the third tier.

And he's a forward, not a winger, too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 19, 2015, 12:00:47 AM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 18, 2015, 11:53:19 PM

Weimann's played up front. Loads.

Not since he was 20 years old and McLeish was our manager. He's spent the majority of his time with us cutting in from wide positions, just like Townsend does.

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 18, 2015, 11:53:19 PM

Townsend's a winger, who has played full back.

When was this that you're thinking of? I can't recall him ever being picked as a full-back.

Unless we're talking a very occasional O'Neill-style "we're losing 1-0 with ten minutes to go, let's stick a midfielder at full-back because more attacking players might mean we score" situation.

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 18, 2015, 11:53:19 PM

You're not comparing like with like, at all.

I'd say it's absolutely like with like. Two occasionally useful players who will come up with a great goal every ten matches and isn't quite good enough to stop us being in the bottom six.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 19, 2015, 12:01:37 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 18, 2015, 11:59:01 PM

Jesus Christ, I know we're linked with Townsend, but surely not to the extent of £12m?

That'd be shocking.

No big deal. £12 million under the new TV deal is worth about £7 million before.

Liverpool are trying to extort more than £50 million for Sterling.

Townsend's a snip by comparison.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 19, 2015, 12:03:09 AM

Yes, but it's the suggestion that Townsend is worthy of being placed in that 12m bracket that concerns me, however much the television money.

The new tv money also doesn't kick in till the season after the upcoming one, either.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 19, 2015, 12:04:20 AM

He might be ok for us but lets not forget rule 1. "Never do business with Levy at Spurs." He would end up mugging us for millions over a reasonable price. There are surely more exciting and better value players abroad.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 19, 2015, 12:04:24 AM

I also have to say, Townsend as well as Richards would suggest we're looking at cornering that "loads of energy but a bit brainless with the ball, loads of passion English player" area of the market.

Which suggests not having learned the lessons of years gone by.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 19, 2015, 12:08:09 AM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 19, 2015, 12:01:37 AM

Liverpool are trying to extort more than £50 million for Sterling.

Townsend's a snip by comparison.

Sinclair for £2.5m is a snip by comparison.

Do you see Townsend as being worth nearly five times the price of Sinclair?

Townsend for £12m is a 2015 version of Reo-Coker. The going rate for English mediocrity.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 19, 2015, 12:08:50 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 19, 2015, 12:03:09 AM

Yes, but it's the suggestion that Townsend is worthy of being placed in that 12m bracket that concerns me, however much the television money.

The new tv money also doesn't kick in till the season after the upcoming one, either.

It's effectively kicked in now in that we're guaranteed shitloads even if we finish bottom. Which we won't.

Similarly, I read somewhere that Bournemouth and Watford are already among the forty wealthiest clubs in the World.

I reckon just about everyone will spend at least thirty million this year. Even us.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 19, 2015, 12:11:44 AM

Well Sherwood has always openly been pro English players so I suppose its not surprising. Because we lived through the MON era we are probably more sensitive to the potential negative issues around buying British players than other fans.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 19, 2015, 12:11:46 AM

Quote from: Dave on June 19, 2015, 12:08:09 AM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 19, 2015, 12:01:37 AM

Liverpool are trying to extort more than £50 million for Sterling.

Townsend's a snip by comparison.

Sinclair for £2.5m is a snip by comparison.

Do you see Townsend as being worth nearly five times the price of Sinclair?

Townsend for £12m is a 2015 version of Reo-Coker. The going rate for English mediocrity.

No. We got a good deal for Sinclair.

Reo-Coker could've been good, I reckon. So could the similarly over-priced Davies. Not that relevant to this discussion though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 19, 2015, 12:13:55 AM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 19, 2015, 12:11:46 AM

Quote from: Dave on June 19, 2015, 12:08:09 AM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 19, 2015, 12:01:37 AM

Liverpool are trying to extort more than £50 million for Sterling.

Townsend's a snip by comparison.

Sinclair for £2.5m is a snip by comparison.

Do you see Townsend as being worth nearly five times the price of Sinclair?

Townsend for £12m is a 2015 version of Reo-Coker. The going rate for English mediocrity.

No. We got a good deal for Sinclair.

Great, well in which case let's go and get more good deals like that then rather than be taken to the cleaners by fackin' Spurs.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 19, 2015, 12:14:59 AM

Oh, and Townsend has twice as long left on his current contract as, respectively, Weimann or Sinclair had remaining at Villa/Man City. Which will clearly influence the value.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on June 19, 2015, 12:17:54 AM

I'd be interested to know what you guys think what Townsends valuation is in the current market if you think £12m is too much for him? You should also consider and compare the valuations that are being placed on better and worse players than him.

He hasn't been a regular in the Spuds team this season, but he's still making the England squad and was briefly the new media darling when Bale left...dare I say it, but he's nowhere as bad as some of you are making him out to be. He's actually a decent player with skills, attacking intent, an eye for goal and would improve the team.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 19, 2015, 12:20:33 AM

If you want to compare prices, a fairer one, fairer anyway than the laughable Weimann comparison, would be Young. Who actually plays in the same position as Townsend.

£9.6 million for a completely unproven player about three television deals ago. That turned out okay.

£12 million for Townsend is probably a bit steep, who cares though if he comes good? It's not our money, it's Sky/BT's.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 19, 2015, 12:26:07 AM

Anyhow. We probably won't even bloody sign him after all this bickering!

I reserve the right to say I always agreed with Dave if he ends up signing for someone else!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: adrenachrome on June 19, 2015, 12:27:22 AM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 19, 2015, 12:20:33 AM

If you want to compare prices, a fairer one, fairer anyway than the laughable Weimann comparison, would be Young. Who actually plays in the same position as Townsend.

£9.6 million for a completely unproven player about three television deals ago. That turned out okay.

£12 million for Townsend is probably a bit steep, who cares though if he comes good? It's not our money, it's Sky/BT's.

The concept of Opportunity Cost has been relevant for centuries, even in these days of the death throws of the bankrupt, degenerate capitalist  system, and the same rules apply. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on June 19, 2015, 12:31:31 AM

Well this is what you get if we do sign Townsend...£12m is a fair price if you ask me.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 19, 2015, 12:40:37 AM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 19, 2015, 12:20:33 AM

£12 million for Townsend is probably a bit steep, who cares though if he comes good? It's not our money, it's Sky/BT's.
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That's some amazingly twisted logic, there.

It is "our" money that we could spend better. We're currently still feeling the effects of the last bout of "who cares, there's loads of money" at the club.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 19, 2015, 12:42:22 AM

Yeah but I'm bored of that mindset. We're not gonna go bust, are we? Even teams like Swansea are spending a fortune. Frugality is boring.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 19, 2015, 12:42:54 AM

Quote from: KRS on June 19, 2015, 12:17:54 AM

I'd be interested to know what you guys think what Townsends valuation is in the current market if you think £12m is too much for him? You should also consider and compare the valuations that are being placed on better and worse players than him.

He hasn't been a regular in the Spuds team this season, but he's still making the England squad and was briefly the new media darling when Bale left...dare I say it, but he's nowhere as bad as some of you are making him out to be. He's actually a decent player with skills, attacking intent, an eye for goal and would improve the team.

re the "improve the team" thing.

Given how gobsmackingly shit we've been for five years, "he'd improve the team" is an argument almost totally without merit. So would lots and lots of players, but that doesn't mean they'd improve the team enough.

We can still improve quite a bit and remain totally unsatisfactory. We've just finished 17th.

For 12m, I'd expect "we'd improve a lot", not just "we'd improve".

Put it like this, we spend 12m on Townsend, how much money do you think we are then going to have left to improve the rest of the positions in the team?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 19, 2015, 12:44:08 AM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 19, 2015, 12:42:22 AM

Yeah but I'm bored of that mindset. We're not gonna go bust, are we? Even teams like Swansea are spending a fortune. Frugality is boring.

I'm bored of it as well, I'm tired of the boring penny pinching, but unless you are thinking we'll be having a 60m splurge this summer, spending 12 on Townsend strikes me as insane.

I don't have a major issue with signing him, but for *12m*, really?

And FWIW, looking at the books, we could quite easily have gone bust.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 19, 2015, 12:47:12 AM

Like I said, it's maybe a bit over. It'll be far from the most shocking price paid this summer though. If it works, we won't care about the fee. If it doesn't, we'll still recoup a fair chunk of it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on June 19, 2015, 12:48:55 AM

Ok, lets counter that with a quick glance around europe.  So the assists and 10th top scorer in the eredivisie last season was a guy at Twente called Hakim Ziyech, I'll post a similar video of him:

No idea what he'd cost but I'd doubt it would be much different to Townsend, he's not got a full international cap but he's right on the verge of the squad so the chances are he'll go up in value massively over the next year or 2.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 19, 2015, 01:11:43 AM

Lambert proved you can find good players without breaking the bank at inflated English prices. I don't mind Townsend but I certainly wouldn't pay £12m for him. The new TV money shouldn't be wasted on overpriced players. That's what fucked us up in the first place. It will be a huge positive step to show that we actually learnt from that.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 19, 2015, 01:31:25 AM

Carlos Gill is better and was only 3.25 mil! Imagine a swap deal plus cash for Townsend . That's some perspective. I wouldn't pay more than £6 mil for Townsend. Maybe add ons up to 2mil so max is 8mil. But! As stated before we have gill and really hope Sherwood uses him the coming season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 19, 2015, 01:31:35 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 19, 2015, 12:03:09 AM

Yes, but it's the suggestion that Townsend is worthy of being placed in that 12m bracket that concerns me, however much the television money.

The new tv money also doesn't kick in till the season after the upcoming one, either.

Let's not forget that Fulham paid £11m for Ross McCormack not too long ago.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 19, 2015, 01:48:28 AM

12mil does not seem unreasonable in the current market but if it is a big part o our budget then we need better value.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 19, 2015, 02:15:43 AM

I think he is worth between 6-10 million on current prices.

I thin the statement if Sherwood got a current England international player to come, would actually be quite powerful that we are not in the downtrodden mindset any more.

Is he any good - I actually think he is a decent player, he would add a different dimension to us.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on June 19, 2015, 02:21:55 AM

Its really quite simple really...if you don't want to pay £12m then your shopping in the relatively unknown overseas market where you don't know if the players will settle or adapt to life in England and the Premier League. What you'd get for £12m is a well known English international that you know will deliver the goods...some may argue that they don't like the goods he delivers but at least you know what you're getting.

If this figure of £12m thats been banded around does represent a large chunk of the transfer budget then questions should rightly be asked if we could find 2 or 3 players at £4m each from overseas or lower leagues...but don't be crying or complaining that the club should have spent more money on better quality players and we're at the arse end of the table again next season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on June 19, 2015, 02:31:27 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 19, 2015, 01:31:25 AM

Carlos Gill is better and was only 3.25 mil! Imagine a swap deal plus cash for Townsend . That's some perspective. I wouldn't pay more than £6 mil for Townsend. Maybe add ons up to 2mil so max is 8mil. But! As stated before we have gill and really hope Sherwood uses him the coming season.

Spuds aren't going to sell an established Premier League English international for £6-8m so you'd best get back to your scouting mission please footyskilz...stop slacking off! 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on June 19, 2015, 02:38:53 AM

Yeah, but is 12 million really worth the certainty of slightly above average wing play (which is what I view Townsend as offering)? Personally, I'm still of the opinion that our current squad, providing we keep Benteke, is comfortably good enough to finish a safe 10th-14th next season, having balanced our three hidings to finish the season against previous wins against the likes of Everton, Tottenham and Liverpool. In that light, I'd prefer going with a riskier player that might offer a greater return than Townsend.

Of course, I'd be pleased if we could get Townsend for around 5 million, because he's a decent player who I think would do well for a team outside the European spots. I just hate spending substantial sums of money on guaranteed mediocrity, because that's what got us in trouble last time.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: CT Villan on June 19, 2015, 03:54:34 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 19, 2015, 01:31:25 AM

Carlos Gill is better and was only 3.25 mil! Imagine a swap deal plus cash for Townsend . That's some perspective. I wouldn't pay more than £6 mil for Townsend. Maybe add ons up to 2mil so max is 8mil. But! As stated before we have gill and really hope Sherwood uses him the coming season.

There's something about Gill that smells fishy.

Wonder if he's as good as Carles Gil   :) ...and I agree, I'd rather keep him than spend silly money on Townsend.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on June 19, 2015, 04:23:53 AM

£12m is way too much, if we pay that spuds will have seen us coming a mile off.

If we've got £12m to spend on a midfielder that fits that figure then i'd be on the phone to Swansea for you know who.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 19, 2015, 08:07:09 AM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 19, 2015, 12:20:33 AM

If you want to compare prices, a fairer one, fairer anyway than the laughable Weimann comparison, would be Young. Who actually plays in the same position as Townsend.

Alright then, let's make that comparison - when we signed Ashley Young he'd scored more goals for Watford than Townsend has scored for his myriad of clubs, even though Young had played around a hundred fewer matches.

In the Premier League he was scoring around a goal every five matches when we signed him in January. Townsend scores around a goal every ten matches. Sinclair across his career gets about one in five, and last season with us was one in four.

So if we're spending £12m on somebody how is about half as good as Young and not as good as the guy we've just spent £2.5m on (and plays in the same position) I fail to see why we wouldn't be spending the money elsewhere.

In fact, thinking about it - the ideal comparison? The last person we spent that sort of money on with a similar one-in-ten record across his career?

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/04/14/11/278E528F00000578-0-image-m-38_1429007233257.jpg)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on June 19, 2015, 08:08:38 AM

Well if these are the sort signings that we are now looking at Richards, Sinclair, Huddlestone, Townsend

I'm in

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 19, 2015, 08:10:04 AM

If we're gonna spend £12-15m on a wide player I'm sure there is better value abroad, though it's clearly a risk. But wouldn't the following be either cheaper or better or both? Redmond, Moses, montero, dyer? I'm sure there is much better value abroad. When I think of Townsend I just picture him repeatedly cutting in from the right and drilling a 25 yard shot shy of the near post about four times per game. Unless we've got more money than I think, I'd rather spend it more wisely.

On another note, Demba Ba is making noises about coming back to the prem. we could do much worse as a benteke replacement if he does go.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on June 19, 2015, 08:11:24 AM

If Townsend had a good season with us, £12m would look like a snip.

I'm surprised at some of the comments about his perceived value, we were paying those fees for Young ,Downing and Milner 7-8 years ago  and they were about the same level.

It's the kind of investment we should be making. All of those previous deals ended up making us a profit.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 19, 2015, 08:17:22 AM

I agree it's the going rate for a young England winger. I just don't think he's actually that good

Southampton bought mane and tadic for £10m each last summer and I think they're both much, much better players

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on June 19, 2015, 08:19:00 AM

The 'For the money I think we can do better abroad' is just a cop out sentence

We've shopped abroad for the last 3 years, some players mainly Benteke have come good, but there is a whole host of foreign players bought in to the club who are no more than average and many not even that

I didn't think Lambert did badly on the money he spent in fairness, but it's got us into a perennial relegation battle, the players we have signed and are currently linked with I haven't got a problem with any of them at the moment

 btw I think Townsend is a far better player than Wieman, that's not based on stats but just on what I see when they play

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on June 19, 2015, 08:19:07 AM

Rather than comment on whether he is worth £12m or not, I do not think we should be tying up £12m in a player for that position.  I think there are more important gaps to fill with £10m+ players.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villatillidie25 on June 19, 2015, 08:40:44 AM

Agree with the above. We have far more pressing issues than a winger, namely left back, gk and centre mid (x2). I'd then say a striker and winger are needed.
As for Townsend, I personally really don't rate him, can't understand why he is anywhere near the England team, let alone the Spurs team. Having said that, he's an improvement on what we have but for £12m is nowhere near enough of an improvement.
Assuming things go reasonably well and in a season or two we are an 8-12 place team, we will all be wanting to get rid of him when his value will certainly not be higher. Basically, if we pay £12m for him that is probably the highest his value will ever be and I think we should largely stay clear of deals along those lines.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: MoetVillan on June 19, 2015, 08:51:55 AM

im old fashioned.  The bare minimum I want from my winger is the ability to find the striker in the box.  We have had some strong ones at Villa in recent years with Young, Downing and Milner all able to do that.  Townsend can beat a man with pace and skill, but is pretty average at best at getting the cross into the danger zone.  File under Shaun Shite Phillips and Aaron Lennon

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 19, 2015, 09:03:51 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 19, 2015, 12:04:24 AM

I also have to say, Townsend as well as Richards would suggest we're looking at cornering that "loads of energy but a bit brainless with the ball, loads of passion English player" area of the market.

Which suggests not having learned the lessons of years gone by.

I think that's a bit harsh Paulie, considering Richards was one of Man City's better players the year they won the title.

If we signed Townsend as well, it would suggest a few things; 1. that there is a bit more freedom for us to spend and 2. that we've learnt the lesson's of the past four years, that we need better players if the summit of our ambition extends beyond the bottom 6.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 19, 2015, 09:14:06 AM

Quote from: KRS on June 19, 2015, 02:31:27 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 19, 2015, 01:31:25 AM

Carlos Gill is better and was only 3.25 mil! Imagine a swap deal plus cash for Townsend . That's some perspective. I wouldn't pay more than £6 mil for Townsend. Maybe add ons up to 2mil so max is 8mil. But! As stated before we have gill and really hope Sherwood uses him the coming season.

Spuds aren't going to sell an established Premier League English international for £6-8m so you'd best get back to your scouting mission please footyskilz...stop slacking off!

Ha. Okay sure. But what of gill! And also I get that Townsend current international but he's not a starter at spurs bit like weimann not being fancied. Poch and levy clearly want lamela to deliver goods and with goal scorers eriksen and chadli in the team Townsend doesn't fit ad first choice. Does the dross want first team action or be left for just Europa games. The 2016 euro year coming up I think a loan with a view to buy could suit all parties. I just feel 12 mil is steep

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 19, 2015, 09:17:39 AM

Quote from: Ads on June 19, 2015, 09:03:51 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 19, 2015, 12:04:24 AM

I also have to say, Townsend as well as Richards would suggest we're looking at cornering that "loads of energy but a bit brainless with the ball, loads of passion English player" area of the market.

Which suggests not having learned the lessons of years gone by.

I think that's a bit harsh Paulie, considering Richards was one of Man City's better players the year they won the title.

If we signed Townsend as well, it would suggest a few things; 1. that there is a bit more freedom for us to spend and 2. that we've learnt the lesson's of the past four years, that we need better players if the summit of our ambition extends beyond the bottom 6.

I think what is being suggested and what I believe of Sherwood is that he has a type of player and character and unfortunate its not foreign ones . I also think Sherwood uses what he can work with and is therefor limited if anything Sherwood has the energy but lacks the brains .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: badluckeric(gates) on June 19, 2015, 09:27:12 AM

He changed the mentality of the team in a short space of time, got Benteke firing again and kept us up (albeit just), think I may give him the benefit of the doubt on who he fancies and who he doesn't.
for now anyway......

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Concrete John on June 19, 2015, 09:30:30 AM

I think if you rate Townsend then £12m for a player from a Europa side that's in the England side is at least the going rate.  If you don't, then obviously it isn't.

Personally I'd be ok with it if we have enough left for other areas.  However, it would make me worry about Benteke as it slightly reminds me of the way Spurs spent the Bale money before they sold him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on June 19, 2015, 09:35:09 AM

I’m very surprised that people are so anti the idea of spending £12million on a 23-year old England International. We know that there’s always a premium involved in buying English, but when you do so you eliminate the vast majority of risk of whether or not the player will adapt to the country and the pace of the league. The comparisons to the fee paid for Scott Sinclair, a player who was completely surplus to requirements at his previous club with a contract running down and hardly kicking a ball in anger, are completely irrelevant. So are the comparisons to similar players in inferior foreign leagues. We all know that better value can be found abroad, but we also know that it’s much more of a risk. If we want to be moving away from yet another relegation battle, we need to making signings that are as guaranteed as possible to deliver. Paying £12m for Andros Townsend ticks every box, as far as I’m concerned.

As for the stats comparison to Andi Weimann, I’d love to see a direct comparison with how frequently both give the ball away over an average 90 minute period, or fail to control a simple pass from a team-mate. Townsend is a much, much better player than Weimann and I can’t believe anyone would try to argue otherwise.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 19, 2015, 09:40:14 AM

Also we've just signed Sinclair, what's the point in signing Townsend?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 19, 2015, 09:45:05 AM

Well with Weimann gone and Bent (even though he didn't figure anyway), he may well bring in a new forward. I'd try and get Joel Campbell in. He looked great at the World Cup and Arsenal don't seem in a hurry to play him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on June 19, 2015, 09:45:34 AM

Quote from: RussellC on June 19, 2015, 09:35:09 AM

I’m very surprised that people are so anti the idea of spending £12million on a 23-year old England International. We know that there’s always a premium involved in buying English, but when you do so you eliminate the vast majority of risk of whether or not the player will adapt to the country and the pace of the league. The comparisons to the fee paid for Scott Sinclair, a player who was completely surplus to requirements at his previous club with a contract running down and hardly kicking a ball in anger, are completely irrelevant. So are the comparisons to similar players in inferior foreign leagues. We all know that better value can be found abroad, but we also know that it’s much more of a risk. If we want to be moving away from yet another relegation battle, we need to making signings that are as guaranteed as possible to deliver. Paying £12m for Andros Townsend ticks every box, as far as I’m concerned.

As for the stats comparison to Andi Weimann, I’d love to see a direct comparison with how frequently both give the ball away over an average 90 minute period, or fail to control a simple pass from a team-mate. Townsend is a much, much better player than Weimann and I can’t believe anyone would try to argue otherwise.

It depends on how much you think Townsend can improve. With the previous English wingers we've bought for that amount, Downing had an extended record of supplying goals for Middlesbrough; while you could still dream on Young and Milner developing. Townsend's never managed more than 2 goals or assists in a league season - granted, he hasn't played all that much at Spurs, but it's concerning when you're allegedly spending 12 million on him as a supposed guarantee.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Boz on June 19, 2015, 09:47:54 AM

I doubt Townsend wants to come to B6 anyway, he reported as saying he'd sooner stay at WHL.

IMO although in Woy's squad, (and he's better than Villa have), but he's not worth £12m and his main tactic is to cut inside and shoot, but most defenders know this and play him accordingly.

Must be better value elsewhere.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on June 19, 2015, 09:59:05 AM

Quote from: Boz on June 19, 2015, 09:47:54 AM

Must be better value elsewhere.

True, but you could apply that to literally every signing we make. And, as others have stated, the search for value for money carries a certain amount of risk. In my opinion, this transfer window needs to be concentrated on bringing in payers who will almost certainly ensure that we're not involved in another relegation battle. If that means spending over the odds, then so be it. I'd much rather us doing that than following the Tonev/Helenius  route again.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 19, 2015, 10:00:00 AM

Townsend would be an excellent signing even at £12m.

A midfield of Sinclair, Townsend, Delph sand Sanchez (if playing at their full potential) would be at least a mid table midfield.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 19, 2015, 10:01:05 AM

I do feel its narrow and limiting only to buy English or uk players.Southampton are bringing I some potential cracking players to add to the unknown untried to English fans including mane from austria who is far better than Townsend.. I believe its a balance and overseas players should not be discounted there's a risk with any footballer but its not as if players aren't scouted and dilgently examined before coming to prem. Yes agents tout players all night long but a player like bojan, cambiasso, are gems worth considering. I get there's only a third of English players in premier but its a global game and global market as well as global world. I prefer best 11 players representing villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on June 19, 2015, 10:07:23 AM

I think people vastly overestimate the ability to obtain something close to certainty through purchasing EPL players.

Look at QPR: last season, they brought in Ferdinand, Caulker, Fer and Sandro, who, on paper at the time, would have represented "proven" EPL players apparently capable of keeping you away from relegation, each of whom would've cost a bundle. A load of fucking good that did them.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: andyh on June 19, 2015, 10:08:04 AM

I'd rather have Phillips fro QPR than Townsend

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on June 19, 2015, 10:19:51 AM

The bit that gets me with all this is the assumption that UK based players will settle straight away and foreign players won't.  There's plenty of examples of English players moving and not recapturing their form.  For me it's a cop out people use to justify paying over the odds for average players.  Just like Nzog we'd be paying for the player he's been for 6months in his career when in all likelihood we'd get the player he's been for the rest of it.  Yes he's decent running with the ball and yes his wild Tonev style pot shots have led to a small number of goals but he can't cross, doesn't offer great movement, misses far more than he 'hits' when he's shooting and for me shows very little evidence that he'll suddenly become a 10 goal and 10 assist a season success that we'll all think was a bargain (which is effectively what happened with Young).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on June 19, 2015, 10:20:49 AM

I'd happily take him. Not a world-beater, but by no means a bad player. Which means he's likely to be several echelons above the absolute dirge we've been served up in recent years.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 19, 2015, 10:29:54 AM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 19, 2015, 10:00:00 AM

Townsend would be an excellent signing even at £12m.

A midfield of Sinclair, Townsend, Delph sand Sanchez (if playing at their full potential) would be at least a mid table midfield.

Yep.  I could see it being set up as:

                Sanchez       Delph

Townsend      Grealish      Sinclair

                      Benteke

Read in one paper today that N'Zonzi might be availbale as he is out of contract at the end of the coming season.  I think he would offer a solid presence alongside Delph and allow us to have a bit more freedom in attacking areas.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 19, 2015, 10:34:47 AM

Quote from: john e on June 19, 2015, 08:19:00 AM

The 'For the money I think we can do better abroad' is just a cop out sentence

We've shopped abroad for the last 3 years, some players mainly Benteke have come good, but there is a whole host of foreign players bought in to the club who are no more than average and many not even that

I didn't think Lambert did badly on the money he spent in fairness, but it's got us into a perennial relegation battle, the players we have signed and are currently linked with I haven't got a problem with any of them at the moment

 btw I think Townsend is a far better player than Wieman, that's not based on stats but just on what I see when they play

Disagree completely. Benteke for £7m. Okore £3-4m. Bacuna £1m. Under oneill we paid £4.5m for harewood, £9m for Davies and £4m for Luke Young.
If we got the likes of helenius Sylla tonev and Luna wrong for a combined outlay of  about £5m we should learn from that but we've made much worse signings in the past

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 19, 2015, 10:35:27 AM

Good point about Phillips too. Townsend would cost about double so I know where I'd be looking

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 19, 2015, 10:51:03 AM

Quote from: paul_e on June 19, 2015, 10:19:51 AM

Just like Nzog we'd be paying for the player he's been for 6months in his career when in all likelihood we'd get the player he's been for the rest of it.

That's so true. I know it's indisputable that he is an England international and people use that a lot to seemingly justify that price but I would suggest that a lot (not all) of people would agree that he shouldn't be. Particularly a regular which baffles me when he can't even get in the spurs XI. That goes for Welbeck to.

Also agree re. Phillips. And although the same logic of only playing well for a few months would apply (although I have no prior knowledge of the rest of his career) I'm presuming it would be at half the price.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 19, 2015, 11:07:56 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on June 19, 2015, 10:35:27 AM

Good point about Phillips too. Townsend would cost about double so I know where I'd be looking

You'd take a guy who can't get a look in for Scotland ahead of a regular England international? I support Scotland, but that still seems skewed logic.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 19, 2015, 11:13:35 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on June 19, 2015, 10:34:47 AM

Quote from: john e on June 19, 2015, 08:19:00 AM

The 'For the money I think we can do better abroad' is just a cop out sentence

We've shopped abroad for the last 3 years, some players mainly Benteke have come good, but there is a whole host of foreign players bought in to the club who are no more than average and many not even that

I didn't think Lambert did badly on the money he spent in fairness, but it's got us into a perennial relegation battle, the players we have signed and are currently linked with I haven't got a problem with any of them at the moment

 btw I think Townsend is a far better player than Wieman, that's not based on stats but just on what I see when they play

Disagree completely. Benteke for £7m. Okore £3-4m. Bacuna £1m. Under oneill we paid £4.5m for harewood, £9m for Davies and £4m for Luke Young.
If we got the likes of helenius Sylla tonev and Luna wrong for a combined outlay of  about £5m we should learn from that but we've made much worse signings in the past

Indeed.

Yes, Sylla and Luna were rubbish at the cost of £1m a piece. If we'd spent £1m on equivalent players from England, they also probably wouldn't have been amazing.

Surprise, surprise when we spent £7-8m on a player from abroad then they are pretty good. We should be signing the next Mané, Coutinho, Eriksen - they all went for around £10-12m. If we're actually going to spend some money it would be a shame to settle for somebody inferior just because they happen to be English.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 19, 2015, 11:20:16 AM

I think Phillips is a better player than Townsend and he would certainly be cheaper, as any Englishman costs a fortune.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: FatSam on June 19, 2015, 11:24:50 AM

Southampton do business early in the window which indicates they know who they want, and they're gettable. They've already signed a couple of 22/ 23 year olds from abroad, spending £3-4m. They seem to get good value. I suppose they are adding them into a much stronger squad.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on June 19, 2015, 11:39:45 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 19, 2015, 09:14:06 AM

Quote from: KRS on June 19, 2015, 02:31:27 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 19, 2015, 01:31:25 AM

Carlos Gill is better and was only 3.25 mil! Imagine a swap deal plus cash for Townsend . That's some perspective. I wouldn't pay more than £6 mil for Townsend. Maybe add ons up to 2mil so max is 8mil. But! As stated before we have gill and really hope Sherwood uses him the coming season.

Spuds aren't going to sell an established Premier League English international for £6-8m so you'd best get back to your scouting mission please footyskilz...stop slacking off!

Ha. Okay sure. 1. But what of gill! And also I get that Townsend current international but he's not a starter at spurs bit like 2. weimann not being fancied. Poch and levy clearly want lamela to deliver goods and with goal scorers eriksen and chadli in the team Townsend doesn't fit ad first choice. 3. Does the dross want first team action or be left for just Europa games. The 2016 euro year coming up I think a loan with a view to buy could suit all parties. 4. I just feel 12 mil is steep

1. File under "fuck knows"...clearly TS either doesn't fancy him, he hasn't shown enough in training or he didn't feel he is the kind of player suitable for the relegation scrap we were in.
2. You cannot compare Townsend to Weimann...they are worlds apart in their general ability.
3. Townsend will be looking for first team football either at Spuds or another club...the question is if he'll be patient and fight for his place or jump ship to guarantee first team football elsewhere.
4. I agree that a loan would be a much better option for us but I suspect Spuds would rather keep him available in the squad or cash in than send him out on loan.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on June 19, 2015, 11:56:38 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 19, 2015, 10:01:05 AM

I do feel its narrow and limiting only to buy English or uk players.Southampton are bringing I some potential cracking players to add to the unknown untried to English fans including mane from austria who is far better than Townsend.

Quote from: FatSam on June 19, 2015, 11:24:50 AM

Southampton do business early in the window which indicates they know who they want, and they're gettable. They've already signed a couple of 22/ 23 year olds from abroad, spending £3-4m. They seem to get good value. I suppose they are adding them into a much stronger squad.

I'd suggest that its a dangerous precedent for us to follow the Southampton approach to recruiting overseas players at this point in time...they have the foundations of a strong squad that has qualified for Europa League next season, and have an excellent and experienced European manager and presumably a stronger European scouting network. Southampton are in a position where they can afford to take risks on relatively unknown foreign players and need to add to their squad for Europa League football...they can afford to take the risk if a few of their new signings don't work.

Compare that to our position which is a poor squad lacking quality and strength in depth that just about avoided relegation; we don't have an experienced manager or European scouting network; and we certainly can't afford the luxury of taking risks on unknown up and coming European players...if we get it wrong this summer then it could be the difference between survival and relegation next season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 19, 2015, 11:56:47 AM

Okay the answer then is Janazuji on loan. Euro 2016 year coming up. Needs game time and would be more effective and exciting  than Townsend.
Others to consider would be natan Dyer at Swansea, Robbie Brady and matt Philips I see them as better goal scoring threats than dross.
Sherwood making his own team would see 4-5 changes max in line up from Lambert team. But I wonder how many new faces would start after replacing those he moved on. We heard that lugano chose qpr as he was likely to play so I guess some signings coming in would be added to squad. Could well be a case of robinson, gards, herdy and Bennett coming in to take up squad places.
And of course we have Kozak and Gill our versions of Pelle and Mane/Elijah/Tadic.
I actually think Kozak be effective and as good as big man like Pelle or ariel threat likje andy carroll both has shown this so forgotten man kozack in euro 2016 year could be very handy in deed. If villa can play strength like Southampton a pairing of benteke kozack be effective with Sinclair and Phillips as width.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 19, 2015, 12:15:08 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on June 19, 2015, 10:29:54 AM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 19, 2015, 10:00:00 AM

Townsend would be an excellent signing even at £12m.

A midfield of Sinclair, Townsend, Delph sand Sanchez (if playing at their full potential) would be at least a mid table midfield.

Yep.  I could see it being set up as:

                Sanchez       Delph

Townsend      Grealish      Sinclair

                      Benteke

Read in one paper today that N'Zonzi might be availbale as he is out of contract at the end of the coming season.  I think he would offer a solid presence alongside Delph and allow us to have a bit more freedom in attacking areas.

Yep, that's exactly how I see it on the line up. Grealish in kind of a free role with the wingers either side and a hardworking engine room. Nzogbia and Gabby could be back up. The only problem of course would be if Benteke goes, we would need to find a similar player to replace him. Id like to see more defensive reinforcements also, certainly a couple more.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 19, 2015, 12:21:02 PM

Quote from: KRS on June 19, 2015, 11:39:45 AM

You cannot compare Townsend to Weimann...they are worlds apart in their general ability.

People keep saying this, but what is there that backs this up?

If he were scoring lots of goals or creating lots of goals for his teammates then great, it would be good to bring him in.

But he doesn't. He seems to be a winger who doesn't score or create anything. We've got one of them already.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on June 19, 2015, 12:26:06 PM

Quote from: KRS on June 19, 2015, 11:56:38 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 19, 2015, 10:01:05 AM

I do feel its narrow and limiting only to buy English or uk players.Southampton are bringing I some potential cracking players to add to the unknown untried to English fans including mane from austria who is far better than Townsend.

Quote from: FatSam on June 19, 2015, 11:24:50 AM

Southampton do business early in the window which indicates they know who they want, and they're gettable. They've already signed a couple of 22/ 23 year olds from abroad, spending £3-4m. They seem to get good value. I suppose they are adding them into a much stronger squad.

I'd suggest that its a dangerous precedent for us to follow the Southampton approach to recruiting overseas players at this point in time...they have the foundations of a strong squad that has qualified for Europa League next season, and have an excellent and experienced European manager and presumably a stronger European scouting network. Southampton are in a position where they can afford to take risks on relatively unknown foreign players and need to add to their squad for Europa League football...they can afford to take the risk if a few of their new signings don't work.

Compare that to our position which is a poor squad lacking quality and strength in depth that just about avoided relegation; we don't have an experienced manager or European scouting network; and we certainly can't afford the luxury of taking risks on unknown up and coming European players...if we get it wrong this summer then it could be the difference between survival and relegation next season.

Yes the solution to fixing a poor squad is to spend a fortune on players that marginally improve it rather than risk buying players who could be much better for lower fees on lower wages.  If townsend had anything about him to suggest that he alone would be worth 3-4 places in the league I'd be all for it but he averages 2 goals and 2 assists a season, as a winger he has to be better than that, those are the sort of figures you'd expect from a full back.  He's another player who has been given much better press than his ability or record deserves so people have been fooled into thinking he's a better player than he is.

The simple solution would be to sign up on a spurs forum and ask them what they think, I doubt you'll find many that want to keep him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 19, 2015, 12:34:15 PM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 19, 2015, 12:15:08 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on June 19, 2015, 10:29:54 AM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 19, 2015, 10:00:00 AM

Townsend would be an excellent signing even at £12m.

A midfield of Sinclair, Townsend, Delph sand Sanchez (if playing at their full potential) would be at least a mid table midfield.

Yep.  I could see it being set up as:

                Sanchez       Delph

Townsend      Grealish      Sinclair

                      Benteke

Read in one paper today that N'Zonzi might be availbale as he is out of contract at the end of the coming season.  I think he would offer a solid presence alongside Delph and allow us to have a bit more freedom in attacking areas.

Yep, that's exactly how I see it on the line up. Grealish in kind of a free role with the wingers either side and a hardworking engine room. Nzogbia and Gabby could be back up. The only problem of course would be if Benteke goes, we would need to find a similar player to replace him. Id like to see more defensive reinforcements also, certainly a couple more.

So the only player brought in is Townsend? And grealish promoted as Sinclair is a lambert buy
Where's the rest of the line up ?? Imagine you're thinking new full backs and a gk ? For the four (5 including jack) new team of sherwoods

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 19, 2015, 12:51:19 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 19, 2015, 12:34:15 PM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 19, 2015, 12:15:08 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on June 19, 2015, 10:29:54 AM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 19, 2015, 10:00:00 AM

Townsend would be an excellent signing even at £12m.

A midfield of Sinclair, Townsend, Delph sand Sanchez (if playing at their full potential) would be at least a mid table midfield.

Yep.  I could see it being set up as:

                Sanchez       Delph

Townsend      Grealish      Sinclair

                      Benteke

Read in one paper today that N'Zonzi might be availbale as he is out of contract at the end of the coming season.  I think he would offer a solid presence alongside Delph and allow us to have a bit more freedom in attacking areas.

Yep, that's exactly how I see it on the line up. Grealish in kind of a free role with the wingers either side and a hardworking engine room. Nzogbia and Gabby could be back up. The only problem of course would be if Benteke goes, we would need to find a similar player to replace him. Id like to see more defensive reinforcements also, certainly a couple more.

So the only player brought in is Townsend? And grealish promoted as Sinclair is a lambert buy
Where's the rest of the line up ?? Imagine you're thinking new full backs and a gk ? For the four (5 including jack) new team of sherwoods

Freddy Adu?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 19, 2015, 12:51:25 PM

I can see why he would want Huddlestone if he's going with pace either side of Benteke or whoever, as you'd be wanting to move the ball quickly from deep in that case into the wide areas.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 19, 2015, 12:58:23 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 19, 2015, 12:34:15 PM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 19, 2015, 12:15:08 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on June 19, 2015, 10:29:54 AM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 19, 2015, 10:00:00 AM

Townsend would be an excellent signing even at £12m.

A midfield of Sinclair, Townsend, Delph sand Sanchez (if playing at their full potential) would be at least a mid table midfield.

Yep.  I could see it being set up as:

                Sanchez       Delph

Townsend      Grealish      Sinclair

                      Benteke

Read in one paper today that N'Zonzi might be availbale as he is out of contract at the end of the coming season.  I think he would offer a solid presence alongside Delph and allow us to have a bit more freedom in attacking areas.

Yep, that's exactly how I see it on the line up. Grealish in kind of a free role with the wingers either side and a hardworking engine room. Nzogbia and Gabby could be back up. The only problem of course would be if Benteke goes, we would need to find a similar player to replace him. Id like to see more defensive reinforcements also, certainly a couple more.

So the only player brought in is Townsend? And grealish promoted as Sinclair is a lambert buy
Where's the rest of the line up ?? Imagine you're thinking new full backs and a gk ? For the four (5 including jack) new team of sherwoods

Are you on something?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on June 19, 2015, 01:05:45 PM

No Spearing?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 19, 2015, 01:09:58 PM

Just the usual its how I am actually!! Lets leave personal stuff aside all are welcome on here just coz I don't always speak great English, have rapid thinking and individual thinking that's all. We re all diff ! And villa.
And remember Hull bought in lots of players too and look what happened ben Arthur, Gaston, Livermore , Dawson, all ended up relegated along with Hernandez and Snodgrass though he was injured.
Anyway I was thinking and wondering what rest of sherwoods line up be that's all.
I'm not one for checking or previewing posts just put it out there and always makes sense too me!!
The just is that which line up of Sherwood players and lamberts players by close of window.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 19, 2015, 01:19:25 PM

Adu and spearing would have been better than sylla and hellenius or tonev. Ok altidore didn't work out in prem league surprising giving his abilities and athletic prowress. But some names need to be banded about so can see opinion of others. Like Townsend some enjoy his play others skeptical. In all honesty adu is as good as Joe Cole right now and despite less trophies had the same hype in his country. I actually rate alot of the American players . Spearing was schooled at Liverpool so will have a basis of good football like mark noble west ham and football philosophy but didn't make it. I remember seeing spearing in Liverpool documentrsy with Rodgers signedup as manager to promte Liverpool in usa. The owners clearly rated local spearing as he was a main feature. To me he like Danny murphy.
Anyway side tracked. Though I'm sure that Liverpool documentary is on youtube or something. Had Rodgers signing welsh xavi Joe Allen. Very cringe

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 19, 2015, 01:31:13 PM

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wujTSELwsPA

Rodgers laying it down to sterling but this is documentry I mean and featured spearing

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 19, 2015, 01:35:28 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 19, 2015, 12:34:15 PM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 19, 2015, 12:15:08 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on June 19, 2015, 10:29:54 AM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 19, 2015, 10:00:00 AM

Townsend would be an excellent signing even at £12m.

A midfield of Sinclair, Townsend, Delph sand Sanchez (if playing at their full potential) would be at least a mid table midfield.

Yep.  I could see it being set up as:

                Sanchez       Delph

Townsend      Grealish      Sinclair

                      Benteke

Read in one paper today that N'Zonzi might be availbale as he is out of contract at the end of the coming season.  I think he would offer a solid presence alongside Delph and allow us to have a bit more freedom in attacking areas.

Yep, that's exactly how I see it on the line up. Grealish in kind of a free role with the wingers either side and a hardworking engine room. Nzogbia and Gabby could be back up. The only problem of course would be if Benteke goes, we would need to find a similar player to replace him. Id like to see more defensive reinforcements also, certainly a couple more.

So the only player brought in is Townsend? And grealish promoted as Sinclair is a lambert buy
Where's the rest of the line up ?? Imagine you're thinking new full backs and a gk ? For the four (5 including jack) new team of sherwoods

As you ask, I would imagine the back fopur looking something like:

                         Guzan

Richards    Vlaar         Clark       ?


So, a new LB and if Vlaar goes we are going to have to replace him.  I would like to see another keeper come in (really impressed with Heaton in the last league game, but not sure if he is that good on a consistent basis), but don't think it is a priority if money is tight.  We would also have to beef the squad up a bit, with at least another midfielder and striker.   

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 19, 2015, 01:47:28 PM

Quote from: KRS on June 19, 2015, 12:31:31 AM

Well this is what you get if we do sign Townsend...£12m is a fair price if you ask me.

What I do like about Townsend which always frustrates me about villa.

We never shoot , times we over play it when the player should have a crack , thou andi used to wind me up shooting while their was someone in a better position. But I do like to see a player have a crack on goal and Townsend's shooting is better than tonev's.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 19, 2015, 01:56:08 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 19, 2015, 01:09:58 PM

And remember Hull bought in lots of players too and look what happened ben Arthur, Gaston, Livermore , Dawson, all ended up relegated along with Hernandez and Snodgrass though he was injured.

You left out Huddlestone.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on June 19, 2015, 02:00:19 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 19, 2015, 01:19:25 PM

Adu and spearing would have been better than sylla and hellenius or tonev. Ok altidore didn't work out in prem league surprising giving his abilities and athletic prowress. But some names need to be banded about so can see opinion of others. Like Townsend some enjoy his play others skeptical. In all honesty adu is as good as Joe Cole right now and despite less trophies had the same hype in his country. I actually rate alot of the American players . Spearing was schooled at Liverpool so will have a basis of good football like mark noble west ham and football philosophy but didn't make it. I remember seeing spearing in Liverpool documentrsy with Rodgers signedup as manager to promte Liverpool in usa. The owners clearly rated local spearing as he was a main feature. To me he like Danny murphy.
Anyway side tracked. Though I'm sure that Liverpool documentary is on youtube or something. Had Rodgers signing welsh xavi Joe Allen. Very cringe

Freddy Adu now plays for that well known Finnish Club, KuPS.  So tell me, how have you managed to track his progress? 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 19, 2015, 02:14:38 PM

Townsend is a bit of a highlights player for me. He does occasional high profile things that are brilliant, but spends a lot of time doing not a lot. I wouldn't be devestated if we signed him, but I wouldn't be delighted either. It all depends how much money we have available.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: FatSam on June 19, 2015, 02:22:18 PM

I haven't followed where all this Townsend speculation started from, so I don't know if he is is thought to be available or not. However, seeing Pritchard's cameo appearance for the U21s the other night, Spurs might be thinking that he could replace Townsend in the team.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ryu on June 19, 2015, 02:31:04 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 19, 2015, 02:14:38 PM

Townsend is a bit of a highlights player for me. He does occasional high profile things that are brilliant, but spends a lot of time doing not a lot. I wouldn't be devestated if we signed him, but I wouldn't be delighted either. It all depends how much money we have available.

There is probably something in what you say but when I watched that video I was thinking could I imagine any of our current squad scoring goals like that.  Possibly Sinclair but if we're not after Townsend I hope we're looking at similar players.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Concrete John on June 19, 2015, 02:44:04 PM

Quote from: paul_e on June 19, 2015, 12:26:06 PM

Quote from: KRS on June 19, 2015, 11:56:38 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 19, 2015, 10:01:05 AM

I do feel its narrow and limiting only to buy English or uk players.Southampton are bringing I some potential cracking players to add to the unknown untried to English fans including mane from austria who is far better than Townsend.

Quote from: FatSam on June 19, 2015, 11:24:50 AM

Southampton do business early in the window which indicates they know who they want, and they're gettable. They've already signed a couple of 22/ 23 year olds from abroad, spending £3-4m. They seem to get good value. I suppose they are adding them into a much stronger squad.

I'd suggest that its a dangerous precedent for us to follow the Southampton approach to recruiting overseas players at this point in time...they have the foundations of a strong squad that has qualified for Europa League next season, and have an excellent and experienced European manager and presumably a stronger European scouting network. Southampton are in a position where they can afford to take risks on relatively unknown foreign players and need to add to their squad for Europa League football...they can afford to take the risk if a few of their new signings don't work.

Compare that to our position which is a poor squad lacking quality and strength in depth that just about avoided relegation; we don't have an experienced manager or European scouting network; and we certainly can't afford the luxury of taking risks on unknown up and coming European players...if we get it wrong this summer then it could be the difference between survival and relegation next season.

Yes the solution to fixing a poor squad is to spend a fortune on players that marginally improve it rather than risk buying players who could be much better for lower fees on lower wages.  If townsend had anything about him to suggest that he alone would be worth 3-4 places in the league I'd be all for it but he averages 2 goals and 2 assists a season, as a winger he has to be better than that, those are the sort of figures you'd expect from a full back.  He's another player who has been given much better press than his ability or record deserves so people have been fooled into thinking he's a better player than he is.

The simple solution would be to sign up on a spurs forum and ask them what they think, I doubt you'll find many that want to keep him.

I would argue that buying players for lower fees and on lower wages who might be better is how we ended up where we are right now.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 19, 2015, 02:48:18 PM

That's the thing, a sense of perspective might be in order here as to where we are as a club and a team. If you don't think Townsend is worth the money fair enough, but if you don't think he would improve the team, think back to the last few matches last season. If you think we should be aiming higher, you're in for a seriously disappointing close season.

We finished one place above the relegation zone and we're talking about signing a full England International. Think about it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on June 19, 2015, 02:59:13 PM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 19, 2015, 02:48:18 PM

That's the thing, a sense of perspective might be in order here as to where we are as a club and a team. If you don't think Townsend is worth the money fair enough, but if you don't think he would improve the team, think back to the last few matches last season. If you think we should be aiming higher, you're in for a seriously disappointing close season.

We finished one place above the relegation zone and we're talking about signing a full England International. Think about it.

It depends on what you mean by "aiming higher". We're obviously not going to attract hot property such as, for a random example, Alexandre Lacazette. But why can't we attract a Benteke-type talent from the continent? I doubt we're any less of an attractive proposition than we were back in 2012, when we signed him. Yeah, I know we've had a few more low finishes, but I doubt that does too much once you wave enough cash in their faces.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 19, 2015, 03:02:08 PM

I think it's a lot of money for a player who isn't a regular for his club. The fact that he makes the England team says more about the selection process and depth of our pool of players than about the quality of the player. That said we did finish just outside the relegation zone and at the right price he would add to what we have. I just can't figure where he fits in given that we still have Gil on the books and Sinclair just signed. But the topic of the fee aside if the summer did start with us signing Sinclair, Richards and Townsend, it's hardly a bad situation to be in.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Concrete John on June 19, 2015, 03:08:46 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 19, 2015, 03:02:08 PM

I think it's a lot of money for a player who isn't a regular for his club. The fact that he makes the England team says more about the selection process and depth of our pool of players than about the quality of the player. That said we did finish just outside the relegation zone and at the right price he would add to what we have. I just can't figure where he fits in given that we still have Gil on the books and Sinclair just signed. But the topic of the fee aside if the summer did start with us signing Sinclair, Richards and Townsend, it's hardly a bad situation to be in.

I always thought he plays better for England than Spurs, so he retains his international place on the back of those performances.

And I think it's obvious TS doesn't rate Gil for whatever reason, so if you play Sinclair in any sort of a balanced side you need another winger on the other side.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 19, 2015, 03:12:58 PM

We all love the idea of unearthing a gem from Europe or anywhere for that matter but it doesn't work out more than it does. In fairness I think we should be looking to add a couple like that as well, but I can't help thinking Townsend is nailed on to make a significant improvement to our team given a regular place. We need that bit of assurance. Re Gill, I like him but I don't think Sherwood does. I think regarding where to play Townsend, he would play right with Sinclair left and Grealish off the striker.
I agree the England team is not what is was, but the typical standard of player in the England team is still a step up from the typical Aston Villa player at present.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on June 19, 2015, 03:21:14 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 19, 2015, 02:44:04 PM

Quote from: paul_e on June 19, 2015, 12:26:06 PM

Quote from: KRS on June 19, 2015, 11:56:38 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 19, 2015, 10:01:05 AM

I do feel its narrow and limiting only to buy English or uk players.Southampton are bringing I some potential cracking players to add to the unknown untried to English fans including mane from austria who is far better than Townsend.

Quote from: FatSam on June 19, 2015, 11:24:50 AM

Southampton do business early in the window which indicates they know who they want, and they're gettable. They've already signed a couple of 22/ 23 year olds from abroad, spending £3-4m. They seem to get good value. I suppose they are adding them into a much stronger squad.

I'd suggest that its a dangerous precedent for us to follow the Southampton approach to recruiting overseas players at this point in time...they have the foundations of a strong squad that has qualified for Europa League next season, and have an excellent and experienced European manager and presumably a stronger European scouting network. Southampton are in a position where they can afford to take risks on relatively unknown foreign players and need to add to their squad for Europa League football...they can afford to take the risk if a few of their new signings don't work.

Compare that to our position which is a poor squad lacking quality and strength in depth that just about avoided relegation; we don't have an experienced manager or European scouting network; and we certainly can't afford the luxury of taking risks on unknown up and coming European players...if we get it wrong this summer then it could be the difference between survival and relegation next season.

Yes the solution to fixing a poor squad is to spend a fortune on players that marginally improve it rather than risk buying players who could be much better for lower fees on lower wages.  If townsend had anything about him to suggest that he alone would be worth 3-4 places in the league I'd be all for it but he averages 2 goals and 2 assists a season, as a winger he has to be better than that, those are the sort of figures you'd expect from a full back.  He's another player who has been given much better press than his ability or record deserves so people have been fooled into thinking he's a better player than he is.

The simple solution would be to sign up on a spurs forum and ask them what they think, I doubt you'll find many that want to keep him.

I would argue that buying players for lower fees and on lower wages who might be better is how we ended up where we are right now.

There's a balance, average and overpriced was the mon way and caused 4-5 years of book balancing and relegation battles.  The type of signings I like are Benteke, Okore level both in terms of quality and price, that 4-8m bracket, that's the market we should be working in. Townsend would be just another expensive mistake in my opinion, the odd flash of quality from him is too infrequent, it's alarmingly similar to nzog and ireland who I also didn't want but a fair few fans were really excited about, I think he'd go exactly the same way as them.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 19, 2015, 03:38:56 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 19, 2015, 03:08:46 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 19, 2015, 03:02:08 PM

I think it's a lot of money for a player who isn't a regular for his club. The fact that he makes the England team says more about the selection process and depth of our pool of players than about the quality of the player. That said we did finish just outside the relegation zone and at the right price he would add to what we have. I just can't figure where he fits in given that we still have Gil on the books and Sinclair just signed. But the topic of the fee aside if the summer did start with us signing Sinclair, Richards and Townsend, it's hardly a bad situation to be in.

I always thought he plays better for England than Spurs, so he retains his international place on the back of those performances.

And I think it's obvious TS doesn't rate Gil for whatever reason, so if you play Sinclair in any sort of a balanced side you need another winger on the other side.

I read something last season about the lack of players for Hodgson to pick from, and it pointed out that the previous weekend to publication, less than 40 of the players who had played in the Premier League round of fixtures would actually qualify to play for England.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 19, 2015, 03:52:41 PM

I don't think we need to worry about signing Townsend anyway, we'll have Tonev back this season won't we?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Concrete John on June 19, 2015, 04:13:47 PM

Quote from: paul_e on June 19, 2015, 03:21:14 PM

There's a balance, average and overpriced was the mon way and caused 4-5 years of book balancing and relegation battles.  The type of signings I like are Benteke, Okore level both in terms of quality and price, that 4-8m bracket, that's the market we should be working in. Townsend would be just another expensive mistake in my opinion, the odd flash of quality from him is too infrequent, it's alarmingly similar to nzog and ireland who I also didn't want but a fair few fans were really excited about, I think he'd go exactly the same way as them.

Even those £4m to £8m signings are a gamble as they represent the lower end of the market for a PL club.  We've had mixed fortunes with it, whereas the likes of Southampton fair better, probably through superior scouting.

I think there are two arguments here.  The first is whether £12m English players is the way to go and the other whether Townsend is worth £12m.  For the first, I say I'd feel securer going that way than not, with the proviso it isn't our sole route to recruiting.  As to the second, it's quite comparative, but I think he'd improve the side.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: warleyboy on June 19, 2015, 04:25:07 PM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 19, 2015, 02:48:18 PM

That's the thing, a sense of perspective might be in order here as to where we are as a club and a team. If you don't think Townsend is worth the money fair enough, but if you don't think he would improve the team, think back to the last few matches last season. If you think we should be aiming higher, you're in for a seriously disappointing close season.

We finished one place above the relegation zone and we're talking about signing a full England International. Think about it.

This.
He would definitely make an improvement to our team.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on June 19, 2015, 04:31:42 PM

After the last few years I'm still very doubtful we will be spending 12 mill on a player
I've been conditioned now and I'm not sure how to react to that sort of speculation

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 19, 2015, 04:36:27 PM

Trippier signs for spurs.

So is walker available?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 19, 2015, 04:37:43 PM

Quote from: FatSam on June 19, 2015, 02:22:18 PM

I haven't followed where all this Townsend speculation started from, so I don't know if he is is thought to be available or not. However, seeing Pritchard's cameo appearance for the U21s the other night, Spurs might be thinking that he could replace Townsend in the team.

Yes he looks good

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 19, 2015, 04:48:05 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on June 19, 2015, 03:52:41 PM

I don't think we need to worry about signing Townsend anyway, we'll have Tonev back this season won't we?

phew 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on June 19, 2015, 05:27:44 PM

There are some reports that Ludogorets are interested in taking Tonev from us. Imagine if we actually got some money for him! 'Scenes', as all the kids seem to be saying at the moment.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: manic-road on June 19, 2015, 05:55:22 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 19, 2015, 05:27:44 PM

There are some reports that Ludogorets are interested in taking Tonev from us. Imagine if we actually got some money for him! 'Scenes', as all the kids seem to be saying at the moment.

Oh no I hope they don't make an offer that's just too good to turn down after displaying his superb shooting accuracy at Villa and Celtic.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 19, 2015, 07:08:43 PM

Let's just hope Ludogorets don't have any black players.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt C on June 19, 2015, 07:36:07 PM

Tonev, Luna, Sylla... Form an orderly queue, prospective buyers.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eamonn on June 19, 2015, 07:58:37 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 19, 2015, 05:27:44 PM

There are some reports that Ludogorets are interested in taking Tonev from us. Imagine if we actually got some money for him! 'Scenes', as all the kids seem to be saying at the moment.

For ref, what does ''scenes'' mean? Is it like ''sick''?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on June 19, 2015, 08:07:16 PM

Quote from: Matt C on June 19, 2015, 07:36:07 PM

Tonev, Luna, Sylla... Form an orderly queue, prospective buyers.

Ironically I think we'll shift them long before we mug someone off with Insomnia.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 19, 2015, 08:24:45 PM

What is the point of the summer transfer window start date? Just open it when that seasons games have finished

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: CT Villan on June 19, 2015, 08:30:32 PM

Quote from: VILLA MOLE on June 19, 2015, 04:48:05 PM

phew 

...is the sound of Tonev's shot passing by your head at the corner flag.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on June 19, 2015, 08:39:02 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 19, 2015, 11:07:56 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on June 19, 2015, 10:35:27 AM

Good point about Phillips too. Townsend would cost about double so I know where I'd be looking

You'd take a guy who can't get a look in for Scotland ahead of a regular England international? I support Scotland, but that still seems skewed logic.

The likes of Jordan Rhodes and Ross McCormack cant get a look in with Scotland either, McArthur could only get on as a late sub against Ireland. Strachan is getting good results but there are quite a few good players not in your side at the moment (Fletcher, Adam too).

Wouldnt use it against Matt Phillips

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on June 19, 2015, 08:43:50 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 19, 2015, 12:04:24 AM

I also have to say, Townsend as well as Richards would suggest we're looking at cornering that "loads of energy but a bit brainless with the ball, loads of passion English player" area of the market.

Which suggests not having learned the lessons of years gone by.

agree 100%, include Huddestone in that too (minus the energy) and Sinclair (minus the passion)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passport1 on June 19, 2015, 09:00:58 PM

I am trying to work up some sense of excitement about the rumoured signings.


No sorry its not happening........

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 19, 2015, 09:01:59 PM

I also have to say, Townsend as well as Richards would suggest we're looking at cornering that "loads of energy but a bit brainless with the ball, loads of passion English player" area of the market.

Which suggests not having learned the lessons of years gone by.
Bloody hell pauliewaulnuts , I thought I was a miserable fecker but you have cornered the market here son

 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 19, 2015, 11:09:19 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 19, 2015, 09:01:59 PM

I also have to say, Townsend as well as Richards would suggest we're looking at cornering that "loads of energy but a bit brainless with the ball, loads of passion English player" area of the market.

Which suggests not having learned the lessons of years gone by.
Bloody hell pauliewaulnuts , I thought I was a miserable fecker but you have cornered the market here son

 

Coming from you, that's high praise indeed.

Richards has bags of energy, but I don't think I've ever heard him described as good on the ball. Or seen much evidence of it. In fact, if you look at the blue moon thread someone posted here the other day, you'll see even the Man City fans who love him describing him that way.

As for Townsend, it's at least comforting that, given that we'll probably never see Tonev's shots going into row Z any more, we've got an option to replace him with someone almost as wayward of shot as he was.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 19, 2015, 11:10:37 PM

Matt Phillips got 3 goals and 8 assists, Townsend 2 and 2. Phillips played more games but he was in a much worse team

I'm not saying he's a better player but as I say I reckon he'd be half the price.

It obviously depends how much money we've got and I'd rather et better than either.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 19, 2015, 11:12:21 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on June 19, 2015, 11:10:37 PM

Matt Phillips got 3 goals and 8 assists, Townsend 2 and 2. Phillips played more games but he was in a much worse team

I'm not saying he's a better player but as I say I reckon he'd be half the price.

It obviously depends how much money we've got and I'd rather et better than either.

That's it. I wouldn't mind if Townsend as 3m or so, but he's not, people are actually thinking we'll spend 12m or more on him. That's a shocking suggestion.

Given the spending of the last five years, 12m in a massive amount of money for us to be spending on one player. I'm just surprised people are happy to be spending it that way, without looking at the opportunity cost involved - ie the other people we won't be signing with the 12m we'll drop on him.

Insane.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on June 19, 2015, 11:18:42 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on June 19, 2015, 11:10:37 PM

Matt Phillips got 3 goals and 8 assists, Townsend 2 and 2. Phillips played more games but he was in a much worse team

I'm not saying he's a better player but as I say I reckon he'd be half the price.

It obviously depends how much money we've got and I'd rather et better than either.

Phillips would be cheaper. Of the two I'm not sure who I'd take though. Phillips only really came into form in the last half of the season. So essentially you've got two players who have had half a good season at this level.
I'd possibly be more inclined to pay a little more for Townsend as Sherwood has worked with him and will probably fancy getting the best out of him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 20, 2015, 12:06:40 AM

Some wag on here the other night during the England game summed up Townsend perfectly, he cuts in and tries to shoot, a bit like N'zogbia who picks up the ball, runs forward heading for the corner flag with the sole intention of passing it back.

Stuff in back of Scott Sinclair file.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 20, 2015, 12:23:51 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 19, 2015, 11:12:21 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on June 19, 2015, 11:10:37 PM

Matt Phillips got 3 goals and 8 assists, Townsend 2 and 2. Phillips played more games but he was in a much worse team

I'm not saying he's a better player but as I say I reckon he'd be half the price.

It obviously depends how much money we've got and I'd rather et better than either.

That's it. I wouldn't mind if Townsend as 3m or so, but he's not, people are actually thinking we'll spend 12m or more on him. That's a shocking suggestion.

Given the spending of the last five years, 12m in a massive amount of money for us to be spending on one player. I'm just surprised people are happy to be spending it that way, without looking at the opportunity cost involved - ie the other people we won't be signing with the 12m we'll drop on him.

Insane.

I don't think he will come anyway, so it may end up just being conjecture, but I think he would be worth a punt at 5-8 million sort of range in today's mad money market. 12m plus though can get us a keeper, centre half and most likely a left back.

If we want a winger I would sooner see us take a punt on the lad at Blues, or the kid at Reading who had a good game in the cup semi and always seems willing to commit the defender. Forgotten his name, but looks a talent and young enough to kick on. Or indeed, give the lad from Spain a go, the one who can beat a man, cross a ball and hit them in from 30 yards and is rotting in our latest incarnation of a bomb squad.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on June 20, 2015, 01:15:55 AM

But that's just the point Ozz- I don't want to see us 'take a punt' on anyone at the moment, until we're back established as a mdtable squad. I want proven quality, even if it means paying a bit more for it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villalion on June 20, 2015, 01:36:42 AM

Quote from: RussellC on June 20, 2015, 01:15:55 AM

But that's just the point Ozz- I don't want to see us 'take a punt' on anyone at the moment, until we're back established as a mdtable squad. I want proven quality, even if it means paying a bit more for it.

Agreed

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 20, 2015, 07:21:55 AM

Quote from: Dave on June 19, 2015, 12:21:02 PM

Quote from: KRS on June 19, 2015, 11:39:45 AM

You cannot compare Townsend to Weimann...they are worlds apart in their general ability.

People keep saying this, but what is there that backs this up?

If he were scoring lots of goals or creating lots of goals for his teammates then great, it would be good to bring him in.

But he doesn't. He seems to be a winger who doesn't score or create anything. We've got one of them already.

Bloody hell. I don't want us to spend £12m on Townsend. But he's definitely in a different league to weimann.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 20, 2015, 07:23:46 AM

The term beggars can't be choosers really does apply. We're the busker out the back of Rackhams at the moment, the poorest side, beyond the promoted clubs. We've had the quality tap turned off for the past four years.

I think Townsend is a decent player and I think he would improve us. If we have the budget to bring him in and continue to bring in players to improve us else, then I'm not overly concerned at the price.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 20, 2015, 07:50:43 AM

Quote from: RussellC on June 20, 2015, 01:15:55 AM

But that's just the point Ozz- I don't want to see us 'take a punt' on anyone at the moment, until we're back established as a mdtable squad. I want proven quality, even if it means paying a bit more for it.

Well precisely.

But as Townsend doesn't actually score goals or make goals,  he's a million miles away from 'proven quality'.

Where has he proven this, anymore than N'zogbia has?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 20, 2015, 08:30:59 AM

Erm did I imagine the quality goal Townsend scored for England the other day then  ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on June 20, 2015, 09:29:11 AM

He's 1/4 to join us
I know all the stuf about people putting a tenner on and effecting the odds, but this is so short there must be something in it

Remember that year Richard Dunne was odds on to join us for the whole window and he wasn't even linked to us in any way, no one was talking about it , then bang and before the season started he's was here

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard E on June 20, 2015, 09:32:58 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 20, 2015, 08:30:59 AM

Erm did I imagine the quality goal Townsend scored for England the other day then  ;)

I think you must have done, he didn't score for England the other day.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Risso on June 20, 2015, 09:45:25 AM

I think I'd rather have Marc Albrighton back than spend anything more than £2m on Townsend, who as well as having nothing other than a step-over and shot in his locker, also has a ridiculously high opinion of himself.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard E on June 20, 2015, 09:57:08 AM

Quote from: Risso on June 20, 2015, 09:45:25 AM

I think I'd rather have Marc Albrighton back than spend anything more than £2m on Townsend, who as well as having nothing other than a step-over and shot in his locker, also has a ridiculously high opinion of himself.

And what sort of Christian name is 'Andros' , while we're about it?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 20, 2015, 10:02:46 AM

A "Christian name"? Are you in your seventies?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard E on June 20, 2015, 10:03:46 AM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 20, 2015, 10:02:46 AM

A "Christian name"? Are you in your seventies?

Only mentally.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 20, 2015, 10:04:28 AM

Quote from: Richard E on June 20, 2015, 09:32:58 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 20, 2015, 08:30:59 AM

Erm did I imagine the quality goal Townsend scored for England the other day then  ;)

I think you must have done, he didn't score for England the other day.

So it wasn't him who scored a scorcher vs Italy recently

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 20, 2015, 10:04:43 AM

The truthful and ever so reliable rag that is the Daily Star informs us that big Tom is set to snub Villa in favour of staying at the KFC stadium. Well, according to newsnow.  Swansea also in for Townsend too apparently.  All gone a bit quiet again hasn't it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard E on June 20, 2015, 10:06:08 AM

That was in March,hardly 'the other day.'

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 20, 2015, 10:09:47 AM

Quote from: john e on June 20, 2015, 09:29:11 AM

He's 1/4 to join us
I know all the stuf about people putting a tenner on and effecting the odds, but this is so short there must be something in it

Remember that year Richard Dunne was odds on to join us for the whole window and he wasn't even linked to us in any way, no one was talking about it , then bang and before the season started he's was here

Those odds could be affected by dross himself as he loves betting gambles and in fact has had to deal with gambling problems in the past. Interestingly .

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2337220/Andros-Townsend-reveals-details-gambling-shame.html

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SamTheMouse on June 20, 2015, 10:10:15 AM

Revolutionary concept alert: instead of wasting money on Townsend, we could try using the more technically gifted Spaniard we've had sitting on his arse for the last three months.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard E on June 20, 2015, 10:13:36 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 20, 2015, 10:09:47 AM

Quote from: john e on June 20, 2015, 09:29:11 AM

He's 1/4 to join us
I know all the stuf about people putting a tenner on and effecting the odds, but this is so short there must be something in it

Remember that year Richard Dunne was odds on to join us for the whole window and he wasn't even linked to us in any way, no one was talking about it , then bang and before the season started he's was here

Those odds could be affected by dross himself as he loves betting gambles and in fact has had to deal with gambling problems in the past. Interestingly .

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2337220/Andros-Townsend-reveals-details-gambling-shame.html

If he's betting on himself to join us when he isn't coming here then he must be the most stupid gambler of all time. So you're probably right...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 20, 2015, 10:14:33 AM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 20, 2015, 10:10:15 AM

Revolutionary concept alert: instead of wasting money on Townsend, we could try using the more technically gifted Spaniard we've had sitting on his arse for the last three months.

My thoughts exactly !!! But that's why I'm sceptical on Sherwood being progressive ma ager. Someone who wont work with a very skil ful non english player must be jealous or something. I guess Sherwood hasn't got where with all as Gill is outstanding and we wont sign someone better than him . Gill better off at Southampton, swansea, Everton, spurs or arsenal where his talents would be appreciated

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 20, 2015, 10:28:58 AM

There's more chance of Athersmith featuring in twenty games next year than there is of Gil playing regularly under Sherwood. It's a shame, I think he's great.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on June 20, 2015, 10:51:33 AM

Gil not playing is becoming the new Barry penalty, was NRC any good, we should bring back Milner etc.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Risso on June 20, 2015, 10:55:51 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 20, 2015, 10:14:33 AM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 20, 2015, 10:10:15 AM

Revolutionary concept alert: instead of wasting money on Townsend, we could try using the more technically gifted Spaniard we've had sitting on his arse for the last three months.

My thoughts exactly !!! But that's why I'm sceptical on Sherwood being progressive ma ager. Someone who wont work with a very skil ful non english player must be jealous or something. I guess Sherwood hasn't got where with all as Gill is outstanding and we wont sign someone better than him . Gill better off at Southampton, swansea, Everton, spurs or arsenal where his talents would be appreciated

Well let's see if any of those clubs come in for him.  I suspect they won't.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 20, 2015, 11:06:14 AM

Quote from: Risso on June 20, 2015, 10:55:51 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 20, 2015, 10:14:33 AM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 20, 2015, 10:10:15 AM

Revolutionary concept alert: instead of wasting money on Townsend, we could try using the more technically gifted Spaniard we've had sitting on his arse for the last three months.

My thoughts exactly !!! But that's why I'm sceptical on Sherwood being progressive ma ager. Someone who wont work with a very skil ful non english player must be jealous or something. I guess Sherwood hasn't got where with all as Gill is outstanding and we wont sign someone better than him . Gill better off at Southampton, swansea, Everton, spurs or arsenal where his talents would be appreciated

Well let's see if any of those clubs come in for him.  I suspect they won't.

If he played regularly at villa THEY ALL would and some more!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on June 20, 2015, 11:26:37 AM

Is Gil going to be the next in line of Villa players that are better players when they are not in the team than when they are playing.

He showed a lot of promise in the early games he did play and looks talented but was he the right player in a relegation fight.  The key to getting him to the point of being a valuable first team player is developing a system where he best fits in.  Sherwood did it with Grealish as he had players on the left that could make it work but to have expected him to develop another system on the right in the limited time he had to get us out of the mess was, I believe, unreasonable.  Taking the risk of just throwing him in was too much.  Up until the last 3 games, it looked as everything was working out well, considering N'Zogbia's inconsistency (an improvement on consistently crap!).  When Sherwood came in he said we had too many 'icing on the cake' players and clearly Gil was seen as one of these.

Let's see if Sherwood tries to use him in pre-season.  I think he could play the Grealish role on the right but you certainly couldn't play both at the same time.  Also, I think a lot depends on who plays right back and who we get to replace Cleverley.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Gareth on June 20, 2015, 11:34:40 AM

Gil is getting better by the day....

Townsend is ok, much like Lennon before him & the likes of Sterling they are hit and miss, personally I think comfortably the best and most consistent English winger last season was Ashley.

The important shopping for me is to a) get a defence and b) someone who is worthy of a place in the team but can take a good set piece!

Preseason is huge, hopefully they will be worked hard as the fitness doubts have been there since the Gutless Quitters days....

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on June 20, 2015, 11:45:24 AM

Quote from: old man villa fan on June 20, 2015, 11:26:37 AM

Is Gil going to be the next in line of Villa players that are better players when they are not in the team than when they are playing.

Gil was arguably our best player when Lambert was here. We can only go on what we've seen and I don't think anyone would say he doesn't look like a really good player.

Quote

He showed a lot of promise in the early games he did play and looks talented but was he the right player in a relegation fight.

Elche thought he was the right player for a relegation battle.

Quote

Taking the risk of just throwing him in was too much.

Had no problem throwing the less experienced Grealish in. 

Quote

I think he could play the Grealish role on the right but you certainly couldn't play both at the same time.

I think you could. Maybe not every game.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 20, 2015, 11:58:14 AM

Quote from: Newby on June 20, 2015, 10:04:43 AM

The truthful and ever so reliable rag that is the Daily Star informs us that big Tom is set to snub Villa in favour of staying at the KFC stadium. Well, according to newsnow.  Swansea also in for Townsend too apparently.  All gone a bit quiet again hasn't it.

All gone quiet? You mean we haven't signed a player since Wednesday?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 20, 2015, 12:16:53 PM

Well done Clampy! You worked it out. We have got rid of a couple though, so I suppose it works both ways, ins and outs!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 20, 2015, 03:33:37 PM

Social media linking us with Sammy Ameobi  :o

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 20, 2015, 03:38:33 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 20, 2015, 03:33:37 PM

Social media linking us with Sammy Ameobi  :o

He's on a free?? Then defo get him . Sherwood can give him the boost and improve his confidence and attitude playing wise.  These types are right up Sherwood street the ones who
Can be developed and reminded how good they are.


http://www.themag.co.uk/2015/02/carver-sammy-ameobi-sholas-attitude-nufc-player/

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 20, 2015, 03:46:01 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 20, 2015, 03:38:33 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 20, 2015, 03:33:37 PM

Social media linking us with Sammy Ameobi  :o

He's on a free?? Then defo get him . Sherwood can give him the boost and improve his confidence and attitude playing wise.  These types are right up Sherwood street the ones who
Can be developed and reminded how good they are.


http://www.themag.co.uk/2015/02/carver-sammy-ameobi-sholas-attitude-nufc-player/

When was Sammy Ameobi any good?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 20, 2015, 03:47:46 PM

Sammy Ameobi no fucking way.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on June 20, 2015, 03:48:47 PM

The two Ameobi's sewn together wouldn't be as effective as a single Amoeba!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on June 20, 2015, 03:49:48 PM

Whenever I think of Sammy Ameobi, I think about this:

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on June 20, 2015, 04:10:58 PM

And now for something completely different ( from the Metro so clearly it´s serious! )...Godzvilla!

Aston Villa are lining up the transfer of Ternana striker Felipe Avenatti.
The Villans have reportedly expressed their interest to the Serie B club, according to Tuttomercatoweb.
Avenatti, 22, reached the finals of the Under-20’s world cup in 2013 with Uruguay.
He’s fired in 13 goals for the mid table Serie B side and is a towering presence up front.
Villa are preparing for life after Christian Benteke and believe the 6’4” powerhouse could be the ideal replacement.

Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2015/06/20/aston-villa-line-up-transfer-of-ternana-striker-felipe-avenatti-5255454/#ixzz3dcC17G2m

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on June 20, 2015, 04:29:07 PM

Well, Avenatti rhyming with Lip Up Fatty would bring a party atmosphere to the Holte End.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 20, 2015, 04:29:10 PM

Apologies if this has been mentioned before, cor be arsed double checking.

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A Turin newspaper TotoSport has linked Aston Vila to the signing of Juventus defender Angelo Ogbonna.

The 27-year-old is said to fancy a move to the Premier League in order to progress his career.

Ogbonna signed for Juventus from Torino two years ago and despite playing 41 Seria A games, he has largely failed to make an impact because of injuries.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on June 20, 2015, 04:30:08 PM

Errrr...well he's a bit of a big unit compared to the typical tall striker but clearly not the finished article and needs to work on his technique:

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: itbrvilla on June 20, 2015, 04:43:21 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 20, 2015, 04:29:10 PM

Apologies if this has been mentioned before, cor be arsed double checking.

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A Turin newspaper TotoSport has linked Aston Vila to the signing of Juventus defender Angelo Ogbonna.

The 27-year-old is said to fancy a move to the Premier League in order to progress his career.

Ogbonna signed for Juventus from Torino two years ago and despite playing 41 Seria A games, he has largely failed to make an impact because of injuries.

Just what we need to replace Vlaar, an injury prone defender.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 20, 2015, 04:52:16 PM

Social media is linking us with Shaun Wright Phillips.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on June 20, 2015, 04:53:14 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 20, 2015, 04:52:16 PM

Social media is linking us with Shaun Wright Phillips.

Small Heath Forums?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 20, 2015, 05:06:48 PM

Sammy Ameobi.

ha ha ha.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 20, 2015, 05:37:52 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 20, 2015, 05:06:48 PM

Sammy Ameobi.

ha ha ha.

I'm not even going to look at the previous page. I know.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 20, 2015, 05:45:11 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 20, 2015, 04:52:16 PM

Social media is linking us with Shaun Wright Phillips.

Matt Phillips yes. Swp no . I think he could do well mls though!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on June 20, 2015, 05:46:46 PM

Definitely Matt Phillips if available.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 20, 2015, 05:56:37 PM

Sod Ameobi, we should put in a sneaky bid for Benzema.

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According to Spanish newspaper AS, bosses at the Bernabeu are working on a bid for Manchester City's Aguero, who was top scorer in the Premier League last season.

City are determined to hold on to their man but Real believe they can prise the Argentine away from the Etihad with a huge offer, the newspaper claim.

It is reported that the club will partly fund a deal for Aguero through the sale of France international Benzema, with Arsenal favourites to land the star.

Benzema, 27, joined Real in 2009 and scored 22 goals for the club last season.

However, new manager Rafael Benitez is reported to have been given free licence to chase new 'Galacticos' and Aguero - along with Manchester United goalkeeper David De Gea - is on his wish list.

Aguero recently said of his future: "The truth is yes, I'm very happy.

"I'm enjoying these four years that I've had at City and there are still many more years to come. I'm very happy."

He has a contract at City until 2019, having joined the club for £38million from Atletico Madrid in 2011.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on June 20, 2015, 06:01:52 PM

Quote from: TheMalandro on June 20, 2015, 05:37:52 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 20, 2015, 05:06:48 PM

Sammy Ameobi.

ha ha ha.

I'm not even going to look at the previous page. I know.

Mate of mine has been a season ticket holder at Newcastle for years, he told me his joy at Shola Ameobi being released by them was short lived when he realised there was still the prospect of watching his younger and equally rubbish brother being useless in his place.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on June 20, 2015, 06:29:15 PM

I never thought the Premier League would witness a shitter player than Shola Ameobi, until Sammy came along. If we signed him we might as well board up Villa park and walk off into the sunset shaking our heads sorrowfully.
The same would go for signing Shaun Wright-Phillips. 10 years ago he was okay with a few decent months of form. Now he's well past it. A player who had pace but nothing else, and I'm not sure at his age he'll still have the same pace he once did. He must be 33-34 by now.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: AVH87 on June 20, 2015, 06:36:12 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 20, 2015, 05:46:46 PM

Definitely Matt Phillips if available.

Rumours of Baggies being in for him, he's a player I rate too and probably wouldn't break the bank.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on June 20, 2015, 07:32:40 PM

Quote from: KRS on June 20, 2015, 04:30:08 PM

Errrr...well he's a bit of a big unit compared to the typical tall striker but clearly not the finished article and needs to work on his technique:

He's a cross between Ian Marshall and Jan Molby. Might take a few seasons to get used to the pace of the Premier League!!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 20, 2015, 08:07:46 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on June 20, 2015, 07:32:40 PM

Quote from: KRS on June 20, 2015, 04:30:08 PM

Errrr...well he's a bit of a big unit compared to the typical tall striker but clearly not the finished article and needs to work on his technique:

He's a cross between Ian Marshall and Jan Molby. Might take a few seasons to get used to the pace of the Premier League!!

Some said that about Pelle .. As in getting use to prem not that's he's like Marshall though both have super hair cuts.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Concrete John on June 20, 2015, 08:33:06 PM

Is anyone else worried that that video showed as many misses as goals?

No objection to him as an understudy to Benteke, but too big a gamble if he were to be a replacement.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 20, 2015, 09:02:04 PM

Some good news -

Liverpool have turned their attentions to Juventus striker Fernando Llorente after being scared off by the £32.5million asking price for Aston Villa's Christian Benteke.
Llorente and Carlos Bacca of Europa League winners Sevilla are now being carefully explored as better options than Benteke whose buy-out clause at Villa is considered as too expensive by the Anfield hierarchy.
Llorente, 30, is surplus to requirements at Champions League finalists Juventus following their agreement to sign Mario Mandzukic from Atletico Madrid to partner Alvaro 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 20, 2015, 09:03:46 PM

Quote from: itbrvilla on June 20, 2015, 04:43:21 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 20, 2015, 04:29:10 PM

Apologies if this has been mentioned before, cor be arsed double checking.

Quote

A Turin newspaper TotoSport has linked Aston Vila to the signing of Juventus defender Angelo Ogbonna.

The 27-year-old is said to fancy a move to the Premier League in order to progress his career.

Ogbonna signed for Juventus from Torino two years ago and despite playing 41 Seria A games, he has largely failed to make an impact because of injuries.

Just what we need to replace Vlaar, an injury prone defender.

Not to mentioning having to train at Bodymoor aka "The butchers shop"

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: richl on June 20, 2015, 09:24:13 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 20, 2015, 03:38:33 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 20, 2015, 03:33:37 PM

Social media linking us with Sammy Ameobi  :o

He's on a free?? Then defo get him . Sherwood can give him the boost and improve his confidence and attitude playing wise.  These types are right up Sherwood street the ones who
Can be developed and reminded how good they are.


http://www.themag.co.uk/2015/02/carver-sammy-ameobi-sholas-attitude-nufc-player/

Sorry but fuck off

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on June 20, 2015, 09:32:33 PM

Quote from: richl on June 20, 2015, 09:24:13 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 20, 2015, 03:38:33 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 20, 2015, 03:33:37 PM

Social media linking us with Sammy Ameobi  :o

He's on a free?? Then defo get him . Sherwood can give him the boost and improve his confidence and attitude playing wise.  These types are right up Sherwood street the ones who
Can be developed and reminded how good they are.


http://www.themag.co.uk/2015/02/carver-sammy-ameobi-sholas-attitude-nufc-player/

Sorry but fuck off

Ordinarily I'd say that's a harsh response, but I don't think there's any other response to Sammy Ameobi.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 20, 2015, 09:35:09 PM

Sherwood one for developing players im sure I would be met with same abusive response if I said this about cleverly or wellbeck for example. Just happens Sam am us example in that Sherwood favors to develop British based players and cud,that's   cud, develop Sam am. That's all

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 20, 2015, 09:37:03 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 20, 2015, 03:38:33 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 20, 2015, 03:33:37 PM

Social media linking us with Sammy Ameobi  :o

He's on a free?? Then defo get him . Sherwood can give him the boost and improve his confidence and attitude playing wise.  These types are right up Sherwood street the ones who
Can be developed and reminded how good they are.


http://www.themag.co.uk/2015/02/carver-sammy-ameobi-sholas-attitude-nufc-player/

Surely a player needs to have been good in the first place to be reminded that they were once good.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 20, 2015, 09:50:37 PM

No need rich please.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 20, 2015, 09:54:53 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 20, 2015, 09:35:09 PM

Just happens Sam am us example in that Sherwood favors to develop British based players and cud,that's   cud, develop Sam am. That's all

?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on June 20, 2015, 10:11:12 PM

I really hope footyskillz is a troll, as the alternative is tragic.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on June 20, 2015, 10:20:47 PM

Sammy makes Bambi on ice look like Lionel Messi. He's astonishingly shite. Newcastle fans won't be crying into their brown ale over his departure.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 20, 2015, 10:25:56 PM

Isn't Sammy also a nut case on twitter? That would be entertaining for a few weeks I suppose.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ronshirt on June 20, 2015, 10:41:08 PM

Quote from: Tokyo Sexwhale on June 20, 2015, 10:11:12 PM

I really hope footyskillz is a troll, as the alternative is tragic.

I like him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 20, 2015, 11:00:08 PM

Quote from: Tokyo Sexwhale on June 20, 2015, 10:11:12 PM

I really hope footyskillz is a troll, as the alternative is tragic.

I really hope you're name handle is irony than for adulation thats far more tragic. Coz  I wouldnt take your posts  seriously either fella.

Anyway villa linked with nzonzi in press after I linked him to be in starting 11 for villa seems interesting. http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-west-ham-west-5919209

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on June 20, 2015, 11:06:03 PM

Spooky. 

Fleet Street ripping you off VK?  Or is your player analysis  being picked up by the powers that be to such an extent that they're basing transfer policy on it? 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 20, 2015, 11:14:21 PM

I think I'd rather Nzonzi than Huddlestone. More mobile and certainly a type of player we currently lack.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 20, 2015, 11:16:31 PM

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 20, 2015, 11:22:46 PM

Not sure if it has been mentioned already, but one paper reported today that Lowton is on the verge of joining Burnley for £1m. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eamonn on June 20, 2015, 11:24:48 PM

Sam Am is the new Sam Cam. The PM feels bad about mixing us up with West Ham so has promised us his wife up front if Sammy isn't fit for purpose.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 20, 2015, 11:42:15 PM

Quote from: Newby on June 20, 2015, 11:14:21 PM

I think I'd rather Nzonzi than Huddlestone. 

Me too.

And I'd rather shit my liver out through my shitty arse than sign Sammy Ameobi.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on June 20, 2015, 11:56:52 PM

If Shamey Ameobi is the answer the only question can be 'name a worse footballer than Dozy Altidore.'

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on June 20, 2015, 11:58:52 PM

Was it VillaKicks or footyskills that used to fist themselves over jozy altidore?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 21, 2015, 12:08:19 AM

Can we lay off the stick to footyskillz please. It's not on and is starting to verge on bullying.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: richl on June 21, 2015, 12:28:18 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 21, 2015, 12:08:19 AM

Can we lay off the stick to footyskillz please. It's not on and is starting to verge on bullying.

No it's not. It's telling someone they may not talk sense

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 21, 2015, 12:30:17 AM

Quote from: richl on June 21, 2015, 12:28:18 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 21, 2015, 12:08:19 AM

Can we lay off the stick to footyskillz please. It's not on and is starting to verge on bullying.

No it's not. It's telling someone they may not talk sense

Telling someone to fuck off is not acceptable. Just because you disagree with what he says does not mean you, or anyone else, can be abusive to him, and it won't be tolerated.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ger Regan on June 21, 2015, 12:38:33 AM

Bang on. If people can't keep it civil, then they won't be posting here for very long.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: richl on June 21, 2015, 12:39:00 AM

I apologise for telling footyskillz to fuck off. I wish some people wouldn't post though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 21, 2015, 12:40:50 AM

If you disagree, then debate by all means but please keep it civil. And thank you for the apology, appreciated.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 21, 2015, 12:44:10 AM

Quote from: Tokyo Sexwhale on June 20, 2015, 10:11:12 PM

I really hope footyskillz is a troll, as the alternative is tragic.

Just skip it man.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 21, 2015, 12:49:01 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 20, 2015, 11:42:15 PM

Quote from: Newby on June 20, 2015, 11:14:21 PM

I think I'd rather Nzonzi than Huddlestone. 

Me too.

And I'd rather shit my liver out through my shitty arse than sign Sammy Ameobi.

Extreme, but totally understandable given it's Sammy Ameobi.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: richl on June 21, 2015, 12:52:18 AM

Quote from: Newby on June 21, 2015, 12:49:01 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 20, 2015, 11:42:15 PM

Quote from: Newby on June 20, 2015, 11:14:21 PM

I think I'd rather Nzonzi than Huddlestone. 

Me too.

And I'd rather shit my liver out through my shitty arse than sign Sammy Ameobi.

And not wipe

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 21, 2015, 01:32:37 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 21, 2015, 12:44:10 AM

Quote from: Tokyo Sexwhale on June 20, 2015, 10:11:12 PM

I really hope footyskillz is a troll, as the alternative is tragic.

Just skip it man.

Is the best thing to do. We all have posters who we like to read their view and some we just skip with a yawn. It's much easier to skip than get bothered by it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 21, 2015, 02:01:02 AM

To bring some laughter to the thread. I remember some Newcastle fan saying he wanted Sammy to get into the new years honours list a couple of times. Just so he could be called "Sammy Ameobi MBE, OBE" .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: robbo1874 on June 21, 2015, 03:54:13 AM

Quote from: Ads on June 20, 2015, 07:23:46 AM

The term beggars can't be choosers really does apply. We're the busker out the back of Rackhams at the moment, the poorest side, beyond the promoted clubs. We've had the quality tap turned off for the past four years.

I think Townsend is a decent player and I think he would improve us. If we have the budget to bring him in and continue to bring in players to improve us else, then I'm not overly concerned at the price.

maybe I've rememberee this wrong, but didn't townsend have a good season the season before last and then pretty average last season? If Sherwood thinks he can get him playing well again, then it might be a decent signing. Not for 12 mil though, nearer 6mil would be more realistic.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 21, 2015, 06:15:16 AM

He didn't get picked a great deal last season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 21, 2015, 07:46:36 AM

Quote from: robbo1874 on June 21, 2015, 03:54:13 AM

Quote from: Ads on June 20, 2015, 07:23:46 AM

The term beggars can't be choosers really does apply. We're the busker out the back of Rackhams at the moment, the poorest side, beyond the promoted clubs. We've had the quality tap turned off for the past four years.

I think Townsend is a decent player and I think he would improve us. If we have the budget to bring him in and continue to bring in players to improve us else, then I'm not overly concerned at the price.

maybe I've rememberee this wrong, but didn't townsend have a good season the season before last and then pretty average last season?

That season he scored twice in 33 matches for Spurs. One of those two was the mis-hit cross against us.

In context, that's the same number of goals that Karim El-Ahmadi scored for us that season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Gerrin on June 21, 2015, 08:27:27 AM

Some of the Sundays are reporting we're going to bid for Troy Denney, not sure about that one. He's got a Blues tattoo on his leg.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on June 21, 2015, 08:41:20 AM

Quote from: Dave on June 21, 2015, 07:46:36 AM

Quote from: robbo1874 on June 21, 2015, 03:54:13 AM

Quote from: Ads on June 20, 2015, 07:23:46 AM

The term beggars can't be choosers really does apply. We're the busker out the back of Rackhams at the moment, the poorest side, beyond the promoted clubs. We've had the quality tap turned off for the past four years.

I think Townsend is a decent player and I think he would improve us. If we have the budget to bring him in and continue to bring in players to improve us else, then I'm not overly concerned at the price.

maybe I've rememberee this wrong, but didn't townsend have a good season the season before last and then pretty average last season?

That season he scored twice in 33 matches for Spurs. One of those two was the mis-hit cross against us.

In context, that's the same number of goals that Karim El-Ahmadi scored for us that season.

You have constantly made a good case against him coming with hard facts and stats which cannot be argued with
maybe you are right and if he comes he will be another expensive let down, let's face it we have had a few of them

But in my view, if he does sign I think he will improve us far more than all the players you have compared him with, I'm only going on what I have seen rather than the stats you have produced,
But obviously time will tell

I still don't believe we will be spending 12 mill on one player

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 21, 2015, 08:43:30 AM

Quote from: Gerrin on June 21, 2015, 08:27:27 AM

Some of the Sundays are reporting we're going to bid for Troy Denney, not sure about that one. He's got a Blues tattoo on his leg.

Amputation is the only option.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 21, 2015, 09:00:43 AM

Stats are for baseball, as England have just pointed out in the strongest possible way to Peter Moores.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 21, 2015, 09:07:55 AM

Quote from: Ads on June 21, 2015, 09:00:43 AM

Stats are for baseball, as England have just pointed out in the strongest possible way to Peter Moores.

I love these generic assertions!

Benteke's goal every other game has been a good stat for us. Townsend's four goals in two seasons is a good reason I don't want to spend £12m on a player who's game mostly involves cutting inside and shooting.

I make this point slightly flippantly, but as far as I can tell he cuts inside and drills one with his left foot at least four times per game. So that suggests something like a 2% success rate from 50 matches in two years.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 21, 2015, 09:19:50 AM

Quote from: TheMalandro on June 21, 2015, 08:43:30 AM

Quote from: Gerrin on June 21, 2015, 08:27:27 AM

Some of the Sundays are reporting we're going to bid for Troy Denney, not sure about that one. He's got a Blues tattoo on his leg.

Amputation is the only option.

He'd still be available more often than Vlaar.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Legion on June 21, 2015, 09:31:15 AM

Quote from: mattjpa on June 20, 2015, 11:58:52 PM

Was it VillaKicks or footyskills that used to fist themselves over jozy altidore?

One and the same. He is still entitled to his opinion, though, however delusional he may be.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 21, 2015, 09:45:25 AM

Generic assertion combated by generic assertion?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 21, 2015, 10:21:06 AM

I hope the talk of Vardy and Schlupp is idle tabloid nonsense.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on June 21, 2015, 10:32:42 AM

Quote from: Gerrin on June 21, 2015, 08:27:27 AM

Some of the Sundays are reporting we're going to bid for Troy Denney, not sure about that one. He's got a Blues tattoo on his leg.

All tattoo issues aside, he's not good enough for the top flight IMO.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Damo70 on June 21, 2015, 10:48:27 AM

Quote from: john e on June 21, 2015, 08:41:20 AM

Quote from: Dave on June 21, 2015, 07:46:36 AM

Quote from: robbo1874 on June 21, 2015, 03:54:13 AM

Quote from: Ads on June 20, 2015, 07:23:46 AM

The term beggars can't be choosers really does apply. We're the busker out the back of Rackhams at the moment, the poorest side, beyond the promoted clubs. We've had the quality tap turned off for the past four years.

I think Townsend is a decent player and I think he would improve us. If we have the budget to bring him in and continue to bring in players to improve us else, then I'm not overly concerned at the price.

maybe I've rememberee this wrong, but didn't townsend have a good season the season before last and then pretty average last season?

That season he scored twice in 33 matches for Spurs. One of those two was the mis-hit cross against us.

In context, that's the same number of goals that Karim El-Ahmadi scored for us that season.

You have constantly made a good case against him coming with hard facts and stats which cannot be argued with
maybe you are right and if he comes he will be another expensive let down, let's face it we have had a few of them

But in my view, if he does sign I think he will improve us far more than all the players you have compared him with, I'm only going on what I have seen rather than the stats you have produced,
But obviously time will tell

I still don't believe we will be spending 12 mill on one player

I'm not convinced we will be spending 12 million in total.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 21, 2015, 11:03:31 AM

Quote from: Ads on June 21, 2015, 09:00:43 AM

Stats are for baseball, as England have just pointed out in the strongest possible way to Peter Moores.

We're not talking about pass completion statistics or heat maps though are we? Something as straightforward as "how often does an attacker score a goal" is a pretty basic way to tell whether they are somebody that you should be spending £12m on.

Hell, if the number of goals a player scores isn't important then villakicks' Jozy Altidore suggestion isn't silly at all.

Quote from: john e on June 21, 2015, 08:41:20 AM

But in my view, if he does sign I think he will improve us far more than all the players you have compared him with, I'm only going on what I have seen rather than the stats you have produced,
But obviously time will tell

You're probably right John - if the question is "would I rather have N'Zogbia or Townsend in our side next season", then fine - Townsend it is.

If the question is "would it be sensible to make Andros Townsend the joint-second most expensive player we have signed in our history", then I'm quite happy to stick with Sinclair, Gil and Grealish behind Benteke.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ROBBO on June 21, 2015, 11:13:16 AM

Not bothered one way or another but i would point out that if he had scored ten goals in each of his last two seasons we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on June 21, 2015, 11:22:28 AM

It looks as if Huddlestone prefers to stay in the Championship with Hull than come to Villa Park.

That is tremendous news to wake up to on this grey morning!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 21, 2015, 11:26:42 AM

Just a thought but I wonder if Villa have already spoken to Huddlestone and we have offered him fairly crap personal terms and this is him telling us, surreptitiously, that he's happy to stay at Hull unless we up the money. Probably rubbish but just a thought.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Concrete Tom on June 21, 2015, 11:29:55 AM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 21, 2015, 09:19:50 AM

Quote from: TheMalandro on June 21, 2015, 08:43:30 AM

Quote from: Gerrin on June 21, 2015, 08:27:27 AM

Some of the Sundays are reporting we're going to bid for Troy Denney, not sure about that one. He's got a Blues tattoo on his leg.

Amputation is the only option.

He'd still be available more often than Vlaar.

I work in Watford and have some contacts at the club. Troy Deeney will not be going anywhere whilst Watford remain in the Prem.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 21, 2015, 11:32:00 AM

Quote from: Newby on June 21, 2015, 11:26:42 AM

Just a thought but I wonder if Villa have already spoken to Huddlestone and we have offered him fairly crap personal terms and this is him telling us, surreptitiously, that he's happy to stay at Hull unless we up the money. Probably rubbish but just a thought.

It probably is rubbish.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Gerrin on June 21, 2015, 11:35:55 AM

Quote from: Concrete Tom on June 21, 2015, 11:29:55 AM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 21, 2015, 09:19:50 AM

Quote from: TheMalandro on June 21, 2015, 08:43:30 AM

Quote from: Gerrin on June 21, 2015, 08:27:27 AM

Some of the Sundays are reporting we're going to bid for Troy Denney, not sure about that one. He's got a Blues tattoo on his leg.

Amputation is the only option.

He'd still be available more often than Vlaar.

I work in Watford and have some contacts at the club. Troy Deeney will not be going anywhere whilst Watford remain in the Prem.

Well that's a relief!!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 21, 2015, 12:19:22 PM

Quote from: Newby on June 21, 2015, 11:26:42 AM

Just a thought but I wonder if Villa have already spoken to Huddlestone and we have offered him fairly crap personal terms and this is him telling us, surreptitiously, that he's happy to stay at Hull unless we up the money. Probably rubbish but just a thought.

I just assumed he really liked rugby league and fish.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 21, 2015, 12:30:56 PM

Quote from: Gerrin on June 21, 2015, 08:27:27 AM

Some of the Sundays are reporting we're going to bid for Troy Denney, not sure about that one. He's got a Blues tattoo on his leg.

He also looks like a Championship flat track bully. I've seen nothing in him that makes me think he'd be a top half premiership player and for me those are the kind of gems we need to find in the Championship, the ones with age on their side that have the potential. Aren't Watford looking for silly money for him as well?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 21, 2015, 12:33:17 PM

Quote from: Dave on June 21, 2015, 11:03:31 AM

Quote from: Ads on June 21, 2015, 09:00:43 AM

Stats are for baseball, as England have just pointed out in the strongest possible way to Peter Moores.

We're not talking about pass completion statistics or heat maps though are we? Something as straightforward as "how often does an attacker score a goal" is a pretty basic way to tell whether they are somebody that you should be spending £12m on.

Hell, if the number of goals a player scores isn't important then villakicks' Jozy Altidore suggestion isn't silly at all.

Quote from: john e on June 21, 2015, 08:41:20 AM

But in my view, if he does sign I think he will improve us far more than all the players you have compared him with, I'm only going on what I have seen rather than the stats you have produced,
But obviously time will tell

You're probably right John - if the question is "would I rather have N'Zogbia or Townsend in our side next season", then fine - Townsend it is.

If the question is "would it be sensible to make Andros Townsend the joint-second most expensive player we have signed in our history", then I'm quite happy to stick with Sinclair, Gil and Grealish behind Benteke.

Yeah with forwards I have to admit I'm a fan of the goals scored stat. We heard for years there was more to Heskey than his stats suggested. There wasn't he was fucking crap, like they suggested.

Saying that, Townsend is shitloads better than Nzogbia and would improve us but not for £10m+.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 21, 2015, 12:34:21 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on June 21, 2015, 11:22:28 AM

It looks as if Huddlestone prefers to stay in the Championship with Hull than come to Villa Park.

That is tremendous news to wake up to on this grey morning!

It is good news, seeing as he is a fat shit who would cost way more than he is worth and on excessive terms as well. Stay at the KFC Tom and eat yourself silly.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ashkar on June 21, 2015, 01:02:17 PM

6 million asking price for N'Zonzi. Good player. Will beef up the midfield.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Risso on June 21, 2015, 01:04:15 PM

I like N'Zonzi and thought he was unfairly maligned when Stoke bought him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: placeforparks on June 21, 2015, 01:23:37 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on June 20, 2015, 10:25:56 PM

Isn't Sammy also a nut case on twitter? That would be entertaining for a few weeks I suppose.

that's nile ranger...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 21, 2015, 01:24:34 PM

Quote from: ashkar on June 21, 2015, 01:02:17 PM

6 million asking price for N'Zonzi. Good player. Will beef up the midfield.

He's only got a year left on his contact I think so he'd probably be cheaper than that.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 21, 2015, 02:29:17 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 21, 2015, 01:24:34 PM

Quote from: ashkar on June 21, 2015, 01:02:17 PM

6 million asking price for N'Zonzi. Good player. Will beef up the midfield.

He's only got a year left on his contact I think so he'd probably be cheaper than that.

Well sevilla bid £3mil and that was considered derisory. So looking at it £4-4.5 mil be good with a player thrown in lets make it nzog for nzon . otherwise £5 mil tops

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 21, 2015, 02:36:17 PM

I'd offer them westwood plus say £2.5m

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on June 21, 2015, 02:41:54 PM

We need players who can score goals as we only play with 2 wingers supporting Benteke. So what we want is next Ian Taylor and Tony Morley :)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 21, 2015, 02:43:16 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 21, 2015, 02:36:17 PM

I'd offer them westwood plus say £2.5m

For me I offer one of
Cissoko
Nzogbia
Senderos
Richardson
Cole
Hutton

In that order and a little cash.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 21, 2015, 02:57:30 PM

Hutton would seem a good fit with Stoke.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 21, 2015, 03:02:53 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 21, 2015, 02:43:16 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 21, 2015, 02:36:17 PM

I'd offer them westwood plus say £2.5m

For me I offer one of
Cissoko
Nzogbia
Senderos
Richardson
Cole
Hutton

In that order and a little cash.

I'd be happy with all of them leaving with the possible exception of Cafu

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on June 21, 2015, 03:06:04 PM

Why are we presuming that a team that is now finishing regularly above us in the league, with an arguably better squad and decent manager would accept our crap cast offs as part of any deal? Surely they'd be looking to replace him with someone better, so I think they'd laugh off any suggestion of a peanuts cash + crap player deal.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave Cooper please on June 21, 2015, 03:40:31 PM

Apropos of nothing:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjGH9ulCQAE9eSH.png)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 21, 2015, 03:47:18 PM

Quote from: KRS on June 21, 2015, 03:06:04 PM

Why are we presuming that a team that is now finishing regularly above us in the league, with an arguably better squad and decent manager would accept our crap cast offs as part of any deal? Surely they'd be looking to replace him with someone better, so I think they'd laugh off any suggestion of a peanuts cash + crap player deal.

Fair point. I feel Hughes would like nzogbia, Hutton,  cissoko maybe even Senderos  I was wishful thinking of others.
Nzonzi entering final year of contract £4.5 max £5mil . £6mil is pushing things

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on June 21, 2015, 04:29:16 PM

Quote from: Dave Winpercentage on June 21, 2015, 03:40:31 PM

Apropos of nothing:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjGH9ulCQAE9eSH.png)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAh__3JWcAAdh0g.jpg:small)

The Shola eclipse.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on June 21, 2015, 04:57:02 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 21, 2015, 03:47:18 PM

Quote from: KRS on June 21, 2015, 03:06:04 PM

Why are we presuming that a team that is now finishing regularly above us in the league, with an arguably better squad and decent manager would accept our crap cast offs as part of any deal? Surely they'd be looking to replace him with someone better, so I think they'd laugh off any suggestion of a peanuts cash + crap player deal.

Fair point. I feel Hughes would like nzogbia, Hutton,  cissoko maybe even Senderos  I was wishful thinking of others.
Nzonzi entering final year of contract £4.5 max £5mil . £6mil is pushing things

Why would he even consider any of those players...the only one you could make half an argument for would be Hutton and he'd be the only one that we should be considering to keep.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 21, 2015, 05:05:16 PM

Quote from: KRS on June 21, 2015, 03:06:04 PM

Why are we presuming that a team that is now finishing regularly above us in the league, with an arguably better squad and decent manager would accept our crap cast offs as part of any deal? Surely they'd be looking to replace him with someone better, so I think they'd laugh off any suggestion of a peanuts cash + crap player deal.

Well quite.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 21, 2015, 05:51:05 PM

Stoke did take Ireland from us in fairness.

They're well stock for defenders though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on June 21, 2015, 06:00:33 PM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on June 21, 2015, 05:51:05 PM

Stoke did take Ireland from us in fairness.

On a free transfer.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 21, 2015, 08:18:00 PM

Quote from: KRS on June 21, 2015, 06:00:33 PM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on June 21, 2015, 05:51:05 PM

Stoke did take Ireland from us in fairness.

On a free transfer.

Well, Sidwell, Ireland and Bardsley are all important parts of their squad.

On all their Villa performances the likes of Richardson and N'zogbia don't look too different to that sort of company.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 21, 2015, 08:26:47 PM

It's a bit simplistic to think that 1 player from a side that finished 17th can't improve a side that finished 9th.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LTA on June 21, 2015, 09:42:17 PM

Plenty of clubs looking at Charlie Austin.  Surely we must be looking at him?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 21, 2015, 09:52:55 PM

Quote from: LTA on June 21, 2015, 09:42:17 PM

Plenty of clubs looking at Charlie Austin.  Surely we must be looking at him?

But... But he was in a team below 17th?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 21, 2015, 10:02:56 PM

I actually think Charlie Adam is the type of player we need. A goal scoring midfielder with a decent engine.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on June 21, 2015, 10:07:10 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 21, 2015, 10:02:56 PM

I actually think Charlie Adam is the type of player we need. A goal scoring midfielder with a decent engine.

Adam has qualities but I would not say a decent engine is one of them.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: johnny from donny on June 21, 2015, 10:11:53 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 21, 2015, 10:02:56 PM

I actually think Charlie Adam is the type of player we need. A goal scoring midfielder with a decent engine.

Didn't he just sign a contract extension with them?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 21, 2015, 10:14:32 PM

Quote from: johnny from donny on June 21, 2015, 10:11:53 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 21, 2015, 10:02:56 PM

I actually think Charlie Adam is the type of player we need. A goal scoring midfielder with a decent engine.

Didn't he just sign a contract extension with them?

Quite probably, I don't mean him per se, just a similar type of player who is all action with goals.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 21, 2015, 10:20:51 PM

Whatever the reason if Huddlestone wants to stay at hull that suits me

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 21, 2015, 10:57:10 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on June 21, 2015, 10:20:51 PM

Whatever the reason if Huddlestone wants to stay at hull that suits me

Me too. I am not sure what happened to him , maybe Hull has excellent pies, but seeing him waddle around the pitch last season he looked pretty awful.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 21, 2015, 11:02:59 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 21, 2015, 10:14:32 PM

Quote from: johnny from donny on June 21, 2015, 10:11:53 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 21, 2015, 10:02:56 PM

I actually think Charlie Adam is the type of player we need. A goal scoring midfielder with a decent engine.

Didn't he just sign a contract extension with them?

Quite probably, I don't mean him per se, just a similar type of player who is all action with goals.

I would describe him as the opposite of 'all action' to be honest.  However that type of player would suit us i.e. a replacement for Cleverly (and westwood or Sanchez sat in-between them).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on June 22, 2015, 12:05:48 AM

I think he's a similar player to Huddlestone, except he works harder on the whole (by that, I mean kicks around more people) and ought to be cheaper.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on June 22, 2015, 12:28:51 AM

Quote from: OCD on June 21, 2015, 08:26:47 PM

It's a bit simplistic to think that 1 player from a side that finished 17th can't improve a side that finished 9th.

Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 21, 2015, 09:52:55 PM

Quote from: LTA on June 21, 2015, 09:42:17 PM

Plenty of clubs looking at Charlie Austin.  Surely we must be looking at him?

But... But he was in a team below 17th?

Very tongue in cheek post I know...but theres a massive difference between a player like Austin who would undoubtedly improve Stoke and our crap list of cast offs. Richardson and Hutton would probably be the only ones that would get a look in at Stoke.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eamonn on June 22, 2015, 01:07:25 AM

Adam signed a new deal today. He's going nowhere. We should have got him under Houllier but Holloway took the piss.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 22, 2015, 06:24:37 AM

Quote from: Dave on June 21, 2015, 08:18:00 PM

Quote from: KRS on June 21, 2015, 06:00:33 PM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on June 21, 2015, 05:51:05 PM

Stoke did take Ireland from us in fairness.

On a free transfer.

Well, Sidwell, Ireland and Bardsley are all important parts of their squad.

On all their Villa performances the likes of Richardson and N'zogbia don't look too different to that sort of company.

Yes but they didn't give us one of their best players in exchange

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 22, 2015, 09:38:14 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 21, 2015, 11:02:59 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 21, 2015, 10:14:32 PM

Quote from: johnny from donny on June 21, 2015, 10:11:53 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 21, 2015, 10:02:56 PM

I actually think Charlie Adam is the type of player we need. A goal scoring midfielder with a decent engine.

Didn't he just sign a contract extension with them?

Quite probably, I don't mean him per se, just a similar type of player who is all action with goals.

I would describe him as the opposite of 'all action' to be honest.  However that type of player would suit us i.e. a replacement for Cleverly (and westwood or Sanchez sat in-between them).

If we are going to continue with the same formation as last season, we need a similar player to Delph to fill the hole left by Cleverley.  Was never going to happen and I know it's going over old ground, but Milner would have been ideal for that role. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 22, 2015, 09:54:36 AM

One rumour that I'd be happy with, if it had any substance, would be the Jeffrey Schlupp one. I really doubt it when they say £5million. He looked excellent last year and I can't see them selling.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on June 22, 2015, 10:56:28 AM

I know this is severely overreacting to one great game, but I'm almost content with sitting tight and hoping that either Gardner or Sanchez can establish themselves as Delph's midfield partner (with Westwood as stand-in or coming in when we play three central mids) so that we can play four attacking players in a 4-2-3-1. Priorities are then a LB, the best available right-sided centre back to partner Clark, and one or two attacking players who can play in the 3 behind Benteke.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on June 22, 2015, 11:03:49 AM

Our priority, for years, has been a strong CM, and I think it still is.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 22, 2015, 11:12:52 AM

Quote from: passitsideways on June 22, 2015, 10:56:28 AM

I know this is severely overreacting to one great game, but I'm almost content with sitting tight and hoping that either Gardner or Sanchez can establish themselves as Delph's midfield partner (with Westwood as stand-in or coming in when we play three central mids) so that we can play four attacking players in a 4-2-3-1. Priorities are then a LB, the best available right-sided centre back to partner Clark, and one or two attacking players who can play in the 3 behind Benteke.

That is another option.  If we brought in someone like N'Zonzi, I think we could play that formation.  As you say, we could easily change to a diamond in midfield with Sanchez coming in. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: exigo on June 22, 2015, 12:41:01 PM

If you need cheering up on a grey, miserable Monday, this should do it.

Chronicle: Sunderland are keeping tabs on Ron Vlaar's situation at Aston Villa. The Dutch defender is out of contract at Villa Park this summer and has yet to commit his future to the Midlands outfit. That has alerted a number of clubs, both in this country and in Europe, with Sunderland understood to be one of those monitoring Vlaar's position. The Black Cats are looking to sign two central defenders, Liverpool's Sebastian Coates set to become one of those new faces.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard E on June 22, 2015, 12:46:21 PM

The E&S says we are "keeping tabs on" N'Zonzi (whatever that means.)

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2015/06/22/villa-keep-tabs-on-stokes-steven-nzonzi/

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: David_Nab on June 22, 2015, 01:13:25 PM

http://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2015/yacouba-sylla-denies-rennes-links/

Quote

Speaking exclusively to Get French Football News, Aston Villa defensive midfielder Yacouba Sylla denied claims linking him to a move to Rennes.

“This is simply not true at all.”

He admitted that his efforts to find a club were evolving positively, but not with Rennes at all

.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: fbriai on June 22, 2015, 01:16:26 PM

Quote from: Richard E on June 22, 2015, 12:46:21 PM

The E&S says we are "keeping tabs on" N'Zonzi (whatever that means.)

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2015/06/22/villa-keep-tabs-on-stokes-steven-nzonzi/

I think it probably means that someone mentioned they liked the look of him on here over the weekend and that's now being reported in the E&S as the club keeping tabs on him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: David_Nab on June 22, 2015, 04:47:52 PM

Quote from: David_Nab on June 22, 2015, 01:13:25 PM

http://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2015/yacouba-sylla-denies-rennes-links/

Quote

Speaking exclusively to Get French Football News, Aston Villa defensive midfielder Yacouba Sylla denied claims linking him to a move to Rennes.

“This is simply not true at all.”

He admitted that his efforts to find a club were evolving positively, but not with Rennes at all

.

Well he has now joined Rennes after denying it earlier

BREAKING: Rennes announce the signing of Yacouba Sylla from Aston Villa until 2019. More to follow from the player exclusively with GFFN

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: exigo on June 22, 2015, 04:54:42 PM

Quote from: David_Nab on June 22, 2015, 04:47:52 PM

Quote from: David_Nab on June 22, 2015, 01:13:25 PM

http://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2015/yacouba-sylla-denies-rennes-links/

Quote

Speaking exclusively to Get French Football News, Aston Villa defensive midfielder Yacouba Sylla denied claims linking him to a move to Rennes.

“This is simply not true at all.”

He admitted that his efforts to find a club were evolving positively, but not with Rennes at all

.

Well he has now joined Rennes after denying it earlier

BREAKING: Rennes announce the signing of Yacouba Sylla from Aston Villa until 2019. More to follow from the player exclusively with GFFN

Surely BREAKING: Sylla, Sylla, Sylla has left Aston Villa, the Villa, the Villa, who-oh-oh-oh-ooooooh, who-oh-oh-oh-oooooh.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villasjf on June 22, 2015, 05:00:13 PM

Yes its on the Sky website

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eamonn on June 22, 2015, 05:11:11 PM

How much we get? A few swiss francs at least?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 22, 2015, 05:16:36 PM

Transfer fee undisclosed, at least he's off the books.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 22, 2015, 05:16:50 PM

Tonev and Luna next please.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on June 22, 2015, 07:02:54 PM

Well Timmy seems to find shifting the dead wood easier than Lambert did. Long may it continue.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: richard moore on June 22, 2015, 07:40:20 PM

Thank god he's gone, his predicting seems about as accurate as his passing

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 22, 2015, 07:51:31 PM

We finally seem to have learned that it is possible to get players off your books AND get a fee for them.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 22, 2015, 07:59:04 PM

Fox's influence, Sherwood's influence or both?

Either way a happy change in our way of doing business. Even if we're only getting nominal fees of £250,000 to £1M, every little helps as they say.  Added up over the transfer window, it maybe gets us a free shot at someone like Gil or Okore

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 22, 2015, 07:59:25 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 22, 2015, 07:51:31 PM

We finally seem to have learned that it is possible to get players off your books AND get a fee for them.

By not humiliating them and making them train with kids for no professional reason?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 22, 2015, 08:00:49 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on June 22, 2015, 07:59:25 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 22, 2015, 07:51:31 PM

We finally seem to have learned that it is possible to get players off your books AND get a fee for them.

By not humiliating them and making them train with kids for no professional reason?

Well, yes, I'd imagine the end of the "you looked at me funny, go and play frisbee with the 12 year olds in the far field" regime is helping, too.

Whoever thought up that genius ruse was a fecking idiot.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 22, 2015, 08:04:48 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 22, 2015, 08:00:49 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on June 22, 2015, 07:59:25 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 22, 2015, 07:51:31 PM

We finally seem to have learned that it is possible to get players off your books AND get a fee for them.

By not humiliating them and making them train with kids for no professional reason?

Well, yes, I'd imagine the end of the "you looked at me funny, go and play frisbee with the 12 year olds in the far field" regime is helping, too.

Whoever thought up that genius ruse was a fecking idiot.

God knows we appear to have had enough of them over the last few years.

The fact that Fox could come in, rip up what was in place and put a whole new structure and organisation in place that looks on paper at least to be more fit for purpose, and do it it all in under 9 months speaks volumes for what went before.  Regardless of what happens with the ownership issue, I'm almost as interested to see how Fox pans out as I am Sherwood.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 22, 2015, 08:16:50 PM

Fox has the air of a real professional about him. His grounding at a genuine big club will serve us well. He's the kind of appointment we should have made within 2 months of Randy taking over, then maybe he wouldn't be looking at a £150m loss and we wouldn't have watched 5 seasons of shit shovelling football.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: jwarry on June 22, 2015, 08:25:41 PM

Lowton gone thenhttp://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/news/article/clarets-complete-lowton-swoop-2502763.aspx?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: jwarry on June 22, 2015, 08:26:17 PM

http://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/news/article/clarets-complete-lowton-swoop-2502763.aspx?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on June 22, 2015, 08:37:04 PM

I liked Lowton more than most on here, whatever that's worth..

Good luck Matty.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 22, 2015, 08:41:42 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on June 22, 2015, 08:16:50 PM

Fox has the air of a real professional about him. His grounding at a genuine big club will serve us well. He's the kind of appointment we should have made within 2 months of Randy taking over, then maybe he wouldn't be looking at a £150m loss and we wouldn't have watched 5 seasons of shit shovelling football.

This, all the live long feckin day, this.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 22, 2015, 08:44:02 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 22, 2015, 07:51:31 PM

We finally seem to have learned that it is possible to get players off your books AND get a fee for them.

I think the key thing is that the players are/were on low wages so a helluva lot easier to shift compared to MON's left-overs.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 22, 2015, 08:53:22 PM

The problem was we had Fitzgerald and then Cunnah, who O'Neill subsequently saw off to leave him with his own fiefdom.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Londonvilla on June 22, 2015, 09:00:49 PM

Aston Villa midfielder Yacouba Sylla signs four-year deal with French side Rennes

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3134960/Aston-Villa-midfielder-Yacouba-Sylla-signs-four-year-deal-French-outfit-Rennes.html

• Yacouba Sylla has left Aston Villa in order to sign for French side Rennes
  Rennes confirmed the transfer deal on their official club website on Monday
  The midfielder leaves Aston Villa after a two-and-a-half year stay at Villa Park
  Sylla originally joined Villa from Clermont Foot for £2million in January 2013

"Aston Villa midfielder Yacouba Sylla has joined French side Rennes on a four-year contract.
Ligue 1 side Rennes confirmed the transfer on their official club website to end Sylla's two-and-a-half year stay at Villa Park.
'Stade Rennais FC is pleased to announce the signing of the Mali international, Yacouba Sylla,' the French club said in a brief statement.

The 24-year-old Malian joined Villa from Clermont Foot for £2million in January 2013 but made only 12 Barclays Premier League starts and spent last season on loan at Turkish Super Lig club Kayseri Erciyesspor.
Sylla joins Darren Bent and Andreas Weimann in leaving the Barclays Premier League club as Villa manager Tim Sherwood continues to re-shape his squad ahead of next season.
It is also understood Matt Lowton will join Burnley subject to a successful medical"

At this rate I think I will get my boots out and give them a clean :)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: wozwebs on June 22, 2015, 09:04:33 PM

Lukas Hradecky, Finnish Goalkeeper signing according the font all all knowledge @IncogAVFC

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: MoetVillan on June 22, 2015, 09:38:55 PM

Good luck Lowton, I have to admit I thought there was a good player there.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve R on June 22, 2015, 09:45:45 PM

We have managed to move the likes of Lowton and Sylla along simply because as players they do have their merits and the contracts they were on at VP were not ridiculously inflated beyond their true worth.

The time to be impressed with Fox is when NZogbia signs for Southend.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 22, 2015, 10:18:16 PM

It all adds up. Stevens, wiemann, Bent, Lowton, Vlaar and Sylla all off the books. Be interesting to know how much salary this is saving. Be nice to get a couple More in the incoming column.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 22, 2015, 10:22:18 PM

Quote from: Newby on June 22, 2015, 10:18:16 PM

It all adds up. Stevens, wiemann, Bent, Lowton, Vlaar and Sylla all off the books. Be interesting to know how much salary this is saving. Be nice to get a couple More in the incoming column.

My guess:

Stevens: 5k
Weimann, 25k
Bent, 60k (although slightly off-set in recent years by loan deals)
Lowton, 20k
Vlaar 45k
Sylla 10k

160k a week.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 22, 2015, 10:43:05 PM

Add cleverly in aswell at what 40k a week ?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 22, 2015, 11:00:29 PM

Quote from: wozwebs on June 22, 2015, 09:04:33 PM

Lukas Hradecky, Finnish Goalkeeper signing according the font all all knowledge @IncogAVFC

While typing this, I am saying "I know, I know, I know", but this turned out to be relatively accurate:

IncogAVFC ‏@IncogAVFC  Jun 13
Kyle Walker to complete the RB Merry go round. Lowton to Burnley, Trippier to #THFC with Walker signing for #AVFC

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 22, 2015, 11:13:47 PM

When you look at the quality and overall contributions of the players going or on their way, it's not hard to see why we were finishing in the bottom 6;

Bent
Vlaar
Stephens
Lowton
Tonev
Sylla
Helenius
Luna
Bennett
Weimann

Some real pish in this squad.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 22, 2015, 11:49:23 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 22, 2015, 11:00:29 PM

Quote from: wozwebs on June 22, 2015, 09:04:33 PM

Lukas Hradecky, Finnish Goalkeeper signing according the font all all knowledge @IncogAVFC

While typing this, I am saying "I know, I know, I know", but this turned out to be relatively accurate:

IncogAVFC ‏@IncogAVFC  Jun 13
Kyle Walker to complete the RB Merry go round. Lowton to Burnley, Trippier to #THFC with Walker signing for #AVFC

I really like Walker so I would be over the moon with him coming back. This keeper looks a decent player but if Guzan is to be replaced I would want someone more proven I think.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 23, 2015, 12:02:53 AM

I thought that incog fella was full of shit? Didn't he post something the other day that we dismissed or am I thinking of someone else?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on June 23, 2015, 12:15:43 AM

Going for another RB (whether that be Walker or someone else) would keep with the theory that TS may play Richards in his preferred position as CB.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 23, 2015, 12:50:30 AM

Quote from: Ads on June 22, 2015, 11:13:47 PM

When you look at the quality and overall contributions of the players going or on their way, it's not hard to see why we were finishing in the bottom 6;

Bent
Vlaar
Stephens
Lowton
Tonev
Sylla
Helenius
Luna
Bennett
Weimann

Some real pish in this squad.

so who is next out of the door? Your answers on a postcard please. I'll go Tonev followed by Helenius.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 23, 2015, 05:11:08 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 23, 2015, 12:02:53 AM

I thought that incog fella was full of shit? Didn't he post something the other day that we dismissed or am I thinking of someone else?

As far as I know he has a 100% track record of getting it wrong. So yeah you are thinking of the same person.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 23, 2015, 06:42:50 AM

Sunderland being linked w wijnaldum from PSV. Can't think he'd go there but I'd like a bit of that pie. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 23, 2015, 08:11:24 AM

Press bollocks I imagine. Just as we are being linked with everyone that has ever visited North London because we have Sherwood as manager, they will be linked with anyone who knows the capital of the Netherlands because Advocaat is their manager

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Shrek on June 23, 2015, 08:44:59 AM

This chap wrote this,

@jonnygould: #avfc: I'm told there's interest in Fabian Delph and Tim Sherwood WOULD sell him for £12m. That's what he'd accept.

Then wrote this,

@jonnygould: The deal is... Delph to #lfc with Borini in permanently and Ibe on loan - plus £12m. It's being discussed - but unlikely.

Is he credible?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 23, 2015, 08:50:13 AM

Borini is fucking shite. No idea about Ibe. Bearing in mind they've just signed Milner and have Henderson I doubt they'd want Delph, unless they're planning to waste Jimmy by playing him on the wing.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 23, 2015, 08:59:49 AM

so if I've read this correctly, the deal would be worth about 26m then? They value Borini at 14m or thereabouts, and are also bunging us 12m in cash? That would mean they value him higher than Benteke. File under improbable.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 23, 2015, 09:01:54 AM

Edit: ignore me, talking shit.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dr Butler on June 23, 2015, 09:05:01 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 23, 2015, 08:59:49 AM

so if I've read this correctly, the deal would be worth about 26m then? They value Borini at 14m or thereabouts, and are also bunging us 12m in cash? That would mean they value him higher than Benteke. File under improbable.

Liverpoo value Borini at £14 million....don't you mean £1.4 million..

UTV
The Doc

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 23, 2015, 09:23:48 AM

Quote from: Shrek on June 23, 2015, 08:44:59 AM

This chap wrote this,

@jonnygould: #avfc: I'm told there's interest in Fabian Delph and Tim Sherwood WOULD sell him for £12m. That's what he'd accept.

Then wrote this,

@jonnygould: The deal is... Delph to #lfc with Borini in permanently and Ibe on loan - plus £12m. It's being discussed - but unlikely.

Is he credible?

What utter utter nonsense. Given the figures being banded around for the likes of Wilshere at the moment and the fact that Delph has just signed a 4 year deal. We'd be asking at least £30 million for him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 23, 2015, 09:28:43 AM

Borini is absolute shite.

That deal would be so desperately poor, I can't believe we'd go for that.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 23, 2015, 09:45:22 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 23, 2015, 09:28:43 AM

Borini is absolute shite.

That deal would be so desperately poor, I can't believe we wouldn't go for that.

FTFY.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 23, 2015, 10:44:53 AM

Borini would never come to us anyway, he's far too good *sarcasm emotion*

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 23, 2015, 01:10:32 PM

I think Borini  had a short spell last season where he looked half decent for a few games but I don't think it lasted very long.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 23, 2015, 01:37:15 PM

There seem to be quite a few rumours about Virgil Van Dijk leaving Celtic this summer.  Must confess to not knowing too much about him, but a possible replacement for Vlaar if he leaves?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SashasGrandad on June 23, 2015, 01:54:30 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on June 23, 2015, 01:37:15 PM

There seesm to be quite a few rumours about Virgil Van Dijk leaving Celtic thi summer.  Can't confess to knowing too much about him, but a possible replacement for Vlaar if he leaves?

Didn't he fly Thunderbird 2?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villatillidie25 on June 23, 2015, 02:01:55 PM

thats FAB SashasGrandad

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve R on June 23, 2015, 02:48:21 PM

Quote from: SashasGrandad on June 23, 2015, 01:54:30 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on June 23, 2015, 01:37:15 PM

There seesm to be quite a few rumours about Virgil Van Dijk leaving Celtic thi summer.  Can't confess to knowing too much about him, but a possible replacement for Vlaar if he leaves?

Didn't he fly Thunderbird 2?

I thought he may be a chimney sweep witha crap English accent.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdward on June 23, 2015, 03:00:02 PM

Quote from: Steve Rose on June 23, 2015, 02:48:21 PM

Quote from: SashasGrandad on June 23, 2015, 01:54:30 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on June 23, 2015, 01:37:15 PM

There seesm to be quite a few rumours about Virgil Van Dijk leaving Celtic thi summer.  Can't confess to knowing too much about him, but a possible replacement for Vlaar if he leaves?

Didn't he fly Thunderbird 2?

I thought he may be a chimney sweep witha crap English accent.

Chim, chim-eny, chim, chim-eny chim chim charoo...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Lobsterboy on June 23, 2015, 03:57:51 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on June 23, 2015, 01:37:15 PM

There seem to be quite a few rumours about Virgil Van Dijk leaving Celtic this summer.  Must confess to not knowing too much about him, but a possible replacement for Vlaar if he leaves?

I'm sure he's the son in Diagnosis, Murder

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 23, 2015, 04:05:07 PM

that's his brother, Dick

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 23, 2015, 05:12:50 PM

Borini is a professional Heskey and all cows backsides are safe from banjos when he's around, if that deal ever took place I would give up, it would rank alongside hiring mcboring0-0 for sheer stupidity.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 23, 2015, 06:43:18 PM

Borini gets mugged off in England. He should get back involved in serie a .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 23, 2015, 06:54:32 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 23, 2015, 06:43:18 PM

Borini gets mugged off in England. He should get back involved in serie a .

Where he has only ever scored 9 goals anyway. He's just not very good is he. Shame he didn't join Sunderland for the reported £12m last season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: citizenDJ on June 23, 2015, 07:50:36 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 22, 2015, 11:00:29 PM

Quote from: wozwebs on June 22, 2015, 09:04:33 PM

Lukas Hradecky, Finnish Goalkeeper signing according the font all all knowledge @IncogAVFC

While typing this, I am saying "I know, I know, I know", but this turned out to be relatively accurate:

IncogAVFC ‏@IncogAVFC  Jun 13
Kyle Walker to complete the RB Merry go round. Lowton to Burnley, Trippier to #THFC with Walker signing for #AVFC

No, no, no. For all your proper ITK fun, you should be following @EDS_Amy

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on June 23, 2015, 08:20:44 PM

Quote from: citizenDJ on June 23, 2015, 07:50:36 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 22, 2015, 11:00:29 PM

Quote from: wozwebs on June 22, 2015, 09:04:33 PM

Lukas Hradecky, Finnish Goalkeeper signing according the font all all knowledge @IncogAVFC

While typing this, I am saying "I know, I know, I know", but this turned out to be relatively accurate:

IncogAVFC ‏@IncogAVFC  Jun 13
Kyle Walker to complete the RB Merry go round. Lowton to Burnley, Trippier to #THFC with Walker signing for #AVFC

No, no, no. For all your proper ITK fun, you should be following @EDS_Amy

@FootieWriter and @_FootyTalk_ are two others that also get things right all the time. Usually after it's been announced officially by the clubs involved.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Legion on June 23, 2015, 08:25:34 PM

@statingthebleedingobvious

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Doorbell on June 23, 2015, 08:45:41 PM

Quote from: cdward on June 23, 2015, 03:00:02 PM

Quote from: Steve Rose on June 23, 2015, 02:48:21 PM

Quote from: SashasGrandad on June 23, 2015, 01:54:30 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on June 23, 2015, 01:37:15 PM

There seesm to be quite a few rumours about Virgil Van Dijk leaving Celtic thi summer.  Can't confess to knowing too much about him, but a possible replacement for Vlaar if he leaves?

Didn't he fly Thunderbird 2?

I thought he may be a chimney sweep witha crap English accent.

Chim, chim-eny, chim, chim-eny chim chim charoo...

Irrespective of talent...I really, really want Van Dijk to sign and for this to be his song.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 23, 2015, 08:48:29 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on June 23, 2015, 06:54:32 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 23, 2015, 06:43:18 PM

Borini gets mugged off in England. He should get back involved in serie a .

Where he has only ever scored 9 goals anyway. He's just not very good is he. Shame he didn't join Sunderland for the reported £12m last season.

Just nice for him to be back with his family and his roots

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 23, 2015, 08:51:11 PM

How about victor Moses. Rate him more than Townsend can play up front like sinclair

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 23, 2015, 09:09:41 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 23, 2015, 08:51:11 PM

How about victor Moses. Rate him more than Townsend can play up front like sinclair

I think the money Chelsea would want and the wages he'd want there are probably financially better alternatives to him abroad. He's pretty much wasted 2 years as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 23, 2015, 09:12:07 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 23, 2015, 08:51:11 PM

How about victor Moses. Rate him more than Townsend can play up front like sinclair

How does Moses make his coffee?

Hebrews it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 23, 2015, 09:34:23 PM

Quote from: TheMalandro on June 23, 2015, 09:12:07 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 23, 2015, 08:51:11 PM

How about victor Moses. Rate him more than Townsend can play up front like sinclair

How does Moses make his coffee?

Hebrews it.

Roflzzzz ;D

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 23, 2015, 10:35:07 PM

Not a Benteke replacement suggestion but how about Papis Cisse as seems Newcastle want to sell him.

Surprised to see he actually scored 11 league goals this season considering he had a 7 match ban for gobbing Johnny Evans and also injuries. Scored 11 in 12/13 aswell so he'd be that reliable 2nd prolific striker we don't have.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 23, 2015, 10:38:40 PM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on June 23, 2015, 10:35:07 PM

Not a Benteke replacement suggestion but how about Papis Cisse as seems Newcastle want to sell him.

Surprised to see he actually scored 11 league goals this season considering he had a 7 match ban for gobbing Johnny Evans and also injuries. Scored 11 in 12/13 aswell so he'd be that reliable 2nd prolific striker we don't have.

So you don't fancy jonny evans down the  villa then

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on June 24, 2015, 06:53:27 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 23, 2015, 08:51:11 PM

How about victor Moses. Rate him more than Townsend can play up front like sinclair

How about Sinclair? ....

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 24, 2015, 07:09:52 AM

I think Ciise alongside Benteke could be awesome soccer.

I hope the twitter talk that Fox has quit are not true.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 24, 2015, 07:14:14 AM

I've always liked Ciise, but a season doesn't seem to go by without him landing himself a ban of some sort.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 24, 2015, 07:19:15 AM

I like that he is something very different and liable to do something out of nothing. At the moment I think we lack unpredictable players.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 24, 2015, 08:10:08 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 24, 2015, 07:09:52 AM

I think Ciise alongside Benteke could be awesome soccer.

I hope the twitter talk that Fox has quit are not true.

I blame H&V for hounding him out

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 24, 2015, 08:39:20 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 24, 2015, 07:09:52 AM

I think Ciise alongside Benteke could be awesome soccer.

I hope the twitter talk that Fox has quit are not true.

If fox has quit that's due to the take over business dont you think

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aev on June 24, 2015, 08:46:55 AM

If true (doubtful) you surely wouldn't quit - you'd wait to be made redundant and get a nice pay off?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on June 24, 2015, 08:55:47 AM

Where's this 'Fox has quit' stuff come from?  Any substance to it?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Legion on June 24, 2015, 08:58:05 AM

Quote from: dave shelley on June 24, 2015, 08:55:47 AM

Where's this 'Fox has quit' stuff come from?  Any substance to it?

Made up Tw*tter nonsense?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 24, 2015, 09:18:10 AM

Why would he quit knowing there's a potential pay off following a takeover?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villatillidie25 on June 24, 2015, 09:23:06 AM

it's complete rubbish. the account was fake. Having said that, he may well leave if/when a takeover happens

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: in exile on June 24, 2015, 09:26:08 AM

Quote from: Villatillidie25 on June 24, 2015, 09:23:06 AM

it's complete rubbish. the account was fake. Having said that, he may well leave if/when a takeover happens

He could be drawing his pension by the time a take over happens

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on June 24, 2015, 09:39:07 AM

Thanks all.  Any new owners would be well advised to hold off on any replacement for TomFox IMO.  He's been very good for us in his time here.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 24, 2015, 10:14:42 AM

New owners do what they want. I'd like to thing they keep manager in place for now unless villa become super rich and can get anchelotti..
Fox I'm not so sure as he comes out with it doesn't he !! Mainly the opposite!  First he said Lambert would stay and then sacks him . He also said no villa sale imminent..and by September we're likely to have new owner.
He did well to move Lambert out its just the way he did it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 24, 2015, 10:22:43 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 24, 2015, 10:14:42 AM

New owners do what they want. I'd like to thing they keep manager in place for now unless villa become super rich and can get anchelotti..
Fox I'm not so sure as he comes out with it doesn't he !! Mainly the opposite!  First he said Lambert would stay and then sacks him . He also said no villa sale imminent..and by September we're likely to have new owner.
He did well to move Lambert out its just the way he did it.

When CEOs are questioned about struggling managers, they always say supportive things and that they're going nowhere.

Then they sack them a few days later.

It must be the oldest truism in football.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 24, 2015, 10:23:57 AM

The vote of confidence innit'.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 24, 2015, 10:29:57 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 24, 2015, 10:22:43 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 24, 2015, 10:14:42 AM

New owners do what they want. I'd like to thing they keep manager in place for now unless villa become super rich and can get anchelotti..
Fox I'm not so sure as he comes out with it doesn't he !! Mainly the opposite!  First he said Lambert would stay and then sacks him . He also said no villa sale imminent..and by September we're likely to have new owner.
He did well to move Lambert out its just the way he did it.

When CEOs are questioned about struggling managers, they always say supportive things and that they're going nowhere.

Then they sack them a few days later.

It must be the oldest truism in football.

Oh k so when CEO says' who are these rich people who want to buy villa give me names??'  Protecting the buyer??He's saying I know name and you can't have it !

But I do like it that he wants Vila to be finishing highs and not relegation and understand that villa aren't about being lowly . I think that's one truism he has

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 24, 2015, 10:37:29 AM

Quote from: TheMalandro on June 24, 2015, 08:10:08 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 24, 2015, 07:09:52 AM

I think Ciise alongside Benteke could be awesome soccer.

I hope the twitter talk that Fox has quit are not true.

I blame H&V for hounding him out

That's sly or fantastic hounding .. But wonder toms takes on matter ??


Dogs go woof cows for meow
Bird goes tweet and mouse goes squeak
Cow goes moo fog goes croak and the elephant goes toot!!
Ducks say quack and fish go blub and the seal goes ow ow ow
But there's one sound that no one knows !!!!

What does the FOX  say!!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villasjf on June 24, 2015, 10:43:21 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 24, 2015, 10:37:29 AM

Quote from: TheMalandro on June 24, 2015, 08:10:08 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 24, 2015, 07:09:52 AM

I think Ciise alongside Benteke could be awesome soccer.

I hope the twitter talk that Fox has quit are not true.

I blame H&V for hounding him out

That's sly or fantastic hounding .. But wonder toms takes on matter ??


Dogs go woof cows for meow
Bird goes tweet and mouse goes squeak
Cow goes moo fog goes croak and the elephant goes toot!!
Ducks say quack and fish go blub and the seal goes ow ow ow
But there's one sound that no one knows !!!!

What does the FOX  say!!

Time for your meds I think.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: prmort on June 24, 2015, 11:02:37 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 24, 2015, 10:37:29 AM

Quote from: TheMalandro on June 24, 2015, 08:10:08 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 24, 2015, 07:09:52 AM

I think Ciise alongside Benteke could be awesome soccer.

I hope the twitter talk that Fox has quit are not true.

I blame H&V for hounding him out

That's sly or fantastic hounding .. But wonder toms takes on matter ??


Dogs go woof cows for meow
Bird goes tweet and mouse goes squeak
Cow goes moo fog goes croak and the elephant goes toot!!
Ducks say quack and fish go blub and the seal goes ow ow ow
But there's one sound that no one knows !!!!

What does the FOX  say!!

False narrative

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on June 24, 2015, 11:39:48 AM

Talkshite giving this story some legs...............Godzvilla!

Aston Villa have launched a £3million move for Uruguayan striker Felipe Avenatti.

The Villains have contacted the 22-year-old's club, Serie B outfit Ternana, over his availability this summer.

And it has been revealed by Italian newspaper Giornale dell'Umbria that the red-greens are ready to cash in on the powerful 6ft 5in forward.

Villa boss Tim Sherwood wants to strengthen his first-team squad this term but faces competition from Championship side Leeds United and recently-relegated Cagliari.

Doubts over the long-term future of Christian Benteke have also forced Sherwood to look for another forward.

Avenatti, who began his career at River Plate, hit 13 goals in 39 appearances last season and is contracted to the Stadio Libero Liberat club until 2017.

Read more at http://talksport.com/football/aston-villa-transfer-report-tim-sherwood-targets-ps3million-uruguayan-hitman-150624151972#7x8lah0yBVMdQpOP.99

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on June 24, 2015, 11:45:32 AM

Quote from: prmort on June 24, 2015, 11:02:37 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 24, 2015, 10:37:29 AM

Quote from: TheMalandro on June 24, 2015, 08:10:08 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 24, 2015, 07:09:52 AM

I think Ciise alongside Benteke could be awesome soccer.

I hope the twitter talk that Fox has quit are not true.

I blame H&V for hounding him out

That's sly or fantastic hounding .. But wonder toms takes on matter ??


Dogs go woof cows for meow
Bird goes tweet and mouse goes squeak
Cow goes moo fog goes croak and the elephant goes toot!!
Ducks say quack and fish go blub and the seal goes ow ow ow
But there's one sound that no one knows !!!!

What does the FOX  say!!

False narrative

Indeed. where are these bloody meowing cows?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 24, 2015, 12:27:54 PM

Quote from: godzvilla on June 24, 2015, 11:39:48 AM

Talkshite giving this story some legs...............Godzvilla!

Aston Villa have launched a £3million move for Uruguayan striker Felipe Avenatti.

The Villains have contacted the 22-year-old's club, Serie B outfit Ternana, over his availability this summer.

And it has been revealed by Italian newspaper Giornale dell'Umbria that the red-greens are ready to cash in on the powerful 6ft 5in forward.

Villa boss Tim Sherwood wants to strengthen his first-team squad this term but faces competition from Championship side Leeds United and recently-relegated Cagliari.

Doubts over the long-term future of Christian Benteke have also forced Sherwood to look for another forward.

Avenatti, who began his career at River Plate, hit 13 goals in 39 appearances last season and is contracted to the Stadio Libero Liberat club until 2017.

Read more at http://talksport.com/football/aston-villa-transfer-report-tim-sherwood-targets-ps3million-uruguayan-hitman-150624151972#7x8lah0yBVMdQpOP.99

Top level competition for his signature. Bloke must be good.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 24, 2015, 01:04:02 PM

Leeds utd? do me a favour, what about Libor?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 24, 2015, 01:05:06 PM

might as well have kept Helenius as go for this geezer.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 24, 2015, 01:05:43 PM

Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 24, 2015, 12:27:54 PM

Quote from: godzvilla on June 24, 2015, 11:39:48 AM

Talkshite giving this story some legs...............Godzvilla!

Aston Villa have launched a £3million move for Uruguayan striker Felipe Avenatti.

The Villains have contacted the 22-year-old's club, Serie B outfit Ternana, over his availability this summer.

And it has been revealed by Italian newspaper Giornale dell'Umbria that the red-greens are ready to cash in on the powerful 6ft 5in forward.

Villa boss Tim Sherwood wants to strengthen his first-team squad this term but faces competition from Championship side Leeds United and recently-relegated Cagliari.

Doubts over the long-term future of Christian Benteke have also forced Sherwood to look for another forward.

Avenatti, who began his career at River Plate, hit 13 goals in 39 appearances last season and is contracted to the Stadio Libero Liberat club until 2017.

Read more at http://talksport.com/football/aston-villa-transfer-report-tim-sherwood-targets-ps3million-uruguayan-hitman-150624151972#7x8lah0yBVMdQpOP.99

Top level competition for his signature. Bloke must be good.

You could argue that not many seemed to be after Benteke either.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 24, 2015, 01:29:54 PM

"Doubts over the long-term future of Christian Benteke have also forced Sherwood to look for another forward."

So, nothing to do with having just sold Weimann and released Bent then?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ryu on June 24, 2015, 01:56:20 PM

Quote from: OCD on June 24, 2015, 01:29:54 PM

"Doubts over the long-term future of Christian Benteke have also forced Sherwood to look for another forward."

So, nothing to do with having just sold Weimann and released Bent then?

To be fair it's unlikely we'd want 3 giant strikers on our books at once.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 24, 2015, 01:58:25 PM

Another name to throw out there. Demba Ba for a couple of seasons?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 24, 2015, 02:01:12 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 24, 2015, 01:58:25 PM

Another name to throw out there. Demba Ba for a couple of seasons?

Always rated him, would have been a good signing after he left chavski

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on June 24, 2015, 02:22:53 PM

Ba's probably getting paid a shitload in Turkey, so I'm not that comfortable with paying what it would take to get him here given that he's already 30.

Good player, mind you.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 24, 2015, 02:51:48 PM

Quote from: villasjf on June 24, 2015, 10:43:21 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 24, 2015, 10:37:29 AM

Quote from: TheMalandro on June 24, 2015, 08:10:08 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 24, 2015, 07:09:52 AM

I think Ciise alongside Benteke could be awesome soccer.

I hope the twitter talk that Fox has quit are not true.

I blame H&V for hounding him out

That's sly or fantastic hounding .. But wonder toms takes on matter ??


Dogs go woof cows for meow
Bird goes tweet and mouse goes squeak
Cow goes moo fog goes croak and the elephant goes toot!!
Ducks say quack and fish go blub and the seal goes ow ow ow
But there's one sound that no one knows !!!!

What does the FOX  say!!

Time for your meds I think.

Ha but its that song ! No?
And demba ba yes though I'm a bit sheepish due to wage demands. He may take us lambs to slaughter

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on June 24, 2015, 03:16:28 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on June 24, 2015, 01:04:02 PM

Leeds utd? do me a favour, what about Libor?

The question is whether Tim's interest in Libor is only short-term

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on June 24, 2015, 03:48:40 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 24, 2015, 02:51:48 PM

Quote from: villasjf on June 24, 2015, 10:43:21 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 24, 2015, 10:37:29 AM

Quote from: TheMalandro on June 24, 2015, 08:10:08 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 24, 2015, 07:09:52 AM

I think Ciise alongside Benteke could be awesome soccer.

I hope the twitter talk that Fox has quit are not true.

I blame H&V for hounding him out

That's sly or fantastic hounding .. But wonder toms takes on matter ??


Dogs go woof cows for meow
Bird goes tweet and mouse goes squeak
Cow goes moo fog goes croak and the elephant goes toot!!
Ducks say quack and fish go blub and the seal goes ow ow ow
But there's one sound that no one knows !!!!

What does the FOX  say!!

Time for your meds I think.

Ha but its that song ! No?
And demba ba yes though I'm a bit sheepish due to wage demands. He may take us lambs to slaughter

I wonder...did that line 'Lambs to the slaughter' ever get used when we were getting shooed by Chelsea/Arsenal etc? If not it should have been

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on June 24, 2015, 04:58:28 PM

The song definitely doesn't say that cats go meow, even Norwegians aren't that odd.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Risso on June 24, 2015, 05:02:05 PM

Quote from: paul_e on June 24, 2015, 04:58:28 PM

The song definitely doesn't say that cats go meow, even Norwegians aren't that odd.

It does.  I think you were correcting Footy's assertions that cows go meow, but you seem to have made a right balls of it! ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: in exile on June 24, 2015, 05:04:34 PM

Quote from: paul_e on June 24, 2015, 04:58:28 PM

The song definitely doesn't say that cats go meow, even Norwegians aren't that odd.

No, no, no! Cows go meow according to him.
The Fox says "Bingo"

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on June 24, 2015, 05:15:30 PM

Quote from: Risso on June 24, 2015, 05:02:05 PM

Quote from: paul_e on June 24, 2015, 04:58:28 PM

The song definitely doesn't say that cats go meow, even Norwegians aren't that odd.

It does.  I think you were correcting Footy's assertions that cows go meow, but you seem to have made a right balls of it! ;)

ah feck, I typed it on auto-pilot and instinctively put cats in when thinking about meow.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 24, 2015, 05:17:07 PM

Quote from: Ryu on June 24, 2015, 01:56:20 PM

Quote from: OCD on June 24, 2015, 01:29:54 PM

"Doubts over the long-term future of Christian Benteke have also forced Sherwood to look for another forward."

So, nothing to do with having just sold Weimann and released Bent then?

To be fair it's unlikely we'd want 3 giant strikers on our books at once.

You think the press have a clue who Libor Kozak is?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 24, 2015, 05:22:52 PM

Quote from: OCD on June 24, 2015, 05:17:07 PM

Quote from: Ryu on June 24, 2015, 01:56:20 PM

Quote from: OCD on June 24, 2015, 01:29:54 PM

"Doubts over the long-term future of Christian Benteke have also forced Sherwood to look for another forward."

So, nothing to do with having just sold Weimann and released Bent then?

To be fair it's unlikely we'd want 3 giant strikers on our books at once.

You think the press have a clue who Libor Kozak is?

Have they linked us with him yet? I remember when Bent was on loan at Fulham and the Mirror came up with the cock and bull story that Fulham were selling him in the summer for x million, completely ignoring that we owned him, good luck with that.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Nirog72 on June 24, 2015, 06:33:57 PM

Linked with Jordan Cousins on Twitter

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 24, 2015, 06:36:24 PM

Who is Jordan Cousins?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Legion on June 24, 2015, 06:40:23 PM

Charlton Athletic midfielder (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Cousins)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt C on June 24, 2015, 06:41:50 PM

Jazz Richards from Swansea according to the BBC - http://bbc.in/1J5MWPC

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard E on June 24, 2015, 06:52:04 PM

Quote from: Matt C on June 24, 2015, 06:41:50 PM

Jazz Richards from Swansea according to the BBC - http://bbc.in/1J5MWPC

Cracking name! We should sign him on that basis alone!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: FatSam on June 24, 2015, 07:06:43 PM

Quote from: Nirog72 on June 24, 2015, 06:33:57 PM

Linked with Jordan Cousins on Twitter

This was reported more than a week ago (http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=54042.1860) but I hadn't seen anything else since.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Nirog72 on June 24, 2015, 07:19:31 PM

Probably a rehash but says today we are making an offer

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aev on June 24, 2015, 07:30:52 PM

Whilst it is still relatively early on in the off season I really do hope we bring some proven quality into our starting 11.

Jazz Richards, Jordan Cousins all seem a bit cheap and cheerful to me.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 24, 2015, 07:32:09 PM

funky names though

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aev on June 24, 2015, 07:42:32 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 24, 2015, 07:32:09 PM

funky names though

Yeah, we'll be getting Jermaine McSporran out of retirement next.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 24, 2015, 08:13:39 PM

Or Danny Invincible.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Legion on June 24, 2015, 08:14:47 PM

Johnny Dangerous.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 24, 2015, 08:23:19 PM

Quote from: Legion on June 24, 2015, 08:14:47 PM

Johnny Dangerous.

Isn't the problem with that it's not actually the name of a footballer?

Now if you'd gone with this chap... (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danger_Fourpence)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aev on June 24, 2015, 08:25:28 PM

Marvin Underwhelmed- Again

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aev on June 24, 2015, 08:26:31 PM

Quote from: aev on June 24, 2015, 08:25:28 PM

Marvin Underwhelmed - Again

You could have just set up a wiki page for all we know Dave.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 24, 2015, 09:05:14 PM

Last week players we had heard of and could be optimistic would at least improve the team were linked. This week Lambert seems to have been leaking his list to the press, had he still been here.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 24, 2015, 10:52:08 PM

Ozzjim, have you been drinking? 😁

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 24, 2015, 11:28:58 PM

No.. Predictive text on my tablet ran riot!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 24, 2015, 11:46:53 PM

Jazz Richards is sub standard. hes not a hot defender and positional no better than lowton. -And Lowton probs better going forward!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 25, 2015, 02:08:47 AM

Quote from: aev on June 24, 2015, 07:30:52 PM

Whilst it is still relatively early on in the off season I really do hope we bring some proven quality into our starting 11.

Jazz Richards, Jordan Cousins all seem a bit cheap and cheerful to me.

Surely that should be "young and hungry"?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on June 25, 2015, 06:27:43 AM

If the implied takeover fails to materialise that's the market Tim Sherwood will have to deal in.Cheap and not  too cheerful.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 25, 2015, 06:33:25 AM

then we're dooomed

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 25, 2015, 07:15:22 AM

According to the Stoke sentinel we want Begovic. Has to be one of the most far fetched links of the summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: phantom limb on June 25, 2015, 07:43:42 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 25, 2015, 07:15:22 AM

According to the Stoke sentinel we want Begovic. Has to be one of the most far fetched links of the summer.

If it was up to me I'd pay whatever it took to get him in, he's one of the best keepers in the league. Maybe he doesn't want to sit on Chelsea's bench for the rest of his career.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 25, 2015, 07:48:59 AM

I'd be delighted with Begovic but can't see how or why that'd happen.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 25, 2015, 08:23:34 AM

Fascinating we have yet another keeper link. Does Sherwood REALLY not rate Guzan at all? Weird. I know he had a bad few games there and one disastrous mistake against man City, but he is not a bad keeper all of a sudden, surely?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ryu on June 25, 2015, 08:30:44 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 25, 2015, 07:48:59 AM

I'd be delighted with Begovic but can't see how or why that'd happen.

Like the Nzonzi link it would be a very good signing but if those players are looking to upgrade on Stoke then on the evidence of the last couple of seasons it's unlikely they'd be looking to come to us, sadly. 

Unless Sherwood has the persuasion skills of the fast talking fed ex guy and can convince them we're on the up. 

As an aside has any English team ever had 2 players ion the squad who's name start with Nz?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on June 25, 2015, 09:09:01 AM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on June 25, 2015, 08:23:34 AM

Fascinating we have yet another keeper link. Does Sherwood REALLY not rate Guzan at all? Weird. I know he had a bad few games there and one disastrous mistake against man City, but he is not a bad keeper all of a sudden, surely?

I don't think Guzan has ever shown his best under Sherwood - and even in the preceding 12 months before Sherwood took over, his form had been a little up and down. We all well know just how good he can be, but that form has unfortunately never materialised since Sherwood took over, so he probably isn't fully aware of that fact.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Damo70 on June 25, 2015, 09:20:29 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 25, 2015, 07:48:59 AM

I'd be delighted with Begovic but can't see how or why that'd happen.

If they rate Butland it would be a good way for Stoke to bring in some money. Also, with Liverpool and Arsenal bringing in keepers he won't be going to one of the top clubs as things stand.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Legion on June 25, 2015, 09:25:32 AM

No, he won't be going to one of the rich clubs, he'll be going to THE top club.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 25, 2015, 09:26:36 AM

But he won't will he. Because he will have more sense than come here at the moment.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Legion on June 25, 2015, 09:28:11 AM

I don't believe a word of anything on this thread regarding transfers until it is officially confirmed.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on June 25, 2015, 09:36:46 AM

Is it just me or does anyone else think the links to players with our club at the moment are complete horse apples and a combination of either agents using us to drum up interest or media hacks trying to fill columns/click bait?

We are seemingly in a state of financial flux and i cant see how a) Randy will sanction money on the basis we may be sold in 3/4 weeks b) The potential  new owners can sanction anything on the basis the deal may still fall through. It would explain why the only actual signing is a free on wages that will no doubt be in line with a similar sum to someone who has been released, ie Bent.

Even if TS has money to spend generated by player sales why would he be fishing for a championship RB for a couple of million when in 2/3 weeks he may have 8-10m available to fill the position making the original signing obsolete.

I know its fun to speculate (I can also see the irony in the fact my entire post is speculation) but it all seems a bit...Champo Manager 'pie in the sky' at the moment

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 25, 2015, 09:54:56 AM

I think that is pretty spot on.  Until the takeover is sorted one way or another we might as well keep our powder dry.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on June 25, 2015, 09:58:04 AM

Quote from: Damo70 on June 25, 2015, 09:20:29 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 25, 2015, 07:48:59 AM

I'd be delighted with Begovic but can't see how or why that'd happen.

If they rate Butland it would be a good way for Stoke to bring in some money. Also, with Liverpool and Arsenal bringing in keepers he won't be going to one of the top clubs as things stand.

How about Man Utd if De Gea leaves ?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Gregorys Boy on June 25, 2015, 10:02:22 AM

I think we should be focusing our efforts elsewhere than a new keeper. I still like Given as a number two and he was one of the better players in the Cup Final.  One iffy season doesn't make Guzan a bad keeper so he should still be number one for me.  I wouldn't say no to signing someone like Begovic but it is more important to improve the midfeld, defence, and maybe sign a good striker should Benteke leave.  Besides I don't see Begovic leaving Stoke for us.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve R on June 25, 2015, 10:21:52 AM

Isn't there an unwritten law that states no matter what the original subject matter, internet discussions will always end up talking about teenage breasts and expensive bottle of vodka?

Maybe I imagined it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villasjf on June 25, 2015, 10:22:57 AM

Looking at the 1st team squad on the OS there is no mention of Tonev, Luna, Bennet or Helenious.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: simon ward 50 on June 25, 2015, 10:29:52 AM

Quote from: UK Redsox on June 24, 2015, 03:16:28 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on June 24, 2015, 01:04:02 PM

Leeds utd? do me a favour, what about Libor?

The question is whether Tim's interest in Libor is only short-term

Lost on most people UKR!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: simon ward 50 on June 25, 2015, 10:32:17 AM

Maybe he just doesn't rate him!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 25, 2015, 10:44:39 AM

At this time of year we will see alot of players who are in final year of contract having decision to make . as well as those who do want to move players names are leaked to media . There are a few players who have contracts up in 2016 and gk begovic is one of them.
As is clyne who is also rumoured to be moving. As is de gea. And of course sterling all these players will be moving and intend to move.
Now there are other players and agents who  want best possible deal so players like nzonzi and mirallaes are in strong positions to decide whether their current club matches their ambition and finances.its also good for buying clubs as price will be lower than if player was in mid contract.

Having done some research I can reveal some  players who are in final year of contract who could well be linked in summer . doesnt mean we wil buy them could be loaned but links well be there.  This is down to their statuts on contract makes them seemingly viable options for villa . this is how be portrayed in media especiallly as players  can be purchased cheaper rate.

Begovic  nzonzi at stoke.
Hulls, Brady ,huddlestone, ince and chester,
qprs ononuha and hoillet.
Adebayor , kaboul, Caroll and Pritchard at Spurs .
Enrique and Flanagan, from liverpool.
Sunderlands  cattermole and johnson.
rafael ,evans,Powell at man utd,
Olson and morrison at wba.
West ham Nolan.
Everton Osman and pienarr

All these players will be out of contract next season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 25, 2015, 10:56:42 AM

Glen Johnson. Kevin Nolan.

*shudder*

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 25, 2015, 10:58:51 AM

Quote from: villasjf on June 25, 2015, 10:22:57 AM

Looking at the 1st team squad on the OS there is no mention of Tonev, Luna, Bennet or Helenious.

I read something about Helenius being very close to joining some Danish team, permanently.

Tonev is apparently going to join a Greek team, AOK Golden Dawn.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 25, 2015, 11:03:07 AM

Quote from: mattjpa on June 25, 2015, 09:36:46 AM

Is it just me or does anyone else think the links to players with our club at the moment are complete horse apples and a combination of either agents using us to drum up interest or media hacks trying to fill columns/click bait?

We are seemingly in a state of financial flux and i cant see how a) Randy will sanction money on the basis we may be sold in 3/4 weeks b) The potential  new owners can sanction anything on the basis the deal may still fall through. It would explain why the only actual signing is a free on wages that will no doubt be in line with a similar sum to someone who has been released, ie Bent.

Even if TS has money to spend generated by player sales why would he be fishing for a championship RB for a couple of million when in 2/3 weeks he may have 8-10m available to fill the position making the original signing obsolete.

I know its fun to speculate (I can also see the irony in the fact my entire post is speculation) but it all seems a bit...Champo Manager 'pie in the sky' at the moment

It is still early days yet - very early, in fact - but I think you've hit on a few important points there.

The one which worries me most is the potential situation whereby Lerner can't, or won't, sanction spending with the other party in due diligence (I assume that is still ongoing), it then drags on, or falls through, even, meaning we've eaten up a good chunk of summer not being able to spend.

If it did fall through, we'd then find ourselves stuck with the current owner, who clearly doesn't want to spend anything, and a squad which is in desperate need of strengthening.

I honestly think if - for whatever reason - we go through a summer signing the sort of underwhelming players we've been mostly linked with (like summers gone by) then that will be it for us.

We finished seventeenth, we have got to improve considerably this season. More of the same isn't going to cut it.

Until we get clarification on the ownership issue, I think we are going to be in a very uncomfortable situation.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 25, 2015, 11:23:51 AM

Yes this takeover happening over the summer, a summer where we need serious investment, is a making things quite uncomfortable.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on June 25, 2015, 01:03:10 PM

Of the 111 goals Kevin Nolan's scored in his career according to Wiki, I'm pretty sure 80 of them have come against us.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Duncan Shaw on June 25, 2015, 01:09:35 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 25, 2015, 11:23:51 AM

Yes this takeover happening over the summer, a summer where we need serious investment, is a making things quite uncomfortable.

I don't think there's any need to panic yet.  We're half way through a period of exclusitivty with the window not actually open yet.  Only a handful of transfers have actually been announced of which we have done one.  We have cleared some of the deadwood.  There is an announcement looming about FFP, which is due at the end of the month where it is widely anticipated that it wouldn't be in a new owners interest to take over before the start of July, which we are nearly at anyway.  I think we'll see some real movement from the end of next week onwards and we will be in for a whirlwind of a summer!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Duncan Shaw on June 25, 2015, 01:10:17 PM

Quote from: passitsideways on June 25, 2015, 01:03:10 PM

Of the 111 goals Kevin Nolan's scored in his career according to Wiki, I'm pretty sure 80 of them have come against us.

You must be please Ray Wilkins has joined with your username!!!!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 25, 2015, 01:16:38 PM

Quote from: Duncan Shaw on June 25, 2015, 01:09:35 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 25, 2015, 11:23:51 AM

Yes this takeover happening over the summer, a summer where we need serious investment, is a making things quite uncomfortable.

I don't think there's any need to panic yet.  We're half way through a period of exclusitivty with the window not actually open yet.  Only a handful of transfers have actually been announced of which we have done one.  We have cleared some of the deadwood.  There is an announcement looming about FFP, which is due at the end of the month where it is widely anticipated that it wouldn't be in a new owners interest to take over before the start of July, which we are nearly at anyway.  I think we'll see some real movement from the end of next week onwards and we will be in for a whirlwind of a summer!

Wouldn't it be great if after the last few seasons of dire struggle we ended this summer with a really decent team, with links to the likes of Begovic actually holding some weight.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: WarszaVillan on June 25, 2015, 01:17:08 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 25, 2015, 10:58:51 AM

Quote from: villasjf on June 25, 2015, 10:22:57 AM

Looking at the 1st team squad on the OS there is no mention of Tonev, Luna, Bennet or Helenious.

I read something about Helenius being very close to joining some Danish team, permanently.

Tonev is apparently going to join a Greek team, AOK Golden Dawn.

Although they are facing competition from the Ukrainian side Dynamo Right Sector

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 25, 2015, 01:27:43 PM

Quote from: passitsideways on June 25, 2015, 01:03:10 PM

Of the 111 goals Kevin Nolan's scored in his career according to Wiki, I'm pretty sure 80 of them have come against us.

Can't be far off with that guess.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on June 25, 2015, 01:40:10 PM

 Aston Villa have emerged as the front-runners in the race to sign Stoke City goalkeeper Asmir Begovic (http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/Stoke-City-Asmir-Begovic-wanted-Aston-Villa/story-26761710-detail/story.html)

Quote

ASTON Villa have emerged as the front-runners in the race to sign Stoke City goalkeeper Asmir Begovic, the Sentinel can reveal.

Villa's interest has been shielded until now behind Chelsea's apparent desire to sign Begovic as a replacement for Petr Cech.

But Villa boss Tim Sherwood wants Begovic as his number one and could even offer him more money than Chelsea.

Crucially, Villa will also offer him the starting place he craves – and would be denied at Chelsea because of Thibault Courtois.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Duncan Shaw on June 25, 2015, 01:46:48 PM

Quote from: KevinGage on June 25, 2015, 01:40:10 PM

Aston Villa have emerged as the front-runners in the race to sign Stoke City goalkeeper Asmir Begovic (http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/Stoke-City-Asmir-Begovic-wanted-Aston-Villa/story-26761710-detail/story.html)

Quote

ASTON Villa have emerged as the front-runners in the race to sign Stoke City goalkeeper Asmir Begovic, the Sentinel can reveal.

Villa's interest has been shielded until now behind Chelsea's apparent desire to sign Begovic as a replacement for Petr Cech.

But Villa boss Tim Sherwood wants Begovic as his number one and could even offer him more money than Chelsea.

Crucially, Villa will also offer him the starting place he craves – and would be denied at Chelsea because of Thibault Courtois.

Now I like Guzan, but this would be stunning news!!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on June 25, 2015, 01:50:29 PM

Quote from: simon ward 50 on June 25, 2015, 10:29:52 AM

Quote from: UK Redsox on June 24, 2015, 03:16:28 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on June 24, 2015, 01:04:02 PM

Leeds utd? do me a favour, what about Libor?

The question is whether Tim's interest in Libor is only short-term

Lost on most people UKR!

Thank you, I'm here all week.

However, I'm not sure that there's a big crowd out there for financial based humour

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 25, 2015, 01:52:34 PM

Begovic would be a huge step up from Guzan and I like Guzan too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 25, 2015, 01:57:32 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on June 25, 2015, 01:50:29 PM

Quote from: simon ward 50 on June 25, 2015, 10:29:52 AM

Quote from: UK Redsox on June 24, 2015, 03:16:28 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on June 24, 2015, 01:04:02 PM

Leeds utd? do me a favour, what about Libor?

The question is whether Tim's interest in Libor is only short-term

Lost on most people UKR!

Thank you, I'm here all week.

However, I'm not sure that there's a big crowd out there for financial based humour

I got it , keep the high brow humour coming !!!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 25, 2015, 01:58:32 PM

Quote from: mattjpa on June 25, 2015, 09:36:46 AM

Is it just me or does anyone else think the links to players with our club at the moment are complete horse apples and a combination of either agents using us to drum up interest or media hacks trying to fill columns/click bait?

Isn't that true for the entire market, every team and not just Aston Villa? I know we have lots of needs but it's not like the market has been awash with new player signings (Liverpool aside) and we've been sat on the sidelines watching. This is what the summer looks like, every summer. Thousands of bullshit links and only a few that ever become real. And I imagine that applies to every PL side, not just us.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aev on June 25, 2015, 02:03:55 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 25, 2015, 01:58:32 PM

Quote from: mattjpa on June 25, 2015, 09:36:46 AM

Is it just me or does anyone else think the links to players with our club at the moment are complete horse apples and a combination of either agents using us to drum up interest or media hacks trying to fill columns/click bait?

Isn't that true for the entire market, every team and not just Aston Villa? I know we have lots of needs but it's not like the market has been awash with new player signings (Liverpool aside) and we've been sat on the sidelines watching. This is what the summer looks like, every summer. Thousands of bullshit links and only a few that ever become real. And I imagine that applies to every PL side, not just us.

It certainly feels like recent transfer windows have all been the same.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 25, 2015, 02:13:30 PM

Quote from: aev on June 25, 2015, 02:03:55 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 25, 2015, 01:58:32 PM

Quote from: mattjpa on June 25, 2015, 09:36:46 AM

Is it just me or does anyone else think the links to players with our club at the moment are complete horse apples and a combination of either agents using us to drum up interest or media hacks trying to fill columns/click bait?

Isn't that true for the entire market, every team and not just Aston Villa? I know we have lots of needs but it's not like the market has been awash with new player signings (Liverpool aside) and we've been sat on the sidelines watching. This is what the summer looks like, every summer. Thousands of bullshit links and only a few that ever become real. And I imagine that applies to every PL side, not just us.

It certainly feels like recent transfer windows have all been the same.

Well Lambert's not here and we have more than 1 coach on the staff so it feels different to me.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on June 25, 2015, 02:41:20 PM

This is bizarre....re one of our ( alleged ) transfer targets. Former stripeyfilth player is the ´poker´, naturally ...Godzvilla!
Edinson Cavani sent off after 'finger in anus' row - video

http://www.theweek.co.uk/64141/edinson-cavani-sent-off-after-finger-in-anus-row-video?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 25, 2015, 02:55:11 PM

The dirty bastard. You wouldn't want him shaking your hand at the end.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 25, 2015, 04:05:46 PM

anyone who grabs Suarez's genitalia is ok in book

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on June 25, 2015, 04:53:23 PM

I'd love to get Begovic but honestly, have no idea why on Earth he'd come here. Stoke would be crazy to sell. They could probably offer him as much, if not more money than we could in wages. Right now they're a solid mid-table side and we're a shambles. I'm surprised Liverpool don't try and get him.

I still have no problems with Guzan being no 1 but it does appear that Sherwood's made up his mind on Brad. Begovic would be a very good replacement. Won't happen though. No chance.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: FrankyH on June 25, 2015, 05:12:44 PM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 25, 2015, 02:55:11 PM

The dirty bastard. You wouldn't want him shaking your hand at the end.

I bet he doesn't bite his fingernails either.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 25, 2015, 05:34:57 PM

Sherwood must have a massive transfer budget if he's prepared to spend £10m on a position that's probably the least of our problems.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: malckennedy on June 25, 2015, 05:47:14 PM

Disagree that goalkeeper is the least of ou problems, we're crying out for a keeper who knows how and when to come for a cross. Although Guzan is sometimes a good shot stopper, a really competent goalkeeper would have saved us numerous points last season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on June 25, 2015, 06:03:00 PM

Quote from: malckennedy on June 25, 2015, 05:47:14 PM

Disagree that goalkeeper is the least of ou problems, we're crying out for a keeper who knows how and when to come for a cross. Although Guzan is sometimes a good shot stopper, a really competent goalkeeper would have saved us numerous points last season.

Brad Guzan knows exactly when to come for a cross and hold on to it. He has proved that many times. So he did not have the greatest of seasons does this mean anything he did before has been filed in the rubbish bin? Looks like it as far as Tim Sherwood and a few posters on here are concerned!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: phantom limb on June 25, 2015, 06:13:15 PM

Quote from: supertom on June 25, 2015, 04:53:23 PM

I'd love to get Begovic but honestly, have no idea why on Earth he'd come here.

He wouldn't have to live in Stoke anymore.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JJ-AV on June 25, 2015, 06:53:50 PM

Begovic and N'Zonzi would be really good signings. It'd certainly bring us closer to being half-decent again.

Can't see them coming off though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 25, 2015, 07:02:28 PM

Quote from: phantom limb on June 25, 2015, 06:13:15 PM

Quote from: supertom on June 25, 2015, 04:53:23 PM

I'd love to get Begovic but honestly, have no idea why on Earth he'd come here.

He wouldn't have to live in Stoke anymore.

Very good.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Hoppo on June 25, 2015, 07:06:12 PM

It's been pretty obvious that Guzan's biggest fault is his atrocious distribution. That to me is the sole reason change is needed.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: J on June 25, 2015, 07:29:06 PM

Quote from: malckennedy on June 25, 2015, 05:47:14 PM

Disagree that goalkeeper is the least of ou problems, we're crying out for a keeper who knows how and when to come for a cross. Although Guzan is sometimes a good shot stopper, a really competent goalkeeper would have saved us numerous points last season.

In my opinion Guzan is one of the strongest keepers in the league when it comes to dealing with crosses, I'm not sure what you've been watching for the the last few years.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: warleyboy on June 25, 2015, 08:13:30 PM

Guzan will be great as a no.2

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on June 25, 2015, 08:14:08 PM

Quote from: Hoppo on June 25, 2015, 07:06:12 PM

It's been pretty obvious that Guzan's biggest fault is his atrocious distribution. That to me is the sole reason change is needed.

Surely distribution is something that the coaches could help Brad improve. Before this season I don't remember it being this bad.

However something has to be done so that Villa don't have to employ that 'centre backs to the touch lines, so that Brad can just roll the ball to them' formation. That plan just leads to everyone having to drop further back to fill in the gaps

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on June 25, 2015, 08:14:22 PM

Quote from: J on June 25, 2015, 07:29:06 PM

Quote from: malckennedy on June 25, 2015, 05:47:14 PM

Disagree that goalkeeper is the least of ou problems, we're crying out for a keeper who knows how and when to come for a cross. Although Guzan is sometimes a good shot stopper, a really competent goalkeeper would have saved us numerous points last season.

In my opinion Guzan is one of the strongest keepers in the league when it comes to dealing with crosses, I'm not sure what you've been watching for the the last few years.

Agreed, his kicking is rubbish though

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Legion on June 25, 2015, 08:15:49 PM

Guzman does not play for us.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Legion on June 25, 2015, 08:16:10 PM

Beaten to the edit!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on June 25, 2015, 08:31:03 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on June 25, 2015, 08:14:08 PM

Quote from: Hoppo on June 25, 2015, 07:06:12 PM

It's been pretty obvious that Guzan's biggest fault is his atrocious distribution. That to me is the sole reason change is needed.

Surely distribution is something that the coaches could help Brad improve. Before this season I don't remember it being this bad.

However something has to be done so that Villa don't have to employ that 'centre backs to the touch lines, so that Brad can just roll the ball to them' formation. That plan just leads to everyone having to drop further back to fill in the gaps

Although he has never been good with his distribution, it really became noticeable two seasons ago when he started demanding the ball be passed back by the defenders.  He would then take an age pushing all the players forward before kicking it.  Many times it was crying out for releasing the ball early as most times his kicking just meant the ball coming straight back.  It was almost like he was always trying to compose himself before releasing the ball or he lacks the vision of seeing the quick break.  I think one of his problems is composure.  People tended not to see his weaknesses because he was making brilliant saves at times.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: richl on June 25, 2015, 08:38:03 PM

Even petrov took the piss out of his kicking on twitter

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 25, 2015, 09:05:12 PM

100 quid donation if Begovic joins us, no chance at all of that happening.

I'd say the same for N'zonzi aswell but you never know. To me with him it's surely a question of him wanting a pay increase from some club as he plays every week for Stoke who are a top 10 club nowadays so I don't really see us being that club.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Legion on June 25, 2015, 09:06:20 PM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on June 25, 2015, 09:05:12 PM

100 quid donation if Begovic joins us, no chance at all of that happening.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OzVilla on June 25, 2015, 09:13:35 PM

Guzans distribution may be poor but its still heaps better than Bosnichs was.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: spangley1812 on June 25, 2015, 09:17:57 PM

Quote from: OzVilla on June 25, 2015, 09:13:35 PM

Guzans distribution may be poor but its still heaps better than Bosnichs was.

Game has moved on now, modern day keepers have to be able to pass, distribute the ball well with their feet and Guzan does neither

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 25, 2015, 09:37:04 PM

Quote from: Legion on June 25, 2015, 09:06:20 PM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on June 25, 2015, 09:05:12 PM

100 quid donation if Begovic joins us, no chance at all of that happening.

Haha I've now seen where this report has come from which has slightly concerned me...better get on Bet365! :D

Begovic is a top quality keeper but have a guess what the weakest part of his game is.....;)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 25, 2015, 10:09:41 PM

Quote from: OzVilla on June 25, 2015, 09:13:35 PM

Guzans distribution may be poor but its still heaps better than Bosnichs was.

True, but that was the only thing Guzan is better than Bosnich at. Let's face it he isn't fit to lace his size 15 boots.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 25, 2015, 10:17:19 PM

Don't you just love a summer scapegoat
#guzan #harsh

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 25, 2015, 10:23:21 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 25, 2015, 10:17:19 PM

Don't you just love a summer scapegoat
#guzan #harsh

Are you sure you understand the meaning of scapegoat?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 25, 2015, 10:27:33 PM

Short memories n all that. His kicking is shit but what's new there, he kept us up season before last.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 25, 2015, 10:30:01 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 25, 2015, 10:27:33 PM

Short memories n all that. His kicking is shit but what's new there, he kept us up season before last.

He looked pretty iffy to me for much of last season. It doesn't really matter what he did the season before last if he then follows it with a season of looking dodgy.

He lost his place to Given, which says all you need to know, really. It certainly makes it clear what Sherwood thinks, so I suppose we'll be after a new keeper.

I would agree with those who suggest that keeper shouldn't be our number one priority, mind. I think we've got so many number one priorities, I'm not sure which is the real one.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 25, 2015, 10:30:14 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 25, 2015, 10:23:21 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 25, 2015, 10:17:19 PM

Don't you just love a summer scapegoat
#guzan #harsh

Are you sure you understand the meaning of scapegoat?

Or the point of a hashtag.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 25, 2015, 10:32:10 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 25, 2015, 10:30:01 PM

He lost his place to Given, which says all you need to know, really.

It could mean as little as our manager just has shit taste in goalkeepers.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 25, 2015, 10:34:30 PM

Exactly keeper isn't priority. Shore up the bloody defence and Guzan will be ok. For now.
He got dropped after his first major gaffe (ci£y away) .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 25, 2015, 10:35:30 PM

Quote from: OzVilla on June 25, 2015, 09:13:35 PM

Guzans distribution may be poor but its still heaps better than Bosnichs was.

Bosnich's biggest problem was that he could barely get the ball to the half way line. As much as I like Guzan, his gaff at Man City was inexcusable. He deserved to be dropped after that game but as a kick in the backside to step up to what he's shown he's capable of in the past, not to be thrown out with the garbage.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 25, 2015, 10:36:21 PM

Quote from: Dave on June 25, 2015, 10:32:10 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 25, 2015, 10:30:01 PM

He lost his place to Given, which says all you need to know, really.

It could mean as little as our manager just has shit taste in goalkeepers.

Although when he did get dropped, it raised the eyebrows of almost nobody.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 25, 2015, 10:41:24 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 25, 2015, 10:36:21 PM

Quote from: Dave on June 25, 2015, 10:32:10 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 25, 2015, 10:30:01 PM

He lost his place to Given, which says all you need to know, really.

It could mean as little as our manager just has shit taste in goalkeepers.

Although when he did get dropped, it raised the eyebrows of almost nobody.

Mind you it happened right after he dropped an almighty bollock at Man City. So the timing couldn't have been any more perfect if he was going to get dropped.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 25, 2015, 10:41:46 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 25, 2015, 10:36:21 PM

Quote from: Dave on June 25, 2015, 10:32:10 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 25, 2015, 10:30:01 PM

He lost his place to Given, which says all you need to know, really.

It could mean as little as our manager just has shit taste in goalkeepers.

Although when he did get dropped, it raised the eyebrows of almost nobody.

I disagree with that.

There was a 400+ post thread on here at the end of April where about half the posts were people saying that Guzan shouldn't be dropped. That's a whole heap of raised eyebrows.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 25, 2015, 10:43:52 PM

I still think the defence goes to pot with Given behind them, Guzan is a much more calming influence. I think Begovic is an outstanding keeper though, and a good upgrade, but for £10 million surely a left back and central midfielder are bigger priorities at the moment.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 25, 2015, 10:45:04 PM

Quote from: Dave on June 25, 2015, 10:41:46 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 25, 2015, 10:36:21 PM

Quote from: Dave on June 25, 2015, 10:32:10 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 25, 2015, 10:30:01 PM

He lost his place to Given, which says all you need to know, really.

It could mean as little as our manager just has shit taste in goalkeepers.

Although when he did get dropped, it raised the eyebrows of almost nobody.

I disagree with that.

There was a 400+ post thread on here at the end of April where about half the posts were people saying that Guzan shouldn't be dropped. That's a whole heap of raised eyebrows.

Agreed, although I think many of those were more due to the concerns of Given, not the merits of dropping Guzan.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 25, 2015, 10:46:26 PM

I believe Guzan got dropped as sherwood was new into the role and had to exert his authority nice and early. A message. You drop a major bollock, you lose your place. If he'd done nothing it's carte Blanche.
The irony is , the other goals were defensive howlers yet those guys - vlaar etc got away scot free .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 25, 2015, 10:48:01 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 25, 2015, 10:46:26 PM

I believe Guzan got dropped as sherwood was new into the role and had to exert his authority nice and early. A message. You drop a major bollock, you lose your place. If he'd done nothing it's carte Blanche.
The irony is , the other goals were defensive howlers yet those guys - vlaar etc got away scot free .

You do realise you've contradicted yourself twice there don't you?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 25, 2015, 10:49:11 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 25, 2015, 10:48:01 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 25, 2015, 10:46:26 PM

I believe Guzan got dropped as sherwood was new into the role and had to exert his authority nice and early. A message. You drop a major bollock, you lose your place. If he'd done nothing it's carte Blanche.
The irony is , the other goals were defensive howlers yet those guys - vlaar etc got away scot free .

You do realise you've contradicted yourself twice there don't you?

Quite possibly but you get the gist.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 25, 2015, 10:51:18 PM

Hang on a second. SilhillVilla is being the most positive about one of our players?

Alright. What's going on?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 25, 2015, 10:52:19 PM

The truth of the matter is that, if we are going to move the club forward, regardless of prioritizing, Brad isn't good enough for where we want to go. A useful back up but not a top class keeper in my humble opinion. Neither is Given.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 25, 2015, 10:56:22 PM

Quote from: Newby on June 25, 2015, 10:52:19 PM

The truth of the matter is that, if we are going to move the club forward, regardless of prioritizing, Brad isn't good enough for where we want to go. A useful back up but not a top class keeper in my humble opinion. Neither is Given.

Harsh but true. Goes for a number of our players unfortunately. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 25, 2015, 10:57:51 PM

Quote from: Newby on June 25, 2015, 10:52:19 PM

The truth of the matter is that, if we are going to move the club forward, regardless of prioritizing, Brad isn't good enough for where we want to go. A useful back up but not a top class keeper in my humble opinion. Neither is Given.

But is the keeper a priority ? I'd say no. We need desperately a proper left back, a top level DCM and a top level creative midfielder and some quality back up for Benteke and arguably a winger .
Replacing Guzan isn't top of the list.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 25, 2015, 10:58:45 PM

Quote from: Newby on June 25, 2015, 10:52:19 PM

The truth of the matter is that, if we are going to move the club forward, regardless of prioritizing, Brad isn't good enough for where we want to go. A useful back up but not a top class keeper in my humble opinion. Neither is Given.

"Where we want to go"? Yes, he's probably not going to be good enough for our eventual charge towards the top four and the Champions League. But nor are at least nine and probably ten of our first team.

For a comfortable 8-12th place finish he's just fine.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 25, 2015, 11:01:32 PM

I didn't think Guzan was as good last season as he was the previous ones. I still think he's a very decent keeper though although a break from the team may have done him good.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Risso on June 25, 2015, 11:02:15 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 25, 2015, 10:43:52 PM

I still think the defence goes to pot with Given behind them, Guzan is a much more calming influence. I think Begovic is an outstanding keeper though, and a good upgrade, but for £10 million surely a left back and central midfielder are bigger priorities at the moment.

I honestly don't think it makes a lot of difference.  One thing our defence has never been in the last 4 years has been calm.  At the heart of your team building, you need a great keeper and centre back combination, and we just haven't had that for too long.  Neither Guzan or Given are good enough, and none of our central defenders have been anything like reliable enough, in terms of form and fitness.  I therefore think a new keeper IS a priority.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 25, 2015, 11:07:58 PM

Quote from: Newby on June 25, 2015, 10:52:19 PM

The truth of the matter is that, if we are going to move the club forward, regardless of prioritizing, Brad isn't good enough for where we want to go. A useful back up but not a top class keeper in my humble opinion. Neither is Given.

We finished 17th. There's a fair bit of work (years) to do before we can think about 'getting to where we want to get to'.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 25, 2015, 11:13:39 PM

Vlaar has been the issue defensively . He's either been injured or below par. He lost his captains spot deservedly and has been a real let down for 3 years .
This club has a heritage of top class central defenders and we need to reset this.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on June 25, 2015, 11:15:31 PM

Guzan is more than adequate for mid table in this league. Begovic is better than him, but £10m better? No chance. I think you also have to question why Stoke seem happy replacing him with Butland.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 25, 2015, 11:16:45 PM

We did look better when the defensive core was Guzan-Okore-Clark. Okore often looked a little nervous early on but will be better for the experience.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 25, 2015, 11:18:23 PM

Given needs Moving on if possible . He's only going one way now .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 25, 2015, 11:22:29 PM

Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on June 25, 2015, 11:15:31 PM

Guzan is more than adequate for mid table in this league. Begovic is better than him, but £10m better? No chance. I think you also have to question why Stoke seem happy replacing him with Butland.

I don't think they do.

He's got 12 months left, not signing a new contract so they might as well bring through a new young keeper just like they did with Begovic before him.

It's not a case of happy, it's a case of making do with the situation that they've been handed.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 25, 2015, 11:28:11 PM

Bakary Sakho on a free what do we think ?? Looks likely

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Louzie0 on June 25, 2015, 11:32:29 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 25, 2015, 11:28:11 PM

Bakary Sakho on a free what do we think ?? Looks likely

In goal, maybe not, ( following the latest debate) but otherwise I think, why not.
Unless Tim has other plans for midfield.

Back to page 1 of this thread, though, full circle!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 25, 2015, 11:58:00 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 25, 2015, 10:30:01 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 25, 2015, 10:27:33 PM

Short memories n all that. His kicking is shit but what's new there, he kept us up season before last.

I think we've got so many number one priorities, I'm not sure which is the real one.

Amen to this brother. I change my mind around 3 times a day.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 26, 2015, 12:04:59 AM

Sakho looks a bit of a 1 in 4 player. Better than NZogbia and very direct though, so welcome option for decent wages.

Is it worth selling Benteke for 25m to get Austin and Begovic? Would we be better off?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 26, 2015, 05:20:49 AM

would either come?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: warleyboy on June 26, 2015, 05:54:48 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 26, 2015, 12:04:59 AM

Sakho looks a bit of a 1 in 4 player. Better than NZogbia and very direct though, so welcome option for decent wages.

Is it worth selling Benteke for 25m to get Austin and Begovic? Would we be better off?

Absolutely yes to this if,

1. They would both want to come
2. Tekkers goes abroad to play
3. There is going to be no money in pot pre season

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 26, 2015, 07:14:58 AM

I see Tyrone mings is joining Bournemouth for £8m. Not that I know this player in particular, but that's pretty depressing. I couldn't see us doing that, at the moment at least.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 26, 2015, 07:25:03 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 26, 2015, 12:04:59 AM

Sakho looks a bit of a 1 in 4 player. Better than NZogbia and very direct though, so welcome option for decent wages.

Is it worth selling Benteke for 25m to get Austin and Begovic? Would we be better off?

No. The new television deal means we should be looking to invest more than we receive, not just break even.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdward on June 26, 2015, 07:30:45 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on June 26, 2015, 07:14:58 AM

I see Tyrone mings is joining Bournemouth for £8m. Not that I know this player in particular, but that's pretty depressing. I couldn't see us doing that, at the moment at least.

He seems like a decent bloke, but £8m? Don't be fooled by the price tag, remember when we signed Curtis Davies, that's why we wouldn't be doing that.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 26, 2015, 07:33:40 AM

Quote from: cdward on June 26, 2015, 07:30:45 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on June 26, 2015, 07:14:58 AM

I see Tyrone mings is joining Bournemouth for £8m. Not that I know this player in particular, but that's pretty depressing. I couldn't see us doing that, at the moment at least.

He seems like a decent bloke, but £8m? Don't be fooled by the price tag, remember when we signed Curtis Davies, that's why we wouldn't be doing that.

I understand the point Matt is making but £8m for an unproven championship full back is madness.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 26, 2015, 08:56:58 AM

I wouldn't mind us spending £8 million on a lower league player as we did with Delph, when we're safely ensconced in the top six, with lots of top quality players in and around him or indeed, in front of him in the pecking order.

When you're fighting relegation, as Bournemouth will be doing, its a big risk to bring that type of player in.

The risk can cut both ways of course.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: richard moore on June 26, 2015, 09:40:42 AM

Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 25, 2015, 11:58:00 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 25, 2015, 10:30:01 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 25, 2015, 10:27:33 PM

Short memories n all that. His kicking is shit but what's new there, he kept us up season before last.

I think we've got so many number one priorities, I'm not sure which is the real one.

Amen to this brother. I change my mind around 3 times a day.

I would argue that you can only ever have one priority! Mind you, I agree completely...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ryu on June 26, 2015, 09:58:27 AM

Is there new news on Sako that I've missed?

If we sign him I shall be calling him Bak Sak.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aev on June 26, 2015, 10:05:25 AM

Evening Standard reckon Sherwood is making eyes at Adebayor.

I really do hope this is very lazy journalism.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 26, 2015, 10:30:48 AM

Quote from: aev on June 26, 2015, 10:05:25 AM

Evening Standard reckon Sherwood is making eyes at Adebayor.

I really do hope this is very lazy journalism.

Yeah, Tom Carroll too. Oh dear!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 26, 2015, 11:04:52 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on June 26, 2015, 07:14:58 AM

I see Tyrone mings is joining Bournemouth for £8m. Not that I know this player in particular, but that's pretty depressing. I couldn't see us doing that, at the moment at least.

Micah Richards is better than Mings.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 26, 2015, 11:06:51 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 26, 2015, 12:04:59 AM

Sakho looks a bit of a 1 in 4 player. Better than NZogbia and very direct though, so welcome option for decent wages.

Is it worth selling Benteke for 25m to get Austin and Begovic? Would we be better off?

Begovic is a bit better than Guzan, Benteke is a fair bit better than Austin. I think it would be a bad deal.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 26, 2015, 11:08:03 AM

Reports are now that we have actually made a bid for Begovic. Now you can argue all day about our priorities but he is a step up from what we have. It appears given the majority of the early player links that Sherwood has identified the defence as being a major part of our problems. Adding Begovic and Richards and losing Guzan and Vlaar is a step in the right direction overall. We desperately need a solid starting LB and then look to the midfield and forwards.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 26, 2015, 11:11:25 AM

A solid left back would be nice.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on June 26, 2015, 11:15:10 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 26, 2015, 11:11:25 AM

A solid left back would be nice.

Sticking a flag in the ground on the left corner of the penalty area would probably be an upgrade right now.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 26, 2015, 11:30:39 AM

Too true.

Anyone else had enough of the Liverpool method of squealing like piggies when people undervalue their players and then offering under the stated price for ours?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ryu on June 26, 2015, 11:35:04 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 26, 2015, 11:30:39 AM

Too true.

Anyone else had enough of the Liverpool method of squealing like piggies when people undervalue their players and then offering under the stated price for ours?

Yep.  Least likable club in the country, for me, local rivalries aside.

If we're even actively trying to sign Begovic it shows that feted trait 'ambition', which is nice.  Ditto with the apparent bid for Amavi, even if it doesn't come off.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: rob_bridge on June 26, 2015, 11:35:37 AM

I see Altidore is back in the goals at Toronto FC

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ryu on June 26, 2015, 11:36:35 AM

Quote from: rob_bridge on June 26, 2015, 11:35:37 AM

I see Altidore is back in the goals at Toronto FC

Wasn't Danny Dicchio there star striker a few years ago?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on June 26, 2015, 11:40:16 AM

Quote from: rob_bridge on June 26, 2015, 11:35:37 AM

I see Altidore is back in the goals at Toronto FC

Uh oh....

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on June 26, 2015, 11:42:56 AM

Quote from: Ryu on June 26, 2015, 11:35:04 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 26, 2015, 11:30:39 AM

Too true.

Anyone else had enough of the Liverpool method of squealing like piggies when people undervalue their players and then offering under the stated price for ours?

Yep.  Least likable club in the country, for me, local rivalries aside.

If we're even actively trying to sign Begovic it shows that feted trait 'ambition', which is nice.  Ditto with the apparent bid for Amavi, even if it doesn't come off.

Local rivalries included. They are on a par with ISIS in my list of deplorable organisations.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ryu on June 26, 2015, 11:45:22 AM

Quote from: mattjpa on June 26, 2015, 11:42:56 AM

Quote from: Ryu on June 26, 2015, 11:35:04 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 26, 2015, 11:30:39 AM

Too true.

Anyone else had enough of the Liverpool method of squealing like piggies when people undervalue their players and then offering under the stated price for ours?

Yep.  Least likable club in the country, for me, local rivalries aside.

If we're even actively trying to sign Begovic it shows that feted trait 'ambition', which is nice.  Ditto with the apparent bid for Amavi, even if it doesn't come off.

Local rivalries included. They are on a par with ISIS in my list of deplorable organisations.

If Jihadi John was a Liverpool fan the team would have worn T-shirts proclaiming his innocence.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 26, 2015, 11:58:54 AM

bad taste. This stuff is serious and impairing endangering and ending the lives of people everyday. let's leave extremism out of football. Rant over.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 26, 2015, 12:03:07 PM

What about Jose Enrique left back on loan as he's out of contract 2016
Also re sagna Kenny jacket said prem club is destination . Was reported he signed ages ago in daily mirror by john cross I think that's a done deal. Wba were also suitors but backry respects fans and coming to villa is a major step up and everyone knows it!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: rob_bridge on June 26, 2015, 12:06:06 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 26, 2015, 12:03:07 PM

What about Jose Enrique left back on loan as he's out of contract 2016
Also re sagna Kenny jacket said prem club is destination . Was reported he signed ages ago in daily mirror by john cross I think that's a done deal. Wba were also suitors but backry respects fans and coming to villa is a major step up and everyone knows it!

Thanks for that.

And Altidore?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 26, 2015, 12:07:10 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 26, 2015, 11:58:54 AM

bad taste. This stuff is serious and impairing endangering and ending the lives of people everyday. let's leave extremism out of football. Rant over.

Seconded

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: glasses on June 26, 2015, 12:07:33 PM

£30m and Jose Enrique would be acceptable. Struggled with injuries but an upgrade on our current Left Backs for sure. At the time the scouse bought him there weren't many better Left Backs than him in the league

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on June 26, 2015, 12:28:07 PM

Interesting comment regarding our pursuit of Andros Townsend in the Sun today "Sherwood has known winger Townsend since he was eight but will have to play handball with chairman Daniel Levy to get his no.1 target"

I'm sure Channel 5 or Eurosport will be all over this, good luck Tim and don't forget your resin.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Gregorys Boy on June 26, 2015, 12:29:01 PM

If there are any truth to this talk then it would be a bad deal for us.  Spurs are banking on us being desparate for a replacement.  He would go to them I think because they are a top six side and he is unlikely to get much better offers. But I would take a lot of money off Spurs and then use that on a replacement.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 26, 2015, 12:43:11 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 26, 2015, 11:58:54 AM

bad taste. This stuff is serious and impairing endangering and ending the lives of people everyday. let's leave extremism out of football. Rant over.

I thought it was funny.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: exigo on June 26, 2015, 01:05:41 PM

Quote from: Ryu on June 26, 2015, 09:58:27 AM

Is there new news on Sako that I've missed?

If we sign him I shall be calling him Bak Sak.

Nothing definite yet. So far, it's just Bak Sak craic.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 26, 2015, 01:11:48 PM

At least there's been no Karl Henry links this summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: rob_bridge on June 26, 2015, 01:33:21 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 26, 2015, 01:11:48 PM

At least there's been no Karl Henry links this summer.

Only a matter of time before we get a Carlton Palmer link

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Lobsterboy on June 26, 2015, 01:35:54 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 26, 2015, 01:11:48 PM

At least there's been no Karl Henry links this summer.

Yet!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ryu on June 26, 2015, 01:54:06 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 26, 2015, 12:43:11 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 26, 2015, 11:58:54 AM

bad taste. This stuff is serious and impairing endangering and ending the lives of people everyday. let's leave extremism out of football. Rant over.

I thought it was funny.

Sorry!  I can see why offence was caused, although I thought the original comment was more in the sort of deliberately over the top 'worse than Hitler' vein.

If the rule is never mention any individual who's commited evil deeds then I'm willing to follow it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ryu on June 26, 2015, 01:55:08 PM

Quote from: exigo on June 26, 2015, 01:05:41 PM

Quote from: Ryu on June 26, 2015, 09:58:27 AM

Is there new news on Sako that I've missed?

If we sign him I shall be calling him Bak Sak.

Nothing definite yet. So far, it's just Bak Sak craic.

Ha!  I wanted to get that joke in there somehow but couldn't manage it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 26, 2015, 02:00:53 PM

Quote from: Ryu on June 26, 2015, 01:54:06 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 26, 2015, 12:43:11 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 26, 2015, 11:58:54 AM

bad taste. This stuff is serious and impairing endangering and ending the lives of people everyday. let's leave extremism out of football. Rant over.

I thought it was funny.

Sorry!  I can see why offence was caused, although I thought the original comment was more in the sort of deliberately over the top 'worse than Hitler' vein.

If the rule is never mention any individual who's commited evil deeds then I'm willing to follow it.

I also thought it was funny. Now sanitise your hands.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris Smith on June 26, 2015, 02:05:20 PM

Quote from: Ryu on June 26, 2015, 01:54:06 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 26, 2015, 12:43:11 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 26, 2015, 11:58:54 AM

bad taste. This stuff is serious and impairing endangering and ending the lives of people everyday. let's leave extremism out of football. Rant over.

I thought it was funny.

Sorry!  I can see why offence was caused, although I thought the original comment was more in the sort of deliberately over the top 'worse than Hitler' vein.

If the rule is never mention any individual who's commited evil deeds then I'm willing to follow it.

Although that would mean deleting the entire Small Heath and Plucky Neighbours threads.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ryu on June 26, 2015, 02:07:59 PM

Quote from: Chris Smith on June 26, 2015, 02:05:20 PM

Quote from: Ryu on June 26, 2015, 01:54:06 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 26, 2015, 12:43:11 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 26, 2015, 11:58:54 AM

bad taste. This stuff is serious and impairing endangering and ending the lives of people everyday. let's leave extremism out of football. Rant over.

I thought it was funny.

Sorry!  I can see why offence was caused, although I thought the original comment was more in the sort of deliberately over the top 'worse than Hitler' vein.

If the rule is never mention any individual who's commited evil deeds then I'm willing to follow it.

Although that would mean deleting the entire Small Heath and Plucky Neighbours threads.

Ba doosh

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 26, 2015, 02:12:47 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 26, 2015, 11:08:03 AM

Reports are now that we have actually made a bid for Begovic. Now you can argue all day about our priorities but he is a step up from what we have. It appears given the majority of the early player links that Sherwood has identified the defence as being a major part of our problems. Adding Begovic and Richards and losing Guzan and Vlaar is a step in the right direction overall. We desperately need a solid starting LB and then look to the midfield and forwards.

Reports where? I'd be delighted if we signed Begovic. I like Brad and he's been good for us, but I think Begovic is a better keeper all round.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 26, 2015, 02:20:31 PM

Sky Sports say we've bid... and it's been rejected.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11701/9895568/aston-villas-bid-for-asmir-begovic-turned-down-by-stoke

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 26, 2015, 02:22:02 PM

Well hopefully we'll go back with a bigger bid.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 26, 2015, 02:25:37 PM

I'd rather have Butland for twelve months to see how Brad goes.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 26, 2015, 02:40:37 PM

I just get the feeling that Sherwood has made his mind up on Guzan and isn't going to change it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: rob_bridge on June 26, 2015, 02:43:54 PM

Quote from: Bren'd on June 26, 2015, 02:40:37 PM

I just get the feeling that Sherwood has made his mind up on Guzan and isn't going to change it.

I think it is madness. We have at least seven other positions of priority. Guzan is a fine keeper, who experienced a wobble.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 26, 2015, 02:44:44 PM

Quote from: Bren'd on June 26, 2015, 02:40:37 PM

I just get the feeling that Sherwood has made his mind up on Guzan and isn't going to change it.

Which is fair enough.
He needs to build his own team and live or die by it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 26, 2015, 02:48:12 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 26, 2015, 02:20:31 PM

Sky Sports say we've bid... and it's been rejected.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11701/9895568/aston-villas-bid-for-asmir-begovic-turned-down-by-stoke


Bloody Sky Sports sources drive me mad , they are so busy !!!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KevinEaton on June 26, 2015, 03:10:20 PM

Last seasons Premier League goalkeepers. Where would you rate Brad?

Thibaut Courtois
Joe Hart
David Ospina
David DeGea
Hugo Lloris
Simon Mignolet
Fraser Forster
Lukasz Fabianski
Asmir Begovic
Julian Speroni
Tim Howard
Adrian
Ben Foster
Kasper Schmeichal
Tom Krul
Costel Pantilmon
Brad Guzan
Allan McGregor
Tom Heaton
Robert Green

For me, he's about where we finished as a team and thats 17th. That says to me, we can do better.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on June 26, 2015, 03:19:19 PM

Quote from: KevinEaton on June 26, 2015, 03:10:20 PM

Last seasons Premier League goalkeepers. Where would you rate Brad?

Thibaut Courtois
Joe Hart
David Ospina
David DeGea
Hugo Lloris
Simon Mignolet
Fraser Forster
Lukasz Fabianski
Asmir Begovic
Julian Speroni
Tim Howard
Adrian
Ben Foster
Kasper Schmeichal
Tom Krul
Costel Pantilmon
Brad Guzan
Allan McGregor
Tom Heaton
Robert Green

For me, he's about where we finished as a team and thats 17th. That says to me, we can do better.

At his best I'd rank him top half comfortably.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 26, 2015, 03:28:08 PM

Quote from: KevinEaton on June 26, 2015, 03:10:20 PM

Last seasons Premier League goalkeepers. Where would you rate Brad?

Thibaut Courtois
Joe Hart
David Ospina
David DeGea
Hugo Lloris
Simon Mignolet
Fraser Forster
Lukasz Fabianski
Asmir Begovic
Julian Speroni
Tim Howard
Adrian
Ben Foster
Kasper Schmeichal
Tom Krul
Costel Pantilmon
Brad Guzan
Allan McGregor
Tom Heaton
Robert Green

For me, he's about where we finished as a team and thats 17th. That says to me, we can do better.

I'd take him over Mignolet, Speroni, Green, Heaton, McGregor, Pantilimon, Schmeichel, Foster and Howard.

Fabianski and Adrian are probably a flip of a coin.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 26, 2015, 03:42:11 PM

About the same. And Begovic no more than maybe 3 higher.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: rob_bridge on June 26, 2015, 03:52:08 PM

Thibaut Courtois
Joe Hart
David Ospina
David DeGea
Hugo Lloris
Simon Mignolet
Fraser Forster
Lukasz Fabianski
Asmir Begovic
Julian Speroni
Tim Howard
Adrian
Ben Foster
Kasper Schmeichal
Tom Krul
Costel Pantilmon
Brad Guzan
Allan McGregor
Tom Heaton
Robert Green

===

Courtois, DeGea and Lloris are best 3 for me.

I'd say Guzan is better than the following:


Simon Mignolet
Lukasz Fabianski
Julian Speroni
Tim Howard
Adrian
Ben Foster
Kasper Schmeichal
Costel Pantilmon
Allan McGregor
Tom Heaton
Robert Green

and roughly equal with the remainder

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt C on June 26, 2015, 04:49:38 PM

Guzan hasn't done much wrong. However, there's an undeniable stench of failure around Villa Park that needs clearing out and the likes of Guzan, while hardly to blame personally, have been so engrained in the culture of failure around the place in recent years - namely they've become a bit too used to playing in a losing Villa side - it may be we need to move a few such players on for their good and ours. For similar reasons I don't think it will be a bad thing in the long term if Vlaar moves on too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on June 26, 2015, 05:08:48 PM

Outside of De Gea, Courtois, Cech (I know he's on the bench but still) and maybe Lloris and Hart there's little to pick between the rest in the league.  All of them (even the ones above) make mistakes which usually lead to goals and all of them are capable of having days where they look superb.  The real difference isn't in the mistakes, it's in the number of days where they're brilliant, de Gea sums it up superbly, if he doesn't do something stupid in a game he is generally excellent, someone like Guzan or Begovic in that situation and he's generally decent and occasionally excellent.

Begovic is probably a small upgrade but it's not a big difference for me.

All that said like Matt C above, if TS feels this is the right move to make this 'his squad' and change the dressing room then I'm ok with it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 26, 2015, 05:30:22 PM

Based solely on last season's performances he's not been better than a lot of the keepers and because of that I have no issue with this.

Personally I disagree that it is only a slight upgrade, i think he's the best outside of the top 5. However Butland has kept him out so what the f**k do I know? What has gone there actually?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on June 26, 2015, 05:40:00 PM

Was Guzan last season a victim of an ever-changing back four?

I cannot understand why TS would want to spunk several £m on a new keeper without having the plan and funding to improve the defensive options.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Hoppo on June 26, 2015, 05:44:20 PM

How do you know he isn't planning on changes? We have one already in place. The deal for Begovic would be a massive boost.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on June 26, 2015, 05:50:23 PM

Quote from: Hoppo on June 26, 2015, 05:44:20 PM

How do you know he isn't planning on changes? We have one already in place. The deal for Begovic would be a massive boost.

i don't know, Hoppo. I was simply implying that until we know the full picture it's difficult to understand the logic of focussing on an area of the squad that does not - on the face of it - require immediate attention.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Hoppo on June 26, 2015, 05:53:56 PM

I would hope none of us know everything.. hopefully Timothy does though..

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on June 26, 2015, 05:57:55 PM

Every player has a dip in form from time to time
On form Guzan is better than Begovic so it's no improvement for me

Ultimately I can't see him coming anyway, so Sherwood has a goalkeeper who knows he isn't wanted as his first choice, he might have to go out and bring another goalkeeper in who isn't anywhere near Guzans class

Just remember without Guzan at times over the last few seasons we might well be playing championship football,

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 26, 2015, 06:17:32 PM

Quote from: john e on June 26, 2015, 05:57:55 PM

Every player has a dip in form from time to time
On form Guzan is better than Begovic so it's no improvement for me

Ultimately I can't see him coming anyway, so Sherwood has a goalkeeper who knows he isn't wanted as his first choice, he might have to go out and bring another goalkeeper in who isn't anywhere near Guzans class

Just remember without Guzan at times over the last few seasons we might well be playing championship football,

Agree with the last paragraph. He was superb when he first dislodged Given. Now all of a sudden he's not good enough.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 26, 2015, 06:25:15 PM

Would anyone take a punt on Michu for £3-4m ? He can play behind the forwards, adds goals and creativity.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eamonn on June 26, 2015, 06:26:14 PM

Yeah but is he fit or is he fat (I'm not gay or 'owt) these days?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 26, 2015, 07:01:59 PM

I read Sakho wanted £50,000 a week plus big signing on. Perhaps of the interested parties Newcastle would provide that. Villa wba Leicester and stoke the teams touted around midlands baulked at such. The bac wants to play premier league so be interesting if he takes a local team or heads up to the French fancies at Newcastle. Though of course McLaren is up there now and is familiar with his play in championship

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on June 26, 2015, 07:06:30 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on June 26, 2015, 06:25:15 PM

Would anyone take a punt on Michu for £3-4m ? He can play behind the forwards, adds goals and creativity.

I would
But then I've always been a gambler

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 26, 2015, 07:22:48 PM

I dunno. Depends what his attitude's like.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: CT Villan on June 26, 2015, 07:56:59 PM

Why would Begovic be replacing Guzan ?

I would have thought it better to replace Given, and have Asmir and Brad fight for the shirt.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on June 26, 2015, 07:58:33 PM

Aston Villa comment - don't panic, the signings are on their way!....., allegedly !..................Godzvilla !

Aston Villa writer Gregg Evans looks at the summer window and the overhauling job Tim Sherwood is currently working on
July is fast approaching and Aston Villa have a grand total of one new signing.
Hardly much to whet the appetite for the 2015/16 season is it?
Supporters are rightfully frustrated at the lack of transfer activity and I don’t expect Tim Sherwood will be licking his lips with excitement right now either.
The claret and blue transformation that we all hoped would be in full flow right now has yet to receive lift-off.
Villa have missed out on a number of players and others are slipping through their grasp
BUT, panic not. The reinforcements will eventually arrive as the recruitment drive continues.
Don’t be fooled into thinking that Villa aren’t active just because they’re lagging behind others in their rebuilding process.
It’s actually shaping up to be one of the busiest summers in the Randy Lerner era and the club are confident they can top up the areas that need most attention.
They key this summer is minimising the mistakes from previous years.
Bad managerial appointments have in turn led to a costly surplus of unwanted players but Villa’s talent spotters believe in their ability to make better decisions now.
Rather than rushing into expensive deals and paying over the odds, a more thorough and composed approach has been taken.
Already the club has cashed in on the sales of Andreas Weimann, Matt Lowton and Yacouba Sylla and they’re likely to offload others.
Aston Villa have sold Yacouba Sylla, Andi Weimann and Matt Lowton
Sherwood and director of recruitment Paddy Reilly are assessing targets closely with CEO Tom Fox and Micah Richards’ arrival, although the only one so far, is a decent base to build on.
That Richards is now one of the club’s highest players is a good sign, too.
It means that Villa are relaxing their wage structure to entice higher quality players.
A huge amount of options have been checked out and the players you see Villa linked with in the papers on an almost daily basis are just a small section of a much bigger picture.
Yes, Sherwood has endured some frustrating moments as he’s watched targets move elsewhere and no, there won’t be huge amounts of money for record-breaking signings.
But there is hope for the future.
Hope that a couple more quality additions will lift this consistently relegation-threatened side.
Hope that Sherwood can work his magic and transform an under-performing bunch into a thriving new unit.
And hope that with the right ingredients, the Bodymoor Heath Academy can start churning out regular first-team stars in future years.
Villa couldn’t plan for next season until May 16 - the day they finally secured their Premier League status.
That left them playing catch-up and it’s only in recent weeks that Sherwood has been able to fully focus on 15/16 after the heartbreaking FA Cup Final collapse.
The manager arrived in the Midlands at a difficult time.
Villa Park
He was asked to keep Villa in the top-flight, sift through the up-and-coming talent and then make quick decisions about whether they have a future at the club.
Working side-by-side with the data analysts there is now a detailed plan in place to develop the youngsters.
Some potential stars of the future will need a spell out on loan, others will benefit from training with the first-team at Bodymoor Heath.
What’s certain is that we’ll see a number of the top youth-team performers a lot closer to the Premier League match-day 18 next season.

Clearly there needs to be immediate first-team additions and next month the market will start to liven up.
Barring the movements at Liverpool, it’s been a relatively low-key summer throughout the rest of the top-flight so far.
Anxiety will inevitably creep in when progression is slow but Villa, like many others, are working tirelessly to improve.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 26, 2015, 08:19:50 PM

According to that meaning evil article, Tish is frustrated that some of his targets have gone elsewhere, yet the market has barely got going? Which is it Mr Gregg Evans? A more thorough approach has been taken? Yet Tish is frustrated. Crap, column filling shite.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 26, 2015, 08:22:49 PM

Tish?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Legion on June 26, 2015, 08:26:54 PM

Ba-Dum!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 26, 2015, 08:27:55 PM

Quote from: CT Villan on June 26, 2015, 07:56:59 PM

Why would Begovic be replacing Guzan ?

I would have thought it better to replace Given, and have Asmir and Brad fight for the shirt.

Couldn't see Guzan wanting to stay as a number two.  It would be more likely that Given would see out the last year of his contract as back up and then replace him next summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Legion on June 26, 2015, 08:30:17 PM

There is still Jed Steer to consider.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 26, 2015, 08:49:16 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 26, 2015, 08:22:49 PM

Tish?

Ti(m) Sh(erwood) 😁

James Nursey apparently has something interesting to say according to Twitter. Anyone got any clues?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on June 26, 2015, 09:14:28 PM

He had pickled herrings for his tea.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 26, 2015, 09:54:57 PM

Quote from: Newby on June 26, 2015, 08:49:16 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 26, 2015, 08:22:49 PM

Tish?

Ti(m) Sh(erwood) 😁

James Nursey apparently has something interesting to say according to Twitter. Anyone got any clues?

See delph thread

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 26, 2015, 11:05:47 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 26, 2015, 08:22:49 PM

Tish?

Wasn't she the ex Mrs Shilton ?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on June 27, 2015, 08:04:32 AM

James nursey is a bellend

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: claret and blue blood on June 27, 2015, 08:19:32 AM

Any positive news,it's getting a bit depressing!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 27, 2015, 08:44:30 AM

well Christmas is only 180 days away.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on June 27, 2015, 09:12:28 AM

It appears we may have offerred around 4mil for Begovic. I would have offered that for Butland!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 27, 2015, 09:14:00 AM

Quote from: claret and blue blood on June 27, 2015, 08:19:32 AM

Any positive news,it's getting a bit depressing!

Ray Wilkins , adebayour, Tom Carroll , what's not to like
Stay on your feet .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 27, 2015, 09:30:27 AM

Takeover could be done in a fortnight and then hopefully we'll at least know what we're doing

If we did have to replace delph and cleverley with only £10m coming in we'll be in a lot of trouble unless any new owners are putting cash in

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 27, 2015, 09:32:21 AM

New owners will throw £50-70m at sherwood to spend I reckon.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 27, 2015, 09:33:39 AM

If Moses is going to spurs then Townsend definitely be surplus

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 27, 2015, 09:36:57 AM

Quote from: claret and blue blood on June 27, 2015, 08:19:32 AM

Any positive news,it's getting a bit depressing!

It's only depressing if you choose to believe it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 27, 2015, 10:13:32 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 27, 2015, 09:14:00 AM

Quote from: claret and blue blood on June 27, 2015, 08:19:32 AM

Any positive news,it's getting a bit depressing!

Ray Wilkins , adebayour, Tom Carroll , what's not to like
Stay on your feet .

Ray Wilkins could get Didier In and maybe frank on mls loan. Wilkins good with thhe. Connections so my Didier dream cud happen. Imagine. Drogba and benteke up front!!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tugby Villain on June 27, 2015, 10:26:45 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 27, 2015, 10:13:32 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 27, 2015, 09:14:00 AM

Quote from: claret and blue blood on June 27, 2015, 08:19:32 AM

Any positive news,it's getting a bit depressing!

Ray Wilkins , adebayour, Tom Carroll , what's not to like
Stay on your feet .

Ray Wilkins could get Didier In and maybe frank on mls loan. Wilkins good with thhe. Connections so my Didier dream cud happen. Imagine. Drogba and benteke up front!!

Call me thick, but I really didn't rate Drogba last season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 27, 2015, 01:30:17 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 27, 2015, 10:13:32 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 27, 2015, 09:14:00 AM

Quote from: claret and blue blood on June 27, 2015, 08:19:32 AM

Any positive news,it's getting a bit depressing!

Ray Wilkins , adebayour, Tom Carroll , what's not to like
Stay on your feet .

Ray Wilkins could get Didier In and maybe frank on mls loan. Wilkins good with thhe. Connections so my Didier dream cud happen. Imagine. Drogba and benteke up front!!

Yes quite...and fortunately my imagination isn't as active as yours.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 27, 2015, 01:31:45 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 27, 2015, 01:30:17 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 27, 2015, 10:13:32 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 27, 2015, 09:14:00 AM

Quote from: claret and blue blood on June 27, 2015, 08:19:32 AM

Any positive news,it's getting a bit depressing!

Ray Wilkins , adebayour, Tom Carroll , what's not to like
Stay on your feet .

Ray Wilkins could get Didier In and maybe frank on mls loan. Wilkins good with thhe. Connections so my Didier dream cud happen. Imagine. Drogba and benteke up front!!

Yes quite...and fortunately my imagination isn't as active as yours.

I tell you what though TV life must be pretty fun with that imagination. I kind of envy it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Pete3206 on June 27, 2015, 01:31:59 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 27, 2015, 09:32:21 AM

New owners will throw £50-70m at sherwood to spend I reckon.

No chance

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on June 27, 2015, 01:40:30 PM

If all the new owners could do is bring in Drogba and Lampard I'd say they do not have much ambition and future-thinking.
Jus' saying.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 27, 2015, 01:41:00 PM

Although I don't agree with getting Drogba, maybe Wilkins can use his connections and get some of Chelsea's most promising young players in on loan. Jose thinks 4 or 5 of their kids have very bright futures. Obviously I'm talking about positions where they would be needed, not positions where they would block the paths of our own kids.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on June 27, 2015, 02:01:10 PM

Quote from: KevinEaton on June 26, 2015, 03:10:20 PM

Last seasons Premier League goalkeepers. Where would you rate Brad?

Thibaut Courtois
Joe Hart
David Ospina
David DeGea
Hugo Lloris
Simon Mignolet
Fraser Forster
Lukasz Fabianski
Asmir Begovic
Julian Speroni
Tim Howard
Adrian
Ben Foster
Kasper Schmeichal
Tom Krul
Costel Pantilmon
Brad Guzan
Allan McGregor
Tom Heaton
Robert Green

For me, he's about where we finished as a team and thats 17th. That says to me, we can do better.

aside from the four in bold it's an uninspiring list. Think Guzan holds his own with the rest

If Sherwood wants to play more progressive football next season then Guzan's limitations with the ball at his feet are an obvious flaw.

Does seem like change for change sake though

If we were to make a change I think Szczęsny will go and prove Wenger wrong somewhere.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Surrey Villain on June 27, 2015, 02:14:32 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on June 27, 2015, 09:14:00 AM

Quote from: claret and blue blood on June 27, 2015, 08:19:32 AM

Any positive news,it's getting a bit depressing!

Ray Wilkins , adebayour, Tom Carroll , what's not to like
Stay on your feet .

You didn't include Townsend. Any reason?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Bad English on June 27, 2015, 02:29:31 PM

One of my wife's colleagues just posted (on Facebook) a photo of Dimitri Payet ITSOTP, saying I would be happy with the signing of the "Frenchie from l'OM".

I went onto her FB page only to find he was wearing the Kit-Stealers top.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on June 27, 2015, 02:35:08 PM

Quote from: Bad English on June 27, 2015, 02:29:31 PM

One of my wife's colleagues just posted (on Facebook) a photo of Dimitri Payet ITSOTP, saying I would be happy with the signing of the "Frenchie from l'OM".

I went onto her FB page only to find he was wearing the Kit-Stealers top.

David Cameron is celebrating the signing

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 27, 2015, 03:55:04 PM

Quote from: Bad English on June 27, 2015, 02:29:31 PM

One of my wife's colleagues just posted (on Facebook) a photo of Dimitri Payet ITSOTP, saying I would be happy with the signing of the "Frenchie from l'OM".

I went onto her FB page only to find he was wearing the Kit-Stealers top.

I don't think murdering her would be an over-reaction in this instance.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Surrey Villain on June 27, 2015, 05:06:30 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 27, 2015, 03:55:04 PM

Quote from: Bad English on June 27, 2015, 02:29:31 PM

One of my wife's colleagues just posted (on Facebook) a photo of Dimitri Payet ITSOTP, saying I would be happy with the signing of the "Frenchie from l'OM".

I went onto her FB page only to find he was wearing the Kit-Stealers top.

I don't think murdering her would be an over-reaction in this instance.

At least a good Hammering.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 27, 2015, 06:14:08 PM

Quote from: Surrey Villain on June 27, 2015, 05:06:30 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 27, 2015, 03:55:04 PM

Quote from: Bad English on June 27, 2015, 02:29:31 PM

One of my wife's colleagues just posted (on Facebook) a photo of Dimitri Payet ITSOTP, saying I would be happy with the signing of the "Frenchie from l'OM".

I went onto her FB page only to find he was wearing the Kit-Stealers top.

I don't think murdering her would be an over-reaction in this instance.

At least a good Hammering.

Lock her in an Iron mask.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on June 27, 2015, 06:57:06 PM

Where's this Moses to Spurs talk come from?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: adrenachrome on June 27, 2015, 07:15:08 PM

Quote from: VinnieChase84 on June 27, 2015, 06:57:06 PM

Where's this Moses to Spurs talk come from?

The Mirror and The Star, mainly.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on June 27, 2015, 07:22:54 PM

I would,very much, like to hear we are interested in Rudi Gestede. He can hold up the ball well,win a lot in the air and score goals. He also has the Sherwood connection as he is currently a Blackburn player. That would raise my flagging spirits a few levels. I don't want to hear we are interested in a £500,000 rated nonentity such as Richards of Swansea.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 27, 2015, 07:50:22 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on June 27, 2015, 07:22:54 PM

I would,very much, like to hear we are interested in Rudi Gestede. He can hold up the ball well,win a lot in the air and score goals. He also has the Sherwood connection as he is currently a Blackburn player. That would raise my flagging spirits a few levels. I don't want to hear we are interested in a £500,000 rated nonentity such as Richards of Swansea.

It's been a while since Sherwood had anything to do with Blackburn. I don't get how there is any connection.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on June 27, 2015, 07:53:22 PM

Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 27, 2015, 07:50:22 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on June 27, 2015, 07:22:54 PM

I would,very much, like to hear we are interested in Rudi Gestede. He can hold up the ball well,win a lot in the air and score goals. He also has the Sherwood connection as he is currently a Blackburn player. That would raise my flagging spirits a few levels. I don't want to hear we are interested in a £500,000 rated nonentity such as Richards of Swansea.

It's been a while since Sherwood had anything to do with Blackburn. I don't get how there is any connection.

Er.. Sherwood played for them and Gestede currently plays for them!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 27, 2015, 07:58:13 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on June 27, 2015, 07:53:22 PM

Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 27, 2015, 07:50:22 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on June 27, 2015, 07:22:54 PM

I would,very much, like to hear we are interested in Rudi Gestede. He can hold up the ball well,win a lot in the air and score goals. He also has the Sherwood connection as he is currently a Blackburn player. That would raise my flagging spirits a few levels. I don't want to hear we are interested in a £500,000 rated nonentity such as Richards of Swansea.

It's been a while since Sherwood had anything to do with Blackburn. I don't get how there is any connection.

Er.. Sherwood played for them and Gestede currently plays for them!

So? It's not really a connection is it? They just both have played for the same club at some point. They haven't actually crossed paths like Andros Townsend. Those lazy journo links make sense (to them anyway).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on June 27, 2015, 08:00:40 PM

Hoping Wilkins will be on the blower to mourinhio soon picking up some of their cast offs either as permanent or loans

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 27, 2015, 08:08:59 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on June 27, 2015, 07:53:22 PM

Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 27, 2015, 07:50:22 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on June 27, 2015, 07:22:54 PM

I would,very much, like to hear we are interested in Rudi Gestede. He can hold up the ball well,win a lot in the air and score goals. He also has the Sherwood connection as he is currently a Blackburn player. That would raise my flagging spirits a few levels. I don't want to hear we are interested in a £500,000 rated nonentity such as Richards of Swansea.

It's been a while since Sherwood had anything to do with Blackburn. I don't get how there is any connection.

Er.. Sherwood played for them and Gestede currently plays for them!

It didn't make us more likely to sign Nottingham Forest players when O'Neill was manager, did it?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 27, 2015, 09:09:54 PM

Rudy Gestede's had a really good 18 months for Blackburn, he's done well relauncing his career considering he was a non factor at Cardiff when they were in the prem.

Interesting player but think Blackburn want 7m for him and he wouldn't be a starter as long as Benteke is here.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 27, 2015, 09:22:48 PM

Just heard a bizarre (amazing) stat, and maybe someone can verify. Sammy Khedira is moving to Juventus on a free and on transfer fees alone their midfield will cost less than Ross McCormack.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 27, 2015, 09:28:06 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 27, 2015, 09:22:48 PM

Just heard a bizarre (amazing) stat, and maybe someone can verify. Sammy Khedira is moving to Juventus on a free and on transfer fees alone their midfield will cost less than Ross McCormack.

Well the only one that they paid money for was Vidal and he was about £9m. Pirlo, Khedira and Pogba were free and Marchisio came through their youth system.

So their midfield also cost less than we paid for Charles N'Zogbia.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 27, 2015, 09:41:46 PM

Quote from: Dave on June 27, 2015, 09:28:06 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 27, 2015, 09:22:48 PM

Just heard a bizarre (amazing) stat, and maybe someone can verify. Sammy Khedira is moving to Juventus on a free and on transfer fees alone their midfield will cost less than Ross McCormack.

Well the only one that they paid money for was Vidal and he was about £9m. Pirlo, Khedira and Pogba were free and Marchisio came through their youth system.

So their midfield also cost less than we paid for Charles N'Zogbia.

(http://mostlyaveragejoe.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/God-Dammit.gif)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 27, 2015, 09:57:45 PM

So if sherwood Blackburn links means bringing in anyone. Who has played. For blackburn. Though really I narrow it down as he only wants winners flowers,le saux, colin hendry  and shearer are the only realistic options.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 27, 2015, 10:14:53 PM

Quote from: Dave on June 27, 2015, 09:28:06 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 27, 2015, 09:22:48 PM

Just heard a bizarre (amazing) stat, and maybe someone can verify. Sammy Khedira is moving to Juventus on a free and on transfer fees alone their midfield will cost less than Ross McCormack.

Well the only one that they paid money for was Vidal and he was about £9m. Pirlo, Khedira and Pogba were free and Marchisio came through their youth system.

So their midfield also cost less than we paid for Charles N'Zogbia.

Astonishingly depressing for almost everyone and certainly us. At the same time superb by Juventus.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 27, 2015, 10:48:44 PM

Being linked with Jordy Clasie, Feyenoord midfielder by John Percy.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 27, 2015, 10:50:31 PM

Classie player.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 27, 2015, 11:03:17 PM

He has a good reputation. Hope he's better than the last Feyenoord midfielder we bought.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on June 27, 2015, 11:31:12 PM

Salah to Inter for £5m?!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 27, 2015, 11:32:34 PM

Quote from: villadelph on June 27, 2015, 11:31:12 PM

Salah to Inter for £5m?!

It's things like that that make £12m for Townsend look completely ridiculous.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 28, 2015, 12:30:47 AM

Clasie would be a good replacement for Cleverley from what I have seen. I reckon Delph will stay put this season whatever happens because he will be all to aware of the Euros and his England spot for next summer.

Salah for 5m is incredible. Wanted us to get him on loan last winter.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 28, 2015, 05:19:22 AM

Classie going to Southampton apparently.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: VicMackey on June 28, 2015, 07:16:54 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 28, 2015, 05:19:22 AM

Classie going to Southampton apparently.

In that case - he's rubbish!

Title: Sherwood wants Milos Veljkovic
Post by: Andy Lochhead on June 28, 2015, 08:22:49 AM

http://www.thfclatest.com/2015/06/27/milos-veljkovic-wanted-by-sherwood/ (http://www.thfclatest.com/2015/06/27/milos-veljkovic-wanted-by-sherwood/)

Title: Re: Sherwood wants Milos Veljkovic
Post by: mr underhill on June 28, 2015, 09:17:39 AM

can't the media be arsed to find a credible link to anyone other than players he has previous with at Spurs? Lazy, lazy, 'journalism'.

Title: Re: Sherwood wants Milos Veljkovic
Post by: LeeB on June 28, 2015, 09:21:09 AM

Thing is, I reckon they'd all improve us, barring Huddlestone.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 28, 2015, 02:13:25 PM

''Tim Sherwood continues to take a leaf out of Harry Redknapps book by trying to  pack his squad with players who have played for him''

Back on Earth, total number of former players he's signed = 0

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 28, 2015, 02:25:31 PM

Just noticed it reported Chelsea are closing in on Begovic, so that will be the next 4 years of his career wasted then. He has absolutely no chance of taking the place of Courtois. Do these players never learn?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ger Regan on June 28, 2015, 02:57:39 PM

I can think of tens of thousands of reasons why he might go there.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 28, 2015, 02:59:42 PM

He be paid tens of thousands wherever he went.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 28, 2015, 03:00:36 PM

Quote from: LeeB on June 28, 2015, 09:21:09 AM

Thing is, I reckon they'd all improve us, barring Huddlestone.

That's not necessarily enough, though.

Look how shit we've been. We don't just need to improve, we need to improve significantly.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 28, 2015, 03:01:19 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on June 28, 2015, 02:25:31 PM

Just noticed it reported Chelsea are closing in on Begovic, so that will be the next 4 years of his career wasted then. He has absolutely no chance of taking the place of Courtois. Do these players never learn?

Although, if you are a 28 year old multimillionaire, there aren't many better cities on the planet to live in than That London.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 28, 2015, 03:03:19 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 28, 2015, 03:01:19 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on June 28, 2015, 02:25:31 PM

Just noticed it reported Chelsea are closing in on Begovic, so that will be the next 4 years of his career wasted then. He has absolutely no chance of taking the place of Courtois. Do these players never learn?

Although, if you are a 28 year old multimillionaire, there aren't many better cities on the planet to live in than That London.

And that's basically all he will be, a multimillionaire, he will ay very very little football the next 4 years. He'll be lucky to get 40 games.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 28, 2015, 03:05:30 PM

I guess professional footballers are supremely confident in their own ability, though, and don't see it as clearly as we do.

Don't get me wrong, you're right, I just think they probably see it differently to us.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 28, 2015, 03:11:45 PM

If he has two choices and playing football is important for the next 4 years then he'll join us. If being a part of winning trophies, living in London, and playing the odd league, cup and CL game is sufficient then Chelsea's bench is as good a spot as any in European football today.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 28, 2015, 03:24:05 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 28, 2015, 03:11:45 PM

If he has two choices and playing football is important for the next 4 years then he'll join us.

If playing every week for a poor-to-middling side for the next four years is what he wants to do, why not just stay where he is?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on June 28, 2015, 03:26:42 PM

Quote from: Dave on June 28, 2015, 03:24:05 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 28, 2015, 03:11:45 PM

If he has two choices and playing football is important for the next 4 years then he'll join us.

If playing every week for a poor-to-middling side for the next four years is what he wants to do, why not just stay where he is?

Birmingham is not the best but have you been to Stoke!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 28, 2015, 03:29:27 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 28, 2015, 03:05:30 PM

I guess professional footballers are supremely confident in their own ability, though, and don't see it as clearly as we do.

Don't get me wrong, you're right, I just think they probably see it differently to us.

Quote from: Dave on June 28, 2015, 03:24:05 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 28, 2015, 03:11:45 PM

If he has two choices and playing football is important for the next 4 years then he'll join us.

If playing every week for a poor-to-middling side for the next four years is what he wants to do, why not just stay where he is?

Stoke are doing as well as they possibly can, there is always the chance with Villa of something happening and us challenging top 6, rose tinted spectacles probably.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 28, 2015, 03:33:22 PM

Quote from: Dave on June 28, 2015, 03:24:05 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 28, 2015, 03:11:45 PM

If he has two choices and playing football is important for the next 4 years then he'll join us.

If playing every week for a poor-to-middling side for the next four years is what he wants to do, why not just stay where he is?

That's just it though, he isn't playing every week. He lost his place at the end of the season which is why he's looking to get out.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris Smith on June 28, 2015, 03:40:14 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 28, 2015, 03:00:36 PM

Quote from: LeeB on June 28, 2015, 09:21:09 AM

Thing is, I reckon they'd all improve us, barring Huddlestone.

That's not necessarily enough, though.

Look how shit we've been. We don't just need to improve, we need to improve significantly.

We do need to improve but it is not that massive a leap. Three more wins last season would have seen us level with West Ham and Everton, i.e. comfortably mid table. To get any higher requires a more significant upgrade but it is probably unrealistic to expect to do that in one go.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 28, 2015, 03:41:26 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 28, 2015, 03:01:19 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on June 28, 2015, 02:25:31 PM

Just noticed it reported Chelsea are closing in on Begovic, so that will be the next 4 years of his career wasted then. He has absolutely no chance of taking the place of Courtois. Do these players never learn?

Although, if you are a 28 year old multimillionaire, there aren't many better cities on the planet to live in than That London.

The only benefits I can think of are culture, which footballers are too thick for, and shopping, which men don't like.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 28, 2015, 04:06:33 PM

Quote from: Chris Smith on June 28, 2015, 03:40:14 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 28, 2015, 03:00:36 PM

Quote from: LeeB on June 28, 2015, 09:21:09 AM

Thing is, I reckon they'd all improve us, barring Huddlestone.

That's not necessarily enough, though.

Look how shit we've been. We don't just need to improve, we need to improve significantly.

We do need to improve but it is not that massive a leap. Three more wins last season would have seen us level with West Ham and Everton, i.e. comfortably mid table. To get any higher requires a more significant upgrade but it is probably unrealistic to expect to do that in one go.

Both teams that we beat during the season under Sherwood. I would go as far as to say that had we scored 20 goals and not 12 in 25 games we'd have been up with Everton or West Ham. You're right, it's not like those teams were streets ahead of us.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 28, 2015, 05:13:54 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 28, 2015, 03:41:26 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 28, 2015, 03:01:19 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on June 28, 2015, 02:25:31 PM

Just noticed it reported Chelsea are closing in on Begovic, so that will be the next 4 years of his career wasted then. He has absolutely no chance of taking the place of Courtois. Do these players never learn?

Although, if you are a 28 year old multimillionaire, there aren't many better cities on the planet to live in than That London.

The only benefits I can think of are culture, which footballers are too thick for, and shopping, which men don't like.

Ha! Very good.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 28, 2015, 06:51:36 PM

Chelsea could buy begovic and loan him to villa that's if Wilkins knows the deal!!
Any how family and extended family are involved with players moving so the London scenes provide alot for all involved not just always about the player (cech for instance) so shops would be interesting to the wags too. Also the social scene and standard of living is better. As are transport links to going abroad handily.

Playing wise though begovic would be best suited to being numero uno at villa esp as euro year coming up. Perhaps give nzogbia in make weight

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 28, 2015, 06:59:16 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 28, 2015, 06:51:36 PM

. Also the social scene and standard of living is better. As are transport links to going abroad handily.

The grass landing strip at BHX is one of the things that really puts off possible signings

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on June 28, 2015, 07:00:11 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 28, 2015, 06:51:36 PM

Chelsea could buy begovic and loan him to villa that's if Wilkins knows the deal!!
Any how family and extended family are involved with players moving so the London scenes provide alot for all involved not just always about the player (cech for instance) so shops would be interesting to the wags too. Also the social scene and standard of living is better. As are transport links to going abroad handily.

Playing wise though begovic would be best suited to being numero uno at villa esp as euro year coming up. Perhaps give nzogbia in make weight

you've suggested sending N'Zog off to Stoke before.
Why would Hughes possibly want to bring Charlie to Stoke?! - he's unlikely to be a makeweight for any deal involving another P'ship side (unless perhaps a newly-promoted side with dosh to burn).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 28, 2015, 07:14:17 PM

They could offer him to Port Vale, it's about his level. It's a shame Martinez doesn't want him back. In fact, it's a shame nobody wants him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 28, 2015, 07:17:02 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 28, 2015, 03:33:22 PM

Quote from: Dave on June 28, 2015, 03:24:05 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 28, 2015, 03:11:45 PM

If he has two choices and playing football is important for the next 4 years then he'll join us.

If playing every week for a poor-to-middling side for the next four years is what he wants to do, why not just stay where he is?

That's just it though, he isn't playing every week. He lost his place at the end of the season which is why he's looking to get out.

Other way around - he wouldn't commit to signing a new contract so Stoke thought it sensible to start bringing Butland as they had little to play for at the end of the season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 28, 2015, 07:23:14 PM

So yes poses interesting question of cnzog went elsewhere would he rekindle his past form and ever hit those heights or is that it?? Like Clark in opposite fashion developed some players go backwards or stifle? Sid well rediscovered goalscoring form like a poor frank lampard when went to Fulham was like his reading days... So can we think nzog will rise again from slumber OR is that it now wherever he goes??
Downing rediscovered form going to west ham jack rodwell didn't at Sunderland . Lets home Sinclair does and what makes a player rediscover his form??
There must be a combination of factors.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on June 28, 2015, 07:28:00 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 28, 2015, 06:51:36 PM

Chelsea could buy begovic and loan him to villa that's if Wilkins knows the deal!!

So buy a journeyman  but competent goalkeeper as understudy to your first choice keeper and than loan him out ....yes that makes sense!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 28, 2015, 07:45:56 PM

I expect Chelsea will loan out Costa too, need to make room for Altidore.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on June 28, 2015, 08:45:09 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on June 28, 2015, 07:23:14 PM

So yes poses interesting question of cnzog went elsewhere would he rekindle his past form and ever hit those heights or is that it?? Like Clark in opposite fashion developed some players go backwards or stifle? Sid well rediscovered goalscoring form like a poor frank lampard when went to Fulham was like his reading days... So can we think nzog will rise again from slumber OR is that it now wherever he goes??
Downing rediscovered form going to west ham jack rodwell didn't at Sunderland . Lets home Sinclair does and what makes a player rediscover his form??
There must be a combination of factors.

What past form has Charlie ever had? - a half-season at Wigan. Pls just leave it will you.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 28, 2015, 09:59:54 PM

Newcastle some of his play was very good and Wigan he was star of team

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 28, 2015, 10:14:13 PM

Nzogbia is fucking shite and couldn't give two fucks about playing football, winning trophies, scoring goals. He's in it for the money, spending it on ridiculous 1980's hip hop clothing and trips around the world.

He's a bag of shit, we all know it, it's been 4 years of paying that clown millions and I for one can't wait until he buggers off and takes the piss elsewhere.

He's crap.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 28, 2015, 10:28:35 PM

The sooner he's off the wage bill, the better. An awful buy in an awful part of our recent history. I hope we don't spend huge amounts on the like of him again where they do nothing for us and can't shift them.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 28, 2015, 11:08:10 PM

Quote from: old man villa fan on June 28, 2015, 03:26:42 PM

Quote from: Dave on June 28, 2015, 03:24:05 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 28, 2015, 03:11:45 PM

If he has two choices and playing football is important for the next 4 years then he'll join us.

If playing every week for a poor-to-middling side for the next four years is what he wants to do, why not just stay where he is?

Birmingham is not the best but have you been to Stoke!

He lives in Cheshire where all the Manchester club players are based.

Actually when I was looking at the Oatcake last week (yes Chris Jameson hasn't murdered all of them) a few were saying a reason he might be tempted by our bid was that he was pretty settled in Staffordshire so could commute whereas Chelsea he obviously has to move.

I never thought we'd sign him tbh.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 28, 2015, 11:16:10 PM

Quote from: OCD on June 28, 2015, 10:28:35 PM

The sooner he's off the wage bill, the better. An awful buy in an awful part of our recent history. I hope we don't spend huge amounts on the like of him again where they do nothing for us and can't shift them.

Ditto Cole, Given, Luna. Jeez, Sherwood has his work cut out.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 28, 2015, 11:53:12 PM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on June 28, 2015, 11:08:10 PM

Quote from: old man villa fan on June 28, 2015, 03:26:42 PM

Quote from: Dave on June 28, 2015, 03:24:05 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 28, 2015, 03:11:45 PM

If he has two choices and playing football is important for the next 4 years then he'll join us.

If playing every week for a poor-to-middling side for the next four years is what he wants to do, why not just stay where he is?

Birmingham is not the best but have you been to Stoke!

He lives in Cheshire where all the Manchester club players are based.

Actually when I was looking at the Oatcake last week (yes Chris Jameson hasn't murdered all of them) a few were saying a reason he might be tempted by our bid was that he was pretty settled in Staffordshire so could commute whereas Chelsea he obviously has to move.

I never thought we'd sign him tbh.

So does he live in Cheshire or Staffordshire?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 29, 2015, 12:19:23 AM

Cheshire, with a holiday home in Staffordshire.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on June 29, 2015, 12:23:37 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 28, 2015, 11:53:12 PM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on June 28, 2015, 11:08:10 PM

Quote from: old man villa fan on June 28, 2015, 03:26:42 PM

Quote from: Dave on June 28, 2015, 03:24:05 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 28, 2015, 03:11:45 PM

If he has two choices and playing football is important for the next 4 years then he'll join us.

If playing every week for a poor-to-middling side for the next four years is what he wants to do, why not just stay where he is?

Birmingham is not the best but have you been to Stoke!

He lives in Cheshire where all the Manchester club players are based.

Actually when I was looking at the Oatcake last week (yes Chris Jameson hasn't murdered all of them) a few were saying a reason he might be tempted by our bid was that he was pretty settled in Staffordshire so could commute whereas Chelsea he obviously has to move.

I never thought we'd sign him tbh.

So does he live in Cheshire or Staffordshire?

Thought they lived in Newcastle-under-Lyme.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Louzie0 on June 29, 2015, 01:15:08 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 28, 2015, 11:53:12 PM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on June 28, 2015, 11:08:10 PM

Quote from: old man villa fan on June 28, 2015, 03:26:42 PM

Quote from: Dave on June 28, 2015, 03:24:05 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 28, 2015, 03:11:45 PM

If he has two choices and playing football is important for the next 4 years then he'll join us.

If playing every week for a poor-to-middling side for the next four years is what he wants to do, why not just stay where he is?

Birmingham is not the best but have you been to Stoke!

He lives in Cheshire where all the Manchester club players are based.

Actually when I was looking at the Oatcake last week (yes Chris Jameson hasn't murdered all of them) a few were saying a reason he might be tempted by our bid was that he was pretty settled in Staffordshire so could commute whereas Chelsea he obviously has to move.

I never thought we'd sign him tbh.

So does he live in Cheshire or Staffordshire?

On a bridge over the river Dane.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dicedlam on June 29, 2015, 07:33:52 AM

If he does live in Staffordshire then it makes sense why he would consider moving to us. A little jaunt down the M6, take the toll road and then exiting at the Belfry. Thirty minutes maximum at the time of day he would be traveling.

Having to travel to Birmingham means what really...every other week?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 29, 2015, 08:38:16 AM

We're being linked with a £3.5 million move for Tjaronn Chery of Groningen, who managed to pop 15 goals in 34 appearances from midfield for them, with 6 assists.

I know nothing about him, but those stats seem quite impressive when weighed up against the suggested fee.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 29, 2015, 08:46:07 AM

Quote from: Ads on June 29, 2015, 08:38:16 AM

We're being linked with a £3.5 million move for Tjaronn Chery of Groningen, who managed to pop 15 goals in 34 appearances from midfield for them, with 6 assists.

I know nothing about him, but those stats seem quite impressive when weighed up against the suggested fee.

Youtube compilation makes him look very good. Seems to have good vision and good technique.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 29, 2015, 08:55:46 AM

I've taken a look at the YoutTube footage.

He seems quick and direct, with a good left foot and some decent tricks on him. A lot of his goals seemed to be him popping up in the box, which sounds like black magic compared to the way our midfield played pre-Sherwood.

It would be interesting to know the opinion of anybody who has seen him play.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aev on June 29, 2015, 09:15:22 AM

Quote from: Ads on June 29, 2015, 08:38:16 AM

We're being linked with a £3.5 million move for Tjaronn Chery of Groningen, who managed to pop 15 goals in 34 appearances from midfield for them, with 6 assists.

I know nothing about him, but those stats seem quite impressive when weighed up against the suggested fee.

If he could "pop" up with some goals that would be marvellous.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 29, 2015, 09:16:29 AM

Quote from: aj2k77 on June 29, 2015, 08:46:07 AM

Quote from: Ads on June 29, 2015, 08:38:16 AM

We're being linked with a £3.5 million move for Tjaronn Chery of Groningen, who managed to pop 15 goals in 34 appearances from midfield for them, with 6 assists.

I know nothing about him, but those stats seem quite impressive when weighed up against the suggested fee.

Youtube compilation makes him look very good. Seems to have good vision and good technique.

Forget it,  Groningen despite his contract situation are taking a buffalo stance

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 29, 2015, 10:40:25 AM

Quote from: TheMalandro on June 29, 2015, 09:16:29 AM

Quote from: aj2k77 on June 29, 2015, 08:46:07 AM

Quote from: Ads on June 29, 2015, 08:38:16 AM

We're being linked with a £3.5 million move for Tjaronn Chery of Groningen, who managed to pop 15 goals in 34 appearances from midfield for them, with 6 assists.

I know nothing about him, but those stats seem quite impressive when weighed up against the suggested fee.

Youtube compilation makes him look very good. Seems to have good vision and good technique.

Forget it,  Groningen despite his contract situation are taking a buffalo stance

What is he like? What's he like anway?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Quiet Lion on June 29, 2015, 10:40:55 AM

Quote from: TheMalandro on June 29, 2015, 09:16:29 AM

Quote from: aj2k77 on June 29, 2015, 08:46:07 AM

Quote from: Ads on June 29, 2015, 08:38:16 AM

We're being linked with a £3.5 million move for Tjaronn Chery of Groningen, who managed to pop 15 goals in 34 appearances from midfield for them, with 6 assists.

I know nothing about him, but those stats seem quite impressive when weighed up against the suggested fee.

Youtube compilation makes him look very good. Seems to have good vision and good technique.

Forget it,  Groningen despite his contract situation are taking a buffalo stance

He is not the finished article yet, very raw like sushi

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eamonn on June 29, 2015, 10:51:58 AM

Quote from: Bren'd on June 29, 2015, 10:40:25 AM

Quote from: TheMalandro on June 29, 2015, 09:16:29 AM

Quote from: aj2k77 on June 29, 2015, 08:46:07 AM

Quote from: Ads on June 29, 2015, 08:38:16 AM

We're being linked with a £3.5 million move for Tjaronn Chery of Groningen, who managed to pop 15 goals in 34 appearances from midfield for them, with 6 assists.

I know nothing about him, but those stats seem quite impressive when weighed up against the suggested fee.

Youtube compilation makes him look very good. Seems to have good vision and good technique.

Forget it,  Groningen despite his contract situation are taking a buffalo stance

What is he like? What's he like anway?

In time, in time, I'll tell you what he's like.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: AVFCRob on June 29, 2015, 11:24:59 AM

Eamonn, one of the absolute classics! I salute your taste in music :)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 29, 2015, 12:17:13 PM

Quote from: eamonn on June 29, 2015, 10:51:58 AM

Quote from: Bren'd on June 29, 2015, 10:40:25 AM

Quote from: TheMalandro on June 29, 2015, 09:16:29 AM

Quote from: aj2k77 on June 29, 2015, 08:46:07 AM

Quote from: Ads on June 29, 2015, 08:38:16 AM

We're being linked with a £3.5 million move for Tjaronn Chery of Groningen, who managed to pop 15 goals in 34 appearances from midfield for them, with 6 assists.

I know nothing about him, but those stats seem quite impressive when weighed up against the suggested fee.

Youtube compilation makes him look very good. Seems to have good vision and good technique.

Forget it,  Groningen despite his contract situation are taking a buffalo stance

What is he like? What's he like anway?

In time, in time, I'll tell you what he's like.

He's just bought a house near Bodymoor Heath. Very near. Seven seconds away.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on June 29, 2015, 12:21:34 PM

His low price is due to his questionable temperament.

He's manchild.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 29, 2015, 12:36:00 PM

hopeless then -  after all, This is A Man's World

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve R on June 29, 2015, 01:44:29 PM

Enough of all that crap. Can he get a decent night's sleep in the middle of the road?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Havencheese on June 29, 2015, 02:04:41 PM

Not if he's a gigolo.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 29, 2015, 03:28:31 PM

Tonev interesting Roma - no, not an anagram, being reported in Bulgarian media. You couldn't make this shit up! Well you can...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 29, 2015, 03:39:17 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 29, 2015, 03:28:31 PM

Tonev interesting Roma - no, not an anagram, being reported in Bulgarian media. You couldn't make this shit up! Well you can...

you'll be telling me Phil Neville has a job with a big spanish club next

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 29, 2015, 05:51:03 PM

Surely Lazio would be a better fit for Tonev?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 29, 2015, 05:55:00 PM

Roma are racist too.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/roma-fined-following-racist-chants-1887184

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: nigel on June 29, 2015, 06:45:24 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 29, 2015, 05:55:00 PM

Roma are racist too.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/roma-fined-following-racist-chants-1887184

Tonev was accused of racism when at Celtic, so he'd fit in quite well  ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 29, 2015, 07:24:56 PM

Quote from: nigel on June 29, 2015, 06:45:24 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 29, 2015, 05:55:00 PM

Roma are racist too.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/roma-fined-following-racist-chants-1887184

Tonev was accused of racism when at Celtic, so he'd fit in quite well  ;)

Wooosh!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: CT Villan on June 29, 2015, 07:27:44 PM

...and a charge he still vehemently denies.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 29, 2015, 08:54:35 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 29, 2015, 07:24:56 PM

Quote from: nigel on June 29, 2015, 06:45:24 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 29, 2015, 05:55:00 PM

Roma are racist too.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/roma-fined-following-racist-chants-1887184

Tonev was accused of racism when at Celtic, so he'd fit in quite well  ;)

Wooosh!

58,000ft

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 30, 2015, 05:35:43 AM

Quote from: TheMalandro on June 29, 2015, 08:54:35 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 29, 2015, 07:24:56 PM

Quote from: nigel on June 29, 2015, 06:45:24 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 29, 2015, 05:55:00 PM

Roma are racist too.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/roma-fined-following-racist-chants-1887184

Tonev was accused of racism when at Celtic, so he'd fit in quite well  ;)

Wooosh!

58,000ft

And counting

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 30, 2015, 08:12:42 AM

Headline this morning 'Tottenham Planning Incredible Swap Deal For Premier League Star'.

That would be Benteke in exchange for cash and a player on huge wages that they want off their books. Incredible.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aev on June 30, 2015, 08:30:27 AM

Quote from: TheMalandro on June 30, 2015, 08:12:42 AM

Headline this morning 'Tottenham Planning Incredible Swap Deal For Premier League Star'.

That would be Benteke in exchange for cash and a player on huge wages that they want off their books. Incredible.

I really dislike Spurs.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 30, 2015, 08:41:31 AM

it's not even as if this were new bollocks; it's a load of old bollocks.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 30, 2015, 08:43:58 AM

I hate spurs, you want there player is over the inflation rate, they want yours we give you all our shit plus £2.50

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 30, 2015, 08:45:19 AM

We've apparently bid for Ajax's Danish left back Boilesen.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 30, 2015, 09:00:47 AM

Quote from: Ads on June 30, 2015, 08:45:19 AM

We've apparently bid for Ajax's Danish left back Boilesen.

Thumbs up for Scandinavian defenders.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 30, 2015, 09:37:03 AM

Quote from: TheMalandro on June 30, 2015, 09:00:47 AM

Quote from: Ads on June 30, 2015, 08:45:19 AM

We've apparently bid for Ajax's Danish left back Boilesen.

Thumbs up for Scandinavian defenders.

Not all of them are Kent Nielsen clones 😃

There's one paper running the story over here (Ekstra Bladet). Apparently we've bid around £1.5M and Ajax want £2.0M.

Not seen too much of him as he's played in Holland since 2011 - picked up by Ajax straight from Brøndby's youth team. From what I've see of him playing for Denmark, he's technically sound, but I'd worry about him with the pace of the PL.

Depending on who's version you believe, either he's on his way out because they've bought Heitinga, or they've bought Heitinga because he turned down a new contract of €1M (Ajax's max under their wage structure ) as he thought he was worth more.

There a few comments around, that if one of the reasons we're looking to replace Cissokho because of his injury record (as reported here) we're betting on the wrong horse.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on June 30, 2015, 10:51:21 AM

I think we're just looking to replace Cissokho for footballing reasons, rather than his injury record.

Not sure about this guy to be honest, but I would be happy with either Robertson or Amavi. Failing that I quite like George Friend at Boro.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 30, 2015, 10:56:25 AM

Three minutes of YouTube footage suggest he's quite quick, as he manages to motor past his opposing full back and winger.

He's a big lad height wise too and seems pretty good on the ball and going forwards. I even saw him make a few tackles.

He can't be too much a of a Luna if he plays for Ajax and it would appear his injury record is the only concerning factor.

The last big blond Dane we had was worth it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on June 30, 2015, 11:36:16 AM

He was good on both FIFA and FM for me, which is more than what you can say about Luna, so sign him up.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on June 30, 2015, 09:38:45 PM

Looks like Begovich to Chelski is done?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on June 30, 2015, 09:55:14 PM

Quote from: villadelph on June 30, 2015, 09:38:45 PM

Looks like Begovich to Chelski is done?

Asmir retires from football aged 28

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 30, 2015, 10:00:29 PM

Guidetti the swedish u21 player (man city / feynoord / celtic and stoke) is out of contract would be an interesting option.  He is clearly a limited footballer but he is very good at what he can do.  As an understudy to Benteke he could be an interesting proposition and crucially is likely to improve.

...and cheap.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard E on June 30, 2015, 10:01:52 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 30, 2015, 10:00:29 PM

Guidetti the swedish u21 player (man city / feynoord / celtic and stoke) is out of contract would be an interesting option.  He is clearly a limited footballer but he is very good at what he can do.  As an understudy to Benteke he could be an interesting proposition and crucially is likely to improve.

...and cheap.

I think the number of clubs he has got through already probably speaks volumes.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on June 30, 2015, 10:09:58 PM

Quote from: Richard E on June 30, 2015, 10:01:52 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 30, 2015, 10:00:29 PM

Guidetti the swedish u21 player (man city / feynoord / celtic and stoke) is out of contract would be an interesting option.  He is clearly a limited footballer but he is very good at what he can do.  As an understudy to Benteke he could be an interesting proposition and crucially is likely to improve.

...and cheap.

I think the number of clubs he has got through already probably speaks volumes.

but they're all loans so it's not really relevant.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: garyshawsknee on June 30, 2015, 10:18:33 PM

Means no one wants him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 30, 2015, 10:23:03 PM

Quote from: garyshawsknee on June 30, 2015, 10:18:33 PM

Means no one wants him.

It means man City do not want him, however I'd guess Feyenoord (20 goals in 23) and Celtic (15 in 35) probably would. 
He'd definitely be a risk but could be a good player.  I reckon he'll ask stupid wages though as a few years ago he was one of europe's top prospects.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 30, 2015, 10:25:08 PM

There has been quite a lot said elsewhere about Guidetti's attitude.

He's - apparently - got interesting "refuelling" routines.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on June 30, 2015, 10:28:32 PM

He's also a pretty decent guy - http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jun/30/john-guidetti-sweden-football-mr-nice-guy

I've seen very little of him and no idea if he's worth looking at so this is nothing more than pointing out that's there's more sides to him than a few posters have presented at various times on here.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 30, 2015, 10:31:13 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 30, 2015, 10:25:08 PM

There has been quite a lot said elsewhere about Guidetti's attitude.

He's - apparently - got interesting "refuelling" routines.

I was not aware of that (whatever it may be).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on June 30, 2015, 10:38:42 PM

Would Citeh still be due a fee for Guidetti, given his age?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 30, 2015, 10:49:12 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 30, 2015, 10:25:08 PM

There has been quite a lot said elsewhere about Guidetti's attitude.

He's - apparently - got interesting "refuelling" routines.

Which could also be bollocks. Biggest problem with the Internet is conjecture and speculation being accepted as fact.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 01, 2015, 03:20:04 AM

Idrissa Gueye being linked by the Daily Heil for £9m. Got to sell him today for financial reasons allegedly. Also linked with a young Turkish forward too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 01, 2015, 04:49:54 AM

Article suggests the fee has been agreed.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 01, 2015, 05:14:11 AM

I love this bit.

Quote

Villa director of recruitment Paddy Reilly though pushed to get a fee agreed last night and Lille are happy as they need to agree to sell the player by today for financial reasons.

I have this image of the Lille fax room as they take in bids a hubbub of activity, then the door gets kicked open and Paddy Reilly strides in, dumps a pile of cash on the table points to Gueye who is wide eyed in the corner and says "YOU. VILLA. NOW."

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 01, 2015, 08:35:40 AM

I've never seen gueye or this Dutch fella play, but it is encouraging that we're even being linked with some interesting signings that aren't in the cheap. I like the sound of both - although I think I liked the sound of fernando nelson

Still really unsure on a replacement for benteke. I guess we could get Charlie Austin plus N'Doye with some change to spare, if they'd come. I'm sure there are better options but I don't know who they are.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on July 01, 2015, 09:40:49 AM

Another in the increasingly long line of ' linkages', I would love to see Cambiaso in a Villa shirt, even at 34 he could have a very positive effect on  his colleagues, as he did at Leicester.....Godzvilla!

Aston Villa are reportedly lining up a move for out-of-contract midfielder, Esteban Cambiasso.
Aston Villa eye move for former Real Madrid midfielder
The Argentina international spent last season on loan at Leicester City, but after his contract expired on June 30, and with no new deal signed, the 34-year-old is now a free agent.
 That has alerted Villa manager Tim Sherwood, who was impressed by the former Inter Milan and Real Madrid star’s performances last term, as the Foxes won seven of their last nine Premier League matches to secure unlikely survival.
Cambiasso, who has previously admitted he has loved his time in England, made 33 appearances in all competitions for City, scoring five goals

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Shrek on July 01, 2015, 10:42:39 AM

Benteke 32 mill
Austin 15mill

A net profit of 17 mill is good enough for me, I don't if the fees are too much. I like Austin

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 01, 2015, 10:43:37 AM

He scores goals, which is what we would need.

To be honest, we need two forwards.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on July 01, 2015, 10:52:06 AM

Austin is fine with me as a replacement; him or Remy.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: darren woolley on July 01, 2015, 10:57:40 AM

I would also like us to get Austin.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 01, 2015, 10:59:29 AM

Somebody reckons Cambiasso is having a medical.

Normally I would avoid a 34 year old, but I think he'd really benefit the squad, as he is still a class act and would be a really good option to have in the squad, if only for 12 months.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 01, 2015, 11:17:11 AM

Cambiasso was quality for Leicester, would be an interesting signing for a season. Looked in good shape for his age.

Austin and another striker for me if Benteke is gone

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on July 01, 2015, 11:25:17 AM

Would like to see Cambiasso here, but don't really know why he'd leave Leicester for us given how well he did there and how strong a connection he seemed to form with them.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 01, 2015, 11:33:53 AM

Good signing for me.  He was only on a 1 year contract at Leicester so (assuming the same) it is not as if his wages will be a burden for future years if his legs suddenly go.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 01, 2015, 11:55:21 AM

Cambiasso is a strange one if true and if it is, I wonder if it had anything to do with why Pearson left.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on July 01, 2015, 11:59:34 AM

He's free isn't he?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 01, 2015, 12:01:46 PM

Quote from: passitsideways on July 01, 2015, 11:25:17 AM

Would like to see Cambiasso here, but don't really know why he'd leave Leicester for us given how well he did there and how strong a connection he seemed to form with them.

I know what you mean, but then again, if we take that fatalist approach then we're going to struggle to sign anybody.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 01, 2015, 12:10:19 PM

Quote from: passitsideways on July 01, 2015, 11:25:17 AM

Would like to see Cambiasso here, but don't really know why he'd leave Leicester for us given how well he did there and how strong a connection he seemed to form with them.

We were thinking the same thing about Cleverley and his connection with Delph and he left.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on July 01, 2015, 12:13:08 PM

Quote from: Ads on July 01, 2015, 10:59:29 AM

Somebody reckons Cambiasso is having a medical.

Normally I would avoid a 34 year old, but I think he'd really benefit the squad, as he is still a class act and would be a really good option to have in the squad, if only for 12 months.

This from the Leics Mercury via that bastion of truth,The Sun. Apparently, he is now officially out of Contract.......Godzvilla!

Leicester City's player of the season Esteban Cambiasso has received an offer from Aston Villa, according to the Sun.

Cambiasso's one-year contract at City officially expired yesterday, June 30, and the Argentinian midfielder is now a free agent.

The 34-year-old has been offered a new deal to remain at the King Power Stadium, but other Premier League clubs, including West Ham and now Aston Villa, have expressed an interest in capturing his signature.
Cambiasso arrived at City on free transfer from Inter Milan last August, making his debut in the 1-0 win at Stoke before scoring in a 5-3 comeback win against Manchester United

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ryu on July 01, 2015, 12:15:00 PM

Cambiasso did do well last season and obviously is a very good and experienced player but he was so niggley and horrible at VP in the league last season that I hope we don't sign him!  Reminded me of Ivan Campo when he was at Bolton.  With significantly less hair, obviously.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on July 01, 2015, 12:40:29 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 01, 2015, 12:01:46 PM

Quote from: passitsideways on July 01, 2015, 11:25:17 AM

Would like to see Cambiasso here, but don't really know why he'd leave Leicester for us given how well he did there and how strong a connection he seemed to form with them.

I know what you mean, but then again, if we take that fatalist approach then we're going to struggle to sign anybody.

For a player at that stage of his career, though? I wouldn't expect him to be turned by money (unless it's an exorbitant amount) and Leicester, providing that they actually do want to re-sign him, offer him the same opportunity for top-level football without having to go through any of the fuss associated with moving clubs.

I think that's different to most of the other players who we could be in for: either they're taking a step down from a club higher up the table (Sinclair, Richards) or they have the monetary/stepping stone incentive (players from the continent). If we're really in for Gueye and Chery and whoever else, I do think we stand a chance of getting such players with good sell jobs.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 01, 2015, 12:43:21 PM

Quote from: passitsideways on July 01, 2015, 12:40:29 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 01, 2015, 12:01:46 PM

Quote from: passitsideways on July 01, 2015, 11:25:17 AM

Would like to see Cambiasso here, but don't really know why he'd leave Leicester for us given how well he did there and how strong a connection he seemed to form with them.

I know what you mean, but then again, if we take that fatalist approach then we're going to struggle to sign anybody.

For a player at that stage of his career, though? I wouldn't expect him to be turned by money (unless it's an exorbitant amount) and Leicester, providing that they actually do want to re-sign him, offer him the same opportunity for top-level football without having to go through any of the fuss associated with moving clubs.

I think that's different to most of the other players who we could be in for: either they're taking a step down from a club higher up the table (Sinclair, Richards) or they have the monetary/stepping stone incentive (players from the continent). If we're really in for Gueye and Chery and whoever else, I do think we stand a chance of getting such players with good sell jobs.

Surely the logic which caused Cambiasso to join Leicester is still valid re him coming here, though?

Leicester have just sacked their manager, too.

FWIW, Cambiasso has clearly still got something to offer. When he went there, I thought it would be a case of an old pro coasting and taking a last pay day, and that he wouldn't be up for the fight, but he absolutely was, as it turned out.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 01, 2015, 12:44:00 PM

Cambiasso would be useful on a free.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 01, 2015, 12:45:00 PM

Put it like this.

A seasoned, experience pro available to do a job in midfield when needed. Cambiasso or Joe "20 Superkings" Cole?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on July 01, 2015, 12:52:07 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 01, 2015, 12:43:21 PM

Quote from: passitsideways on July 01, 2015, 12:40:29 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 01, 2015, 12:01:46 PM

Quote from: passitsideways on July 01, 2015, 11:25:17 AM

Would like to see Cambiasso here, but don't really know why he'd leave Leicester for us given how well he did there and how strong a connection he seemed to form with them.

I know what you mean, but then again, if we take that fatalist approach then we're going to struggle to sign anybody.

For a player at that stage of his career, though? I wouldn't expect him to be turned by money (unless it's an exorbitant amount) and Leicester, providing that they actually do want to re-sign him, offer him the same opportunity for top-level football without having to go through any of the fuss associated with moving clubs.

I think that's different to most of the other players who we could be in for: either they're taking a step down from a club higher up the table (Sinclair, Richards) or they have the monetary/stepping stone incentive (players from the continent). If we're really in for Gueye and Chery and whoever else, I do think we stand a chance of getting such players with good sell jobs.

Surely the logic which caused Cambiasso to join Leicester is still valid re him coming here, though?

Leicester have just sacked their manager, too.

FWIW, Cambiasso has clearly still got something to offer. When he went there, I thought it would be a case of an old pro coasting and taking a last pay day, and that he wouldn't be up for the fight, but he absolutely was, as it turned out.

It's a good point about the Pearson thing possibly complicating his return - hadn't thought of that.

For the record, I'd be pleased if he did turn up here, although it would make the midfield pretty crowded providing that Delph stays: those two + Westwood, Sanchez and Gardner for maybe two starting spots. There's also the cliched angle of "maybe the younger lads can learn from the old hand who's seen it all at the top level", but who knows if that's actually the case (in terms of producing tangible positive effects.)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 01, 2015, 12:52:42 PM

Sherwood once said he didn't want to sign players on their last big payday type transfer. Clearly we feel that this is different because Cambiasso is a bit classy and would battle for his place. Rather than Joke Cole? For a season, it's a yes from me.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: darren woolley on July 01, 2015, 01:30:21 PM

Let's get Cambiasso on board would be a good signing.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 01, 2015, 01:36:35 PM

Quote from: darren woolley on July 01, 2015, 01:30:21 PM

Let's get Cambiasso on board would be a good signing.

I could see him in the holding role with Delph and a similarly athletic player either side of him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 01, 2015, 01:38:44 PM

its a no from me; one bad knock at his age and its superannuation time; we need younger legs with more to prove

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on July 01, 2015, 01:40:23 PM

Reports coming out of Italy that Stoke have agreed a 17 million euro fee for Inters Xherdan Shaqiri. I think he's been massively over rated for yonks, but fair play to them if they pull that off.

I still don't believe Benteke will join Liverpool in a few days as reported. When his agent put in a transfer request he was apparently going to join Spurs in the next few days....Liverpool are just Spurs.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 01, 2015, 01:45:56 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 01, 2015, 01:38:44 PM

its a no from me; one bad knock at his age and its superannuation time; we need younger legs with more to prove

But he wouldn't be on a ridiculous Shay Given-style contract - if that does happen then it's 12 months. Are we likely to get any less out of him than we have from Joe Cole in the last year?

The potential reward versus the risk means that it makes a lot of sense to do.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 01, 2015, 01:50:36 PM

I wouldn't be totally against Cambiasso coming in. Leicester got 31 appearances out of him last season and he won their player of the season, so for year why not?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: warleyboy on July 01, 2015, 02:05:54 PM

Cambiassi YES.
On a free, great experience, no brainer.

Guys, let's face facts, Delph & Tekkers are going..

I'm very excited about players we are starting to be linked with, could be a really interesting season.
This could really be a new look villa.
Can see a real topsy turvy season with strange results, but exciting non the less.

Up the villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ryu on July 01, 2015, 02:21:53 PM

Quote from: warleyboy on July 01, 2015, 02:05:54 PM

Cambiassi YES.
On a free, great experience, no brainer.

Guys, let's face facts, Delph & Tekkers are going..

I'm very excited about players we are starting to be linked with, could be a really interesting season.
This could really be a new look villa.
Can see a real topsy turvy season with strange results, but exciting non the less.

Up the villa.

They aren't facts.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on July 01, 2015, 02:31:40 PM

Quote from: Clampy on July 01, 2015, 11:55:21 AM

Cambiasso is a strange one if true and if it is, I wonder if it had anything to do with why Pearson left.

Could he be a contender for Manager´s job?..........Godzvilla!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on July 01, 2015, 02:36:29 PM

It does seem to go against the policy of signing players who are committed for the medium/long term, but under Lambert we'd probably be preparing a five year contract. I'd like to think a deal for Cambiasso is one or two seasons max, and the guy has shown he can cut it in the Premier League and last a season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: avfcdale on July 01, 2015, 02:47:20 PM

would probably have stayed at Leicester but Pearson has gone and they will end up with Big Sam so a player like that will not want to see the ball continually flying 40 foot above his head

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 01, 2015, 03:03:21 PM

Quote from: Tuscans on July 01, 2015, 01:40:23 PM

Reports coming out of Italy that Stoke have agreed a 17 million euro fee for Inters Xherdan Shaqiri. I think he's been massively over rated for yonks, but fair play to them if they pull that off.

I still don't believe Benteke will join Liverpool in a few days as reported. When his agent put in a transfer request he was apparently going to join Spurs in the next few days....Liverpool are just Spurs.

Looks like he has eaten Huddlestone

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on July 01, 2015, 03:03:46 PM

Quote from: warleyboy on July 01, 2015, 02:05:54 PM

Cambiassi YES.
On a free, great experience, no brainer.

Guys, let's face facts, Delph & Tekkers are going..

I'm very excited about players we are starting to be linked with, could be a really interesting season.
This could really be a new look villa.
Can see a real topsy turvy season with strange results, but exciting non the less.

Up the villa.

I don't think Benteke will leave this summer, and I feel as though there is no chance Delph leaves either.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 01, 2015, 03:08:48 PM

Quote from: villadelph on July 01, 2015, 03:03:46 PM

Quote from: warleyboy on July 01, 2015, 02:05:54 PM

Cambiassi YES.
On a free, great experience, no brainer.

Guys, let's face facts, Delph & Tekkers are going..

I'm very excited about players we are starting to be linked with, could be a really interesting season.
This could really be a new look villa.
Can see a real topsy turvy season with strange results, but exciting non the less.

Up the villa.

I don't think Benteke will leave this summer, and I feel as though there is no chance Delph leaves either.

I'm convinced Benteke wil leave but doubt Delph will - unless he is told he's first choice in a champions league team (which is unlikely)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 01, 2015, 03:17:04 PM

The only complaint about the Cambiasso link is that we should have signed him 12 months ago. He's a class player and although he's no spring chicken, he's already had his season in the PL to adjust. Could be a great albeit short term signing.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on July 01, 2015, 03:21:32 PM

Stoke and Shaqiri?! - Stoke must surely be a stalking horse for other clubs! A little disappointing if they can pull off a deal ike that. I'd liked us to have pitched for Salah (Chelsea reject) but I suspect we are not goiing to be that ambitious. So, it's Stoke's cast-off NZonzi instead perhaps. Or continued N'Zog (God forbid).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 01, 2015, 03:39:55 PM

Quote from: Clampy on July 01, 2015, 11:55:21 AM

Cambiasso is a strange one if true and if it is, I wonder if it had anything to do with why Pearson left.

Wasn't he sacked?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on July 01, 2015, 04:25:01 PM

Cambiasso could provide what we've lacked since Barry left, albeit for just a year or two. He's a classy player. He's never relied on pace. I'd be happy with that given he still seems capable of playing. It's not like Cole, Senderos or Rico who have always had injury problems.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Surrey Villain on July 01, 2015, 04:29:49 PM

Quote from: curiousorange on July 01, 2015, 02:36:29 PM

It does seem to go against the policy of signing players who are committed for the medium/long term, but under Lambert we'd probably be preparing a five year contract. I'd like to think a deal for Cambiasso is one or two seasons max, and the guy has shown he can cut it in the Premier League and last a season.

We though N'Zogbia could cut it in the Premier League!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on July 01, 2015, 04:43:00 PM

Quote from: Mister E on July 01, 2015, 03:21:32 PM

Stoke and Shaqiri?! - Stoke must surely be a stalking horse for other clubs! A little disappointing if they can pull off a deal ike that. I'd liked us to have pitched for Salah (Chelsea reject) but I suspect we are not goiing to be that ambitious. So, it's Stoke's cast-off NZonzi instead perhaps. Or continued N'Zog (God forbid).

N'Zonzi is a pretty good player..

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on July 01, 2015, 05:27:05 PM

Dont forget Liverpool is linked to many players like Higuain and they won't have to money to buy everyone.  Newspaper is trying to sell by using transfer gossip.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Summers on July 01, 2015, 05:53:15 PM

Holy crap, Cambiasso would be a great signing.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on July 01, 2015, 08:13:29 PM

Cambiasso would be a welcome signing on a free and Delph could learn a lot from him. I can see Cambiasso sitting in front of the back four organising and distributing, and allow Delph the freedom to get forward. Obviously this means no room for Sanchez in the team (which isn't a bad thing).

I don't think we'll lose him, but I'd be more pissed off if Delph left than Benteke. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: rougegorge on July 01, 2015, 08:31:56 PM

According to Swedish press we could be interested in  the U21 full back Ludwig Augustinsson. http://www.expressen.se/sport/fotboll/landslaget/aston-villa-forbereder-bud-pa-augustinsson

I might take a gamble on Guidetti too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 01, 2015, 09:10:51 PM

Quote from: Tuscans on July 01, 2015, 01:40:23 PM

Reports coming out of Italy that Stoke have agreed a 17 million euro fee for Inters Xherdan Shaqiri. I think he's been massively over rated for yonks, but fair play to them if they pull that off.

Another one to add to the list of examples of why spending the same amount of money on Townsend would be utterly ridiculous.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on July 01, 2015, 09:12:30 PM

Jack Cork should be on our list if we can prise him away from Swansea.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on July 01, 2015, 09:20:43 PM

Jack Cork has struggled to get in the Southampton and Swansea sides the last 2 years.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 01, 2015, 09:29:01 PM

I think we should put in a 30mil bid for Sergio Ramos.That would shock a few
people especially Sergio Ramos!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 01, 2015, 09:33:57 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 01, 2015, 09:29:01 PM

I think we should put in a 30mil bid for Sergio Ramos.That would shock a few
people especially Sergio Ramos!

And send out signals about our intentions!








What sort of signals I'm not quite sure, but signals....


UTV!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 01, 2015, 09:45:36 PM

My mate has just texted to say we've had a 9m bid accepted for that guy who's name sounds like a type of cheese.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 01, 2015, 09:47:00 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 01, 2015, 09:45:36 PM

My mate has just texted to say we've had a 9m bid accepted for that guy who's name sounds like a type of cheese.

yesterday's bollocks rumour for Gueye. Who knows how true any of this shit is.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 01, 2015, 09:51:43 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 01, 2015, 09:45:36 PM

My mate has just texted to say we've had a 9m bid accepted for that guy who's name sounds like a type of cheese.

Roberto Mozzarella? Cracking player, plays double pivot in a 42211. Elegant and purposeful.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: He wears a magic hat on July 01, 2015, 09:57:15 PM

On sky sports 9m bid accepted for Gueye

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on July 01, 2015, 09:58:31 PM

I've heard we've had a bid accepted for Gianfranco Zola's younger brother...Gordon.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard E on July 01, 2015, 09:59:45 PM

Quote from: dave shelley on July 01, 2015, 09:58:31 PM

I've heard we've had a bid accepted for Gianfranco Zola's younger brother...Gordon.

And Charlie Edam from Stoke

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 01, 2015, 10:02:13 PM

And Dave Goat's Cheese

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on July 01, 2015, 10:03:12 PM

He is a Spanish Liam Ridgewell ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SashasGrandad on July 01, 2015, 10:08:53 PM

Wensley Dale - his grandfather was from Yorkshire

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: manic-road on July 01, 2015, 10:11:04 PM

Quote from: He wears a magic hat on July 01, 2015, 09:57:15 PM

On sky sports 9m bid accepted for Gueye

Is he any good?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 01, 2015, 10:11:40 PM

I think Roquefort Santa Cruz will go down well.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 01, 2015, 10:14:23 PM

Quote from: manic-road on July 01, 2015, 10:11:04 PM

Quote from: He wears a magic hat on July 01, 2015, 09:57:15 PM

On sky sports 9m bid accepted for Gueye

Is he any good?

He's a cracker

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on July 01, 2015, 10:14:41 PM

Jim Emmental reporting on it now.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: big 1st serve on July 01, 2015, 10:21:40 PM

Has Stinking Ian Bishop retired yet?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on July 01, 2015, 10:24:04 PM

No, but Monterey Jack has.

Enough!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 01, 2015, 10:31:38 PM

If, and it is a big if, we could get Cambiasso and this cheesy lad, plus one of the 2 left backs linked, we would start to look like we have the basis for a decent team. Accepting that Benteke is 50/50, I think Delph will stay, then a striker replacement for Benteke, a wide option and a right back and we could have a decent enough squad for next season to work with.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 01, 2015, 10:36:19 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 01, 2015, 10:31:38 PM

If, and it is a big if, we could get Cambiasso and this cheesy lad, plus one of the 2 left backs linked, we would start to look like we have the basis for a decent team. Accepting that Benteke is 50/50, I think Delph will stay, then a striker replacement for Benteke, a wide option and a right back and we could have a decent enough squad for next season to work with.

So, just the six in then Ozzjim! 😁

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 01, 2015, 10:42:35 PM

What is wrong with having some expectations, we have loped about with a relegation attitude for 4-5 years, I just can't see Sherwood, or indeed Wilkins having, or allowing that mentality.

With (if) Benteke going, and the links we have seen so far, we would possibly still be in credit too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Concrete John on July 01, 2015, 10:43:42 PM

I could live without a RB personally, but a LB is a must plus a better DCM than we currently have.  After that, it's all about if Benteke stays and how we reshape the attack if he goes.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve R on July 01, 2015, 10:43:45 PM

got to be the whey to go

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 01, 2015, 10:45:16 PM

Quote from: Newby on July 01, 2015, 10:36:19 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 01, 2015, 10:31:38 PM

If, and it is a big if, we could get Cambiasso and this cheesy lad, plus one of the 2 left backs linked, we would start to look like we have the basis for a decent team. Accepting that Benteke is 50/50, I think Delph will stay, then a striker replacement for Benteke, a wide option and a right back and we could have a decent enough squad for next season to work with.

So, just the six in then Ozzjim! 😁

Well, if this Marvin Gaye fellow signs tomorrow, he'd be our third one in so far so it's possible I suppose.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 01, 2015, 10:45:53 PM

Pretty much every club sells its best players at some point. Our task will be to replace them properly. Benteke, whether it is this summer or next will be playing for someone else. Like Sourhampton have done if we can reinvest that money well we can push on. Just because we sell good players it doesn't have to mean we are going to be worse. We can replace them and get better.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on July 01, 2015, 11:24:34 PM

Good point, and we are working from such a low starting base that having such a large sum of money to invest can see a big improvement all round very quickly.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on July 01, 2015, 11:34:24 PM

Quote from: manic-road on July 01, 2015, 10:11:04 PM

Quote from: He wears a magic hat on July 01, 2015, 09:57:15 PM

On sky sports 9m bid accepted for Gueye

Is he any good?

Apparently he a midfield controller who plays with lots of Brio, well know for coming out early before a game and Limburgering up...............Godzvilla!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 01, 2015, 11:41:21 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 01, 2015, 10:45:53 PM

Pretty much every club sells its best players at some point. Our task will be to replace them properly. Benteke, whether it is this summer or next will be playing for someone else. Like Sourhampton have done if we can reinvest that money well we can push on. Just because we sell good players it doesn't have to mean we are going to be worse. We can replace them and get better.

We can do that, the problem is, the last few years we've either not spent the money to replace them, or when we have spent it, we've pissed it all up the wall on useless knackers like Stephen Ireland or N'Zogbia.

If you spend it well, you're right, you can make it work for you. We're just on a relatively long run of spending it badly. Or not at all.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 02, 2015, 05:24:37 AM

well this time we have to hope we get it right, otherwise the inevitable is going to happen; we've been inching towards the trapdoor for years and now's the time for change. Be positive.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: simon ward 50 on July 02, 2015, 11:24:09 AM

Quote from: Steve Rose on July 01, 2015, 10:43:45 PM

got to be the whey to go

Think we should stop milking this now!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: adrenachrome on July 02, 2015, 11:25:56 AM

Liverpool Echo reckons Everton full-back Luke Garbutt on Aston Villa's radar (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-full-back-luke-garbutt-aston-9571784).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 02, 2015, 11:28:29 AM

Quote from: adrenachrome on July 02, 2015, 11:25:56 AM

Liverpool Echo reckons Everton full-back Luke Garbutt on Aston Villa's radar (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-full-back-luke-garbutt-aston-9571784).

A player who signed a new 5 year contract with his club less than 72 hours ago?

Probably not the most likely signing.

Edit: although the article does say it would be a loan. No thank you, in which case.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: adrenachrome on July 02, 2015, 11:41:31 AM

Quote from: Dave on July 02, 2015, 11:28:29 AM

Quote from: adrenachrome on July 02, 2015, 11:25:56 AM

Liverpool Echo reckons Everton full-back Luke Garbutt on Aston Villa's radar (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-full-back-luke-garbutt-aston-9571784).

A player who signed a new 5 year contract with his club less than 72 hours ago?

Probably not the most likely signing.

Edit: although the article does say it would be a loan. No thank you, in which case.

Yes, we would be developing him to eventually replace Baines.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 02, 2015, 01:55:32 PM

I don't mind loans from the top 4, but developing Everton players, no thanks, find someone else. Go and get the Swedish kid who looks an excellent prospect and would be ours. I like us having a couple of Scandinavians in the side!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on July 02, 2015, 03:02:53 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 01, 2015, 10:45:53 PM

Pretty much every club sells its best players at some point. Our task will be to replace them properly. Benteke, whether it is this summer or next will be playing for someone else. Like Sourhampton have done if we can reinvest that money well we can push on. Just because we sell good players it doesn't have to mean we are going to be worse. We can replace them and get better.

Some of Southampton's re-investment business hasnt been all that great. Osvaldo has his contract ripped up this week, Shane Long and Fraster Forster were hideously overpriced for two very average players. Mane does look a real quality player in fairness but Pelle and Tadic ran out of gas the longer last season went on.

Southampton have done well to get huge money for players whose reputations were a good bit higher than what they delivered on the pitch. - Lallana, Lovren, Shaw, Chambers. Shaw will come good I'm sure but not sure about the other three.

Something we need to learn from when it comes to Benteke this summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 02, 2015, 03:12:16 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on July 02, 2015, 03:02:53 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 01, 2015, 10:45:53 PM

Pretty much every club sells its best players at some point. Our task will be to replace them properly. Benteke, whether it is this summer or next will be playing for someone else. Like Sourhampton have done if we can reinvest that money well we can push on. Just because we sell good players it doesn't have to mean we are going to be worse. We can replace them and get better.

Some of Southampton's re-investment business hasnt been all that great. Osvaldo has his contract ripped up this week, Shane Long and Fraster Forster were hideously overpriced for two very average players. Mane does look a real quality player in fairness but Pelle and Tadic ran out of gas the longer last season went on.

Southampton have done well to get huge money for players whose reputations were a good bit higher than what they delivered on the pitch. - Lallana, Lovren, Shaw, Chambers. Shaw will come good I'm sure but not sure about the other three.

Something we need to learn from when it comes to Benteke this summer.

yep fair point but on the whole even with the signings that haven't been great they still remained strong and competitive. Which ultimately should be the goal.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 02, 2015, 08:15:35 PM

Any news ??

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Legion on July 02, 2015, 08:18:28 PM

No.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 02, 2015, 08:19:41 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 02, 2015, 08:15:35 PM

Any news ??

Val Doonican's died.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 02, 2015, 08:22:26 PM

That will do. Cheers .....

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on July 02, 2015, 08:32:41 PM

Allegedly.......Godzvilla!
Aston Villa on the verge of completing £12m double deal
July 2, 2015
http://www.shoot.co.uk/category/news

Aston Villa are reportedly closing in on the £12m double signing of Idrissa Gueye and Tjaronn Chery.

The former, a defensive midfielder, is understood to be in Birmingham today undergoing a medical after Villa agreed a fee of £8.5m with his club Lille, while the latter, a winger, looks set to complete a £3.5m transfer from Groningen.
The Midlands outfit’s boss Tim Sherwood is desperate to strengthen his team that narrowly avoided relegation from the Premier League last term, and has beaten off competition from West Ham, Crystal Palace and Southampton for Gueye, who is a Senegal international.

Chery will add some much needed creativity and goalscoring to the attack, with the 27-year-old forward scoring 15 goals in 34 Eredivisie appearances in the 2014/15 campaign

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 02, 2015, 08:34:30 PM

I like the sound of this Trojan Cherry.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 02, 2015, 08:36:36 PM

I'm also impressed with us reviving the long lost art of signing players that other clubs actually want.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 02, 2015, 08:46:20 PM

Chery looks more like the box to box replacement for Cleverley to sit the other side of the diamond from Delph, Gueye to be sat behind.

A nice increase in quality, with Sanchez and Westwood in the squad.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on July 02, 2015, 08:48:46 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 02, 2015, 08:36:36 PM

I'm also impressed with us reviving the long lost art of signing players that other clubs actually want.

Yes, even if I've still not heard of any of them

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 02, 2015, 09:01:52 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 02, 2015, 08:34:30 PM

I like the sound of this Trojan Cherry.

Let's hope he's not a cart horse.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SashasGrandad on July 02, 2015, 09:09:18 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 02, 2015, 08:19:41 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 02, 2015, 08:15:35 PM

Any news ??

Val Doonican's died.

Was he off his rocker?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 02, 2015, 09:10:05 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 02, 2015, 08:19:41 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 02, 2015, 08:15:35 PM

Any news ??

Val Doonican's died.

Was he any good at left back?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 02, 2015, 09:35:26 PM

Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 02, 2015, 09:10:05 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 02, 2015, 08:19:41 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 02, 2015, 08:15:35 PM

Any news ??

Val Doonican's died.

Was he any good at left back?

Not sure but Liverpool have just put in a £13 million bid for his corpse.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 02, 2015, 09:51:58 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 02, 2015, 09:35:26 PM

Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 02, 2015, 09:10:05 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 02, 2015, 08:19:41 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 02, 2015, 08:15:35 PM

Any news ??

Val Doonican's died.

Was he any good at left back?

Not sure but Liverpool have just put in a £13 million bid for his corpse.

How long has he been on Southampton's books?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 02, 2015, 10:35:50 PM

Guardian are running an interest in Dennis Praet of Anderlect. If you could add him in to Marvin, Delph and Cambiasso that diamond would be looking pretty tasty.Especially with Grealish, Westwood and Sanchez to add into it. Put a Cherry on top out wide and keep Benteke for another season and we might actually be fun to watch next season!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 02, 2015, 10:37:57 PM

How reliable a source is Shoot

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 02, 2015, 10:40:49 PM

Dunno, as a kid they did me with an April fool that Platt was coming back to the Villa. I was over the bloody moon, boyhood hero of my first couple of seasons going every week. The bastards.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 02, 2015, 10:41:09 PM

If we were in for praet plus gueye I think that would suggest we're either in the money or losing delph. Hard to think we'd prioritise two central midfielders if not one or the other.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: gervilla on July 02, 2015, 10:48:46 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 02, 2015, 10:40:49 PM

Dunno, as a kid they did me with an April fool that Platt was coming back to the Villa. I was over the bloody moon, boyhood hero of my first couple of seasons going every week. The bastards.

I remember that.  Bastards indeed.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 02, 2015, 10:51:09 PM

I think we needed 2 of quality though and if the dutch lad is more of a winger, then it would make sense. We have been desperate in midfield for a long time, if we signed a guy who french correspondents think is way above our level, a Belgian 21 year old who is reputedly very highly rated and a dutch guy who scored 15 and assisted 12 or something like that last season and just got into their national team, you could not argue that for the first time in a long time there is genuine ambition about the who thing. It might just make Delph want to keep leading it forward. Add in Richards which despite the injuries is a big deal of a signing, and you can see the attitude of the manager is very different to the last few years.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 02, 2015, 10:51:57 PM

Quote from: gervilla on July 02, 2015, 10:48:46 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 02, 2015, 10:40:49 PM

Dunno, as a kid they did me with an April fool that Platt was coming back to the Villa. I was over the bloody moon, boyhood hero of my first couple of seasons going every week. The bastards.

I remember that.  Bastards indeed.

Never bought it again. Did me like a kipper.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 02, 2015, 10:56:34 PM

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jul/02/aston-villa-anderlecht-dennis-praet

Blimey hope all this stuff is true....

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: nigel on July 02, 2015, 10:59:14 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 02, 2015, 08:19:41 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 02, 2015, 08:15:35 PM

Any news ??

Val Doonican's died.

Classic  ;D

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 02, 2015, 11:05:09 PM

Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 02, 2015, 10:56:34 PM

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jul/02/aston-villa-anderlecht-dennis-praet

Blimey hope all this stuff is true....

Why is the sub-heading and a third of the article all about who his agents are?

I thought better of the Guardian's sports reporting but it appears they're as click-whorey as the rest of them.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 02, 2015, 11:06:07 PM

@John__Percy reporting Villa have bid £7million bid for Dennis Praet and closes in on Idrissa Gueye

http://t.co/5aZXg0Ye8e #avfc

Misleading because we haven't bid

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on July 02, 2015, 11:06:29 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 02, 2015, 10:37:57 PM

How reliable a source is Shoot

Better than Match.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 02, 2015, 11:13:05 PM

We still need more in midfield really....Cole is just playing cards with Sherwood on the coach really, madness to give him a 2 year deal but he was still regularly making the 18 last few months, Cleverley is gone, Gil is going and hopefully some mug will take N'zogbia on loan.

So that leaves 4 vacancies for midfield which can be filled by Gueye, Praet/Cherry. Gardner coming back will probably be the other one.

So midfield options next season ideally:

Delph (C)
Westwood
Sanchez
Gardner (no idea how he'll look at prem level now after his injuries so loan him out again if he dosen't look like he'll cut it).
Gueye
Praet (no idea if link is genuine so probably the dutch guy more likely).

6 is enough as I'd imagine we'll keep on playing 3 centrally. I'd imagine Cherry or Praet would probably play number 10 position aswell alongside Grealish so really 3/5 and it's a long season, injuries, suspension etc.

Just don't see the need to go in a wild panic and think we're selling Delph if we sign more than one midfielder, we've neglected that area for so long now, quality is overdue there.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 02, 2015, 11:18:43 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 02, 2015, 10:41:09 PM

If we were in for praet plus gueye I think that would suggest we're either in the money or losing delph. Hard to think we'd prioritise two central midfielders if not one or the other.

Why losing Delph? Cleverley has to be replaced, Gardner still has to convince, Sanchez has yet to consistently show his international form (I hope he does, a la Stan after his somewhat unconvincing start), and is Westwood the man to drive us up the table? We're hardly overrun with bodies in there.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 02, 2015, 11:52:09 PM

Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 02, 2015, 10:56:34 PM

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jul/02/aston-villa-anderlecht-dennis-praet

Blimey hope all this stuff is true....

Might be pure speculation, but there have been some really promising links in the last few weeks.  If we can keep Delph and Benteke, while adding the type of players we are being linked with then we should be on the right track.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on July 03, 2015, 12:00:35 AM

I remember seeing Koeman wanted Praet to replace Schneiderlin.. good to see we are beating them to the punch on a few prospects. Also, Praet was at Genk so maybe he'll have a little pull with Tekkers.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 03, 2015, 12:04:11 AM

Quote from: villadelph on July 03, 2015, 12:00:35 AM

I remember seeing Koeman wanted Praet to replace Schneiderlin.. good to see we are beating the to punch on a few prospects. Also, Praet was at Genk so maybe he'll have a little pull with Tekkers.

Saucy!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: b23 on July 03, 2015, 12:44:45 AM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 02, 2015, 08:19:41 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 02, 2015, 08:15:35 PM

Any news ??

Val Doonican's died.

And Ken Dodd.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on July 03, 2015, 01:48:02 AM

Apologies if already mentioned.
Aston Villa have joined Everton and Southampton in considering a move for highly rated Belgium midfielder Dennis Praet from Anderlecht, with the 21-year-old set to cost in the region of £10m. (Guardian)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 03, 2015, 04:30:55 AM

God  how many midfielders do we want?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 03, 2015, 04:49:31 AM

As many as is required to significantly improve us. After Delph the standard drops off dramatically and we need at least 2 more of that level and preferably better.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on July 03, 2015, 07:50:48 AM

Quote from: b23 on July 03, 2015, 12:44:45 AM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 02, 2015, 08:19:41 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 02, 2015, 08:15:35 PM

Any news ??

Val Doonican's died.

And Ken Dodd.

And his Dad's dog?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Eckybloke on July 03, 2015, 08:12:42 AM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 03, 2015, 04:30:55 AM

God  how many midfielders do we want?

Maybe this is the Spurs connection that Tim brings.  :)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dr Butler on July 03, 2015, 08:13:41 AM

Quote from: PeterWithe on July 03, 2015, 07:50:48 AM

Quote from: b23 on July 03, 2015, 12:44:45 AM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 02, 2015, 08:19:41 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 02, 2015, 08:15:35 PM

Any news ??

Val Doonican's died.

And Ken Dodd.

And his Dad's dog?

Ken Dodd's Dad's dogs dead ?

:)
UTV
The Doc

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: andyh on July 03, 2015, 08:42:27 AM

Helenius has officially joined Aaborg on a free, apparently.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 03, 2015, 08:49:06 AM

Quote from: andyh on July 03, 2015, 08:42:27 AM

Helenius has officially joined Aaborg on a free, apparently.

Just confirmed over here. Free transfer & 2 year contract.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villasjf on July 03, 2015, 09:10:50 AM

He will be remembered for a long time.....by having his shorts pulled down in front of the Holte End. I would have thought we could have got some cash for him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 03, 2015, 09:19:55 AM

Quote from: villasjf on July 03, 2015, 09:10:50 AM

He will be remembered for a long time.....by having his shorts pulled down in front of the Holte End. I would have thought we could have got some cash for him.

Like £5 notes?

Title: Dennis Praet
Post by: Do u want 2bet against us on July 03, 2015, 09:36:14 AM

Just watched a Scout Nation vid on You Tube as we appear to be looking at him.   WOW!!! Looks a really positive attacking midfielder.

Title: Re: Dennis Praet
Post by: mr underhill on July 03, 2015, 09:47:55 AM

deft editing could have made Eddie the Eagle look dead good too.

Title: Re: Dennis Praet
Post by: Do u want 2bet against us on July 03, 2015, 09:52:22 AM

Nowt wrong with King Eddie ... he had guts doing what he did

Title: Re: Dennis Praet
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on July 03, 2015, 09:59:25 AM

It's about time we had a Dennis in midfield again.

Title: Re: Dennis Praet
Post by: Matt Collins on July 03, 2015, 10:05:07 AM

Don't know him but by reputation I'd have thought he'd be looking at a better side than us.

Title: Re: Dennis Praet
Post by: Do u want 2bet against us on July 03, 2015, 10:06:13 AM

Agreed LP.   Those late unseen runs past centre backs marking Withe and Shaw ... ooh what memories

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 03, 2015, 10:08:56 AM

No need for a separate thread on Dennis yet, especially as it's fairly unlikely we will get him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on July 03, 2015, 10:13:45 AM

At least we are in the hat for some decent players again. Another summer of Sheff Utd, Crewe and Chesterfield links and I'd be depressed.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: CJ on July 03, 2015, 10:30:20 AM

Quote from: aj2k77 on July 03, 2015, 10:13:45 AM

At least we are in the hat for some decent players again. Another summer of Sheff Utd, Crewe and Chesterfield links and I'd be depressed.

Likewise. Lambert's 'young and hungry' mostly turned out to be 'cheap and not really good enough' (with the odd exception of course). Much more encouraged by the players we seem to be going for in this window.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 03, 2015, 10:46:32 AM

Not sure where to put it but Helenius has joined AaB on a two year deal on a free transfer! Money wasted there

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 03, 2015, 10:47:57 AM

The Belgian journalist who seems to know what's what has tweeted that Anderlecht have offered Praet to us.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 03, 2015, 11:18:05 AM

On a complete tangent, it's all gone very quiet on Bakary Sako. There were some murmurings on Twitter last week that his agent had relaxed his salary demands and that he wanted to stay in the Midlands. On a free transfer, i think he'd be well worth a shot. Certainly a cheaper alternative to Andros Townsend.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 03, 2015, 11:31:15 AM

Interesting article on the Guardian website about how each club buys players. Here's our one:

Aston Villa

The club have created an informal committee to oversee transfers that includes Tom Fox, the chief executive, Patrick Reilly, the director of recruitment, Sharon Barnhurst, the club secretary, and Tim Sherwood, the manager. With the backing of Randy Lerner, Villa’s owner, Fox gets the financial framework of any transfer deal approved but is not involved in negotiating with the agent, which he leaves to Barnhurst and Reilly. Sherwood is not keen on working within a continental structure – Villa never filled the director of football operations position that was advertised at the start of the year – and likes full control of transfers.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: exigo on July 03, 2015, 11:52:38 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 03, 2015, 09:47:55 AM

deft editing could have made Eddie the Eagle look dead good too.

There's a four minute film of me playing left back at Villa Park that makes me look unplayable. The fact that I had to edit it from an hour and a half of general shite is neither here nor there.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on July 03, 2015, 12:50:31 PM

Goodbye and good luck, Nicklas......."we hardly knew ye ".................Godzvilla!

Nicklas Helenius Departs Aston Villa
No official confirmation at the moment but reports are just filtering out saying that Nicklas Helenius has re-joined AaB Aalborg on a free transfer.

The 24-year-old striker cost Villa £1.2million in 2013, but seldom featured (played 6 times).

Read more: http://www.astonvilla.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=7519073#ixzz3epOxldza

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: nigel on July 03, 2015, 12:50:43 PM

Quote from: b23 on July 03, 2015, 12:44:45 AM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 02, 2015, 08:19:41 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 02, 2015, 08:15:35 PM

Any news ??

Val Doonican's died.

And Ken Dodd.

I hope that's either a joke or a mistake

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eric woolban woolban on July 03, 2015, 01:16:47 PM

Ken Dodd died.

Did he?

No, Doddy.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 03, 2015, 03:11:37 PM

Quote from: eric woolban woolban on July 03, 2015, 01:16:47 PM

Ken Dodd died.

Did he?

No, Doddy.

Cheers, just did that one at work. Bloke in the smoking hut set me up perfect with the 'did he' bit.😀

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on July 03, 2015, 03:58:55 PM

An added rumour for today. I thought I see Herbert in a Weatherspoons in Slough. It looked like Deadly. Then I considered for a second and came to the conclusion that Herberts probably a bit too tight fisted to fork out for a Spoons fish supper. So it probably wasn't him.

As you were gents.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 03, 2015, 04:06:41 PM

Quote from: supertom on July 03, 2015, 03:58:55 PM

An added rumour for today. I thought I see Herbert in a Weatherspoons in Slough. It looked like Deadly. Then I considered for a second and came to the conclusion that Herberts probably a bit too tight fisted to fork out for a Spoons fish supper. So it probably wasn't him.

As you were gents.

Doug wouldn't pay for a meal. That will be £12.06 sir and have a nice day!

Do you know WHO I AM young man!  Fetch me the manager NOW!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 03, 2015, 05:35:57 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 03, 2015, 04:06:41 PM

Quote from: supertom on July 03, 2015, 03:58:55 PM

An added rumour for today. I thought I see Herbert in a Weatherspoons in Slough. It looked like Deadly. Then I considered for a second and came to the conclusion that Herberts probably a bit too tight fisted to fork out for a Spoons fish supper. So it probably wasn't him.

As you were gents.

Doug wouldn't pay for a meal. That will be £12.06 sir and have a nice day!

Do you know WHO I AM young man!  Fetch me the manager NOW!

"An apple saved is a shilling best spent".

Or something.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paulcomben on July 03, 2015, 08:05:22 PM

Every single player Lambert signed on his way out and only 2 question marks in, so far. A ludicrously huge amount has to be done in just 5 weeks.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on July 03, 2015, 09:21:44 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 03, 2015, 08:05:22 PM

Every single player Lambert signed on his way out and only 2 question marks in, so far. A ludicrously huge amount has to be done in just 5 weeks.

Genuinely disagree. Getting rid of the deadwood and Lambert himself is such a massive upgrade.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: warleyboy on July 03, 2015, 09:57:14 PM

Deadwood had to go and hopefully a few more still...

I'm completely happy with what Tim seems to be doing, we are looking at prem league players who are from winning teams.

Would like to see a few young English players on top of what we have and Austin.

The futures bright, the futures VILLA

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 03, 2015, 11:18:42 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 03, 2015, 08:05:22 PM

Every single player Lambert signed on his way out and only 2 question marks in, so far. A ludicrously huge amount has to be done in just 5 weeks.

I've not heard a single rumour about Kozak, Guzan, Okore, Senderos, Sanchez, Westwood, Cissokho, Bennett or Steer leaving us.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villan from luton on July 03, 2015, 11:24:22 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 03, 2015, 11:18:42 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 03, 2015, 08:05:22 PM

Every single player Lambert signed on his way out and only 2 question marks in, so far. A ludicrously huge amount has to be done in just 5 weeks.

I've not heard a single rumour about Kozak, Guzan, Okore, Senderos, Sanchez, Westwood, Cissokho, Bennett or Steer leaving us.

Other than them, have you heard a single rumour though, so stop nit picking, oh what about Joe Cole?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 03, 2015, 11:28:40 PM

It's a pretty good counter argument although Guzan and Cissokho don't seem to be Sherwood's favourites and may be available. We've been linked with left backs too so we'll have to wait and see what happens with Bennett.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villan from luton on July 03, 2015, 11:33:16 PM

Quote from: OCD on July 03, 2015, 11:28:40 PM

It's a pretty good counter argument although Guzan and Cissokho don't seem to be Sherwood's favourites and may be available. We've been linked with left backs too so we'll have to wait and see what happens with Bennett.

I am pretty certain Senderos wont be a favourite lol. The manager will have to change things, we have been shite for too long and he has to be given the chance to make his own squad. Lets hope Bill Gates gives him proper funds when the takeover is announced next week :-(

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: wozwebs on July 03, 2015, 11:34:03 PM

Aston Villa have tabled a £9million bid for Nice left-back Jordan Amavi.
Tim Sherwood made the offer yesterday and hopes for permission to fly in the young defender this weekend.
Amavi, a France Under-21, was hotly tipped to move this summer, with many leading clubs interested, but Villa have jumped to the front of the queue after putting cash on the table.
Sherwood insists his side needs cover at left-back and Amavi, 21, is both a quick defender and comfortable going forward.
Nice are prepared to sell and insiders revealed that the fee has been ‘virtually agreed’.
Villa have also just completed a £9m deal for Lille’s midfield dynamo Idrissa Gueye.
It is a coup for Villa with Gueye snubbing French giants Marseille because he fancies playing in the Premier League.
The 25-year-old passed a medical and finalised terms on a four-year contract yesterday — subject to international clearance.
And the Senegalese star becomes Villa’s biggest deal for four-and-a-half years since Darren Bent signed from Sunderland in an £18m deal which rose to £24m.
Gueye said: “Everyone knows England has a league that attracts me, now this is a dream move.”
Southampton, West Ham and Crystal Palace all bid for Gueye, who played over 130 games for Ligue 1 Lille.
But Villa insist Gueye is not a replacement for England midfielder Fabian Delph, 25, who has an £8m release clause in his deal and is on Manchester City’s radar.
Sources close to the club say Villa expect Delph and Spurs and Liverpool target Christian Benteke to be on board when Villa fly to Albufeira for pre- season training next week.
And Sherwood is still optimistic about landing Dutch midfielder Tjaronn Chery, 27, as Groningen prepare to accept a £3.5m offer.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tom jennings III on July 04, 2015, 02:15:14 AM

These two signings (if they happen, ITSOTP etc...) would absolutely galvanize my faith in Villa over the next few months.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 04, 2015, 02:31:58 AM

Quote from: tom jennings III on July 04, 2015, 02:15:14 AM

These two signings (if they happen, ITSOTP etc...) would absolutely galvanize my faith in Villa over the next few months.

They would be a step in the right direction, but there would still be more work to be done.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on July 04, 2015, 04:32:56 AM

It is all very positive and does beg the question what is happening behind the scenes...potentially depressing sales of our best players could fund these deals leaving us pretty much as we were, or alternatively it good be exciting times ahead with FFP being relaxed, a takeover on the cards and our best players staying for at least another year on their current or improved contracts.

It hasn't been mentioned much as yet, but may be...just may be...we could be about to be taken over by someone or a consortium with money to burn on transfers.

...and yes, I'm optimistically pissed at the moment! :)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 04, 2015, 05:19:01 AM

Lerner is back baby.

(http://reactiongifs.me/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/I-am-rich-floyd-mayweather-throwing-money.gif)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 04, 2015, 05:54:44 AM

Quote from: tomd2103 on July 04, 2015, 02:31:58 AM

Quote from: tom jennings III on July 04, 2015, 02:15:14 AM

These two signings (if they happen, ITSOTP etc...) would absolutely galvanize my faith in Villa over the next few months.

They would be a step in the right direction, but there would still be more work to be done.

Classic villa fan! If we sign two players for nearly £20m that will indicate a really big change in approach. You wouldn't have thought it's the benteke money given the positions of the players. We'll need to buy two attacking players to replace big ben's goals you'd think.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on July 04, 2015, 05:55:19 AM

Gueye in £9m
Praet heavily linked £10m
Amavi heavily linked £9m
Chery heavily linked £3.5

= near enough £32.5m

Judging by other managers first window they do get to spend more than the next but it's head scratching as to where these large sums are coming from if it's not our best players being sold.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 04, 2015, 06:00:17 AM

Maybe. But it could be an impending take over / us having cleared our debts / a massive influx of TV money / getting bent, cleverley, possibly vlaar, benteke and who knows delph off the wage bill

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: hartman_1982 on July 04, 2015, 06:39:54 AM

I think the point being made that if you were spending the money coming in from Benteke then surely some of it would have gone on a target man?

Fingers crossed the takeover is looming....

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 04, 2015, 06:56:19 AM

http://youtu.be/i79wDoovhQQ

Praet. Looks good from the ever unreliable YouTube reel

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 04, 2015, 06:58:55 AM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on July 04, 2015, 05:55:19 AM

Gueye in £9m
Praet heavily linked £10m
Amavi heavily linked £9m
Chery heavily linked £3.5

= near enough £32.5m

Judging by other managers first window they do get to spend more than the next but it's head scratching as to where these large sums are coming from if it's not our best players being sold.

Gueye hasn't been signed up yet.It is not up on the OS.When it is I will believe it!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on July 04, 2015, 07:09:09 AM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 04, 2015, 06:58:55 AM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on July 04, 2015, 05:55:19 AM

Gueye in £9m
Praet heavily linked £10m
Amavi heavily linked £9m
Chery heavily linked £3.5

= near enough £32.5m

Judging by other managers first window they do get to spend more than the next but it's head scratching as to where these large sums are coming from if it's not our best players being sold.

Gueye hasn't been signed up yet. It's not up on the OS, when it is I will believe it!

The OS haven't even mentioned Helenius being released and re-signed by another club and that was 3 days ago.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on July 04, 2015, 08:11:23 AM

Quote from: hartman_1982 on July 04, 2015, 06:39:54 AM

I think the point being made that if you were spending the money coming in from Benteke then surely some of it would have gone on a target man?

Fingers crossed the takeover is looming....

We don't know anything about Kozak's recovery, but if the club is optimistic about that, I don't think they need to go out of their way to ensure that the (hypothetical) replacement striker is a target man. So long as they can score goals and fit in with the rest of our players, methinks.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: gervilla on July 04, 2015, 08:15:45 AM

Isn't this coming season the worst season to go down and miss out on the new TV deal money which kicks in the season after ?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on July 04, 2015, 08:17:28 AM

I would also like us to go back in for Robert Beric. He seems to know where the goal is and for £4m could be good business for both clubs.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on July 04, 2015, 09:08:59 AM

Quote from: passitsideways on July 04, 2015, 08:11:23 AM

Quote from: hartman_1982 on July 04, 2015, 06:39:54 AM

I think the point being made that if you were spending the money coming in from Benteke then surely some of it would have gone on a target man?

Fingers crossed the takeover is looming....

We don't know anything about Kozak's recovery, but if the club is optimistic about that, I don't think they need to go out of their way to ensure that the (hypothetical) replacement striker is a target man. So long as they can score goals and fit in with the rest of our players, methinks.

Unrealistic to think Sherwood would rely on Kozak having probably never seen him play close up in a match and, importantly, coming back from a serious injury that he may not fully recover from.  It does not matter how he looks in training or in practice matches, his fitness will not be truly tested until he is back playing in the 1st team at PL level.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on July 04, 2015, 09:47:47 AM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on July 04, 2015, 05:55:19 AM

Gueye in £9m
Praet heavily linked £10m
Amavi heavily linked £9m

Chery heavily linked £3.5

= near enough £32.5m

Judging by other managers first window they do get to spend more than the next but it's head scratching as to where these large sums are coming from if it's not our best players being sold.

Christmas coming early at Villa Park this year ?........Godzvilla!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViZ0d7rdpxc

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ryu on July 04, 2015, 09:55:15 AM

Didn't we already have a bid of about 5m accepted for amavi but couldn't agree terms?

Edit:  Apparently not, although the accepted opinion seemed to be he didn't fancy us. Goes to show what the Internet goes I suppose.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passport1 on July 04, 2015, 10:02:14 AM

Looks like the same pattern as Spurs a couple if years back and Liverpool last summer when they went on sprees with the Bale and Suarez money. I just hope it is not the same outcome.

Very difficult to bring in a big group of players in and integrate them seamlessly.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on July 04, 2015, 10:07:13 AM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 04, 2015, 06:58:55 AM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on July 04, 2015, 05:55:19 AM

Gueye in £9m
Praet heavily linked £10m
Amavi heavily linked £9m
Chery heavily linked £3.5

= near enough £32.5m

Judging by other managers first window they do get to spend more than the next but it's head scratching as to where these large sums are coming from if it's not our best players being sold.

Gueye hasn't been signed up yet.It is not up on the OS.When it is I will believe it!

I don't think he can be officially announced till work permit  comes through.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 04, 2015, 10:17:08 AM

Quote from: passport1 on July 04, 2015, 10:02:14 AM

Looks like the same pattern as Spurs a couple if years back and Liverpool last summer when they went on sprees with the Bale and Suarez money. I just hope it is not the same outcome.

Very difficult to bring in a big group of players in and integrate them seamlessly.

Or we could just sign one player and stay shit.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passport1 on July 04, 2015, 10:29:44 AM

Or we could build around our best players and not stay shit.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on July 04, 2015, 10:32:34 AM

Quote from: passport1 on July 04, 2015, 10:02:14 AM

Looks like the same pattern as Spurs a couple if years back and Liverpool last summer when they went on sprees with the Bale and Suarez money. I just hope it is not the same outcome.

Very difficult to bring in a big group of players in and integrate them seamlessly.

It's far easier if they are a significant upgrade on the players you already have

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 04, 2015, 12:18:11 PM

Quote from: passport1 on July 04, 2015, 10:02:14 AM

Looks like the same pattern as Spurs a couple if years back and Liverpool last summer when they went on sprees with the Bale and Suarez money. I just hope it is not the same outcome.

Very difficult to bring in a big group of players in and integrate them seamlessly.

That's true but we're starting from a much lower base than Spurs were. We finished 17th therefore I'd say spending big money on several quality players a gives us a decent chance of improvemevt.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 04, 2015, 12:49:29 PM

Quote from: passport1 on July 04, 2015, 10:29:44 AM

Or we could build around our best players and not stay shit.

The problem is. If our "best players" leave we are stuck with an average group. So bringing in quality is a must. If our best players then stay, we have a much better chance of moving up the table ......

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 04, 2015, 12:57:23 PM

If our best players leave then we have to use that money and anything else we have assigned for this summer ok ensuring the overall group improves. Losing Benteke and Delph would be a kick in the balls but we did finish 17th with them in the side.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: hartman_1982 on July 04, 2015, 01:31:26 PM

Quote from: passport1 on July 04, 2015, 10:02:14 AM

Looks like the same pattern as Spurs a couple if years back and Liverpool last summer when they went on sprees with the Bale and Suarez money. I just hope it is not the same outcome.

Very difficult to bring in a big group of players in and integrate them seamlessly.

Liverpool bought a lot of players who weren't as good as what they had, Spurs bought 5 attacking midfielders. It seems we are buying better than what we have and spreading it around the squad. Doomed if you do, doomed if you don't....

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frank black on July 04, 2015, 02:49:53 PM

Thank god for copy and paste.

Aston Villa have launched a surprise bid for Kayseri Erciyesspor’s Oğulcan Çağlayan according to turkish-football.com sources

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Legion on July 04, 2015, 02:51:48 PM

That's easy for you to say.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: CT on July 04, 2015, 03:17:27 PM

There's only one Oğulcan Çağlayan. I can hear it now!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 04, 2015, 03:49:00 PM

People still mess up the spelling of Clark, we're screwed in that sense if we get him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 04, 2015, 03:52:28 PM

The man will need a nick name pronto. How about Oggy?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 04, 2015, 03:56:59 PM

Fry's (Turkish Delight)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on July 04, 2015, 04:32:58 PM

Possible link, ´our´ Scylla played for  Erciyesspor last season, could be he put in a good word with T.S.(?).......Godzvilla!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 04, 2015, 04:48:36 PM

Quote from: godzvilla on July 04, 2015, 04:32:58 PM

Possible link, ´our´ Scylla played for  Erciyesspor last season, could be he put in a good word with T.S.(?).......Godzvilla!

I reckon that would probably make Tonev Lambert's Charybdis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Between_Scylla_and_Charybdis).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 04, 2015, 05:49:15 PM

We've twice replaced our best player  (Platt, Yorke) with a bunch of other players and improved significantly as a result. We're much further away from competing at the top of the league now but finishing fourteenth would be the best we've managed in years and that should definitely be achievable.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eamonn on July 04, 2015, 06:09:11 PM

14th? Come on, let's get giddy and go for 11th.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Risso on July 04, 2015, 06:16:33 PM

Quote from: eamonn on July 04, 2015, 06:09:11 PM

14th? Come on, let's get giddy and go for 11th.

Phew, steady now.  No need for that unbridled optimism, we'll all get nose bleeds.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 04, 2015, 06:30:05 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 04, 2015, 05:49:15 PM

We've twice replaced our best player  (Platt, Yorke) with a bunch of other players and improved significantly as a result. We're much further away from competing at the top of the league now but finishing fourteenth would be the best we've managed in years and that should definitely be achievable.

Your examples are valid, but are now 17 and 24 years ago. I don't know if I'd attach too much relevance to those

We should be able to improve to 14th as is, really.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 04, 2015, 06:35:41 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 04, 2015, 06:30:05 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 04, 2015, 05:49:15 PM

We've twice replaced our best player  (Platt, Yorke) with a bunch of other players and improved significantly as a result. We're much further away from competing at the top of the league now but finishing fourteenth would be the best we've managed in years and that should definitely be achievable.

Your examples are valid, but are now 17 and 24 years ago. I don't know if I'd attach too much relevance to those

We should be able to improve to 14th as is, really.

I'd also argue whether we 'improved significantly' following Yorke's sale.

I wouldn't have said that we got worse, but going from 5th to 7th to 6th to 8th isn't really what I'd call a significant improvement.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 04, 2015, 07:12:53 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 04, 2015, 06:30:05 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 04, 2015, 05:49:15 PM

We've twice replaced our best player  (Platt, Yorke) with a bunch of other players and improved significantly as a result. We're much further away from competing at the top of the league now but finishing fourteenth would be the best we've managed in years and that should definitely be achievable.

Your examples are valid, but are now 17 and 24 years ago. I don't know if I'd attach too much relevance to those

We should be able to improve to 14th as is, really.

I know it's a smallish sample size, but didn't our points return under Sherwood work out to 49 points over the course of a full season, which would have put us 10th or 11th?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ger Regan on July 04, 2015, 07:56:04 PM

By my reckoning sherwood's results if stretched out over an entire season would have us on 43. I think that calculation was done before the end of the season, so the last two results would obviously have had a negative impact on the average.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: exigo on July 04, 2015, 08:35:14 PM

From Stoke at home, in the Premier League: LLWWLLDWLWWLL

16 points from 13 games equals 1.23 points per game.
Over a 38 game season, this would pro up to 46.77.

47 points last season would have put us level with Everton and West Ham in 11th and 12th.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ger Regan on July 04, 2015, 09:04:41 PM

Ah, I was basing it on 14 games played, not 13. Probably because I'm an idiot.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 04, 2015, 09:09:53 PM

Quote from: Ger Regan on July 04, 2015, 09:04:41 PM

Ah, I was basing it on 14 games played, not 13. Probably because I'm an idiot.

Although it's all a load of bollocks really. Doesn't stop you being an idiot though ;-).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 04, 2015, 09:10:22 PM

Which while not brilliant would be a welcome advancement on our regular flirts with disaster

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 04, 2015, 09:14:10 PM

All I've wanted for a few years now has been a season where we've never been in trouble of going down. Solid mid-table position and then push on from there.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on July 04, 2015, 09:32:14 PM

Quote from: frank black on July 04, 2015, 02:49:53 PM

Thank god for copy and paste.

Aston Villa have launched a surprise bid for Kayseri Erciyesspor’s Oğulcan Çağlayan according to turkish-football.com sources

Pronounced Ulujan Chaulian ...simple really!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paulcomben on July 04, 2015, 10:58:04 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 03, 2015, 11:18:42 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 03, 2015, 08:05:22 PM

Every single player Lambert signed on his way out and only 2 question marks in, so far. A ludicrously huge amount has to be done in just 5 weeks.

I've not heard a single rumour about Kozak, Guzan, Okore, Senderos, Sanchez, Westwood, Cissokho, Bennett or Steer leaving us.

I have. But you are the expert. Which if any of those squad players would be missed, really?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 04, 2015, 11:05:28 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 04, 2015, 10:58:04 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 03, 2015, 11:18:42 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 03, 2015, 08:05:22 PM

Every single player Lambert signed on his way out and only 2 question marks in, so far. A ludicrously huge amount has to be done in just 5 weeks.

I've not heard a single rumour about Kozak, Guzan, Okore, Senderos, Sanchez, Westwood, Cissokho, Bennett or Steer leaving us.

I have. But you are the expert. Which if any of those squad players would be missed, really?

You've heard rumours about Westwood, Sanchez, Senderos, Kozak, Okore and Steer leaving?

Really?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paulcomben on July 04, 2015, 11:28:47 PM

Edit.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 04, 2015, 11:33:07 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 04, 2015, 10:58:04 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 03, 2015, 11:18:42 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 03, 2015, 08:05:22 PM

Every single player Lambert signed on his way out and only 2 question marks in, so far. A ludicrously huge amount has to be done in just 5 weeks.

I've not heard a single rumour about Kozak, Guzan, Okore, Senderos, Sanchez, Westwood, Cissokho, Bennett or Steer leaving us.

I have. But you are the expert. Which if any of those squad players would be missed, really?

Well for starters, I'd say Guzan, Okore and Sanchez would definitely leave an unnecessarily large hole in the match day squad plus based on pre injury evidence for us and in Italy, Kozak.

On top of that Westwood has spells where he looks the part at this level and is probably worth keeping around.

So who's off and where to?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 05, 2015, 01:04:39 AM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 04, 2015, 10:58:04 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 03, 2015, 11:18:42 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 03, 2015, 08:05:22 PM

Every single player Lambert signed on his way out and only 2 question marks in, so far. A ludicrously huge amount has to be done in just 5 weeks.

I've not heard a single rumour about Kozak, Guzan, Okore, Senderos, Sanchez, Westwood, Cissokho, Bennett or Steer leaving us.

I have. But you are the expert. Which if any of those squad players would be missed, really?

Is this some sort of parallel universe stuff? Is some inception shit going down?

Congratulations Dave for being an expert at something.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 05, 2015, 10:11:12 AM

Seems like there are a few reports in the Dutch media that Chery will sign for us this week.

The Club really seem to be making a strategic delve into the European market which, whilst surprising in that Sherwood's made a lot of noise about promoting young English talent, does seem like a sensible approach given that the disparity between the finances in The Premiership and Europe's other top leagues has never been greater. Some reports are suggesting that Gueye weekly earnings will go from £14k to £40k while Marseille were only able / willing to offer £25k.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on July 05, 2015, 10:53:47 AM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 04, 2015, 11:33:07 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 04, 2015, 10:58:04 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 03, 2015, 11:18:42 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 03, 2015, 08:05:22 PM

Every single player Lambert signed on his way out and only 2 question marks in, so far. A ludicrously huge amount has to be done in just 5 weeks.

I've not heard a single rumour about Kozak, Guzan, Okore, Senderos, Sanchez, Westwood, Cissokho, Bennett or Steer leaving us.

I have. But you are the expert. Which if any of those squad players would be missed, really?

Well for starters, I'd say Guzan, Okore and Sanchez would definitely leave an unnecessarily large hole in the match day squad plus based on pre injury evidence for us and in Italy, Kozak.

On top of that Westwood has spells where he looks the part at this level and is probably worth keeping around.

So who's off and where to?

I'm of to the co-op to get some breakfast buns

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villabear on July 05, 2015, 11:22:06 AM

Quote from: john e on July 05, 2015, 10:53:47 AM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 04, 2015, 11:33:07 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 04, 2015, 10:58:04 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 03, 2015, 11:18:42 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 03, 2015, 08:05:22 PM

Every single player Lambert signed on his way out and only 2 question marks in, so far. A ludicrously huge amount has to be done in just 5 weeks.

I've not heard a single rumour about Kozak, Guzan, Okore, Senderos, Sanchez, Westwood, Cissokho, Bennett or Steer leaving us.

I have. But you are the expert. Which if any of those squad players would be missed, really?

Well for starters, I'd say Guzan, Okore and Sanchez would definitely leave an unnecessarily large hole in the match day squad plus based on pre injury evidence for us and in Italy, Kozak.

On top of that Westwood has spells where he looks the part at this level and is probably worth keeping around.

So who's off and where to?

I'm of to the co-op to get some breakfast buns

Baps surely?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 05, 2015, 11:25:28 AM

Xherden Shaqiri would be a great move. Let us challenge stoke and put an offer in. I'm not foolish enough to suggest throw in nzogbia in the deal. That's for the sterling and Ramos bids as bait ! Imagine!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Legion on July 05, 2015, 11:27:21 AM

Cobs.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on July 05, 2015, 11:29:27 AM

Quote from: villabear on July 05, 2015, 11:22:06 AM

Quote from: john e on July 05, 2015, 10:53:47 AM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 04, 2015, 11:33:07 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 04, 2015, 10:58:04 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 03, 2015, 11:18:42 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 03, 2015, 08:05:22 PM

Every single player Lambert signed on his way out and only 2 question marks in, so far. A ludicrously huge amount has to be done in just 5 weeks.

I've not heard a single rumour about Kozak, Guzan, Okore, Senderos, Sanchez, Westwood, Cissokho, Bennett or Steer leaving us.

I have. But you are the expert. Which if any of those squad players would be missed, really?

Well for starters, I'd say Guzan, Okore and Sanchez would definitely leave an unnecessarily large hole in the match day squad plus based on pre injury evidence for us and in Italy, Kozak.

On top of that Westwood has spells where he looks the part at this level and is probably worth keeping around.

So who's off and where to?

I'm of to the co-op to get some breakfast buns

Baps surely?

I do like baps, but I don't think we talking about the same thing

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: nigel on July 05, 2015, 11:52:18 AM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 04, 2015, 11:33:07 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 04, 2015, 10:58:04 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 03, 2015, 11:18:42 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 03, 2015, 08:05:22 PM

Every single player Lambert signed on his way out and only 2 question marks in, so far. A ludicrously huge amount has to be done in just 5 weeks.

I've not heard a single rumour about Kozak, Guzan, Okore, Senderos, Sanchez, Westwood, Cissokho, Bennett or Steer leaving us.

I have. But you are the expert. Which if any of those squad players would be missed, really?

Well for starters, I'd say Guzan, Okore and Sanchez would definitely leave an unnecessarily large hole in the match day squad plus based on pre injury evidence for us and in Italy, Kozak.

On top of that Westwood has spells where he looks the part at this level and is probably worth keeping around.

So who's off and where to?

Agree, ViD.
Guzan is still a top keeper, his recent performance for the US is testimony to that.
Okore and Sanchez are both new to the Prem so are still learning. Both have shown that they have the ability, it's just about doing it week in and week out.
Westwood will get better when the players around him are better.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aev on July 05, 2015, 12:20:59 PM

Quote from: john e on July 05, 2015, 11:29:27 AM

Quote from: villabear on July 05, 2015, 11:22:06 AM

Quote from: john e on July 05, 2015, 10:53:47 AM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 04, 2015, 11:33:07 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 04, 2015, 10:58:04 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 03, 2015, 11:18:42 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 03, 2015, 08:05:22 PM

Every single player Lambert signed on his way out and only 2 question marks in, so far. A ludicrously huge amount has to be done in just 5 weeks.

I've not heard a single rumour about Kozak, Guzan, Okore, Senderos, Sanchez, Westwood, Cissokho, Bennett or Steer leaving us.

I have. But you are the expert. Which if any of those squad players would be missed, really?

Well for starters, I'd say Guzan, Okore and Sanchez would definitely leave an unnecessarily large hole in the match day squad plus based on pre injury evidence for us and in Italy, Kozak.

On top of that Westwood has spells where he looks the part at this level and is probably worth keeping around.

So who's off and where to?

I'm of to the co-op to get some breakfast buns

Baps surely?

I do like baps, but I don't think we talking about the same thing

(.)(.)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 05, 2015, 12:25:30 PM

Quote from: Legion on July 05, 2015, 11:27:21 AM

Cobs.

Well someone's got a bit of a cob on.

(apologies if that was a phrase only used in our family.)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Exeter 77 on July 05, 2015, 12:43:47 PM

Quote from: Legion on July 05, 2015, 11:27:21 AM

Cobs.

Didn't know you were swan-eating royalty. Or maybe a famous Villa fan masquerades as a teacher Monday to Friday. Has anyone seen Legion and Prince William in the same place at the same time?

Sorry - I think the sun has got to me this week.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: thick_mike on July 05, 2015, 05:04:07 PM

Cons are crusty, baps are floury and soft.

That is all.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: richl on July 05, 2015, 05:33:19 PM

Derby are in for Richardson

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on July 05, 2015, 05:34:59 PM

Quote from: richl on July 05, 2015, 05:33:19 PM

Derby are in for Richardson

Kevin or Kieron ?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: richl on July 05, 2015, 05:48:07 PM

The latter I would guess

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 05, 2015, 05:52:38 PM

I didnt realise we were selling him. I mean, I am not gutted or anything but I thought Sherwood rated him. Anyway if we do sell him then its another spot to fill so more acquisitions. Interesting.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: gervilla on July 05, 2015, 05:56:45 PM

Hopefully we fill that spot with a decent left back.  It's been a while since we had one.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 05, 2015, 06:07:06 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 05, 2015, 12:25:30 PM

Quote from: Legion on July 05, 2015, 11:27:21 AM

Cobs.

Well someone's got a bit of a cob on.

(apologies if that was a phrase only used in our family.)

Nah that's quite widely used.  "Sweating cobs" is one I've never really understood.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 05, 2015, 06:11:07 PM

Derby is about his level to be fair. I hope this means we get Amavi. We seem to be doing ok at getting rid of the deadwood.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: richard moore on July 05, 2015, 07:02:03 PM

Quote from: Newby on July 05, 2015, 06:11:07 PM

Derby is about his level to be fair. I hope this means we get Amavi. We seem to be doing ok at getting rid of the deadwood.

Very true I think. He's not been too bad for us but we really do need to move on from these types of bargain-basement journeymen type footballers

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 05, 2015, 07:13:57 PM

Quote from: thick_mike on July 05, 2015, 05:04:07 PM

Cons are crusty, baps are floury and soft.

That is all.

That is word for word exactly what I said to myself when I read the previous posts on this subject.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 05, 2015, 07:14:42 PM

Quote from: richl on July 05, 2015, 05:33:19 PM

Derby are in for Richardson

Good.

Decent in the semi final but otherwise really not good enough.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on July 05, 2015, 07:17:10 PM

Richardson is on about 25k a week. He's probably gonna play 20 odd games a season tops. 25k isn't a huge amount in this league, but it's a lot to pay for someone who'll spend half the season on the treatment table. He wasn't a total disaster on the pitch I suppose, nor particularly good. He's overdue a drop to the championship at this stage of his career.
If we can possibly shift him, Senderos, Cole etc, then we should. All dead wood. They weren't particularly bad when on the pitch, but the odd game here and there isn't enough. We need decent established players, and the rest of the squad should be young and promising.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Concrete John on July 05, 2015, 07:29:06 PM

Personally, I'd be keeping the likes of Richardson.  Decent solid pros to flesh out the squad means we can concentrate whatever money we do have on quality over quantity.  I think we went the other way under Lambert and it hurt us.  The rebuilding job will take more than one window, so a bit of patience is needed and that means utilising what's already on our books in the short term.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 05, 2015, 07:35:17 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on July 05, 2015, 07:29:06 PM

Personally, I'd be keeping the likes of Richardson.  Decent solid pros to flesh out the squad means we can concentrate whatever money we do have on quality over quantity.  I think we went the other way under Lambert and it hurt us.  The rebuilding job will take more than one window, so a bit of patience is needed and that means utilising what's already on our books in the short term.

Agree and the fact that he can play in a few positions is useful. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on July 05, 2015, 07:38:42 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on July 05, 2015, 07:35:17 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on July 05, 2015, 07:29:06 PM

Personally, I'd be keeping the likes of Richardson.  Decent solid pros to flesh out the squad means we can concentrate whatever money we do have on quality over quantity.  I think we went the other way under Lambert and it hurt us.  The rebuilding job will take more than one window, so a bit of patience is needed and that means utilising what's already on our books in the short term.

Agree and the fact that he can play in a few positions is useful. 

As a reserve, yes, but we need 1st team players a couple of notches better than him in each of the positions he can play.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 05, 2015, 07:49:07 PM

As Derby seem to be signing ex Villa players at will perhaps Tim Sherwood could throw in Agbonlahor for a couple of million as well. When he goes the club will really start to move forward.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paulcomben on July 05, 2015, 08:23:29 PM

And Joe Cole.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 05, 2015, 09:10:09 PM

maybe we could do a package deal with Cole  him and his own treatment table?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 05, 2015, 09:16:52 PM

I'd keep Richardson and Cole. I think they offer decent experience to the club.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: curlytailavfc on July 05, 2015, 09:25:04 PM

this is the most boring pre season I remember in 55 years

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 05, 2015, 09:29:22 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 05, 2015, 09:16:52 PM

I'd keep Richardson and Cole. I think they offer decent experience to the club.

I have no reason whatsoever for thinking that Joe Cole gives our team anything.

Last season I kept hoping he would, but was always disappointed when he didn't.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 05, 2015, 09:29:33 PM

If its a choice between boredom and signing Cole, Richardson and Senderos, i'd take boredom.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 05, 2015, 09:53:08 PM

Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 05, 2015, 09:29:22 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 05, 2015, 09:16:52 PM

I'd keep Richardson and Cole. I think they offer decent experience to the club.

I have no reason whatsoever for thinking that Joe Cole gives our team anything.

Last season I kept hoping he would, but was always disappointed when he didn't.

According to Grealish he's helped him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on July 05, 2015, 10:08:46 PM

Cole made a decent contribution at the end of last season. His substitute appearances against Everton and Spurs in particular helped us close the games down.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: bertlambshank on July 05, 2015, 10:10:52 PM

Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 05, 2015, 09:29:22 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 05, 2015, 09:16:52 PM

I'd keep Richardson and Cole. I think they offer decent experience to the club.

I have no reason whatsoever for thinking that Joe Cole gives our team anything.

Last season I kept hoping he would, but was always disappointed when he didn't.

They have to get their ciggies from somewhere.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 05, 2015, 10:34:40 PM

Time to move the club forward. No place for the likes of Cole, Richardson, Senderos. All yesterday's men and taking up valuable salary. Experience apart, they offer very little.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 05, 2015, 10:38:47 PM

YouTube videos are notoriously unreliable

But the chery video from last season does make him look quite exciting (and unlike Tonev his stats look good too)

http://youtu.be/jdibRv1enmc

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: richard moore on July 05, 2015, 10:38:50 PM

Quote from: Newby on July 05, 2015, 10:34:40 PM

Time to move the club forward. No place for the likes of Cole, Richardson, Senderos. All yesterday's men and taking up valuable salary. Experience apart, they offer very little.

Absolutely agree.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Concrete John on July 05, 2015, 10:56:04 PM

Quote from: richard moore on July 05, 2015, 10:38:50 PM

Quote from: Newby on July 05, 2015, 10:34:40 PM

Time to move the club forward. No place for the likes of Cole, Richardson, Senderos. All yesterday's men and taking up valuable salary. Experience apart, they offer very little.

Absolutely agree.

I agree they need to be moved on, but the expense involved in replacing them all with adequate quality, plus the time to bed in a large number of new arrivals, is a big ask.  Hence I'd rather live with some of them for another 12 months and then continue the job in summer 2016.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 05, 2015, 11:23:13 PM

Quote from: Newby on July 05, 2015, 10:34:40 PM

Time to move the club forward. No place for the likes of Cole, Richardson, Senderos. All yesterday's men and taking up valuable salary. Experience apart, they offer very little.

Those were three signings last summer that made us look like a club preparing for the championship.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 06, 2015, 12:00:00 AM

I hope our signings this summer are fruitful and progressive that is all

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 06, 2015, 12:26:07 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on July 05, 2015, 10:56:04 PM

Quote from: richard moore on July 05, 2015, 10:38:50 PM

Quote from: Newby on July 05, 2015, 10:34:40 PM

Time to move the club forward. No place for the likes of Cole, Richardson, Senderos. All yesterday's men and taking up valuable salary. Experience apart, they offer very little.

Absolutely agree.

I agree they need to be moved on, but the expense involved in replacing them all with adequate quality, plus the time to bed in a large number of new arrivals, is a big ask.  Hence I'd rather live with some of them for another 12 months and then continue the job in summer 2016.

Agree.  I don't think they would he bad bench options for another 12 months. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Axl Rose on July 06, 2015, 12:48:58 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 05, 2015, 10:38:47 PM

YouTube videos are notoriously unreliable

But the chery video from last season does make him look quite exciting (and unlike Tonev his stats look good too)

http://youtu.be/jdibRv1enmc

I agree, he looks excellent.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 06, 2015, 02:27:22 AM

He does look an exciting player, interesting that he is 27 so has come to the fore relatively late. At least Guerre, Cherry and Praet look like 3 players who would instantly improve us in midfield, as does Amavi and Richards. If they all come, and Praet looks a long way off at the moment, it would be a pretty significant summer in terms of ambition on the pitch to at least move forward and not just try and muddle through again. Losing Benteke and Delph just as we try and build would be gutting though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: oldham_villa on July 06, 2015, 07:41:27 AM

I wonder if Chery is an alternative of Townsend, as Spurs appear to be, well Spurs.

I like it that Sherwood appears to be assembling players who are quick and athletic.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: oldtimernow on July 06, 2015, 07:54:40 AM

some good set pieces helped by some dodgy goalkeepers mind

if we don't buy him at least get his video and give it to Gabby and say "can you do this?"

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 06, 2015, 08:04:35 AM

Yeah there's some bad keeping. But if he could get 5+ per season that would be better than nzogbia, Townsend or to date grealish. And grealish will need to start shooting before he scores.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Damo70 on July 06, 2015, 08:54:26 AM

Apparently Chery is holding out for a bigger signing on fee from us. In Holland it is known as the Buffalo Stance.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eamonn on July 06, 2015, 08:58:47 AM

Any news of us getting rid of Cisshoko? The thought of him and Hutton as our full backs again dampens the excitement of our potential new signings somewhat.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 06, 2015, 10:11:26 AM

Quote from: Damo70 on July 06, 2015, 08:54:26 AM

Apparently Chery is holding out for a bigger signing on fee from us. In Holland it is known as the Buffalo Stance.

Two Neneh Cherry punfests inside a fortnight? I think you're pushing it buddy.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 06, 2015, 10:11:44 AM

Quote from: Damo70 on July 06, 2015, 08:54:26 AM

Apparently Chery is holding out for a bigger signing on fee from us. In Holland it is known as the Buffalo Stance.

In England it's known as being greedy.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 06, 2015, 10:13:51 AM

Quote from: OCD on July 06, 2015, 10:11:44 AM

Quote from: Damo70 on July 06, 2015, 08:54:26 AM

Apparently Chery is holding out for a bigger signing on fee from us. In Holland it is known as the Buffalo Stance.

In England it's known as being greedy.

He has to support his Inner City Mama.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 06, 2015, 10:19:22 AM

Quote from: LeeB on July 06, 2015, 10:11:26 AM

Quote from: Damo70 on July 06, 2015, 08:54:26 AM

Apparently Chery is holding out for a bigger signing on fee from us. In Holland it is known as the Buffalo Stance.

Two Neneh Cherry punfests inside a fortnight? I think you're pushing it buddy.

That was quite eagle eyed of you to spot that.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 06, 2015, 11:04:52 AM

The B'ham Mail are linkng us with a young Barnsley defender;

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-boss-tim-sherwood-9594292

This would tie-in with Collymore's tweet abut us 'investing in talent' I suppose.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on July 06, 2015, 11:44:08 AM

Another who is great on Football Manager.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 06, 2015, 12:09:42 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 06, 2015, 10:19:22 AM

Quote from: LeeB on July 06, 2015, 10:11:26 AM

Quote from: Damo70 on July 06, 2015, 08:54:26 AM

Apparently Chery is holding out for a bigger signing on fee from us. In Holland it is known as the Buffalo Stance.

Two Neneh Cherry punfests inside a fortnight? I think you're pushing it buddy.

That was quite eagle eyed of you to spot that.

Let's hope Randy's next pronouncement is 'Save tonight, tomorrow I'll be gone'.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 06, 2015, 12:14:40 PM

God knows we've been Desireless for a while now.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on July 06, 2015, 01:55:53 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 05, 2015, 11:23:13 PM

Quote from: Newby on July 05, 2015, 10:34:40 PM

Time to move the club forward. No place for the likes of Cole, Richardson, Senderos. All yesterday's men and taking up valuable salary. Experience apart, they offer very little.

Those were three signings last summer that made us look like a club preparing for the championship.

awful signings alright but getting rid of these three will be nigh on impossible until next summer same for Given. Richardson is a handy option to have, wouldnt be against giving him an extra year to be honest.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 06, 2015, 02:49:40 PM

Quote from: OCD on July 06, 2015, 10:11:44 AM

Quote from: Damo70 on July 06, 2015, 08:54:26 AM

Apparently Chery is holding out for a bigger signing on fee from us. In Holland it is known as the Buffalo Stance.

In England it's known as being greedy.

Whoooosh (?)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 06, 2015, 02:51:40 PM

We'd have been down without those ten points at the start of the season and senderos was crucial to that. I'd get rid now though

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: bridgwater villa on July 06, 2015, 02:56:01 PM

I get that one  :)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 06, 2015, 03:04:24 PM

http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/groningen-coach-calls-on-aston-villa-to-make-decision-over-tjaronn-chery-4085114

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dr Butler on July 06, 2015, 03:26:15 PM

Quote from: RussellC on July 06, 2015, 03:04:24 PM

http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/groningen-coach-calls-on-aston-villa-to-make-decision-over-tjaronn-chery-4085114

and a come and get me plea from the player ?

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-playmaking-target-fancies-9597940

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on July 06, 2015, 05:10:32 PM

So Liverpool shell out £29m for an unproven (in this league) Brazilian midfielder but won't put out another 4m for a proven goal scorer at this level.

Ridiculous.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 06, 2015, 05:58:03 PM

Oh well, can't say I'm upset about that.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on July 06, 2015, 08:01:43 PM

Va faire petit défenseur traverser le Canal ? ....or this just a rehash?...Godzvilla!

Deal Close: Aston Villa set to seal deal for talented 5ft 9 ace

The word coming out of France is that Nice defender Jordan Amavi could be on his way to Villa Park, and Villa fans here in the Football Transfer Tavern are feeling optimistic about the news!
According to the Birmingham Mail, Aston Villa are said to have bid around the £9 million mark for the 21-year-old who is tipped to develop into a future star. Playing in Ligue 1 last season Amavi, who has been capped at France’s under-21 level, was one of the league’s outstanding defenders and has therefore caught the attention of numerous clubs.
In terms of interest coming from the Premier League, it is Aston Villa who are in the driving seat.

Apparently Nice are ecstatic about the bid feeling that it is just too good to turn down. But with the left-back yet to agree personal terms with the Villains it is still up to manager Tim Sherwood and his staff to necessarily sweeten the deal to ensure that the player does in fact make the move.
Read more at http://www.footballtransfertavern.com/premiership/aston-villa/deal-close-aston-villa-set-to-seal-deal-for-talented-5ft-9-ace/#AoG1WpVh2Pg8Fp4W.99

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Concrete John on July 06, 2015, 08:28:16 PM

I quite liked the look of that Danish lad from Ajax, but if it's going to be Amavi who is our new LB I won't exactly be crying over it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on July 06, 2015, 09:10:48 PM

Quote

Deal Close: Aston Villa set to seal deal for talented 5ft 9 ace

What an odd headline.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 06, 2015, 09:12:33 PM

Quote from: Tom_Mc9 on July 06, 2015, 09:10:48 PM

Quote

Deal Close: Aston Villa set to seal deal for talented 5ft 9 ace

What an odd headline.

Especially if he is 6ft.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pav on July 06, 2015, 09:18:32 PM

According to wiki he's a villa player... Bloody wiki

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 06, 2015, 09:24:24 PM

Quote from: pav on July 06, 2015, 09:18:32 PM

According to wiki he's a villa player... Bloody wiki

I've just changed it, according to Wiki he's now a Barcelona player.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 06, 2015, 10:40:53 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 06, 2015, 09:24:24 PM

Quote from: pav on July 06, 2015, 09:18:32 PM

According to wiki he's a villa player... Bloody wiki

I've just changed it, according to Wiki he's now a Barcelona player.

I've just changed it.

He's now a large, imaginary hedgehog called Spiny Norman*






* (c) Python, years ago

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 06, 2015, 11:07:08 PM

Quote from: Tom_Mc9 on July 06, 2015, 09:10:48 PM

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Deal Close: Aston Villa set to seal deal for talented 5ft 9 ace

What an odd headline.

It is. But my favourite was the reference to Okore as a "six foot brute" when we signed him. I don't know why but it still really tickles me.

Newspapers now seem to be in a perpetual game of reporting on each other reporting. The Mail reports any old tittle tattle (described very much as such). This is then referred to as "reports in the Birmingham Mail" in the players country or city or of location. This gets picked up by a national paper or website. Then sky sports covers that in its roundup of the papers. And then someone on here says "Sky are now reporting this".

It's fucking mental.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 06, 2015, 11:23:03 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 06, 2015, 11:07:08 PM

Quote from: Tom_Mc9 on July 06, 2015, 09:10:48 PM

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Deal Close: Aston Villa set to seal deal for talented 5ft 9 ace

What an odd headline.

It is. But my favourite was the reference to Okore as a "six foot brute" when we signed him. I don't know why but it still really tickles me.

I have a similar thing I always remember - and I don't know why - but it is of on here, in the General Krulak thread, people were moaning about something. We'd just signed a player, and Gen K referred to that, suggesting that good times were ahead, and described the player thus: "he can run like a deer".

The player? Nigel Reo-Coker.

If only he'd been good enough to aspire to having the ball control skills of a deer.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 07, 2015, 09:28:42 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 06, 2015, 11:23:03 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 06, 2015, 11:07:08 PM

Quote from: Tom_Mc9 on July 06, 2015, 09:10:48 PM

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Deal Close: Aston Villa set to seal deal for talented 5ft 9 ace

What an odd headline.

It is. But my favourite was the reference to Okore as a "six foot brute" when we signed him. I don't know why but it still really tickles me.

I have a similar thing I always remember - and I don't know why - but it is of on here, in the General Krulak thread, people were moaning about something. We'd just signed a player, and Gen K referred to that, suggesting that good times were ahead, and described the player thus: "he can run like a deer".

The player? Nigel Reo-Coker.

If only he'd been good enough to aspire to having the ball control skills of a deer.

Perhaps the good General was referring to Brian Dear the somewhat overweight West Ham midfielder of the late sixties.

In which case he was right!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 07, 2015, 12:22:15 PM

Alan Nixon (from The Mirror) reckons (via Twitter) that Paddy Reilly has gone to Nice in an attempt to sign Amavi.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on July 07, 2015, 01:45:46 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 06, 2015, 11:23:03 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 06, 2015, 11:07:08 PM

Quote from: Tom_Mc9 on July 06, 2015, 09:10:48 PM

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Deal Close: Aston Villa set to seal deal for talented 5ft 9 ace

What an odd headline.

It is. But my favourite was the reference to Okore as a "six foot brute" when we signed him. I don't know why but it still really tickles me.

I have a similar thing I always remember - and I don't know why - but it is of on here, in the General Krulak thread, people were moaning about something. We'd just signed a player, and Gen K referred to that, suggesting that good times were ahead, and described the player thus: "he can run like a deer".

The player? Nigel Reo-Coker.

If only he'd been good enough to aspire to having the ball control skills of a deer.

I was driving through Cannock Chase recently when a deer stepped into the road and just stood looking at me as I skidded toward him, MRC often had that same look of terror in his eye when he thought he may have to pass the ball further than five yards.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 07, 2015, 02:19:36 PM

He seems very highly rated so let's hope he can pull it off.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 07, 2015, 02:27:09 PM

He does. Obviously I didn't know much about him before we were linked with him, but it does seem that we are targeting better quality players than we have previously.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 07, 2015, 02:58:17 PM

Quote from: RussellC on July 07, 2015, 12:22:15 PM

Alan Nixon (from The Mirror) reckons (via Twitter) that Paddy Reilly has gone to Nice in an attempt to sign Amavi.

cannes do it?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on July 07, 2015, 05:22:48 PM

Some more pure conjecture here, rounded off nicely by the "bigger clubs - such as Tottenham" remark at the end...

 http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/07/07/report-aston-villa-line-up-breel-embolo-as-potential-benteke-rep/  (http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/07/07/report-aston-villa-line-up-breel-embolo-as-potential-benteke-rep/)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: exigo on July 07, 2015, 05:32:29 PM

Quote from: IAmTheOneIanOlney on July 07, 2015, 05:22:48 PM

Some more pure conjecture here, rounded off nicely by the "bigger clubs - such as Tottenham" remark at the end...

 http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/07/07/report-aston-villa-line-up-breel-embolo-as-potential-benteke-rep/  (http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/07/07/report-aston-villa-line-up-breel-embolo-as-potential-benteke-rep/)

At least his name drops straight into Benteke's chant.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on July 07, 2015, 05:48:13 PM

Shame he isn't from the Congo as well, could have reworked the UmBongo advert jingle.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eamonn on July 07, 2015, 05:48:15 PM

Colleague in the Netherlands view on that Dutch lad we're after...hope he's not the second-coming of Brett Holman...

Chery, well actually Feyenoord was going to buy him last winter for only 1 million, however at the time the manager got fired and nothing happened even though they already had the deal organised. Ever since he has been playing amazing and now we wont be able to buy him anymore.
He is not very young, and he only had about a season and a half in which he was really good. I would be interested to see how he performs in the premier league.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 07, 2015, 06:10:08 PM

Quote from: IAmTheOneIanOlney on July 07, 2015, 05:22:48 PM

Some more pure conjecture here, rounded off nicely by the "bigger clubs - such as Tottenham" remark at the end...

 http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/07/07/report-aston-villa-line-up-breel-embolo-as-potential-benteke-rep/  (http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/07/07/report-aston-villa-line-up-breel-embolo-as-potential-benteke-rep/)

Looks like a good calibre and the type we seem to be going for but the writer should be bitch slapped for that last comment.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Lyewho??? on July 07, 2015, 06:44:36 PM

Quote from: IAmTheOneIanOlney on July 07, 2015, 05:22:48 PM

Some more pure conjecture here, rounded off nicely by the "bigger clubs - such as Tottenham" remark at the end...

 http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/07/07/report-aston-villa-line-up-breel-embolo-as-potential-benteke-rep/  (http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/07/07/report-aston-villa-line-up-breel-embolo-as-potential-benteke-rep/)

This lad seems to have a few followers, teams like Utd were linked with him last year. Wouldn't mind a player with this much potential

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on July 07, 2015, 06:58:48 PM

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on July 07, 2015, 07:49:44 PM

Certainly looks like he could be the Breel deal.

Although I remember being impressed by the Helenius and KEA YouTube compilations.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Havencheese on July 07, 2015, 07:53:28 PM

Quote from: OCD on July 07, 2015, 06:10:08 PM

Quote from: IAmTheOneIanOlney on July 07, 2015, 05:22:48 PM

Some more pure conjecture here, rounded off nicely by the "bigger clubs - such as Tottenham" remark at the end...

 http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/07/07/report-aston-villa-line-up-breel-embolo-as-potential-benteke-rep/  (http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/07/07/report-aston-villa-line-up-breel-embolo-as-potential-benteke-rep/)

Looks like a good calibre and the type we seem to be going for but the writer should be bitch slapped for that last comment.

Another line that annoys me is the assumption that this young and hugely promising talent 'would' be a huge coup for Villa assuming he's going to make it. I'd prefer it to say 'could'. He does look like a talent who goes in hard and audacious.

Regardless, I like the net TS and Reilly has cast for talent. I think it was assumed TS would be interested in primarily English talent and Spurs cast offs by some - mostly media. These are enterprising links.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 07, 2015, 08:58:52 PM

Embolo will be a monster in a few years. Can't imagine us being the only club interested.

Anyway, I don't think Benteke will leave this summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 07, 2015, 09:31:52 PM

Breel looks breally good, some nice touches

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 07, 2015, 10:00:07 PM

Wrong thread

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: warleyboy on July 07, 2015, 10:04:44 PM

Would love to see em go for Breel, whether Tekkers stays or not, he is a possible premier league talent.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on July 07, 2015, 10:29:57 PM

Hmm...

 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfers-manchester-city-6022312  (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfers-manchester-city-6022312)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 07, 2015, 10:34:02 PM

Quote from: IAmTheOneIanOlney on July 07, 2015, 10:29:57 PM

Hmm...

 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfers-manchester-city-6022312  (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfers-manchester-city-6022312)

I would not over analyse any of that, to me it reads like he has simply answered questions which he has been asked in a  diplomatic manner.  I'd be more worried if he said 'no comment'.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 07, 2015, 10:36:15 PM

Quote from: warleyboy on July 07, 2015, 10:04:44 PM

Would love to see em go for Breel, whether Tekkers stays or not, he is a possible premier league talent.

I think we need to regardless (not necessarily that player), as Benteke will leave eventually and we do not appear to have a replacement within our youth set up.  My big fear is that a club trigger Benteke's release clause late on transfer deadline day.  We'd be screwed if we do not have a replacement.  This guy and gabby, we might just cope.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 07, 2015, 10:55:37 PM

I would rather Delph talk to Sinclair about what can happen to an English player going to Man City. Especially at this point in his career.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 07, 2015, 10:56:42 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 07, 2015, 10:36:15 PM

Quote from: warleyboy on July 07, 2015, 10:04:44 PM

Would love to see em go for Breel, whether Tekkers stays or not, he is a possible premier league talent.

I think we need to regardless (not necessarily that player), as Benteke will leave eventually and we do not appear to have a replacement within our youth set up.  My big fear is that a club trigger Benteke's release clause late on transfer deadline day.  We'd be screwed if we do not have a replacement.  This guy and gabby, we might just cope.

I can see that happening and the way Liverpool are playing it, wouldn't be surprised if they're thinking that way.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 07, 2015, 11:34:36 PM

Quote from: eamonn on July 07, 2015, 05:48:15 PM

Colleague in the Netherlands view on that Dutch lad we're after...hope he's not the second-coming of Brett Holman...

Chery, well actually Feyenoord was going to buy him last winter for only 1 million, however at the time the manager got fired and nothing happened even though they already had the deal organised. Ever since he has been playing amazing and now we wont be able to buy him anymore.
He is not very young, and he only had about a season and a half in which he was really good. I would be interested to see how he performs in the premier league.

I'd completely forgotten about him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 08, 2015, 12:03:38 AM

Shay Given joining Middlesbrough.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Damo70 on July 08, 2015, 12:18:05 AM

Quote from: OCD on July 07, 2015, 10:55:37 PM

I would rather Delph talk to Sinclair about what can happen to an English player going to Man City. Especially at this point in his career.

Barry, Milner, Young, Downing. They all killed their England careers by leaving Villa. I think Young won one league title and Downing won one league cup for their efforts. Barry and Milner possibly won two trophies each. I honestly think it would be in Delph and Benteke's  interests to stay for another year, play regularly where they are settled and if they go on to have good European Championships they can take their pick of clubs. You couldn't argue with Delph if he wanted to go to Man City but Benteke should aim higher than Liverpool or Spurs.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Londonvilla on July 08, 2015, 01:03:01 AM

Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 08, 2015, 12:03:38 AM

Shay Given joining Middlesbrough.

heres the link

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11725207/Aston-Villa-transfer-news-Shay-Given-to-join-Middlesbrough.html

Aston Villa transfer news: Shay Given to join Middlesbrough
Tim Sherwood could be looking for a new goalkeeper after man who ended season as first choice at Villa Park moves north
Shay Given is poised to join Middlesbrough in a move that could spark a search for a new goalkeeper by Tim Sherwood.

Given has agreed to end his four-year association with Aston Villa to join the the ambitious Championship club, with Sherwood prepared to let the 39-year-old leave on a free transfer.
The Ireland international was Sherwood's first choice goalkeeper towards the end of last season, appearing in both the FA Cup final and semi-final at Wembley.

But Middlesbrough, who have seen a £5.5million bid for West Ham winger Stewart Downing rejected, have lured Given to the Riverside Stadium after he impressed on loan two seasons ago.
Given's departure raises the prospect of Sherwood looking for a new goalkeeper after the Villa manager dropped Brad Guzan after a high-profile mistake in the 3-2 defeat at Manchester City.
Brentford's David Button is thought to be a target while Villa failed with a £4million bid for Stoke's Asmir Begovic earlier this summer.
Given was a £3million signing from Manchester City in 2011 and had one year left on his Villa contract

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 08, 2015, 01:11:28 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 07, 2015, 10:34:02 PM

Quote from: IAmTheOneIanOlney on July 07, 2015, 10:29:57 PM

Hmm...

 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfers-manchester-city-6022312  (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfers-manchester-city-6022312)

I would not over analyse any of that, to me it reads like he has simply answered questions which he has been asked in a  diplomatic manner.  I'd be more worried if he said 'no comment'.

I wouldn't.

I'd have preferred him to say nothing. It's not even difficult.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on July 08, 2015, 02:19:27 AM

Good luck to Shay if he leaves...genuinely nice bloke but he's past his best and we can make better use of his £55k/week.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 08, 2015, 07:30:30 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 08, 2015, 01:11:28 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 07, 2015, 10:34:02 PM

Quote from: IAmTheOneIanOlney on July 07, 2015, 10:29:57 PM

Hmm...

 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfers-manchester-city-6022312  (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfers-manchester-city-6022312)

I would not over analyse any of that, to me it reads like he has simply answered questions which he has been asked in a  diplomatic manner.  I'd be more worried if he said 'no comment'.

I wouldn't.

I'd have preferred him to say nothing. It's not even difficult.

Yep. There are plenty of diplomatic answers that don't reveal delph has been asking about Man City.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on July 08, 2015, 07:48:26 AM

Though what's the point in that? If he's asked about it, he's asked about it. It's not too difficult to cope with, surely?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 08, 2015, 10:44:09 AM

Well before Richards said those comments we all had no idea whether the Delph to City rumours held any weight. Now we know there must be something for him to ask those sort of questions. That's not to say he'll leave but the probability has increased a little in my head on the basis he's clearly thinking about it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 08, 2015, 10:52:14 AM

Quote from: Tom_Mc9 on July 08, 2015, 07:48:26 AM

Though what's the point in that? If he's asked about it, he's asked about it. It's not too difficult to cope with, surely?

Just shrug it off, that's probably the best response for him. Footballers get asked stuff like this all the time, I imagine.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on July 08, 2015, 11:01:26 AM

I just don't think it matters if Delph asked about City or not. Before Richards said that, we knew Man City were probably interested in Delph and he probably wouldn't mind joining them should the situation arise - it's how football works nowadays and has done for a long, long time. I think nowadays the fans cling onto every word that a player says (Barry News of the World article/Downing saying that Villa looked after him/Delph saying the team are his brothers and he wants to stay) and get outraged, shocked, hurt and amazed by them. I think players have said X and done Y often enough at club X before joining club Y that it should cease to be something to get upset about. Benteke will leave one day as will Delph. Maybe (probably?) this summer. We'll sign someone else who is probably saying the same thing at FC Crap Dutch Team and Club Quite Good in France CF. Sometimes it works in your favour; other times it doesn't.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 08, 2015, 11:11:48 AM

I'm not annoyed he's thinking about it. I don't blame him. I'd have been offski out of contract and free if I were him, if I hadn't already left. I don't even blame him for asking Richards about it, that's an obvious thing to do.

The club has been a basket case for almost five years now, and we've just finished 17th. I wouldn't hitch the best years of my career to that, and I am a Villa fan.

It really isn't Delph thinking of leaving or asking about anything that irks me. It is the fact that Richards has spoken to the press about it.

He should just steer well clear of getting involved in any discussion along those lines.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on July 08, 2015, 11:16:17 AM

Ah got you. Maybe it's because the cricket's on, or the tennis, but it just doesn't bother me at the moment. Often it would do. Anyway, is there any credence in the Jordan Amavi rumours? I'm very excited about signing these players I'd never previously heard of.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 08, 2015, 11:40:59 AM

Quote from: Tom_Mc9 on July 08, 2015, 11:16:17 AM

Ah got you. Maybe it's because the cricket's on, or the tennis, but it just doesn't bother me at the moment. Often it would do. Anyway, is there any credence in the Jordan Amavi rumours? I'm very excited about signing these players I'd never previously heard of.

I can't make my mind up.

He sounds a bit exotic and foreign, but has the first name Jordan, which isn't so foreign or exotic.

He plays for Nice, that's all I know. We drove past their new stadium a couple of times while on holiday recently. it looks really impressive from the outside.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Smoke on July 08, 2015, 11:41:07 AM

Delph asking Richards about Man City could have been,

So, Micah. Must be weird not being at city after being there so long huh?

What was it like when the Sheiks came in? Did you guys know about it before hand?

With all that money being chucked around up at City, how does BMH compare?


In Micahs eyes Delph has been asking him about the Situation at Man City, in Delphs eyes he's being nice and polite trying to get to know Micah.


P.s. Straws for sale, never used, clutched at once.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on July 08, 2015, 11:52:31 AM

Another rumour that refuses to go away..........................Godzvilla!

http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/aston-villa-hold-talks-with-agent-of-leed

According to reports in the Italian media Aston Villa yesterday held talks with the agent of Ternana forward Felipe Avenatti. The Uruguayan is expected to leave the Serie B side this summer and besides Aston Villa, Leeds United and Cagliari are also in the race to sign the player as confirmed by TMW last week.

TMW have revealed from claims in the Italy that Aston Villa have stepped up their pursuit for Avenatti and are currently in discussions with the player’s agent with regards to a move to England this summer. Last month the Premier League side registered their interested in the 22 year old striker but face competition from Leeds and Cagliari. However, it now seems Aston Villa are looking to get ahead of their rivals by opening these talks with his representatives. The youngster did look to be on his way to Cagliari last week but since then talks have stalled, and the Italian side could be looking to pull out with signing the South American.

Yesterday TuttoSport reported Cagliari were becoming frustrated on how discussions were heading with Ternana to sign Avenatti, and were therefore considering other options. They have opened talks with La Spezia forward to sign their forward Niccolo Giannetti in the event they don’t manage to seal a deal for Avenatti. Giannetti would only cost the Sardinian side €2.2m compared to the €4m Ternana are holding out for their forward so the Serie B side could now pursuit this transfer. Cagliari are in pole to the sign the Italian striker which could leave either Aston Villa or Leeds to free to sign Avenatti.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Gregorys Boy on July 08, 2015, 12:10:25 PM

Every summer the transfer sagas get duller and duller, this summer has been the worse ever, this business with Delph just proves it.  If City are serious about him which I doubt they are then he will go I think, but with a month till the season we can't afford to let him go.  He's overrated, but is still one of those key players who can make a difference for us.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on July 08, 2015, 12:11:30 PM

Good sexy foreign name, but the transfer sounds a bit 'Paul Lambert' to me. If he comes in, hopefully I'm wrong and he's ace.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dr Butler on July 08, 2015, 12:14:21 PM

Quote from: Gregorys Boy on July 08, 2015, 12:10:25 PM

Every summer the transfer sagas get duller and duller, this summer has been the worse ever, this business with Delph just proves it.  If City are serious about him which I doubt they are then he will go I think, but with a month till the season we can't afford to let him go.  He's overrated, but is still one of those key players who can make a difference for us.

I may of misread your post so apologies if I have, but are you saying Fabian is overrated ?

UTV
The Doc

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Caiphus on July 08, 2015, 01:01:56 PM

Quote from: godzvilla on July 08, 2015, 11:52:31 AM

Another rumour that refuses to go away..........................Godzvilla!

http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/aston-villa-hold-talks-with-agent-of-leed

According to reports in the Italian media Aston Villa yesterday held talks with the agent of Ternana forward Felipe Avenatti. The Uruguayan is expected to leave the Serie B side this summer and besides Aston Villa, Leeds United and Cagliari are also in the race to sign the player as confirmed by TMW last week.

TMW have revealed from claims in the Italy that Aston Villa have stepped up their pursuit for Avenatti and are currently in discussions with the player’s agent with regards to a move to England this summer. Last month the Premier League side registered their interested in the 22 year old striker but face competition from Leeds and Cagliari. However, it now seems Aston Villa are looking to get ahead of their rivals by opening these talks with his representatives. The youngster did look to be on his way to Cagliari last week but since then talks have stalled, and the Italian side could be looking to pull out with signing the South American.

Yesterday TuttoSport reported Cagliari were becoming frustrated on how discussions were heading with Ternana to sign Avenatti, and were therefore considering other options. They have opened talks with La Spezia forward to sign their forward Niccolo Giannetti in the event they don’t manage to seal a deal for Avenatti. Giannetti would only cost the Sardinian side €2.2m compared to the €4m Ternana are holding out for their forward so the Serie B side could now pursuit this transfer. Cagliari are in pole to the sign the Italian striker which could leave either Aston Villa or Leeds to free to sign Avenatti.

I'd be surprised if he could get a work permit.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on July 08, 2015, 01:09:15 PM

Are our work permit rules tougher than the rest of the EU ?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 08, 2015, 01:14:14 PM

Doesn't the striker hold an Italian passport anyway?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Singapore Villa on July 08, 2015, 02:22:29 PM

Cabaye on his way to Palace.  I know he has had limited game time at PSG, but should we not be all over that????

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: simon ward 50 on July 08, 2015, 02:28:43 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 08, 2015, 01:14:14 PM

Doesn't the striker hold an Italian passport anyway?

OR have an Irish grandmother!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard E on July 08, 2015, 02:35:38 PM

Quote from: Singapore Villa on July 08, 2015, 02:22:29 PM

Cabaye on his way to Palace.  I know he has had limited game time at PSG, but should we not be all over that????

He wants to go to London and the attraction of working with Pardew again (takes all sorts I suppose) means that Palace was the only place he was ever going to go.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Karl Bridges on July 08, 2015, 04:14:38 PM

We were reportedly in initially for Cabaye but he told us he wanted to go to Palace.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on July 08, 2015, 04:33:52 PM

Avenatti - a 1-in-5 scorer in his career to date. Not likely to get the pulse racing, is he?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on July 08, 2015, 04:34:17 PM

Quote from: Karl Bridges on July 08, 2015, 04:14:38 PM

We were reportedly in initially for Cabaye but he told us he wanted to go to Palace.

and wants £100,000 pw.. and is almost 30.

Probably for the best.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 08, 2015, 06:12:43 PM

Stoke in for Shay

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 08, 2015, 06:29:53 PM

Are you?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 08, 2015, 06:36:35 PM

Quote from: villadelph on July 08, 2015, 04:34:17 PM

Quote from: Karl Bridges on July 08, 2015, 04:14:38 PM

We were reportedly in initially for Cabaye but he told us he wanted to go to Palace.

and wants £100,000 pw.. and is almost 30.

Probably for the best.

And is overrated, imho.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Nelson Lodge on July 08, 2015, 08:08:01 PM

According to BBC Sport Graham Burke transferred  to Notts County today on a Free.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 08, 2015, 08:26:55 PM

Quote from: Nelson Lodge on July 08, 2015, 08:08:01 PM

According to BBC Sport Graham Burke transferred  to Notts County today on a Free.

Was out of contract so not really anything to do with us anyway.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Louzie0 on July 08, 2015, 08:37:37 PM

He's been playing for them on loan so they must like him.
So long, Graham, thanks for NextGen ( where I remember him doing well). Good luck.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 08, 2015, 08:55:45 PM

Thought he looked really promising for a while.
Didn't he come on for about 20 mins v ManU a few seasons ago...and looked the best player on the pitch in a claret and blue shirt!

All the best Graham.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on July 08, 2015, 09:09:05 PM

Quote from: Richard E on July 08, 2015, 02:35:38 PM

Quote from: Singapore Villa on July 08, 2015, 02:22:29 PM

Cabaye on his way to Palace.  I know he has had limited game time at PSG, but should we not be all over that????

He wants to go to London and the attraction of working with Pardew again (takes all sorts I suppose) means that Palace was the only place he was ever going to go.

Cabaye is so TK Mexx. Toon are welcomed to him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 08, 2015, 10:13:32 PM

Mark bunn joining on a free.
So far, two free signings in...... Going to be a long ass summer at this rate

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 08, 2015, 10:19:04 PM

Why?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on July 08, 2015, 10:19:28 PM

Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 08, 2015, 10:13:32 PM

Mark bunn joining on a free.
So far, two free signings in...... Going to be a long ass summer at this rate

I would suggest that is a replacement for the possible imminent departure of Shay Given.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 08, 2015, 10:22:53 PM

Quote from: dave shelley on July 08, 2015, 10:19:28 PM

Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 08, 2015, 10:13:32 PM

Mark bunn joining on a free.
So far, two free signings in...... Going to be a long ass summer at this rate

I would suggest that is a replacement for the possible imminent departure of Shay Given.

Looks that way. Think steer would do as a backup though. Surely Guzan is off and were getting a new number one too

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Shrek on July 08, 2015, 10:23:55 PM

How depressing, we need to keep Benteke and Delph and spend £30mill just to stand still this season.
Palace signing players like Cabeye, really highlight the financial power of the premier league. Wether Cabeye is worth the fee and wages isn't really relevant, he is a quality player, who vastly improves Crystal Palace.
I hope this Gueye does sign, as he would at least fill the hole left by Delph.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 08, 2015, 10:30:15 PM

Quote from: Shrek on July 08, 2015, 10:23:55 PM

How depressing, we need to keep Benteke and Delph and spend £30mill just to stand still this season.
Palace signing players like Cabeye, really highlight the financial power of the premier league. Wether Cabeye is worth the fee and wages isn't really relevant, he is a quality player, who vastly improves Crystal Palace.
I hope this Gueye does sign, as he would at least fill the hole left by Delph.

...Who hasn't gone yet.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 08, 2015, 10:41:56 PM

Who may not go at all. And Gueye could be a signing made to play alongside Delph instead of a replacement for him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 08, 2015, 10:47:18 PM

So we are after a 2nd choice keeper/ 3rd choice. Is this guy not simply the new Andy Marshall?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 08, 2015, 10:55:43 PM

Cabeye has real fitness issues but is a quality footballer. However, at nearly 30 I am not sure he takes Palace much further forward than they are already. They sign Austin then fair enough as he will score a lot of goals for them.

If we get Amavi and Marvin though, then we have done pretty decent business already. If we lose Benteke and Delph, I do have some confidence that Sherwood will replace them and use the money to strengthen further.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 08, 2015, 11:43:22 PM

Has nobody started a mark bunn thread yet?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 08, 2015, 11:47:04 PM

Go for it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on July 09, 2015, 06:24:30 AM

I dont know anything at all about Mark Bunn, is he a young up and coming keeper or a gnarled veteran lower league journey man?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 09, 2015, 07:35:47 AM

30 year old back up keeper from Norwich. I don't think he played at all last season for them.

So yeah, presumably being brought in as a number 2 as Shay is moving on and Jed is out injured and will then become the number 3 once Jed heals up.

Shrug, not inspiring but within our means. If you want to read into it (and I do) then I would say it indicates business at usual for the club and no change in our financial trajectory is imminent.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 09, 2015, 07:52:01 AM

I'd image that we're looking to loan Steer out again this season and therefore the thinking behind Bunn is to have an experienced deputy on hand, in much the same way that Andy Marshall was for years.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Karl Bridges on July 09, 2015, 08:49:22 AM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on July 09, 2015, 07:35:47 AM

Shrug, not inspiring but within our means. If you want to read into it (and I do) then I would say it indicates business at usual for the club and no change in our financial trajectory is imminent.

Although signing a player for £9m and making offers in the same region for others may suggest otherwise. Although I guess the signing of a third choice keeper who will probably never play a first team game is a better indicator of our transfer policy.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 09, 2015, 08:52:09 AM

More than capable backup. Rather have him than somebody earning 60k p/w on the bench (no offence Shay)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 09, 2015, 08:54:35 AM

Didn't our GK coach come from Norwich too?  If so it probably is case of all parties knowing and trusting each other, but with £50k of wages left over.
Sound move in my book.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 09, 2015, 09:09:29 AM

Quote from: RussellC on July 09, 2015, 07:52:01 AM

I'd image that we're looking to loan Steer out again this season and therefore the thinking behind Bunn is to have an experienced deputy on hand, in much the same way that Andy Marshall was for years.

So if the first choice keeper's injured, he'll have to earn his bread?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 09, 2015, 09:10:16 AM

Quote from: LeeB on July 09, 2015, 09:09:29 AM

Quote from: RussellC on July 09, 2015, 07:52:01 AM

I'd image that we're looking to loan Steer out again this season and therefore the thinking behind Bunn is to have an experienced deputy on hand, in much the same way that Andy Marshall was for years.

So if the first choice keeper's injured, he'll have to earn his bread?

I guess so. I've heard he's pretty hot on crosses.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 09, 2015, 09:12:40 AM

Quote from: RussellC on July 09, 2015, 09:10:16 AM

Quote from: LeeB on July 09, 2015, 09:09:29 AM

Quote from: RussellC on July 09, 2015, 07:52:01 AM

I'd image that we're looking to loan Steer out again this season and therefore the thinking behind Bunn is to have an experienced deputy on hand, in much the same way that Andy Marshall was for years.

So if the first choice keeper's injured, he'll have to earn his bread?

I guess so. I've heard he's pretty hot on crosses.

Fantastic positional sense...uses his loaf!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 09, 2015, 09:24:52 AM

Enough with the bunn puns

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 09, 2015, 09:28:02 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 09, 2015, 09:24:52 AM

Enough with the bunn puns

Sour dough?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 09, 2015, 09:31:34 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 09, 2015, 09:24:52 AM

Enough with the bunn puns

Don't get a cob on.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: exigo on July 09, 2015, 09:43:30 AM

Come on guys, we need to be raisin the bar here.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aev on July 09, 2015, 09:44:15 AM

So behind Guzan we will have Bunn Steer.

don't like the sound of that.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on July 09, 2015, 09:47:39 AM

Hey, let's not be critical. He's got to earn a crust somehow.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 09, 2015, 09:49:01 AM

Quote from: Karl Bridges on July 09, 2015, 08:49:22 AM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on July 09, 2015, 07:35:47 AM

Shrug, not inspiring but within our means. If you want to read into it (and I do) then I would say it indicates business at usual for the club and no change in our financial trajectory is imminent.

Although signing a player for £9m and making offers in the same region for others may suggest otherwise. Although I guess the signing of a third choice keeper who will probably never play a first team game is a better indicator of our transfer policy.

I was going to say signing a third choice goalkeeper is hardly an indication of our ultimate strategy. Liverpool sign Adam Bogdan, but I wouldn't define their transfers on that basis.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 09, 2015, 09:49:08 AM

Quote from: curiousorange on July 09, 2015, 09:47:39 AM

Hey, let's not be critical. He's got to earn a crust somehow.

He's got every chance of playing, as the currant No.1 is off to Stoke.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Le Lapin on July 09, 2015, 09:57:13 AM

Éclairs it out of the box.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 09, 2015, 10:04:45 AM

I thought Bunn might go to Rangers with Warburton.

Get in!! 😁

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villatillidie25 on July 09, 2015, 10:16:00 AM

Quote from: Newby on July 09, 2015, 10:04:45 AM

I thought Bunn might go to Rangers with Warburton.

Get in!! 😁

Big likes!! (until the self congratulatory comment :P)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dr Butler on July 09, 2015, 10:26:03 AM

well we have a new goalkeeper

http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~4851967,00.html

UTV
The Doc

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Karl Bridges on July 09, 2015, 10:26:46 AM

I see we are descending into a current pun fest again.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 09, 2015, 10:41:18 AM

He'll be happy to have the Baker in front of him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 09, 2015, 10:46:30 AM

Come on you Lyons.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 09, 2015, 10:51:09 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 09, 2015, 10:46:30 AM

Come on you Lyons.

Like it

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dr Butler on July 09, 2015, 10:57:29 AM

how much dough would Bunn be on ?

UTV
The Doc

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: maidstonevillain on July 09, 2015, 11:15:19 AM

Quote from: TheMalandro on July 09, 2015, 10:41:18 AM

He'll be happy to have the Baker in front of him.

And between them they restrict the opposition to doughnuts.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 09, 2015, 11:17:32 AM

Has he got any kids? Because if so his missus literally had a Bunn in the oven.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 09, 2015, 11:18:47 AM

Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 09, 2015, 11:17:32 AM

Has he got any kids? Because if so his missus literally had a Bunn in the oven.

Bet she's a tasty bit of crumpet.

Although I'm not saying she's a tart.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 09, 2015, 11:24:14 AM

He actually signed a few days ago but it was on a knead to know basis.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 09, 2015, 11:31:31 AM

Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 09, 2015, 11:24:14 AM

He actually signed a few days ago but it was on a knead to know basis.

No, it was yeasterday.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 09, 2015, 11:41:03 AM

Quote from: LeeB on July 09, 2015, 11:31:31 AM

Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 09, 2015, 11:24:14 AM

He actually signed a few days ago but it was on a knead to know basis.

No, it was yeasterday.

All his truffles seemed so far away.

(I know I'm stretching it a bit, sorry).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 09, 2015, 11:41:53 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 09, 2015, 11:41:03 AM

Quote from: LeeB on July 09, 2015, 11:31:31 AM

Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 09, 2015, 11:24:14 AM

He actually signed a few days ago but it was on a knead to know basis.

No, it was yeasterday.

All his truffles seemed so far away.

(I know I'm stretching it a bit, sorry).

As Homer Simpson would say.

DOH!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 09, 2015, 11:49:53 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 09, 2015, 11:41:03 AM

Quote from: LeeB on July 09, 2015, 11:31:31 AM

Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 09, 2015, 11:24:14 AM

He actually signed a few days ago but it was on a knead to know basis.

No, it was yeasterday.

All his truffles seemed so far away.

(I know I'm stretching it a bit, sorry).

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 09, 2015, 11:41:03 AM

Quote from: LeeB on July 09, 2015, 11:31:31 AM

Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 09, 2015, 11:24:14 AM

He actually signed a few days ago but it was on a knead to know basis.

No, it was yeasterday.

All his truffles seemed so far away.

(I know I'm stretching it a bit, sorry).

Now it looks as dough he's here to stay.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 09, 2015, 12:22:04 PM

Hopefully when we get to next years final he will rise to the occasion.

F**cking hell I can't believe I'm involved in this. I've become institutionalized!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: HertsVilla on July 09, 2015, 12:28:14 PM

Worth a try. At the very yeast it's another squad option...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 09, 2015, 12:28:51 PM

this is blooming ridiculous  :-\

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 09, 2015, 12:30:23 PM

We kneaded to fill this position, so its an ok signing in my view.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: HertsVilla on July 09, 2015, 12:31:00 PM

Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 09, 2015, 12:28:51 PM

this is blooming ridiculous  :-\

Shouldn't that be 'bloomer' ridiculous?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: HertsVilla on July 09, 2015, 12:32:06 PM

Scanning his Wiki page it appears he has struggled with injury in recent years. I'm sure he'll looking to get bap into it asap.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 09, 2015, 12:41:24 PM

Quote from: HertsVilla on July 09, 2015, 12:31:00 PM

Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 09, 2015, 12:28:51 PM

this is blooming ridiculous  :-\

Shouldn't that be 'bloomer' ridiculous?

I don't know about that.

He saw a chance and decided that he'd got to baguette.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 09, 2015, 12:46:43 PM

Quote from: HertsVilla on July 09, 2015, 12:31:00 PM

Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 09, 2015, 12:28:51 PM

this is blooming ridiculous  :-\

Shouldn't that be 'bloomer' ridiculous?

D'oh!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eamonn on July 09, 2015, 12:59:01 PM

Quote from: RussellC on July 09, 2015, 12:46:43 PM

Quote from: HertsVilla on July 09, 2015, 12:31:00 PM

Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 09, 2015, 12:28:51 PM

this is blooming ridiculous  :-\

Shouldn't that be 'bloomer' ridiculous?

D'oh!

Dough?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 09, 2015, 01:03:30 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 09, 2015, 11:49:53 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 09, 2015, 11:41:03 AM

Quote from: LeeB on July 09, 2015, 11:31:31 AM

Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 09, 2015, 11:24:14 AM

He actually signed a few days ago but it was on a knead to know basis.

No, it was yeasterday.

All his truffles seemed so far away.

(I know I'm stretching it a bit, sorry).

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 09, 2015, 11:41:03 AM

Quote from: LeeB on July 09, 2015, 11:31:31 AM

Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 09, 2015, 11:24:14 AM

He actually signed a few days ago but it was on a knead to know basis.

No, it was yeasterday.

All his truffles seemed so far away.

(I know I'm stretching it a bit, sorry).

Now it looks as dough he's here to stay.

Oh oh I be-knead in yesterday

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 09, 2015, 01:06:21 PM

Why did the baker have brown hands?

Because he kneaded a poo!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 09, 2015, 01:15:42 PM

We have both a Baker and a Bunn in our backline.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on July 09, 2015, 01:25:38 PM

Quote from: OCD on July 09, 2015, 01:15:42 PM

We have both a Baker and a Bunn  in our backline on our injury list

FIFY

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 09, 2015, 01:27:36 PM

Quote from: OCD on July 09, 2015, 01:15:42 PM

We have both a Baker and a Bunn in our backline.

I dough like the sound of that. I'll have a right cob on.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 09, 2015, 01:29:09 PM

Quote from: OCD on July 09, 2015, 01:15:42 PM

We have both a Baker and a Bunn in our backline.

Teams will still slice through our defence.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on July 09, 2015, 01:33:03 PM

These puns are getting repetitive now. Pretty poor by our high standards

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 09, 2015, 01:37:11 PM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 09, 2015, 01:27:36 PM

Quote from: OCD on July 09, 2015, 01:15:42 PM

We have both a Baker and a Bunn in our backline.

I dough like the sound of that. I'll have a right cob on.

You sound like a yum yum. I mean, yam yam.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 09, 2015, 01:41:14 PM

Quote from: eamonn on July 09, 2015, 12:59:01 PM

Quote from: RussellC on July 09, 2015, 12:46:43 PM

Quote from: HertsVilla on July 09, 2015, 12:31:00 PM

Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 09, 2015, 12:28:51 PM

this is blooming ridiculous  :-\

Shouldn't that be 'bloomer' ridiculous?

D'oh!

Dough?

yes sorry I feel a right pudding

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 09, 2015, 01:41:41 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on July 09, 2015, 01:33:03 PM

These puns are getting repetitive now. Pretty poor by our high standards

I agree. Too many similar ones now.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 09, 2015, 01:43:48 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on July 09, 2015, 01:33:03 PM

These puns are getting repetitive now. Pretty poor by our high standards

Rumours about Blind coming from Man united.

We could have baker blind and the back. No proof of that however.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 09, 2015, 01:46:18 PM

just need Bruce Brioche do join the back room staff now,




I am so sorry

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 09, 2015, 02:03:37 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on July 09, 2015, 01:33:03 PM

These puns are getting repetitive now. Pretty poor by our high standards

Seconded.  Time to pack it tin.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: glasses on July 09, 2015, 02:09:20 PM

That's enough now. If foccacia doing it again there'll be trouble!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 09, 2015, 02:10:37 PM

Quote from: glasses on July 09, 2015, 02:09:20 PM

That's enough now. If foccacia doing it again there'll be trouble!

Yeah, he'll ciabatta you.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ryu on July 09, 2015, 02:17:06 PM

We should baguette back on topic.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 09, 2015, 02:34:59 PM

Yeah probably time to wrap this up, I'd paratha (that's a stretch) talk about other rumours on here.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 09, 2015, 02:37:10 PM

Quote from: paul_e on July 09, 2015, 02:34:59 PM

Yeah probably time to wrap this up, I'd paratha (that's a stretch) talk about other rumours on here.

But we naan't being linked with anyone.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 09, 2015, 02:39:05 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 09, 2015, 02:37:10 PM

Quote from: paul_e on July 09, 2015, 02:34:59 PM

Yeah probably time to wrap this up, I'd paratha (that's a stretch) talk about other rumours on here.

But we naan't being linked with anyone.

I really wanted to get that one in as well but I couldn't think of a decent way to, I'm glad I at least set it up.


ON Pun: what about that dutch chapatti Groenigen, chery (bakewell), any more news on him?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on July 09, 2015, 02:58:30 PM

This thread is toast if you lot don't cut out the puns

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on July 09, 2015, 02:59:30 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 09, 2015, 02:10:37 PM

Quote from: glasses on July 09, 2015, 02:09:20 PM

That's enough now. If foccacia doing it again there'll be trouble!

Yeah, he'll ciabatta you.

To be honest I really hate the punathons.  But I have to applaud these two.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on July 09, 2015, 05:23:03 PM

Bunn: a bread-and-butter sort of player. He'll get on well with Wilkins, our roly-poly assistant manager.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 09, 2015, 05:31:49 PM

These puns are getting on my firkin nerves.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on July 09, 2015, 05:50:25 PM

Given's passed a medical at Stoke.

Wish him all the Best of Both.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 09, 2015, 06:13:16 PM

Quote from: IAmTheOneIanOlney on July 09, 2015, 05:50:25 PM

Given's passed a medical at Stoke.

Wish him all the Best of Both.

I see nzonzi went to Seville too

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 09, 2015, 06:27:11 PM

Irish international for many years, Bunn has big choux to fill

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 09, 2015, 06:41:36 PM

I wonder how much of Givens wages we have contributed to?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 09, 2015, 06:48:48 PM

Quote from: Ads on July 09, 2015, 06:41:36 PM

I wonder how much of Givens wages we have contributed to?

I would hope not alot as we still have to employ another keeper with wages .

I suppose it depends how much Bunn has cost to see if it was worth doing ?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on July 09, 2015, 07:19:07 PM

What amazes me about Sherwood so far is the seeming ease of which he's managing to shift a lot of our deadwood. He's not mucking around.
The whole Lambert bomb squad debacle just makes no sense. I mean honestly, would it have really been that difficult to shift some of those players on a permanent move? Why did we keep Hutton, Bent and Given when they weren't wanted? Had we cut our losses we could have freed up wages 1-2 years ago. And loaning out most of his second season signings at the beginning of this season? I think we should have been turfing out the majority on permanent if possible.

Now granted Lambert may have tried, or he may have foolishly deemed that loaning them out temporarily would be the best course of action in case they could yet turn good. As with everything Lambert did though, it seemed he made a dogs dinner out of it.

However I'm enjoying the fact that Sherwood seems very pro-active. He seems to have clearly identified who isn't good enough, who is on too much money for what they will give us, and from our transfer links, it seems he wants a better class of player in.
Now if he can chuck N'Zogbia out on the curb the man is a genius.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 09, 2015, 07:27:30 PM

I'd imagine it has a lot to do with the players being much more willing to leave when they only have one year of secured pay left.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 09, 2015, 07:58:02 PM

Quote from: supertom on July 09, 2015, 07:19:07 PM

What amazes me about Sherwood so far is the seeming ease of which he's managing to shift a lot of our deadwood. He's not mucking around.
The whole Lambert bomb squad debacle just makes no sense. I mean honestly, would it have really been that difficult to shift some of those players on a permanent move? Why did we keep Hutton, Bent and Given when they weren't wanted? Had we cut our losses we could have freed up wages 1-2 years ago. And loaning out most of his second season signings at the beginning of this season? I think we should have been turfing out the majority on permanent if possible.

Now granted Lambert may have tried, or he may have foolishly deemed that loaning them out temporarily would be the best course of action in case they could yet turn good. As with everything Lambert did though, it seemed he made a dogs dinner out of it.

However I'm enjoying the fact that Sherwood seems very pro-active. He seems to have clearly identified who isn't good enough, who is on too much money for what they will give us, and from our transfer links, it seems he wants a better class of player in.
Now if he can chuck N'Zogbia out on the curb the man is a genius.

When he gets Agbonlahor out of the place that is when he should have a genius rating.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 09, 2015, 08:00:45 PM

As far as Lambert criticism goes, his inability to sell players is a stretch.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 09, 2015, 08:05:05 PM

Quote from: OCD on July 09, 2015, 08:00:45 PM

As far as Lambert criticism goes, his inability to sell players is a stretch.

Agree. Shit and high wages = no takers

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on July 09, 2015, 08:51:19 PM

So what's going on with Guidetti? Is he a Bosman? Just saw he is negotiating a deal a Vigo after being released..?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: gervilla on July 09, 2015, 09:56:03 PM

Apparently Tony Moon has had his contact cancelled.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on July 09, 2015, 10:45:48 PM

Quote from: gervilla on July 09, 2015, 09:56:03 PM

Apparently Tony Moon has had his contact cancelled.

I quite liked Tony Moon in the 3 games I saw him play. That other guy, Antonio Luna was a bit shit though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 10, 2015, 12:27:23 AM

Hopefully Richards and Bunn are success and not just replacing like for like deadwood . Both risky signings . I would expect another 5 to 6 more in maybe more if selling current players. I wish we brought begovic in !

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on July 10, 2015, 02:55:22 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on July 10, 2015, 12:27:23 AM

Hopefully Richards and Bunn are success and not just replacing like for like deadwood . Both risky signings . I would expect another 5 to 6 more in maybe more if selling current players. I wish we brought begovic in !

Can you just rattle of a few potential newcomers for me?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 10, 2015, 07:48:02 AM

Quote from: supertom on July 09, 2015, 10:45:48 PM

Quote from: gervilla on July 09, 2015, 09:56:03 PM

Apparently Tony Moon has had his contact cancelled.

I quite liked Tony Moon in the 3 games I saw him play. That other guy, Antonio Luna was a bit shit though.

And the Mail confused him with Bacuna in their headline.  Anything for a click.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LTA on July 10, 2015, 08:05:42 AM

Being linked with a 5 million move for Milosevic according to twitter.










Alex Milosevic that it.


http://www.turkish-football.com/aston-villa-make-e5m-bid-for-besiktas-defender/

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 10, 2015, 08:07:06 AM

Boom boom boom, let me hear you say Alex.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on July 10, 2015, 09:06:04 AM

I signed him on FM for my Villa side, purely because he was called Milosevic. 
Turned out to be excellent.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Drummond on July 10, 2015, 09:49:15 AM

I'm still unsure about Andros Townshend. We're clear favourites with the bookies.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 10, 2015, 09:49:39 AM

Mark Bunn
Hopefully we won't be saying 'my naan could do better'.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: gervilla on July 10, 2015, 09:52:12 AM

Talksport (Yes, I know )saying Adebayor is heading our way.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 10, 2015, 09:53:44 AM

Quote from: LTA on July 10, 2015, 08:05:42 AM

Being linked with a 5 million move for Milosevic according to twitter.










Alex Milosevic that it.


http://www.turkish-football.com/aston-villa-make-e5m-bid-for-besiktas-defender/

Sign him for one million in January

Injured most the time

Sell for five million

That's how it reads

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on July 10, 2015, 10:04:00 AM

Lets hope that TalkSport have got it wrong with Adebayor -  we are just getting rid of our dross, we dont need to sign Spurs dross to take there placel!!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 10, 2015, 10:09:46 AM

Quote from: sid1964 on July 10, 2015, 10:04:00 AM

Lets hope that TalkSport have got it wrong with Adebayor -  we are just getting rid of our dross, we dont need to sign Spurs dross to take there placel!!

Would imagine he'd be wanting big bucks too!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Le Lapin on July 10, 2015, 10:15:09 AM

Quote from: gervilla on July 10, 2015, 09:52:12 AM

Talksport (Yes, I know )saying Adebayor is heading our way.

In theory he could be a great signing. But with our track record with players of this type,  ie. they have a loose relationship with their chosen profession (Stephen Ireland), it's got disaster written all over it. Big gamble.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: papa lazarou on July 10, 2015, 10:16:57 AM

I certainly wouldn't label Adebayor as dross. If he had a poor strike rate then maybe, but his goals to appearances ratio is very good. I should imagine that Tim would be confident of getting the best out of him and if he chooses to recruit him I wouldn't be disappointed. However I would hope that his wages would be mostly performance related.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on July 10, 2015, 10:21:39 AM

He wouldn't be my first choice as like others, I just don't like him and don't think he's come across very well at any of the clubs he's been at. However, Sherwood got him firing for Spurs, so I'd try to keep open-minded.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on July 10, 2015, 10:25:59 AM

Adedbayor would be a massive gamble.  Just because he's played well for Tim once doesn't mean he'll do so again.  The guy clearly has motivation issues and unless it was strictly pay as you play I'd rather steer clear.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on July 10, 2015, 10:30:28 AM

Another problem with Adebayor is that he has more family issues than Den and Angie out of Eastenders

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 10, 2015, 10:35:17 AM

Quote from: sid1964 on July 10, 2015, 10:30:28 AM

Another problem with Adebayor is that he has more family issues than Den and Angie out of Eastenders

Exactly the type of player we don't want in the club....and exactly the type of player we will get I'm afraid.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 10, 2015, 10:47:56 AM

Quote from: gervilla on July 10, 2015, 09:52:12 AM

Talksport (Yes, I know )saying Adebayor is heading our way.

Must be, Talk Shite never get it wrong ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 10, 2015, 10:59:47 AM

Another concern in having a number of African players in the squad is that every other January they head off to the ACN for the majority of January.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 10, 2015, 11:02:32 AM

Can't see anything in this because 1, it's talksport and 2, that would only leave Spurs with Kane and the hopeless Soldado (I think).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 10, 2015, 11:21:36 AM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on July 10, 2015, 09:53:44 AM

Quote from: LTA on July 10, 2015, 08:05:42 AM

Being linked with a 5 million move for Milosevic according to twitter.










Alex Milosevic that it.


http://www.turkish-football.com/aston-villa-make-e5m-bid-for-besiktas-defender/

Sign him for one million in January

Injured most the time

Sell for five million

That's how it reads

Really not sure that we need another young defender, seeing as we already have Okore, Clark and Baker.  We really could do with an experienced defender who can organise those around him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on July 10, 2015, 11:22:15 AM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 10, 2015, 10:35:17 AM

Exactly the type of player we don't want in the club....and exactly the type of player we will get I'm afraid.

What makes you say that?!

I cannot believe that TS and the other members of his coaching / advisory team would go for someone who is (i) in decline from a playing perspective, (ii) personally flaky, (iii) not exactly a team player, and (iv) used to excessively-high wages.
And anyway, he's already got one of the above: step forward Charles N'Zog.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on July 10, 2015, 11:39:46 AM

I would be gutted if we wasted money on that arse Adebayor.  I just dont get these players who will only turn up when they have a manager they like in charge - stinks of being a bad egg to me. I get players not working in certain teams styles and formations, but Adebayor has been booed and shipped out of clubs for plain laziness...a lack of effort is unacceptable for the amount of money players are paid (and the amount of money it costs fans to go and watch a game for that matter)

So Sherwood can get him going, fine. But what happens when Sherwood leaves? we are stuck with a 30+ player on high wages with no resale value. No thanks.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 10, 2015, 11:43:55 AM

Adebayor scores shitloads of goals. If he does that for us, I don't care if people think he's an arse.

There's a few ponderables in here but still... IF Benteke goes and IF we sign that young wunderkind we were linked with the other day, it might make sense to bring in an experienced player to lead the line till the teenager is ready to play regularly.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 10, 2015, 11:44:00 AM

Unless the sage that is Graham Beecroft confirms it, then I won't believe it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 10, 2015, 11:44:46 AM

Quote from: tomd2103 on July 10, 2015, 11:21:36 AM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on July 10, 2015, 09:53:44 AM

Quote from: LTA on July 10, 2015, 08:05:42 AM

Being linked with a 5 million move for Milosevic according to twitter.










Alex Milosevic that it.


http://www.turkish-football.com/aston-villa-make-e5m-bid-for-besiktas-defender/

Sign him for one million in January

Injured most the time

Sell for five million

That's how it reads

Really not sure that we need another young defender, seeing as we already have Okore, Clark and Baker.  We really could do with an experienced defender who can organise those around him.

What about Micah Richards? We should sign him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 10, 2015, 12:07:55 PM

What would he (Adebayor) cost now? Maybe a couple of million (I can't see us paying any more than a couple of million for him) and some kind of negotiation on wage to about £70k a week, so about 4 million ish a season. How many goals for that outlay becomes good value - 10? 400k a goal - much cheaper than Bent? 15> £243k per goal? Not sure, but there has to be a point where it becomes a calculated gamble. Against some of the other expensive flops we have had, I am not convinced that he would stack up worse, and would likely end up looking a lot better while Sherwood is in charge.

I would prefer someone else, but the expense/ goals I don't think would be outrageous for a couple of seasons.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villasjf on July 10, 2015, 12:24:13 PM

Confirmed by the club that Luna has left Bennet and Tonev not in the squad photos on the OS thats 7 out with Given going so far.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2015, 12:25:40 PM

I'd have no problem with us signing Adebayor because he wouldn't be on the same ludicrous money. He scores goals and it would likely be a 2 year deal or so. It's that fucking vomit inducing salute that would drive me bananas, but I'd get used to it after 15th or so time as he only does it after he scores. Adding him to the squad alongside what we have is fine. Having him be the best forward in our squad if Benteke leaves would be an issue.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 10, 2015, 12:32:35 PM

I think you're right. as a replacement for the two that have gone yes, as Benteke's replacement no, but even if it's the former it has to be on non bankrupting terms and not as a weekly lottery win to him

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 10, 2015, 12:36:48 PM

Adebayor can go and get himself rammed with the fat end of a champagne bottle.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on July 10, 2015, 12:38:36 PM

You a fan then?

I did enjoy him winding up the Arsenal fans a few years back. Arguably not the wisest move, but it was funny.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aev on July 10, 2015, 12:48:56 PM

They are probably suggesting a straight swap with Benteke.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 10, 2015, 12:58:19 PM

Hasn't this rumour come from a Tweet by resident TalkSport cocksocket "Ian "The Moose" Abrahams?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2015, 12:59:32 PM

I wonder what Adebayor's attitude would be, coming here after his career thus far.

Not one I'd take a risk on tbh.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 10, 2015, 01:33:59 PM

Fucking shit, guaranteed.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 10, 2015, 01:38:50 PM

Quote from: Ads on July 10, 2015, 12:58:19 PM

Hasn't this rumour come from a Tweet by resident TalkSport cocksocket "Ian "The Moose" Abrahams?

I don't listen to Talksport that much during pre-season but it sounds to me like they try and get one exclusive out a day.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 10, 2015, 02:03:11 PM

Quote from: Ads on July 10, 2015, 12:58:19 PM

Hasn't this rumour come from a Tweet by resident TalkSport cocksocket "Ian "The Moose" Abrahams?

Why do they call him 'The Moose'? Is it because he looks like a moose, is it because he smells like one, or is it because he's addicted to prepared desserts that incorporate air bubbles giving a light and airy texture?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 10, 2015, 02:13:58 PM

Quote from: Clampy on July 10, 2015, 01:38:50 PM

Quote from: Ads on July 10, 2015, 12:58:19 PM

Hasn't this rumour come from a Tweet by resident TalkSport cocksocket "Ian "The Moose" Abrahams?

I don't listen to Talksport that much during pre-season but it sounds to me like they try and get one exclusive out a day.

Do you reckon it is one per club?  Clearly we only discuss the Villa ones but as these typically involve another premiership club they only need ten-a-day.  Or 5, then the following day to confirm/deny/justify yesterday's bullshit.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on July 10, 2015, 02:25:02 PM

Quote from: papa lazarou on July 10, 2015, 10:16:57 AM

I certainly wouldn't label Adebayor as dross. If he had a poor strike rate then maybe, but his goals to appearances ratio is very good. I should imagine that Tim would be confident of getting the best out of him and if he chooses to recruit him I wouldn't be disappointed. However I would hope that his wages would be mostly performance related.

The problem is that we will be a hard working team for the foreseeable future and I don't see him working hard enough for the team. I don't think his attitude would be right.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on July 10, 2015, 02:31:28 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 10, 2015, 11:44:46 AM

Quote from: tomd2103 on July 10, 2015, 11:21:36 AM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on July 10, 2015, 09:53:44 AM

Quote from: LTA on July 10, 2015, 08:05:42 AM

Being linked with a 5 million move for Milosevic according to twitter.










Alex Milosevic that it.


http://www.turkish-football.com/aston-villa-make-e5m-bid-for-besiktas-defender/

Sign him for one million in January

Injured most the time

Sell for five million

That's how it reads

Really not sure that we need another young defender, seeing as we already have Okore, Clark and Baker.  We really could do with an experienced defender who can organise those around him.

What about Micah Richards? We should sign him.

I think we are being proactive, not a word normally associated with the Villa, in trying to sign replacements for ( possibly) outgoing players .In this case, imo, Vlaar or Senderos, who I personally would be sorry to see leave.
Milosovic looks good on video......but then, they all do!.
 http://footballrepublik.com/aston-villa-launch-bid-for-international-defender/?.

Just read that Vlaar is having knee surgery and will be out for 4 weeks ( approx?!)....Godzvilla!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Le Lapin on July 10, 2015, 03:05:25 PM

He might have to build his own physio room out the back garden, could be a while before he makes that "step higher" in his career at another club. Good luck to concrete Ronald.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: gervilla on July 10, 2015, 04:44:44 PM

Turkishs media are reporting fee agreed for Milosevic.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eamonn on July 10, 2015, 05:21:13 PM

Slobodan?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 10, 2015, 06:15:59 PM

Quote from: eamonn on July 10, 2015, 05:21:13 PM

Slobodan?

Bless you

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 10, 2015, 06:54:25 PM

Is Milosevic a central defender? I have not heard of him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on July 10, 2015, 07:26:33 PM

Me neither. Been talked up on Twitter, though, as part of a very good Sweden U21 defence at the Euros.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 10, 2015, 07:57:09 PM

Guzan
Hutton Richards Clark Richardson
Sanchez      Gueye
Grealish                Gil               Sinclair
Kozak

Top 8 side.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 10, 2015, 08:11:35 PM

Quote from: PaulTheVillan on July 10, 2015, 07:57:09 PM

Guzan
Hutton Richards Clark Richardson
Sanchez      Gueye
Grealish                Gil               Sinclair
Kozak

Top 8 side.

About as good as we could hope for at the moment.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Fin Feds Dad on July 10, 2015, 08:16:01 PM

Quote from: PaulTheVillan on July 10, 2015, 07:57:09 PM

Guzan
Hutton Richards Clark Richardson
Sanchez      Gueye
Grealish                Gil               Sinclair
Kozak

Top 8 side.

In the championship maybe . Nowhere near good enough for the Premier League .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Legion on July 10, 2015, 08:19:34 PM

Quote from: PaulTheVillan on July 10, 2015, 07:57:09 PM

Guzan
Hutton Richards Clark Richardson
Sanchez      Gueye
Grealish                Gil               Sinclair
Kozak

Top 8 side.

Bottom 8.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: johnny from donny on July 10, 2015, 08:24:54 PM

I'd be surprised if more than 6 of that side start against Bournemouth

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 10, 2015, 08:25:19 PM

Quote from: johnny from donny on July 10, 2015, 08:24:54 PM

I'd be surprised if more than 6 of that side start against Bournemouth

Thank god.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 10, 2015, 08:36:08 PM

Amavi, Praet, Austin and Chery to come. Hopefully!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 10, 2015, 08:55:59 PM

Quote from: PaulTheVillan on July 10, 2015, 07:57:09 PM

Guzan
Hutton Richards Clark Richardson
Sanchez      Gueye
Grealish                Gil               Sinclair
Kozak

Top 8 side.

That lot would be down with the Xmas decs

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 10, 2015, 09:08:08 PM

Quote from: PaulTheVillan on July 10, 2015, 07:57:09 PM

Guzan
Hutton Richards Clark Richardson
Sanchez      Gueye
Grealish                Gil               Sinclair
Kozak

Top 8 side.

A sobering line up that. We're down this time aren't we

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: walsall villain on July 10, 2015, 09:11:59 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 10, 2015, 09:08:08 PM

Quote from: PaulTheVillan on July 10, 2015, 07:57:09 PM

Guzan
Hutton Richards Clark Richardson
Sanchez      Gueye
Grealish                Gil               Sinclair
Kozak

Top 8 side.

A sobering line up that. We're down this time aren't we

It seems we won't be spending much more than we get in from transfers but it's far too early to predict the starting line up. I fully expect 3 or 4 more in but fear Benteke has to go first.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 10, 2015, 09:22:29 PM

How do you work that out?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 10, 2015, 09:29:28 PM

We can't assume benteke goes and assume we don't spend any of the money to improve the side

But I agree the side above would be relegated

I've got a funny feeling Gardner is going to break through this year.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: walsall villain on July 10, 2015, 09:33:21 PM

Quote from: Ads on July 10, 2015, 09:22:29 PM

How do you work that out?

Purely based on fear! I was hoping for signs that our nett spend would be more this year. Of course it still might be but I feel a wave of pessimism tonight. I am getting this horrible feeling that the much berated press were right all along and Benteke will soon be next.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 10, 2015, 09:44:36 PM

We've just spent £9 million in a midfielder and have apparently had £5 million and £9 million bids for defenders accepted, while offering a player £65k per week.

We are operating in a different market.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on July 10, 2015, 09:48:09 PM

I hope this is the last window with Lerner in control. After 9 years he's wrecked the club. Can't wait to see the back of him and his stupid silence all the time.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villatillidie25 on July 10, 2015, 09:48:23 PM

The issue being we need to bring these players in just to stand still and with the added risk that they won't be as good as Delph, Benteke and Vlaar.
So we need 3 comparable players (with a bit of luck we have 2 already) just to still remain bang average and a bottom half team. Only then can we think about pressing on and improving

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 10, 2015, 09:56:56 PM

Quote from: Ads on July 10, 2015, 09:44:36 PM

We've just spent £9 million in a midfielder and have apparently had £5 million and £9 million bids for defenders accepted, while offering a player £65k per week.

We are operating in a different market.

Not really. We have the new TV money yet again we are scrimping and doing things on the cheap. Benteke will go in the next few weeks and sherwood will probably get about 50% of the proceeds to make do with.

Feel totally mugged off tonight by the club.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Le Lapin on July 10, 2015, 10:16:56 PM

The Gueye signing, if true, should be a feel-good event for us. But with the shite with Delph it all has an empty feeling. Sherwood has his work cut out for him this season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on July 10, 2015, 10:23:45 PM

Quote from: Villafirst on July 10, 2015, 09:48:09 PM

I hope this is the last window with Lerner in control. After 9 years he's wrecked the club. Can't wait to see the back of him and his stupid silence all the time.

the club was wrecked when he bought it too.

The last O'Leary/Ellis season was awful, not as bad as the last two though statistically

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: richard moore on July 10, 2015, 10:27:39 PM

Quote from: Villatillidie25 on July 10, 2015, 09:48:23 PM

The issue being we need to bring these players in just to stand still and with the added risk that they won't be as good as Delph, Benteke and Vlaar.
So we need 3 comparable players (with a bit of luck we have 2 already) just to still remain bang average and a bottom half team. Only then can we think about pressing on and improving

Two out of that three are actually not that good. They constitute one third of a team that all but got relegated last season and that produced some seriously embarrassing performances

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 10, 2015, 10:30:21 PM

Quote from: Villafirst on July 10, 2015, 09:48:09 PM

I hope this is the last window with Lerner in control. After 9 years he's wrecked the club. Can't wait to see the back of him and his stupid silence all the time.

Wrecked? In what way?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 10, 2015, 10:31:18 PM

Let's just hope sherwood has an eye for a player. Micah Richards is his first ever signing as a manager and I'd say it's a good start, Gueye is a bit of an unknown quantity.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on July 10, 2015, 10:31:53 PM

Quote from: PaulTheVillan on July 10, 2015, 07:57:09 PM

Guzan
Hutton Richards Clark Richardson
Sanchez      Gueye
Grealish                Gil               Sinclair
Kozak

Top 8 side.

That's a scary team and one likely to deliver on 5 years of struggle finally ending in relegation.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 10, 2015, 10:32:53 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on July 10, 2015, 10:23:45 PM

Quote from: Villafirst on July 10, 2015, 09:48:09 PM

I hope this is the last window with Lerner in control. After 9 years he's wrecked the club. Can't wait to see the back of him and his stupid silence all the time.

the club was wrecked when he bought it too.

The last O'Leary/Ellis season was awful, not as bad as the last two though statistically

The 5 0 at spurs that season was awful. Most heartless display I can remember.

There is no evidence we won't spend too replace. Let's see what happens before being critical this summer

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 10, 2015, 10:44:09 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 10, 2015, 10:32:53 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on July 10, 2015, 10:23:45 PM

Quote from: Villafirst on July 10, 2015, 09:48:09 PM

I hope this is the last window with Lerner in control. After 9 years he's wrecked the club. Can't wait to see the back of him and his stupid silence all the time.

the club was wrecked when he bought it too.

The last O'Leary/Ellis season was awful, not as bad as the last two though statistically

The 5 0 at spurs that season was awful. Most heartless display I can remember.

There is no evidence we won't spend too replace. Let's see what happens before being critical this summer

We've had far far worse since

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on July 10, 2015, 10:46:06 PM

Quote from: PaulTheVillan on July 10, 2015, 07:57:09 PM

Guzan
Hutton Richards Clark Richardson
Sanchez      Gueye
Grealish                Gil               Sinclair
Kozak

Top 8 side.

Ive said it before but I firmly believe Micah Richards will be a disaster of a signing for us

those full backs wont improve next season

the four up front have played about 3.5 good games for us in total

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: walsall villain on July 10, 2015, 10:49:33 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on July 10, 2015, 10:46:06 PM

Quote from: PaulTheVillan on July 10, 2015, 07:57:09 PM

Guzan
Hutton Richards Clark Richardson
Sanchez      Gueye
Grealish                Gil               Sinclair
Kozak

Top 8 side.

Ive said it before but I firmly believe Micah Richards will be a disaster of a signing for us

those full backs wont improve next season

the four up front have played about 3.5 good games for us in total

We might be able to pick up a player or two on loan just before the transfer window shuts. Players who haven't featured much in the first few weeks of the season like, er, Delph.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 10, 2015, 10:53:30 PM

I've just seen an article in which the stand out words were Andros Townsend and £15 million

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 10, 2015, 11:02:57 PM

Hmmm, Delph back on loan, I've heard madder things this week .
Lads let's pause the Delph abuse momentarily  ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 10, 2015, 11:14:40 PM

He can fuck off.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 10, 2015, 11:15:03 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 10, 2015, 11:02:57 PM

Hmmm, Delph back on loan, I've heard madder things this week .
Lads let's pause the Delph abuse momentarily  ;)

Nah, fuck him. Onwards and upwards.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 10, 2015, 11:16:39 PM

Quote from: Ads on July 10, 2015, 11:14:40 PM

He can fuck off.

I said momentarily , fuck off you spawny lying walking yellow card , non scoring non assisting folically challenged BS winking merchant .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villan from luton on July 10, 2015, 11:29:35 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on July 10, 2015, 10:46:06 PM

Quote from: PaulTheVillan on July 10, 2015, 07:57:09 PM

Guzan
Hutton Richards Clark Richardson
Sanchez      Gueye
Grealish                Gil               Sinclair
Kozak

Top 8 side.

Ive said it before but I firmly believe Micah Richards will be a disaster of a signing for us

those full backs wont improve next season

the four up front have played about 3.5 good games for us in total

May I ask why you think a top premiership player would be a disaster with us given that he could have had more money going elsewhere?

Richardson wont be the first choice left back come the start of the season

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on July 10, 2015, 11:38:15 PM

Kyle Walker, Jordan Amavi, Wojciech Szczęsny, James Chester, Robbie Brady, Loic Remy, Fellaini (on loan) - all tomorrow please

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2015, 11:49:43 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 10, 2015, 09:08:08 PM

Quote from: PaulTheVillan on July 10, 2015, 07:57:09 PM

Guzan
Hutton Richards Clark Richardson
Sanchez      Gueye
Grealish                Gil               Sinclair
Kozak

Top 8 side.

A sobering line up that. We're down this time aren't we

Yes with 7 weeks to go in the transfer window it's all over.  And like you I have no doubt that we won't buy anybody else.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Gareth on July 11, 2015, 12:03:39 AM

Not one player had a season that reached above adequate (odd decent game but largely lame) so my attitude is if they want to go eff them off, if we want them to go eff them off....Delph & Benteke included.  Clear the decks and rebuild.  At the start of last season I had Soton down as bottom 6 but losing best players didn't kill them.

Seven or eight new first team players might just be the tonic we need....not crap like Bacuna, Luna, El Ahmadi but good quality starters....8th is perfectly attainable, another year scrapping for 17th is unthinkable.

If Benteke is going get it done.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 11, 2015, 12:04:11 AM

Quote from: villan from luton on July 10, 2015, 11:29:35 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on July 10, 2015, 10:46:06 PM

Quote from: PaulTheVillan on July 10, 2015, 07:57:09 PM

Guzan
Hutton Richards Clark Richardson
Sanchez      Gueye
Grealish                Gil               Sinclair
Kozak

Top 8 side.

Ive said it before but I firmly believe Micah Richards will be a disaster of a signing for us

those full backs wont improve next season

the four up front have played about 3.5 good games for us in total

May I ask why you think a top premiership player would be a disaster with us given that he could have had more money going elsewhere?

I'm going to take a guess at this one. Because he doesn't think Richards is a "top premiership player"?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mrfuse on July 11, 2015, 12:27:44 AM

Quote from: olaftab on July 10, 2015, 10:31:53 PM

Quote from: PaulTheVillan on July 10, 2015, 07:57:09 PM

Guzan
Hutton Richards Clark Richardson
Sanchez      Gueye
Grealish                Gil               Sinclair
Kozak

Top 8 side.

That's a scary team and one likely to deliver on 5 years of struggle finally ending in relegation.

Im hoping that was tongue in cheek?

That teams worse than the one thats just finished 3 points from relegation.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 11, 2015, 12:33:48 AM

Where do we reckon we will finish if we end up with

                 Guzan
       Richards Okore Clark
Bacuna                        Amavi
        Sanchez    Gueye
Grealish                       Townsend         
               Austin

For example. Much has been made of us going 3-5-2 and this would be more 3-6-1 but includes the ones we have been linked with so far this window. Still need another couple of midfield options for flexibility, a centre half in there somewhere squad wise and a right back option, but might not be as scary as the side above, and I am trying to give myself a bit of comfort!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 11, 2015, 01:05:27 AM

Qpr went down with Austin and a shit team around him
That's the concern

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 11, 2015, 01:13:02 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 11, 2015, 01:05:27 AM

Qpr went down with Austin and a shit team around him
That's the concern

Agree there. If we want to get out of our yearly relegation mess then we simply have to buy a step above our level. Austin aint. We desperately need an injection of spending and quality. Rummaging through the squad sheets of fellow relation battlers just won't help us.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 11, 2015, 01:17:46 AM

Austin scored what, 18 league goals last season? He might have gone down, but if Benteke goes I would prefer someone who knows how to score goals than not.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 11, 2015, 06:46:15 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 11, 2015, 12:33:48 AM

Where do we reckon we will finish if we end up with

                 Guzan
       Richards Okore Clark
Bacuna                        Amavi
        Sanchez    Gueye
Grealish                       Townsend         
               Austin

For example. Much has been made of us going 3-5-2 and this would be more 3-6-1 but includes the ones we have been linked with so far this window. Still need another couple of midfield options for flexibility, a centre half in there somewhere squad wise and a right back option, but might not be as scary as the side above, and I am trying to give myself a bit of comfort!

I am not convinced by Bacuna or Okore, please don't hate me, or Clark. There I said it. Much improved last season but he's played 120 and now really needs to kick on.  I think they are all nimble centre backs but not really commanding. I like the idea of us from an attacking perspective Jim, but would need Sanchez to get up to speed PDQ, Gueye will also need to hit the ground running too. Austin, I like too but I wonder if we need another bigger striker in there who is big, but nimble to upset defenders.  Who would you have as Captain? What would your bench look like? That side would certainly be quick on the counter.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on July 11, 2015, 07:01:12 AM

Me being cynical, money recouped on transfers is already more than spent. Sherwood will be lucky to see half of the Benteke money. Lerner recouping as much as he can at the detriment of the club. We need him out!!!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: spangley1812 on July 11, 2015, 07:04:33 AM

             Guzan
       Richards Okore Clark
Bacuna                        Amavi
        Sanchez    Gueye
Sinclair                       A N Other         
               Austin

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 11, 2015, 07:05:03 AM

£15m on Townsend is a big no no for me

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: spangley1812 on July 11, 2015, 07:07:50 AM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 11, 2015, 07:05:03 AM

£15m on Townsend is a big no no for me

I would go for him only if we can shift N'Zogbia...........

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on July 11, 2015, 07:13:53 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 11, 2015, 12:33:48 AM

Where do we reckon we will finish if we end up with

                 Guzan
       Richards Okore Clark
Bacuna                        Amavi
        Sanchez    Gueye
Grealish                       Townsend         
               Austin

For example. Much has been made of us going 3-5-2 and this would be more 3-6-1 but includes the ones we have been linked with so far this window. Still need another couple of midfield options for flexibility, a centre half in there somewhere squad wise and a right back option, but might not be as scary as the side above, and I am trying to give myself a bit of comfort!

I think that is likely back 7 at this stage. Austin looked comfortably good enough for the top division last season but is very much a penalty box forward. Seemed to do best feeding off the likes of Zamora so not sure he would be suited to playing up top by himself. The money being quoted for him is ridiculous too, Javier Hernandez will prob go for half his fee. Id prefer to see an Andy Townsend comeback than Andross. Sincerely hope we dont go in for that one trick pony at the crazy money being reported.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Virgil Caine on July 11, 2015, 07:32:55 AM

Quote from: spangley1812 on July 11, 2015, 07:04:33 AM

             Guzan
       Richards Okore Clark
Bacuna                        Amavi
        Sanchez    Gueye
Sinclair                       A N Other         
               Austin

Happy to have Carles Gill instead of A.N Other as the latter is over-rated and has been anonymous in most games I have seen him play.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 11, 2015, 07:37:45 AM

This has got to be the busiest transfer (inwards) we've ever seen. We need a player in almost every position.

I've got faith in Sherwood to do it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Fin Feds Dad on July 11, 2015, 07:38:54 AM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 11, 2015, 07:05:03 AM

£15m on Townsend is a big no no for me

Crazy money - would much rather see Carles Gil given a proper chance than waste £15M on a similar player .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on July 11, 2015, 07:45:51 AM

Quote from: spangley1812 on July 11, 2015, 07:07:50 AM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 11, 2015, 07:05:03 AM

£15m on Townsend is a big no no for me

I would go for him only if we can shift N'Zogbia...........

why put a conditional on a purchase, when N'Zog is completely redundant anyway. We have to get rid of him regardless.
As for Townsend, I'm not a great fan and think that £15m could be spent more usefully.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: manic-road on July 11, 2015, 07:58:24 AM

Quote from: TheMalandro on July 11, 2015, 07:37:45 AM

This has got to be the busiest transfer (inwards) we've ever seen. We need a player in almost every position.

I've got faith in Sherwood to do it.

I have faith in Sherwood to do it as well, I just don't have faith in the owner to allow him to do it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 11, 2015, 08:01:05 AM

Quote from: spangley1812 on July 11, 2015, 07:07:50 AM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 11, 2015, 07:05:03 AM

£15m on Townsend is a big no no for me

I would go for him only if we can shift N'Zogbia...........

I would go for him only if we wanted to confirm our intention to slip meekly into the Championship while wasting millions along the way.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: spangley1812 on July 11, 2015, 08:01:19 AM

Quote from: Mister E on July 11, 2015, 07:45:51 AM

Quote from: spangley1812 on July 11, 2015, 07:07:50 AM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 11, 2015, 07:05:03 AM

£15m on Townsend is a big no no for me

I would go for him only if we can shift N'Zogbia...........

why put a conditional on a purchase, when N'Zog is completely redundant anyway. We have to get rid of him regardless.
As for Townsend, I'm not a great fan and think that £15m could be spent more usefully.

I see N'Zog as redundant as well but I fear Tim quite likes him......see FA Cup Final selection and he is the one player who hasn't been linked with a move away this summer

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 11, 2015, 08:04:32 AM

Given his performances for us, who do you feel is likely to beating a path to our door to sign him?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on July 11, 2015, 08:12:24 AM

When you strip away all the fat and ignore the shit in the papers about this bid and that bid (which are frankly 95%bs) the stone cold facts are that we survived last season by the absolute skin of our teeth. Our 3 best players (when fit for more than 4 games) are Vlaar, Delph, Benteke - the spine of our team and the ones the invariably put in the big performances when it mattered. So far we have a net spend of -3m give or take (assuming Delph goes today) and probably have a decent saving on wages. I'm all for people not losing their shit and saying there's still a few weeks till the season starts but it's understandable at the moment isn't it?...coupled with the fact we are completely in the dark about the future of the club things feel really negative.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: rob_bridge on July 11, 2015, 08:27:52 AM

15m on Townsend. The latest 10 game wonder. Please no.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 11, 2015, 08:30:39 AM

What the Tottenham-loving Cockney media say he's going to go for, and what we are likely to bid in reality, are two different things.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JJ-AV on July 11, 2015, 08:53:07 AM

£15m on Townsend seems steep.

We'd be better spending £5m on Aaron Lennon and getting another couple of Premier League players with the left-overs: Ospina & Fer for example.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 11, 2015, 09:24:53 AM

at the moment it looks like no  actual  transfer budget from Randy just cash from sales - I suppose that could indicate that a deal is in the offing for the club, but if it stays like this, it's another season of toil. I don't blame Delph, Ron or Benteke for going, but people are entitled to feel pissed off about Delph in respect of the player and club's behaviour

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: andyh on July 11, 2015, 09:34:25 AM

£5m on Townsend is too much!
Another Richardson/Sinclair type player.....a reputation built on hype because they had a few good games once and played for a 'big' club.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: warleyboy on July 11, 2015, 09:41:11 AM

As Jim Watts said," Villa are a massive club".
So going from a big to massive club is a step up for him, pmsl.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 11, 2015, 09:50:03 AM

I don't think Townsend would be a bad move but not for £15m. I reckon we need another midfielder, a left back, a centre half to replace Ron who's sat  waiting by the phone and another striker.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 11, 2015, 09:50:15 AM

Townsend would be a really good signing, although £15m would be over the top. I'd say the £12m mentioned recently would be plenty.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 11, 2015, 09:52:50 AM

Vlaar is shit by the way, and i'm damn sure Richards will be a marked improvement. If we can get Okore to fulfill the early promise it could be a good pair, but i would like another decent centre back in anyway.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 11, 2015, 09:57:54 AM

Losing vlaar, cleverley and delph for £8m is a problem. We have cleared a lot of the wage bill though.

It would be great if grealish and Gardner could really step up and we could make the right choice in replacing benteke. Much easier said than done though.

I wonder what proportion of last season's goals were scored by players who won't be at the club this year? Since Sherwood arrived that will be even higher

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 11, 2015, 09:58:26 AM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 11, 2015, 09:50:15 AM

Townsend would be a really good signing, although £15m would be over the top. I'd say the £12m mentioned recently would be plenty.

I appreciate this is a discussion that happens every time he is mentioned as a possible signing, but what about it would be good?

He doesn't score, he doesn't create chances for others, he just runs up and down and takes a competent penalty.

What am I missing?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 11, 2015, 10:07:21 AM

I think if we got in the likes of Austin or Remy, or maybe both, Praet - who I want despite never having heard of him up until about 2 weeks ago - Amarvi (sp?) the left back, Townsend, I think that will be a decent return to replace those that have left/seem to be leaving. Its also a chance to rebuild from sort of scratch and to move away from the rigid team of seemingly having to always pass through Delph to Benteke.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JD on July 11, 2015, 10:11:24 AM

Quote from: peter w on July 11, 2015, 10:07:21 AM

I think if we got in the likes of Austin or Remy, or maybe both, Praet - who I want despite never having heard of him up until about 2 weeks ago - Amarvi (sp?) the left back, Townsend, I think that will be a decent return to replace those that have left/seem to be leaving. Its also a chance to rebuild from sort of scratch and to move away from the rigid team of seemingly having to always pass through Delph to Benteke.

Totally agree Peter. Although they are now reporting on Sky Sports that Red Scouse are no longer interested in Benteke.   

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 11, 2015, 10:13:53 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 11, 2015, 09:57:54 AM

Losing vlaar, cleverley and delph for £8m is a problem. We have cleared a lot of the wage bill though.

You can't say we've lost Vlaar and Cleverley for £8m. They had nothing to so with Delph's transfer fee and Cleverley wasn't our payer anyway.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 11, 2015, 10:27:37 AM

Quote from: JD on July 11, 2015, 10:11:24 AM

Quote from: peter w on July 11, 2015, 10:07:21 AM

I think if we got in the likes of Austin or Remy, or maybe both, Praet - who I want despite never having heard of him up until about 2 weeks ago - Amarvi (sp?) the left back, Townsend, I think that will be a decent return to replace those that have left/seem to be leaving. Its also a chance to rebuild from sort of scratch and to move away from the rigid team of seemingly having to always pass through Delph to Benteke.

Totally agree Peter. Although they are now reporting on Sky Sports that Red Scouse are no longer interested in Benteke.   

Hopefully. But that could also be the age old trick of saying publicly that a club is not interested hoping that the player puts pressure on his club to move. If there has been a lot of contact between Liverpool and Benteke's agent then this may just be the first stage in attempting to unsettle and spoiling the hitherto decent relationship between Benteke and Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on July 11, 2015, 10:27:38 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 11, 2015, 09:57:54 AM

Losing vlaar, cleverley and delph for £8m is a problem. We have cleared a lot of the wage bill though.

It would be great if grealish and Gardner could really step up and we could make the right choice in replacing benteke. Much easier said than done though.

I wonder what proportion of last season's goals were scored by players who won't be at the club this year? Since Sherwood arrived that will be even higher

Given, Bent, Weimann off the wage bill too this summer with only Gueye and Richards coming in so far

we should have plenty of cash to bring in players

Benteke might be running out of potential suitors at this stage, unfortunately he would be ideal for Spurs especially if this Townsend story has legs....

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 11, 2015, 10:37:50 AM

Townsend Walker and a fully subsidised Adebayor and they can have him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 11, 2015, 10:39:49 AM

Yeah, I'd take that.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JD on July 11, 2015, 10:41:45 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 11, 2015, 10:37:50 AM

Townsend Walker and a fully subsidised Adebayor and they can have him.

Plus around £8m as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Damo70 on July 11, 2015, 10:45:11 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 11, 2015, 10:37:50 AM

Townsend Walker and a fully subsidised Adebayor and they can have him.

Townsend and Walker on permanent deals and Adebayor on a season long loan. Whenever he has a change of club or manager he seems to respond well in the short term but then it goes tits up so I wouldn't want to be stuck with him in the long term.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john2710 on July 11, 2015, 10:52:46 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 11, 2015, 01:05:27 AM

Qpr went down with Austin and a shit team around him
That's the concern

We missed it by a whisper, with Benteke and a shit team around him.

We need a big influx of quality additions, right through the team. We'll loose most of our quality & a sizeable chuck of the shite. If Benteke goes, we should have £60m to spend & the wage bill should have already dropped by £300k / week.

Out: Given £60k, Vlar £30k, Stephens £10k, Lowton £25k, Luna £10k, Delph £50k, Cleverley £40k, Weimann £30k, Bent £60k, Hellnius £10k. Total £325k

With Benteke £50k, Herd £20k, Bennett £15k, Tonev £15k & maybe Cole £30k, Gil £25k, Senderos £25k, Cissokko £30k to follow. Total £210k

In: Richards £60k, Sinclair £40k & Gueye £40k Total £140k

It needs to be a very busy few weeks & I'm confident that it will be. We've needed a revolution, the mentality of Lamberts squad was defeatist. We'll see 6 new first team players & a couple of loans before the window closes. Then we need tohope it all gels.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 11, 2015, 10:58:41 AM

I reckon we need another left back, a centre half to replace Ron who's sat waiting for the phone to ring, another midfielder and a striker. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on July 11, 2015, 11:02:35 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 11, 2015, 10:37:50 AM

Townsend Walker and a fully subsidised Adebayor and they can have him.

Think Dembele could be an ideal replacement for Delph, hasnt happened for him at Spurs but lots of ability

Walker, Dembele and Fazio instead would be better.

Ben Davies too if the Amavi deal falls through

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve R on July 11, 2015, 11:05:27 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 11, 2015, 09:57:54 AM

...
I wonder what proportion of last season's goals were scored by players who won't be at the club this year? Since Sherwood arrived that will be even higher

Interesting one.

31 league goals last season, 6 scored by players who have now left the club. Weimann got 3 and Cleverley 3 which I am guessing represents an even split under Lambert and Sherwood too. Neither Vlaar nor Delph scored in the league.

We had just the 10 league scorers, Benteke (13), Agbnlahor (6), Weimann, Cleverley and then Sinclair, Okore, Clark, Hutton, Cole and Sanchez with 1 each.

We did score 9 in the FA cup, with 3 from departees (Weimann  and Delph (2)). Nobody scored the the League Cup.

(I think) we lost a total of 18 first teamers with injury at one time or other. According to Wiki, Vlaar was out for a total of 22 weeks injured and one week suspended - which is staggering, Delph missed 9 or 10 weeks injured and 2 or 3 suspended, which I had completely forgotten.

Of the players who are still here, we had one voted player of the month, Benteke in April, and one found asleep in the road, which deserved some kind of award.

What a fuck awful season it really was; statistically at least we have not lost a great deal.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 11, 2015, 11:14:12 AM

Quote from: brontebilly on July 11, 2015, 11:02:35 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 11, 2015, 10:37:50 AM

Townsend Walker and a fully subsidised Adebayor and they can have him.

Think Dembele could be an ideal replacement for Delph, hasnt happened for him at Spurs but lots of ability

Walker, Dembele and Fazio instead would be better.

Ben Davies too if the Amavi deal falls through

Dembele is a good shout and i've always liked Ben Davis, he looked great at Swansea.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 11, 2015, 11:20:50 AM

Townsend, walker, Dembele , Rose and Adebayour (loan subsidised) and they get Benteke.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 11, 2015, 11:22:11 AM

Quote from: brontebilly on July 11, 2015, 11:02:35 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 11, 2015, 10:37:50 AM

Townsend Walker and a fully subsidised Adebayor and they can have him.

Think Dembele could be an ideal replacement for Delph, hasnt happened for him at Spurs but lots of ability

Dembele would be a great replacement for Delph.  From what I have read he flatters to deceive a bit, but does have quality and is left footed so would slot in easily.  I think it was on the guardian podcast where they explained that as a kid he played football in a cage or something with no goals and the objective was to simply keep the ball for as long as possible, as a consequence - the theory goes - that he lacks direction and a killer instinct.

The spurs factor puts me off though as I cannot imagine them selling him at a 'reserve' level price.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 11, 2015, 11:47:04 AM

Been linked with Mason Holgate from Barnsley. Never heard of him, is he any good?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 11, 2015, 11:49:17 AM

Actually saw him play live for Barnsley v Walsall last season, he actually impressed as he was quick and strong with the ball.

Still he'd be in the development signing category than the signed with instant impact to help us climb the league which are signings we need a lot more of.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 11, 2015, 11:57:02 AM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 11, 2015, 11:49:17 AM

Actually saw him play live for Barnsley v Walsall last season, he actually impressed as he was quick and strong with the ball.

Still he'd be in the development signing category than the signed with instant impact to help us climb the league which are signings we need a lot more of.

Wiki lists him simply as a defender, is he a LB, RB or CB?
I don't mind us signing youngsters but they need to supplemented by a few first team players.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 11, 2015, 11:59:08 AM

He played at right back that day.

Reminded me a bit of Kyle Walker way he played but that's only one game and at least we do have plenty of options at RB and in defence so more a long term signing.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on July 11, 2015, 12:31:21 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 11, 2015, 11:22:11 AM

Quote from: brontebilly on July 11, 2015, 11:02:35 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 11, 2015, 10:37:50 AM

Townsend Walker and a fully subsidised Adebayor and they can have him.

Think Dembele could be an ideal replacement for Delph, hasnt happened for him at Spurs but lots of ability

Dembele would be a great replacement for Delph.  From what I have read he flatters to deceive a bit, but does have quality and is left footed so would slot in easily.  I think it was on the guardian podcast where they explained that as a kid he played football in a cage or something with no goals and the objective was to simply keep the ball for as long as possible, as a consequence - the theory goes - that he lacks direction and a killer instinct.

The spurs factor puts me off though as I cannot imagine them selling him at a 'reserve' level price.

Considering the fee they are reported to have got for Capoeue, then yes we arent going to be getting anything cheap off them

They do need a forward though, their options up front are crap

Dembele like Delph can glide past opponents in tight spaces, Dembele would have better close control and physically a lot stronger.

Delph though to be fair is a lot more dynamic and direct.

There was talk one time that he would be the next Spurs player that would end up at Real Madrid but has lost his way.

Maybe getting him further up the pitch with Gueye and Sanchez behind him, thats a decent trio.

Getting in a player of his talent and experience, 56 caps for Belgium, would be a huge boost.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 11, 2015, 12:54:39 PM

Dembele is a funny one

He looks to have an awful lot of class but he flatters to deceive

At the right price I'd take a punt. But I doubt we'd get the right price

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 11, 2015, 01:50:01 PM

Quote from: PaulTheVillan on July 10, 2015, 07:57:09 PM

Guzan
Hutton Richards Clark Richardson
Sanchez      Gueye
Grealish                Gil               Sinclair
Kozak

Top 8 side.

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D in the championship maybe

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on July 11, 2015, 02:49:28 PM

I am concerned about the names that we are rumoured to be linked with (I know it is only media taking a punt in many cases) and some of the names being discussed on here.

My feeling is that you should not buy somebody that is coming after failing at a big club unless their attitude is spot on.  They also generally come with a high price tag as well.  I would much rather go for a lesser known player from Europe but of a similar quality and take a chance on them fitting in.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 11, 2015, 03:55:21 PM

I'd look at Leroy Fer as a replacement for Delph. Yes, I know he's been relegated twice in 2 years but I'd still take a punt for the right price. I'd also like us to take a look at Will Hughes, who's overdue to step up into the Premiership now.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KevinEaton on July 11, 2015, 04:34:06 PM

Why are we looking at replacements for Delph? He's staying!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 11, 2015, 05:03:18 PM

If Spurs want Benteke, give us Walker, Dembele and Townsend. Straight swap. Forget Adebayor, too much baggage. Walker 7.5m, Townsend 10m, Dembele 15m.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 11, 2015, 05:08:58 PM

I wouldnt be at all shocked to find Benteke has signed a new contract after today's most welcome news.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 11, 2015, 05:17:31 PM

I reckon we'll loan Cleverely for a season too, now.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 11, 2015, 07:09:46 PM

I reckon if we look around Bodymoor Heath, we'll find that James Milner didn't leave after all.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 11, 2015, 09:17:18 PM

Now Delph is staying, let's get rid of that Idrissa Gueye. He's done nothing for us.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: warleyboy on July 12, 2015, 09:18:16 AM

One things for sure, if we are considering any more players, get them signed up ASAP and get them involved in pre season sharpish.
Non of this pissing around crap with excuses afterwards because they have not got a pre season under there belts.
Do it now, left back, right back, centre back, striker.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on July 12, 2015, 09:29:32 AM

Quote from: RussellC on July 11, 2015, 03:55:21 PM

I'd look at Leroy Fer as a replacement for Delph. Yes, I know he's been relegated twice in 2 years but I'd still take a punt for the right price.

Yes he comes with relegation guaranteed the missing ingredient in our recent history!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 12, 2015, 09:40:44 AM

Quote from: Des Little on July 11, 2015, 09:17:18 PM

Now Delph is staying, let's get rid of that Idrissa Gueye. He's done nothing for us.

Sorry but anyone striding through BHX arrivals in a trilby gets my vote.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on July 12, 2015, 09:57:00 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 12, 2015, 09:40:44 AM

Quote from: Des Little on July 11, 2015, 09:17:18 PM

Now Delph is staying, let's get rid of that Idrissa Gueye. He's done nothing for us.

Sorry but anyone striding through BHX arrivals in a trilby gets my vote.

Agree, best wearing of titfer since Flash Harry in St Trinians

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: in exile on July 12, 2015, 12:05:49 PM

Anyone remember the Hofmeister bear?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 12, 2015, 12:22:45 PM

How can any professional footballer shoot as badly as Tonev does? After that friendly I'm beginning to think it's some X-Men like power to be that consistently shit at it. Will he be going anywhere?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 12, 2015, 12:38:37 PM

If Gueye can play a defensive role that could allow Delph to push forward

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 12, 2015, 12:43:37 PM

Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 12, 2015, 12:22:45 PM

How can any professional footballer shoot as badly as Tonev does? After that friendly I'm beginning to think it's some X-Men like power to be that consistently shit at it. Will he be going anywhere?

Haven't seen it but that would suggest he's as bad as when he came when suggests our coaches are diabolical or Tonev is truly breathtakingly shit. I must admit after seeing him the first couple of times I thought he was a poor mans Michael Boulding.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 12, 2015, 12:44:30 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 12, 2015, 12:38:37 PM

If Gueye can play a defensive role that could allow Delph to push forward

He can and will, with Sanchez next to him,. Delph can join Gil and Grealish who will be just behind Benteke or Kozac.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 12, 2015, 12:48:06 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 12, 2015, 12:44:30 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 12, 2015, 12:38:37 PM

If Gueye can play a defensive role that could allow Delph to push forward

He can and will, with Sanchez next to him,. Delph can join Gil and Grealish who will be just behind Benteke or Kozac.

Provided we keep Benteke we look pretty well covered midfield and attack wise. I'd spend any remaining money on several defenders.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 12, 2015, 12:57:00 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 12, 2015, 12:44:30 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 12, 2015, 12:38:37 PM

If Gueye can play a defensive role that could allow Delph to push forward

He can and will, with Sanchez next to him,. Delph can join Gil and Grealish who will be just behind Benteke or Kozac.

Gueye sounds like he can sit in front of the defence or play similarly to Delph. So that gives the option to have 2 sitting or having 1 sitting and having both Delph and Gueye pushing on.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 12, 2015, 01:01:33 PM

I quite like the 4231 formation. Not sure Westwood or Sanchez are good enough though, we'll see. Delph Chery and Grealish as the three? Sinclair, Gil as back up. Good options going forward. Will need a great target man if Benteke goes though. I also think we need a commanding keeper and centre back. Still lots of bargaining to do for Tim Tom Paddy. Amavi hopefully in this week and we let a few more go.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 12, 2015, 01:09:04 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 12, 2015, 09:40:44 AM

Quote from: Des Little on July 11, 2015, 09:17:18 PM

Now Delph is staying, let's get rid of that Idrissa Gueye. He's done nothing for us.

Sorry but anyone striding through BHX arrivals in a trilby gets my vote.

Pretty much any flight in from the Med this summer will be full of 'em. Fill your boots!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Damo70 on July 12, 2015, 01:13:31 PM

Quote from: in exile on July 12, 2015, 12:05:49 PM

Anyone remember the Hofmeister bear?

I remember a mate of mine deciding to go to Old Trafford dressed as the Hofmeister bear in the late eighties/early nineties. Despite the fact the rest of us chose a theme and went as priests, nuns and monks. He also for some reason decided to add to the look by purchasing a large inflatable cigarette from the fancy dress place. It wasn't practical for him to wear the head inside the ground so while the rest of us were messing about in fancy dress he stood there in what today people would just presume was a novelty onesie.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on July 12, 2015, 01:14:21 PM

I think we desperately need a goal scoring 'inside forward' type player.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on July 12, 2015, 01:39:34 PM

Quote from: old man villa fan on July 12, 2015, 01:14:21 PM

I think we desperately need a goal scoring 'inside forward' type player.

Same. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 12, 2015, 01:46:41 PM

Quote from: old man villa fan on July 12, 2015, 01:14:21 PM

I think we desperately need a goal scoring 'inside forward' type player.
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Quote from: old man villa fan on July 12, 2015, 01:14:21 PM

I think we desperately need a goal scoring 'inside forward' type player.

Sinclair could do it. He knocked in a couple last season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2015, 01:48:23 PM

Quote from: old man villa fan on July 12, 2015, 01:14:21 PM

I think we desperately need a goal scoring 'inside forward' type player.

Very much so. The thought of a Benteke injury and Gabby trying to fill that role or the inside forward type role scares me. He isn't clever enough to be that player and this might sound odd, but he's not quick enough either. Give Gabby space on the break or a channel to run into versus a defender he'll 8 or 9 times out of 10 win that race. But in tight spaces you need quickness in thought and action and he doesn't have it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on July 12, 2015, 01:52:52 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on July 12, 2015, 01:39:34 PM

Quote from: old man villa fan on July 12, 2015, 01:14:21 PM

I think we desperately need a goal scoring 'inside forward' type player.

Same. 

Gil?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on July 12, 2015, 02:01:25 PM

Grealish, once he gets his first:-)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 12, 2015, 02:12:29 PM

Gil is that player for me. In yesterdays friendly Gil always wants the ball and can see a pass. And a run. His touch is natural and he has great balance. There has been massive speculation why Sherwood has not played him, but I am now hoping maybe through the guidance from Wilkins that he becomes a permanent first team member .....

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2015, 02:15:16 PM

Hoping that the fact that he started yesterday and played well is a sign of much things to come for Carles

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 12, 2015, 02:44:25 PM

Cherry looks ideal for that role to me, eye for goal, skillful, creative etc. For £4m it seems a pretty decent deal to me. Not a new kid on the block either.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 12, 2015, 05:02:30 PM

If Chery has broken into the national squad, he can't be a bad player. How often do you get to sign a Dutch international for that sort of money? Vlaar aside!!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on July 12, 2015, 05:05:22 PM

I do not see Gil or Grealish being 15 goals a season players.

In the league we need to be looking towards 50 goals.  Where are they going to come from?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rigadon on July 12, 2015, 06:03:05 PM

Quote from: Newby on July 12, 2015, 05:02:30 PM

If Chery has broken into the national squad, he can't be a bad player. How often do you get to sign a Dutch international for that sort of money? Vlaar aside!!

A broken chery?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on July 12, 2015, 06:19:10 PM

Quote from: old man villa fan on July 12, 2015, 05:05:22 PM

I do not see Gil or Grealish being 15 goals a season players.

In the league we need to be looking towards 50 goals.  Where are they going to come from?

Think Delph will play further forward next term and should chip in with more goals.

The addition of attacking wing backs like Bacuna and Amavi (or Kyle Walker, Ben Davies) should create a lot more chances too as opposed to Hutton and Cissokho.

Still need more quality up front though, Gabby will probably chip in with 5-8 goals. If Gil/Grealish/Nzogbia get 8 goals between them I will be surprised.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: nodge on July 12, 2015, 07:00:48 PM

Quote from: warleyboy on July 12, 2015, 09:18:16 AM

One things for sure, if we are considering any more players, get them signed up ASAP and get them involved in pre season sharpish.
Non of this pissing around crap with excuses afterwards because they have not got a pre season under there belts.
Do it now, left back, right back, centre back, striker.

I read that last bit as the end of the joke, 10 pence 20 pence 50 pence a pound.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on July 12, 2015, 07:01:32 PM

                Gueye    Westwood   Delph

           Grealish                              Gil
                              Austin

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Legion on July 12, 2015, 07:02:21 PM

6-a-side? Westwood as rush-back GK? It'll never catch on.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2015, 07:05:15 PM

Quote from: olaftab on July 12, 2015, 07:01:32 PM

                Gueye    Westwood   Delph

           Grealish                              Gil
                              Austin

Gil on the right, Grealish or Sinclair on the left.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 12, 2015, 07:09:51 PM

That's what we should be playing in home games imo. Away from home more pace so Gabby, Sinclair and Bacuna will get starts that way.

It would help a lot if we had a midfielder capable of 5-10 goals so I still want another central midfielder signed who can actually get in the box.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 12, 2015, 07:35:44 PM

Gary Gardner has a shot on him lets say he chips in with goals . Who can forget that hat trick against Ajax ! Sherwood will be on about it to him with Wilkins

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 12, 2015, 07:42:22 PM

Quote from: olaftab on July 12, 2015, 07:01:32 PM

                Gueye    Westwood   Delph

           Grealish                              Gil
                              Austin

I'm not sure how well Austin can play up front on his own. That's my main concern w getting him

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 12, 2015, 07:58:52 PM

there's  tenuous link to us looking at Jordan Ayew who could player as a second striker to someone like Austin

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on July 12, 2015, 08:57:15 PM

If there is money to spend, I'd use some of to get Sebastian Giovinco

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: N'Zimidy on July 12, 2015, 09:20:49 PM

He's on about $130,000 a week in the US I'm afraid.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2015, 10:05:13 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on July 12, 2015, 08:57:15 PM

If there is money to spend, I'd use some of to get Sebastian Giovinco

He's on mental money Mr Sox. Very few sides in Europe will offer him what he's on with Toronto. He's a super player and head and shoulders above MLS.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on July 12, 2015, 10:28:51 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2015, 10:05:13 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on July 12, 2015, 08:57:15 PM

If there is money to spend, I'd use some of to get Sebastian Giovinco

He's on mental money Mr Sox. Very few sides in Europe will offer him what he's on with Toronto. He's a super player and head and shoulders above MLS.

I saw him play live last month. He was the best player on the pitch by miles, even better than the Pele/Messi/Maradonna-like Jozy Altidore

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 12, 2015, 10:40:24 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2015, 10:05:13 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on July 12, 2015, 08:57:15 PM

If there is money to spend, I'd use some of to get Sebastian Giovinco

He's on mental money Mr Sox. Very few sides in Europe will offer him what he's on with Toronto. He's a super player and head and shoulders above MLS.

$8.5m per season.

I'm sure there's money to spend, but probably not that many truckloads.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 12, 2015, 10:43:29 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on July 12, 2015, 07:35:44 PM

Gary Gardner has a shot on him lets say he chips in with goals . Who can forget that hat trick against Ajax ! Sherwood will be on about it to him with Wilkins

He's not going to make it at this level, sadly.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 12, 2015, 11:24:28 PM

Quote from: Newby on July 12, 2015, 10:43:29 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on July 12, 2015, 07:35:44 PM

Gary Gardner has a shot on him lets say he chips in with goals . Who can forget that hat trick against Ajax ! Sherwood will be on about it to him with Wilkins

He's not going to make it at this level, sadly.

Started all of, what, half a dozen matches for us, with two horrendous injuries between then and now. That strikes me as a really harsh way to judge him, especially given the standard of some of the dross we've put up with in recent years.

He at least deserves a chance.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 12, 2015, 11:26:10 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 12, 2015, 11:24:28 PM

Quote from: Newby on July 12, 2015, 10:43:29 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on July 12, 2015, 07:35:44 PM

Gary Gardner has a shot on him lets say he chips in with goals . Who can forget that hat trick against Ajax ! Sherwood will be on about it to him with Wilkins

He's not going to make it at this level, sadly.

Started all of, what, half a dozen matches for us, with two horrendous injuries between then and now. That strikes me as a really harsh way to judge him, especially given the standard of some of the dross we've put up with in recent years.

He at least deserves a chance.

Particularly as he did a pretty impressive job in the upper reaches of the Championship the only time he's ever had a consistent run of games.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Gareth on July 12, 2015, 11:26:18 PM

Quote from: Newby on July 12, 2015, 10:43:29 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on July 12, 2015, 07:35:44 PM

Gary Gardner has a shot on him lets say he chips in with goals . Who can forget that hat trick against Ajax ! Sherwood will be on about it to him with Wilkins

He's not going to make it at this level, sadly.

That's a sweeping statement about a player who was very good at the level below last season, his first time as a senior player being fit.

Whilst I think this is his last season with us if he doesn't break through I am hoping he does impose himself and 'make it'

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 12, 2015, 11:29:17 PM

Forest fans think he is brilliant from his performances there last season. If we were "buying" him from Forest right now everyone on here would be saying good potential, their best player second half of the season etc. As he is ours it is too late to make it not good enough. He needs time and a bit of patience.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on July 13, 2015, 03:25:52 AM

Quote from: Dave on July 12, 2015, 10:40:24 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2015, 10:05:13 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on July 12, 2015, 08:57:15 PM

If there is money to spend, I'd use some of to get Sebastian Giovinco

He's on mental money Mr Sox. Very few sides in Europe will offer him what he's on with Toronto. He's a super player and head and shoulders above MLS.

$8.5m per season.

I'm sure there's money to spend, but probably not that many truckloads.

I was at Yankee Stadium earlier to see NYC FC vs. Toronto. Giovinco certainly took his hat-trick well - the third was a quality finish lifted over the keeper - but my MOTM was the centre mid for Toronto, Collen Warner.

He broke things up, made some decisive passes including one for the second goal and was typically in the right place. Cheyrou the Toronto skipper also played well. Toronto deserved to win.

All relative as it is hard to compare the standard versus the PL but a cracking game that finished 4-4.  We sat in the noisy section which was interesting/fun - tho NYC FC fans waving yellow cards after a couple of fouls was a bit sad.

Boiling hot, bright sunshine and a range of (expensive) decent beer to buy without a queue and enjoy in the ground during the game was a really good too. Yankee Stadium is not too shabby either - not quite Villa Park tho  ;)

A really good day that I would recommend to anyone visiting NYC.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 13, 2015, 08:07:38 AM

I have to admit, I'm still not happy with our options at centre-back. They're all decent players but - to a man - are injury-prone and I also think that we desperately lack an organiser back there. I'm sure I'll take some flack for this but, if fit, I'd probably opt for Senderos + one other to start for us at the moment, with Richards as a right-back.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 13, 2015, 08:10:37 AM

Richards isn't going to play right-back. He's said so himself.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 13, 2015, 08:28:43 AM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 13, 2015, 08:10:37 AM

Richards isn't going to play right-back. He's said so himself.

I'm not sure that it'll be his choice! TS has his versatility was one of the reasons he's signed him, citing that he can play at CB, RB or on the right hand-side of a back 3.

Richards is decent in the air for his size, but there'll be games when we''ll need more height back there. That was obvious to me from the 45 minutes against Fulham the other day.He looked comfortable when carrying the ball out form the back, but won nowhere near as many headers as you need a Centre-Back to do.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 13, 2015, 08:41:09 AM

I reckon Sherwood might prefer Bacuna at right back in the long term.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on July 13, 2015, 08:42:26 AM

Quote from: Russ aka Big Nose on July 13, 2015, 03:25:52 AM

Yankee Stadium is not too shabby either - not quite Villa Park tho  ;)

A really good day that I would recommend to anyone visiting NYC.

As much as I try to hate the place, the new Yankee Stadium is a nice ballpark. However, I've managed to never spend a cent in there. I always eat before/after and carry in water to drink.

Pretty good bars across the street, under the rail tracks

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 13, 2015, 08:50:33 AM

Quote from: Clampy on July 13, 2015, 08:41:09 AM

I reckon Sherwood might prefer Bacuna at right back in the long term.

I think he needs a lot of work there still. Defensively he's very poor. There was one attack against Fulham where their left-winger was in absolutely acres of space and Bacuna took an absolute age to get out to close him down. I know that these games are all about getting minutes under the belt, but you still expect them to go through the basic motions of defending. The fact that TS went for Hutton in the cup-final also suggests that he's not 100% sold on Bacuna too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 13, 2015, 08:54:54 AM

Quote from: RussellC on July 13, 2015, 08:50:33 AM

Quote from: Clampy on July 13, 2015, 08:41:09 AM

I reckon Sherwood might prefer Bacuna at right back in the long term.

I think he needs a lot of work there still. Defensively he's very poor. There was one attack against Fulham where their left-winger was in absolutely acres of space and Bacuna took an absolute age to get out to close him down. I know that these games are all about getting minutes under the belt, but you still expect them to go through the basic motions of defending. The fact that TS went for Hutton in the cup-final also suggests that he's not 100% sold on Bacuna too.

Defensively, you've probably got a point but he offers more going forward than Hutton does. He did set up a few goals for Benteke last season which I don't think would have gone un-noticed. Hutton would be the safe option I suppose but given time I think Bacuna could turn into a decent right back.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 13, 2015, 09:09:10 AM

Hopefully, as like you say, offensively he's a key part of the team. He's definitely capable there too. He has all the tools - pace, strength, etc and everything that he lacks - positioning, concentration, etc - are things that should be able to be coached into him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 13, 2015, 10:12:25 AM

I recall Richards being awful at CB so I am worried by this. 

Not sure how old he is but it seems a bit late to move position.  I know he thinks he is a CB but he must've played 90% of his competitive matches as a full-back.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: exigo on July 13, 2015, 10:26:38 AM

Quote from: UK Redsox on July 13, 2015, 08:42:26 AM

Quote from: Russ aka Big Nose on July 13, 2015, 03:25:52 AM

Yankee Stadium is not too shabby either - not quite Villa Park tho  ;)

A really good day that I would recommend to anyone visiting NYC.

As much as I try to hate the place, the new Yankee Stadium is a nice ballpark. However, I've managed to never spend a cent in there. I always eat before/after and carry in water to drink.

Pretty good bars across the street, under the rail tracks

Took the missus to a game while we were in New York. £200 per ticket, and the Yankees hit the ball four times all night.
It made 0-0 home draws under McCleish look like amazing value for money.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Jimsta on July 13, 2015, 10:29:49 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 13, 2015, 10:12:25 AM

I recall Richards being awful at CB so I am worried by this. 

Not sure how old he is but it seems a bit late to move position.  I know he thinks he is a CB but he must've played 90% of his competitive matches as a full-back.

I remember on MOTD  the panel was saying about Richards playing centre half that his positioning and concertration was terrible  and it was his pace that got him out of trouble.  Maybe Richards has learned through experience but with playing right back nearly all his career I think not.
So I think and prefer he played right back as he is better suited there.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 13, 2015, 10:43:48 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 13, 2015, 10:12:25 AM

I recall Richards being awful at CB so I am worried by this. 

Not sure how old he is but it seems a bit late to move position.  I know he thinks he is a CB but he must've played 90% of his competitive matches as a full-back.

He falls a bit short at centre half through his lack of height. He is 5'11 which is not big enough to cope with the modern breed of huge centre forwards. Yes he is fast on the ground and has a powerful jump but so does Jores Okore. He has said he doesn't want to play right back but as far as I am concerned he will play where Tim Sherwood selects him and hopefully play well. Apart from that he has less chance of getting injured at right back and with his fitness problems in the past that will be a blessing. When Ron Vlaar regains full fitness I wouldn't be surprised if Sherwood offers him a three month contract or pay as you play unless he thinks Nathan Baker has improved enough to warrant a regular start.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on July 13, 2015, 11:14:34 AM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 13, 2015, 10:43:48 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 13, 2015, 10:12:25 AM

I recall Richards being awful at CB so I am worried by this. 

Not sure how old he is but it seems a bit late to move position.  I know he thinks he is a CB but he must've played 90% of his competitive matches as a full-back.

He falls a bit short at centre half through his lack of height. He is 5'11 which is not big enough to cope with the modern breed of huge centre forwards. Yes he is fast on the ground and has a powerful jump but so does Jores Okore. He has said he doesn't want to play right back but as far as I am concerned he will play where Tim Sherwood selects him and hopefully play well. Apart from that he has less chance of getting injured at right back and with his fitness problems in the past that will be a blessing. When Ron Vlaar regains full fitness I wouldn't be surprised if Sherwood offers him a three month contract or pay as you play unless he thinks Nathan Baker has improved enough to warrant a regular start.

Fabio Cannavaro was about 5ft 9, didnt do him any harm.

I'm hoping its a choice of Okore or Richards to play right side of a three man defence. Neither are good enough to be first choice to partner Clark if we go with two centre halves.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 13, 2015, 11:54:53 AM

If we end up paying 3 then Richards will be fine. In a flat back 4 I think he will be right back before he can blink

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 13, 2015, 11:56:21 AM

Quote from: brontebilly on July 13, 2015, 11:14:34 AM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 13, 2015, 10:43:48 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 13, 2015, 10:12:25 AM

I recall Richards being awful at CB so I am worried by this. 

Not sure how old he is but it seems a bit late to move position.  I know he thinks he is a CB but he must've played 90% of his competitive matches as a full-back.

He falls a bit short at centre half through his lack of height. He is 5'11 which is not big enough to cope with the modern breed of huge centre forwards. Yes he is fast on the ground and has a powerful jump but so does Jores Okore. He has said he doesn't want to play right back but as far as I am concerned he will play where Tim Sherwood selects him and hopefully play well. Apart from that he has less chance of getting injured at right back and with his fitness problems in the past that will be a blessing. When Ron Vlaar regains full fitness I wouldn't be surprised if Sherwood offers him a three month contract or pay as you play unless he thinks Nathan Baker has improved enough to warrant a regular start.

Fabio Cannavaro was about 5ft 9, didnt do him any harm.

I'm hoping its a choice of Okore or Richards to play right side of a three man defence. Neither are good enough to be first choice to partner Clark if we go with two centre halves.

To be fair, Cannavaro spent his career in Italy and Spain and often struggled when up against a  big, physical striker. I remember Carew giving him a torrid time at the Bernabeau whilst he was at Lyon.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 13, 2015, 12:35:55 PM

Some reports in Spain are linking us to Sergi Darder from Malaga, a player I think we were linked to under Lambert...?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: rob_bridge on July 13, 2015, 01:26:00 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on July 13, 2015, 08:42:26 AM

Quote from: Russ aka Big Nose on July 13, 2015, 03:25:52 AM

Yankee Stadium is not too shabby either - not quite Villa Park tho  ;)

A really good day that I would recommend to anyone visiting NYC.

As much as I try to hate the place, the new Yankee Stadium is a nice ballpark. However, I've managed to never spend a cent in there. I always eat before/after and carry in water to drink.

Pretty good bars across the street, under the rail tracks

Isn't that the equiavlent of I dunno Liverpool fans admitting OT is a great ground?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: exigo on July 13, 2015, 01:34:42 PM

Quote from: RussellC on July 13, 2015, 12:35:55 PM

Some reports in Spain are linking us to Sergi Darder from Malaga, a player I think we were linked to under Lambert...?

He'd slot right into Andi Weimann's old chant.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 13, 2015, 01:37:48 PM

Quote from: exigo on July 13, 2015, 01:34:42 PM

Quote from: RussellC on July 13, 2015, 12:35:55 PM

Some reports in Spain are linking us to Sergi Darder from Malaga, a player I think we were linked to under Lambert...?

He'd slot right into Andi Weimann's old chant.

Or we could sing that naff 80's song 'da da da'.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 13, 2015, 01:52:54 PM

Quote from: rob_bridge on July 13, 2015, 01:26:00 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on July 13, 2015, 08:42:26 AM

Quote from: Russ aka Big Nose on July 13, 2015, 03:25:52 AM

Yankee Stadium is not too shabby either - not quite Villa Park tho  ;)

A really good day that I would recommend to anyone visiting NYC.

As much as I try to hate the place, the new Yankee Stadium is a nice ballpark. However, I've managed to never spend a cent in there. I always eat before/after and carry in water to drink.

Pretty good bars across the street, under the rail tracks

Isn't that the equiavlent of I dunno Liverpool fans admitting OT is a great ground?

It is a lot better than Anfield to be fair.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on July 13, 2015, 02:32:56 PM

Quote from: exigo on July 13, 2015, 10:26:38 AM

Quote from: UK Redsox on July 13, 2015, 08:42:26 AM

Quote from: Russ aka Big Nose on July 13, 2015, 03:25:52 AM

Yankee Stadium is not too shabby either - not quite Villa Park tho  ;)

A really good day that I would recommend to anyone visiting NYC.

As much as I try to hate the place, the new Yankee Stadium is a nice ballpark. However, I've managed to never spend a cent in there. I always eat before/after and carry in water to drink.

Pretty good bars across the street, under the rail tracks

Took the missus to a game while we were in New York. £200 per ticket, and the Yankees hit the ball four times all night.
It made 0-0 home draws under McCleish look like amazing value for money.

A different ballgame, literally. Great MLS game, 4-4, though some dodgy penalties awarded and a couple missed. Tickets were $18 each though we paid a bit more as we made the decision to go on the morning of the game.

As I said, a really good day. Lots of fans wearing shirts of all sorts of clubs - perhaps inevitable.

I spotted one bloke in a Villa t-shirt. Way too many Chelsea shirts all over NYC and there was a big group of Athletico fans stood near us. UTV

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on July 13, 2015, 02:34:57 PM

Quote from: rob_bridge on July 13, 2015, 01:26:00 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on July 13, 2015, 08:42:26 AM

Quote from: Russ aka Big Nose on July 13, 2015, 03:25:52 AM

Yankee Stadium is not too shabby either - not quite Villa Park tho  ;)

A really good day that I would recommend to anyone visiting NYC.

As much as I try to hate the place, the new Yankee Stadium is a nice ballpark. However, I've managed to never spend a cent in there. I always eat before/after and carry in water to drink.

Pretty good bars across the street, under the rail tracks

Isn't that the equiavlent of I dunno Liverpool fans admitting OT is a great ground?

Yes, it is. However, its still the Death Star

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 13, 2015, 03:12:31 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on July 13, 2015, 02:34:57 PM

Quote from: rob_bridge on July 13, 2015, 01:26:00 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on July 13, 2015, 08:42:26 AM

Quote from: Russ aka Big Nose on July 13, 2015, 03:25:52 AM

Yankee Stadium is not too shabby either - not quite Villa Park tho  ;)

A really good day that I would recommend to anyone visiting NYC.

As much as I try to hate the place, the new Yankee Stadium is a nice ballpark. However, I've managed to never spend a cent in there. I always eat before/after and carry in water to drink.

Pretty good bars across the street, under the rail tracks

Isn't that the equiavlent of I dunno Liverpool fans admitting OT is a great ground?

Yes, it is. However, its still the Death Star

It's a bric-a-brack monstrosity, a cathedral to the maximisation of profit.

In other words, it's a shit hole.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: rob_bridge on July 13, 2015, 04:17:37 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on July 13, 2015, 02:34:57 PM

Quote from: rob_bridge on July 13, 2015, 01:26:00 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on July 13, 2015, 08:42:26 AM

Quote from: Russ aka Big Nose on July 13, 2015, 03:25:52 AM

Yankee Stadium is not too shabby either - not quite Villa Park tho  ;)

A really good day that I would recommend to anyone visiting NYC.

As much as I try to hate the place, the new Yankee Stadium is a nice ballpark. However, I've managed to never spend a cent in there. I always eat before/after and carry in water to drink.

Pretty good bars across the street, under the rail tracks

Isn't that the equiavlent of I dunno Liverpool fans admitting OT is a great ground?

Yes, it is. However, its still the Death Star

I saw Fenway Park from the outside earlier this year. No time for the tour.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: MoetVillan on July 13, 2015, 04:21:19 PM

But like the Death Star, quite a successful shithole*.

*Bad management prevented further success 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 13, 2015, 04:23:12 PM

Not sure if this is the right place, or if it warrants it's own thread...?

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-set-abandon-goalkeeper-9645701

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 13, 2015, 05:39:49 PM

Quote from: RussellC on July 13, 2015, 04:23:12 PM

Not sure if this is the right place, or if it warrants it's own thread...?

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-set-abandon-goalkeeper-9645701
[/quote
Brad is all right.Mr Sherwood can concentrate on getting us a top rate left back]

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ger Regan on July 13, 2015, 07:11:49 PM

What a nonsense article. Brad will be our first choice, unless we buy another keeper.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on July 13, 2015, 08:03:17 PM

Quote from: Ger Regan on July 13, 2015, 07:11:49 PM

What a nonsense article. Brad will be our first choice, unless we buy another keeper.

Yeah, and Benteke will be our first choice forward unless we sell him

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: wozwebs on July 13, 2015, 09:41:05 PM

Sport Italia translated:

Aston Villa is one step away from closing with the purchase of the Malaga midfielder Sergi Darder . The player , followed by Inter and Roma , has already reached an agreement with the Villans , and will go to Birmingham for a figure of around 10 million euro .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Louzie0 on July 13, 2015, 09:43:52 PM

Hurray!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 13, 2015, 09:45:15 PM

Interesting if it is true. We have bemoaned our midfield for so long, so if we do spend big again on this lad to got with Delph and Guerre then at least we appear to be trying to improve it. I do wonder if Sanchez might go the other way in any deal though.

Still like us to get that Chery lad. Looks unpredictable.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Lsvilla on July 13, 2015, 09:45:34 PM

His birthday is the same day as mine - that must seal the deal then.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 13, 2015, 09:51:48 PM

I'll believe it when I see it. Spanish/Italian football press makes our media seem like bastions of truth and integrity.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on July 13, 2015, 09:57:50 PM

Quote from: wozwebs on July 13, 2015, 09:41:05 PM

Sport Italia translated:

Aston Villa is one step away from closing with the purchase of the Malaga midfielder Sergi Darder . The player , followed by Inter and Roma , has already reached an agreement with the Villans , and will go to Birmingham for a figure of around 10 million euro .

This guy has already played and scored at Villa Park.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: wozwebs on July 13, 2015, 10:04:16 PM

He's got a shot on him that's for sure

http://youtu.be/Jp6pXZMhZoA

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 13, 2015, 10:07:42 PM

Quote from: wozwebs on July 13, 2015, 10:04:16 PM

He's got a shot on him that's for sure

http://youtu.be/Jp6pXZMhZoA

If i had to compare his foot to a piece of engineering, I'd opt for the traction engine.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on July 13, 2015, 10:11:09 PM

Now that, is exactly what we've been missing from our midfield since the days of Bruce Rioch.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 13, 2015, 10:13:27 PM

Quote from: dave shelley on July 13, 2015, 10:11:09 PM

Now that, is exactly what we've been missing from our midfield since the days of Bruce Rioch.

Der Hammer?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on July 13, 2015, 10:14:28 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 13, 2015, 10:13:27 PM

Quote from: dave shelley on July 13, 2015, 10:11:09 PM

Now that, is exactly what we've been missing from our midfield since the days of Bruce Rioch.

Der Hammer?

Tonev?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 13, 2015, 10:15:13 PM

Is he any good? Defensive or another Delph type, energetic player?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on July 13, 2015, 10:15:44 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 13, 2015, 10:13:27 PM

Quote from: dave shelley on July 13, 2015, 10:11:09 PM

Now that, is exactly what we've been missing from our midfield since the days of Bruce Rioch.

Der Hammer?

Didn't do it often enough.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 13, 2015, 10:19:28 PM

Quote from: dave shelley on July 13, 2015, 10:15:44 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 13, 2015, 10:13:27 PM

Quote from: dave shelley on July 13, 2015, 10:11:09 PM

Now that, is exactly what we've been missing from our midfield since the days of Bruce Rioch.

Der Hammer?

Didn't do it often enough.

I wouldn't argue with that.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 13, 2015, 10:33:06 PM

Although Delph has to run him close with his monsters vs the Bitters and that goal at St Mary's.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 13, 2015, 10:45:52 PM

The goal v Chelsea was a bit special too!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 13, 2015, 10:46:34 PM

And the one v 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' in the semi-final.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: nodge on July 13, 2015, 10:55:52 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 13, 2015, 10:13:27 PM

Quote from: dave shelley on July 13, 2015, 10:11:09 PM

Now that, is exactly what we've been missing from our midfield since the days of Bruce Rioch.

Der Hammer?

DarDer Hammer?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SirSteveUK on July 14, 2015, 02:19:33 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 13, 2015, 09:45:15 PM

Interesting if it is true. We have bemoaned our midfield for so long, so if we do spend big again on this lad to got with Delph and Guerre then at least we appear to be trying to improve it. I do wonder if Sanchez might go the other way in any deal though.

Still like us to get that Chery lad. Looks unpredictable.

Chery lad - wasn't she a Charlies Angel ??

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on July 14, 2015, 04:11:36 AM

Quote from: LeeB on July 13, 2015, 10:13:27 PM

Quote from: dave shelley on July 13, 2015, 10:11:09 PM

Now that, is exactly what we've been missing from our midfield since the days of Bruce Rioch.

Der Hammer?

Thomas was ok but no match for Bruce. In Bruce's best days a free kick anywhere close to 18 yard box was as good as a penalty to us.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 14, 2015, 07:17:02 AM

Bruce Rioch was better than James Milner in central midfield.Absolute class with a hammer of shot that was always accurate. A post war Villa great!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ROBBO on July 14, 2015, 07:39:50 AM

Seldom mentioned but in my opinion one of the best players seen in a Villa shirt in the last sixty years.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on July 14, 2015, 07:52:14 AM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 14, 2015, 07:17:02 AM

Bruce Rioch was better than James Milner in central midfield.Absolute class with a hammer of shot that was always accurate. A post war Villa great!

Careful, them's fighting words around here  :)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ryu on July 14, 2015, 07:55:12 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 13, 2015, 10:07:42 PM

Quote from: wozwebs on July 13, 2015, 10:04:16 PM

He's got a shot on him that's for sure

http://youtu.be/Jp6pXZMhZoA

If i had to compare his foot to a piece of engineering, I'd opt for the traction engine.

Shit!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 14, 2015, 09:29:16 AM

GARBUTT TO BE LOANED

Roberto Martinez intends to send Everton left-back Luke Garbutt out on loan this season for first-team experience.

The 22-year-old signed a new five-year contract at Goodison Park in July, but is still behind Leighton Baines in the full-back pecking order.

Martinez said: "What is important for Luke is for him to play. He has to experiment in the game and learn from the game, and if it is in the Premier League it has to be in an environment where he can play."

Not convinced he's ready from what I've see and would much prefer Amavi permanently. But we were linked

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on July 14, 2015, 09:36:50 AM

Aston Villa chase Barnsley wonderkid Mason Holgate and will table £1m offer   
Barnsley right-back Mason Holgate is being targeted by Aston Villa
Villa are preparing a £1million bid for the talented youngster
At just 18 years old, Holgate was a regular for Barnsley last season


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3159869/Aston-Villa-chase-Barnsley-wonderkid-Mason-Holgate-table-1m-offer.html#ixzz3fqvxo31F
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Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 14, 2015, 10:16:40 AM

Wonderkid,talented.and we are offering 1Mil.Perhaps we should consider offering a bit more if he is that good and close the deal quickly.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 14, 2015, 10:57:59 AM

There is absolutely no way on earth that we should be considering loaning players from Everton to give them game time.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: simon ward 50 on July 14, 2015, 11:35:21 AM

Quote from: RussellC on July 14, 2015, 10:57:59 AM

There is absolutely no way on earth that we should be considering loaning players from Everton to give them game time.

Here here!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 14, 2015, 11:36:59 AM

Agreed. Top 4 sides fair enough but not developing a player for a club of the same level.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 14, 2015, 11:53:45 AM

Alan Nixon on Twitter is suggesting that Swansea have agreed a fee for Mason Holgate at Barnsely (£500k + add-ons, making it £1m overall) but that the player and agent fees were too high. He's saying that now Villa know the fees he's expecting us to make a move.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 14, 2015, 11:55:50 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 14, 2015, 09:29:16 AM

GARBUTT TO BE LOANED

Roberto Martinez intends to send Everton left-back Luke Garbutt out on loan this season for first-team experience.

The 22-year-old signed a new five-year contract at Goodison Park in July, but is still behind Leighton Baines in the full-back pecking order.

Martinez said: "What is important for Luke is for him to play. He has to experiment in the game and learn from the game, and if it is in the Premier League it has to be in an environment where he can play."

Not convinced he's ready from what I've see and would much prefer Amavi permanently. But we were linked

No more loan players! We'll certainly not from Premier League clubs anyway. Let Everton do their own dirty work and give him experience in the PL.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on July 14, 2015, 12:01:11 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 14, 2015, 11:36:59 AM

Agreed. Top 4 sides fair enough but not developing a player for a club of the same level.

I'd even question that, TBH

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 14, 2015, 02:16:14 PM

Not transfer news but just as exciting for some - north stand is being jet washed.
I imagine there will be a few acts of self-flagellation tonight.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 14, 2015, 02:20:58 PM

Quote from: TheMalandro on July 14, 2015, 02:16:14 PM

Not transfer news but just as exciting for some - north stand is being jet washed.
I imagine there will be a few acts of self-flagellation tonight.

Jet washes are great for washing away moss, stains or grime, but here's hoping they're good at shifting years of accumulated despair too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 14, 2015, 02:42:14 PM

I've read reports that Sherwood wants to build the development squad as well as the first team and that Holgate would be for the future. If we did sign him, it would be interesting to see if we loan him back out somewhere.

I do like the idea of having a 2-track approach where we're buying both for now and in the future.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on July 14, 2015, 02:53:10 PM

Quote from: TheMalandro on July 14, 2015, 02:16:14 PM

Not transfer news but just as exciting for some - north stand is being jet washed.
I imagine there will be a few acts of self-flagellation tonight.

That's the best bit of news I have heard in ages. I think it's expected from the kit launch Big Club mantra that we should do something of this magnitude. I look forward to taking my seat in the sparkling  stand come August.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 14, 2015, 02:55:38 PM

Quote from: olaftab on July 14, 2015, 02:53:10 PM

Quote from: TheMalandro on July 14, 2015, 02:16:14 PM

Not transfer news but just as exciting for some - north stand is being jet washed.
I imagine there will be a few acts of self-flagellation tonight.

That's the best bit of news I have heard in ages. I think it's expected from the kit launch Big Club mantra that we should do something of this magnitude. I look forward to taking my seat in the sparkling  stand come August.

I think they have replaced the lower blue seats as well ,  arghhhhhhhhhh mmmmmmmm

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frank on July 14, 2015, 03:08:05 PM

Coming back to Robbo's comment about Bruce Rioch,

Quote from: ROBBO on July 14, 2015, 07:39:50 AM

Seldom mentioned but in my opinion one of the best players seen in a Villa shirt in the last sixty years.

Agreed. Richard Whitehead has him at number 48 in his list of Villa greats and writes:

Quote

It was an accident of timing that meant that Bruce Rrioch never played in the top flight for Villa but if he had he would almost certainly have featured much higher in this list. Rioch was a masterful midfield player, strong (sometimes reckless) in the tackle, energetic in his running, commanding in his leadership. He could also hit long, raking passes of great vision and ambition, although it is for the sheer ferocity of his long-range shooting that he is now principally remembered. The sight of Rioch with the ball anywhere within 30 yards of the opposing goal send a frisson of excitement around Villa Park.

He was sold when Villa were still in the old Second Division to give Vic Crowe the cash to buy more players, which prompted Peter Morris to write:

Quote

Leeds got out [of the 2nd Division] and so did Derby and what they did, Villa can do and when they reach this rung of the ladder - as they will again one day - they will never need to sell another player to raise money.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 14, 2015, 03:42:22 PM

When my Dad came down from Scotland he toyed with Second Division Villa and First Division Small Heath before making the correct decision. Bruce Rioch was his favourite, Scottish, and, I reckon, what swung my Dad to choose Villa.

So if it hadn't been for him... I might have been posting on Small Heath Alliance instead.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 14, 2015, 03:47:17 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 14, 2015, 03:42:22 PM

When my Dad came down from Scotland he toyed with Second Division Villa and First Division Small Heath before making the correct decision. Bruce Rioch was his favourite, Scottish, and, I reckon, what swung my Dad to choose Villa.

So if it hadn't been for him... I might have been posting on Small Heath Alliance instead.

So either way we'd have been posting about Villa....

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dr Butler on July 14, 2015, 03:59:21 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 14, 2015, 03:47:17 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 14, 2015, 03:42:22 PM

When my Dad came down from Scotland he toyed with Second Division Villa and First Division Small Heath before making the correct decision. Bruce Rioch was his favourite, Scottish, and, I reckon, what swung my Dad to choose Villa.

So if it hadn't been for him... I might have been posting on Small Heath Alliance instead.

So either way we'd have been posting about Villa....

very good :)

just a small snippet about Bruce Rioch is that he went to my school here in Cambridge although a few years before me though....

UTV
The Doc

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 14, 2015, 04:20:27 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 14, 2015, 03:42:22 PM

When my Dad came down from Scotland he toyed with Second Division Villa and First Division Small Heath before making the correct decision. Bruce Rioch was his favourite, Scottish, and, I reckon, what swung my Dad to choose Villa.

So if it hadn't been for him... I might have been posting on Small Heath Alliance instead.

Born in Aldershot though. Could have played for England.

and should have!!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on July 14, 2015, 05:26:29 PM

This ones been on the back burner for quite a while,but now perhaps, its got some legs....Godzvilla!

Aston Villa home in on Jordan Amavi as Nice accept £9million offer for left-back
Aston Villa are close to agreeing terms with £9m defender Jordan Amavi
The Nice left-back was previously a target for Arsenal
Amavi is a member of the France Under 21 squad and is expected to step up into the senior team for Euro 2016 next summer
Aston Villa are getting closer to the £9million signing of French left-back Jordan Amavi.
Tim Sherwood has had a bid accepted by Nice for the 21-year-old and it is understood personal terms will not present an issue.
Amavi, a target for Arsenal previously, is believed to have needed convincing by Villa but the club are growing confident a transfer can be completed.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3161019/Aston-Villa-home-Jordan-Amavi-Nice-accept-9million-offer-left-back.html#ixzz3fsmVCR00
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Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 14, 2015, 07:29:07 PM

Sherwood said yesterday he expects there to be a few more coming in. The takeover did not die yesterday, so I would imagine he has 2-3 more targets. They may well be Chery who seems fairly cheap in comparison to others and maybe the centre half at Besiktas and Holgate from Barnsley. That would be about our normal 20m spend for a new manager. Not sure what the books say, but I would happen a guess that with FFP there is enough wiggle room for 1 more decent signing after that if Benteke stays. And of course loans.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on July 14, 2015, 07:57:27 PM

Any news on other strikers moving to Villa Park apart from 18 years old Swiss wonderkid and Charlie Austin and Abeyador.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 14, 2015, 08:22:17 PM

yes Jordan Ayew

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 14, 2015, 08:32:42 PM

I'd be grumbling under my breath if we spent the reported £15m on Austin.

I don't rate him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 14, 2015, 08:37:28 PM

It's not that I don't rate Austin but I do think with good scouting we could get a lot better value for £15m by knowing the foreign markets.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: andyh on July 14, 2015, 08:39:56 PM

Do we know anything about that Swiss kid that we were linked with.
Is he worth a risk? Would we risk it for a Swiss kid?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 14, 2015, 08:41:36 PM

Quote from: andyh on July 14, 2015, 08:39:56 PM

Do we know anything about that Swiss kid that we were linked with.
Is he worth a risk? Would we risk it for a Swiss kid?

You do realise that worryingly old people won't have a clue what you mean?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: andyh on July 14, 2015, 08:45:46 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 14, 2015, 08:41:36 PM

Quote from: andyh on July 14, 2015, 08:39:56 PM

Do we know anything about that Swiss kid that we were linked with.
Is he worth a risk? Would we risk it for a Swiss kid?

You do realise that worryingly old people won't have a clue what you mean?

And no one under 40 I would guess.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 14, 2015, 08:46:02 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 14, 2015, 08:41:36 PM

Quote from: andyh on July 14, 2015, 08:39:56 PM

Do we know anything about that Swiss kid that we were linked with.
Is he worth a risk? Would we risk it for a Swiss kid?

You do realise that worryingly old people won't have a clue what you mean?

I remember the ad but I don't think I ever ate one.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 14, 2015, 08:49:14 PM

Quote from: andyh on July 14, 2015, 08:45:46 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 14, 2015, 08:41:36 PM

Quote from: andyh on July 14, 2015, 08:39:56 PM

Do we know anything about that Swiss kid that we were linked with.
Is he worth a risk? Would we risk it for a Swiss kid?

You do realise that worryingly old people won't have a clue what you mean?

And no one under 40 I would guess.

That's what I mean. My jaws are aching just at the thought of those horrible, chewy monstrosities.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 14, 2015, 08:51:42 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 14, 2015, 08:49:14 PM

Quote from: andyh on July 14, 2015, 08:45:46 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 14, 2015, 08:41:36 PM

Quote from: andyh on July 14, 2015, 08:39:56 PM

Do we know anything about that Swiss kid that we were linked with.
Is he worth a risk? Would we risk it for a Swiss kid?

You do realise that worryingly old people won't have a clue what you mean?

And no one under 40 I would guess.

That's what I mean. My jaws are aching just at the thought of those horrible, chewy monstrosities.

Getting back on topic, I don't think we'll need another striker.

They won't takeaway our Benteke.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Risso on July 14, 2015, 08:57:35 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 14, 2015, 08:49:14 PM

Quote from: andyh on July 14, 2015, 08:45:46 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 14, 2015, 08:41:36 PM

Quote from: andyh on July 14, 2015, 08:39:56 PM

Do we know anything about that Swiss kid that we were linked with.
Is he worth a risk? Would we risk it for a Swiss kid?

You do realise that worryingly old people won't have a clue what you mean?

And no one under 40 I would guess.

That's what I mean. My jaws are aching just at the thought of those horrible, chewy monstrosities.

Chewier than Digbeth coach station.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 14, 2015, 08:59:25 PM

Quote from: OCD on July 14, 2015, 08:37:28 PM

It's not that I don't rate Austin but I do think with good scouting we could get a lot better value for £15m by knowing the foreign markets.

Austin's good, very good, at what he does. A "new-age" Darren Bent. He'd be shit-hot alongside Benteke. As a like
like-for-replacement, they're not the same player. But like you say, for £15m abroad, we could get a player as good or better, and save a small fortune on wages.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 14, 2015, 09:21:11 PM

Quote from: simon ward 50 on July 14, 2015, 11:35:21 AM

Quote from: RussellC on July 14, 2015, 10:57:59 AM

There is absolutely no way on earth that we should be considering loaning players from Everton to give them game time.

Here here!

No way we should be quoting posts that use phrases like 'game time'.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on July 14, 2015, 09:22:33 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 14, 2015, 03:42:22 PM

When my Dad came down from Scotland he toyed with Second Division Villa and First Division Small Heath before making the correct decision. Bruce Rioch was his favourite, Scottish, and, I reckon, what swung my Dad to choose Villa.

So if it hadn't been for him... I might have been posting on Small Heath Alliance instead.

I shudder to think .....

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 14, 2015, 09:22:43 PM

Quote from: andyh on July 14, 2015, 08:39:56 PM

Do we know anything about that Swiss kid that we were linked with.
Is he worth a risk? Would we risk it for a Swiss kid?

Sheesh. These Swiss kids will be the death of me.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Risso on July 14, 2015, 10:24:36 PM

Quote from: peter w on July 14, 2015, 09:21:11 PM

Quote from: simon ward 50 on July 14, 2015, 11:35:21 AM

Quote from: RussellC on July 14, 2015, 10:57:59 AM

There is absolutely no way on earth that we should be considering loaning players from Everton to give them game time.

Here here!

No way we should be quoting posts that use phrases like 'game time'.

Agreed, rookie mistake.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Concrete John on July 14, 2015, 10:26:39 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 14, 2015, 08:32:42 PM

I'd be grumbling under my breath if we spent the reported £15m on Austin.

I don't rate him.

I may be being cruel when I say this, but I can't escape the feeling Austin has just had the best season of his career.  I fear he's a journeyman who's had a purple patch and not a late emerging talent.

And I think the same could be true of Chery after 18 good months at the age of 27.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 14, 2015, 10:30:50 PM

I don't really rate Austin either.
For 15m we could get a decent MF and a LB!

And see how Libor gets on.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dekko on July 14, 2015, 10:38:09 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on July 14, 2015, 10:26:39 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 14, 2015, 08:32:42 PM

I'd be grumbling under my breath if we spent the reported £15m on Austin.

I don't rate him.

I may be being cruel when I say this, but I can't escape the feeling Austin has just had the best season of his career.  I fear he's a journeyman who's had a purple patch and not a late emerging talent.

And I think the same could be true of Chery after 18 good months at the age of 27.

Grant Holt springs to mind

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 14, 2015, 10:44:15 PM

Quote from: dekko on July 14, 2015, 10:38:09 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on July 14, 2015, 10:26:39 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 14, 2015, 08:32:42 PM

I'd be grumbling under my breath if we spent the reported £15m on Austin.

I don't rate him.

I may be being cruel when I say this, but I can't escape the feeling Austin has just had the best season of his career.  I fear he's a journeyman who's had a purple patch and not a late emerging talent.

And I think the same could be true of Chery after 18 good months at the age of 27.

Grant Holt springs to mind

Grant Holt plods aimlessly into my mind.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 14, 2015, 10:59:55 PM

Quote from: Risso on July 14, 2015, 10:24:36 PM

Quote from: peter w on July 14, 2015, 09:21:11 PM

Quote from: simon ward 50 on July 14, 2015, 11:35:21 AM

Quote from: RussellC on July 14, 2015, 10:57:59 AM

There is absolutely no way on earth that we should be considering loaning players from Everton to give them game time.

Here here!

No way we should be quoting posts that use phrases like 'game time'.

Agreed, rookie mistake.

I was like, so, oh my God.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 14, 2015, 11:08:13 PM

Quote from: Russ aka Big Nose on July 13, 2015, 03:25:52 AM

Quote from: Dave on July 12, 2015, 10:40:24 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2015, 10:05:13 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on July 12, 2015, 08:57:15 PM

If there is money to spend, I'd use some of to get Sebastian Giovinco

He's on mental money Mr Sox. Very few sides in Europe will offer him what he's on with Toronto. He's a super player and head and shoulders above MLS.

$8.5m per season.

I'm sure there's money to spend, but probably not that many truckloads.

I was at Yankee Stadium earlier to see NYC FC vs. Toronto. Giovinco certainly took his hat-trick well - the third was a quality finish lifted over the keeper - but my MOTM was the centre mid for Toronto, Collen Warner.

He broke things up, made some decisive passes including one for the second goal and was typically in the right place. Cheyrou the Toronto skipper also played well. Toronto deserved to win.

All relative as it is hard to compare the standard versus the PL but a cracking game that finished 4-4.  We sat in the noisy section which was interesting/fun - tho NYC FC fans waving yellow cards after a couple of fouls was a bit sad.

Boiling hot, bright sunshine and a range of (expensive) decent beer to buy without a queue and enjoy in the ground during the game was a really good too. Yankee Stadium is not too shabby either - not quite Villa Park tho  ;)

A really good day that I would recommend to anyone visiting NYC.

I saw it live on sky sports with curbs being rolled out as co commentator. Defending in league is pretty shoddy and I think that's why altidore duped me these many years

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 14, 2015, 11:10:48 PM

Quote from: peter w on July 14, 2015, 10:59:55 PM

Quote from: Risso on July 14, 2015, 10:24:36 PM

Quote from: peter w on July 14, 2015, 09:21:11 PM

Quote from: simon ward 50 on July 14, 2015, 11:35:21 AM

Quote from: RussellC on July 14, 2015, 10:57:59 AM

There is absolutely no way on earth that we should be considering loaning players from Everton to give them game time.

Here here!

No way we should be quoting posts that use phrases like 'game time'.

Agreed, rookie mistake.

I was like, so, oh my God.

Even though its a global game motson the worst for saying overtime !

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 14, 2015, 11:22:20 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on July 14, 2015, 11:08:13 PM

I saw it live on sky sports with curbs being rolled out as co commentator. Defending in league is pretty shoddy and I think that's why altidore duped me these many years

Woaaah!

Have you turned your back on Jozy?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 14, 2015, 11:26:56 PM

I don't know what to believe any more.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 14, 2015, 11:30:35 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on July 14, 2015, 11:08:13 PM

Quote from: Russ aka Big Nose on July 13, 2015, 03:25:52 AM

Quote from: Dave on July 12, 2015, 10:40:24 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2015, 10:05:13 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on July 12, 2015, 08:57:15 PM

If there is money to spend, I'd use some of to get Sebastian Giovinco

He's on mental money Mr Sox. Very few sides in Europe will offer him what he's on with Toronto. He's a super player and head and shoulders above MLS.

$8.5m per season.

I'm sure there's money to spend, but probably not that many truckloads.

I was at Yankee Stadium earlier to see NYC FC vs. Toronto. Giovinco certainly took his hat-trick well - the third was a quality finish lifted over the keeper - but my MOTM was the centre mid for Toronto, Collen Warner.

He broke things up, made some decisive passes including one for the second goal and was typically in the right place. Cheyrou the Toronto skipper also played well. Toronto deserved to win.

All relative as it is hard to compare the standard versus the PL but a cracking game that finished 4-4.  We sat in the noisy section which was interesting/fun - tho NYC FC fans waving yellow cards after a couple of fouls was a bit sad.

Boiling hot, bright sunshine and a range of (expensive) decent beer to buy without a queue and enjoy in the ground during the game was a really good too. Yankee Stadium is not too shabby either - not quite Villa Park tho  ;)

A really good day that I would recommend to anyone visiting NYC.

I saw it live on sky sports with curbs being rolled out as co commentator. Defending in league is pretty shoddy and I think that's why altidore duped me these many years

What has MLS defending got to do with what you think about Jozy Altidore? Until this season he last played in MLS in 2008.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on July 15, 2015, 12:35:41 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on July 14, 2015, 10:26:39 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 14, 2015, 08:32:42 PM

I'd be grumbling under my breath if we spent the reported £15m on Austin.

I don't rate him.

I may be being cruel when I say this, but I can't escape the feeling Austin has just had the best season of his career.  I fear he's a journeyman who's had a purple patch and not a late emerging talent.

And I think the same could be true of Chery after 18 good months at the age of 27.

The thing is that Austin's been banging in the goals every season he's played for about half a decade now. I get that only one of them have been in the Premier League, but it still doesn't really fit the journeyman profile I think of. That being said, I would agree that this is probably going to be his best season - I'd expect something like 11-14 goals a season in the PL rather than 18 going forward. It probably depends on what the next club he goes to wants him to do - I've never gotten the impression watching him that he's suited to playing up front on his own.

Chery is obviously a gamble, but at least he has the goalscoring record in the first place, unlike, say, Tonev.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Risso on July 15, 2015, 12:45:03 AM

Quote from: passitsideways on July 15, 2015, 12:35:41 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on July 14, 2015, 10:26:39 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 14, 2015, 08:32:42 PM

I'd be grumbling under my breath if we spent the reported £15m on Austin.

I don't rate him.

I may be being cruel when I say this, but I can't escape the feeling Austin has just had the best season of his career.  I fear he's a journeyman who's had a purple patch and not a late emerging talent.

And I think the same could be true of Chery after 18 good months at the age of 27.

The thing is that Austin's been banging in the goals every season he's played for about half a decade now. I get that only one of them have been in the Premier League, but it still doesn't really fit the journeyman profile I think of. That being said, I would agree that this is probably going to be his best season - I'd expect something like 11-14 goals a season in the PL rather than 18 going forward. It probably depends on what the next club he goes to wants him to do - I've never gotten the impression watching him that he's suited to playing up front on his own.

Couldn't you say the same for Grant Holt and Ricky Lambert though?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on July 15, 2015, 12:47:15 AM

Moyes bidding £6m for Joel Campbell. If Benteke is off, that is a player I would be looking at for the price.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on July 15, 2015, 12:58:48 AM

Quote from: Risso on July 15, 2015, 12:45:03 AM

Quote from: passitsideways on July 15, 2015, 12:35:41 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on July 14, 2015, 10:26:39 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 14, 2015, 08:32:42 PM

I'd be grumbling under my breath if we spent the reported £15m on Austin.

I don't rate him.

I may be being cruel when I say this, but I can't escape the feeling Austin has just had the best season of his career.  I fear he's a journeyman who's had a purple patch and not a late emerging talent.

And I think the same could be true of Chery after 18 good months at the age of 27.

The thing is that Austin's been banging in the goals every season he's played for about half a decade now. I get that only one of them have been in the Premier League, but it still doesn't really fit the journeyman profile I think of. That being said, I would agree that this is probably going to be his best season - I'd expect something like 11-14 goals a season in the PL rather than 18 going forward. It probably depends on what the next club he goes to wants him to do - I've never gotten the impression watching him that he's suited to playing up front on his own.

Couldn't you say the same for Grant Holt and Ricky Lambert though?

I guess to a degree. But their situations are obviously a little different compared to 26 year old Austin's, right? Lambert had his first EPL seasons at 30 and 31, where he did very well for a Southampton team superior to us. Who knows if he would've fallen off the cliff at age 32, but I daresay that he may have managed another good season if he had stayed at Southampton. Likewise, Holt was 30 when he came to the EPL, and got dumped at the age of 32, loan spell aside.

I suppose my point is that I'm happy to count on goalscorers with extended scoring records across different levels of English football maintaining their record, so long as at least one of those seasons were in the EPL, particularly when they have time on their side. That's different to me actually wanting Austin for the price quoted, because I'm not sure he'll do that well with the way I expect us to play.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 15, 2015, 07:23:26 AM

Quote from: villadelph on July 15, 2015, 12:47:15 AM

Moyes bidding £6m for Joel Campbell. If Benteke is off, that is a player I would be looking at for the price.

I'd bring him in anyway if possible and get what we can for N'Zogbia.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Legion on July 15, 2015, 07:37:14 AM

A packet of Monster Munch would do for me.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 15, 2015, 07:58:01 AM

Quote from: Legion on July 15, 2015, 07:37:14 AM

A packet of Monster Munch would do for me.

I'd accept a packet of Lidl's own-brand' Monster Claws'. I'm lead to believe that would be sufficient to trigger the release clause in his contract.

(http://images1.mysupermarket.co.uk/ProductsDetailed/6/302806.jpg?v=4)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Damo70 on July 15, 2015, 08:13:41 AM

I think Austin is a decent finisher if you can create the chances for him. Certainly an upgrade on Weimann.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 15, 2015, 08:14:33 AM

Quote from: Legion on July 15, 2015, 07:37:14 AM

A packet of Monster Munch would do for me.

For breakfast? That's just filth

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 15, 2015, 08:39:40 AM

Mason Holgate is training with Yanited according to the Sun.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on July 15, 2015, 09:00:19 AM

a selection of players odds we are linked with as of SKYBET this morning

Rickie Lambert       7/4 (favourite)
Andros Townsend   7/4 (favourite)
Bakery Sako          11/4 (2nd favourite)
Fabio Borini           5/1
Charlie Austin        7/1
Mario Balotelli        12/1
Adnan Januzaj       16/1
Jonny Evans          22/1
Javier Hernandez   25/1

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 15, 2015, 09:14:34 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 15, 2015, 08:39:40 AM

Mason Holgate is training with Yanited according to the Sun.

For an 18 year-old right-back, I can't think of a worse move that he could make, unless he wants to spend the next 3 years on loan at lower league clubs before being sold to Sunderland or Preston (depending on his progress).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 15, 2015, 09:17:55 AM

If we do end up with 32.5M in our pocket I would hope we can do better than that lot (Januzaj being the exception).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 15, 2015, 09:29:56 AM

This might sound like heresy but considering what TS did with Adebeyour then I wonder if he could unlock the enigma that is Balotelli  ???

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 15, 2015, 09:30:11 AM

Sako's one that I  wouldn't mind on a free, depending on how much money there is to spend. I reckon he'd be an upgrade on N'Zogbia (as would I) in a similar role.

One downside would be that when the African Cup of nations comes round next we already face the prospect of Gueye being absent for a few weeks, so don't want too many player sin the same situation.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villan For Life on July 15, 2015, 09:31:58 AM

Quote from: Hookeysmith on July 15, 2015, 09:29:56 AM

This might sound like heresy but considering what TS did with Adebeyour then I wonder if he could unlock the enigma that is Balotelli  ???

Hell no!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Concrete John on July 15, 2015, 09:34:32 AM

If Benteke does go it'll leave such a big and vital hole in our side that we can't afford gambles like Mario the Mad.  I'd rather we take say £20m of any fee and spend it on proven and dependable quality.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 15, 2015, 09:48:10 AM

Quote from: villadelph on July 15, 2015, 12:47:15 AM

Moyes bidding £6m for Joel Campbell. If Benteke is off, that is a player I would be looking at for the price.

Exactly what I thought when I just read it on the BBC site.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on July 15, 2015, 09:50:57 AM

Balotelli: maybe but cannot see it happening in a million years.
Joel Campbell: not instead of Benteke, but maybe.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 15, 2015, 09:55:04 AM

We've also got to be mindful that we've currently got too many players. By my reckoning we've got 27 players who would take-up a place in the 25-man squad, so we will need to shift a few more to accommodate any signings.

Cissokho looks to be a dead-cert to go but there doesn't appear to be many takers at present? Who else? Personally, I'd be looking to keep hold of Senderos unless there's another CB on the way in. Richardson surplus to requirements if Amavi signs? Steer out on loan with a youngster as 3rd choice keeper? Tim's certainly got some juggling to do over the next few weeks.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 15, 2015, 10:45:14 AM

Quote from: RussellC on July 15, 2015, 07:58:01 AM

Quote from: Legion on July 15, 2015, 07:37:14 AM

A packet of Monster Munch would do for me.

I'd accept a packet of Lidl's own-brand' Monster Claws'. I'm lead to believe that would be sufficient to trigger the release clause in his contract.

(http://images1.mysupermarket.co.uk/ProductsDetailed/6/302806.jpg?v=4)

The manufacturing company who originally supplied Monster Munch to Walkers have clearly got a new marketing department as I've noticed re-badged Monster Munch turning up in a number of places recently.

Tesco do them, too, with the same three flavours.

(http://img.tesco.com/Groceries/pi/726/5053947756726/IDShot_540x540.jpg)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 15, 2015, 10:46:13 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on July 15, 2015, 09:34:32 AM

If Benteke does go it'll leave such a big and vital hole in our side that we can't afford gambles like Mario the Mad.  I'd rather we take say £20m of any fee and spend it on proven and dependable quality.

Agreed.

We'd be basically making the same mistake we've spent twelve months laughing at Liverpool for.

If Balotelli can't be fucked to turn in the odd decent performance at some of the clubs he's already got on his cv, what would he be like here?

Terrible idea.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on July 15, 2015, 11:31:37 AM

Mario's one of those people who you can point at and chuckle, saying "Isn't it great there are still characters in the game". But only when  he's playing for someone else.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 15, 2015, 01:08:58 PM

I hope we don't take anyone in exchance for Benteke.

N'Doye (Hull) or Diouf  (Stoke) if the price was good.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 15, 2015, 03:37:33 PM

United being linked again, I'd die a happy man if I never saw another Villa player in a united shirt again

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 15, 2015, 03:41:46 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on July 15, 2015, 09:34:32 AM

If Benteke does go it'll leave such a big and vital hole in our side that we can't afford gambles like Mario the Mad.  I'd rather we take say £20m of any fee and spend it on proven and dependable quality.

It will leave a big hole, but the likes of Swansea, Stoke and Southampton all finished in the top half  without having a striker anywhere near the quality of Benteke.  If he does go, we are unlikely to attract a player of similar quality, so we will need to spend the money on strengthening a number of areas and maybe try and compensate for losing his goals that way. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 15, 2015, 03:43:34 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 15, 2015, 03:37:33 PM

United being linked again, I'd die a happy man if I never saw another Villa player in a united shirt again

Still makes it more likely that we'll get the 32.5M for him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: placeforparks on July 15, 2015, 03:50:17 PM

downing going back to boro.

glad to see he really kicked on with his career after leaving us.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Le Lapin on July 15, 2015, 04:19:56 PM

Quote from: placeforparks on July 15, 2015, 03:50:17 PM

downing going back to boro.

glad to see he really kicked on with his career after leaving us.

Schadenfreude I think it is called.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 15, 2015, 04:29:26 PM

I assume he's homesick as he looked good at the tip of West Ham's midfield and under normal circumstances shouldn't be dropping down a league.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dr Butler on July 15, 2015, 04:33:31 PM

Quote from: OCD on July 15, 2015, 04:29:26 PM

I assume he's homesick as he looked good at the tip of West Ham's midfield and under normal circumstances shouldn't be dropping down a league.

agreed he did until Fat Sam moved him wide again so he could lump it into whoever their strikers were....still a spineless weasel though..

UTV
The Doc

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: MoetVillan on July 15, 2015, 04:46:41 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 15, 2015, 03:37:33 PM

United being linked again, I'd die a happy man if I never saw another Villa player in a united shirt again

Even Joe Bennett as a CB?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 15, 2015, 04:54:26 PM

Quote from: MoetVillan on July 15, 2015, 04:46:41 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 15, 2015, 03:37:33 PM

United being linked again, I'd die a happy man if I never saw another Villa player in a united shirt again

Even Joe Bennett as a CB?

Concrete Bennett

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tony Erdington on July 15, 2015, 05:31:48 PM

I actually think there is a decent footballer there in "our Joe Bennett"

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 15, 2015, 05:56:07 PM

Quote from: Le Lapin on July 15, 2015, 04:19:56 PM

Quote from: placeforparks on July 15, 2015, 03:50:17 PM

downing going back to boro.

glad to see he really kicked on with his career after leaving us.

Schadenfreude I think it is called.

Didn't hje play for spurs?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 15, 2015, 06:06:27 PM

Just signed for Man Ure.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 15, 2015, 06:23:43 PM

Quote from: Le Lapin on July 15, 2015, 04:19:56 PM

Quote from: placeforparks on July 15, 2015, 03:50:17 PM

downing going back to boro.

glad to see he really kicked on with his career after leaving us.

Schadenfreude I think it is called.

No, sure it's still wanker.

It takes a special someone to be in the same wanker team as H0dge, Alpay, and Downing's made it. I'd also have Barry in there also.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 15, 2015, 06:56:15 PM

Quote from: peter w on July 15, 2015, 06:23:43 PM

Quote from: Le Lapin on July 15, 2015, 04:19:56 PM

Quote from: placeforparks on July 15, 2015, 03:50:17 PM

downing going back to boro.

glad to see he really kicked on with his career after leaving us.

Schadenfreude I think it is called.

No, sure it's still wanker.

It takes a special someone to be in the same wanker team as H0dge, Alpay, and Downing's made it. I'd also have Barry in there also.

Ron Vlaar was making a strong case for inclusion, till he got injured again.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 15, 2015, 06:56:41 PM

QPR in for Chery and  Arry,s not even there!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 15, 2015, 06:59:44 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 15, 2015, 06:56:41 PM

QPR in for Chery and  Arry,s not even there!

So he has the choice between the Championship or the Premiership? Okay.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 15, 2015, 07:27:04 PM

Quote from: peter w on July 15, 2015, 06:59:44 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 15, 2015, 06:56:41 PM

QPR in for Chery and  Arry,s not even there!

So he has the choice between the Championship or the Premiership? Okay.

Yes, like that bloke from Swindon.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: go on the dog on July 15, 2015, 07:36:21 PM

That Holgate lad from Barnsley is training with Manchester Utd

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 15, 2015, 08:07:14 PM

Quote from: peter w on July 15, 2015, 06:59:44 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 15, 2015, 06:56:41 PM

QPR in for Chery and  Arry,s not even there!

So he has the choice between the Championship or the Premiership? Okay.

'The Premiership' hasn't existed since 2007.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 15, 2015, 08:38:27 PM

Quote from: peter w on July 15, 2015, 06:59:44 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 15, 2015, 06:56:41 PM

QPR in for Chery and  Arry,s not even there!

So he has the choice between the Championship or the Premiership? Okay.

Only if both clubs have a bid accepted.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 16, 2015, 12:55:30 AM

I'd take Balotelli. There's something about him that makes me think he'll work at a club of our current standing.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 16, 2015, 12:56:25 AM

Quote from: Dave on July 15, 2015, 08:07:14 PM

Quote from: peter w on July 15, 2015, 06:59:44 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 15, 2015, 06:56:41 PM

QPR in for Chery and  Arry,s not even there!

So he has the choice between the Championship or the Premiership? Okay.

'The Premiership' hasn't existed since 2007.

Do you commute from Bath to work in IT at a Slough-based paper company?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on July 16, 2015, 12:56:28 AM

Who are the 5 or 6 players Sherwood is saying he is trying to get rid of? All experienced pros on good contracts.

Nzogbia, Cissokho, Benteke (just for the saga to finally end), Cole, Senderos? Maybe Hutton and Richardson too. Gabby should be in that category but no club is mad enough to buy him.

If Benteke does go to United, who should we target for trade? Jones, Fellaini, Hernandez - all surely expendable for them. Just hope it's not Valencia, the epitome of mediocre.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on July 16, 2015, 01:10:59 AM

No trade just cash pure cash for Benteke.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve R on July 16, 2015, 05:54:35 AM

Quote from: Le Lapin on July 15, 2015, 04:19:56 PM

Quote from: placeforparks on July 15, 2015, 03:50:17 PM

downing going back to boro.

glad to see he really kicked on with his career after leaving us.

Schadenfreude I think it is called.

or Scheissefussballer

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 16, 2015, 07:21:29 AM

Saints have signed Clasie for £8m, guess we can cross him off the list now

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on July 16, 2015, 07:50:16 AM

Quote from: brontebilly on July 16, 2015, 12:56:28 AM

If Benteke does go to United, who should we target for trade?

...and will Villa get their First Round pick in next year's Draft  ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 16, 2015, 07:56:21 AM

Quote from: VillaiNorseVillan on July 16, 2015, 12:56:25 AM

Quote from: Dave on July 15, 2015, 08:07:14 PM

Quote from: peter w on July 15, 2015, 06:59:44 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 15, 2015, 06:56:41 PM

QPR in for Chery and  Arry,s not even there!

So he has the choice between the Championship or the Premiership? Okay.

'The Premiership' hasn't existed since 2007.

Do you commute from Bath to work in IT at a Slough-based paper company?

I tend to divide my time between that and watching old Bruce Lee films, yes.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 16, 2015, 08:23:03 AM

Oops wrong thread

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 16, 2015, 08:38:06 AM

Quote from: UK Redsox on July 16, 2015, 07:50:16 AM

Quote from: brontebilly on July 16, 2015, 12:56:28 AM

If Benteke does go to United, who should we target for trade?

Rooney?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Karl Bridges on July 16, 2015, 08:57:17 AM

Cissokho being linked with Fiorentina.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 16, 2015, 09:26:56 AM

If we could bring Praet into the midfield as a further central attacking option, then I actually think we'd have some quality and options in there for the first time in five years.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on July 16, 2015, 09:36:23 AM

Damn....another transfer target slips through Villa's grasp

http://www.rowdiessoccer.com/news/2015/07/14/rowdies-bolster-attack-with-signing-of-midfielderforward-freddy-adu

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 16, 2015, 09:57:16 AM

Quote from: Dave on July 16, 2015, 07:56:21 AM

Quote from: VillaiNorseVillan on July 16, 2015, 12:56:25 AM

Quote from: Dave on July 15, 2015, 08:07:14 PM

Quote from: peter w on July 15, 2015, 06:59:44 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 15, 2015, 06:56:41 PM

QPR in for Chery and  Arry,s not even there!

So he has the choice between the Championship or the Premiership? Okay.

'The Premiership' hasn't existed since 2007.

Do you commute from Bath to work in IT at a Slough-based paper company?

I tend to divide my time between that and watching old Bruce Lee films, yes.

Haha, very good both of you.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 16, 2015, 11:04:01 AM

We're being linked to this guy in The Mirror (via La Gazzetta)...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blerim_D%C5%BEemaili

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 16, 2015, 11:08:11 AM

Quote from: RussellC on July 16, 2015, 11:04:01 AM

We're being linked to this guy in The Mirror (via La Gazzetta)...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blerim_D%C5%BEemaili

hmmm looks all right.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 16, 2015, 11:40:24 AM

Quote from: RussellC on July 16, 2015, 11:04:01 AM

We're being linked to this guy in The Mirror (via La Gazzetta)...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blerim_D%C5%BEemaili

Decent player, remember him at Parma and Napoli. Wasn't he linked with Spurzzz a few years back (like every midfielder that's ever lived)?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 16, 2015, 12:17:51 PM

In terms of who Sherwood will be looking to move-on, it'll have to be at least 4 senior-pros just to make room to bring Amavi in (touch wood). In order of who I'd expect Sherwood to be looking to move the most, I reckon;

Cissokho
Tonev
Donacien
Steer (loan)
Senderos
Hutton
Richardson
N'Zogbia

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 16, 2015, 12:23:27 PM

I'd keep Hutton. I'd get rid of N'Zogbia. Useless bastard.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 16, 2015, 12:29:26 PM

Hard to say about Donacien, haven't seen him play much.

Who would take Tonev then? Not just rubbish, there's also the controversy from his loan spell at Celtic.

I think Richardson will stay. We may struggle to offload N'Zgobia, as he has high wages and will be available for nothing at the end of the season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Risso on July 16, 2015, 12:33:21 PM

At least Richardson is versatile, ie has the ability to play badly in a variety of positions.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Concrete John on July 16, 2015, 12:42:25 PM

I'd keep Richardson and Hutton.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 16, 2015, 01:04:29 PM

Do we think our "war chest" is based on already dipping into the Benteke money?

If so then it is already down to 23 mil - and I could not see a 23 mil striker (whoever that is) joining a struggling team - which unless results change quickly we are

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 16, 2015, 01:08:11 PM

Spending money you don't have isn't the best business principle.

I think if I were Benteke, I would be thinking if nothing's done by, say August 1st, I would commit to another year.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 16, 2015, 01:40:03 PM

I don't think so. I think Randy realises that everyone will be splashing the cash this summer to protect their Premiership standing prior to the big TV money kicking-in. I reckon we were looking at spending £30m this summer, so any money coming-in will be in addition to that.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 16, 2015, 01:49:19 PM

Quote from: RussellC on July 16, 2015, 01:40:03 PM

I don't think so. I think Randy realises that everyone will be splashing the cash this summer to protect their Premiership standing prior to the big TV money kicking-in. I reckon we were looking at spending £30m this summer, so any money coming-in will be in addition to that.

There's a chance that there will be a fair chunk of inflation next summer once the TV money kicks in, therefore buying now - at a 'cheaper' rate - might be prudent as the players will still be on 4-year deals.  I think it would be a good investment but I'm not sure Randy would see it that way, unless he can be persuaded to start looking long term again.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 16, 2015, 01:56:40 PM

Quote from: OCD on July 16, 2015, 01:08:11 PM

Spending money you don't have isn't the best business principle.

I think if I were Benteke, I would be thinking if nothing's done by, say August 1st, I would commit to another year.

If nothing had been done by then I'd tell all to do one. We need to hit the new season running not scrambling around searching for a last minute replacement. Any news on Austin? I'm expecting him to turn up at BH in the coming hours/days/probably Monday when the lads are back.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 16, 2015, 01:59:09 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 16, 2015, 01:49:19 PM

Quote from: RussellC on July 16, 2015, 01:40:03 PM

I don't think so. I think Randy realises that everyone will be splashing the cash this summer to protect their Premiership standing prior to the big TV money kicking-in. I reckon we were looking at spending £30m this summer, so any money coming-in will be in addition to that.

There's a chance that there will be a fair chunk of inflation next summer once the TV money kicks in, therefore buying now - at a 'cheaper rate' - might be prudent as the players will be on 4-year deals.  I think it would be a prudent investment but I'm not sure Randy would see it that way, unless he can be persuaded to start looking long term again.

That would tie-in with us seemingly shopping abroad too. The Premiership pound has never been stronger against the Euro as it currently is. In which case are we more likely to look abroad for a Benteke replacement, than splash £15m on Austin?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 16, 2015, 02:02:07 PM

Sherwood's comments on Gil are interesting. Effectively saying that he's not going to bring in another number 10 until Gil's had a proper go there, which would rule out moves for the likes of Chery and Praet.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 16, 2015, 02:15:47 PM

Quote from: RussellC on July 16, 2015, 01:59:09 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 16, 2015, 01:49:19 PM

Quote from: RussellC on July 16, 2015, 01:40:03 PM

I don't think so. I think Randy realises that everyone will be splashing the cash this summer to protect their Premiership standing prior to the big TV money kicking-in. I reckon we were looking at spending £30m this summer, so any money coming-in will be in addition to that.

There's a chance that there will be a fair chunk of inflation next summer once the TV money kicks in, therefore buying now - at a 'cheaper rate' - might be prudent as the players will be on 4-year deals.  I think it would be a prudent investment but I'm not sure Randy would see it that way, unless he can be persuaded to start looking long term again.

That would tie-in with us seemingly shopping abroad too. The Premiership pound has never been stronger against the Euro as it currently is. In which case are we more likely to look abroad for a Benteke replacement, than splash £15m on Austin?

I bloody well hope we're looking at better options than Austin at £15M.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 16, 2015, 02:20:24 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 16, 2015, 02:15:47 PM

I bloody well hope we're looking at better options than Austin at £15M.

Realistically though, £15m for a guy who scored 18 Premiership goals last season is going to be about the going-rate.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 16, 2015, 02:21:28 PM

I'm preying that we have been one step ahead on this and TS knows who he wants to bring in to replace Benteke.
My money is on Austin, Townsend and Adebayor

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Karl Bridges on July 16, 2015, 03:13:41 PM

I know Adebayor isn't liked much but he's a 1 in 2 striker who works well with TS. Likely to get him for less than £5m and then bring in that Breel Embolo kid from Basel for £10m to be the next Benteke and that way we cover the short and long term for the same price as Austin.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 16, 2015, 03:20:47 PM

Hmmmm...

http://gianlucadimarzio.com/serie-a/roma/roma-sabatini-a-londra-incontrera-anche-laston-villa-destro-e-ljajic-sul-piatto/

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 16, 2015, 03:21:58 PM

can't see him going to someone not in CL

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 16, 2015, 03:23:42 PM

"A stage of the market in London , to discuss also the possible operations out of Rome . Walter Sabatini , in his mission in London , will also meet with the Aston Villa to discuss the transfer of Mattia Destro , on which remains alive the interest of Fiorentina in case of departure of Mario Gomez . Besides former Milan striker , on the plate also the name of Adem Ljajic in optical Villans : summit planned at this time , and the market of Rome , outgoing , could finally unlock. Right with Ljajic and served on the plate for Aston Villa ."

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 16, 2015, 03:24:04 PM

I reckon the minute Benteke's move is done we'll be seeing the saluting king of North London heading up the M6 in one of his many rollers.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 16, 2015, 03:25:59 PM

Quote from: RussellC on July 16, 2015, 03:20:47 PM

Hmmmm...

http://gianlucadimarzio.com/serie-a/roma/roma-sabatini-a-londra-incontrera-anche-laston-villa-destro-e-ljajic-sul-piatto/

This would be phenomenal

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 16, 2015, 03:28:11 PM

With all his troubles at Spurs, would Adebayor be available for free? (Considering his wages)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 16, 2015, 03:36:43 PM

Quote from: RussellC on July 16, 2015, 03:23:42 PM

"A stage of the market in London , to discuss also the possible operations out of Rome . Walter Sabatini , in his mission in London , will also meet with the Aston Villa to discuss the transfer of Mattia Destro , on which remains alive the interest of Fiorentina in case of departure of Mario Gomez . Besides former Milan striker , on the plate also the name of Adem Ljajic in optical Villans : summit planned at this time , and the market of Rome , outgoing , could finally unlock. Right with Ljajic and served on the plate for Aston Villa ."

Those crazy Americans.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 16, 2015, 04:17:07 PM

Are we chasing every footballer in Europe!  looks that way.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 16, 2015, 04:18:26 PM

Quote from: RussellC on July 16, 2015, 02:20:24 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 16, 2015, 02:15:47 PM

I bloody well hope we're looking at better options than Austin at £15M.

Realistically though, £15m for a guy who scored 18 Premiership goals last season is going to be about the going-rate.

That's the problem though, going rate for the Premier League = expensive compared to other options (granted they'll come without the PL experience, but we're potentially about to sell the best example of why it's not necessary if the scouting is right.)

Austin was someone who relied an awful lot on Zamora from what I saw, which would mean a definite change in approach, although we've possibly already got the target man in Kozak, I don't think that's necessarily making the best of Kozak's attributes and strengths.
 
His comments about already having his "no 10" in Gil suggests that 442 isn't in his thinking, although 4312 might be an option.

The final worry for me would be Austin could be another example of "Darren Bent" syndrome. Unless the team is custom built to accommodate him you, you don't get anything like the best out of him and you become very inflexible in your tactically as you're forced to play "two up top".

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 16, 2015, 04:21:38 PM

The problem's compounded by the fact that we don't really have a lot of goals in the rest of the side (or at least, haven't done in recent seasons). The likes of Gil, Grealish, N'Zogbia, Sinclair, Delph and Gueye are really going to have to be challenged to start contributing goals, regardless of who we sign.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Concrete John on July 16, 2015, 04:26:17 PM

Quote from: Karl Bridges on July 16, 2015, 03:13:41 PM

I know Adebayor isn't liked much but he's a 1 in 2 striker who works well with TS. Likely to get him for less than £5m and then bring in that Breel Embolo kid from Basel for £10m to be the next Benteke and that way we cover the short and long term for the same price as Austin.

I could live with that, but I'd rather we use Kozak instead of bringing in Adebayor or similar.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on July 16, 2015, 04:32:28 PM

Quote from: VillaiNorseVillan on July 16, 2015, 03:36:43 PM

Quote from: RussellC on July 16, 2015, 03:23:42 PM

"A stage of the market in London , to discuss also the possible operations out of Rome . Walter Sabatini , in his mission in London , will also meet with the Aston Villa to discuss the transfer of Mattia Destro , on which remains alive the interest of Fiorentina in case of departure of Mario Gomez . Besides former Milan striker , on the plate also the name of Adem Ljajic in optical Villans : summit planned at this time , and the market of Rome , outgoing , could finally unlock. Right with Ljajic and served on the plate for Aston Villa ."

Those crazy Americans.

A slightly broader canvas from ´7500 To Holte´. Possibly superb signings ....if true!......Godzvilla !

Aston Villa talking to Roma about two tantalizing forwards:
Officials from Roma are apparently flying to England, and reports say they'll be discussing the transfer of Mattia Destro and Adem Ljajic to Aston Villa.

According to a report from Italian journalist Gianluca Di Marzio, Aston Villa are about to be in talks to sign one or both of Mattia Destro and Adem Ljajic. The news comes as Roma's director of football Walter Sabatini is flying to England to do some business. With news today that Liverpool have triggered Christian Benteke's release clause, Aston Villa are absolutely on the market for at least another striker (a role that could be filled by Destro) and heavens knows another winger like Ljajic couldn't hurt either.

Destro is a promising 24-year-old who has been at Roma since 2012. In fifty-seven matches with the Serie A club, he's scored twenty-four times. He spent this spring on loan at Milan, and didn't shine there, but given his playing style that shouldn't be too much of a worry. He's not a great finisher, but good off-the-ball movement and speed can make him an absolute threat, and if paired with a natural scorer like Libor Kozak, he could be lethal.

There's a lot of potential with Destro, but he's a raw player. Wages could be a bit of an issue, but if he were to make the move it's hard to imagine him being the top earner at Villa, so it's probably not a deal breaker. He signed with Roma for approximately €16 million, and the club would likely be looking to recover that cost or make a bit of a profit, so something in the £11-15 million range seems reasonable.

Ljajic, the 23-year-old Serbian winger, is the more polished of the two players. While he's likely got a bit less potential overall, we know what wed be getting with him. And that's a player who scored eight goals and added two assists in twenty-three Serie A appearances with Roma this year. He'd also likely be a bit less expensive than Destro, but not by much.
 Di Marzio is a pretty trustworthy journalist, and the move does make both financial and footballing sense "

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 16, 2015, 04:40:22 PM

This is much more like it in terms of transfer speculation, it's positively exotic.

I almost feel moved to become sniffy towards more agricultural opponents.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on July 16, 2015, 04:47:59 PM

Quote from: RussellC on July 16, 2015, 03:23:42 PM

"A stage of the market in London , to discuss also the possible operations out of Rome . Walter Sabatini , in his mission in London , will also meet with the Aston Villa to discuss the transfer of Mattia Destro , on which remains alive the interest of Fiorentina in case of departure of Mario Gomez . Besides former Milan striker , on the plate also the name of Adem Ljajic in optical Villans : summit planned at this time , and the market of Rome , outgoing , could finally unlock. Right with Ljajic and served on the plate for Aston Villa ."

Reading that I'm reminded of Ernie Wise playing the piano.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 16, 2015, 05:34:32 PM

or Professor Stanley Unwin?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 16, 2015, 05:42:18 PM

Charlie Austin is joining Newcastle so that's one off the list

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 16, 2015, 05:49:05 PM

I have my doubt over him as it goes. Not sure if he's dynamic  enough.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: phantom limb on July 16, 2015, 05:53:18 PM

Ljajic is a bloody good player from what I've seen of him, surprised Roma are selling him if that article is correct.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 16, 2015, 06:06:28 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 15, 2015, 07:27:04 PM

Quote from: peter w on July 15, 2015, 06:59:44 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 15, 2015, 06:56:41 PM

QPR in for Chery and  Arry,s not even there!

So he has the choice between the Championship or the Premiership? Okay.

Yes, like that bloke from Swindon.

Okay (no idea who you're talking about) a choice between the Championship or the Premier League (nod to Dave) whilst currently playing for one of the better eredivisie teams? Okay.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 16, 2015, 06:07:16 PM

Italian media reporting we've reached a deal for Darder

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: walsall villain on July 16, 2015, 06:12:50 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 16, 2015, 06:07:16 PM

Italian media reporting we've reached a deal for Darder

Own up, was it you who changed the Wikipedia page to show he plays for us now?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Small Rodent on July 16, 2015, 06:35:30 PM

Darder  Darder Darder Darder Da, Darder Darder Da I love you baby...

Frankie Valli

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 16, 2015, 06:49:59 PM

Quote from: Small Rodent on July 16, 2015, 06:35:30 PM

Darder  Darder Darder Darder Da, Darder Darder Da I love you baby...

Frankie Valli

Darder Darder Darder Darder Darder Darder Darder Darder Darder Darder Darder Darder Darder Darder Darder Darder Darder
Darder Darder Darder Darder Darder Darder Darder

Theme from The Dambusters.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 16, 2015, 07:09:43 PM

Quote from: peter w on July 16, 2015, 06:06:28 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 15, 2015, 07:27:04 PM

Quote from: peter w on July 15, 2015, 06:59:44 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 15, 2015, 06:56:41 PM

QPR in for Chery and  Arry,s not even there!

So he has the choice between the Championship or the Premiership? Okay.

Yes, like that bloke from Swindon.

Okay (no idea who you're talking about) a choice between the Championship or the Premier League (nod to Dave) whilst currently playing for one of the better eredivisie teams? Okay.

A Swindon midfielder opted for QPR over us earlier in the summer apparently. Club-a-go-go or summat like that. Only messing wid ya mate.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: thick_mike on July 16, 2015, 08:16:57 PM

Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on July 16, 2015, 06:49:59 PM

Quote from: Small Rodent on July 16, 2015, 06:35:30 PM

Darder  Darder Darder Darder Da, Darder Darder Da I love you baby...

Frankie Valli

Darder Darder Darder Darder Darder Darder Darder Darder Darder Darder Darder Darder Darder Darder Darder Darder Darder
Darder Darder Darder Darder Darder Darder Darder

Theme from The Dambusters.

Darder.............Darder..............Darder Darder Darder Darder

Theme from Jaws

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: oldham_villa on July 16, 2015, 08:39:08 PM

Surely it's "to the theme of No Limts"

Darder.
Darder Darder.
Darder Darder, Darder
Aston Villa

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 16, 2015, 08:52:04 PM

Darder I try

Brother Beyond

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: in exile on July 16, 2015, 08:59:06 PM

The theme from Z Cars

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 16, 2015, 09:00:33 PM

Johnny Darder Todd

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on July 16, 2015, 09:01:55 PM

Darder, Darder, Darder Darder Jing Jing Jing.

For us old 'uns.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 16, 2015, 09:02:48 PM

As she stands there singing for money.
Darder dee Darder daa Darder dee Darder daa

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 16, 2015, 09:03:46 PM

Dardar to motd

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Louzie0 on July 16, 2015, 09:10:09 PM

Darder Darder Darder Darder
Darder Darder Darder Darder
Batman

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 16, 2015, 09:11:52 PM

Sorry to interrupt, what was the name of that young striker we were linked with.  I think he was Belgian.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 16, 2015, 09:14:30 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 16, 2015, 09:11:52 PM

Sorry to interrupt, what was the name of that young striker we were linked with.  I think he was Belgian.

Gilles de Bilde?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 16, 2015, 09:16:51 PM

Darder Darder
Darder Darder,
Hey hey hey
Idrissa Gueye


with me you get 2 for the price of one!



If nothing else, I'm cheap!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 16, 2015, 09:18:42 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 16, 2015, 09:14:30 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 16, 2015, 09:11:52 PM

Sorry to interrupt, what was the name of that young striker we were linked with.  I think he was Belgian.

Gilles de Bilde?

I remember a Swiss player

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 16, 2015, 09:19:55 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 16, 2015, 09:11:52 PM

Sorry to interrupt, what was the name of that young striker we were linked with.  I think he was Belgian.

If Belgian, Praeto who is an attacking midfielder. If you mean Breel Emobolo, he's a Swiss striker that plays for Basel.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 16, 2015, 09:22:42 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on July 16, 2015, 09:18:42 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 16, 2015, 09:14:30 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 16, 2015, 09:11:52 PM

Sorry to interrupt, what was the name of that young striker we were linked with.  I think he was Belgian.

Gilles de Bilde?

I remember a Swiss player

Yep, that was him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 16, 2015, 09:25:23 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 16, 2015, 09:14:30 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 16, 2015, 09:11:52 PM

Sorry to interrupt, what was the name of that young striker we were linked with.  I think he was Belgian.

Gilles de Bilde?

Christian Benteke?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Risso on July 16, 2015, 09:45:36 PM

Darder, Idrissa, Faster, Stronger

(Daft Punk)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 16, 2015, 10:39:29 PM

That Destro link would be nice if it was true. I do love a great 6yd box poacher. Just imagine Grealish or Gil skinning the full back and getting a great cross in to Destro.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 16, 2015, 10:47:37 PM

                  Guzan
Hutton Richards Clark Amavi
              Gueye Darder
            Gil Grealish Delph
                  Striker

I like it! Don't know who the striker will be though. Praet in for Grealish and we'd be even better.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 16, 2015, 10:50:54 PM

Quote from: Newby on July 16, 2015, 10:47:37 PM

                  Guzan
Hutton Richards Clark Amavi
              Gueye Darder
            Gil Grealish Delph
                  Striker

I like it! Don't know who the striker will be though. Praet in for Grealish and we'd be even better.

Stryker up front?

(https://40.media.tumblr.com/77d0866c94fc93e9ef41796a9606d0c5/tumblr_mjx6ubOZxE1rp78t3o1_500.png)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: adrenachrome on July 16, 2015, 10:53:56 PM

Already posted on the CB thread, but what the hell.

Could have posted this in 3 threads, at least.

Meaning Evil

Quote

Aston Villa target Emmanuel Adebayor as replacement for Christian Benteke

Tottenham forward high on Tim Sherwood's wish list as Villa prepare for departure of Belgian star striker

22:30, 16 July 2015
By Gregg Evans


Tim Sherwood will make a renewed attempt to sign Emmanuel Adebayor from Tottenham as he plans for life without Christian Benteke.

The Villa boss needs a replacement for his star striker who now looks set to join Liverpool after the Reds finally agreed to meet the £32.5 million release clause in his contract.

Manchester United were considering a bid but it’s the Merseyside club who are now expected to land Villa’s prized asset after a summer-long pursuit of the Belgian.

 His inevitable departure will leave a gaping hole in Villa’s strikeforce and here in Portugal Sherwood is working tirelessly to source a new goal-getter.

QPR’s Charlie Austin is not in the manager’s thoughts but Adebayor, who scored 14 goals in 25 games for him at Spurs, remains high on the wishlist.

He needs no convincing that the 31-year-old is still good enough to perform, however the sticking point comes with his huge wage demands.

Last season Adebayor picked up £170k-a-week as Manchester City were still paying a chunk of his wages and even now in the final year of his contract he earns £100k each week.

On top of that Spurs, who desperately want him off the books, are hoping to recoup up to £5million in a transfer fee which would make any deal incredibly expensive for Villa.

The claret and blues will have plenty of money to play with should Benteke’s move go through but they will not be paying over the odds for players.

They are prepared to pay high wages to transfer targets this summer but as Sherwood told the Birmingham Mail this week: “There isn’t a bottomless pit.”

With left-back Jordan Amavi set to join for £9 million and Idrissa Gueye already through the door in a similar-priced deal, the transfer kitty is starting to run low.

As for Benteke, if he leaves he will become Liverpool’s second most expensive signing ever.

Sherwood had been desperate to keep hold of the prolific forward but is now facing a losing battle after the Reds decided to trigger the buyout clause.

Sources close to Benteke say that he has his heart set on Anfield and once the offer is received, the 24-year-old can negotiate personal terms and undergo a medical.

Liverpool banked £49 million from the sale of Raheem Sterling to Manchester City last week and have quickly decided to reinvest.

As of Thursday evening Benteke was still here in Portugal with the rest of the squad.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 16, 2015, 10:59:00 PM

Adebayor for now, sign a younger player as well in the hope he turns out to be the new Benteke. That would be fine by me.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on July 16, 2015, 11:04:54 PM

Could Adebayor be released on free to get him off Tottenham's wages bill ?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 16, 2015, 11:09:06 PM

We've got Libor "for now" and beyond....
Employing Adebayor (an easy press link) on silly money for the short term would be crazy business and unsettling for the team/squad.
Surely.

IF we have 32.5m to play with, let's be a bit more imaginative and look further than Spuds' cast offs!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LTA on July 16, 2015, 11:16:45 PM

Disappointed that we don't appear interested in Charlie Austin.  Hes exactly the sort of player we should be going for even if Benteke stays.  Hes available and Qpr have put a price on him.  Pay the money and go and get him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 16, 2015, 11:35:32 PM

Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 16, 2015, 11:09:06 PM

We've got Libor "for now" and beyond....
Employing Adebayor (an easy press link) on silly money for the short term would be crazy business and unsettling for the team/squad.
Surely.

IF we have 32.5m to play with, let's be a bit more imaginative and look further than Spuds' cast offs!

I like Libor, but relying on a player who has been out for two years would be foolhardy.

Being a bit more imaginative could work, but it could be a dismal failure. With Adebayor, I reckon you're pretty much guaranteed goals. Bring in another player as well who can be a bit more of a gamble.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 16, 2015, 11:43:58 PM

I think it's the easiest possible link for a journo and I think it's a load of bollocks.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: wozwebs on July 16, 2015, 11:45:30 PM

Aston Villa have made contact with Anthony Martial's representatives on several occasions, most recently this week, about a move. The player's entourage has refused to comment on Aston Villa rumours, but Martial has only just signed a contract extension with Monaco. (L'Équipe)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 17, 2015, 12:18:02 AM

Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 16, 2015, 11:43:58 PM

I think it's the easiest possible link for a journo and I think it's a load of bollocks.

Just because it's an easy link, doesn't mean it wouldn't be a sensible one.

Everyone thinks we'll go for Adebayor because Sherwood got the best out of him.

Sherwood may well think about going for Adebayor because he thinks he can get the best out of him.

Why not?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 17, 2015, 12:32:38 AM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 17, 2015, 12:18:02 AM

Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 16, 2015, 11:43:58 PM

I think it's the easiest possible link for a journo and I think it's a load of bollocks.

Just because it's an easy link, doesn't mean it wouldn't be a sensible one.

Everyone thinks we'll go for Adebayor because Sherwood got the best out of him.

Sherwood may well think about going for Adebayor because he thinks he can get the best out of him.

Why not?

Oh yeah it may be sensible, but that link is incredibly easy to conjure. I only think I would be happy with such a move if his wages are drastically reduced. If that happens then fair enough. Everyone in football knows what he can do. He just does it all too rarely.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 17, 2015, 12:44:20 AM

He did it pretty often when Tim was his manager.

Can't wait to see him saluting the Holte End.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: adrenachrome on July 17, 2015, 12:47:12 AM

Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 17, 2015, 12:32:38 AM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 17, 2015, 12:18:02 AM

Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 16, 2015, 11:43:58 PM

I think it's the easiest possible link for a journo and I think it's a load of bollocks.

Just because it's an easy link, doesn't mean it wouldn't be a sensible one.

Everyone thinks we'll go for Adebayor because Sherwood got the best out of him.

Sherwood may well think about going for Adebayor because he thinks he can get the best out of him.

Why not?

Oh yeah it may be sensible, but that link is incredibly easy to conjure. I only think I would be happy with such a move if his wages are drastically reduced. If that happens then fair enough. Everyone in football knows what he can do. He just does it all too rarely.

Assuming it is true it could work out, of course. I would not bet on it, though. Maybe my gambling nerve has been shredded by experiences with SVC and Stepehen Ireland, other examples of highly talented players with questionable temperaments and dubious work ethics.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 17, 2015, 12:51:03 AM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 17, 2015, 12:44:20 AM

He did it pretty often when Tim was his manager.

Can't wait to see him saluting the Holte End.

I must admit having looked up his record his goal scoring is better than I thought.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 17, 2015, 01:00:14 AM

Quote from: adrenachrome on July 17, 2015, 12:47:12 AM

Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 17, 2015, 12:32:38 AM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 17, 2015, 12:18:02 AM

Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 16, 2015, 11:43:58 PM

I think it's the easiest possible link for a journo and I think it's a load of bollocks.

Just because it's an easy link, doesn't mean it wouldn't be a sensible one.

Everyone thinks we'll go for Adebayor because Sherwood got the best out of him.

Sherwood may well think about going for Adebayor because he thinks he can get the best out of him.

Why not?

Oh yeah it may be sensible, but that link is incredibly easy to conjure. I only think I would be happy with such a move if his wages are drastically reduced. If that happens then fair enough. Everyone in football knows what he can do. He just does it all too rarely.

Assuming it is true it could work out, of course. I would not bet on it, though. Maybe my gambling nerve has been shredded by experiences with SVC and Stepehen Ireland, other examples of highly talented players with questionable temperaments and dubious work ethics.

I think Sherwood is well placed to make a decision on him seeing as he has worked with him before. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve R on July 17, 2015, 05:41:33 AM

If Adebeyor is the answer, or even just the insurance policy, we shouldn't break a leg to solve one of Spurs' problems for them. A loan deal for the last year of his contract with nothing more than a contribution to wages from us then if we want to take it further we negotiate with a free agent next year.

Having said all that, isn't he currently on compassionate leave? Is there any guarantee he'd be up to playing football next season?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 17, 2015, 05:51:13 AM

very sensible suggestion - to pay any sort of transfer fee and some lottery style salary would be madness and show we have learned nothing - a massively subsidized deal maybe as long as others younger and hungrier come in. It's going from the sublime ( Italian/Spanish links) to the ridiculous at the moment.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 17, 2015, 07:17:25 AM

Quote from: wozwebs on July 16, 2015, 11:45:30 PM

Aston Villa have made contact with Anthony Martial's representatives on several occasions, most recently this week, about a move. The player's entourage has refused to comment on Aston Villa rumours, but Martial has only just signed a contract extension with Monaco. (L'Équipe)

Are you trying to say we're having Martial problems?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on July 17, 2015, 07:22:16 AM

We cant talk about a player contracted to another club, its Martial Law.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 17, 2015, 07:57:28 AM

Trying to court Martial?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 17, 2015, 08:09:38 AM

If Adebayor came in on a 2 year deal and scored 15 a season it would be a bargain. If he came and sat on his arse and flopped around and we went down it would be a massive feck up. Only Sherwood can make that call, but I can see why he would turn to someone who scored 14 in 25 for him previously and that he has a good relationship with, and who can be a very good player.

I would prefer if it is him though, that we go and get the Swiss lad too so that we have some succession planning in place.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on July 17, 2015, 08:15:42 AM

Adebayor strikes me as being something of a loose cannon, no from me.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 17, 2015, 08:26:09 AM

Adebayor at his best would be a fantastic replacement. But there are so many Qs about that, even more so in the last year or so.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 17, 2015, 08:41:32 AM

If we did sign Adebayor though, it would make us the first Premier League team ever to have had 2 Togolese internationals.

Think of the shirt-sale potential there.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on July 17, 2015, 08:44:39 AM

Adebayor in general: no.

Adebayor rediscovering the form he had at Spurs under Sherwood: yes.

He's a bit of a tit though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 17, 2015, 09:08:29 AM

Adebayor's got a year left on his contract so we should be taking him on loan only, then review the situation next summer. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 17, 2015, 09:21:50 AM

Quote from: Des Little on July 17, 2015, 09:08:29 AM

Adebayor's got a year left on his contract so we should be taking him on loan only, then review the situation next summer. 

Agreed he should be as hard to shift as Darren Bent, so I see no reason why not.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on July 17, 2015, 09:35:16 AM

I wonder if Levy will let us have him for a nominal fee given that nobody else will be interested. In that case, I'm wondering if we can get away with a one year deal on the same weekly wage as he's currently getting at Spurs. Maybe sell it to him as a chance to put himself in the shop window for teams actually willing to offer him one last payday.

If it's anything more than a one year commitment though, we should be running away. Fast.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 17, 2015, 09:49:34 AM

Quote from: passitsideways on July 17, 2015, 09:35:16 AM

I wonder if Levy will let us have him for a nominal fee given that nobody else will be interested. In that case, I'm wondering if we can get away with a one year deal on the same weekly wage as he's currently getting at Spurs. Maybe sell it to him as a chance to put himself in the shop window for teams actually willing to offer him one last payday.

If it's anything more than a one year commitment though, we should be running away. Fast.

Good idea.

Unfortunately, Levy doesn't do good ideas for other clubs.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 17, 2015, 09:56:04 AM

Sherwood seems to think he is wonderful. I see him as another Fashanu. Take him on a three month loan and see how things go.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 17, 2015, 10:08:26 AM

Quote from: Des Little on July 17, 2015, 09:08:29 AM

Adebayor's got a year left on his contract so we should be taking him on loan only, then review the situation next summer.

Seems the best idea.  Only problem is that the player you have on loan for a season might disappear once he has a two year contract in his back pocket.  Would probably take the loan option though, but think we would need to bring in another option as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 17, 2015, 10:12:37 AM

I think I'd rather us take a look at someone like Rudy Gestede than throw money at Adebayor.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 17, 2015, 10:14:50 AM

Sherwood said in the week that we couldn't afford Adebayor. Now, that either means Spurs would want a stupid fee for him or his wages would be stupidly high and I reckon it would be the latter, so we may not even do it even if Benteke did leave.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on July 17, 2015, 10:30:50 AM

How long will Jordan Rhodes be out injured for ?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 17, 2015, 10:33:45 AM

Can we just buy some other players while we're waiting for this eternal medical to be completed?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Karl Bridges on July 17, 2015, 10:34:29 AM

I can't see why there is such a dislike of Adebayor given his history with Sherwood. Obviously Villa wouldn't be paying him the £100k a week he's getting now but he's a more proven Premier League striker than Charlie Austin and as a short term replacement for a 1 in 2 striker then a 1 in 2 striker fits the bill perfectly.

The proviso on the deal for me would be getting in a younger 'new Benteke' like Embolo to pass the baton onto without having all of our expectations on an 18 year old in a new league to deliver immediately.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 17, 2015, 10:37:19 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 17, 2015, 10:33:45 AM

Can we just buy some other players while we're waiting for this eternal medical to be completed?

It may well drag on for a few days yet if it's true. Benteke's in Portugal and Liverpool are out in Australia.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: rob_bridge on July 17, 2015, 10:46:04 AM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 17, 2015, 09:56:04 AM

Sherwood seems to think he is wonderful. I see him as another Fashanu. Take him on a three month loan and see how things go.

Yep - a bit more mobile I suppose.

Half season loan and see what happens.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 17, 2015, 10:49:43 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 17, 2015, 10:33:45 AM

Can we just buy some other players while we're waiting for this eternal medical to be completed?

Mind you he is a bit injury prone, if you were Liverpool you'd be making sure you got the medical right.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Karl Bridges on July 17, 2015, 11:10:54 AM

That Anthony Martial Youtube video looks very good. Nice skills and looks pretty nippy.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 17, 2015, 11:12:59 AM

Quote from: Clampy on July 17, 2015, 10:37:19 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 17, 2015, 10:33:45 AM

Can we just buy some other players while we're waiting for this eternal medical to be completed?

It may well drag on for a few days yet if it's true. Benteke's in Portugal and Liverpool are out in Australia.

I meant Amavi, sorry.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 17, 2015, 11:17:20 AM

We're after some lad out of Malaga as well, defensive midfielder who looks pretty useful.

We're in for a different caliber of players this summer, which is nice.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 17, 2015, 11:23:42 AM

Quote from: Karl Bridges on July 17, 2015, 11:10:54 AM

That Anthony Martial Youtube video looks very good. Nice skills and looks pretty nippy.

Looks very good but he's still very raw.  We'd need Gabby and Kozak to contribute a fair bit for the first year or 2 I think, same as Embolo who also looks a good prospect.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 17, 2015, 11:25:02 AM

Quote from: Ads on July 17, 2015, 11:17:20 AM

We're after some lad out of Malaga as well, defensive midfielder who looks pretty useful.

We're in for a different caliber of players this summer, which is nice.

Is that Sergi Darder?

I know the danger of youtube clips, but will say it anyway, his makes him look very promising.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 17, 2015, 11:26:22 AM

Who is our new Head of Linking?  Whoever they are they're doing a great job putting our name alongside every player in Europe that has indicated they may want a move.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on July 17, 2015, 11:27:05 AM

HITC reporting that Chery has missed pre-season training and is in talks with an English club and it's "almost certain that the midfielder will be turning out for QPR or Villa next term".

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 17, 2015, 11:35:29 AM

I'm not sure about Chery, his video from last season looks very good but before that there's very little, which is strange for a 27 year old, that's why he's only 3.5m after the season he just had and why he's a risky one.

If we're looking at an attacking midfielder in Holland I'd like Hakim Ziyech to be top of the list (we have an office in Enschede which is ful lof Twente fans so my opinion may be skewed a touch) his record last season is seriously impressive and he's got a belter of a free kick on him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on July 17, 2015, 11:38:30 AM

Quote from: IAmTheOneIanOlney on July 17, 2015, 11:27:05 AM

HITC reporting that Chery has missed pre-season training and is in talks with an English club and it's "almost certain that the midfielder will be turning out for QPR or Villa next term".

Medical at rangers Monday

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 17, 2015, 11:39:13 AM

Quote from: Des Little on July 17, 2015, 11:26:22 AM

Who is our new Head of Linking?  Whoever they are they're doing a great job putting our name alongside every player in Europe that has indicated they may want a move.

*applause*

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Karl Bridges on July 17, 2015, 12:03:13 PM

It's being reported that the Chery fee is £2.25m. The Birmingham Mail said we'd had a £3m bid rejected so something is a little off.

In other news Chris Herd has rejected the short term deal we offered and is looking for a new club.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 17, 2015, 12:05:22 PM

Chery is worth a gamble at 2.25m surely, although you would think a lot of other clubs would be in considering his record.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 17, 2015, 12:13:43 PM

Quote from: Karl Bridges on July 17, 2015, 12:03:13 PM

It's being reported that the Chery fee is £2.25m. The Birmingham Mail said we'd had a £3m bid rejected so something is a little off.

In other news Chris Herd has rejected the short term deal we offered and is looking for a new club.

Little bit surprising that we'd be offering Herd a new deal in the first place.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: A Northern Soul on July 17, 2015, 12:20:19 PM

Quote from: godzvilla on July 16, 2015, 04:32:28 PM

Quote from: VillaiNorseVillan on July 16, 2015, 03:36:43 PM

Quote from: RussellC on July 16, 2015, 03:23:42 PM

"A stage of the market in London , to discuss also the possible operations out of Rome . Walter Sabatini , in his mission in London , will also meet with the Aston Villa to discuss the transfer of Mattia Destro , on which remains alive the interest of Fiorentina in case of departure of Mario Gomez . Besides former Milan striker , on the plate also the name of Adem Ljajic in optical Villans : summit planned at this time , and the market of Rome , outgoing , could finally unlock. Right with Ljajic and served on the plate for Aston Villa ."

Those crazy Americans.

A slightly broader canvas from ´7500 To Holte´. Possibly superb signings ....if true!......Godzvilla !

Aston Villa talking to Roma about two tantalizing forwards:
Officials from Roma are apparently flying to England, and reports say they'll be discussing the transfer of Mattia Destro and Adem Ljajic to Aston Villa.

According to a report from Italian journalist Gianluca Di Marzio, Aston Villa are about to be in talks to sign one or both of Mattia Destro and Adem Ljajic. The news comes as Roma's director of football Walter Sabatini is flying to England to do some business. With news today that Liverpool have triggered Christian Benteke's release clause, Aston Villa are absolutely on the market for at least another striker (a role that could be filled by Destro) and heavens knows another winger like Ljajic couldn't hurt either.

Destro is a promising 24-year-old who has been at Roma since 2012. In fifty-seven matches with the Serie A club, he's scored twenty-four times. He spent this spring on loan at Milan, and didn't shine there, but given his playing style that shouldn't be too much of a worry. He's not a great finisher, but good off-the-ball movement and speed can make him an absolute threat, and if paired with a natural scorer like Libor Kozak, he could be lethal.

There's a lot of potential with Destro, but he's a raw player. Wages could be a bit of an issue, but if he were to make the move it's hard to imagine him being the top earner at Villa, so it's probably not a deal breaker. He signed with Roma for approximately €16 million, and the club would likely be looking to recover that cost or make a bit of a profit, so something in the £11-15 million range seems reasonable.

Ljajic, the 23-year-old Serbian winger, is the more polished of the two players. While he's likely got a bit less potential overall, we know what wed be getting with him. And that's a player who scored eight goals and added two assists in twenty-three Serie A appearances with Roma this year. He'd also likely be a bit less expensive than Destro, but not by much.
 Di Marzio is a pretty trustworthy journalist, and the move does make both financial and footballing sense "

Just spoke to an Italian guy at work (Inter fan) who is a big admirer of Benteke. His view, if we can get these 2 AND some change out of the Benteke money he would drive him to Liverpool himself

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 17, 2015, 12:22:16 PM

Sherwood's been talking up Gil and even said something along the lines that it would be wrong to bring in another number 10 without giving him a proper run in the side first. On that basis alone I think Chery is a non-starter.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Karl Bridges on July 17, 2015, 12:25:30 PM

Quote from: taylorsworkrate on July 17, 2015, 12:13:43 PM

Quote from: Karl Bridges on July 17, 2015, 12:03:13 PM

It's being reported that the Chery fee is £2.25m. The Birmingham Mail said we'd had a £3m bid rejected so something is a little off.

In other news Chris Herd has rejected the short term deal we offered and is looking for a new club.

Little bit surprising that we'd be offering Herd a new deal in the first place.

It was only 3 months to let Timmy boy give him the once over.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 17, 2015, 12:26:46 PM

Quote from: Des Little on July 17, 2015, 11:26:22 AM

Who is our new Head of Linking?  Whoever they are they're doing a great job putting our name alongside every player in Europe that has indicated they may want a move.

footyskillz.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on July 17, 2015, 12:32:42 PM

So we've popped our Chery?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on July 17, 2015, 12:34:11 PM

Not for the first time, I'm confused. Why would an Inter fan drive a Villa player to Liverpool so two Roma players can move?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on July 17, 2015, 12:36:11 PM

Quote from: RussellC on July 17, 2015, 12:22:16 PM

Sherwood's been talking up Gil and even said something along the lines that it would be wrong to bring in another number 10 without giving him a proper run in the side first. On that basis alone I think Chery is a non-starter.

If that is Tim's view....<I like>

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 17, 2015, 12:38:51 PM

Quote from: Karl Bridges on July 17, 2015, 12:25:30 PM

Quote from: taylorsworkrate on July 17, 2015, 12:13:43 PM

Quote from: Karl Bridges on July 17, 2015, 12:03:13 PM

It's being reported that the Chery fee is £2.25m. The Birmingham Mail said we'd had a £3m bid rejected so something is a little off.

In other news Chris Herd has rejected the short term deal we offered and is looking for a new club.

Little bit surprising that we'd be offering Herd a new deal in the first place.

It was only 3 months to let Timmy boy give him the once over.

I suppose, but everything I've seen of Herd would suggest he's not remotely good enough

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on July 17, 2015, 12:39:20 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on July 17, 2015, 12:34:11 PM

Not for the first time, I'm confused. Why would an Inter fan drive a Villa player to Liverpool so two Roma players can move?

Two things. Those players leaving will weaken Roma and may be he thinks it's a fantastic deal for Villa?

Anyway he has no chance as Douglas has been revving up AV1 since lunch tune yesterday. He still has our best interest at heart!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on July 17, 2015, 12:43:48 PM

I think the Barbecue sauce in Aldi is a fantastic deal but I'm not driving it to your house, you can get it yourself.

So there

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: A Northern Soul on July 17, 2015, 12:45:15 PM

Think he was putting himself in our shoes

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on July 17, 2015, 12:57:21 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on July 17, 2015, 12:43:48 PM

I think the Barbecue sauce in Aldi is a fantastic deal but I'm not driving it to your house, you can get it yourself.

So there

I'm popping there this afternoon, I'll pick some up for whoever wants some.

What's the situation with Remy at the moment? Did someone already come in for him? Getting him in if Benteke goes would certainly soften the blow.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 17, 2015, 01:16:01 PM

I was told three weeks adebayor was a done deal


but he could have been winding me up , he said townsend too thou ;(

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 17, 2015, 01:43:12 PM

I sincerely hope he was

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 17, 2015, 01:44:31 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 17, 2015, 01:43:12 PM

I sincerely hope he was

and me ....    but he does know whats going on down there ;(

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 17, 2015, 03:14:23 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on July 17, 2015, 01:16:01 PM

I was told three weeks adebayor was a done deal


but he could have been winding me up , he said townsend too thou ;(

Adebayor, I could just about stomach if it was on loan. Townsend would be another N'Zogbia. Shite.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Karl Bridges on July 17, 2015, 03:32:57 PM

I cannot beleive how many people think Townsend is good.

He's massively overrated and ridiculously overpriced and has very little end product.

Yet so many people seem to think £30m on him & Austin is good business.

It's not.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 17, 2015, 04:06:19 PM

12 million for both yes ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 17, 2015, 04:16:20 PM

Quote from: Karl Bridges on July 17, 2015, 03:32:57 PM

I cannot beleive how many people think Townsend is good.

He's massively overrated and ridiculously overpriced and has very little end product.

Yet so many people seem to think £30m on him & Austin is good business.

It's not.

It'd be a massive waste of money at that price.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 17, 2015, 04:43:06 PM

I like Townsend but not Austin.

We'll end up paying over the odds for whoever we sign now, as every man and his dog knows we'll have £40m+ in our pocket and seriously pressing needs.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 17, 2015, 04:44:44 PM

So let me see. We are about to lose Benteke and now it appears Delph. Our much needed left back still hasnt arrived in Birmingham for his medical and our manager wants to bring in an ageing unpopular player who has more personal baggage than Antler.

It actually cannot get worse. Or can it?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 17, 2015, 04:48:42 PM

We best have a very very busy two weeks planned.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 17, 2015, 04:48:56 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 17, 2015, 04:44:44 PM

So let me see. We are about to lose Benteke and now it appears Delph. Our much needed left back still hasnt arrived in Birmingham for his medical and our manager wants to bring in an ageing unpopular player who has more personal baggage than Antler.

It actually cannot get worse. Or can it?

That appears to be the long and short of it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 17, 2015, 04:49:55 PM

we need some very good signings very quickly to instil some sort of confidence. What a fucking day.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on July 17, 2015, 04:50:32 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 17, 2015, 04:44:44 PM

So let me see. We are about to lose Benteke and now it appears Delph. Our much needed left back still hasn't arrived in Birmingham for his medical and our manager wants to bring in an ageing unpopular player who has more personal baggage than Antler.

It actually cannot get worse. Or can it?

We give N'Zogbia a contract extension, ok i'm struggling.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LTA on July 17, 2015, 05:00:59 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 17, 2015, 04:48:56 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 17, 2015, 04:44:44 PM

So let me see. We are about to lose Benteke and now it appears Delph. Our much needed left back still hasnt arrived in Birmingham for his medical and our manager wants to bring in an ageing unpopular player who has more personal baggage than Antler.

It actually cannot get worse. Or can it?

That appears to be the long and short of it.

Bearing in mind Sherwood talked about a complete rebuild in May, to only have 3 new players and lose our better ones by the middle of July is pitiful.

Lerner and Fox have shown their ineptitude yet again.  Sooner these 2 planks go the better.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 17, 2015, 05:07:26 PM

Quote from: LTA on July 17, 2015, 05:00:59 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 17, 2015, 04:48:56 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 17, 2015, 04:44:44 PM

So let me see. We are about to lose Benteke and now it appears Delph. Our much needed left back still hasnt arrived in Birmingham for his medical and our manager wants to bring in an ageing unpopular player who has more personal baggage than Antler.

It actually cannot get worse. Or can it?

That appears to be the long and short of it.

Bearing in mind Sherwood talked about a complete rebuild in May, to only have 3 new players and lose our better ones by the middle of July is pitiful.

Lerner and Fox have shown their ineptitude yet again.  Sooner these 2 planks go the better.

Quote from: LTA on July 17, 2015, 05:00:59 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 17, 2015, 04:48:56 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 17, 2015, 04:44:44 PM

So let me see. We are about to lose Benteke and now it appears Delph. Our much needed left back still hasnt arrived in Birmingham for his medical and our manager wants to bring in an ageing unpopular player who has more personal baggage than Antler.

It actually cannot get worse. Or can it?

That appears to be the long and short of it.

Bearing in mind Sherwood talked about a complete rebuild in May, to only have 3 new players and lose our better ones by the middle of July is pitiful.

Lerner and Fox have shown their ineptitude yet again.  Sooner these 2 planks go the better.

What exactly have the club done wrong on the delph case?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 17, 2015, 05:11:27 PM

Quite

If anyone brings up that effing £8m clause so help me god I will get the North Koreans to cyber attack heroes and villains towers

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 17, 2015, 05:28:45 PM

We're about the twentieth richest club in the world, ever-present in the richest league. Probably ninety percent of the world's pro footballers would love to play for us. We can organise a more than decent team with what we've got already plus £40m plus whatever we were going to spend anyway.

We'll get over it. Fuck the fuckers.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 17, 2015, 05:33:02 PM

I am starting - just starting - to worry about the fact we have so much to do in the window, and that was assuming Delph and Benteke staying.

Whatever happens, we have got to buy some really good players this window. Not get linked with them, actually buy them.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 17, 2015, 05:41:26 PM

but  let's be honest Benteke was never going to stay. I have never felt so pissed off as I am today with football.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 17, 2015, 05:43:13 PM

ok to appease me with CB and FD going

spend most the money on


Amavi
Destro
Ljajic
Embolo
Milosevic
dardar

Id be happy with this and would be an exciting season for me wondering how the Villa will turn out with these signing.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villatillidie25 on July 17, 2015, 05:50:03 PM

Chances of getting that lot....
I was mildly optimistic before today. I'm trying not to jump on the I hate Delph band wagon and will wait to see it unfold but there is almost zero chance of a relegation threatened team replacing 2 and arguably 3 of their best players in one summer and making progress. Given the limited wiggle room with relegation we have, that would only mean one thing...
We could probably have coped with losing Benteke if we replaced him with one striker and an attacking mid with a goal threat but you can't replace Delph as well when you add to that the fact that we need a left back and probably at least two others. Nobody buys 5 players of better quality than they already have in 2 weeks, certainly not small minded Lerner

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 17, 2015, 05:51:44 PM

Quote from: Villatillidie25 on July 17, 2015, 05:50:03 PM

Chances of getting that lot....
I was mildly optimistic before today. I'm trying not to jump on the I hate Delph band wagon and will wait to see it unfold but there is almost zero chance of a relegation threatened team replacing 2 and arguably 3 of their best players in one summer and making progress. Given the limited wiggle room with relegation we have, that would only mean one thing...
We could probably have coped with losing Benteke if we replaced him with one striker and an attacking mid with a goal threat but you can't replace Delph as well when you add to that the fact that we need a left back and probably at least two others. Nobody buys 5 players of better quality than they already have in 2 weeks, certainly not small minded Lerner

but he could have 40 million now ?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: gervilla on July 17, 2015, 05:53:41 PM

Now would be a very good time for the club to announce a new signing or two.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 17, 2015, 05:54:52 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on July 17, 2015, 05:51:44 PM

Quote from: Villatillidie25 on July 17, 2015, 05:50:03 PM

Chances of getting that lot....
I was mildly optimistic before today. I'm trying not to jump on the I hate Delph band wagon and will wait to see it unfold but there is almost zero chance of a relegation threatened team replacing 2 and arguably 3 of their best players in one summer and making progress. Given the limited wiggle room with relegation we have, that would only mean one thing...
We could probably have coped with losing Benteke if we replaced him with one striker and an attacking mid with a goal threat but you can't replace Delph as well when you add to that the fact that we need a left back and probably at least two others. Nobody buys 5 players of better quality than they already have in 2 weeks, certainly not small minded Lerner

but he could have 40 million now ?

I think we've got to give Genk £5m of the Benteke fee, but that's still a lot of money in our wallet. I'd be disappointed if we don't spend another £10m on top of that though. The squad needs some serious work done to it and that takes money.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 17, 2015, 05:56:42 PM

Quote from: gervilla on July 17, 2015, 05:53:41 PM

Now would be a very good time for the club to announce a new signing or two.

I think they'll rush to announce the Amavi signing now.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 17, 2015, 06:05:02 PM

Fuck Delph. So long Benteke, who is the real reason we stayed up for 3 seasons. Let's build a new Astom Villa, with new heroes that want to be part of the new regime. Get Darder in, get Praet in and Amavi. Get a new creative wide man and a couple of strikers to replace the big man. Then prove everyone wrong next season. And break that fecker in two when they come to VP. We are Aston Villa. We deserve better. I hope Sherwood can find it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villatillidie25 on July 17, 2015, 06:09:58 PM

15% of Benteke goes to Gene. So that's a total of £35m in the pot, which everyone else knows we have. Add that to the fact of our desperate need for signings, limited time and the fact that we are less appealing without Benteke and Delph I can't see us being able to get the quantity or quality through the door.
We would have to get one or two in otherwise I think there would be a serious fan  backlash but would it be enough? I personally think we would struggle.
The saving grace is that I don't think the current squad would be as bad under TS as they were under TSM2 so there's an immediate improvement for nothing. Who knows if it's enough though?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on July 17, 2015, 06:35:57 PM

We had started to look something approximating a team with Delph, Cleverley and Benteke firing towards the end of the season.

Over the past three years, Vlaar was one of our more consistent players too.

Vlaar had his injury problems, and Cleverley was never really ours in the true sense of the word.  But that's four big players we'll need to replace just to stand still.

Even with money (and none of us know how much of that income Lerner will free up)  we have a manager who has never actually bought his own players before.

Worried is underplaying it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 17, 2015, 06:54:02 PM

We need to sign some players now, no messing about otherwise the doom and gloom will continue to engulf the club.

If we are in for Amavi, Praet and Darder, get them signed A.S.A.P.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 17, 2015, 06:55:04 PM

Might put a bit of life in the old club getting rid of these snake bastards

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard E on July 17, 2015, 06:56:37 PM

Quote from: Villatillidie25 on July 17, 2015, 06:09:58 PM

15% of Benteke goes to Gene. So that's a total of £35m in the pot, which everyone else knows we have. Add that to the fact of our desperate need for signings, limited time and the fact that we are less appealing without Benteke and Delph I can't see us being able to get the quantity or quality through the door.
We would have to get one or two in otherwise I think there would be a serious fan  backlash but would it be enough? I personally think we would struggle.
The saving grace is that I don't think the current squad would be as bad under TS as they were under TSM2 so there's an immediate improvement for nothing. Who knows if it's enough though?

Why are we paying Martin Rossiter's Smiths tribute act 15% of the Benteke money?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on July 17, 2015, 07:00:14 PM

Is it too late for us to hijack the Tjaronn Chery deal or has he completed his move to QPR?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 17, 2015, 07:01:15 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 17, 2015, 05:56:42 PM

Quote from: gervilla on July 17, 2015, 05:53:41 PM

Now would be a very good time for the club to announce a new signing or two.

I think they'll rush to announce the Amavi signing now.

But SH Amavi seems very reluctant to cross the channel to take his medical Even more reluctant after today's shocking news I should think!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 17, 2015, 07:08:10 PM

Surely nipping in for Chery for 2.25m would be a good idea now.

Darder hopefully has some truth in it too, he looks an excellent midfield player. And Praet too.

I still think we can come out of all this better off than we were at the end of last season, but we need to start buying fast as the games at the start of the season are ones we need to get points in.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on July 17, 2015, 07:09:06 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on July 17, 2015, 08:15:42 AM

Adebayor strikes me as being something of a loose cannon, no from me.

Would fit in nicely with the motley crew in our dressing room though, part time footballers who were last decent five years ago.

Also starring Senderos, Richardson, Cissokho, Cole, Hutton, Nzogbia, Richards, Sinclair and Gabs

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on July 17, 2015, 07:15:37 PM

I like these links with talented young European players, but particularly with Delph going there now has to be a concern over the lack of Premier League quality and experience through the spine of the team if we these are the players we are bringing in. We could easily be fighting at the wrong end of the table within a couple of months if they don't hit the ground running...we really need a couple of quality experienced PL players brought in.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on July 17, 2015, 07:16:19 PM

We were linked with another Genk Striker. Is he still available maybe we can get 2 millions off asking price as they got 5 millions from Benteke if he went.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 17, 2015, 07:19:13 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 17, 2015, 05:33:02 PM

I am starting - just starting - to worry about the fact we have so much to do in the window, and that was assuming Delph and Benteke staying.

Whatever happens, we have got to buy some really good players this window. Not get linked with them, actually buy them.

Me too. With these two gone, I wonder how our overall squad value compares to the other clubs.
Our team is looking championship weak. Hopefully Sherwood will move swiftly, I have faith in him anyway.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 17, 2015, 07:23:00 PM

Guzan - Mid table

Richards - Mid table
Clark - Mid Table
Okore - Lower end of table largely due to youth

Amavi - Unknown but highly rated
Bacuna - Bottom 6

Guere - Unknown but again highly rated
Westwood - Bottom 6
Grealish - Bottom 6 due to inexperience and inconsistency

Gabby - relegation fodder
Kozak - Bottom half and just back from serious injury


You would say on the face of it, if we play 3-5-2 then we are in a fair bit of trouble as I don't see many top half players to pull the standard up. Of course, 5-6 signings into that and it could look a very solid squad.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: adrenachrome on July 17, 2015, 07:23:54 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on July 17, 2015, 07:09:06 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on July 17, 2015, 08:15:42 AM

Adebayor strikes me as being something of a loose cannon, no from me.

Would fit in nicely with the motley crew in our dressing room though, part time footballers who were last decent five years ago.

Also starring Senderos, Richardson, Cissokho, Cole, Hutton, Nzogbia, Richards, Sinclair and Gabs

That crew is well mottled, for sure. We must pray that TS can work miracles in what remains of the window with the available funds.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 17, 2015, 07:53:26 PM

In the currently being played friendly, we've played a different side each half. This is our side for the current (second) half:

Bunn, Mason, Donacien, Baker, Richardson, Calder, Cole, N'Zogbia, Tonev, Robinson, Kozak.

I know we're not about to start playing that line up in the league, but it gives you an idea of the overall weakness of the squad.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aev on July 17, 2015, 08:02:33 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 17, 2015, 07:53:26 PM

In the currently being played friendly, we've played a different side each half. This is our side for the current (second) half:

Bunn, Mason, Donacien, Baker, Richardson, Calder, Cole, N'Zogbia, Tonev, Robinson, Kozak.

I know we're not about to start playing that line up in the league, but it gives you an idea of the overall weakness of the squad.

How did Delph play in the first half?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 17, 2015, 08:04:16 PM

Quote from: aev on July 17, 2015, 08:02:33 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 17, 2015, 07:53:26 PM

In the currently being played friendly, we've played a different side each half. This is our side for the current (second) half:

Bunn, Mason, Donacien, Baker, Richardson, Calder, Cole, N'Zogbia, Tonev, Robinson, Kozak.

I know we're not about to start playing that line up in the league, but it gives you an idea of the overall weakness of the squad.

How did Delph play in the first half?

He played an absolute blinder.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on July 17, 2015, 08:10:13 PM

I want some players signed, asap, some billy big bollocks money thrown around, like the loadsa money guy from Harry Enfield. I just wanna see some players coming in and not pissing off so I can feel a bit better about Villa right now.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt C on July 17, 2015, 08:11:35 PM

You're hard pressed to say any of that second half side are PL standard.

Baker maybe and Ive never seen the keeper in fairness.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on July 17, 2015, 08:13:01 PM

And if we sign Adebayor allow me to be the first to not give him a chance and hate on him, even if he does well for a season he's exactly the type of shit stain to want out immediately, or go mental, or go on strike or do something equally as stupid at the drop of a hat and I don't want that type of guy at this club.

He's the kind of signing the Blues would make back when they were in the top flight, nasty fucker that everyone hates with more baggage that an Airliner but free.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LTA on July 17, 2015, 08:16:06 PM

Quote from: Clampy on July 17, 2015, 05:07:26 PM

Quote from: LTA on July 17, 2015, 05:00:59 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 17, 2015, 04:48:56 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 17, 2015, 04:44:44 PM

So let me see. We are about to lose Benteke and now it appears Delph. Our much needed left back still hasnt arrived in Birmingham for his medical and our manager wants to bring in an ageing unpopular player who has more personal baggage than Antler.

It actually cannot get worse. Or can it?

That appears to be the long and short of it.

Bearing in mind Sherwood talked about a complete rebuild in May, to only have 3 new players and lose our better ones by the middle of July is pitiful.

Lerner and Fox have shown their ineptitude yet again.  Sooner these 2 planks go the better.

Quote from: LTA on July 17, 2015, 05:00:59 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 17, 2015, 04:48:56 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 17, 2015, 04:44:44 PM

So let me see. We are about to lose Benteke and now it appears Delph. Our much needed left back still hasnt arrived in Birmingham for his medical and our manager wants to bring in an ageing unpopular player who has more personal baggage than Antler.

It actually cannot get worse. Or can it?

That appears to be the long and short of it.

Bearing in mind Sherwood talked about a complete rebuild in May, to only have 3 new players and lose our better ones by the middle of July is pitiful.

Lerner and Fox have shown their ineptitude yet again.  Sooner these 2 planks go the better.

What exactly have the club done wrong on the delph case?

I would say agreeing to a stupidly low release clause for a start.  Then there was the whole charade of his big video message and press conference in January, knowing fill well that his low clause was in the contract then.

I feel for Sherwood.  This all appears to have been done behind his back.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on July 17, 2015, 08:17:52 PM

Well the release clause was definitely done behind his back...he wasn't at the club in January.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 17, 2015, 08:17:54 PM

Quote from: aev on July 17, 2015, 08:02:33 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 17, 2015, 07:53:26 PM

In the currently being played friendly, we've played a different side each half. This is our side for the current (second) half:

Bunn, Mason, Donacien, Baker, Richardson, Calder, Cole, N'Zogbia, Tonev, Robinson, Kozak.

I know we're not about to start playing that line up in the league, but it gives you an idea of the overall weakness of the squad.

How did Delph play in the first half?

Like a traitor. Came out in a red Braga top having kissed our badge on his way in at HT.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Quiet Lion on July 17, 2015, 08:18:05 PM

At the end of last season I was so fed up I wanted to see a completely new team this time around.  So ingrained was the stench of defeat and misery on that group of players, that I desperately wanted 6 or 7 new players.

With Vlaar, Benteke, Andi, Bent, Delph, Given, Lowton and Sylla gone and hopefully more to leave, we might just be able to rid ourselves of the ghosts of the last few seasons.

Admittedly Delph and Benteke were on the keep list, but at least we are being linked with the right sort of players this window.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LTA on July 17, 2015, 08:21:56 PM

Quote from: dave shelley on July 17, 2015, 08:17:52 PM

Well the release clause was definitely done behind his back...he wasn't at the club in January.

I meant what's happened in the last 24 hours.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on July 17, 2015, 08:24:50 PM

Fair enough.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: N'Zimidy on July 17, 2015, 08:26:20 PM

Praet, Darder, Destro, Embolo, Ljajic and Amavi

The market which include the above names is where we should be shopping. Not Spurs reserve bin. With £40m let's go on a spree.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: andyh on July 17, 2015, 08:31:08 PM

Quote from: N'Zimidy on July 17, 2015, 08:26:20 PM

Praet, Darder, Destro, Embolo, Ljajic and Amavi

The market which include the above names is where we should be shopping. Not Spurs reserve bin. With £40m let's go on a spree.

Exactly right. Thanks for posting the list, it's been difficult to keep up.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 17, 2015, 08:31:56 PM

Quote from: LTA on July 17, 2015, 08:21:56 PM

Quote from: dave shelley on July 17, 2015, 08:17:52 PM

Well the release clause was definitely done behind his back...he wasn't at the club in January.

I meant what's happened in the last 24 hours.

What exactly do you think the club have kept from him and what should they have done differently?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 17, 2015, 08:45:45 PM

Quote from: dave shelley on July 17, 2015, 08:17:52 PM

Well the release clause was definitely done behind his back...he wasn't at the club in January.

Details, details.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: FatSam on July 17, 2015, 08:45:56 PM

It seems to me that a PL club needs a squad with cover in every position, so 22 players. Outside of this they probably need another team of players who are either injured or out on loan at any one time. I might have got some of this wrong, but categorized as 1st team - reserve - loan/ injured,  I think that early last season we looked roughly like this:

GK: Guzan - Given - Steer
LB: Cissokho - Bennett - Luna - Stevens
RB: Hutton - Bacuna - Lowton
CB: Vlaar - Baker - Donacien
CB: Clark - Senderos - Okore
CM: Westwood - Sanchez - Sylla
CM: Delph - Gardner - Herd
AM: Cleverley - Richardson - Tonev
AM: N'Zogbia - Cole - Helenius
FW: Benteke - Weimann - Kozak
FW: Agbonlahor - Grealish - Bent

This is skewed because we had historical problems with left backs (hence why we had two out on loan), and we had obviously problems with a lack of creativity in the first half of the season. In the January transfer window this was rectified to a certain extent with the introduction of Gil and Sinclair. Senderos was probably only brought in to cover for Okore's injury. Since then the players whose names are struck through above have either left for various reasons, or are thought to be leaving imminently. With the new signings, changes in who is first choice, and assuming some of the U-21s will make the step up, we are currently looking like this:

GK: Guzan - Bunn - Steer
LB: Cissokho - Bennett - ?
RB: Bacuna - Hutton - ?
CB: Richards - Baker - Donacien
CB: Clark - Okore - Senderos
CM: Westwood - Sanchez - Calder
CM: Gueye - Gardner - Kinsella
AM: Gil - N'Zogbia - Richardson
AM: Grealish - Cole - Tonev
FW: Kozak - Green - Hepburn-Murphy
FW: Sinclair - Agbonlahor - Robinson

I think I'm losing my mind!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on July 17, 2015, 09:07:28 PM

That squad will get relegated hard and fast. 6 quality players needed.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on July 17, 2015, 09:13:47 PM

Might take pelters for this, but with our gaps in midfield, I wouldn't might seeing us try to bring Barry back.

Everton seem well covered in that position now (unless they sell McCarthy), and with the volume of players we have let go this summer, wages shouldn't be an issue.

He's not one for the future, but if Gueye now provides the legs, Barry can still provide the composure.  Essentially, doing Westwood's job, but better.

He also knows the club and could hit the ground running (or strolling, in his case). Unlike some of the other players we have been linked with, who could take a while to adapt to a new league.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on July 17, 2015, 09:15:08 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on July 17, 2015, 09:07:28 PM

That squad will get relegated hard and fast. 6 quality players needed.

That squad is woeful - still we can`t compete with the likes of Palace, Swansea, Soton.Bournemoth and Watford.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: letsshakehands on July 17, 2015, 09:15:39 PM

Assuming Benteke also leaves, we'll need someone who can take a penalty...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on July 17, 2015, 09:15:49 PM

Didn't the Everton fans last year say Barry was finished?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 17, 2015, 09:50:50 PM

Trying to be positive. We have gained a new signing in Carlos Gil. Was the best player on the park into days friendly ......

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 17, 2015, 09:53:19 PM

Keeping Gill is the one bright spot of the summer. He has the potential to be out next 20m sale

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 17, 2015, 09:54:06 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 17, 2015, 09:50:50 PM

Trying to be positive. We have gained a new signing in Carlos Gil. Was the best player on the park into days friendly ......

Carles

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 17, 2015, 09:54:44 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 17, 2015, 09:53:19 PM

Keeping Gill is the one bright spot of the summer. He has the potential to be out next 20m sale

I hope he is.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Doorbell on July 17, 2015, 10:08:28 PM

Seems we're now being linked with a move for As Monaco striker Anthony Martial as a replacement for Benteke..

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villan from luton on July 17, 2015, 10:09:46 PM

Saw that link earlier, apparently like Tierry Henry lol

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on July 17, 2015, 10:09:50 PM

It's like a feckin chain with all the links.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on July 17, 2015, 10:11:20 PM

Quote from: Doorbell on July 17, 2015, 10:08:28 PM

Seems we're now being linked with a move for As Monaco striker Anthony Martial as a replacement for Benteke..

Gotta say signing a 19 yr old to replace Benteke would be a huge gamble.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 17, 2015, 10:12:10 PM

He looks a player. Him and Adebayor would give us a threat at least.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 17, 2015, 10:13:03 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on July 17, 2015, 10:11:20 PM

Quote from: Doorbell on July 17, 2015, 10:08:28 PM

Seems we're now being linked with a move for As Monaco striker Anthony Martial as a replacement for Benteke..

Gotta say signing a 19 yr old to replace Benteke would be a huge gamble.

If true we're looking at him, then surely it would just be that we're looking at him. Surely a large chunk of the Benteke money would go on his direct replacement

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on July 17, 2015, 10:14:11 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on July 17, 2015, 10:11:20 PM

Quote from: Doorbell on July 17, 2015, 10:08:28 PM

Seems we're now being linked with a move for As Monaco striker Anthony Martial as a replacement for Benteke..

Gotta say signing a 19 yr old to replace Benteke would be a huge gamble.

I don't know anything about this lad but, Benteke wasn't that much older when he arrived was he?  He turned out ok,apart from wanting to catch the first bus out.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on July 17, 2015, 10:14:47 PM

Quote from: taylorsworkrate on July 17, 2015, 10:13:03 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on July 17, 2015, 10:11:20 PM

Quote from: Doorbell on July 17, 2015, 10:08:28 PM

Seems we're now being linked with a move for As Monaco striker Anthony Martial as a replacement for Benteke..

Gotta say signing a 19 yr old to replace Benteke would be a huge gamble.

If true we're looking at him, then surely it would just be that we're looking at him. Surely a large chunk of the Benteke money would go on his direct replacement

I'd hope so, we currently have Gabby and Kozak. We need 2 more strikers. Adebayor and this French kid...... too risky for me, could be a bit of genius business, more likely to be a disaster. If we fuck this summer up we will go down next year.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on July 17, 2015, 10:15:48 PM

Adebayor only played 10 games last season and scored 2 goals.  It would be a huge gamble and one I would only take on a loan deal.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on July 17, 2015, 10:16:23 PM

Quote from: dave shelley on July 17, 2015, 10:14:11 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on July 17, 2015, 10:11:20 PM

Quote from: Doorbell on July 17, 2015, 10:08:28 PM

Seems we're now being linked with a move for As Monaco striker Anthony Martial as a replacement for Benteke..

Gotta say signing a 19 yr old to replace Benteke would be a huge gamble.

I don't know anything about this lad but, Benteke wasn't that much older when he arrived was he?  He turned out ok,apart from wanting to catch the first bus out.

Yeah , he was 19/20 just how many times can you pull off signing unproven, young, foreign strikers? Get it wrong and you've got Gabby, Kozak and a Midfield that never scores to back it up.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Doorbell on July 17, 2015, 10:17:59 PM

He got 1in4 in all comps last season, an improvement on his previous year with Monaco, scary bit, if the papers are to be believed, is that he would cost itro 25millEuros...

EDIT: Having read more, I'm unsure if the article I read was confused with Monaco wanting £20mill from Spurs for their Belgian winger..

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 17, 2015, 10:22:12 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on July 17, 2015, 10:14:47 PM

Quote from: taylorsworkrate on July 17, 2015, 10:13:03 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on July 17, 2015, 10:11:20 PM

Quote from: Doorbell on July 17, 2015, 10:08:28 PM

Seems we're now being linked with a move for As Monaco striker Anthony Martial as a replacement for Benteke..

Gotta say signing a 19 yr old to replace Benteke would be a huge gamble.

If true we're looking at him, then surely it would just be that we're looking at him. Surely a large chunk of the Benteke money would go on his direct replacement

I'd hope so, we currently have Gabby and Kozak. We need 2 more strikers. Adebayor and this French kid...... too risky for me, could be a bit of genius business, more likely to be a disaster. If we fuck this summer up we will go down next year.

The first sentence of your post is pretty scary.

Gabby has become a bit of a joke over the last few years. He generally puts in around 4 or 5 decent performances a season and the rest are garbage.

Kozak did well(ish) in his handful of games, but has had terrible injury problems and may not be able to replicate even that decent level of performance.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 17, 2015, 10:27:19 PM

Start signing people, stop pissing about. Terrible squad, needs massive work. Get on with it!!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on July 17, 2015, 10:32:06 PM

But please don't sign Townsend or Adebayor! Imagine Gabby partnering Adebayor, I can't imagine a lazier forward line and would expect them fighting over who gets to stand where for 90 minutes.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SamTheMouse on July 17, 2015, 10:39:41 PM

Martial has massive potential. I really like him. But I can't see it happening.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ger Regan on July 17, 2015, 10:42:33 PM

Are monaco not owned by a very wealthy middle eastern crowd? Seems unlikely to me too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Doorbell on July 17, 2015, 10:44:55 PM

Quote from: Ger Regan on July 17, 2015, 10:42:33 PM

Are monaco not owned by a very wealthy middle eastern crowd? Seems unlikely to me too.

Russian oligarch I think..

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 17, 2015, 10:50:10 PM

From what I can see, we are going to need 4 good signings and hope Gardner and Gil step up if we are to stay clear of trouble this season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 17, 2015, 11:05:45 PM

The Monaco coach specifically asked the people in charge not to sell Martial, so I don't see that one happening. He'd cost 25m+ too!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Le Lapin on July 17, 2015, 11:06:56 PM

After loosing Benteke and Delph we can't go pricking around with the likes of Adebayor.  He's too much of a gamble for us. We have lost the spine of a squad that narrowly missed relegation.  And they were our so called best players.  We need quality, not a flake that could throw his toys out of the pram at the first sign of things not going his way. I fear for us this season.  Like him or not,  Cleverley was another player that contributed to us staying up. We are left with the likes of Gabby now to be our rock. That hasnt worked out too well in the past. Pinning our hopes on him, I don't rate him at all as a player or as a leader on the pitch.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 17, 2015, 11:14:34 PM

Well Amavi now looks very likely, and Dardar is being reported to be close according to those who can read the Spanish press.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 17, 2015, 11:19:01 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 17, 2015, 11:14:34 PM

Well Amavi now looks very likely, and Dardar is being reported to be close according to those who can read the Spanish press.

Those two would be a good start and would lift the mood immediately. We need to move quickly now and get some optimism about the place. As Secret Affair say, this is the time for action!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 17, 2015, 11:19:57 PM

Those two would represent a significant increase in the quality of our first XI.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 17, 2015, 11:21:37 PM

The standard of links seems the highest this year that I can remember (with exceptions).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 17, 2015, 11:22:33 PM

We've never had links so good since Doug's list

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 17, 2015, 11:25:46 PM

Assuming Benteke goes we really need 3-4 quality players on top of Gueye, Richards and Amavi.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ger Regan on July 17, 2015, 11:30:52 PM

That's doable, imo.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 17, 2015, 11:34:50 PM

I hope so.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Doorbell on July 17, 2015, 11:49:29 PM

It'd be nice starting the season with a team that's not so reliant on one player...if this happens as a result of Benteke leaving and the money being reinvested on some of the player's we're linked with, I think we'll be OK.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 17, 2015, 11:58:26 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 17, 2015, 11:25:46 PM

Assuming Benteke goes we really need 3-4 quality players on top of Gueye, Richards and Amavi.

We need another attacking box to box midfielder, a holding player that is a step up from Westwood and Sanchez, and 2 forwards as a minimum for me. A right back and a centre half if we can shift out a couple in those areas too.

If we could end up with, and it is complete shot in the dark.. Darder, Praet, Austin, Chery with Potential, Milosevic from Besiktas and say Byram from Leeds, that would cost about 40-45 million, which is what just came in the other way, and would leave us much better off in my opinion.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 18, 2015, 12:01:57 AM

Quote from: aj2k77 on July 17, 2015, 10:32:06 PM

But please don't sign Townsend or Adebayor! Imagine Gabby partnering Adebayor, I can't imagine a lazier forward line and would expect them fighting over who gets to stand where for 90 minutes.

I know what you mean

I was thinking , Adebayor . ok , If TS gets the best out of him , maybe Ill give him a chance and then I thought ..Gabby and Adebayor and thought ..oh dear

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 18, 2015, 12:08:15 AM

For a big hold up man Glenn Murray would do for now ahead of Drogba , Lambert and adabayeour.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 18, 2015, 12:19:30 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on July 18, 2015, 12:08:15 AM

For a big hold up man Glenn Murray would do for now ahead of Drogba , Lambert and adabayeour.

haha fucking hell. Yes lets get 31 year old Glenn fucking Murray to lift the spirits. A journeyman striker who was shipped out on loan from Palace to Reading last season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Doorbell on July 18, 2015, 12:22:24 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on July 18, 2015, 12:08:15 AM

For a big hold up man Glenn Murray would do for now ahead of Drogba , Lambert and adabayeour.

I'm amazed you've not suggested us signing Akinfenwa yet.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 18, 2015, 12:36:38 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on July 18, 2015, 12:08:15 AM

For a big hold up man Glenn Murray would do for now ahead of Drogba , Lambert and adabayeour.

The only reason I'd consider getting Glenn Murray in would be if i needed a bit of plumbing work done, or a parcel delivering, maybe.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 18, 2015, 12:37:12 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 17, 2015, 11:25:46 PM

Assuming Benteke goes we really need 3-4 quality players on top of Gueye, Richards and Amavi.

Yes. At least.

Who trusts them to make it happen?

*puts hands down*

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 18, 2015, 12:41:24 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 18, 2015, 12:37:12 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 17, 2015, 11:25:46 PM

Assuming Benteke goes we really need 3-4 quality players on top of Gueye, Richards and Amavi.

Yes. At least.

Who trusts them to make it happen?

*puts hands down*

I didn't expect us to spend close to 20m on a midfielder and defender so it's not inconceivable to think that with another 35m plus in the bank we might actually have a decent transfer window.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 18, 2015, 12:46:05 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 18, 2015, 12:41:24 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 18, 2015, 12:37:12 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 17, 2015, 11:25:46 PM

Assuming Benteke goes we really need 3-4 quality players on top of Gueye, Richards and Amavi.

Yes. At least.

Who trusts them to make it happen?

*puts hands down*

I didn't expect us to spend close to 20m on a midfielder and defender so it's not inconceivable to think that with another 35m plus in the bank we might actually have a decent transfer window.

I wasn't aware we actually had spent close to 20m on a midfielder and a defender, to be honest.

We've also recouped about 12m, too, FWIW, so as things stand, we're in credit.

Colour me sceptical on the thought of them spending anywhere near that 35m, too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 18, 2015, 12:58:40 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 18, 2015, 12:46:05 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 18, 2015, 12:41:24 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 18, 2015, 12:37:12 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 17, 2015, 11:25:46 PM

Assuming Benteke goes we really need 3-4 quality players on top of Gueye, Richards and Amavi.

Yes. At least.

Who trusts them to make it happen?

*puts hands down*

I didn't expect us to spend close to 20m on a midfielder and defender so it's not inconceivable to think that with another 35m plus in the bank we might actually have a decent transfer window.

I wasn't aware we actually had spent close to 20m on a midfielder and a defender, to be honest.

We've also recouped about 12m, too, FWIW, so as things stand, we're in credit.

Colour me sceptical on the thought of them spending anywhere near that 35m, too.

well Gueye cost 9m and Amavi once confirmed will another 10m. I have no idea how much is out there to spend but the early indications are it will be more than the 19m that's already been spent irrespective of how that money was raised. Not saying our net will be 35m but the gross could be.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ger Regan on July 18, 2015, 01:01:56 AM

The gross would fucking want to be!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 18, 2015, 03:06:33 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 17, 2015, 11:25:46 PM

Assuming Benteke goes we really need 3-4 quality players on top of Gueye, Richards and Amavi.

Considering the scenarios above happen, I could see the possible spine of:


                   Guzan

Richards     ?        Clark     Amavi

             Sanchez    Gueye

       ?            Grealish         Sinclair

                           ? 

Questions marks would be positions that need quality bringing in (though Okore or Senderos might fill the CB position), but the squad would still be woefully short on quality.  We would definitely need further additions in midfield and the attacking positions.  All in all, pretty major surgery required with only a few weeks before the first game.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on July 18, 2015, 08:21:20 AM

Isn't Glenn Murray the hapless spin doctor in The Thick of It?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: The Man With A Stick on July 18, 2015, 08:29:57 AM

Whoever we sign, let's make sure there are no more fucking buy-out clauses in their contracts thank you very much.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 18, 2015, 08:49:08 AM

If we get amavi in I'll be very impressed with our buying so far

It's the selling that's the problem!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 18, 2015, 09:26:30 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 18, 2015, 12:19:30 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on July 18, 2015, 12:08:15 AM

For a big hold up man Glenn Murray would do for now ahead of Drogba , Lambert and adabayeour.

haha fucking hell. Yes lets get 31 year old Glenn fucking Murray to lift the spirits. A journeyman striker who was shipped out on loan from Palace to Reading last season.

Not that I would recommend it for a second but Palace fans were aghast at Murray going out on loan (Warnock manager?). As much as anything Palace fans put their improved form down to Murray returning to them in january ( I think it was January)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 18, 2015, 10:25:05 AM

I dont mind them, as long as the value is in our favour. The benteke one for example.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: johnny from donny on July 18, 2015, 10:45:12 AM

Quote from: tomd2103 on July 18, 2015, 03:06:33 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 17, 2015, 11:25:46 PM

Assuming Benteke goes we really need 3-4 quality players on top of Gueye, Richards and Amavi.

Considering the scenarios above happen, I could see the possible spine of:


                   Guzan

Richards     ?        Clark     Amavi

             Sanchez    Gueye

       ?            Grealish         Sinclair

                           ? 

Questions marks would be positions that need quality bringing in (though Okore or Senderos might fill the CB position), but the squad would still be woefully short on quality.  We would definitely need further additions in midfield and the attacking positions.  All in all, pretty major surgery required with only a few weeks before the first game.

Richards will be at centre back, so it's right back we need to fill (assuming Bacuna or Hutton don't get the nod)  I wouldn't mind Kyle Walker back. I guess you don't fancy Gil for one of the advanced midfield role. I think those three switching around could give us some creativity. Kozak deserves a shot up front, I reckon one or two of our younger players could have a breakthrough season, if they aren't blocked by buying cheap imports from abroad who are no better.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: oldham_villa on July 18, 2015, 11:03:32 AM

If we are this down during pre season, I dread to think what we will be like during the season.

Hoping and praying for some quality additions, and fast!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 18, 2015, 11:32:16 AM

Once Amavi comes in I'd be amazed if we sign anymore defenders. We have plenty of numbers at the back although yes I accept a few of them aren't very good.

Still given the glaring holes in our central midfield and striking departments I'd suggest those positions get more urgent priority than defence in the next few weeks.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 18, 2015, 11:34:30 AM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 18, 2015, 11:32:16 AM

Once Amavi comes in I'd be amazed if we sign anymore defenders. We have plenty of numbers at the back although yes I accept a few of them aren't very good.

Still given the glaring holes in our central midfield and striking departments I'd suggest those positions get more urgent priority than defence in the next few weeks.

I think he'll still want to bring in another centre half at some point, but yes midfield is a priority now.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 18, 2015, 11:36:52 AM

Quote from: Clampy on July 18, 2015, 11:34:30 AM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 18, 2015, 11:32:16 AM

Once Amavi comes in I'd be amazed if we sign anymore defenders. We have plenty of numbers at the back although yes I accept a few of them aren't very good.

Still given the glaring holes in our central midfield and striking departments I'd suggest those positions get more urgent priority than defence in the next few weeks.

I think he'll still want to bring in another centre half at some point, but yes midfield is a priority now.

It's worth remembering we play 4 league games before the window closes so yes if our back 4/5 looks a car crash still time for some last minute panic buying.

I'd like to think this fascination with Richards as CB won't last long. For Bournemouth I'd stick him right back and go with Okore-Clark centrally. They did best of all our many combinations there last season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Hillbilly on July 18, 2015, 11:37:26 AM

Read we are linked with Destro of Roma. Watching him right now against Madrid. He has all the mobility and football intelligence of a sofa.

Also Ljajic. Didn't realise he was on the pitch until he got fouled.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Summers on July 18, 2015, 11:37:30 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 17, 2015, 11:14:34 PM

Well Amavi now looks very likely, and Dardar is being reported to be close according to those who can read the Spanish press.

Any quotes/links regarding these?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 18, 2015, 11:38:02 AM

Who is our chief scout nowadays ?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 18, 2015, 11:40:17 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 18, 2015, 11:38:02 AM

Who is our chief scout nowadays ?

Paddy Reilly. I'm sure you've seen his name mentioned here on occasions....

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 18, 2015, 11:42:03 AM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 18, 2015, 11:40:17 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 18, 2015, 11:38:02 AM

Who is our chief scout nowadays ?

Paddy Reilly. I'm sure you've seen his name mentioned here on occasions....

Yes aplenty I didn't realise he was chief scout though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 18, 2015, 11:54:19 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 18, 2015, 11:42:03 AM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 18, 2015, 11:40:17 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 18, 2015, 11:38:02 AM

Who is our chief scout nowadays ?

Paddy Reilly. I'm sure you've seen his name mentioned here on occasions....

Yes aplenty I didn't realise he was chief scout though.

Well he's head of our scouting department if that helps. I could go and waste a day trying to find names of our 20 worldwide scouts or however many we employ but can't quite see the point.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 18, 2015, 11:59:48 AM

Whoever they are they need to earn their crust these next few weeks .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 18, 2015, 12:05:52 PM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 18, 2015, 11:36:52 AM

Quote from: Clampy on July 18, 2015, 11:34:30 AM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 18, 2015, 11:32:16 AM

Once Amavi comes in I'd be amazed if we sign anymore defenders. We have plenty of numbers at the back although yes I accept a few of them aren't very good.

Still given the glaring holes in our central midfield and striking departments I'd suggest those positions get more urgent priority than defence in the next few weeks.

I think he'll still want to bring in another centre half at some point, but yes midfield is a priority now.

It's worth remembering we play 4 league games before the window closes so yes if our back 4/5 looks a car crash still time for some last minute panic buying.

I'd like to think this fascination with Richards as CB won't last long. For Bournemouth I'd stick him right back and go with Okore-Clark centrally. They did best of all our many combinations there last season.

I think I would as well. Bacuna losing out would be harsh though because he put in some really good crosses into the box last season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 18, 2015, 12:09:11 PM

Quote from: johnny from donny on July 18, 2015, 10:45:12 AM

Quote from: tomd2103 on July 18, 2015, 03:06:33 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 17, 2015, 11:25:46 PM

Assuming Benteke goes we really need 3-4 quality players on top of Gueye, Richards and Amavi.

Considering the scenarios above happen, I could see the possible spine of:


                   Guzan

Richards     ?        Clark     Amavi

             Sanchez    Gueye

       ?            Grealish         Sinclair

                           ? 

Questions marks would be positions that need quality bringing in (though Okore or Senderos might fill the CB position), but the squad would still be woefully short on quality.  We would definitely need further additions in midfield and the attacking positions.  All in all, pretty major surgery required with only a few weeks before the first game.

Richards will be at centre back, so it's right back we need to fill (assuming Bacuna or Hutton don't get the nod)  I wouldn't mind Kyle Walker back. I guess you don't fancy Gil for one of the advanced midfield role. I think those three switching around could give us some creativity. Kozak deserves a shot up front, I reckon one or two of our younger players could have a breakthrough season, if they aren't blocked by buying cheap imports from abroad who are no better.

I'd like to see Gil compete for the 'number 10' role with Grealish, as I think that is where he would be most effective.  I don't think either would offer enough in a wider position. 

As for Richards at CB, we'll have to see how that one goes. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on July 18, 2015, 12:11:48 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 18, 2015, 11:38:02 AM

Who is our chief scout nowadays ?

footyskillz.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OzVilla on July 18, 2015, 12:28:27 PM

Quote from: olaftab on July 18, 2015, 12:11:48 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 18, 2015, 11:38:02 AM

Who is our chief scout nowadays ?

footyskillz.

No I think that was when MON was in charge.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on July 18, 2015, 12:32:23 PM

That first eleven posted would look pretty good with two standout players up front. Make it happen Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 18, 2015, 12:37:41 PM

Looking at the team above and assuming Richards is to be CB, I'd be inclined to play Hutton at right back and have bacuna as reserve. I think we need some 'old pro' experience in there (and to offer Clark an effing contract!).

Gil and Grealish to compete for one spot. They both jack experience so we will need to rest/rotate them.

Transfer wise I'd love us to raid Man City (they owe us) and take both Dzecho (sp?) and Jovetic off them. I think Man city would be up for it, but convincing the players would be more difficult.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Jimsta on July 18, 2015, 12:57:37 PM

Amavi is getting closer to signing, From Nice website,
http://www.ogcnice.com/fr/actualite/24256/accord-pour-le-transfert-damavi

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on July 18, 2015, 01:01:36 PM

Kozak and Remy up front might be a decent shout. And great things are expected of Andre Green and Robinson.
I'd seriously look at playing 3 centre backs, with Bacuna and Amavi as wing backs. The big question would then be who makes up the three MF, and the squad depth.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Karl Bridges on July 18, 2015, 01:50:56 PM

Green is still very young, 17 I think.

I've been impressed with Ricardo Calder in the training games, looks to have filled out quite a bit in the last 12 months and looked like an established first teamer which surprised me because when I've seen him for the U21s he hasn't looked quite that impressive. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 18, 2015, 02:21:06 PM

That Calder lad looks like he could be a player. He certainly puts himself about.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 18, 2015, 03:42:31 PM

Rumours we have bid £10m for Embolo from Basle

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Karl Bridges on July 18, 2015, 03:54:06 PM

Just read that Basel turned down a €20m bid from Juventus for Embolo. We may need to up the ante.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 18, 2015, 04:11:39 PM

probably rule us out as a dutch auction would be ruinous - we need too many signings to max out on him but would be brilliant if we could

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: jwarry on July 18, 2015, 04:35:18 PM

Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 18, 2015, 03:42:31 PM

Rumours we have bid £10m for Embolo from Basle

.   Gamble for an 18 yr old but he looks bloody good!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on July 18, 2015, 04:47:40 PM

Embolo is very good. Basle are a very good team and I think we should buy their first XI!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dicedlam on July 18, 2015, 04:51:14 PM

Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 18, 2015, 03:42:31 PM

Rumours we have bid £10m for Embolo from Basle

Seems like quite a few are looking to sign him. West Ham, Spurs and Albion are also interested.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: berneboy on July 18, 2015, 05:21:53 PM

Confirmed Amavi
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~4872382,00.html

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 18, 2015, 05:24:16 PM

great news now for some more next week to truly start the new villa dawn. Fuck he who shall not be named and the other one

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on July 18, 2015, 05:36:27 PM

Quote from: olaftab on July 18, 2015, 04:47:40 PM

Embolo is very good. Basle are a very good team and I think we should buy their first XI!

He would be fantastic, a lot of English clubs tracking him. Hope we can nick em.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Londonvilla on July 18, 2015, 05:36:43 PM

http://www.first4lcfc.co.uk/blog/leicester-city-aston-villa-and-newcastle-united-chase-chelsea-midfielder/?

"Leicester City, Aston Villa and Newcastle United chase Chelsea midfielder

Leicester City, Aston Villa and Newcastle United are all interested in Chelsea midfielder Nathan Ake, according to the Daily Telegraph. Middlesbrough have previously been linked with the youngster.

Ake spent last season on loan at Reading and Middlesbrough had been hoping to take the 20-year old back to the Championship next term, however it is now unlikely with all the Premier League interested. Leicester City, Aston Villa and Newcastle United are all keen on taking the Chelsea midfielder on a season long loan.

The Holland youth international is said, by the Daily Telegraph, to be a replacement for Esteban Cambiasso. Despite rumours suggesting the midfielder is set to pen a new deal with the Foxes, the club are preparing for life without the former Real Madrid and Inter Milan man."

Only posted this because its also in the Telegraph

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/11748672/Claudio-Ranieri-going-back-to-Chelsea-for-Nathan-Ake.html

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Joshua Fineman on July 18, 2015, 06:02:40 PM

Right, that's left back sorted.  Now just need another defender, another midfielder and two strikers.  3 weeks until kick-off.. Probably about £30m to spend.  Can't be too hard...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paulcomben on July 18, 2015, 06:15:17 PM

"Man City & Liverpool chase Villa's amazing left back find Amavi for £30 million." Summer transfer gossip 2018.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 18, 2015, 06:18:07 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 18, 2015, 06:15:17 PM

"Man City & Liverpool chase Villa's amazing left back find Amavi for £30 million." Summer transfer gossip 2018.

that's fine. It will mean he'll have done really well. We'll sell him for £35m and we'll bring in the next Amavi.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 18, 2015, 06:19:59 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 18, 2015, 06:15:17 PM

"Man City & Liverpool chase Villa's amazing left back find Amavi for £30 million." Summer transfer gossip 2018.

2016 more like.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 18, 2015, 06:25:22 PM

Quote from: villadelph on July 18, 2015, 05:36:27 PM

Quote from: olaftab on July 18, 2015, 04:47:40 PM

Embolo is very good. Basle are a very good team and I think we should buy their first XI!

He would be fantastic, a lot of English clubs tracking him. Hope we can nick em.

and even better his middle name is Donald!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: claretandbeer on July 18, 2015, 07:08:35 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 18, 2015, 06:15:17 PM

"Man City & Liverpool chase Villa's amazing left back find Amavi for £30 million." Summer transfer gossip 2018.

Is he really going to join clubs that finished below us in the league ?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt C on July 18, 2015, 07:33:06 PM

Forgot about Cambiasso - we were strongly linked to him a few weeks back weren't we? Has he signed for anyone?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on July 18, 2015, 07:33:10 PM

Quote from: Londonvilla on July 18, 2015, 05:36:43 PM

http://www.first4lcfc.co.uk/blog/leicester-city-aston-villa-and-newcastle-united-chase-chelsea-midfielder/?

"Leicester City, Aston Villa and Newcastle United chase Chelsea midfielder

Leicester City, Aston Villa and Newcastle United are all interested in Chelsea midfielder Nathan Ake, according to the Daily Telegraph. Middlesbrough have previously been linked with the youngster.

Ake spent last season on loan at Reading and Middlesbrough had been hoping to take the 20-year old back to the Championship next term, however it is now unlikely with all the Premier League interested. Leicester City, Aston Villa and Newcastle United are all keen on taking the Chelsea midfielder on a season long loan.

The Holland youth international is said, by the Daily Telegraph, to be a replacement for Esteban Cambiasso. Despite rumours suggesting the midfielder is set to pen a new deal with the Foxes, the club are preparing for life without the former Real Madrid and Inter Milan man."

Only posted this because its also in the Telegraph

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/11748672/Claudio-Ranieri-going-back-to-Chelsea-for-Nathan-Ake.html

No loans, pls.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 18, 2015, 08:29:24 PM

Quote from: Mister E on July 18, 2015, 07:33:10 PM

Quote from: Londonvilla on July 18, 2015, 05:36:43 PM

http://www.first4lcfc.co.uk/blog/leicester-city-aston-villa-and-newcastle-united-chase-chelsea-midfielder/?

"Leicester City, Aston Villa and Newcastle United chase Chelsea midfielder

Leicester City, Aston Villa and Newcastle United are all interested in Chelsea midfielder Nathan Ake, according to the Daily Telegraph. Middlesbrough have previously been linked with the youngster.

Ake spent last season on loan at Reading and Middlesbrough had been hoping to take the 20-year old back to the Championship next term, however it is now unlikely with all the Premier League interested. Leicester City, Aston Villa and Newcastle United are all keen on taking the Chelsea midfielder on a season long loan.

The Holland youth international is said, by the Daily Telegraph, to be a replacement for Esteban Cambiasso. Despite rumours suggesting the midfielder is set to pen a new deal with the Foxes, the club are preparing for life without the former Real Madrid and Inter Milan man."

Only posted this because its also in the Telegraph

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/11748672/Claudio-Ranieri-going-back-to-Chelsea-for-Nathan-Ake.html

No loans, pls.

I think we'll need a couple of loans, I can't see us buying enough to fill the squad

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: andyh on July 18, 2015, 08:38:39 PM

Right, I have watched a YouTube video of the kid Embolo we have been (very) loosely linked with.
I don't know if there is any truth in it, but after watching the video, I bloody well hope so.
He is going to to be very, very special.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 18, 2015, 08:39:28 PM

I agree.  Loans are vital as most other clubs are using them so we would be daft to handicap ourselves.
Furthermore they're  good way for us to build an affinity with good young players who would otherwise not entertain joining us.  Lukaku at Everton being an example and also that winger they just signed from Barcelona.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 18, 2015, 08:46:01 PM

Quote from: andyh on July 18, 2015, 08:38:39 PM

Right, I have watched a YouTube video of the kid Embolo we have been (very) loosely linked with.
I don't know if there is any truth in it, but after watching the video, I bloody well hope so.
He is going to to be very, very special.

That youtube montage makes him look awesome, with a good range of goals. 
If signed, I think we would have to accept that Gabby/Kozak would be the insurance policy as I doubt we could afford to sign two strikers.

Personally I'd be happy with that.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: andyh on July 18, 2015, 08:53:30 PM

I know the square root of bugger all about the players we have been linked with.
But, if we get Darder, Praet and Embolo I would be seriously looking forward to next season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 18, 2015, 09:12:29 PM

Darder looks a proper player to me but concerned that our press don't seem to be reporting us as interested. Praet looks quality too but I want both. I want us to actually have a really good midfield for once. We have had such piss poor midfields for so long that I would love us to have a young, talented unit that left the opposition on their knees.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 18, 2015, 10:25:43 PM

Embolo really does look the bollocks on youtube, I'd be happy with him as the only incoming striker this summer and seeing if Gabby and Kozak can step up, if not look to get someone else in in Jan and try to move one or both of them on.

Same in midfield I think, Sign Praet and then see if Sanchez, Gueye, Praet, Westwood, Gardner and Grealish can form a decent unit between them.  If not look for replacements and move on the weaker links.

I'd quite like a genuine right winger and another right back (I'd let Hutton go and keep Bacuna as competition with the new guy)

So 4 signings to compete for starts would be ok by me (and maybe a couple of 18-19 year olds to give us some quality in reserve ready for when the likes of Senderos, Nzogbia and Cole all leave next summer).  I think it's easy to go a bit crazy and start calling for 8-9 new starters but I don't think we can or should do that much business.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 18, 2015, 10:47:57 PM

Quote from: paul_e on July 18, 2015, 10:25:43 PM

Embolo really does look the bollocks on youtube, I'd be happy with him as the only incoming striker this summer and seeing if Gabby and Kozak can step up, if not look to get someone else in in Jan and try to move one or both of them on.

Same in midfield I think, Sign Praet and then see if Sanchez, Gueye, Praet, Westwood, Gardner and Grealish can form a decent unit between them.  If not look for replacements and move on the weaker links.

I'd quite like a genuine right winger and another right back (I'd let Hutton go and keep Bacuna as competition with the new guy)

So 4 signings to compete for starts would be ok by me (and maybe a couple of 18-19 year olds to give us some quality in reserve ready for when the likes of Senderos, Nzogbia and Cole all leave next summer). I think it's easy to go a bit crazy and start calling for 8-9 new starters but I don't think we can or should do that much business.

Regardless of whether we could do that amount of business, integrating more than 4 maybe 5 starters to create a well functioning / drilled team is problematic.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 18, 2015, 10:53:29 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 18, 2015, 10:47:57 PM

Quote from: paul_e on July 18, 2015, 10:25:43 PM

Embolo really does look the bollocks on youtube, I'd be happy with him as the only incoming striker this summer and seeing if Gabby and Kozak can step up, if not look to get someone else in in Jan and try to move one or both of them on.

Same in midfield I think, Sign Praet and then see if Sanchez, Gueye, Praet, Westwood, Gardner and Grealish can form a decent unit between them.  If not look for replacements and move on the weaker links.

I'd quite like a genuine right winger and another right back (I'd let Hutton go and keep Bacuna as competition with the new guy)

So 4 signings to compete for starts would be ok by me (and maybe a couple of 18-19 year olds to give us some quality in reserve ready for when the likes of Senderos, Nzogbia and Cole all leave next summer). I think it's easy to go a bit crazy and start calling for 8-9 new starters but I don't think we can or should do that much business.

Regardless of whether we could do that amount of business, integrating more than 4 maybe 5 starters to create a well functioning / drilled team is problematic.

Exactly, lets fill the immediate problem areas, which was replacing Vlaar, Cleverley, Delph and probably Benteke and getting upgrades on Nzogbia and Richardson we're halfway there on that which is ok by me.  I'd like another right back but that's because Bacuna needs to develop defensively and Hutton terrifies me with his tackling (he could've had 3-4 red cards last season in my opinion) so I think we can carry 1 but not both.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 18, 2015, 10:57:42 PM

Someone posted the name of Obbi Oulare earlier. I've never heard of him but he looks better than that Embolo chap i reckon.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 18, 2015, 11:05:09 PM

Quote from: Clampy on July 18, 2015, 10:57:42 PM

Someone posted the name of Obbi Oulare earlier. I've never heard of him but he looks better than that Embolo chap i reckon.

Hmm, I know nothing about either apart from 10 seconds on each of their Wikipedia pages but I'd go with the bloke with 22 goals in 50 matches at the age of 18 over the guy with 2 goals in 11 games at the age of 19.

Incidentally, that Embolo chap was born in 1997. Fucking hell, I have clothes that I actually wear to work that are older than that.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 18, 2015, 11:07:55 PM

OK, some of the names we're now getting linked with sound more like characters in the new Star Wars films.

Annoyingly I'll probably have a better idea about who's who in that far far away galaxy.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 18, 2015, 11:08:39 PM

Quote from: Clampy on July 18, 2015, 10:57:42 PM

Someone posted the name of Obbi Oulare earlier. I've never heard of him but he looks better than that Embolo chap i reckon.

Has somebody been performing experiments on Benteke's DNA? There seem to be a few clones all a similar age.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 18, 2015, 11:10:24 PM

Quote from: OCD on July 18, 2015, 11:08:39 PM

Quote from: Clampy on July 18, 2015, 10:57:42 PM

Someone posted the name of Obbi Oulare earlier. I've never heard of him but he looks better than that Embolo chap i reckon.

Has somebody been performing experiments on Benteke's DNA? There seem to be a few clones all a similar age.

He reminded me of Benteke when I saw the youtube video actually.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 18, 2015, 11:11:35 PM

Also, we must have been trying to shift Hutton for 2 or 3 years. Another great Lambert decision to extend his contract.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 18, 2015, 11:15:12 PM

The Embolo video I've watched is here:

The encouraging thing is that he scored different types of goals so it's not like he's just quicker or stronger than the teams he's faced (by the looks of it he's both, and a lot more besides), he's just generally a level above them and ready to play in a much tougher league, for an 18 year old that's pretty impressive.  I'd be well happy with this, he's the right sort of target to be looking at to replace Benteke, much more so that Austin or Adebayor.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Seb_AVFC on July 18, 2015, 11:29:54 PM

I was. But we're linked with Michy Batchuayi (SP) in todays Belgian media. Both for 15,-20 m would be a steal tho. Id love them here. And yes I didnt rate Tekkers ,( as did the rest of Belgium at that time)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 18, 2015, 11:46:10 PM

Not only very talented, Embolo looks fucking hard as nails at 18, let alone when he fills out.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 18, 2015, 11:49:57 PM

Have we actually been linked to this strapping young chap or is this just a bit of dreaming?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 18, 2015, 11:51:37 PM

Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 18, 2015, 11:49:57 PM

Have we actually been linked to this strapping young chap or is this just a bit of dreaming?

Yeah, a couple of times over the last few weeks, only very tentative though from what I can tell.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 18, 2015, 11:52:59 PM

Dreaming I reckon. Sure I read somewhere that Juve had a bid of 20m euros and had it turned down.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villan from luton on July 18, 2015, 11:53:07 PM

Good that we are being linked to good players instead of the old journeymen. Lets hope the board really back the manager, we need a good few players

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 18, 2015, 11:54:11 PM

I'm starting to think you lot are making these players up now. Is there no one we aren't reportedly after?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 18, 2015, 11:55:04 PM

Good incoming players so far. Exciting players. I hope to see another midfielder though. I'm probably in the minority but a fit and motivated Adebayor can be a very good player and I wouldn't mind seeing THAT version at VP rather than the dickhead one that also exists. I would also like to see Charlie Austin in a Villa shirt.

Parts of the media suggesting that Darder has signed an extended contract at Malaga. If so, shame.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 18, 2015, 11:59:18 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 18, 2015, 10:47:57 PM

Quote from: paul_e on July 18, 2015, 10:25:43 PM

Embolo really does look the bollocks on youtube, I'd be happy with him as the only incoming striker this summer and seeing if Gabby and Kozak can step up, if not look to get someone else in in Jan and try to move one or both of them on.

Same in midfield I think, Sign Praet and then see if Sanchez, Gueye, Praet, Westwood, Gardner and Grealish can form a decent unit between them.  If not look for replacements and move on the weaker links.

I'd quite like a genuine right winger and another right back (I'd let Hutton go and keep Bacuna as competition with the new guy)

So 4 signings to compete for starts would be ok by me (and maybe a couple of 18-19 year olds to give us some quality in reserve ready for when the likes of Senderos, Nzogbia and Cole all leave next summer). I think it's easy to go a bit crazy and start calling for 8-9 new starters but I don't think we can or should do that much business.

Regardless of whether we could do that amount of business, integrating more than 4 maybe 5 starters to create a well functioning / drilled team is problematic.

Benteke hasn't gone, but I can't help thinking how our starting XI would be looking like with him, Delph and Vlaar lining up with our new signings. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villan from luton on July 19, 2015, 12:00:50 AM

Quote from: Des Little on July 18, 2015, 11:54:11 PM

I'm starting to think you lot are making these players up now. Is there no one we aren't reportedly after?

Fabian judas Delph

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Londonvilla on July 19, 2015, 12:11:50 AM

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/592146/Aston-Villa-Bournemouth-Callum-Wilson-Christian-Benteke-replacement-Liverpool

Aston Villa eye Bournemouth star Callum Wilson as Christian Benteke's replacement

"ASTON VILLA boss Tim Sherwood will this week make a move for Bournemouth striker Callum Wilson as a replacement for Christian Benteke.

PUBLISHED: 22:30, Sat, Jul 18, 2015
The England under-21 international scored 20 goals to help the Cherries into the Premier League and has been on the radar of several clubs including Chelsea

Wilson, on loan at Conference side Tamworth just three years ago, only joined Bournemouth from Coventry last July for £3million.

Sherwood will have brought in around £40m when Belgium international Benteke follows Fabian Delph out of Villa Park.

Villa asked about Wilson in January but were put off by the £7m fee. Now they look set to pay it.Villa close in on £7m Wilson"


Has anyone seen him play?????

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Londonvilla on July 19, 2015, 12:12:16 AM

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-plan-transfer-charlie-6093436?

"Aston Villa plan transfer of Charlie Austin from QPR using their Christian Benteke windfall

With £32.5m coming in after Liverpool met the Belgian's release clause Tim Sherwood is in a position to meet Hoops' £15m asking price

Aston Villa will move for Charlie Austin to replace Liverpool-bound striker Christian Benteke.

Boss Tim Sherwood hopes to use his relationship with QPR director of football Les Ferdinand, who he worked with at Tottenham, to smooth the way for a £15million deal that will leave Newcastle, Palace and Leicester disappointed.

Austin, 25, scored 18 goals in 35 appearances in his first year in the Premier League to force his way into Roy Hodgson’s England squad.

A move to Tyneside has stalled so far because the Geordies would not match QPR’s asking price.

But with £32.5m coming in after Benteke’s release clause was triggered by Liverpool plus a further £8m from Fabian Delph’s move to Man City, Sherwood wants to spend a sizeable lump of that on a new striker.

He has been keen on Spurs’ Emmanuel Adebayor but has so far failed to tie up a deal.

Elsewhere, the Villans have signed France U21 defender Jordan Amavi — French club Nice confirmed they had accepted a bid that could total £10m.

The left-back was left out of a friendly to come to the UK for a medical."

£10m yes £15m no

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 19, 2015, 12:13:05 AM

Quote from: paul_e on July 18, 2015, 11:15:12 PM

The Embolo video I've watched is here:

The encouraging thing is that he scored different types of goals so it's not like he's just quicker or stronger than the teams he's faced (by the looks of it he's both, and a lot more besides), he's just generally a level above them and ready to play in a much tougher league, for an 18 year old that's pretty impressive.  I'd be well happy with this, he's the right sort of target to be looking at to replace Benteke, much more so that Austin or Adebayor.

He looks good.

However, while I'm no expert on hip-hop, I'll give a million pounds to the next person to wank me off if the 'rapper' on that soundtrack isn't an annoying, middle-class, overweight white man with anger issues. The G has no flow.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Londonvilla on July 19, 2015, 12:23:23 AM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3166673/Aston-Villa-look-loan-stars-James-Wilson-Patrick-Bamford-replace-Fabian-Delph-Christian-Benteke.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

"Aston Villa may look to loan stars such as James Wilson and Patrick Bamford to replace Fabian Delph and Christian Benteke
By LAURIE WHITWELL FOR THE DAILY MAIL
PUBLISHED: 22:31, 18 July 2015 | UPDATED: 22:31, 18 July 2015

Tim Sherwood will scour the loan market as part of his efforts to rebuild Aston Villa after the departures of Fabian Delph and Christian Benteke. Players such as James Wilson, the 19-year-old Manchester United striker, and Patrick Bamford, Chelsea’s 21-year-old forward, could be available. Sherwood is also keen on Emmanuel Adebayor, who he had success with at Tottenham, and Bournemouth striker Callum Wilson.
‘There will be players at other clubs where they want their players to go out and play some games,’ said Sherwood. ‘We can be that club.’
Villa completed the £10million signing of left back Jordan Amavi, 21, from Nice.
'He's someone we’ve been tracking for a long time,' said Sherwood.
'He’s dynamic, gets forward, had good delivery, and is a decent size for a left-back.
'He’s quick and aggressive and will be suited to the Premier League. He plays at a high tempo. French football is quite close to English.'

Happy with James Wilson, and Patrick Bamford

But no more loans .......We are not a feeder club

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villan from luton on July 19, 2015, 12:23:56 AM

Quote from: tomd2103 on July 18, 2015, 11:59:18 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 18, 2015, 10:47:57 PM

Quote from: paul_e on July 18, 2015, 10:25:43 PM

Embolo really does look the bollocks on youtube, I'd be happy with him as the only incoming striker this summer and seeing if Gabby and Kozak can step up, if not look to get someone else in in Jan and try to move one or both of them on.

Same in midfield I think, Sign Praet and then see if Sanchez, Gueye, Praet, Westwood, Gardner and Grealish can form a decent unit between them.  If not look for replacements and move on the weaker links.

I'd quite like a genuine right winger and another right back (I'd let Hutton go and keep Bacuna as competition with the new guy)

So 4 signings to compete for starts would be ok by me (and maybe a couple of 18-19 year olds to give us some quality in reserve ready for when the likes of Senderos, Nzogbia and Cole all leave next summer). I think it's easy to go a bit crazy and start calling for 8-9 new starters but I don't think we can or should do that much business.

Regardless of whether we could do that amount of business, integrating more than 4 maybe 5 starters to create a well functioning / drilled team is problematic.

Benteke hasn't gone, but I can't help thinking how our starting XI would be looking like with him, Delph and Vlaar lining up with our new signings. 

If they want to go off, feck em and move on

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 19, 2015, 12:25:30 AM

Quote from: Londonvilla on July 19, 2015, 12:12:16 AM

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-plan-transfer-charlie-6093436?

"Aston Villa plan transfer of Charlie Austin from QPR using their Christian Benteke windfall

With £32.5m coming in after Liverpool met the Belgian's release clause Tim Sherwood is in a position to meet Hoops' £15m asking price

Aston Villa will move for Charlie Austin to replace Liverpool-bound striker Christian Benteke.

Boss Tim Sherwood hopes to use his relationship with QPR director of football Les Ferdinand, who he worked with at Tottenham, to smooth the way for a £15million deal that will leave Newcastle, Palace and Leicester disappointed.

Austin, 25, scored 18 goals in 35 appearances in his first year in the Premier League to force his way into Roy Hodgson’s England squad.

A move to Tyneside has stalled so far because the Geordies would not match QPR’s asking price.

But with £32.5m coming in after Benteke’s release clause was triggered by Liverpool plus a further £8m from Fabian Delph’s move to Man City, Sherwood wants to spend a sizeable lump of that on a new striker.

He has been keen on Spurs’ Emmanuel Adebayor but has so far failed to tie up a deal.

Elsewhere, the Villans have signed France U21 defender Jordan Amavi — French club Nice confirmed they had accepted a bid that could total £10m.

The left-back was left out of a friendly to come to the UK for a medical."

£10m yes £15m no

I'm not sold on Austin but we can't say to clubs 32.5 or nothing for our player and then quibble too much when another club says our valuation or nothing regarding their player.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villan from luton on July 19, 2015, 12:26:53 AM

Quote from: VillaiNorseVillan on July 19, 2015, 12:13:05 AM

Quote from: paul_e on July 18, 2015, 11:15:12 PM

The Embolo video I've watched is here:

The encouraging thing is that he scored different types of goals so it's not like he's just quicker or stronger than the teams he's faced (by the looks of it he's both, and a lot more besides), he's just generally a level above them and ready to play in a much tougher league, for an 18 year old that's pretty impressive.  I'd be well happy with this, he's the right sort of target to be looking at to replace Benteke, much more so that Austin or Adebayor.

He looks good.

However, while I'm no expert on hip-hop, I'll give a million pounds to the next person to wank me off if the 'rapper' on that soundtrack isn't an annoying, middle-class, overweight white man with anger issues. The G has no flow.

I am that man, but am still aspiring to be middle class :-(

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villan from luton on July 19, 2015, 12:28:46 AM

Quote from: peter w on July 19, 2015, 12:25:30 AM

Quote from: Londonvilla on July 19, 2015, 12:12:16 AM

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-plan-transfer-charlie-6093436?

"Aston Villa plan transfer of Charlie Austin from QPR using their Christian Benteke windfall

With £32.5m coming in after Liverpool met the Belgian's release clause Tim Sherwood is in a position to meet Hoops' £15m asking price

Aston Villa will move for Charlie Austin to replace Liverpool-bound striker Christian Benteke.

Boss Tim Sherwood hopes to use his relationship with QPR director of football Les Ferdinand, who he worked with at Tottenham, to smooth the way for a £15million deal that will leave Newcastle, Palace and Leicester disappointed.

Austin, 25, scored 18 goals in 35 appearances in his first year in the Premier League to force his way into Roy Hodgson’s England squad.

A move to Tyneside has stalled so far because the Geordies would not match QPR’s asking price.

But with £32.5m coming in after Benteke’s release clause was triggered by Liverpool plus a further £8m from Fabian Delph’s move to Man City, Sherwood wants to spend a sizeable lump of that on a new striker.

He has been keen on Spurs’ Emmanuel Adebayor but has so far failed to tie up a deal.

Elsewhere, the Villans have signed France U21 defender Jordan Amavi — French club Nice confirmed they had accepted a bid that could total £10m.

The left-back was left out of a friendly to come to the UK for a medical."

£10m yes £15m no

I'm not sold on Austin be can't say to clubs 32.5 or nothing for our player and then quibble too much when another club says our valuation or nothing regarding their player.

I read elsewhere that Sherwood don't want Austin and agree with you. I think we may get better value

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 19, 2015, 12:37:53 AM

Austin scores goals, which without Benteke we might not! However, if we are going to play in a different style, then he may not be the answer. I quite like Wilson from Bournemouth but £10m seems quite high. Although if he were coming from abroad we would probably not be as concerned. Adebayor on a loan or cheap deal looks a safe bet for Sherwood due to their relationship. Him and a more untested, much younger option make sense.

More concerned with getting midfield and defence sorted.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 19, 2015, 12:43:57 AM

For me Austin is a lot like Bent, he can score goals but that's all he does, last season he scored for fun but QPR as a whole were gash and his part in that can't be played down purely because of the goals he scored.

Adebayor has the potential to be a good player but I just don't trust him, too many times and for too many clubs he's half-arsed his way through important periods and looked every bit the mercenary his reputation suggests.

Both would bring goals, which is why they have any appeal but I don't think either is what we need.  Add the fee for one and the wages for the other into the mix and it just doesn't feel like a good idea.  I'd genuinely rather we pick up someone who comes in seeing us as a stepping-stone, it's frustrating when they leave but at least you get the sackful of cash to find a replacement, I'm fed up of us being a club who sees first team players leave every season for free or nominal fees and want to see any summer where we need to replace first-teamers become one where we get a replacement and 2-3 other decent players without spending any of our own money.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 19, 2015, 01:00:49 AM

Quote from: paul_e on July 19, 2015, 12:43:57 AM

For me Austin is a lot like Bent, he can score goals but that's all he does, last season he scored for fun but QPR as a whole were gash and his part in that can't be played down purely because of the goals he scored.

Adebayor has the potential to be a good player but I just don't trust him, too many times and for too many clubs he's half-arsed his way through important periods and looked every bit the mercenary his reputation suggests.

Both would bring goals, which is why they have any appeal but I don't think either is what we need.  Add the fee for one and the wages for the other into the mix and it just doesn't feel like a good idea.  I'd genuinely rather we pick up someone who comes in seeing us as a stepping-stone, it's frustrating when they leave but at least you get the sackful of cash to find a replacement, I'm fed up of us being a club who sees first team players leave every season for free or nominal fees and want to see any summer where we need to replace first-teamers become one where we get a replacement and 2-3 other decent players without spending any of our own money.

Thing is we definitely need someone who is right at the top of their profession up front, and we're not in the market for that top of player, or we get someone in who has experience of the top flight in England. It's a tough call and one that could make or break Sherwood with us.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 19, 2015, 06:35:53 AM

Quote from: Londonvilla on July 19, 2015, 12:23:23 AM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3166673/Aston-Villa-look-loan-stars-James-Wilson-Patrick-Bamford-replace-Fabian-Delph-Christian-Benteke.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

"Aston Villa may look to loan stars such as James Wilson and Patrick Bamford to replace Fabian Delph and Christian Benteke
By LAURIE WHITWELL FOR THE DAILY MAIL
PUBLISHED: 22:31, 18 July 2015 | UPDATED: 22:31, 18 July 2015

Tim Sherwood will scour the loan market as part of his efforts to rebuild Aston Villa after the departures of Fabian Delph and Christian Benteke. Players such as James Wilson, the 19-year-old Manchester United striker, and Patrick Bamford, Chelsea’s 21-year-old forward, could be available. Sherwood is also keen on Emmanuel Adebayor, who he had success with at Tottenham, and Bournemouth striker Callum Wilson.
‘There will be players at other clubs where they want their players to go out and play some games,’ said Sherwood. ‘We can be that club.’
Villa completed the £10million signing of left back Jordan Amavi, 21, from Nice.
'He's someone we’ve been tracking for a long time,' said Sherwood.
'He’s dynamic, gets forward, had good delivery, and is a decent size for a left-back.
'He’s quick and aggressive and will be suited to the Premier League. He plays at a high tempo. French football is quite close to English.'

Happy with James Wilson, and Patrick Bamford

But no more loans .......We are not a feeder club

Sounds to me like we're not getting the Delph, Benteke money

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 19, 2015, 06:50:52 AM

in which case we are well and truly fucked, but I don't believe for one moment that further investment won't be made.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 19, 2015, 06:51:04 AM

Quote from: peter w on July 19, 2015, 01:00:49 AM

Quote from: paul_e on July 19, 2015, 12:43:57 AM

For me Austin is a lot like Bent, he can score goals but that's all he does, last season he scored for fun but QPR as a whole were gash and his part in that can't be played down purely because of the goals he scored.

Adebayor has the potential to be a good player but I just don't trust him, too many times and for too many clubs he's half-arsed his way through important periods and looked every bit the mercenary his reputation suggests.

Both would bring goals, which is why they have any appeal but I don't think either is what we need.  Add the fee for one and the wages for the other into the mix and it just doesn't feel like a good idea.  I'd genuinely rather we pick up someone who comes in seeing us as a stepping-stone, it's frustrating when they leave but at least you get the sackful of cash to find a replacement, I'm fed up of us being a club who sees first team players leave every season for free or nominal fees and want to see any summer where we need to replace first-teamers become one where we get a replacement and 2-3 other decent players without spending any of our own money.

Thing is we definitely need someone who is right at the top of their profession up front, and we're not in the market for that top of player, or we get someone in who has experience of the top flight in England. It's a tough call and one that could make or break Sherwood with us.

I would sooner look for better targets. If forced between Austin and Adebayor then it would be Austin every day. At least his value could go up. Adebayor's will not and we just finished running down the contract of a proven 31 year old striker who was on high wages. It would be madness to sign another one right after.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on July 19, 2015, 07:24:27 AM

Don't have any problem with Wilson and/or Bamford coming in on loan as a one season stopgap to supplement Kozak, providing that it means we're spending proper money everywhere else (we still could use a right winger and a CB - a 10 million player to fill both positions sounds good to me.)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Le Lapin on July 19, 2015, 07:54:24 AM

Austin and Kozac up front wouldn't be bad. Kozac if he can come back as strong as he was before the legbreak will score goals. I'm greedy now with all this money,  get Adebayor as well on some class of a deal that doesn't leave us too exposed if he decides that he's not interested. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on July 19, 2015, 07:55:46 AM

I'd like to see Matt Phillips come in. Add another goal scorer (assuming Benteke is actually going) to supplement Kozak - wouldn't recommend Austin or loanees: get in someone whom we can develop and add value to; and another decent midfielder.
Job done.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OzVilla on July 19, 2015, 08:01:24 AM

Tbh, I wouldn't be counting our chickens where Kozac is concerned. He's coming back from a terrible injury and has suffered setbacks and not played for 17 months. That could go either way.

A loan deal and young up and coming quality to supplement him but with the view that whatever we'll get from Kozac now is a bonus.

Austin over Adeboyour no contest.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 19, 2015, 08:15:02 AM

Quote from: paul_e on July 19, 2015, 12:43:57 AM

For me Austin is a lot like Bent, he can score goals but that's all he does, last season he scored for fun but QPR as a whole were gash and his part in that can't be played down purely because of the goals he scored.

Adebayor has the potential to be a good player but I just don't trust him, too many times and for too many clubs he's half-arsed his way through important periods and looked every bit the mercenary his reputation suggests.

Both would bring goals, which is why they have any appeal but I don't think either is what we need.  Add the fee for one and the wages for the other into the mix and it just doesn't feel like a good idea.  I'd genuinely rather we pick up someone who comes in seeing us as a stepping-stone, it's frustrating when they leave but at least you get the sackful of cash to find a replacement, I'm fed up of us being a club who sees first team players leave every season for free or nominal fees and want to see any summer where we need to replace first-teamers become one where we get a replacement and 2-3 other decent players without spending any of our own money.

Adebayor has the potential to be a good player Paul? He was a good player in his youth for arsenal but that was some years ago. He is now in his thirties with more personal baggage than Tiger Woods and Antler combined! Not only that he will be unfit.God I hope we don't sign him on more than a short term loan.We may already may have one Billy Big Potatoes in Richards on the books,surely we don't want another one?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 19, 2015, 08:27:56 AM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 19, 2015, 06:35:53 AM

Quote from: Londonvilla on July 19, 2015, 12:23:23 AM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3166673/Aston-Villa-look-loan-stars-James-Wilson-Patrick-Bamford-replace-Fabian-Delph-Christian-Benteke.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

"Aston Villa may look to loan stars such as James Wilson and Patrick Bamford to replace Fabian Delph and Christian Benteke
By LAURIE WHITWELL FOR THE DAILY MAIL
PUBLISHED: 22:31, 18 July 2015 | UPDATED: 22:31, 18 July 2015

Tim Sherwood will scour the loan market as part of his efforts to rebuild Aston Villa after the departures of Fabian Delph and Christian Benteke. Players such as James Wilson, the 19-year-old Manchester United striker, and Patrick Bamford, Chelsea’s 21-year-old forward, could be available. Sherwood is also keen on Emmanuel Adebayor, who he had success with at Tottenham, and Bournemouth striker Callum Wilson.
‘There will be players at other clubs where they want their players to go out and play some games,’ said Sherwood. ‘We can be that club.’
Villa completed the £10million signing of left back Jordan Amavi, 21, from Nice.
'He's someone we’ve been tracking for a long time,' said Sherwood.
'He’s dynamic, gets forward, had good delivery, and is a decent size for a left-back.
'He’s quick and aggressive and will be suited to the Premier League. He plays at a high tempo. French football is quite close to English.'

Happy with James Wilson, and Patrick Bamford

But no more loans .......We are not a feeder club

Sounds to me like we're not getting the Delph, Benteke money

I'm not sure about that. I don't think he's stupid enough to replace Benteke with two unproven kids. He may take one of them which would be fair enough but not both.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on July 19, 2015, 08:38:15 AM

I reckon Adebayor is the one Shereood wants, it's nailed on for me that we get him if the wage thing can be sorted out

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 19, 2015, 08:56:19 AM

Quote from: Clampy on July 19, 2015, 08:27:56 AM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 19, 2015, 06:35:53 AM

Quote from: Londonvilla on July 19, 2015, 12:23:23 AM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3166673/Aston-Villa-look-loan-stars-James-Wilson-Patrick-Bamford-replace-Fabian-Delph-Christian-Benteke.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

"Aston Villa may look to loan stars such as James Wilson and Patrick Bamford to replace Fabian Delph and Christian Benteke
By LAURIE WHITWELL FOR THE DAILY MAIL
PUBLISHED: 22:31, 18 July 2015 | UPDATED: 22:31, 18 July 2015

Tim Sherwood will scour the loan market as part of his efforts to rebuild Aston Villa after the departures of Fabian Delph and Christian Benteke. Players such as James Wilson, the 19-year-old Manchester United striker, and Patrick Bamford, Chelsea’s 21-year-old forward, could be available. Sherwood is also keen on Emmanuel Adebayor, who he had success with at Tottenham, and Bournemouth striker Callum Wilson.
‘There will be players at other clubs where they want their players to go out and play some games,’ said Sherwood. ‘We can be that club.’
Villa completed the £10million signing of left back Jordan Amavi, 21, from Nice.
'He's someone we’ve been tracking for a long time,' said Sherwood.
'He’s dynamic, gets forward, had good delivery, and is a decent size for a left-back.
'He’s quick and aggressive and will be suited to the Premier League. He plays at a high tempo. French football is quite close to English.'

Happy with James Wilson, and Patrick Bamford

But no more loans .......We are not a feeder club

Sounds to me like we're not getting the Delph, Benteke money

I'm not sure about that. I don't think he's stupid enough to replace Benteke with two unproven kids. He may take one of them which would be fair enough but not both.

I don't think Sherwood would have bought Amavi and Gueye if money was that tight.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 19, 2015, 09:08:08 AM

I don't mind loaning a couple of players to supplement the squad, but I want 3/4 more permanent signings.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt C on July 19, 2015, 09:13:30 AM

Use the loan system wisely and it can be very productive - just like Everton have done.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 19, 2015, 09:14:41 AM

I do hope either Oulare, Embolo or another young forward with the Benteke like potential is brought in with the money alongside Adebayor. It would be a massive waste of opportunity if we don't at least try and replicate the model by going for a younger version of the big man.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 19, 2015, 09:38:36 AM

IF sherwood doesn't get the Delph & Benteke money , and some, it's a disgrace.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 19, 2015, 09:43:29 AM

I think Austin would be my choice. Proven at this level from last season, the right kind of age and when you consider (if it does happen) that we will have signed him, Amavi and Gueye for only a fraction over the Benteke value, we will have done quite well.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on July 19, 2015, 09:46:15 AM

If we spend £20+ million on Adebayor then it will rank as one of our most stupid transfers ever. He's 31 and possibly the most temperamental footballer in England.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: walsall villain on July 19, 2015, 09:48:06 AM

Quote from: aj2k77 on July 19, 2015, 09:46:15 AM

If we spend £20+ million on Adebayor then it will rank as one of our most stupid transfers ever. He's 31 and possibly the most temperamental footballer in England.

Where have you got that figure from?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 19, 2015, 09:50:24 AM

Quote from: aj2k77 on July 19, 2015, 09:46:15 AM

If we spend £20+ million on Adebayor then it will rank as one of our most stupid transfers ever. He's 31 and possibly the most temperamental footballer in England.

It won't be anywhere near that much.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on July 19, 2015, 09:51:22 AM

Quote from: aj2k77 on July 19, 2015, 09:46:15 AM

If we spend £20+ million on Adebayor then it will rank as one of our most stupid transfers ever. He's 31 and possibly the most temperamental footballer in England.

The sticking point if reported correctly is his wages and a 5 mill fee, and Spurs want him away so even the fee might be negotiable

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 19, 2015, 09:53:26 AM

Quote from: aj2k77 on July 19, 2015, 09:46:15 AM

If we spend £20+ million on Adebayor then it will rank as one of our most stupid transfers ever. He's 31 and possibly the most temperamental footballer in England.

Surely he will come on a free but with stupid wage demands.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 19, 2015, 09:53:53 AM

2 year deal on say 70k a week and 2.5m signing fee would be what, 9-10m max over the length? If he scored 20 goals in that period compared to many striker deals made, he would be a bargain.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 19, 2015, 09:55:31 AM

is 500k a goal a bargain?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on July 19, 2015, 09:56:16 AM

Quote from: aj2k77 on July 19, 2015, 09:46:15 AM

If we spend £20+ million on Adebayor then it will rank as one of our most stupid transfers ever. He's 31 and possibly the most temperamental footballer in England.

Which is saying something in a league that contains Mario

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 19, 2015, 09:56:31 AM

70k a week is a wage we should not be prepared to give to someone like Adebayor

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 19, 2015, 09:57:25 AM

I'd rather splash out on Jordan Rhodes than waste money on Adebayour. He would definitely be a backwards step.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard E on July 19, 2015, 09:59:05 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 19, 2015, 09:57:25 AM

I'd rather splash out on Jordan Rhodes than waste money on Adebayour. He would definitely be a backwards step.

That's not a bad shout. Although I actually quite like Adebayor.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ormy Droid on July 19, 2015, 10:00:28 AM

We really should only consider a loan option on him for the whole season, and pay Spurs a fee that would cover half his wages or so. He only ever plays well for half a season at a new club usually, though if we're lucky, and given him and our manager's mutual appreciation of each other, we might get a decent season out of him, as he tries to earn a new contract at (hopefully) another club. There really is no point buying him whatsoever, Spurs are desperate to get him off the wage bill, and only really dumb club would actually bid a fee for him.....D'oh!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 19, 2015, 10:00:54 AM

Quote from: Richard E on July 19, 2015, 09:59:05 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 19, 2015, 09:57:25 AM

I'd rather splash out on Jordan Rhodes than waste money on Adebayour. He would definitely be a backwards step.

That's not a bad shout. Although I actually quite like Adebayor.

Adebayour was decent about 6 years ago. He's past his prime now.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on July 19, 2015, 10:01:26 AM

Quote from: taylorsworkrate on July 19, 2015, 09:56:31 AM

70k a week is a wage we should not be prepared to give to someone like Adebayor

Not even 70K Togo CFA's! (pound=1000 CFA franks)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 19, 2015, 10:06:36 AM

Quote from: taylorsworkrate on July 19, 2015, 09:56:31 AM

70k a week is a wage we should not be prepared to give to someone like Adebayor

I agree. If he was prepared to come in on our top wage though (whatever that is), then i'd take him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 19, 2015, 10:11:23 AM

Adebayor seems to have a tag of troublemaker and lazy attached to him - I've heard the opposite about him from a guy at Spurs - supposed to be one of the hardest working in training and a character the other players like.

We've had lazy attached to Benteke in the past - is this a subtle type of racism I wonder.

I'd probably be more inclined to say journeyman about Adebayor - but is that really his fault?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 19, 2015, 10:21:51 AM

We should not be paying a fee for a 31 year old with one year left on his contract.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve kirk on July 19, 2015, 10:34:23 AM

If it starts looking like we are struggling to get so called preferred striker targets and the season is almost upon us we should definately go and get Adebayor, talk on here about him potentially being a good player is a bit odd, he is 31years old so very experienced, has played for some really top clubs has a great scoring record, he is good in the air and holds the  ball up well, short term fix I know but a very good one.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on July 19, 2015, 10:36:56 AM

Quote from: walsall villain on July 19, 2015, 09:48:06 AM

Quote from: aj2k77 on July 19, 2015, 09:46:15 AM

If we spend £20+ million on Adebayor then it will rank as one of our most stupid transfers ever. He's 31 and possibly the most temperamental footballer in England.

Where have you got that figure from?

What do you think his wages will be for a 4 year contract? Anywhere from £60k-£90k, 4 years, plus transfer fee, plus additional costs, it's £20m+. Heskey cost like £15m.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 19, 2015, 10:39:40 AM

Quote from: aj2k77 on July 19, 2015, 10:36:56 AM

Quote from: walsall villain on July 19, 2015, 09:48:06 AM

Quote from: aj2k77 on July 19, 2015, 09:46:15 AM

If we spend £20+ million on Adebayor then it will rank as one of our most stupid transfers ever. He's 31 and possibly the most temperamental footballer in England.

Where have you got that figure from?

What do you think his wages will be for a 4 year contract? Anywhere from £60k-£90k, 4 years, plus transfer fee, plus additional costs, it's £20m+. Heskey cost like £15m.

Why would we be giving him a four year contract?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on July 19, 2015, 10:39:53 AM

Adebayor on loan I'd go for. Just the prospect of a Gabby and Addy partnership scares the shit out of me. With both of them on a big wedge per week it could be a disaster, I'd just like to see us spend the money on someone more stable.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on July 19, 2015, 10:40:42 AM

Quote from: Dave on July 19, 2015, 10:39:40 AM

Quote from: aj2k77 on July 19, 2015, 10:36:56 AM

Quote from: walsall villain on July 19, 2015, 09:48:06 AM

Quote from: aj2k77 on July 19, 2015, 09:46:15 AM

If we spend £20+ million on Adebayor then it will rank as one of our most stupid transfers ever. He's 31 and possibly the most temperamental footballer in England.

Where have you got that figure from?

What do you think his wages will be for a 4 year contract? Anywhere from £60k-£90k, 4 years, plus transfer fee, plus additional costs, it's £20m+. Heskey cost like £15m.

Why would we be giving him a four year contract?

Because he's 31 and looking for one last big pay day? I can't imagine his agent taking a 2 year deal.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 19, 2015, 10:41:01 AM

Adebayour will want £2m sign on and £100k a week for 4 years I reckon , so about £23m

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dekko on July 19, 2015, 10:44:42 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 19, 2015, 10:41:01 AM

Adebayour will want £2m sign on and £100k a week for 4 years I reckon , so about £23m

Totally gonna happen

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 19, 2015, 10:49:32 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 19, 2015, 10:41:01 AM

Adebayour will want £2m sign on and £100k a week for 4 years I reckon , so about £23m

And I want you to stop posting nonsense, but I don't think either he or I are likely to see our wishes granted anytime soon.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 19, 2015, 10:54:22 AM

Good Morning gentlemen. Most of us, it would appear,do not want Adebayor anywhere near the club but we all suspect the manager does and he will get his own way. Because he has scored goals in the far distant past does not mean he will in the future. But there remains a possibility he might. Anyway Daniel Levy wants him out of his club and who are we to argue with the maestro?

As I have said previously another Fashanu to bleed money out of us. However I really like the look of Breel Embolo, Now if we could get him, after signing Amavi, that would mean Aston Villa are really moving up in the football world, and at speed.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 19, 2015, 10:57:15 AM

If it happens hen it won't be until late August as Levy sees himself as some arch negotiator.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 19, 2015, 11:04:31 AM

It's not the far distant past though is it. It was the season before Sherwood came to villa when he was in excellent form

Would still rather go elsewhere - eg remy plus a youngster. But not sure Chelsea looking to sell

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 19, 2015, 11:14:16 AM

We are close to Obbi Oulare according to Nixon in the Sun.

That's the way to go; the new Benteke to come in along with a more exprienced head on a shorter deal.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on July 19, 2015, 11:17:58 AM

If we got Adebeyor as well as someone like Embolo, I could live with that. My major worry about Adebeyor is whether he actually mentally wants to play football right now. He's often been accused of being a lazy prick, and that's true, but he's also had a tough time of it in the last year too. I don't want us to be spending 50+k a week on him to see him being given time off all the time to sort his head. On his day a very good player though.

I do think we need 2 new strikers in to replace Benteke. A promising youngster like Embolo would be good along with someone who's been around the block a bit more. Adebeyor, even on a free would be too risky.
I do fancy Kozak to have a good season too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 19, 2015, 11:18:53 AM

Oulare's more like it. Take a punt and see what happens just like we did with Benteke - look forwards, Tim. not backwards. More Gueye's and Amavi's, less of yesterday's men.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on July 19, 2015, 11:20:18 AM

A guy who has played 11 games can hardly be described as the new Benteke can he?

If we can get that Embolo guy I'd be excited. Embolo, Gueye, Richards, Amavi and 2 others and I'd day we are much stronger.

Adebayor on a 2 yr deal would be a risk I'd take with a youngster with huge potential.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 19, 2015, 11:21:07 AM

Quote from: Ads on July 19, 2015, 11:14:16 AM

We are close to Obbi Oulare according to Nixon in the Sun.

That's the way to go; the new Benteke to come in along with a more exprienced head on a shorter deal.

Everyday a new name crops up. Who is this guy?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 19, 2015, 11:26:09 AM

19 year old from Club Brugge. He's only played a collective 12 games when you tot up his minutes, but he's scred 7 and set up 4. He's 6 foot 5 and heavier than Benteke too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 19, 2015, 11:30:05 AM

Quote from: Ads on July 19, 2015, 11:26:09 AM

19 year old from Club Brugge. He's only played a collective 12 games when you tot up his minutes, but he's scred 7 and set up 4. He's 6 foot 5 and heavier than Benteke too.

Is he Belgian or African, passport-wise?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 19, 2015, 11:35:00 AM

He was born in Belgium and has been playing for the Belgian youth levels but his father is African.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 19, 2015, 11:37:32 AM

Quote from: OCD on July 19, 2015, 11:35:00 AM

He was born in Belgium and has been playing for the Belgian youth levels but his father is African.

Cheers. No work permit issues then if we sign him I assume.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: exigo on July 19, 2015, 11:42:23 AM

Teams like Swansea and Southampton have sailed past us by signing good up-and-coming players, who then move on for profit. This summer's links would rather suggest that Paddy O'Reilly could be the best signing we've made in a long time.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 19, 2015, 11:42:57 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 19, 2015, 11:30:05 AM

Quote from: Ads on July 19, 2015, 11:26:09 AM

19 year old from Club Brugge. He's only played a collective 12 games when you tot up his minutes, but he's scred 7 and set up 4. He's 6 foot 5 and heavier than Benteke too.

Is he Belgian or African, passport-wise?

Born in Belgium so either Belgian or dual-nationality.

For the Adebayor potential thing what i meant was if you put him in the team he can potentially win you a game, but he can also potentially look like a sulky man-child.  For me if we want someone who's going to be hit and miss like that I'd rather they were U21 and likely to develop consistency going forward, Adebayor has been moved on from some good clubs because he's proven incapable of doing that.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 19, 2015, 11:46:19 AM

I think it was Trent on VT who implied Oulare is our top priority

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 19, 2015, 12:02:54 PM

Oulare and Adebayor would make a lot of sense. One for the future and one for now. Hopefully we can get both done quickly, get Darder in this week to and then l for a couple of exciting loans to to it up. Gnarby from Arsenal might be worth looking at. I would make Kyle walker a big target too personally.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SamTheMouse on July 19, 2015, 12:04:08 PM

There's no point signing Adebayor. Far easier for Randy to just sit at home in his kitchen, occasionally stuffing bundles of £50 notes in his aga.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: David_Nab on July 19, 2015, 12:05:43 PM

Quote from: Matt C on July 19, 2015, 09:13:30 AM

Use the loan system wisely and it can be very productive - just like Everton have done.

Even likes of United,City and Chelsea have loaned players I don't really see the issue.Everton loaned 3 players that have all signed on permantly.If player like Barry was available for loan then it's worth doin a deal.We came 17th last season if loaning a player helps us get away from this constant pattern of relegation fights then why not ?

We have brought in 2 highly rated but untested players from France supplementing them with experienced loan players seems a good option to me.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on July 19, 2015, 12:07:14 PM

Imagine if Tim decided to go for both Obbi Oulare and Breel Embolo to improve our option upfront. i think we can afford to do both assuming we make it work.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 19, 2015, 12:09:49 PM

Quote from: Ads on July 19, 2015, 11:26:09 AM

19 year old from Club Brugge. He's only played a collective 12 games when you tot up his minutes, but he's scred 7 and set up 4. He's 6 foot 5 and heavier than Benteke too.

A force to be reckoned with then. I would think he would come a lot cheaper than Embolo as well. Why not buy them both and play one at centre half!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eamonn on July 19, 2015, 12:09:59 PM

How much is Oulare likely to cost? Surely they cant take the piss with regard to the fee given the small "sample size" of his games/performance record?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 19, 2015, 12:10:31 PM

Reports reckon about 7m

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Gregorys Boy on July 19, 2015, 12:15:34 PM

Adebayor will come in and start off quite strong, but after a two or three months will fade either because of injury, or because he can't be bothered or because he just doesn't have it to go a season insert your own excuse here.  He'll be cheap at least, but I think we should look elsewhere.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 19, 2015, 12:19:39 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 19, 2015, 12:10:31 PM

Reports reckon about 7m

Just had a look on You Tube and he is very good in the air. Perhaps we should chance it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 19, 2015, 12:21:33 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 19, 2015, 12:19:39 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 19, 2015, 12:10:31 PM

Reports reckon about 7m

Just had a look on You Tube and he is very good in the air. Perhaps we should chance it.

I think I watched the same video you did and he does look very Benteke like in the air. There was also a few fancy back heels thrown in as well which only confident players tend to do.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 19, 2015, 12:23:53 PM

Borini and lambert would be good to bring in.  Not sure Naismith Everton situation but he could come in for weimann also pienarr is a player I rate and getable . Strikers and Bamford or Remy wouuld be good addition. Take matt Philips and  and maybe a Townsend or even Ashley young back -if pedro goes then that's pretty decent.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: citizenDJ on July 19, 2015, 12:26:10 PM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on July 19, 2015, 12:04:08 PM

There's no point signing Adebayor. Far easier for Randy to just sit at home in his kitchen, occasionally stuffing bundles of £50 notes in his aga.

I don't know - I think we should remember that Adebayor is very good player and that he's looked as focussed and effective as he ever has done while playing under Sherwood. That easily makes him worth signing, in my opinion, with the proviso that doing so wouldn't impact massively on other signings. I don't think it would.

It might not happen, of course, but if it did then I think we'd get goals out of him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 19, 2015, 12:26:32 PM

Quote from: Clampy on July 19, 2015, 12:21:33 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 19, 2015, 12:19:39 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 19, 2015, 12:10:31 PM

Reports reckon about 7m

Just had a look on You Tube and he is very good in the air. Perhaps we should chance it.

I think I watched the same video you did and he does look very Benteke like in the air. There was also a few fancy back heels thrown in as well which only confident players tend to do.

Ah yes the backheel. As performed regularly by Peter Withe if I recall.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: exigo on July 19, 2015, 12:29:52 PM

Oulare and Austin, with £10m change would make me very happy. Chuck Gabby and Kozak into the mix, and then we're a midfielder away from a very decent side.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 19, 2015, 12:34:24 PM

Quote from: exigo on July 19, 2015, 12:29:52 PM

Oulare and Austin, with £10m change would make me very happy. Chuck Gabby and Kozak into the mix, and then we're a midfielder away from a very decent side.

Chuck Gabby!  what a marvellous choice of words you possess!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 19, 2015, 12:41:45 PM

according to the Mail Guzan is up for sale at £3m?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 19, 2015, 12:54:56 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on July 19, 2015, 12:23:53 PM

Borini and lambert would be good to bring in.  Not sure Naismith Everton situation but he could come in for weimann also pienarr is a player I rate and getable . Strikers and Bamford or Remy wouuld be good addition. Take matt Philips and  and maybe a Townsend or even Ashley young back -if pedro goes then that's pretty decent.

And we can have a big relegation party at the end of the season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 19, 2015, 01:11:56 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 19, 2015, 12:41:45 PM

according to the Mail Guzan is up for sale at £3m?

I do hope that is not the case!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on July 19, 2015, 01:28:50 PM

If we replace Guzan that fine, but I don't think it will be easy to find that goalkeeper.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 19, 2015, 01:31:39 PM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on July 19, 2015, 12:04:08 PM

There's no point signing Adebayor. Far easier for Randy to just sit at home in his kitchen, occasionally stuffing bundles of £50 notes in his aga.

That's what he employed MON for.

(starts stopwatch for one of the usual suspects to bite)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 19, 2015, 01:37:55 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on July 19, 2015, 12:23:53 PM

Borini and lambert would be good to bring in.  Not sure Naismith Everton situation but he could come in for weimann also pienarr is a player I rate and getable . Strikers and Bamford or Remy wouuld be good addition. Take matt Philips and  and maybe a Townsend or even Ashley young back -if pedro goes then that's pretty decent.

For the most part it would only be good for their bank managers and agents.

Borini, Lambert, Naismith and Townsend, I'd fly back to Brum to tell them personally to fuck off after they'd crawled on their hands and knees to get to B6. (same goes for Adebeyor)

Remy OK if his heart was in it, Bamford and Phillips can't comment.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 19, 2015, 01:47:52 PM

Any deal with Adebeyor and/or Towsend will be right at the end of the window in my opinion.  We will have to pay top whack to buy them now whereas once faced with paying their wages for another season Spurs will start to reduce their price.  You heard it here first.  I'd hope that Dembele would also be part of that price crash theory too, especially now Delph has left.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 19, 2015, 02:23:42 PM

If we spent over 20m on a player, I'd be amazed.

If that player were Adebayor, we would be actually properly nuts.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: FatSam on July 19, 2015, 02:26:32 PM

Why help Spurs out of a hole by taking Adebayor off their hands? Nobody did the same with Stephen Ireland for us. A loan for the last year of his contract maybe.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 19, 2015, 02:35:08 PM

Stephen Ireland never played well for us. Adebayor played excellently for Tottenham when Sherwood was in charge. It's hardly a like-for-like comparison.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 19, 2015, 02:49:06 PM

Quote from: citizenDJ on July 19, 2015, 12:26:10 PM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on July 19, 2015, 12:04:08 PM

There's no point signing Adebayor. Far easier for Randy to just sit at home in his kitchen, occasionally stuffing bundles of £50 notes in his aga.

I don't know - I think we should remember that Adebayor is very good player and that he's looked as focussed and effective as he ever has done while playing under Sherwood. That easily makes him worth signing, in my opinion, with the proviso that doing so wouldn't impact massively on other signings. I don't think it would.

It might not happen, of course, but if it did then I think we'd get goals out of him.

A season long loan would make sense, but only if it was supplemented with signing a younger striker like some of the names being mentioned. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on July 19, 2015, 02:50:05 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on July 19, 2015, 12:23:53 PM

Borini and lambert would be good to bring in.

FFS, get a grip man!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on July 19, 2015, 02:56:14 PM

Quite like Dwight Gayle. He seems to be improving each season and could do very well here, he also would be a massive improvement on Gabby & Weimann.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on July 19, 2015, 02:59:29 PM

I've never liked Adebayor as a man, as a player, on his game he his a bloody handful. Tim did get some of his best football out of him in a while at Spurs and if a deal is on the cards for him I would happily support the bloke because a club like Villa might be the right place for him.

No matter who you are if you join my club then it's a clean slate.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on July 19, 2015, 03:00:54 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on July 19, 2015, 02:56:14 PM

Quite like Dwight Gayle. He seems to be improving each season and could do very well here, he also would be a massive improvement on Gabby & Weimann.

I would take him but personally I think we should be aiming a little higher than him, I think Palace is his level. I'm sure there's better out there around Europe.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eamonn on July 19, 2015, 03:06:22 PM

Signing another Dwight just wouldn't feel right.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on July 19, 2015, 03:10:27 PM

It's been 17 years, move on buddy  ;)

He actually has a footballing brain, prem experience, skilful and for £6m..... sign him up.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 19, 2015, 03:12:53 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on July 19, 2015, 03:10:27 PM

It's been 17 years, move on buddy  ;)

He actually has a footballing brain, prem experience, skilful and for £6m..... sign him up.

Seventeen years? SEVENTEEN YEARS? Dear God.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 19, 2015, 03:15:01 PM

Quote from: Tuscans on July 19, 2015, 03:00:54 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on July 19, 2015, 02:56:14 PM

Quite like Dwight Gayle. He seems to be improving each season and could do very well here, he also would be a massive improvement on Gabby & Weimann.

I would take him but personally I think we should be aiming a little higher than him, I think Palace is his level. I'm sure there's better out there around Europe.

He can't hold down a regular starting spot in their side, so that would suggest that maybe his level is below that.  In which case, we should steer well clear.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SamTheMouse on July 19, 2015, 04:09:08 PM

I'd rather see us play 4-6-0 than waste scarce resources on Adebayor. He'd turn up, score four or five goals in his first few games, then decide he couldn't be arsed any more and spend the rest of the season jogging around aimlessly up front on his own. And probably pointing a lot.
He'd no doubt want a massive wedge for doing it, too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dekko on July 19, 2015, 04:28:43 PM

I think if we could get him on a year or two contract then Adebayor would be a good signing to help keep us ticking over while Kozak gets up to speed and some of the youngsters (ie Robinson) develop.

Of course I'd rather we signed 'the next benteke' but thats easier said than done, and needs must etc

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 19, 2015, 04:37:51 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 19, 2015, 10:41:01 AM

Adebayour will want £2m sign on and £100k a week for 4 years I reckon , so about £23m

No team will pay him 100k p/w again. If he comes, it will have to be a nominal fee and spurs continue to pay perhaps 30% of his wages.

It's still a gamble.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villan from luton on July 19, 2015, 04:40:03 PM

It would be a gamble, but if the fee and wages were reasonable I would go for it, but another striker as well

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 19, 2015, 04:44:35 PM

Any signing is a potential gamble, but a player who has years of experience of scoring goals at the top level, and excelled under Sherwood just a year ago, would be less of a gamble than most.

We were one of the lowest scorers last year even WITH Benteke. Without him we really can't afford to be trying unproven players up front in the hope they come off.

Adebayor with a young, potential "new Benteke" either for the future or to play alongside him would be a good choice.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Monty on July 19, 2015, 04:49:35 PM

I'd rather Adebayor than Austin, to be honest. Austin did well last year, but I've seen nothing really to suggest that the quoted prices represent value.

We need to go abroad, though. Given the Premier League TV money there's not much excuse for buying domestically.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Jimsta on July 19, 2015, 04:53:49 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 19, 2015, 04:44:35 PM

Any signing is a potential gamble, but a player who has years of experience of scoring goals at the top level, and excelled under Sherwood just a year ago, would be less of a gamble than most.

We were one of the lowest scorers last year even WITH Benteke. Without him we really can't afford to be trying unproven players up front in the hope they come off.

Adebayor with a young, potential "new Benteke" either for the future or to play alongside him would be a good choice.

That Sir would be my choice, Adebayor on a short contract or maybe loan when we bring a young promising player from abroad to give the player time to bed in.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 19, 2015, 05:32:07 PM

Quote from: Monty on July 19, 2015, 04:49:35 PM

I'd rather Adebayor than Austin, to be honest. Austin did well last year, but I've seen nothing really to suggest that the quoted prices represent value.

We need to go abroad, though. Given the Premier League TV money there's not much excuse for buying domestically.

Also the exchange rate.  Its probably the optimum time to be buying from Europe.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Concrete John on July 19, 2015, 05:33:54 PM

I don't think Adebayor would take a short term contract - he'll want at least 3 years. 

For me, it would only make financial sense it it was a year long loan.  It's quite possible there's s find of brinksmanship going on between us, Spurs and the players agent about this very issue.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 19, 2015, 05:59:12 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on July 19, 2015, 05:33:54 PM

I don't think Adebayor would take a short term contract - he'll want at least 3 years. 

For me, it would only make financial sense it it was a year long loan.  It's quite possible there's s find of brinksmanship going on between us, Spurs and the players agent about this very issue.

Loan is the perfect scenario.  A motivated Adebeyor is arguably better than Benteke.  So not having a contract beyond the current season might be enough to ensure he is committed.  In the meantime we develop a youngster.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 19, 2015, 06:01:53 PM

A couple of year contract would be fine by me.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 19, 2015, 06:13:48 PM

Whilst I agree that there's more value to be had in Europe we also need to be mindful that we've lost a lot of Premier League experience in Vlaar, Delph, Cleverley and (sadly) Benteke. I'd be more inclined to bring in a couple of staple Premier League players to fill the more pressing gaps in the side now.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Shrek on July 19, 2015, 06:19:15 PM

I would not want Adebayor on a perminant deal, the only way I'd  be happy with him coming, is on loan, with Spurs paying most his wages.

It's about time we did a loan deal where we benefited. Spurs got the best with the Walker, Jenus and that unknown chap. I'd love to take a player like Adebayor, who'd they want to sell and make them pay most his wages.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 19, 2015, 06:20:12 PM

If Adebayor is still such a desirable player why are spurs desperate to get him out? We've only just said goodbye to one overpaid 31 year old forward and now we're falling over ourselves to bag another. I know he's scored bags of goals elsewhere but his best days are gone - and with the amount of leave he's had it might also take months to get him match fit. Younger players with real potential and a realistic chance of making money on are the way forward imo and if we want experience in the interim, lets look at Austin.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 19, 2015, 06:52:28 PM

Yeah, Austin for me too. I think he'd do well here.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on July 19, 2015, 06:54:47 PM

I can't see how anyone who is contemplating Adebayor as being a good move can have the audacity to scoff at signing Lambert...they may have PL experience but they are both old, have no resale value and would demand excessive wages. We do need some players with PL experience added to the squad (may be a few loans) but I hope TS has the common sense to avoid this pair.

Interesting piece just on SSN...we have lost almost half the team that started the FA Cup final just 7 weeks ago...

Given
Vlaar
Cleverley
Delph
Benteke

...the spine of this team may have been completely removed but for the majority of last season we were spineless with or without them on the pitch. TS has got a lot of work to do over the next few weeks and he needs the full backing of Randy to rebuild this team...by my reckoning TS should have somewhere between £50-60m to spend, of which he still has £30-40m to invest in the team after the signings of Gueye and Amavi.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 19, 2015, 06:59:59 PM

I'm really happy w Amavi and gueye. But we could do with some players with real premier league pedigree. We're extremely short on that now especially in midfield and attack.

If Tim thinks he can get the best out of adebayor then I'm coming round to it. Especially if we get an up coming kid to bring through.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 19, 2015, 07:07:46 PM

Quote from: KRS on July 19, 2015, 06:54:47 PM

I can't see how anyone who is contemplating Adebayor as being a good move can have the audacity to scoff at signing Lambert...they may have PL experience but they are both old, have no resale value and would demand excessive wages. We do need some players with PL experience added to the squad (may be a few loans) but I hope TS has the common sense to avoid this pair.

Interesting piece just on SSN...we have lost almost half the team that started the FA Cup final just 7 weeks ago...

Given
Vlaar
Cleverley
Delph
Benteke

...the spine of this team may have been completely removed but for the majority of last season we were spineless with or without them on the pitch. TS has got a lot of work to do over the next few weeks and he needs the full backing of Randy to rebuild this team...by my reckoning TS should have somewhere between £50-60m to spend, of which he still has £30-40m to invest in the team after the signings of Gueye and Amavi.

Good post. I remember after the FA Cup final thinking "I won't be sorry to see any of these fekkers piss off" well it looks like I get my wish and most of them are. I am angry at Delph pissing around but honestly the entire team didnt show up for the past few games of the season. Its not like we are having a winning squad broken up. We are having a losing squad broken up.


If we start the new season with a more hardworking and rounded squad who work for each other then I can get on board.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on July 19, 2015, 07:12:38 PM

A big problem with Adebayor is that he has hardly played in the last 12 months.  Twice in the last 6 months he has been given compassionate leave to go back to Africa to sort out his family problems.  His family are basket cases and have caused him problems throughout his career but over the last 12 months things have really got out of control.

I would stay well away from him until he can guarantee that his family issues are cleared up and then I would only look at a year by year contract at best.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: FatSam on July 19, 2015, 07:21:52 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 19, 2015, 02:35:08 PM

Stephen Ireland never played well for us. Adebayor played excellently for Tottenham when Sherwood was in charge. It's hardly a like-for-like comparison.

I don't think there is such a thing as a like-for-like comparison when it comes to footballers, but I also don't think we're going to agree about Adebayor even if I found one.

Sure, if he was motivated, didn't command too high a fee, fitted into our wage structure etc. it could be fine. However, his relationship with each club he has played for has followed a similar path, and he made the same move as Delph a few years ago. It just rings all the alarm bells for me.

If Sherwood signed him I would support him, and give him the clean slate mentioned by another poster. I'd be happily proven wrong.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 19, 2015, 07:48:44 PM

Quote from: RussellC on July 19, 2015, 06:13:48 PM

Whilst I agree that there's more value to be had in Europe we also need to be mindful that we've lost a lot of Premier League experience in Vlaar, Delph, Cleverley and (sadly) Benteke. I'd be more inclined to bring in a couple of staple Premier League players to fill the more pressing gaps in the side now.

I agree with this. A deal for Leroy Fer, or dare I say it, Tom Huddlestone might make some sense. Perhaps neither of those, but the point stands, we may need a couple of old lags who can help some of the new players settle in.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on July 19, 2015, 07:52:34 PM

the only possible deal should be a season long loan by which time he will have lost interest. saying he may come good reminds me of:

nzobia will be fine is he redisovers his 6 month good spell at newcastle

joe cole will be fine if he rediscovers his chelsea form

senderos will be fine if he stays fit

ireland will be find if he rediscovers his one good season form

pires will be great if he rediscovers his arsenal form

 

i love our optimism but bugger me adebeyor aint the answer

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villan from luton on July 19, 2015, 08:04:38 PM

Quote from: Newby on July 19, 2015, 07:48:44 PM

Quote from: RussellC on July 19, 2015, 06:13:48 PM

Whilst I agree that there's more value to be had in Europe we also need to be mindful that we've lost a lot of Premier League experience in Vlaar, Delph, Cleverley and (sadly) Benteke. I'd be more inclined to bring in a couple of staple Premier League players to fill the more pressing gaps in the side now.

I agree with this. A deal for Leroy Fer, or dare I say it, Tom Huddlestone might make some sense. Perhaps neither of those, but the point stands, we may need a couple of old lags who can help some of the new players settle in.

How many relegations has Leroy Fer had?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 19, 2015, 08:34:04 PM

BetFred reckon we'll be talking to Charlie Austin on Weds.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: richard moore on July 19, 2015, 08:39:41 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 19, 2015, 08:34:04 PM

BetFred reckon we'll be talking to Charlie Austin on Weds.

While none of the options are totally ideal, I favour this one the most as he will hit the ground running and has hardened Premier league experience; perhaps backed up by a younger foreign forward. We just can't afford to take the gamble on the latter given our back ups are Gabby and Kozak - a very scary thought. Kozak may come good but we just don't have enough evidence at the moment to be sure.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 19, 2015, 08:41:58 PM

Quote from: richard moore on July 19, 2015, 08:39:41 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 19, 2015, 08:34:04 PM

BetFred reckon we'll be talking to Charlie Austin on Weds.

While none of the options are totally ideal, I favour this one the most as he will hit the ground running and has hardened Premier league experience; perhaps backed up by a younger foreign forward. We just can't afford to take the gamble on the latter given our back ups are Gabby and Kozak - a very scary thought. Kozak may come good but we just don't have enough evidence at the moment to be sure.

If we're getting Austin, we're pretty much pinning all our hopes on Kozak being able to play the target man, based on what I saw of QPR last season.  At least 50% of their play seemed to be hit Zamora early and hope Austin has guessed right.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 19, 2015, 08:45:54 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 19, 2015, 08:34:04 PM

BetFred reckon we'll be talking to Charlie Austin on Weds.

This.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 19, 2015, 08:52:34 PM

Quote from: Stirchley Villain on July 19, 2015, 08:45:54 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 19, 2015, 08:34:04 PM

BetFred reckon we'll be talking to Charlie Austin on Weds.

This.

I hope not.  If so we'll need to spend another 15m on a player to supply him with the chances...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 19, 2015, 08:58:07 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 19, 2015, 08:41:58 PM

Quote from: richard moore on July 19, 2015, 08:39:41 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 19, 2015, 08:34:04 PM

BetFred reckon we'll be talking to Charlie Austin on Weds.

While none of the options are totally ideal, I favour this one the most as he will hit the ground running and has hardened Premier league experience; perhaps backed up by a younger foreign forward. We just can't afford to take the gamble on the latter given our back ups are Gabby and Kozak - a very scary thought. Kozak may come good but we just don't have enough evidence at the moment to be sure.

If we're getting Austin, we're pretty much pinning all our hopes on Kozak being able to play the target man, based on what I saw of QPR last season.  At least 50% of their play seemed to be hit Zamora early and hope Austin has guessed right.

I mostly agree, he comes across as a player who only comes alive in the box which means you have to play him with someone, either a big guy who will get flick ons for him or someone with the vision make things happen with 1 or 2 touch through balls around the box.  I don't think we have either of those - Kozak isn't a target man, I've said before, he doesn't look comfortable with his back to goal and the only players who might be able to offer the alternative are Grealish and Gil who are both very inexperienced.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villan from luton on July 19, 2015, 09:05:53 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 19, 2015, 08:41:58 PM

Quote from: richard moore on July 19, 2015, 08:39:41 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 19, 2015, 08:34:04 PM

BetFred reckon we'll be talking to Charlie Austin on Weds.

While none of the options are totally ideal, I favour this one the most as he will hit the ground running and has hardened Premier league experience; perhaps backed up by a younger foreign forward. We just can't afford to take the gamble on the latter given our back ups are Gabby and Kozak - a very scary thought. Kozak may come good but we just don't have enough evidence at the moment to be sure.

If we're getting Austin, we're pretty much pinning all our hopes on Kozak being able to play the target man, based on what I saw of QPR last season.  At least 50% of their play seemed to be hit Zamora early and hope Austin has guessed right.

Not so sure about that, he aint Benteke for sure, but he is a good player

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 19, 2015, 09:13:36 PM

Quote from: paul_e on July 19, 2015, 08:58:07 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 19, 2015, 08:41:58 PM

Quote from: richard moore on July 19, 2015, 08:39:41 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 19, 2015, 08:34:04 PM

BetFred reckon we'll be talking to Charlie Austin on Weds.

While none of the options are totally ideal, I favour this one the most as he will hit the ground running and has hardened Premier league experience; perhaps backed up by a younger foreign forward. We just can't afford to take the gamble on the latter given our back ups are Gabby and Kozak - a very scary thought. Kozak may come good but we just don't have enough evidence at the moment to be sure.

If we're getting Austin, we're pretty much pinning all our hopes on Kozak being able to play the target man, based on what I saw of QPR last season.  At least 50% of their play seemed to be hit Zamora early and hope Austin has guessed right.

I mostly agree, he comes across as a player who only comes alive in the box which means you have to play him with someone, either a big guy who will get flick ons for him or someone with the vision make things happen with 1 or 2 touch through balls around the box.  I don't think we have either of those - Kozak isn't a target man, I've said before, he doesn't look comfortable with his back to goal and the only players who might be able to offer the alternative are Grealish and Gil who are both very inexperienced.

I agree.  I maybe didn't express it very clearly, but I don't think he's a traditional target man either (based on the little I've seen of him). Maybe "adapt to being able to play the target man" would have been better

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 19, 2015, 09:17:22 PM

Talking to him on Weds? What will we be doing on Monday and Tuesday then?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 19, 2015, 09:18:11 PM

If Carlsberg did Pre-Seasons, this wouldn't be one of them.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 19, 2015, 09:19:04 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 19, 2015, 09:18:11 PM

If Carlsberg did Pre-Seasons, this wouldn't be one of them.

FFS, what on earth does that mean?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 19, 2015, 09:21:34 PM

Quote from: Des Little on July 19, 2015, 09:17:22 PM

Talking to him on Weds? What will we be doing on Monday and Tuesday then?

Well on Tuesday we're off to Swindon.

At least I hope we are,  otherwise I'm going to Swindon for no reason.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 19, 2015, 09:21:43 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 19, 2015, 09:18:11 PM

If Carlsberg did Pre-Seasons, this wouldn't be one of them.

Do you ever get bored of this pointless nihilistic doomism?

What the fuck do you even mean?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 19, 2015, 09:22:17 PM

Quote from: Des Little on July 19, 2015, 09:17:22 PM

Talking to him on Weds? What will we be doing on Monday and Tuesday then?

Not sure but I'd guess XBox.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 19, 2015, 09:23:09 PM

I don't recall a lack of Premier League experience stopping the likes of Benteke. The only time it might be an issue is where the player comes from a very slow league like Italy or Eastern Europe. Players from France, Spain, Germany, Belgium etc. don't have as much of an issue settling.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr woo on July 19, 2015, 09:28:09 PM

With ref to Silhillvillas 'carlsberg post'...  (I'm struggling to quote it on a phone)...

Well, it's not ideal is it to be fair? I think you're being a little harsh on the original poster.

Is there a bit of history here?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Summers on July 19, 2015, 09:28:32 PM

Quote from: Des Little on July 19, 2015, 09:17:22 PM

Talking to him on Weds? What will we be doing on Monday and Tuesday then?

He's busy talking to QPR and Newcastle on Monday and Tuesday.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 19, 2015, 09:35:01 PM

Quote from: Summers on July 19, 2015, 09:28:32 PM

Quote from: Des Little on July 19, 2015, 09:17:22 PM

Talking to him on Weds? What will we be doing on Monday and Tuesday then?

He's busy talking to QPR and Newcastle on Monday and Tuesday.

We've got to make sure the Benteke cheque is cashed first......

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Summers on July 19, 2015, 09:36:58 PM

I'd like Austin at Villa. He'll cost more than some of the names (of similar or better quality) around Europe.. but he'll hit the ground running. He knows the league. We need a striker who won't need to settle. It's a smart move.

Not 100% sure it'll happen, but I'm all for this.. However.. I'm also the one person who wouldn't be against Adebayor coming in if the deal was financially right.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 19, 2015, 09:40:56 PM

That oulare looks like an absolute beast and very promising

But he's 19, not a regular starter yet and only has two league goals. So would have to be backed up with someone to go straight in

Wouldn't be at al averse to Austin as long as we have a plan to integrate him. I don't think he's a target man

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 19, 2015, 09:41:30 PM

Quote from: Des Little on July 19, 2015, 09:17:22 PM

Talking to him on Weds? What will we be doing on Monday and Tuesday then?

Fox explained earlier:

met Austin on Monday
Took him for a drink on Tuesday
We were talking by Wednesday
And on Thursday & Friday & Saturday we chilled on Sunday

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 19, 2015, 09:42:27 PM

Quote from: Duncan Shaw on July 19, 2015, 09:35:01 PM

Quote from: Summers on July 19, 2015, 09:28:32 PM

Quote from: Des Little on July 19, 2015, 09:17:22 PM

Talking to him on Weds? What will we be doing on Monday and Tuesday then?

He's busy talking to QPR and Newcastle on Monday and Tuesday.

We've got to make sure the Benteke cheque is cashed first......

Well the first installment anyway. They are buying him on HP.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villan from luton on July 19, 2015, 09:42:40 PM

Quote from: Summers on July 19, 2015, 09:36:58 PM

I'd like Austin at Villa. He'll cost more than some of the names (of similar or better quality) around Europe.. but he'll hit the ground running. He knows the league. We need a striker who won't need to settle. It's a smart move.

Not 100% sure it'll happen, but I'm all for this.. However.. I'm also the one person who wouldn't be against Adebayor coming in if the deal was financially right.

I wouldn't mind Adebayor either you equally dopey git

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 19, 2015, 09:52:52 PM

Wouldn't touch Adebayor with a barge's wotsit, and that Austin geezer just ain't good enough imho.


Look elsewhere.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 19, 2015, 09:56:26 PM

Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 19, 2015, 09:52:52 PM

Wouldn't touch Adebayor with a barge's wotsit, and that Austin geezer just ain't good enough imho.


Look elsewhere.

Austin will score goals given the service. His goalscoring record has been superb at wherever level he's played at, including in a very poor QPR team.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 19, 2015, 10:06:46 PM

We're in danger of being like the redscouse over Benteke if we think Austin isn't god enough for us.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 19, 2015, 10:07:55 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 19, 2015, 09:56:26 PM

Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 19, 2015, 09:52:52 PM

Wouldn't touch Adebayor with a barge's wotsit, and that Austin geezer just ain't good enough imho.

Look elsewhere.

Austin will score goals given the service. His goalscoring record has been superb at wherever level he's played at, including in a very poor QPR team.

I kind of agree, but possibly not for the reasons you meant.  If we sign Austin then we will need to sign another player of a comparable value to create the chances for him.  Said it before, but Jovetic is scratching his arse at City and would be an ideal loan/purchase.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on July 19, 2015, 10:09:47 PM

Quote from: Duncan Shaw on July 19, 2015, 10:06:46 PM

We're in danger of being like the redscouse over Benteke if we think Austin isn't god enough for us.

Very true. He'd do for me.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 19, 2015, 10:11:03 PM

I honestly haven't seen enough of Austin to judge. His scoring record is very good. Is he "just" a goalscorer like Bent used to be or can he hold the ball up and bring others into the game too?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 19, 2015, 10:11:53 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 19, 2015, 10:07:55 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 19, 2015, 09:56:26 PM

Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 19, 2015, 09:52:52 PM

Wouldn't touch Adebayor with a barge's wotsit, and that Austin geezer just ain't good enough imho.

Look elsewhere.

Austin will score goals given the service. His goalscoring record has been superb at wherever level he's played at, including in a very poor QPR team.

I kind of agree, but possibly not for the reasons you meant.  If we sign Austin then we will need to sign another player of a comparable value to create the chances for him.  Said it before, but Jovetic is scratching his arse at City and would be an ideal loan/purchase.

yeh maybe but I think there is creativity in our side. I think of how Gil and Grealish will mature, Sinclair, and also now Amavi. To your point I think we'll buy a couple more too I imagine, maybe not of that value but good players. And also QPR found ways to get the ball to him so I think we'd be ok.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 19, 2015, 10:14:15 PM

Quote from: Duncan Shaw on July 19, 2015, 10:06:46 PM

We're in danger of being like the redscouse over Benteke if we think Austin isn't god enough for us.

There's a difference between thinking he's not good enough for us and thinking he's not a good fit for us.

Personally I'm in the second group.  I think it would be like re-booting the Darren Bent conundrum - either you have the entire team built around him to get anything like the best return or you're wasting a shirt.

We've been bitching about one dimensional football since the latter end of Gregory's days, pretty much without a break apart from some brief exceptions.
Nailing us into one pattern of play, just as we've seen some semblance of fluidity for the first time in over a decade seems a bit foolish to me.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 19, 2015, 10:14:35 PM

I saw Austin about 5 times last season which is nowhere near enough to judge the player but he looked streets ahead of Bent as a player and took on a shot very early whenever he could. I would like him in but the local media seen adamant he is not in our thoughts.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: warleyboy on July 19, 2015, 10:16:56 PM

I really think Kozak could be a shining star this season, and looking at the way we may set up, I feel 1 striker is all we will be using with Gil, Grealish, playing off the front man.
I would bring in Adebayor on a 12 month contract and bring in Bamford on loan for the season.
I would spend any serious money available on a quality midfielder and Centre Back.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 19, 2015, 10:18:58 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 19, 2015, 10:14:35 PM

I saw Austin about 5 times last season which is nowhere near enough to judge the player but he looked streets ahead of Bent as a player and took on a shot very early whenever he could. I would like him in but the local media seen adamant he is not in our thoughts.

If the local media don't think he's going to be signing then it's nailed on he'll be signing!

I like him, and I think he's good for a solid 15-20 goals a year in all competitions.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 19, 2015, 10:19:24 PM

Austin Villa. There's your headline for Thursday morning chaps

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 19, 2015, 10:20:26 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 19, 2015, 10:11:53 PM

yeh maybe but I think there is creativity in our side. I think of how Gil and Grealish will mature, Sinclair, and also now Amavi. To your point I think we'll buy a couple more too I imagine, maybe not of that value but good players. And also QPR found ways to get the ball to him so I think we'd be ok.

from the goals I saw him score for QPR, the play generally bypassed the equivalent of our creative players and were largely a consequence of knock downs and instinctive whacks.  I'm not convinced.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 19, 2015, 10:21:14 PM

Quote from: Duncan Shaw on July 19, 2015, 10:06:46 PM

We're in danger of being like the redscouse over Benteke if we think Austin isn't god enough for us.

I didn't say Austin wasn't good enough for us.
But imho he has done well being part (at least half) of a striking partnership...the idea that most on here have floated re Austin is that he has scored x number of goals in the Prem and will automatically do the same with us.
I don't think it's as simple as that.
We will need to completely change the way we play (nothing wrong with that - much needed perhaps).
 
Bent will score goals given the service, but we didn't.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 19, 2015, 10:23:47 PM

15 instinctive whacks a season and I am all good!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 19, 2015, 10:25:25 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 19, 2015, 10:23:47 PM

15 instinctive whacks a season and I am all good!

yeh me too. I wish Gabby could score 10 goals from whacks and knock downs, let alone 15!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 19, 2015, 10:29:27 PM

Im not sure what Austin was valued at last week (£10m ?) but now qpr know we have the Benteke money (or first instalment) , the price has just gone up.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 19, 2015, 10:29:42 PM

I honestly picked this at random, but in the 20 goals only 5 (if I counted correctly) involved more than one touch.

Their might be more to his game but I don't ever recall him working the channels  or linking play.  It is unfair to compare him to Benteke but he did all of the above AND scored goals.  I'd prefer that we aim high and fail than play it "safe" (=15m quid).  In fact I'd be inclined to throw the dice with what we have with Gabby and Kozak ahead of Austin (assuming the money is still spent somewhere else).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 19, 2015, 10:32:20 PM

Austin gets the ball into the net. That's all that matters . We need him or a similar goal scorer .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on July 19, 2015, 10:32:47 PM

I would agree with all the negative stuff about Adebayor it wasn't for one thing,
 Sherwood knows him
He's worked with him, seen what his attitude is in training, knows if he's lazy on or of the pitch, seen how he is around other team mates, knows all the bits and pieces we will never know.

So I just think if Sherwood thinks he's worth bringing in then maybe it's not the worst thing in the world

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 19, 2015, 10:34:08 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 19, 2015, 10:29:27 PM

Im not sure what Austin was valued at last week (£10m ?) but now qpr know we have the Benteke money (or first instalment) , the price has just gone up.

If only we hadn't told anyone we were selling him. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 19, 2015, 10:34:14 PM

Austin is a finisher who is alive in the box but doesn't do much outside of it. I'm not saying there's anything particularly wrong with that, it's just not, in my opinion, what we need, I think Kozak can fill that role for us and I don't really see the sense in spending £15m on another poacher in case the one we have doesn't recover from his injury.  I'm not saying I certain Kozak will be fine I'm just saying we can't really afford to replace him without seeing if we need to. I'd much rather we concentrate on bringing in someone with the potential to be better than both and then we avoid putting too many expensive barriers between that guy and the first 11. If we could sell Gabby I'd be more tempted to do the whole 1 experienced and 1 prospect thing that people are calling for but otherwise Gabby and Kozak have got to be our experienced options for the season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on July 19, 2015, 10:34:29 PM

Quote from: warleyboy on July 19, 2015, 10:16:56 PM

I really think Kozak could be a shining star this season, and looking at the way we may set up, I feel 1 striker is all we will be using with Gil, Grealish, playing off the front man.
I would bring in Adebayor on a 12 month contract and bring in Bamford on loan for the season.
I would spend any serious money available on a quality midfielder and Centre Back.

If Kozak scores 10 next season i'll be surprised tbh.

We are not going to pay a transfer fee then give out a 12 month contract, unless you're aged between 33-35 what premiership player is going to sign that deal.

Also using us as a platform for giving experience to other teams players would be another dumb move, unless there's a view to buy added.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 19, 2015, 10:35:27 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 19, 2015, 10:34:08 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 19, 2015, 10:29:27 PM

Im not sure what Austin was valued at last week (£10m ?) but now qpr know we have the Benteke money (or first instalment) , the price has just gone up.

If only we hadn't told anyone we were selling him.

We knew he was likely to go, we should have done our business prior to the inevitable sale. That's the point I'm making.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 19, 2015, 10:35:49 PM

We have to get in "goal scorers" Austin is a goal scorer. And a proven Prem player. Along with an attacking midfielder and aerial ball winning CH. (do no think Richards is dominant enough) The rest can be loans or our own younger players as second choices Kinsella-Robinson-Gardner etc .....

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Monty on July 19, 2015, 10:36:55 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 19, 2015, 10:32:20 PM

Austin gets the ball into the net. That's all that matters . We need him or a similar goal scorer .

You're right, it's alchemy. Somehow, when he's on the pitch, the ball goes in. What the rest of the team does has nothing to do with it, and we probably shouldn't look into it too deep.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 19, 2015, 10:38:01 PM

Quote from: john e on July 19, 2015, 10:32:47 PM

I would agree with all the negative stuff about Adebayor it wasn't for one thing,
 Sherwood knows him
He's worked with him, seen what his attitude is in training, knows if he's lazy on or of the pitch, seen how he is around other team mates, knows all the bits and pieces we will never know.

So I just think if Sherwood thinks he's worth bring inning in then maybe it's not the worst thing in the world

A simple but very good point.  Sherwood will personally know more about him than any amount of our speculation.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 19, 2015, 10:43:19 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 19, 2015, 10:35:27 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 19, 2015, 10:34:08 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 19, 2015, 10:29:27 PM

Im not sure what Austin was valued at last week (£10m ?) but now qpr know we have the Benteke money (or first instalment) , the price has just gone up.

If only we hadn't told anyone we were selling him.

We knew he was likely to go, we should have done our business prior to the inevitable sale. That's the point I'm making.

Or maybe we have?  Why hasn't he moved yet?  Maybe there is a deal struck based on the Benteke deal being complete?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 19, 2015, 10:43:24 PM

Quote from: Monty on July 19, 2015, 10:36:55 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 19, 2015, 10:32:20 PM

Austin gets the ball into the net. That's all that matters . We need him or a similar goal scorer .

You're right, it's alchemy. Somehow, when he's on the pitch, the ball goes in. What the rest of the team does has nothing to do with it, and we probably shouldn't look into it too deep.

Austin could be the next Darren Bent.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 19, 2015, 10:46:40 PM

Quote from: Monty on July 19, 2015, 10:36:55 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 19, 2015, 10:32:20 PM

Austin gets the ball into the net. That's all that matters . We need him or a similar goal scorer .

You're right, it's alchemy. Somehow, when he's on the pitch, the ball goes in. What the rest of the team does has nothing to do with it, and we probably shouldn't look into it too deep.

Like Darren Bent then.

And the ball didn't go in alchemistically enough, obviously!



The rest of the team DOES has something to do with it as they have to play a system that allows the goalscorer the opportunity to score goals.
Our system last season seemed to be, once he was fit - give it to Benteke!

I don't think we could just give it to Austin.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 19, 2015, 10:47:03 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 19, 2015, 10:14:35 PM

I saw Austin about 5 times last season which is nowhere near enough to judge the player but he looked streets ahead of Bent as a player and took on a shot very early whenever he could. I would like him in but the local media seen adamant he is not in our thoughts.

I'd agree with this. I don't see Austin as very similar at all to Bent, aside from the fact that they're both good finishers. He does a lot more outside of the box, takes the shot on from distance and generally holds the ball-up fairly well. I think his reliance on Zamora last season is being massively over-played, probably because he scored one goal against us (of the 3) from a Zamora knock-down.

This video is worth a watch, as it shows the other sides to his game;

https://youtu.be/67zF2r4Jx-E

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Summers on July 19, 2015, 10:49:56 PM

Austin can play from deep, score long range goals, and be involved in build up play. He's more than just a poacher.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: berneboy on July 19, 2015, 10:56:13 PM

Quote from: Des Little on July 19, 2015, 10:19:24 PM

Austin Villa. There's your headline for Thursday morning chaps

I like this.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 19, 2015, 11:07:49 PM

Quote from: Monty on July 19, 2015, 10:36:55 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 19, 2015, 10:32:20 PM

Austin gets the ball into the net. That's all that matters . We need him or a similar goal scorer .

You're right, it's alchemy. Somehow, when he's on the pitch, the ball goes in. What the rest of the team does has nothing to do with it, and we probably shouldn't look into it too deep.

I wouldn't worry about him looking into anything too deeply.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 19, 2015, 11:12:57 PM

Quote from: RussellC on July 19, 2015, 10:47:03 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 19, 2015, 10:14:35 PM

I saw Austin about 5 times last season which is nowhere near enough to judge the player but he looked streets ahead of Bent as a player and took on a shot very early whenever he could. I would like him in but the local media seen adamant he is not in our thoughts.

I'd agree with this. I don't see Austin as very similar at all to Bent, aside from the fact that they're both good finishers. He does a lot more outside of the box, takes the shot on from distance and generally holds the ball-up fairly well. I think his reliance on Zamora last season is being massively over-played, probably because he scored one goal against us (of the 3) from a Zamora knock-down.

This video is worth a watch, as it shows the other sides to his game;

https://youtu.be/67zF2r4Jx-E

I watched this video I came to the opposite conclusion.  However i think my mind is made up so will duck out and let others discuss his merits or otherwise.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 19, 2015, 11:14:52 PM

I think Austin would be a shit signing.

It would send as clear a message as possible that we hadn't learned a fucking thing from the relentless circus we've endured for not just the last 5 years, but long before that too.

Look at Christian Benteke. Then look at Charlie Austin. How the Fuck is that supposed to work then?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 19, 2015, 11:17:02 PM

Some posters only seem capable of posting negative comments, regardless of what's going on. It would be nice to have a change of pace.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 19, 2015, 11:21:27 PM

My post isn't negative, because I don't think The Magnificent Aston Villa would be stupid enough to do it.

Anymore.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 19, 2015, 11:25:51 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 19, 2015, 11:14:52 PM

I think Austin would be a shit signing.

It would send as clear a message as possible that we hadn't learned a fucking thing from the relentless circus we've endured for not just the last 5 years, but long before that too.

Look at Christian Benteke. Then look at Charlie Austin. How the Fuck is that supposed to work then?

I'm inclined to agree.

In the summer of 2012, Yakubu had just scored 17 goals for Blackburn and Holt had scored 15 for Norwich. Lambert could easily have taken the easy route and gone with "well, we shouldn't take a risk and just spend our £7m on somebody who has proven they can score in the Premier League", but fortunately he didn't. I'm pretty certain that there were plenty of people at the time saying that we shouldn't be taking a risk in spending so much of our meagre budget on someone who hardly anybody had heard of.

Austin might not necessarily go on the same downward career spiral as the two examples at the top, but I'd be perfectly happy to take our chances on somebody who might be the next Benteke but might turn out to be less than that, over somebody that we know is going to be Charlie Austin.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 19, 2015, 11:29:13 PM

Great example Dave.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 19, 2015, 11:31:36 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 19, 2015, 11:21:27 PM

My post isn't negative, because I don't think The Magnificent Aston Villa would be stupid enough to do it.

Anymore.

The incomings have been refreshing this year. There seems to be a profile of young, athletic, good value and of a good enough calibre that people keep telling us that they should be playing for a Champions League side. Austin doesn't seem to fall within those values. Adebayor doesn't either but he is somebody that Sherwood knows how to get the best out of so could be a stop gap. It would be no surprise if there's been a plan for replacing Benteke that meets the established criteria.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 19, 2015, 11:36:24 PM

Exactly, it's not rocket science but you've got to stick to it.

For what it's worth, I think Austin has got Newcastle, injury problems and tabloid cocaine revelations stamped all over him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 19, 2015, 11:36:30 PM

I think the big difference though I'd back then we did have a guaranteed goal scorer in Bent when Benteke arrived. There was a safety net to that signing. I think we should be going for a player like Oulare for example that seems to have talent but we also need goals from day 1. It is why I am not adverse to Adebayor and a younger prospect.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 19, 2015, 11:45:49 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 19, 2015, 11:36:30 PM

I think the big difference though I'd back then we did have a guaranteed goal scorer in Bent when Benteke arrived. There was a safety net to that signing. I think we should be going for a player like Oulare for example that seems to have talent but we also need goals from day 1. It is why I am not adverse to Adebayor and a younger prospect.

If that's how it panned out, it would be very logical. If Adebayor came in first though, I can just imagine the reaction.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on July 19, 2015, 11:50:14 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 19, 2015, 11:25:51 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 19, 2015, 11:14:52 PM

I think Austin would be a shit signing.

It would send as clear a message as possible that we hadn't learned a fucking thing from the relentless circus we've endured for not just the last 5 years, but long before that too.

Look at Christian Benteke. Then look at Charlie Austin. How the Fuck is that supposed to work then?

I'm inclined to agree.

In the summer of 2012, Yakubu had just scored 17 goals for Blackburn and Holt had scored 15 for Norwich. Lambert could easily have taken the easy route and gone with "well, we shouldn't take a risk and just spend our £7m on somebody who has proven they can score in the Premier League", but fortunately he didn't. I'm pretty certain that there were plenty of people at the time saying that we shouldn't be taking a risk in spending so much of our meagre budget on someone who hardly anybody had heard of.

Austin might not necessarily go on the same downward career spiral as the two examples at the top, but I'd be perfectly happy to take our chances on somebody who might be the next Benteke but might turn out to be less than that, over somebody that we know is going to be Charlie Austin.

I agree with the principle. 

But we were linked with Jurgen Locadia last year, as he had just started to make waves at PSV. Fees of £7-10 million were mentioned.

This year, he's been largely confined to PSV's second team. 

That's the risk you take. Not every player will make the transition as smoothly as Benteke.

So there is an argument to bring in a player who knows the league and has a history of scoring goals here -and one who ideally has more in the tank than Yakubu, Holt and Adebayor. In the current climate, I don't think the fees being touted for Austin are unrealistic.

A second striker -if we go that route- could be more of a punt. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Leighton on July 19, 2015, 11:50:42 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 19, 2015, 11:36:24 PM

For what it's worth, I think Austin has got Newcastle, injury problems and tabloid cocaine revelations stamped all over him.

Is that why they call him Charlie then?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 19, 2015, 11:53:52 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 19, 2015, 11:36:30 PM

I think the big difference though I'd back then we did have a guaranteed goal scorer in Bent when Benteke arrived. There was a safety net to that signing. I think we should be going for a player like Oulare for example that seems to have talent but we also need goals from day 1. It is why I am not adverse to Adebayor and a younger prospect.

but then where do Gabby and Kozak fit in if we are, as seems to be the case, looking to play 1 up front with Gil/Grealish/Sinclair playing off them?  I suspect the answer regarding Gabby will be vitriolic, and I won't massively disagree with the sentiment but he's still a Villa player and is highly unlikely to stop being one this summer so do we bomb squad him/them for a season or do we put some trust in the pair of them and hope they can provide 20-25 goals between them for the season?  Given our finances and our needs elsewhere in the squad I just don't see how we can approach the striker position, this summer, with an attitude of buying a main man and his understudy and ignoring the 2 experienced strikers we have on the books.

If we're shopping for a commanding experienced player to come in and hit the ground running that, in my opinion, needs to be the replacement for Delph rather than the replacement for Benteke.  Our midfield hasn't worked, as a unit, for 3 years fixing that will go a long way to resolving the worst of our problems.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 20, 2015, 12:00:35 AM

Quote from: KevinGage on July 19, 2015, 11:50:14 PM

That's the risk you take. Not every player will make the transition as smoothly as Benteke.

Sorry to pick just one part of your post, but the above would still have been justification for not buying Benteke in the first place.

You're right, we could buy a dud if we try to get the next Benteke and I'm not going to be spitting feathers if we spend that money on Austin (like I would if we spent that money on Andros f*cking Townsend). But put it this way, if Austin is going to cost us £15m then I would much rather see what the striking equivalent of Gueye or Amavi looks like if we spend that same £15m on him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 20, 2015, 12:01:41 AM

One has managed 12 goals in 3 seasons, and 1 has been out for 18 months. Currently our highest scoring midfielder from last season has not been replaced and our best midfielder has been replaced with a guy who looks the part but may take time to settle. I agree, resolving the midfield will help no end, but we are nowhere remotely close to doing so.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Drummond on July 20, 2015, 12:02:14 AM

Well we're odds on for Adebayor and Townsend and favourites for Austin.

We'd certainly be less predictable.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 20, 2015, 12:17:32 AM

Quote from: Drummond on July 20, 2015, 12:02:14 AM

Well we're odds on for Adebayor and Townsend and favourites for Austin.

We'd certainly be less predictable.

I don't really get the anti-Townsend sentiment from some. He's a winger and wingers are notoriously unpredictable. Mark Walters had one brilliant game in 6 but its the brilliance you remember. How many other teams would have said the same about Tony Daley being over hyped and overrated? I'd have him here like a shot. Not a Tonev one mind more of a Benteke one.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on July 20, 2015, 12:24:38 AM

My preference for a front man would be Callum Wilson.

He gave Vlaar the run around when he came on in the Cup last season and looked a nightmare to defend against.

He would be my preference ahead of Bamford, Rhodes, Gestede, Austin etc

Good to see us linked with him today, from the area and will know what playing for AVFC is all about

Will be disgusted to see the likes of Townsend and Abedayor stealing a living from the club, Kyle Walker and Dembele please instead

Also Alex Pritchard did very well at Brentford last season, good set piece taker of which we dont have any and scored plenty of goals

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 20, 2015, 12:26:39 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 20, 2015, 12:01:41 AM

One has managed 12 goals in 3 seasons, and 1 has been out for 18 months. Currently our highest scoring midfielder from last season has not been replaced and our best midfielder has been replaced with a guy who looks the part but may take time to settle. I agree, resolving the midfield will help no end, but we are nowhere remotely close to doing so.

True, but that's what we've got to work with, unless we sell both and buy an entirely new strike force it's wrong to use those stats as justification for marginalising those 2 which is what buying 2 strikers would mean and both Adebayor and Austin would, in my opinion, have to be accompanied by another striker, Adebayor because he's too unpredictable and Austin because I just don't think he can play on his own (look at that video, where he does decent passes, etc it's always to a guy who's a couple of yards away, it's a trait of a guy who's spent his career playing 442 and knows where the support will be, there's no chance we'll be regularly playing that way this season).

Last season we were all panicked about having to trust gabby and weimann at the start of the season and it turned out to be the one good period we had before the spring.  I'd rather we sign beast mark 2 and use the squad to help him settle for a few months than we sign a fucking expensive interim solution, either instead of the player we really want or to act as a barrier to that player getting game time.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 20, 2015, 12:26:53 AM

Quote from: Dave on July 19, 2015, 11:25:51 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 19, 2015, 11:14:52 PM

I think Austin would be a shit signing.

It would send as clear a message as possible that we hadn't learned a fucking thing from the relentless circus we've endured for not just the last 5 years, but long before that too.

Look at Christian Benteke. Then look at Charlie Austin. How the Fuck is that supposed to work then?

I'm inclined to agree.

In the summer of 2012, Yakubu had just scored 17 goals for Blackburn and Holt had scored 15 for Norwich. Lambert could easily have taken the easy route and gone with "well, we shouldn't take a risk and just spend our £7m on somebody who has proven they can score in the Premier League", but fortunately he didn't. I'm pretty certain that there were plenty of people at the time saying that we shouldn't be taking a risk in spending so much of our meagre budget on someone who hardly anybody had heard of.

Austin might not necessarily go on the same downward career spiral as the two examples at the top, but I'd be perfectly happy to take our chances on somebody who might be the next Benteke but might turn out to be less than that, over somebody that we know is going to be Charlie Austin.

Talk about over simplification, sweeping generalisations and selective modelling. You do realise we are less than 3 weeks from our opening game don't you. Charlie Austin is about as good as we can go for now. Let's hope we can convince him to join.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 20, 2015, 12:30:06 AM

Quote from: brontebilly on July 20, 2015, 12:24:38 AM

My preference for a front man would be Callum Wilson.

He gave Vlaar the run around when he came on in the Cup last season and looked a nightmare to defend against.

He would be my preference ahead of Bamford, Rhodes, Gestede, Austin etc

Good to see us linked with him today, from the area and will know what playing for AVFC is all about

Will be disgusted to see the likes of Townsend and Abedayor stealing a living from the club, Kyle Walker and Dembele please instead

Also Alex Pritchard did very well at Brentford last season, good set piece taker of which we dont have any and scored plenty of goals

Wilson looked a real handful every time I saw Bournmouth on the TV. Good age too, but the fee could be high and convincing him difficult.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on July 20, 2015, 12:36:59 AM

Quote from: brontebilly on July 20, 2015, 12:24:38 AM

Also Alex Pritchard did very well at Brentford last season, good set piece taker of which we dont have any and scored plenty of goals

Haven't seen him play much but you're dead right about set pieces; that's an area we really haven't capitalised on for ages.  I don't want us to be like Big Sam's Bolton or anything, but there's got to be some middle ground between that and Westwood's floaty corners.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on July 20, 2015, 12:37:08 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 20, 2015, 12:30:06 AM

Quote from: brontebilly on July 20, 2015, 12:24:38 AM

My preference for a front man would be Callum Wilson.

He gave Vlaar the run around when he came on in the Cup last season and looked a nightmare to defend against.

He would be my preference ahead of Bamford, Rhodes, Gestede, Austin etc

Good to see us linked with him today, from the area and will know what playing for AVFC is all about

Will be disgusted to see the likes of Townsend and Abedayor stealing a living from the club, Kyle Walker and Dembele please instead

Also Alex Pritchard did very well at Brentford last season, good set piece taker of which we dont have any and scored plenty of goals

Wilson looked a real handful every time I saw Bournmouth on the TV. Good age too, but the fee could be high and convincing him difficult.

the fee will be over 10m anyway but I think he is worth the gamble

Bournemouth play nice football in a nice part of England but the Holte End fits more than their ground

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 20, 2015, 12:42:03 AM

Watching the youtube of the Belgian lad, you would have to play with width to get the best from him and get the ball across. If we are looking to play a different way he may not fit.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 20, 2015, 01:21:14 AM

I'd rather buy someone who has a built a bit of a reputation as a primary forward and then somehow incorporate Callum Robinson. He's a talented young player and would thrive being part of the first team set up. Adebayor wouldn't be the worst short term decision but there has to be forwards who are better all round options in Europe. We've secures two good players from the continent already so with the softer Euro vs the £ I'd stay there and find another gem.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 20, 2015, 01:41:14 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 20, 2015, 12:30:06 AM

Quote from: brontebilly on July 20, 2015, 12:24:38 AM

My preference for a front man would be Callum Wilson.

He gave Vlaar the run around when he came on in the Cup last season and looked a nightmare to defend against.

He would be my preference ahead of Bamford, Rhodes, Gestede, Austin etc

Good to see us linked with him today, from the area and will know what playing for AVFC is all about

Will be disgusted to see the likes of Townsend and Abedayor stealing a living from the club, Kyle Walker and Dembele please instead

Also Alex Pritchard did very well at Brentford last season, good set piece taker of which we dont have any and scored plenty of goals

Wilson looked a real handful every time I saw Bournmouth on the TV. Good age too, but the fee could be high and convincing him difficult.

I think he's from the West Midlands, so might welcome a return closer to home.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on July 20, 2015, 05:40:04 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 20, 2015, 12:26:53 AM

Quote from: Dave on July 19, 2015, 11:25:51 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 19, 2015, 11:14:52 PM

I think Austin would be a shit signing.

It would send as clear a message as possible that we hadn't learned a fucking thing from the relentless circus we've endured for not just the last 5 years, but long before that too.

Look at Christian Benteke. Then look at Charlie Austin. How the Fuck is that supposed to work then?

I'm inclined to agree.

In the summer of 2012, Yakubu had just scored 17 goals for Blackburn and Holt had scored 15 for Norwich. Lambert could easily have taken the easy route and gone with "well, we shouldn't take a risk and just spend our £7m on somebody who has proven they can score in the Premier League", but fortunately he didn't. I'm pretty certain that there were plenty of people at the time saying that we shouldn't be taking a risk in spending so much of our meagre budget on someone who hardly anybody had heard of.

Austin might not necessarily go on the same downward career spiral as the two examples at the top, but I'd be perfectly happy to take our chances on somebody who might be the next Benteke but might turn out to be less than that, over somebody that we know is going to be Charlie Austin.

Talk about over simplification, sweeping generalisations and selective modelling. You do realise we are less than 3 weeks from our opening game don't you. Charlie Austin is about as good as we can go for now. Let's hope we can convince him to join.

Over-simplification and sweeping generalisations? You mean like "Austin gets the ball into the net. That's all that matters ."?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 20, 2015, 06:03:19 AM

A big factor at the moment is a really significant lack of pedigree in this league right throughout the squad. People make the Southampton comparison but they retained a really strong spine - and obviously bought very well

Having a forward who knows what it takes in this league has lots of advantages. We don't want to be completely reliant on new faces no matter how promising.

I continue to come round to the adebayor signing.

Playing praet, Gil and grealish behind a striker sounds sexy. But there's no premier league goal between them and hardly any top flight goals anywhere.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 20, 2015, 06:40:06 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 20, 2015, 06:03:19 AM

A big factor at the moment is a really significant lack of pedigree in this league right throughout the squad. People make the Southampton comparison but they retained a really strong spine - and obviously bought very well

Having a forward who knows what it takes in this league has lots of advantages. We don't want to be completely reliant on new faces no matter how promising.

I continue to come round to the adebayor signing.

Playing praet, Gil and grealish behind a striker sounds sexy. But there's no premier league goal between them and hardly any top flight goals anywhere.

Completely agree with this. In isolation I would love us to try to unearth another foreign gem to replace Benteke and Delph but we have literally lost all of the Premiership pedigree from our squad in the past few weeks. Amavi and Gueye both look great, but the reality is that 90% of us hadn't heard of them 4 weeks ago. Perhaps Adebayor and Austin aren't the right answer but, at this stage, I would much rather bring in 2/3 players who know the league well and won't need time to adapt.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 20, 2015, 06:49:18 AM

If you run through our best eleven now it's pretty sobering.

Gueye might be great but other than that we're reliant on Westwood really stepping up and he's never looked that great in a two man midfield. I'm not sure if grealish and Gil can play together. And Sinclair, zoggy and gabby are all hot and cold.

The good news is there are plenty of other sides who don't have great pedigree or who have plenty of past it players - ahem Sunderland.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 20, 2015, 06:56:09 AM

I'm not too worried by what our squadooks like now. We are still doing business.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 20, 2015, 07:11:25 AM

Will be interesting if anything happens with Darder this week. Heavily linked in Spain even saying he would sign a 5 year deal this week but very little to nothing over here about it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 20, 2015, 07:16:40 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 20, 2015, 07:11:25 AM

Will be interesting if anything happens with Darder this week. Heavily linked in Spain even saying he would sign a 5 year deal this week but very little to nothing over here about it.

I'm in the minority but I wasn't impressed by his youtube montage, most of the time he was giving the ball away.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 20, 2015, 07:18:16 AM

Not sure he gave it away at all in the one I watched. Intercepted a fair bit though. Just shows how much we should trust YouTube!!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: boboonthecorner on July 20, 2015, 07:27:05 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 20, 2015, 07:11:25 AM

Will be interesting if anything happens with Darder this week. Heavily linked in Spain even saying he would sign a 5 year deal this week but very little to nothing over here about it.

After losing our two best players I'd love to know what was said to Amavi to convince him to complete the deal. I don't think we have a chance with Austin to be honest as he will look at the farce over the last two weeks and see better options. The guy from Bournemouth will be the same as he as the rest of his squad will be on a high and will take a look at the huge grey cloud above VP and think hes better off? Surely were not stupid enough to pay a fee for Adebayor?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 20, 2015, 07:27:58 AM

The only darder links I saw were Italian

Cd someone post one of these heavy Spanish links?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on July 20, 2015, 07:42:18 AM

I think if we're going to drag ourselves a little further away from relegation than we've been the past few seasons, it's going to have to come down to immense team spirit (which I think Sherwood/Wilkins is thereotically capable of instilling).

Bournemouth, Palace, Leicester, Newcastle, Norwich, Sunderland, Watford, Albion, West Ham - I see those as being the other teams who'll join us in the bottom half of the table next season, and honestly, I don't see a particular talent gap between us and any of them, as long as we buy well in the remaining five weeks of the window.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 20, 2015, 07:52:47 AM

Hasn't Darder just signed a new contract?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: MoetVillan on July 20, 2015, 08:25:46 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 20, 2015, 07:52:47 AM

Hasn't Darder just signed a new contract?

Didn't Delph?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 20, 2015, 08:53:01 AM

Don't know a great deal about this Callum Wilson chap but for the money being rumoured, it sounds a lot for someone unproven in the top flight.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 20, 2015, 08:54:53 AM

Watched Callum Wilson a few times. Seems really good at winding opposition players up and works really hard. Seems to score or set up quite a few goals.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 20, 2015, 09:00:31 AM

I worry about the lack of character and leadership within the current squad also. Seeing Gabby with the armband again last week really drove home how short of leaders we really are, even more so with Given gone. Managers often talk about needing big characters in and around the dressing room, but Joe Cole aside, I can't see many in our squad at present. I'm desperately trying not to be too negative, but I think Tim's still got a hell of a lot of work to do in this window if we're going to avoid another relegation battle.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 20, 2015, 09:07:26 AM

Quote from: RussellC on July 20, 2015, 09:00:31 AM

Seeing Gabby with the armband again last week really drove home how short of leaders we really are, even more so with Given gone. Managers often talk about needing big characters in and around the dressing room, but Joe Cole aside, I can't see many in our squad at present.

What makes Given a leader and Joe Cole a 'big character'?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 20, 2015, 09:54:48 AM

Quote from: Dave on July 20, 2015, 09:07:26 AM

Quote from: RussellC on July 20, 2015, 09:00:31 AM

Seeing Gabby with the armband again last week really drove home how short of leaders we really are, even more so with Given gone. Managers often talk about needing big characters in and around the dressing room, but Joe Cole aside, I can't see many in our squad at present.

What makes Given a leader and Joe Cole a 'big character'?

I'd give Micah the armband on the basis he's massive and likely to be in the first team. No offence to Agbonlahor but I hope he's not.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 20, 2015, 10:22:38 AM

Surely its a change for people to step up now? Leaders emerge, and I reckon Clark has been growing into that role for a while. Gardner might shock a few too. Westwood was captain of Crewe at 21. Richards is a big character by all accounts.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 20, 2015, 10:31:06 AM

Quote from: Dave on July 20, 2015, 09:07:26 AM

Quote from: RussellC on July 20, 2015, 09:00:31 AM

Seeing Gabby with the armband again last week really drove home how short of leaders we really are, even more so with Given gone. Managers often talk about needing big characters in and around the dressing room, but Joe Cole aside, I can't see many in our squad at present.

What makes Given a leader and Joe Cole a 'big character'?

Experience. And in Joe Cole's case previous success. Sherwood spoke on several occasions about Cole being a good player to have around for this very reason, and in particular as an influence on Grealish.

Are you disagreeing with the point then?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 20, 2015, 10:45:00 AM

Quote from: RussellC on July 20, 2015, 10:31:06 AM

Quote from: Dave on July 20, 2015, 09:07:26 AM

Quote from: RussellC on July 20, 2015, 09:00:31 AM

Seeing Gabby with the armband again last week really drove home how short of leaders we really are, even more so with Given gone. Managers often talk about needing big characters in and around the dressing room, but Joe Cole aside, I can't see many in our squad at present.

What makes Given a leader and Joe Cole a 'big character'?

Experience. And in Joe Cole's case previous success. Sherwood spoke on several occasions about Cole being a good player to have around for this very reason, and in particular as an influence on Grealish.

Are you disagreeing with the point then?

Just the examples that you give - the fact that are old doesn't mean that they are leaders of men. It just means they are old.

Carlos Sanchez has played in a World Cup quarter final - what is (for example) Shay Given going to be telling him about playing in big matches?

Vlaar leaving certainly opens up questions about leadership in the side, Given leaving is nothing more than a tiny footnote.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 20, 2015, 10:48:53 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 20, 2015, 07:16:40 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 20, 2015, 07:11:25 AM

Will be interesting if anything happens with Darder this week. Heavily linked in Spain even saying he would sign a 5 year deal this week but very little to nothing over here about it.

I'm in the minority but I wasn't impressed by his youtube montage, most of the time he was giving the ball away.

He'll fit in absolutely perfectly with us, then.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on July 20, 2015, 10:50:08 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 20, 2015, 10:48:53 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 20, 2015, 07:16:40 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 20, 2015, 07:11:25 AM

Will be interesting if anything happens with Darder this week. Heavily linked in Spain even saying he would sign a 5 year deal this week but very little to nothing over here about it.

I'm in the minority but I wasn't impressed by his youtube montage, most of the time he was giving the ball away.

He'll fit in absolutely perfectly with us, then.

Captain material

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 20, 2015, 10:57:45 AM

Quote from: Dave on July 20, 2015, 10:45:00 AM

Quote from: RussellC on July 20, 2015, 10:31:06 AM

Quote from: Dave on July 20, 2015, 09:07:26 AM

Quote from: RussellC on July 20, 2015, 09:00:31 AM

Seeing Gabby with the armband again last week really drove home how short of leaders we really are, even more so with Given gone. Managers often talk about needing big characters in and around the dressing room, but Joe Cole aside, I can't see many in our squad at present.

What makes Given a leader and Joe Cole a 'big character'?

Experience. And in Joe Cole's case previous success. Sherwood spoke on several occasions about Cole being a good player to have around for this very reason, and in particular as an influence on Grealish.

Are you disagreeing with the point then?

Just the examples that you give - the fact that are old doesn't mean that they are leaders of men. It just means they are old.

Carlos Sanchez has played in a World Cup quarter final - what is (for example) Shay Given going to be telling him about playing in big matches?

Vlaar leaving certainly opens up questions about leadership in the side, Given leaving is nothing more than a tiny footnote.

Hence the use of 'even more so'. Sanchez doesn't appear to have mastered the English language yet which - along with the fact that he's yet to establish himself as a first choice in our midfield - negates his International experience with regard to his leadership credentials and the influence he's going to have on the younger members of our squad. Which is why I referred to 'big characters'. Cole seems to me to be one, Given did also. And Delph. I don't see many left in our squad now.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 20, 2015, 11:00:31 AM

Quote from: RussellC on July 20, 2015, 10:57:45 AM

Which is why I referred to 'big characters'. Cole seems to me to be one, Given did also. And Delph. I don't see many left in our squad now.

Fair enough, I just don't see anything to indicate that Cole and Given are 'big characters'. Just 'old players'.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dr Butler on July 20, 2015, 11:03:20 AM

Quote from: Dave on July 20, 2015, 11:00:31 AM

Quote from: RussellC on July 20, 2015, 10:57:45 AM

Which is why I referred to 'big characters'. Cole seems to me to be one, Given did also. And Delph. I don't see many left in our squad now.

Fair enough, I just don't see anything to indicate that Cole and Given are 'big characters'. Just 'old players'.

Ciaran Clark as captain for me.

UTV
The Doc

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 20, 2015, 11:07:39 AM

Quote from: Dave on July 20, 2015, 11:00:31 AM

Quote from: RussellC on July 20, 2015, 10:57:45 AM

Which is why I referred to 'big characters'. Cole seems to me to be one, Given did also. And Delph. I don't see many left in our squad now.

Fair enough, I just don't see anything to indicate that Cole and Given are 'big characters'. Just 'old players'.

I think Given being brought back into the side for the run-in was testament to his character, rather than his ability. Sherwood spoke about the need 'calmness' at the time, and it proved to be a good move. We've now replaced that with a comparatively inexperienced Bunn, replaced Vlaar with a fairly untested centre-back in Richards and are yet to replace both Delph and Cleverley. For all of the options that there are abroad, I actually think it's equally important if we bring a few 'characters' into the squad to help balance the dynamic a bit now.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 20, 2015, 11:10:33 AM

Quote from: Dr Butler on July 20, 2015, 11:03:20 AM

Quote from: Dave on July 20, 2015, 11:00:31 AM

Quote from: RussellC on July 20, 2015, 10:57:45 AM

Which is why I referred to 'big characters'. Cole seems to me to be one, Given did also. And Delph. I don't see many left in our squad now.

Fair enough, I just don't see anything to indicate that Cole and Given are 'big characters'. Just 'old players'.

Ciaran Clark as captain for me.

UTV
The Doc

I've got to be honest, I'm still not 100% convinced on Clark as a starter, let alone a Captain. He played well in patches last season, but was also poor at times (Arsenal and Hull away spring instantly to mind). He's never struck me as somebody who is comfortable commanding the back 4, let alone captaining the side.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 20, 2015, 11:13:15 AM

Quote from: RussellC on July 20, 2015, 11:07:39 AM

Quote from: Dave on July 20, 2015, 11:00:31 AM

Quote from: RussellC on July 20, 2015, 10:57:45 AM

Which is why I referred to 'big characters'. Cole seems to me to be one, Given did also. And Delph. I don't see many left in our squad now.

Fair enough, I just don't see anything to indicate that Cole and Given are 'big characters'. Just 'old players'.

I think Given being brought back into the side for the run-in was testament to his character, rather than his ability. Sherwood spoke about the need 'calmness' at the time, and it proved to be a good move. We've now replaced that with a comparatively inexperienced Bunn, replaced Vlaar with a fairly untested centre-back in Richards and are yet to replace both Delph and Cleverley. For all of the options that there are abroad, I actually think it's equally important if we bring a few 'characters' into the squad to help balance the dynamic a bit now.

I'd imagine Gueye is Delph's replacement - I know Delph left after Gueye came, but it strikes me the club had a fairly good idea Delph would be off (and if they didn't, despite him having an 8m release clause, they were kidding themselves).

The point someone made on the previous page about looking down the list of players we have at the moment is a good one. It is pretty sobering stuff.

True, there's a lot of transfer window left to go yet, but even so, it's a good reminder of just how much work we have to do - which will grow again once Benteke goes.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 20, 2015, 11:15:36 AM

Quote from: RussellC on July 20, 2015, 11:07:39 AM

Quote from: Dave on July 20, 2015, 11:00:31 AM

Quote from: RussellC on July 20, 2015, 10:57:45 AM

Which is why I referred to 'big characters'. Cole seems to me to be one, Given did also. And Delph. I don't see many left in our squad now.

Fair enough, I just don't see anything to indicate that Cole and Given are 'big characters'. Just 'old players'.

I think Given being brought back into the side for the run-in was testament to his character, rather than his ability. Sherwood spoke about the need 'calmness' at the time, and it proved to be a good move

I completely disagree. I think (and quite a few others have said the same) that bringing Given back and persevering with N'Zogbia were the two things that Sherwood got wrong.

There certainly seemed to be very little calmness in the defence against either Southampton or Arsenal. Even when we were winning (i.e Everton) there didn't seem to be any calmness.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 20, 2015, 11:26:22 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 20, 2015, 11:13:15 AM

Quote from: RussellC on July 20, 2015, 11:07:39 AM

Quote from: Dave on July 20, 2015, 11:00:31 AM

Quote from: RussellC on July 20, 2015, 10:57:45 AM

Which is why I referred to 'big characters'. Cole seems to me to be one, Given did also. And Delph. I don't see many left in our squad now.

Fair enough, I just don't see anything to indicate that Cole and Given are 'big characters'. Just 'old players'.

I think Given being brought back into the side for the run-in was testament to his character, rather than his ability. Sherwood spoke about the need 'calmness' at the time, and it proved to be a good move. We've now replaced that with a comparatively inexperienced Bunn, replaced Vlaar with a fairly untested centre-back in Richards and are yet to replace both Delph and Cleverley. For all of the options that there are abroad, I actually think it's equally important if we bring a few 'characters' into the squad to help balance the dynamic a bit now.

I'd imagine Gueye is Delph's replacement - I know Delph left after Gueye came, but it strikes me the club had a fairly good idea Delph would be off (and if they didn't, despite him having an 8m release clause, they were kidding themselves).

The point someone made on the previous page about looking down the list of players we have at the moment is a good one. It is pretty sobering stuff.

True, there's a lot of transfer window left to go yet, but even so, it's a good reminder of just how much work we have to do - which will grow again once Benteke goes.

Sherwood told Gueye he'll be playing right-mid in a 4-3-3. That makes him TC23's replacement.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 20, 2015, 11:28:10 AM

So do we see Sanchez, Westwood or Gardner being the man for centre mid this season?  Or none of them?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 20, 2015, 11:28:27 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 20, 2015, 11:26:22 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 20, 2015, 11:13:15 AM

Quote from: RussellC on July 20, 2015, 11:07:39 AM

Quote from: Dave on July 20, 2015, 11:00:31 AM

Quote from: RussellC on July 20, 2015, 10:57:45 AM

Which is why I referred to 'big characters'. Cole seems to me to be one, Given did also. And Delph. I don't see many left in our squad now.

Fair enough, I just don't see anything to indicate that Cole and Given are 'big characters'. Just 'old players'.

I think Given being brought back into the side for the run-in was testament to his character, rather than his ability. Sherwood spoke about the need 'calmness' at the time, and it proved to be a good move. We've now replaced that with a comparatively inexperienced Bunn, replaced Vlaar with a fairly untested centre-back in Richards and are yet to replace both Delph and Cleverley. For all of the options that there are abroad, I actually think it's equally important if we bring a few 'characters' into the squad to help balance the dynamic a bit now.

I'd imagine Gueye is Delph's replacement - I know Delph left after Gueye came, but it strikes me the club had a fairly good idea Delph would be off (and if they didn't, despite him having an 8m release clause, they were kidding themselves).

The point someone made on the previous page about looking down the list of players we have at the moment is a good one. It is pretty sobering stuff.

True, there's a lot of transfer window left to go yet, but even so, it's a good reminder of just how much work we have to do - which will grow again once Benteke goes.

Sherwood told Gueye he'll be playing right-mid in a 4-3-3. That makes him TC23's replacement.

If, indeed, anyone can replace TC23 :-(

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 20, 2015, 11:30:50 AM

Quote from: Des Little on July 20, 2015, 11:28:10 AM

So do we see Sanchez, Westwood or Gardner being the man for centre mid this season?  Or none of them?

Sanchez and Gueye, Westwood as back-up.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 20, 2015, 11:31:35 AM

That was before delph left. Who plays left in that three now?

I'm not convinced we're definitely going 433 yet

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: rougegorge on July 20, 2015, 11:31:54 AM

Quote from: RussellC on July 20, 2015, 11:10:33 AM

Quote from: Dr Butler on July 20, 2015, 11:03:20 AM

Quote from: Dave on July 20, 2015, 11:00:31 AM

Quote from: RussellC on July 20, 2015, 10:57:45 AM

Which is why I referred to 'big characters'. Cole seems to me to be one, Given did also. And Delph. I don't see many left in our squad now.

Fair enough, I just don't see anything to indicate that Cole and Given are 'big characters'. Just 'old players'.

Ciaran Clark as captain for me.

UTV
The Doc

I've got to be honest, I'm still not 100% convinced on Clark as a starter, let alone a Captain. He played well in patches last season, but was also poor at times (Arsenal and Hull away spring instantly to mind). He's never struck me as somebody who is comfortable commanding the back 4, let alone captaining the side.

I have to agree; he improved overall last season but doesn't project the calmness and authority typically required of a first choice defender and captain.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 20, 2015, 11:32:53 AM

Quote from: Dr Butler on July 20, 2015, 11:03:20 AM

Quote from: Dave on July 20, 2015, 11:00:31 AM

Quote from: RussellC on July 20, 2015, 10:57:45 AM

Which is why I referred to 'big characters'. Cole seems to me to be one, Given did also. And Delph. I don't see many left in our squad now.

Fair enough, I just don't see anything to indicate that Cole and Given are 'big characters'. Just 'old players'.

Ciaran Clark as captain for me.

UTV
The Doc

Isn't he into the final year of his contract?
Lets get him to sign up before we make him captain and add £20k to his weekly wage.

...I can see what is coming (again).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on July 20, 2015, 12:05:01 PM

Charlie Austin ''odds on'' to sign for Villa according to the Birmingham Mail. Hope this is true....

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 20, 2015, 12:10:20 PM

him and Oulare would be nice, one for now one for later on

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 20, 2015, 12:12:50 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 20, 2015, 11:15:36 AM

Quote from: RussellC on July 20, 2015, 11:07:39 AM

Quote from: Dave on July 20, 2015, 11:00:31 AM

Quote from: RussellC on July 20, 2015, 10:57:45 AM

Which is why I referred to 'big characters'. Cole seems to me to be one, Given did also. And Delph. I don't see many left in our squad now.

Fair enough, I just don't see anything to indicate that Cole and Given are 'big characters'. Just 'old players'.

I think Given being brought back into the side for the run-in was testament to his character, rather than his ability. Sherwood spoke about the need 'calmness' at the time, and it proved to be a good move

I completely disagree. I think (and quite a few others have said the same) that bringing Given back and persevering with N'Zogbia were the two things that Sherwood got wrong.

There certainly seemed to be very little calmness in the defence against either Southampton or Arsenal. Even when we were winning (i.e Everton) there didn't seem to be any calmness.

N'Zogbia I'd possibly agree with (although he did play some part in the win at Sunderland), but I honestly think that persevering with Guzan would have seen us go down. It wasn't just the error he made at City at either. If you look at the QPR game then the I would lay the blame for Clint Hill's goal at his door. His positioning allowed him to get beaten by a looping header, with no cover on the posts. Did you notice how many goal-line or 6-yard box clearances Richardson alone made once Given came in? I don't think that was coincidence, more a case of Given knowing in advance that he wouldn't be coming for the cross and making sure that his posts were covered. Far from ground-breaking goalkeeping, but certainly more organised than Guzan ever appeared to be. Similarly Guzan's distribution was getting increasingly worse. He never seemed to know when to kick long or short, or when to slow the game down or play out early. Seemingly a little thing, but there were times on the sidelines when you could see Sherwood's frustration with his decision making and, again, this noticeably improved with Given.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 20, 2015, 12:26:06 PM

Quote from: Villafirst on July 20, 2015, 12:05:01 PM

Charlie Austin ''odds on'' to sign for Villa according to the Birmingham Mail. Hope this is true....

Are they being literal though, or do they know something?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Monty on July 20, 2015, 12:29:17 PM

We might see Gueye with Sanchez or Westwood (they both sit, but Westwood gives away fewer free kicks) in a 4-2-3-1, with Grealish, Gil and someone else behind a new striker. Just as long as that new striker isn't Charlie Austin who, every time I look at him, makes me think of Marcus Stewart.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 20, 2015, 12:29:25 PM

Quote from: RussellC on July 20, 2015, 12:26:06 PM

Quote from: Villafirst on July 20, 2015, 12:05:01 PM

Charlie Austin ''odds on'' to sign for Villa according to the Birmingham Mail. Hope this is true....

Are they being literal though, or do they know something?

He's odds on at the moment, in the bookmaking sense.

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/charlie-austin/club-after-summer-transfer-window

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 20, 2015, 12:50:16 PM

Quote from: Monty on July 20, 2015, 12:29:17 PM

We might see Gueye with Sanchez or Westwood (they both sit, but Westwood gives away fewer free kicks) in a 4-2-3-1, with Grealish, Gil and someone else behind a new striker. Just as long as that new striker isn't Charlie Austin who, every time I look at him, makes me think of Marcus Stewart.

Thanks, I've been trying to think of the Ipswich guy who had one mad season, looked like the puppies plums then disappeared as Ipswich did too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Witton Warrior on July 20, 2015, 01:17:13 PM

According to Wiki Oulare is Aston Villa's No 20!  ;-)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 20, 2015, 01:25:14 PM

Quote from: Villafirst on July 20, 2015, 12:05:01 PM

Charlie Austin ''odds on'' to sign for Villa according to the Birmingham Mail. Hope this is true....

Are the Standard saying how well he'd fit in here and running an interview with Tony Morley?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy65 on July 20, 2015, 01:32:49 PM

Everton's Mirallas subject of a £6m bid from West ham. We should bid £8m and get the deal done. Replacement for Gabby.

I rate him

Him and Austin up front

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 20, 2015, 01:33:28 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 20, 2015, 01:25:14 PM

Quote from: Villafirst on July 20, 2015, 12:05:01 PM

Charlie Austin ''odds on'' to sign for Villa according to the Birmingham Mail. Hope this is true....

Are the Standard saying how well he'd fit in here and running an interview with Tony Morley?

Ha! It's on a double page spread with an article about why QPR fans should understand Austin wanting to move to a club like Villa. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on July 20, 2015, 01:52:44 PM

Perceptions can be misleading at times.

Austin's PL experience is limited to one season.  One season wonder and found out next or does he have more to his game?

Adebayor was known by Sherwood in his good times which was more than 12 months ago.  Can Adebayor get back to that form after a miserable 12 months.  Does he have the motivation to lift himself for the remaining 4 or 5 (?) years of his career when he has made his money already.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 20, 2015, 02:01:26 PM

Quote from: old man villa fan on July 20, 2015, 01:52:44 PM

Perceptions can be misleading at times.

Austin's PL experience is limited to one season.  One season wonder and found out next or does he have more to his game?

Adebayor was known by Sherwood in his good times which was more than 12 months ago.  Can Adebayor get back to that form after a miserable 12 months.  Does he have the motivation to lift himself for the remaining 4 or 5 (?) years of his career when he has made his money already.

All will be revealed in the forthcoming, thrilling encounter: TacticMan!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 20, 2015, 02:18:18 PM

What I find slightly strange is that there are several clubs who have been linked with Austin since the end of the season, but only one has put a bid in. It's quite unusual.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SamTheMouse on July 20, 2015, 02:35:52 PM

Don't want Adebayor, don't want Austin. Overpriced and mediocre. They're only being touted because Sherwood knows the former personally, and the latter is one of a tiny number of English strikers who scored a goal in the Premier League last season.

We should keep looking abroad. The last time we bought a world-class forward, he didn't come from 'facking Landan'.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 20, 2015, 02:42:26 PM

no, he came, he saw,  and he conquered from Belgium. It's got to be Obbi Oulare!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on July 20, 2015, 02:59:18 PM

If Austin had just had the season he has had in italy, Spain or even Holland, people on here would be boffing their pants over the youtube show reel of him.

But because he did it for unfashionable QPR, he's an over rated one season wonder.

Personally I thought his movement and finishing was outstanding last year and would love to see him sign.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on July 20, 2015, 03:04:08 PM

Quote from: chrisw1 on July 20, 2015, 02:59:18 PM

If Austin had just had the season he has had in italy, Spain or even Holland, people on here would be boffing their pants over the youtube show reel of him.

But because he did it for unfashionable QPR, he's an over rated one season wonder.

Personally I thought his movement and finishing was outstanding last year and would love to see him sign.

Depends what you mean by that though. I think plenty of people would be skeptical if they heard we were being linked to a striker who, while scoring 18 goals in a good league like Spain or Italy, was being described as fairly limited outside of his ability to put the ball in the net.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Concrete John on July 20, 2015, 03:07:37 PM

Quote from: chrisw1 on July 20, 2015, 02:59:18 PM

If Austin had just had the season he has had in italy, Spain or even Holland, people on here would be boffing their pants over the youtube show reel of him.

But because he did it for unfashionable QPR, he's an over rated one season wonder.

Personally I thought his movement and finishing was outstanding last year and would love to see him sign.

I don't anyone is saying that, just raising it as a possibility.  The difference from him being Spanish or Italian is that we know a little more about the player.  I'd like to think that if his name was Carlos Austinio we'd raise the same concerns after doing a bit of research on him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JJ-AV on July 20, 2015, 03:09:38 PM

I think with the positon we're in at the minute, Austin is an obvious signing. We can afford him, he's as close to guaranteed performer as we can realistically get in a positon we really need stregnthening.

£15m is a lot for him, and he's over-priced and he is limited, but it's a vital area that could be the difference. I'd feel a lot more confident about staying up if we were to sign him as opposed to Adebayor or the 18 year old at Monaco.

Hypothetically speaking - say all of the strikers we're linked with signed for Villa tomorrow. Who would you back to score the most between by the end of the season? It'd be Austin every time for me.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on July 20, 2015, 03:22:46 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on July 20, 2015, 03:07:37 PM

Quote from: chrisw1 on July 20, 2015, 02:59:18 PM

If Austin had just had the season he has had in italy, Spain or even Holland, people on here would be boffing their pants over the youtube show reel of him.

But because he did it for unfashionable QPR, he's an over rated one season wonder.

Personally I thought his movement and finishing was outstanding last year and would love to see him sign.

I don't anyone is saying that, just raising it as a possibility.  The difference from him being Spanish or Italian is that we know a little more about the player.  I'd like to think that if his name was Carlos Austinio we'd raise the same concerns after doing a bit of research on him.

not much....

Quote from: LeeB on July 19, 2015, 11:14:52 PM

I think Austin would be a shit signing.
 

Quote from: Dave on July 19, 2015, 11:25:51 PM

I'm inclined to agree.

In the summer of 2012, Yakubu had just scored 17 goals for Blackburn and Holt had scored 15 for Norwich. Lambert could easily have taken the easy route and gone with "well, we shouldn't take a risk and just spend our £7m on somebody who has proven they can score in the Premier League", but fortunately he didn't. I'm pretty certain that there were plenty of people at the time saying that we shouldn't be taking a risk in spending so much of our meagre budget on someone who hardly anybody had heard of.

Austin might not necessarily go on the same downward career spiral as the two examples at the top, but I'd be perfectly happy to take our chances on somebody who might be the next Benteke but might turn out to be less than that, over somebody that we know is going to be Charlie Austin.

Quote from: old man villa fan on July 20, 2015, 01:52:44 PM

Austin's PL experience is limited to one season.  One season wonder and found out next or does he have more to his game?

Quote from: Monty on July 20, 2015, 12:29:17 PM

Just as long as that new striker isn't Charlie Austin who, every time I look at him, makes me think of Marcus Stewart.

Quote from: SamTheMouse on July 20, 2015, 02:35:52 PM

Don't want Adebayor, don't want Austin. Overpriced and mediocre. They're only being touted because Sherwood knows the former personally, and the latter is one of a tiny number of English strikers who scored a goal in the Premier League last season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 20, 2015, 03:23:33 PM

At what point does 'overpriced' become the going rate?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on July 20, 2015, 03:24:41 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 20, 2015, 03:23:33 PM

At what point does 'overpriced' become the going rate?

At the point we are selling.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 20, 2015, 03:26:15 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 20, 2015, 03:23:33 PM

At what point does 'overpriced' become the going rate?

This is the other thing, players regularly go for £10-£15 million now.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 20, 2015, 03:27:35 PM

Quote from: chrisw1 on July 20, 2015, 03:22:46 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on July 20, 2015, 03:07:37 PM

Quote from: chrisw1 on July 20, 2015, 02:59:18 PM

If Austin had just had the season he has had in italy, Spain or even Holland, people on here would be boffing their pants over the youtube show reel of him.

But because he did it for unfashionable QPR, he's an over rated one season wonder.

Personally I thought his movement and finishing was outstanding last year and would love to see him sign.

I don't anyone is saying that, just raising it as a possibility.  The difference from him being Spanish or Italian is that we know a little more about the player.  I'd like to think that if his name was Carlos Austinio we'd raise the same concerns after doing a bit of research on him.

not much....

Quote from: LeeB on July 19, 2015, 11:14:52 PM

I think Austin would be a shit signing.
 

Quote from: Dave on July 19, 2015, 11:25:51 PM

I'm inclined to agree.

In the summer of 2012, Yakubu had just scored 17 goals for Blackburn and Holt had scored 15 for Norwich. Lambert could easily have taken the easy route and gone with "well, we shouldn't take a risk and just spend our £7m on somebody who has proven they can score in the Premier League", but fortunately he didn't. I'm pretty certain that there were plenty of people at the time saying that we shouldn't be taking a risk in spending so much of our meagre budget on someone who hardly anybody had heard of.

Austin might not necessarily go on the same downward career spiral as the two examples at the top, but I'd be perfectly happy to take our chances on somebody who might be the next Benteke but might turn out to be less than that, over somebody that we know is going to be Charlie Austin.

Quote from: old man villa fan on July 20, 2015, 01:52:44 PM

Austin's PL experience is limited to one season.  One season wonder and found out next or does he have more to his game?

Quote from: Monty on July 20, 2015, 12:29:17 PM

Just as long as that new striker isn't Charlie Austin who, every time I look at him, makes me think of Marcus Stewart.

Quote from: SamTheMouse on July 20, 2015, 02:35:52 PM

Don't want Adebayor, don't want Austin. Overpriced and mediocre. They're only being touted because Sherwood knows the former personally, and the latter is one of a tiny number of English strikers who scored a goal in the Premier League last season.

Those quotes aren't particularly controversial, though. People who don't rate a player?

I think one criticism most people would have is that he errs towards the Bent a bit too much - ie doesn't do much outside the box.

I think for the right money, he'd be a decent signing, but I can also see where people are coming from if they don't rate him so much.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on July 20, 2015, 03:33:38 PM

Strikers thrive on decent service - give Austin the right service, he scores! Simple really isn't it? Austin is a proven goalscorer in the PL. You can pay big bucks for a highly rated foreign player and he doesn't cut it in the PL.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 20, 2015, 03:38:09 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 20, 2015, 03:23:33 PM

At what point does 'overpriced' become the going rate?

Wasn't it the day Ellis sold up?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on July 20, 2015, 03:39:19 PM

There was quite a lot of Liverpool fans who don't think Benteke is any good.

I understand peoples concerns on Austin, but given the season he's just had in an utterly shit team, I am hopeful he would also do well in our not quite so shit team.  I'd certainly like him ahead of Gabby and the other options (excluding Benteke) that we had last year

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 20, 2015, 03:44:42 PM

Quote from: chrisw1 on July 20, 2015, 03:39:19 PM

There was quite a lot of Liverpool fans who don't think Benteke is any good.

I understand peoples concerns on Austin, but given the season he's just had in an utterly shit team, I am hopeful he would also do well in our not quite so shit team.  I'd certainly like him ahead of Gabby and the other options (excluding Benteke) that we had last year

You would think that he absolutely destroys them every time he plays them, would make them think he is a good player.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 20, 2015, 03:45:25 PM

Well good for you pal.

I still think he's shit though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Monty on July 20, 2015, 03:47:52 PM

Quote from: Villafirst on July 20, 2015, 03:33:38 PM

Strikers thrive on decent service - give Austin the right service, he scores! Simple really isn't it? Austin is a proven goalscorer in the PL. You can pay big bucks for a highly rated foreign player and he doesn't cut it in the PL.

The right service appears to be launching it all game from one box to the other and, eventually, he'll score one from a knock-down.

How players score goals is very important. It would be as strange for Swansea, for instance, to buy Kevin Nolan and expect him to keep scoring goals with their style of play. If you think Austin would be a good signing, you have to a) believe that we should change the whole style which, under Sherwood, kept us in the league to accommodate him (a style which got his former employers very expensively relegated), or b) explain what you've seen to make you think Austin would fit in with our style as it exists, which I haven't seen. Just saying 'he scores goals' is a bit like saying 'he wins headers' - what would he do with us? That's what matters.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on July 20, 2015, 03:57:22 PM

If we are buying two strikers for our team, should we look for already made partnership so we can hit the ground running quicker. It doesn't have to be club team partners as it could be national team as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 20, 2015, 03:58:50 PM

Personally I don't mind either way on Austin, but I suspect the link in the press and people putting money on him joining Villa are simply basing it on the fact we're on the look out for a striker.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 20, 2015, 04:01:43 PM

Having just watched a montage of some of Austin's goals from last season, I will say he's nothing special. In fact, he reminds me of someone already at the club, ability-wise. However, unlike said person, Austin's brain appears to have an "on" switch.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Karl Bridges on July 20, 2015, 04:03:27 PM

Bamford is going to Palace apparently.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on July 20, 2015, 04:15:50 PM

Quote from: Monty on July 20, 2015, 03:47:52 PM

explain what you've seen to make you think Austin would fit in with our style as it exists, which I haven't seen. Just saying 'he scores goals' is a bit like saying 'he wins headers' - what would he do with us? That's what matters.

I've seen him kick the ball with his foot and it go into the net.  Lots and lots of times.  This is something that seemed beyond any of our players last season other than Benteke.

Being slightly less flippant, I think he would thrive on the sort of through balls I would expect the likes of Gil, Grealish & Sinclair to deliver.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: warleyboy on July 20, 2015, 04:31:12 PM

Quote from: Karl Bridges on July 20, 2015, 04:03:27 PM

Bamford is going to Palace apparently.

That's a shame, was hoping TS would take a punt on him for season long loan.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on July 20, 2015, 04:34:21 PM

Quote from: chrisw1 on July 20, 2015, 04:15:50 PM

Quote from: Monty on July 20, 2015, 03:47:52 PM

explain what you've seen to make you think Austin would fit in with our style as it exists, which I haven't seen. Just saying 'he scores goals' is a bit like saying 'he wins headers' - what would he do with us? That's what matters.

I've seen him kick the ball with his foot and it go into the net.  Lots and lots of times.  This is something that seemed beyond any of our players last season other than Benteke.

Being slightly less flippant, I think he would thrive on the sort of through balls I would expect the likes of Gil, Grealish & Sinclair to deliver.

Monty is right in commenting on fitting into a system. From what I have seen, Austin has played in a front 2 at QPR and before that at Burnley. Does Sherwood want to play that way or, alternatively, can Austin adapt. Prior to last season he has played all his football at a lower level.

The manager decides on the systems he wants to play and then buys players that fit in.  That's how it should work but there are some that buy 'name' available.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 20, 2015, 05:19:38 PM

On a different note, Cambiasso's still not signed a deal with Leicester and apparently Ranieri has issued an ultimatum to sign soon. Could be a great signing on a short-term deal for us.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 20, 2015, 05:35:33 PM

Interesting to note that we are going to be playing 433.

We need anoher two central midfielders and two forwards to do that with success.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SamTheMouse on July 20, 2015, 05:37:57 PM

It's not that I think Austin is shit, he's clearly not. He's got a decent goalscoring record at every level he's played at. But for me he's just OK. I want Benteke's replacement to at least have the potential to go on and be as good as Benteke. Instead of paying 15 or 20 million for the known quantity that is Austin (known, that is, when playing as part of a two-man strike partnership), I'd much rather we put some faith in a couple of younger players who can really excite us and might just make us some money in the long run.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on July 20, 2015, 06:06:07 PM

I'm torn at the moment between wanting a decent prospect or a proven striker like Austin. We'd pay a fair chunk of the Benteke money for Austin, but I think he'd do just fine at Villa and would be better than he's being painted by some. I also think he's less likely to get taken off us by the shithouses of the league - he's already got fifteen or so goals for a relegated club and none of them seem remotely interested.

That said, there's no room for improvement with Austin - what you see is what he's got, and I seem to recall he may have some long term underlying injury thing with his shoulder, which is worrying for someone we want to be our main striker.

However, as intriguing as it is to be linked to more great Belgians and suchlike, they all seem to be hovering around the same price bracket a deal for Austin is (maybe a few million less, but not a huge amount), so maybe it's a case of better the devil you know.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 20, 2015, 06:06:22 PM

Quote from: Ads on July 20, 2015, 05:35:33 PM

Interesting to note that we are going to be playing 433.

We need anoher two central midfielders and two forwards to do that with success.

There were a few links to Tom Carroll on Twitter earlier. Has always looked a good prospect without ever really making an impact. Sherwood will know him well though, and it appears that he's available relatively cheaply.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 20, 2015, 06:12:27 PM

Quote from: RussellC on July 20, 2015, 06:06:22 PM

Quote from: Ads on July 20, 2015, 05:35:33 PM

Interesting to note that we are going to be playing 433.

We need anoher two central midfielders and two forwards to do that with success.

There were a few links to Tom Carroll on Twitter earlier. Has always looked a good prospect without ever really making an impact. Sherwood will know him well though, and it appears that he's available relatively cheaply.

I'm not sure he's any better than Westwood.

If we play a three, then it would likely be Sanchez/Westwood in the holding role, Gueye box to box, with Gil as number 10. That's not too bad, but I'd like to see us improve upon Sanchez/Westwood and add another box to box type for variety.

Wouldn't surprise me if we get Townsend in the end. Sinclair I like, as he will score goals, while Grealish will feature wide or as a second number 10, but I think he'd like another winger too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 20, 2015, 06:15:35 PM

we are now being linked in the French media with Alassane Plea from Nice. Another Benteke lookalike

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: walsall villain on July 20, 2015, 06:17:38 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 20, 2015, 06:15:35 PM

we are now being linked in the French media with Alassane Plea from Nice. Another Benteke lookalike

Are Nice any good? If so let's get the lot of them over here.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 20, 2015, 06:18:00 PM

Quote from: RussellC on July 20, 2015, 12:12:50 PM

I honestly think that persevering with Guzan would have seen us go down

Well, we'll have to agree to disagree then.

As Guzan is a far superior (while not flawless) keeper and I'm completely certain that had he stayed in goal we'd likely have had a much more comfortable end to the season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 20, 2015, 06:21:00 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 20, 2015, 06:15:35 PM

we are now being linked in the French media with Alassane Plea from Nice. Another Benteke lookalike

We would be definitely going down the Wenger route.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: N'Zimidy on July 20, 2015, 06:29:24 PM

Or more disturbingly a Newcastle route.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 20, 2015, 06:39:48 PM

metro reporting we have bid 15m for Austin

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on July 20, 2015, 06:40:23 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 20, 2015, 06:18:00 PM

Quote from: RussellC on July 20, 2015, 12:12:50 PM

I honestly think that persevering with Guzan would have seen us go down

Well, we'll have to agree to disagree then.

As Guzan is a far superior (while not flawless) keeper and I'm completely certain that had he stayed in goal we'd likely have had a much more comfortable end to the season.

we would probably be down already if it wasn't for having Guzan in nets for the last few years

it does make me wonder how two people can watch the same team for 3 years and not just disagree but actually look like they have been watching totally different players all this time

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 20, 2015, 06:47:50 PM

Sherwood will be hopping mad if we can't get the lad from Nice. Could really make us tick.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: onje_villa on July 20, 2015, 06:52:16 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 20, 2015, 06:18:00 PM

Quote from: RussellC on July 20, 2015, 12:12:50 PM

I honestly think that persevering with Guzan would have seen us go down

Well, we'll have to agree to disagree then.

As Guzan is a far superior (while not flawless) keeper and I'm completely certain that had he stayed in goal we'd likely have had a much more comfortable end to the season.

Agreed. While Guzan's form has certainly tailed off the last season or two and perhaps he warranted dropping, unfortunately Given was just the "other guy", his form if anything was worse. His performances at the end of the season were the stuff of nightmares. Flapping around, kicking the ball to the opposition. To suggest he somehow saved us from the drop is highly fanciful.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 20, 2015, 07:03:40 PM

I can't build any enthusiasm over Austin. Like curiousorange said earlier, for someone with such a decent goal scoring record, you wonder why a top 8 or mid-table side haven't taken a punt on him. Hull came in for him when he was at Burnley and he ended up going to qpr and he's still there although they may be overpricing him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: not3bad on July 20, 2015, 07:06:07 PM

Daily Telegraph reporting that Adebayor may be coming to Villa on a season long loan with Villa part funding his wages.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on July 20, 2015, 07:08:44 PM

If we sign Austin then he'll get obviously get our full support but I'd rather we be in for a forward with more to his game...an eye for goal, pace, skills, can drop off deep and link up play, create his own chances, shoot from all ranges...basically a more modern player who can drift and be interchangeable with attacking midfielders; where as I see Austin as being in the mould of an old fashioned centre forward goal poacher. Admittedly I haven't watched his highlights but thats my general opinion without doing much research so apologies to the man if I'm wrong.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Monty on July 20, 2015, 07:12:49 PM

Quote from: Clampy on July 20, 2015, 07:03:40 PM

I can't build any enthusiasm over Austin. Like curiousorange said earlier, for someone with such a decent goal scoring record, you wonder why a top 8 or mid-table side haven't taken a punt on him. Hull came in for him when he was at Burnley and he ended up going to qpr and he's still there although they may be overpricing him.

They're definitely overpricing him for us, but you could imagine that Austin is worth about £15m to them, given how well he fits into their style and what his goals do to their chances of promotion. Very unconvinced about him for us, though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 20, 2015, 07:13:14 PM

Quote from: KRS on July 20, 2015, 07:08:44 PM

If we sign Austin then he'll get obviously get our full support but I'd rather we be in for a forward with more to his game...an eye for goal, pace, skills, can drop off deep and link up play, create his own chances, shoot from all ranges...basically a more modern player who can drift and be interchangeable with attacking midfielders; where as I see Austin as being in the mould of an old fashioned centre forward goal poacher. Admittedly I haven't watched his highlights but thats my general opinion without doing much research so apologies to the man if I'm wrong.

I think a few of us have enjoyed watching Benteke so much over the past few season's, we want to unearth another one. Maybe Austin would do really well, but I don't know, there's something that puts me off.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 20, 2015, 07:15:43 PM

apparently, Oulare is available for £7m

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 20, 2015, 07:26:40 PM

Quote from: Monty on July 20, 2015, 07:12:49 PM

Quote from: Clampy on July 20, 2015, 07:03:40 PM

I can't build any enthusiasm over Austin. Like curiousorange said earlier, for someone with such a decent goal scoring record, you wonder why a top 8 or mid-table side haven't taken a punt on him. Hull came in for him when he was at Burnley and he ended up going to qpr and he's still there although they may be overpricing him.

They're definitely overpricing him for us, but you could imagine that Austin is worth about £15m to them, given how well he fits into their style and what his goals do to their chances of promotion. Very unconvinced about him for us, though.

Another consideration for them, is that they're likely to get truly fucked by The Football League for the mess that is their finances.
They could well be "aiming high" with his price, to absolutely maximise what they get for him.
I can't think of any other "saleable assets" that they've got?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 20, 2015, 07:27:50 PM

Quote from: KRS on July 20, 2015, 07:08:44 PM

If we sign Austin then he'll get obviously get our full support but I'd rather we be in for a forward with more to his game....basically a more modern player who can drift and be interchangeable with attacking midfielders; where as I see Austin as being in the mould of an old fashioned centre forward goal poacher. Admittedly I haven't watched his highlights but thats my general opinion without doing much research so apologies to the man if I'm wrong.

How much would a player like that cost?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 20, 2015, 07:28:01 PM

Quote from: not3bad on July 20, 2015, 07:06:07 PM

Daily Telegraph reporting that Adebayor may be coming to Villa on a season long loan with Villa part funding his wages.

As Mr Punch would say, 'that's the way to do it'

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 20, 2015, 07:33:19 PM

Quote from: Des Little on July 20, 2015, 07:28:01 PM

Quote from: not3bad on July 20, 2015, 07:06:07 PM

Daily Telegraph reporting that Adebayor may be coming to Villa on a season long loan with Villa part funding his wages.

As Mr Punch would say, 'that's the way to do it'

I can accept him at VP if that is the deal.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on July 20, 2015, 07:33:36 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 20, 2015, 06:15:35 PM

we are now being linked in the French media with Alassane Plea from Nice. Another Benteke lookalike

Has he issued a "Come and get me Plea"?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 20, 2015, 07:35:01 PM

Are there any French players that we have no interest in whatsoever?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on July 20, 2015, 07:38:51 PM

L'Equipe tonight:
Plea's "Release Me, Let me Go"

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 20, 2015, 07:39:14 PM

Adeyaor on loan would be ok, provides its supplemented by another forward.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 20, 2015, 07:43:16 PM

Would love us to put in a strong bid for Dembele at Spurs. He's a bit of a bit part player there, he'd be a great attacking midfielder option for us, especially with the Euros coming up, he would need game time.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on July 20, 2015, 07:44:13 PM

Quote from: Des Little on July 20, 2015, 07:35:01 PM

Are there any French players that we have no interest in whatsoever?

apparently we will be running out to Charles Aznavour next season with a bit of Sacha Distel at half time

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 20, 2015, 07:45:17 PM

Quote from: garyshawsknee on July 20, 2015, 07:43:16 PM

Would love us to put in a strong bid for Dembele at Spurs. He's a bit of a bit part player there, he'd be a great attacking midfielder option for us, especially with the Euros coming up, he would need game time.

What you mean like arm wrestle them whilst putting in a bid or a bit of pushing and shoving sumo style?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 20, 2015, 07:46:59 PM

encouraging news for those of us who are not so keen on Mr Adebayor. Caught Offside think there are several clubs interested, and that the player's preference is to stay in London; so maybe the porn stars are top choice. Spurs are also expecting his weekly lottery ticket to be paid in full.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: andyh on July 20, 2015, 07:47:36 PM

Quote from: Des Little on July 20, 2015, 07:28:01 PM

Quote from: not3bad on July 20, 2015, 07:06:07 PM

Daily Telegraph reporting that Adebayor may be coming to Villa on a season long loan with Villa part funding his wages.

As Mr Punch would say, 'that's the way to do it'

Yes, the perfect solution if he has to come.
Let's hope he's not the only one though (Embolo please!!)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy65 on July 20, 2015, 07:50:42 PM

Quote from: passitsideways on July 20, 2015, 03:04:08 PM

Quote from: chrisw1 on July 20, 2015, 02:59:18 PM

If Austin had just had the season he has had in italy, Spain or even Holland, people on here would be boffing their pants over the youtube show reel of him.

But because he did it for unfashionable QPR, he's an over rated one season wonder.

Personally I thought his movement and finishing was outstanding last year and would love to see him sign.

Depends what you mean by that though. I think plenty of people would be skeptical if they heard we were being linked to a striker who, while scoring 18 goals in a good league like Spain or Italy, was being described as fairly limited outside of his ability to put the ball in the net.

If he scores goals regularly I dont care what he does outside the box

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 20, 2015, 07:55:45 PM

Quote from: peter w on July 20, 2015, 07:45:17 PM

Quote from: garyshawsknee on July 20, 2015, 07:43:16 PM

Would love us to put in a strong bid for Dembele at Spurs. He's a bit of a bit part player there, he'd be a great attacking midfielder option for us, especially with the Euros coming up, he would need game time.

What you mean like arm wrestle them whilst putting in a bid or a bit of pushing and shoving sumo style?

yeah, a bit of strong handed intimidation !!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 20, 2015, 07:56:30 PM

fuck me we're being linked to more players than you can shake a stick at; latest is Islam Slimani from Sporting Clube

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 20, 2015, 08:01:54 PM

Quote from: Rudy65 on July 20, 2015, 07:50:42 PM

Quote from: passitsideways on July 20, 2015, 03:04:08 PM

Quote from: chrisw1 on July 20, 2015, 02:59:18 PM

If Austin had just had the season he has had in italy, Spain or even Holland, people on here would be boffing their pants over the youtube show reel of him.

But because he did it for unfashionable QPR, he's an over rated one season wonder.

Personally I thought his movement and finishing was outstanding last year and would love to see him sign.

Depends what you mean by that though. I think plenty of people would be skeptical if they heard we were being linked to a striker who, while scoring 18 goals in a good league like Spain or Italy, was being described as fairly limited outside of his ability to put the ball in the net.

If he scores goals regularly I dont care what he does outside the box

How ridiculous. For one thing, regular could mean one goal in his every fortieth game, without fail. And how about if he scores twenty, but as a team set up to get him those twenty, the rest of them only get five?

I want the team to score plenty of goals, that doesn't necessarily equate with one high-scoring goal-hanger who adds nothing by way of creativity or making the team more free-scoring.

Not saying that's Austin, just saying it's a silly statement.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 20, 2015, 08:06:29 PM

Quote from: garyshawsknee on July 20, 2015, 07:43:16 PM

Would love us to put in a strong bid for Dembele at Spurs. He's a bit of a bit part player there, he'd be a great attacking midfielder option for us, especially with the Euros coming up, he would need game time.

He's the most like for like replacement for delph I can think of by some margin. If we are going to play 433 we definitely need someone to play in that position

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 20, 2015, 08:10:23 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 20, 2015, 07:56:30 PM

fuck me we're being linked to more players than you can shake a stick at; latest is Islam Slimani from Sporting Clube

Or is someone just making up names of players and their clubs?

(I know they're both real but they do sound a bit like something out of a Bond film)
;-)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 20, 2015, 08:19:49 PM

Quote from: Rudy65 on July 20, 2015, 07:50:42 PM

Quote from: passitsideways on July 20, 2015, 03:04:08 PM

Quote from: chrisw1 on July 20, 2015, 02:59:18 PM

If Austin had just had the season he has had in italy, Spain or even Holland, people on here would be boffing their pants over the youtube show reel of him.

But because he did it for unfashionable QPR, he's an over rated one season wonder.

Personally I thought his movement and finishing was outstanding last year and would love to see him sign.

Depends what you mean by that though. I think plenty of people would be skeptical if they heard we were being linked to a striker who, while scoring 18 goals in a good league like Spain or Italy, was being described as fairly limited outside of his ability to put the ball in the net.

If he scores goals regularly I dont care what he does outside the box

Well he did that for the team that finished bottom, so maybe more is required.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on July 20, 2015, 08:21:25 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on July 20, 2015, 07:27:50 PM

Quote from: KRS on July 20, 2015, 07:08:44 PM

If we sign Austin then he'll get obviously get our full support but I'd rather we be in for a forward with more to his game....basically a more modern player who can drift and be interchangeable with attacking midfielders; where as I see Austin as being in the mould of an old fashioned centre forward goal poacher. Admittedly I haven't watched his highlights but thats my general opinion without doing much research so apologies to the man if I'm wrong.

How much would a player like that cost?

Depends on the player and selling club obviously, but the likes of Embolo and Oulare seem to have more potential and are more versatile than Austin. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 20, 2015, 08:22:12 PM

Quote from: garyshawsknee on July 20, 2015, 07:55:45 PM

Quote from: peter w on July 20, 2015, 07:45:17 PM

Quote from: garyshawsknee on July 20, 2015, 07:43:16 PM

Would love us to put in a strong bid for Dembele at Spurs. He's a bit of a bit part player there, he'd be a great attacking midfielder option for us, especially with the Euros coming up, he would need game time.

What you mean like arm wrestle them whilst putting in a bid or a bit of pushing and shoving sumo style?

yeah, a bit of strong handed intimidation !!

Send Hutton down to deliver the bid in person and add a bit of "nice little trophy cabinet you've got here, be a shame to see something happen to it..."

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on July 20, 2015, 08:23:54 PM

has Austin got any tattoos, all the top forwards have nowadays
the very top ones have a whole armful

its an important consideration

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: adrenachrome on July 20, 2015, 08:35:07 PM

Him got some ink innit.

(http://www.qpr.co.uk/cms_images/player/charlie-austin-potm-64064-2203073_613x460.jpg)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: oldham_villa on July 20, 2015, 08:36:27 PM

Quote from: AlexAlexCropley on July 20, 2015, 07:38:51 PM

L'Equipe tonight:
Plea's "Release Me, Let me Go"

👏👏👏

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 20, 2015, 08:38:28 PM

Hasn't been said but what about a 20m bid for Berahino?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 20, 2015, 08:38:48 PM

Quote from: adrenachrome on July 20, 2015, 08:35:07 PM

Him got some ink innit.

(http://www.qpr.co.uk/cms_images/player/charlie-austin-potm-64064-2203073_613x460.jpg)

He could do with filling that beard out a bit more. I wouldn't consider him without a full beard

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 20, 2015, 08:39:47 PM

Quote from: peter w on July 20, 2015, 08:38:28 PM

Hasn't been said but what about a 20m bid for Berahino?

Nah. A lot of his goals last season were penalties.

He's decent, but not 20 million worth of decent

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard E on July 20, 2015, 08:40:00 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 20, 2015, 08:22:12 PM

Quote from: garyshawsknee on July 20, 2015, 07:55:45 PM

Quote from: peter w on July 20, 2015, 07:45:17 PM

Quote from: garyshawsknee on July 20, 2015, 07:43:16 PM

Would love us to put in a strong bid for Dembele at Spurs. He's a bit of a bit part player there, he'd be a great attacking midfielder option for us, especially with the Euros coming up, he would need game time.

What you mean like arm wrestle them whilst putting in a bid or a bit of pushing and shoving sumo style?

yeah, a bit of strong handed intimidation !!

Send Hutton down to deliver the bid in person and add a bit of "nice little trophy cabinet you've got here, be a shame to see something happen to it..."

Spurs have a trophy cabinet? Why?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: adrenachrome on July 20, 2015, 08:40:27 PM

Quote from: taylorsworkrate on July 20, 2015, 08:38:48 PM

Quote from: adrenachrome on July 20, 2015, 08:35:07 PM

Him got some ink innit.

(http://www.qpr.co.uk/cms_images/player/charlie-austin-potm-64064-2203073_613x460.jpg)

He could do with filling that beard out a bit more. I wouldn't consider him without a full beard

Good point. Sparse beard could be a deal breaker.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: b23 on July 20, 2015, 08:46:10 PM

Quote from: adrenachrome on July 20, 2015, 08:35:07 PM

Him got some ink innit.

(http://www.qpr.co.uk/cms_images/player/charlie-austin-potm-64064-2203073_613x460.jpg)

Yes.

I agree bludfire.

Those tattoo slevees are SO indervidjewel ?

 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 20, 2015, 08:51:13 PM

Quote from: Richard E on July 20, 2015, 08:40:00 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 20, 2015, 08:22:12 PM

Quote from: garyshawsknee on July 20, 2015, 07:55:45 PM

Quote from: peter w on July 20, 2015, 07:45:17 PM

Quote from: garyshawsknee on July 20, 2015, 07:43:16 PM

Would love us to put in a strong bid for Dembele at Spurs. He's a bit of a bit part player there, he'd be a great attacking midfielder option for us, especially with the Euros coming up, he would need game time.

What you mean like arm wrestle them whilst putting in a bid or a bit of pushing and shoving sumo style?

yeah, a bit of strong handed intimidation !!

Send Hutton down to deliver the bid in person and add a bit of "nice little trophy cabinet you've got here, be a shame to see something happen to it..."

Spurs have a trophy cabinet? Why?

I'll set them up...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 20, 2015, 09:04:20 PM

Quote from: b23 on July 20, 2015, 08:46:10 PM

Quote from: adrenachrome on July 20, 2015, 08:35:07 PM

Him got some ink innit.

(http://www.qpr.co.uk/cms_images/player/charlie-austin-potm-64064-2203073_613x460.jpg)

Yes.

I agree bludfire.

Those tattoo slevees are SO indervidjewel ?

 

Good of him to plaster my lounge too

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: b23 on July 20, 2015, 09:11:32 PM

Quote from: TheMalandro on July 20, 2015, 09:04:20 PM

Quote from: b23 on July 20, 2015, 08:46:10 PM

Quote from: adrenachrome on July 20, 2015, 08:35:07 PM

Him got some ink innit.

(http://www.qpr.co.uk/cms_images/player/charlie-austin-potm-64064-2203073_613x460.jpg)

Yes.

I agree bludfire.

Those tattoo slevees are SO indervidjewel ?

 

Good of him to plaster my lounge too

#beardgang

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 20, 2015, 10:02:50 PM

Looks like he likes his dinner too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 20, 2015, 10:04:08 PM

Quote from: peter w on July 20, 2015, 10:02:50 PM

Looks like he likes his dinner too.

Stainrodesque ?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on July 20, 2015, 10:21:15 PM

Quote from: peter w on July 20, 2015, 10:02:50 PM

Looks like he likes his dinner too.

If Jack is apparently last one off the training pitch. Austin would be pushing Gabby and Joe Cole for "last out of the buffet line."

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 20, 2015, 10:32:37 PM

Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 20, 2015, 10:04:08 PM

Quote from: peter w on July 20, 2015, 10:02:50 PM

Looks like he likes his dinner too.

Stainrodesque ?

He's no Richard Dunne.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 20, 2015, 10:53:45 PM

Nempalys Mendy? Being linked with him on the back of the Daily Mule story of Adebayor to Villa as long as we either pay£5m or his £100k a week wages. Hmmm, yes please!! Not.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 20, 2015, 11:03:05 PM

Mendy appears to be, in FM speak, a regen of Makelele according to a quick google. Only 5"6 and a holding midfielder.

Plea seems to be very highly thought of too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 20, 2015, 11:09:15 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 20, 2015, 11:03:05 PM

Mendy appears to be, in FM speak, a regen of Makelele according to a quick google. Only 5"6 and a holding midfielder.

Plea seems to be very highly thought of too.

Good 'ol Wiki. I'm surprised he's not already listed as a Villa player.

Seems that Leicester are in for him as a replacement to Cambiasso. Sounds like a good player but we already have Westwood and Sanchez. At this rate, it might be cheaper to just buy Nice and loan them to ourselves.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 20, 2015, 11:24:13 PM

Chery gone to QPR

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 20, 2015, 11:24:37 PM

Our third shirt will need to be white with blue hoops and offset with a string of onions and a black beret at this rate.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 20, 2015, 11:30:58 PM

Heard people on Talksport and R5 tonight already questioning if we will go down this season.  Cheeky tw@ts on Talksport even introduced their feature with the Quo song "Down Down".

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 20, 2015, 11:31:46 PM

Quote from: TheMalandro on July 20, 2015, 09:04:20 PM

Quote from: b23 on July 20, 2015, 08:46:10 PM

Quote from: adrenachrome on July 20, 2015, 08:35:07 PM

Him got some ink innit.

(http://www.qpr.co.uk/cms_images/player/charlie-austin-potm-64064-2203073_613x460.jpg)

Yes.

I agree bludfire.

Those tattoo slevees are SO indervidjewel ?

 

Good of him to plaster my lounge too

He looks like he works on oil rigs.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pbavfckuwait on July 21, 2015, 06:19:38 AM

The young and untested theory, or the one season 18 goal prem player, dependent on Mr. Sherwood's requirements, I honestly think we need both.
I would much rather see Austin than Adeybayor, as long as we bring in another forward as well, in fact I would love Austin, Wilson and a youngster.
As for style of play, we have played two training matches, main reason for fitness nothing else, yet we seem to know how we are going to set out this season, what we do know is we scored in the low 30's last year and the guy who got the majority of them looks like he is offski, leaving us the prolific Gabby and the been out for the best part of two season Libor, Austin or whoever we need someone in calret and blue next year who knows where the net is.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on July 21, 2015, 07:10:18 AM

Quote from: Duncan Shaw on July 20, 2015, 11:24:13 PM

Chery gone to QPR

My chery no more

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 21, 2015, 07:48:44 AM

It's really just sinking in how short we are on proven premier league quality. That doesn't mean we won't be ok. But how many premier league goals did our entire squad score last year? gabby 6, okore 1, Sanchez 1, Hutton 1, Sinclair 1. Is that it?

Next fortnight is massive.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 21, 2015, 07:58:59 AM

Cole against Burnley, Clark against Leicester.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 21, 2015, 08:06:01 AM

Thanks. Twelve then.

The worry is that even once we started scoring under Sherwood we were massively reliant on benteke. And cleverley and delph were chipping in whereas grealish and nzogbia didn't.

We definitely need at least two more players with real goal scoring calibre.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 21, 2015, 08:13:51 AM

On that note, there are a couple of references to Callum Wilson having a £7m release clause. That seems unlikely to me. But if true that definitely seems worth considering?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 21, 2015, 08:47:15 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 21, 2015, 08:13:51 AM

On that note, there are a couple of references to Callum Wilson having a £7m release clause. That seems unlikely to me. But if true that definitely seems worth considering?

We should bid 10M then, to make sure we beat out any other potential bidders

:-)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 21, 2015, 08:52:03 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 21, 2015, 07:48:44 AM

It's really just sinking in how short we are on proven premier league quality. That doesn't mean we won't be ok. But how many premier league goals did our entire squad score last year? gabby 6, okore 1, Sanchez 1, Hutton 1, Sinclair 1. Is that it?

Next fortnight is massive.

This is the main reason that I think we'd be advised to go for an Adebayor/Austin combination than to take a gamble on a prospect form the European leagues. There simply aren't anywhere near enough goals in the rest of the squad.

This also needs to be a consideration in our other signings. All of the midfielders we're currently linked with are holding players but we really could do with a goal-scoring midfielder, somebody in the mold of Ian Taylor or (dare I say it) Kevin Noble (not that I'm suggesting we sign him).

It's also the reason that we can't afford to persevere with N'Zogbia this reason. There are literally hundreds of players who could come in and match his work-rate whilst offering more output Sako's still available on a free and - I'm convinced - would offer us +5 goals and +5 assists in a season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 21, 2015, 09:05:24 AM

Quote from: RussellC on July 21, 2015, 08:52:03 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 21, 2015, 07:48:44 AM

It's really just sinking in how short we are on proven premier league quality. That doesn't mean we won't be ok. But how many premier league goals did our entire squad score last year? gabby 6, okore 1, Sanchez 1, Hutton 1, Sinclair 1. Is that it?

Next fortnight is massive.

This is the main reason that I think we'd be advised to go for an Adebayor/Austin combination than to take a gamble on a prospect form the European leagues. There simply aren't anywhere near enough goals in the rest of the squad.

This also needs to be a consideration in our other signings. All of the midfielders we're currently linked with are holding players but we really could do with a goal-scoring midfielder, somebody in the mold of Ian Taylor or (dare I say it) Kevin Noble (not that I'm suggesting we sign him).

It's also the reason that we can't afford to persevere with N'Zogbia this reason. There are literally hundreds of players who could come in and match his work-rate whilst offering more output Sako's still available on a free and - I'm convinced - would offer us +5 goals and +5 assists in a season.

It's a no to Kevin Noble from me. Much prefer Mark Nolan. Although if you could combine the two he'd be a helluva player.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 21, 2015, 09:19:31 AM

To clarify - I'm not for a second suggesting that we sign Kevin Nolan, but can player in that mold. A midfielder who will chip-in with 8 or 9 goals a season. Delph and Cleverley both provided excellent energy in the midfield last season but neither contributed anywhere near enough goals or assists.

If you compare those two to, say, Ki and Shelvey at Swansea, I would back Delph & Cleverley to have covered a lot more distance last season but been nowhere near as effective. Fitness and energy levels are obviously key to being a Premiership midfielder, but if we're going to play a 4-3-3 next season, we really need one of those 3 to be able to provide a few goals.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 21, 2015, 09:19:40 AM

we need three in before Bournemouth imo

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 21, 2015, 09:20:31 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 21, 2015, 07:48:44 AM

It's really just sinking in how short we are on proven premier league quality. That doesn't mean we won't be ok. But how many premier league goals did our entire squad score last year? gabby 6, okore 1, Sanchez 1, Hutton 1, Sinclair 1. Is that it?

Next fortnight is massive.

Cleverly got 3 I think , Weimann got 2, don't think Delph scored a league goal , we are in real need of some creativity and someone who can get on the end of it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on July 21, 2015, 10:26:46 AM

Quote from: Bottom Right 89 on July 21, 2015, 07:10:18 AM

Quote from: Duncan Shaw on July 20, 2015, 11:24:13 PM

Chery gone to QPR

My chery no more

Well done.

I think Sinclair has it in him to get 5-7 goals this season with enough playing time - he got 8 in his final season at Swansea. If Kozak comes back strongly, I don't see why he can't get 10+ goals...but I'm expecting growing pains, so I bet he'll end up something closer to 6 or 7 for the entire season. We desperately need a surprise package when it comes to goal scoring - something like Grealish realising he's actually allowed to shoot, Gil improving on his very mediocre record in Spain, maybe even someone like Gary Gardner, who scored a couple of long-range belters on loan.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: in exile on July 21, 2015, 10:31:57 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 21, 2015, 09:19:40 AM

we need three in before Bournemouth imo

We need three in before Walsall imo

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 21, 2015, 10:32:35 AM

Quote from: passitsideways on July 21, 2015, 10:26:46 AM

I think Sinclair has it in him to get 5-7 goals this season with enough playing time - he got 8 in his final season at Swansea.

I expect that anytime that he is on the pitch he's likely to be our penalty taker as well, given he took them for Swansea.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on July 21, 2015, 10:45:32 AM

Quote from: Dave on July 21, 2015, 10:32:35 AM

Quote from: passitsideways on July 21, 2015, 10:26:46 AM

I think Sinclair has it in him to get 5-7 goals this season with enough playing time - he got 8 in his final season at Swansea.

I expect that anytime that he is on the pitch he's likely to be our penalty taker as well, given he took them for Swansea.

I think Westwood and Bacuna both are in with a chance for that task as well, since they also took pens for their clubs before moving here.

Of course, we might not even win a penalty this season. Did we manage a single one outside of Foster's brain explosion last season?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 21, 2015, 10:50:13 AM

Cleverley only covered a lot of ground and displayed a lot of enthusiasm and energy from the brief period between the arrival of TS and the Everton game.   The rest of the time he clearly considered himself too good to be arsed for Aston Villa.   The only reason I raise the point is because we must not sign more players who can only turn it on when they feel like it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 21, 2015, 10:53:03 AM

Bacuna had a 100% penalty scoring record at Groningen... not sure how many he actually took in total though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 21, 2015, 10:57:15 AM

I guess it's tricky - I wouldn't want to put too much money on any of Sinclair, Bacuna and Westwood being in our first choice team next season. Equally, they could potentially all be.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 21, 2015, 11:06:35 AM

Agree Dave, though my money would be on all of them being more absent than present.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 21, 2015, 11:35:43 AM

Quote from: brian green on July 21, 2015, 10:50:13 AM

Cleverley only covered a lot of ground and displayed a lot of enthusiasm and energy from the brief period between the arrival of TS and the Everton game.   The rest of the time he clearly considered himself too good to be arsed for Aston Villa.   The only reason I raise the point is because we must not sign more players who can only turn it on when they feel like it.

Have to disagree Brian. Sherwood's arrival saw a change in the team's shape and, most noticeably, a lot more movement ahead of Cleverley, which facilitated improved performances from him. I don't think either his attitude or work-load changed at all.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 21, 2015, 11:44:25 AM

We all see things differently Russell.   The Cleverley I saw in the cup final, to me, was the Cleverley we had watched for most of the season prior to TS.   How he fares at Everton will tell us more.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 21, 2015, 11:55:35 AM

Quote from: brian green on July 21, 2015, 11:44:25 AM

We all see things differently Russell.   The Cleverley I saw in the cup final, to me, was the Cleverley we had watched for most of the season prior to TS.   How he fares at Everton will tell us more.

Too true Brian. For what it's worth, I thought his application was always very good, even when he wasn't playing well. Here's hoping that Gueye can fill the gap sufficiently.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: not3bad on July 21, 2015, 12:25:05 PM

Quote from: RussellC on July 21, 2015, 11:55:35 AM

Quote from: brian green on July 21, 2015, 11:44:25 AM

We all see things differently Russell.   The Cleverley I saw in the cup final, to me, was the Cleverley we had watched for most of the season prior to TS.   How he fares at Everton will tell us more.

Too true Brian. For what it's worth, I thought his application was always very good, even when he wasn't playing well. Here's hoping that Gueye can fill the gap sufficiently.

Not sure how valid it is to make judgements on the Cup Final though, as they were all shit.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 21, 2015, 12:41:07 PM

I hope the link with Tom Carroll is true, he'd be a decent replacement for Delph from what I've seen. He's a better passer of the ball and he has a good shot too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 21, 2015, 12:50:26 PM

Quote from: RussellC on July 21, 2015, 11:35:43 AM

Quote from: brian green on July 21, 2015, 10:50:13 AM

Cleverley only covered a lot of ground and displayed a lot of enthusiasm and energy from the brief period between the arrival of TS and the Everton game.   The rest of the time he clearly considered himself too good to be arsed for Aston Villa.   The only reason I raise the point is because we must not sign more players who can only turn it on when they feel like it.

Have to disagree Brian. Sherwood's arrival saw a change in the team's shape and, most noticeably, a lot more movement ahead of Cleverley, which facilitated improved performances from him. I don't think either his attitude or work-load changed at all.

Personally, I just thought he was cack.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 21, 2015, 12:53:14 PM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 21, 2015, 12:50:26 PM

Quote from: RussellC on July 21, 2015, 11:35:43 AM

Quote from: brian green on July 21, 2015, 10:50:13 AM

Cleverley only covered a lot of ground and displayed a lot of enthusiasm and energy from the brief period between the arrival of TS and the Everton game.   The rest of the time he clearly considered himself too good to be arsed for Aston Villa.   The only reason I raise the point is because we must not sign more players who can only turn it on when they feel like it.

Have to disagree Brian. Sherwood's arrival saw a change in the team's shape and, most noticeably, a lot more movement ahead of Cleverley, which facilitated improved performances from him. I don't think either his attitude or work-load changed at all.

Personally, I just thought he was cack.

But then you also think that Joe Bennett would make a good centre-back! ;-)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 21, 2015, 12:55:39 PM

Well actually no, but never mind. :-)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2015, 01:33:45 PM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 21, 2015, 12:50:26 PM

Quote from: RussellC on July 21, 2015, 11:35:43 AM

Quote from: brian green on July 21, 2015, 10:50:13 AM

Cleverley only covered a lot of ground and displayed a lot of enthusiasm and energy from the brief period between the arrival of TS and the Everton game.   The rest of the time he clearly considered himself too good to be arsed for Aston Villa.   The only reason I raise the point is because we must not sign more players who can only turn it on when they feel like it.

Have to disagree Brian. Sherwood's arrival saw a change in the team's shape and, most noticeably, a lot more movement ahead of Cleverley, which facilitated improved performances from him. I don't think either his attitude or work-load changed at all.

Personally, I just thought he was cack.

pre Sherwood I thought he was one of the worst players we'd had in a while (which is really saying something). For about five or six matches he was then excellent.

For pretty much the rest of the season, he was fucking crap again. Mind you, they all were.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 21, 2015, 01:35:21 PM

Quote from: TheMalandro on July 21, 2015, 12:41:07 PM

I hope the link with Tom Carroll is true, he'd be a decent replacement for Delph from what I've seen. He's a better passer of the ball and he has a good shot too.

Same here.  I'd be pleased if we git him in.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 21, 2015, 01:38:02 PM

Lambert had the entire team playing "excellently" in our own half for 85 minutes a game. No wonder certain players looked utterly bollocks if they weren't allowed to express themselves. Sherwood pushed Cleverley and everyone else forward and provided Cleverley with the freedom to play and be creative and he and everyone improved markedly. Every player had an off day in the cup final. We choked and Arsenal were great and everything happened as it should as a result.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on July 21, 2015, 02:01:04 PM

Plus he got an early card in the final and so could hardly afford charging into contests like he'd been doing for the two months leading up to it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on July 21, 2015, 03:23:04 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 21, 2015, 10:53:03 AM

Bacuna had a 100% penalty scoring record at Groningen... not sure how many he actually took in total though.

I have never missed a penalty for Aston Villa

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 21, 2015, 03:47:55 PM

well, back on topic I hope something's going on.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 21, 2015, 04:01:20 PM

Hopefully a few things. Horrible not hearing anything, even links to good players is encouraging.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frank black on July 21, 2015, 04:04:02 PM

Apparently we are still 'preparing' our bid for Adebayor.

What's to prepare? And how long does it take? A season loan please, too risky to buy.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 21, 2015, 04:10:26 PM

All gone way too quiet considering our captain and to scorer have left. We need 3 by Bournemouth plus a couple of loans on top by Jim White day to be comfortable.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 21, 2015, 04:35:35 PM

maybe Oulare and Embolo, plus the remaining  members of Nice's first team are 'preparing' to fly in as we post.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 21, 2015, 04:45:06 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 21, 2015, 04:10:26 PM

All gone way too quiet considering our captain and to scorer have left. We need 3 by Bournemouth plus a couple of loans on top by Jim White day to be comfortable.

Yeah, I make it that we still need 5- 2 strikers, 2 midfielders and a centre-back. We don't have too many places in the squad at present though (ironically) so still need to move a few out. Would like a right-back too, but Hutton and Bacuna aren't the end of the world (plus Mason looks like he could fill-in there).

On that note, does anyone know if Amavi still qualifies as an U21, or will he need one of the 25 spaces?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 21, 2015, 04:55:30 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 21, 2015, 04:10:26 PM

All gone way too quiet considering our captain and to scorer have left. We need 3 by Bournemouth plus a couple of loans on top by Jim White day to be comfortable.

I'm sure we'll announce something as soon as Benteke finally leaves. We quickly signed Gueye when the club thought Delph was leaving then the same with Amavi when he finally did leave.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 21, 2015, 05:07:59 PM

The plan seemed to be for Gueye to line up alongside Delph, not instead of i.e. he was Cleverley's replacement. Both the Amavi and Gueye deals had been going on for some time and the announcement just seemed to be a PR tactic to try and counter bad news to limit the effect on season ticket sales.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frank black on July 21, 2015, 05:24:05 PM

Quote from: OCD on July 21, 2015, 05:07:59 PM

The plan seemed to be for Gueye to line up alongside Delph, not instead of i.e. he was Cleverley's replacement. Both the Amavi and Gueye deals had been going on for some time and the announcement just seemed to be a PR tactic to try and counter bad news to limit the effect on season ticket sales.

I disagree I think Gueye replaced Delph as they knew he was off as soon as the season ended. Tim did look a little shocked that Delph did his first U turn.

Much work to do, should be quite exciting over the next couple of weeks.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 21, 2015, 06:07:19 PM

In interviews, Sherwood talked about Gueye and Delph playing together. Until Man City exercised the clause in his contract, he was our player and speculation would have just been considered conjecture. Whereas Cleverley was never our player and he signed up to Everton very quickly so Occam's Razor would say that he was Cleverley's replacement.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 21, 2015, 06:13:14 PM

Randy's flown in then;  just a flying visit to trouser the Benteke cash?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 21, 2015, 06:17:55 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 21, 2015, 06:13:14 PM

Randy's flown in then;  just a flying visit to trouser the Benteke cash?

If the next flight is to Delaware you're spot on.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Shrek on July 21, 2015, 06:21:42 PM

We've sold/released 11 players this summer, with only 5 coming in. We surely have to buy at least 4-5 more players

Given
Vlaar
Delph
Benteke (not confirmed)
Cleverley
Weimann
Luna
Bent
Lowton
Helenius
Sylla

Have all now left.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eamonn on July 21, 2015, 06:26:03 PM

The last five on your list may well have not been here last season (Lowts season-saving penalty-win against West Brom notwithstanding).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 21, 2015, 06:35:21 PM

The rumour being spread by the Nixon feels at the sun seems to be that Sherwood has only got the Delph money and half the Benteke money due to that being what Liverpool have paid to start with. The rights and wrongs of that are a long debate but it does seem strange that you can activate a release clause and then spread the payments over his contact.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2015, 06:38:16 PM

Staggered payments are standard in football transfers. Almost nobody just spunks the whole amount into the face of the selling club.

If that were true - the 8m plus half the Benteke money - then I think we're going to struggle. It's not enough.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2015, 06:38:35 PM

Although on the bright side, Alan Nixon is a know-nothing twat.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 21, 2015, 06:38:51 PM

Quote from: Shrek on July 21, 2015, 06:21:42 PM

We've sold/released 11 players this summer, with only 5 coming in. We surely have to buy at least 4-5 more players

Given
Vlaar
Delph
Benteke (not confirmed)
Cleverley
Weimann
Luna
Bent
Lowton
Helenius
Sylla

Have all now left.

Of those, 7 were used last season. The others went out on loan. So really it's 7 out and 5 in. The overall quality is what matters and I doubt it's escaped anybody's attention that work needs to be done.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 21, 2015, 06:40:22 PM

I doubt Nixon has the inside scoop on what our boardroom team are thinking/doing.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 21, 2015, 06:42:58 PM

That's still the best part of £25m

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 21, 2015, 06:53:58 PM

Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 21, 2015, 06:42:58 PM

That's still the best part of £25m

If true, which I doubt, then £25 million is not enough to get our squad to an acceptable level

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: boboonthecorner on July 21, 2015, 06:54:33 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 21, 2015, 06:35:21 PM

The rumour being spread by the Nixon feels at the sun seems to be that Sherwood has only got the Delph money and half the Benteke money due to that being what Liverpool have paid to start with. The rights and wrongs of that are a long debate but it does seem strange that you can activate a release clause and then spread the payments over his contact.

Seems a little odd if this is true, like buying a house kicking the owners onto the street and saying here you go find something smaller whilst I pay you the rest when I feel like it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 21, 2015, 06:59:11 PM

Depends how you spend it;
Tom Carroll - £3m
Adebayor - loan
Wilson or Obbi - £7m
Townsend - £14m
In my opinion that would leave us stronger than having Delph and Benteke

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eamonn on July 21, 2015, 07:00:16 PM

We've probably not paid everything up-front for the two French fellas, the way it works, right?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: boboonthecorner on July 21, 2015, 07:01:44 PM

Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 21, 2015, 06:59:11 PM

Depends how you spend it;
Tom Carroll - £3m
Adebayor - loan
Wilson or Obbi - £7m
Townsend - £14m
In my opinion that would leave us stronger than having Delph and Benteke

In my opinion it wouldn't. Not one player mentioned coming in is anywhere near the class of the two that have left or leaving.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: boboonthecorner on July 21, 2015, 07:05:13 PM

Quote from: eamonn on July 21, 2015, 07:00:16 PM

We've probably not paid everything up-front for the two French fellas, the way it works, right?

Well if we believe the press most teams take turns each pre season in buggering us senseless, this year its  the turn of Liverpool and Man City(we seem to like letting them do it).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 21, 2015, 07:09:22 PM

Quote from: boboonthecorner on July 21, 2015, 07:01:44 PM

Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 21, 2015, 06:59:11 PM

Depends how you spend it;
Tom Carroll - £3m
Adebayor - loan
Wilson or Obbi - £7m
Townsend - £14m
In my opinion that would leave us stronger than having Delph and Benteke

In my opinion it wouldn't. Not one player mentioned coming in is anywhere near the class of the two that have left or leaving.

Pretty good attempt I thought. I'm not too keen on Townsend at that price

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 21, 2015, 07:14:17 PM

Quote from: TheMalandro on July 21, 2015, 07:09:22 PM

Quote from: boboonthecorner on July 21, 2015, 07:01:44 PM

Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 21, 2015, 06:59:11 PM

Depends how you spend it;
Tom Carroll - £3m
Adebayor - loan
Wilson or Obbi - £7m
Townsend - £14m
In my opinion that would leave us stronger than having Delph and Benteke

In my opinion it wouldn't. Not one player mentioned coming in is anywhere near the class of the two that have left or leaving.

Pretty good attempt I thought. I'm not too keen on Townsend at that price

I don't like Townsend at £14m more £10m ideally. Just facing facts that Daniel levy seems to pull everyone's pants down on their sales

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 21, 2015, 07:19:37 PM

Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 21, 2015, 07:14:17 PM

Quote from: TheMalandro on July 21, 2015, 07:09:22 PM

Quote from: boboonthecorner on July 21, 2015, 07:01:44 PM

Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 21, 2015, 06:59:11 PM

Depends how you spend it;
Tom Carroll - £3m
Adebayor - loan
Wilson or Obbi - £7m
Townsend - £14m
In my opinion that would leave us stronger than having Delph and Benteke

In my opinion it wouldn't. Not one player mentioned coming in is anywhere near the class of the two that have left or leaving.

Pretty good attempt I thought. I'm not too keen on Townsend at that price

I don't like Townsend at £14m more £10m ideally. Just facing facts that Daniel levy seems to pull everyone's pants down on their sales

Need a central defender/right back too, depending where Richards is playing.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on July 21, 2015, 07:21:26 PM

Tom Carroll to replace Delph? When did he become any good?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt C on July 21, 2015, 07:30:59 PM

Cambiasso has confirmed he's leaving Leicester...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 21, 2015, 07:32:12 PM

Cambiasso has announced he won't be rejoining Leicester. We should defiantly snap him up!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 21, 2015, 07:34:14 PM

Quote from: Matt C on July 21, 2015, 07:30:59 PM

Cambiasso has confirmed he's leaving Leicester...

100% we should get him (although his next move will be confirmed shortly after this announcement)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt C on July 21, 2015, 07:38:36 PM

Agreed. Good short term move for us. Bit of nous.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 21, 2015, 07:46:06 PM

I think he would be a perfect signing for us right now. Great experience, could step into being captain of day Clark is out for any reason, and I am sure Westwood could play a more box to box role,which I am sure he did at  Crewe.  Would love us to get him, but doubt we will.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 21, 2015, 07:46:25 PM

Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 21, 2015, 07:32:12 PM

Cambiasso has announced he won't be rejoining Leicester. We should defiantly snap him up!

Defiantly? I do agree and hope we've got this lined up already

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 21, 2015, 08:04:07 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 21, 2015, 07:46:25 PM

Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 21, 2015, 07:32:12 PM

Cambiasso has announced he won't be rejoining Leicester. We should defiantly snap him up!

Defiantly? I do agree and hope we've got this lined up already

Didn't mean we have or will, just imo we should 'definitely' snap him up

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on July 21, 2015, 08:09:22 PM

Is Cambiasso not 100 years old already

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 21, 2015, 08:14:34 PM

Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 21, 2015, 06:59:11 PM

Depends how you spend it;
Tom Carroll - £3m
Adebayor - loan
Wilson or Obbi - £7m
Townsend - £14m
In my opinion that would leave us stronger than having Delph and Benteke

Christ I think that would be a horrible spend.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 21, 2015, 08:17:22 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 21, 2015, 08:14:34 PM

Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 21, 2015, 06:59:11 PM

Depends how you spend it;
Tom Carroll - £3m
Adebayor - loan
Wilson or Obbi - £7m
Townsend - £14m
In my opinion that would leave us stronger than having Delph and Benteke

Christ I think that would be a horrible spend.

£25m spend maximum, who would you choose (realistically)?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on July 21, 2015, 08:22:27 PM

Quote from: TheMalandro on July 21, 2015, 12:41:07 PM

I hope the link with Tom Carroll is true, he'd be a decent replacement for Delph from what I've seen. He's a better passer of the ball and he has a good shot too.

arguably Gary Gardner has delivered more at adult level than Tom Carroll.....

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: DB on July 21, 2015, 08:24:48 PM

No feckin Spuds cast offs!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 21, 2015, 08:25:33 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 21, 2015, 08:14:34 PM

Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 21, 2015, 06:59:11 PM

Depends how you spend it;
Tom Carroll - £3m
Adebayor - loan
Wilson or Obbi - £7m
Townsend - £14m
In my opinion that would leave us stronger than having Delph and Benteke

Christ I think that would be a horrible spend.

£4m would be a waste on Townsend nevermind £14m.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on July 21, 2015, 08:26:07 PM

Quote from: OCD on July 21, 2015, 06:40:22 PM

I doubt Nixon has the inside scoop on what our boardroom team are thinking/doing.

Our manager was very close to certain media organs during his time at Spurs, certainly it was reported he was behind a lot of the leaks undermining AVB

I think all our business this summer is going to be well flagged....

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on July 21, 2015, 08:29:37 PM

Quote from: RussellC on July 21, 2015, 09:19:31 AM

To clarify - I'm not for a second suggesting that we sign Kevin Nolan, but can player in that mold. A midfielder who will chip-in with 8 or 9 goals a season. Delph and Cleverley both provided excellent energy in the midfield last season but neither contributed anywhere near enough goals or assists.

If you compare those two to, say, Ki and Shelvey at Swansea, I would back Delph & Cleverley to have covered a lot more distance last season but been nowhere near as effective. Fitness and energy levels are obviously key to being a Premiership midfielder, but if we're going to play a 4-3-3 next season, we really need one of those 3 to be able to provide a few goals.

Fellaini on loan would be ideal, no doubt he will have better offers but he will get goals in the BPL

If our squad stays as-is we will be gone by Xmas simple as

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: exigo on July 21, 2015, 08:29:45 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on July 21, 2015, 03:23:04 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 21, 2015, 10:53:03 AM

Bacuna had a 100% penalty scoring record at Groningen... not sure how many he actually took in total though.

I have never missed a penalty for Aston Villa

I've never missed a penalty at Villa Park. And I've genuinely taken one. Watching the ball hit the net in front of the Holte is an incredible feeling.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 21, 2015, 08:34:11 PM

I like Townsend and I think £12m or less would be fair enough for a young England international in the current market. I do however think that we are covered for wide/flair players with Gill, Sinclair, Bacuna, J Cole, Grealish, and even maybe Gabby and N Zog already here.
I think the money would be better spent elsewhere and I propose £15m for Austin, Cambiasso for free and another £10m for another CB and RB.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 21, 2015, 08:38:45 PM

I know clause etc etc, but if we pay more for Townsend than we got for Delph I might cry a little bit.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 21, 2015, 08:40:19 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 21, 2015, 08:38:45 PM

I know clause etc etc, but if we pay more for Townsend than we got for Delph I might cry a little bit.

I know what you mean, but there was a clause :-)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 21, 2015, 08:40:50 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on July 21, 2015, 08:26:07 PM

Quote from: OCD on July 21, 2015, 06:40:22 PM

I doubt Nixon has the inside scoop on what our boardroom team are thinking/doing.

Our manager was very close to certain media organs during his time at Spurs, certainly it was reported he was behind a lot of the leaks undermining AVB

I think all our business this summer is going to be well flagged....

Even if true (I'm saying it is), there was motive to undermine AVB. What would his motive be for letting the media know what the budget is? There might not even be a definite figure - before now Lerner has just given the ok to certain moves near the end of a window (Benteke, Kozak).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard E on July 21, 2015, 08:41:55 PM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 21, 2015, 08:40:19 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 21, 2015, 08:38:45 PM

I know clause etc etc, but if we pay more for Townsend than we got for Delph I might cry a little bit.

I know what you mean, but there was a clause :-)

Yeah, but we could still have sparked a bidding war, couldn't we? ;-)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 21, 2015, 08:45:31 PM

Quote from: Richard E on July 21, 2015, 08:41:55 PM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 21, 2015, 08:40:19 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 21, 2015, 08:38:45 PM

I know clause etc etc, but if we pay more for Townsend than we got for Delph I might cry a little bit.

I know what you mean, but there was a clause :-)

Yeah, but we could still have sparked a bidding war, couldn't we? ;-)

Would it still have been a clause if we had have done a player exchange? So, Townsend for Delph (yes I now I know). But bear with me...just using Townsend as an example...the clause is £8m but it takes someone to bis it. So we could have just had Townsend for Delph. Of course Tottenham would have said 8m in cash and then give us 7m. I'd have taken that.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 21, 2015, 08:46:01 PM

The only motive for telling people you have £25 million, is when you've actually got £40 odd million.

That said, if we spent another £25 million, that would be an outlay of £44 million, exactly what has come in or will come in.

If you can't sign three or four good players with that money then your name is Martin O'Neill.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 21, 2015, 08:47:01 PM

                        Guzan
Hutton       Richards     Okore       Amavi

                 Cambiasso  Sanchez
                             Gueye
Gill                                             Grealish
                             Austin

With everyone playing to their full potential and some good management/coaching from Sherwood and Wilkins, that team should improve on last season by 3-4 places and if we got a better right back and centre back to replace Okore we could do better still.
We would also have some half decent players in reserve, and if central midfield needs work in January spend a bit more then.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: asgpaul on July 21, 2015, 09:05:31 PM

I'd like to see us go for not only Austin but Matt Phillips too from QPR - maybe we could get them in a buy one get one free deal...!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Concrete John on July 21, 2015, 09:16:46 PM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 21, 2015, 08:34:11 PM

I like Townsend and I think £12m or less would be fair enough for a young England international in the current market. I do however think that we are covered for wide/flair players with Gill, Sinclair, Bacuna, J Cole, Grealish, and even maybe Gabby and N Zog already here.
I think the money would be better spent elsewhere and I propose £15m for Austin, Cambiasso for free and another £10m for another CB and RB.

I think Bacuna is seen as a RB and Cole and N'Zog are probably in our new bomb squad.  If you play with width like Sinclair, you need balance the other side and that could be Townsend, with Gil and Grealish behind a striker in a 4-2-3-1 or a bench option if we go 4-3-3. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 21, 2015, 09:23:51 PM

Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 21, 2015, 08:17:22 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 21, 2015, 08:14:34 PM

Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 21, 2015, 06:59:11 PM

Depends how you spend it;
Tom Carroll - £3m
Adebayor - loan
Wilson or Obbi - £7m
Townsend - £14m
In my opinion that would leave us stronger than having Delph and Benteke

Christ I think that would be a horrible spend.

£25m spend maximum, who would you choose (realistically)?

I'm not sure, but I wouldn't go near Townsend at that sort of figure and we need a better and more established player than Carroll. Adebayor on loan would be ok. I have no idea about the other two!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: FatSam on July 21, 2015, 09:26:09 PM

Quote from: DB on July 21, 2015, 08:24:48 PM

No feckin Spuds cast offs!

Well put.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 21, 2015, 09:40:39 PM

Quote from: FatSam on July 21, 2015, 09:26:09 PM

Quote from: DB on July 21, 2015, 08:24:48 PM

No feckin Spuds cast offs!

Well put.

As sickening as it is, we are currently Miles begind Spurs. They have many players that would walk into our 11. Townsend, Adebayor, walker, dembele, mason etc

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 21, 2015, 09:43:44 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2015, 06:38:16 PM

Staggered payments are standard in football transfers. Almost nobody just spunks the whole amount into the face of the selling club.

If that were true - the 8m plus half the Benteke money - then I think we're going to struggle. It's not enough.

I accept they are part in the norm, but in a buyout clause to be met, I would expect it paid in full.

If it is 25m, then I would go for Cambiasso (1m signing on), Oulere (7m), Adebayor (loan) Praet (8m), Walker (10m). Some potential, some experience and give us balance on the right to the left going forward.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on July 21, 2015, 09:52:57 PM

I think it's obvious whatever money we have right now has to go primarily on a striker. Praet et al are nice links, but even against Swindon Agbonlahor couldn't rise to the occasion. We're relying too much on a striker that can't score and one who's been out for over a year at this point.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on July 21, 2015, 09:59:22 PM

If we aren't getting the full fee the doesn't that simply mean that teams we buy off don't as well, ie Spurs only get £3m up front for Adebayor with the rest to follow?

*baits peg*

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 21, 2015, 09:59:25 PM

I think we need 2 strikers, 1 for now, and 1 for the future and a bit now.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 21, 2015, 09:59:44 PM

Two strikers please. If its adebayor so be It - let's say that takes up £4m or so whether fee or wages
Another for around £10m or less (or more if someone of that calibre will come).

Cambiasso free

Matt Phillips £8m

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: DB on July 21, 2015, 10:05:36 PM

Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 21, 2015, 09:40:39 PM

Quote from: FatSam on July 21, 2015, 09:26:09 PM

Quote from: DB on July 21, 2015, 08:24:48 PM

No feckin Spuds cast offs!

Well put.

As sickening as it is, we are currently Miles begind Spurs. They have many players that would walk into our 11. Townsend, Adebayor, walker, dembele, mason etc

I would not touch any that have been linked with us with a barge pole. Especially Adebayor...avoid.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 21, 2015, 10:06:27 PM

Can't believe we are allowing them to pay for Benteke in installments, we are just far too nice a club.
We'll probably gift wrap him with a big fucking bow for them aswell.
We need the cash all of it for replacements.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 21, 2015, 10:07:57 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 21, 2015, 09:59:25 PM

I think we need 2 strikers, 1 for now, and 1 for the future and a bit now.

Plus one for the inevitable training ground injury.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 21, 2015, 10:10:28 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 21, 2015, 10:06:27 PM

Can't believe we are allowing them to pay for Benteke in installments, we are just far too nice a club.
We'll probably gift wrap him with a big fucking bow for them aswell.
We need the cash all of it for replacements.

Yes but our purchases will presumably also be in instalments. It's better to have it  all up front but it's unusual

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on July 21, 2015, 10:11:01 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 21, 2015, 10:06:27 PM

Can't believe we are allowing them to pay for Benteke in installments, we are just far too nice a club.
We'll probably gift wrap him with a big fucking bow for them aswell.
We need the cash all of it for replacements.

All transfers are done this way.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 21, 2015, 10:15:22 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 21, 2015, 10:06:27 PM

Can't believe we are allowing them to pay for Benteke in installments, we are just far too nice a club.
We'll probably gift wrap him with a big fucking bow for them aswell.
We need the cash all of it for replacements.

Are you seriously unaware of how transfer fees, especially sizeable ones, are usually paid?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 21, 2015, 10:16:05 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on July 21, 2015, 10:11:01 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 21, 2015, 10:06:27 PM

Can't believe we are allowing them to pay for Benteke in installments, we are just far too nice a club.
We'll probably gift wrap him with a big fucking bow for them aswell.
We need the cash all of it for replacements.

All transfers are done this way.

No they aren't. Andy Carroll, Newcastle made the bin dippers pay up front, all of it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Monty on July 21, 2015, 10:17:36 PM

Out of interest, why does it matter? Most of our bigger transfers (all none of them) are probably paid in installments. Are you suggesting Liverpool are going to do a Greece on us and fail to make their payments?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on July 21, 2015, 10:19:00 PM

Ok, most transfer fees are spread over the length of contract.

We are over a barrel, he has a release fee and we don't want it dragging on too long. Lets just get it done and move on

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 21, 2015, 10:21:39 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 21, 2015, 10:16:05 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on July 21, 2015, 10:11:01 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 21, 2015, 10:06:27 PM

Can't believe we are allowing them to pay for Benteke in installments, we are just far too nice a club.
We'll probably gift wrap him with a big fucking bow for them aswell.
We need the cash all of it for replacements.

All transfers are done this way.

No they aren't. Andy Carroll, Newcastle made the bin dippers pay up front, all of it.

Really? Are you sure? They used the money from the sale of Torres to Chelsea who spread that £50m fee over a 5 year period.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 21, 2015, 10:28:09 PM

Quote from: peter w on July 21, 2015, 10:21:39 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 21, 2015, 10:16:05 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on July 21, 2015, 10:11:01 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 21, 2015, 10:06:27 PM

Can't believe we are allowing them to pay for Benteke in installments, we are just far too nice a club.
We'll probably gift wrap him with a big fucking bow for them aswell.
We need the cash all of it for replacements.

All transfers are done this way.

No they aren't. Andy Carroll, Newcastle made the bin dippers pay up front, all of it.

Really? Are you sure? They used the money from the sale of Torres to Chelsea who spread that £50m fee over a 5 year period.

Yes all £36m up front, even charged some interest on that as the money was a few hours late.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 21, 2015, 10:29:55 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 21, 2015, 10:16:05 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on July 21, 2015, 10:11:01 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 21, 2015, 10:06:27 PM

Can't believe we are allowing them to pay for Benteke in installments, we are just far too nice a club.
We'll probably gift wrap him with a big fucking bow for them aswell.
We need the cash all of it for replacements.

All transfers are done this way.

No they aren't. Andy Carroll, Newcastle made the bin dippers pay up front, all of it.

And how many others have been?
We have no idea what was stipulated in Carroll's contract, how much of the pay up front was driven by something like to avoid an extra £10M on the transfer fee as a guessed example (and nor should we)
We have no idea what is stipulated in Benteke's release clause. Half up front and the rest over X years might actually be a result if standard practice is say 25% up front and the rest over X years.
Basically we don't know any of the fine detail that would allow an informed evaluation of whether we've been royally screwed, or have screwed the best deal that we could have reasonably expected (or even exceeded those expectations) within the constraints of the contract.

What isn't reasonable is to assume that IF we only end up with 50% up front, that that should negatively effect Sherwood's budget, when the instalments is what would be used for all significant transfer amounts, including our purchases.
Someone like Risso or Ad@m would better explain it, but I'm sure that within our accounts there are accruals for future liabilities (transfer fee instalments still to be paid) and the equivalent entries (expected future income?) for transfer fees expected to be received.

As the good book said to Ford.  Don't Panic!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on July 21, 2015, 10:33:37 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 21, 2015, 10:28:09 PM

Quote from: peter w on July 21, 2015, 10:21:39 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 21, 2015, 10:16:05 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on July 21, 2015, 10:11:01 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 21, 2015, 10:06:27 PM

Can't believe we are allowing them to pay for Benteke in installments, we are just far too nice a club.
We'll probably gift wrap him with a big fucking bow for them aswell.
We need the cash all of it for replacements.

All transfers are done this way.

No they aren't. Andy Carroll, Newcastle made the bin dippers pay up front, all of it.

Really? Are you sure? They used the money from the sale of Torres to Chelsea who spread that £50m fee over a 5 year period.

Yes all £36m up front, even charged some interest on that as the money was a few hours late.

Where did you read that? The only thing I've seen about Carroll's fee was when he was signing for West Ham and Newcastle hadn't been paid the last of their instalments from the deal yet.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 21, 2015, 10:47:53 PM

Telegraph

the telephone down on Liverpool when they offered £30m and later insisted that the full £35m fee be paid in one instalment as Newcastle exploited Liverpool's desperation to sign a replacement for Fernando Torres, who leaving for Chelsea.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 21, 2015, 10:47:59 PM

Glad to see that the lack of transfer activity isn't resulting in totally pointless discussions.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 21, 2015, 10:49:22 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 21, 2015, 10:47:53 PM

Telegraph

the telephone down on Liverpool when they offered £30m and later insisted that the full £35m fee be paid in one instalment as Newcastle exploited Liverpool's desperation to sign a replacement for Fernando Torres, who leaving for Chelsea.

Wonderfully written piece. Must be true then.

Not sure I believe it though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 21, 2015, 10:50:45 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on July 21, 2015, 10:19:00 PM

Ok, most transfer fees are spread over the length of contract.

We are over a barrel, he has a release fee and we don't want it dragging on too long. Lets just get it done and move on

You're being far too sensible. Have you thought about a transfer?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 21, 2015, 10:51:48 PM

Quote from: peter w on July 21, 2015, 10:49:22 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 21, 2015, 10:47:53 PM

Telegraph

the telephone down on Liverpool when they offered £30m and later insisted that the full £35m fee be paid in one instalment as Newcastle exploited Liverpool's desperation to sign a replacement for Fernando Torres, who leaving for Chelsea.

Wonderfully written piece. Must be true then.

Not sure I believe it though.

With typos like that, it must have been the Guardian, surely?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 21, 2015, 10:52:37 PM

Llambias explained: "It is about control. We had the control. We knew the Torres deal was there. We drew that f****** deal, perhaps the ultimate. So £30m? F*** off! Don't waste my time and I slammed the phone down.

"£35m? Everybody including Pardew [manager Alan Pardew] all agreed. But the £35m they wanted to pay over four years. It was rubbish. Mike (Ashley) said - and he is a brave boy Mike I promise you - get all the £35m up front. We got it all up front and then they never paid us on time and we charged them 12 grand f****** interest."

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 21, 2015, 10:57:01 PM

It was the last day of the January window, Liverpool had sold their key striker and approached Newcastle right at the last minute. They really did have them over a barrel so it's not surprising that they could structure the deal as they chose. Carroll also didn't have a release clause.

That transfer isn't an example of how deals are normally done and just because there's one precedent doesn't mean we're in a position to be doing that (perhaps in the same scenario). We'll make deals the same way so we're probably quite happy with the way it's done.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 21, 2015, 11:07:23 PM

Some clubs actually prefer to receive staggered payments, for accounting/tax purposes. Albion loaning Curtis Davies to us for a season prior to charging £10m being an example.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 21, 2015, 11:08:40 PM

Let's just sell the fcuker and get moving in the market. All This waiting is doing my crust in.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 21, 2015, 11:09:32 PM

Quote from: Des Little on July 21, 2015, 11:08:40 PM

Let's just sell the fcuker and get moving in the market. All This waiting is doing my crust in.

Yep.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 21, 2015, 11:13:11 PM

Getting back to incoming transfers...

Tonight's game highlighted 3 things to me;

1) That was our first-choice back 4 and needs improving. I'd still be looking for a right-back (Byram if Holgate has gone to Utd?) and another Centre-Back (Milosevic from the Swedish U21 side) thus moving Richards to right-back. I also wouldn't be thinking about moving Senderos on at this stage.
2) Westwood and Gardner will not take us up the league. I'd be looking to bring in Cambiasso (and perhaps Tom Carroll as a longer-term option) but based on the 2 pre-season games thus far I'd be looking at Riccardo Calder as the next one from the production line to integrate into the first-team. That or loan-out to a Championship club.
3) Steer's still very raw. Needs another loan, with Bunn as Guzan's back-up.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 21, 2015, 11:33:53 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 21, 2015, 10:52:37 PM

Llambias explained: "It is about control. We had the control. We knew the Torres deal was there. We drew that f****** deal, perhaps the ultimate. So £30m? F*** off! Don't waste my time and I slammed the phone down.

"£35m? Everybody including Pardew [manager Alan Pardew] all agreed. But the £35m they wanted to pay over four years. It was rubbish. Mike (Ashley) said - and he is a brave boy Mike I promise you - get all the £35m up front. We got it all up front and then they never paid us on time and we charged them 12 grand f****** interest."

Was that really in the telegraph?  I might start reading it, that's quality swearing.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 21, 2015, 11:38:31 PM

Can definitely see a place in that midfield sooner or later for Calder. He could either be used as a powerful holding MF or an explosive CM to burst forward and service Sinclair and our pending strikers .......Hate to say it but I think Gardner is out the race .....

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 21, 2015, 11:50:20 PM

I'm hoping we get at least one more signing in this week. The paucity of quality and depth within our squad is there for all to see .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 22, 2015, 12:23:14 AM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 21, 2015, 11:38:31 PM

Can definitely see a place in that midfield sooner or later for Calder. He could either be used as a powerful holding MF or an explosive CM to burst forward and service Sinclair and our pending strikers ..

I can't see Sinclair playing beyond September. I really don't think he's that good. It won't take long for him to get found out.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 22, 2015, 02:25:35 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 21, 2015, 11:50:20 PM

I'm hoping we get at least one more signing in this week. The paucity of quality and depth within our squad is there for all to see .

I see Cambiasso has rejected a new deal with Leicester.  Might be a decent shout for a season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tom jennings III on July 22, 2015, 03:52:10 AM

Bamford's just gone to Palace on loan, that's a shame.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 22, 2015, 05:45:35 AM

We still need a commanding centre back, two midfielders and two forwards, ideally IMO.  We were crap last season and have lost two of our better players from a fairly crap squad. Whilst those incoming appear to be solid signings, we need a minimum of three more players.  The overall quality at the moment is negatively affected though because Sanchez and Guzan are missing and Grealish hasn't been involved. However, three players more please Tim.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 22, 2015, 07:21:58 AM

agreed and if the rumours of a further 25m to spend are true it makes Adebayor nailed on and a move for Austin very unlikely. I think Adebayor would be a very bad move but have to accept that he, on something less than lottery money, and a player such as Oulare, is the probable outcome. As to midfield, who knows, but it might be buy one and loan one.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 22, 2015, 07:26:47 AM

Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on July 22, 2015, 12:23:14 AM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 21, 2015, 11:38:31 PM

Can definitely see a place in that midfield sooner or later for Calder. He could either be used as a powerful holding MF or an explosive CM to burst forward and service Sinclair and our pending strikers ..

I can't see Sinclair playing beyond September. I really don't think he's that good. It won't take long for him to get found out.

Why? I thought he was decent when he played last year?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 22, 2015, 07:43:11 AM

Has anybody mentioned young Murphy of Rangers?   Apologies if they have or if, unknown to me he has gone elsewhere but in the numerous BT Sport games of Scottish football I watched last season he was their best player by a mile.   Rangers are truly dire and in all sorts of financial muddle.   Might nick a good player there, loathe as I am to look to Scotland for players.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 22, 2015, 07:48:49 AM

let's hope Sherwood's backroom team come up with something substantial today.They need to work quickly now.Time is of the essence.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 22, 2015, 09:10:54 AM

I'm not in panic-mode yet, but I am genuinely worried. I thought we'd be a lot further forward than we currently are, even with Delph and Benteke going. The only area that we've actually improved the team is at left-back, with noticeable steps in the wrong direction elsewhere.

When Collymore tweeted about exciting times (yeah, I know, I know) I honestly thought we'd be making 3 or 4 quality signings along with another 3 or 4 promising youngsters all on board in time for a full pre-season to be integrated into the squad.  As it is, we're just over 2 weeks away from the start of the season and the squad is as low in proven quality as I can remember.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 22, 2015, 09:25:43 AM

Quote from: Newby on July 22, 2015, 05:45:35 AM

We still need a commanding centre back, two midfielders and two forwards, ideally IMO.  We were crap last season and have lost two of our better players from a fairly crap squad. Whilst those incoming appear to be solid signings, we need a minimum of three more players.  The overall quality at the moment is negatively affected though because Sanchez and Guzan are missing and Grealish hasn't been involved. However, three players more please Tim.

I still think that is a necessity.  I'm really not sure about a Richards and Clark partnership, and although I think Okore has a lot of potential, I still think he needs to be brought on gradually.  We need a real leader back there, as we haven't had one for some time.   

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 22, 2015, 09:49:30 AM

One of the new signings to come will also need to be a captain, a leader. We are badly lacking in that department,

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: David_Nab on July 22, 2015, 09:55:47 AM

Linked with Deigo Rolan from Bordeaux

http://www.sport.fr/football/ligue-1-bordeaux-gros-cheque-d-aston-villa-pour-rolan-379454.shtm

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 22, 2015, 10:00:31 AM

We definately need a commanding  centre half and I feel sure Richards will not be that despite his physical attributes. His position is right back rampaging forward.I have no idea who is available though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 22, 2015, 10:10:04 AM

Quote from: David_Nab on July 22, 2015, 09:55:47 AM

Linked with Deigo Rolan from Bordeaux

http://www.sport.fr/football/ligue-1-bordeaux-gros-cheque-d-aston-villa-pour-rolan-379454.shtm

£14m for a 22 year-old Uruguayan who can play in any of the forward positions (by the look of it).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Small Rodent on July 22, 2015, 10:21:20 AM

That would take me back to Grange Hill days, "why are you crying Rolan?"

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Concrete John on July 22, 2015, 10:24:10 AM

Quote from: OCD on July 22, 2015, 10:10:04 AM

Quote from: David_Nab on July 22, 2015, 09:55:47 AM

Linked with Deigo Rolan from Bordeaux

http://www.sport.fr/football/ligue-1-bordeaux-gros-cheque-d-aston-villa-pour-rolan-379454.shtm

£14m for a 22 year-old Uruguayan who can play in any of the forward positions (by the look of it).

Know nothing about him, but 17 goals in 61 games for Bordeaux is hardly prolific if he's going to be a replacement for Benteke.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frank black on July 22, 2015, 10:31:16 AM

Looking at his 'casting couch' vid, looks more a replacement for Wieman.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frank black on July 22, 2015, 10:38:31 AM

Shay Given reckons Tim will have a 'master plan'.

I hope it's not a 'cunning plan'

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2015, 10:40:12 AM

Quote from: David_Nab on July 22, 2015, 09:55:47 AM

Linked with Deigo Rolan from Bordeaux

http://www.sport.fr/football/ligue-1-bordeaux-gros-cheque-d-aston-villa-pour-rolan-379454.shtm

20m euros?

I find that incredibly hard to believe.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2015, 10:43:38 AM

Quote from: frank black on July 22, 2015, 10:38:31 AM

Shay Given reckons Tim will have a 'master plan'.

I hope it's not a 'cunning plan'

As cunning as a fox who's just been appointed Professor of Cunning at Oxford University?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 22, 2015, 10:49:44 AM

Ideally we need 7 new faces by close of business today

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 22, 2015, 10:53:28 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2015, 10:43:38 AM

Quote from: frank black on July 22, 2015, 10:38:31 AM

Shay Given reckons Tim will have a 'master plan'.

I hope it's not a 'cunning plan'

As cunning as a fox who's just been appointed Professor of Cunning at Oxford University?

Lerner will be in the bunker with a couple of pencils looking up the meaning of  wibble...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on July 22, 2015, 10:57:18 AM

Quote from: TheMalandro on July 22, 2015, 10:49:44 AM

Ideally we need 7 new faces by close of business today

For starters.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2015, 10:58:35 AM

Quote from: curiousorange on July 22, 2015, 10:57:18 AM

Quote from: TheMalandro on July 22, 2015, 10:49:44 AM

Ideally we need 7 new faces by close of business today

For starters.

To be honest, I'd rather we got them all in by early afternoon, that way they can get settled down in time for dinner.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 22, 2015, 10:59:04 AM

Quote from: TheMalandro on July 22, 2015, 10:49:44 AM

Ideally we need 7 new faces by close of business today

So Lenny Henry, Victoria Wood and five more. Shouldn't be too difficult.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 22, 2015, 11:00:29 AM

I will be honest, I am quite panicked. I've had to stuff some Tena Lady down my boxers, as I uncontrollably keep letting out a little bit of fear wee.

7 players >£10 million by 13:00. I needs it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 22, 2015, 11:04:50 AM

Quote from: Ads on July 22, 2015, 11:00:29 AM

I will be honest, I am quite panicked. I've had to stuff some Tena Lady down my boxers, as I uncontrollably keep letting out a little bit of fear wee.

7 players >£10 million by 13:00. I needs it.

it was looking likely until the Benteke admin problem

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 22, 2015, 11:08:54 AM

Quote from: Small Rodent on July 22, 2015, 10:21:20 AM

That would take me back to Grange Hill days, "why are you crying Rolan?"

We'd be lucky to get Janet

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 22, 2015, 11:38:57 AM

Quote from: TheMalandro on July 22, 2015, 11:04:50 AM

Quote from: Ads on July 22, 2015, 11:00:29 AM

I will be honest, I am quite panicked. I've had to stuff some Tena Lady down my boxers, as I uncontrollably keep letting out a little bit of fear wee.

7 players >£10 million by 13:00. I needs it.

it was looking likely until the Benteke admin problem

His move has been scuopered by TBAR?

Good work Eastie!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on July 22, 2015, 11:44:40 AM

Is the admin problem that they can't find a doctor that has ever seen ears like that?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eamonn on July 22, 2015, 12:27:01 PM

The thread being unstickied an admission that the window will fall away now with no more incomings ?  :(

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eamonn on July 22, 2015, 12:27:27 PM

Quote from: frank black on July 22, 2015, 10:38:31 AM

Shay Given reckons Tim will have a 'master plan'.

I hope it's not a 'cunning plan'

Any article linkage to that ?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on July 22, 2015, 12:34:00 PM

Quote from: eamonn on July 22, 2015, 12:27:27 PM

Quote from: frank black on July 22, 2015, 10:38:31 AM

Shay Given reckons Tim will have a 'master plan'.

I hope it's not a 'cunning plan'

Any article linkage to that ?

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villas-defence-shaping-up-9706537

It's crap

wrong one

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-boss-tim-sherwood-9704940

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 22, 2015, 12:57:19 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 22, 2015, 10:53:28 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2015, 10:43:38 AM

Quote from: frank black on July 22, 2015, 10:38:31 AM

Shay Given reckons Tim will have a 'master plan'.

I hope it's not a 'cunning plan'

As cunning as a fox who's just been appointed Professor of Cunning at Oxford University?

Lerner will be in the bunker with a couple of pencils looking up the meaning of  ...

This is a crisis. A large crisis.
In fact, if you've got a moment, it's a 12 storey crisis with a magnificent entrance hall, carpeting throughout, 24 hour porterage and an enormous sign on the roof saying 'this is a large crisis'.
A large crisis requires a large plan. Now get me two pencils and a pair of underpants...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2015, 01:02:07 PM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 22, 2015, 12:57:19 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 22, 2015, 10:53:28 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2015, 10:43:38 AM

Quote from: frank black on July 22, 2015, 10:38:31 AM

Shay Given reckons Tim will have a 'master plan'.

I hope it's not a 'cunning plan'

As cunning as a fox who's just been appointed Professor of Cunning at Oxford University?

Lerner will be in the bunker with a couple of pencils looking up the meaning of  ...

This is a crisis. A large crisis.
In fact, if you've got a moment, it's a 12 storey crisis with a magnificent entrance hall, carpeting throughout, 24 hour porterage and an enormous sign on the roof saying 'this is a large crisis'.
A large crisis requires a large plan. Now get me two pencils and a pair of underpants...

Funny to see Lerner mentioned, he flew in yesterday, apparently.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 22, 2015, 01:03:26 PM

Those paper clips aren't going to order themselves.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 22, 2015, 01:19:04 PM

Some guy on the Sky Sports rumours bit linked us with Roberto Soriano.

I shall get his name on my shirt now, to beat the rush.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave Cooper please on July 22, 2015, 02:13:05 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 22, 2015, 10:59:04 AM

Quote from: TheMalandro on July 22, 2015, 10:49:44 AM

Ideally we need 7 new faces by close of business today

So Lenny Henry, Victoria Wood and five more. Shouldn't be too difficult.

My uncle Colin once appeared on New Faces but as he's now dead he may not be of much use.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: walsall villain on July 22, 2015, 02:17:38 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 22, 2015, 01:19:04 PM

Some guy on the Sky Sports rumours bit linked us with Roberto Soriano.

I shall get his name on my shirt now, to beat the rush.

Confession time, I've never heard of any of these players from Europe we are linked with so I can't get excited about any of them.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: stuart r on July 22, 2015, 03:19:07 PM

Quote from: walsall villain on July 22, 2015, 02:17:38 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 22, 2015, 01:19:04 PM

Some guy on the Sky Sports rumours bit linked us with Roberto Soriano.

I shall get his name on my shirt now, to beat the rush.

Confession time, I've never heard of any of these players from Europe we are linked with so I can't get excited about any of them.

What? so you didn't know that Roberto Soriano (born 8 February 1991) is an Italian footballer who plays for Serie A club Sampdoria and the Italian national team. He is the brother of Elia Soriano.
Contents  [hide]
1 Club career
1.1 Early career
1.2 Sampdoria
1.3 Empoli
2 Internation ?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 22, 2015, 04:12:45 PM

I liked the Wiki bit that said 'he is the brother of Elia Soriano', like that helped in any way at all.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 22, 2015, 04:20:27 PM

Who's Soriano now?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard E on July 22, 2015, 04:29:59 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 22, 2015, 04:12:45 PM

I liked the Wiki bit that said 'he is the brother of Elia Soriano', like that helped in any way at all.

I bet if you go on Elia Soriano's Wiki page it says "he is the brother of Roberto Soriano." 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: walsall villain on July 22, 2015, 04:30:24 PM

Quote from: stuart r on July 22, 2015, 03:19:07 PM

Quote from: walsall villain on July 22, 2015, 02:17:38 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 22, 2015, 01:19:04 PM

Some guy on the Sky Sports rumours bit linked us with Roberto Soriano.

I shall get his name on my shirt now, to beat the rush.

Confession time, I've never heard of any of these players from Europe we are linked with so I can't get excited about any of them.

What? so you didn't know that Roberto Soriano (born 8 February 1991) is an Italian footballer who plays for Serie A club Sampdoria and the Italian national team. He is the brother of Elia Soriano.
Contents  [hide]
1 Club career
1.1 Early career
1.2 Sampdoria
1.3 Empoli
2 Internation ?

Ah Wikipedia, that's what I normally end up doing. Sounds a tough guy if his contents are made of hide.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 22, 2015, 04:48:43 PM

a few posters on VT getting their knickers in a twist about Nixon tweeting today that we are in for Adebayor, Oulare and another, as yet unnamed, target, presumably a midfielder. Personally I hope we don't sign anyone now unless they had a name which guaranteed they had at least auditioned for the complete Star Wars film franchise.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: thick_mike on July 22, 2015, 05:01:46 PM

Jar Jar Spinks (GK)?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 22, 2015, 05:03:51 PM

Quote from: thick_mike on July 22, 2015, 05:01:46 PM

Jar Jar Spinks (GK)?

Admiral Alpay.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 22, 2015, 05:14:40 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 22, 2015, 04:48:43 PM

a few posters on VT getting their knickers in a twist about Nixon tweeting today that we are in for Adebayor, Oulare and another, as yet unnamed, target, presumably a midfielder.

To be honest, if we got those two (Adebayor on loan) and the Italian midfielder that has been mentioned, I'd be pretty pleased. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: thick_mike on July 22, 2015, 05:15:54 PM

Darth Draper

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 22, 2015, 05:16:41 PM

Quote from: thick_mike on July 22, 2015, 05:01:46 PM

Jar Jar Spinks (GK)?

Sasa the Hut

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Edvard Remberg on July 22, 2015, 05:24:37 PM

Quote from: walsall villain on July 22, 2015, 04:30:24 PM

Quote from: stuart r on July 22, 2015, 03:19:07 PM

Quote from: walsall villain on July 22, 2015, 02:17:38 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 22, 2015, 01:19:04 PM

Some guy on the Sky Sports rumours bit linked us with Roberto Soriano.

I shall get his name on my shirt now, to beat the rush.

Confession time, I've never heard of any of these players from Europe we are linked with so I can't get excited about any of them.

What? so you didn't know that Roberto Soriano (born 8 February 1991) is an Italian footballer who plays for Serie A club Sampdoria and the Italian national team. He is the brother of Elia Soriano.
Contents  [hide]
1 Club career
1.1 Early career
1.2 Sampdoria
1.3 Empoli
2 Internation ?

Ah Wikipedia, that's what I normally end up doing. Sounds a tough guy if his contents are made of hide.

Coming through the Bayern Munich academy is a big plus - just like the flag of Switzerland is a big plus! (no really!)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Nelly on July 22, 2015, 05:41:58 PM

Luke Skywalk-Moore

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: FailsworthVillan on July 22, 2015, 05:45:01 PM

Han Solo plays in goal for USA ladies

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: danno on July 22, 2015, 05:48:16 PM

ChewBakke

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rotterdam on July 22, 2015, 05:50:57 PM

Obi-Juan-Kenobi

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: itbrvilla on July 22, 2015, 05:54:04 PM

Darius B Crumb

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 22, 2015, 05:55:45 PM

Quote from: danno on July 22, 2015, 05:48:16 PM

ChewBakke

Cheat

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on July 22, 2015, 05:56:01 PM

Princess  Leia Hendrie

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: DB on July 22, 2015, 05:58:36 PM

Darth SIDious.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: danno on July 22, 2015, 06:01:54 PM

Quote from: TheMalandro on July 22, 2015, 05:55:45 PM

Quote from: danno on July 22, 2015, 05:48:16 PM

ChewBakke

Cheat

(http://new1.fjcdn.com/pictures/Leia_d25491_2799524.jpg)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: DB on July 22, 2015, 06:03:38 PM

Yes. I was gonna gp with Didier Dagoba (system).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 22, 2015, 06:09:33 PM

Hans Solano

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on July 22, 2015, 06:14:22 PM

Jabba the Hutton

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: citizenDJ on July 22, 2015, 06:16:22 PM

MillenIan (Taylor) Falcon.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 22, 2015, 06:25:45 PM

Just to interrupt, media in Uruguay are reporting we have bid 18m euros for  Rolan

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on July 22, 2015, 06:27:15 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 22, 2015, 06:25:45 PM

Just to interrupt, media in Uruguay are reporting we have bid 18m euros for  Rolan

Rat?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 22, 2015, 06:32:58 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 22, 2015, 06:25:45 PM

Just to interrupt, media in Uruguay are reporting we have bid 18m euros for  Rolan

Bloody hell yes, yes, yes , yes. Bring it on! That would be a great signing.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: berneboy on July 22, 2015, 06:42:09 PM

Quote from: AlexAlexCropley on July 22, 2015, 06:27:15 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 22, 2015, 06:25:45 PM

Just to interrupt, media in Uruguay are reporting we have bid 18m euros for  Rolan

Rat?

Chuckle from Berneboy

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 22, 2015, 06:49:46 PM

even if it were it's not in any way Star Wars-esque  to warrant a bid. Obbi Oulare for me thus far

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 22, 2015, 07:27:36 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on July 22, 2015, 06:32:58 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 22, 2015, 06:25:45 PM

Just to interrupt, media in Uruguay are reporting we have bid 18m euros for  Rolan

Bloody hell yes, yes, yes , yes. Bring it on! That would be a great signing.

Song: rolling rolling rolling?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frank black on July 22, 2015, 07:28:36 PM

Adebayor, banished from Spurs squad and training with the kids.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 22, 2015, 07:33:53 PM

Hopefully we're waiting for the benteke cheque to clear and then we'll pounce. We're getting linked w so many players I can't take it seriously until there's sustained speculation.

Rolan - another I don't know at all. Not far off one in two last season and he's only 22 so that sounds good.

Striker has to be the priority but after seeing our midfield last night i want a centre mid (preferably left footed) and a wide player too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 22, 2015, 07:37:44 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 22, 2015, 07:33:53 PM

Striker has to be the priority but after seeing our midfield last night i want a centre mid (preferably left footed) and a wide player too.

Dembele?  Not as athletic as Delph but has the ability to go past people which Delph rarely did (in attacking areas).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 22, 2015, 07:41:27 PM

Quote from: frank black on July 22, 2015, 07:28:36 PM

Adebayor, banished from Spurs squad and training with the kids.

And so is Aarron Lennon apparently.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 22, 2015, 07:41:30 PM

Cambiasso and Dembele are the two most obvious to me. Cambiasso more of a stop gap but his experience could be really helpful for the younger players. Not had that sort of midfield leadership since petrov

Depends how Tim wants to play. It's been two in there in the friendlies so far but we've looked weak from the bits I've seen. Gueye quotes suggests a 433 may be the plan

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: exigo on July 22, 2015, 07:43:14 PM

Rolan's google search already says he plays for us.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 22, 2015, 07:47:02 PM

so didOulare's a few days ago. Now he looks potentially Benteke Beast-like to me. Go for it Tim

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 22, 2015, 07:58:02 PM

Quote from: frank black on July 22, 2015, 07:28:36 PM

Adebayor, banished from Spurs squad and training with the kids.

only villa would take on somebody elses bomb squad. I bet Randy has nightmares about football

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 22, 2015, 07:59:23 PM

Dembele is a quality player.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 22, 2015, 07:59:47 PM

Quote from: TheMalandro on July 22, 2015, 07:58:02 PM

Quote from: frank black on July 22, 2015, 07:28:36 PM

Adebayor, banished from Spurs squad and training with the kids.

only villa would take on somebody elses bomb squad. I bet Randy has nightmares about football

How low have we sunk and other "only at Villa" cliches.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 22, 2015, 08:03:23 PM

I thought the Bomb Squad was our intellectual property.   How very dare they.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on July 22, 2015, 08:15:06 PM

We should have patented it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 22, 2015, 08:36:32 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 22, 2015, 07:59:47 PM

Quote from: TheMalandro on July 22, 2015, 07:58:02 PM

Quote from: frank black on July 22, 2015, 07:28:36 PM

Adebayor, banished from Spurs squad and training with the kids.

only villa would take on somebody elses bomb squad. I bet Randy has nightmares about football

How low have we sunk and other "only at Villa" cliches.
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Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 22, 2015, 07:59:47 PM

Quote from: TheMalandro on July 22, 2015, 07:58:02 PM

Quote from: frank black on July 22, 2015, 07:28:36 PM

Adebayor, banished from Spurs squad and training with the kids.

only villa would take on somebody elses bomb squad. I bet Randy has nightmares about football

How low have we sunk and other "only at Villa" cliches.

Saved it for you, you've said it before

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on July 22, 2015, 08:38:02 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on July 22, 2015, 08:15:06 PM

We should have patented it.

We would have, but our senior patent man was being made to patent with the kids. Typical Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard E on July 22, 2015, 08:45:26 PM

Quote from: IAmTheOneIanOlney on July 22, 2015, 08:38:02 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on July 22, 2015, 08:15:06 PM

We should have patented it.

We would have, but our senior patent man was being made to patent with the kids. Typical Villa.

The patent rights were subject to a ridiculously low release clause, thus thwarting our hopes of sparking a bidding war.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 22, 2015, 08:51:35 PM

Quote from: TheMalandro on July 22, 2015, 07:58:02 PM

Quote from: frank black on July 22, 2015, 07:28:36 PM

Adebayor, banished from Spurs squad and training with the kids.

only villa would take on somebody elses bomb squad. I bet Randy has nightmares about football

See, he does have something in common with the rest of us after all :P

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 22, 2015, 08:57:12 PM

The cockernees in order to claim the Bomb Squad began with them will no doubt try to invent a rhyming slang name for it.  "Ee's bin chacked in the Sweeny innit?"

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on July 22, 2015, 09:33:44 PM

Lets hope for some players coming in now! Get your finger out ( and chequebook) Lerner!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 22, 2015, 09:36:30 PM

Quote from: Villafirst on July 22, 2015, 09:33:44 PM

Lets hope for some players coming in now! Get your finger out ( and chequebook) Lerner!

You want him to go but you also want him to spend. I wish you'd make your mind up.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 22, 2015, 09:45:10 PM

Get spending Villa and spending well.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on July 22, 2015, 09:48:25 PM

 He can't seem to sell the club so I'm resigned to him being the owner for some tim.  I just hope Sherwood gets most of the Delph/ Benteke money....

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 22, 2015, 09:49:18 PM

The club now needs a massive lift.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard E on July 22, 2015, 09:51:03 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 22, 2015, 09:49:18 PM

The club now needs a massive lift.

Does it have to be a lift or will a staircase or escalator do?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 22, 2015, 09:55:42 PM

Quote from: Richard E on July 22, 2015, 09:51:03 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 22, 2015, 09:49:18 PM

The club now needs a massive lift.

Does it have to be a lift or will a staircase or escalator do?

Stannah?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 22, 2015, 09:58:46 PM

Hopefully we've identified all our targets already.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 22, 2015, 10:03:40 PM

Quote from: TheMalandro on July 22, 2015, 07:27:36 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on July 22, 2015, 06:32:58 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 22, 2015, 06:25:45 PM

Just to interrupt, media in Uruguay are reporting we have bid 18m euros for  Rolan

Bloody hell yes, yes, yes , yes. Bring it on! That would be a great signing.

Song: rolling rolling rolling?

Works for me. Fab player. I get Lique 1 games over here on TV, he is excellent, really excellent (well good enough for me to remember him anyway). A very fluid player much more likely to help build and assist in an attack than finish it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 22, 2015, 10:07:36 PM

If we do sign Rolan Rat, it adds credibility to my theory that Paddy Reilly is travelling around France with a car boot full of cash.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 22, 2015, 10:08:03 PM

Who is Rolan?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: CT on July 22, 2015, 10:13:17 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 22, 2015, 10:08:03 PM

Who is Rolan?

It's his metabolism.

RIP Grange Hill.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on July 22, 2015, 10:13:21 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 22, 2015, 07:41:30 PM

Cambiasso and Dembele are the two most obvious to me. Cambiasso more of a stop gap but his experience could be really helpful for the younger players. Not had that sort of midfield leadership since petrov

Depends how Tim wants to play. It's been two in there in the friendlies so far but we've looked weak from the bits I've seen. Gueye quotes suggests a 433 may be the plan

Cambiasso would be a great move. An experienced pro who, unlike Joe Cole, proved last season that he can still perform at this level. A combination of Sherwood, Wilkins and Cambiasso should bring out the best in players like Westwood, Sanchez & Gueye while also helping to develop the likes of Calder

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: manic-road on July 22, 2015, 10:22:11 PM

Right now to buy a striker or two now the big man has gone, and do it bloody quick please Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 22, 2015, 10:28:47 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 22, 2015, 10:08:03 PM

Who is Rolan?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Rolán

Oblig youtube thingy with techno

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: exigo on July 22, 2015, 10:29:18 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 22, 2015, 09:49:18 PM

The club now needs a massive lift.

Why, is Vlaar coming back?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on July 22, 2015, 10:36:21 PM

Diego Rolan is the name of the day apparently.. by the sound of it we're overpaying for him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on July 22, 2015, 10:40:28 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 22, 2015, 09:49:18 PM

The club now needs a massive lift.

Tonev scored tonight ffs, what more do you want

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Louzie0 on July 22, 2015, 10:46:23 PM

Quote from: john e on July 22, 2015, 10:40:28 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 22, 2015, 09:49:18 PM

The club now needs a massive lift.

Tonev scored tonight ffs, what more do you want

2 wins in a row, consecutive games, consecutive nights.  Doing rather well, considering it's preseason and not full strength.

Draw before that.
Just need to sign a couple more geniuses. Come on, Tim!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 22, 2015, 10:47:08 PM

Adeybayor on loan. And Austin for me would change the whole threat of the team. Plus a dominant CH and an attacking MF ........

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 22, 2015, 10:48:37 PM

Quote from: john e on July 22, 2015, 10:40:28 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 22, 2015, 09:49:18 PM

The club now needs a massive lift.

Tonev scored tonight ffs, what more do you want

An enormous weight has been lifted off my shoulders.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: FailsworthVillan on July 22, 2015, 10:49:24 PM

Quote from: john e on July 22, 2015, 10:40:28 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 22, 2015, 09:49:18 PM

The club now needs a massive lift.

Tonev scored tonight ffs, what more do you want

And Sellers has got 3 in 24 hours.When was the last time we had a hat-trick in pre-season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 22, 2015, 10:49:30 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 22, 2015, 10:48:37 PM

Quote from: john e on July 22, 2015, 10:40:28 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 22, 2015, 09:49:18 PM

The club now needs a massive lift.

Tonev scored tonight ffs, what more do you want

An enormous weight has been lifted off my shoulders.

Has someone cut your head off?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 22, 2015, 10:51:41 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on July 22, 2015, 10:28:47 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 22, 2015, 10:08:03 PM

Who is Rolan?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Rolán

Thanks



Oblig youtube thingy with techno

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2015, 11:22:55 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 22, 2015, 10:49:30 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 22, 2015, 10:48:37 PM

Quote from: john e on July 22, 2015, 10:40:28 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 22, 2015, 09:49:18 PM

The club now needs a massive lift.

Tonev scored tonight ffs, what more do you want

An enormous weight has been lifted off my shoulders.

Has someone cut your head off?

A passing Tonev shot just decapitated him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2015, 11:26:04 PM

So, so far:

Delph - 8
Benteke - 32.5
Weimann - 2.5
Lowton - 1
Sylla - 1

That's 45m in, and thus far out:

Amavi - 9
Gueye - 6
Sinclair - 2.5

17.5m total spent

So, the best part of 30m in the bank so far on the balance of what we've done. Plus, off the wage bill Vlaar, Delph and Benteke who will doubtless have been amongst our very highest earners. Plus Given as well, come to think of it.

There's plenty of money to play around with there. What will be interesting is what we do with it. I just hope we don't decide on banking any great proportion of it, as we've got a hefty amount of work to do this window.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 22, 2015, 11:28:04 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 22, 2015, 09:58:46 PM

Hopefully we've identified all our targets already.

I would hope that is the case.  I don't think it will have come as a massive surprise to anyone that Benteke has gone. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 22, 2015, 11:28:39 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2015, 11:26:04 PM

So, so far:

Delph - 8
Benteke - 32.5
Weimann - 2.5
Lowton - 1
Sylla - 1

That's 45m in, and thus far out:

Amavi - 9
Gueye - 6
Sinclair - 2.5

17.5m total spent

So, the best part of 30m in the bank so far on the balance of what we've done. Plus, off the wage bill Vlaar, Delph and Benteke who will doubtless have been amongst our very highest earners. Plus Given as well, come to think of it.

There's plenty of money to play around with there. What will be interesting is what we do with it. I just hope we don't decide on banking any great proportion of it, as we've got a hefty amount of work to do this window.

Yep we need 4 quality players now. Priorities are a centre forward and centre mid.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 22, 2015, 11:28:42 PM

The next few weeks won't be boring Paulie. Benteke and Delph leaving have been huge distractions as much as it has been very disappointing. But no point moping. We have to quickly invest the money into quality additions and be a very different Aston Villa than in recent seasons.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2015, 11:31:09 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 22, 2015, 11:28:42 PM

The next few weeks won't be boring Paulie. Benteke and Delph leaving have been huge distractions as much as it has been very disappointing. But no point moping. We have to quickly invest the money into quality additions and be a very different Aston Villa than in recent seasons.

We certainly do, the squad now looks very weak. Let's hope we've learned lessons from events in previous seasons.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 22, 2015, 11:31:30 PM

I suspect that of the really big earners, there's only Gabby left.

We ought to have plenty of scope for bringing in decent talent on appropriate wages.

Just hope the scouting can continue to pick out players of the standard Amavi seems to be.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on July 22, 2015, 11:33:11 PM

We'll have to pay Genk their sell on fee of around £4m so knock that off.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2015, 11:33:30 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 22, 2015, 11:31:30 PM

I suspect that of the really big earners, there's only Gabby left.

I wish we could move Gabby on. Last night's friendly was a great demonstration of how utterly mediocre he is.

He also looked a bit overweight to me. Like we had Alexander O'Neal up front.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 22, 2015, 11:35:02 PM

Frankly I'm disappointed. Nearly an hour and no links to any French players? Lerner out

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 22, 2015, 11:35:10 PM

I'd actually be really happy to see a promising young forward come in alongside Adebayor on loan. A loan of Adebayor would take away the risk of his rubbish second season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 22, 2015, 11:37:24 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2015, 11:33:30 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 22, 2015, 11:31:30 PM

I suspect that of the really big earners, there's only Gabby left.

I wish we could move Gabby on. Last night's friendly was a great demonstration of how utterly mediocre he is.

He also looked a bit overweight to me. Like we had Alexander O'Neal up front.

I'm really, really sorry but....

All you want to do is criticise.

* and I know I've used that fairly recently on another thread, before anyone pipes up.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 22, 2015, 11:38:32 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 22, 2015, 11:35:10 PM

I'd actually be really happy to see a promising young forward come in alongside Adebayor on loan. A loan of Adebayor would take away the risk of his rubbish second season.

Agree.  A loan deal would probably be the way to get the best out of him because at least he would be playing for a contract with do or someone else.  I would have no qualms with taking him on loan, but only if a younger striker is signed as well. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 22, 2015, 11:38:40 PM

I'm told Gabby's the next one out. Although I presume it's Hearsay.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 22, 2015, 11:43:26 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2015, 11:26:04 PM

So, so far:

Delph - 8
Benteke - 32.5
Weimann - 2.5
Lowton - 1
Sylla - 1

That's 45m in, and thus far out:

Amavi - 9
Gueye - 6
Sinclair - 2.5

17.5m total spent

So, the best part of 30m in the bank so far on the balance of what we've done. Plus, off the wage bill Vlaar, Delph and Benteke who will doubtless have been amongst our very highest earners. Plus Given as well, come to think of it.

There's plenty of money to play around with there. What will be interesting is what we do with it. I just hope we don't decide on banking any great proportion of it, as we've got a hefty amount of work to do this window.

Bent has gone as well, so that's probably five of our top earners gone, (N'Zogbia and Agbonlahor must be up there as well).  Despite losing three internationals, I think we have a got a chance to move the club in the right direction if the money is spent wisely. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 22, 2015, 11:43:31 PM

Quote from: Des Little on July 22, 2015, 11:38:40 PM

I'm told Gabby's the next one out. Although I presume it's Hearsay.

Gabby couldn't play for anyone else, he Never Knew Love Like This.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on July 22, 2015, 11:43:53 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2015, 11:31:09 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 22, 2015, 11:28:42 PM

The next few weeks won't be boring Paulie. Benteke and Delph leaving have been huge distractions as much as it has been very disappointing. But no point moping. We have to quickly invest the money into quality additions and be a very different Aston Villa than in recent seasons.

We certainly do, the squad now looks very weak. Let's hope we've learned lessons from events in previous seasons.

The lesson to be learnt is that you do not rely on a couple of very good players that carry the rest.  Otherwise, when they leave you have massive holes to fill.  We need to build a squad with players that are interchangeable without weakening the 1st team very much.  Doing that, you can afford to sell players without it being a major issue.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 22, 2015, 11:49:24 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2015, 11:26:04 PM

So, so far:

Delph - 8
Benteke - 32.5
Weimann - 2.5
Lowton - 1
Sylla - 1

That's 45m in, and thus far out:

Amavi - 9
Gueye - 6
Sinclair - 2.5

17.5m total spent

So, the best part of 30m in the bank so far on the balance of what we've done. Plus, off the wage bill Vlaar, Delph and Benteke who will doubtless have been amongst our very highest earners. Plus Given as well, come to think of it.

There's plenty of money to play around with there. What will be interesting is what we do with it. I just hope we don't decide on banking any great proportion of it, as we've got a hefty amount of work to do this window.

Missing Bent from the high earners.

There's definitely money for fees and wages to be used.

I'd be ok with 3-4 signings and a loan or 2 so for me the task isn't as massive as some consider it.  Rolan (another very highly rated youngster), Oulare/Embolo and a centre mid (there's a few been linked) signed permanently would be ok for me and I could live with Adebayor on loan.  If we could then sign or loan another right sided defender that's all I'd want to do this window.  The money is there and the links we've seen suggest our main thinking is in the area I'd like so we could come out of this pretty well, all things considered, I'm still gutted that we've had to lose Benteke to get here though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on July 22, 2015, 11:49:39 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 22, 2015, 11:43:31 PM

Quote from: Des Little on July 22, 2015, 11:38:40 PM

I'm told Gabby's the next one out. Although I presume it's Hearsay.

Gabby couldn't play for anyone else, he Never Knew Love Like This.

Pure and simple, if he does not step up this season, we should be looking to get rid.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Louzie0 on July 23, 2015, 02:03:56 AM

Quote from: Des Little on July 22, 2015, 11:38:40 PM

I'm told Gabby's the next one out. Although I presume it's Hearsay.

Nahhh.
Try, Highway Star, by Deep Purple. That's Gabby.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve R on July 23, 2015, 05:38:26 AM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on July 22, 2015, 11:33:11 PM

We'll have to pay Genk their sell on fee of around £4m so knock that off.

They can have Liverpool's final instalment in 5 years time.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 23, 2015, 06:22:10 AM

That Rolan would appear to be tailor made for the Premier League with his style. Would be a replacement for Gabby it would seem and he looks a cut above Townsend too.

If we got him in, Adebayor on loan and a young 'un, I think we will have done well to add quality up front. You're never going to replace Benteke like for like, but if we add two or three players who can contribute, that will be in my view a positive increase, as we've been a one man outfit for too long.

Sinclair, Adebayor/Kozak/Young 'un, with Rolan on the other side works well with me. Can add variety by playing both Gil and Grealish. Plenty of pace and guile in there.

As for the midfield, Cambiasso makes a lot of sense. I'd like to see another one brought in also on top of that, but the extra knowhow he could give the likes of Westwood et al may really bring their own games on.

A busy couple of weeks. It's very important Reily and Sherwood get it right. Reily's Tour De France indicates these targets have been well scouted mind.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 23, 2015, 06:43:11 AM

I know were used to flirting with disaster, but I can't believe we don't have a couple of deals at least, ready to go;  as you say, a very interesting couple of weeks ahead.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 23, 2015, 07:03:41 AM

I agree wholeheartedly that we have been a one man outfit for too long.   Perverse though it may sound I think we will be less bad without Christian. With the right signings obviously.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 23, 2015, 07:52:48 AM

Very pleased  with Amavi would  hope Sherwood is considering a class act
like Cambiasso for a further improvement to the team.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 23, 2015, 07:55:42 AM

Cambiasso would make sense for so many reasons

Worried about the lack of  experience and leadership in the current squad.  Who are the big characters? We've lost our captain, our previous captain and our talisman.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 23, 2015, 08:03:09 AM

Ashley Young only has a a year left on his contract so would probably be available relatively cheap. He'd improve us massively.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 23, 2015, 08:12:38 AM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 23, 2015, 08:03:09 AM

Ashley Young only has a a year left on his contract so would probably be available relatively cheap. He'd improve us massively.

I'd be very happy with that.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: bertlambshank on July 23, 2015, 08:14:01 AM

Not with his wages.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: richard moore on July 23, 2015, 08:20:11 AM

Quote from: brian green on July 23, 2015, 07:03:41 AM

I agree wholeheartedly that we have been a one man outfit for too long.   Perverse though it may sound I think we will be less bad without Christian. With the right signings obviously.

I agree Brian. You used to dread games when CB wasn't playing and the thought of him being out for a stretch of time, particularly when fighting relegation, was almost unbearable. I didn't want to see him go but it does feel like the end of an era, and an awful one at that, not that it was CB's fault in any way

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on July 23, 2015, 08:22:23 AM

Only way Young would happen is if he had enough of an affinity for us to take a cut down to 70k or so a week and the opportunity to be a top dog again. As it is, while he generally gave his all for us (except for a few occasions in his final season), I really doubt that is the case, and if he leaves United, it'll be to the highest bidder among the mid-table sides, who I'd prefer and expect not to be us. Would solve our right-sided problem very handily though, even though he's better on the left.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy65 on July 23, 2015, 08:25:42 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2015, 11:33:30 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 22, 2015, 11:31:30 PM

I suspect that of the really big earners, there's only Gabby left.

I wish we could move Gabby on. Last night's friendly was a great demonstration of how utterly mediocre he is.

He also looked a bit overweight to me. Like we had Alexander O'Neal up front.

'All you want to do is criticise'

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy65 on July 23, 2015, 08:26:36 AM

Quote from: passitsideways on July 23, 2015, 08:22:23 AM

Only way Young would happen is if he had enough of an affinity for us to take a cut down to 70k or so a week and the opportunity to be a top dog again. As it is, while he generally gave his all for us (except for a few occasions in his final season), I really doubt that is the case, and if he leaves United, it'll be to the highest bidder among the mid-table sides, who I'd prefer and expect not to be us. Would solve our right-sided problem very handily though, even though he's better on the left.

I dont think he has any affinity for us at all

Love him back though

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy65 on July 23, 2015, 08:29:16 AM

Quote from: john e on July 22, 2015, 10:40:28 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 22, 2015, 09:49:18 PM

The club now needs a massive lift.

Tonev scored tonight ffs, what more do you want

Bloody hell. In the net you mean, not out the ground!

Anyone know how he has been playing?

TS is obviously giving him a chance.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Walmley_Villa on July 23, 2015, 08:38:09 AM

Well with Benteke now gone and thanks five the memories..... It is quite a predicMent for Randy and co. No apparent takeover in the offing so what will he do? Piss the fans off by not reinvesting the money or disappearing back to the states with bags of cash. Interesting.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 23, 2015, 08:55:17 AM

Tonev scored for us? I hadn't realised that.

Was he taking the goal kicks?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on July 23, 2015, 08:55:44 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 23, 2015, 08:12:38 AM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 23, 2015, 08:03:09 AM

Ashley Young only has a a year left on his contract so would probably be available relatively cheap. He'd improve us massively.

I'd be very happy with that.

Oh how I miss him getting up of the pitch and rubbing his knees Vic & Bob style

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 23, 2015, 09:01:36 AM

Well, we've currently got 27 senior pros on the books (if my maths is correct) so we do still need to move players out to accommodate in-comings. That or face the prospect of simply keeping them on the pay-roll but not naming them in the squad.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve R on July 23, 2015, 09:07:13 AM

The only upside to bringing Ashley Young back would be the sight of Wilkins in a state of purple apoplexy screaming 'stay on your feet' at him from the touchline.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Quiet Lion on July 23, 2015, 09:32:57 AM

Quote from: Rudy65 on July 23, 2015, 08:25:42 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2015, 11:33:30 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 22, 2015, 11:31:30 PM

I suspect that of the really big earners, there's only Gabby left.

I wish we could move Gabby on. Last night's friendly was a great demonstration of how utterly mediocre he is.

He also looked a bit overweight to me. Like we had Alexander O'Neal up front.

'All you want to do is criticise'

Was scrolling through in desperate hope no one had made that joke yet.

Damn You

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 23, 2015, 09:46:45 AM

Quote from: Quiet Lion on July 23, 2015, 09:32:57 AM

Quote from: Rudy65 on July 23, 2015, 08:25:42 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2015, 11:33:30 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 22, 2015, 11:31:30 PM

I suspect that of the really big earners, there's only Gabby left.

I wish we could move Gabby on. Last night's friendly was a great demonstration of how utterly mediocre he is.

He also looked a bit overweight to me. Like we had Alexander O'Neal up front.

'All you want to do is criticise'

Was scrolling through in desperate hope no one had made that joke yet.

Damn You

And LeeB, who made it a couple of pages before.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 23, 2015, 09:47:24 AM

Having had a look at the BBC Gossip column just now, there are no links for us t all, I thought the press would be full of made up bull about who was replacing CB this morning.  A couple of interesting snippets in there though - Raphael Van Der Vaart has moved to Real Betis - he would have been a good addition, and the dream one - Zlatan appears open to a move.  Imagine that for a couple of years!!!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 23, 2015, 09:59:35 AM

and just imagine his 400k a week salary!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 23, 2015, 10:00:32 AM

Yeah I know.........

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 23, 2015, 10:02:15 AM

actually there are a few links, not just to Mr Rat but we're still keeping tabs on Ayew.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 23, 2015, 10:13:07 AM

There's no chance of us getting Ashley Young as he was a key player for Yanited last year. May have even been player of the year.

Interesting that there have been a couple of comments about Gabby moving on. Always seemed like he would finish his career here. There's better value for the same wages out there though. The average age of the squad is coming down quickly.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 23, 2015, 10:55:21 AM

I don't think there is any chance of Young coming back, not that I'd want him anyway

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on July 23, 2015, 10:58:55 AM

Why not bid for Berahino at say £15M? Also, Demari Gray from Blose for the future?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 23, 2015, 11:12:07 AM

Quote from: Villafirst on July 23, 2015, 10:58:55 AM

Why not bid for Berahino at say £15M? Also, Demari Gray from Blose for the future?

Probably because it would mean massively over-paying.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: placeforparks on July 23, 2015, 11:25:09 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 22, 2015, 09:49:18 PM

The club now needs a massive lift.

and adebayor isn't going to do it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on July 23, 2015, 11:27:53 AM

I'll give them a week to ''spend sum faking maney'' (tm Arsenal fans) then I'm gonna start screaming blue murder and panicking.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 23, 2015, 11:28:53 AM

I see we've been linked with Yannick Bolasie.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 23, 2015, 11:28:58 AM

Quote from: placeforparks on July 23, 2015, 11:25:09 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 22, 2015, 09:49:18 PM

The club now needs a massive lift.

and adebayor isn't going to do it.

If we're getting a massive lift at least he'd fit in it without having to stoop.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 23, 2015, 11:36:15 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 23, 2015, 09:46:45 AM

Quote from: Quiet Lion on July 23, 2015, 09:32:57 AM

Quote from: Rudy65 on July 23, 2015, 08:25:42 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2015, 11:33:30 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 22, 2015, 11:31:30 PM

I suspect that of the really big earners, there's only Gabby left.

I wish we could move Gabby on. Last night's friendly was a great demonstration of how utterly mediocre he is.

He also looked a bit overweight to me. Like we had Alexander O'Neal up front.

'All you want to do is criticise'

Was scrolling through in desperate hope no one had made that joke yet.

Damn You

And LeeB, who made it a couple of pages before.

Love that song, will be singing it for hours now.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passport1 on July 23, 2015, 11:41:16 AM

We seem to be going down the Newcastle route of signing French based players. Then again I suppose we  are the Midlands version of Newcastle.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: not3bad on July 23, 2015, 11:43:33 AM

Quote from: placeforparks on July 23, 2015, 11:25:09 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 22, 2015, 09:49:18 PM

The club now needs a massive lift.

and adebayor isn't going to do it.

No he wouldn't but Adebayor on loan for a year wouldn't be a bad move I'm thinking.  We wouldn't have to pay his full wages and we know he produced results when working with Sherwood.  Of course if there's another guaranteed Benteke waiting in the winds then it doesn't matter.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 23, 2015, 12:28:42 PM

Adebayor and someone young and hungry with potential, another Benteke (yes, I know) in other words, would be fine for me. I think a year loan would be more than enough for EA.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: gervilla on July 23, 2015, 12:37:02 PM

€20 million fee agreed for Rolan according to facebook.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 23, 2015, 12:38:24 PM

Around £16m gets you Djeko. May be a bit too similar to Kozak though ?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ryu on July 23, 2015, 12:44:14 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 23, 2015, 11:28:53 AM

I see we've been linked with Yannick Bolasie.

Where is this link from?  I think he's a good, if erratic winger.  Can really destroy a full back.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 23, 2015, 12:50:03 PM

Quote from: gervilla on July 23, 2015, 12:37:02 PM

€20 million fee agreed for Rolan according to facebook.

Any links at all?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 23, 2015, 12:54:28 PM

Adebayor up top on loan then

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: not3bad on July 23, 2015, 12:58:51 PM

Quote from: RussellC on July 23, 2015, 12:50:03 PM

Quote from: gervilla on July 23, 2015, 12:37:02 PM

€20 million fee agreed for Rolan according to facebook.

Any links at all?

Will he need any help?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ryu on July 23, 2015, 12:59:38 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 23, 2015, 12:54:28 PM

Adebayor up top on loan then

Have you heard something?

Him on loan and one of the young prospects we've been linked with, plus one of the wingers and I wouldnt be too unhappy with out attacking options. No idea what to do about central midfielde though.

Lots of work to Do Tim!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on July 23, 2015, 01:04:43 PM

Quote from: Ryu on July 23, 2015, 12:59:38 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 23, 2015, 12:54:28 PM

Adebayor up top on loan then

Have you heard something?

Him on loan and one of the young prospects we've been linked with, plus one of the wingers and I wouldnt be too unhappy with out attacking options. No idea what to do about central midfielde though.

Lots of work to Do Tim!

I reckon we'll be desperately praying that one of Sanchez/Gardner/Westwood/maybe even Calder steps up as a competent partner for Gueye in a midfield two. Even if Sherwood settles on a 4-3-3 we might have to witness the possibility of Richardson and Bacuna spending time as that third midfielder who's crap in possession but offers some headless-chicken energy. Not great, but the optimist in me says we'll scrape by on that providing two or three good attacking players come in.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: gervilla on July 23, 2015, 01:06:43 PM

Quote from: RussellC on July 23, 2015, 12:50:03 PM

Quote from: gervilla on July 23, 2015, 12:37:02 PM

€20 million fee agreed for Rolan according to facebook.

Nope.

Any links at all?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard E on July 23, 2015, 01:06:50 PM

Quote from: passport1 on July 23, 2015, 11:41:16 AM

We seem to be going down the Newcastle route of signing French based players. Then again I suppose we  are the Midlands version of Newcastle.

This is right - Villa supporters spend all their time talking, worrying and tweeting about Villa. Newcastle supporters spend all their time talking, worrying and tweeting about Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ryu on July 23, 2015, 01:10:02 PM

Quote from: passitsideways on July 23, 2015, 01:04:43 PM

Quote from: Ryu on July 23, 2015, 12:59:38 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 23, 2015, 12:54:28 PM

Adebayor up top on loan then

Have you heard something?

Him on loan and one of the young prospects we've been linked with, plus one of the wingers and I wouldnt be too unhappy with out attacking options. No idea what to do about central midfielde though.

Lots of work to Do Tim!

I reckon we'll be desperately praying that one of Sanchez/Gardner/Westwood/maybe even Calder steps up as a competent partner for Gueye in a midfield two. Even if Sherwood settles on a 4-3-3 we might have to witness the possibility of Richardson and Bacuna spending time as that third midfielder who's crap in possession but offers some headless-chicken energy. Not great, but the optimist in me says we'll scrape by on that providing two or three good attacking players come in.

That still leaves us without good senior cover for all the positions. I can't see us not signing a first team midfielder after losing our 2 starters. We wouldn't, would we?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 23, 2015, 01:12:49 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on July 22, 2015, 10:28:47 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 22, 2015, 10:08:03 PM

Who is Rolan?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Rolán

Oblig youtube thingy with techno

Always worry when I see several clips of the same goal plus the standard of defending was atrocious

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Joshua Fineman on July 23, 2015, 01:16:45 PM

http://www.football365.com/f365-says/9921036/F365-Says (http://www.football365.com/f365-says/9921036/F365-Says)

This is all rather hard to argue with....

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 23, 2015, 01:19:41 PM

Quote from: Joshua Fineman on July 23, 2015, 01:16:45 PM

http://www.football365.com/f365-says/9921036/F365-Says (http://www.football365.com/f365-says/9921036/F365-Says)

This is all rather hard to argue with....

If the summer was over and the season had started I might agree. But it isn't so surely we should be judging this once the window closes. And any time our season isn't starting with neither TSM1 and TSM2 at the club it's a massive forward step.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LTA on July 23, 2015, 01:21:46 PM

Quote from: Joshua Fineman on July 23, 2015, 01:16:45 PM

http://www.football365.com/f365-says/9921036/F365-Says (http://www.football365.com/f365-says/9921036/F365-Says)

This is all rather hard to argue with....

Can't really argue with any of that.  Just over 2 weeks before the season starts and we are totally unprepared. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: andyh on July 23, 2015, 01:22:16 PM

I quite like Bolasie.

I'm not sure I like him enough to be in our team though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on July 23, 2015, 01:23:46 PM

We could have done with getting the players in sooner though, 2 weeks before the season starts is not in any way ideal. I don't want to see us panic buying after the season kicks off with us bent over a barrel.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 23, 2015, 01:25:45 PM

Quote from: LTA on July 23, 2015, 01:21:46 PM

Quote from: Joshua Fineman on July 23, 2015, 01:16:45 PM

http://www.football365.com/f365-says/9921036/F365-Says (http://www.football365.com/f365-says/9921036/F365-Says)

This is all rather hard to argue with....

Can't really argue with any of that.  Just over 2 weeks before the season starts and we are totally unprepared. 

How are we totally unprepared? What a load a nonsense. Have we not started training? Have we not played any friendlies? Do we not have our coaches in place? Does Villa Park not have any grass? We lost two key players and sold some that nobody cares about. We will sell a few and still have to buy some like just about every other club out there. What is so unprepared about that?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 23, 2015, 01:26:05 PM

My gut instinct at the moment is that we're heading for a bit of a car crash at the start of the season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 23, 2015, 01:28:17 PM

I'm taking my boots with me to Bournemouth.  I'm shit but I'll give it a go.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on July 23, 2015, 01:30:57 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 23, 2015, 01:25:45 PM

Quote from: LTA on July 23, 2015, 01:21:46 PM

Quote from: Joshua Fineman on July 23, 2015, 01:16:45 PM

http://www.football365.com/f365-says/9921036/F365-Says (http://www.football365.com/f365-says/9921036/F365-Says)

This is all rather hard to argue with....

Can't really argue with any of that.  Just over 2 weeks before the season starts and we are totally unprepared. 

How are we totally unprepared? What a load a nonsense. Have we not started training? Have we not played any friendlies? Do we not have our coaches in place? Does Villa Park not have any grass? We lost two key players and sold some that nobody cares about. We will sell a few and still have to buy some like just about every other club out there. What is so unprepared about that?

We have Gabby and a man who's been out for god knows how long as our strikers. We have a midfield that looks Championship quality. We have no leaders in the team. We are short on decent numbers and we still have Charles Nzogbia. We may sell and we may buy, but we've left it until the week before the season starts, you can't kid yourself it's anywhere near ideal. We also have a very inexperienced manager.

I felt it before last season and I feel it before this one too, we are not going to have a good season again. It's going to be a relegation battle from week 1 to 38.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 23, 2015, 01:31:32 PM

Quote from: passport1 on July 23, 2015, 11:41:16 AM

We seem to be going down the Newcastle route of signing French based players. Then again I suppose we  are the Midlands version of Newcastle.

To be honest, it seems like a good market.  I think the mistake Newcastle made was not balancing it with a number of domestic players.  When times have got tough up there a number of their players have gine missing.  Despite the departures, we still have a fairly decent number of domestic players to balance it out.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 23, 2015, 01:32:54 PM

The headline statistic is this: Aston Villa's current squad scored a total of 12 Premier League goals last season. Gabby Agbonlahor accounts for half of those. The Premier League reconvenes in 16 days - Villa are emphatically ill-prepared.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on July 23, 2015, 01:33:42 PM

Quote from: Joshua Fineman on July 23, 2015, 01:16:45 PM

http://www.football365.com/f365-says/9921036/F365-Says (http://www.football365.com/f365-says/9921036/F365-Says)

This is all rather hard to argue with....

Well, it's also pretty lazy journalism - the idea that Cleverley and Weimann were significant goal contributors is stretching it a little; even if it is true that we scored appallingly few times for most of last season.
But, we all have an opinion: let's see by the end of September where we are.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 23, 2015, 01:51:51 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 23, 2015, 01:26:05 PM

My gut instinct at the moment is that we're heading for a bit of a car crash at the start of the season.

As it stands and without injuries, we are looking at a starting XI of:

                            Guzan

Hutton        Richards     Clark    Amavi

                 Sanchez        Gueye

Bacuna                Grealish           Sinclair

                          Agbonlahor

Subs: Bunn, Okore, Baker, Westwood, Richardson, N'Zogbia, Gil, Kozak

Not the worst side I have seen us field in recent times, but we desperately need to strengthen.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 23, 2015, 01:53:43 PM

That side has relegation battle written all over it. Where are the goals going to come from?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Lobsterboy on July 23, 2015, 01:55:45 PM

Quote from: Des Little on July 23, 2015, 01:28:17 PM

I'm taking my boots with me to Bournemouth.  I'm shit but I'll give it a go.

It never stopped Sylla...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 23, 2015, 01:56:26 PM

Some people need to take their daily 'Man-the-fuck-up' juice.

I agree with TV. What has happened in the last week (hard to believe it's only been a week since Delph turned tail) hasn't gone un-noticed by anyone. The club will know how close we were to relegation last season and that we've lost 2 key players. Evidence of this can be seen by things like spending almost £10m on a position that wasn't a key one (left back).

It's hard to be patient when little seems to be happening on the surface and the season draws closer but accept that you have no control over it, find a way to keep yourself amused and have faith.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: andyh on July 23, 2015, 01:56:52 PM

so, are we still in transition then?
It seems that however much of the dross and fringe players we get rid of, we still look a long way from a squad that will do anything more than just about survive.

 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SashasGrandad on July 23, 2015, 02:00:53 PM

I'm sure I've seen it written somewhere today that Tim has a master plan.

It had better be a good one!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on July 23, 2015, 02:01:12 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 23, 2015, 01:19:41 PM

Quote from: Joshua Fineman on July 23, 2015, 01:16:45 PM

http://www.football365.com/f365-says/9921036/F365-Says (http://www.football365.com/f365-says/9921036/F365-Says)

This is all rather hard to argue with....

If the summer was over and the season had started I might agree. But it isn't so surely we should be judging this once the window closes. And any time our season isn't starting with neither TSM1 and TSM2 at the club it's a massive forward step.

Both those managers had far better CVs than our current supremo.

Very worrying that any future new signing wont really have had a pre-season with us so is likely to take longer to settle in.

What is the realistic number of league goals that Kozak, Gabby, Robinson, Gil, Grealish and Sinclair will contribute next season?

If its more than 10, I will be very surprised.

Whats our starting side at Bournemouth looking like at this rate? Not really many other options bar one of Grealish/Sinclair dropping out and Westwood or Bacuna coming in.

----------------Guzan
Hutton, Richards, Clark, Amavi
------Sanchez/Westwood, Gueye
------Grealish, Gil, Sinclair
--------------Gabby---------

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul richard on July 23, 2015, 02:01:54 PM

The general thrust of the article is spot on.  I went to Swindon the other night and our squad looks worryingly short of both quality and quantity.  I know there was no Grealish, Gueye, Okore or Sanchez, and there's the genesis of a potentially half decent defence taking shape, with Amavi, Clark and Richards likely starters at Bournemouth, but a midfield of Westwood, Gardener and Bacuna is championship standard.  And although there was some nice touches from Sinclair and Gil, Gabby showed familiar shortcomings.  A new striker and at least two new bodies in midfield are essential if we are to avoid yet another struggle.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 23, 2015, 02:06:14 PM

and I'm sure that is what will happen - as to who they will be and if they meet the expectations of fans is another matter, but anyone thinking that we are relegated before a ball has been kicked is being ridiculously negative.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: David_Nab on July 23, 2015, 02:06:35 PM

Apparently WBA are ''only '' paying Berahino 15k a week but they want to up it to 30k to ward off bids ...I highly doubt they would sell to us and he would cost alot but he knows where the goal is and would have a nice sell on value in future if he keeps up his scoring

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 23, 2015, 02:15:08 PM

as unlikely as O J Simpson being invited to the first KKK cook out upon his release

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Vegas on July 23, 2015, 02:16:32 PM

Agree with Matt. Despite improvement under Sherwood we came 17th. From that side we've lost the 2 best players and 2 other first team regulars. We've bought 2 promising young players. Cold hard reality of that is it makes us relegation material.

And we could have prepared better. It wasn't hard to see that 3 of the main 4 who have left were going to leave, and the club knew about Delph's buy out clause even if we didn't. It does now have a sense of last minute panic about it, and arguably it didn't need to.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 23, 2015, 02:25:14 PM

Quote from: Vegas on July 23, 2015, 02:16:32 PM

Agree with Matt. Despite improvement under Sherwood we came 17th. From that side we've lost the 2 best players and 2 other first team regulars. We've bought 2 promising young players. Cold hard reality of that is it makes us relegation material.

That would be true had Sherwood been in charge from the start. From when Sherwood came in, I think someone showed that when extrapolated across a season, it would have been a mid-table finish. People seem to making player judgments based on how Lambert had them playing.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on July 23, 2015, 02:25:26 PM

The transfer window shuts in "40 days" and all I see is a lot of crying.

Have you all come from facebook?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 23, 2015, 02:25:58 PM

precisely so buying two of the most promising/highly rated players in the French league is panic? And none of us know what is going on behind the scenes ; of course the club knew two were definitely going and will have  had contingency plans. as to Ron, thank fuck he didn't re-sign, given that the man of glass is now smashed. In the insatiable desire for news by the minute people are getting needlessly doomish.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on July 23, 2015, 02:28:44 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 23, 2015, 02:25:58 PM

precisely so buying two of the most promising/highly rated players in the French league is panic? And none of us know what is going on behind the scenes ; of course the club knew two were definitely going and will have  had contingency plans. as to Ron, thank fuck he didn't re-sign, given that the man of glass is now smashed. In the insatiable desire for news by the minute people are getting needlessly doomish.

^ this ^

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 23, 2015, 02:28:57 PM

The main areas I'm worried about are up front, where we will surely buy at least one player (preferably two) and goalie. If Guzan goes through a bad patch or is injured we've got no real backup.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 23, 2015, 02:29:38 PM

Quote from: paul richard on July 23, 2015, 02:01:54 PM

The general thrust of the article is spot on.  I went to Swindon the other night and our squad looks worryingly short of both quality and quantity.  I know there was no Grealish, Gueye, Okore or Sanchez, and there's the genesis of a potentially half decent defence taking shape, with Amavi, Clark and Richards likely starters at Bournemouth, but a midfield of Westwood, Gardener and Bacuna is championship standard.  And although there was some nice touches from Sinclair and Gil, Gabby showed familiar shortcomings.  A new striker and at least two new bodies in midfield are essential if we are to avoid yet another struggle.

I would even bet my own money that Westwood, Gardener and Bacuna will never start a league game as a midfield trio.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 23, 2015, 02:32:00 PM

Bloody Hell, bed-wetters. It's July. Enjoy the Summer, watch some cricket. Worry about Villa in August, by which time we'll definitely have new players in.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 23, 2015, 02:37:19 PM

Quote from: OCD on July 23, 2015, 02:25:14 PM

Quote from: Vegas on July 23, 2015, 02:16:32 PM

Agree with Matt. Despite improvement under Sherwood we came 17th. From that side we've lost the 2 best players and 2 other first team regulars. We've bought 2 promising young players. Cold hard reality of that is it makes us relegation material.

That would be true had Sherwood been in charge from the start. From when Sherwood came in, I think someone showed that when extrapolated across a season, it would have been a mid-table finish. People seem to making player judgments based on how Lambert had them playing.

13th - but it's not as straightforward as just saying that we were shit under Lambert and great under Sherwood.

It might be that the new season is a joyous romp akin to Everton, Liverpool and West Brom but it could just as easily be a horrible slog like Southampton, Burnley and Arsenal.

Given that the squad is currently weaker rather than stronger than it was for those dreadful last three matches, I don't think it's unreasonable for people to be a bit concerned at this stage.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Diablo on July 23, 2015, 02:43:45 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 23, 2015, 01:25:45 PM

Quote from: LTA on July 23, 2015, 01:21:46 PM

Quote from: Joshua Fineman on July 23, 2015, 01:16:45 PM

http://www.football365.com/f365-says/9921036/F365-Says (http://www.football365.com/f365-says/9921036/F365-Says)

This is all rather hard to argue with....

Can't really argue with any of that.  Just over 2 weeks before the season starts and we are totally unprepared. 

How are we totally unprepared? What a load a nonsense. Have we not started training? Have we not played any friendlies? Do we not have our coaches in place? Does Villa Park not have any grass? We lost two key players and sold some that nobody cares about. We will sell a few and still have to buy some like just about every other club out there. What is so unprepared about that?

You're right. We've started training and our pre-season friendlies are underway. We're in fact well prepared if we don't get replacements for Delph and Benteke.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 23, 2015, 02:53:42 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 23, 2015, 02:37:19 PM

Quote from: OCD on July 23, 2015, 02:25:14 PM

Quote from: Vegas on July 23, 2015, 02:16:32 PM

Agree with Matt. Despite improvement under Sherwood we came 17th. From that side we've lost the 2 best players and 2 other first team regulars. We've bought 2 promising young players. Cold hard reality of that is it makes us relegation material.

That would be true had Sherwood been in charge from the start. From when Sherwood came in, I think someone showed that when extrapolated across a season, it would have been a mid-table finish. People seem to making player judgments based on how Lambert had them playing.

13th - but it's not as straightforward as just saying that we were shit under Lambert and great under Sherwood.

It might be that the new season is a joyous romp akin to Everton, Liverpool and West Brom but it could just as easily be a horrible slog like Southampton, Burnley and Arsenal.

Given that the squad is currently weaker rather than stronger than it was for those dreadful last three matches, I don't think it's unreasonable for people to be a bit concerned at this stage.

There's concerned and there's bed wetting as cdbullyweefan says. You would think the window slams shut tonight at 12 going by some of the comments.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris Smith on July 23, 2015, 02:54:23 PM

The season starting so early understandably means people are going to get a little anxious but it is a little premature. There are still over 6 weeks of the transfer window so trying to make any sense of it now is  probably futile.

Given that from the end of last season although we have lost a couple of key players we have also signed three, reintegrated Gil and have Kozac back in contention then it is not all bad news. On top of that we should have some serious money to spend before Sky Sports News declares that it is all over.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 23, 2015, 03:00:01 PM

There's time to go till the window shuts, but not that long till the season starts.

We could do with being much stronger than last season but we're not, we're actually weaker. Hopefully we'll get some players in the next few weeks, because otherwise, we're going to be risking "chucking" the August fixtures by dint of not being prepared.

Gueye and Amavi, I think, will be good signings. Maybe Richards, too. The problem isn't the three we've made, it is that we haven't yet made enough of them. We need another four or five signings like those.

EDIT and one thing we've seen hinted at already in the friendlies thus far, although early, is that we're not exactly blessed with players able to score on a regular basis.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: AVFC13 on July 23, 2015, 03:01:33 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 23, 2015, 02:28:57 PM

The main areas I'm worried about are up front, where we will surely buy at least one player (preferably two) and goalie. If Guzan goes through a bad patch or is injured we've got no real backup.

Like he did last night in the USA v Jamaica game? Guzan was terrible. Two mistakes led to two goals and they lost 2-1.
I'm a Guzan fan, but he's prone to mistakes and needs to have his head in the game for all 90+ minutes.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: usav on July 23, 2015, 03:06:22 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 23, 2015, 02:29:38 PM

Quote from: paul richard on July 23, 2015, 02:01:54 PM

The general thrust of the article is spot on.  I went to Swindon the other night and our squad looks worryingly short of both quality and quantity.  I know there was no Grealish, Gueye, Okore or Sanchez, and there's the genesis of a potentially half decent defence taking shape, with Amavi, Clark and Richards likely starters at Bournemouth, but a midfield of Westwood, Gardener and Bacuna is championship standard.  And although there was some nice touches from Sinclair and Gil, Gabby showed familiar shortcomings.  A new striker and at least two new bodies in midfield are essential if we are to avoid yet another struggle.

I would even bet my own money that Westwood, Gardener and Bacuna will never start a league game as a midfield trio.

I bet neither of those things will happen.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SirSteveUK on July 23, 2015, 03:08:04 PM

Guzan stepped out of the area to throw long - that was his error. Free kick from which they scored. He wasn't responsible for the other one

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on July 23, 2015, 03:21:58 PM

Quote from: SirSteveUK on July 23, 2015, 03:08:04 PM

Guzan stepped out of the area to throw long - that was his error. Free kick from which they scored. He wasn't responsible for the other one

I think he might've done better for the first one, but it could go either way. The second one was stupid, but honestly, keepers do it often these days and I can't remember anyone being pinged for it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 23, 2015, 03:26:18 PM

The Bordeaux president has categorically denied any offer from us for Diego Rolan. Nailed on to be announced next week then?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 23, 2015, 03:27:21 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 23, 2015, 02:32:00 PM

Bloody Hell, bed-wetters. It's July. Enjoy the Summer, watch some cricket. Worry about Villa in August, by which time we'll definitely have new players in.

That's even more depressing at the moment!!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 23, 2015, 03:29:40 PM

We need to get on the front foot and quickly, August holds 3 winnable fixtures and we should go into it with our signings all done.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passport1 on July 23, 2015, 03:44:23 PM

I have to admire the optimists but given that we have been serial relegation dodgers in recent seasons and our squad is currently weaker than it was last season there us justifiable cause for some concern.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: AVFC13 on July 23, 2015, 03:46:33 PM

Quote from: SirSteveUK on July 23, 2015, 03:08:04 PM

Guzan stepped out of the area to throw long - that was his error. Free kick from which they scored. He wasn't responsible for the other one

I'll disagree on this. A goal keeper's footwork is often the most important aspect of making saves with their hands. Clearly Guzan came forward a few steps then backtracks...at that point he is out of position and the ball is out put to a spot he can no longer get to.
Whether he's at fault or not, it doesn't matter. He needs to be better. I believe he should be our number 1, but I'd only give him until January. If he keeps making mental mistakes, a new keeper needs to be brought in.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 23, 2015, 03:49:02 PM

weaker / stronger -

Goalkeeper - same

RB - same
CB - weaker
CB - same
LB - stronger

LM - weaker
CM - weaker
CM - same
RM - same

Nr 10 - same

CF - weaker

That suggests to me we need 4 quality players in within 2 weeks ideally. That's a big ask.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: papa lazarou on July 23, 2015, 03:50:19 PM

The past two or three seasons have been, shall we say, financially prudent. After the two signings already made it was unlikely that more signings would have been made without knowing the outcome of the Benteke saga. That is now complete so I suspect that there is a substantial amount of work going on to get players in. The club have also proved to be successfully secretive in business dealings so we'll just have to be patient.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: onje_villa on July 23, 2015, 03:53:30 PM

It's funny how the "man-the-fuck-up-brigade" are equally as judgmental and unreasonable as the so-called "bed-wetters".

Clearly it's good to be positive and you can look for the positives in everything but the facts will tell you that we had a very poor quality squad last season which saw us finish 17th and that we have lost arguably our best 3 players from that squad in one go. It is a concern and I don't think it's "bed-wetting" to say so.

Now the new signings could work out well but the article is right that there is no magic formula to improving on our dismal recent final positions in the league. Sadly, it has nothing to do with our enthusiasm as fans and how positive we are and everything to do with the quality of the team that takes the pitch.

Edit to say that others are correct, the new season isn't here yet but the next few weeks will be crucial in determining the sort of quality TS has to play with. Main concern being goals.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 23, 2015, 03:55:06 PM

I'd like to see a commanding centre back signed before the season starts. The thought of starting the season with one of Clark, Baker and Okore in the side fills me with dread. Richards injury record is also a concern. I really hope Sherwood knows what he's doing.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on July 23, 2015, 04:03:56 PM

That articles half right. If we don't buy we're completely stufferated. But we will and there's the rub.

If I squint and promise myself I won't cry, I can see the benefit of an experienced Adebayor fired up by Sherwood over some guy with an ace YouTube collection but naff all experience over here - a real gamble, though perhaps either way. So maybe we need both.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dr Butler on July 23, 2015, 04:05:04 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 23, 2015, 03:55:06 PM

I'd like to see a commanding centre back signed before the season starts. The thought of starting the season with one of Clark, Baker and Okore in the side fills me with dread. Richards injury record is also a concern. I really hope Sherwood knows what he's doing.

I thought that Clark and Baker were playing quite well last season before their respective injuries ended their seasons....Okore has a wobble in him early on in games  but seems to get better throughout the game...

UTV
The Doc

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 23, 2015, 04:08:17 PM

There has been virtually nothing about Backary Sako in the  news for a few weeks.I'm expecting to see him roll up at villa park shortly.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 23, 2015, 04:08:37 PM

I don't think there are any plans for any more centre backs. Clark and Okore looked like our best combination last year so that counters the argument of Vlaar going being such a loss. Richards stayed fit last year so hopefully he's ok now but keeping defenders injury free so that we can have a consistent backline is important. A year in Italy should have made Richards a better centre back and we've seen a few times how important experience is with centre backs.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: adam#1 on July 23, 2015, 04:12:39 PM

Why not sign Benni McCarthy?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 23, 2015, 04:14:49 PM

Okore is out til September so we already know there's an issue. As its stands the defence at Bournemouth would be Hutton Richards Clark Amarvi - that should be ok.
I'm more concerned with where the creativity & goals will come from , we need to act and spend big in this area .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: glasses on July 23, 2015, 04:19:40 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 23, 2015, 04:14:49 PM

Okore is out til September so we already know there's an issue. As its stands the defence at Bournemouth would be Hutton Richards Clark Amarvi - that should be ok.
I'm more concerned with where the creativity & goals will come from , we need to act and spend big in this area .

That's exactly right

Although the starting 11 may not look that bad, 1 injury and theres next to bugger all behind it

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Concrete John on July 23, 2015, 04:22:43 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 23, 2015, 03:49:02 PM

weaker / stronger -

Goalkeeper - same

RB - same
CB - weaker
CB - same
LB - stronger

LM - weaker
CM - weaker
CM - same
RM - same

Nr 10 - same

CF - weaker

That suggests to me we need 4 quality players in within 2 weeks ideally. That's a big ask.

CB with Richards for Vlaar is arguable, but if you're classing LM as weaker for Delph going, then surely Guieye coming in makes CM stronger?

As it goes, I think we need to replace Delph and Benteke with real quality and then add another option in the attacking midfield bracket and we'll have enough to be comfortable in the league.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aev on July 23, 2015, 04:31:41 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on July 23, 2015, 04:22:43 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 23, 2015, 03:49:02 PM

weaker / stronger -

Goalkeeper - same

RB - same
CB - weaker
CB - same
LB - stronger

LM - weaker
CM - weaker
CM - same
RM - same

Nr 10 - same

CF - weaker

That suggests to me we need 4 quality players in within 2 weeks ideally. That's a big ask.

CB with Richards for Vlaar is arguable, but if you're classing LM as weaker for Delph going, then surely Guieye coming in makes CM stronger?

As it goes, I think we need to replace Delph and Benteke with real quality and then add another option in the attacking midfield bracket and we'll have enough to be comfortable in the league.

I am all for being positive but there is also a chance that Gueye (like many of our previous foreign league signings in midfield) struggles to make an impact. He has no experience of our league afterall.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 23, 2015, 04:44:56 PM

My logic was Delph replaced by Gueye - short term at least is definitely weaker as he adapts to the pace and rigours of PL life.
LM - Cleverly gone , Tonev in ?? Weaker.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 23, 2015, 04:50:45 PM

I strongly suspect Gueye will do better than no goals and three assists and at a stretch, outdo Phil Jones for through balls.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard E on July 23, 2015, 04:53:10 PM

Quote from: Ads on July 23, 2015, 04:50:45 PM

I strongly suspect Gueye will do better than no goals and three assists and at a stretch, outdo Phil Jones for through balls.

That's the first game sorted, then. What will he produce in the following 37?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on July 23, 2015, 05:07:43 PM

i could see Villa going for Mario Balotelli on a season loan with Liverpool paying something towards his wages. As Liverpool will need to trim the options upfront.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: AVFC13 on July 23, 2015, 05:09:08 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on July 23, 2015, 05:07:43 PM

i could see Villa going for Mario Balotelli on a season loan with Liverpool paying something towards his wages. As Liverpool will need to trim the options upfront.

I don't see Sherwood bringing someone like Balotelli in as he would disrupt the dressing room. Would much rather see Austin and Adebayor (sp?) added.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 23, 2015, 05:12:50 PM

Jesus imagine a pairing of Balottelli and Agbonlahour up front. More hormones and attitude than an episode of Loose Women.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 23, 2015, 05:27:26 PM

Charlie Austin is allegedly holding out on a move until late in the window. Hoping one of the sky4 come in for him if they don't fill their quotas etc

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 23, 2015, 05:29:50 PM

Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 23, 2015, 05:27:26 PM

Charlie Austin is allegedly holding out on a move until late in the window. Hoping one of the sky4 come in for him if they don't fill their quotas etc

We cannot wait for him. Move on.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: berneboy on July 23, 2015, 05:32:03 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 23, 2015, 03:26:18 PM

The Bordeaux president has categorically denied any offer from us for Diego Rolan. Nailed on to be announced next week then?

The President of French side Bordeaux has categorically denied that Aston Villa have made any approach for their striker Diego Rolan. Jean-Louis Triaud spoke about the Uruguayan striker to So Foot and made it clear that Villa, as well as Newcastle United, had not made any official approach for the player:

"Newcastle, there has been contact, but never direct with us. In many times, but by various intermediaries.

But if one of our players could interest another club they know my phone and my address, so: direct contact!

“Newcastle, we can assume that there was some truth in their interest, but Aston Villa, never heard! They have never manifested directly or indirectly, by any agent, at the time when I speak.”

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 23, 2015, 05:32:37 PM

Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 23, 2015, 05:27:26 PM

Charlie Austin is allegedly holding out on a move until late in the window. Hoping one of the sky4 come in for him if they don't fill their quotas etc

I hope for his sake that's not true. Imagine holding out for a move to a top side, not because of talent but because of a quota on the location of your birth - all at the risk of ending up playing championship football when you had a very good chance of playing for the same country.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 23, 2015, 05:40:41 PM

Like anyone from the top 4 are going to bid for Austin

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: DB on July 23, 2015, 05:47:46 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 23, 2015, 05:40:41 PM

Like anyone from the top 4 are going to bid for Austin

He is known locally down here as 'big time'.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: wozwebs on July 23, 2015, 05:49:39 PM

Jordan Ayew says villa deal 90% on his own Facebook. Search for Jordon Ayew 11

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 23, 2015, 05:54:30 PM

The Jordan Ayew facebook page has 9000+ followers and the Jordan Ayew11 one has 22. Nothing about Villa other than the link on the first one. Right now I know which version I believe on this story.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: wozwebs on July 23, 2015, 06:08:45 PM

6,478 likes the one I'm lookin at.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 23, 2015, 06:09:01 PM

Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 23, 2015, 05:27:26 PM

Charlie Austin is allegedly holding out on a move until late in the window. Hoping one of the sky4 come in for him if they don't fill their quotas etc

Do you have a source for this other than Darren Gough's imagination?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on July 23, 2015, 06:18:07 PM

Quote from: wozwebs on July 23, 2015, 06:08:45 PM

6,478 likes the one I'm lookin at.

That accounts not real! There's a photo of him with his Marseille shirt with the caption 'move or stay'?

If that was real, his fans would have castrated him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LTA on July 23, 2015, 06:22:42 PM

Nursey now trying to tout Clark to West Brom......

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 23, 2015, 06:24:46 PM

Jordan A'who ?? Can he score goals ?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 23, 2015, 06:33:18 PM

yes he can! and the geezer's brother is with Swansea I think so no homesickness issues!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on July 23, 2015, 06:41:33 PM

The Italian press according to Meaning Evil Web site

Felipe Avenatti, a 22-year-old Uruguayan who plays for Ternana, is a target for Villa and Leeds.

So if we Signed Diego Rolan and we should also sign up him as well so we have two Uruguayan strikers. That should be fine until Edinson Cavani want a transfer to Villa Park.  Don't know how good is Phil :)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 23, 2015, 06:42:45 PM

well the Mirror say we are holding a 'transfer summit' this week after Tim was left 'reeling' by Delph and Benteke leaving. Latest name in the frame : Sporting Lisbon's Islam Slimani.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on July 23, 2015, 06:50:57 PM

That would be very big shirt seller to local muslims if we use Islam on shirt with suitable number.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 23, 2015, 06:53:52 PM

Quote from: Lastfootstamper on July 23, 2015, 06:09:01 PM

Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 23, 2015, 05:27:26 PM

Charlie Austin is allegedly holding out on a move until late in the window. Hoping one of the sky4 come in for him if they don't fill their quotas etc

Do you have a source for this other than Darren Gough's imagination?

A few QPR fans i work with are adament thats why hes not moved yet.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 23, 2015, 07:10:19 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 23, 2015, 06:42:45 PM

well the Mirror say we are holding a 'transfer summit' this week after Tim was left 'reeling' by Delph and Benteke leaving. Latest name in the frame : Sporting Lisbon's Islam Slimani.

Shouldn't it be a "Showdown meeting!" as "Angry Sherwood demands transfer warchest from Beneteke firesale funds!" ? Bit disappointed in the Mirror so far this window, not even close to the level of deranged hysteria I have come to expect from the sports press.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on July 23, 2015, 07:12:23 PM

''Sherwood on brink as Villa big guns leave sinking ship''

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 23, 2015, 07:12:59 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on July 23, 2015, 07:12:23 PM

''Sherwood on brink as Villa big guns leave sinking ship''

Very good. very good!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on July 23, 2015, 07:24:56 PM

Ayew for £6/7m? Hmm not sure at all. I want more links like that Embolo chap.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 23, 2015, 07:44:15 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on July 23, 2015, 07:24:56 PM

Ayew for £6/7m? Hmm not sure at all. I want more links like that Embolo chap.

He is the one who stands out. If we get him it would be a statement of intent that we mean business.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aev on July 23, 2015, 07:44:44 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 23, 2015, 07:44:15 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on July 23, 2015, 07:24:56 PM

Ayew for £6/7m? Hmm not sure at all. I want more links like that Embolo chap.

He is the one who stands out. If we get him it would be a statement of intent of the fact we mean business.

Rickie Lambert it is then.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on July 23, 2015, 07:46:44 PM

Quote from: aev on July 23, 2015, 07:44:44 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 23, 2015, 07:44:15 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on July 23, 2015, 07:24:56 PM

Ayew for £6/7m? Hmm not sure at all. I want more links like that Embolo chap.

He is the one who stands out. If we get him it would be a statement of intent of the fact we mean business.

Rickie Lambert it is then.

Don't say that. I remember when we used to joke about Marlon Harewood and Heskey...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Shrek on July 23, 2015, 07:55:02 PM

Quote from: Lastfootstamper on July 23, 2015, 06:09:01 PM

Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 23, 2015, 05:27:26 PM

Charlie Austin is allegedly holding out on a move until late in the window. Hoping one of the sky4 come in for him if they don't fill their quotas etc

Do you have a source for this other than Darren Gough's imagination?

I heard Chris Ramsay say, we've rejected offers and that Austin has also rejected offers. (I'm assume he means offers the club would accept)
So it does seem logical he is holding out for a late move, it would probably mean more money as well wages wise.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 23, 2015, 08:02:06 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 23, 2015, 05:54:30 PM

The Jordan Ayew facebook page has 9000+ followers and the Jordan Ayew11 one has 22. Nothing about Villa other than the link on the first one. Right now I know which version I believe on this story.

Just checked to see who he is - not on facebook - and see that he plays for Lorient. ina  bar in Abu Dhabi and the only football on was (I think) Marseille v Lorient so me and my 2 mates were laughingly hoping Orient won seeing that they had a big game in League 1 the next day. You get the gist. Anyway, not really impressed with Ayew and then he scores an absolute screamer. I think he went on to get a hat-trick in a 5-3 away win. Bizarre game.

Anyway, I'll rather mystifyingly finish this by hoping we don't sign him. i don't want too many Africans and don't think he'll adapt to the English game given that he's quite slight.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: nodge on July 23, 2015, 08:03:33 PM

Quote from: Shrek on July 23, 2015, 07:55:02 PM

Quote from: Lastfootstamper on July 23, 2015, 06:09:01 PM

Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 23, 2015, 05:27:26 PM

Charlie Austin is allegedly holding out on a move until late in the window. Hoping one of the sky4 come in for him if they don't fill their quotas etc

Do you have a source for this other than Darren Gough's imagination?

I heard Chris Ramsay say, we've rejected offers and that Austin has also rejected offers. (I'm assume he means offers the club would accept)
So it does seem logical he is holding out for a late move, it would probably mean more money as well wages wise.

I have to admit I don't like him since he said something like we should be beating teams like Aston Villa when we lost at their place last season.  I don't like anyone who speaks about Aston Villa in that way.  Especially one who looks like he belongs on a building site and playing Sunday morning football still half pissed from the night before.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 23, 2015, 08:05:57 PM

Given that there was a lot of talk that Newcastle wanted him, he's probably rejected Newcastle or at least thinks he can do better than Newcastle. He's probably very comfortable with the London lifestyle.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 23, 2015, 08:23:10 PM

Quote from: peter w on July 23, 2015, 08:02:06 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 23, 2015, 05:54:30 PM

The Jordan Ayew facebook page has 9000+ followers and the Jordan Ayew11 one has 22. Nothing about Villa other than the link on the first one. Right now I know which version I believe on this story.

Just checked to see who he is - not on facebook - and see that he plays for Lorient. ina  bar in Abu Dhabi and the only football on was (I think) Marseille v Lorient so me and my 2 mates were laughingly hoping Orient won seeing that they had a big game in League 1 the next day. You get the gist. Anyway, not really impressed with Ayew and then he scores an absolute screamer. I think he went on to get a hat-trick in a 5-3 away win. Bizarre game.

Anyway, I'll rather mystifyingly finish this by hoping we don't sign him. i don't want too many Africans and don't think he'll adapt to the English game given that he's quite slight.

I didn't realise Abedi Pele is the Ayew brothers' father. He was a great player

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 23, 2015, 08:38:25 PM

His dad ? Shit. That's aged more than anything.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 23, 2015, 08:53:48 PM

If we sign Ayew we will have to scour the globe to find his striking partner Oome.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve R on July 23, 2015, 08:59:29 PM

Even without further signings we are going to start this season with a stronger team to pick from than the one that started the last one. Assuming Amavi is as good as he looked against Swindon and Gueye lives up to expectations. It's a bit early to start worrying.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 23, 2015, 09:06:07 PM

Quote from: brian green on July 23, 2015, 08:53:48 PM

If we sign Ayew we will have to scour the globe to find his striking partner Oome.

This is funny.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 23, 2015, 09:08:42 PM

It is early for panic. I keep reminding myself we have broken up a losing team not a winning one. We could not do any worse and stay in the league. The players who have left were equally responsible for our terrible end of season surrender and FA Cup embarrassment.  We may yet end up with a more balanced and better side come kick off day.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 23, 2015, 09:19:23 PM

Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 23, 2015, 09:06:07 PM

Quote from: brian green on July 23, 2015, 08:53:48 PM

If we sign Ayew we will have to scour the globe to find his striking partner Oome.

This is funny.

He'd sign for The Baggies surely?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 23, 2015, 11:17:59 PM

Quote from: Steve Rose on July 23, 2015, 08:59:29 PM

Even without further signings we are going to start this season with a stronger team to pick from than the one that started the last one. Assuming Amavi is as good as he looked against Swindon and Gueye lives up to expectations. It's a bit early to start worrying.

How on earth do you work that out? I can't believe you're serious. The current squad scored 12 league goals last year. 12.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: wozwebs on July 23, 2015, 11:24:22 PM

The Sun: Cambiasso held talks with Sherwood yesterday and £6m bid for Gestede at Blackburn that could rise to £8m

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 23, 2015, 11:25:05 PM

The thing is, there is some creativity in the side, with Gil, Grealish and Sinclair but no one to get goals on a consistent basis. I think we still need two midfielders and two forwards.

Links to Gestede. Is he any good? Cambiasso would be good.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 23, 2015, 11:32:08 PM

Gestede had a growing reputation last season so not an unrealistic target.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passport1 on July 23, 2015, 11:41:14 PM

Gestede gave Liverpool a torrid time in an fa cup tie last season as I recall. I remember thinking then he would be a decent buy.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 23, 2015, 11:54:42 PM

Quote from: passport1 on July 23, 2015, 11:41:14 PM

Gestede gave Liverpool a torrid time in an fa cup tie last season as I recall. I remember thinking then he would be a decent buy.

Gestede v Embolo?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on July 23, 2015, 11:55:47 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 23, 2015, 11:17:59 PM

Quote from: Steve Rose on July 23, 2015, 08:59:29 PM

Even without further signings we are going to start this season with a stronger team to pick from than the one that started the last one. Assuming Amavi is as good as he looked against Swindon and Gueye lives up to expectations. It's a bit early to start worrying.

How on earth do you work that out? I can't believe you're serious. The current squad scored 12 league goals last year. 12.

I'm sure I'm not the first to say this, but I find it almost impossible to make any sound judgment on the quality of the squad on the basis of how it performed last year.  It was such a bizarre (largely awful) and schizophrenic season.  For the first two thirds of it we didn't even appear to be playing football; there certainly didn't seem to have been any instruction to have a shot at goal.  Sherwood at least showed what we all knew (and what caused so much frustration under Lambert), that with a bit of encouragement and some coherent tactics we do have some decent players; I remember it being said many times at the height of Lambert's ineptitude that while we didn't have a top half squad, we most certainly didn't have a bottom three one.  I think that summation still applies.  And that's right now, with six weeks left for us to strengthen, and apparently a few quid. 

I do understand the angst, there's a lot at stake and we're all sick of the seemingly constant kicks in the bollocks we've been getting lately, but try drawing any single conclusion from the circus of last season and you can probably find another one that contradicts it.  I'm choosing to pretend it didn't happen, and I'm looking forward to us doing the treble.   

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 23, 2015, 11:56:13 PM

Gestede looks a good target man. If we are in for him it would be a decent option. Adebayor on loan seems nailed on. I wonder if we are after 3 forwards to cover the gap with one able to play wide or in the hole, like Rolan or Ayew seem to be able too. Adebayor, Gestede, Ayew, Cambiasso and Praet before the month is out would certainly make me think we are a bit stronger than last season. Get it done Villa. I am in France at the moment. Usually while on my summer holidays we sign a couple of players. Vlaar, Cissokho, Sanchez spring to mind. Hopefully this years holiday buys can have similar stellar impacts.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 23, 2015, 11:57:59 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 23, 2015, 11:54:42 PM

Quote from: passport1 on July 23, 2015, 11:41:14 PM

Gestede gave Liverpool a torrid time in an fa cup tie last season as I recall. I remember thinking then he would be a decent buy.

This is tough, as Embolo is clearly extremely talented and set for great things. But, he is also 18, and never played in the English league week in week out, which Gestede has done, and seems to be getting better at. Both would be nice!
Gestede v Embolo?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on July 24, 2015, 12:04:55 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 23, 2015, 11:56:13 PM

Gestede looks a good target man. If we are in for him it would be a decent option. Adebayor on loan seems nailed on. I wonder if we are after 3 forwards to cover the gap with one able to play wide or in the hole, like Rolan or Ayew seem to be able too. Adebayor, Gestede, Ayew, Cambiasso and Praet before the month is out would certainly make me think we are a bit stronger than last season. Get it done Villa. I am in France at the moment. Usually while on my summer holidays we sign a couple of players. Vlaar, Cissokho, Sanchez spring to mind. Hopefully this years holiday buys can have similar stellar impacts.

Usually while on my holidays a bunch of famous people snuff it.  Richard Burton, Eric Morecambe, Tommy Cooper, Mrs Gandhi, I killed em all.  And there's more.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eamonn on July 24, 2015, 12:09:44 AM

Ozz, it looks like France is where we're shopping this summer so nip down to the nearest Carrefour and see if you can nab that Rolan fella off the shelf. Failing that, Frank Le Bouef is in one of the special offer buckets next to the meat counter.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 24, 2015, 12:12:14 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 23, 2015, 11:57:59 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 23, 2015, 11:54:42 PM

Quote from: passport1 on July 23, 2015, 11:41:14 PM

Gestede gave Liverpool a torrid time in an fa cup tie last season as I recall. I remember thinking then he would be a decent buy.

This is tough, as Embolo is clearly extremely talented and set for great things. But, he is also 18, and never played in the English league week in week out, which Gestede has done, and seems to be getting better at. Both would be nice!
Gestede v Embolo?

Personally I think the insurance of Adebeyor (and after that Gabby/Kozak) is enough and would gamble on Embolo rather than Gestede

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 24, 2015, 12:16:09 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 23, 2015, 11:54:42 PM

Quote from: passport1 on July 23, 2015, 11:41:14 PM

Gestede gave Liverpool a torrid time in an fa cup tie last season as I recall. I remember thinking then he would be a decent buy.

Gestede v Embolo?

Is that who West Ham play in the next round?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 24, 2015, 12:25:48 AM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3172693/Aston-Villa-swoop-Ashley-Young-Manchester-United-winger-waits-contract-extension-Old-Trafford.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

Oh please Ashley young come back that would be amazing!! This is great news that we re keeping tabs. Truly performing well  last season make up for departures! Come on youngy

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 24, 2015, 12:28:41 AM

Quote from: wozwebs on July 23, 2015, 11:24:22 PM

The Sun: Cambiasso held talks with Sherwood yesterday and £6m bid for Gestede at Blackburn that could rise to £8m

The sun said big ben was going to man utd

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 24, 2015, 01:02:36 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on July 24, 2015, 12:25:48 AM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3172693/Aston-Villa-swoop-Ashley-Young-Manchester-United-winger-waits-contract-extension-Old-Trafford.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

Oh please Ashley young come back that would be amazing!! This is great news that we re keeping tabs. Truly performing well  last season make up for departures! Come on youngy'

As good as that would be, surely that one has to filed under 'highly unlikely'?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on July 24, 2015, 01:52:07 AM

Gustede looks half decent, scored more than 20 goals last season and probably worth a gamble if valued at £6m...Rhodes scored similar amount of goals and Blackburn are refusing to sell to a Championship club but would accept £10m from a PL team. I'd rather take my chances on one of these European players we've been linked with.

Cambiasso is a no brainer if we're in for him...I doubt he'd get many better offers than playing for Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on July 24, 2015, 02:43:41 AM

Quote from: tomd2103 on July 24, 2015, 01:02:36 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on July 24, 2015, 12:25:48 AM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3172693/Aston-Villa-swoop-Ashley-Young-Manchester-United-winger-waits-contract-extension-Old-Trafford.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

Oh please Ashley young come back that would be amazing!! This is great news that we re keeping tabs. Truly performing well  last season make up for departures! Come on youngy'

As good as that would be, surely that one has to filed under 'highly unlikely'?

More like 'Never going to happen'

He's good up there for at least one more year, if I were him i'd stick it out because he's knocking on now. Overall though his returns for them have been poor. Spuds or Everton for him after if no new contract materializes.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve R on July 24, 2015, 05:36:39 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 23, 2015, 11:17:59 PM

Quote from: Steve Rose on July 23, 2015, 08:59:29 PM

Even without further signings we are going to start this season with a stronger team to pick from than the one that started the last one. Assuming Amavi is as good as he looked against Swindon and Gueye lives up to expectations. It's a bit early to start worrying.

How on earth do you work that out? I can't believe you're serious. The current squad scored 12 league goals last year. 12.

I was talking about the state we are/were in going into the season.

When we started last season Benteke, Kozak and Okore were unavailable, Gil, Sinclair and Cleverley had yet to arrive and Grealish had yet to show us  what a player he could be.

The starting XI for the first three games (seven points) :

Guzan, Hutton, Cissokho, Vlaar, Senderos, Westwood, NZogbia, Delph, Agbonlahor, Richardson and Weimann.

We may not have looked too good so far in pre season but the team we can put out still looks a few light years ahead of that one.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 24, 2015, 05:41:43 AM

Ashley Young? No thanks.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 24, 2015, 06:35:49 AM

Agreed Steven Rose. Amavi looks very good indeed, while Gil, Grealish and Sinclair offer us good attacking options far beyond those we had at Stoke, a game we won comfortably.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 24, 2015, 07:04:39 AM

I don't like the idea of Gestede at all, especially at the prices quoted. He scored a few a goals last season but his record apart from that is pretty average for  26 year old.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 24, 2015, 07:08:37 AM

I have woken  up to the excellent news that we may be in for Rudy Gestede and Cambiasso.
That would be progress in sorting out our immediate problems.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 24, 2015, 07:13:40 AM

Quote from: Clampy on July 24, 2015, 07:04:39 AM

I don't like the idea of Gestede at all, especially at the prices quoted. He scored a few a goals last season but his record apart from that is pretty average for  26 year old.

We need a presence up front Clampy. Gestede is very good in the air and can hold the ball up well for others to come through.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 24, 2015, 07:35:55 AM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 24, 2015, 07:13:40 AM

Quote from: Clampy on July 24, 2015, 07:04:39 AM

I don't like the idea of Gestede at all, especially at the prices quoted. He scored a few a goals last season but his record apart from that is pretty average for  26 year old.

We need a presence up front Clampy. Gestede is very good in the air and can hold the ball up well for others to come through.

We do, I agree but spending £7m on someone who's had one decent season at the age of 26 is more than a gamble.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 24, 2015, 07:42:39 AM

I'd rather Adebayor than Gestede

Not that convinced by Ayew tho he's another I don't really know

We need  more characters and leaders. We're very very weak on that front at the moment

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frank black on July 24, 2015, 07:58:53 AM

Blimey that Ayew family are talented

'Ayew is the son of Maha Ayew and Abedi Pelé, nephew of Kwame and Sola and brother of André, Ibrahim and Imani. All male extended family and siblings are current or former professional footballers.'

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: walsall villain on July 24, 2015, 08:03:45 AM

Quote from: Clampy on July 24, 2015, 07:04:39 AM

I don't like the idea of Gestede at all, especially at the prices quoted. He scored a few a goals last season but his record apart from that is pretty average for  26 year old.

32 goals in 60 appearances since joining them permanently according to good old wiki. From what I saw of him in the televised cup games last year I like him but it's always a gamble with the step up from the championship.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 24, 2015, 08:05:44 AM

I wouldn't mind him as a replacement for Weimann but if he turns out to be the replacement for Benteke I'd be massively unimpressed.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 24, 2015, 08:20:02 AM

Gestede would be a huge punt, which is probably what we would go back to from Guzan.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 24, 2015, 08:27:19 AM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 24, 2015, 08:05:44 AM

I wouldn't mind him as a replacement for Weimann but if he turns out to be the replacement for Benteke I'd be massively unimpressed.

Prepare yourself 😉

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 24, 2015, 08:34:26 AM

Embolo would be a punt too as would Oulare. Everything's a punt really but would rather have Gestede as a target man than Adebayor. with two pacy people (Rolan for example) playing either side with width and pace it could be ok.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 24, 2015, 08:42:06 AM

You are perfectly correct Mr U, every purchase is a gamble but the punt I fear is the return to hoofball and Brad Guzan does not take a lot of nudging in that direction.   My hope is that we can play a different style without CB, fast, nimble and penetrating.   The words "target man" make my heart sink.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 24, 2015, 08:43:14 AM

just read a report that we've bid 7m for Ayew. Playing off Gestede he wouldn't be bad ? Discuss.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on July 24, 2015, 08:49:19 AM

Quote from: Clampy on July 24, 2015, 07:35:55 AM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 24, 2015, 07:13:40 AM

Quote from: Clampy on July 24, 2015, 07:04:39 AM

I don't like the idea of Gestede at all, especially at the prices quoted. He scored a few a goals last season but his record apart from that is pretty average for  26 year old.

We need a presence up front Clampy. Gestede is very good in the air and can hold the ball up well for others to come through.

We do, I agree but spending £7m on someone who's had one decent season at the age of 26 is more than a gamble.

You could say the same about Charlie Austin, only that punt will cost £15m.

That said, not sure about Gestede - partly because I've not seen that much of him and he doesn't seem to have played a lot of football (when at Cardiff) which suggests indifferent form and/or injuries. Though I do like anyone who has scored a hat-trick against the B-lose. UTV.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 24, 2015, 08:50:19 AM

Let the hunt for Oome commence.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: lovejoy on July 24, 2015, 08:50:42 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 24, 2015, 07:42:39 AM

I'd rather Adebayor than Gestede

Not that convinced by Ayew tho he's another I don't really know

We need  more characters and leaders. We're very very weak on that front at the moment

I assume Adebayor comes under character rather than a leader. He has a lot of off the field issues and is also someone who plays in fits and starts.
A big fat NO from me.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 24, 2015, 08:53:15 AM

I think Kozak may work as a target man with a partner in crime needed to feed off his flicks etc and then say Adeybayour sat a bit deeper in a languid yet dangerously effective Nr 10 role (a bit like Berbatov in his prime).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 24, 2015, 08:59:28 AM

At the moment this squad looks a real relegation contender. You could imagine Gestede being the type to keep such a side afloat, and who knows perhaps he's better than that. But it doesn't scream fast paced, intricate football.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on July 24, 2015, 09:19:29 AM

Gestede replacing Benteke would tell you exactly where we are going, nowhere.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 24, 2015, 09:21:43 AM

Quote from: aj2k77 on July 24, 2015, 09:19:29 AM

Gestede replacing Benteke would tell you exactly where we are going, nowhere.

You mean down

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 24, 2015, 09:30:36 AM

I really hope we land Gestede. Anytime I've seen him he's played well. That'll do for me.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mark H on July 24, 2015, 09:34:04 AM

A very good friend of mine who is a Blackburn season ticket holder (his 15 year old lad has Gestede on the back of his shirt) is convinced he will be a very successful premier league player and he sees him every home game they play - better than Jordan Rhodes is the Blackburn fans view

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 24, 2015, 09:38:51 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 24, 2015, 08:59:28 AM

At the moment this squad looks a real relegation contender. You could imagine Gestede being the type to keep such a side afloat, and who knows perhaps he's better than that. But it doesn't scream fast paced, intricate football.

I don't know about Gestede, but you're right about the squad at the moment, it is desperately weak. I'm a tad concerned about how much reinforcing we're going to be able to do. We've lost our two best players from last season's squad, and that was already too weak.

I hope Sherwood gets all that money to spend, what with that and all the work done on the wage bill, there's no excuse for him not to.

If we push our luck again this season, I fear we won't get away with it this time.

It was only the other day I realised the season starts in just over two weeks. I am aware the window shuts at the end of August but there are points to be had before then. Last season we took almost 20% of our total points tally in August, for example.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 24, 2015, 09:42:02 AM

Gestede would be the much-needed replacement for Jordan Bowery.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: VillaAlways on July 24, 2015, 09:44:04 AM

Bid of 12 million accepted for striker Jordan Ayew from Lorient according to SSN breaking news

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 24, 2015, 09:46:29 AM

The son of Abedi Pele. Wow.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard E on July 24, 2015, 09:51:47 AM

Our objective should be to field an entire XI consisting of French players with the first name Jordan and surnames beginning with the letter A

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dr Butler on July 24, 2015, 09:53:51 AM

just seen this on the BBC...

BREAKING: Sky Sources: Aston Villa have £12m bid accepted by Lorient for striker Jordan Ayew #SSNHQ
SkySportsNewsHQ

UTV
The Doc

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 24, 2015, 10:03:49 AM

Not impressed.Didn't he get into trouble for his off the field activities.Just the type we need at VP is Embolo out of our financial reach then?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 24, 2015, 10:04:00 AM

get in - the Villa French foreign legion marches on

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve R on July 24, 2015, 10:10:01 AM

Allez Sherwood's enfants.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: VillaAlways on July 24, 2015, 10:10:20 AM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 24, 2015, 10:03:49 AM

Not impressed.Didn't he get into trouble for his off the field activities.Just the type we need at VP is Embolo out of our financial reach then?

Maybe were after both?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 24, 2015, 10:12:34 AM

Embolo won't go this summer I think unless it's for something  intergalactic . They just turned down £13m from Juventus because the numbers didn't suit.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: thick_mike on July 24, 2015, 10:15:09 AM

Every time I see Ayew...I immediately say "the Rocksteady Crew" in my mind.

Surely I can't be alone in this?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 24, 2015, 10:15:41 AM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 24, 2015, 10:03:49 AM

Not impressed.Didn't he get into trouble for his off the field activities.Just the type we need at VP is Embolo out of our financial reach then?

What sort of off-field activities?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 24, 2015, 10:17:17 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 24, 2015, 10:12:34 AM

Embolo won't go this summer I think unless it's for something  intergalactic . They just turned down £13m from Juventus because the numbers didn't suit.

This should sort them out.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 24, 2015, 10:24:44 AM

Quote from: thick_mike on July 24, 2015, 10:15:09 AM

Every time I see Ayew...I immediately say "the Rocksteady Crew" in my mind.

Surely I can't be alone in this?

Nope, me too...the chant is already written and waiting.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dicedlam on July 24, 2015, 10:25:04 AM

Quote from: VillaAlways on July 24, 2015, 09:44:04 AM

Bid of 12 million accepted for striker Jordan Ayew from Lorient according to SSN breaking news

If that's true then I for one am excited to see him come here. If you read around a few sites he is widely regarded as the better of the two brothers.
The only concern I have is if Adebayor signs also, then we have potentially 3 players going to the African Cup.

Not ideal.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: warleyboy on July 24, 2015, 10:46:33 AM

I really hope they have another striker in mind, Rolan looks great who is also being spoken about.
Ayew is apparently on his way for medical.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: simon ward 50 on July 24, 2015, 11:14:15 AM

 :'(The big question is! Any good on FIFA 15?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 24, 2015, 11:17:44 AM

Quote from: dicedlam on July 24, 2015, 10:25:04 AM

Quote from: VillaAlways on July 24, 2015, 09:44:04 AM

Bid of 12 million accepted for striker Jordan Ayew from Lorient according to SSN breaking news

If that's true then I for one am excited to see him come here. If you read around a few sites he is widely regarded as the better of the two brothers.
The only concern I have is if Adebayor signs also, then we have potentially 3 players going to the African Cup.

Not ideal.

I don't think it's on this year, and I don't think Adebayor plays for Togo anymore.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard E on July 24, 2015, 11:19:29 AM

Next African Cup of Nations is in 2017, and we'll have sold each of them to a Sky 4 club at a per head profit of £25 million by then anyway. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 24, 2015, 11:24:12 AM

I thought I'd ask this in here as he is synonymous with deadline day.

Now I know most of us think Jim White is a c**t (this due to the fact he is a c**t, unequivocally) but does anyone actually ... like him? Even just a little bit? I know absolutely no one who likes him in the slightest yet he seems to be Sky's main man so surely some people must like him.

Anyone to stick their head above the parapet? You will not be judged*

*You will be judged

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: FailsworthVillan on July 24, 2015, 11:44:08 AM

Quote from: Richard E on July 24, 2015, 09:51:47 AM

Our objective should be to field an entire XI consisting of French players with the first name Jordan and surnames beginning with the letter A

Must be why Jordan Bowery never made the breakthrough. So close but oh so far.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 24, 2015, 11:46:06 AM

Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 24, 2015, 11:24:12 AM

I thought I'd ask this in here as he is synonymous with deadline day.

Now I know most of us think Jim White is a c**t (this due to the fact he is a c**t, unequivocally) but does anyone actually ... like him? Even just a little bit? I know absolutely no one who likes him in the slightest yet he seems to be Sky's main man so surely some people must like him.

Anyone to stick their head above the parapet? You will not be judged*

*You will be judged

He's there to make the other ****** look not quite so bad in comparison to the ultimate ****** that is Jim "The ******" White

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on July 24, 2015, 11:52:12 AM

Not exactly prolific but can only be an upgrade on the likes of Weimann and Tonev. For all Sherwood's talk about Gil and number tens looks like we will be going with three up top next season. Gabby, Sinclair, Ayew, Gil and Grealish for two positions supporting a new striker.

Would welcome Ashley Young back with open arms but not sure we need further options out wide unless we can shift Gabby. Hope this puts an end to any Andros Townsend rumours.

Disappointed not to see us linked further with Kyle walker, would be ideal for us. Sherwood had him in midfield for a bit at Spurs so may not rate him. Dembele would be ideal for us too as a replacement for Delph.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on July 24, 2015, 11:55:30 AM

I think the likes of Dembele and Adebayor are players we go for on deadline day, where Levy would have to let them go without demanding ridiculous terms. We could certainly use them before then, but would rather not over-extend ourselves for such a privilege.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 24, 2015, 11:58:37 AM

Quote from: brontebilly on July 24, 2015, 11:52:12 AM

Not exactly prolific but can only be an upgrade on the likes of Weimann and Tonev. For all Sherwood's talk about Gil and number tens looks like we will be going with three up top next season. Gabby, Sinclair, Ayew, Gil and Grealish for two positions supporting a new striker.

Would welcome Ashley Young back with open arms but not sure we need further options out wide unless we can shift Gabby. Hope this puts an end to any Andros Townsend rumours.

Disappointed not to see us linked further with Kyle walker, would be ideal for us. Sherwood had him in midfield for a bit at Spurs so may not rate him. Dembele would be ideal for us too as a replacement for Delph.

Swansea play with a number 10 as part of a three man midfield. We have the box-to-box in Gueye and also the 10's sorted in Jack and Gil, its an upgrade on the holding player we need.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 24, 2015, 12:03:37 PM

Would still love Darder for that role. That or a Bid for Alex Song.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villatillidie25 on July 24, 2015, 12:33:57 PM

Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 24, 2015, 11:24:12 AM

I thought I'd ask this in here as he is synonymous with deadline day.

Now I know most of us think Jim White is a c**t (this due to the fact he is a c**t, unequivocally) but does anyone actually ... like him? Even just a little bit? I know absolutely no one who likes him in the slightest yet he seems to be Sky's main man so surely some people must like him.

Anyone to stick their head above the parapet? You will not be judged*

*You will be judged

Head above parapet... Definitely a fan of him. I'm not totally convinced by transfer deadline day and the way he is turned into a bit of a celebrity though. Also, having met him and spent a reasonable amount of time with him, I can also legitimately say that he is a really nice bloke as well so not sure why anyone would dislike him other than for his association with, what most on here seem to think is the Devil incarnate, Sky.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 24, 2015, 12:52:04 PM

Quote from: dicedlam on July 24, 2015, 10:25:04 AM

If you read around a few sites he is widely regarded as the better of the two brothers.

Really? I've always thought his brother, Andre, was considered the better player.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 24, 2015, 12:58:37 PM

Burnley are interested in Baker apparently.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Monty on July 24, 2015, 01:15:25 PM

Quote from: Ads on July 24, 2015, 11:58:37 AM

Quote from: brontebilly on July 24, 2015, 11:52:12 AM

Not exactly prolific but can only be an upgrade on the likes of Weimann and Tonev. For all Sherwood's talk about Gil and number tens looks like we will be going with three up top next season. Gabby, Sinclair, Ayew, Gil and Grealish for two positions supporting a new striker.

Would welcome Ashley Young back with open arms but not sure we need further options out wide unless we can shift Gabby. Hope this puts an end to any Andros Townsend rumours.

Disappointed not to see us linked further with Kyle walker, would be ideal for us. Sherwood had him in midfield for a bit at Spurs so may not rate him. Dembele would be ideal for us too as a replacement for Delph.

Swansea play with a number 10 as part of a three man midfield. We have the box-to-box in Gueye and also the 10's sorted in Jack and Gil, its an upgrade on the holding player we need.

Agreed. If the 10 works hard enough then their physical deficiencies can be more than compensated for by having two midfield partners.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 24, 2015, 01:17:06 PM

Quote from: RussellC on July 24, 2015, 12:03:37 PM

Would still love Darder for that role. That or a Bid for Alex Song.

Darder song you say? It was by Trio.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Proposition Joe on July 24, 2015, 01:18:54 PM

Pat Murphy says West Brom are after Ciaran Clarke. Can anyone see this happening? I think we need to keep hold.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on July 24, 2015, 01:19:59 PM

Quote from: Proposition Joe on July 24, 2015, 01:18:54 PM

Pat Murphy says West Brom are after Ciaran Clarke. Can anyone see this happening? I think we need to keep hold.

Who?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on July 24, 2015, 01:29:33 PM

Quote from: Ads on July 24, 2015, 11:58:37 AM

Quote from: brontebilly on July 24, 2015, 11:52:12 AM

Not exactly prolific but can only be an upgrade on the likes of Weimann and Tonev. For all Sherwood's talk about Gil and number tens looks like we will be going with three up top next season. Gabby, Sinclair, Ayew, Gil and Grealish for two positions supporting a new striker.

Would welcome Ashley Young back with open arms but not sure we need further options out wide unless we can shift Gabby. Hope this puts an end to any Andros Townsend rumours.

Disappointed not to see us linked further with Kyle walker, would be ideal for us. Sherwood had him in midfield for a bit at Spurs so may not rate him. Dembele would be ideal for us too as a replacement for Delph.

Swansea play with a number 10 as part of a three man midfield. We have the box-to-box in Gueye and also the 10's sorted in Jack and Gil, its an upgrade on the holding player we need.

I think Sanchez will be much better this year, he's already shown flashes and with a little time to get used to the pace I think he will be a big influence, right up to the time he decides he's too good for us and fucks off to Southampton or suchlike.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 24, 2015, 02:19:44 PM

Gestede, Ayew and Cambiasso are all better than we have at the moment. Adebayor on loan to would give us 3 forward options that are all more of a goal threat than Gabby. I think Kozak is to risky after 18 months out to expect anything from.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mallo on July 24, 2015, 03:57:23 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 24, 2015, 02:19:44 PM

Gestede, Ayew and Cambiasso are all better than we have at the moment. Adebayor on loan to would give us 3 forward options that are all more of a goal threat than Gabby. I think Kozak is to risky after 18 months out to expect anything from.

I think that's a solid set of players who should see us clear of a relegation battle - we can't expect to attract top notch players yet, so a season of mid-table should open more doors next season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 24, 2015, 05:59:52 PM

Quote from: Villatillidie25 on July 24, 2015, 12:33:57 PM

Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 24, 2015, 11:24:12 AM

I thought I'd ask this in here as he is synonymous with deadline day.

Now I know most of us think Jim White is a c**t (this due to the fact he is a c**t, unequivocally) but does anyone actually ... like him? Even just a little bit? I know absolutely no one who likes him in the slightest yet he seems to be Sky's main man so surely some people must like him.

Anyone to stick their head above the parapet? You will not be judged*

*You will be judged

Head above parapet... Definitely a fan of him. I'm not totally convinced by transfer deadline day and the way he is turned into a bit of a celebrity though. Also, having met him and spent a reasonable amount of time with him, I can also legitimately say that he is a really nice bloke as well so not sure why anyone would dislike him other than for his association with, what most on here seem to think is the Devil incarnate, Sky.

Bold move. You are officially the first person I know of who likes him. As you have met him that puts you in a better position to judge. For me Sky hasn't helped, however I find him incredibly irritating. That wouldn't change no matter where he was.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eamonn on July 24, 2015, 06:11:18 PM

I think Jim does like us, he did the kit launch presentation and would have trousered some Villa shillings for it no doubt.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 24, 2015, 06:30:49 PM

The thing is, there's the guy that he is outside of Sky and then there's the guy that Sky have built him up to be, which he plays into to earn a living. He annoys me on SSN but if you had never watched Sky and met him, you may find he's a good guy. I've not met him so I have no idea.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: The Man With A Stick on July 24, 2015, 06:47:16 PM

Quote from: Proposition Joe on July 24, 2015, 01:18:54 PM

Pat Murphy says West Brom are after Ciaran Clarke. Can anyone see this happening? I think we need to keep hold.

They can go swivel.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ger Regan on July 24, 2015, 06:53:32 PM

Quote from: OCD on July 24, 2015, 06:30:49 PM

The thing is, there's the guy that he is outside of Sky and then there's the guy that Sky have built him up to be, which he plays into to earn a living. He annoys me on SSN but if you had never watched Sky and met him, you may find he's a good guy. I've not met him so I have no idea.

He's more clown than ******.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: CT on July 24, 2015, 07:23:23 PM

Quote from: The Man With A Stick on July 24, 2015, 06:47:16 PM

Quote from: Proposition Joe on July 24, 2015, 01:18:54 PM

Pat Murphy says West Brom are after Ciaran Clarke. Can anyone see this happening? I think we need to keep hold.

They can go swivel.

This. We'd be mad to sell him, especially to them. Hope a new contract is sorted a.s.a.p.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 24, 2015, 07:32:44 PM

Quote from: CT on July 24, 2015, 07:23:23 PM

Quote from: The Man With A Stick on July 24, 2015, 06:47:16 PM

Quote from: Proposition Joe on July 24, 2015, 01:18:54 PM

Pat Murphy says West Brom are after Ciaran Clarke. Can anyone see this happening? I think we need to keep hold.

They can go swivel.

This. We'd be mad to sell him, especially to them. Hope a new contract is sorted a.s.a.p.

West Brom can most certainly sign Ciaran Clarke . We ,however, will keep Ciaran Clark!!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tony Erdington on July 24, 2015, 07:47:56 PM

olbion buy a villa first team player, love it.

keep em coming

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 24, 2015, 08:17:18 PM

Quote from: The Man With A Stick on July 24, 2015, 06:47:16 PM

Quote from: Proposition Joe on July 24, 2015, 01:18:54 PM

Pat Murphy says West Brom are after Ciaran Clarke. Can anyone see this happening? I think we need to keep hold.

They can go swivel.

£28m and they can have him. Cash up front. No f*****g installments .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 24, 2015, 08:32:41 PM

Finally a sense of humour ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 24, 2015, 08:41:23 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 24, 2015, 08:32:41 PM

Finally a sense of humour ;)

I was being serious.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 24, 2015, 09:00:55 PM

If we sign Ayew and also get Adebayor done early next week then that will be 5 first team players signed before August 1st. Sinclair is a squad player.

When was the last time we achieved that so early in a transfer window, certainly not in the MON era and last year signing early mugs like Senderos and Joe Cole dosen't count.

Despite all the doom and gloom we are signing first team players for decent fees so we're not just sleepwalking towards relegation as has seemed the case in previous summer transfer windows.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Louzie0 on July 24, 2015, 09:06:02 PM

Quote from: eamonn on July 24, 2015, 06:11:18 PM

I think Jim does like us, he did the kit launch presentation and would have trousered some Villa shillings for it no doubt.

I like Jim and enjoyed the presentation.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on July 24, 2015, 09:07:56 PM

Ive never heard of any of the players we have bought, its a rare treat not to be able to be disappointed with our signings.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 24, 2015, 09:19:27 PM

I'd be happy with Rudy Gestede if it happens, he's a handful. Better signing than Austin in my opinion

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: gervilla on July 24, 2015, 09:32:17 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on July 24, 2015, 09:07:56 PM

Ive never heard of any of the players we have bought, its a rare treat not to be able to be disappointed with our signings.

Same here.....hopefully a few games into the season the penny won't drop ala Tonev & Luna.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paulcomben on July 24, 2015, 09:35:36 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on July 24, 2015, 09:07:56 PM

Ive never heard of any of the players we have bought, its a rare treat not to be able to be disappointed with our signings.

So, how much expert insight did you offer us in 2012 after the signing of CB?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 24, 2015, 09:38:42 PM

Quote from: TheMalandro on July 24, 2015, 09:19:27 PM

I'd be happy with Rudy Gestede if it happens, he's a handful. Better signing than Austin in my opinion

Hearing Watford & Norwich are both in for him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 24, 2015, 09:55:56 PM

Gestede and Ayew would be a good combination .......

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Grande Pablo on July 24, 2015, 10:51:30 PM

Another vote for Gestede.  Looks at a handful against admittedly Championship defenses, but better than what we had last year, Big Ben excepted, of course.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 24, 2015, 10:55:38 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 24, 2015, 09:38:42 PM

Quote from: TheMalandro on July 24, 2015, 09:19:27 PM

I'd be happy with Rudy Gestede if it happens, he's a handful. Better signing than Austin in my opinion

Hearing Watford & Norwich are both in for him.

Has anybody seen the excellent German film "The Lives of Others"?

If you have, you can apply the same mental image to the above quote.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 24, 2015, 11:20:31 PM

Gestede isn't the most mobile and I found him lazy before at cardiff but since improved .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 24, 2015, 11:22:14 PM

So the Nicko fella thinks we will sign 6 more player. Adebayor, Ayew, another forward, a midfielder, a right back and a keeper. I would swap the keeper for a midfielder, but if true, at least the squad won't be paper thin come the end of August.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 24, 2015, 11:24:18 PM

Gestede would be good but why wouldn't we just go for Jordan Rhodes ?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 24, 2015, 11:26:49 PM

Because Gestede would provide a focal point for the likes of Ayew, Gabby, Sinclair, Gil and Grealish to work around, and Adebayor is useful in a 2 man attack too. Rhodes is not so much a focal point.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 24, 2015, 11:43:12 PM

http://thebaggiesway.com/2015/07/24/albion-make-2-million-bid-for-aston-villa-defender/

What is this load of shit about?!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 24, 2015, 11:43:38 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 24, 2015, 11:24:18 PM

Gestede would be good but why wouldn't we just go for Jordan Rhodes ?

Why not just go for Jermaine Beckford?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on July 24, 2015, 11:45:32 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 24, 2015, 11:24:18 PM

Gestede would be good but why wouldn't we just go for Jordan Rhodes ?

Pal of mine, a Huddersfield ST holder described Rhodes as a poor mans Bent, a finisher who does nowt else.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on July 24, 2015, 11:51:13 PM

Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 24, 2015, 11:43:12 PM

http://thebaggiesway.com/2015/07/24/albion-make-2-million-bid-for-aston-villa-defender/

What is this load of shit about?!

Is that serious shit? Did shit just get serious?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 24, 2015, 11:52:47 PM

Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 24, 2015, 11:43:12 PM

http://thebaggiesway.com/2015/07/24/albion-make-2-million-bid-for-aston-villa-defender/

What is this load of shit about?!

Laughable isn't it? Got to be a wind up. Some sort of black country irony. Tell you what, let's pop in a £6m bid in for Berahino and see how that flies shall we?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: phantom limb on July 24, 2015, 11:58:31 PM

If we sell Clark to the baggies I'll eat my own arse.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 25, 2015, 12:00:34 AM

Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 24, 2015, 11:43:12 PM

http://thebaggiesway.com/2015/07/24/albion-make-2-million-bid-for-aston-villa-defender/

What is this load of shit about?!

I really can't see where this is coming from.  Clark had a breakthrough year last season and I would have thought not only would he be a starter this season, but a credible candidate to be captain. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 25, 2015, 12:02:19 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 24, 2015, 11:26:49 PM

Because Gestede would provide a focal point for the likes of Ayew, Gabby, Sinclair, Gil and Grealish to work around, and Adebayor is useful in a 2 man attack too. Rhodes is not so much a focal point.

Yeah, i saw that link earlier to Gestede and liked the sound of it. Another one with promise. As long as we don't have to pay too much its definately worth a punt.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: wozwebs on July 25, 2015, 12:02:46 AM

Alan Nixon (Journalist with the Sun - @reluctantnicko) is the one to follow on Twitter, says we are after Keeper, Right back, Midfielder and 3 strikers. Ayew and Adebayor 2 of them, Holgate the RB (says went to United on trial but not happening).

Oulare on the radar but need to get seniors in first and if there is enough money left then its a possibility.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 25, 2015, 12:03:21 AM

Wasn't that the same lot who said theywere being sold to the richest man in China on the back of a Neil Moxley story that mentioned them being up for sale and his company buying into Athletico Madrid?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 25, 2015, 12:09:35 AM

Would prefer if we put Richards at RB and aimed for a CB instead. Another midfielder instead of a goalkeeper too. Would be really pleased if we got 6 more in!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 25, 2015, 12:13:49 AM

Quote from: wozwebs on July 25, 2015, 12:02:46 AM

Alan Nixon (Journalist with the Sun - @reluctantnicko) is the one to follow on Twitter, says we are after Keeper, Right back, Midfielder and 3 strikers. Ayew and Adebayor 2 of them, Holgate the RB (says went to United on trial but not happening).

Oulare on the radar but need to get seniors in first and if there is enough money left then its a possibility.

I would have thought 2 new strikers would be enough, and not totally sure we need a keeper. Would prefer a centre back, and maybe some sort of utility player that can cover several defencive positions, along with the RB, CM and 2 strikers. I still think we're really low on quality from a defensive point of view.
I'm not sure we had one defender that was consistantly good all season, and some were awful throughout.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 25, 2015, 12:14:41 AM

Tell you what, give us 5m and Berahino and he is yours.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 25, 2015, 12:17:54 AM

Quote from: wozwebs on July 25, 2015, 12:02:46 AM

Alan Nixon (Journalist with the Sun - @reluctantnicko) is the one to follow on Twitter

Why is he "the one to follow"? He's got a history going back many years of knowing absolutely nothing.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 25, 2015, 12:18:34 AM

Quote from: cheltenhamlion on July 25, 2015, 12:14:41 AM

Tell you what, give us 5m and Berahino and he is yours.

Not sure i'd want him, tidy player but appears to have an attitude problem. Even though i'm not a massive Clark fan, i'd still like him here for another season to see if he can improve further.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 25, 2015, 12:23:08 AM

I'm sure I read somewhere today that we are linked with an £8m move for James Chester from Hull City Tigers. Not sure where though. Oh, and Baker to Burnley?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: adrenachrome on July 25, 2015, 12:30:26 AM

As well as the Clark to WBA rumour, we now have Baker to Burnley. I suppose it makes sense to look at young central defenders who have proved themselves in the PL and who might not be automatic first picks. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on July 25, 2015, 12:58:03 AM

If Clark stays fit then I'd expect him to be a permanent fixture in the team from now on...he's got the grit, determination, aggression and he's not afraid to get stuck in. Clark and Okore were arguably the best pairing we had at the back last season, and he should be nailed on for being next Villa captain.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 25, 2015, 01:19:42 AM

If we were to sign 6, there either has to be a number of player sales because of the 25-man squad system or some of them would be for the future. Holgate would probably fall into the latter but if he's good enough his age would mean he wouldn't count in the 25-man squad.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eamonn on July 25, 2015, 02:09:04 AM

Rhodes has spat his dummy out today about not being let speak to Middlesbrough. I can't imagine Blackburn will let both him and Gestede go in the same window.
As for Clark, he's got one year left on his contract so be should be the next defender we sign-up.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on July 25, 2015, 02:59:50 AM

Blackburn have said he can leave to a PL for £10m. The issue is they don't want to sell to another competing Championship club.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 25, 2015, 04:14:03 AM

Is Rhodes any good? Serious question, I haven't really followed him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard E on July 25, 2015, 06:46:21 AM

Quote from: phantom limb on July 24, 2015, 11:58:31 PM

If we sell Clark to the baggies I'll eat my own arse.

Baggie Bill expects him to sign a new contract at Villa and says the Baggies are looking at other targets.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 25, 2015, 07:35:55 AM

good, think Baker may go though

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on July 25, 2015, 07:40:51 AM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on July 25, 2015, 04:14:03 AM

Is Rhodes any good? Serious question, I haven't really followed him.

May be not but his first name is Jordan?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 25, 2015, 07:46:05 AM

I doubt it.We are short on centre half cover.I don't think Sherwood rates Okore and Richards may not be up to the job although he will be fine at right back.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on July 25, 2015, 07:50:17 AM

£2m for Clark? I'd want more than that as a deposit, the cheeky sods.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 25, 2015, 08:01:41 AM

Morning everyone! l would like to read that we have put a bid in for either Rudy Gestede or
Breel Embolo.I expect I will be disappointed though.We appear to be  buying 'a character' which is exactly what we need in our situation.. Still the kids will think he's ace or whatever word they use these days.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on July 25, 2015, 08:44:29 AM

I can't see Sherwood letting either Clark or Baker go unless there are some crazy offers.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: FrankyH on July 25, 2015, 08:56:46 AM

Quote from: KRS on July 25, 2015, 12:58:03 AM

If Clark stays fit then I'd expect him to be a permanent fixture in the team from now on...he's got the grit, determination, aggression and he's not afraid to get stuck in. Clark and Okore were arguably the best pairing we had at the back last season, and he should be nailed on for being next Villa captain.

I voted Clark for player of the season.There was a spell during the season when I thought he was the first name on the team sheet, if he hadn't of got injured I think he would have won it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: andyh on July 25, 2015, 09:07:49 AM

The thing about Clark is this?
Why the fuck is there even any sort of chit chat that he may possibly, remotely or maybe, be available for transfer?

He should be locked into a contract with a ridiculously high release clause that would frighten Real Madrid off, let alone the fucking Tesco's.

Fuck off west brom!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 25, 2015, 09:14:26 AM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on July 25, 2015, 04:14:03 AM

Is Rhodes any good? Serious question, I haven't really followed him.

He certainly seems to know where the back of the net is.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Proposition Joe on July 25, 2015, 09:22:49 AM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 24, 2015, 07:32:44 PM

Quote from: CT on July 24, 2015, 07:23:23 PM

Quote from: The Man With A Stick on July 24, 2015, 06:47:16 PM

Quote from: Proposition Joe on July 24, 2015, 01:18:54 PM

Pat Murphy says West Brom are after Ciaran Clarke. Can anyone see this happening? I think we need to keep hold.

They can go swivel.

This. We'd be mad to sell him, especially to them. Hope a new contract is sorted a.s.a.p.

West Brom can most certainly sign Ciaran Clarke . We ,however, will keep Ciaran Clark!!

Oi, firstly, as anyone from the 90s knows, e's are good so Clark won't mind if I give him an extra one, and secondly, if I had a quid for each time one of you spelt Weimann  as Wiemann I'd be buying Randy out myself ;-)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 25, 2015, 09:38:06 AM

'Ello, 'Ello, latest French player to be linked Lens Central Defender Loick Landre. 20m euros.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dicedlam on July 25, 2015, 09:38:56 AM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 25, 2015, 08:01:41 AM

We appear to be  buying 'a character' which is exactly what we need in our situation.. Still the kids will think he's ace or whatever word they use these days.

'He's Sick Man' ....please do stay up with it Ron.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Virgil Caine on July 25, 2015, 09:47:34 AM

Quote from: dicedlam on July 25, 2015, 09:38:56 AM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 25, 2015, 08:01:41 AM

We appear to be  buying 'a character' which is exactly what we need in our situation.. Still the kids will think he's ace or whatever word they use these days.

'He's Sick Man' ....please do stay up with it Ron.

I think you'll find the phrase is 'He's well sick' which in our day would have meant he had a rather dicky tummy

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 25, 2015, 09:51:06 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 25, 2015, 09:38:06 AM

'Ello, 'Ello, latest French player to be linked Lens Central Defender Loick Landre. 20m euros.

Glad to hear that we are seemingly in the market for a CB. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dicedlam on July 25, 2015, 10:08:23 AM

Quote from: My left Foot on July 25, 2015, 09:47:34 AM

Quote from: dicedlam on July 25, 2015, 09:38:56 AM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 25, 2015, 08:01:41 AM

We appear to be  buying 'a character' which is exactly what we need in our situation.. Still the kids will think he's ace or whatever word they use these days.

'He's Sick Man' ....please do stay up with it Ron.

I think you'll find the phrase is 'He's well sick' which in our day would have meant he had a rather dicky tummy

Aye,
I just cant fathom out the connection between the two. I've never felt good whilst throwing up?

Kids eh.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 25, 2015, 10:08:39 AM

Quote from: dicedlam on July 25, 2015, 09:38:56 AM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 25, 2015, 08:01:41 AM

We appear to be  buying 'a character' which is exactly what we need in our situation.. Still the kids will think he's ace or whatever word they use these days.

'He's Sick Man' ....please do stay up with it Ron.

Da Kidz will get 'feels' off him. Sounds dodge but that's the vernacular.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 25, 2015, 10:20:55 AM

Quote from: Proposition Joe on July 25, 2015, 09:22:49 AM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 24, 2015, 07:32:44 PM

Quote from: CT on July 24, 2015, 07:23:23 PM

Quote from: The Man With A Stick on July 24, 2015, 06:47:16 PM

Quote from: Proposition Joe on July 24, 2015, 01:18:54 PM

Pat Murphy says West Brom are after Ciaran Clarke. Can anyone see this happening? I think we need to keep hold.

They can go swivel.

This. We'd be mad to sell him, especially to them. Hope a new contract is sorted a.s.a.p.

West Brom can most certainly sign Ciaran Clarke . We ,however, will keep Ciaran Clark!!

Oi, firstly, as anyone from the 90s knows, e's are good so Clark won't mind if I give him an extra one, and secondly, if I had a quid for each time one of you spelt Weimann  as Wiemann I'd be buying Randy out myself ;-)

I don't think people on tablets helps when putting names in , when I put andi's name in it comes up Weisman

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 25, 2015, 10:25:12 AM

Quote from: tomd2103 on July 25, 2015, 09:51:06 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 25, 2015, 09:38:06 AM

'Ello, 'Ello, latest French player to be linked Lens Central Defender Loick Landre. 20m euros.

Glad to hear that we are seemingly in the market for a CB. 

Can play rb too but that looks a ridiculous amount for him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve R on July 25, 2015, 10:27:38 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 25, 2015, 09:38:06 AM

'Ello, 'Ello, latest French player to be linked Lens Central Defender Loick Landre. 20m euros.

Another player pronounced with a local accent. Excellent.

I can believe Baker is on his way out, having appeared with Tim's Bombers against Forest Green. It would be an odd one if Clark has got the dead eye too though, but not impossible. Bids rarely arrive out of the blue. Usually there's been a bit of chit chat somewhere to establish that a deal could be done.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 25, 2015, 10:30:30 AM

I am on tablets ( we wrinklies call them Gary Abletts) and I can spell Andraes Wiemann perfectly well thank you.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 25, 2015, 10:35:00 AM

Baker and Clark can go for me, if the price is right. Okore and Senderos as back up to Richards and a new, commanding centre back. Clark for £5m. He improved last season but is he a top half defender? Villa should leave him behind when they get there. He's also too small and not positionally good enough. IMO of course. Baker has potential but is also a lower half/ upper championship player.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JD on July 25, 2015, 10:37:29 AM

Quote from: Newby on July 25, 2015, 10:35:00 AM

Baker and Clark can go for me, if the price is right. Okore and Senderos as back up to Richards and a new, commanding centre back. Clark for £5m. He improved last season but is he a top half defender? Villa should leave him behind when they get there. He's also too small and not positionally good enough. IMO of course. Baker has potential but is also a lower half/ upper championship player.

Disagree about Clark. I think he is becoming a top defender and will be a great asset for Villa. We need to sign him up on a new contract.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 25, 2015, 10:38:27 AM

Quote from: Steve Rose on July 25, 2015, 10:27:38 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 25, 2015, 09:38:06 AM

'Ello, 'Ello, latest French player to be linked Lens Central Defender Loick Landre. 20m euros.

Another player pronounced with a local accent. Excellent.

I can believe Baker is on his way out, having appeared with Tim's Bombers against Forest Green. It would be an odd one if Clark has got the dead eye too though, but not impossible. Bids rarely arrive out of the blue. Usually there's been a bit of chit chat somewhere to establish that a deal could be done.

That's my feeling too Steve.

The West Brom link feels like they've had some encouragement from either us or the player.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve kirk on July 25, 2015, 10:43:37 AM

Our Ciaran is the real deal but unsure about the others, hope Tim will strengthen central defence, its been a problem area for too long, getting the defence sorted is amost as important as replacing the beast

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris Smith on July 25, 2015, 11:00:18 AM

Quote from: LeeB on July 25, 2015, 10:38:27 AM

Quote from: Steve Rose on July 25, 2015, 10:27:38 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 25, 2015, 09:38:06 AM

'Ello, 'Ello, latest French player to be linked Lens Central Defender Loick Landre. 20m euros.

Another player pronounced with a local accent. Excellent.

I can believe Baker is on his way out, having appeared with Tim's Bombers against Forest Green. It would be an odd one if Clark has got the dead eye too though, but not impossible. Bids rarely arrive out of the blue. Usually there's been a bit of chit chat somewhere to establish that a deal could be done.

That's my feeling too Steve.

The West Brom link feels like they've had some encouragement from either us or the player.

Maybe, or maybe they are just chancing their arm, thinking that with the signing of Richards we might be looking to move one of the others on. Whichever it is I am glad we turned them down.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 25, 2015, 11:11:01 AM

Tim rates Senderos the least of all the CBs, Richards IMO won't be good enough in that position and will be moved to RB at some point of this season and Okore is knackered until September.

I'd be amazed if Clark or Baker leave.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 25, 2015, 11:18:26 AM

Baker looked very good the other day. It will be a tough call who plays as the left sided centre back.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris Smith on July 25, 2015, 11:22:13 AM

Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on July 25, 2015, 11:18:26 AM

Baker looked very good the other day. It will be a tough call who plays as the left sided centre back.

If we have learned anything from the last few seasons it is that injuries and suspensions mean that none of them stay available for more than a couple of months at a time. They will all get games.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve R on July 25, 2015, 11:34:49 AM

Quote from: Chris Smith on July 25, 2015, 11:22:13 AM

Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on July 25, 2015, 11:18:26 AM

Baker looked very good the other day. It will be a tough call who plays as the left sided centre back.

If we have learned anything from the last few seasons it is that injuries and suspensions mean that none of them stay available for more than a couple of months at a time. They will all get games.

Very true. And that could be the perceived problem. We have perfectly good centre backs but they are never available for long enough. It's an outfield position where most teams seem to make fewest changes. Do Chelsea even have a specialist 4th centre back? We had 5 last season yet at times were unable to name one on the bench.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 25, 2015, 11:36:20 AM

Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on July 25, 2015, 11:18:26 AM

Baker looked very good the other day. It will be a tough call who plays as the left sided centre back.

Against Forest Green? 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 25, 2015, 11:38:00 AM

Quote from: Steve Rose on July 25, 2015, 10:27:38 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 25, 2015, 09:38:06 AM

'Ello, 'Ello, latest French player to be linked Lens Central Defender Loick Landre. 20m euros.

Another player pronounced with a local accent. Excellent.

I can believe Baker is on his way out, having appeared with Tim's Bombers against Forest Green. It would be an odd one if Clark has got the dead eye too though, but not impossible. Bids rarely arrive out of the blue. Usually there's been a bit of chit chat somewhere to establish that a deal could be done.

Clark's in the last year of his contract isn't he?  Agent angling for a new deal by encouraging interest from another team?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 25, 2015, 12:19:37 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on July 25, 2015, 11:38:00 AM

Quote from: Steve Rose on July 25, 2015, 10:27:38 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 25, 2015, 09:38:06 AM

'Ello, 'Ello, latest French player to be linked Lens Central Defender Loick Landre. 20m euros.

Another player pronounced with a local accent. Excellent.

I can believe Baker is on his way out, having appeared with Tim's Bombers against Forest Green. It would be an odd one if Clark has got the dead eye too though, but not impossible. Bids rarely arrive out of the blue. Usually there's been a bit of chit chat somewhere to establish that a deal could be done.

Clark's in the last year of his contract isn't he?  Agent angling for a new deal by encouraging interest from another team?

Maybe we should let him go. If we have another already coming in, he's been replaced. Perhaps by better, most probably by cheaper.
Should we give him a new (TV money-sized) deal?
Could he command loads more elsewhere? No.
Could he get a bit more elsewhere? Probably.
Maybe he'll turn out to be good enough for the level we want to be at, maybe he's only good enough for slightly higher than where we are. Delph, Benteke, we'll survive and, I hope, improve. Clark going? I think we'll get over it. As much as I wanted him to be, he's no Cahill.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve R on July 25, 2015, 12:21:45 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on July 25, 2015, 11:38:00 AM

Quote from: Steve Rose on July 25, 2015, 10:27:38 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 25, 2015, 09:38:06 AM

'Ello, 'Ello, latest French player to be linked Lens Central Defender Loick Landre. 20m euros.

Another player pronounced with a local accent. Excellent.

I can believe Baker is on his way out, having appeared with Tim's Bombers against Forest Green. It would be an odd one if Clark has got the dead eye too though, but not impossible. Bids rarely arrive out of the blue. Usually there's been a bit of chit chat somewhere to establish that a deal could be done.

Clark's in the last year of his contract isn't he?  Agent angling for a new deal by encouraging interest from another team?

That's probably the most likely explanation. Although it's a todd up as to which way the conversation is going.

Clark : 'It's 50k a week or I go and play for Pulis'
Fox : 'Fck me, I'm really scared'

or

Fox : '20k a week tops or you're off down the road to Smethick'
Clark : 'Have you got a pen?'

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on July 25, 2015, 01:14:02 PM

I have always thought you needed balance across the back four.  You play a right-footer on the right and a left-footer on the left.  Richards and Okore are right, Clark and Baker are left, with Senderos having played most on the left.  Left footed central defenders are harder to come by than right sided players.  Unless they are very good with the ball on the ground, it is very difficult to play on their 'wrong' side.

The only thing I have seen in Baker is as a 'stopper' and at PL level, this makes him very limited, whereas I see more in Clark.  I would be inclined to offer Clark another contract now as we could get him to sign up for a reasonable amount and I would let Baker go out on a season loan to one of the better Championship clubs to see if he can improve over the season.

I would still like to see a commanding central defender come in.  I would also like to see Richards and Okore being given time at RB to see if we can strengthen that side of the defence up to counter the attacking emphasis of the new LB and giving more protection behind, say, Gil on the right.  For CB's both Richards and Okore are quite quick and reasonable ball players so it is not unrealistic for either to play RB.

£2m for Clark is an insult and if he did go, I believe he should be valued at around £6-7m.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 25, 2015, 02:26:01 PM

Good post OMVF I agree with all of your views except I believe Richards is a right back and not a centre half as we shall find out as the season progresses.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on July 25, 2015, 02:38:59 PM

with Landre and Richards in the back we'd form our own rendition of the bash brothers. Those two are built like refrigerators.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 25, 2015, 04:31:03 PM

Agreed villadelph but in epic bash bros combos you need one who wears glasses and he's the hardest of the lot.   See Slap Shot, best sports movie of all time.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 25, 2015, 05:26:03 PM

SSN reporting we have done a £12m deal for Ayew .........

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on July 25, 2015, 05:35:50 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 25, 2015, 05:26:03 PM

SSN reporting we have done a £12m deal for Ayew .........

I hope he's worth it!

So we just need another striker, a couple of midfielders, a central defender, and possibly a right back and a keeper.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on July 25, 2015, 05:36:38 PM

Good. He is not a lamb.....

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on July 25, 2015, 05:40:05 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 25, 2015, 05:26:03 PM

SSN reporting we have done a £12m deal for Ayew .........

Looks pricey. The Benteke factor?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 25, 2015, 05:40:36 PM

Vive la France
Vive la revolution

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 25, 2015, 05:41:24 PM

Quote from: Mister E on July 25, 2015, 05:40:05 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 25, 2015, 05:26:03 PM

SSN reporting we have done a £12m deal for Ayew .........

Looks pricey. The Benteke factor?

Yep. We will bled now as we've done our business the wrong way around .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 25, 2015, 05:46:10 PM

I think that's just their erroneous report from yday.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: manic-road on July 25, 2015, 06:11:10 PM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 25, 2015, 11:11:01 AM

Tim rates Senderos the least of all the CBs, Richards IMO won't be good enough in that position and will be moved to RB at some point of this season and Okore is knackered until September.

I'd be amazed if Clark or Baker leave.

Has Tim actually said publicly that he rates Sendoros the least or do you have inside knowledge?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: phantom limb on July 25, 2015, 06:15:05 PM

Does Senderos actually still exist?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 25, 2015, 06:51:20 PM

Quote from: phantom limb on July 25, 2015, 06:15:05 PM

Does Senderos actually still exist?

Yes, but only in the 4th dimension.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2015, 08:38:37 PM

Quote from: phantom limb on July 25, 2015, 06:15:05 PM

Does Senderos actually still exist?

He played vs Braga so I'll go with yes.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 25, 2015, 09:02:05 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 25, 2015, 05:41:24 PM

Quote from: Mister E on July 25, 2015, 05:40:05 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 25, 2015, 05:26:03 PM

SSN reporting we have done a £12m deal for Ayew .........

Looks pricey. The Benteke factor?

Yep. We will bled now as we've done our business the wrong way around .

It's been obvious he was off for ages.
Even the Mbya-Yuqui knew the fee was going to be £32.5M 2 months ago.

How has his transfer being completed ahead of his replacement messed it up for us?
Enquire about a striker before he goes = selling club know he's going and for how much.

Enquire about a striker after he's gone = selling club know he's gone and for how much.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2015, 09:06:51 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 25, 2015, 05:41:24 PM

Quote from: Mister E on July 25, 2015, 05:40:05 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 25, 2015, 05:26:03 PM

SSN reporting we have done a £12m deal for Ayew .........

Looks pricey. The Benteke factor?

Yep. We will bled now as we've done our business the wrong way around .

What a load of bollocks. Do you not think clubs know how much money is in the PL and how much the TV deal is worth? We are paying somewhere in between what we think he is worth and what they think he is worth. That's the way it works. Do Villa ever do business the right way around in your eyes?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 25, 2015, 09:13:37 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2015, 09:06:51 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 25, 2015, 05:41:24 PM

Quote from: Mister E on July 25, 2015, 05:40:05 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 25, 2015, 05:26:03 PM

SSN reporting we have done a £12m deal for Ayew .........

Looks pricey. The Benteke factor?

Yep. We will bled now as we've done our business the wrong way around .

What a load of bollocks. Do you not think clubs know how much money is in the PL and how much the TV deal is worth? We are paying somewhere in between what we think he is worth and what they think he is worth. That's the way it works. Do Villa ever do business the right way around in your eyes?

You do spout some bollocks mate.  ;)
It's clear we are being taken here.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 25, 2015, 09:24:30 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 25, 2015, 09:13:37 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2015, 09:06:51 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 25, 2015, 05:41:24 PM

Quote from: Mister E on July 25, 2015, 05:40:05 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 25, 2015, 05:26:03 PM

SSN reporting we have done a £12m deal for Ayew .........

Looks pricey. The Benteke factor?

Yep. We will bled now as we've done our business the wrong way around .

What a load of bollocks. Do you not think clubs know how much money is in the PL and how much the TV deal is worth? We are paying somewhere in between what we think he is worth and what they think he is worth. That's the way it works. Do Villa ever do business the right way around in your eyes?

You do spout some bollocks mate.  ;)
It's clear we are being taken here.

You wanted the deal done earlier on. Why don't stop fucking moaning for a change. You're starting to bore.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 25, 2015, 10:43:00 PM

Quote from: Clampy on July 25, 2015, 09:24:30 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 25, 2015, 09:13:37 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2015, 09:06:51 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 25, 2015, 05:41:24 PM

Quote from: Mister E on July 25, 2015, 05:40:05 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 25, 2015, 05:26:03 PM

SSN reporting we have done a £12m deal for Ayew .........

Looks pricey. The Benteke factor?

Yep. We will bled now as we've done our business the wrong way around .

What a load of bollocks. Do you not think clubs know how much money is in the PL and how much the TV deal is worth? We are paying somewhere in between what we think he is worth and what they think he is worth. That's the way it works. Do Villa ever do business the right way around in your eyes?

You do spout some bollocks mate.  ;)
It's clear we are being taken here.

You wanted the deal done earlier on. Why don't stop fucking moaning for a change. You're starting to bore.

Why don't you cut out the threatening expletives and constant berating and follow an educated and reasoned debate ?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 25, 2015, 10:44:40 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 25, 2015, 10:43:00 PM

Quote from: Clampy on July 25, 2015, 09:24:30 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 25, 2015, 09:13:37 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2015, 09:06:51 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 25, 2015, 05:41:24 PM

Quote from: Mister E on July 25, 2015, 05:40:05 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 25, 2015, 05:26:03 PM

SSN reporting we have done a £12m deal for Ayew .........

Looks pricey. The Benteke factor?

Yep. We will bled now as we've done our business the wrong way around .

What a load of bollocks. Do you not think clubs know how much money is in the PL and how much the TV deal is worth? We are paying somewhere in between what we think he is worth and what they think he is worth. That's the way it works. Do Villa ever do business the right way around in your eyes?

You do spout some bollocks mate.  ;)
It's clear we are being taken here.

You wanted the deal done earlier on. Why don't stop fucking moaning for a change. You're starting to bore.

Why don't you cut out the threatening expletives and constant berating and follow an educated and reasoned debate ?

Please, won't somebody think of the children?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 25, 2015, 11:23:17 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 25, 2015, 10:43:00 PM

Quote from: Clampy on July 25, 2015, 09:24:30 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 25, 2015, 09:13:37 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2015, 09:06:51 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 25, 2015, 05:41:24 PM

Quote from: Mister E on July 25, 2015, 05:40:05 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 25, 2015, 05:26:03 PM

SSN reporting we have done a £12m deal for Ayew .........

Looks pricey. The Benteke factor?

Yep. We will bled now as we've done our business the wrong way around .

What a load of bollocks. Do you not think clubs know how much money is in the PL and how much the TV deal is worth? We are paying somewhere in between what we think he is worth and what they think he is worth. That's the way it works. Do Villa ever do business the right way around in your eyes?

You do spout some bollocks mate.  ;)
It's clear we are being taken here.

You wanted the deal done earlier on. Why don't stop fucking moaning for a change. You're starting to bore.

Why don't you cut out the threatening expletives and constant berating and follow an educated and reasoned debate ?

Great we've after somebody.

Ooh he's got baggage, maybe its's as well we miss out..

Great we've signed him.

Ooh, we're being bled dry

Educated aad reasoned debate you say? Hmm.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2015, 11:47:16 PM

He finds a negative spin to every single topic. We could win by 3 and we won't have won by 4. We could sign Bale and we should have signed Ronaldo. Everything is utterly gash. It's just so boring, repetitive and constantly miserable. Reasoned debate? What a joke.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 25, 2015, 11:51:32 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2015, 08:38:37 PM

Quote from: phantom limb on July 25, 2015, 06:15:05 PM

Does Senderos actually still exist?

He played vs Braga so I'll go with yes.

You sure about that?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2015, 11:59:39 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 25, 2015, 11:51:32 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2015, 08:38:37 PM

Quote from: phantom limb on July 25, 2015, 06:15:05 PM

Does Senderos actually still exist?

He played vs Braga so I'll go with yes.

You sure about that?

Or was it Fulham? He played in one of those games.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Karlos96 on July 26, 2015, 12:07:44 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2015, 11:59:39 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 25, 2015, 11:51:32 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2015, 08:38:37 PM

Quote from: phantom limb on July 25, 2015, 06:15:05 PM

Does Senderos actually still exist?

He played vs Braga so I'll go with yes.

You sure about that?

Or was it Fulham? He played in one of those games.

He played the second half against Fulham.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 26, 2015, 12:37:39 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 25, 2015, 10:43:00 PM

Why don't you cut out the threatening expletives and constant berating and follow an educated and reasoned debate ?

In the nicest possible way, you wouldn't know an educated debate if it painted itself purple and danced naked on top of a harpsichord singing "educated debates are here again".

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 26, 2015, 01:04:06 AM

Quote from: Dave on July 26, 2015, 12:37:39 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 25, 2015, 10:43:00 PM

Why don't you cut out the threatening expletives and constant berating and follow an educated and reasoned debate ?

In the nicest possible way, you wouldn't know an educated debate if it painted itself purple and danced naked on top of a harpsichord singing "educated debates are here again".

This is the thing, it's only possible to have an educated debate if there's a chance that at some point both sides will accept the value of the other sides argument.  When one side of an argument is to go out of their way to make everything sound as shit as possible it's really difficult to see any value in that.  You could be right but who wants to be right when doing so means you're going to be even more miserable?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on July 26, 2015, 03:48:27 AM

Educated=whatever has been said/read/heard somewhere anywhere in the last 10 mins.
Reasoned=whatever I think is correct and likely to inflame fellow Villains.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve R on July 26, 2015, 04:41:48 AM

Getting back on point, if Sherwood does want an upgrade at centre back, at least one of the present incumbents will have to go. Maybe Baker would get his name on the bullet ahead of Senderos simply because he'd be easier (as in not impossible) to actually sell.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 26, 2015, 05:29:02 AM

The French Connection continues . Today we are linked with Stade Rennais forward Paul Georges Ntep for £10m. Popeye Doyle next up.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on July 26, 2015, 08:12:26 AM

Quote from: Steve Rose on July 26, 2015, 04:41:48 AM

Getting back on point, if Sherwood does want an upgrade at centre back, at least one of the present incumbents will have to go. Maybe Baker would get his name on the bullet ahead of Senderos simply because he'd be easier (as in not impossible) to actually sell.

It would be a shame if Baker was sold, he was just starting to prove a lot of doubters (me included) wrong when the season-ending injury hit. I think he's valuable when fit, but, sadly, he never really is.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 26, 2015, 08:23:53 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 26, 2015, 05:29:02 AM

The French Connection continues . Today we are linked with Stade Rennais forward Paul Georges Ntep for £10m. Popeye Doyle next up.

Come on mate, don't be coy, send us the newsroom article link for Popeye Doyle? Is he a midfield destroyer by any chance? 😉

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 26, 2015, 08:29:02 AM

Sorry Mr U but Popeye Doyle is unavailable.  Picking his feet in Poughkeepsie apparently.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 26, 2015, 09:43:03 AM

Biggest issue with Baker is as soon as he has a run of form his glass legs fail him. It's a shame as I think he was one of the most improved player last season. He is a big guy and the pressure on the body with blocks and tackles certainly takes its toll on CH players.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 26, 2015, 09:50:35 AM

Looks like Popeye might be coming along with Alain Charnier; no Utube footage but told they are pair of Charlies.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 26, 2015, 10:15:37 AM

Quote from: Hookeysmith on July 26, 2015, 09:43:03 AM

Biggest issue with Baker is as soon as he has a run of form his glass legs fail him. It's a shame as I think he was one of the most improved player last season. He is a big guy and the pressure on the body with blocks and tackles certainly takes its toll on CH players.

Agree. I feel sorry for him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Damo70 on July 26, 2015, 10:17:38 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 26, 2015, 05:29:02 AM

The French Connection continues . Today we are linked with Stade Rennais forward Paul Georges Ntep for £10m. Popeye Doyle next up.

Maybe we could come up with a song for him to the tune of Hanson's Mmmbop.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 26, 2015, 10:19:01 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 26, 2015, 10:15:37 AM

Quote from: Hookeysmith on July 26, 2015, 09:43:03 AM

Biggest issue with Baker is as soon as he has a run of form his glass legs fail him. It's a shame as I think he was one of the most improved player last season. He is a big guy and the pressure on the body with blocks and tackles certainly takes its toll on CH players.

Agree. I feel sorry for him.

Me too but if he's picking up injuries like this at his age i's just going to get worse as he gets older.  I've got nothing against him but he'd be the first one I'd look to move on (followed by Senderos, I'd keep the other 3) because in defence you need some consistency in selection and I don't think we'll ever be able to confidently predict him last 20-25 games on the bounce.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 26, 2015, 10:27:13 AM

That's why I feel sorry for him ^^^

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 26, 2015, 10:36:39 AM

I suppose if somebody's offering money for Baker it would make some sense to move him on and keep Senderos for another season, who's going to be much harder to shift.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: jwarry on July 26, 2015, 10:39:19 AM

Ntep looks useful.  A forward line of Ntep, Ayew and a centre forward might just make this season exciting

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 26, 2015, 11:11:46 AM

Quote from: jwarry on July 26, 2015, 10:39:19 AM

Ntep looks useful.  A forward line of Ntep, Ayew and a centre forward might just make this season exciting

Yep - I appreciate I'm basing this on a YouTube compilation but he does indeed. Would certainly represent better value than Townsend if true, although according to various French journalists on Twitter he's injured until October and reluctant to leave before the Euros as he's just broken into the French squad.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 26, 2015, 12:05:00 PM

What's very useful about Baker is that he's a solid left sided CB. And those are hard to find at PL level. We've all seen how even a seasoned professional like Vlaar is essentially a far inferior player when he was asked to play that side of the pairing. His injuries are certainly very unfortunate because he came on leaps and bounds last season. It's why we might perservere with him and why I think there is no chance Clark would be sold. A better, more assured and slightly healthier version of Baker.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: myf on July 26, 2015, 12:08:24 PM

I'd like some tested premiership players, at least a striker. After our finish last season it was clear we needed to bring in several quality players. In the meantime we've lost our two best players and brought in 3 untested and expensive ones. 

Still a fortnight to go but we should have done our business much earlier given our weak position. It was obvious benteke was off.

The squad is weak and injury prone. What we've done so far doesn't fill me with any confidence

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 26, 2015, 12:10:48 PM

I think another centre half is a must this summer. The thought of going into next season relying on Clark, Okore (who is already injured) Senderos and Baker makes me shudder.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 26, 2015, 12:12:46 PM

Richards is playing centre-half.

We have five centre-halves which is enough.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 26, 2015, 12:14:56 PM

Quote from: myf on July 26, 2015, 12:08:24 PM

I'd like some tested premiership players, at least a striker. After our finish last season it was clear we needed to bring in several quality players. In the meantime we've lost our two best players and brought in 3 untested and expensive ones. 

Still a fortnight to go but we should have done our business much earlier given our weak position. It was obvious benteke was off.

The squad is weak and injury prone. What we've done so far doesn't fill me with any confidence

You say we should have done our business earlier, but it's not even the end of July and we've brought in 5 players, 6 including the likely arrival of Ayew, with the probability of a few more and the transfer window doesn't shut for another month.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 26, 2015, 12:32:57 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 26, 2015, 12:12:46 PM

Richards is playing centre-half.

We have five centre-halves which is enough.

Yes, the injury prone Richards. Besides the other players I mentioned hardly fill me with confidence what with their ongoing habit of screwing up on the pitch.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve R on July 26, 2015, 12:42:21 PM

Any bets on which geographical feature O'Reilly will finally manage to cross first? The English Channel, The Ardennes, The Rhine, The Alps or the Pyrenees?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on July 26, 2015, 12:51:20 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 26, 2015, 12:32:57 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 26, 2015, 12:12:46 PM

Richards is playing centre-half.

We have five centre-halves which is enough.

Yes, the injury prone Richards. Besides the other players I mentioned hardly fill me with confidence what with their ongoing habit of screwing up on the pitch.

Richards doesnt convince me at centre half. I think he would be excellent at right back, therefore I would like to see us sign another centre half.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on July 26, 2015, 01:05:38 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 26, 2015, 12:12:46 PM

Richards is playing centre-half.

We have five centre-halves which is enough.

Five centre halves...George Curtis shrugs his massive shoulders and walks away in disbelief!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 26, 2015, 01:28:54 PM

Every club would like to business early but very few can do it because players and agents like to weigh up their options. And especially clubs in our position coming off near disaster seasons.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 26, 2015, 02:06:35 PM

Liverpool have kindly offered us Borini as a consolation prize according to the Express.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: steamer on July 26, 2015, 02:12:47 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 26, 2015, 02:06:35 PM

Liverpool have kindly offered us Borini as a consolation prize according to the Express.

Fuck them and their cast offs

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 26, 2015, 02:16:19 PM

Quote from: steamer on July 26, 2015, 02:12:47 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 26, 2015, 02:06:35 PM

Liverpool have kindly offered us Borini as a consolation prize according to the Express.

Fuck them and their cast offs

Saunders..? Staunton..? Houghton..?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on July 26, 2015, 02:27:24 PM

Quote from: Stirchley Villain on July 26, 2015, 02:16:19 PM

Quote from: steamer on July 26, 2015, 02:12:47 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 26, 2015, 02:06:35 PM

Liverpool have kindly offered us Borini as a consolation prize according to the Express.

Fuck them and their cast offs

Saunders..? Staunton..? Houghton..?

Borini isn't even fit to lace Milan Baros's boots, let alone Deano's.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on July 26, 2015, 02:27:49 PM

Pretty obvious Tim is looking at players with pace, energy and power. Actually enjoying the links with the majority of players this summer, makes a change being linked with these guys rather than Heskey and Holman.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on July 26, 2015, 02:36:47 PM

I've said it before and I'll say it again Borini is dog shit and has a crap scoring record. He's worth about £3m and I'd rather promote Robinson than spunk millions on that donkey.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 26, 2015, 02:37:22 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 26, 2015, 02:06:35 PM

Liverpool have kindly offered us Borini as a consolation prize according to the Express.

No thanks , would prefer Lambert as a short term gap , still think he's a useful target man who can hold the ball up and link the play.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: manic-road on July 26, 2015, 02:39:30 PM

Have we signed Didier Six yet?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Diablo on July 26, 2015, 02:42:48 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on July 26, 2015, 12:51:20 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 26, 2015, 12:32:57 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 26, 2015, 12:12:46 PM

Richards is playing centre-half.

We have five centre-halves which is enough.

Yes, the injury prone Richards. Besides the other players I mentioned hardly fill me with confidence what with their ongoing habit of screwing up on the pitch.

Richards doesnt convince me at centre half. I think he would be excellent at right back, therefore I would like to see us sign another centre half.

What position did Richards play when Man City won the league? Was it Rb or CH?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on July 26, 2015, 03:11:22 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 26, 2015, 02:06:35 PM

Liverpool have kindly offered us Borini as a consolation prize according to the Express.

The way it reads is that The Express have offered us Borini i.e. this player is possibly available and these clubs possibly need a forward.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 26, 2015, 03:14:09 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on July 26, 2015, 12:51:20 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 26, 2015, 12:32:57 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 26, 2015, 12:12:46 PM

Richards is playing centre-half.

We have five centre-halves which is enough.

Yes, the injury prone Richards. Besides the other players I mentioned hardly fill me with confidence what with their ongoing habit of screwing up on the pitch.

Richards doesnt convince me at centre half. I think he would be excellent at right back, therefore I would like to see us sign another centre half.

We're lead to believe that Sherwood signed him as a centre half, if that's the case he won't play right back

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on July 26, 2015, 03:33:46 PM

Quote from: Diablo on July 26, 2015, 02:42:48 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on July 26, 2015, 12:51:20 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 26, 2015, 12:32:57 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 26, 2015, 12:12:46 PM

Richards is playing centre-half.

We have five centre-halves which is enough.

Yes, the injury prone Richards. Besides the other players I mentioned hardly fill me with confidence what with their ongoing habit of screwing up on the pitch.

Richards doesnt convince me at centre half. I think he would be excellent at right back, therefore I would like to see us sign another centre half.

What position did Richards play when Man City won the league? Was it Rb or CH?

He was back up to Zabaleta at right back. He started the season at right back, got injured and Zabaleta took his place.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 26, 2015, 03:40:16 PM

Gerard Depardieu, Vanessa Paradis and Henri Leconte having medicals at Bodymoor this afternoon. ITK.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 26, 2015, 03:43:22 PM

We are close to the point where the mag should run a feature in every edition.  "French Letter."

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Diablo on July 26, 2015, 04:10:53 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on July 26, 2015, 03:33:46 PM

Quote from: Diablo on July 26, 2015, 02:42:48 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on July 26, 2015, 12:51:20 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 26, 2015, 12:32:57 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 26, 2015, 12:12:46 PM

Richards is playing centre-half.

We have five centre-halves which is enough.

Yes, the injury prone Richards. Besides the other players I mentioned hardly fill me with confidence what with their ongoing habit of screwing up on the pitch.

Richards doesnt convince me at centre half. I think he would be excellent at right back, therefore I would like to see us sign another centre half.

What position did Richards play when Man City won the league? Was it Rb or CH?

He was back up to Zabaleta at right back. He started the season at right back, got injured and Zabaleta took his place.

Thanks Holte L2. Looking at that title winning 2011-2012 season he played 29 league games 37 including cups/Europe. Certainly not a bit part player that season which is reassuring. He's proven he can perform with quality around him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 26, 2015, 04:16:05 PM

I'll be honest about not knowing much about Ntep but he looks very talented indeed. Him and Ayew would be an exciting pairing.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 26, 2015, 04:25:51 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 26, 2015, 04:16:05 PM

I'll be honest about not knowing much about Ntep but he looks very talented indeed. Him and Ayew would be an exciting pairing.

Arsenal were after N'Tep in 2014 . Not sure why it didn't happen.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on July 26, 2015, 04:33:33 PM

Quote from: brian green on July 26, 2015, 03:43:22 PM

We are close to the point where the mag should run a feature in every edition.  "French Letter."

Come again?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 26, 2015, 04:40:44 PM

Ntep's currently crook with hamstring and shin splint problems.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on July 26, 2015, 04:44:44 PM

Quote from: Diablo on July 26, 2015, 04:10:53 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on July 26, 2015, 03:33:46 PM

Quote from: Diablo on July 26, 2015, 02:42:48 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on July 26, 2015, 12:51:20 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 26, 2015, 12:32:57 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 26, 2015, 12:12:46 PM

Richards is playing centre-half.

We have five centre-halves which is enough.

Yes, the injury prone Richards. Besides the other players I mentioned hardly fill me with confidence what with their ongoing habit of screwing up on the pitch.

Richards doesnt convince me at centre half. I think he would be excellent at right back, therefore I would like to see us sign another centre half.

What position did Richards play when Man City won the league? Was it Rb or CH?

He was back up to Zabaleta at right back. He started the season at right back, got injured and Zabaleta took his place.

Thanks Holte L2. Looking at that title winning 2011-2012 season he played 29 league games 37 including cups/Europe. Certainly not a bit part player that season which is reassuring. He's proven he can perform with quality around him.

The Citeh fans I work with love him. But they stress he's much better at right back. He said he can be rather shakey at Centre back. He does look a lot more comfortable at right back, but fancies himself as a centre back though, and I'm guessing Sherwood signed him to play in that position.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: wozwebs on July 26, 2015, 05:39:15 PM

@whispers_listen on Twitter seems quite reliable and also appears to be someone non-English writing in English. Latest one is

Quote

baker, tonev, cissokho and senderos told look for fresh starts away. avfc. hutton and guzan touted. robinson and baker loan hopeful soon.

then also today

Quote

ron vlaar has contract offer still available to him at avfc until he belong to another club. offer though is only per game he plays.

Quote

carroll appear third choice midfielder. avfc talks with cambiasso and one more midfielder. If abandon, carroll loan to buy immediate attempt

Quote

avfc to sign two more mids. one will be to hold, one will be to attack more. bid went in today for one but hold position depend on cambiasso

If the first one is true wouldn't be a surprise apart from Baker perhaps to have as a backup but place needs a clean sweep and certainly getting that at the moment.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 26, 2015, 05:52:20 PM

Quote from: wozwebs on July 26, 2015, 05:39:15 PM

@whispers_listen on Twitter seems quite reliable and also appears to be someone non-English writing in English. Latest one is

Quote

baker, tonev, cissokho and senderos told look for fresh starts away. avfc. hutton and guzan touted. robinson and baker loan hopeful soon.

then also today

Quote

ron vlaar has contract offer still available to him at avfc until he belong to another club. offer though is only per game he plays.

Quote

carroll appear third choice midfielder. avfc talks with cambiasso and one more midfielder. If abandon, carroll loan to buy immediate attempt

Quote

avfc to sign two more mids. one will be to hold, one will be to attack more. bid went in today for one but hold position depend on cambiasso

If the first one is true wouldn't be a surprise apart from Baker perhaps to have as a backup but place needs a clean sweep and certainly getting that at the moment.

He doesn't seem to know whether we're selling or loaning Baker out though. Otherwise plausible.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: wozwebs on July 26, 2015, 06:15:11 PM

He's deleted that one and put this one up instead:

Quote

n'zogbia, hutton and guzan touted. baker, tonev, cissokho and senderos told look for fresh starts. avfc.  robinson and baker loan hopeful.

so added Charlie (phew!), thinks looking to sell Baker if bid comes in, otherwise, loan him out.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eamonn on July 26, 2015, 06:25:47 PM

I like the cut of this whisper character's jib.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Monty on July 26, 2015, 06:35:31 PM

I'd like to keep Hutton and Guzan, to be honest, but if Baker IS leaving that would hopefully mean a more prominent role for Clark, which I'd welcome.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on July 26, 2015, 06:35:41 PM

Quote from: paul_e on July 26, 2015, 01:04:06 AM

Quote from: Dave on July 26, 2015, 12:37:39 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 25, 2015, 10:43:00 PM

Why don't you cut out the threatening expletives and constant berating and follow an educated and reasoned debate ?

In the nicest possible way, you wouldn't know an educated debate if it painted itself purple and danced naked on top of a harpsichord singing "educated debates are here again".

This is the thing, it's only possible to have an educated debate if there's a chance that at some point both sides will accept the value of the other sides argument.  When one side of an argument is to go out of their way to make everything sound as shit as possible it's really difficult to see any value in that.  You could be right but who wants to be right when doing so means you're going to be even more miserable?

There are many on here who believe we are only a player or two away from having a decent side. Claret and Blue tinted glasses to put it mildy and every bit as wrong as the everything is sh*t brigade.

Nothing wrong with silhill putting forward the contrarian view imo

On Baker, if we are offered 3-4m then couldnt blame the club for accepting. May go on to have a decent career but it will be decent ala Liam Ridgewell rather than Gary Cahill.

Our biggest priority this summer was to replace Vlaar with a top right sided centre half that has consistently played 30+ league games per season for the last 3-4 years. Instead we brought in Micah richards and gave him a four year deal on crazy money. That Richards deal beggars belief

Even though we have five senior centre halves on the books (including Richards as per his likely position), here are their combined league starts over the past two seasons. Okore is already out injured until September and Clark doesnt seem to have got over his knee injury yet this summer nor signed a new deal.

Okore 26
Senderos 27
Richards 12
Baker 30
Clark 52

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 26, 2015, 06:59:30 PM

Quote from: Monty on July 26, 2015, 06:35:31 PM

I'd like to keep Hutton and Guzan, to be honest, but if Baker IS leaving that would hopefully mean a more prominent role for Clark, which I'd welcome.

I would be quite happy to see Hutton go as it would create a gap for us to hopefully get someone better, or someone who could develop into a better player. Same with Baker.

Going by the pre-season games, it looks like Richards-Clark is the first choice, even if Richards is being written off before he's even played a competitive game for us.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on July 26, 2015, 07:05:48 PM

Well we still need another CB of decent quality so moving on Baker and Senderos makes sense...of the 5 currently at the club, the 3 we should be keeping are Okore, Clark and obviously Richards.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on July 26, 2015, 07:09:31 PM

Quote from: Clampy on July 26, 2015, 12:14:56 PM

...it's not even the end of July and we've brought in 5 players, 6 including the likely arrival of Ayew, with the probability of a few more and the transfer window doesn't shut for another month.

Am I missing someone...

1. Sinclair
2. Richards
3. Gueye
4. Amavi
5. Ayew

...who is the 6th?

edit: is Mark Bunn the 6th?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 26, 2015, 07:13:43 PM

The middle of the park needs strengthening. A couple coming into that position is a must and Cambisso seems an obvious target, with hopefully a younger deep lying play maker. Sooner or later Sanchez has to turn his Columbian international performances into a regularity at B6, so I'd be willing to give him another season, while Westwood is a useful squad player, but it's high time Barry was finally replaced.

Ayew is an upgrade on what has gone before as an inside forward/winger in Gabby and Weimann, some more like that would be nice.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on July 26, 2015, 07:22:08 PM

Even if we signed 18 more new players in the next week we would still be posting things like 'we just need another couple in midfield and one more up front'

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on July 26, 2015, 07:28:14 PM

Signing Cambiasso would give the fans and the players a big lift. He's the full package with an abundance of experience, leadership and obviously a quality player...he could be the that player that would be instrumental in bringing the midfield together as a cohesive unit.

Cambiasso Sanchez/Westwood
Gueye Grealish Sinclair/Gil

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: andyh on July 26, 2015, 07:37:56 PM

Cambiasso would be a real asset.
I think him getting upto speed with the PL last season would mean he'd be even more effective in the coming one.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 26, 2015, 07:47:49 PM

Absolutely agree with the gents above,he would be an excellent signing along with Rudy Gestede.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: jwarry on July 26, 2015, 07:50:50 PM

Don't know why but have assumed Borini is crap but when you look back at his history and the usual YouTube stuff he was obviously highly rated a couple of years ago. Sunderland fans clearly rated him http://www.thisisanfield.com/2014/03/fabio-borini-uninspired-signing-legend-sunderland/ .  'The Mighty Reds YNWA' plays 14m for him so a cheeky 4 or 6m might be a good deal?!?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 26, 2015, 07:52:11 PM

Quote from: jwarry on July 26, 2015, 07:50:50 PM

Don't know why but have assumed Borini is crap but when you look back at his history and the usual YouTube stuff he was obviously highly rated a couple of years ago. Sunderland fans clearly rated him http://www.thisisanfield.com/2014/03/fabio-borini-uninspired-signing-legend-sunderland/ .  'The Mighty Reds YNWA' plays 14m for him so a cheeky 4 or 6m might be a good deal?!?

Borini is dreadful.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 26, 2015, 08:08:55 PM

We need some proven PL talent in.
All well and good signing French hopefuls but there needs to be some "banker" signings . Micah Richards is a "banker" at RB, CB is a bit of a risk.
Judging the money at stake I would like in the next week now -

Cambiasso
Adebayour or Austin
N'Zonzi

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 26, 2015, 08:10:55 PM

Seville signed N'zonzi weeks ago I'm afraid.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: AGRIPPA on July 26, 2015, 08:14:03 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 26, 2015, 08:08:55 PM

We need some proven PL talent in.
All well and good signing French hopefuls but there needs to be some "banker" signings . Micah Richards is a "banker" at RB, CB is a bit of a risk.
Judging the money at stake I would like in the next week now -

Cambiasso
Adebayour or Austin
N'Zonzi

Hasnt N'zonzi  gone to a french club??

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: spangley1812 on July 26, 2015, 08:31:19 PM

Quote from: AGRIPPA on July 26, 2015, 08:14:03 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 26, 2015, 08:08:55 PM

We need some proven PL talent in.
All well and good signing French hopefuls but there needs to be some "banker" signings . Micah Richards is a "banker" at RB, CB is a bit of a risk.
Judging the money at stake I would like in the next week now -

Cambiasso
Adebayour or Austin
N'Zonzi

Hasnt N'zonzi  gone to a french club??

Spanish I thought............

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: AGRIPPA on July 26, 2015, 08:33:05 PM

Quote from: spangley1812 on July 26, 2015, 08:31:19 PM

Quote from: AGRIPPA on July 26, 2015, 08:14:03 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 26, 2015, 08:08:55 PM

We need some proven PL talent in.
All well and good signing French hopefuls but there needs to be some "banker" signings . Micah Richards is a "banker" at RB, CB is a bit of a risk.
Judging the money at stake I would like in the next week now -

Cambiasso
Adebayour or Austin
N'Zonzi

Hasnt N'zonzi  gone to a french club??

Spanish I thought............

Well i doubt hes up for sale anyway

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: berneboy on July 26, 2015, 08:33:45 PM

Quote from: spangley1812 on July 26, 2015, 08:31:19 PM

Quote from: AGRIPPA on July 26, 2015, 08:14:03 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 26, 2015, 08:08:55 PM

We need some proven PL talent in.
All well and good signing French hopefuls but there needs to be some "banker" signings . Micah Richards is a "banker" at RB, CB is a bit of a risk.
Judging the money at stake I would like in the next week now -

Cambiasso
Adebayour or Austin
N'Zonzi

Hasnt N'zonzi  gone to a french club??

Spanish I thought............

Sevilla £7, apparently.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: FailsworthVillan on July 26, 2015, 08:37:41 PM

Quote from: berneboy on July 26, 2015, 08:33:45 PM

Quote from: spangley1812 on July 26, 2015, 08:31:19 PM

Quote from: AGRIPPA on July 26, 2015, 08:14:03 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 26, 2015, 08:08:55 PM

We need some proven PL talent in.
All well and good signing French hopefuls but there needs to be some "banker" signings . Micah Richards is a "banker" at RB, CB is a bit of a risk.
Judging the money at stake I would like in the next week now -

Cambiasso
Adebayour or Austin
N'Zonzi

Hasnt N'zonzi  gone to a french club??

Spanish I thought............

Sevilla £7, apparently.

£7. Must have been a Delph style release clause.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: spangley1812 on July 26, 2015, 08:40:08 PM

Quote from: FailsworthVillan on July 26, 2015, 08:37:41 PM

Quote from: berneboy on July 26, 2015, 08:33:45 PM

Quote from: spangley1812 on July 26, 2015, 08:31:19 PM

Quote from: AGRIPPA on July 26, 2015, 08:14:03 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 26, 2015, 08:08:55 PM

We need some proven PL talent in.
All well and good signing French hopefuls but there needs to be some "banker" signings . Micah Richards is a "banker" at RB, CB is a bit of a risk.
Judging the money at stake I would like in the next week now -

Cambiasso
Adebayour or Austin
N'Zonzi

Hasnt N'zonzi  gone to a french club??

Spanish I thought............

Sevilla £7, apparently.

£7. Must have been a Delph style release clause.

Out of contract next season

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 26, 2015, 09:00:36 PM

Ayew, bunn, Amarvi, Guy re,  Cambiasso and Gestade and would think that was an excellent window on purchases.  Adebeyor and Walker on loan would make it Fooking  brilliant

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 26, 2015, 09:05:14 PM

can you loan 2 from the same club? Adebayor on anything other than a loan would be madness and a move I doubt Lerner would sanction

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 26, 2015, 09:14:56 PM

Sorry didn't realise nzonzi had gone shame . I think Newcastle pitched for Carrick unsuccessfully , he's out of our reach but we need an anchor like him or Barry, Westwood for me isn't PL level, he's had 3 years to prove it and hasn't.
We need a step change in the middle particularly .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 26, 2015, 09:25:14 PM

Quote from: eamonn on July 26, 2015, 06:25:47 PM

I like the cut of this whisper character's jib.

Wonder where he get info from, says if we get Ayew probably won't go for Blackburn dude

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 26, 2015, 10:43:29 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 26, 2015, 09:05:14 PM

can you loan 2 from the same club? Adebayor on anything other than a loan would be madness and a move I doubt Lerner would sanction

Arguably we could just take over Adebeyor's contract as he would be on a free after this season.  This would allow us to pick up another loan from elsewhere.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 26, 2015, 10:54:07 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 26, 2015, 09:14:56 PM

Sorry didn't realise nzonzi had gone shame . I think Newcastle pitched for Carrick unsuccessfully , he's out of our reach but we need an anchor like him or Barry, Westwood for me isn't PL level, he's had 3 years to prove it and hasn't.
We need a step change in the middle particularly .

Cambiasso would fill that role, with Sanchez filling in when necessary.  I was quite impressed with the Aussie kid who came on in the second half against Walsall.  Very neat and tidy on the ball.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 26, 2015, 11:08:15 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 26, 2015, 10:43:29 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 26, 2015, 09:05:14 PM

can you loan 2 from the same club? Adebayor on anything other than a loan would be madness and a move I doubt Lerner would sanction

Arguably we could just take over Adebeyor's contract as he would be on a free after this season.  This would allow us to pick up another loan from elsewhere.

If there are negotiations going on, it's probably over a loan fee and whether we can get them to contribute towards his wages.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Diablo on July 27, 2015, 01:04:52 AM

Quote from: OCD on July 26, 2015, 11:08:15 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 26, 2015, 10:43:29 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 26, 2015, 09:05:14 PM

can you loan 2 from the same club? Adebayor on anything other than a loan would be madness and a move I doubt Lerner would sanction

Arguably we could just take over Adebeyor's contract as he would be on a free after this season.  This would allow us to pick up another loan from elsewhere.

If there are negotiations going on, it's probably over a loan fee and whether we can get them to contribute towards his wages.

Don't know if it has already been mentioned but Swansea are being linked with him as a replacement for Gomis

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/455901/Swansea-Arsenal-Tottenham-striker-Emmanuel-Adebayor

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on July 27, 2015, 01:25:16 AM

If we're going after Cambiasso we may as well ask Everton now that Cleverley is there whether Barry himself is available and open to a return.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 27, 2015, 05:14:04 AM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 26, 2015, 09:25:14 PM

Quote from: eamonn on July 26, 2015, 06:25:47 PM

I like the cut of this whisper character's jib.

Wonder where he get info from, says if we get Ayew probably won't go for Blackburn dude

They're completely different players

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 27, 2015, 05:15:42 AM

Quote from: spangley1812 on July 26, 2015, 08:40:08 PM

Quote from: FailsworthVillan on July 26, 2015, 08:37:41 PM

Quote from: berneboy on July 26, 2015, 08:33:45 PM

Quote from: spangley1812 on July 26, 2015, 08:31:19 PM

Quote from: AGRIPPA on July 26, 2015, 08:14:03 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 26, 2015, 08:08:55 PM

We need some proven PL talent in.


All well and good signing French hopefuls but there needs to be some "banker" signings . Micah Richards is a "banker" at RB, CB is a bit of a risk.
Judging the money at stake I would like in the next week now -

Cambiasso
Adebayour or Austin
N'Zonzi

Hasnt N'zonzi  gone to a french club??

Spanish I thought............

Sevilla £7, apparently.

£7. Must have been a Delph style release clause.

Out of contract next season

Wooosh

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt C on July 27, 2015, 05:21:51 AM

Sherwood pictured returning on a flight from Malaga today - were they playing in a friendly? Looking at Darder?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 27, 2015, 06:33:30 AM

on pre season tour in Columbia apparently so maybe another target or completely non football related?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on July 27, 2015, 07:43:18 AM

I'm still not convinced that Adebayor is required. Kozak looked reasonably good at Walsall - from the AVTV footage, admittedly - and with Ayew looking like a done deal, we have pace, variety and youth (Robinson, Sellars and Green) to work with up front.
My focus would be on one or two really good MF and another decent RB.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on July 27, 2015, 07:46:15 AM

Quote from: Mister E on July 27, 2015, 07:43:18 AM

I'm still not convinced that Adebayor is required. Kozak looked reasonably good at Walsall - from the AVTV footage, admittedly - and with Ayew looking like a done deal, we have pace, variety and youth (Robinson, Sellars and Green) to work with up front.
My focus would be on one or two really good MF and another decent RB.

Really? I was there and I thought Kozak was awful. Admittedly he's only just returned but his finishing was awful. He's a target man and nothing more.
Adebayor can add all types of goals, individual skill too his game. Plus, we need options. We can't rely on just one centre forward.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: *shellac* on July 27, 2015, 07:49:15 AM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 26, 2015, 07:47:49 PM

Absolutely agree with the gents above,he would be an excellent signing along with Rudy Gestede.

Any player by the name of Rude Gesture out there?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 27, 2015, 08:45:45 AM

Next one in...?

https://twitter.com/cordobacfsad/status/625568462736375808

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 27, 2015, 08:49:06 AM

I'm trying to figure out how that link has been faked. But so far it does look like their Twitter feed

He's valued T £500k on transfermarkt

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jose-angel-crespo/profil/spieler/37397#ath

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on July 27, 2015, 08:49:20 AM

I know he's a bit of a favourite on here and suffered a bad injury but I'm far from convinced by Kozak and think he looks really cumbersome. Id rather Adebayor with him as him back up.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 27, 2015, 08:51:46 AM

Fr

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 27, 2015, 08:49:06 AM

I'm trying to figure out how that link has been faked. But so far it does look like their Twitter feed

He's valued T £500k on transfermarkt

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jose-angel-crespo/profil/spieler/37397#ath

From the very quick digging that i've done, he's a right back but can play anywhere across the defence and that does look like Cordoba's official twitter account.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Walmley_Villa on July 27, 2015, 08:53:13 AM

Quote from: RussellC on July 27, 2015, 08:45:45 AM

Next one in...?

https://twitter.com/cordobacfsad/status/625568462736375808

Interesting, a right back as we know a position we need something. In his favour, he got Ronaldo sent off in January by getting in the way of the Madrid player's fist.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on July 27, 2015, 08:54:47 AM

Out of nowhere seemingly.

Bacuna, Hutton, Amavi, Richardson, Bennett, Richards, Cissokho (probably leaving) and this fella all at fullback, so I wonder how we're arranging this.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 27, 2015, 08:56:08 AM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_%C3%81ngel_Crespo

According to Wiki he can play right-back or left-back. The page also says we were linked to him back in 2008. Would certainly seem to spell trouble fro Hutton.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 27, 2015, 08:57:43 AM

And may I say, a damm fine spot from RusselC.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ormy Droid on July 27, 2015, 09:01:52 AM

If it's true, it does seem a bit of a strange move, I mean it's not as if we're lacking in the shit full back department is it?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 27, 2015, 09:02:09 AM

Yeah I don't know how you spotted that!

I can't believe he's going to be first choice. He seems a bit of a journeyman and the ever reliable Fifa ratings have him at 67. That's joe Bennett level.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: boboonthecorner on July 27, 2015, 09:03:13 AM

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/07/27/report-aston-villa-target-paul-georges-ntep-not-interested-in-po/?

Ntep apparently not interested in signing for a non champs leage team.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 27, 2015, 09:05:15 AM

We were linked w him 8 years ago. Maybe our scouts think there's something in him others have missed (were any of our scouts here then?)

Does make you wonder about sherwood's influence on our signings. We're not getting a director of football but perhaps the club is adopting the same continuity approach

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 27, 2015, 09:05:27 AM

Quote from: Diablo on July 27, 2015, 01:04:52 AM

Quote from: OCD on July 26, 2015, 11:08:15 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 26, 2015, 10:43:29 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 26, 2015, 09:05:14 PM

can you loan 2 from the same club? Adebayor on anything other than a loan would be madness and a move I doubt Lerner would sanction

Arguably we could just take over Adebeyor's contract as he would be on a free after this season.  This would allow us to pick up another loan from elsewhere.

If there are negotiations going on, it's probably over a loan fee and whether we can get them to contribute towards his wages.

Don't know if it has already been mentioned but Swansea are being linked with him as a replacement for Gomis

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/455901/Swansea-Arsenal-Tottenham-striker-Emmanuel-Adebayor

If Gomis is available for £8m get him, and Adebayor.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on July 27, 2015, 09:09:20 AM

Just had the tweet come through.  Looks an interesting signing. Can't help but think this reminds of when we signed Luna!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 27, 2015, 09:15:32 AM

Buying a 28 year old Spanish defender valued at half a million is about as far from the sort of signing I expected Sherwood to make as seems possible

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on July 27, 2015, 09:17:24 AM

Quote from: passitsideways on July 27, 2015, 08:54:47 AM

Out of nowhere seemingly.

Bacuna, Hutton, Amavi, Richardson, Bennett, Richards, Cissokho (probably leaving) and this fella all at fullback, so I wonder how we're arranging this.

"Why isn't Richards playing full-back ?" is rapidly turning into another "Why didn't Barry take the penalty?"

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 27, 2015, 09:21:24 AM

I think he sees bacuna in midfield (I don't at all)

Despite various rumours that Bennett will be back up I don't think he's been anywhere to be seen yet?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 27, 2015, 09:23:03 AM

When I came out of Wembley and proclaimed that Sherwood could get rid of the whole lot of them for all I care, I didn't think he was actually listening.

Apart from Captain Clacker of course.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 27, 2015, 09:23:15 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 27, 2015, 09:15:32 AM

Buying a 28 year old Spanish defender valued at half a million is about as far from the sort of signing I expected Sherwood to make as seems possible

Wasn't Reilly with us before?  So it might be that this link have resurfaced because he has rejoined the club.  I get the impression that most of the signings are a Reilly thing and would not be surprised if/when Sherwood's picks join later in the window (eg when Spurs are trying to get rid of the players).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 27, 2015, 09:27:44 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 27, 2015, 09:23:15 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 27, 2015, 09:15:32 AM

Buying a 28 year old Spanish defender valued at half a million is about as far from the sort of signing I expected Sherwood to make as seems possible

Wasn't Reilly with us before?  So it might be that this link have resurfaced because he has rejoined the club.  I get the impression that most of the signings are a Reilly thing and would not be surprised if/when Sherwood's picks join later in the window (eg when Spurs are trying to get rid of the players).

That's what I've been wondering. Fine as long as Sherwood is genuinely happy w the players. He's been a bit quiet of late.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villatillidie25 on July 27, 2015, 09:29:38 AM

On ssn now

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aev on July 27, 2015, 09:36:09 AM

What is his name ?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 27, 2015, 09:42:04 AM

Jose Angel Crespo.

Just reported on 5Live that a bid has been accepted.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 27, 2015, 09:43:13 AM

I think it's right that Sherwood vetoed the director of football appt? He might feel he has a de facto one now anyway perhaps

Tho I think he personally went over there to do the deal. And there was me hoping it Was for Sergi darder

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on July 27, 2015, 09:44:59 AM

It's not implausable that we'd be after two players from over there.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villabear on July 27, 2015, 09:45:27 AM

From Sky Sports transfer thingy

VILLA TO SIGN CRESPO

Aston Villa have reached an agreement with Cordoba for the transfer of right-back Jose Angel Crespo, according to the Segunda Division side.

Crespo, 28, played 27 times for relegated Cordoba last year, and represented Spain at Under-21 level four times.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 27, 2015, 09:47:19 AM

Quote from: villabear on July 27, 2015, 09:45:27 AM

From Sky Sports transfer thingy

VILLA TO SIGN CRESPO

Aston Villa have reached an agreement with Cordoba for the transfer of right-back Jose Angel Crespo, according to the Segunda Division side.

Crespo, 28, played 27 times for relegated Cordoba last year, and represented Spain at Under-21 level four times.

It is an amusingly similar profile to that of the hapless Tony Moon. Let's hope he fares better.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 27, 2015, 09:47:31 AM

Sherwood has been involved in all the transfers, so I think its safe to say he wants these players, even if he didn't identify them all.

That he's got a good scouting team finding them for his approval, with the head of recruitment joining in on convincing them, that he has somebody who can make the offers and put the contracts in place, is surely only a good thing, so Tim can move on to the next target.

When you put that into context, together with his extensive coaching set up and compare it to Lambert having to do all the above on his own last summer, its as if we've suddenly entered the 21st century.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 27, 2015, 09:48:07 AM

Quote from: aj2k77 on July 27, 2015, 08:49:20 AM

I know he's a bit of a favourite on here and suffered a bad injury but I'm far from convinced by Kozak and think he looks really cumbersome. Id rather Adebayor with him as him back up.

I haven't seen anything of him since his return but what I saw if him prior to the injury didn't convince me. Saw him against Hull and he spent most of his time throwing himself to the ground looking for free kicks.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 27, 2015, 09:49:03 AM

Just because he's cheap, a bit older and relatively unknown to us doesn't mean he will be crap.

Looks good on you pube.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 27, 2015, 09:49:40 AM

Quote from: Ads on July 27, 2015, 09:47:31 AM

Sherwood has been involved in all the transfers, so I think its safe to say he wants these players, even if he didn't identify them all.

That he's got a good scouting team finding them for his approval, with the head of recruitment joining in on convincing them, that he has somebody who can make the offers and put the contracts in place, is surely only a good thing, so Tim can move on to the next target.

When you put that into context, together with his extensive coaching set up and compare it to Lambert having to do all the above on his own last summer, its as if we've suddenly entered the 21st century.

Fucking hell with that joker we'd still to get out of the 19th century, we just about had a bucket and sponge man in the end.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 27, 2015, 10:16:31 AM

Lets give kozak a chance . He's battled back from injury and anyone who battles back from something shows great character. I like Czech players they like there football and he scored a few goals whilst adapting. Lets see how he performs. Also borini isn't rubbish despite what some said he's premier league proverm and has big club winning mentality as hes been at top end premier league clubs .did well at Swansea and Sunderland too.

So I wonder if Tim put these lists together as expected crespo signs and that's another chance on a foreign player . I wouldn't think so? When Sherwood said he wanted winners hes signed a full back from a team relegated in Spain. Gueye, armvai, and ayew are interesting signings however I think lambert may have signed these too so think they are nt totally Sherwood signings.

I would expect 4-5 more signings 6 at most by close of window.or so I hope!
Plus be a few more departures

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 27, 2015, 10:21:42 AM

Last season Kozak featured in 14 league games, of which he started about half, and from which he scored 4 goals.

I can see why people might think he's a bit cumbersome (although I thought he looked very good the other night), but 4 in 14 for a player in his first league games in a country is pretty good, really. He has at least shown he deserves a chance.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 27, 2015, 10:25:28 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on July 27, 2015, 10:16:31 AM

Also borini isn't rubbish despite what some said he's premier league proverm and has big club winning mentality as hes been at top end premier league clubs .

He is, he isn't and he hasn't.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dr Butler on July 27, 2015, 10:26:47 AM

Quote from: Chris Jameson on July 27, 2015, 10:25:28 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on July 27, 2015, 10:16:31 AM

Also borini isn't rubbish despite what some said he's premier league proverm and has big club winning mentality as hes been at top end premier league clubs .

He is, he isn't and he hasn't.

agreed Chris.....

UTV
The Doc

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 27, 2015, 10:31:46 AM

Quote from: Clampy on July 27, 2015, 08:57:43 AM

And may I say, a damm fine spot from RusselC.

The one benefit of trawling Twitter on an early mooring commute to work!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 27, 2015, 10:35:16 AM

Quote from: RussellC on July 27, 2015, 10:31:46 AM

Quote from: Clampy on July 27, 2015, 08:57:43 AM

And may I say, a damm fine spot from RusselC.

The one benefit of trawling Twitter on an early mooring commute to work!

You go to work in a boat!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 27, 2015, 10:39:05 AM

Ray Wilkins more or less admitted we want Adebayor on talksport.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 27, 2015, 10:39:09 AM

Quote from: UK Redsox on July 27, 2015, 09:17:24 AM

Quote from: passitsideways on July 27, 2015, 08:54:47 AM

Out of nowhere seemingly.

Bacuna, Hutton, Amavi, Richardson, Bennett, Richards, Cissokho (probably leaving) and this fella all at fullback, so I wonder how we're arranging this.

"Why isn't Richards playing full-back ?" is rapidly turning into another "Why didn't Barry take the penalty?"

he hasn't been brought here to play Full back, he said so himself

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 27, 2015, 10:40:20 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 27, 2015, 10:21:42 AM

Last season Kozak featured in 14 league games, of which he started about half, and from which he scored 4 goals.

I can see why people might think he's a bit cumbersome (although I thought he looked very good the other night), but 4 in 14 for a player in his first league games in a country is pretty good, really. He has at least shown he deserves a chance.

I like him and I think he does as well

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 27, 2015, 10:48:55 AM

I also saw a picture on twitter of NZog in Norwich (so the caption said) interest from Norwich, I bloody hope so

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 27, 2015, 10:49:47 AM

Yes, agreed on Kozak. From what bits I've seen, if he gets chances he'll score goals.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 27, 2015, 10:50:38 AM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 27, 2015, 10:48:55 AM

I also saw a picture on twitter of NZog in Norwich (so the caption said) interest from Norwich, I bloody hope so

Yep, fuck him off.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 27, 2015, 10:56:57 AM

big time. an abomination to football and fashion.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 27, 2015, 10:57:47 AM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 27, 2015, 10:50:38 AM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 27, 2015, 10:48:55 AM

I also saw a picture on twitter of NZog in Norwich (so the caption said) interest from Norwich, I bloody hope so

Yep, fuck him off.

Thank god for Delias drinking

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ryu on July 27, 2015, 11:04:57 AM

http://talksport.com/football/exclusive-ray-wilkins-says-jordan-ayew-set-aston-villa-medical-and-reveals-emmanuel

Wilkins here seems to be saying he'd like to see us sign Adebeyor.  Looking at the kind of signings we've made so far I didn't think the links with Spurs players would be accurate but I'm beginning to think this one might be.  He is a talented player and can score goals in the PL so as long as it's not a 5 year deal on 100k a week or something daft I'd live with it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 27, 2015, 11:07:43 AM

Quote from: TheMalandro on July 27, 2015, 10:57:47 AM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 27, 2015, 10:50:38 AM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 27, 2015, 10:48:55 AM

I also saw a picture on twitter of NZog in Norwich (so the caption said) interest from Norwich, I bloody hope so

Yep, fuck him off.

Thank god for Delias drinking

Indeed, let's hope she's barely standing up this time too. We might even get a transfer fee.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 27, 2015, 11:09:48 AM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 27, 2015, 10:50:38 AM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 27, 2015, 10:48:55 AM

I also saw a picture on twitter of NZog in Norwich (so the caption said) interest from Norwich, I bloody hope so

Yep, fuck him off.

I saw that tweet too but thought that it was just a guy who had seen a car with 'NZG' as the latter part of the reg plate and was trying to be funny...?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 27, 2015, 11:10:45 AM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 27, 2015, 11:07:43 AM

Quote from: TheMalandro on July 27, 2015, 10:57:47 AM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 27, 2015, 10:50:38 AM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 27, 2015, 10:48:55 AM

I also saw a picture on twitter of NZog in Norwich (so the caption said) interest from Norwich, I bloody hope so

Yep, fuck him off.

Thank god for Delias drinking

We might even get a transfer fee.

rolling on floor laughing. Or whatever the kids say.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 27, 2015, 11:18:57 AM

Quote from: TheMalandro on July 27, 2015, 11:10:45 AM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 27, 2015, 11:07:43 AM

Quote from: TheMalandro on July 27, 2015, 10:57:47 AM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 27, 2015, 10:50:38 AM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 27, 2015, 10:48:55 AM

I also saw a picture on twitter of NZog in Norwich (so the caption said) interest from Norwich, I bloody hope so

Yep, fuck him off.

Thank god for Delias drinking

We might even get a transfer fee.

rolling on floor laughing. Or whatever the kids say.

If she's proper fucked up, perhaps we could knock her £15m for Gabby while we're at it. They need proven premier league players after all.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: citizenDJ on July 27, 2015, 11:30:51 AM

I've just listened to Ray Wilkins talking on the TalkSport snippet linked above, and he does speak well as ever, but what I thought was most interesting were his comments about Sherwood's knowledge of top young players across Europe as a result of his time at the Spurs Academy. I hadn't really thought of that, to be honest, but it's a good point - and it could mean more Bentekes than Lunas, I suppose.

Either way, it's been much more interesting than the initial links to Spurs' reserves anyway. I think it's quite exciting.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 27, 2015, 11:37:24 AM

Unfortunately I think he did say something about us being keen on Adebayor though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 27, 2015, 11:43:41 AM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 27, 2015, 11:37:24 AM

Unfortunately I think he did say something about us being keen on Adebayor though.

With everyone else we're signing I wouldn't have a problem with Adebayor on a loan/cheap deal. Whatever else he might get up to, he scores goals.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 27, 2015, 11:43:58 AM

Good, get him in so he can start at Bournemouth.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 27, 2015, 11:57:21 AM

"...when Adebayor wants to play he is extremely effective." - from Wilkins' interview.

There's the dilemma. When he's motivated, as he was when he played for Sherwood at Spurs, he's a handful and gets a good share of goals. However, if he's not then he's a big expense. If we can get him on loan for a year, see if we can get Spurs to subsidise his wages, then we should be mitigating the risk as best as we can. Another quality forward might help with that but I assume Ayew can play wide or in the middle.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 27, 2015, 12:00:43 PM

I'll certainly cut him some slack, the papers obsession with his family problems is just sensationalism.

Money mixed with friends/family always causes problems. I've had it and its very unpleasant.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 27, 2015, 12:07:26 PM

I could see Adebayor having a similar impact to John Carew for a season or two for us. My only worry is that we'll have to field the U21s for a month when the next ACN comes around!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 27, 2015, 12:08:36 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 27, 2015, 11:43:41 AM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 27, 2015, 11:37:24 AM

Unfortunately I think he did say something about us being keen on Adebayor though.

With everyone else we're signing I wouldn't have a problem with Adebayor on a loan/cheap deal. Whatever else he might get up to, he scores goals.

I think if he comes, a cut price 2 year deal may be the way to go, sooner us secure him for an extra season just in case he does well. And if he comes, like with all signing the fans should get behind him, and as you say he's got goals in him.
Personally though, I think he comes off like a big time Charlie and won't settle at a club at the wrong end of the table.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on July 27, 2015, 12:09:01 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 27, 2015, 11:43:41 AM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 27, 2015, 11:37:24 AM

Unfortunately I think he did say something about us being keen on Adebayor though.

With everyone else we're signing I wouldn't have a problem with Adebayor on a loan/cheap deal. Whatever else he might get up to, he scores goals.

My thoughts exactly.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: citizenDJ on July 27, 2015, 12:15:58 PM

I do think it's important to remember, too, that Adebayor is a really, really good player who scores plenty of goals! I think he'd be a very good signing, loan or permanent.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 27, 2015, 12:49:36 PM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 27, 2015, 12:08:36 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 27, 2015, 11:43:41 AM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 27, 2015, 11:37:24 AM

Unfortunately I think he did say something about us being keen on Adebayor though.

With everyone else we're signing I wouldn't have a problem with Adebayor on a loan/cheap deal. Whatever else he might get up to, he scores goals.

 a big time Charlie and won't settle at a club at the wrong end of the table.

Then lets make sure we are not at the wrong end this season

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 27, 2015, 01:05:03 PM

I'm actually starting to like the idea of an Adebayor/Borini font two.  What's wrong with me?!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 27, 2015, 01:11:00 PM

Quote from: Des Little on July 27, 2015, 01:05:03 PM

I'm actually starting to like the idea of an Adebayor/Borini font two.  What's wrong with me?!

I don't know Des but it looks bad.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 27, 2015, 01:13:57 PM

Quote from: Des Little on July 27, 2015, 01:05:03 PM

I'm actually starting to like the idea of an Adebayor/Borini font two.  What's wrong with me?!

Depends who they're playing for in this idea.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Lsvilla on July 27, 2015, 01:15:15 PM

I got told last week by a Spuds fan that Adebayor was a done deal on a season loan with us paying Spuds £2.5m by way of a fee and £50k pw in wages - with Spuds then giving Adebayor the £2.5m to supplement his wages. Merely waiting for Adebayors agent as he was out of the country until this week. Makes sense in as much as it keeps our wages policy intact and gets him off Spuds wage bill to free up what they want to do - equally likely to be 100% wrong though !

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on July 27, 2015, 01:17:44 PM

Adebayor is about the most UnVilla signing I can think of.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 27, 2015, 01:23:31 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on July 27, 2015, 01:17:44 PM

Adebayor is about the most UnVilla signing I can think of.

Times are changing.  Can't recall us ever signing so many players from the continent in one summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on July 27, 2015, 01:26:25 PM

I was more thinking of the way he mopes about with his hands on his hips thinking he's doing his employers a favour by lacing his boots for an hour every week.

We don't tend to look too favourably on players who don't have a work ethic, however talented they may be.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 27, 2015, 01:26:52 PM

Quote from: Des Little on July 27, 2015, 01:05:03 PM

I'm actually starting to like the idea of an Adebayor/Borini font two.  What's wrong with me?!

Borini as a squad player wouldn't be a bad option if the price was right.  If we are going to play a 4-2-3-1 formation, then he can play either up front or on the right.  He hasn't got a great record, but we need squad options and he would be a step up from the likes of Weimann.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: simon ward 50 on July 27, 2015, 01:37:25 PM

Quote from: Des Little on July 27, 2015, 01:05:03 PM

I'm actually starting to like the idea of an Adebayor/Borini font two.  What's wrong with me?!

You need help immediately

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on July 27, 2015, 01:42:14 PM

Quote from: TheMalandro on July 27, 2015, 12:00:43 PM

I'll certainly cut him some slack, the papers obsession with his family problems is just sensationalism.

Money mixed with friends/family always causes problems.

There are not many players that are given compassionate leave twice by their club in a short space of time.

This is my major concern with his head not being in the right place over the last twelve months.  Has he got over it?  Only somebody that knows him will be able to find this out and Sherwood would obviously be the best placed.

A loan would be best so as to take him through to the end of his contract.  If he does well and then signs for somebody else, so be it but we need to buy ourselves a season of steady progression.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ryu on July 27, 2015, 01:42:29 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on July 27, 2015, 01:26:52 PM

Quote from: Des Little on July 27, 2015, 01:05:03 PM

I'm actually starting to like the idea of an Adebayor/Borini font two.  What's wrong with me?!

Borini as a squad player wouldn't be a bad option if the price was right.  If we are going to play a 4-2-3-1 formation, then he can play either up front or on the right.  He hasn't got a great record, but we need squad options and he would be a step up from the likes of Weimann.

I think Weimann's place in the squad will be taken by Robinson or someone from the academy.  Which I think is a good thing and Sherwood has said he wouldn't want to bring someone in to block the path of am academy player.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 27, 2015, 01:51:27 PM

I don't mind the idea of Adebayor, Ayew, Kozak, Robinson and Gabby as our options up front with the likes of Gil, Sinclair, Grealish, Gueye creating chances behind them. Benteke is gone, time to play a different way. Get the ball on the deck and get the midfielders much more involved in scoring goals. We saw that last season how Sherwood encourage the midfield to get into the box. I think we still need a quality CM to partner Gueye, maybe just to allow him to get forward more which he clearly likes to do.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Caiphus on July 27, 2015, 01:54:25 PM

It sounds like Adebayor has only recently started getting treated for mental illness since last season when he got compassionate leave for being suicidal.

If his treatment is going well then getting some continuity in his life through regular playing time would be a great thing for him, and I don't think him appearing to be a bit of an enigma in his past should see everyone devoid of compassion.  He has reportedly been a good trainer and if Sherwood is able to nurture him and his eccentricities/illness I think it is worth the gamble considering he is a prolific striker.

Of course I am heavily biased towards giving people with a documented mental illness every chance to get better.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 27, 2015, 01:54:55 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 27, 2015, 01:51:27 PM

I don't mind the idea of Adebayor, Ayew, Kozak, Robinson and Gabby as our options up front with the likes of Gil, Sinclair, Grealish, Gueye creating chances behind them. Benteke is gone, time to play a different way. Get the ball on the deck and get the midfielders much more involved in scoring goals. We saw that last season how Sherwood encourage the midfield to get into the box. I think we still need a quality CM to partner Gueye, maybe just to allow him to get forward more which he clearly likes to do.

Maybe it was the instructions on Saturday, but I didn't get the impression he was that kind of player.  He seemed more to be a deeper lying midfielder who broke things up. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 27, 2015, 01:55:15 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on July 27, 2015, 01:17:44 PM

Adebayor is about the most UnVilla signing I can think of.

Very much the type of signing I'd expect at the Albion.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 27, 2015, 01:55:26 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on July 27, 2015, 01:17:44 PM

Adebayor is about the most UnVilla signing I can think of.

Far better than the lower league crap we've been signing for the last 5 years though.
I hope we sign him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 27, 2015, 01:59:18 PM

So much depends on adebayor's mental state and none of us know that really

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: DB on July 27, 2015, 02:03:49 PM

Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on July 27, 2015, 01:55:15 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on July 27, 2015, 01:17:44 PM

Adebayor is about the most UnVilla signing I can think of.

Very much the type of signing I'd expect at the Albion.

Yes. The new Anelka or Kanu.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 27, 2015, 02:06:06 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 27, 2015, 01:59:18 PM

So much depends on adebayor's mental state and none of us know that really

If Lambert was signing or TSM1 I'd be shitting it. But Sherwood is the most qualified to get the most out of him. Even if it is a short burst, Adebayor is a very talented player and can be very useful. I hope it would only be a loan deal, but not against a short permanent deal either.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 27, 2015, 02:13:44 PM

but some of the goals tim coaxed out of him were now almost two years ago, and the guy has played virtually no football for a long time. To me on the coin he'd want, it's too risky. The last thing we need is some ageing prima donna on our hands, but I accept others here think he'll cut the mustard short term.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 27, 2015, 02:23:25 PM

Quote from: Caiphus on July 27, 2015, 01:54:25 PM

Of course I am heavily biased towards giving people with a documented mental illness every chance to get better.

I'm with you on that. If he sees it as a help and distraction, I'm sure he will be very grateful to Sherwood. Bring it on I say.

Its very easy to say a big striker is lazy when the game is going against his team - they will always look like they are doing bugger all. Anyway, time will tell.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 27, 2015, 03:12:33 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 27, 2015, 01:55:26 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on July 27, 2015, 01:17:44 PM

Adebayor is about the most UnVilla signing I can think of.

Far better than the lower league crap we've been signing for the last 5 years though.
I hope we sign him.

Me too. He's a goal scorer who the manager seems to be able to get the best out of.

Him coming in, with a younger player who will be ready to take over the pressures of being the main man up front maybe next season makes a lot of sense to me.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on July 27, 2015, 03:14:36 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 27, 2015, 02:13:44 PM

but some of the goals tim coaxed out of him were now almost two years ago, and the guy has played virtually no football for a long time. To me on the coin he'd want, it's too risky. The last thing we need is some ageing prima donna on our hands, but I accept others here think he'll cut the mustard short term.

I read your post and I think yeah he's got a good point there, then I read somone else's post who is more positive and I side with them for a bit,

I don't know I'm truly 50/50 on it, I don't think anyone can categorically know exactly what his state of mind and motivation will be, so we can only trust in Tim

My gambling nature says give it a go if the terms are right, but then my gambling nature has caused me lots of problems in the past, so fuck knows

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on July 27, 2015, 03:15:00 PM

Now we have Ayew, I wouldn't be adverse to Adebayor. I'd fancy him to have a purple patch under Sherwood. A good half season here or there. I also expect good things from Kozak. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 27, 2015, 03:27:31 PM

I would sooner have a player recovering from mental illness than a player who goes on a club bonding holiday, gets drunk and starts fighting.   If Adebayor comes and we treat him like Peter Withe he will do us proud, if we treat him like Marlon Harewood he will not.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Marlon's Hairy Wood on July 27, 2015, 03:28:03 PM

It's crazy that we have Richards, Ayew, Amavi, Gueye and potentially Adebayor in.. yet we'll still have 12million to play with, without even touching this seasons transfer kitty

If Randy goes all in then this season has the potential to be much improved

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on July 27, 2015, 03:45:59 PM

I'm really not that fussed about Adebayor coming in - it could work, but I don't think it'll work out in the long run, because he doesn't seem to have much form for stability. However, if he does come in, and Sherwood gets a great first half of the season out of him (enough to take the stress from the other, untested portion of the attack), it's a very good loan. I just hope we're not relying on him for another squeaky-bum run-in.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 27, 2015, 04:03:52 PM

Imagine we end up getting Adebayor and this young Belgian kid in, we could have the best all round forward options we have had in years.

I would like a couple of midfield options now though in fairness. Cambiasso and Praet would do nicely .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on July 27, 2015, 04:43:39 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 27, 2015, 04:03:52 PM

Imagine we end up getting Adebayor and this young Belgian kid in, we could have the best all round forward options we have had in years.

I would like a couple of midfield options now though in fairness. Cambiasso and Praet would do nicely .

Midfield really needs addressing.  For the first time in a while, I believe in the manager in charge and that he's and he's identified the issues. It's refreshing.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 27, 2015, 04:56:00 PM

Quote from: Marlon's Hairy Wood on July 27, 2015, 03:28:03 PM

It's crazy that we have Richards, Ayew, Amavi, Gueye and potentially Adebayor in.. yet we'll still have 12million to play with, without even touching this seasons transfer kitty

If Randy goes all in then this season has the potential to be much improved

I think the experience Cambiasso and Adebayor would bring would give a nice balance to the younger signings we have made. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on July 27, 2015, 05:29:53 PM

We still need another CB, midfield attacker and a top-class striker. At least 7-9M each perhaps £12-15M on a striker.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 27, 2015, 05:58:47 PM

unlikely we'll be spending another 25m in this window. I see it as (sadly for me) Adebayor, an as yet unnamed mid and possibly us buying Oulare for the future

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: jwarry on July 27, 2015, 06:07:42 PM

I wanted a clear out but never run my wildest dreams did I imagine only 2 (Westie and Jack) of the 11 buffoons that graced Wembley would actually be playing in our first match of the season (assuming Crespo replaces Hutton).  Well done Tim bring it on!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on July 27, 2015, 06:16:39 PM

To be honest I think Adebayor has lived off his 07/08 season at Arsenal for most of his career. Wenger did incredibly well to get such huge money for him but he has only had 2 seasons in his entire career where he has scored more than 15 league goals. The hope would be that he would be a John Carew type cult hero for the club but Carew was a few years younger when he joined us. You would hope he could be a positive in helping Gueye, Amavi and Ayew settle in from the French league to the BPL as he did once upon a time so the proposed move isnt without merit.

I guess a season long loan limits the risk for us but it isnt as if we have a squad of young pros in needs of experienced heads. We have become the last chance saloon for top division football for too many - Senderos, Cole, Richardson, Hutton, Richards, Nzogbia, Gabby, even Sinclair wont get a chance in the top division again if he flops with us. Also Adebayor is very much a short term signing to replace Benteke, would have thought our succession planning was much more advanced than that for CB.

We still need a left sided midfielder to replace Delph and right back to replace Hutton. Our current right sided centre half options of Okore, Richards and Senderos dont fill me with much confidence either.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 27, 2015, 06:20:15 PM

The daily express claimed we were signing borini

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt C on July 27, 2015, 06:48:26 PM

They claimed he'd been offered to us and Leicester.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 27, 2015, 07:05:03 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on July 27, 2015, 06:16:39 PM

To be honest I think Adebayor has lived off his 07/08 season at Arsenal for most of his career. Wenger did incredibly well to get such huge money for him but he has only had 2 seasons in his entire career where he has scored more than 15 league goals. The hope would be that he would be a John Carew type cult hero for the club but Carew was a few years younger when he joined us. You would hope he could be a positive in helping Gueye, Amavi and Ayew settle in from the French league to the BPL as he did once upon a time so the proposed move isnt without merit.

I guess a season long loan limits the risk for us but it isnt as if we have a squad of young pros in needs of experienced heads. We have become the last chance saloon for top division football for too many - Senderos, Cole, Richardson, Hutton, Richards, Nzogbia, Gabby, even Sinclair wont get a chance in the top division again if he flops with us. Also Adebayor is very much a short term signing to replace Benteke, would have thought our succession planning was much more advanced than that for CB.

We still need a left sided midfielder to replace Delph and right back to replace Hutton. Our current right sided centre half options of Okore, Richards and Senderos dont fill me with much confidence either.

I'm writing this as someone who's not much of a fan as Adebeyor but I think you're being a bit dismissive.

Based on a quick whizz around the internet (OK Wikipedia), as you correctly say 07/08 was his best season scoring 30 goals in 48 appearances.

The following season he scored 16 in 37 (so pretty much what Benteke managed for us last season) having spent 2 months out injured in the middle of the season and missing the last couple of games at the end of the season.

That summer he moved to Man City. They (Mark Hughes) offered the money, not Wenger doing incredibly well to get the money, £25M, for him.
Hughes got the boot in December of that year with Mancini coming in.  He scored 14 in 31 appearances.

Following season, barely picked by Mancini scored 5 in 14. (4 in 6 in Europa League) before Christmas and loaned out to Real Madrid in the January window.
Half season in Madrid he scored 8 in 22

Following season loaned out to Spurs with Redknapp as manager he scores 18 in 37.
Signed a permament deal with Spurs for the 2012/13 season under Villas-Boas. Scored 8 in 34 - his worst return.
Following season 14 in 25, mostly after Sherwood took over.
Last season 2 in 10 for Pochettino.

So no, he's never hit the heights of that 07/08 season with Arsenal, but who has? Since then, to me, it looks like if he's playing for a manager where he feels "wanted" for want of a better expression, he knocks them in at somewhere between 1 in 2 and 2 in 5.

If you want better than that, you'd better hope they've got a release clause at around £30M otherwise you talking trading in the rest of the squad.

I can't be bothered to research it more than the PL Top Scorers lists, but since 07/08 where he scored 24 goals, the only players to beat that mark are
07/08 - Ronaldo & Torres.
08/09 - No one Anelka top scorer for Chelsea with 19.
09/10 - Drogba & Rooney - Bent equalled the 24 goals for Sunderland.
10/11 - No one. Berbatov and Tevez joint highest with 20 each.
11/12 - van Persie & Rooney
12/13 - van Persie & Suarez
13/14 - Suarez
14/15 - Aguero.

Complaining he's never repeated it is a bit like complaining Andy Murray has only won Wimbledon once whilst Federer, Nadal and Djokovic have been creaming the titles in.

He might not be at the absolute highest level, but on his day he can match anyone and his normal level is plenty good enough in the vast majority of cases.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on July 27, 2015, 07:08:33 PM

Latest odds to join us from skybet -

Emmanuel Adebayor   1/12 fav
Esteban Cambiasso    10/11 fav
Andros Townsend        11/8 fav
Charlie Austin             5/1  2nd fav ( newc 1/3)
Virgil van Dijk            9/2
Fabio Borini                 6/1
Javier Hernandez         10/1
Logic Remy.                12/1
Rickie Lambert           14/1  (WBA 1/10)
Johnny Evans.             25/1
Saido Berahino.           33/1

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 27, 2015, 07:10:51 PM

Logic Remy? Sounds like a cartoon character

If cambiasso does retire I'm not sure who the other contenders are. Tom Carroll looks talented but very lightweight

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 27, 2015, 07:23:01 PM

What's the latest with Camiasso?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 27, 2015, 07:45:40 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on July 27, 2015, 06:20:15 PM

The daily express claimed we were signing borini

They've also claimed the worst weather ever is on the way everyday for the last two years.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Concrete John on July 27, 2015, 07:53:33 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 27, 2015, 07:05:03 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on July 27, 2015, 06:16:39 PM

To be honest I think Adebayor has lived off his 07/08 season at Arsenal for most of his career. Wenger did incredibly well to get such huge money for him but he has only had 2 seasons in his entire career where he has scored more than 15 league goals. The hope would be that he would be a John Carew type cult hero for the club but Carew was a few years younger when he joined us. You would hope he could be a positive in helping Gueye, Amavi and Ayew settle in from the French league to the BPL as he did once upon a time so the proposed move isnt without merit.

I guess a season long loan limits the risk for us but it isnt as if we have a squad of young pros in needs of experienced heads. We have become the last chance saloon for top division football for too many - Senderos, Cole, Richardson, Hutton, Richards, Nzogbia, Gabby, even Sinclair wont get a chance in the top division again if he flops with us. Also Adebayor is very much a short term signing to replace Benteke, would have thought our succession planning was much more advanced than that for CB.

We still need a left sided midfielder to replace Delph and right back to replace Hutton. Our current right sided centre half options of Okore, Richards and Senderos dont fill me with much confidence either.

I'm writing this as someone who's not much of a fan as Adebeyor but I think you're being a bit dismissive.

Based on a quick whizz around the internet (OK Wikipedia), as you correctly say 07/08 was his best season scoring 30 goals in 48 appearances.

The following season he scored 16 in 37 (so pretty much what Benteke managed for us last season) having spent 2 months out injured in the middle of the season and missing the last couple of games at the end of the season.

That summer he moved to Man City. They (Mark Hughes) offered the money, not Wenger doing incredibly well to get the money, £25M, for him.
Hughes got the boot in December of that year with Mancini coming in.  He scored 14 in 31 appearances.

Following season, barely picked by Mancini scored 5 in 14. (4 in 6 in Europa League) before Christmas and loaned out to Real Madrid in the January window.
Half season in Madrid he scored 8 in 22

Following season loaned out to Spurs with Redknapp as manager he scores 18 in 37.
Signed a permament deal with Spurs for the 2012/13 season under Villas-Boas. Scored 8 in 34 - his worst return.
Following season 14 in 25, mostly after Sherwood took over.
Last season 2 in 10 for Pochettino.

So no, he's never hit the heights of that 07/08 season with Arsenal, but who has? Since then, to me, it looks like if he's playing for a manager where he feels "wanted" for want of a better expression, he knocks them in at somewhere between 1 in 2 and 2 in 5.

If you want better than that, you'd better hope they've got a release clause at around £30M otherwise you talking trading in the rest of the squad.

I can't be bothered to research it more than the PL Top Scorers lists, but since 07/08 where he scored 24 goals, the only players to beat that mark are
07/08 - Ronaldo & Torres.
08/09 - No one Anelka top scorer for Chelsea with 19.
09/10 - Drogba & Rooney - Bent equalled the 24 goals for Sunderland.
10/11 - No one. Berbatov and Tevez joint highest with 20 each.
11/12 - van Persie & Rooney
12/13 - van Persie & Suarez
13/14 - Suarez
14/15 - Aguero.

Complaining he's never repeated it is a bit like complaining Andy Murray has only won Wimbledon once whilst Federer, Nadal and Djokovic have been creaming the titles in.

He might not be at the absolute highest level, but on his day he can match anyone and his normal level is plenty good enough in the vast majority of cases.

I think his ability is there for all to see, but I do question his attitude, as in when he's having those leaner patches, for whatever reason, does he work hard to overcome it and earn his place or get a little petulant.  Hence a loan is minimum risk of getting saddled with another high earning non- performer.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passport1 on July 27, 2015, 08:47:25 PM

I read somewhere on here yesterday that Ayew was the Ghanaian Ballotelli and elsewhere that Adebayor has had 'off the field issues'.

I suspect that this season will resemble a soap opera whereas last season was Greek tradgedy.

Not sure which is worse.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on July 27, 2015, 09:16:41 PM

http://www.tiinews.com/aston-villa-linked-with-danny-welbeck.html (http://www.tiinews.com/aston-villa-linked-with-danny-welbeck.html)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Louzie0 on July 27, 2015, 09:19:30 PM

Quote from: supertom on July 27, 2015, 09:16:41 PM

http://www.tiinews.com/aston-villa-linked-with-danny-welbeck.html (http://www.tiinews.com/aston-villa-linked-with-danny-welbeck.html)

Exciting news. Great article!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 27, 2015, 09:37:15 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 27, 2015, 07:05:03 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on July 27, 2015, 06:16:39 PM

To be honest I think Adebayor has lived off his 07/08 season at Arsenal for most of his career. Wenger did incredibly well to get such huge money for him but he has only had 2 seasons in his entire career where he has scored more than 15 league goals. The hope would be that he would be a John Carew type cult hero for the club but Carew was a few years younger when he joined us. You would hope he could be a positive in helping Gueye, Amavi and Ayew settle in from the French league to the BPL as he did once upon a time so the proposed move isnt without merit.

I guess a season long loan limits the risk for us but it isnt as if we have a squad of young pros in needs of experienced heads. We have become the last chance saloon for top division football for too many - Senderos, Cole, Richardson, Hutton, Richards, Nzogbia, Gabby, even Sinclair wont get a chance in the top division again if he flops with us. Also Adebayor is very much a short term signing to replace Benteke, would have thought our succession planning was much more advanced than that for CB.

We still need a left sided midfielder to replace Delph and right back to replace Hutton. Our current right sided centre half options of Okore, Richards and Senderos dont fill me with much confidence either.

I'm writing this as someone who's not much of a fan as Adebeyor but I think you're being a bit dismissive.

Based on a quick whizz around the internet (OK Wikipedia), as you correctly say 07/08 was his best season scoring 30 goals in 48 appearances.

The following season he scored 16 in 37 (so pretty much what Benteke managed for us last season) having spent 2 months out injured in the middle of the season and missing the last couple of games at the end of the season.

That summer he moved to Man City. They (Mark Hughes) offered the money, not Wenger doing incredibly well to get the money, £25M, for him.
Hughes got the boot in December of that year with Mancini coming in.  He scored 14 in 31 appearances.

Following season, barely picked by Mancini scored 5 in 14. (4 in 6 in Europa League) before Christmas and loaned out to Real Madrid in the January window.
Half season in Madrid he scored 8 in 22

Following season loaned out to Spurs with Redknapp as manager he scores 18 in 37.
Signed a permament deal with Spurs for the 2012/13 season under Villas-Boas. Scored 8 in 34 - his worst return.
Following season 14 in 25, mostly after Sherwood took over.
Last season 2 in 10 for Pochettino.

So no, he's never hit the heights of that 07/08 season with Arsenal, but who has? Since then, to me, it looks like if he's playing for a manager where he feels "wanted" for want of a better expression, he knocks them in at somewhere between 1 in 2 and 2 in 5.

If you want better than that, you'd better hope they've got a release clause at around £30M otherwise you talking trading in the rest of the squad.

I can't be bothered to research it more than the PL Top Scorers lists, but since 07/08 where he scored 24 goals, the only players to beat that mark are
07/08 - Ronaldo & Torres.
08/09 - No one Anelka top scorer for Chelsea with 19.
09/10 - Drogba & Rooney - Bent equalled the 24 goals for Sunderland.
10/11 - No one. Berbatov and Tevez joint highest with 20 each.
11/12 - van Persie & Rooney
12/13 - van Persie & Suarez
13/14 - Suarez
14/15 - Aguero.

Complaining he's never repeated it is a bit like complaining Andy Murray has only won Wimbledon once whilst Federer, Nadal and Djokovic have been creaming the titles in.

He might not be at the absolute highest level, but on his day he can match anyone and his normal level is plenty good enough in the vast majority of cases.

Excellent and informative post ViD.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 27, 2015, 09:41:20 PM

He's going to be turning 32 halfway through the season, though, and has well publicised off the pitch issues.

I'm fine with a loan for a season - so long as he's not the benteke replacement - but wouldn't go anywhere near a permanent deal.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 27, 2015, 09:49:21 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 27, 2015, 09:41:20 PM

He's going to be turning 32 halfway through the season, though, and has well publicised off the pitch issues.

I'm fine with a loan for a season - so long as he's not the benteke replacement - but wouldn't go anywhere near a permanent deal.

I'd probably agree with that.

The only way I'd think a permanent deal would be remotely sensible would be a 2 year deal, if we could get him for at most a nominal fee with him accepting a sensible wage package.

So no bleeding chance then.

The above was really just to refute that he's shot/shit because he's never repeated 07/08.  As I said I'm not a fan, but if Sherwood is convinced he can get something reasonable out of him, then fair enough.

My biggest concern with Adebeyor, or anyone of similar physique, is that we get tempted to play hoofball as we have done at times with Benteke, but with someone who isn't as good as Benteke.
On the flip side, he can be a big, nasty bastard when he wants to be.  Ideal for playing the likes of Stoke and whoever Pulis is coaching at the time.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 27, 2015, 10:41:29 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 27, 2015, 07:10:51 PM

Logic Remy? Sounds like a cartoon character

Virgil van dijk, probably a character for older audiences

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 27, 2015, 10:49:41 PM

They at stoke signed Ibrahim afellay I wish villa took him !! I think he could have rekindled his career at villa worth a shout and stoke seem to have some attacking intent. I hope  we get back to that level and the signings we bring in could very well be great business. Gueye is like ramires. Ayew like Mane. So not all bad . hopefully amvai is like evra and david alaba and crespo like zabelleta . Cud  say andy robertson and and Glenn Johnson would have been just as effective. However lets trust Sherwood . Richards can be like the captain

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 27, 2015, 10:51:32 PM

Glenn Johnson is an absolute cesspit of a player.

He's absolutely fucking awful.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 27, 2015, 10:54:02 PM

Stoke must have an interesting wage bill at the moment. Doesn't Hughes come with about 17 extras too?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: wozwebs on July 27, 2015, 10:57:57 PM

Another Jordan linked, Jordan Veretout, midfielder Arsenal were after last year. French press saying deal done.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 27, 2015, 10:58:59 PM

Run by bet 365 they get some good deals. Can't we get a bookies to back us surely there's a vested interest. Yes Johnson is only okay but crespo at 28 can't be amazing can he? I hope

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 27, 2015, 11:00:18 PM

Seems to have been broken by Pascal Praud, who is a journalist from Nantes, and appears from his history to have pretty close links with the club. Also, seems to be a very, very highly rated player, and would be a pretty big signing.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 27, 2015, 11:06:24 PM

Quote from: wozwebs on July 27, 2015, 10:57:57 PM

Another Jordan linked, Jordan Veretout, midfielder Arsenal were after last year. French press saying deal done.

Just comes up with liverpool and spurs links on google.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 27, 2015, 11:07:40 PM

Quote from: wozwebs on July 27, 2015, 10:57:57 PM

Another Jordan linked, Jordan Veretout, midfielder Arsenal were after last year. French press saying deal done.

French revolution !! Charles nzogbia can bievenue them
Newcastle were previously doing a lot of french business including french Africans  nd now seems villa are . I hope ours are from same pool as arsenal links means they are more up coming like Wenger's gems . cisse, sissoko were two success as was cabaye but likes of santon failed so w see how villa boys do

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 27, 2015, 11:09:10 PM

Quote from: wozwebs on July 27, 2015, 10:57:57 PM

Another Jordan linked, Jordan Veretout, midfielder Arsenal were after last year.

Just seen that. The initial link seems to have come from a French journalist called Pascal Praud, but there's also a French Football correspondent called Andrew Gibney tweeting about it. He reckons this Veretout is a bit special.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 27, 2015, 11:09:12 PM

Just had a quick look at Veretout on the old YouTube  shiz. He does look a prospect. It's a yes from me!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 27, 2015, 11:14:09 PM

I wonder how ligue 1 clubs compare to prem league and these players make a success

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 27, 2015, 11:18:34 PM

After years if pretty sedate transfer windows, I'm struggling to keep up with this one!!  It's raining money in B6!!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 27, 2015, 11:20:20 PM

An interesting read on him, albeit from last year...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/arsenal-target-jordan-veretout-undoubtedly-4869696

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 27, 2015, 11:37:35 PM

One French journo was saying it looked to be a done deal, "a priori". I can't remember precisely what that means - is it on the face of it?

I thought he'd be going somewhere better than us - he's been linked w Spurs and Liverpool.

Would be sexy times if he turns up. We're going to have to give all our Jordans a nick name each though

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: CJ on July 27, 2015, 11:48:33 PM

At this rate when the teams are announced for the Manure game we'll all be shouting "who?" when they read out our players

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 27, 2015, 11:51:05 PM

Quote from: CJ on July 27, 2015, 11:48:33 PM

At this rate when the teams are announced for the Manure game we'll all be shouting "who?" when they read out our players

While the 10,000-strong French contingent in the crowd will be cheering.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on July 27, 2015, 11:53:19 PM

Or shrugging their shoulders and treating the whole experience with contempt.

They'll be right at home in the Trinity.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 28, 2015, 12:00:28 AM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 27, 2015, 11:51:05 PM

Quote from: CJ on July 27, 2015, 11:48:33 PM

At this rate when the teams are announced for the Manure game we'll all be shouting "who?" when they read out our players

While the 10,000-strong French contingent in the crowd will be cheering.

"Allez les Claret et Bleus"

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 28, 2015, 12:02:19 AM

NZogbia has removed all Villa references from his twitter bio. Wonder where he is off. His last couple of tweets have been fairly cryptic too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: D.boy on July 28, 2015, 12:04:07 AM

Viva le Villa!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 28, 2015, 12:07:03 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 28, 2015, 12:02:19 AM

NZogbia has removed all Villa references from his twitter bio. Wonder where he is off. His last couple of tweets have been fairly cryptic too.

Maybe he didn't like Sherwood's comment about players being happy to sit back and receive their salary.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Louzie0 on July 28, 2015, 12:07:52 AM

Quote from: tomd2103 on July 28, 2015, 12:00:28 AM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 27, 2015, 11:51:05 PM

Quote from: CJ on July 27, 2015, 11:48:33 PM

At this rate when the teams are announced for the Manure game we'll all be shouting "who?" when they read out our players

While the 10,000-strong French contingent in the crowd will be cheering.

"Allez les Claret et Bleus"

'Va va vous vauriens'?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on July 28, 2015, 12:16:49 AM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 27, 2015, 07:05:03 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on July 27, 2015, 06:16:39 PM

To be honest I think Adebayor has lived off his 07/08 season at Arsenal for most of his career. Wenger did incredibly well to get such huge money for him but he has only had 2 seasons in his entire career where he has scored more than 15 league goals. The hope would be that he would be a John Carew type cult hero for the club but Carew was a few years younger when he joined us. You would hope he could be a positive in helping Gueye, Amavi and Ayew settle in from the French league to the BPL as he did once upon a time so the proposed move isnt without merit.

I guess a season long loan limits the risk for us but it isnt as if we have a squad of young pros in needs of experienced heads. We have become the last chance saloon for top division football for too many - Senderos, Cole, Richardson, Hutton, Richards, Nzogbia, Gabby, even Sinclair wont get a chance in the top division again if he flops with us. Also Adebayor is very much a short term signing to replace Benteke, would have thought our succession planning was much more advanced than that for CB.

We still need a left sided midfielder to replace Delph and right back to replace Hutton. Our current right sided centre half options of Okore, Richards and Senderos dont fill me with much confidence either.

I'm writing this as someone who's not much of a fan as Adebeyor but I think you're being a bit dismissive.

Based on a quick whizz around the internet (OK Wikipedia), as you correctly say 07/08 was his best season scoring 30 goals in 48 appearances.

The following season he scored 16 in 37 (so pretty much what Benteke managed for us last season) having spent 2 months out injured in the middle of the season and missing the last couple of games at the end of the season.

That summer he moved to Man City. They (Mark Hughes) offered the money, not Wenger doing incredibly well to get the money, £25M, for him.
Hughes got the boot in December of that year with Mancini coming in.  He scored 14 in 31 appearances.

Following season, barely picked by Mancini scored 5 in 14. (4 in 6 in Europa League) before Christmas and loaned out to Real Madrid in the January window.
Half season in Madrid he scored 8 in 22

Following season loaned out to Spurs with Redknapp as manager he scores 18 in 37.
Signed a permament deal with Spurs for the 2012/13 season under Villas-Boas. Scored 8 in 34 - his worst return.
Following season 14 in 25, mostly after Sherwood took over.
Last season 2 in 10 for Pochettino.

So no, he's never hit the heights of that 07/08 season with Arsenal, but who has? Since then, to me, it looks like if he's playing for a manager where he feels "wanted" for want of a better expression, he knocks them in at somewhere between 1 in 2 and 2 in 5.

If you want better than that, you'd better hope they've got a release clause at around £30M otherwise you talking trading in the rest of the squad.

I can't be bothered to research it more than the PL Top Scorers lists, but since 07/08 where he scored 24 goals, the only players to beat that mark are
07/08 - Ronaldo & Torres.
08/09 - No one Anelka top scorer for Chelsea with 19.
09/10 - Drogba & Rooney - Bent equalled the 24 goals for Sunderland.
10/11 - No one. Berbatov and Tevez joint highest with 20 each.
11/12 - van Persie & Rooney
12/13 - van Persie & Suarez
13/14 - Suarez
14/15 - Aguero.

Complaining he's never repeated it is a bit like complaining Andy Murray has only won Wimbledon once whilst Federer, Nadal and Djokovic have been creaming the titles in.

He might not be at the absolute highest level, but on his day he can match anyone and his normal level is plenty good enough in the vast majority of cases.

The 07/08 scoring burst, where Arsenal blew the league if I recall, was an outlier really in his career. Threatened to be good at times but never consistently enough for any of the decent sides he was at. City and now Spurs are now having serious issues getting rid of him, offering a permanent deal in those circumstances would be crazy.

The Benteke comparison is absurd too, Benteke had the likes of Holman, Weimann and Gabby hitting balls in his general direction for the past few seasons, Adebayor had the likes of Bale, Aguero, Nasri, Fabregas etc as teammates for the past ten years at decent sides playing attacking football.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 28, 2015, 12:23:54 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 27, 2015, 11:37:35 PM

One French journo was saying it looked to be a done deal, "a priori". I can't remember precisely what that means - is it on the face of it?

I thought he'd be going somewhere better than us - he's been linked w Spurs and Liverpool.

Would be sexy times if he turns up. We're going to have to give all our Jordans a nick name each though

Just a thought, though, perhaps the whole point of that tweet, and the "on the fact of it" thing, was just a joke about the fact we've just bought two Jordans from Ligue 1?

Possible risk of carried-awayage here.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 28, 2015, 12:47:00 AM

I reckon that could be fairly close to the truth of it all Paulie.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on July 28, 2015, 06:31:25 AM

Quick search more Jordans in Lique 1 via google.

http://www.ligue1.com/joueur/amavi-jordan
http://www.ligue1.com/joueur/marie-jordan
http://www.ligue1.com/joueur/ikoko-jordan
http://www.ligue1.com/joueur/ferri-jordan

Just incase ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 28, 2015, 06:44:13 AM

It's running as a headline in Le Parisien now. Though my a level French suggests the content is more suggestive that we're making an offer rather than he's agreed to come

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 28, 2015, 06:46:13 AM

a lot of big clubs coveted Amavi and Gueye so is it outlandish to think we could snag the latest Jordan ahead of others?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 28, 2015, 06:58:39 AM

The stuff I read suggested his best form to date was as a no 10. He'll fit in here then. Gil, grealish and ayew all seemingly best playing off a centre forward

What formation will we play? 421111?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 28, 2015, 07:16:02 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 28, 2015, 12:02:19 AM

NZogbia has removed all Villa references from his twitter bio. Wonder where he is off. His last couple of tweets have been fairly cryptic too.

I do hope he is off and we manage to get an half decent fee for him. We were robbed of £10m.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Concrete John on July 28, 2015, 07:16:14 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 28, 2015, 06:58:39 AM

The stuff I read suggested his best form to date was as a no 10. He'll fit in here then. Gil, grealish and ayew all seemingly best playing off a centre forward

What formation will we play? 421111?

He sounds like a Delph replacement to me, so think he'll fit in deeper than a number 10 and/or Ayew, who I can see playing wide of a central striker.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on July 28, 2015, 07:26:49 AM

Quote from: Clampy on July 28, 2015, 07:16:02 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 28, 2015, 12:02:19 AM

NZogbia has removed all Villa references from his twitter bio. Wonder where he is off. His last couple of tweets have been fairly cryptic too.

I do hope he is off and we manage to get an half decent fee for him. We were robbed of £10m.

If we get rid of him it would be as good as having a new signing
We would be playing with 11 players on the pitch rather than 10

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 28, 2015, 07:36:25 AM

More in the express this morning

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/594275/President-Nantes-Premier-League-talks-Liverpool-Aston-Villa-target-Jordan-Veretout

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: nick harper on July 28, 2015, 07:57:38 AM

Haven't looked back on the thread so apologies if already mentioned but The Times are suggesting Baker's off to Burnley for £2m.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ian. on July 28, 2015, 08:02:18 AM

I hope not, I like Baker.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 28, 2015, 08:10:05 AM

Yeah for £2m I'd keep baker. I'm really impressed with how we're going about our business given the massive challenges we faced when our spine left

But you do need a spine, and character and experience. That's looking pretty weak now. Richards and Clark will be crucial. Westwood will have to step up. Adebayor could either be a great help or an utter disaster. Get off to a good start and it'll probably be fine. But I don't want to turn into Newcastle "stepping stone" United.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Concrete John on July 28, 2015, 08:25:00 AM

If we're keeping Senderos, then that's 5 CBs, so I suppose losing Baker doesn't really leave that big a hole in the squad as he's presently our 4th choice for that position.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SashasGrandad on July 28, 2015, 08:29:14 AM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on July 28, 2015, 06:31:25 AM

Quick search more Jordans in Lique 1 via google.

http://www.ligue1.com/joueur/amavi-jordan
http://www.ligue1.com/joueur/marie-jordan
http://www.ligue1.com/joueur/ikoko-jordan
http://www.ligue1.com/joueur/ferri-jordan

Just incase ;)

All these Jordans we might bring in. And all we want is a massive pair up front. That will catch the eye, and keep many people happy.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tayls_7 on July 28, 2015, 08:33:57 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on July 28, 2015, 08:25:00 AM

If we're keeping Senderos, then that's 5 CBs, so I suppose losing Baker doesn't really leave that big a hole in the squad as he's presently our 4th choice for that position.

Surely the rational decision would be to shed the older, more fragile Senderos and keep Baker? Hope that's nonsense, particularily at 2 million.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 28, 2015, 08:35:22 AM

Of the two, I'd keep Baker. Senderos has hardly shown his face for the past year.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 28, 2015, 08:36:07 AM

Quote from: nick harper on July 28, 2015, 07:57:38 AM

Haven't looked back on the thread so apologies if already mentioned but The Times are suggesting Baker's off to Burnley for £2m.

If true, I think it is for the best.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villasjf on July 28, 2015, 08:39:09 AM

Quote from: tomd2103 on July 28, 2015, 08:36:07 AM

Quote from: nick harper on July 28, 2015, 07:57:38 AM

Haven't looked back on the thread so apologies if already mentioned but The Times are suggesting Baker's off to Burnley for £2m.

If true, I think it is for the best.

I think we should stick with him for a while he has really improved physically this last 12 months, his injuries are because he goes in where it hurts.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Concrete John on July 28, 2015, 08:40:55 AM

Quote from: Tayls_7 on July 28, 2015, 08:33:57 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on July 28, 2015, 08:25:00 AM

If we're keeping Senderos, then that's 5 CBs, so I suppose losing Baker doesn't really leave that big a hole in the squad as he's presently our 4th choice for that position.

Surely the rational decision would be to shed the older, more fragile Senderos and keep Baker? Hope that's nonsense, particularily at 2 million.

If anyone would take him, then I'd agree with you.  Baker will probably need to be moved on eventually if we're to progress as a side.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 28, 2015, 08:42:12 AM

I also like Baker.   At a critical period in his development he was pitched into relegation dogfights with ever changing defensive formations and multi injury prone defenders around him.   How a waste of space, waste of money player like Charles N'Zogbia can get as much opportunity to prove himself and others get so little is one of the many things in recent Villa times which must be addressed and corrected.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 28, 2015, 08:50:45 AM

It would be a shame to lose Baker although he does pick up a lot of niggly injuries. Him and Clark have improved a lot over the last season or two.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on July 28, 2015, 08:56:06 AM

Quote from: Tayls_7 on July 28, 2015, 08:33:57 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on July 28, 2015, 08:25:00 AM

If we're keeping Senderos, then that's 5 CBs, so I suppose losing Baker doesn't really leave that big a hole in the squad as he's presently our 4th choice for that position.

Surely the rational decision would be to shed the older, more fragile Senderos and keep Baker? Hope that's nonsense, particularily at 2 million.

Whilst Baker is hardly 'fragile' because of how he puts himself in harms way, he has been consistently injured/unavailable for a couple of years. I like him but he is down the pecking order and not looking likely to develop, so probably for the best he moves on.

Plus, the twitter account @whispers_listen has it that he is sixth or seventh choice and has been told he should find another club. Normally I'm not convinced at all by 'ITK' sources but at the moment this one is getting things right and before other sources - for example, the recent recruitment of the French Foreign Legion.

Some of the tweets were posted on here the other day - names of those being touted (including Hutton and Guzan) and those that should definitely find another club (Baker included). It might be wishful thinking but they also say that Charles N'Zog is on his way - Thursday at the latest or earlier if he agrees terms.

Having thought I would not post on here all the stuff from that twitter feed - another nugget (?) Vlaar still has an offer of a pay as you play deal - and it will remain in place until he finds another club. If that is true that would be sensible for the club and him. UTV.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 28, 2015, 08:58:27 AM

Quote from: brontebilly on July 28, 2015, 12:16:49 AM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 27, 2015, 07:05:03 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on July 27, 2015, 06:16:39 PM

To be honest I think Adebayor has lived off his 07/08 season at Arsenal for most of his career. Wenger did incredibly well to get such huge money for him but he has only had 2 seasons in his entire career where he has scored more than 15 league goals. The hope would be that he would be a John Carew type cult hero for the club but Carew was a few years younger when he joined us. You would hope he could be a positive in helping Gueye, Amavi and Ayew settle in from the French league to the BPL as he did once upon a time so the proposed move isnt without merit.

I guess a season long loan limits the risk for us but it isnt as if we have a squad of young pros in needs of experienced heads. We have become the last chance saloon for top division football for too many - Senderos, Cole, Richardson, Hutton, Richards, Nzogbia, Gabby, even Sinclair wont get a chance in the top division again if he flops with us. Also Adebayor is very much a short term signing to replace Benteke, would have thought our succession planning was much more advanced than that for CB.

We still need a left sided midfielder to replace Delph and right back to replace Hutton. Our current right sided centre half options of Okore, Richards and Senderos dont fill me with much confidence either.

I'm writing this as someone who's not much of a fan as Adebeyor but I think you're being a bit dismissive.

Based on a quick whizz around the internet (OK Wikipedia), as you correctly say 07/08 was his best season scoring 30 goals in 48 appearances.

The following season he scored 16 in 37 (so pretty much what Benteke managed for us last season) having spent 2 months out injured in the middle of the season and missing the last couple of games at the end of the season.

That summer he moved to Man City. They (Mark Hughes) offered the money, not Wenger doing incredibly well to get the money, £25M, for him.
Hughes got the boot in December of that year with Mancini coming in.  He scored 14 in 31 appearances.

Following season, barely picked by Mancini scored 5 in 14. (4 in 6 in Europa League) before Christmas and loaned out to Real Madrid in the January window.
Half season in Madrid he scored 8 in 22

Following season loaned out to Spurs with Redknapp as manager he scores 18 in 37.
Signed a permament deal with Spurs for the 2012/13 season under Villas-Boas. Scored 8 in 34 - his worst return.
Following season 14 in 25, mostly after Sherwood took over.
Last season 2 in 10 for Pochettino.

So no, he's never hit the heights of that 07/08 season with Arsenal, but who has? Since then, to me, it looks like if he's playing for a manager where he feels "wanted" for want of a better expression, he knocks them in at somewhere between 1 in 2 and 2 in 5.

If you want better than that, you'd better hope they've got a release clause at around £30M otherwise you talking trading in the rest of the squad.

I can't be bothered to research it more than the PL Top Scorers lists, but since 07/08 where he scored 24 goals, the only players to beat that mark are
07/08 - Ronaldo & Torres.
08/09 - No one Anelka top scorer for Chelsea with 19.
09/10 - Drogba & Rooney - Bent equalled the 24 goals for Sunderland.
10/11 - No one. Berbatov and Tevez joint highest with 20 each.
11/12 - van Persie & Rooney
12/13 - van Persie & Suarez
13/14 - Suarez
14/15 - Aguero.

Complaining he's never repeated it is a bit like complaining Andy Murray has only won Wimbledon once whilst Federer, Nadal and Djokovic have been creaming the titles in.

He might not be at the absolute highest level, but on his day he can match anyone and his normal level is plenty good enough in the vast majority of cases.

1The 07/08 scoring burst, where Arsenal blew the league if I recall, was an outlier really in his career. Threatened to be good at times but never consistently enough for any of the decent sides he was at. City and now Spurs are now having serious issues getting rid of him, offering a permanent deal in those circumstances would be crazy.

2The Benteke comparison is absurd too, Benteke had the likes of Holman, Weimann and Gabby hitting balls in his general direction for the past few seasons, Adebayor had the likes of Bale, Aguero, Nasri, Fabregas etc as teammates for the past ten years at decent sides playing attacking football.

1. At which point do I suggest giving him a permanent deal.  I'm merely arguing that such a naysayer approach is not fair to his overall record.  I've said elsewhere (probably on another thread) that either a loan deal or maybe a 2 year contract on sensible wages would be the only sensible deals for us, and option 2 ain't happening (him accepting sensible wages at least)

2. I'm not saying he's as good as Benteke, quite the opposite.  I'm saying that if you want an upgrade on what he can offer when on form, then you're looking at trying to pick up someone like Benteke.  And for the record, the points in time when Benteke has been most prolific have been those periods where have played exactly the style of football you mention, albeit with less gifted players.

When we've just hoofed the ball long to him, he's looked marginally more effective than Grant Holt.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 28, 2015, 09:00:26 AM

Quote from: Clampy on July 28, 2015, 08:50:45 AM

It would be a shame to lose Baker although he does pick up a lot of niggly injuries. Him and Clark have improved a lot over the last season or two.

.....to the point where when Baker went off in the semi, I thought we were fooked.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 28, 2015, 09:13:04 AM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 28, 2015, 08:58:27 AM

Quote from: brontebilly on July 28, 2015, 12:16:49 AM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 27, 2015, 07:05:03 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on July 27, 2015, 06:16:39 PM

To be honest I think Adebayor has lived off his 07/08 season at Arsenal for most of his career. Wenger did incredibly well to get such huge money for him but he has only had 2 seasons in his entire career where he has scored more than 15 league goals. The hope would be that he would be a John Carew type cult hero for the club but Carew was a few years younger when he joined us. You would hope he could be a positive in helping Gueye, Amavi and Ayew settle in from the French league to the BPL as he did once upon a time so the proposed move isnt without merit.

I guess a season long loan limits the risk for us but it isnt as if we have a squad of young pros in needs of experienced heads. We have become the last chance saloon for top division football for too many - Senderos, Cole, Richardson, Hutton, Richards, Nzogbia, Gabby, even Sinclair wont get a chance in the top division again if he flops with us. Also Adebayor is very much a short term signing to replace Benteke, would have thought our succession planning was much more advanced than that for CB.

We still need a left sided midfielder to replace Delph and right back to replace Hutton. Our current right sided centre half options of Okore, Richards and Senderos dont fill me with much confidence either.

I'm writing this as someone who's not much of a fan as Adebeyor but I think you're being a bit dismissive.

Based on a quick whizz around the internet (OK Wikipedia), as you correctly say 07/08 was his best season scoring 30 goals in 48 appearances.

The following season he scored 16 in 37 (so pretty much what Benteke managed for us last season) having spent 2 months out injured in the middle of the season and missing the last couple of games at the end of the season.

That summer he moved to Man City. They (Mark Hughes) offered the money, not Wenger doing incredibly well to get the money, £25M, for him.
Hughes got the boot in December of that year with Mancini coming in.  He scored 14 in 31 appearances.

Following season, barely picked by Mancini scored 5 in 14. (4 in 6 in Europa League) before Christmas and loaned out to Real Madrid in the January window.
Half season in Madrid he scored 8 in 22

Following season loaned out to Spurs with Redknapp as manager he scores 18 in 37.
Signed a permament deal with Spurs for the 2012/13 season under Villas-Boas. Scored 8 in 34 - his worst return.
Following season 14 in 25, mostly after Sherwood took over.
Last season 2 in 10 for Pochettino.

So no, he's never hit the heights of that 07/08 season with Arsenal, but who has? Since then, to me, it looks like if he's playing for a manager where he feels "wanted" for want of a better expression, he knocks them in at somewhere between 1 in 2 and 2 in 5.

If you want better than that, you'd better hope they've got a release clause at around £30M otherwise you talking trading in the rest of the squad.

I can't be bothered to research it more than the PL Top Scorers lists, but since 07/08 where he scored 24 goals, the only players to beat that mark are
07/08 - Ronaldo & Torres.
08/09 - No one Anelka top scorer for Chelsea with 19.
09/10 - Drogba & Rooney - Bent equalled the 24 goals for Sunderland.
10/11 - No one. Berbatov and Tevez joint highest with 20 each.
11/12 - van Persie & Rooney
12/13 - van Persie & Suarez
13/14 - Suarez
14/15 - Aguero.

Complaining he's never repeated it is a bit like complaining Andy Murray has only won Wimbledon once whilst Federer, Nadal and Djokovic have been creaming the titles in.

He might not be at the absolute highest level, but on his day he can match anyone and his normal level is plenty good enough in the vast majority of cases.

1The 07/08 scoring burst, where Arsenal blew the league if I recall, was an outlier really in his career. Threatened to be good at times but never consistently enough for any of the decent sides he was at. City and now Spurs are now having serious issues getting rid of him, offering a permanent deal in those circumstances would be crazy.

2The Benteke comparison is absurd too, Benteke had the likes of Holman, Weimann and Gabby hitting balls in his general direction for the past few seasons, Adebayor had the likes of Bale, Aguero, Nasri, Fabregas etc as teammates for the past ten years at decent sides playing attacking football.

1. At which point do I suggest giving him a permanent deal.  I'm merely arguing that such a naysayer approach is not fair to his overall record.  I've said elsewhere (probably on another thread) that either a loan deal or maybe a 2 year contract on sensible wages would be the only sensible deals for us, and option 2 ain't happening (him accepting sensible wages at least)

2. I'm not saying he's as good as Benteke, quite the opposite.  I'm saying that if you want an upgrade on what he can offer when on form, then you're looking at trying to pick up someone like Benteke.  And for the record, the points in time when Benteke has been most prolific have been those periods where have played exactly the style of football you mention, albeit with less gifted players.

When we've just hoofed the ball long to him, he's looked marginally more effective than Grant Holt.

Wow, that's a seriously long nesting.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 28, 2015, 09:15:42 AM

I'd be sorry to see Baker go - local lad, all blood and thunder at times, throwing himself into the fray, literally! If a move elsewhere is right for his career, and Burnley seem to be a well-run club, he has my blessing.
Senderos is at the wrong end of his career to be injured as much as he is - almost the whole of last season - so I see no point in keeping him.
James Chester would be a good buy for us at CB.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 28, 2015, 09:16:37 AM

I've been arguing that we don't need any more central defenders, as we have five. However, I really don't think we should be letting any go, unless we plan to replace them or Tim has spotted a potential star in the youth/under-21 set up.

Four central defenders with an unblemished injury record would be enough. Four central defenders who have spent more time receiving treatment than Michael Jackson wouldn't be.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 28, 2015, 09:24:12 AM

Quote from: Russ aka Big Nose on July 28, 2015, 08:56:06 AM

Quote from: Tayls_7 on July 28, 2015, 08:33:57 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on July 28, 2015, 08:25:00 AM

If we're keeping Senderos, then that's 5 CBs, so I suppose losing Baker doesn't really leave that big a hole in the squad as he's presently our 4th choice for that position.

Surely the rational decision would be to shed the older, more fragile Senderos and keep Baker? Hope that's nonsense, particularily at 2 million.

Whilst Baker is hardly 'fragile' because of how he puts himself in harms way, he has been consistently injured/unavailable for a couple of years. I like him but he is down the pecking order and not looking likely to develop, so probably for the best he moves on.

Based on what? That he's improved enormously over the last two years, so now that must be it?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 28, 2015, 09:37:47 AM

Seriously who would actually buy NZogbia?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on July 28, 2015, 09:38:40 AM

Quote from: Lastfootstamper on July 28, 2015, 09:24:12 AM

Quote from: Russ aka Big Nose on July 28, 2015, 08:56:06 AM

Quote from: Tayls_7 on July 28, 2015, 08:33:57 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on July 28, 2015, 08:25:00 AM

If we're keeping Senderos, then that's 5 CBs, so I suppose losing Baker doesn't really leave that big a hole in the squad as he's presently our 4th choice for that position.

Surely the rational decision would be to shed the older, more fragile Senderos and keep Baker? Hope that's nonsense, particularily at 2 million.

Whilst Baker is hardly 'fragile' because of how he puts himself in harms way, he has been consistently injured/unavailable for a couple of years. I like him but he is down the pecking order and not looking likely to develop, so probably for the best he moves on.

Based on what? That he's improved enormously over the last two years, so now that must be it?

We might disagree, but I don't think he has developed in the last two years. It has been tough given the constant changes but his positional sense is still not great, he is still prone to a rash tackle and his distribution is limited. He is good in the air, committed, brave (in that his face is often a magnet for the ball) and he seems a decent bloke and local(ish) from Worcester. However, I can't see that he has improved to any great extent given the games he has played.

I know with consistent selection and a settled back four it might be different but if he was genuinely going to step up then I think we should have seen more from him. We have had signs of that from Clark. If we can find another CB (on the right deal) that is an upgrade on Baker and Senderos then I would move both on - though with Baker it would be with some regret that he didn't make it at Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 28, 2015, 09:51:04 AM

I like Baker.

He definitely shows promise and isn't scared to throw himself around if he needs to. It is just a shame that he is stuck in a situation where he picks up a lot of injuries and never really gets the chance to stake a claim to be first choice.

If I were him, I'd see Burnley as a good option. Go somewhere like that where they will (with parachute money) be competitive, start long runs of games for the first time in his career, and then get back into the top flight, either with them or another club.

If you leave the injury record to one side, he's sort of too good to be fifth choice but not likely to get a chance to prove himself as a first choice.

Some of these players we are moving on, I don't really think have ever shown they have enough to become PL regulars, but I think Baker does have it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Joshua Fineman on July 28, 2015, 09:51:57 AM

Quote from: Hookeysmith on July 28, 2015, 09:37:47 AM

Seriously who would actually buy NZogbia?

Fingers crossed someone does.  He must have just about done enough good stuff for a decent you tube video to be compiled?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on July 28, 2015, 09:55:08 AM

If there's one thing I dislike about Nathan Baker, it's his 50p head. Mind you, if my head had been kicked as many times as his, it would probably have a few interesting angles too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 28, 2015, 09:55:39 AM

Quote from: Joshua Fineman on July 28, 2015, 09:51:57 AM

Quote from: Hookeysmith on July 28, 2015, 09:37:47 AM

Seriously who would actually buy NZogbia?

Fingers crossed someone does.  He must have just about done enough good stuff for a decent you tube video to be compiled?

I can imagine the viewers, "yes, get Wigan on the phone, he looks decent"

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: DB on July 28, 2015, 10:04:01 AM

It's ok having 5, but we need more quality at CB.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 28, 2015, 10:14:31 AM

Quote from: Lastfootstamper on July 28, 2015, 09:24:12 AM

Quote from: Russ aka Big Nose on July 28, 2015, 08:56:06 AM

Quote from: Tayls_7 on July 28, 2015, 08:33:57 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on July 28, 2015, 08:25:00 AM

If we're keeping Senderos, then that's 5 CBs, so I suppose losing Baker doesn't really leave that big a hole in the squad as he's presently our 4th choice for that position.

Surely the rational decision would be to shed the older, more fragile Senderos and keep Baker? Hope that's nonsense, particularily at 2 million.

Whilst Baker is hardly 'fragile' because of how he puts himself in harms way, he has been consistently injured/unavailable for a couple of years. I like him but he is down the pecking order and not looking likely to develop, so probably for the best he moves on.

Based on what? That he's improved enormously over the last two years, so now that must be it?

He has improved, but still switches off or is caught out of position which usually results in a goal at the top level.  Case in point, the Burnley game at home last season.  He switched off twice and Ings scored and missed a great chance.  The fact he is not great in possession also goes against him. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 28, 2015, 10:34:47 AM

Baker has potential but is not the player to take us into Europe. Sometimes we need to be harsher, just because he's a local lad and all that does not make him good enough.  Better quality required, rather than quantity.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 28, 2015, 10:38:47 AM

Sorry but I agree that Baker isn't good enough. If we are going to improve and move up the table we will not still be using players of that standard. I'd like the 4 centre backs next season to be Richards, Clark, Okore and another new one.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 28, 2015, 10:39:41 AM

I thought baker was much improved last year. Not as much improved as Clark but a lot better

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 28, 2015, 10:49:27 AM

On the face of it, it seems harsh to sell Baker but we don't get to see the full picture until all deals are done. I doubt many people would complain if were able to uncover a gem who was good technically, not injury prone and anticipated things rather than being purely reactionary.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 28, 2015, 11:00:13 AM

I agree with everyone stating that Baker likes getting stuck in and flings himself about. It does look good, but isn't it a sign that he isn't that good? You shouldn't need to be getting into those situations if you had decent positional sense etc and therefore risking getting the injuries he gets. I don't think he helps himself.

I like Baker by the way. He has a good beard.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 28, 2015, 11:17:59 AM

Would prefer to sell senderos and keep baker, not that anyone would buy senderos

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villasjf on July 28, 2015, 11:29:28 AM

We now have 25 in the squad which includes Herd on the OS I guess Grealish doesnt count because of his wage and Bennett isnt listed so we still have to unload.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Proposition Joe on July 28, 2015, 11:34:06 AM

That Veretout guy coincidentally played against Bournemouth the other day, but didn't seem to have much of an impact:
http://www.fcnantes.com/articles/article2809.php?num=11455

But what did leave an impact on me is that high line from Bournemouth.  If we have enough pace in our front line I fancy us against that lot.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 28, 2015, 11:56:22 AM

Baker will never be capable at this level. If we can replace him with Crespo whilst making a profit at the same time, we should absolutely do it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Colhint on July 28, 2015, 12:22:02 PM

It's been pointed out to me , that Ray Wilkins last Job was coach to the Jordan national team

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 28, 2015, 12:24:31 PM

probs the only geezer not to score with Jordan

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Diablo on July 28, 2015, 12:36:27 PM

Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 28, 2015, 11:00:13 AM

I agree with everyone stating that Baker likes getting stuck in and flings himself about. It does look good, but isn't it a sign that he isn't that good? You shouldn't need to be getting into those situations if you had decent positional sense etc and therefore risking getting the injuries he gets. I don't think he helps himself.

I like Baker by the way. He has a good beard.

John Terry (regarded by many for great positional sense) still finds himself doing last gasp tackles at times and when he does he gets plaudits not criticism.

I'm not saying Baker is John Terry and I'm definitely, definitely, not saying I like John Terry.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: exigo on July 28, 2015, 12:49:18 PM

I do hope Paddy Reilly's coming back to B6 via a few days in Belgium. He's had a great trip so far, and he must have a few more gems to uncover.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 28, 2015, 12:58:27 PM

Quote from: Diablo on July 28, 2015, 12:36:27 PM

Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 28, 2015, 11:00:13 AM

I agree with everyone stating that Baker likes getting stuck in and flings himself about. It does look good, but isn't it a sign that he isn't that good? You shouldn't need to be getting into those situations if you had decent positional sense etc and therefore risking getting the injuries he gets. I don't think he helps himself.

I like Baker by the way. He has a good beard.

John Terry (regarded by many for great positional sense) still finds himself doing last gasp tackles at times and when he does he gets plaudits not criticism.

I'm not saying Baker is John Terry and I'm definitely, definitely, not saying I like John Terry.

Very rarely though.  Nathan Baker does a few every game and frequently injures himself in the process.  I would have no problem with him being 5th or 6th choice, but feel it might be better to sell him and give the next academy graduate a chance (Donacien maybe). 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 28, 2015, 01:00:23 PM

See the Boggies appear to be buying James Chester according to the Beeb - £8m

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 28, 2015, 01:02:01 PM

I'd prefer to get Clark to sign a new contract

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 28, 2015, 01:07:53 PM

Seem to becoming 'Aston Jordan Villa'.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 28, 2015, 01:17:59 PM

Quote from: Newby on July 28, 2015, 10:34:47 AM

Baker has potential but is not the player to take us into Europe. Sometimes we need to be harsher, just because he's a local lad and all that does not make him good enough.  Better quality required, rather than quantity.

Into Europe??????

Boring mid table with no fear of a relegation dog fight will do for starters - 3 years of this shit - I cannot take any more

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on July 28, 2015, 01:18:24 PM

The Jordanian People's Front of Aston.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: papa lazarou on July 28, 2015, 01:20:27 PM

Quote from: dave shelley on July 28, 2015, 01:18:24 PM

The Jordanian People's Front of Aston.

Splitters!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 28, 2015, 01:51:56 PM

Quote from: Duncan Shaw on July 28, 2015, 01:00:23 PM

See the Boggies appear to be buying James Chester according to the Beeb - £8m

Would be a good signing for them. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: themossman on July 28, 2015, 01:52:49 PM

Not that I'm obsessed by such things, but has anyone got any idea where we currently stand in terms of outs vs ins, transfer fees wise and wages wise (assuming Veretout and Crespo happen, for the suggested fees)?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Diablo on July 28, 2015, 01:59:23 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on July 28, 2015, 12:58:27 PM

Quote from: Diablo on July 28, 2015, 12:36:27 PM

Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 28, 2015, 11:00:13 AM

I agree with everyone stating that Baker likes getting stuck in and flings himself about. It does look good, but isn't it a sign that he isn't that good? You shouldn't need to be getting into those situations if you had decent positional sense etc and therefore risking getting the injuries he gets. I don't think he helps himself.

I like Baker by the way. He has a good beard.

John Terry (regarded by many for great positional sense) still finds himself doing last gasp tackles at times and when he does he gets plaudits not criticism.

I'm not saying Baker is John Terry and I'm definitely, definitely, not saying I like John Terry.

Very rarely though.  Nathan Baker does a few every game and frequently injures himself in the process.  I would have no problem with him being 5th or 6th choice, but feel it might be better to sell him and give the next academy graduate a chance (Donacien maybe). 

I hear what you're saying. It felt like he played more than 11 games last year but the defence was chopped and changed so much and it was such a painful (at points) and crazy season to watch it's little wonder I suppose. At 24 Baker is still pretty young in CH terms. To me he seems to have been improving the last few seasons in difficult circumstances (awful management) and with CH partners being constantly rotated. Not sure if I'd sell him for £2 million myself (experienced back up) but it does sound as though he could be on his way in TS's major overhaul.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: rougegorge on July 28, 2015, 02:04:43 PM

Quote from: themossman on July 28, 2015, 01:52:49 PM

Not that I'm obsessed by such things, but has anyone got any how we currently stand in terms of outs vs ins, transfer fees wise and wages wise (assuming Veretout and Crespo happen, for the suggested fees)?

Try this from 'L'Equipe' - although in French, easy to understand, very comprehensive and up to date about all the teams in the Premiership, though obviously no wage details.

http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/EQ_TRANSFERT_ANG.html (http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/EQ_TRANSFERT_ANG.html)

p = Loan
r.p = returned from loan
f.c = end of contract (free)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 28, 2015, 02:06:08 PM

rumours of us offering 6m for Gestede with Robinson on loan

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: themossman on July 28, 2015, 02:22:14 PM

Quote from: rougegorge on July 28, 2015, 02:04:43 PM

Quote from: themossman on July 28, 2015, 01:52:49 PM

Not that I'm obsessed by such things, but has anyone got any how we currently stand in terms of outs vs ins, transfer fees wise and wages wise (assuming Veretout and Crespo happen, for the suggested fees)?

Try this from 'L'Equipe' - although in French, easy to understand, very comprehensive and up to date about all the teams in the Premiership, though obviously no wage details.

http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/EQ_TRANSFERT_ANG.html (http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/EQ_TRANSFERT_ANG.html)

p = Loan
r.p = returned from loan
f.c = end of contract (free)

Very interesting, thanks. I forgot about the Weimann money. So If we buy Veretout and Crespo for the reported amounts we're still about €20m up on fees, with 5/6 big salaries off the books. This could be the opportunity to clear house we've needed for a while, pressure of Tim to get it right.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 28, 2015, 02:23:36 PM

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/transfers/wettbewerb/GB1

Some in and out fees, plus totals.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 28, 2015, 02:26:04 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on July 28, 2015, 01:51:56 PM

Quote from: Duncan Shaw on July 28, 2015, 01:00:23 PM

See the Boggies appear to be buying James Chester according to the Beeb - £8m

Would be a good signing for them. 

Why, is he good at long throws or flick ons?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dr Butler on July 28, 2015, 02:28:45 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 28, 2015, 02:26:04 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on July 28, 2015, 01:51:56 PM

Quote from: Duncan Shaw on July 28, 2015, 01:00:23 PM

See the Boggies appear to be buying James Chester according to the Beeb - £8m

Would be a good signing for them. 

Why, is he good at long throws or flick ons?

8m...wow hope he can punt it long too.

UTV
The Doc

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 28, 2015, 02:36:39 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 28, 2015, 02:06:08 PM

rumours of us offering 6m for Gestede with Robinson on loan

From where?

Cannot make my mind up with the proven Adebeyor or the untried Gestede

I think both of them have a great opportunity to fill Benteke's boots

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt C on July 28, 2015, 02:40:52 PM

Both.

Adebayour looks likely -

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-emmanuel-adebayor-expected-9743601

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Proposition Joe on July 28, 2015, 03:09:51 PM

Quote from: Matt C on July 28, 2015, 02:40:52 PM

Both.

Adebayour looks likely -

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-emmanuel-adebayor-expected-9743601

100K a week!  I can't believe even if we loan we'll stump up 100% of the wages.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 28, 2015, 03:13:50 PM

Quote from: Proposition Joe on July 28, 2015, 03:09:51 PM

Quote from: Matt C on July 28, 2015, 02:40:52 PM

Both.

Adebayour looks likely -

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-emmanuel-adebayor-expected-9743601

100K a week!  I can't believe even if we loan we'll stump up 100% of the wages.

I can't see us doing anything that would break our wage structure, so probably 60K tops (pukes at thought of that being a paycut) with Spurs coughing for the rest.  They should still be happy as they're avoiding just over £3M in wages.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: DB on July 28, 2015, 03:20:15 PM

Nooooooo!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john2710 on July 28, 2015, 03:21:46 PM

Adebayor looks a reasonable signing, if his head is right. He's proven PL quality & would take most of the burden off Ayew, whilst he settles in. There will be a loan fee & Spurs will top up his wages.

Given his record, I'd include an option to send him back in January.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 28, 2015, 03:23:54 PM

Quote from: john2710 on July 28, 2015, 03:21:46 PM

Adebayor looks a reasonable signing, if his head is right. He's proven PL quality & would take most of the burden off Ayew, whilst he settles in. There will be a loan fee & Spurs will top up his wages.

Given his record, I'd include an option to send him back in January.

haha, yes I'm sure Spurs would be open to that

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 28, 2015, 03:29:27 PM

I can only hope that Foxy has more savvy than previous  incumbents and Adebayor's coming on a deal that suits the club and team morale.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: CJ on July 28, 2015, 03:51:34 PM

As long as Tim doesn't do that salute again I'd be reasonably happy with Adebayor as a short term deal while we dig up the next Benteke

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 28, 2015, 03:53:18 PM

What's wrong with the salute?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: CJ on July 28, 2015, 03:54:25 PM

Makes me cringe

Ooops - wrong thread. Just noticed separate Adebayor one

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 28, 2015, 03:55:31 PM

How come?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 28, 2015, 03:56:27 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 28, 2015, 03:29:27 PM

I can only hope that Foxy has more savvy than previous  incumbents and Adebayor's coming on a deal that suits the club and team morale.

Quite. Adebayor could be a problem especially as he is light years away from being match fit. Ayew has had a somewhat unstable nature in the past and I hope he has left it across the other side of the channel. I am still hoping we will sign Gestede and very much hoping for good news shortly about Veretout.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: CJ on July 28, 2015, 03:57:41 PM

Don't know why, but when I saw it on MOTD I nearly spat out my scotch. I just found it really cringeworthy.  Looking at the other thread it seems I'm not the only one, but each to their own and all that

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ryu on July 28, 2015, 04:00:56 PM

The salute was a bit naff. Bit surely the important thing is that it shows that a famously tempremental player known for spells of not trying very hard actually likes the person tasked with getting him to perform. Mist be a good thing?

Edit: Also, didn't they only do it once?  It'd not like a. Choreographed routine they did for every goal.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 28, 2015, 04:11:43 PM

Quote from: papa lazarou on July 28, 2015, 01:20:27 PM

Quote from: dave shelley on July 28, 2015, 01:18:24 PM

The Jordanian People's Front of Aston.

Splitters!

Fuck off, were the Jordan Peoples front

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villabear on July 28, 2015, 04:13:25 PM

I've just looked and we haven't signed anyone in the last 10 mins. WTF is going on?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SashasGrandad on July 28, 2015, 04:22:12 PM

Quote from: OCD on July 28, 2015, 01:07:53 PM

Seem to becoming 'Aston Jordan Villa'.

Perhaps we can have some Cheer leaders - with matching chests

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 28, 2015, 04:35:08 PM

Quote from: CJ on July 28, 2015, 03:54:25 PM

Makes me cringe

Ooops - wrong thread. Just noticed separate Adebayor one

It's only shit, punchable and cringeworthy when he (they) did it at Spurs. You do realise if they do it with us we just scored right?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on July 28, 2015, 04:38:41 PM

 - we should offer 6 millions plus NZogbia and send one of promising kid to Blackburn for their striker Rudy Gestede. Just to get Charlie out ;)
 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: papa lazarou on July 28, 2015, 04:45:25 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 28, 2015, 04:11:43 PM

Quote from: papa lazarou on July 28, 2015, 01:20:27 PM

Quote from: dave shelley on July 28, 2015, 01:18:24 PM

The Jordanian People's Front of Aston.

Splitters!

Fuck off, were the Jordan Peoples front

Whatever happened to the Popular People's front of Jordan?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on July 28, 2015, 05:11:32 PM

Cambiasso or another midfielder and I could see this summers business mostly complete. I'd like to see another centreback bought in and Richards used as a right back but if we start the season like

Guzan
Richards
Amavi
Okore
Clark
Gueye
Cambiasso
Veretout
Ayew
Adebayor
Sinclair/Gil/Grealish/Agbonlahor

Then it's not a bad summers business.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on July 28, 2015, 05:26:14 PM

Imagine we got Rolan, Cambiasso, Veretout and Abebayor and centre defender then we should be sorted for the season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: boboonthecorner on July 28, 2015, 05:30:46 PM

With Adebayor about to be announced I think it's highly unlikely we will sign another forward?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve kirk on July 28, 2015, 05:31:54 PM

A mate of mine has been told by someone he knows who works at Bodymore that Sergi Darder is set to sign, might be bollocks but thought I would pass it on, surely him and Veretout aren't both coming.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Summers on July 28, 2015, 05:34:36 PM

Adebayor, one of Darder/Veretout/another similar midfielder and then I'm very happy with all out business and anything else is a big bonus.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: kiddylion on July 28, 2015, 05:34:46 PM

Quote from: CJ on July 28, 2015, 03:51:34 PM

As long as Tim doesn't do that salute again I'd be reasonably happy with Adebayor as a short term deal while we dig up the next Benteke

If it means he's notched a goal they can salute each other as much as they like & twice a game at least would be good

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 28, 2015, 05:41:28 PM

I have a feeling we will sign a new keeper before the start of the season as part of the Sherwood summer of shopping.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 28, 2015, 05:42:29 PM

a few journalists so called ITK's etc. have been saying for a while that even if Adebayor came in we'd still be looking for another young forward with Oulare's name the most frequently mentioned

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 28, 2015, 05:43:15 PM

Re: Baker, I think that Kevin Toner from the U21s is very highly rated within the club so wouldn't be surprised if he's being ear-marked for a step-up to the first team squad in the next 18 months.

We've also got Donacien on our books, although I wouldn't be surprised if he's off before the end of th window.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eamonn on July 28, 2015, 05:48:48 PM

Makes me a bit uncomfortable thinking how much we'll be paying him and N'Zogbia combined this season after finally getting Given and Bent off the wage-bill.
But I think Sherwood and the players will make him feel loved enough for him to be ''on it'' for this to be worthwhile.

I always enjoy Adebayor's interviews, he comes across as quite a decent guy. Then again, I always thought that of F. Delph too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: onje_villa on July 28, 2015, 05:51:37 PM

I think if all the players that we're being linked with do come in it will have been a SUPERB window not "OK". They'll have to bond and settle as a unit which may not see immediate results but bloody hell better than I was expecting.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 28, 2015, 05:57:22 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 28, 2015, 09:51:04 AM

I like Baker.

He definitely shows promise and isn't scared to throw himself around if he needs to. It is just a shame that he is stuck in a situation where he picks up a lot of injuries and never really gets the chance to stake a claim to be first choice.

If I were him, I'd see Burnley as a good option. Go somewhere like that where they will (with parachute money) be competitive, start long runs of games for the first time in his career, and then get back into the top flight, either with them or another club.

If you leave the injury record to one side, he's sort of too good to be fifth choice but not likely to get a chance to prove himself as a first choice.

Some of these players we are moving on, I don't really think have ever shown they have enough to become PL regulars, but I think Baker does have it.

I see where you're coming from but as someone who also is a fan of baker I'm not sure I'd want to see him leave just yet, He's still young (ish) and I don't think he's as bad as his detractors make out. His distribution isn't the best, clearly, but it's no worse than Gary Cahill's. moving him on to Burnley is also a similar mindset to moving cahill onto Bolton and he was allowed to amture to the point of Chelsea and England wanting him. i'm not entirely convinced that when cahill was our 4th choice centre-half he was head and shoulders above baker. cahill was being brought along steadily, ironically (yes, not irony) at Burnley, and then when he went to bolton he was young and confident. He played in a poor Villa team but only sporadically.

Baker has been thrown in at the deep end. Positionally i don't think he's as bad as is being mad eout, but when your learning curve is with a team that feared corners, where left-backs were useless, where the midfield cover was thin at best, you'd also be charging around trying to put out fires.

last season he looked very good in many games - West Ham away and Liverpool spring to mind - and I thought he was rushed back to quickly for the end of the season as we were struggling with injuries.

he may have reached his limit. But I'd like to keep him a little longer to be sure. He was ahead of Clark until he got injured at West Ham and then Clark to his chance excellently. I wouldn't put him that far behind him at the moment ad suggest they are going into the season on an equal footing. I hope that we keep him for at least 12 months more and so how things work out. What do we have to lose? What do we have to lose if he moves on and develops a la Cahill?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 28, 2015, 06:01:43 PM

Quote from: Steve kirk on July 28, 2015, 05:31:54 PM

A mate of mine has been told by someone he knows who works at Bodymore that Sergi Darder is set to sign, might be bollocks but thought I would pass it on, surely him and Veretout aren't both coming.

I hope he's wrong, Steve as Veretout seems to be twice the player Darder is. Darder seems to be basically a destroyer who runs around kicking players, getting tackles in and hoofing it; Veretout looks to be the complete midfielder, a real classy footballer.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 28, 2015, 06:02:21 PM

Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on July 28, 2015, 06:01:43 PM

Quote from: Steve kirk on July 28, 2015, 05:31:54 PM

A mate of mine has been told by someone he knows who works at Bodymore that Sergi Darder is set to sign, might be bollocks but thought I would pass it on, surely him and Veretout aren't both coming.

I hope he's wrong, Steve as Veretout seems to be twice the player Darder is. Darder seems to be basically a destroyer who runs around kicking players, getting tackles in and hoofing it; Veretout looks to be the complete midfielder, a real classy footballer.

can we not have both?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on July 28, 2015, 06:08:34 PM

I'd love us to sign Cambiasso and Vertout.

God I'm actually excited!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 28, 2015, 06:09:55 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 28, 2015, 06:02:21 PM

Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on July 28, 2015, 06:01:43 PM

Quote from: Steve kirk on July 28, 2015, 05:31:54 PM

A mate of mine has been told by someone he knows who works at Bodymore that Sergi Darder is set to sign, might be bollocks but thought I would pass it on, surely him and Veretout aren't both coming.

I hope he's wrong, Steve as Veretout seems to be twice the player Darder is. Darder seems to be basically a destroyer who runs around kicking players, getting tackles in and hoofing it; Veretout looks to be the complete midfielder, a real classy footballer.

can we not have both?

We can do it 'the Spurs way' and sign hundreds of midfielders for all I care providing amongst them we have a few decent players.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frank black on July 28, 2015, 06:14:16 PM

To be fair, I have no idea whether this is a good window or not.

I've never heard of any of the players we have signed (but then I'm not as 'world of football' as I used to be), they've come from a lower standard league and Adebayor seems a bit Pires-Cole-Ginola (but could be a Merson).

I think we will have done enough to stay up, I hope we may do slightly better and it is certainly exciting stuff.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 28, 2015, 06:25:35 PM

Realistically, I reckon Veretout, another striker (Gestede?) and perhaps a keeper and the'll be it.  Which would be superb business IMO.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 28, 2015, 06:26:37 PM

Quote from: frank black on July 28, 2015, 06:14:16 PM

To be fair, I have no idea whether this is a good window or not.

I've never heard of any of the players we have signed (but then I'm not as 'world of football' as I used to be), they've come from a lower standard league and Adebayor seems a bit Pires-Cole-Ginola (but could be a Merson).

I think we will have done enough to stay up, I hope we may do slightly better and it is certainly exciting stuff.

Yeah its weird I go back and forth how good a window we are having. The major positive though is we have broken up a losing team. Benteke is a loss but even with him this team looked like they were relegation bound. The more change the better I think.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 28, 2015, 06:28:54 PM

Quote from: Des Little on July 28, 2015, 06:25:35 PM

Realistically, I reckon Veretout, another striker (Gestede?) and perhaps a keeper and the'll be it.  Which would be superb business IMO.

Agreed, Desmond.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 28, 2015, 06:38:44 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on July 28, 2015, 06:26:37 PM

Quote from: frank black on July 28, 2015, 06:14:16 PM

To be fair, I have no idea whether this is a good window or not.

I've never heard of any of the players we have signed (but then I'm not as 'world of football' as I used to be), they've come from a lower standard league and Adebayor seems a bit Pires-Cole-Ginola (but could be a Merson).

I think we will have done enough to stay up, I hope we may do slightly better and it is certainly exciting stuff.

Yeah its weird I go back and forth how good a window we are having. The major positive though is we have broken up a losing team. Benteke is a loss but even with him this team looked like they were relegation bound. The more change the better I think.

Agreed. A full changing of the guard like Brian Little's first summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 28, 2015, 06:53:37 PM

The look on Tim Sherwood's face at Wembley in May should have told us what to expect in the transfer window.   I hoped this was coming but did not dare believe it.   I don't mean instant top four, I mean a complete purge and a new beginning.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 28, 2015, 06:58:08 PM

It's clear Sherwood likes a high tempo pacey team and for that reason I'm excited by who he is looking to get in. I also think Gabby will fit in perfectly.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 28, 2015, 06:58:27 PM

It could still turn to shit, Brian, but it does render some hope. And it is the hope that breaks us in the end!

That is why I was such a busted flush after the cup final. I dared to dream again.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Summers on July 28, 2015, 07:02:17 PM

A potential midfield three of Gueye - Darder - Veretout would be a huge improvement.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 28, 2015, 07:05:24 PM

Compared to a triumvirate of Gardner/Westwood/Bacuna it would be orgasmic...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: The Man With A Stick on July 28, 2015, 07:09:06 PM

Quote from: brian green on July 28, 2015, 06:53:37 PM

The look on Tim Sherwood's face at Wembley in May should have told us what to expect in the transfer window.   I hoped this was coming but did not dare believe it.   I don't mean instant top four, I mean a complete purge and a new beginning.

I wonder how things would have turned out if, don't laugh, we'd somehow won that day?  The squad still needed gutting and I'm fairly sure that neither Benteke or The Snake would have stuck around.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 28, 2015, 07:10:51 PM

I would be delighted to have too many quality midfielders for spots. It has been one of my complaints for a while. I think Sanchez, & Westwood can definitely force themselves into contention, I would be happy for Sherwood to have that problem.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 28, 2015, 07:11:27 PM

I think if I had not bumped into DW on the platform after the cup final a big part of me would have jumped under a train.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 28, 2015, 07:14:14 PM

Hopefully having genuine competition ups the level of the other players that survive the cull. The drop off from say Delph and Benteke was too large. We need to have options that if one falls the replacement is every bit as good.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 28, 2015, 07:15:08 PM

Quote from: Summers on July 28, 2015, 07:02:17 PM

A potential midfield three of Gueye - Darder - Veretout would be a huge improvement.

I wholeheartedly agree. Pace and power there.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 28, 2015, 07:16:41 PM

I couldn't countenance talking to anyone after. I had to be physically restrained at one point from introducing some hipster Arsenal twat to the live rail.

Anyway, that day didn't happen. Just like the last FA Cup final I went to didn't either.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt C on July 28, 2015, 07:37:42 PM

There's revolution in the air.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on July 28, 2015, 07:47:17 PM

Quote from: Diablo on July 28, 2015, 12:36:27 PM

Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 28, 2015, 11:00:13 AM

I agree with everyone stating that Baker likes getting stuck in and flings himself about. It does look good, but isn't it a sign that he isn't that good? You shouldn't need to be getting into those situations if you had decent positional sense etc and therefore risking getting the injuries he gets. I don't think he helps himself.

I like Baker by the way. He has a good beard.

John Terry (regarded by many for great positional sense) still finds himself doing last gasp tackles at times and when he does he gets plaudits not criticism.

I'm not saying Baker is John Terry and I'm definitely, definitely, not saying I like John Terry.

John Terry has other strings to his bow though like being brilliant with the ball at his feet. Thought even Terry showed how bad he could be at the 2010 World Cup when thrown in next to a joke centre half (Upson), played on the wrong side, with zero protection from midfield and playing a suicidally high line. Clark and Baker could have similar complaints re the tactics of Paul Lambert and even Sherwood played a crazy high line in a few games at the end of last season. Not an easy time for them to develop and they were both really awful for a few years.

But Clark is the one who has shown the most progression, Clark is really slow on the turn but rarely got caught out the longer last season went on. Arsenal away was the last shocker I can recall him having, Lamberts tactics that day were woeful in his defence. His positional sense and decision making improved beyond recognition last season, playing next to a couple of charlatan left backs like Cissokoho and Richardson too it must be added. Having Okore's pace and strength next to him as opposed to Vlaar was key to his development. Okore made mistakes for sure but Vlaar was no leader. Sanchez too even at his worst is a vast improvement defensively in midfield to Westwood's powder puff resistance. At Chelsea, Terry has always had strong physical defensive midfielders in front of him and speed in the centre half next to him.

Baker despite being a beast physically has never shown anything like the same composure, everything is last ditch and he makes James Collins seem Baresi esque with the ball. Throw is his consistent injury issues and a permanent move to Burnley can only be in his interest.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 28, 2015, 07:59:16 PM

It's not often I agree with you Brontebilly, but I agree with 99% of that.

I wouldn't describe Terry as brilliant with the ball at his feet, that's reserved for the likes of McGrath and Baresi, but he's definitely more than competent in a way that Baker will probably never come close to emulating. (And it makes me want to puke giving Terry anything remotely like praise.)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on July 28, 2015, 08:20:55 PM

A neutral statement from Tim:
Sherwood said: 'I'm really pleased to bring Jordan to the football club.
'He is a fantastic young player who is perfectly suited to the Premier League.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3177307/Aston-Villa-spent-majority-Christian-Benteke-money-wisely.html#ixzz3hDPm5DgI
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Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 28, 2015, 08:22:21 PM

Couple of good signing still to come I've heard

Definitely not Townsend now

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 28, 2015, 08:29:53 PM

Quote from: olaftab on July 28, 2015, 08:20:55 PM

A neutral statement from Tim:
Sherwood said: 'I'm really pleased to bring Jordan to the football club.
'He is a fantastic young player who is perfectly suited to the Premier League.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3177307/Aston-Villa-spent-majority-Christian-Benteke-money-wisely.html#ixzz3hDPm5DgI
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Will he say the same thing if Veretout signs?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 28, 2015, 08:42:04 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on July 28, 2015, 08:22:21 PM

Couple of good signing still to come I've heard

Definitely not Townsend now

Come on then you little tease. Spill!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 28, 2015, 08:45:27 PM

Don't want Townsend

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 28, 2015, 09:21:21 PM

Quote from: olaftab on July 28, 2015, 08:20:55 PM

A neutral statement from Tim:
Sherwood said: 'I'm really pleased to bring Jordan to the football club.
'He is a fantastic young player who is perfectly suited to the Premier League.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3177307/Aston-Villa-spent-majority-Christian-Benteke-money-wisely.html#ixzz3hDPm5DgI
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I agree, regardless of which Jordan he was talking about.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: clash city rocker on July 28, 2015, 09:25:50 PM

New signings...speculation .....i'm not used to this and am having trouble keeping up to speed with all the news. No wonder we aren't seeing Sherwood in the press much as he has obviously got hold of the company cheque book and is touring Europe with his Google maps app ,stopping off at as many football grounds as he can.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 28, 2015, 09:27:24 PM

Is anybody still complaining about the lack of activity?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: wozwebs on July 28, 2015, 10:17:42 PM

Berbatov linked in the Express tomorrow. Aged 34. Can't see it? Back page exclusive.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 28, 2015, 10:19:42 PM

Quote from: wozwebs on July 28, 2015, 10:17:42 PM

Berbatov linked in the Express tomorrow. Aged 34. Can't see it? Back page exclusive.

Ah... bless.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 28, 2015, 10:21:01 PM

Quote from: OCD on July 28, 2015, 09:27:24 PM

Is anybody still complaining about the lack of activity?

If there is, I think wecan guess his identity, location and choice of curry house.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on July 28, 2015, 10:35:52 PM

Quote from: brian green on July 28, 2015, 06:53:37 PM

The look on Tim Sherwood's face at Wembley in May should have told us what to expect in the transfer window.   I hoped this was coming but did not dare believe it.   I don't mean instant top four, I mean a complete purge and a new beginning.

yes your right, I forgot about that until you mentioned it
he did look like a man who was determined to change a few things, and said so at the time

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 28, 2015, 10:38:29 PM

The Newcastle fans peddling Mike Williamson at 6m to Villa I hope are as wrong as wrong can be. I would have taken him on loan when we had no one fit, but christ I hope it is not true in the slightest!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 28, 2015, 10:39:30 PM

Quote from: john e on July 28, 2015, 10:35:52 PM

Quote from: brian green on July 28, 2015, 06:53:37 PM

The look on Tim Sherwood's face at Wembley in May should have told us what to expect in the transfer window.   I hoped this was coming but did not dare believe it.   I don't mean instant top four, I mean a complete purge and a new beginning.

yes your right, I forgot about that until you mentioned it
he did look like a man who was determined to change a few things, and said so at the time

I think he was angry before the final and really angry after it. Didn't he mention he told a few of them right afterwards (or before) that they would be gone?

Anyway I am glad he has followed through.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 28, 2015, 10:40:31 PM

Quote from: john e on July 28, 2015, 10:35:52 PM

Quote from: brian green on July 28, 2015, 06:53:37 PM

The look on Tim Sherwood's face at Wembley in May should have told us what to expect in the transfer window.   I hoped this was coming but did not dare believe it.   I don't mean instant top four, I mean a complete purge and a new beginning.

yes your right, I forgot about that until you mentioned it
he did look like a man who was determined to change a few things, and said so at the time

Never mind him... you should have seen the look on my face...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 28, 2015, 10:42:07 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 28, 2015, 10:38:29 PM

The Newcastle fans peddling Mike Williamson at 6m to Villa I hope are as wrong as wrong can be. I would have taken him on loan when we had no one fit, but christ I hope it is not true in the slightest!

Who?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 28, 2015, 10:43:29 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 28, 2015, 10:42:07 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 28, 2015, 10:38:29 PM

The Newcastle fans peddling Mike Williamson at 6m to Villa I hope are as wrong as wrong can be. I would have taken him on loan when we had no one fit, but christ I hope it is not true in the slightest!

Who?

He's their match day compare.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 28, 2015, 10:43:38 PM

Sorry I know who

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 28, 2015, 10:45:29 PM

Quote from: Des Little on July 28, 2015, 08:42:04 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on July 28, 2015, 08:22:21 PM

Couple of good signing still to come I've heard

Definitely not Townsend now

Come on then you little tease. Spill!

He wouldn't name them des. But said two good signings.

Thou they are looking at Lennon as a possibility which makes me think they want a winger maybe but they not into Townsend work ethnic .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: atomicjam on July 28, 2015, 10:46:49 PM

Berbatov?

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/594475/Exclusive-Dimitar-Berbatov-Aston-Villa-Transfer-News

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 28, 2015, 10:47:22 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on July 28, 2015, 10:45:29 PM

Quote from: Des Little on July 28, 2015, 08:42:04 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on July 28, 2015, 08:22:21 PM

Couple of good signing still to come I've heard

Definitely not Townsend now

Come on then you little tease. Spill!

He wouldn't name them des. But said two good signings.

Thou they are looking at Lennon as a possibility which makes me think they want a winger maybe as they not into Townsend work ethnic .

Shit, don't let Percy see that...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve R on July 28, 2015, 10:48:59 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 28, 2015, 10:38:29 PM

The Newcastle fans peddling Mike Williamson at 6m to Villa I hope are as wrong as wrong can be. I would have taken him on loan when we had no one fit, but christ I hope it is not true in the slightest!

31 year old in the last year of his contract. Doesn't seem likely at that price.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 28, 2015, 10:50:51 PM

Berbatov probably won't have lost any pace because he didn't run much at 24, let alone 34.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 28, 2015, 10:51:11 PM

Quote from: peter w on July 28, 2015, 10:47:22 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on July 28, 2015, 10:45:29 PM

Quote from: Des Little on July 28, 2015, 08:42:04 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on July 28, 2015, 08:22:21 PM

Couple of good signing still to come I've heard

Definitely not Townsend now

Come on then you little tease. Spill!

He wouldn't name them des. But said two good signings.

Thou they are looking at Lennon as a possibility which makes me think they want a winger maybe as they not into Townsend work ethnic .

Shit, don't let Percy see that...

Huh?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Gareth on July 28, 2015, 10:51:34 PM

I'd love to be greedy now & go all out for Shawcross.  Not a clue what type of fee it would take but Shawcross / Richards / Okore & Clark would be a decent set of options.

As for right back....not a clue, wonder if there's anyone in Ligue 1?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Risso on July 28, 2015, 10:52:40 PM

The Express have just tweeted a link to Berbatov.  By christ, he makes Adebayor look like the Duracell Bunny.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 28, 2015, 10:54:26 PM

Quote from: Risso on July 28, 2015, 10:52:40 PM

The Express have just tweeted a link to Berbatov.  By christ, he makes Adebayor look like the Duracell Bunny.

If we signed Berbatov, I imagine he'd just spend the matches sat in his own, special, luxuriously upholstered armchair, wearing a smoking jacket, tugging away on Dunhills - smoked in holders, and taken from a gold case.

On the pitch.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Risso on July 28, 2015, 10:56:01 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 28, 2015, 10:54:26 PM

Quote from: Risso on July 28, 2015, 10:52:40 PM

The Express have just tweeted a link to Berbatov.  By christ, he makes Adebayor look like the Duracell Bunny.

If we signed Berbatov, I imagine he'd just spend the matches sat in his own, special, luxuriously upholstered armchair, wearing a smoking jacket, tugging away on Dunhills - smoked in holders, and taken from a gold case.

On the pitch.

Yep, after arriving in the sedan chair last used by Robert Pires.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Doorbell on July 28, 2015, 10:56:18 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 28, 2015, 10:54:26 PM

Quote from: Risso on July 28, 2015, 10:52:40 PM

The Express have just tweeted a link to Berbatov.  By christ, he makes Adebayor look like the Duracell Bunny.

If we signed Berbatov, I imagine he'd just spend the matches sat in his own, special, luxuriously upholstered armchair, wearing a smoking jacket, tugging away on Dunhills - smoked in holders, and taken from a gold case.

On the pitch.

Sipping a small glass of Châteauneuf-du-Pape

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 28, 2015, 10:57:10 PM

Last time I watched him properly was when we went to Fulham and got battered by Berbatov inside 45 minutes. He was fucking awesome. Now we are 18 months on but he seems to have played well for Monaco. I just hope that Kozak does get his chance to cement a place in the side and is not pushed aside by 2 old men. 1 I am happy to take as he makes sense. I am not sure on Berbatov. Though he couldn't half teach Grealish when to play a final ball.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: adrenachrome on July 28, 2015, 10:59:02 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 28, 2015, 10:54:26 PM

Quote from: Risso on July 28, 2015, 10:52:40 PM

The Express have just tweeted a link to Berbatov.  By christ, he makes Adebayor look like the Duracell Bunny.

If we signed Berbatov, I imagine he'd just spend the matches sat in his own, special, luxuriously upholstered armchair, wearing a smoking jacket, tugging away on Dunhills - smoked in holders, and taken from a gold case.

On the pitch.

He more or less did that against us at our gaffe a couple of years ago and still ran the game. Refused to use his left foot as well, as though it was not required at that level.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 28, 2015, 11:01:25 PM

Surely not berba. We'll already have four senior centre forwards w adebayor and I'd have bought kozak as done enough to deserve a chance.

Priority now would definitely be the wide positions. Sinclair uncertain and bacuna definitely not good enough in midfield

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Seb_AVFC on July 28, 2015, 11:02:44 PM

13 goals in 38 games for Monaco last season according to wiki.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on July 28, 2015, 11:02:59 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 28, 2015, 10:57:10 PM

Last time I watched him properly was when we went to Fulham and got battered by Berbatov inside 45 minutes. He was fucking awesome. Now we are 18 months on but he seems to have played well for Monaco. I just hope that Kozak does get his chance to cement a place in the side and is not pushed aside by 2 old men. 1 I am happy to take as he makes sense. I am not sure on Berbatov. Though he couldn't half teach Grealish when to play a final ball.

Again, on a short term contract, it would be low risk and he would bring a shit load of experience.  Even at his age, I should imagine his movement would show up what we have seen generally from our forwards for the last 2 years.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on July 28, 2015, 11:03:38 PM

A forward line of Kozak, Berbatov and Adebayor. You could see glacial movement with more speed.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on July 28, 2015, 11:05:55 PM

Quote from: Doorbell on July 28, 2015, 10:56:18 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 28, 2015, 10:54:26 PM

Quote from: Risso on July 28, 2015, 10:52:40 PM

The Express have just tweeted a link to Berbatov.  By christ, he makes Adebayor look like the Duracell Bunny.

If we signed Berbatov, I imagine he'd just spend the matches sat in his own, special, luxuriously upholstered armchair, wearing a smoking jacket, tugging away on Dunhills - smoked in holders, and taken from a gold case.

On the pitch.

Sipping a small glass of Châteauneuf-du-Pape

Berbatov's already been doing that for the last few years with great success.  I reckon his next move will finally see him literally phoning in his performance; there'll be a telephone table just outside the box with a mobile on it.  And even then he'll be more of a threat than Brown Ideye. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Doorbell on July 28, 2015, 11:09:56 PM

Quote from: Chinchilla Bathhouse on July 28, 2015, 11:05:55 PM

Quote from: Doorbell on July 28, 2015, 10:56:18 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 28, 2015, 10:54:26 PM

Quote from: Risso on July 28, 2015, 10:52:40 PM

The Express have just tweeted a link to Berbatov.  By christ, he makes Adebayor look like the Duracell Bunny.

If we signed Berbatov, I imagine he'd just spend the matches sat in his own, special, luxuriously upholstered armchair, wearing a smoking jacket, tugging away on Dunhills - smoked in holders, and taken from a gold case.

On the pitch.

Sipping a small glass of Châteauneuf-du-Pape

Berbatov's already been doing that for the last few years with great success.  I reckon his next move will finally see him literally phoning in his performance; there'll be a telephone table just outside the box with a mobile on it.  And even then he'll be more of a threat than Brown Ideye.

It wouldn't be a mobile, it'd be one of those old school phones shaped like a stick with an ear piece attached to a cord...and the whole attacking move would be played out in black and white.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 28, 2015, 11:09:57 PM

Quote from: peter w on July 28, 2015, 10:47:22 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on July 28, 2015, 10:45:29 PM

Quote from: Des Little on July 28, 2015, 08:42:04 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on July 28, 2015, 08:22:21 PM

Couple of good signing still to come I've heard

Definitely not Townsend now

Come on then you little tease. Spill!

He wouldn't name them des. But said two good signings.

Thou they are looking at Lennon as a possibility which makes me think they want a winger maybe as they not into Townsend work ethnic .

Shit, don't let Percy see that...

I meant work rate. This tablet aarrgghh

He said I will be pleased in a week or two.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Louzie0 on July 28, 2015, 11:12:27 PM

I would love to see Berbatov play for Villa. He's like a Rolls Royce.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 28, 2015, 11:13:18 PM

I hope this lad is better than the last player Petrov suggested we go and get.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 28, 2015, 11:15:54 PM

IMO this will be like the Benteke to Man. United story which seemed to scare Liverpool into quickly paying the fee.

Just can't see us signing Adebayor and Berbatov, Ade seems quite far down the line now so it would be a strange one.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 28, 2015, 11:16:06 PM

Berbarov, Adebayor, Kozac and Gabby?

Yeah why not!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: wozwebs on July 28, 2015, 11:17:35 PM

Tried to bang £20 on Berbatov joining at 10/1 with BetVictor but site crashed then when I came back it was 4/1. Should have been quicker... like him ;D

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 28, 2015, 11:18:08 PM

Five centre forwards plus Robinson?

Surely not

What the hell is going on with veretout?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 28, 2015, 11:19:16 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 28, 2015, 10:51:11 PM

Quote from: peter w on July 28, 2015, 10:47:22 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on July 28, 2015, 10:45:29 PM

Quote from: Des Little on July 28, 2015, 08:42:04 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on July 28, 2015, 08:22:21 PM

Couple of good signing still to come I've heard

Definitely not Townsend now

Come on then you little tease. Spill!

He wouldn't name them des. But said two good signings.

Thou they are looking at Lennon as a possibility which makes me think they want a winger maybe as they not into Townsend work ethnic .

Shit, don't let Percy see that...

Huh?

Sorry. Joke about him being "ethnic".

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve R on July 28, 2015, 11:20:08 PM

Quote from: Louzie0Tim on July 28, 2015, 11:12:27 PM

I would love to see Berbatov play for Villa. He's like a Rolls Royce.

You give him two fingers whenever he drives past?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 28, 2015, 11:22:49 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 28, 2015, 11:18:08 PM

What the hell is going on with veretout?

Nothing out of the ordinary. Surely we all hadn't actually heard of him a little more than 24 hours ago?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 28, 2015, 11:26:46 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 28, 2015, 11:22:49 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 28, 2015, 11:18:08 PM

What the hell is going on with veretout?

Nothing out of the ordinary. Surely we all hadn't actually heard of him a little more than 24 hours ago?

But surely now you have, and others might want him, you have to have him?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 28, 2015, 11:27:44 PM

Berbatov ? Jeez it must be bed time

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 28, 2015, 11:29:32 PM

Quote

Anyway I am glad he has followed through.

Nothing that a 60c wash won't sort out

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt C on July 28, 2015, 11:31:13 PM

We've not signed a player for quite literally hours. How low we've sunk.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 28, 2015, 11:31:47 PM

Quote from: Louzie0Tim on July 28, 2015, 11:12:27 PM

I would love to see Berbatov play for Villa. He's like a Rolls Royce.

A Rolls Royce parked in the garage that is rarely seen out on the road.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Louzie0 on July 28, 2015, 11:32:49 PM

Quote from: Steve Rose on July 28, 2015, 11:20:08 PM

Quote from: Louzie0Tim on July 28, 2015, 11:12:27 PM

I would love to see Berbatov play for Villa. He's like a Rolls Royce.

You give him two fingers whenever he drives past?

Just spilt my cocoa!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Louzie0 on July 28, 2015, 11:34:42 PM

Quote from: OCD on July 28, 2015, 11:31:47 PM

Quote from: Louzie0Tim on July 28, 2015, 11:12:27 PM

I would love to see Berbatov play for Villa. He's like a Rolls Royce.

A Rolls Royce parked in the garage that is rarely seen out on the road.

Classy whenever it appears, though. Hope it's true!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 28, 2015, 11:35:00 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 28, 2015, 11:26:46 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 28, 2015, 11:22:49 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 28, 2015, 11:18:08 PM

What the hell is going on with veretout?

Nothing out of the ordinary. Surely we all hadn't actually heard of him a little more than 24 hours ago?

But surely now you have, and others might want him, you have to have him?

I only want him now so I can add to my Jordan collection.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 28, 2015, 11:41:29 PM

I'm just struggling to keep track with what's going on really

I can barely remember all the players we've signed

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 28, 2015, 11:47:20 PM

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What the hell is going on with veretout?

Nothing out of the ordinary. Surely we all hadn't actually heard of him a little more than 24 hours ago?

But surely now you have, and others might want him, you have to have him?

I only want him now so I can add to my Jordan collection.

Let's hope Sherwood hasn't said the same about any of the Jordans.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on July 29, 2015, 12:15:28 AM

wait.. Berbatov?!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 29, 2015, 12:22:32 AM

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Couple of good signing still to come I've heard

Definitely not Townsend now

Come on then you little tease. Spill!

He wouldn't name them des. But said two good signings.

Thou they are looking at Lennon as a possibility which makes me think they want a winger maybe as they not into Townsend work ethnic .

Shit, don't let Percy see that...

Huh?

Sorry. Joke about him being "ethnic".

Oh yeah, missed that. Thought it might have been something about John Lennon being better than Pete Townshend.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: warleyboy on July 29, 2015, 12:28:28 AM

There is a link with us looking at buying Gestede from Blackburn still for 6mill and offering 3 players on loan, Robinson, Tonev and Hepburn.
Can't see us wanting another striker with Ade on his way, although I'd be mighty impressed.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Eckybloke on July 29, 2015, 01:00:17 AM

This is the sort of summer I expected when Randy and MON first appeared.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Diablo on July 29, 2015, 01:58:50 AM

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Last time I watched him properly was when we went to Fulham and got battered by Berbatov inside 45 minutes. He was fucking awesome. Now we are 18 months on but he seems to have played well for Monaco. I just hope that Kozak does get his chance to cement a place in the side and is not pushed aside by 2 old men. 1 I am happy to take as he makes sense. I am not sure on Berbatov. Though he couldn't half teach Grealish when to play a final ball.

Again, on a short term contract, it would be low risk and he would bring a shit load of experience.  Even at his age, I should imagine his movement would show up what we have seen generally from our forwards for the last 2 years.

Was TS at Spurs when Berbatov was?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on July 29, 2015, 02:06:48 AM

I still think we need a quality/experienced central defender.

If we are planning to play Richards there as first choice, I'd say that's a big gamble; and our other options are all injury-prone.

Title: Dimitar Berbatov
Post by: Dazvillain on July 29, 2015, 03:34:08 AM

Villa move in talks with Berbatov ,  http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/785003019?-11177:843:0

Also reported by several press threads too

Thoughts ?

Title: Re: Dimitar Berbatov
Post by: mr underhill on July 29, 2015, 05:23:55 AM

thoughts? incandescent with anger. As if one thirty something greedy lazy cnut wasn't bad enough we now try and sign the laziest 34 year old cnut in football - does he intend to play him in a wheelchair role? Just when you thought we might be making progress a double whammy. Awful and ghastly Tim

Title: Re: Dimitar Berbatov
Post by: Matt Collins on July 29, 2015, 06:05:24 AM

Adebayor, gabby, kozak, ayew, berbatov, Robinson. Plus grealish and Gil who Tim sees as a number ten

I'll believe it when I see it. Surely wider areas are the priority, unless the shape we've been playing in pre season isn't the one we'll play when it all kicks off

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 29, 2015, 06:08:14 AM

Yeah especially with okore out and senderos nowhere to be seen. Richards has hardly been ever fit in recent years either.

A £500k journeyman from Spain doesn't really fit the bill

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 29, 2015, 06:27:17 AM

Quote from: Diablo on July 29, 2015, 01:58:50 AM

Quote from: old man villa fan on July 28, 2015, 11:02:59 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 28, 2015, 10:57:10 PM

Last time I watched him properly was when we went to Fulham and got battered by Berbatov inside 45 minutes. He was fucking awesome. Now we are 18 months on but he seems to have played well for Monaco. I just hope that Kozak does get his chance to cement a place in the side and is not pushed aside by 2 old men. 1 I am happy to take as he makes sense. I am not sure on Berbatov. Though he couldn't half teach Grealish when to play a final ball.

Again, on a short term contract, it would be low risk and he would bring a shit load of experience.  Even at his age, I should imagine his movement would show up what we have seen generally from our forwards for the last 2 years.

Was TS at Spurs when Berbatov was?

He made him

Title: Re: Dimitar Berbatov
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 29, 2015, 07:04:04 AM

No thanks.

I blame Petrov.

Title: Re: Dimitar Berbatov
Post by: Dave P on July 29, 2015, 07:08:15 AM

Adebayor I can see the benefits of. But not Berbatov.

Title: Re: Dimitar Berbatov
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 29, 2015, 07:11:44 AM

Shouldn't this be in the rumours thread?  Or has a big been accepted?
I hope not.  Adebayor and possibly Ayew fill our lazy/sulky quota in my opinion.

Title: Re: Dimitar Berbatov
Post by: Clampy on July 29, 2015, 07:13:16 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 29, 2015, 05:23:55 AM

thoughts? incandescent with anger. As if one thirty something greedy lazy cnut wasn't bad enough we now try and sign the laziest 34 year old cnut in football - does he intend to play him in a wheelchair role? Just when you thought we might be making progress a double whammy. Awful and ghastly Tim

I'm not sure he's what we need either, but i'm hardly 'incandescent with anger'. Some people are so over the top it's untrue.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 29, 2015, 07:13:19 AM

Berbatov now! A friend of Petrov's it would seem.

Title: Re: Dimitar Berbatov
Post by: Ian. on July 29, 2015, 07:15:55 AM

This was a bit unexpected I must say though. It would give us options though I suppose.

Poor old Archie will wake up and have kittens this morning when reading this rumour.

Title: Re: Dimitar Berbatov
Post by: brian green on July 29, 2015, 07:34:33 AM

One flyer is enough and we have taken that with Adebayor.   This has all the feel of an agent trying to make something happen.   His arrival would send out very mixed messages and dilute the excellent work which has been done so far.   In addition I think if Adebayor is to come good he must feel that he is the magic man.   He clearly wants to be loved and we must at least give him the impression that we do.   Adebayor could be the new John Carew.   Berbatov would certainly be the new Robert Pires with added Ginola.

Title: Re: Dimitar Berbatov
Post by: sid1964 on July 29, 2015, 07:43:04 AM

there is no way we should be looking to sign a player like Berbatov, he would be a massive backward step for me

If both he and Adebayor are our front 2 then the opposition defence wont have much running to do!

I thought the days of signing players like this were done and we had learnt from our previous experiences - obviously not

If TIM keeps thinking of Spurs players from a few years who used to be good then he may as well play himself!

Title: Re: Dimitar Berbatov
Post by: Ron Manager on July 29, 2015, 08:02:11 AM

Quote from: brian green on July 29, 2015, 07:34:33 AM

One flyer is enough and we have taken that with Adebayor.   This has all the feel of an agent trying to make something happen.   His arrival would send out very mixed messages and dilute the excellent work which has been done so far.   In addition I think if Adebayor is to come good he must feel that he is the magic man.   He clearly wants to be loved and we must at least give him the impression that we do.   Adebayor could be the new John Carew.   Berbatov would certainly be the new Robert Pires with added Ginola.

That's it why don't we give Ginola a contract as well.
After all he's worth it!

Title: Re: Dimitar Berbatov
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on July 29, 2015, 08:09:11 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 29, 2015, 05:23:55 AM

thoughts? incandescent with anger. As if one thirty something greedy lazy cnut wasn't bad enough we now try and sign the laziest 34 year old cnut in football - does he intend to play him in a wheelchair role? Just when you thought we might be making progress a double whammy. Awful and ghastly Tim

Incandescent with anger? Really?

Title: Re: Dimitar Berbatov
Post by: PeterWithe on July 29, 2015, 08:11:36 AM

I can't see this being true at all.

Title: Re: Dimitar Berbatov
Post by: LeeB on July 29, 2015, 08:11:53 AM

Anyone would read some of these comments and think we were resigning Harewood.

As it happens, I reckon he's been sounded out on the basis of us not getting Adebayor.

Title: Re: Dimitar Berbatov
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 29, 2015, 08:16:22 AM

It seems likely he's being lined up in case Adebyor or Tottenham ask for too much money. I wouldn't be keen, I must say. On the plus side, he looks a bit like Dracula, so we might boost attendances by attracting more goths to Villa Park. Only for the night games, obviously.

Title: Re: Dimitar Berbatov
Post by: footyskillz on July 29, 2015, 08:17:09 AM

This would be lengendary if we had him in for a season. I think he'd offer far more than Joe Cole due to less injury prone. Another player grealish can learn off. Berbatov cud play in midfield or behind striker or up front. I'd rather have a proverb winner than a loan signing. Berbatov isn't lazy like adebayor.

Title: Re: Dimitar Berbatov
Post by: walsall villain on July 29, 2015, 08:17:43 AM

It's come from the same paper who are saying that parts of Britain will reach 30c this weekend, I don't believe that either.

Title: Re: Dimitar Berbatov
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 29, 2015, 08:22:13 AM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 29, 2015, 08:16:22 AM

It seems likely he's being lined up in case Adebyor or Tottenham ask for too much money. I wouldn't be keen, I must say. On the plus side, he looks a bit like Dracula, so we might boost attendances by attracting more goths to Villa Park. Only for the night games, obviously.

More Goths? Joe will be happy.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villabear on July 29, 2015, 08:23:02 AM

Centre half please Tim

Title: Re: Dimitar Berbatov
Post by: PeterWithe on July 29, 2015, 08:23:16 AM

Quote from: walsall villain on July 29, 2015, 08:17:43 AM

It's come from the same paper who are saying that parts of Britain will reach 30c this weekend, I don't believe that either.

At least its stopped them printing another Princess Diana story for at least a day.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 29, 2015, 08:28:14 AM

For all the exciting arrivals our defence is a big worry. It was awful and completely disorganised under Sherwood and I'm worried we're not concentrating on it enough. Would definitely be up for a centre back signing

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on July 29, 2015, 08:35:49 AM

I think you might be right, Richards never looks too far from an injury, Senderos is nowhere to be seen and there remains question marks over Clark and Baker, the former looked a little lightweight to me last night.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 29, 2015, 08:38:14 AM

Quote from: PeterWithe on July 29, 2015, 08:35:49 AM

I think you might be right, Richards never looks too far from an injury, Senderos is nowhere to be seen and there remains question marks over Clark and Baker, the former looked a little lightweight to me last night.

agree, I'm a little envious of the filth getting Chester. He might be costly but he's a good defender and I'd imagine he'd stick around for more than a couple of seasons.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 29, 2015, 08:43:08 AM

Carlos Sanchez could do a job at centre back as can Crespo and even amvai so think we re okay there. Though James Chester would ave been nuce

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 29, 2015, 08:44:05 AM

Sanchez at Centre back, no way

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on July 29, 2015, 08:45:39 AM

I suppose we have Okore as well but the lack of height with him partnering Richards is a concern.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 29, 2015, 08:46:09 AM

Quote from: TheMalandro on July 29, 2015, 08:38:14 AM

Quote from: PeterWithe on July 29, 2015, 08:35:49 AM

I think you might be right, Richards never looks too far from an injury, Senderos is nowhere to be seen and there remains question marks over Clark and Baker, the former looked a little lightweight to me last night.

agree, I'm a little envious of the filth getting Chester. He might be costly but he's a good defender and I'd imagine he'd stick around for more than a couple of seasons.

I've not seen a great deal of him but I do wonder how good he is if only the Albion and Leicester have come in for him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 29, 2015, 08:55:44 AM

 Sherwood and Wilkins will want to play midfield too. I remember reading about big Ron fancied himself in training matches. Dont know if it was him or some player but a book extract said Ron was like ginola or so he thought ! Or maybe I'm confused

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris Smith on July 29, 2015, 09:09:09 AM

Quote from: Clampy on July 29, 2015, 08:46:09 AM

Quote from: TheMalandro on July 29, 2015, 08:38:14 AM

Quote from: PeterWithe on July 29, 2015, 08:35:49 AM

I think you might be right, Richards never looks too far from an injury, Senderos is nowhere to be seen and there remains question marks over Clark and Baker, the former looked a little lightweight to me last night.

agree, I'm a little envious of the filth getting Chester. He might be costly but he's a good defender and I'd imagine he'd stick around for more than a couple of seasons.

I've not seen a great deal of him but I do wonder how good he is if only the Albion and Leicester have come in for him.

If you look at in from the other side, Leicester fans might think "why would he go to Villa when we have just finished above them"?

Limited squad sizes and home grown quotas stop teams from stockpiling players like they used to. Which is where clubs like Southampton have been quick to cotton on that they can buy young ambitious players and then make a big profit on the ones that prove themselves. It appears we have belatedly woken up to the possibilities.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: exigo on July 29, 2015, 09:21:25 AM

Quote from: Chris Smith on July 29, 2015, 09:09:09 AM

If you look at in from the other side, Leicester fans might think "why would he go to Villa when we have just finished above them"?

*Wheels out barrow of cash, whistling*

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JJ-AV on July 29, 2015, 09:24:24 AM

Adama Traore  :P

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 29, 2015, 09:31:40 AM

Quote from: JJ-AV on July 29, 2015, 09:24:24 AM

Adama Traore  :P

Is that just a like or is it a link?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 29, 2015, 09:32:52 AM

Surely Berbatov isn't really happening?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 29, 2015, 09:50:17 AM

golden oldies with a cultured foot brigade

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 29, 2015, 09:55:41 AM

Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 29, 2015, 09:50:17 AM

golden oldies with a cultured foot brigade

Berbatov needs a taxi to get around the pitch these days!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 29, 2015, 10:04:05 AM

I hope we're not in danger of doing a QPR. They're mostly young players which is good in many ways

If we signed berba and adebayor it would just scream Harry redknapp to me

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: The Man With A Stick on July 29, 2015, 10:09:41 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on July 29, 2015, 08:55:44 AM

Sherwood and Wilkins will want to play midfield too. I remember reading about big Ron fancied himself in training matches. Dont know if it was him or some player but a book extract said Ron was like ginola or so he thought ! Or maybe I'm confused

They do both like their dinners, maybe that's where the comparison came from.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 29, 2015, 10:15:48 AM

Ron was a twin striker at Oxford Utd. I saw him bludgeon in a terrific header at the Tilton End many years ago. Far better than Ginola!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on July 29, 2015, 10:38:15 AM

Why do I get the feeling that after Adebayor and Veretout we are still going to pull a few surprises out of the hat?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 29, 2015, 10:42:22 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 29, 2015, 09:32:52 AM

Surely Berbatov isn't really happening?

Seems really odd to me

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 29, 2015, 10:47:11 AM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 29, 2015, 10:42:22 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 29, 2015, 09:32:52 AM

Surely Berbatov isn't really happening?

Seems really odd to me

It did to me until I was reminded of the Petrov link, and the fact that he may know Sherwood too? He was a great talent, he's now 34 so peaked you would think, but doesn't rely on pace, and Zola was still very good for Chelsea at 36.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: CT on July 29, 2015, 10:49:48 AM

I remember when Fulham beat us 2-1 at VP - he ran the game, but literally at walking pace. Class above anything we had on show that day, including Grant Holt.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SamTheMouse on July 29, 2015, 11:00:05 AM

Berbatov barely made it above a jog for Monaco last season, and didn't get many goals, in a league where you get quite a lot of time on the ball. Once in a while he'll do something really special, but 99% of his time is spent strolling around waiting for the ball to come to him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 29, 2015, 11:05:33 AM

number of interesting free transfers  (from the bbc): Alberto Aquilani, Tranquillo Barnetta and Yoann Gourcuff.

I guess Aquilani is thought of as a bit of a flop but the beeb states 'Despite playing only 815 minutes of Premier League football, Aquilani provided six assists and scored one goal'

Anyway, looks like Tim has plenty of ideas.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on July 29, 2015, 11:10:08 AM

Quote from: CT on July 29, 2015, 10:49:48 AM

I remember when Fulham beat us 2-1 at VP - he ran the game, but literally at walking pace. Class above anything we had on show that day, including Grant Holt.

I caught him playing for Monaco last season against Arsenal in the Champions League. he was a class act that night.  Might be a decent option to bring off the bench, and experience in the dressing room.  He's great at playing final passes.
Think he scored 12 for Monaco last season so not a bad return.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 29, 2015, 11:14:21 AM

I love watching Berbatov, bit like Le Tissier in that doesn't run about chasing lost causes and looks like he can't be arsed but then does something outrageous. He's never relied on pace so don't think his age is a problem, he'd contribute more than Agbonlahor even if he only started a handful of games.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Louzie0 on July 29, 2015, 11:24:46 AM

Quote from: CT on July 29, 2015, 10:49:48 AM

I remember when Fulham beat us 2-1 at VP - he ran the game, but literally at walking pace. Class above anything we had on show that day, including Grant Holt.

That's my recollection of the match and his impact on the day, as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 29, 2015, 11:25:26 AM

Toughie, innit, Berbatov. We need some real quality up front, which he has. Is there a proven premier league goalscorer available within our, or 75% of the rest of the division's for that matter, budget that's the answer long-term? We seem to be packing the squad with youth and energy, so maybe his sanguine tendencies won't be as detrimental as they would've been in recent seasons past. I really don't know. I like him, think I'll just have to trust Sherwood's judgement on this one.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 29, 2015, 11:33:05 AM

Yeah I like him too. As pointed out, he could be a regular impact substitute initially, and of course if all goes tits up with the other strikers and he looks good we could use him much more. Again, it's extra insurance that we always have something up our sleeve.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 29, 2015, 11:37:58 AM

Quote from: Chris Jameson on July 29, 2015, 11:14:21 AM

I love watching Berbatov, bit like Le Tissier in that doesn't run about chasing lost causes and looks like he can't be arsed but then does something outrageous. He's never relied on pace so don't think his age is a problem, he'd contribute more than Agbonlahor even if he only started a handful of games.

I agree. When he's on he's quite imperious and he might being brought in for his knowledge, experience and to help the environment at the club. Look at what we have gone from to going to. Berbatov clearly isn't what he was but if this is nothing else other than a short term move, a bit of a PR initiative, but ultimately benefits the squad for a year including him doing some lovely things on things on the pitch from time to time, then why not?

Agree with Clampy too. Why on earth are some people going mental over this possible signing or Adebayor? I'm enjoying this way, way more than any summer I can remember in absolutely ages. A mix of seen it, done it, talented older players and up and coming impressive players from France. What's not to enjoy?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve R on July 29, 2015, 11:50:07 AM

According to a report on BFM TV sport (http://rmcsport.bfmtv.com/football/mercato-om-thauvin-recale-plusieurs-clubs-anglais-904666.html) We have outbid Newcastle for Olympic Marseille attacking midfielder Florian Thauvin, but have been rebuffed by the player who wants to stay at OM.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 29, 2015, 11:54:45 AM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 29, 2015, 10:15:48 AM

Ron was a twin striker at Oxford Utd. I saw him bludgeon in a terrific header at the Tilton End many years ago. Far better than Ginola!

Ron was a wing-half. He bludgeoned a lot though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ROBBO on July 29, 2015, 11:56:13 AM

I know we have a lot of Benteke money but does anyone else think that we are spending as though money isn't an issue?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 29, 2015, 11:58:27 AM

Quote from: ROBBO on July 29, 2015, 11:56:13 AM

I know we have a lot of Benteke money but does anyone else think that we are spending as though money isn't an issue?

Not really when you keep in mind the new Tv money

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 29, 2015, 11:59:10 AM

Quote from: ROBBO on July 29, 2015, 11:56:13 AM

I know we have a lot of Benteke money but does anyone else think that we are spending as though money isn't an issue?

I don't think that's the case. The argument was made that it was more the wages that were killing us and long term anchor like contracts. We had rid ourselves of several of those, new TV money, our own prize money, commercial revenues, transfer revenues and for added spice a little ambition. I think we have been very sensible overall in overhauling the squad and coaching staff.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 29, 2015, 12:03:20 PM

Quote from: ROBBO on July 29, 2015, 11:56:13 AM

I know we have a lot of Benteke money but does anyone else think that we are spending as though money isn't an issue?

This is not an anti Randy post, but we've not spent the incoming money for Lowton, Weimann,  Benteke and Delph yet have we?

It's reaching a point where I'm more nervous about integrating so many new faces into a team than how much we are or aren't spending.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 29, 2015, 12:06:12 PM

Quote from: ROBBO on July 29, 2015, 11:56:13 AM

I know we have a lot of Benteke money but does anyone else think that we are spending as though money isn't an issue?

Must admit that thought has crossed my mind.  This is very unlike Villa. Well the old Villa anyway.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: montague on July 29, 2015, 12:13:45 PM

It's reaching a point where I'm more nervous about integrating so many new faces into a team than how much we are or aren't spending.
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Just like 1991!! I think its quite exciting.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ROBBO on July 29, 2015, 12:16:19 PM

I really can't get my head around all the action it must be an age thing that makes me so suspicious or it could be following this club.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 29, 2015, 12:17:51 PM

It is exciting but I am a bit concerned about integrating everyone - both footballing wise and into re group

I'm sure there'll be a lot of French spoken at BMH. We're also really short on dependable premier league experience. Really really short

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 29, 2015, 12:20:05 PM

Quote from: ROBBO on July 29, 2015, 11:56:13 AM

I know we have a lot of Benteke money but does anyone else think that we are spending as though money isn't an issue?

I wouldn't say that, but I would say that we're spending money on players who suggest we've put a bit of effort into researching, and who aren't almost all located in the bargain basement selection.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 29, 2015, 12:20:26 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 29, 2015, 12:17:51 PM

It is exciting but I am a bit concerned about integrating everyone - both footballing wise and into re group

I'm sure there'll be a lot of French spoken at BMH. We're also really short on dependable premier league experience. Really really short

Lorna Languages or whatever she's called is going to be really busy.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Summers on July 29, 2015, 12:21:47 PM

Quote from: ROBBO on July 29, 2015, 11:56:13 AM

I know we have a lot of Benteke money but does anyone else think that we are spending as though money isn't an issue?

I think we're spending like staying comfortably in the top division is the plan - for once.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 29, 2015, 12:58:19 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 29, 2015, 12:20:26 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 29, 2015, 12:17:51 PM

It is exciting but I am a bit concerned about integrating everyone - both footballing wise and into re group

I'm sure there'll be a lot of French spoken at BMH. We're also really short on dependable premier league experience. Really really short

Lorna Languages or whatever she's called is going to be really busy.

She already has he hands full interpreting Gabby and Jack :)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: themossman on July 29, 2015, 01:00:43 PM

Those figures someone linked to yesterday put it in context. If Veretout signs we've still got somewhere north of 10m left from the transfers out (I know it doesnt actually work like that), having also got loads of big salaries off the books. Considering the league performance last season you could argue we should be spending a lot more on top of that as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 29, 2015, 01:07:36 PM

Quote from: themossman on July 29, 2015, 01:00:43 PM

Those figures someone linked to yesterday put it in context. If Veretout signs we've still got somewhere north of 10m left from the transfers out (I know it doesnt actually work like that), having also got loads of big salaries off the books. Considering the league performance last season you could argue we should be spending a lot more on top of that as well.

It should never really be about net spend. It should be about what you do with your what you have. If every window we broken even, but sold a player or two for a combined 30-40m, then bought 3-4 players with it we can continue to improve in all areas. If things work out the way they should we shouldn't need complete overhauls every year. This summer should be the exception and we should be able to add key pieces going forward. Now, if we aspire to get into the CL (a complete pipe dream right now off course), then we need be shopping at a better store. No point getting ahead of ourselves, but for now, if we spend 30-40m well, we shouldn't kicking around the arse end of the table at any point and we can build from there.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 29, 2015, 01:13:15 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 29, 2015, 12:17:51 PM

I'm sure there'll be a lot of French spoken at BMH. We're also really short on dependable premier league experience. Really really short

You could argue so were Southampton when they brought their foreign players in, and they did ok.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 29, 2015, 01:15:46 PM

Yes but they had a strong spine: clyne, fonte, schneiderlin, wanyama

We've lost ours

Not saying it won't work but it must be a risk / might take some adjusting to

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ryu on July 29, 2015, 01:21:55 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 29, 2015, 01:15:46 PM

Yes but they had a strong spine: clyne, fonte, schneiderlin, wanyama

We've lost ours

Not saying it won't work but it must be a risk / might take some adjusting to

Wanyama is a bit rubbish. And they lost their centre forward, main centre back and attacking midfielder, which is all pretty Spiney. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villatillidie25 on July 29, 2015, 01:27:36 PM

Quote from: Ryu on July 29, 2015, 01:21:55 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 29, 2015, 01:15:46 PM

Yes but they had a strong spine: clyne, fonte, schneiderlin, wanyama

We've lost ours

Not saying it won't work but it must be a risk / might take some adjusting to

Wanyama is a bit rubbish. And they lost their centre forward, main centre back and attacking midfielder, which is all pretty Spiney. 

Wanyama is very good...

They also replaced an ageing Lambert with Pelle (an upgrade), Lovren with Alderwield (an upgrade), Lallana with Tadic and Mane (an upgrade).

While I am excited by our signings we are currently probably in the position where we haven't really replaced Benteke and Gueye is something of an unknown quantity so may not be the answer to replacing Judas.

Having said that, Ayew, Richards and (hopefully) Veretout are all upgrades.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ryu on July 29, 2015, 01:33:29 PM

Quote from: Villatillidie25 on July 29, 2015, 01:27:36 PM

Quote from: Ryu on July 29, 2015, 01:21:55 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 29, 2015, 01:15:46 PM

Yes but they had a strong spine: clyne, fonte, schneiderlin, wanyama

We've lost ours

Not saying it won't work but it must be a risk / might take some adjusting to

Wanyama is a bit rubbish. And they lost their centre forward, main centre back and attacking midfielder, which is all pretty Spiney. 

Wanyama is very good...

They also replaced an ageing Lambert with Pelle (an upgrade), Lovren with Alderwield (an upgrade), Lallana with Tadic and Mane (an upgrade).

While I am excited by our signings we are currently probably in the position where we haven't really replaced Benteke and Gueye is something of an unknown quantity so may not be the answer to replacing Judas.

Having said that, Ayew, Richards and (hopefully) Veretout are all upgrades.

Got to disagree there, I really don't think he's all that.

I think the point that was being made is that Southamptons signings were also unknown quantities. 

And replacing somebody who either scored or assisted almost all our goals is basically impossible.  I think it's the best course to use the money to improve all areas of the team.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on July 29, 2015, 01:36:59 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 29, 2015, 12:17:51 PM

It is exciting but I am a bit concerned about integrating everyone - both footballing wise and into re group

I'm sure there'll be a lot of French spoken at BMH. We're also really short on dependable premier league experience. Really really short

My concern too.

Some of these players look like they would add the final flourish to an already solid core.

But we don't have that. 

There is a balance to be found between Martin O'No's myopic Prem only approach and Newcastle Château.  Cliques have formed at other English clubs when there has been a collection of foreigners all of the same nationality (or speak the same language, as per the African Francophones). 

So it is a risk.

As is giving a manager who has never signed his own players before so much to spend. 

Moan when we don't spend, moan when we do.  Moan moan moan.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Small Rodent on July 29, 2015, 01:43:11 PM

Quote from: Ryu on July 29, 2015, 01:21:55 PM

Wanyama is a bit rubbish. And they lost their centre forward, main centre back and attacking midfielder, which is all pretty Spiney.

DINSDALE!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 29, 2015, 01:45:39 PM

Quote from: Villatillidie25 on July 29, 2015, 01:27:36 PM

Quote from: Ryu on July 29, 2015, 01:21:55 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 29, 2015, 01:15:46 PM

Yes but they had a strong spine: clyne, fonte, schneiderlin, wanyama

We've lost ours

Not saying it won't work but it must be a risk / might take some adjusting to

Wanyama is a bit rubbish. And they lost their centre forward, main centre back and attacking midfielder, which is all pretty Spiney. 

Wanyama is very good...

They also replaced an ageing Lambert with Pelle (an upgrade), Lovren with Alderwield (an upgrade), Lallana with Tadic and Mane (an upgrade).

While I am excited by our signings we are currently probably in the position where we haven't really replaced Benteke and Gueye is something of an unknown quantity so may not be the answer to replacing Judas.

Having said that, Ayew, Richards and (hopefully) Veretout are all upgrades.

That's a good use of hindsight there but very few people were seeing that business as a bunch of upgrades at the time.

For me if we add Adebayor and Veretout I think the squad is stronger than last season.  If we can add a couple more youngsters to bring through slowly then I'll be very happy.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on July 29, 2015, 01:47:47 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 29, 2015, 12:17:51 PM

It is exciting but I am a bit concerned about integrating everyone - both footballing wise and into re group

I'm sure there'll be a lot of French spoken at BMH. We're also really short on dependable premier league experience. Really really short

Is there really something concrete which shows that "dependable premier league experience" helps keep teams up? Because it sounds to me like a lazy cliche trotted out because it seems like it should make sense. I mean, it sure didn't help keep QPR up last season. Personally, I think that players of such ilk often correlate too closely with half-arsed, middle-of-the-road veterans looking to attain themselves one last full contract from a PL team.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 29, 2015, 01:50:24 PM

Quote from: KevinGage on July 29, 2015, 01:36:59 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 29, 2015, 12:17:51 PM

It is exciting but I am a bit concerned about integrating everyone - both footballing wise and into re group

I'm sure there'll be a lot of French spoken at BMH. We're also really short on dependable premier league experience. Really really short

My concern too.

Some of these players look like they would add the final flourish to an already solid core.

But we don't have that. 

There is a balance to be found between Martin O'No's myopic Prem only approach and Newcastle Château.  Cliques have formed at other English clubs when there has been a collection of foreigners all of the same nationality (or speak the same language, as per the African Francophones. 

So it is a risk.

As is giving a manager who has never signed his own players before so much to spend. 

Moan when we don't spend, moan when we do.  Moan moan moan.

For me Sherwood has acted more like an experienced football manager than Lambert did in his past two years. Or even McLeish for that matter. And not talking about signings but more about the staff he put together to help him in areas where he is inexperienced. That and Fox has acted to add to people to the club to help with the administration. Fox and Sherwood or Faulkner and Lambert?

As for player spend, Lambert was generally fine there when he spent decent money. The jury will be out any any purchase until we see them blend, and it doesn't have to happen immediately. It might take a few weeks. But the quality of acquisition is better, not from what we know but written by those who observe French or European football as profession. I hope the days of signing Bennett and Bowery are long past us.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 29, 2015, 01:56:27 PM

Put it this way, Richards is a big upgrade on Vlaar, Amavi is a big upgrade on Cissokho, Gueye will probably be at least as good as Delph, we have Kozak back who will score goals along with a continually increasing number of options up front (so overall will be stronger there, especially when you consider Benteke was injured a lot), and I think players such as Sanchez, Gill and J Cole if he stays fit, will offer more than they did last season. Plus an emerging Grealish and a better manager and assistant. Sorry if I sound like I'm getting carried away but I really can't see us struggling at all next season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cyrilina on July 29, 2015, 01:56:51 PM

http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/aston-villa/transfer-talk/news/aston-villa-chase-rudy-gestede_235871.html    Rudy Gestede alongside Adebayor?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on July 29, 2015, 02:12:41 PM

Quote from: Summers on July 29, 2015, 12:21:47 PM

Quote from: ROBBO on July 29, 2015, 11:56:13 AM

I know we have a lot of Benteke money but does anyone else think that we are spending as though money isn't an issue?

I think we're spending like staying comfortably in the top division is the plan - for once.

with the new tv money kicking in next season, it is more important to stay up than it was before, hence the spending I would imagine. I notice that Middlesboro are also spending big, presumably gambling on getting promotion and gaining from the new found riches

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 29, 2015, 02:17:46 PM

Im excited
Im loving these signings even If we are spending a bit . Great isnt it

beats signing the likes of shorey , harewood and Beye

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 29, 2015, 02:26:27 PM

We finished seventeenth. Plenty of scope for improvement and promise too

But even in our good run last year we were shit at the back and benteke scored about 70% of our goals while the cleverly / Delph axis was crucial to getting on top of games

I haven't seen anything in pre season to suggest we've really figured out how we want to play yet either

I think he's making some excellent signings but the premier league is both an unforgiving and mediocre place - which makes it really hard to predict how we're going to do

Bournemouth a and Man U home isn't the start I'd wish for a team that's going to be somewhat thrown together at late notice

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 29, 2015, 02:29:48 PM

Blimey Matt. When did you get into that machine from The Fly and become part Silhilvilla?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 29, 2015, 02:45:28 PM

Quote from: ROBBO on July 29, 2015, 11:56:13 AM

I know we have a lot of Benteke money but does anyone else think that we are spending as though money isn't an issue?

Still in the black with our summer dealings, aren't we? We need a major overhaul. There's too much of a premium to pay for players from other PL clubs, especially for ones who'd dramatically improve us, irrespective of whether we could actually entice them here, and there's not many players from bottom-half clubs in the price bracket we seem to be paying that'd make us much better. Yeah, we are probably paying a bit over the odds, but we're a PL club, and, as far as the rest of the world is concerned, that means we're minted and they'll squeeze every penny out of us that they can.
The proof of the pudding shall be in the eating, but I'm looking forward to a spoonful.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on July 29, 2015, 03:09:05 PM

Bit of a slight tangent...but with all the new signings and the likelihood that we'll shed a few more British players, how are we looking in terms of meeting the home grown rules? I know we were well in surplus a few months ago but I believe we have approx 12 at the moment and need 8 home grown players in a squad of 25 as the rules currently stand.

edit:
1. Baker
2. Clark
3. Steer
4. Bunn
5. Richardson
6. Hutton
7. Richards
8. Sinclair
9. Cole
10. Westwood
11. Grealish
12. Agbonlahor

If we sign Adebayor and Veretout then that will likely bring homegrown players down to 10 in a squad of 25, but we could still afford to get rid of upto 4 of the highlighted above if deemed surplus to requirements.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 29, 2015, 03:29:51 PM

I'd off Baker but keep the rest.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 29, 2015, 03:32:53 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 29, 2015, 01:50:24 PM

For me Sherwood has acted more like an experienced football manager than Lambert did in his past two years. Or even McLeish for that matter. And not talking about signings but more about the staff he put together to help him in areas where he is inexperienced. That and Fox has acted to add to people to the club to help with the administration. Fox and Sherwood or Faulkner and Lambert?

With so many new faces arriving this summer it's just as well Sherwood has a large backroom team to support him. Now it's up to him and his team to get the lads playing as a unit. One trait I recognise in all the new chaps is a willingness to work really hard. Add that to the ability to play fast, fluid football, hopefully it shouldn't be too difficult to get the squad in sync.

On transfers, Sherwood has had our 'unofficial' Director of Football, Paddy Reilly, to hold his hand. Together, along with Fox we finally have a structure that could just work well for us.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 29, 2015, 03:40:13 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 29, 2015, 02:29:48 PM

Blimey Matt. When did you get into that machine from The Fly and become part Silhilvilla?

I was thinking the same but didn't want to be the first to say,

Cheer up Matt

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aev on July 29, 2015, 03:41:10 PM

I am with you Matt, all this optimism is dangerous.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ryu on July 29, 2015, 03:42:17 PM

Quote from: KRS on July 29, 2015, 03:09:05 PM

Bit of a slight tangent...but with all the new signings and the likelihood that we'll shed a few more British players, how are we looking in terms of meeting the home grown rules? I know we were well in surplus a few months ago but I believe we have approx 12 at the moment and need 8 home grown players in a squad of 25 as the rules currently stand.

edit:
1. Baker
2. Clark
3. Steer
4. Bunn
5. Richardson
6. Hutton
7. Richards
8. Sinclair
9. Cole
10. Westwood
11. Grealish
12. Agbonlahor

If we sign Adebayor and Veretout then that will likely bring homegrown players down to 10 in a squad of 25, but we could still afford to get rid of upto 4 of the highlighted above if deemed surplus to requirements.

Senderos is home grown according to the rules.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 29, 2015, 03:59:01 PM

Joe Cole really is leading a charmed life if he gets retained.   Admittedly his Tout Verre (geddit?) constitution had him injured most of the time but his flashes of talent were even fewer than Charles N'Zogbia last season

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 29, 2015, 04:14:32 PM

Quote from: KRS on July 29, 2015, 03:09:05 PM

Bit of a slight tangent...but with all the new signings and the likelihood that we'll shed a few more British players, how are we looking in terms of meeting the home grown rules? I know we were well in surplus a few months ago but I believe we have approx 12 at the moment and need 8 home grown players in a squad of 25 as the rules currently stand.

edit:
1. Baker
2. Clark
3. Steer
4. Bunn
5. Richardson
6. Hutton
7. Richards
8. Sinclair
9. Cole
10. Westwood
11. Grealish
12. Agbonlahor

If we sign Adebayor and Veretout then that will likely bring homegrown players down to 10 in a squad of 25, but we could still afford to get rid of upto 4 of the highlighted above if deemed surplus to requirements.

Grealish is too young to take up a spot in the squad.

Whatever happens, Clark, Richards, Bunn, Gabby, Sinclair, Westwood and Hutton will likely be included meaning that one of Senderos, Baker, Steer, Richardson and Cole will be the eighth that we need and more likely more than one of them.

So we don't need to worry about it anytime soon.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 29, 2015, 04:19:42 PM

Quote from: brian green on July 29, 2015, 03:59:01 PM

Joe Cole really is leading a charmed life if he gets retained.   Admittedly his Tout Verre (geddit?) constitution had him injured most of the time but his flashes of talent were even fewer than Charles N'Zogbia last season

To be fair though Cole has hardly had any kind of chance to show what he can do, and I think if he stays fit (big if) he will have a decent season for us. N Zog has had shit loads of opportunity for 4 seasons and has proved himself to be cack. I'm not sure I've actually seen him have a good game once.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 29, 2015, 04:27:11 PM

Clark, I do not doubt Cole's talent for one minute.   The problem is that in the Premiership you do not have the luxury of time.   I fear that we will not have time to shepherd Joe Cole back to anything like full fitness.   Regrettable though that is.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 29, 2015, 04:28:44 PM

Who's Joe Cole?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: *shellac* on July 29, 2015, 04:31:00 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 29, 2015, 04:28:44 PM

Who's Joe Cole?

A very talented pedal steel player.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 29, 2015, 04:35:39 PM

Quote from: brian green on July 29, 2015, 04:27:11 PM

Clark, I do not doubt Cole's talent for one minute.   The problem is that in the Premiership you do not have the luxury of time.   I fear that we will not have time to shepherd Joe Cole back to anything like full fitness.   Regrettable though that is.

If deemed to be fit when the squad has to be submitted though I'd keep him in. If there is any doubt and it will end up as a wasted place, then that's different.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villatillidie25 on July 29, 2015, 04:36:03 PM

Quote from: paul_e on July 29, 2015, 01:45:39 PM

Quote from: Villatillidie25 on July 29, 2015, 01:27:36 PM

Quote from: Ryu on July 29, 2015, 01:21:55 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 29, 2015, 01:15:46 PM

Yes but they had a strong spine: clyne, fonte, schneiderlin, wanyama

We've lost ours

Not saying it won't work but it must be a risk / might take some adjusting to

Wanyama is a bit rubbish. And they lost their centre forward, main centre back and attacking midfielder, which is all pretty Spiney. 

Wanyama is very good...

They also replaced an ageing Lambert with Pelle (an upgrade), Lovren with Alderwield (an upgrade), Lallana with Tadic and Mane (an upgrade).

While I am excited by our signings we are currently probably in the position where we haven't really replaced Benteke and Gueye is something of an unknown quantity so may not be the answer to replacing Judas.

Having said that, Ayew, Richards and (hopefully) Veretout are all upgrades.

That's a good use of hindsight there but very few people were seeing that business as a bunch of upgrades at the time.

For me if we add Adebayor and Veretout I think the squad is stronger than last season.  If we can add a couple more youngsters to bring through slowly then I'll be very happy.

I'm not sure it is too much hindsight:

Lambert was solid but relatively unspectacular and ageing.
Lovren, I think most thought was decent but overrated. His move has been something of a disaster.
Lallana was probably the biggest loss and, although Tadic was well known and rated, I confess that Mane was new to me.
I wouldn't say Chambers was much of a loss either, having not played loads of them that season.

As for, whether we are stronger. If we add Adebayor and Veretout then we probably are but only when you include the other signings and departures. I woudn't say Veretout and Adebayor are better than Benteke and Judas on their own though

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 29, 2015, 04:39:03 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 29, 2015, 04:14:32 PM

Quote from: KRS on July 29, 2015, 03:09:05 PM

Bit of a slight tangent...but with all the new signings and the likelihood that we'll shed a few more British players, how are we looking in terms of meeting the home grown rules? I know we were well in surplus a few months ago but I believe we have approx 12 at the moment and need 8 home grown players in a squad of 25 as the rules currently stand.

edit:
1. Baker
2. Clark
3. Steer
4. Bunn
5. Richardson
6. Hutton
7. Richards
8. Sinclair
9. Cole
10. Westwood
11. Grealish
12. Agbonlahor

If we sign Adebayor and Veretout then that will likely bring homegrown players down to 10 in a squad of 25, but we could still afford to get rid of upto 4 of the highlighted above if deemed surplus to requirements.

Grealish is too young to take up a spot in the squad.

Whatever happens, Clark, Richards, Bunn, Gabby, Sinclair, Westwood and Hutton will likely be included meaning that one of Senderos, Baker, Steer, Richardson and Cole will be the eighth that we need and more likely more than one of them.

So we don't need to worry about it anytime soon.

Missing Gardner who can take the Grealish spot.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 29, 2015, 04:42:45 PM

Good point.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on July 29, 2015, 05:17:32 PM

Well spotted. They need to update the squad list on the official site...Herd is still on there for some reason.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Louzie0 on July 29, 2015, 05:51:49 PM

If the numbers at Villa get too low after Tim's moved some more of the players on, John Gregory has tweeted an ideal home grown player to recruit.  Joey Barton.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on July 29, 2015, 06:17:46 PM

Dont you mean Jordan Barton?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LTA on July 29, 2015, 06:42:40 PM

https://betting.betfair.com/football/premier-league/aston-villa/aston-villa-premier-league-2015-2016-betting-preview-260715-39.html?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

We don't seem flavour of the month with many bookies......

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 29, 2015, 06:49:41 PM

Quote from: LTA on July 29, 2015, 06:42:40 PM

https://betting.betfair.com/football/premier-league/aston-villa/aston-villa-premier-league-2015-2016-betting-preview-260715-39.html?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

We don't seem flavour of the month with many bookies......

Yes, the descriptions of Shay Given as our first choice keeper and Cleverley as a playmaker were particularly astute, I thought.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 29, 2015, 06:50:19 PM

Quote from: LTA on July 29, 2015, 06:42:40 PM

https://betting.betfair.com/football/premier-league/aston-villa/aston-villa-premier-league-2015-2016-betting-preview-260715-39.html?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

We don't seem flavour of the month with many bookies......

Quote

f you narrowly avoid the drop, the last thing that you need is to lose your first-choice goalkeeper (Shay Given), centre back (Ron Vlaar)

Pretty sure neither of those were our first choice in their positions....

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frank black on July 29, 2015, 06:52:13 PM

To be fair to the bookies, loosing your two best players and buying up a load of unproven prospects and a rather iffy Adebayor is going to make you amongst the favourites to fall.

But i would say wholesale change is required and I think we will survive.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Louzie0 on July 29, 2015, 06:54:55 PM

Quote from: KRS on July 29, 2015, 06:17:46 PM

Dont you mean Jordan Barton?

Of course! So close...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 29, 2015, 06:56:04 PM

How will we cope without Shay Given?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 29, 2015, 06:57:00 PM

Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 29, 2015, 06:56:04 PM

How will we cope without Shay Given?

Better.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on July 29, 2015, 07:36:38 PM

Aston Villa in handicap betting are very enticing. +44pts at 16/1.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on July 29, 2015, 08:04:17 PM

Transfers need to achieve a balanced team/squad.

If your goals for is about the same as goals against you generally finish mid-table (providing you are scoring more than a goal a game).  If you can either, score an average of a goal and a half per game or only concede a goal a game you will be approaching top 6.  If you do both, you will be pushing CL place.

To achieve the above, I still think we need either a big improvement at right back or a solid central defender coming in.  I do not see many in the PL that we could get within our price range so again it will be Europe

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 29, 2015, 08:30:59 PM

Quote from: Chris Jameson on July 29, 2015, 11:14:21 AM

I love watching Berbatov, bit like Le Tissier in that doesn't run about chasing lost causes and looks like he can't be arsed but then does something outrageous. He's never relied on pace so don't think his age is a problem, he'd contribute more than Agbonlahor even if he only started a handful of games.

I like the way he has his thumb through the shirt business. kind of like the cool drop out kid who was into indie and other shit and skinned up and gave you a toke. just has that cool presence.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on July 29, 2015, 08:34:19 PM

I would be looking for next Martin Laursen for central defender as we need someone to head in goals. All those new signings and there is no vikings like Mellberg/Laursen :(

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 29, 2015, 08:54:38 PM

Caulker? I'd have had him on loan.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 29, 2015, 09:05:07 PM

Quote from: Stirchley Villain on July 29, 2015, 08:54:38 PM

Caulker? I'd have had him on loan.

*shrugs*

Suppose he could have fought it out with Baker and Senderos for fourth choice central defender.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 29, 2015, 09:10:20 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 29, 2015, 09:05:07 PM

Quote from: Stirchley Villain on July 29, 2015, 08:54:38 PM

Caulker? I'd have had him on loan.

*shrugs*

Suppose he could have fought it out with Baker and Senderos for fourth choice central defender.

Never injured (apart from the time outside the pub)... so you can throw Clark and Richards into the bag too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on July 29, 2015, 10:06:05 PM

So I've just noticed the Berbatov link. That would be a ludicrous signing, right out of the Villakicks book of Football Manager 2007 daydreams, but I am a huge Berbatov fan. In terms of post 30 former spurs strikers, I'd probably take him over Adebayor. It would be a disaster but there'd be a handful of games where he felt like it, where he'd undoubtedly look a class apart.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 29, 2015, 10:11:27 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 29, 2015, 09:05:07 PM

Quote from: Stirchley Villain on July 29, 2015, 08:54:38 PM

Caulker? I'd have had him on loan.

*shrugs*

Suppose he could have fought it out with Baker and Senderos for fourth choice central defender.

Dipped last few seasons from promise at Swansea.

Might be an indication Southampton will dip a bit this season with europe and them losing more key players as Caulker will be a first choice.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 29, 2015, 10:47:01 PM

Alan Nixon thinks we're negotiating still for gestede

I'd have thought we've enough in that position and need more elsewhere

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 29, 2015, 10:52:41 PM

I just watched a youtube of every one of Gestede's goals last season, and pretty much every single one of them was inside the six yard box.

Struck me as very much a Darren Bent style player.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 29, 2015, 10:58:13 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 29, 2015, 10:52:41 PM

I just watched a youtube of every one of Gestede's goals last season, and pretty much every single one of them was inside the six yard box.

Struck me as very much a Darren Bent style player.

Jordan Rhodes is the one most like Darren Bent. Gestede is a target man.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 29, 2015, 11:27:19 PM

Liverpool really struggled to deal with Gestede in the FA Cup quarter final games. I remember thinking that if Benteke were to go, he could be someone that comes in.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: wozwebs on July 29, 2015, 11:38:57 PM

Michu approached says whispers on Twitter. Been bang on so far about most things

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 29, 2015, 11:44:21 PM

Quote from: wozwebs on July 29, 2015, 11:38:57 PM

Michu approached says whispers on Twitter. Been bang on so far about most things

I saw that.

Although I also saw this:

Fran Hermida ‏@franhermida1  31m31 minutes ago View translation
Michu no jugará en el Deportivo. El Aston Villa parece ser su destino.

from a sports journalist in La Coruna half an hour ago.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 29, 2015, 11:44:31 PM

I'm beginning to think Sherwood spent too long working alongside Harry Redknapp. Someone should remind him that we can't have a squad bigger than 25.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 29, 2015, 11:44:31 PM

FWIW, I'd take a punt on Michu.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Summers on July 29, 2015, 11:45:38 PM

Michu is busted, I think. Shame as he was quality when fit.

I'd be happy with Gestede coming in.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 29, 2015, 11:45:58 PM

Have the rules changed this season? Are we now allowed to field 20 players?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 29, 2015, 11:46:41 PM

Decent bar is Mechu.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Pete3206 on July 29, 2015, 11:58:33 PM

Can you imagine what this thread would look like if were going through another Lambert pre season?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 30, 2015, 12:03:13 AM

Quote from: Pete3206 on July 29, 2015, 11:58:33 PM

Can you imagine what this thread would look like if were going through another Lambert pre season?

I don't think it'd be much different really. Signing players is quite exciting.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 30, 2015, 12:03:22 AM

So are we signing Tom huddleton or what ?? Those rumours went quiet . I would have liked a few of those hull players chester, Brady, nduaye aren't coming yet were linked. Robertson and brady together wouldn't have cost as much as amavi did. Mcshane on a free aws squaud member instead of crespo.
I think there's two or more signings to come maybe more if players are moving on.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 30, 2015, 12:05:21 AM

Quote from: supertom on July 29, 2015, 10:06:05 PM

So I've just noticed the Berbatov link. That would be a ludicrous signing, right out of the Villakicks book of Football Manager 2007 daydreams, but I am a huge Berbatov fan. In terms of post 30 former spurs strikers, I'd probably take him over Adebayor. It would be a disaster but there'd be a handful of games where he felt like it, where he'd undoubtedly look a class apart.

Beautiful dreams that become reality. We're going back to the future . still would like saviola.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Risso on July 30, 2015, 12:10:13 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 29, 2015, 11:44:31 PM

FWIW, I'd take a punt on Michu.

Blimey, Adebayor, Berbatov and Michu, how long until Ruud van Nistelrooy and Andy Cole get a call?!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 30, 2015, 12:15:02 AM

Quote from: aj2k77 on July 29, 2015, 07:36:38 PM

Aston Villa in handicap betting are very enticing. +44pts at 16/1.

Yes if we get around 46+points say the leagues competitive up top then yes, yes it is. Plus sure can cover it somehow as season goes . but for me both teams to score every week on villa matches !!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 30, 2015, 12:16:35 AM

Quote from: Des Little on July 29, 2015, 11:45:58 PM

Have the rules changed this season? Are we now allowed to field 20 players?

I hope so because we were generally pretty gash with 11.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 30, 2015, 12:17:24 AM

Quote from: Risso on July 30, 2015, 12:10:13 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 29, 2015, 11:44:31 PM

FWIW, I'd take a punt on Michu.

Blimey, Adebayor, Berbatov and Michu, how long until Ruud van Nistelrooy and Andy Cole get a call?!

We can have our very own 2007 all star team!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: wozwebs on July 30, 2015, 12:19:12 AM

Sinclair and Michu linked up well at Swansea

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: itbrvilla on July 30, 2015, 12:44:38 AM

 An article popped up on my Google Now saying avilla and spurs have green light to sign Asley Young.  (http://www.footballfancast.com/premier-league/spurs-aston-villa-given-green-light-to-sign-resurgent-old-trafford-ace). Likely bollocks.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Diablo on July 30, 2015, 01:18:03 AM

Quote from: itbrvilla on July 30, 2015, 12:44:38 AM

An article popped up on my Google Now saying avilla and spurs have green light to sign Asley Young.  (http://www.footballfancast.com/premier-league/spurs-aston-villa-given-green-light-to-sign-resurgent-old-trafford-ace). Likely bollocks.

MEN is normally pretty reliable actually. Talksh@te saying the opposite lol http://talksport.com/football/ashley-young-quash-tottenham-transfer-talk-signing-new-manchester-united-contract#Q0Q9ry47igxemdPu.99

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 30, 2015, 01:28:34 AM

I think we should sign 'Choccy' McClair. 20+ goals in the 87-88 season. Class is permanent.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 30, 2015, 07:16:58 AM

How many centre forwards do we need? I'd say 4 plus Robinson. I'd be reluctant to cast kozak adrift and I don't think gabby will go yet at least

Michu a different player but how many number 10s do we need?

Centre back and a wide player much more obvious signings for me

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Vegas on July 30, 2015, 07:33:19 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on July 30, 2015, 12:15:02 AM

Quote from: aj2k77 on July 29, 2015, 07:36:38 PM

Aston Villa in handicap betting are very enticing. +44pts at 16/1.

Yes if we get around 46+points say the leagues competitive up top then yes, yes it is. Plus sure can cover it somehow as season goes . but for me both teams to score every week on villa matches !!

Agree, we're handicapped at +45 on Betfair, I've had all the 18-1 and 17-1 money there 😎.

93 points usually enough to win, so we need to get around 47-48 actual league points to win, which is clearly not certain but better than a 17-1 shot. I think it's a brilliant bet

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 30, 2015, 07:37:07 AM

Quote from: Risso on July 30, 2015, 12:10:13 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 29, 2015, 11:44:31 PM

FWIW, I'd take a punt on Michu.

Blimey, Adebayor, Berbatov and Michu, how long until Ruud van Nistelrooy and Andy Cole get a call?!

Andrew Cole  Risso.  Andrew Cole.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on July 30, 2015, 07:37:21 AM

Ashley Young according to Talk Sport is signing a new contract - but to be honest I don't think we can afford to pay him£100k + per week?

Michu - i should imagine if we were not signing Adebayor then we may have been interested, I suppose that goes for Berbatov as well.

Hopefully today we will see at least 1 new signing and you never know it could be 2!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 30, 2015, 08:24:34 AM

Quote from: wozwebs on July 30, 2015, 12:19:12 AM

Sinclair and Michu linked up well at Swansea

Our under 21 team should be good next season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 30, 2015, 09:16:32 AM

Quote from: Vegas on July 30, 2015, 07:33:19 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on July 30, 2015, 12:15:02 AM

Quote from: aj2k77 on July 29, 2015, 07:36:38 PM

Aston Villa in handicap betting are very enticing. +44pts at 16/1.

Yes if we get around 46+points say the leagues competitive up top then yes, yes it is. Plus sure can cover it somehow as season goes . but for me both teams to score every week on villa matches !!

Agree, we're handicapped at +45 on Betfair, I've had all the 18-1 and 17-1 money there .

93 points usually enough to win, so we need to get around 47-48 actual league points to win, which is clearly not certain but better than a 17-1 shot. I think it's a brilliant bet

Can you explain this bet please?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 30, 2015, 09:25:36 AM

It's basically saying that we get a 45 point head start in the league as far as the bet is concerned, so if we finish within 45 points of the eventual champions the bet pays out.

As these bets are usually pitched to be just on the "wrong side" of the bookies best guess, close enough to plausible to be tempting, not so easy so as to be giving money away it's not a bad guide to how they think we'll do (as opposed to odds on relegation, qualifying for Europe etc. which are driven by how much money people are throwing at various bets.)

If they're giving us 45 points, it probably means that they're expecting that we'll finish 47-48 points off. Even if you go for a low title winning total at 88-89 points, they're still expecting us to to finish on 41-43 points.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 30, 2015, 09:30:47 AM

Thank you, so we need to finish 45 behind the league winners?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 30, 2015, 09:35:07 AM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 30, 2015, 09:30:47 AM

Thank you, so we need to finish 45 behind the league winners?

Depending on how the others do.

So his bet is that if Villa had a 45 point head start and every other team started on zero, would we win the league. So if Chelsea win the league on 90 points and we finish on 50 points, the 45 point handicap would take us above them. However the bookmaker might have given say, Watford a 52 point headstart and they finish on 48 points then they would finish above both Chelsea and Villa meaning he would lose his bet.

It's betting on a specific team to do better than the bookies expect, so last you would probably have won your bet if you'd put it on Southampton or Leicester. If you'd put it on Villa you'd probably have crashed and burned.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 30, 2015, 09:40:12 AM

Thanks for the correction Dave.

Over here they usually go for an absolute handicap on just one team v whoever wins, as opposed to a relative bet over the whole league and the individual handicaps.

Plus I'm more use to handicap betting on stuff like rugby or NFL where you can usually pick some good "holes" in the spreads if you're paying attention.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 30, 2015, 09:46:36 AM

I like the idea of a 45 point head start, how do we get this past Scudamore .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 30, 2015, 09:47:10 AM

Cheers guys, I might have a go on that, It feels complicated :-/

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on July 30, 2015, 09:51:56 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on July 30, 2015, 12:03:22 AM

So are we signing Tom huddleton or what ?? Those rumours went quiet . I would have liked a few of those hull players chester, Brady, nduaye aren't coming yet were linked. Robertson and brady together wouldn't have cost as much as amavi did. Mcshane on a free aws squaud member instead of crespo.
I think there's two or more signings to come maybe more if players are moving on.

Brady would cost £8m+ according to Hull and Robertson was reported as costing silly money. Mcshane is Blues. Huddlestone is fat and on daft money. Ndoye scored 5 goals so is hugely untested and Richards is better than Chester.

All In all I don't think Sherwood wanted to buy the bulk of his signings from a team who got stuffed each week anyway.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 30, 2015, 09:54:12 AM

I'm amazed nobody has gone for Will Hughes at Derby. He's always looked a player to me

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on July 30, 2015, 09:59:12 AM

Quote from: aj2k77 on July 30, 2015, 09:51:56 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on July 30, 2015, 12:03:22 AM

So are we signing Tom huddleton or what ?? Those rumours went quiet . I would have liked a few of those hull players chester, Brady, nduaye aren't coming yet were linked. Robertson and brady together wouldn't have cost as much as amavi did. Mcshane on a free aws squaud member instead of crespo.
I think there's two or more signings to come maybe more if players are moving on.

Brady would cost £8m+ according to Hull and Robertson was reported as costing silly money. Mcshane is Blues. Huddlestone is fat and on daft money. Ndoye scored 5 goals so is hugely untested and Richards is better than Chester.

All In all I don't think Sherwood wanted to buy the bulk of his signings from a team who got stuffed each week anyway.

Brady gone to Norwich, hasn't he?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 30, 2015, 09:59:56 AM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 30, 2015, 09:47:10 AM

Cheers guys, I might have a go on that, It feels complicated :-/

I'd imagine it would be quite difficult to keep track of too, you'd had to make a note of all the other teams' starting handicaps and maybe put them in a spreadsheet so you could work out how your bet was going.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on July 30, 2015, 10:02:50 AM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 30, 2015, 09:47:10 AM

Cheers guys, I might have a go on that, It feels complicated :-/

It's not that complicated.

On betfair the current handicaps are

Chelsea 0
Man City +3
Arsenal +7
Man Utd +7
Liverpool +17
Spurs +22
Soton +26
Everton +29
Stoke +31
Swansea +35
Crystal P +37
West Ham +38
Newcastle +39
West Brom +41
Leicester +42
Sunderland +44
Villa +44
Bournemouth +46
Norwich +46
Watford +48

All the handicaps get added to the seasons end tally. The team that normally wins it are the surprise package of the season. Southampton a couple of seasons ago had a huge handicap and finished top 7 so pissed the league. Going off the summers business Villa and West Ham look decent bets for it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 30, 2015, 10:03:39 AM

Sun reporting that gestede almost done

I don't really get it. We do need goals but there's only so many centre Fwds you can get on the pitch at one point. We'll have three six foot plus options plus gabby, ayew and Robinson

And only two genuine wide options in Sinclair and bacuna

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on July 30, 2015, 10:05:04 AM

I'd love it if we got rid of Gabby and Nzog this summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 30, 2015, 10:07:59 AM

We are 5/1 to be the top midlands club

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on July 30, 2015, 10:09:05 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 30, 2015, 10:03:39 AM

Sun reporting that gestede almost done

I don't really get it. We do need goals but there's only so many centre Fwds you can get on the pitch at one point. We'll have three six foot plus options plus gabby, ayew and Robinson

And only two genuine wide options in Sinclair and bacuna

Agreed, it looks very attack-minded and yet one or two injuries in defence and we will become very vulnerable.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 30, 2015, 10:11:00 AM

Quote from: aj2k77 on July 30, 2015, 10:02:50 AM

Going off the summers business Villa and West Ham look decent bets for it.

I'd say Arsenal, Liverpool and Newcastle on those handicaps.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 30, 2015, 10:11:01 AM

Maybe he's like doom Dublin and can play centre back

The end of kozak perhaps? I'd feel really sorry for him

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 30, 2015, 10:15:03 AM

33 secs ago (twatter)
Don’t want to jump to conclusions on #AVFC's style this year, but Gestede, Kozak,Adebayor & Berbatov is a combined 82-foot tall strikeforce.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 30, 2015, 10:21:37 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 30, 2015, 10:15:03 AM

33 secs ago (twatter)
Don’t want to jump to conclusions on #AVFC's style this year, but Gestede, Kozak,Adebayor & Berbatov is a combined 82-foot tall strikeforce.

None of those players are traditional 'target men'.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 30, 2015, 10:32:03 AM

Burnley are also apparently close to a £2 million deal for Baker.

That's a bit of a Spursism from us to actually make a £1.5 million profit on your 4th choice centre half.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 30, 2015, 10:32:06 AM

My mate just txt me, Lancashire Telegraph confirm that Gestede is talking to us

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 30, 2015, 10:36:19 AM

Quote from: Ads on July 30, 2015, 10:32:03 AM

Burnley are also apparently close to a £2 million deal for Baker.

That's a bit of a Spursism from us to actually make a £1.5 million profit on your 4th choice centre half.

Did we buy Baker then, I thought he came through the ranks?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 30, 2015, 10:44:26 AM

I suspect if we sign Gestede we won't be signing Ade, hence the delay.
Maybe Kozak's pre-season performances have given Tim food for thought.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 30, 2015, 10:45:05 AM

Quote from: aj2k77 on July 30, 2015, 10:02:50 AM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 30, 2015, 09:47:10 AM

Cheers guys, I might have a go on that, It feels complicated :-/

It's not that complicated.

On betfair the current handicaps are

Chelsea 0
Man City +3
Arsenal +7
Man Utd +7
Liverpool +17
Spurs +22
Soton +26
Everton +29
Stoke +31
Swansea +35
Crystal P +37
West Ham +38
Newcastle +39
West Brom +41
Leicester +42
Sunderland +44
Villa +44
Bournemouth +46
Norwich +46
Watford +48

All the handicaps get added to the seasons end tally. The team that normally wins it are the surprise package of the season. Southampton a couple of seasons ago had a huge handicap and finished top 7 so pissed the league. Going off the summers business Villa and West Ham look decent bets for it.

Hate to say it, but Liverpool look like good value on that list.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 30, 2015, 10:48:55 AM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 30, 2015, 10:36:19 AM

Quote from: Ads on July 30, 2015, 10:32:03 AM

Burnley are also apparently close to a £2 million deal for Baker.

That's a bit of a Spursism from us to actually make a £1.5 million profit on your 4th choice centre half.

Did we buy Baker then, I thought he came through the ranks?

Sorry, I meant this Crespo guy looks like our new 4th centre half/utility player at the back.

Its not often you make a profit swapping out your 4th centre half.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2015, 11:08:39 AM

Quote from: Ads on July 30, 2015, 10:48:55 AM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 30, 2015, 10:36:19 AM

Quote from: Ads on July 30, 2015, 10:32:03 AM

Burnley are also apparently close to a £2 million deal for Baker.

That's a bit of a Spursism from us to actually make a £1.5 million profit on your 4th choice centre half.

Did we buy Baker then, I thought he came through the ranks?

Sorry, I meant this Crespo guy looks like our new 4th centre half/utility player at the back.

Its not often you make a profit swapping out your 4th centre half.

One of the things that pleases me most about our recent improved organisation is the fact that we have finally started to actually sell players - by which I mean fringe players rather than ones we'd prefer to keep.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on July 30, 2015, 11:11:16 AM

Quote from: Duncan Shaw on July 30, 2015, 10:44:26 AM

I suspect if we sign Gestede we won't be signing Ade, hence the delay.
Maybe Kozak's pre-season performances have given Tim food for thought.

No - Adebayor is only a loan deal and Tim rates him - we also need experience in the squad. I think Adebayor will thrive under TS as he did at Spurs.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 30, 2015, 11:11:50 AM

Adebayor to complete today. Veretout/Gestede to complete tomorrow and Bolasie to follow early next week.  That's the vision from the DL crystal ball.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 30, 2015, 11:12:29 AM

Bolasie? No way

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ryu on July 30, 2015, 11:16:31 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 30, 2015, 11:12:29 AM

Bolasie? No way

I like him but he would cost a bomb.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Damo70 on July 30, 2015, 11:21:02 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2015, 11:08:39 AM

Quote from: Ads on July 30, 2015, 10:48:55 AM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 30, 2015, 10:36:19 AM

Quote from: Ads on July 30, 2015, 10:32:03 AM

Burnley are also apparently close to a £2 million deal for Baker.

That's a bit of a Spursism from us to actually make a £1.5 million profit on your 4th choice centre half.

Did we buy Baker then, I thought he came through the ranks?

Sorry, I meant this Crespo guy looks like our new 4th centre half/utility player at the back.

Its not often you make a profit swapping out your 4th centre half.

One of the things that pleases me most about our recent improved organisation is the fact that we have finally started to actually sell players - by which I mean fringe players rather than ones we'd prefer to keep.

I think the fact that a number of these fringe players were previously our first team regulars combined with the level of clubs they are going to sums up the last few years.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on July 30, 2015, 11:26:39 AM

Quote from: Ryu on July 30, 2015, 11:16:31 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 30, 2015, 11:12:29 AM

Bolasie? No way

I like him but he would cost a bomb.

There's been stupid-money figures floating around for Bolasie. £20m+

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 30, 2015, 11:28:42 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 30, 2015, 11:12:29 AM

Bolasie? No way

I'm sorry, but the crystal ball has spoken.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on July 30, 2015, 11:29:09 AM

I quite like Baker but I don't think that Villa will regret selling him (see Cahill, G.).

Maybe Donacien will be kept around this season and given some cup games

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 30, 2015, 11:29:29 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2015, 11:08:39 AM

One of the things that pleases me most about our recent improved organisation is the fact that we have finally started to actually sell players - by which I mean fringe players rather than ones we'd prefer to keep.

It's easy when you were'nt the manager that signed them and sell them for a loss or cancel their contracts.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2015, 11:30:51 AM

Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 30, 2015, 11:29:29 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2015, 11:08:39 AM

One of the things that pleases me most about our recent improved organisation is the fact that we have finally started to actually sell players - by which I mean fringe players rather than ones we'd prefer to keep.

It's easy when you were'nt the manager that signed them and sell them for a loss or cancel their contracts.

The contract cancelling bit, we've always been good at, it's the selling the dross part that we've struggled with.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 30, 2015, 11:32:02 AM

I really can't fancy a player whose name ends (albeit phonetically) with the word lazy.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villabear on July 30, 2015, 11:33:10 AM

Another day goes by without us linked to a centre half called Jordan. I'm worried.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on July 30, 2015, 11:36:47 AM

Quote from: villabear on July 30, 2015, 11:33:10 AM

Another day goes by without us linked to a centre half called Jordan. I'm worried.

Another Benin international

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Ad%C3%A9oti

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Damo70 on July 30, 2015, 11:37:55 AM

Quote from: villabear on July 30, 2015, 11:33:10 AM

Another day goes by without us linked to a centre half called Jordan. I'm worried.

Joe Jordan to join his old mate Butch Wilkins on the coaching staff might be next.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Summers on July 30, 2015, 11:38:25 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 30, 2015, 10:03:39 AM

Sun reporting that gestede almost done

I don't really get it. We do need goals but there's only so many centre Fwds you can get on the pitch at one point. We'll have three six foot plus options plus gabby, ayew and Robinson

And only two genuine wide options in Sinclair and bacuna

Gabby, Ayew, Sinclair, Bacuna, Gil & Grealish (and even Robinson) can (and most probably will) all play wide this season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 30, 2015, 11:47:08 AM

I expect one or two might be off - Robinson as part of Gestede deal ?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on July 30, 2015, 11:47:10 AM

If it happens:

ST: Kozak, Gestede, Robinson
LW: Sinclair, Gabby, Ayew (Grealish)
RW: Ayew, Gil
CAM: Gil, Grealish

As far as I see it, that's just getting multiple options in each attacking position, and you suspect Robinson might get a loan if it happens.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 30, 2015, 11:57:05 AM

We've got more strikers than British Leyland.


There, I've said it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 30, 2015, 11:58:16 AM

Update

Ayew                               Adebayor                        Grealish

Gabby                             Gestede                             Gil

I think we'll play 4-3-3 more often than not next season so that's the 6 options.

Robinson will go out on loan and don't really see Kozak or Sinclair getting many chances unless we play 4-4-2.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 30, 2015, 12:02:49 PM

Right, this one should cheer some of us up.

Quote from: Whispers@Twitter

club has now contact avfc with regard to tonev departure.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 30, 2015, 12:05:05 PM

it's probably wide of the mark.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 30, 2015, 12:08:45 PM

I think this will be Gabby's last season with us, and purely as a squad member at that.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: citizenDJ on July 30, 2015, 12:12:35 PM

Quote from: Des Little on July 30, 2015, 11:11:50 AM

Adebayor to complete today. Veretout/Gestede to complete tomorrow and Bolasie to follow early next week.  That's the vision from the DL crystal ball.

Probably a bit quick, that. I think we'll see Rudy Tuesday.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Small Rodent on July 30, 2015, 12:13:24 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 30, 2015, 12:05:05 PM

it's probably wide of the mark.

Nice one!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: b23 on July 30, 2015, 12:21:49 PM

 

Quote from: citizenDJ on July 30, 2015, 12:12:35 PM

Quote from: Des Little on July 30, 2015, 11:11:50 AM

Adebayor to complete today. Veretout/Gestede to complete tomorrow and Bolasie to follow early next week.  That's the vision from the DL crystal ball.

Probably a bit quick, that. I think we'll see Rudy Tuesday.

 ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on July 30, 2015, 12:23:34 PM

Whispers now suggesting an incoming defender ...
we certainly need more cover at the back.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on July 30, 2015, 12:24:11 PM

Quote from: citizenDJ on July 30, 2015, 12:12:35 PM

Quote from: Des Little on July 30, 2015, 11:11:50 AM

Adebayor to complete today. Veretout/Gestede to complete tomorrow and Bolasie to follow early next week.  That's the vision from the DL crystal ball.

Probably a bit quick, that. I think we'll see Rudy Tuesday.

You're out of time with that.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 30, 2015, 12:26:32 PM

I am absolutely loving this transfer window. Yeh, yeh, yeh everything still to do and prove but how fresh does this feel and reinvigorating to see such a change in the squad and a number of talented players being added. We are going to be a completely different squad and team now. If this was happening at Everton for example we'd all be commenting on it and why they were making such forward progression. I wonder how fans of other clubs are viewing this?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 30, 2015, 12:29:36 PM

Quote from: Small Rodent on July 30, 2015, 12:13:24 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 30, 2015, 12:05:05 PM

it's probably wide of the mark.

Nice one!

Yes, excellent.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on July 30, 2015, 12:32:40 PM

How much money have we exactly spent?

Gueye: 9 million
Amavi: 9 million
Ayew: 8 million
Crespo: 500k
Veretout: 7-8 million (estimated)
Gestede: 6 million

So around about 40 million pounds, which is pretty much all the Delph and Benteke money. If another CB is in, I'd assume they would be at least 5 million as well, so I guess it's feasible.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 30, 2015, 12:36:04 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 30, 2015, 12:26:32 PM

I am absolutely loving this transfer window. Yeh, yeh, yeh everything still to do and prove but how fresh does this feel and reinvigorating to see such a change in the squad and a number of talented players being added. We are going to be a completely different squad and team now. If this was happening at Everton for example we'd all be commenting on it and why they were making such forward progression. I wonder how fans of other clubs are viewing this?

Yep, really looking forward to the new Villa.  Of course it will take time to gel but it's refreshing. We've had a good clean out, got rid of a few expensive antiques which were nice but the rest of the stuff all over the house was a bit shabby and didn't suit.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 30, 2015, 01:01:03 PM

rumours the mystery defender could be Baptiste Aloe

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 30, 2015, 01:03:55 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 30, 2015, 01:01:03 PM

rumours the mystery defender could be Baptiste Aloe

Excellent remains a mystery then!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 30, 2015, 01:07:46 PM

ha! you got me!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 30, 2015, 01:44:33 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 30, 2015, 01:01:03 PM

rumours the mystery defender could be Baptiste Aloe

 He's French! Well knock me down with a feather!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on July 30, 2015, 01:49:54 PM

Not Jordan the Babtiste?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: exigo on July 30, 2015, 01:53:57 PM

Surely Paddy O'Reilly's coming home via Belgium? There must be a deal or two to be done there.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on July 30, 2015, 01:58:12 PM

I think after Gestede and Veretout are in the bag we have enough in this window.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 30, 2015, 01:59:30 PM

Quote from: olaftab on July 30, 2015, 01:58:12 PM

I think after Gestede and Veretout are in the bag we have enough in this window.

Unless he's planning on keeping Baker and Senderos, we may need another centre half, unless the man with the beard can play there.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 30, 2015, 02:04:11 PM

I think it was mentioned somewhere he could cover there which is why Baker is being allowed to go?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 30, 2015, 02:27:29 PM

Aloe? Aloe?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 30, 2015, 02:43:23 PM

I'll say this only once...it's Aloe

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Jimsta on July 30, 2015, 02:43:38 PM

I have to say Mr Sherwood I am very impressed what you and your team have brought into the club this transfer window.  But please can we have one great centre half, Another Laursen or Mellberg . I just think that the defence is not up to a full season just another  centre half and I can see the Villa going from strength to strength.
Thankyou Mr Sherwood and can facial me any day.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 30, 2015, 02:46:13 PM

Quote from: Clampy on July 30, 2015, 01:59:30 PM

Quote from: olaftab on July 30, 2015, 01:58:12 PM

I think after Gestede and Veretout are in the bag we have enough in this window.

Unless he's planning on keeping Baker and Senderos, we may need another centre half, unless the man with the beard can play there.

Who? Rylan Clark?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 30, 2015, 02:55:25 PM

Quote from: Jimsta on July 30, 2015, 02:43:38 PM

I have to say Mr Sherwood I am very impressed what you and your team have brought into the club this transfer window.  But please can we have one great centre half, Another Laursen or Mellberg . I just think that the defence is not up to a full season just another  centre half and I can see the Villa going from strength to strength.
Thankyou Mr Sherwood and can facial me any day.

Yes, i still think a centre back would be most useful. The lad mentioned above Aloe looks like possibly the most miserable footballer, or even maybe human being i have ever seen. Not that it matters if he can play, but he is very young.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on July 30, 2015, 03:07:27 PM

Porto apparently have bid for Aly Scissorcocoa

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: themossman on July 30, 2015, 03:16:27 PM

I just checked the top target threads for updates and got 1. grammar debate, 2. REM song discussion, 3. maths talk on the differences between odd and even numbers.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 30, 2015, 03:21:38 PM

I don't think we are going to sign anyone today, which is very unusual.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 30, 2015, 03:25:41 PM

Quote from: Tuscans on July 30, 2015, 03:07:27 PM

Porto apparently have bid for Aly Scissorcocoa

Just checked the papers here and the news is coming from Talksport. Make of that what you will.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: berneboy on July 30, 2015, 03:26:18 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 30, 2015, 03:21:38 PM

I don't think we are going to sign anyone today, which is very unusual.

I think we'll have Adebayor today or the deal could be in trouble.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 30, 2015, 03:51:42 PM

And its all gone quiet
All gone quiet
All gone quiet over there
Shhhhhhhhhh
Ahhhhhhhhh

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on July 30, 2015, 03:58:53 PM

You only sing when you are signing
You only sing when you are signing
You only sing when you are signnnnnnig

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 30, 2015, 04:07:39 PM

No noise
From the BH boys

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on July 30, 2015, 04:24:22 PM

Anyone else see the Florian Thauvin link today?

I must say I am really surprised at all the links/done deals this summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SirSteveUK on July 30, 2015, 04:25:20 PM

Apparently all bollox - he doesn't want to leave

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 30, 2015, 04:36:38 PM

I'm getting greedy now.  Let's get Praet in!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 30, 2015, 04:49:53 PM

can't remember who but some club just bid a derisory 4m for him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: nigel on July 30, 2015, 04:50:07 PM

Photo doing the rounds that a chap took while viewing for his season ticket, apparently it's Veretout holding up a Villa shirt.
Not an overly clear photo, but it certainly looks as if it could be him.

There's today's signing sorted, what a team Sherwood's putting together.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 30, 2015, 04:53:54 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on July 30, 2015, 10:05:04 AM

I'd love it if we got rid of Gabby and Nzog this summer.

me too  both are not good enough ..

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 30, 2015, 04:54:56 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 30, 2015, 04:49:53 PM

can't remember who but some club just bid a derisory 4m for him.

Sevilla

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 30, 2015, 04:56:09 PM

Over at VT they seem to think that his father is shown in this picture.Looks very promising.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 30, 2015, 05:01:04 PM

Quote from: Des Little on July 30, 2015, 11:11:50 AM

Adebayor to complete today. Veretout/Gestede to complete tomorrow and Bolasie to follow early next week.  That's the vision from the DL crystal ball.

i said get Bolaise when everyone was sniffing round saha  , what ever is name is



my father in law CP season ticket holder said as long as they dont get Bolaise , hes twice the player ..

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2015, 05:07:19 PM

Quote from: Tuscans on July 30, 2015, 03:07:27 PM

Porto apparently have bid for Aly Scissorcocoa

Accept the bid.

Doesn't matter how much it is.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villasjf on July 30, 2015, 05:10:09 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on July 30, 2015, 04:53:54 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on July 30, 2015, 10:05:04 AM

I'd love it if we got rid of Gabby and Nzog this summer.

me too  both are not good enough ..

me three

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 30, 2015, 05:12:58 PM

Quote from: exigo on July 30, 2015, 01:53:57 PM

Surely Paddy O'Reilly's coming home via Belgium? There must be a deal or two to be done there.

he's  in UK

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on July 30, 2015, 05:14:02 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 30, 2015, 04:56:09 PM

Over at VT they seem to think that his father is shown in this picture.Looks very promising.

Whose father Ron, I'm a bit lost?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 30, 2015, 05:20:06 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2015, 05:07:19 PM

Quote from: Tuscans on July 30, 2015, 03:07:27 PM

Porto apparently have bid for Aly Scissorcocoa

Accept the bid.

Doesn't matter how much it is.

bottle of port would be just fine

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on July 30, 2015, 06:06:05 PM

Considering this is Sherwoods first ever transfer window
He seems to have taken to it rather well

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 30, 2015, 06:32:18 PM

Quote from: nigel on July 30, 2015, 04:50:07 PM

Photo doing the rounds that a chap took while viewing for his season ticket, apparently it's Veretout holding up a Villa shirt.
Not an overly clear photo, but it certainly looks as if it could be him.

There's today's signing sorted, what a team Sherwood's putting together.

Where is the pic I crave a pic I yearn for it to happen. Now does anyone know anything about him  :)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 30, 2015, 06:36:41 PM

I really never seen this transfer activity happening. Sherwood has been incredible in his precision and his knowledge of who he wants and a team around him to get the transfer over the line. Three weeks ago I would never of believed what he has achieved. Brilliant Tim ......

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: onje_villa on July 30, 2015, 06:46:47 PM

It;s been an incredible window so far but may not be Sherwood who should be getting the credit? Are these players he has wanted or Paddy O'Reilly / new Henrik chap? Or a combo? Take your pick.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 30, 2015, 06:55:15 PM

Quote from: dave shelley on July 30, 2015, 05:14:02 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 30, 2015, 04:56:09 PM

Over at VT they seem to think that his father is shown in this picture.Looks very promising.

Whose father Ron, I'm a bit lost?

Veretout Dave.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on July 30, 2015, 06:58:23 PM

Thanks Ron.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ExclDawg on July 30, 2015, 07:00:10 PM

Zlatan has hinted of a "surprise" move.  He's not named Jordan, but he is Ligue 1 ...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paulcomben on July 30, 2015, 07:01:36 PM

Has anyone done the sums lately on wages and fees in and out? I'm too busy learning French so the players will understand what I am shouting.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: nigel on July 30, 2015, 07:06:19 PM

Quote from: Hookeysmith on July 30, 2015, 06:32:18 PM

Quote from: nigel on July 30, 2015, 04:50:07 PM

Photo doing the rounds that a chap took while viewing for his season ticket, apparently it's Veretout holding up a Villa shirt.
Not an overly clear photo, but it certainly looks as if it could be him.

There's today's signing sorted, what a team Sherwood's putting together.

Where is the pic I crave a pic I yearn for it to happen. Now does anyone know anything about him  :)

I saw it on www.avillafan.com  I was also shown the one on twitter

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 30, 2015, 07:09:00 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 30, 2015, 07:01:36 PM

Has anyone done the sums lately on wages and fees in and out? I'm too busy learning French so the players will understand what I am shouting.

If Veretout, Gestede and Adebayor come in as expected I think we'll be about break even on all fronts, wages it's difficult to be sure because it's only really guesswork.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ExclDawg on July 30, 2015, 07:10:59 PM

Players Sold   Fee   
Yacouba Sylla      £1,000,000   
Matthew Lowton   £1,000,000   
Andreas Weimann   £2,750,000   
Darren Bent      Free          
Enda Stevens      Free   
Graham Burke       Released   
Chris Herd      Released   
Shay Given      Free   
Fabian Delph      £8,000,000
Christian Benteke   £32,500,000

Total:          £45,250,000


Players Purchased   Fee                              
Micah Richards      Free               
Scott Sinclair      £2,500,000               
Mark Bunn      Unattached           
Idrissa Gueye      £9,000,000           
Jordan Amavi      £9,000,000              
Jordan Ayew      £8,500,000               
José Ángel Crespo   £500,000               
                   
Sum:       £29,500,000              
Net Diff:       -£15,750,000   

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on July 30, 2015, 07:37:34 PM

I'm getting really concerned Adebayor isn't going to go through!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 30, 2015, 07:45:32 PM

Nah they're saving them all for tomorrow. The club have finally grasped the concept of positive PR.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on July 30, 2015, 07:47:20 PM

Due to all the signings the club have run out of stretchy shirts for the players to use in their photo ops

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 30, 2015, 07:52:17 PM

Quote from: ExclDawg on July 30, 2015, 07:10:59 PM

Players Sold   Fee   
Yacouba Sylla      £1,000,000   
Matthew Lowton   £1,000,000   
Andreas Weimann   £2,750,000   
Darren Bent      Free          
Enda Stevens      Free   
Graham Burke       Released   
Chris Herd      Released   
Shay Given      Free   
Fabian Delph      £8,000,000
Christian Benteke   £32,500,000

Total:          £45,250,000


Players Purchased   Fee                              
Micah Richards      Free               
Scott Sinclair      £2,500,000               
Mark Bunn      Unattached           
Idrissa Gueye      £9,000,000           
Jordan Amavi      £9,000,000              
Jordan Ayew      £8,500,000               
José Ángel Crespo   £500,000               
                   
Sum:       £29,500,000              
Net Diff:       -£15,750,000   

Adding Gestede (6 million) and Veretout (8/9 million) we are pretty much even

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 30, 2015, 07:56:27 PM

If we end up with a net spend of £0 I will be disappointed .
On top of the sale money we are now into mega tv money and at least £25m should be handed to squad strengthening.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: oldham_villa on July 30, 2015, 07:57:41 PM

It's so great to see that everyone is buzzing. We've had some lean years and it's great to see players with some potential joining the club.

I see that Bet365 have us at 15/1 to win the league with a 43 point start. Is this feasible?

Also, to come top ten is 9/2

Up the Villa
Nick

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: oldham_villa on July 30, 2015, 07:58:16 PM

Shit, I typed too soon haha

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: London Villan on July 30, 2015, 08:00:19 PM

Even at our very worse didn't we spend net £10m in the summer? We could see a couple more yet?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on July 30, 2015, 08:00:33 PM

No we will win the league with 43 points margin ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: oldham_villa on July 30, 2015, 08:03:59 PM

Haha love it 👍

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on July 30, 2015, 08:13:44 PM

Quote from: ExclDawg on July 30, 2015, 07:10:59 PM

Players Sold   Fee   
Yacouba Sylla      £1,000,000   
Matthew Lowton   £1,000,000   
Andreas Weimann   £2,750,000   
Darren Bent      Free          
Enda Stevens      Free   
Graham Burke       Released   
Chris Herd      Released   
Shay Given      Free   
Fabian Delph      £8,000,000
Christian Benteke   £32,500,000

Total:          £45,250,000


Players Purchased   Fee                              
Micah Richards      Free               
Scott Sinclair      £2,500,000               
Mark Bunn      Unattached           
Idrissa Gueye      £9,000,000           
Jordan Amavi      £9,000,000              
Jordan Ayew      £8,500,000               
José Ángel Crespo   £500,000               
                   
Sum:       £29,500,000              
Net Diff:       -£15,750,000   

We've also released/sold Luna and Helenius, though I'm not sure if we got much for them.  And I'm guessing Vlaar is gone too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paulcomben on July 30, 2015, 08:17:02 PM

Quote from: ExclDawg on July 30, 2015, 07:10:59 PM

Players Sold   Fee   
Yacouba Sylla      £1,000,000   
Matthew Lowton   £1,000,000   
Andreas Weimann   £2,750,000   
Darren Bent      Free          
Enda Stevens      Free   
Graham Burke       Released   
Chris Herd      Released   
Shay Given      Free   
Fabian Delph      £8,000,000
Christian Benteke   £32,500,000

Total:          £45,250,000


Players Purchased   Fee                              
Micah Richards      Free               
Scott Sinclair      £2,500,000               
Mark Bunn      Unattached           
Idrissa Gueye      £9,000,000           
Jordan Amavi      £9,000,000              
Jordan Ayew      £8,500,000               
José Ángel Crespo   £500,000               
                   
Sum:       £29,500,000              
Net Diff:       -£15,750,000   

Tres Bon travail. Merci beaucoup.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paulcomben on July 30, 2015, 08:21:01 PM

Quote from: Stirchley Villain on July 30, 2015, 07:45:32 PM

Nah they're saving them all for tomorrow. The club have finally grasped the concept of positive PR.

Exactement. Deux strikers dans un photoshoot et nous oublions Benteke et Delph toute suite.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2015, 08:23:22 PM

Rumours Sherwood was in Barcelona today.

Espanyol centre half Hector Moreno hasn't travelled with the club for their friendlies in France, coincidentally.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 30, 2015, 08:24:29 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 30, 2015, 07:56:27 PM

If we end up with a net spend of £0 I will be disappointed .
On top of the sale money we are now into mega tv money and at least £25m should be handed to squad strengthening.

Why? We hardly know anything about our players but one or two come with burgeoning reputations that look promising. It is clear that Sherwood is trying to build a high-tempo fast team. If we've managed to do that at the cost of losing Delph and Benteke whilst rebuilding the whole team AND it costing us nothing in terms of net spend surely they can only be a good thing?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 30, 2015, 08:26:00 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2015, 08:23:22 PM

Rumours Sherwood was in Barcelona today.

Espanyol centre half Hector Moreno hasn't travelled with the club for their friendlies in France, coincidentally.

He's probably going to sit behind the dugout at the Nou Camp.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 30, 2015, 08:33:31 PM

Quote from: peter w on July 30, 2015, 08:24:29 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 30, 2015, 07:56:27 PM

If we end up with a net spend of £0 I will be disappointed .
On top of the sale money we are now into mega tv money and at least £25m should be handed to squad strengthening.

Why? We hardly know anything about our players but one or two come with burgeoning reputations that look promising. It is clear that Sherwood is trying to build a high-tempo fast team. If we've managed to do that at the cost of losing Delph and Benteke whilst rebuilding the whole team AND it costing us nothing in terms of net spend surely they can only be a good thing?

Depends if he covers all areas that need strengthening or not. At present we still need another CB and a top quality DCM, that's assuming we sign Adebayour, vertout and Gestade

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Risso on July 30, 2015, 08:33:36 PM

Should be beaucoup de Chemise Stretchage tomorrow.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paulcomben on July 30, 2015, 08:35:20 PM

Tim Sherwood has responded to Roy Keane’s claims that he was angling for the Aston Villa job while Paul Lambert was in charge - joking that he will sit in the stands at the Nou Camp or Bernabeu next time he is out of work.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Risso on July 30, 2015, 08:36:55 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 30, 2015, 08:35:20 PM

Tim Sherwood has responded to Roy Keane’s claims that he was angling for the Aston Villa job while Paul Lambert was in charge - joking that he will sit in the stands at the Nou Camp or Bernabeu next time he is out of work.

That's very good.  I'd have just called him a useless ****** and left it at that.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Summers on July 30, 2015, 08:38:57 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2015, 08:23:22 PM

Rumours Sherwood was in Barcelona today.

Espanyol centre half Hector Moreno hasn't travelled with the club for their friendlies in France, coincidentally.

Moreno is quality. I'd love that.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt C on July 30, 2015, 08:40:08 PM

Some chatter on Twitter about Holgate at Barnsley now too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paulcomben on July 30, 2015, 08:47:57 PM

Arret! Pas de Holgate. Nous avons run out of clothes hooks at Bodymoor Heath.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt C on July 30, 2015, 08:50:43 PM

Jordan Holgate as he will now be known.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 30, 2015, 08:52:28 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 30, 2015, 07:56:27 PM

If we end up with a net spend of £0 I will be disappointed .
On top of the sale money we are now into mega tv money and at least £25m should be handed to squad strengthening.

You've had all day to think of something to moan about. Is that the best you can do?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 30, 2015, 08:53:57 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 30, 2015, 08:35:20 PM

Tim Sherwood has responded to Roy Keane’s claims that he was angling for the Aston Villa job while Paul Lambert was in charge - joking that he will sit in the stands at the Nou Camp or Bernabeu next time he is out of work.

Which is what I just said...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paulcomben on July 30, 2015, 09:06:05 PM

I know, but I said it better with the original quote and still fooled at least one goldfish. See above.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 30, 2015, 09:11:25 PM

true dat

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 30, 2015, 09:12:27 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 30, 2015, 08:47:57 PM

Arret! Pas de Holgate. Nous avons run out of clothes hooks at Bodymoor Heath.

Very Julio O'Geordio

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 30, 2015, 09:16:16 PM

Quote from: Clampy on July 30, 2015, 08:52:28 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 30, 2015, 07:56:27 PM

If we end up with a net spend of £0 I will be disappointed .
On top of the sale money we are now into mega tv money and at least £25m should be handed to squad strengthening.

You've had all day to think of something to moan about. Is that the best you can do?

Maybe our transfer business so far would have been better if we'd thrown a couple of million extra at each deal to ensure that we ran at a deficit?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 30, 2015, 09:26:54 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 30, 2015, 09:16:16 PM

Quote from: Clampy on July 30, 2015, 08:52:28 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 30, 2015, 07:56:27 PM

If we end up with a net spend of £0 I will be disappointed .
On top of the sale money we are now into mega tv money and at least £25m should be handed to squad strengthening.

You've had all day to think of something to moan about. Is that the best you can do?

Maybe our transfer business so far would have been better if we'd thrown a couple of million extra at each deal to ensure that we ran at a deficit?

Amateur level trolling to be fair.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 30, 2015, 09:29:11 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2015, 08:23:22 PM

Rumours Sherwood was in Barcelona today.

Espanyol centre half Hector Moreno hasn't travelled with the club for their friendlies in France, coincidentally.

Is there an actual link between us and Moreno, or have you just put 2 and 2 together?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 30, 2015, 09:32:09 PM

Quote from: Stirchley Villain on July 30, 2015, 09:26:54 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 30, 2015, 09:16:16 PM

Quote from: Clampy on July 30, 2015, 08:52:28 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 30, 2015, 07:56:27 PM

If we end up with a net spend of £0 I will be disappointed .
On top of the sale money we are now into mega tv money and at least £25m should be handed to squad strengthening.

You've had all day to think of something to moan about. Is that the best you can do?

Maybe our transfer business so far would have been better if we'd thrown a couple of million extra at each deal to ensure that we ran at a deficit?

Amateur level trolling to be fair.

Is that me trolling?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 30, 2015, 09:32:23 PM

Quote from: peter w on July 30, 2015, 08:26:00 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2015, 08:23:22 PM

Rumours Sherwood was in Barcelona today.

Espanyol centre half Hector Moreno hasn't travelled with the club for their friendlies in France, coincidentally.

He's probably going to sit behind the dugout at the Nou Camp.

Maybe it's like when Lambert spent 3 days with Pep in the Bayern camp and came back armed with a new exciting way to play. Unfortunately he couldn't stay for day 4 which detailed crossing the half way line after you've passed it to each other 40 times.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 30, 2015, 09:35:37 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 30, 2015, 09:32:09 PM

Quote from: Stirchley Villain on July 30, 2015, 09:26:54 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 30, 2015, 09:16:16 PM

Quote from: Clampy on July 30, 2015, 08:52:28 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 30, 2015, 07:56:27 PM

If we end up with a net spend of £0 I will be disappointed .
On top of the sale money we are now into mega tv money and at least £25m should be handed to squad strengthening.

You've had all day to think of something to moan about. Is that the best you can do?

Maybe our transfer business so far would have been better if we'd thrown a couple of million extra at each deal to ensure that we ran at a deficit?

Amateur level trolling to be fair.

Is that me trolling?

No.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2015, 09:36:15 PM

Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 30, 2015, 09:29:11 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2015, 08:23:22 PM

Rumours Sherwood was in Barcelona today.

Espanyol centre half Hector Moreno hasn't travelled with the club for their friendlies in France, coincidentally.

Is there an actual link between us and Moreno, or have you just put 2 and 2 together?

Isn't that how links start?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 30, 2015, 09:43:07 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 30, 2015, 09:32:23 PM

Quote from: peter w on July 30, 2015, 08:26:00 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2015, 08:23:22 PM

Rumours Sherwood was in Barcelona today.

Espanyol centre half Hector Moreno hasn't travelled with the club for their friendlies in France, coincidentally.

He's probably going to sit behind the dugout at the Nou Camp.

Maybe it's like when Lambert spent 3 days with Pep in the Bayern camp and came back armed with a new exciting way to play. Unfortunately he couldn't stay for day 4 which detailed crossing the half way line after you've passed it to each other 40 times.

I bet he went to see pep at Barca too.

"So you keep the ball pass pass pass"?

"yes and then we pass it to Messi"

"It gets a bit Messy so you pass pass pass"?

"No. The forward. Messi"?

"No forward gets Messy"?

*sigh* "Never mind. Then we had a scootering Cafu but didn't need him at right-back as we got better".

"the Scottish Cafu. We can do better"?

"Well I guess so. But we put a bomb in the squad dropped him for better"

"A bomb squad. Drop the Scottish Cafu and we'll get better"?

*sighs* "Never mind"

pep must have pissed himself when he got the email asking if he could come to Dortmund for a look.

"Jesus guys. You must see this twat".

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 30, 2015, 09:45:04 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 30, 2015, 09:32:23 PM

Quote from: peter w on July 30, 2015, 08:26:00 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2015, 08:23:22 PM

Rumours Sherwood was in Barcelona today.

Espanyol centre half Hector Moreno hasn't travelled with the club for their friendlies in France, coincidentally.

He's probably going to sit behind the dugout at the Nou Camp.

Maybe it's like when Lambert spent 3 days with Pep in the Bayern camp and came back armed with a new exciting way to play. Unfortunately he couldn't stay for day 4 which detailed crossing the half way line after you've passed it to each other 40 times.

In fairness, he came back with the Guzan to Hutton, then back to Guzan tactic, which worked a treat.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 30, 2015, 09:47:08 PM

It's funny now. Wasn't so funny at the time though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 30, 2015, 09:48:54 PM

Quote from: Stirchley Villain on July 30, 2015, 09:35:37 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 30, 2015, 09:32:09 PM

Quote from: Stirchley Villain on July 30, 2015, 09:26:54 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 30, 2015, 09:16:16 PM

Quote from: Clampy on July 30, 2015, 08:52:28 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 30, 2015, 07:56:27 PM

If we end up with a net spend of £0 I will be disappointed .
On top of the sale money we are now into mega tv money and at least £25m should be handed to squad strengthening.

You've had all day to think of something to moan about. Is that the best you can do?

Maybe our transfer business so far would have been better if we'd thrown a couple of million extra at each deal to ensure that we ran at a deficit?

Amateur level trolling to be fair.

Is that me trolling?

No.

Fair enough.

If you're worried about our friend from Solihull, it's not trolling, he really is that negative.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 30, 2015, 09:52:40 PM

My guess at the wages version (p/w)

Quote from: ExclDawg on July 30, 2015, 07:10:59 PM

Players Sold   Fee   
Yacouba Sylla      £10k   
Matthew Lowton           £20k   
Andreas Weimann   £25k   
Darren Bent      £60k          
Enda Stevens      £5k   
Graham Burke       £5k   
Chris Herd              £15k   
Shay Given      £50k   
Fabian Delph      £80k
Christian Benteke   £65k
Vlaar                         £45k

Total:          £380k


Players Purchased   Fee                              
Micah Richards      £45k           
Scott Sinclair      £40k               
Mark Bunn              £15k           
Idrissa Gueye      £40k           
Jordan Amavi      £40k              
Jordan Ayew      £40k               
José Ángel Crespo   £20k               
Gestede                    £30k
French Fella               £40k
Adebeyor                  £ 100k
                  
Sum:       £410k
              
Net Diff:       +£30k   

£30k a week equals about £1.5m a year, or one place in the league (based on the old terms).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 30, 2015, 09:55:34 PM

This Moreno guy is going to PSV isn't he?

Interesting to see what the trip was for though. A day trip to Barcelona in Timmy's current transfer flurry could result in all sorts of madness.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 30, 2015, 10:02:11 PM

I think I have a valid point. Whilst I'm happy with what Sherwood is doing here in terms of a long overdue overhaul of players and playing matters , if we end on net £0 spend I will be disappointed and I feel I can justify this .
The squad is bereft of quality and depth, we scraped over the line closer than ever last season.
A net spend of +£20-25m should be the bare minimum IMHO . We still need more quality at the back and in the centre of the park.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 30, 2015, 10:04:59 PM

Has anyone signed for us yet since Monday?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 30, 2015, 10:06:39 PM

Leicester going for defensive midfielder N'Golo Kante from Caen. I think we should hijack the deal.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 30, 2015, 10:08:03 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 30, 2015, 10:02:11 PM

I think I have a valid point. Whilst I'm happy with what Sherwood is doing here in terms of a long overdue overhaul of players and playing matters , if we end on net £0 spend I will be disappointed and I feel I can justify this .
The squad is bereft of quality and depth, we scraped over the line closer than ever last season.
A net spend of +£20-25m should be the bare minimum IMHO . We still need more quality at the back and in the centre of the park.

Dont you mean the squad is bereft of quality and Delph!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 30, 2015, 10:09:19 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 30, 2015, 09:52:40 PM

My guess at the wages version (p/w)

Quote from: ExclDawg on July 30, 2015, 07:10:59 PM

Players Sold   Fee   
Yacouba Sylla      £10k   
Matthew Lowton           £20k   
Andreas Weimann   £25k   
Darren Bent      £60k          
Enda Stevens      £5k   
Graham Burke       £5k   
Chris Herd              £15k   
Shay Given      £50k   
Fabian Delph      £80k
Christian Benteke   £65k
Vlaar                         £45k

Total:          £380k


Players Purchased   Fee                              
Micah Richards      £45k           
Scott Sinclair      £40k               
Mark Bunn              £15k           
Idrissa Gueye      £40k           
Jordan Amavi      £40k              
Jordan Ayew      £40k               
José Ángel Crespo   £20k               
Gestede                    £30k
French Fella               £40k
Adebeyor                  £ 100k
                  
Sum:       £410k
              
Net Diff:       +£30k   

£30k a week equals about £1.5m a year, or one place in the league (based on the old terms).

You can add Helenius to the outgoing players. £15K p/w according to the press over here when he signed.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 30, 2015, 10:11:07 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 30, 2015, 10:02:11 PM

I think I have a valid point. Whilst I'm happy with what Sherwood is doing here in terms of a long overdue overhaul of players and playing matters , if we end on net £0 spend I will be disappointed and I feel I can justify this .
The squad is bereft of quality and depth, we scraped over the line closer than ever last season.
A net spend of +£20-25m should be the bare minimum IMHO . We still need more quality at the back and in the centre of the park.

I see what you're saying. IF Benteke had stayed, how much would we have spent? Enough to overhaul the rest of the side, where it was desperately needed? A moot point now he's gone, so we can only speculate. His money should be treated as a bonus windfall atop of whatever we'd have spent anyway.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 30, 2015, 10:12:39 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 30, 2015, 09:52:40 PM

My guess at the wages version (p/w)

Quote from: ExclDawg on July 30, 2015, 07:10:59 PM

Players Sold   Fee   
Yacouba Sylla      £10k   
Matthew Lowton           £20k   
Andreas Weimann   £25k   
Darren Bent      £60k          
Enda Stevens      £5k   
Graham Burke       £5k   
Chris Herd              £15k   
Shay Given      £50k   
Fabian Delph      £80k
Christian Benteke   £65k
Vlaar                         £45k
Helenius                    £15k

Total:          £395k


Players Purchased   Fee                              
Micah Richards      £45k           
Scott Sinclair      £40k               
Mark Bunn              £15k           
Idrissa Gueye      £40k           
Jordan Amavi      £40k              
Jordan Ayew      £40k               
José Ángel Crespo   £20k               
Gestede                    £30k
French Fella               £40k
Adebeyor                  £ 100k
                  
Sum:       £410k
              
Net Diff:       +£15k   

£15k a week equals about £1m a year, so less than one place in the league (based on the old terms).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 30, 2015, 10:21:09 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 30, 2015, 10:02:11 PM

I think I have a valid point. Whilst I'm happy with what Sherwood is doing here in terms of a long overdue overhaul of players and playing matters , if we end on net £0 spend I will be disappointed and I feel I can justify this .
The squad is bereft of quality and depth, we scraped over the line closer than ever last season.
A net spend of +£20-25m should be the bare minimum IMHO . We still need more quality at the back and in the centre of the park.

I think another centre half as well as who comes in tomorrow and that would be a decent enough window. I'm not going to worry about us not spending another £25m if we don't need to.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 30, 2015, 10:21:41 PM

I'm probably on my own but I'd swap Benteke for our transfer business so far. Yes he was great but we have now completely rebuilt a failing mob with seemingly exciting emerging talent. It's re-energised the club and fans, and banished for good all the tired old players and perceptions bestiwed upon us by Lambert. We should thank Lambert for giving us this opportunity by signing Benteke in the first place. This really could be the bright future we hoped for all those years ago.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 30, 2015, 10:22:52 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 30, 2015, 09:55:34 PM

This Moreno guy is going to PSV isn't he?

Interesting to see what the trip was for though. A day trip to Barcelona in Timmy's current transfer flurry could result in all sorts of madness.

Pedro. You heard it here first.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SamTheMouse on July 30, 2015, 10:25:33 PM

It's not about how much we spend. That's too arbitary. It's about whether the players we buy are any good. And thus far, the signs are promising.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on July 30, 2015, 10:26:53 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 30, 2015, 10:02:11 PM

I think I have a valid point. Whilst I'm happy with what Sherwood is doing here in terms of a long overdue overhaul of players and playing matters , if we end on net £0 spend I will be disappointed and I feel I can justify this .
The squad is bereft of quality and depth, we scraped over the line closer than ever last season.
A net spend of +£20-25m should be the bare minimum IMHO . We still need more quality at the back and in the centre of the park.

We are already looking at signing 10+ players, I think there's probably a limit to how many it's wise to incorporate all at once. With this summers business nearly done (I do think there will be another defender bought in though) I think we can sit back happy with our work, we haven't spent a shitload, we've rebuilt the team and maybe have a bit of money in the bank for January should we need it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 30, 2015, 10:28:57 PM

Quote from: Clampy on July 30, 2015, 10:21:09 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 30, 2015, 10:02:11 PM

I think I have a valid point. Whilst I'm happy with what Sherwood is doing here in terms of a long overdue overhaul of players and playing matters , if we end on net £0 spend I will be disappointed and I feel I can justify this .
The squad is bereft of quality and depth, we scraped over the line closer than ever last season.
A net spend of +£20-25m should be the bare minimum IMHO . We still need more quality at the back and in the centre of the park.

I think another centre half as well as who comes in tomorrow and that would be a decent enough window. I'm not going to worry about us not spending another £25m if we don't need to.

Seriously though, yes i agree. On top of the players signed so far, Veretout, Berbatov, Gestede and a new centre back with some experience and we will have done extremely well and i would be very optimistic about the new season, we could even sneak just into the top half. If we sign those i wouldn't be bothered about Adebayor.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on July 30, 2015, 10:29:22 PM

All in all, credit where it's due, well done Villa and Sherwood. We've obviously had our targets thought out and not gone down the route a fair few people thought ''tactics Tim'' would, English, Spursy, over priced QPR style signings.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 30, 2015, 10:32:15 PM

I read somewhere Tim was at Edgbaston today!

Steve Finn as new striker?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 30, 2015, 10:34:52 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on July 30, 2015, 10:29:22 PM

All in all, credit where it's due, well done Villa and Sherwood. We've obviously had our targets thought out and not gone down the route a fair few people thought ''tactics Tim'' would, English, Spursy, over priced QPR style signings.

I'd be slightly worried if these are all targets identified by Sherwood.  If so, he's either spends too much time scouting France or has not undertaken full due diligence on each of the players.  I suspect/hope that these are players he has sanctioned based on a longer list of recommendations from Reilly and the DoF.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on July 30, 2015, 10:36:16 PM

Having been fed a diet of Oliver Twist proportions, whilst not yet exactly dining at the Ritz, it's certainly a damn site better than fucking McDonalds!  Well done to Lerner/Fox/Sherwood et al.  Optimism abounds.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 30, 2015, 10:42:21 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2015, 09:36:15 PM

Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 30, 2015, 09:29:11 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2015, 08:23:22 PM

Rumours Sherwood was in Barcelona today.

Espanyol centre half Hector Moreno hasn't travelled with the club for their friendlies in France, coincidentally.

Is there an actual link between us and Moreno, or have you just put 2 and 2 together?

Isn't that how links start?

Probably. I hoped there was something more substantial than that as we need a new starting centre back.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 30, 2015, 10:42:29 PM

Having signed Ayew, if we get Gestede, do we really need Adebayor?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 30, 2015, 10:46:51 PM

Quote from: Newby on July 30, 2015, 10:42:29 PM

Having signed Ayew, if we get Gestede, do we really need Adebayor?

For his experience I would say yes aswell as if Sherwood can get him playing to his optimum he's a game changing player of the highest order .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 30, 2015, 10:48:03 PM

Ayew will probably play wide so Gestede and Adebeyor can compete with eachother and Kozak/Gabby.

So today's criticism is essentially that we shouldn't have identified targets that represent good value. I suppose we should have bought over-priced English players and made sure we spent a lot more than was brought in. The club wanted Delph to stay and probably hoped that Benteke would stay but knew there was a strong chance of him going. The question as to how much would have been spent had those players not left is fair but it's a hypothetical that we'll never know the answer to. FFP seems to be the biggest barrier in that question.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 30, 2015, 10:49:24 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 30, 2015, 10:02:11 PM

I think I have a valid point. Whilst I'm happy with what Sherwood is doing here in terms of a long overdue overhaul of players and playing matters , if we end on net £0 spend I will be disappointed and I feel I can justify this .
The squad is bereft of quality and depth, we scraped over the line closer than ever last season.
A net spend of +£20-25m should be the bare minimum IMHO . We still need more quality at the back and in the centre of the park.

I often don't like some of the stick that you take on this board but this post is illogical. He has transformed the team/ squad by making the money count and yet you will be disappointed if he doesn't spend more than what has been raised? Hopefully, we get Veretout and Gestede in tomorrow and a centre back but why spend more if we don't have to, just for the sake of it? Be sensible mate please. Also, hold some back for January, when we realise that we could be fighting for a European place or in with a shout of a trophy.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 30, 2015, 10:53:07 PM

James Chester -  £8 million.
Micah Richards - £0.

I know how much I'd rather spend.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 30, 2015, 10:54:03 PM

If Adebayor signs for villa there is no way we will be funding all his wages

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: leylandalbion on July 30, 2015, 10:55:05 PM

Totally agree how good would it feel to have a massively improved season without spending a bean. It's what football should be about.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Risso on July 30, 2015, 10:57:44 PM

Quote from: Newby on July 30, 2015, 10:49:24 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 30, 2015, 10:02:11 PM

I think I have a valid point. Whilst I'm happy with what Sherwood is doing here in terms of a long overdue overhaul of players and playing matters , if we end on net £0 spend I will be disappointed and I feel I can justify this .
The squad is bereft of quality and depth, we scraped over the line closer than ever last season.
A net spend of +£20-25m should be the bare minimum IMHO . We still need more quality at the back and in the centre of the park.

I often don't like some of the stick that you take on this board but this post is illogical. He has transformed the team/ squad by making the money count and yet you will be disappointed if he doesn't spend more than what has been raised? Hopefully, we get Veretout and Gestede in tomorrow and a centre back but why spend more if we don't have to, just for the sake of it? Be sensible mate please. Also, hold some back for January, when we realise that we could be fighting for a European place or in with a shout of a trophy.

There's also the point that we can only have so many players in the squad for the season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 30, 2015, 10:58:09 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 30, 2015, 10:53:07 PM

James Chester -  £8 million.
Micah Richards - £0.

I know how much I'd rather spend.

I thought this earlier he's a Centre Half who lets face it was party to the club letting in enough goals to be relegated whereas the other is a title winner and CL player.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 30, 2015, 11:01:10 PM

And he's a brummie. Simples.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Risso on July 30, 2015, 11:04:34 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 30, 2015, 10:02:11 PM

I think I have a valid point. Whilst I'm happy with what Sherwood is doing here in terms of a long overdue overhaul of players and playing matters , if we end on net £0 spend I will be disappointed and I feel I can justify this .
The squad is bereft of quality and depth, we scraped over the line closer than ever last season.
A net spend of +£20-25m should be the bare minimum IMHO . We still need more quality at the back and in the centre of the park.

With the players linked, where do you think we we will be lacking depth exactly?

For forwards we'll have Gestede, Adebayor, Gabby, Ayew and Kozak
Foe central defence we'll have Richards, Okore, Clark and Baker
In midfield we'll have Gueye, Sanchez, Veretout, Gil, Grealish, Sinclair, Gardner and N'Zogbia

Etc etc

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 30, 2015, 11:09:20 PM

I still think we need another quality CB and a quality DCM with real prescense . I know it's only a friendly but we still look weak physically in midfield at wolves .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 30, 2015, 11:23:18 PM

Personally I think the answer is to play three in there. Westwood gueye and veretout. Should be very well balanced

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 30, 2015, 11:25:35 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 30, 2015, 11:09:20 PM

I still think we need another quality CB and a quality DCM with real prescense . I know it's only a friendly but we still look weak physically in midfield at wolves .

But then you'll just be complaining that we haven't bought a new goalkeeper and a new right-back, and because of that everything is still shit.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 30, 2015, 11:26:25 PM

If you put Sanchez and Gardner into the middle though you are not physically weak. I think Sanchez could be a big player this season.

If we could get a really good centre back and winger I would say it has been a pretty perfect window. Watching Gestede, I am pretty excited about him, he is a full on old school centre forward, and they are sometimes the most fun to watch. Get some balls across the box and let him at it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on July 30, 2015, 11:28:55 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 30, 2015, 10:02:11 PM

I think I have a valid point.

Well done.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 30, 2015, 11:33:59 PM

In other news, is the Holgate deal back on?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 30, 2015, 11:36:25 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 30, 2015, 11:25:35 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 30, 2015, 11:09:20 PM

I still think we need another quality CB and a quality DCM with real prescense . I know it's only a friendly but we still look weak physically in midfield at wolves .

But then you'll just be complaining that we haven't bought a new goalkeeper and a new right-back, and because of that everything is still shit.

Bunn looks like he will give Guzan a run for his money.
Hutton is Hutton, not ideal but for a club of our present level he's fine .
Of course if we bought that other top CB, Richards could move across to RB

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on July 30, 2015, 11:43:20 PM

Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 30, 2015, 10:58:09 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 30, 2015, 10:53:07 PM

James Chester -  £8 million.
Micah Richards - £0.

I know how much I'd rather spend.

I thought this earlier he's a Centre Half who lets face it was party to the club letting in enough goals to be relegated whereas the other is a title winner and CL player.

James Chester is a much better central defender than Micah Richards on all known form. Hulls problems last term were more at the other end of the park. Richards has barely played in three seasons for one and flopped badly at Fiorentina last term. He was a title winner in the Tom Cleverley sense and didn't get a medal for City's second league title due to insufficient game time.

8m does seem very steep for Chester mind. But Richards wasn't exactly free either considering the contract we are reported to have given him, picks up Darren Bent's wage packet it seems.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Doorbell on July 30, 2015, 11:43:29 PM

Are our ex-Arsenal employees morphing Sherwood into a cockney-Wenger?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 30, 2015, 11:46:37 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 30, 2015, 11:36:25 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 30, 2015, 11:25:35 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 30, 2015, 11:09:20 PM

I still think we need another quality CB and a quality DCM with real prescense . I know it's only a friendly but we still look weak physically in midfield at wolves .

But then you'll just be complaining that we haven't bought a new goalkeeper and a new right-back, and because of that everything is still shit.

Bunn looks like he will give Guzan a run for his money.
Hutton is Hutton, not ideal but for a club of our present level he's fine .
Of course if we bought that other top CB, Richards could move across to RB

I suspect that Richards chose Villa because we offered him his favoured centre-back role over right-back.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 30, 2015, 11:47:37 PM

I am starting to get all enthusiastic.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Small Rodent on July 30, 2015, 11:51:00 PM

We haven't had a CONFIRMED yet for Gestede, Adebayout or Veretout but I'm happy with progress so far.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 30, 2015, 11:51:01 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on July 30, 2015, 11:43:20 PM

Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 30, 2015, 10:58:09 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 30, 2015, 10:53:07 PM

James Chester -  £8 million.
Micah Richards - £0.

I know how much I'd rather spend.

I thought this earlier he's a Centre Half who lets face it was party to the club letting in enough goals to be relegated whereas the other is a title winner and CL player.

James Chester is a much better central defender than Micah Richards on all known form. Hulls problems last term were more at the other end of the park (1). Richards has barely played in three seasons for one and flopped badly at Fiorentina last term. He was a title winner in the Tom Cleverley sense (2) and didn't get a medal for City's second league title due to insufficient game time.

(1) Presumably the 51 goals that Hull conceded were nothing to do with him then?

(2) "Title winner in the Tom Cleverley sense"? Being first-choice right-back for the whole season and making the club's player of the season shortlist in the season that they won the title?

If you say so.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: atomicjam on July 30, 2015, 11:53:32 PM

Thank goodness for the big screen showing the line up during the game- I will need it to work out who is who in claret and blue! After these past few years, regardless of the outcomes, its great to watch a radical change happen.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 31, 2015, 01:09:07 AM

Way I see it our options for a central defender are

Colocini
Jonathan Mensa
Lewis dunk
Ivan ivanov
Johnny Evans
Igor popvic

Some out of contract free transfer past beauty's here
Midfield
Cambiasso
Antony annan
Papa diop
Jean makoun!! Deux
Isaiah Osbourne !!
Aqualani !
Julio arca !
Fabio rochembak
And of course Jermaine jenas

If we wanted to booster our attack
Berbatov is not the only free agent
Cassano
Andy Johnson !
Yakubu

Good old 1955

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eamonn on July 31, 2015, 01:14:20 AM

If we get a right back in on a par with someone of Amavis ability and reputation, I'd call this a very successful summer of recruitment.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Monty on July 31, 2015, 01:21:59 AM

Where's Sebastien Corchia these days? I always used to sign him on Football Manager and he was always terrific.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on July 31, 2015, 01:50:39 AM

Another CB and RB would be perfect to complete the transformation.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt C on July 31, 2015, 02:16:35 AM

Andy Johnson. Jesus wept.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 31, 2015, 02:54:53 AM

Roger Johnson looking for a club tooo.
Had a nightmare and woke up whereas he always seemed to have a nightmare!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: FatSam on July 31, 2015, 06:23:08 AM

I was at the same NYE party as Ivan Ivanov a few years ago. I'm not sure why we'd want to sign a centre back who hasn't proved his fitness after being out injured for about a year. I keep having to remind myself that it is just a random list of players.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on July 31, 2015, 07:03:57 AM

Quote from: Matt C on July 31, 2015, 02:16:35 AM

Andy Johnson. Jesus wept.

And then Andy Johnson slipped on the tears and injured himself. He'll be out for 6 months.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on July 31, 2015, 08:28:12 AM

Holgate may be the RB cover we're looking for.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Arsey on July 31, 2015, 08:28:36 AM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 30, 2015, 10:09:19 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 30, 2015, 09:52:40 PM

My guess at the wages version (p/w)

Quote from: ExclDawg on July 30, 2015, 07:10:59 PM

Players Sold   Fee   
Yacouba Sylla      £10k   
Matthew Lowton           £20k   
Andreas Weimann   £25k   
Darren Bent      £60k          
Enda Stevens      £5k   
Graham Burke       £5k   
Chris Herd              £15k   
Shay Given      £50k   
Fabian Delph      £80k
Christian Benteke   £65k
Vlaar                         £45k

Total:          £380k


Players Purchased   Fee                              
Micah Richards      £45k           
Scott Sinclair      £40k               
Mark Bunn              £15k           
Idrissa Gueye      £40k           
Jordan Amavi      £40k              
Jordan Ayew      £40k               
José Ángel Crespo   £20k               
Gestede                    £30k
French Fella               £40k
Adebeyor                  £ 100k
                  
Sum:       £410k
              
Net Diff:       +£30k   

£30k a week equals about £1.5m a year, or one place in the league (based on the old terms).

You can add Helenius to the outgoing players. £15K p/w according to the press over here when he signed.

Herd has gone?

With so many guesses the total difference could be way out. I'd be surprised if we are paying all of Adebayor's salary.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 31, 2015, 08:32:44 AM

Quote from: Arsey on July 31, 2015, 08:28:36 AM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 30, 2015, 10:09:19 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 30, 2015, 09:52:40 PM

My guess at the wages version (p/w)

Quote from: ExclDawg on July 30, 2015, 07:10:59 PM

Players Sold   Fee   
Yacouba Sylla      £10k   
Matthew Lowton           £20k   
Andreas Weimann   £25k   
Darren Bent      £60k          
Enda Stevens      £5k   
Graham Burke       £5k   
Chris Herd              £15k   
Shay Given      £50k   
Fabian Delph      £80k
Christian Benteke   £65k
Vlaar                         £45k

Total:          £380k


Players Purchased   Fee                              
Micah Richards      £45k           
Scott Sinclair      £40k               
Mark Bunn              £15k           
Idrissa Gueye      £40k           
Jordan Amavi      £40k              
Jordan Ayew      £40k               
José Ángel Crespo   £20k               
Gestede                    £30k
French Fella               £40k
Adebeyor                  £ 100k
                  
Sum:       £410k
              
Net Diff:       +£30k   

£30k a week equals about £1.5m a year, or one place in the league (based on the old terms).

You can add Helenius to the outgoing players. £15K p/w according to the press over here when he signed.

Herd has gone?

With so many guesses the total difference could be way out. I'd be surprised if we are paying all of Adebayor's salary.

Even if 100% out on a couple of players, it suggests that we are more than likely within similar parameters this season compared to last. 
The last thing we want to do as a club is over load ourselves with players on high wages - especially if they're adding very little - and not be able to make deals in the future, a la the Post MON years.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 31, 2015, 08:39:15 AM

Talk of Kozak going to Forest on loan on twitter.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Small Rodent on July 31, 2015, 08:40:03 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 31, 2015, 08:39:15 AM

Talk of Kozak going to Forest on loan on twitter.

It would make sense to get him up to speed after the injury.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 31, 2015, 08:42:47 AM

That would make sense, especially if we're bringing in Adebeyor and Gestede.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 31, 2015, 09:03:59 AM

If he stays fit, he'd destroy that league. I'd rather we keep him, or at least have the option to recall and don't let him get cup-tied.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 31, 2015, 09:05:46 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 31, 2015, 08:39:15 AM

Talk of Kozak going to Forest on loan on twitter.

A 6 month loan would be ideal to get him back up to match fitness and form.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 31, 2015, 09:24:36 AM

I like Kozak and I think he can suceeded here, but a 6 month loan with guaranteed starts would be ideal.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 31, 2015, 09:28:30 AM

The objective would be that he comes back a better player.  I think this would happen more quickly if he is playing every week at Forrest rather than playing U21 football and the odd 15 minutes. 

By Christmas we'll probably know the state of mind of Adebeyor and how quickly the others have settled to see whether he needs to be recalled.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 31, 2015, 09:56:36 AM

FFS sake Villa, we haven't signed anyone for a couple of days now, wtf's going on?  Pull your fingers out Tim and Tom, ......we're doomed otherwise, doomed.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Hoppo on July 31, 2015, 09:59:22 AM

I want Kozak here as our main striker..

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dr Butler on July 31, 2015, 10:00:52 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 31, 2015, 09:28:30 AM

The objective would be that he comes back a better player.  I think this would happen more quickly if he is playing every week at Forrest rather than playing U21 football and the odd 15 minutes. 

By Christmas we'll probably know the state of mind of Adebeyor and how quickly the others have settled to see whether he needs to be recalled.

makes absolute sense....

UTV
The Doc

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ktvillan on July 31, 2015, 10:11:52 AM

Whilst I don't think we should spend money for the sake of it I also think a net spend of £15-£20m would not be an unreasonable expectation.  The squad can only be so big but if money can be spent wisely on upgrades for the likes of Baker, Richardson, Cole, Senderos, N'Zogbia, Gabby, Cissokho,  and possibly one or two others (e.g. I've never been convinced by Westwood) , I'd call it speculating to accumulate or sound investment rather than spending money for the sake of it.  The issue I suppose would be moving on those who have been upgraded.

Apart from the above there are also a few players who are yet to convince me me that can take us to a higher level - Sanchez, Okore, Clark, Sinclair, Kozak - most of whom have talent but are either inconsistent or struggling to adapt to the PL or have suffered injury setbacks.     We then have quite a few unknown quantities coming in who look good on paper but then so did all the players Spurs bought with the Bale money.   They may or may not make it, but our record of recruiting from the French league is not great.  Assuming we get at least one of Gestede/Adebayor/Berbatov in addition to Ayew and Kozak, I'd say we'd have some good options up front, but I think there is still room for upgrades in midfield and defence and I'm not convinced by our goalkeeping options either.   

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 31, 2015, 10:14:43 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 31, 2015, 09:28:30 AM

The objective would be that he comes back a better player.  I think this would happen more quickly if he is playing every week at Forrest rather than playing U21 football and the odd 15 minutes. 

By Christmas we'll probably know the state of mind of Adebeyor and how quickly the others have settled to see whether he needs to be recalled.

100%

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 31, 2015, 10:19:44 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 31, 2015, 09:24:36 AM

I like Kozak and I think he can suceeded here, but a 6 month loan with guaranteed starts would be ideal.

Well the Wolves fans were very impressed with him.They liked his selfish running. Not far to go either.He can catch the Metro!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 31, 2015, 10:21:48 AM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 31, 2015, 10:19:44 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 31, 2015, 09:24:36 AM

I like Kozak and I think he can suceeded here, but a 6 month loan with guaranteed starts would be ideal.

Well the Wolves fans were very impressed with him.They liked his selfish running. Not far to go either.He can catch the Metro!

Unselfish do you mean?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JD on July 31, 2015, 10:23:12 AM

Quote from: Des Little on July 30, 2015, 10:21:41 PM

I'm probably on my own but I'd swap Benteke for our transfer business so far. Yes he was great but we have now completely rebuilt a failing mob with seemingly exciting emerging talent. It's re-energised the club and fans, and banished for good all the tired old players and perceptions bestiwed upon us by Lambert. We should thank Lambert for giving us this opportunity by signing Benteke in the first place. This really could be the bright future we hoped for all those years ago.

I'm with you Des. We've seen it with Gray, Platt and Yorke. Sometimes you need to sell your best player to rebuild the squad. Every time we have done that with the ones I've mentioned we've improved.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 31, 2015, 10:33:18 AM

Quote from: JD on July 31, 2015, 10:23:12 AM

Quote from: Des Little on July 30, 2015, 10:21:41 PM

I'm probably on my own but I'd swap Benteke for our transfer business so far. Yes he was great but we have now completely rebuilt a failing mob with seemingly exciting emerging talent. It's re-energised the club and fans, and banished for good all the tired old players and perceptions bestiwed upon us by Lambert. We should thank Lambert for giving us this opportunity by signing Benteke in the first place. This really could be the bright future we hoped for all those years ago.

I'm with you Des. We've seen it with Gray, Platt and Yorke. Sometimes you need to sell your best player to rebuild the squad. Every time we have done that with the ones I've mentioned we've improved.

I think it's hard to argue with this, it's just a shame to see such a brilliant player have to go to kick start it all, it'll really be hard to take if he scores hatfuls for the deluded scousers who didn't think he was good enough for them anyway.  That said I know a couple of Liverpool fans (1 Norwegian and the other a scouser who lives in Norway) and they really happy he's signed but they've spent a lot of time talking and watching football with me so they've seen what we have.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Quiet Lion on July 31, 2015, 10:33:19 AM

I would certainly want to keep Kozak, but a loan would work well to get him playing up to speed again.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 31, 2015, 10:37:15 AM

Quote from: paul_e on July 31, 2015, 10:21:48 AM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 31, 2015, 10:19:44 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 31, 2015, 09:24:36 AM

I like Kozak and I think he can suceeded here, but a 6 month loan with guaranteed starts would be ideal.

Well the Wolves fans were very impressed with him.They liked his selfish running. Not far to go either.He can catch the Metro!

Unselfish do you mean?

er...yes! Still not wide awake.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 31, 2015, 10:41:22 AM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 31, 2015, 10:37:15 AM

Quote from: paul_e on July 31, 2015, 10:21:48 AM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 31, 2015, 10:19:44 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 31, 2015, 09:24:36 AM

I like Kozak and I think he can suceeded here, but a 6 month loan with guaranteed starts would be ideal.

Well the Wolves fans were very impressed with him.They liked his selfish running. Not far to go either.He can catch the Metro!

Unselfish do you mean?

er...yes! Still not wide awake.

In that case I agree, he's always willing to make the runs and open space, even if he's not getting the ball, it's only a small thing but it makes a big difference because defenders are always tracking him which opens space.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 31, 2015, 10:42:58 AM

I want Kozak here

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: berneboy on July 31, 2015, 10:43:10 AM

Dail Mail has Villa in for Lescott

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ryu on July 31, 2015, 10:45:04 AM

Are they planning on announcing Jordy, Rudy and Moody all at the same time?  Is that why they haven't announced whoever was stretching the shirt last night?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on July 31, 2015, 10:46:01 AM

Quote from: berneboy on July 31, 2015, 10:43:10 AM

Dail Mail has Villa in for Lescott

Well past his best but Id still sign him just as a 'fuck you' to the Albion.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: berneboy on July 31, 2015, 10:48:05 AM

Quote from: PeterWithe on July 31, 2015, 10:46:01 AM

Quote from: berneboy on July 31, 2015, 10:43:10 AM

Dail Mail has Villa in for Lescott

Well past his best but Id still sign him just as a 'fuck you' to the Albion.

We need some experience in the team and he's a Villan isn't he?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JD on July 31, 2015, 10:51:10 AM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 31, 2015, 10:42:58 AM

I want Kozak here

agree Phil. I liked Kozak before he got injured and I think he will only get better by playing in the Premier League, not dropping down divisions.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 31, 2015, 10:51:21 AM

Quote from: berneboy on July 31, 2015, 10:43:10 AM

Dail Mail has Villa in for Lescott

God no

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villabear on July 31, 2015, 11:01:24 AM

I can hear the WM phone in now - "Joleon Lescott, yam yam yam it ay fair yam yam"

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: wozwebs on July 31, 2015, 11:04:32 AM

Be brilliant just to annoy them lot!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: andyh on July 31, 2015, 11:06:46 AM

As long as there is no chance of Clark going to that shit tip.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on July 31, 2015, 11:07:28 AM

Quote from: berneboy on July 31, 2015, 10:43:10 AM

Dail Mail has Villa in for Lescott

Former Bristol Rovers legend Aaron Lescott ?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 31, 2015, 11:11:51 AM

Quote from: berneboy on July 31, 2015, 10:48:05 AM

Quote from: PeterWithe on July 31, 2015, 10:46:01 AM

Quote from: berneboy on July 31, 2015, 10:43:10 AM

Dail Mail has Villa in for Lescott

Well past his best but Id still sign him just as a 'fuck you' to the Albion.

We need some experience in the team and he's a Villan isn't he?

He's an odd Villain if he is one. He's spent most of his career taking great delight in any opportunity to antagonise our fans.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on July 31, 2015, 11:18:52 AM

SSN reporting that we've had an approach rejected for Lescott...they got it completely tits up though and reported that we'd rejected an approach from Albion. Bless.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 31, 2015, 11:22:43 AM

I'd take Lescott, lots of experience. Is he a bit of an injury crock though? We've had a lot of that recently.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 31, 2015, 11:24:48 AM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 31, 2015, 11:22:43 AM

I'd take Lescott, lots of experience. Is he a bit of an injury crock though? We've had a lot of that recently.

He was dreadful against us last season though. Made me wonder if his legs had gone.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 31, 2015, 11:25:08 AM

I'm sure we are just baiting them. Taking the piss out of their bid for Clark.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 31, 2015, 11:26:20 AM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 31, 2015, 11:22:43 AM

I'd take Lescott, lots of experience. Is he a bit of an injury crock though? We've had a lot of that recently.

Richards would have played with him at Man City, so I wonder if he's had a word here or there. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 31, 2015, 11:27:38 AM

Quote from: Newby on July 31, 2015, 11:25:08 AM

I'm sure we are just baiting them. Taking the piss out of their bid for Clark.

I think that, too

#timbantz

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on July 31, 2015, 11:29:27 AM

Quote from: KRS on July 31, 2015, 11:18:52 AM

SSN reporting that we've had an approach rejected for Lescott...they got it completely tits up though and reported that we'd rejected an approach from Albion. Bless.

Perhaps its accurate, 'Any chance of taking Lescott off us'

'None whatsoever'

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Summers on July 31, 2015, 11:36:55 AM

https://vine.co/v/M3VWU1MVijr Tim is always up for banter.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: boboonthecorner on July 31, 2015, 11:46:03 AM

Quote from: UK Redsox on July 31, 2015, 11:07:28 AM

Quote from: berneboy on July 31, 2015, 10:43:10 AM

Dail Mail has Villa in for Lescott

Former Bristol Rovers legend Aaron Lescott ?

Is that former Villa legend Aaron Lescott?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: itbrvilla on July 31, 2015, 11:58:16 AM

With our new policy buying Ligue Un players, I suggest that Bad English should be appointed H&V Chief Scout.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 31, 2015, 11:59:37 AM

Who was the player stretching the shirt last night?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: itbrvilla on July 31, 2015, 12:01:56 PM

Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 31, 2015, 11:59:37 AM

Who was the player stretching the shirt last night?

Was it a player?!?!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 31, 2015, 12:12:36 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on July 31, 2015, 01:09:07 AM

Way I see it our options for a central defender are

Colocini
Jonathan Mensa
Lewis dunk
Ivan ivanov
Johnny Evans
Igor popvic

Some out of contract free transfer past beauty's here
Midfield
Cambiasso
Antony annan
Papa diop
Jean makoun!! Deux
Isaiah Osbourne !!
Aqualani !
Julio arca !
Fabio rochembak
And of course Jermaine jenas

If we wanted to booster our attack
Berbatov is not the only free agent
Cassano
Andy Johnson !
Yakubu

Good old 1955

Forgot lescott for the defense ha-ha!!
Apart from the defenders this list is just bantz really !

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 31, 2015, 12:13:18 PM

Apart from cambiasso and berbatov !!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 31, 2015, 01:16:34 PM

The latest two tweets from Whispers.

Within the last few minutes
"sherwood search is for that of defensive cover, not first team selections for avfc. as clark and richards happiest."

From this morning
"while sherwood will now talk to reporter on 5pm sat, must rush away as escape route from nottingham planned for meet new prospect avfc"
and
"moves away from avfc for robinson and kozak next week."

See how much comes true.

I'd be disappointed to see Kozak go, even if only on loan.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 31, 2015, 02:13:36 PM

What's going on?

Charlton Athletic midfielder Jordan Cousins has signed a new four-year deal with the Championship club. Thought we had the monopoly on players called Jordan?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 31, 2015, 02:17:54 PM

we're moving on now to marvin's; like marvin gueye

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on July 31, 2015, 02:23:39 PM

We could do with more experience at centre half.

But on the wages Lescott would command, he'd need to be a first team regular.  And I'd prefer to see Clark given more time to develop as our first choice left sided centre half.

That said, Lescott did play at left back for Everton quite a bit. Not sure if he still has the pace to do that.

But it does make sense to look at players who can play in more than one position.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 31, 2015, 02:25:25 PM

Quote from: KevinGage on July 31, 2015, 02:23:39 PM

We could do with more experience at centre half.

But on the wages Lescott would command, he'd need to be a first team regular.  And I'd prefer to see Clark given more time to develop as our first choice left sided centre half.

That said, Lescott did play at left back for Everton quite a bit. Not sure if he still has the pace to do that.

But it does make sense to look at players who can play in more than one position.

Didn't he play at right back in the quarter final last season?

Seem to remember it being him that Sinclair tore apart in the second half.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eamonn on July 31, 2015, 02:27:13 PM

Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 31, 2015, 09:05:46 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 31, 2015, 08:39:15 AM

Talk of Kozak going to Forest on loan on twitter.

A 6 month loan would be ideal to get him back up to match fitness and form.

Like Gary Gardner.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 31, 2015, 02:29:10 PM

Lescott looks well past it too me.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 31, 2015, 02:30:34 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 31, 2015, 02:29:10 PM

Lescott looks well past it too me.

he does. Maybe we made a Bid just to fuck with them after they were reported to be interested in our Ciaran for a pathetic 2m.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Doorbell on July 31, 2015, 02:32:28 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 31, 2015, 02:30:34 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 31, 2015, 02:29:10 PM

Lescott looks well past it too me.

he does. Maybe we made a Bid just to fuck with them after they were reported to be interested in our Ciaran for a pathetic 2m.

I really hope this is the case!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on July 31, 2015, 02:43:59 PM

Whispers on Twitter

AV bid for Thomas Toure

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on July 31, 2015, 02:44:21 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 31, 2015, 02:29:10 PM

Lescott looks well past it too me.

Yup, hes had a very good career and after all his nonsense over the years I wanted to enjoy his shockers against us last season, I found it a bit like watching a boxer you respect but dislike take a hiding.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on July 31, 2015, 03:04:51 PM

Quote from: chrisw1 on July 31, 2015, 02:43:59 PM

Whispers on Twitter

AV bid for Thomas Toure

Another winger/attacking midfielder?  I'd have thought we had a lot of players there - Gil, Grealish, Sinclair, Ayew, Tonev, N'Zogbia.

I'd say we need a commanding central defender, and perhaps more midfield cover (unless Calder and Gardner are ready to step up).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 31, 2015, 03:06:20 PM

Quote from: Tokyo Sexwhale on July 31, 2015, 03:04:51 PM

Quote from: chrisw1 on July 31, 2015, 02:43:59 PM

Whispers on Twitter

AV bid for Thomas Toure

Another winger/attacking midfielder?  I'd have thought we had a lot of players there - Gil, Grealish, Sinclair, Ayew, Tonev, N'Zogbia.

I'd say we need a commanding central defender, and perhaps more midfield cover (unless Calder and Gardner are ready to step up).

Surely we shouldn't be including Tonev and N'Zogbia in that list.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on July 31, 2015, 03:11:12 PM

Quote from: chrisw1 on July 31, 2015, 02:43:59 PM

Whispers on Twitter

AV bid for Thomas Toure

Yet another player I have never heard of. I will have no idea whatsoever about what to expect when the season starts.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on July 31, 2015, 03:12:43 PM

Quote from: chrisw1 on July 31, 2015, 02:43:59 PM

Whispers on Twitter

AV bid for Thomas Toure

Apparently we were scouting him quite heavily  last January, so it could possibly be true.
 He´s a young French,  winger who came through the ranks at Bordeaux, highly regarded, apparently. Scored loads of goals for their 2nd team & made his 1st Team debut in May 2104........Godzvilla!.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on July 31, 2015, 03:24:17 PM

Quote from: taylorsworkrate on July 31, 2015, 03:06:20 PM

Quote from: Tokyo Sexwhale on July 31, 2015, 03:04:51 PM

Quote from: chrisw1 on July 31, 2015, 02:43:59 PM

Whispers on Twitter

AV bid for Thomas Toure

Another winger/attacking midfielder?  I'd have thought we had a lot of players there - Gil, Grealish, Sinclair, Ayew, Tonev, N'Zogbia.

I'd say we need a commanding central defender, and perhaps more midfield cover (unless Calder and Gardner are ready to step up).

Surely we shouldn't be including Tonev and N'Zogbia in that list.

Hopefully, we'll get shot of those two, but even without them we have 4 decent options going for maybe 1 or 2 places.  Also, I guess Gabby will be competing with them, as he's not going to be a first choice striker.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on July 31, 2015, 03:34:25 PM

I personally don't believe Kozak will go, he's done really well preseason for me and dare I say it, has a touch of the Harry Kanes about him, which surely Tim would admire.

If he does go on a short term loan, 3 months tops for fitness and match sharpness then I suppose we can only benefit.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 31, 2015, 03:47:45 PM

Quote from: Tuscans on July 31, 2015, 03:34:25 PM

I personally don't believe Kozak will go, he's done really well preseason for me and dare I say it, has a touch of the Harry Kanes about him, which surely Tim would admire.

If he does go on a short term load, 3 months tops for fitness and match sharpness then I suppose we can only benefit.

I suspect that's the plan, they want him to get a few months of game time.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 31, 2015, 03:55:54 PM

Every game we played against the Baggies last season Lescott was wank, NO thanks

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 31, 2015, 03:57:29 PM

Gabby made him look saft

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 31, 2015, 03:58:07 PM

I'd like to see what Kozak can do. Good cover and would hopefully build up his fitness and confidence with first team games.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 31, 2015, 04:09:54 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 31, 2015, 03:57:29 PM

Gabby made him look saft

Well he's always looked a bit saft but not necessarily in football terms. I wouldn't mind him, i think he largely played well for them, just the injury record which would be a concern.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on July 31, 2015, 04:18:19 PM

If it's a choice between having Baker or Lescott in our match day squad i'll go with Lescott everyday of the week.

He might of been crap against us but throughout the other games he did quite well and the stripey filth got some good results.

W13 L15 D9 all comps.

They only had two heavy defeats in total with him in there.

With a better defender along side i.e Clark/Okore and looking like Richards, 5 of those loses could easily be a few more wins and draws for us instead.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 31, 2015, 04:35:49 PM

Yeah but would you pay £50k per week for lescott?

Anyways he's not coming is he

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on July 31, 2015, 04:37:54 PM

How many more do you think there will be?

We've only really just spent the Benteke & Delph money (although prob a lot more on wages).  Do you think there's funds for a few more?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on July 31, 2015, 04:40:13 PM

Quote from: chrisw1 on July 31, 2015, 04:37:54 PM

How many more do you think there will be?

We've only really just spent the Benteke & Delph money (although prob a lot more on wages).  Do you think there's funds for a few more?

A right back and perhaps another attacking mid (depending on whether Gil is genuinely back in with a sniff, and whether Zogbia's days are numbered) and keeper.
I think we'll get 2-3 more in.
I wonder if Adebayor is still on the cards? If he were to come in as a squad player, it would be a hell of an outlay because I can't see him playing every week.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 31, 2015, 04:42:19 PM

Quote from: chrisw1 on July 31, 2015, 04:37:54 PM

How many more do you think there will be?

We've only really just spent the Benteke & Delph money (although prob a lot more on wages).  Do you think there's funds for a few more?

You say that, but Delph, Bent, Given, Benteke, Weimann, Lowton, Helenius, Vlaar, Sylla...

Wouldn't surprise me if we were much more than even with last season.

Which is pretty incredible given how good the squad now looks.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on July 31, 2015, 04:47:04 PM

I'm pretty happy with Hutton, Bacuna and Richards as cover to be honest. 

Obviously if we can get real quality in then that would be great, but I'm not too concerned.

I'm very hopeful about Gil and am keen for him to be given a real chance.

I'm a little concerned about cover at center half.  A serious injury to Clark or Richards may leave us a bit short.  But with Okore to come in,  if Senderos is fit again that would help - I thought he did very well before injury last year.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 31, 2015, 04:48:43 PM

we're still keen on signing Praet  apparently.  when will the Villa revolution end !

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on July 31, 2015, 04:50:21 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 31, 2015, 04:48:43 PM

we're still keen on signing Praet  apparently.  when will the Villa revolution end !

Now that would be nice.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ryu on July 31, 2015, 04:57:44 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 31, 2015, 04:48:43 PM

we're still keen on signing Praet  apparently.  when will the Villa revolution end !

That's icing on the cake stuff.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 31, 2015, 05:00:32 PM

Go back to the first couple of pages on this thread and its quite interesting

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 31, 2015, 05:03:06 PM

Quote from: Ryu on July 31, 2015, 04:57:44 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 31, 2015, 04:48:43 PM

we're still keen on signing Praet  apparently.  when will the Villa revolution end !

That's icing on the cake stuff.

it really would be.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 31, 2015, 05:03:47 PM

Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 31, 2015, 05:00:32 PM

Go back to the first couple of pages on this thread and its quite interesting

Hindsight is ace isn't it :)

What I absolutely love is that not one of these players were players the press had any knowledge of us signing or even wanting to sign until the very end. It was all very easy ex-Spurs links and English player links and we've gone so against the grain it's literally astonishing. I'm loving it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 31, 2015, 05:05:08 PM

Think richards & Lescott would make a terrific pairing

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on July 31, 2015, 05:06:28 PM

We've put a shitload of faith in Tim.  I so much hope it pays off.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on July 31, 2015, 05:29:33 PM

 Any French version of Martin Laursen / Olof Mellberg / Shaun Teale / Paul McGrath waiting for their chance for joining Aston Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa Lew on July 31, 2015, 05:32:18 PM

Interested to see, despite all our signings, the bookies have still got us at around 3-1 to go down, which has not changed all close season. Only Sunderland and the 3 promoted clubs are shorter odds.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: warleyboy on July 31, 2015, 05:32:59 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on July 31, 2015, 05:29:33 PM

Any French version of Martin Laursen / Olof Mellberg / Shaun Teale / Paul McGrath waiting for their chance for joining Aston Villa.

This and with the first name Jordan.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on July 31, 2015, 05:34:55 PM

Quote from: warleyboy on July 31, 2015, 05:32:59 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on July 31, 2015, 05:29:33 PM

Any French version of Martin Laursen / Olof Mellberg / Shaun Teale / Paul McGrath waiting for their chance for joining Aston Villa.

This and with the first name Jordan.

Yep, there's a centre half in the French league called Jordan. see one of my earlier posts

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: manic-road on July 31, 2015, 05:41:30 PM

I would love us to get a world class centre half in that isn't injury prone.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on July 31, 2015, 05:48:47 PM

Quote from: manic-road on July 31, 2015, 05:41:30 PM

I would love us to get a world class centre half in that isn't injury prone.

World class centre halves who aren't injury prone won't be coming to the Villa.

Anyhow, our past record with bringing in injury prone centre halves is pretty good.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 31, 2015, 05:58:05 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 31, 2015, 05:05:08 PM

Think richards & Lescott would make a terrific pairing

5 years ago, yeah, but Lescott is past it now.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on July 31, 2015, 05:58:17 PM

Quote from: manic-road on July 31, 2015, 05:41:30 PM

I would love us to get a world class centre half in that isn't injury prone.

Was going to suggest Daniel Agger but then you mentioned injury prone.

Not sure how many games he started for Brondby last season, but at his best, he is far too good for the Danish league.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: manic-road on July 31, 2015, 05:59:36 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on July 31, 2015, 05:48:47 PM

Quote from: manic-road on July 31, 2015, 05:41:30 PM

I would love us to get a world class centre half in that isn't injury prone.

World class centre halves who aren't injury prone won't be coming to the Villa.

Anyhow, our past record with bringing in injury prone centre halves is pretty good.

We have had a shit load of Injury prone centre halves, Luarsen God, Ron, Baker Clark and Senderdross.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ger Regan on July 31, 2015, 06:09:37 PM

Quote from: manic-road on July 31, 2015, 05:59:36 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on July 31, 2015, 05:48:47 PM

Quote from: manic-road on July 31, 2015, 05:41:30 PM

I would love us to get a world class centre half in that isn't injury prone.

World class centre halves who aren't injury prone won't be coming to the Villa.

Anyhow, our past record with bringing in injury prone centre halves is pretty good.

We have had a shit load of Injury prone centre halves, Luarsen God, Ron, Baker Clark and Senderdross.

Extremely harsh given his performances for us.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 31, 2015, 06:16:06 PM

Senderos turned in some magnificent performances for us early last season before his long term injury problems.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 31, 2015, 06:18:18 PM

Did we ever find out what was wrong with Senderos? I'm sure it was a calf strain at first, then he vanished.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Yossarian on July 31, 2015, 06:18:30 PM

Any truth in the rumours that we are in for Eddie Jordan, Michael Jordan or the model formerly known as Jordan?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on July 31, 2015, 06:22:19 PM

Better late than never Yossarian!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on July 31, 2015, 06:24:51 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 31, 2015, 06:16:06 PM

Senderos turned in some magnificent performances for us early last season before his long term injury problems.

You mean just that kick nicely plotted on  Balotelli's shin that no one spotted? Because other than that I can't remember muck.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on July 31, 2015, 06:26:24 PM

I seem to recall him being pretty impressive in the fleeting glipses we got of him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 31, 2015, 06:31:15 PM

He and Vlaar in the first few games were a big reason in getting those early points. They were magnificent at Anfield in particular.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: warleyboy on July 31, 2015, 06:42:14 PM

Says we interested in Morgan Sanson of Montpellier, French 20 year old midfielder..
Will this excitement never stop...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: oldtimernow on July 31, 2015, 06:46:03 PM

It seems as if somebody has said "Have you ever tried shopping in France?"

We found that it was exciting and quite cheap compared to back home and we are now buying everything we can ...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: warleyboy on July 31, 2015, 06:50:07 PM

Seriously, never got through so many baby wipes 😛

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 31, 2015, 06:52:02 PM

Quote from: manic-road on July 31, 2015, 05:59:36 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on July 31, 2015, 05:48:47 PM

Quote from: manic-road on July 31, 2015, 05:41:30 PM

I would love us to get a world class centre half in that isn't injury prone.

World class centre halves who aren't injury prone won't be coming to the Villa.

Anyhow, our past record with bringing in injury prone centre halves is pretty good.

We have had a shit load of Injury prone centre halves, Luarsen God, Ron, Baker Clark and Senderdross.

God hardly missed a game. Can't recall Clark being injured all that much.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 31, 2015, 06:59:40 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 31, 2015, 06:52:02 PM

Quote from: manic-road on July 31, 2015, 05:59:36 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on July 31, 2015, 05:48:47 PM

Quote from: manic-road on July 31, 2015, 05:41:30 PM

I would love us to get a world class centre half in that isn't injury prone.

World class centre halves who aren't injury prone won't be coming to the Villa.

Anyhow, our past record with bringing in injury prone centre halves is pretty good.

We have had a shit load of Injury prone centre halves, Luarsen God, Ron, Baker Clark and Senderdross.

God hardly missed a game. Can't recall Clark being injured all that much.

There were the fleeting glimpses of Ronny Jonson (sp),  who looked absolute class but was made of rice paper

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 31, 2015, 07:03:37 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 31, 2015, 06:59:40 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 31, 2015, 06:52:02 PM

Quote from: manic-road on July 31, 2015, 05:59:36 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on July 31, 2015, 05:48:47 PM

Quote from: manic-road on July 31, 2015, 05:41:30 PM

I would love us to get a world class centre half in that isn't injury prone.

World class centre halves who aren't injury prone won't be coming to the Villa.

Anyhow, our past record with bringing in injury prone centre halves is pretty good.

We have had a shit load of Injury prone centre halves, Luarsen God, Ron, Baker Clark and Senderdross.

God hardly missed a game. Can't recall Clark being injured all that much.

There were the fleeting glimpses of Ronny Jonson (sp),  who looked absolute class but was made of rice paper

I'd completely forgot he ever played for us until you just mentioned him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 31, 2015, 07:08:33 PM

I hadn't. I remember he was quality and if we had him alongside Richards now, we'd have a great pairing.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 31, 2015, 07:10:59 PM

Quote from: Clampy on July 31, 2015, 07:03:37 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 31, 2015, 06:59:40 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 31, 2015, 06:52:02 PM

Quote from: manic-road on July 31, 2015, 05:59:36 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on July 31, 2015, 05:48:47 PM

Quote from: manic-road on July 31, 2015, 05:41:30 PM

I would love us to get a world class centre half in that isn't injury prone.

World class centre halves who aren't injury prone won't be coming to the Villa.

Anyhow, our past record with bringing in injury prone centre halves is pretty good.

We have had a shit load of Injury prone centre halves, Luarsen God, Ron, Baker Clark and Senderdross.

God hardly missed a game. Can't recall Clark being injured all that much.

There were the fleeting glimpses of Ronny Jonson (sp),  who looked absolute class but was made of rice paper

I'd completely forgot he ever played for us until you just mentioned him.

He was very good with Mellberg. We lost a ridiculously small number of games when they played together. I remember when we had a chance of getting into Europe when the genius DOL told him, with two games to go, that he wouldn't be getting a new contract. I think we then lost those games.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 31, 2015, 07:19:58 PM

The oracle that is wikipedia says he played 49 league games in two seasons, which isn't bad considering he wasn't first choice.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 31, 2015, 07:21:15 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 31, 2015, 07:19:58 PM

The oracle that is wikipedia says he played 49 league games in two seasons, which isn't bad considering he wasn't first choice.

Steve Sims was better though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Yossarian on July 31, 2015, 07:25:21 PM

Quote from: olaftab on July 31, 2015, 06:22:19 PM

Better late than never Yossarian!

Sorry, I didn't realise the joke has already been done. It is kind of obvious.

To make up for my crime I would like to atone by posting a link to the funniest thing on the internet at the moment:
https://twitter.com/corbynjokes

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy65 on July 31, 2015, 07:48:09 PM

Quote from: Yossarian on July 31, 2015, 07:25:21 PM

Quote from: olaftab on July 31, 2015, 06:22:19 PM

Better late than never Yossarian!

Sorry, I didn't realise the joke has already been done. It is kind of obvious.

To make up for my crime I would like to atone by posting a link to the funniest thing on the internet at the moment:
https://twitter.com/corbynjokes

Funny you say?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on July 31, 2015, 07:56:00 PM

We haven't signed anyone for a few hours, wtf is going on?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: andyh on July 31, 2015, 08:05:07 PM

I hope there is not a plan to exchange Clark with Lescott (plus cash).
Despite all of the brilliant work done by the club over the last couple of weeks the thought of that happening makes me feel quite sick.


No basis for this by the way, just putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 376.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 31, 2015, 08:06:09 PM

Quote from: chrisw1 on July 31, 2015, 07:56:00 PM

We haven't signed anyone for a few hours, wtf is going on?

Are you sure you didn't miss one? I keep going away for a few hours and finding we're in for someone new.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on July 31, 2015, 08:10:37 PM

Quote from: OCD on July 31, 2015, 08:06:09 PM

Quote from: chrisw1 on July 31, 2015, 07:56:00 PM

We haven't signed anyone for a few hours, wtf is going on?

Are you sure you didn't miss one? I keep going away for a few hours and finding we're in for someone new.

in the time it took me to drive home from work Villa signed two players and England won the Test Match.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 31, 2015, 08:26:44 PM

At this rate we'll be doing a Chelsea - signing promising young players on long-term contracts and then sending them out on loan to develop them; either for the first team or to sell them at a profit.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 31, 2015, 08:39:53 PM

Marc Albrighton is a decent winger, if we're after one... ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 31, 2015, 08:46:08 PM

Quote from: andyh on July 31, 2015, 08:05:07 PM

I hope there is not a plan to exchange Clark with Lescott (plus cash).
Despite all of the brilliant work done by the club over the last couple of weeks the thought of that happening makes me feel quite sick.


No basis for this by the way, just putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 376.

On the other hand Senderos plus cash for Lescott would work

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 31, 2015, 08:52:31 PM

I wouldn't be at all surprised if we signed Cambiasso . Its all gone very quiet on news regarding him. Expect some movement next week.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 31, 2015, 09:19:51 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 31, 2015, 08:52:31 PM

I wouldn't be at all surprised if we signed Cambiasso . Its all gone very quiet on news regarding him. Expect some movement next week.

He would make my summer to be fair.  He has the potential to be a Villa legend.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: gervilla on July 31, 2015, 09:22:47 PM

Collymore had a tweet up " He's coming home, he's coming home..."  which has since been deleted. Hmmmmm !

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 31, 2015, 09:26:12 PM

Not Ashley Young surely?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on July 31, 2015, 09:27:33 PM

That was probably from when the Lescott rumour was flying around

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ger Regan on July 31, 2015, 09:30:30 PM

Delph?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Diablo on July 31, 2015, 09:32:19 PM

Gazza?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on July 31, 2015, 09:33:29 PM

Quote from: Ger Regan on July 31, 2015, 09:30:30 PM

Delph?

Hodge

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 31, 2015, 09:34:45 PM

Paul Lambert?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ger Regan on July 31, 2015, 09:35:17 PM

Young would be brilliant, considering Gestede's aerial ability.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: wozwebs on July 31, 2015, 09:36:27 PM

The Express really believe their own Berbatov story dont they. Updated version:

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/595301/Man-Utd-Spurs-Dimitar-Berbatov-Aston-Villa-transfer-gossip

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 31, 2015, 09:43:01 PM

Quote from: wozwebs on July 31, 2015, 09:36:27 PM

The Express really believe their own Berbatov story dont they. Updated version:

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/595301/Man-Utd-Spurs-Dimitar-Berbatov-Aston-Villa-transfer-gossip

Maybe Adebayor has stripped off and Berbatov is in the wings? There's certainly no room in this club for everyone we have at present with Bergatov AND Adebayor.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LukeJames on July 31, 2015, 09:51:27 PM

Quote from: Ger Regan on July 31, 2015, 09:35:17 PM

Young would be brilliant, considering Gestede's aerial ability.

Van Gaal rates him too much and his crossing has been shit ever since he started too believe his hype.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villan from luton on July 31, 2015, 09:56:46 PM

I reckon the coming home comment may have been aimed towards Lescott, with him being a well known Villa fan.

Wonder if we are playing hardball with that little cockernee spiv Levy. No way would we want to pay all the wages and there don't seem anyone else interested in him, so Levy may have to finally give in, which qould no doubt please Tim.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 31, 2015, 10:00:18 PM

Doug.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on July 31, 2015, 10:01:40 PM

Barry?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 31, 2015, 10:04:51 PM

Quote from: KevinGage on July 31, 2015, 05:58:17 PM

Quote from: manic-road on July 31, 2015, 05:41:30 PM

I would love us to get a world class centre half in that isn't injury prone.

Was going to suggest Daniel Agger but then you mentioned injury prone.

Not sure how many games he started for Brondby last season, but at his best, he is far too good for the Danish league.

There's a reason why Agger ended up taking  a 70% pay cut to end up at Brøndby.
He managed fewer than half of their games and looked about as good as Baker from  2 seasons ago in the games that I saw.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 31, 2015, 10:05:03 PM

Platt, McGrath, Curcic, Penrice?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 31, 2015, 10:07:18 PM

Maybe we can't get Ade so we're going for Berbatov instead?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ldavfc4eva on July 31, 2015, 10:09:26 PM

Baker has signed new 4 year deal according to Sky?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villan from luton on July 31, 2015, 10:10:35 PM

Maybe he has been impressed with Kozak and feels he doesn't need to splash out on Adebayor?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul richard on July 31, 2015, 10:11:10 PM

So the sun shone, Villa signed two new players and England won a test match.  That only happens once in a blue moon.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eric woolban woolban on July 31, 2015, 10:13:26 PM

Ginola? Re-joining the French revolution.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 31, 2015, 10:14:10 PM

Quote from: ldavfc4eva on July 31, 2015, 10:09:26 PM

Baker has signed new 4 year deal according to Sky?

I saw this mentioned in the Nathan Baker thread  ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 31, 2015, 10:19:00 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 31, 2015, 06:31:15 PM

He and Vlaar in the first few games were a big reason in getting those early points. They were magnificent at Anfield in particular.

Pedant alert.

It was Baker with Senderos at Anfield.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cyrilina on July 31, 2015, 10:23:36 PM

Quote from: gervilla on July 31, 2015, 09:22:47 PM

Collymore had a tweet up " He's coming home, he's coming home..."  which has since been deleted. Hmmmmm !

Concrete Ron signing a new contract?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 31, 2015, 10:27:17 PM

He'd only end up slicing through his hand with the pen and be out injured for another six months.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy65 on July 31, 2015, 10:30:03 PM

Quote from: cyrilina on July 31, 2015, 10:23:36 PM

Quote from: gervilla on July 31, 2015, 09:22:47 PM

Collymore had a tweet up " He's coming home, he's coming home..."  which has since been deleted. Hmmmmm !

Concrete Ron signing a new contract?

Ashley Young

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 31, 2015, 10:31:05 PM

Jenas ?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 31, 2015, 10:31:20 PM

Quote from: Rudy65 on July 31, 2015, 10:30:03 PM

Quote from: cyrilina on July 31, 2015, 10:23:36 PM

Quote from: gervilla on July 31, 2015, 09:22:47 PM

Collymore had a tweet up " He's coming home, he's coming home..."  which has since been deleted. Hmmmmm !

Concrete Ron signing a new contract?

Ashley Young

Nah, he'll be getting a new contract at Man United. No chance.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: warleyboy on July 31, 2015, 10:37:14 PM

I got a feelin youngs on his way back

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 31, 2015, 10:37:48 PM

Zat Knight to add experience to the defence.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy65 on July 31, 2015, 10:41:02 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 31, 2015, 10:31:20 PM

Quote from: Rudy65 on July 31, 2015, 10:30:03 PM

Quote from: cyrilina on July 31, 2015, 10:23:36 PM

Quote from: gervilla on July 31, 2015, 09:22:47 PM

Collymore had a tweet up " He's coming home, he's coming home..."  which has since been deleted. Hmmmmm !

Concrete Ron signing a new contract?

Ashley Young

Nah, he'll be getting a new contract at Man United. No chance.

He is 30 now. Luke Shaw is now back in favour so he maybe surplus to requirements.

Diving little sh1t but love to have him back

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 31, 2015, 10:42:19 PM

I would love it to be Young. I know all his failings and that he is older etc, but it would be such a massive confidence signing to have him getting the ball in for Gestede to get on the end of.

Barry maybe a possible but I doubt it. Lescott with the Villa link is the only other plausible one.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy65 on July 31, 2015, 10:43:30 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 31, 2015, 10:42:19 PM

I would love it to be Young. I know all his failings and that he is older etc, but it would be such a massive confidence signing to have him getting the ball in for Gestede to get on the end of.

Barry maybe a possible but I doubt it. Lescott with the Villa link is the only other plausible one.

Agree re Young

Lescott has never played for us before, although supposedly a boyhood fan

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on July 31, 2015, 10:44:07 PM

JLo back to finally solve the LB crisis

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LukeJames on July 31, 2015, 10:49:23 PM

Barry would actually make sence.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 31, 2015, 10:52:33 PM

Is Young this year's Milner?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt C on July 31, 2015, 10:55:02 PM

I'd rather Cambiasso for a year than Barry to be honest.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on July 31, 2015, 11:00:43 PM

Berbatov signing for Villa on Monday according to the Daily Express....

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 31, 2015, 11:01:38 PM

Barry wouldn't be a bad addition simply from an experience and leadership standpoint. Sherwood wants winners and Barry checks a lot of boxes and would be cheap. He's not the player he was but he can still contribute in limited appearances but much like Petrov, behind the scenes would be immensely useful.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 31, 2015, 11:03:02 PM

Quote from: Villafirst on July 31, 2015, 11:00:43 PM

Berbatov signing for Villa on Monday according to the Daily Express....

And thus why Adebayor might have fallen through?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on July 31, 2015, 11:15:28 PM

If I had to have one Villakicks indulgence then it would be signing Berbatov. It may be 2-3 years too late, but we wouldn't be talking about him coming into play 30+ games. He'd be some experienced quality to use as and when.
He's a class player and has never relied on pace.
That said I'd rather give Kozak his chance over Berbatov and Adebeyor.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 31, 2015, 11:15:44 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 31, 2015, 10:19:00 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 31, 2015, 06:31:15 PM

He and Vlaar in the first few games were a big reason in getting those early points. They were magnificent at Anfield in particular.

Pedant alert.

It was Baker with Senderos at Anfield.

Yep, Senderos missed a sitter to put us two up

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 31, 2015, 11:20:44 PM

Quote from: supertom on July 31, 2015, 11:15:28 PM

If I had to have one Villakicks indulgence then it would be signing Berbatov. It may be 2-3 years too late, but we wouldn't be talking about him coming into play 30+ games. He'd be some experienced quality to use as and when.
He's a class player and has never relied on pace.
That said I'd rather give Kozak his chance over Berbatov and Adebeyor.

Well he still has it. Just recall the CL game in February vs Arsenal. Just a silky player.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 31, 2015, 11:23:22 PM

Quote from: Villafirst on July 31, 2015, 11:00:43 PM

Berbatov signing for Villa on Monday according to the Daily Express....

Mind you, according to the Daily Express, we're all going to die in a Saharan heatwave or biblical flooding every other weekend

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on July 31, 2015, 11:23:58 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 31, 2015, 11:20:44 PM

Quote from: supertom on July 31, 2015, 11:15:28 PM

If I had to have one Villakicks indulgence then it would be signing Berbatov. It may be 2-3 years too late, but we wouldn't be talking about him coming into play 30+ games. He'd be some experienced quality to use as and when.
He's a class player and has never relied on pace.
That said I'd rather give Kozak his chance over Berbatov and Adebeyor.

Well he still has it. Just recall the CL game in February vs Arsenal. Just a silky player.

If he could turn it on even for a dozen games, he'd be an asset. He's also a big game player. Hell we might even stand a hope of beating Yanited.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 31, 2015, 11:24:27 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 31, 2015, 11:23:22 PM

Quote from: Villafirst on July 31, 2015, 11:00:43 PM

Berbatov signing for Villa on Monday according to the Daily Express....

Mind you, according to the Daily Express, we're all going to die in a Saharan heatwave or biblical flooding every other weekend

both possible if you live out here. It was 40C the other day. Biblical floods would be most welcome given the state of my lawn.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 31, 2015, 11:25:02 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 31, 2015, 11:23:22 PM

Quote from: Villafirst on July 31, 2015, 11:00:43 PM

Berbatov signing for Villa on Monday according to the Daily Express....

Mind you, according to the Daily Express, we're all going to die in a Saharan heatwave or biblical flooding every other weekend

At least they've stopped putting Diana and Maddy on the front page....

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 31, 2015, 11:25:20 PM

Is that the same Berbatov last seen quite clearly not giving a flying fuck as Fulham were relegated two years ago?

No thanks. Adebayor, I can see the sense in. Berbatov would be an enormous waste of money.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 31, 2015, 11:27:09 PM

Berbatov is three years older. I could imagine him coming on and having the odd good game as sub. I can imagine Adebayor having a genuine influence in the team, for much of the season. I really hope the Berbatov thing is just a rumour leaked by Tim to Cockerney media mates to get Adebayor and/or Tottenham to play ball.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 31, 2015, 11:27:28 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on July 31, 2015, 10:31:05 PM

Jenas ?

Downing ?

Or maybe Delphs had another change of heart.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on July 31, 2015, 11:34:37 PM

If we are gojng to sign a disinterested moper Id much prefer Berbatov over Adebayor, I think neither is the sensible option now we have Rudy.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 31, 2015, 11:38:31 PM

Anything else incoming now will be a bonus as far as I am concerned. Cambiasso would be nice though.

Just a thought, after the cryptic clues, any further news on Zog leaving the club? Baker new contract, I did not see that coming! 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on July 31, 2015, 11:53:05 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on July 31, 2015, 11:34:37 PM

If we are gojng to sign a disinterested moper Id much prefer Berbatov over Adebayor, I think neither is the sensible option now we have Rudy.

Either is probably an indulgence really. I'd hope we put more faith in Libor, but perhaps if Sherwood is looking to loan out Libor for fitness, the odd game from one of those two might be alright. We can probably afford to cover the wages for a season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 01, 2015, 12:00:39 AM

Quote from: PeterWithe on July 31, 2015, 11:34:37 PM

If we are gojng to sign a disinterested moper Id much prefer Berbatov over Adebayor, I think neither is the sensible option now we have Rudy.

Surely if Adebayor was disinterested, he could just stay at Tottenham, sit on the bench and continue to collect a fortune? I'd suggest the reason why he has a fantastic scoring record for pretty much his entire career, is because he's pretty far from disinterested.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Gareth on August 01, 2015, 12:06:37 AM

Quote from: gervilla on July 31, 2015, 09:22:47 PM

Collymore had a tweet up " He's coming home, he's coming home..."  which has since been deleted. Hmmmmm !

Reckon Stanley is about to take over as Villa Media Director :-) - coming back to finish what he didn't before....

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 01, 2015, 12:49:26 AM

Quote from: gervilla on July 31, 2015, 09:22:47 PM

Collymore had a tweet up " He's coming home, he's coming home..."  which has since been deleted. Hmmmmm !

Lerner just sold the club to deadly.

He is back baby.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on August 01, 2015, 12:54:07 AM

Are we sure that tweet was even football related?

Maybe he's just taking his dog out of quarantine after coming back from holibobs.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 01, 2015, 01:17:25 AM

That tasty confectionery has tweeted that we have enquired about a United player and it is not Young. I really hope it is not Evans, or indeed Rafael.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 01, 2015, 01:23:18 AM

I would take that Januzaj chap.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 01, 2015, 02:12:37 AM

I really hope it's Young. I'd love to have him back.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Leighton on August 01, 2015, 02:54:46 AM

Valdes.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john2710 on August 01, 2015, 03:16:08 AM

Unlike the last few years, anyone who gets in the side next season will be doing it on merit rather because we have nothing better

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SirSteveUK on August 01, 2015, 04:41:08 AM

Quote from: Gareth on August 01, 2015, 12:06:37 AM

Quote from: gervilla on July 31, 2015, 09:22:47 PM

Collymore had a tweet up " He's coming home, he's coming home..."  which has since been deleted. Hmmmmm !

Reckon Stanley is about to take over as Villa Media Director :-) - coming back to finish what he didn't before....

Berba obv - has stated he wants to play & live in England

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 01, 2015, 05:26:00 AM

 Berbatov oozes class. Lovely player to watch. I just hope that he still has it and is able to score the goals that we need. Whilst I think he's technically brilliant, I wonder whether we'd score more 'ugly' goals with Libor in the side.  More, being the operative word. No passengers.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on August 01, 2015, 07:45:27 AM

Berbatov. Still has it. He was brilliant only weeks ago for Monaco in the champions league. His touch, timing and control are impeccable ......

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cheadlevilla on August 01, 2015, 08:32:33 AM

According to the Daily Mail it's Joleon Lescott!!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 01, 2015, 08:34:26 AM

Is he still a chain smoker?  I don't want Jack picking up any more bad habits.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 01, 2015, 08:42:39 AM

Ed China from Comfy Banana (specializes in designing whaky cars in the shape of bananas, filing cabinets etc.) and Wheeler Dealers is working on a motor in the form of a football boot for Berbatov  should we sign him. Obviously it's at the experimental stage, but he hopes to have a life size fully approved vehicle type  ready for December. All Berba has to do is sit in and steer, thus eliminating the need to even walk around the pitch in a claret and blue smoking jacket.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 01, 2015, 09:33:15 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 01, 2015, 01:17:25 AM

That tasty confectionery has tweeted

The what?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 01, 2015, 09:34:03 AM

Isn't he the one Mr U on Pawn Stars who is clearly 60 and behaves like a teenager and wears a turban to hide his slap head?   They take him some old heap of junk from the Vegas Uncle's and he attempts to win an Oscar for Bullshit Over And Above The Call Of Duty describing the incredible work of art he is going to make from Uncle's pile of rust but cannot say how much it will cost.  A custom built Sedan chair would be be better for Berbatov with Clark and Baker to  carry him around the pitch while discharging their other defensive duties.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on August 01, 2015, 09:39:02 AM

Edd China* is good on Wheeler Dealers. However, I can't stand Mike. He's a stereotypical used car dealer.

As with The Duck, China spells his name with two "ds"

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 01, 2015, 11:13:13 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 01, 2015, 01:17:25 AM

That tasty confectionery has tweeted that we have enquired about a United player and it is not Young. I really hope it is not Evans, or indeed Rafael.

Hang on, let's backtrack a bit. Which United?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on August 01, 2015, 11:26:38 AM

It seems a long time ago now since we were wondering about the Luongo lad at Swindon.  A tremendous turn around in players.  As already said, it 'ain't gonna be dull.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: thick_mike on August 01, 2015, 11:45:37 AM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 01, 2015, 11:13:13 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 01, 2015, 01:17:25 AM

That tasty confectionery has tweeted that we have enquired about a United player and it is not Young. I really hope it is not Evans, or indeed Rafael.

Hang on, let's backtrack a bit. Which United?

Carlisle

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Damo70 on August 01, 2015, 11:52:43 AM

I thought Adebayor had signed for a season long loan with an option to buy a couple of days ago. What have I missed?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Small Rodent on August 01, 2015, 11:53:18 AM

Is that a consumer magazine?

Which United?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 01, 2015, 12:33:05 PM

just going back to Mr China, he's a top bloke and very tall, whereas Mr Brewer isn't. Met them both several times at car shows.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: El Hurricane on August 01, 2015, 01:43:44 PM

I think we can honestly dismiss Berbatov coming,I personally hate The Mirror newspaper and The Daily Express is the Mirror's sister newspaper.
They print rubbish, there is no credence to their stories, they just jump on the bandwagon, none of the journalists are any good.
In fact if Berbatov signs, I will run two marathons and give all the money raised to Acorns.

On the plus side all the signings so far are very positive and none strike me as being in the bomb squad in a year's time.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 01, 2015, 02:06:23 PM

Adebayor...I can just about make sense of this if his head is on the right place purely on the basis of experience and his relationship with TS. If the deal is stalling due to the players financial demands then let him rot at Spurs.

Berbatov...no doubt he was a quality player a few years ago, but watching him stroll around with his nonchalant style would do my head in. I really can't see him contributing any value or fitting in with this young squad we are developing that will presumably be playing a high tempo game. Other than having the ability to retain possession, I really can't see this working.

Given a choice between the 2 of them, and on the caveat that they aren't mental or lazy, then I'd take Adebayor but I'd much rather we use any available finances to secure another young, hungry and talented forward or an experienced RB or CB...or Cambiasso to provide experience in the middle of the park.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on August 01, 2015, 02:12:29 PM

Quote from: brian green on August 01, 2015, 08:34:26 AM

Is he still a chain smoker?  I don't want Jack picking up any more bad habits.

Is chain weed or tobacco?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 01, 2015, 02:21:17 PM

I imagine the stories about Berbatov are just his agent drumming up awareness that his client is a free agent and would like to play in the Premier League again.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: El Hurricane on August 01, 2015, 03:24:04 PM

Have to agree OCD, Sherwood would look mighty stupid if he signs Berbatov and then a few matches in he's out for the season, a bit like Joe Cole really except he didn't have a major injury.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 01, 2015, 05:24:43 PM

Having to play Sanchez at the back today surely has to be an indication that TS knows we desperately need to strengthen the CB options. Handing Baker a new 4 year contract doesn't fill me with confidence at all, and if the rumours that he'll be sent out on loan are true, then we need someone else. There should be finances available to bring someone in but not having a settled CB pairing at this stage is cause for concern.

Also a RB to compliment Amavi on the left would be more than welcome.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 01, 2015, 05:32:06 PM

We do have a settled defensive pairing - Richards and Clark. Sanchez only came on as a sub.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 01, 2015, 05:33:12 PM

I like the fact we have done so much business early on and we can now see how these lads settle in before making one or two final signings to cap things off. We might need 2 or 3 additions now at most. This lot will score goals and we still have some very decent players to come back in plus Gestede who didn't feature today.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 01, 2015, 05:38:36 PM

Still would love a centre back so Baker gets no where near the team.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Gareth on August 01, 2015, 07:17:18 PM

Every last penny in the transfer bank should be spent on a commanding centre half and a right back. 

If the cash is there offer Stoke 10-12m for Shawcross - not a clue if it can be done or what the valuation is but one thing we have over Stoke is we actually get players into the England team.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 01, 2015, 07:19:33 PM

Quote from: Gareth on August 01, 2015, 07:17:18 PM

Every last penny in the transfer bank should be spent on a commanding centre half and a right back. 

If the cash is there offer Stoke 10-12m for Shawcross - not a clue if it can be done or what the valuation is but one thing we have over Stoke is we actually get players into the England team.

Agree on the centre back but we should still for another striker rather than right back. Just the 2 more in.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: class-of-82 on August 01, 2015, 07:47:36 PM

Commanding centre half and right back

Chris Nicholl and john gidman it is then
If only
Utv

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 01, 2015, 07:50:15 PM

I think he's told Richards he will play centre back

It's as much about the lack of organisation as the personnel I think. If Tony pulls spends hours and hours drilling his sides into defensive shape I suspect we're the opposite.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on August 01, 2015, 08:09:11 PM

We've conceded FIVE GOALS against Wolves & Forest! It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know where our problems lie.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 01, 2015, 08:12:08 PM

In hysterical fans getting themselves upset over friendlies?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: richl on August 01, 2015, 08:14:16 PM

It's a friendly for fitness mainly

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Gareth on August 01, 2015, 08:15:06 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on August 01, 2015, 08:09:11 PM

We've conceded FIVE GOALS against Wolves & Forest! It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know where our problems lie.

Not sure we have problems, strengthen the defence to make us competitive in the league....results in friendlies are irrelevant

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 01, 2015, 08:15:42 PM

Don't think you can read too much into friendlies .
Bournemouth lost today and Ci£y got battered 0-4 .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 01, 2015, 08:16:20 PM

I reckon we need a commanding centre half and a right back still. Plus a winger if we can pull one out of the bag.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 01, 2015, 08:21:02 PM

CB a RB and a top class holding midfielder , Westwood is back up level only

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: MoetVillan on August 01, 2015, 08:39:42 PM

I think we will see Westwood in a fresh light this season. He remains very underrated in my opinion

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on August 01, 2015, 09:08:09 PM

Quote from: MoetVillan on August 01, 2015, 08:39:42 PM

I think we will see Westwood in a fresh light this season. He remains very underrated in my opinion

Haven't we said that every year since he's been signed? He's in the last chance saloon...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Summers on August 01, 2015, 09:16:58 PM

I still really like Westy. Plays his role well. Like Carrick. Now he'll have Gueye and Veretout either side of him he'll flourish.

I'd bring in Lescott, purely because we need a strong defence. Perfectly happy with RB options.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on August 01, 2015, 09:21:16 PM

I hope so because I've always liked him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: timeoutbigbar on August 01, 2015, 09:39:33 PM

Quote from: MoetVillan on August 01, 2015, 08:39:42 PM

I think we will see Westwood in a fresh light this season. He remains very underrated in my opinion

Thought he was man of the match today.  I know he has his limitations but I'd be wary of going into the new season with a midfield (probably 3) with little to no Premier League experience.  The lad can certainly pick a pass.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 01, 2015, 09:58:12 PM

Quote from: Stirchley Villain on August 01, 2015, 09:08:09 PM

Quote from: MoetVillan on August 01, 2015, 08:39:42 PM

I think we will see Westwood in a fresh light this season. He remains very underrated in my opinion

Haven't we said that every year since he's been signed? He's in the last chance saloon...

That's the issue , he's been part of one of the worst villa teams I can remember. Clearly not all his fault but he's played his part. We need better in such a critical area / role on the pitch

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: usav on August 01, 2015, 10:42:04 PM

Quote from: Stirchley Villain on August 01, 2015, 09:08:09 PM

Quote from: MoetVillan on August 01, 2015, 08:39:42 PM

I think we will see Westwood in a fresh light this season. He remains very underrated in my opinion

Haven't we said that every year since he's been signed? He's in the last chance saloon...

Why?  He's a good player, best first touch and passing on the team.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on August 01, 2015, 11:04:35 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if Lescott forces a move, just so he can be with his best buddy 'Micah' again.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on August 01, 2015, 11:33:49 PM

Quote from: KRS on August 01, 2015, 02:06:23 PM

Adebayor...I can just about make sense of this if his head is on the right place purely on the basis of experience and his relationship with TS. If the deal is stalling due to the players financial demands then let him rot at Spurs.

Berbatov...no doubt he was a quality player a few years ago, but watching him stroll around with his nonchalant style would do my head in. I really can't see him contributing any value or fitting in with this young squad we are developing that will presumably be playing a high tempo game. Other than having the ability to retain possession, I really can't see this working.

Given a choice between the 2 of them, and on the caveat that they aren't mental or lazy, then I'd take Adebayor but I'd much rather we use any available finances to secure another young, hungry and talented forward or an experienced RB or CB...or Cambiasso to provide experience in the middle of the park.

Agree totally, we don't need either Adebayor or Berbatov and should be using the budget to improve our RB or RCB options. A left sided midfielder would be ideal too

Overloading the squad with similar players is a Harry Redknapp or MON type tactic that Sherwood would be wise to avoid. Even if Kozak or Gabby are on their way out. Gestede, Abebayor and Berbatov are all slow and won't suit the pressing game Sherwood wants to play.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eamonn on August 01, 2015, 11:33:59 PM

Quote from: usav on August 01, 2015, 10:42:04 PM

Quote from: Stirchley Villain on August 01, 2015, 09:08:09 PM

Quote from: MoetVillan on August 01, 2015, 08:39:42 PM

I think we will see Westwood in a fresh light this season. He remains very underrated in my opinion

Haven't we said that every year since he's been signed? He's in the last chance saloon...

Why?  He's a good player, best first touch and passing on the team.

He gets caught badly tracking his man when we're defending, he's got no physical presence and for all his tidy passing he rarely assists or scores.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 01, 2015, 11:45:04 PM

Quote from: eamonn on August 01, 2015, 11:33:59 PM

Quote from: usav on August 01, 2015, 10:42:04 PM

Quote from: Stirchley Villain on August 01, 2015, 09:08:09 PM

Quote from: MoetVillan on August 01, 2015, 08:39:42 PM

I think we will see Westwood in a fresh light this season. He remains very underrated in my opinion

Haven't we said that every year since he's been signed? He's in the last chance saloon...

Why?  He's a good player, best first touch and passing on the team.

He gets caught badly tracking his man when we're defending, he's got no physical presence and for all his tidy passing he rarely assists or scores.

I'll give you the defensive side of things needs to improve but the assists/goals thing annoys me, that's not the role he plays in the team, he's the tempo setter who directs play and he does the role well enough to deserve a chance to do it in a better midfield.  If Sherwood has done his job properly the squad should've been split into 3, players who were good enough, players who'd shown enough to deserve a chance and players who needed to move on, it looks like that's been the approach and Westwood fell into the 2nd group, which is exactly where he belongs.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 02, 2015, 02:25:13 AM

Westwood knows his limitations. This is an asset, so many good footballers waste their time trying to be what they can't be.

Westwood could turn out to be an absolute star for us the way we will play, and he'll do it in that kind of way that makes you think he's replaceable till he's not.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Jimsta on August 02, 2015, 02:31:41 AM

Quote from: paul_e on August 01, 2015, 11:45:04 PM

Quote from: eamonn on August 01, 2015, 11:33:59 PM

Quote from: usav on August 01, 2015, 10:42:04 PM

Quote from: Stirchley Villain on August 01, 2015, 09:08:09 PM

Quote from: MoetVillan on August 01, 2015, 08:39:42 PM

I think we will see Westwood in a fresh light this season. He remains very underrated in my opinion

Haven't we said that every year since he's been signed? He's in the last chance saloon...

Why?  He's a good player, best first touch and passing on the team.

He gets caught badly tracking his man when we're defending, he's got no physical presence and for all his tidy passing he rarely assists or scores.

I'll give you the defensive side of things needs to improve but the assists/goals thing annoys me, that's not the role he plays in the team, he's the tempo setter who directs play and he does the role well enough to deserve a chance to do it in a better midfield.  If Sherwood has done his job properly the squad should've been split into 3, players who were good enough, players who'd shown enough to deserve a chance and players who needed to move on, it looks like that's been the approach and Westwood fell into the 2nd group, which is exactly where he belongs.

Isn't his job to protect the back 4, like you said his defensive side needs to improve but he will not improve as he to light weight for that position. If we had 2 class CB then ok he can carry on in his passing style but we need someone to put a foot in, The midfield is to nice. I.m sorry Westwod is a good Championship side.
Also sorry if not make sence as here in Thailand it a Buddha holiday and i been drinking all night and morning.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villan from luton on August 02, 2015, 02:41:51 AM

Quote from: Jimsta on August 02, 2015, 02:31:41 AM

Quote from: paul_e on August 01, 2015, 11:45:04 PM

Quote from: eamonn on August 01, 2015, 11:33:59 PM

Quote from: usav on August 01, 2015, 10:42:04 PM

Quote from: Stirchley Villain on August 01, 2015, 09:08:09 PM

Quote from: MoetVillan on August 01, 2015, 08:39:42 PM

I think we will see Westwood in a fresh light this season. He remains very underrated in my opinion

Haven't we said that every year since he's been signed? He's in the last chance saloon...

Why?  He's a good player, best first touch and passing on the team.

He gets caught badly tracking his man when we're defending, he's got no physical presence and for all his tidy passing he rarely assists or scores.

I'll give you the defensive side of things needs to improve but the assists/goals thing annoys me, that's not the role he plays in the team, he's the tempo setter who directs play and he does the role well enough to deserve a chance to do it in a better midfield.  If Sherwood has done his job properly the squad should've been split into 3, players who were good enough, players who'd shown enough to deserve a chance and players who needed to move on, it looks like that's been the approach and Westwood fell into the 2nd group, which is exactly where he belongs.

Isn't his job to protect the back 4, like you said his defensive side needs to improve but he will not improve as he to light weight for that position. If we had 2 class CB then ok he can carry on in his passing style but we need someone to put a foot in, The midfield is to nice. I.m sorry Westwod is a good Championship side.
Also sorry if not make sence as here in Thailand it a Buddha holiday and i been drinking all night and morning.

That's my excuse as well, I love a budda holiday. I actually like Westwood but when we are under the cosh I do have doubts. Syd and Dennis Mortimer were not big men but always knew when to put a foot in and do think it is a knack, Des Bremner was a master, not a great player but a great team player.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 02, 2015, 03:04:06 AM

I think Westwood is a good player when he is pressed to play at a good tempo by our team. Sometimes he drifts when he's not asked for quick ball.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villan from luton on August 02, 2015, 03:11:23 AM

So do you rate him Paulwinch?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: *shellac* on August 02, 2015, 04:20:38 AM

Westwood is just like The Charlatans in music equivalent, nothing spectacular nothing fanciful as compared to those flavour of the month bands or more established ones. You would have thought they were there to make up the numbers until they are gone.

Yes, I do rate Westwood. He's doing a unglamorous job in an above average way. Except the corners.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Caiphus on August 02, 2015, 04:35:03 AM

In my eyes intercepts are as valuable as tackles and Westwood reads the game well enough to intercept at a very high level. He also puts his foot in when he needs to he doesn't shirk on that front and does enough to disrupt forward momentum. The problem for Westwood is he has mostly had static options around him and when he had midfield movement the other mids would get the plaudits.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: VancouverLion on August 02, 2015, 04:35:29 AM

He's a tidy player doesn't do a lot wrong but doesn't do much great either. If we're attempting to become a top ten team which we finally look like we are, we need better imo.
Useful squad player for sure.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 02, 2015, 04:58:40 AM

Quote from: villan from luton on August 02, 2015, 03:11:23 AM

So do you rate him Paulwinch?

I do.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 02, 2015, 07:07:57 AM

Quote from: VancouverLion on August 02, 2015, 04:35:29 AM

He's a tidy player doesn't do a lot wrong but doesn't do much great either. 

When your main job is to collect the ball from the defence and quickly pass the ball on, it is hard to do anything which stands out or would be considered great.  Similarly, on the defensive side he does not need to be a big bruiser, his job is to be located in the way so that the play is shepherded out wide or to less dangerous areas (the all action Delph's should be the ones doing the tackling).

Therefore him failing would be when the ball is aimlessly punted from defence to forwards, sailing over the midfield - which often happens.  He also does fail to track runners.  So there is plenty of room for improvement, however I think he is good enough to be involved regularly.

A combination of some extra coaching from Butch and an injection of confidence from TS could turn him into very good player.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on August 02, 2015, 07:46:38 AM

I think the most ideal situation for Westwood on the defensive side of things is to have two physically-imposing, athletic midfield runners beside him, so that he can focus on intercepting the ball rather than trying to out-muscle. An extra midfielder there also takes the pressure off him having to track runners as well (and I think the fact that he's perceived as being prone to losing a runner is more reflective of his lack of athleticism, rather than awareness, in the sense that he doesn't have the burst over short distances to shut down a sudden surging run). So far, it looks like Gueye at least fits half of the bill - hopefully Veretout can fit on the other side, or otherwise it could be Sanchez or even Gardner.

Nobody's ever had a problem with his short passing game, but the passing range has tended to come and go with him - hopefully, now that we're playing a more expansive brand of football, he'll be able to build some consistency with that. I think the ultimate key is that we're sensible about when to play him, and when to bring Sanchez in for him instead.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 02, 2015, 08:19:14 AM

If we aspire to be more than just relegation fodder then we will need an upgrade on Westwood . Whilst he's not terrible, he has some significant limitations to his game .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: spangley1812 on August 02, 2015, 08:39:55 AM

Sunderland are in talks to sign Rubin Kazan midfielder Yann M'Vila, 25, as manager Dick Advocaat looks to add to his four summer signings

I would look @ Yann M'Vila as he was very highly rated in France

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris Smith on August 02, 2015, 09:11:30 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 02, 2015, 08:19:14 AM

If we aspire to be more than just relegation fodder then we will need an upgrade on Westwood . Whilst he's not terrible, he has some significant limitations to his game .

Yet on another thread you are praising Nathan Baker who has far more significant limitations to his game.

Westwood, to me, is one of those understated players who while rarely spectacular gets about the pitch doing the boring stuff that allows others to shine.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 02, 2015, 09:14:48 AM

Quote from: Chris Smith on August 02, 2015, 09:11:30 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 02, 2015, 08:19:14 AM

If we aspire to be more than just relegation fodder then we will need an upgrade on Westwood . Whilst he's not terrible, he has some significant limitations to his game .

Yet on another thread you are praising Nathan Baker who has far more significant limitations to his game.

Westwood, to me, is one of those understated players who while rarely spectacular gets about the pitch doing the boring stuff that allows others to shine.

Agreed of all the players left who have been here over the last few years I think Westwood has the class to be a top half player.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on August 02, 2015, 09:21:01 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 02, 2015, 09:14:48 AM

Quote from: Chris Smith on August 02, 2015, 09:11:30 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 02, 2015, 08:19:14 AM

If we aspire to be more than just relegation fodder then we will need an upgrade on Westwood . Whilst he's not terrible, he has some significant limitations to his game .

Yet on another thread you are praising Nathan Baker who has far more significant limitations to his game.

Westwood, to me, is one of those understated players who while rarely spectacular gets about the pitch doing the boring stuff that allows others to shine.

Agreed of all the players left who have been here over the last few years I think Westwood has the class to be a top half player.

Hopefully he's the type of player whose ability to progress is directly linked to the quality of team he's in. I feel like it's quite possible that had he gone to Swansea where they were already playing good football (instead of going through the stop-start-grinding to a complete halt Lambert era), who he was being strongly linked to prior to signing for us, people would be talking him up as a solid top-half player. Although I suppose you could argue that if he was actually that good, he would've made that step up regardless of the circumstances, instead of levelling out into mediocrity after his first season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on August 02, 2015, 09:27:23 AM

Quote from: Chris Smith on August 02, 2015, 09:11:30 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 02, 2015, 08:19:14 AM

If we aspire to be more than just relegation fodder then we will need an upgrade on Westwood . Whilst he's not terrible, he has some significant limitations to his game .

Yet on another thread you are praising Nathan Baker who has far more significant limitations to his game.

Westwood, to me, is one of those understated players who while rarely spectacular gets about the pitch doing the boring stuff that allows others to shine.

What's opinions of one player got to do with opinions of another? As it is I like Baker and Westwood. The latter does his job and whilst he has been exposed more than once as with Baker I think with a more solid unit around them they wouldn't be so open, caught trying to do more than is needed, and over exposed.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris Smith on August 02, 2015, 09:40:40 AM

Quote from: peter w on August 02, 2015, 09:27:23 AM

Quote from: Chris Smith on August 02, 2015, 09:11:30 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 02, 2015, 08:19:14 AM

If we aspire to be more than just relegation fodder then we will need an upgrade on Westwood . Whilst he's not terrible, he has some significant limitations to his game .

Yet on another thread you are praising Nathan Baker who has far more significant limitations to his game.

Westwood, to me, is one of those understated players who while rarely spectacular gets about the pitch doing the boring stuff that allows others to shine.

What's opinions of one player got to do with opinions of another? As it is I like Baker and Westwood. The latter does his job and whilst he has been exposed more than once as with Baker I think with a more solid unit around them they wouldn't be so open, caught trying to do more than is needed, and over exposed.

Because, both players have been regular players in the same side that he describes as "relegation fodder.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 02, 2015, 10:02:12 AM

I can understand why some people are unconvinced by Westwood, but to me he looks like one of those players whose contribution you don't really notice fully until you take him out of the side.

We've had some really underwhelming players the last few years, and not that many of them have looked like they have more to offer. Tarnishing Westwood with that brush seems harsh.

Yes, maybe he needs to add more assists and goals to his game, but then again, isn't that what we used to say about Delph?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Damo70 on August 02, 2015, 10:08:54 AM

I totally agree with your first paragraph. I always thought the same about Kevin Richardson.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on August 02, 2015, 10:10:07 AM

I think when you consider where we signed Westwood from and how he's progressed, there's a very good player there.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 02, 2015, 10:24:39 AM

Quote from: Damo70 on August 02, 2015, 10:08:54 AM

I totally agree with your first paragraph. I always thought the same about Kevin Richardson.

Richardson was light-years ahead of the thoroughly average Westwood.

He's been just sort of "meh" for his entire Villa career. If he was every going to improve, even to the level of quite good, he'd have done it by now.

Like Agbonlahor, it'll be a sign that Villa have progressed when he finally becomes obsolete.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on August 02, 2015, 10:41:38 AM

Quote from: Chris Smith on August 02, 2015, 09:40:40 AM

Quote from: peter w on August 02, 2015, 09:27:23 AM

Quote from: Chris Smith on August 02, 2015, 09:11:30 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 02, 2015, 08:19:14 AM

If we aspire to be more than just relegation fodder then we will need an upgrade on Westwood . Whilst he's not terrible, he has some significant limitations to his game .

Yet on another thread you are praising Nathan Baker who has far more significant limitations to his game.

Westwood, to me, is one of those understated players who while rarely spectacular gets about the pitch doing the boring stuff that allows others to shine.

What's opinions of one player got to do with opinions of another? As it is I like Baker and Westwood. The latter does his job and whilst he has been exposed more than once as with Baker I think with a more solid unit around them they wouldn't be so open, caught trying to do more than is needed, and over exposed.

Because, both players have been regular players in the same side that he describes as "relegation fodder.

As have beneteke and delph. That alone proves nothing. Poor management, poor coaching, too many fillers that added or contributed little, too mnay injuries seeing young players being thrown in at the deep end, too few experienced heads bringing the kids through...the list can go on and on.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: richard moore on August 02, 2015, 10:55:00 AM

Has the transfer thread moved somewhere else?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on August 02, 2015, 10:57:01 AM

Got anything?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 02, 2015, 10:57:24 AM

I think when discussing transfers it's legitimate to consider current players to work out which positions need improving (by, say, a transfer) and which players are not good enough and might be got rid of (by, for instance, a transfer).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 02, 2015, 10:58:54 AM

Quote from: curiousorange on August 02, 2015, 10:10:07 AM

I think when you consider where we signed Westwood from and how he's progressed, there's a very good player there.

That's the thing for me, I can't see any real progress . He's doing what he did when he first arrived. Nothing more nothing less .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: exigo on August 02, 2015, 11:15:58 AM

Quote from: richard moore on August 02, 2015, 10:55:00 AM

Has the transfer thread moved somewhere else?

Sunderland met its release clause of a pack of cheesy Wotsits and a tin of custard creams.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 02, 2015, 11:25:47 AM

hugely overvalued

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 02, 2015, 11:34:36 AM

Foxestalk have made a daring swoop for our transfer thread, it couldn't resist the lure of a truly big club and footyskillz is drawing up a list of targets for them.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 02, 2015, 12:12:01 PM

Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 02, 2015, 11:34:36 AM

Foxestalk have made a daring swoop for our transfer thread, it couldn't resist the lure of a truly big club and footyskillz is drawing up a list of targets for them.

Ian Marshall
Steve Guppy
Andrew Impey
Matt Elliott

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 02, 2015, 12:19:46 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 02, 2015, 08:19:14 AM

If we aspire to be more than just relegation fodder then we will need an upgrade on Westwood . Whilst he's not terrible, he has some significant limitations to his game .

Although I like Ashley Westwood, I would have to agree with that.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 02, 2015, 12:24:18 PM

Quote from: paul_e on August 01, 2015, 11:45:04 PM

Quote from: eamonn on August 01, 2015, 11:33:59 PM

Quote from: usav on August 01, 2015, 10:42:04 PM

Quote from: Stirchley Villain on August 01, 2015, 09:08:09 PM

Quote from: MoetVillan on August 01, 2015, 08:39:42 PM

I think we will see Westwood in a fresh light this season. He remains very underrated in my opinion

Haven't we said that every year since he's been signed? He's in the last chance saloon...

Why?  He's a good player, best first touch and passing on the team.

He gets caught badly tracking his man when we're defending, he's got no physical presence and for all his tidy passing he rarely assists or scores.

I'll give you the defensive side of things needs to improve but the assists/goals thing annoys me, that's not the role he plays in the team, he's the tempo setter who directs play and he does the role well enough to deserve a chance to do it in a better midfield.  If Sherwood has done his job properly the squad should've been split into 3, players who were good enough, players who'd shown enough to deserve a chance and players who needed to move on, it looks like that's been the approach and Westwood fell into the 2nd group, which is exactly where he belongs.

And our tempo has been absolutely shit for the time he's been in the team. He has very little effect on games. Take a look at the bottom 6 or 7 teams and he'd struggle to get in any of them. To get better we need an upgrade on players like Westwood.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 02, 2015, 12:27:53 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 02, 2015, 10:24:39 AM

He's been just sort of "meh" for his entire Villa career. If he was every going to improve, even to the level of quite good, he'd have done it by now.

Like Agbonlahor, it'll be a sign that Villa have progressed when he finally becomes obsolete.

Completely agree. In a few years when he's at Sheffield United or somewhere like that, I'll look back and wonder how on earth he played for us in the Premier League.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 02, 2015, 12:29:19 PM

Jordan Ferri the latest (French) Jordan player to be linked.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on August 02, 2015, 12:44:05 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 02, 2015, 12:29:19 PM

Jordan Ferri the latest (French) Jordan player to be linked.

Haha, I actually trawled through a list of Ligue 1 players the other day for more players named "Jordan", and he was the pick of the ones we hadn't yet signed!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on August 02, 2015, 12:48:45 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on August 02, 2015, 12:24:18 PM

Quote from: paul_e on August 01, 2015, 11:45:04 PM

Quote from: eamonn on August 01, 2015, 11:33:59 PM

Quote from: usav on August 01, 2015, 10:42:04 PM

Quote from: Stirchley Villain on August 01, 2015, 09:08:09 PM

Quote from: MoetVillan on August 01, 2015, 08:39:42 PM

I think we will see Westwood in a fresh light this season. He remains very underrated in my opinion

Haven't we said that every year since he's been signed? He's in the last chance saloon...

Why?  He's a good player, best first touch and passing on the team.

He gets caught badly tracking his man when we're defending, he's got no physical presence and for all his tidy passing he rarely assists or scores.

I'll give you the defensive side of things needs to improve but the assists/goals thing annoys me, that's not the role he plays in the team, he's the tempo setter who directs play and he does the role well enough to deserve a chance to do it in a better midfield.  If Sherwood has done his job properly the squad should've been split into 3, players who were good enough, players who'd shown enough to deserve a chance and players who needed to move on, it looks like that's been the approach and Westwood fell into the 2nd group, which is exactly where he belongs.

And our tempo has been absolutely shit for the time he's been in the team. He has very little effect on games. Take a look at the bottom 6 or 7 teams and he'd struggle to get in any of them. To get better we need an upgrade on players like Westwood.

That's an unfair thing to place on him. The tempo at which any team plays is almost entirely down to the gameplan set by the manager. Our tempo was dire under Lambert but quickened under Sherwood, and Westwood was a fairly common presence under both managers.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 02, 2015, 12:50:33 PM

Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 02, 2015, 12:27:53 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 02, 2015, 10:24:39 AM

He's been just sort of "meh" for his entire Villa career. If he was every going to improve, even to the level of quite good, he'd have done it by now.

Like Agbonlahor, it'll be a sign that Villa have progressed when he finally becomes obsolete.

Completely agree. In a few years when he's at Sheffield United or somewhere like that, I'll look back and wonder how on earth he played for us in the Premier League.

He's far too clean for Sheffield United. He'll end up at a nice-but-dull team like Reading.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Risso on August 02, 2015, 12:52:15 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on August 02, 2015, 12:19:46 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 02, 2015, 08:19:14 AM

If we aspire to be more than just relegation fodder then we will need an upgrade on Westwood . Whilst he's not terrible, he has some significant limitations to his game .

Although I like Ashley Westwood, I would have to agree with that.

Me too.  Although maybe playing with a better class of player under a better manager will raise his game.  He's a bit like Guzan for me, not top of the list of players to replace perhaps, but not good enough if we seriously want to improve.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 02, 2015, 12:56:14 PM

Players have to take responsibility too for how bad we've been the last few years, it's not just the managers fault, you can't blame Lambert for Westwood being caught out by runners numerous times and being light weight. Even under Sherwood I'd struggle to pick a game where he's contributed. He needs to influence games more, you can't have a centre mid in the team that doesn't tackle, doesn't track back, doesn't break up play, doesn't assist, doesn't score but plays a nice 5 yard pass. It's a wasted position and there are so many better players out there.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 02, 2015, 01:01:41 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on August 02, 2015, 12:56:14 PM

You can't have a centre mid in the team that doesn't tackle, doesn't track back, doesn't break up play, doesn't assist, doesn't score but plays a nice 5 yard pass. It's a wasted position and there are so many better players out there.

Disagree.  In fact, since the death of 442, I think most top teams have a player that does the unglamorous work which allows other players to flourish.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on August 02, 2015, 01:06:22 PM

I think Westwood is one of those players that wants to play in a certain position but to the team he would be better playing a different position.  Westwood likes to play the deep midfield position picking up the ball from the keeper or central defenders.  The problem is that this is a key position in the team and he is not PL level to play it.  We need an all round player in this position that can, not only break up play but build play as well.  Sometimes you do not have to be a really good player but you have to be effective.

I think Westwood should be played further forward but then he would be competing with our new signings so would have to accept he may not be a starter and it may be a position he does not favour himself.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 02, 2015, 01:06:39 PM

I think he is a good player. He does need to track runners better but then I don't think he is best suited to holding midfield. He had a decent shot and picks a pad and would be better as a box to box type in my opinion. We always play better when Westwood gets on the ball a lot and if he became available I reckon another premier league side would sign him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 02, 2015, 01:08:28 PM

I personally would say Westwood isn't fit, strong or fast enough to play box to box, he just doesn't have the physical attributes.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 02, 2015, 01:09:22 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 02, 2015, 01:01:41 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on August 02, 2015, 12:56:14 PM

You can't have a centre mid in the team that doesn't tackle, doesn't track back, doesn't break up play, doesn't assist, doesn't score but plays a nice 5 yard pass. It's a wasted position and there are so many better players out there.

Disagree.  In fact, since the death of 442, I think most top teams have a player that does the unglamorous work which allows other players to flourish.

Lol I think he'll remain one of those divisive players, like Kozak that splits opinion.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on August 02, 2015, 01:17:03 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 02, 2015, 01:01:41 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on August 02, 2015, 12:56:14 PM

You can't have a centre mid in the team that doesn't tackle, doesn't track back, doesn't break up play, doesn't assist, doesn't score but plays a nice 5 yard pass. It's a wasted position and there are so many better players out there.

Disagree.  In fact, since the death of 442, I think most top teams have a player that does the unglamorous work which allows other players to flourish.

He doesn't do the unglamorous work that he needs to do in his position, though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on August 02, 2015, 01:38:18 PM

Westwood is now part of a squad and will only stay in the team on merit. If he's good enough he will play. It's up to the rest to show that they can do a better job.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 02, 2015, 01:42:59 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on August 02, 2015, 01:08:28 PM

I personally would say Westwood isn't fit, strong or fast enough to play box to box, he just doesn't have the physical attributes.

He can only really play as a defensive midfielder in a three man midfield.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 02, 2015, 01:47:01 PM

Quote from: Risso on August 02, 2015, 12:52:15 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on August 02, 2015, 12:19:46 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 02, 2015, 08:19:14 AM

If we aspire to be more than just relegation fodder then we will need an upgrade on Westwood . Whilst he's not terrible, he has some significant limitations to his game .

Although I like Ashley Westwood, I would have to agree with that.

Me too.  Although maybe playing with a better class of player under a better manager will raise his game.  He's a bit like Guzan for me, not top of the list of players to replace perhaps, but not good enough if we seriously want to improve.

Good point.  Guzan, Westwood and Hutton are probably all in that category. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 02, 2015, 02:18:28 PM

Sanchez Veretout and Gueye on paper are the ideal 3. Westwood is good enough to be backup to them. In would like another central midfielder though I admit. That has similar attributes to Gueye.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 02, 2015, 02:28:33 PM

I wonder will Ray Wilkins sort out Westwood and make him more like him. Can't remember what Ray Wilkins is like as a player.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 02, 2015, 02:31:32 PM

Westwood will be our best player against Bournemouth. You heard it here first

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on August 02, 2015, 02:32:07 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 02, 2015, 02:28:33 PM

I wonder will Ray Wilkins sort out Westwood and make him more like him. Can't remember what Ray Wilkins is like as a player.

like Westwood but a lot better at passing.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Vegas on August 02, 2015, 02:33:51 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 02, 2015, 02:28:33 PM

I wonder will Ray Wilkins sort out Westwood and make him more like him. Can't remember what Ray Wilkins is like as a player.

From memory Ray Wilkins was a fairly classy but slow midfielder, played in a deep-ish role and very rarely gave the ball away; his successful pass completion stats (had such a thing been measured in the mid 80s) would have been very high.  Wasn't he known as "the crab" as he only ever moved the ball sideways?
 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on August 02, 2015, 02:36:32 PM

Quote from: Vegas on August 02, 2015, 02:33:51 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 02, 2015, 02:28:33 PM

I wonder will Ray Wilkins sort out Westwood and make him more like him. Can't remember what Ray Wilkins is like as a player.

From memory Ray Wilkins was a fairly classy but slow midfielder, played in a deep-ish role and very rarely gave the ball away; his successful pass completion stats (had such a thing been measured in the mid 80s) would have been very high.  Wasn't he known as "the crab" as he only ever moved the ball sideways?
 

Prior to going to Man Utd he was a more attacking player at Chelsea, a bit like the Lampard role.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on August 02, 2015, 02:57:21 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 02, 2015, 02:28:33 PM

I wonder will Ray Wilkins sort out Westwood and make him more like him. Can't remember what Ray Wilkins is like as a player.

I reckon a lot of us thought having Lambert and Keane around (two excellent deep midfielders) would do the same, yet it didn't exactly happen. Then again, Wilkins has a far superior reputation to either of them when it comes to coaching.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 02, 2015, 03:20:11 PM

Quote from: passitsideways on August 02, 2015, 02:57:21 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 02, 2015, 02:28:33 PM

I wonder will Ray Wilkins sort out Westwood and make him more like him. Can't remember what Ray Wilkins is like as a player.

I reckon a lot of us thought having Lambert and Keane around (two excellent deep midfielders) would do the same, yet it didn't exactly happen. Then again Wilkins has a far superior reputation to either of them when it comes to coaching.

That's the bit that gives most cause for optimism.

I think most people thought Keane was a train crash in waiting.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 02, 2015, 03:25:11 PM

Quote from: passitsideways on August 02, 2015, 02:57:21 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 02, 2015, 02:28:33 PM

I wonder will Ray Wilkins sort out Westwood and make him more like him. Can't remember what Ray Wilkins is like as a player.

I reckon a lot of us thought having Lambert and Keane around (two excellent deep midfielders) would do the same, yet it didn't exactly happen. Then again, Wilkins has a far superior reputation to either of them when it comes to coaching.

Really?  What can Wilkins point to from his coaching career that is comparable with Lambert's achievements with Norwich?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on August 02, 2015, 03:38:17 PM

Quote from: Dave on August 02, 2015, 03:25:11 PM

Quote from: passitsideways on August 02, 2015, 02:57:21 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 02, 2015, 02:28:33 PM

I wonder will Ray Wilkins sort out Westwood and make him more like him. Can't remember what Ray Wilkins is like as a player.

I reckon a lot of us thought having Lambert and Keane around (two excellent deep midfielders) would do the same, yet it didn't exactly happen. Then again, Wilkins has a far superior reputation to either of them when it comes to coaching.

Really?  What can Wilkins point to from his coaching career that is comparable with Lambert's achievements with Norwich?

We're distinguishing coaching (i.e. teaching players on the training ground) from managing (a far broader function). Lambert's achievements at Norwich seemed to come down to a mixture of an attacking style, tactical flexibility, an eye for lower-league talent and the support of a good coaching staff. Wilkins has done little as a manager, but when he got fired, I remember reading a lot about how Chelsea players were fans of what he brought to the table.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frank black on August 02, 2015, 04:13:17 PM

Quote from: old man villa fan on August 02, 2015, 02:36:32 PM

Quote from: Vegas on August 02, 2015, 02:33:51 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 02, 2015, 02:28:33 PM

I wonder will Ray Wilkins sort out Westwood and make him more like him. Can't remember what Ray Wilkins is like as a player.

From memory Ray Wilkins was a fairly classy but slow midfielder, played in a deep-ish role and very rarely gave the ball away; his successful pass completion stats (had such a thing been measured in the mid 80s) would have been very high.  Wasn't he known as "the crab" as he only ever moved the ball sideways?
 

Prior to going to Man Utd he was a more attacking player at Chelsea, a bit like the Lampard role.

Good for his clubs, known as the "crab" when on international duty.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on August 02, 2015, 04:18:54 PM

I think Westwood is underrated - he does a lot of things well, sometimes very well, that do not catch the eye.

Every team I have played in or coached I have appreciated the players that have the really good habit of not giving the ball away - he is one of those.

For me one thing that suggests he is better than most in last season's squad is that he adapted his game more successfully than most/anyone else when Sherwood came in. Cleverley flattered to deceive in half a dozen games and then went lack to being largely ineffective (though expended lots of energy in the process).

I would suggest one of the new recruits or a more consistent Sanchez is likely to partner Westwood rather than replace him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 02, 2015, 04:24:25 PM

Westwood is very handy player to have when we have the ball but something of a liability at times when we dont have it. If Sanchez adapts better to the pace of English football then I think he has the physical attributes to come in and be a better option for the defensive midfield role.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Diablo on August 02, 2015, 04:27:42 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on August 02, 2015, 02:31:32 PM

Westwood will be our best player against Bournemouth. You heard it here first

Sanchez will be our best player against Bournemouth. You heard it hear first ;-) Well maybe not but I do think he will have a great season with us now he's had some time to adapt. Both him and Okore will step up and come into their own. Watch this space :-)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 02, 2015, 04:38:40 PM

From the muscle he has put on I would think Sanchez has a good each way chance of a shot at the WBA Middleweight title.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: CT Villan on August 02, 2015, 05:15:24 PM

Westwood seems to me to be the best at the club for retaining possession and passing to another Villa player. However, he is also the best at the club for not marking midfield runners and doesn't appear to read the opposition's attacking intentions very well. Which makes it all-the-more surprising that he is played as a deep-lying/defensive midfielder. I haven't seen the new guys play yet, but would think that he will only be a back-up if these guys hit the ground running.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 02, 2015, 05:39:53 PM

If we are going to get anywhere, we need an upgrade on Westwood. Good squad player but an upgrade will make us better. Can we get back to potential replacements now please?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 02, 2015, 07:05:48 PM

Read on the BBC site that clubs are showing an interest in Ashley Williams from Swansea (article suggested Everton and Crystal Palace).  Can't see him leaving there, but it would be a good signing for us. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on August 02, 2015, 07:18:10 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 02, 2015, 02:18:28 PM

Sanchez Veretout and Gueye on paper are the ideal 3. Westwood is good enough to be backup to them. In would like another central midfielder though I admit. That has similar attributes to Gueye.

agree totally

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on August 02, 2015, 08:05:11 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 02, 2015, 02:18:28 PM

Sanchez Veretout and Gueye on paper are the ideal 3. Westwood is good enough to be backup to them. In would like another central midfielder though I admit. That has similar attributes to Gueye.

Ramires on a years loan from Chelsea!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Summers on August 02, 2015, 08:11:09 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on August 02, 2015, 07:05:48 PM

Read on the BBC site that clubs are showing an interest in Ashley Williams from Swansea (article suggested Everton and Crystal Palace).  Can't see him leaving there, but it would be a good signing for us. 

I don't like him, at all. He's a liability. Slow, lacks concentration and always has a mistake in him.

Though most people disagree, but that's just how I see him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 02, 2015, 08:16:20 PM

Totally irrelevant, but isn't Ashley Williams a Villa fan? Or am I thinking of someone else?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 02, 2015, 08:19:48 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 02, 2015, 08:16:20 PM

Totally irrelevant, but isn't Ashley Williams a Villa fan? Or am I thinking of someone else?

Well he is from brum, I can't remember where he used to work but I think it was city center way. He's got a decent thick as pig shit accent as well. If he has a brain cell he will be a villain.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 02, 2015, 08:22:33 PM

Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on August 02, 2015, 08:19:48 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 02, 2015, 08:16:20 PM

Totally irrelevant, but isn't Ashley Williams a Villa fan? Or am I thinking of someone else?

Well he is from brum, I can't remember where he used to work but I think it was city center way. He's got a decent thick as pig shit accent as well. If he has a brain cell he will be a villain.

Wasn't he born in Wolverhampton or somewhere in those parts. I thought he was a glory hunting Liverpool fan.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 02, 2015, 08:32:28 PM

Quote from: Diablo on August 02, 2015, 04:27:42 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on August 02, 2015, 02:31:32 PM

Westwood will be our best player against Bournemouth. You heard it here first

Sanchez will be our best player against Bournemouth. You heard it hear first ;-) Well maybe not but I do think he will have a great season with us now he's had some time to adapt. Both him and Okore will step up and come into their own. Watch this space :-)

I bloody hope so.  Both have huge amounts of potential, they've been sublime for short periods.
As PW says above Westwood (or one of the new guys) would really benefit from Sanchez's strength.  He could be our Matic.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Summers on August 02, 2015, 08:39:49 PM

I think Sanchez will do a lot better. He's performed very well international level, and now he's settled hopefully we see him play like that for us.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 02, 2015, 08:42:15 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 02, 2015, 08:22:33 PM

Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on August 02, 2015, 08:19:48 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 02, 2015, 08:16:20 PM

Totally irrelevant, but isn't Ashley Williams a Villa fan? Or am I thinking of someone else?

Well he is from brum, I can't remember where he used to work but I think it was city center way. He's got a decent thick as pig shit accent as well. If he has a brain cell he will be a villain.

Wasn't he born in Wolverhampton or somewhere in those parts. I thought he was a glory hunting Liverpool fan.

Ahh yeah he is from Wolftampon. I remember seeing him do an interview on a beach for some sport show. Probably football focus or some shit trying to be the One Show. High aspirations.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: in exile on August 02, 2015, 10:34:36 PM

Our local newspaper (the Tamworth Herald) refer to him as Tamworth's Ashley Williams

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 02, 2015, 10:37:29 PM

Quote from: Summers on August 02, 2015, 08:11:09 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on August 02, 2015, 07:05:48 PM

Read on the BBC site that clubs are showing an interest in Ashley Williams from Swansea (article suggested Everton and Crystal Palace).  Can't see him leaving there, but it would be a good signing for us. 

I don't like him, at all. He's a liability. Slow, lacks concentration and always has a mistake in him.

I take it that would be a 'no' then!!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 02, 2015, 10:38:59 PM

Quote from: Summers on August 02, 2015, 08:39:49 PM

I think Sanchez will do a lot better. He's performed very well international level, and now he's settled hopefully we see him play like that for us.

I certainly hope so...he couldn't do much worse than some of his performances last season. Hopefully with his first season under his belt, he'll flourish into a decent player and he'll be like a new signing himself rather than a liability.

It would be good to hear solid rumours of a CB and a proven goalscorer being brought in this week...I'd be prepared to risk giving Hutton and Bacuna the opportunity to prove themselves at RB until the January window if we can fill those 2 positions with quality and experience.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villan from luton on August 02, 2015, 10:54:22 PM

I actually think Sanchez coue a good player for us. I would love a good RB and CB

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Louzie0 on August 02, 2015, 10:59:24 PM

@whispers_listen: excite week. medic booked. avfc working without break to bring in and remove gk. loan away baker while bring in defender mid/wing and strike



He's at it again.  Another exciting week to look forward to, it seems.
Bring it on. :)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 02, 2015, 11:10:53 PM

Quote from: Louzie0Tim on August 02, 2015, 10:59:24 PM

@whispers_listen: excite week. medic booked. avfc working without break to bring in and remove gk. loan away baker while bring in defender mid/wing and strike



He's at it again.  Another exciting week to look forward to, it seems.
Bring it on. :)

It's like those messages arrive in an envelope as letters cut out of a newspaper. Then Jack puts them together into what he perceives as coherent sentences. Trouble is there are always letters left over like parts that you haven't used when putting together that DFS chest of drawers. You just pray it holds together and looks as it should.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 02, 2015, 11:22:38 PM

Has he actually been accurate before? Didn't he say Adebayor was a done deal?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Leighton on August 02, 2015, 11:34:01 PM

Somebody suggested that he actually uses Google translate to conduct his tweets, suggesting he may not be English. Or, he is English and is disguising his tweets. Either way, the account is the only ITK account I have ever had any belief in.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Louzie0 on August 02, 2015, 11:35:06 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 02, 2015, 11:22:38 PM

Has he actually been accurate before? Didn't he say Adebayor was a done deal?

Yes, albeit in Yoda mode.  I've enjoyed reading his messages this transfer window, he's got most of it right but I really appreciate the dramatic flair of the tweets landing like little bulletins with apparently outrageous names and claims, which then turn out to be right.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 02, 2015, 11:37:44 PM

He has called most of the deals right, but Adebayor I think he said was at BMH before the pictures on sky etc, so I could see how he could call that one as done, especially if Adebayor had the photos done last week before the announcement and a late snag held up the deal. After all Veretout was pictured on the pitch at VP with the shirt 24 hours before he was officially signed.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Louzie0 on August 02, 2015, 11:39:49 PM

There's still time for Adebayor to turn up and stretch the shirt, as well!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on August 02, 2015, 11:42:55 PM

Oh the Adebayor deal I hope that is how you say "dead in the water"!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 02, 2015, 11:48:42 PM

To be fair to him I think something happened to the Adebeyor deal (I am fine with that btw). Several press folks who get briefed by Villa were claiming he was going to be unveiled along with Jordan V & Rudy.

I wonder (my speculation) if he might have failed the medical?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Louzie0 on August 02, 2015, 11:49:27 PM

Or, to paraphrase Olaftab, he fell in the pool at BMH?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 02, 2015, 11:58:55 PM

Oh I think he will be unveiled tomorrow. And I think we probably need him to be, as he is a better striker than Kozak currently I think. Kozak needs regular games to build himself back up.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 03, 2015, 12:00:55 AM

Quote from: Louzie0Tim on August 02, 2015, 11:35:06 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 02, 2015, 11:22:38 PM

Has he actually been accurate before? Didn't he say Adebayor was a done deal?

Yes, albeit in Yoda mode.  I've enjoyed reading his messages this transfer window, he's got most of it right but I really appreciate the dramatic flair of the tweets landing like little bulletins with apparently outrageous names and claims, which then turn out to be right.

On the flip side, the twitter bloke Don Corleone is right about as often Lambert was inspirational.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 03, 2015, 12:08:33 AM

Quote from: Louzie0Tim on August 02, 2015, 10:59:24 PM

@whispers_listen: excite week. medic booked. avfc working without break to bring in and remove gk. loan away baker while bring in defender mid/wing and strike



He's at it again.  Another exciting week to look forward to, it seems.
Bring it on. :)

Wow, so that would be a keeper, defender, midfielder / winger and a striker coming in?  If true, it will have been a massive overhaul.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Louzie0 on August 03, 2015, 12:09:06 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 03, 2015, 12:00:55 AM

Quote from: Louzie0Tim on August 02, 2015, 11:35:06 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 02, 2015, 11:22:38 PM

Has he actually been accurate before? Didn't he say Adebayor was a done deal?

Yes, albeit in Yoda mode.  I've enjoyed reading his messages this transfer window, he's got most of it right but I really appreciate the dramatic flair of the tweets landing like little bulletins with apparently outrageous names and claims, which then turn out to be right.

On the flip side, the twitter bloke Don Corleone is right about as often Lambert was inspirational.

There are some outrageously inaccurate ITK twitterers out there and completely shameless with it; they keep on trying to convince even after being shown up to be utterly hopeless at ITK.  DC is well wide of the mark with just about everything I've read, it's entertaining.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 03, 2015, 12:15:51 AM

Its all very cryptic...but why stop at 9 new players when you can have a whole new team!

We do need a new CB and CF, but would prefer an experienced CM rather than a wide player...saying that, if our main tactic is balls into the box then the midfielder could be an upgrade on Bacuna with crosses from the right.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: b23 on August 03, 2015, 12:16:23 AM

Quote from: Louzie0Tim on August 02, 2015, 11:39:49 PM

There's still time for Adebayor to turn up and stretch the shirt, as well!

 I hope not.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 03, 2015, 12:16:40 AM

I have got to the point of simply reversing much of what some say now. We should create some kind of monitoring system to keep a track of accuracy. Or maybe my want to make everything into a database or excel sheet should not spill into a football forum....

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 03, 2015, 12:17:51 AM

Had a quick look, surely he's a deliberate pisstake? He had Veretout joining two different clubs in two days before joining us after "a U-turn", said Ayew would cost £20 million, then said the deal was off, and has now said "no truth in Berbatov" followed by "Villa to unveil Berbatov" within hours of each other.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Louzie0 on August 03, 2015, 12:21:14 AM

Quote from: tomd2103 on August 03, 2015, 12:08:33 AM

Quote from: Louzie0Tim on August 02, 2015, 10:59:24 PM

@whispers_listen: excite week. medic booked. avfc working without break to bring in and remove gk. loan away baker while bring in defender mid/wing and strike



He's at it again.  Another exciting week to look forward to, it seems.
Bring it on. :)

Wow, so that would be a keeper, defender, midfielder / winger and a striker coming in?  If true, it will have been a massive overhaul.

Up to 13 new signings, with the medic removing a gk this week from an unspecified member of the squad.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 03, 2015, 01:40:13 AM

Quote from: Louzie0Tim on August 03, 2015, 12:21:14 AM

Quote from: tomd2103 on August 03, 2015, 12:08:33 AM

Quote from: Louzie0Tim on August 02, 2015, 10:59:24 PM

@whispers_listen: excite week. medic booked. avfc working without break to bring in and remove gk. loan away baker while bring in defender mid/wing and strike



He's at it again.  Another exciting week to look forward to, it seems.
Bring it on. :)

Wow, so that would be a keeper, defender, midfielder / winger and a striker coming in?  If true, it will have been a massive overhaul.

Up to 13 new signings, with the medic removing a gk this week from an unspecified member of the squad.

There is a Stefan Postma joke in there somewhere.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve R on August 03, 2015, 01:55:27 AM

Get him in the GTC competition. Then we'll see what he's made of.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 03, 2015, 05:12:15 AM

I might be wrong but i'm sure someone on VT had evidence that Whispers was a fake account?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on August 03, 2015, 07:28:10 AM

I expect something will happen this week.Cambiasso perhaps or maybe a flying French winger who can cross a ball.Could be anything.Tim Sherwood is not finished yet.of that I am sure.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 03, 2015, 08:18:42 AM

Quote from: Ron Manager on August 03, 2015, 07:28:10 AM

I expect something will happen this week.Cambiasso perhaps or maybe a flying French winger who can cross a ball.Could be anything.Tim Sherwood is not finished yet.of that I am sure.

All I know is that they had better be called Jordan

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on August 03, 2015, 08:41:27 AM

With all these French players coming in, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Thierry Henry gets photographed at BH in a Villa shirt this week.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 03, 2015, 08:46:22 AM

he'd be a better signing than adebayor

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frank black on August 03, 2015, 08:56:23 AM

This Berbatov-petrov chatter, must be our attempt to call Levy's bluff. We can't be interested in berba, surely?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: asgpaul on August 03, 2015, 10:27:08 AM

Have we allocated squad numbers yet?  I can't see any reference to them. 

I'm a bit of a traditionalist when assigning players a shirt number.  Just wondering whether Tim has that No 4 shirt 'reserved' for anyone in particular?  I'm still holding out for 9 being reserved for Austin (tho' highly unlikely now) failing that would prefer Gestede wearing it, I know Sinclair had it last season, but Sinclair really isn't a No 9!   

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 03, 2015, 10:28:55 AM

it's got to be Rudy's surely? In fact I thought there were some pictures of him with it?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 03, 2015, 11:10:56 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 03, 2015, 05:12:15 AM

I might be wrong but i'm sure someone on VT had evidence that Whispers was a fake account?

All we can say about it is that it's been much more accurate than anywhere else (including the press) so I'd lean towards it being someone at the club, with the dodgy wording all part of a clear ploy to hide who they are.  If that's what they mean by fake (which is a complete misuse of the word) then ok, but it can't be a fake by any literal definition unless the person posting it is shouting all the comments into cortana/siri to post them.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on August 03, 2015, 11:23:45 AM

Quote from: asgpaul on August 03, 2015, 10:27:08 AM

Have we allocated squad numbers yet?  I can't see any reference to them. 

I'm a bit of a traditionalist when assigning players a shirt number.  Just wondering whether Tim has that No 4 shirt 'reserved' for anyone in particular?  I'm still holding out for 9 being reserved for Austin (tho' highly unlikely now) failing that would prefer Gestede wearing it, I know Sinclair had it last season, but Sinclair really isn't a No 9!   

SirClive has been wearing 9 in pre-season. I agree that it doesn't seem to fit.

I didn't notice who has worn 10. If no one has, maybe its been allocated to Jack.

Gueye has been wearing 8, I think

Amavi has been wearing 3, so Bennett has lost his number (no surprise there)

Has Micah been wearing 4 ?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: DBTW on August 03, 2015, 11:25:48 AM

Ayew wore 10 at Wolves

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: gervilla on August 03, 2015, 11:40:39 AM

My "sources" understand that Gary Gardner has been told he can find a new club

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: citizenDJ on August 03, 2015, 11:42:02 AM

Just had a look at Sky Sports News and found myself in 'The Transfer Zone'.

They're using Football Manager to decide if Pedro is better than di Maria, and to identify other similar players using stats for dribbling, crossing, passing.

Seriously

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 03, 2015, 11:45:23 AM

Quote from: gervilla on August 03, 2015, 11:40:39 AM

My "sources" understand that Gary Gardner has been told he can find a new club

Really ?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 03, 2015, 11:46:07 AM

if true he would probably go back to Forest

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 03, 2015, 12:14:14 PM

Looks like wba have bid for that Praet.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on August 03, 2015, 12:18:39 PM

Quote from: citizenDJ on August 03, 2015, 11:42:02 AM

Just had a look at Sky Sports News and found myself in 'The Transfer Zone'.

They're using Football Manager to decide if Pedro is better than di Maria, and to identify other similar players using stats for dribbling, crossing, passing.

Seriously

I saw that last night. Turned it straight off.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 03, 2015, 12:22:18 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on August 03, 2015, 12:18:39 PM

Quote from: citizenDJ on August 03, 2015, 11:42:02 AM

Just had a look at Sky Sports News and found myself in 'The Transfer Zone'.

They're using Football Manager to decide if Pedro is better than di Maria, and to identify other similar players using stats for dribbling, crossing, passing.

Seriously

I saw that last night. Turned it straight off.

Whilst it is, on the surface, nuts, the amount of research on players that they do for games like FM or FIFA is absolutely immense.

It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if either of the companies who make those two franchises possessed the most statistically up to date database on footballers out there. In fact, I'd be surprised if they didn't

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on August 03, 2015, 12:22:22 PM

Quote from: gervilla on August 03, 2015, 11:40:39 AM

My "sources" understand that Gary Gardner has been told he can find a new club

Not entirely surprised given his lack of game-time during pre-season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Summers on August 03, 2015, 12:31:07 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 03, 2015, 12:22:18 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on August 03, 2015, 12:18:39 PM

Quote from: citizenDJ on August 03, 2015, 11:42:02 AM

Just had a look at Sky Sports News and found myself in 'The Transfer Zone'.

They're using Football Manager to decide if Pedro is better than di Maria, and to identify other similar players using stats for dribbling, crossing, passing.

Seriously

I saw that last night. Turned it straight off.

Whilst it is, on the surface, nuts, the amount of research on players that they do for games like FM or FIFA is absolutely immense.

It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if either of the companies who make those two franchises possessed the most statistically up to date database on footballers out there. In fact, I'd be surprised if they didn't

FIFA, no way. FM, definitely. They and Opta now work together in many ways too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 03, 2015, 12:31:12 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 03, 2015, 12:22:18 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on August 03, 2015, 12:18:39 PM

Quote from: citizenDJ on August 03, 2015, 11:42:02 AM

Just had a look at Sky Sports News and found myself in 'The Transfer Zone'.

They're using Football Manager to decide if Pedro is better than di Maria, and to identify other similar players using stats for dribbling, crossing, passing.

Seriously

I saw that last night. Turned it straight off.

Whilst it is, on the surface, nuts, the amount of research on players that they do for games like FM or FIFA is absolutely immense.

It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if either of the companies who make those two franchises possessed the most statistically up to date database on footballers out there. In fact, I'd be surprised if they didn't

I read an article recently about how transfers happen. Unsurprisingly, part of that involves using various software packages to analyse statistics, performances etc. One of the one's discussed was one of these computer games but the version clubs use is a professional version which goes into much greater detail.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 03, 2015, 12:35:09 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 03, 2015, 12:14:14 PM

Looks like wba have bid for that Praet.

How much have they reportedly bid? Praet looks too good to end up playing for that lot and would be a big surprise for them to make another £8m+ signing in the same window.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on August 03, 2015, 12:35:59 PM

hes injured! I would be surprised, he was apparently outstanding at forest last season and recently signed a contract extension didnt he? Cant believe he is being paid much....my only concern would be the fact he hasnt stayed fit for any period of time could mean his place in the 25 could be under threat

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on August 03, 2015, 12:37:33 PM

Quote from: Summers on August 03, 2015, 12:31:07 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 03, 2015, 12:22:18 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on August 03, 2015, 12:18:39 PM

Quote from: citizenDJ on August 03, 2015, 11:42:02 AM

Just had a look at Sky Sports News and found myself in 'The Transfer Zone'.

They're using Football Manager to decide if Pedro is better than di Maria, and to identify other similar players using stats for dribbling, crossing, passing.

Seriously

I saw that last night. Turned it straight off.

Whilst it is, on the surface, nuts, the amount of research on players that they do for games like FM or FIFA is absolutely immense.

It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if either of the companies who make those two franchises possessed the most statistically up to date database on footballers out there. In fact, I'd be surprised if they didn't

FIFA, no way. FM, definitely. They and Opta now work together in many ways too.

I watched the FM documentary a few weeks ago. The clubs that appeared on there admitted to buying FM and using it as a database to scout players.  Suppose for £30.00 it's a no brainer.
Sports Interactive employee a 1000 full time scouts so it's bound to be extremely accurate. I am a regular FM player, not so much these days but if I've got nothing on for a day I can easily spend a full day playing it. Seriously addictive.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 03, 2015, 12:39:37 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 03, 2015, 12:22:18 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on August 03, 2015, 12:18:39 PM

Quote from: citizenDJ on August 03, 2015, 11:42:02 AM

Just had a look at Sky Sports News and found myself in 'The Transfer Zone'.

They're using Football Manager to decide if Pedro is better than di Maria, and to identify other similar players using stats for dribbling, crossing, passing.

Seriously

I saw that last night. Turned it straight off.

Whilst it is, on the surface, nuts, the amount of research on players that they do for games like FM or FIFA is absolutely immense.

It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if either of the companies who make those two franchises possessed the most statistically up to date database on footballers out there. In fact, I'd be surprised if they didn't

There was an article in the guardian last year about football manager - http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/aug/12/why-clubs-football-manager-scouting-tool (http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/aug/12/why-clubs-football-manager-scouting-tool) - the key bit is the 1300 scouts about halfway down.  They use a full mix though, as it says they have fanzine editors but they also employ a team of analysts in house and use professional scouting agencies in the major leagues.  Obviously they get some wrong but so does everyone.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on August 03, 2015, 12:43:36 PM

The last time I played Football Manager, it looked like this. However, I'm not sure whether the game I played on my ZX Spectrum was an early version of what you lot play now or a completely different game

(http://images.cdn.stuff.tv/sites/stuff.tv/files/styles/big-image/public/1-football-manager-2x.png?itok=rO_OVXGL)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 03, 2015, 12:45:13 PM

Quote from: gervilla on August 03, 2015, 11:40:39 AM

My "sources" understand that Gary Gardner has been told he can find a new club

No doubt Albion and Small Heath will be interested what with their obsession with our young cast offs.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 03, 2015, 01:01:59 PM

Quote from: Mister E on August 03, 2015, 12:22:22 PM

Quote from: gervilla on August 03, 2015, 11:40:39 AM

My "sources" understand that Gary Gardner has been told he can find a new club

Not entirely surprised given his lack of game-time during pre-season.

I like him but I don't think he's going to make it, he's slow and injured far too often

Shame really

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 03, 2015, 01:04:17 PM

Quote from: paul_e on August 03, 2015, 11:10:56 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 03, 2015, 05:12:15 AM

I might be wrong but i'm sure someone on VT had evidence that Whispers was a fake account?

All we can say about it is that it's been much more accurate than anywhere else (including the press) so I'd lean towards it being someone at the club, with the dodgy wording all part of a clear ploy to hide who they are.  If that's what they mean by fake (which is a complete misuse of the word) then ok, but it can't be a fake by any literal definition unless the person posting it is shouting all the comments into cortana/siri to post them.

Not only that he is hillarious, I don't care if its not true

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 03, 2015, 01:15:18 PM

If Gardner is indeed of them for me we are a midfielder light and should be expecting one to come in. Centrally we have Westwood, Gueye, Sanchez, Veretout. Richardson can pay there but not really up to standard. I thought Gardner would actually see quite a bit of football this season so if going think there is a hold in the squad there.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 03, 2015, 01:24:26 PM

I wonder if Tim is thinking Calder may come in and do a job if necessary from time to time.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 03, 2015, 01:25:39 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on August 03, 2015, 12:43:36 PM

The last time I played Football Manager, it looked like this. However, I'm not sure whether the game I played on my ZX Spectrum was an early version of what you lot play now or a completely different game

(http://images.cdn.stuff.tv/sites/stuff.tv/files/styles/big-image/public/1-football-manager-2x.png?itok=rO_OVXGL)

Oh the nostalgia , I remember playing Football Director on the 64 which was basically teletext , loved it  :D

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: exigo on August 03, 2015, 01:38:16 PM

Quote from: VILLA MOLE on August 03, 2015, 01:25:39 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on August 03, 2015, 12:43:36 PM

The last time I played Football Manager, it looked like this. However, I'm not sure whether the game I played on my ZX Spectrum was an early version of what you lot play now or a completely different game

(http://images.cdn.stuff.tv/sites/stuff.tv/files/styles/big-image/public/1-football-manager-2x.png?itok=rO_OVXGL)

Oh the nostalgia , I remember playing Football Director on the 64 which was basically teletext , loved it  :D

WARNING! Clicking this link will lose you the entire afternoon playing the original ZX Spectrum Football Manager. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED! (http://torinak.com/qaop#!manager)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: citizenDJ on August 03, 2015, 01:42:20 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 03, 2015, 12:22:18 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on August 03, 2015, 12:18:39 PM

Quote from: citizenDJ on August 03, 2015, 11:42:02 AM

Just had a look at Sky Sports News and found myself in 'The Transfer Zone'.

They're using Football Manager to decide if Pedro is better than di Maria, and to identify other similar players using stats for dribbling, crossing, passing.

Seriously

I saw that last night. Turned it straight off.

Whilst it is, on the surface, nuts, the amount of research on players that they do for games like FM or FIFA is absolutely immense.

It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if either of the companies who make those two franchises possessed the most statistically up to date database on footballers out there. In fact, I'd be surprised if they didn't

The whole thing is utterly preposterous from Sky. Everyone knows you should use FIFA for judging how good a player is.

I do think it's really quite silly though. The bloke actually cried "But look at the versatility, the stamina, the anticipation!" when explaining that Thomas Muller is better than Diego Costa - it sounded absurd.

I agree about the database of Football Manager though - I play the game myself.t

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave Cooper please on August 03, 2015, 01:55:41 PM

Quote from: in exile on August 02, 2015, 10:34:36 PM

Our local newspaper (the Tamworth Herald) refer to him as Tamworth's Ashley Williams

He was briefly in Tamworth's youth team before we sold him to the Stripeyfilth for a bag of footballs or something.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eamonn on August 03, 2015, 02:07:58 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on August 03, 2015, 01:01:59 PM

Quote from: Mister E on August 03, 2015, 12:22:22 PM

Quote from: gervilla on August 03, 2015, 11:40:39 AM

My "sources" understand that Gary Gardner has been told he can find a new club

Not entirely surprised given his lack of game-time during pre-season.

I like him but I don't think he's going to make it, he's slow and injured far too often

Shame really

Isn't Ger just taking the mickey here, showing how rumours can grow legs quickly?

That Whispers person is ace, now that MysteryMan doesn't come round no more.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 03, 2015, 02:46:21 PM

apparently, Albion have bid £11m for Praet

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 03, 2015, 02:59:56 PM

Definitely a deal that we should hijack if we have the funds available. I'd struggle to find a less Pulis like transfer target than Praet...but the young lad may decline the deal when he sees the shithole that is West Brom.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 03, 2015, 03:04:13 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 03, 2015, 02:46:21 PM

apparently, Albion have bid £11m for Praet

He would be Praet to go there , sorry  :-[

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: bob on August 03, 2015, 03:07:35 PM

Quote from: VILLA MOLE on August 03, 2015, 01:25:39 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on August 03, 2015, 12:43:36 PM

The last time I played Football Manager, it looked like this. However, I'm not sure whether the game I played on my ZX Spectrum was an early version of what you lot play now or a completely different game

(http://images.cdn.stuff.tv/sites/stuff.tv/files/styles/big-image/public/1-football-manager-2x.png?itok=rO_OVXGL)

Oh the nostalgia , I remember playing Football Director on the 64 which was basically teletext , loved it  :D

I had something on the Atari ST. Think it was called Football League. I don't think you could even pick your team,  just watched scores roll round.

Fucking class.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 03, 2015, 03:11:57 PM

Quote from: bob on August 03, 2015, 03:07:35 PM

Quote from: VILLA MOLE on August 03, 2015, 01:25:39 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on August 03, 2015, 12:43:36 PM

The last time I played Football Manager, it looked like this. However, I'm not sure whether the game I played on my ZX Spectrum was an early version of what you lot play now or a completely different game

(http://images.cdn.stuff.tv/sites/stuff.tv/files/styles/big-image/public/1-football-manager-2x.png?itok=rO_OVXGL)

Oh the nostalgia , I remember playing Football Director on the 64 which was basically teletext , loved it  :D

I had something on the Atari ST. Think it was called Football League. I don't think you could even pick your team,  just watched scores roll round.

Fucking class.

those were the days , kids dont know they are born, we had it tough   :P

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 03, 2015, 03:21:28 PM

The one I used to play to death was the International Soccer cartridge (whoo! cartridge not tape!) on the Commodore 64

(https://www.c64-wiki.com/images/f/fc/InternationalSoccer_Animation.gif)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 03, 2015, 03:24:53 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 03, 2015, 03:21:28 PM

The one I used to play to death was the International Soccer cartridge (whoo! cartridge not tape!) on the Commodore 64

(https://www.c64-wiki.com/images/f/fc/InternationalSoccer_Animation.gif)

that is bloody HD quality mate

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 03, 2015, 03:28:39 PM

 I remember it taking so long to load the tapes up on Commodore My mate used to just leave his  running on over night to save time .  The power pack used to get that hot you could fry an egg on it. He used to get such a bollocking from his dad  ;D

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: citizenDJ on August 03, 2015, 03:34:36 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 03, 2015, 03:21:28 PM

The one I used to play to death was the International Soccer cartridge (whoo! cartridge not tape!) on the Commodore 64

(https://www.c64-wiki.com/images/f/fc/InternationalSoccer_Animation.gif)

Used to love this (International Blocker, lol).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 03, 2015, 03:36:19 PM

Quote from: citizenDJ on August 03, 2015, 01:42:20 PM

The whole thing is utterly preposterous from Sky. Everyone knows you should use FIFA for judging how good a player is.

I do think it's really quite silly though. The bloke actually cried "But look at the versatility, the stamina, the anticipation!" when explaining that Thomas Muller is better than Diego Costa - it sounded absurd.

I agree about the database of Football Manager though - I play the game myself.t

On the Muller > Costa thing, I agree with them.  I've said a few times if he was played centrally he'd be the best striker in the world, he's a fantastic player who is massively underrated in my opinion.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 03, 2015, 03:37:32 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 03, 2015, 02:46:21 PM

apparently, Albion have bid £11m for Praet

Where the fuck they got £11m from? sure it's not $11m?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: citizenDJ on August 03, 2015, 03:37:57 PM

Yeah, maybe, I don't know, but I wouldn't be making that judgement based on his stats from a video game.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 03, 2015, 03:39:52 PM

Anyway fuck them, why ain't we signed anyone yet? been ages

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 03, 2015, 03:40:48 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 03, 2015, 03:21:28 PM

The one I used to play to death was the International Soccer cartridge (whoo! cartridge not tape!) on the Commodore 64

(https://www.c64-wiki.com/images/f/fc/InternationalSoccer_Animation.gif)

And these days I pay god knows how much for a license so that my kids can play Minecraft with worse graphics than that on a computer that can render graphics in a way you couldn't imagine 5 years ago.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: citizenDJ on August 03, 2015, 03:42:21 PM

https://twitter.com/SkySportsNewsHQ/status/628208266632425472 (https://twitter.com/SkySportsNewsHQ/status/628208266632425472)

Good grief.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on August 03, 2015, 03:42:48 PM

Quote from: VILLA MOLE on August 03, 2015, 03:28:39 PM

I remember it taking so long to load the tapes up on Commodore My mate used to just leave his  running on over night to save time .  The power pack used to get that hot you could fry an egg on it. He used to get such a bollocking from his dad  ;D

And adjusting those bloody tape heads when the game wouldn't load.  What a bloody nightmare.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 03, 2015, 04:09:29 PM

Quote from: citizenDJ on August 03, 2015, 03:42:21 PM

https://twitter.com/SkySportsNewsHQ/status/628208266632425472 (https://twitter.com/SkySportsNewsHQ/status/628208266632425472)

Good grief.

That is sad, hope is lost.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: gervilla on August 03, 2015, 06:33:35 PM

Quote from: eamonn on August 03, 2015, 02:07:58 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on August 03, 2015, 01:01:59 PM

Quote from: Mister E on August 03, 2015, 12:22:22 PM

Quote from: gervilla on August 03, 2015, 11:40:39 AM

My "sources" understand that Gary Gardner has been told he can find a new club

Not entirely surprised given his lack of game-time during pre-season.

I like him but I don't think he's going to make it, he's slow and injured far too often

Shame really

Isn't Ger just taking the mickey here, showing how rumours can grow legs quickly?

That Whispers person is ace, now that MysteryMan doesn't come round no more.

Yes. My "source" is one of the many Villa related facebook pages I have liked. Very easy to get something going.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 03, 2015, 06:35:21 PM

In which case you will not be shocked to learn that Jurgen Klinsmann takes over as player manager next Tuesday....

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: gervilla on August 03, 2015, 06:41:27 PM

Sorry. I haven't liked the" Villa Fans On LSD" page....yet.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Summers on August 03, 2015, 07:56:23 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on August 03, 2015, 12:37:33 PM

Quote from: Summers on August 03, 2015, 12:31:07 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 03, 2015, 12:22:18 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on August 03, 2015, 12:18:39 PM

Quote from: citizenDJ on August 03, 2015, 11:42:02 AM

Just had a look at Sky Sports News and found myself in 'The Transfer Zone'.

They're using Football Manager to decide if Pedro is better than di Maria, and to identify other similar players using stats for dribbling, crossing, passing.

Seriously

I saw that last night. Turned it straight off.

Whilst it is, on the surface, nuts, the amount of research on players that they do for games like FM or FIFA is absolutely immense.

It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if either of the companies who make those two franchises possessed the most statistically up to date database on footballers out there. In fact, I'd be surprised if they didn't

FIFA, no way. FM, definitely. They and Opta now work together in many ways too.

I watched the FM documentary a few weeks ago. The clubs that appeared on there admitted to buying FM and using it as a database to scout players.  Suppose for £30.00 it's a no brainer.
Sports Interactive employee a 1000 full time scouts so it's bound to be extremely accurate. I am a regular FM player, not so much these days but if I've got nothing on for a day I can easily spend a full day playing it. Seriously addictive.

HA! I went to the cinema to see it on the one off showing they did. I enjoyed it, and yeah I play it quite a lot (year 2027 at Bournemouth in my current game).

It's a useful, detailed, tool - I can see why some clubs (especially poorer clubs) would use it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Leighton on August 03, 2015, 09:11:14 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 03, 2015, 03:21:28 PM

The one I used to play to death was the International Soccer cartridge (whoo! cartridge not tape!) on the Commodore 64

(https://www.c64-wiki.com/images/f/fc/InternationalSoccer_Animation.gif)

That was pretty much the no-frills version of the superb Emilyn Hughes' International Soccer. You could edit team and player names, even the colours. You had league, cup and even a full season to chose from. Loved it and I still remember the leagues that me and my mates used to take part in, saving the game on to a blank tape and taking it to one of the other lads houses to play the away fixtures etc. Great times.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aev on August 03, 2015, 09:22:26 PM

Quote from: Leighton on August 03, 2015, 09:11:14 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 03, 2015, 03:21:28 PM

The one I used to play to death was the International Soccer cartridge (whoo! cartridge not tape!) on the Commodore 64

(https://www.c64-wiki.com/images/f/fc/InternationalSoccer_Animation.gif)

That was pretty much the no-frills version of the superb Emilyn Hughes' International Soccer. You could edit team and player names, even the colours. You had league, cup and even a full season to chose from. Loved it and I still remember the leagues that me and my mates used to take part in, saving the game on to a blank tape and taking it to one of the other lads houses to play the away fixtures etc. Great times.

There was a bloke called Innes that was very good up front from memory.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on August 03, 2015, 10:41:06 PM

Quote from: gervilla on August 03, 2015, 06:41:27 PM

Sorry. I haven't liked the" Villa Fans On LSD" page....yet.

Gueye Bykers on Acid

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: wozwebs on August 03, 2015, 11:27:06 PM

Petrov has uploaded a photo of himself, Martin Petrov and Berbatov all out for a meal tonight so presume he's in UK

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on August 04, 2015, 12:06:08 AM

Could Adama Traore be the winger that the ITK rumour mentioned as another possible player coming in. I know he has only played B team football at Barcelona but he looks quick and skilful.  Loan deal?  Was Sherwood in Spain early last week? 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 04, 2015, 12:30:33 AM

Quote from: wozwebs on August 03, 2015, 11:27:06 PM

Petrov has uploaded a photo of himself, Martin Petrov and Berbatov all out for a meal tonight so presume he's in UK

Berbatov's in town for the christening of one of Petrov's kids.

Sherwood was in Spain recently (apparently) but didn't we sign the right back not long after?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 04, 2015, 12:49:05 AM

Sherwood went to Barcelona. No idea if it was to meet Crespo, but interesting that this Barcelona kid is reportedly going to see Liverpool, Stoke and Villa. I guess he will chose Liverpool, but a bit of facials with Timmy might swing it. Sort of deals we should be looking to find and compete for so pleasing if any truth in the Spanish press report.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 04, 2015, 02:15:27 AM

Loads of media reports of other reports reporting that he's due to have a medical with Liverpool, and other media reports reporting on reports that Liverpool have denied it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 04, 2015, 08:17:54 AM

Quote from: UK Redsox on August 03, 2015, 10:41:06 PM

Quote from: gervilla on August 03, 2015, 06:41:27 PM

Sorry. I haven't liked the" Villa Fans On LSD" page....yet.

Gueye Bykers on Acid

Gueye Bakers on a Sid?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 04, 2015, 08:28:53 AM

Marca say he is coming to us but then I always thought Marca were just a Madrid tabloid. Both may be wrong!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: fbriai on August 04, 2015, 09:04:47 AM

Quote from: Leighton on August 03, 2015, 09:11:14 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 03, 2015, 03:21:28 PM

The one I used to play to death was the International Soccer cartridge (whoo! cartridge not tape!) on the Commodore 64

(https://www.c64-wiki.com/images/f/fc/InternationalSoccer_Animation.gif)

That was pretty much the no-frills version of the superb Emilyn Hughes' International Soccer. You could edit team and player names, even the colours. You had league, cup and even a full season to chose from. Loved it and I still remember the leagues that me and my mates used to take part in, saving the game on to a blank tape and taking it to one of the other lads houses to play the away fixtures etc. Great times.

I had the Emlyn Hughes version on the 48K, and agree, it was absolutely superb. The edit and league features kept me occupied for hours. I'd have a full season and relegate the club at the bottom, replacing them with a team promoted from a randomly-generated second division.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy65 on August 04, 2015, 09:50:54 AM

Quote from: fbriai on August 04, 2015, 09:04:47 AM

Quote from: Leighton on August 03, 2015, 09:11:14 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 03, 2015, 03:21:28 PM

The one I used to play to death was the International Soccer cartridge (whoo! cartridge not tape!) on the Commodore 64

(https://www.c64-wiki.com/images/f/fc/InternationalSoccer_Animation.gif)

That was pretty much the no-frills version of the superb Emilyn Hughes' International Soccer. You could edit team and player names, even the colours. You had league, cup and even a full season to chose from. Loved it and I still remember the leagues that me and my mates used to take part in, saving the game on to a blank tape and taking it to one of the other lads houses to play the away fixtures etc. Great times.

I had the Emlyn Hughes version on the 48K, and agree, it was absolutely superb. The edit and league features kept me occupied for hours. I'd have a full season and relegate the club at the bottom, replacing them with a team promoted from a randomly-generated second division.

Not as good as subbuteo

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve R on August 04, 2015, 09:51:22 AM

Quote from: UK Redsox on August 03, 2015, 10:41:06 PM

Quote from: gervilla on August 03, 2015, 06:41:27 PM

Sorry. I haven't liked the" Villa Fans On LSD" page....yet.

Gueye Bykers on Acid

Shouldn't that be 'lick' and not 'like'?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on August 04, 2015, 09:53:01 AM

I wonder if FIFA 15 will look as outdated as that does in 25 years time

and if it does what the hell will kids in 2040 be playing

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on August 04, 2015, 10:02:04 AM

What's this about gay Baker on Sid? Is this the new Sherwood regime attempt to foster a closer team mentality?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 04, 2015, 10:42:29 AM

I'm getting sooooooooo bored now, wish we'd sign someone

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 04, 2015, 11:04:07 AM

Antalyaspor in for Senderos !

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: fbriai on August 04, 2015, 11:58:54 AM

Quote from: Rudy65 on August 04, 2015, 09:50:54 AM

Quote from: fbriai on August 04, 2015, 09:04:47 AM

Quote from: Leighton on August 03, 2015, 09:11:14 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 03, 2015, 03:21:28 PM

The one I used to play to death was the International Soccer cartridge (whoo! cartridge not tape!) on the Commodore 64

(https://www.c64-wiki.com/images/f/fc/InternationalSoccer_Animation.gif)

That was pretty much the no-frills version of the superb Emilyn Hughes' International Soccer. You could edit team and player names, even the colours. You had league, cup and even a full season to chose from. Loved it and I still remember the leagues that me and my mates used to take part in, saving the game on to a blank tape and taking it to one of the other lads houses to play the away fixtures etc. Great times.

I had the Emlyn Hughes version on the 48K, and agree, it was absolutely superb. The edit and league features kept me occupied for hours. I'd have a full season and relegate the club at the bottom, replacing them with a team promoted from a randomly-generated second division.

Not as good as subbuteo

To be fair, Subbuteo is also a think of beauty.

It's a surprise I actually had time to do anything else as a kid, what with Subbuteo, Emlyn Hughes International Soccer, Match Day 1 and 2, Football Manager, Kick Off 1 & 2, Player Manager and Championship Manager.

Where did all of that spare time go?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 04, 2015, 12:15:49 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 04, 2015, 11:04:07 AM

Antalyaspor in for Senderos !

Result .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tom jennings III on August 04, 2015, 12:51:34 PM

Quote from: fbriai on August 04, 2015, 11:58:54 AM

Quote from: Rudy65 on August 04, 2015, 09:50:54 AM

Quote from: fbriai on August 04, 2015, 09:04:47 AM

Quote from: Leighton on August 03, 2015, 09:11:14 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 03, 2015, 03:21:28 PM

The one I used to play to death was the International Soccer cartridge (whoo! cartridge not tape!) on the Commodore 64

(https://www.c64-wiki.com/images/f/fc/InternationalSoccer_Animation.gif)

That was pretty much the no-frills version of the superb Emilyn Hughes' International Soccer. You could edit team and player names, even the colours. You had league, cup and even a full season to chose from. Loved it and I still remember the leagues that me and my mates used to take part in, saving the game on to a blank tape and taking it to one of the other lads houses to play the away fixtures etc. Great times.

I had the Emlyn Hughes version on the 48K, and agree, it was absolutely superb. The edit and league features kept me occupied for hours. I'd have a full season and relegate the club at the bottom, replacing them with a team promoted from a randomly-generated second division.

Not as good as subbuteo

To be fair, Subbuteo is also a think of beauty.

It's a surprise I actually had time to do anything else as a kid, what with Subbuteo, Emlyn Hughes International Soccer, Match Day 1 and 2, Football Manager, Kick Off 1 & 2, Player Manager and Championship Manager.

Where did all of that spare time go?

Match Day 2 on the spectrum was fantastic but as soon as I got Sensible Soccer there really was no turning back. And I still play it on my SNES now!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: fbriai on August 04, 2015, 12:54:16 PM

Sensible Soccer! How could I forget that from the list! World of Sensible Soccer with its leagues was superb!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 04, 2015, 01:05:49 PM

Indeed, Player manager by Anco and Sensible world of soccer by, er, Sensible. The 2 best football games of all time.

The Fifa games are bloody awful to be fair, as are any of the modern manager games. Fifa in my opinion is only popular because there is not really anything else, and the manager games don't really have proper strategy unlike most of Sid Meir offerings over the past 15 years or so.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Diablo on August 04, 2015, 01:07:21 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on August 04, 2015, 10:42:29 AM

I'm getting sooooooooo bored now, wish we'd sign someone

I was about to post the same thing. Following the last few weeks I am having difficulty adjusting to all this inactivity. Is that us done now?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cyrilina on August 04, 2015, 01:39:41 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 04, 2015, 11:04:07 AM

Antalyaspor in for Senderos !

    I thought we were swapping Emmanuel for Phillippe when I first read this.   I was going to say that I would be happy enough with that, not sure Spurs would be though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: itbrvilla on August 04, 2015, 01:40:12 PM

Quote from: Diablo on August 04, 2015, 01:07:21 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on August 04, 2015, 10:42:29 AM

I'm getting sooooooooo bored now, wish we'd sign someone

I was about to post the same thing. Following the last few weeks I am having difficulty adjusting to all this inactivity. Is that us done now?

I hope not.  Our defence is still pretty poor.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 04, 2015, 01:52:21 PM

Ray Wilkins just interviewed on SSN as part of their 92 club thing...Pete Colley failed to ask any questions about any further transfer activity.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2015, 01:54:05 PM

I quite like Wilkins.

He's pretty eloquent, knows what to say, represents the club very well.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on August 04, 2015, 01:54:33 PM

according to ESPN we're in for Barcelona B winger Adama Traore. Expected at Bodymoor today/tomorrow.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on August 04, 2015, 01:54:40 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 04, 2015, 12:15:49 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 04, 2015, 11:04:07 AM

Antalyaspor in for Senderos !

Result .

Just realised that Antalyaspor are a team. I was thinking that it was the name of a potential replacement for Phil

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: rougegorge on August 04, 2015, 01:55:28 PM

Quote from: itbrvilla on August 04, 2015, 01:40:12 PM

Quote from: Diablo on August 04, 2015, 01:07:21 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on August 04, 2015, 10:42:29 AM

I'm getting sooooooooo bored now, wish we'd sign someone

I was about to post the same thing. Following the last few weeks I am having difficulty adjusting to all this inactivity. Is that us done now?

I hope not.  Our defence is still pretty poor.

I agree. Four out of five of our worst defensive seasons in the Premiership have occurred in the last 5 years and I don't think we've strengthened nearly enough in this area.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2015, 02:03:02 PM

Quote from: rougegorge on August 04, 2015, 01:55:28 PM

Quote from: itbrvilla on August 04, 2015, 01:40:12 PM

Quote from: Diablo on August 04, 2015, 01:07:21 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on August 04, 2015, 10:42:29 AM

I'm getting sooooooooo bored now, wish we'd sign someone

I was about to post the same thing. Following the last few weeks I am having difficulty adjusting to all this inactivity. Is that us done now?

I hope not.  Our defence is still pretty poor.

I agree. Four out of five of our worst defensive seasons in the Premiership have occurred in the last 5 years and I don't think we've strengthened nearly enough in this area.

Beyond the general iffiness, the thing that worries me is that our options at centre half are all prone to injuries.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on August 04, 2015, 02:04:07 PM

I think is a make or break year for Clark.  With a bit more improvement he could be our first choice central defender for a few years.  If he doesn't, he may end up as 3rd/4th choice.  I do not think it is worth bringing somebody in to replace him without seeing how he can progress.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2015, 02:15:14 PM

I definitely think Clark has shown he is worth persevering with.

What was Senderos's injury that kept him out so long?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 04, 2015, 02:29:49 PM

Strained his larynx yodeling.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa Lew on August 04, 2015, 02:32:04 PM

Quote from: KRS on August 04, 2015, 01:52:21 PM

Ray Wilkins just interviewed on SSN as part of their 92 club thing...Pete Colley failed to ask any questions about any further transfer activity.

Yeah I thought their coverage of us was very poor, only lasted a couple of minutes.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 04, 2015, 02:54:46 PM

Quote from: old man villa fan on August 04, 2015, 02:04:07 PM

I think is a make or break year for Clark.  With a bit more improvement he could be our first choice central defender for a few years.  If he doesn't, he may end up as 3rd/4th choice.  I do not think it is worth bringing somebody in to replace him without seeing how he can progress.

Which is a good enough reason to make sure he signs a contract promptly.  In 6 months time he could be our main defender and demanding £X0,000/week extra whereas at this moment there must be some doubt in his mind whether he is good enough.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 04, 2015, 03:18:07 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on August 04, 2015, 01:54:33 PM

according to ESPN we're in for Barcelona B winger Adama Traore. Expected at Bodymoor today/tomorrow.

This one seems to be snowballing a bit now. Reports seem to be suggesting it'll either be on loan or for circa £7m with Barca having a buy-back option. Looks like an exciting player and, at 19, he wouldn't take-up a space in the 25-man squad either.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve R on August 04, 2015, 03:20:04 PM

It says much about our transfer activity this summer that a Spanish news outlet can report that we are about to sign a promising 19 year old from Barca and the response from a once desperate straw-clutching mob appears to be a collective 'ya whatevah'.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 04, 2015, 03:22:13 PM

Let's face it he looks a beast of a player that could be phenomenal if he fulfills his potential. I would love to see us doing deals like the one mooted for him as it would shore we are looking at the best young talent and trying to be creative but also push ourselves to another level. If Sherwood can get his signings to click this season the next 3 years or so could be fantastic.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Diablo on August 04, 2015, 03:25:21 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2015, 02:03:02 PM

Quote from: rougegorge on August 04, 2015, 01:55:28 PM

Quote from: itbrvilla on August 04, 2015, 01:40:12 PM

Quote from: Diablo on August 04, 2015, 01:07:21 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on August 04, 2015, 10:42:29 AM

I'm getting sooooooooo bored now, wish we'd sign someone

I was about to post the same thing. Following the last few weeks I am having difficulty adjusting to all this inactivity. Is that us done now?

I hope not.  Our defence is still pretty poor.

I agree. Four out of five of our worst defensive seasons in the Premiership have occurred in the last 5 years and I don't think we've strengthened nearly enough in this area.

Beyond the general iffiness, the thing that worries me is that our options at centre half are all prone to injuries.

I'm hoping this season Sanchez will have adapted to the Premier League (as he looks a good international) and will offer the defence some much needed protection in midfield. But yeah I'm really not confident about the defence but that maybe down to our recent history as much as anything else.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2015, 03:29:52 PM

Quote from: Steve Rose on August 04, 2015, 03:20:04 PM

It says much about our transfer activity this summer that a Spanish news outlet can report that we are about to sign a promising 19 year old from Barca and the response from a once desperate straw-clutching mob appears to be a collective 'ya whatevah'.

If we sign him, WM will probably be too busy talking about Rickie Lambert or running a Bob Taylor retrospective to mention it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 04, 2015, 03:30:16 PM

Defensive injuries worries me the most too. Moving Senderos and Baker out makers sense b but the one coming in we could do with having a pretty solid fitness record. I thought Sherwood might go for Dawson with the Spurs history but he seems to not really be going down that route.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 04, 2015, 03:47:29 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2015, 02:03:02 PM

Quote from: rougegorge on August 04, 2015, 01:55:28 PM

Quote from: itbrvilla on August 04, 2015, 01:40:12 PM

Quote from: Diablo on August 04, 2015, 01:07:21 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on August 04, 2015, 10:42:29 AM

I'm getting sooooooooo bored now, wish we'd sign someone

I was about to post the same thing. Following the last few weeks I am having difficulty adjusting to all this inactivity. Is that us done now?

I hope not.  Our defence is still pretty poor.

I agree. Four out of five of our worst defensive seasons in the Premiership have occurred in the last 5 years and I don't think we've strengthened nearly enough in this area.

Beyond the general iffiness, the thing that worries me is that our options at centre half are all prone to injuries.

Baker we all know is made of glass, and Senderos is even more fragile.
Clark I thought had been OK injury wise. up until his season ending injury (knee ligaments against Spurs?)
Vlaar is well catalogued
Okore, I think is paying the price of playing the last 4-5 games when under normal circumstances he wouldn't even have been in light training, but before his cruciate injury had barely missed a game for FCN since breaking into the team.
Richards - question marks, but most of his lacking playing time over the last 3 seasons can be attributed to managers and systems.

I'd say under normal circumstances Richards / Okore and Clark would prove to be robust enough, but we would definitely need someone reliable as a second left sided CB.

However this being us, where our new utility defender goes off after 5 minutes of his debut, we should probably sign 2 more for each side.

That way we might get past the end of September without reading about "defensive injury crisis at Villa"

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ryu on August 04, 2015, 03:49:03 PM

God that traore looks nifty in his YouTube compilation.  Obviously with the caveat that they can be misleading if we manage to pull that one off he'll give us some excellent entertainment for a few years.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 04, 2015, 03:49:08 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 04, 2015, 03:18:07 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on August 04, 2015, 01:54:33 PM

according to ESPN we're in for Barcelona B winger Adama Traore. Expected at Bodymoor today/tomorrow.

This one seems to be snowballing a bit now. Reports seem to be suggesting it'll either be on loan or for circa £7m with Barca having a buy-back option. Looks like an exciting player and, at 19, he wouldn't take-up a space in the 25-man squad either.

Most reports have changed angle over night and seem to suggest we are favourites to sign him now. This is a player to be genuinely excited about if TS and the backroom staff can pull this one off.

edit: reports suggesting €10m fee with buy back option for Barcelona.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: AVFC13 on August 04, 2015, 03:49:12 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 04, 2015, 03:18:07 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on August 04, 2015, 01:54:33 PM

according to ESPN we're in for Barcelona B winger Adama Traore. Expected at Bodymoor today/tomorrow.

This one seems to be snowballing a bit now. Reports seem to be suggesting it'll either be on loan or for circa £7m with Barca having a buy-back option. Looks like an exciting player and, at 19, he wouldn't take-up a space in the 25-man squad either.

According to the youtube thingy, the kids likes to dribble and cross the ball....wouldn't be a bad thing for us to have down at VP.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 04, 2015, 03:51:20 PM

Quote from: KRS on August 04, 2015, 03:49:08 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 04, 2015, 03:18:07 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on August 04, 2015, 01:54:33 PM

according to ESPN we're in for Barcelona B winger Adama Traore. Expected at Bodymoor today/tomorrow.

This one seems to be snowballing a bit now. Reports seem to be suggesting it'll either be on loan or for circa £7m with Barca having a buy-back option. Looks like an exciting player and, at 19, he wouldn't take-up a space in the 25-man squad either.

Most reports have changed angle over night and seem to suggest we are favourites to sign him now. This is a player to be genuinely excited about if TS and the backroom staff can pull this one off.

Sky journalist on twitter suggests he is still of to Liverpool.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 04, 2015, 03:51:22 PM

Last time I checked, Adama Traore was one of the most exciting youngsters at La Masia. Would be great if we could get him, I doubt it though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 04, 2015, 03:55:21 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 04, 2015, 03:51:20 PM

Quote from: KRS on August 04, 2015, 03:49:08 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 04, 2015, 03:18:07 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on August 04, 2015, 01:54:33 PM

according to ESPN we're in for Barcelona B winger Adama Traore. Expected at Bodymoor today/tomorrow.

This one seems to be snowballing a bit now. Reports seem to be suggesting it'll either be on loan or for circa £7m with Barca having a buy-back option. Looks like an exciting player and, at 19, he wouldn't take-up a space in the 25-man squad either.

Most reports have changed angle over night and seem to suggest we are favourites to sign him now. This is a player to be genuinely excited about if TS and the backroom staff can pull this one off.

Sky journalist on twitter suggests he is still of to Liverpool.

Surely Liverpool have spent way beyond their means already? The deciding factor could be more first team football at Villa which he may not get at Liverpool, and I'm sure we can spin that he'd be coming into a young developing side based on our signings so far.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dr Butler on August 04, 2015, 04:03:46 PM

he looks great...come on Hendrick, Tim and Tom get it done :)

UTV
The Doc

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Jockey Randall on August 04, 2015, 04:04:20 PM

James Pearce from the Liverpool echo has said they're not interested in Traore anymore.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: onje_villa on August 04, 2015, 04:19:04 PM

I'm going to say he's definitely going to Liverpool and then have an amazing surprise if it turns out he's joining us. Prefer it that way :)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2015, 04:20:42 PM

Only 19. He's a big lad, mind.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 04, 2015, 04:21:07 PM

This Traore looks spectacular. Like a faster, beefed up version of Gil. Interesting that Sherwood sees Gil as more of a "Number 10" playing just behind the forwards as opposed to on the wing.

We can but dream...

edit: He also looks the player Charles N'Zogbia believes he is in his head. Before he runs the ball over the touchline...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: AVFC13 on August 04, 2015, 04:24:19 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2015, 04:20:42 PM

Only 19. He's a big lad, mind.

agreed. He's like a small tank that speeds past everyone. Would love to see what he could do in the prem.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 04, 2015, 04:29:43 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 04, 2015, 04:21:07 PM

This Traore looks spectacular. Like a faster, beefed up version of Gil. Interesting that Sherwood sees Gil as more of a "Number 10" playing just behind the forwards as opposed to on the wing.

We can but dream...

edit: He also looks the player Charles N'Zogbia believes he is in his head. Before he runs the ball over the touchline...

Yep a line up of:

       Veretout         Gueye

Traore    Grealish / Gil     Sinclair

           Gestede / A N Other

Looks pretty good

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 04, 2015, 04:32:34 PM

Sky have been very slow on the transfer front this summer. I've got all my news from French footy Twitter feeds!

We definitely need a wide option.

We also need four centre backs so you'd think we're in for one more there if baker and senderos are going. I wouldn't mind a boring, British, experienced centre half to be honest. Not Mike Williamson though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 04, 2015, 04:34:12 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on August 04, 2015, 04:32:34 PM

Sky have been very slow on the transfer front this summer. I've got all my news from French footy Twitter feeds!

We definitely need a wide option.

We also need four centre backs so you'd think we're in for one more there if baker and senderos are going. I wouldn't mind a boring, British, experienced centre half to be honest. Not Mike Williamson though.

I think our plan is score 48 a game and limit the opponents to 18-20!!

I imagine a CB is in the plans but getting this kid in would be superb. A RB upgrade would be great too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 04, 2015, 04:57:29 PM

Quote from: AVFC13 on August 04, 2015, 03:49:12 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 04, 2015, 03:18:07 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on August 04, 2015, 01:54:33 PM

according to ESPN we're in for Barcelona B winger Adama Traore. Expected at Bodymoor today/tomorrow.

This one seems to be snowballing a bit now. Reports seem to be suggesting it'll either be on loan or for circa £7m with Barca having a buy-back option. Looks like an exciting player and, at 19, he wouldn't take-up a space in the 25-man squad either.

According to the youtube thingy, the kids likes to dribble and cross the ball....wouldn't be a bad thing for us to have down at VP.

I had to stop watching that video after 4 minutes as the lad seems just too brilliant, an absolutely superb footballer. I can't allow myself to dream of him playing for us.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave Cooper please on August 04, 2015, 05:05:07 PM

According to Twitter(yes. yes I know) Trore and Crespo have the same agent.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 04, 2015, 05:06:26 PM

Quote from: Jockey Randall on August 04, 2015, 04:04:20 PM

James Pearce from the Liverpool echo has said they're not interested in Traore anymore.

If that's true then Liverpool/Rogers are complete and utter idiots. Traore looks like he's been genetically designed to supply Benteke. He's not greedy, he's always looking to supply the ball back into the type of position Benteke makes his own.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 04, 2015, 05:09:12 PM

so he's equally genetically designed to supply Gestede

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 04, 2015, 05:14:40 PM

If that is true there's a lot there to like, over and above the tricky dribbling.

1. Plenty of times he could have gone to ground looking for a cheap free kick but kept going.
2. Awareness of what's going on around him. 2 or 3 times he passes to a better placed team mate instead of taking on a more difficult shot.
3. When he gets into a position to cross or pull back, he looks for a man, rather than hit and hope.

Edit
Just seen Rudy's post.
Great minds.......

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: onje_villa on August 04, 2015, 05:21:10 PM

That journo seems pretty sure about the Liverpool link.

Based on that and the fact that it feels like we have bought more exciting prospect this window than we could have dreamed of, I'm guessing things will even themselves out and we'll be disappointed.

Still would be a very pleasant surprise if there is some truth in our links.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 04, 2015, 05:21:20 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 04, 2015, 05:09:12 PM

so he's equally genetically designed to supply Gestede

I think he looks so skillful he could supply anybody. My point was Benteke likes to drop back, creating space for himself around the penalty spot, where if you get the ball to him, he'll put it in the back of the net. As ViD points out, Traore doesn't do hit and hope. A wonderfully intelligent not to mention skillful player.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 04, 2015, 05:25:51 PM

And probably going to torment Hutton when we play Liverpool. It if nice to at least be almost interested in players like him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 04, 2015, 05:35:55 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on August 04, 2015, 04:32:34 PM

Sky have been very slow on the transfer front this summer. I've got all my news from French footy Twitter feeds!

We definitely need a wide option.

We also need four centre backs so you'd think we're in for one more there if baker and senderos are going. I wouldn't mind a boring, British, experienced centre half to be honest. Not Mike Williamson though.

Was thinking exactly the same thing earlier. We could really use a boring, reliable, Premiership-hardened centre-half in the squad now. a Colin Calderwood/Ronnie Johnsen type-signing. I'm happy to give Richards and Clark a go, but we need a safer-bet than Baker or Okore to fall-back on if it doesn't work.

Lescott would have made perfect sense to me, but even somebody like a Curtis Davies (at the right price) would be a good move IMO.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on August 04, 2015, 05:40:57 PM

Reminds me of Albert Johannsen the Leeds winger of the late sixties.This lad would provide a lot of excitement.The kind of excitement we are not used to!

It's a big yes from me.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 04, 2015, 05:48:48 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 04, 2015, 04:34:12 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on August 04, 2015, 04:32:34 PM

Sky have been very slow on the transfer front this summer. I've got all my news from French footy Twitter feeds!

We definitely need a wide option.

We also need four centre backs so you'd think we're in for one more there if baker and senderos are going. I wouldn't mind a boring, British, experienced centre half to be honest. Not Mike Williamson though.

I think our plan is score 48 a game and limit the opponents to 18-20!!

I imagine a CB is in the plans but getting this kid in would be superb. A RB upgrade would be great too.

I cant see us going for a RB

with Hutton/Bacuna/crespo all playing that position and richards if in an emergency

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 04, 2015, 05:50:24 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on August 04, 2015, 05:14:40 PM

If that is true there's a lot there to like, over and above the tricky dribbling.

1. Plenty of times he could have gone to ground looking for a cheap free kick but kept going.
2. Awareness of what's going on around him. 2 or 3 times he passes to a better placed team mate instead of taking on a more difficult shot.
3. When he gets into a position to cross or pull back, he looks for a man, rather than hit and hope.

Edit
Just seen Rudy's post.
Great minds.......

the opposite to nzogbia then .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mallo on August 04, 2015, 05:50:27 PM

Blimey he looks far too good! A better version of Young even after his Manure tenancy. Kozak would only have to fall on the ball or shin it in with that service and he'd have 20 a season. Get him in quick!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 04, 2015, 05:52:37 PM

Blimey just gone back to the first post on here

Bakary Sako is in advanced talks with Aston Villa.


how times have changed ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: AVFC13 on August 04, 2015, 06:07:08 PM

Tim's done a wonderful job convincing our other signing's that VP is the place to be...I'm hoping he can work his magic one more time and get this kid in. He looks very useful! Gestede and Kozac will both be putting the ball in the net with the service he can provide. Do it Tim!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 04, 2015, 06:20:50 PM

We've had a great summer window but I think Traore would just be too good to be true. While the prospect of joining a "true" Prem club with the highest grade facilities, stadium and exposure I just cant imagine we would shell out another €15m on top of what we've already spent.

Glad we're in the mix though..

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 04, 2015, 06:30:17 PM

I still think we are one player short in defense, midfield and attack. Just a little bit more business could give us a comfortable season rather than shitting it over injuries all the time.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 04, 2015, 06:30:43 PM

I pray this Traore link isn't one where the club comes out and denies. I'd like to dream that it actually happens for a bit longer even if ultimately my bonfire gets pissed on.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 04, 2015, 06:37:08 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 04, 2015, 06:30:43 PM

I pray this Traore link isn't one where the club comes out and denies. I'd like to dream that it actually happens for a bit longer even if ultimately my bonfire gets pissed on.

I know but he is amazing why would they want to sell ??

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 04, 2015, 06:37:25 PM

I would love it if it come true as we want a decent winger to replace Tony Morley ;) I would also like a new right back and central defender. There must be new Olof Mellberg out there. One thing concern me we are not looking at Vikings for players :( I love them.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on August 04, 2015, 06:38:16 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 04, 2015, 06:30:43 PM

I pray this Traore link isn't one where the club comes out and denies. I'd like to dream that it actually happens for a bit longer even if ultimately my bonfire gets pissed on.

£7m though.  Just think if we had been quicker with another couple of mil we could have got the goal machine Conor Wickham. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cheadlevilla on August 04, 2015, 06:47:19 PM

Oh my lord.......   Yes please!!!!!!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 04, 2015, 06:57:03 PM

Quote from: VILLA MOLE on August 04, 2015, 06:37:08 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 04, 2015, 06:30:43 PM

I pray this Traore link isn't one where the club comes out and denies. I'd like to dream that it actually happens for a bit longer even if ultimately my bonfire gets pissed on.

I know but he is amazing why would they want to sell ??

they might want to sell with a buy back option. At a side like Barcelona they have to succeed every year. They have immense talent deep down. So he might just be a bit too far down the pecking order which is incredibly scary.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villabear on August 04, 2015, 06:58:56 PM

Lazy journo"s put spin on the story

from football 365.com.  "Despite reports to the contrary, Liverpool are not interested in signing Barcelona winger Adama Traore.
Reports in Spain suggested that 19-year-old Traore would soon be flying into England for a medical at Liverpool.
However, the Liverpool Echo claims that such reports are wide of the mark. Instead, Brendan Rodgers is not interested in signing Traore, presumably believing he has enough options already in that area.
Traore could well still be coming to the Premier League, however. The Daily Mail claims that Aston Villa have entered into the race, because Tim Sherwood suddenly wants every player he can get his hands on. Stoke and Everton are also interested.
Traore has represented Spain at U16, U17 and U19 levels, making his Barcelona debut aged just 17 in 2013.

Crap lazy writing.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 04, 2015, 07:00:38 PM

Quote from: VILLA MOLE on August 04, 2015, 06:37:08 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 04, 2015, 06:30:43 PM

I pray this Traore link isn't one where the club comes out and denies. I'd like to dream that it actually happens for a bit longer even if ultimately my bonfire gets pissed on.

I know but he is amazing why would they want to sell ??

His contract states that this new season he must enter the first team squad. Despite his talent they have a few players that will restrict his first team appearances and the lad wants to play, not sit in the stands every weekend.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 04, 2015, 07:01:03 PM

I'm enjoying how everyone has been completely dismissive of our chances this year or on our transfer approach. I think we will surprise some people once this side starts to click. This won't be Lambert's Villa who bored the royal piss out of everyone on planet Earth.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 04, 2015, 07:01:55 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 04, 2015, 05:52:37 PM

Blimey just gone back to the first post on here

Bakary Sako is in advanced talks with Aston Villa.


how times have changed ;)

Keep the faith. There's still time.

#wishingforbakary.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 04, 2015, 07:03:08 PM

That Traore don't look as good as N'Zogbia.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2015, 07:04:13 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 04, 2015, 07:01:03 PM

I'm enjoying how everyone has been completely dismissive of our chances this year or on our transfer approach. I think we will surprise some people once this side starts to click. This won't be Lambert's Villa who bored the royal piss out of everyone on planet Earth.

What I will never understand about Lambert is how we went from so entertaining and, err, vibrant at times in his first season, to so unremittingly fucking rubbish in his last.

In that first season I remember Phillipe Auclair saying we played a bit like Borussia Dortmund do, and being mightily impressed.

By the final season, we were an absolute joke.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 04, 2015, 07:05:27 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 04, 2015, 07:01:03 PM

I'm enjoying how everyone has been completely dismissive of our chances this year or on our transfer approach. I think we will surprise some people once this side starts to click. This won't be Lambert's Villa who bored the royal piss out of everyone on planet Earth.

The irony of it taking Lambert's sacking to get a team we thought Lambert would deliver is almost too much..

Crosses fingers.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 04, 2015, 07:07:05 PM

Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 04, 2015, 07:00:38 PM

Quote from: VILLA MOLE on August 04, 2015, 06:37:08 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 04, 2015, 06:30:43 PM

I pray this Traore link isn't one where the club comes out and denies. I'd like to dream that it actually happens for a bit longer even if ultimately my bonfire gets pissed on.

I know but he is amazing why would they want to sell ??

His contract states that this new season he must enter the first team squad. Despite his talent they have a few players that will restrict his first team appearances and the lad wants to play, not sit in the stands every weekend.

Most importantly he plays the same position as someone called Lionel something or other.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 04, 2015, 07:08:55 PM

And reportedly chosen Stoke

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 04, 2015, 07:10:47 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 04, 2015, 07:08:55 PM

And reportedly chosen Stoke

who Traore?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on August 04, 2015, 07:11:24 PM

Because his mates are there I guess?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 04, 2015, 07:11:45 PM

According to the Spanish press via twitter

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 04, 2015, 07:12:38 PM

I'll give Mark Hughes immense credit for maintaining a strong tie to Barcelona. I'd love Bojan and Affelay at Villa

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frank black on August 04, 2015, 07:19:40 PM

These deals with Barca are a bit double edged, with them retaining 'buy back' options. If he turns out to be any good then they get him back at very much a discount price, if he doesn't then we still pay up and keep the player. Like a loan with an agree to buy, in their favour.

It's not for me and for that reason "I'm out"

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 04, 2015, 07:40:21 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 04, 2015, 07:12:38 PM

I'll give Mark Hughes immense credit for maintaining a strong tie to Barcelona. I'd love Bojan and Affelay at Villa

and Moha El Ouriachi, no?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 04, 2015, 07:41:47 PM

Quote from: villabear on August 04, 2015, 06:58:56 PM

Lazy journo"s put spin on the story

from football 365.com.  "Despite reports to the contrary, Liverpool are not interested in signing Barcelona winger Adama Traore.
Reports in Spain suggested that 19-year-old Traore would soon be flying into England for a medical at Liverpool.
However, the Liverpool Echo claims that such reports are wide of the mark. Instead, Brendan Rodgers is not interested in signing Traore, presumably believing he has enough options already in that area.
Traore could well still be coming to the Premier League, however. The Daily Mail claims that Aston Villa have entered into the race, because Tim Sherwood suddenly wants every player he can get his hands on. Stoke and Everton are also interested.
Traore has represented Spain at U16, U17 and U19 levels, making his Barcelona debut aged just 17 in 2013.

Crap lazy writing.

I thought that was a pisstake...but its actually on their website!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villabear on August 04, 2015, 07:50:04 PM

Quote from: KRS on August 04, 2015, 07:41:47 PM

Quote from: villabear on August 04, 2015, 06:58:56 PM

Lazy journo"s put spin on the story

from football 365.com.  "Despite reports to the contrary, Liverpool are not interested in signing Barcelona winger Adama Traore.
Reports in Spain suggested that 19-year-old Traore would soon be flying into England for a medical at Liverpool.
However, the Liverpool Echo claims that such reports are wide of the mark. Instead, Brendan Rodgers is not interested in signing Traore, presumably believing he has enough options already in that area.
Traore could well still be coming to the Premier League, however. The Daily Mail claims that Aston Villa have entered into the race, because Tim Sherwood suddenly wants every player he can get his hands on. Stoke and Everton are also interested.
Traore has represented Spain at U16, U17 and U19 levels, making his Barcelona debut aged just 17 in 2013.

Crap lazy writing.

I thought that was a pisstake...but its actually on their website!

I tell no lies!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pav on August 04, 2015, 07:51:14 PM

Bet 365 Is owned by stokes chairman.. So probably bitter

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 04, 2015, 08:40:37 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 04, 2015, 07:12:38 PM

I'll give Mark Hughes immense credit for maintaining a strong tie to Barcelona. I'd love Bojan and Affelay at Villa

Agreed. I also would like to thank him for taking Stephen Ireland off our hands.

Would be great if this link is true mind.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eric woolban woolban on August 04, 2015, 08:51:14 PM

An ex Stoke player thinks they could finish fourth or fifth this season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on August 04, 2015, 08:53:42 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2015, 07:04:13 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 04, 2015, 07:01:03 PM

I'm enjoying how everyone has been completely dismissive of our chances this year or on our transfer approach. I think we will surprise some people once this side starts to click. This won't be Lambert's Villa who bored the royal piss out of everyone on planet Earth.

What I will never understand about Lambert is how we went from so entertaining and, err, vibrant at times in his first season, to so unremittingly fucking rubbish in his last.

In that first season I remember Phillipe Auclair saying we played a bit like Borussia Dortmund do, and being mightily impressed.

By the final season, we were an absolute joke.

I think that is one of those questions that will only be answered when 50 years have passed and everyone involved has died and the private papers can go on open display

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Diablo on August 04, 2015, 08:56:15 PM

Quote from: eric woolban woolban on August 04, 2015, 08:51:14 PM

An ex Stoke player thinks they could finish fourth or fifth this season.

Mark Hughes is doing a grand job there by all accounts. Credit where credit is due.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 04, 2015, 08:57:17 PM

The history of Aston Villa is littered with lost opportunities. Not improving on the end of Lambert's first season when we were all quite optimistic of what might be occurring at the club is just another example. We should have bought well and build around this monster we'd unearthed called Benteke. Instead we decided to head down the path to oblivion.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 04, 2015, 08:59:03 PM

Quote from: eric woolban woolban on August 04, 2015, 08:51:14 PM

An ex Stoke player thinks they could finish fourth or fifth this season.

Did that ex Stoke player play for Pulis? Because it appears all of those headers from long punts up the field and throw ins given him brain damage.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 04, 2015, 09:03:31 PM

Quote from: Diablo on August 04, 2015, 08:56:15 PM

Quote from: eric woolban woolban on August 04, 2015, 08:51:14 PM

An ex Stoke player thinks they could finish fourth or fifth this season.

Mark Hughes is doing a grand job there by all accounts. Credit where credit is due.

He is doing well there no doubt but they are not going to finish above 7th or 8th at the very, very best.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 04, 2015, 09:08:57 PM

Quote from: pav on August 04, 2015, 07:51:14 PM

Bet 365 Is owned by stokes chairman.. So probably bitter

They are, but have nothing at all to do with Football365.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2015, 09:09:23 PM

Quote from: pav on August 04, 2015, 07:51:14 PM

Bet 365 Is owned by stokes chairman.. So probably bitter

bet365 and football365 are not connected.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pav on August 04, 2015, 09:11:35 PM

Ooops school boy error,  sorry

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on August 04, 2015, 09:24:02 PM

Quote from: Diablo on August 04, 2015, 08:56:15 PM

Quote from: eric woolban woolban on August 04, 2015, 08:51:14 PM

An ex Stoke player thinks they could finish fourth or fifth this season.

Mark Hughes is doing a grand job there by all accounts. Credit where credit is due.

We could have had him. Allegedly.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 04, 2015, 10:07:01 PM

Quote from: frank black on August 04, 2015, 07:19:40 PM

These deals with Barca are a bit double edged, with them retaining 'buy back' options. If he turns out to be any good then they get him back at very much a discount price, if he doesn't then we still pay up and keep the player. Like a loan with an agree to buy, in their favour.

It's not for me and for that reason "I'm out"

To be honest, they'd have to develop into something very special for Barcelona to be interested.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: oldtimernow on August 04, 2015, 10:13:32 PM

reminds me of a stronger version of Ashley Young.........ie doesn't fall down as easily

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aev on August 04, 2015, 10:26:21 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on August 04, 2015, 10:07:01 PM

Quote from: frank black on August 04, 2015, 07:19:40 PM

These deals with Barca are a bit double edged, with them retaining 'buy back' options. If he turns out to be any good then they get him back at very much a discount price, if he doesn't then we still pay up and keep the player. Like a loan with an agree to buy, in their favour.

It's not for me and for that reason "I'm out"

To be honest, they'd have to develop into something very special for Barcelona to be interested.

Isn't this the type of deal we have done for Gil?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Leighton on August 04, 2015, 10:50:59 PM

Quote from: fbriai on August 04, 2015, 12:54:16 PM

Sensible Soccer! How could I forget that from the list! World of Sensible Soccer with its leagues was superb!

MicroProse soccer anybody?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: adrenachrome on August 04, 2015, 10:59:50 PM

Birmingham Mail:

Quote

Aston Villa outcast Aly Cissokho is set to sign on a season-long loan for Porto, the Birmingham Mail can reveal.

The 27-year-old flew to Portugal today to finalise a move and his exit is expected to be confirmed in the next 48 hours.

Cissokho starred at Estadio do Dragao back in 2009 before he earned a big-money move to French giants Lyon.

Former boss Paul Lambert signed the left-back from Valencia in a £3.5million deal to help ease the problems in that position.

Current manager Tim Sherwood does not see him as part of his plans for the future, though, and has been keen to offload him all summer.

Cissokho still has three-and-a-half years left on his Villa deal but if his loan is successful, Porto will consider a permanent move.

The Frenchman made 25 appearances for Villa last term but has played just 90 minutes of action this pre-season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2015, 11:07:05 PM

^^^^ Good. Frankly.

Talking of rubbish left backs, where is Joe Bennett? Is he actually training with the squad?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: FatSam on August 04, 2015, 11:09:52 PM

It might have been mentioned earlier, but we are being linked to the ex-West Ham player Diamantini. I can't believe that we would be going after him, what with having Cole and Grealish performing a similar role in the squad already. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Diablo on August 04, 2015, 11:12:26 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 04, 2015, 09:03:31 PM

Quote from: Diablo on August 04, 2015, 08:56:15 PM

Quote from: eric woolban woolban on August 04, 2015, 08:51:14 PM

An ex Stoke player thinks they could finish fourth or fifth this season.

Mark Hughes is doing a grand job there by all accounts. Credit where credit is due.

He is doing well there no doubt but they are not going to finish above 7th or 8th at the very, very best.

I agree I can't see them getting 4th or 5th (7th or 8th would be a great job and improvement on their two 9th places) but if they keep getting ex Barcelona players who knows?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 04, 2015, 11:13:03 PM

Good luck to Aly. He just isn't up to the standards of a full back that can also come forward with the ball and cross. In fact he's a complete liability when he does that. That said if Porto use him as defensive full back he might do ok.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2015, 11:20:59 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 04, 2015, 11:13:03 PM

Good luck to Aly. He just isn't up to the standards of a full back that can also come forward with the ball and cross. In fact he's a complete liability when he does that. That said if Porto use him as defensive full back he might do ok.

I'm not even sure of that, to be honest, his positioning always looked somewhat iffy to me. Hope it works out for him, glad he is being moved on.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 04, 2015, 11:24:58 PM

I do hope that if the Barca kid does not come off, another player of his type is targeted before the close of the window. That player that can create from out wide with Gestede, Kozak and possibly Adebayor makes perfect sense.

I loved the quote from Wilkins about the knowledge that Sherwood has of players around the world today. Gives me a bit of comfort that finally the management team have got a clue about footballers outside of the UK.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 04, 2015, 11:31:43 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2015, 11:20:59 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 04, 2015, 11:13:03 PM

Good luck to Aly. He just isn't up to the standards of a full back that can also come forward with the ball and cross. In fact he's a complete liability when he does that. That said if Porto use him as defensive full back he might do ok.

I'm not even sure of that, to be honest, his positioning always looked somewhat iffy to me. Hope it works out for him, glad he is being moved on.

I think he'll do ok. Plus if you think about it he can't be as bad as we often saw considering the clubs he's played for. It's a pretty impressive list all considering. Even has one French cap

*shocked face*

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2015, 11:33:12 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 04, 2015, 11:31:43 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2015, 11:20:59 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 04, 2015, 11:13:03 PM

Good luck to Aly. He just isn't up to the standards of a full back that can also come forward with the ball and cross. In fact he's a complete liability when he does that. That said if Porto use him as defensive full back he might do ok.

I'm not even sure of that, to be honest, his positioning always looked somewhat iffy to me. Hope it works out for him, glad he is being moved on.

I think he'll do ok. Plus if you think about it he can't be as bad as we often saw considering the clubs he's played for. It's a pretty impressive list all considering. Even has one French cap

*shocked face*

I was surprised to see he's already spent a season at Porto.

And stil they want him back.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 05, 2015, 12:02:58 AM

Apparently we have made an approach for Alessandro Diamanti. At least according to the Metro we have.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 05, 2015, 12:17:02 AM

Ally cissoko must be the model journeyman pro. He must be made of tough stuff, turfed from one club to another .
Poor LB at PL level , poor signing, glad he's gone,

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on August 05, 2015, 01:21:10 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2015, 11:33:12 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 04, 2015, 11:31:43 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2015, 11:20:59 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 04, 2015, 11:13:03 PM

Good luck to Aly. He just isn't up to the standards of a full back that can also come forward with the ball and cross. In fact he's a complete liability when he does that. That said if Porto use him as defensive full back he might do ok.

I'm not even sure of that, to be honest, his positioning always looked somewhat iffy to me. Hope it works out for him, glad he is being moved on.

I think he'll do ok. Plus if you think about it he can't be as bad as we often saw considering the clubs he's played for. It's a pretty impressive list all considering. Even has one French cap

*shocked face*

I was surprised to see he's already spent a season at Porto.

And stil they want him back.

He was good enough there for Lyon to shell out 15 million euros. IIRC, he got talked up after a brilliant performance at Old Trafford for Porto in the CL

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 05, 2015, 01:58:16 AM

I still don't think Aly was THAT bad. Particularly when you consider what went before. Amavi looks a class above for sure though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 05, 2015, 02:29:49 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 05, 2015, 12:17:02 AM

Ally cissoko must be the model journeyman pro. He must be made of tough stuff, turfed from one club to another .
Poor LB at PL level , poor signing, glad he's gone,

Its a season-long loan, and I don't think he'll cut it over there either. He still has three years on his contract, I believe?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 05, 2015, 03:49:22 AM

Quote from: villadelph on August 05, 2015, 02:29:49 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 05, 2015, 12:17:02 AM

Ally cissoko must be the model journeyman pro. He must be made of tough stuff, turfed from one club to another .
Poor LB at PL level , poor signing, glad he's gone,

Its a season-long loan, and I don't think he'll cut it over there either. He still has three years on his contract, I believe?

He'll be doing a Delph at Porto. Do you really think he'd make their first XI? Not a chance.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 05, 2015, 06:21:46 AM

He's a bit of a donkey but I'd have played him at times last year. He certainly wouldn't have cost us two points in the QPR game like Richardson did

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 05, 2015, 06:28:19 AM

Someone might have posted this already but this Adama fella looks a bit skilful!

http://youtu.be/5-9mT_bq97w

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Proposition Joe on August 05, 2015, 06:43:23 AM

Quote from: Leighton on August 04, 2015, 10:50:59 PM

Quote from: fbriai on August 04, 2015, 12:54:16 PM

Sensible Soccer! How could I forget that from the list! World of Sensible Soccer with its leagues was superb!

MicroProse soccer anybody?

MicroProse!  They were the ones that made those fantastic flight simulators, right?  F19 Stealth, F15 Strike Eagle ...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JJ-AV on August 05, 2015, 07:19:51 AM

Re. Traore:

http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=54042.msg2885517#msg2885517

  ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 05, 2015, 07:40:29 AM

Still widely reported as being set to join Stoke. ITK only counts if the player signs. It's in the rules!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on August 05, 2015, 07:59:58 AM

If Villa do sign this kid from Barcelona B, lets home that the fans give him time to settle in.

I'd hate to see people barrack Adama

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 05, 2015, 08:13:12 AM

Quote from: UK Redsox on August 05, 2015, 07:59:58 AM

If Villa do sign this kid from Barcelona B, lets home that the fans give him time to settle in.

I'd hate to see people barrack Adama

bad, very bad. I like it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 05, 2015, 08:15:38 AM

It's encouraging that we're looking at this type of player. We do need a winger type.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ryu on August 05, 2015, 08:25:28 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 05, 2015, 07:40:29 AM

Still widely reported as being set to join Stoke. ITK only counts if the player signs. It's in the rules!

Where is it being reported?  Apart from Twitter.  I can only find the same stories from yesterday.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villasjf on August 05, 2015, 08:31:06 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2015, 11:07:05 PM

^^^^ Good. Frankly.

Talking of rubbish left backs, where is Joe Bennett? Is he actually training with the squad?

Not listed in the squad on the OS and not featured in pre season matches

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Damo70 on August 05, 2015, 08:43:41 AM

Quote from: villabear on August 04, 2015, 07:50:04 PM

Quote from: KRS on August 04, 2015, 07:41:47 PM

Quote from: villabear on August 04, 2015, 06:58:56 PM

Lazy journo"s put spin on the story

from football 365.com.  "Despite reports to the contrary, Liverpool are not interested in signing Barcelona winger Adama Traore.
Reports in Spain suggested that 19-year-old Traore would soon be flying into England for a medical at Liverpool.
However, the Liverpool Echo claims that such reports are wide of the mark. Instead, Brendan Rodgers is not interested in signing Traore, presumably believing he has enough options already in that area.
Traore could well still be coming to the Premier League, however. The Daily Mail claims that Aston Villa have entered into the race, because Tim Sherwood suddenly wants every player he can get his hands on. Stoke and Everton are also interested.
Traore has represented Spain at U16, U17 and U19 levels, making his Barcelona debut aged just 17 in 2013.

Crap lazy writing.

I thought that was a pisstake...but its actually on their website!

I tell no lies!

This would be the same Tim Sherwood who is manager of a team that has nearly been relegated every year for five years and has lost/got rid of a whole team full of players. How strange that he thought he need to strengthen the squad significantly.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 05, 2015, 09:14:14 AM

Quote from: villasjf on August 05, 2015, 08:31:06 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2015, 11:07:05 PM

^^^^ Good. Frankly.

Talking of rubbish left backs, where is Joe Bennett? Is he actually training with the squad?

Not listed in the squad on the OS and not featured in pre season matches

The squad listing on the site is unreliable, probably not been updated since his loan move. He's not played because he's been injured. From comments, it seems he's the alternative left back.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 05, 2015, 10:40:09 AM

Traore apparently had dinner with Sparky last night. is there anywhere in Stoke that you can get dinner? Anyway, a lot of chatter about Pione Sisto as being a similar, but even better player. His show reel is certainly impressive.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 05, 2015, 10:53:50 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 05, 2015, 10:40:09 AM

Traore apparently had dinner with Sparky last night. is there anywhere in Stoke that you can get dinner? Anyway, a lot of chatter about Pione Sisto as being a similar, but even better player. His show reel is certainly impressive.

Have they discovered the delights of McDonald's or KFC yet?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ryu on August 05, 2015, 10:56:49 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 05, 2015, 10:40:09 AM

Traore apparently had dinner with Sparky last night. is there anywhere in Stoke that you can get dinner? Anyway, a lot of chatter about Pione Sisto as being a similar, but even better player. His show reel is certainly impressive.

"Chatter" sounds very GCHQ. 

Anyway is the chatter just about him being a good player or us being interested?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 05, 2015, 11:14:15 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 05, 2015, 10:40:09 AM

Traore apparently had dinner with Sparky last night. is there anywhere in Stoke that you can get dinner?

Microwaved chicken thrown across the table at you by a surly Eastern European waitress at Frankie and Benny's.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 05, 2015, 11:19:06 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 05, 2015, 10:40:09 AM

Traore apparently had dinner with Sparky last night.

We need to get that word filter turned back on.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 05, 2015, 11:25:58 AM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on August 05, 2015, 10:53:50 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 05, 2015, 10:40:09 AM

Traore apparently had dinner with Sparky last night. is there anywhere in Stoke that you can get dinner? Anyway, a lot of chatter about Pione Sisto as being a similar, but even better player. His show reel is certainly impressive.

Have they discovered the delights of McDonald's or KFC yet?

Sisto certainly stands out in the Danish Supaliga, one of the key players when FCM won the league last year. (Yet another year when FCK went home empty handed😁)

I suppose, like with Traore's video, the "wow" factor needs to be tempered by allowing for the quality of the opposition.

Generally the standard of defending and especially goalkeeping is shite in the Supaliga (one of the reasons Okore stood out like a sore thumb).

Traore's playing for Barcelona's B team limits him to the Spanish 3rd division I think, which would mean Sisto has " done it" at a slightly higher level.

The timing of the Sisto rumours might be coincidental, but FCM got knocked out of CL last night.

None of the Danish media are covering it (yet)

Incidentally if we're after another "midfield dynamo" then Pierre Emile Højberg, 20 year old Dane that joined Bayern Munich as a 16 year old could be on his way out, or at least available on loan.
Very highly regarded, key player when the U-21s got to the European championship, semi-final in the summer and just broken into the senior team. Went out on loan last year to get match time, but is now further down the pecking order after they've signed Vidal.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 05, 2015, 11:35:02 AM

I really appreciate that insight as I know nothing really about football in Denmark. I guess  Youtube highlights can make anybody look a world beater, but even allowing for that, the guy looks very handy.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 05, 2015, 11:42:29 AM

Maybe it's my natural cynicism towards the Danish league (in any given year, there are only usually 3, maybe 4 teams of any quality) that makes me dubious.

That said he was definitely one of the better (or more eye-catching players) in a team that easily won the league last year.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villabear on August 05, 2015, 12:25:41 PM

This just made me laugh. An unnamed player 'disappeared' halfway through a medical at Small Heath. Lucky escape methinks.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02ytqyf

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 05, 2015, 12:29:22 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on August 05, 2015, 11:42:29 AM

Maybe it's my natural cynicism towards the Danish league (in any given year, there are only usually 3, maybe 4 teams of any quality)

Sounds familiar.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 05, 2015, 12:30:27 PM

Quote from: villabear on August 05, 2015, 12:25:41 PM

This just made me laugh. An unnamed player 'disappeared' halfway through a medical at Small Heath. Lucky escape methinks.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02ytqyf

And who says all footballers are thick?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 05, 2015, 12:31:42 PM

it can't explain the Adebayor mystery - can it?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 05, 2015, 12:33:04 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 05, 2015, 12:31:42 PM

it can't explain the Adebayor mystery - can it?

Only if they thought Adebeyor's weekly wage was his annual salary.

Title: Transfer Deals Complete?
Post by: thegreatdane on August 05, 2015, 12:56:12 PM

Is that it now do we reckon for us?

Can anyone see anyone else coming in?

If so covering where?

Im unsure... Another winger possibly?

Title: Re: Transfer Deals Complete?
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 05, 2015, 12:57:49 PM

In before the lock

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on August 05, 2015, 12:59:01 PM

Whispers on Twitter:

"traore resides at clayton wood at present. due to come to bodymoor heath for discussion."

Stoke have had a good long time to persuade him, with his mates there and Hughes working on him, their league position for the last few years etc, I think we have an uphill battle.  Maybe if Tim promises to salute him regularly...

Title: Re: Transfer Deals Complete?
Post by: Breezeblock on August 05, 2015, 01:01:03 PM

< AOL > MEEEE TOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!11111111ONEONEone

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 05, 2015, 01:03:23 PM

do we really need him? I'd rather a CF and CB

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 05, 2015, 01:06:38 PM

Quote from: chrisw1 on August 05, 2015, 12:59:01 PM

Whispers on Twitter:

"traore resides at clayton wood at present. due to come to bodymoor heath for discussion."

Stoke have had a good long time to persuade him, with his mates there and Hughes working on him, their league position for the last few years etc, I think we have an uphill battle.  Maybe if Tim promises to salute him regularly...

This is where we find out how good a facial from Tim really is.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ryu on August 05, 2015, 01:09:16 PM

If we're taking him out for dinner as well you'd think Birmingham's restaurants could at least impress him more than those of Stoke.

San Carlo is Spanish and has pictures of every footballer ever on the wall.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 05, 2015, 01:12:03 PM

Its Italian and there are plenty of good places a few miles up the road from Stoke in Cheshire.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ryu on August 05, 2015, 01:17:16 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on August 05, 2015, 01:12:03 PM

Its Italian and there are plenty of good places a few miles up the road from Stoke in Cheshire.

You're of course right about San Carlo now think about it.

Still, it wasn't a comment I expected to be taken seriously.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on August 05, 2015, 01:24:25 PM

A lot of pubs in town serve San Miguel on draft these days. There's even a tapas restaurant too. Surely he can't turn that down?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: DB on August 05, 2015, 01:28:09 PM

Estrella would be his tipple being from Barca...you can get theat everywhere too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 05, 2015, 01:33:59 PM

Quote from: Ryu on August 05, 2015, 01:17:16 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on August 05, 2015, 01:12:03 PM

Its Italian and there are plenty of good places a few miles up the road from Stoke in Cheshire.

You're of course right about San Carlo now think about it.

Still, it wasn't a comment I expected to be taken seriously.

This is serious stuff.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 05, 2015, 01:35:54 PM

I would hope he'd sample some local stuff, maybe from a micro brewery who specialise in  speciality ales with names like wizard willy and witches tit.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 05, 2015, 01:41:29 PM

Give him a balti pie.

He'll sign for us by 5pm today.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ryu on August 05, 2015, 01:57:57 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 05, 2015, 01:35:54 PM

I would hope he'd sample some local stuff, maybe from a micro brewery who specialise in  speciality ales with names like wizard willy and witches tit.

A Spanish teenage footballer from an African background is exactly the type you regularly see in the Wellington.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ryu on August 05, 2015, 02:00:00 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on August 05, 2015, 01:33:59 PM

Quote from: Ryu on August 05, 2015, 01:17:16 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on August 05, 2015, 01:12:03 PM

Its Italian and there are plenty of good places a few miles up the road from Stoke in Cheshire.

You're of course right about San Carlo now think about it.

Still, it wasn't a comment I expected to be taken seriously.

This is serious stuff.

I know.  In spite of myself I get obsessed with transfer news every window.  And now the club has gone and given me high expectations weeks before it ends. I'm doing less work than normal.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Joshua Fineman on August 05, 2015, 02:03:50 PM

I see we've missed out on Sako...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33790829 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33790829)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: walsall villain on August 05, 2015, 02:07:28 PM

Quote from: Joshua Fineman on August 05, 2015, 02:03:50 PM

I see we've missed out on Sako...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33790829 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33790829)

Good, seems another one who puts his salary first.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard on August 05, 2015, 02:10:42 PM

As an aside how many bloody strikers do palace need!?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 05, 2015, 02:35:08 PM

The Daily Mail are running a story that Stoke are favourites to sign Traore, the Daily Mail are also running a story saying Villa are favourites to sign Traore. The Daily Mail are also running a story saying Liverpool are less interested in signing him than they were but will be favourites to sign him should they change their mind.

So there you have it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 05, 2015, 02:46:17 PM

I think they're in a few minds about it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on August 05, 2015, 03:14:35 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on August 05, 2015, 02:35:08 PM

The Daily Mail are running a story that Stoke are favourites to sign Traore, the Daily Mail are also running a story saying Villa are favourites to sign Traore. The Daily Mail are also running a story saying Liverpool are less interested in signing him than they were but will be favourites to sign him should they change their mind.

So there you have it.

thats cleared that one up then

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Lsvilla on August 05, 2015, 03:18:50 PM

Quote from: Richard on August 05, 2015, 02:10:42 PM

As an aside how many bloody strikers do palace need!?

Is Sako the replacement fot Bolassie ?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 05, 2015, 03:21:07 PM

Quote from: john e on August 05, 2015, 03:14:35 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on August 05, 2015, 02:35:08 PM

The Daily Mail are running a story that Stoke are favourites to sign Traore, the Daily Mail are also running a story saying Villa are favourites to sign Traore. The Daily Mail are also running a story saying Liverpool are less interested in signing him than they were but will be favourites to sign him should they change their mind.

So there you have it.

thats cleared that one up then

So where ever he goes the Mail got it right

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 05, 2015, 03:28:26 PM

Quote from: VILLA MOLE on August 05, 2015, 03:21:07 PM

Quote from: john e on August 05, 2015, 03:14:35 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on August 05, 2015, 02:35:08 PM

The Daily Mail are running a story that Stoke are favourites to sign Traore, the Daily Mail are also running a story saying Villa are favourites to sign Traore. The Daily Mail are also running a story saying Liverpool are less interested in signing him than they were but will be favourites to sign him should they change their mind.

So there you have it.

thats cleared that one up then

So where ever he goes the Mail got it right

They are the TBAR of the newspaper world. Throw enough darts, one of them will hit the target eventually. They can then claim an exclusive.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: AV82EC on August 05, 2015, 04:15:34 PM

Just heard a discussion on Talksport (I know I know) with Tim Vickery the well respected journo who covers South American football and we've apparently been linked with Eder Balanta of River plate a well thought of young Colombian defender. Anybody else heard anything as I've not seen this mentioned anywhere else?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 05, 2015, 04:17:32 PM

heard that very highly rated and in the last year of his contract

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Lyewho??? on August 05, 2015, 04:21:05 PM

Just heard that we maybe sniffing around Balanta, a LCB from River Plate, mentioned on Talksport with the correspondent from the south american leagues, forgot his name. Looks strong and quick!!! Maybe now they have tied Clark down to a contract he will get another in that has potential but at the same time he can give Clark the chance of improving and making the position his own. I would love to see Ade, Toure and another such as Balanta in. This would really top off a great summer of signings. Hope it all gels together. #NewSeasonNewBeginning

Cheers Lyeho??? Bring on the fantasy league also.....

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: AV82EC on August 05, 2015, 04:21:17 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 05, 2015, 04:17:32 PM

heard that very highly rated and in the last year of his contract

However apparently injury prone!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Lyewho??? on August 05, 2015, 04:22:14 PM

Quote from: AV82EC on August 05, 2015, 04:15:34 PM

Just heard a discussion on Talksport (I know I know) with Tim Vickery the well respected journo who covers South American football and we've apparently been linked with Eder Balanta of River plate a well thought of young Colombian defender. Anybody else heard anything as I've not seen this mentioned anywhere else?

Just heard that we maybe sniffing around Balanta, a LCB from River Plate, mentioned on Talksport with the correspondent from the south american leagues, forgot his name. Looks strong and quick!!! Maybe now they have tied Clark down to a contract he will get another in that has potential but at the same time he can give Clark the chance of improving and making the position his own. I would love to see Ade, Toure and another such as Balanta in. This would really top off a great summer of signings. Hope it all gels together. #NewSeasonNewBeginning

Cheers Lyewho??? Bring on the fantasy league also.....


SNAP;)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 05, 2015, 04:22:40 PM

Quote from: AV82EC on August 05, 2015, 04:15:34 PM

Just heard a discussion on Talksport (I know I know) with Tim Vickery the well respected journo who covers South American football and we've apparently been linked with Eder Balanta of River plate a well thought of young Colombian defender. Anybody else heard anything as I've not seen this mentioned anywhere else?

#topbalantz

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 05, 2015, 04:28:36 PM

and Tim could ask Carlos about Eder :) as both are Colombian :)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 05, 2015, 04:36:16 PM

Balanta was linked with Barcelona a couple of years ago. Think he got injured and lost his place in the team. Would be another encouraging signing!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dr Butler on August 05, 2015, 04:38:22 PM

did someone mention Leroy Fer a couple of pages ago ?  well he has failed his medical at Sunderland and is returning to QPR.

UTV
The Doc

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 05, 2015, 04:52:52 PM

Quote from: Dr Butler on August 05, 2015, 04:38:22 PM

did someone mention Leroy Fer a couple of pages ago ?  well he has failed his medical at Sunderland and is returning to QPR.

UTV
The Doc

think they'll land Januzaj on loan?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 05, 2015, 05:04:18 PM

Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 05, 2015, 04:36:16 PM

Balanta was linked with Barcelona a couple of years ago. Think he got injured and lost his place in the team. Would be another encouraging signing!

and Manure

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 05, 2015, 05:58:44 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 05, 2015, 04:22:40 PM

Quote from: AV82EC on August 05, 2015, 04:15:34 PM

Just heard a discussion on Talksport (I know I know) with Tim Vickery the well respected journo who covers South American football and we've apparently been linked with Eder Balanta of River plate a well thought of young Colombian defender. Anybody else heard anything as I've not seen this mentioned anywhere else?

#topbalantz

Another football manager favourite of mine... I think Tim spent a long time playing while out of work.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: N'Zimidy on August 05, 2015, 06:03:30 PM

Balanta is the best centre half on FM2015.

The Sky Sports Transfer Centre boffins will be jizzing themselves getting his 'heading' and 'jumping' stats up.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Hairbandinho on August 05, 2015, 06:15:34 PM

Cissokho has joined Porto on loan for the season

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 05, 2015, 06:20:54 PM

Quote from: Hairbandinho on August 05, 2015, 06:15:34 PM

Cissokho has joined Porto on loan for the season

Be interesting to know how much of his wages Porto are paying. Hopefully all of it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ryu on August 05, 2015, 06:35:20 PM

I managed to get balanta for 5m for Villa on FM. He was great. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aev on August 05, 2015, 06:36:40 PM

Whispers has gone subscription only so I have no idea what the latest is?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 05, 2015, 06:50:54 PM

announcement on Traore soon, Adebayor having second thoughts, and that Traore wasn't dining with Hughes last night, because he (Hughes) was in London

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aev on August 05, 2015, 06:54:21 PM

Maybe Hughes had to go to London to find somewhere decent to eat?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 05, 2015, 06:56:30 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 05, 2015, 06:50:54 PM

announcement on Traore soon, Adebayor having second thoughts, and that Traore wasn't dining with Hughes last night, because he (Hughes) was in London

I have him followed and cant see any of that?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on August 05, 2015, 07:03:25 PM

Whispers is full of shit, the amount of tweets he's deleted is embarrassing. He's been found out for the fraud he is and now gone in hiding.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 05, 2015, 07:07:33 PM

Adebayor if it's true can fuck off, not the sort of billy big bollocks attitude we need next season. All in it together and all that. Move on, let's target someone permanent.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 05, 2015, 07:37:18 PM

I was just anticipating what Whispers might have said in plain english

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 05, 2015, 07:51:16 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 05, 2015, 05:58:44 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 05, 2015, 04:22:40 PM

Quote from: AV82EC on August 05, 2015, 04:15:34 PM

Just heard a discussion on Talksport (I know I know) with Tim Vickery the well respected journo who covers South American football and we've apparently been linked with Eder Balanta of River plate a well thought of young Colombian defender. Anybody else heard anything as I've not seen this mentioned anywhere else?

#topbalantz

Another football manager favourite of mine... I think Tim spent a long time playing while out of work.

The cornerstone of my triple European Cup success.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr avfc on August 06, 2015, 12:02:23 AM

adebayor dosent deserve to even play in the premier league yet play for villa. Looks like we are considering signing diamanti the italian attacker who is 32.

we are still in desperate need for a quality centre back i am not too sure our back line has the stability to endure a full season

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr avfc on August 06, 2015, 12:04:44 AM

backary sakho has joined crystal palace

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 06, 2015, 08:14:49 AM

I don't know if the adebayor deal is really off. But if it is we could do with some genuine proven quality in attack. The only other options I've thought of are batshuayi or austin. Not sure we could get the former or that the latter is suited to us. We've got the numbers up front but I want more quality

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 06, 2015, 08:22:16 AM

I've always thought the Adebeyor deal would be a last minute deal, when spurs and/or adebayor reduce their demands.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villasjf on August 06, 2015, 10:19:36 AM

Quote from: UK Redsox on August 03, 2015, 11:23:45 AM

Quote from: asgpaul on August 03, 2015, 10:27:08 AM

Have we allocated squad numbers yet?  I can't see any reference to them. 

I'm a bit of a traditionalist when assigning players a shirt number.  Just wondering whether Tim has that No 4 shirt 'reserved' for anyone in particular?  I'm still holding out for 9 being reserved for Austin (tho' highly unlikely now) failing that would prefer Gestede wearing it, I know Sinclair had it last season, but Sinclair really isn't a No 9!   

SirClive has been wearing 9 in pre-season. I agree that it doesn't seem to fit.

I didn't notice who has worn 10. If no one has, maybe its been allocated to Jack.

Gueye has been wearing 8, I think

Amavi has been wearing 3, so Bennett has lost his number (no surprise there)

Has Micah been wearing 4 ?

Squad numbers are now on the OS Bennett keeps 3 Herd not given a number and no number 10

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on August 06, 2015, 10:22:37 AM

With Aly out on loan, I suppose that means Bennett stays as a reserve left-back (albeit I expect that Rico will be second choice to Jordan the First).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 06, 2015, 10:28:30 AM

No 10 or 20. Hopefully two new signings 😁

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: itbrvilla on August 06, 2015, 10:28:30 AM

Quote from: UK Redsox on August 06, 2015, 10:22:37 AM

With Aly out on loan, I suppose that means Bennett stays as a reserve left-back (albeit I expect that Rico will be second choice to Jordan the First).

Can we call the Jordan I, II and III?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PGW on August 06, 2015, 10:30:59 AM

Quote from: villasjf on August 06, 2015, 10:19:36 AM

Quote from: UK Redsox on August 03, 2015, 11:23:45 AM

Quote from: asgpaul on August 03, 2015, 10:27:08 AM

Have we allocated squad numbers yet?  I can't see any reference to them. 

I'm a bit of a traditionalist when assigning players a shirt number.  Just wondering whether Tim has that No 4 shirt 'reserved' for anyone in particular?  I'm still holding out for 9 being reserved for Austin (tho' highly unlikely now) failing that would prefer Gestede wearing it, I know Sinclair had it last season, but Sinclair really isn't a No 9!   

SirClive has been wearing 9 in pre-season. I agree that it doesn't seem to fit.

I didn't notice who has worn 10. If no one has, maybe its been allocated to Jack.

Gueye has been wearing 8, I think

Amavi has been wearing 3, so Bennett has lost his number (no surprise there)

Has Micah been wearing 4 ?

Squad numbers are now on the OS Bennett keeps 3 Herd not given a number and no number 10

Herd has left the club...he was offered a 3 month contract  but refused it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villasjf on August 06, 2015, 10:36:25 AM

Thanks I had missed that re Herd I know Timmy wanted to keep him until he was fit so he could assess hime.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 06, 2015, 10:55:28 AM

Quote from: Lyewho??? on August 05, 2015, 04:21:05 PM

Just heard that we maybe sniffing around Balanta, a LCB from River Plate

Hopefully Tim has a good nose for a player then :-)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 06, 2015, 11:53:13 AM

Quote from: Newby on August 06, 2015, 10:28:30 AM

No 10 or 20. Hopefully two new signings 😁

I think we've kept number 20 available for the inevitable return of Benteke, or we've decided to retire his number and it will be raised in front of the Holte at the Man U game. As for number 10, it can only be for the appointment later in the season of our player manager Diego Armando Maradona.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 06, 2015, 12:10:02 PM

Paul Lambert is scouting for us to fill the number 10 jersey as he likes to call it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on August 06, 2015, 12:53:07 PM

Russian Press has linked us with Salomon Rondon. Unable to send a link due to internet security at work.   

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 06, 2015, 12:57:04 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on August 06, 2015, 12:53:07 PM

Russian Press has linked us with Salomon Rondon. Unable to send a link due to internet security at work.   

Saw him briefly in the Copa America for Venezuela; big striker. If we are in for him, maybe that would mean that the Adebayor saga is over.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ryu on August 06, 2015, 01:01:28 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on August 06, 2015, 12:57:04 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on August 06, 2015, 12:53:07 PM

Russian Press has linked us with Salomon Rondon. Unable to send a link due to internet security at work.   

Saw him briefly in the Copa America for Venezuela; big striker. If we are in for him, maybe that would mean that the Adebayor saga is over.

If we're really after him and Balanta Tim has definitely been playing Football Manager.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on August 06, 2015, 01:09:45 PM

Quote from: Ryu on August 06, 2015, 01:01:28 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on August 06, 2015, 12:57:04 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on August 06, 2015, 12:53:07 PM

Russian Press has linked us with Salomon Rondon. Unable to send a link due to internet security at work.   

Saw him briefly in the Copa America for Venezuela; big striker. If we are in for him, maybe that would mean that the Adebayor saga is over.

If we're really after him and Balanta Tim has definitely been playing Football Manager.

I saw on twitter yesterday that the Balanta link started from a fake Villa Transfer account that Talksport managed to get hold of.
Some people have got too much time on their hands.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 06, 2015, 01:18:34 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on August 06, 2015, 12:53:07 PM

Russian Press has linked us with Salomon Rondon. Unable to send a link due to internet security at work.

Isn't that the bloke the Iranians hate? No wonder your internet security got a fright.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve R on August 06, 2015, 01:36:22 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on August 06, 2015, 12:53:07 PM

Russian Press has linked us with Salomon Rondon. Unable to send a link due to internet security at work.

Signed on Monday
Injured on Tuesday
Bomb Squad on Wednesday....

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: berneboy on August 06, 2015, 02:18:56 PM

Daily Mail now has us in for Aaron Lennon at £5 and going back to Albion for Lescott at £2m.

I'd be happy about both if they actually happen. They also say Adebayor deal has fallen through.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: itbrvilla on August 06, 2015, 02:33:26 PM

Quote from: berneboy on August 06, 2015, 02:18:56 PM

Daily Mail now has us in for Aaron Lennon at £5 and going back to Albion for Lescott at £2m.

I'd be happy about both if they actually happen. They also say Adebayor deal has fallen through.

Lennon for £5M?!?!?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 06, 2015, 02:37:30 PM

Really hope we don't go for Lennon or Lescott. Players well past their best, especially Lescott.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 06, 2015, 02:50:07 PM

agreed and Adebayor can go and fuck himself if he doesn't want to move to Birmingham, twat. didn't he realise where he was being asked to work from??

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 06, 2015, 02:52:00 PM

Well they would be two underwhelming signings at the end of good business wouldn't they? Lennon in particular has been in and out of teams for years hasn't he?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 06, 2015, 02:52:45 PM

Quote from: itbrvilla on August 06, 2015, 02:33:26 PM

Quote from: berneboy on August 06, 2015, 02:18:56 PM

Daily Mail now has us in for Aaron Lennon at £5 and going back to Albion for Lescott at £2m.

I'd be happy about both if they actually happen. They also say Adebayor deal has fallen through.

Lennon for £5M?!?!?

It says £5, which still seems too much for somebody who runs like a girl.*

*not sexist

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: AVFC13 on August 06, 2015, 02:57:55 PM

Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 06, 2015, 02:52:45 PM

Quote from: itbrvilla on August 06, 2015, 02:33:26 PM

Quote from: berneboy on August 06, 2015, 02:18:56 PM

Daily Mail now has us in for Aaron Lennon at £5 and going back to Albion for Lescott at £2m.

I'd be happy about both if they actually happen. They also say Adebayor deal has fallen through.

Lennon for £5M?!?!?

It says £5, which still seems too much for somebody who runs like a girl.*

*not sexist

you owe me a cup of tea and a new shirt. Was laughing at this spat my tea out and ruined my shirt.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on August 06, 2015, 02:58:29 PM

I'd have Lennon. £5M would seem fair. Lescott woukd be worth a punt too, although if he can't do well in a Tony Pulis team that might be a worry.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 06, 2015, 03:16:14 PM

Quote from: AVFC13 on August 06, 2015, 02:57:55 PM

Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 06, 2015, 02:52:45 PM

Quote from: itbrvilla on August 06, 2015, 02:33:26 PM

Quote from: berneboy on August 06, 2015, 02:18:56 PM

Daily Mail now has us in for Aaron Lennon at £5 and going back to Albion for Lescott at £2m.

I'd be happy about both if they actually happen. They also say Adebayor deal has fallen through.

Lennon for £5M?!?!?

It says £5, which still seems too much for somebody who runs like a girl.*

*not sexist

you owe me a cup of tea and a new shirt. Was laughing at this spat my tea out and ruined my shirt.

Stick it on a boil wash!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 06, 2015, 03:26:29 PM

Quote from: Stirchley Villain on August 06, 2015, 02:58:29 PM

I'd have Lennon. £5M would seem fair. Lescott woukd be worth a punt too, although if he can't do well in a Tony Pulis team that might be a worry.

What do you see in Lennon that makes you think he'd be worth buying?  Personally I think he's absolutely shit and wouldn't get into a championship side let alone the premier league if he wasn't so quick.  He's the definition of everything that's wrong with coaching in England as far as I'm concerned.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Jockey Randall on August 06, 2015, 03:31:55 PM

Quote from: Stirchley Villain on August 06, 2015, 02:58:29 PM

I'd have Lennon. £5M would seem fair. Lescott woukd be worth a punt too, although if he can't do well in a Tony Pulis team that might be a worry.

Agreed. Lescott would be a good back up centre half and add extra experience back there. While I agree with others that Lennon is no world beater he has a decent amount of goals/assists at Premier League level and is still only 28. He could help the cause in the climb back to mid table.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on August 06, 2015, 03:46:16 PM

Quote from: paul_e on August 06, 2015, 03:26:29 PM

Quote from: Stirchley Villain on August 06, 2015, 02:58:29 PM

I'd have Lennon. £5M would seem fair. Lescott woukd be worth a punt too, although if he can't do well in a Tony Pulis team that might be a worry.

What do you see in Lennon that makes you think he'd be worth buying?  Personally I think he's absolutely shit and wouldn't get into a championship side let alone the premier league if he wasn't so quick.  He's the definition of everything that's wrong with coaching in England as far as I'm concerned.

Strange you mention coaching..? So you're saying if he was coached properly he'd be good enough?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 06, 2015, 03:46:58 PM

Lescott. Could form a good partnership with Richards. Worth a punt but can't see Baggies selling.
Lennon. Avoid.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: garyshawsknee on August 06, 2015, 03:51:27 PM

Lennon didn't do much at Everton last season. I'd avoid, all speed no end product, as much luck with crosses than Jesus.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 06, 2015, 04:01:45 PM

Quote from: Stirchley Villain on August 06, 2015, 03:46:16 PM

Quote from: paul_e on August 06, 2015, 03:26:29 PM

Quote from: Stirchley Villain on August 06, 2015, 02:58:29 PM

I'd have Lennon. £5M would seem fair. Lescott woukd be worth a punt too, although if he can't do well in a Tony Pulis team that might be a worry.

What do you see in Lennon that makes you think he'd be worth buying?  Personally I think he's absolutely shit and wouldn't get into a championship side let alone the premier league if he wasn't so quick.  He's the definition of everything that's wrong with coaching in England as far as I'm concerned.

Strange you mention coaching..? So you're saying if he was coached properly he'd be good enough?

Nope, too late for him, it's when players with that pace are 16-17 that a good coach needs to get hold of them and make them work on more than just running into space behind a fullback.  Yes that can be effective but only if you have end product and his just isn't good enough.  yes he scores a few goals and gets a few assists but in real terms he's about on a par with Gabby, who loads on this site want rid of.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt C on August 06, 2015, 04:02:55 PM

If we're going to get Lescott it will need him to force the issue I'd imagine. Be a useful bit of extra experience though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2015, 04:05:10 PM

It seems to me that we've got our main players in place and what we need now is squad cover. I'd be happy to wait a couple of weeks to see how things are panning out and who isn't getting a game elsewhere before adding the finishing touches.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 06, 2015, 04:08:38 PM

I've always quite liked Lennon, but then I like ridiculously fast players.

I'd be wary more because he often seems to be injured.

*no stats to back that up*

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 06, 2015, 04:11:57 PM

Quote from: garyshawsknee on August 06, 2015, 03:51:27 PM

Lennon didn't do much at Everton last season. I'd avoid, all speed no end product, as much luck with crosses than Jesus.

Absolutely.

Speaking of wingers, any more news on the lad from Barca B?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 06, 2015, 04:12:03 PM

I like players with pace, but only if they're good players regardless, compare than Traore kid with Lennon and you see the difference.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on August 06, 2015, 04:27:03 PM

Quote from: paul_e on August 06, 2015, 04:01:45 PM

Quote from: Stirchley Villain on August 06, 2015, 03:46:16 PM

Quote from: paul_e on August 06, 2015, 03:26:29 PM

Quote from: Stirchley Villain on August 06, 2015, 02:58:29 PM

I'd have Lennon. £5M would seem fair. Lescott woukd be worth a punt too, although if he can't do well in a Tony Pulis team that might be a worry.

What do you see in Lennon that makes you think he'd be worth buying?  Personally I think he's absolutely shit and wouldn't get into a championship side let alone the premier league if he wasn't so quick.  He's the definition of everything that's wrong with coaching in England as far as I'm concerned.

Strange you mention coaching..? So you're saying if he was coached properly he'd be good enough?

Nope, too late for him, it's when players with that pace are 16-17 that a good coach needs to get hold of them and make them work on more than just running into space behind a fullback.  Yes that can be effective but only if you have end product and his just isn't good enough.  yes he scores a few goals and gets a few assists but in real terms he's about on a par with Gabby, who loads on this site want rid of.

its a long time before they are 16/17 that it needs to be coached, too late by then. Kids start picking up technique at 6 or 7, late developers can pick up the technique at 11/12. Much after that and you're already too late

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 06, 2015, 04:30:44 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2015, 04:05:10 PM

It seems to me that we've got our main players in place and what we need now is squad cover. I'd be happy to wait a couple of weeks to see how things are panning out and who isn't getting a game elsewhere before adding the finishing touches.

yes agree. Naturally defence is a bit of a concern, but let's see how Richards/Clark play as a partnership, and how Crespo does. We are pretty secure on Amavi it appears. I think there's now a good opportunity to see what happens, get rid of one or two, and add a couple of quality players as the situation changes or need arises. I think on the whole we've handled this transfer window really well all considering.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: oldtimernow on August 06, 2015, 04:38:22 PM

Quote from: ClaretAndBlueBlood on August 06, 2015, 04:27:03 PM

Quote from: paul_e on August 06, 2015, 04:01:45 PM

Quote from: Stirchley Villain on August 06, 2015, 03:46:16 PM

Quote from: paul_e on August 06, 2015, 03:26:29 PM

Quote from: Stirchley Villain on August 06, 2015, 02:58:29 PM

I'd have Lennon. £5M would seem fair. Lescott woukd be worth a punt too, although if he can't do well in a Tony Pulis team that might be a worry.

What do you see in Lennon that makes you think he'd be worth buying?  Personally I think he's absolutely shit and wouldn't get into a championship side let alone the premier league if he wasn't so quick.  He's the definition of everything that's wrong with coaching in England as far as I'm concerned.

Strange you mention coaching..? So you're saying if he was coached properly he'd be good enough?

Nope, too late for him, it's when players with that pace are 16-17 that a good coach needs to get hold of them and make them work on more than just running into space behind a fullback.  Yes that can be effective but only if you have end product and his just isn't good enough.  yes he scores a few goals and gets a few assists but in real terms he's about on a par with Gabby, who loads on this site want rid of.

its a long time before they are 16/17 that it needs to be coached, too late by then. Kids start picking up technique at 6 or 7, late developers can pick up the technique at 11/12. Much after that and you're already too late

apparently Adama is very willing to take onboard advice etc........hope we have somebody who can give good advice then if this was to progress

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 06, 2015, 04:53:59 PM

I like the way we appear to have 2-3 options in each area of the pitch now, but am a bit nervous about our lack of experience.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave Cooper please on August 06, 2015, 05:04:12 PM

Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 06, 2015, 04:11:57 PM

Speaking of wingers, any more news on the lad from Barca B?

*consults Twitter*

No, apart from Julie Bayley tweeting every link ever...so no.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on August 06, 2015, 05:13:19 PM

Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 06, 2015, 04:11:57 PM

Quote from: garyshawsknee on August 06, 2015, 03:51:27 PM

Lennon didn't do much at Everton last season. I'd avoid, all speed no end product, as much luck with crosses than Jesus.

Absolutely.

Speaking of wingers, any more news on the lad from Barca B?

Daily Mail reckons we're not prepared to pay the £12 million fee.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 06, 2015, 05:15:45 PM

Hmmm. So all gone very quiet

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 06, 2015, 05:19:24 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 06, 2015, 04:30:44 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2015, 04:05:10 PM

It seems to me that we've got our main players in place and what we need now is squad cover. I'd be happy to wait a couple of weeks to see how things are panning out and who isn't getting a game elsewhere before adding the finishing touches.

yes agree. Naturally defence is a bit of a concern, but let's see how Richards/Clark play as a partnership, and how Crespo does. We are pretty secure on Amavi it appears. I think there's now a good opportunity to see what happens, get rid of one or two, and add a couple of quality players as the situation changes or need arises. I think on the whole we've handled this transfer window really well all considering.

I think I'd like another striker in.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 06, 2015, 05:20:55 PM

I'm worried where our goals are coming from.

We've lost our only proven source of goals and not replaced him.

Whatever the option after Adebayor was, I hope we are working on him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 06, 2015, 05:24:47 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on August 06, 2015, 04:53:59 PM

I like the way we appear to have 2-3 options in each area of the pitch now, but am a bit nervous about our lack of experience.

I would not be surprised if this is slightly by design as it means Sherwood's personality and Alpha Male status will not be compromised.
This is potentially a good thing because the younger players could really buy into his enthusiasm, whereas some older Collins/Dunne type characters would - rightly - question his boundless enthusiasm.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 06, 2015, 05:27:30 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 06, 2015, 05:15:45 PM

Hmmm. So all gone very quiet

After last week's mad transfer frenzy, i'm not surprised.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 06, 2015, 05:33:21 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 06, 2015, 05:20:55 PM

I'm worried where our goals are coming from.

We've lost our only proven source of goals and not replaced him.

Whatever the option after Adebayor was, I hope we are working on him.

Come on PW, surely we've seen enough in this window from Tim to suggest he's on it. I'm fully confident we'll get another good striker in.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 06, 2015, 05:34:38 PM

As Randolph Scott used to say "its too quiet out there" two seconds before Gabby Hayes got an arrow in his chest.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 06, 2015, 05:35:00 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 06, 2015, 05:20:55 PM

I'm worried where our goals are coming from.

We've lost our only proven source of goals and not replaced him.

Whatever the option after Adebayor was, I hope we are working on him.

I'm with you on this. Gestede, Ayew and Gabby potentially could be worse than Weimann, Benteke and Gabby. It's a really big risk to go in to the season as it is.

I think we've improved the midfield a little with Gueye and Veretout over Delph and Cleverley and the defence a bit with Amavi and Richards over Vlaar and the collection of leftbacks we've tried but with all the Premier league inexperience in the team I see us as being a couple of players short of being comfortable.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 06, 2015, 05:42:26 PM

I agree on the goalscorer front.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 06, 2015, 05:49:33 PM

Ayew I think will be a big upgrade on weimann

But we're very short on replacing benteke unless one of these two lumpur forwards massively surpassed expectations. Given their ages that seems highly unlikely.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 06, 2015, 06:01:20 PM

Quote from: Clampy on August 06, 2015, 05:27:30 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 06, 2015, 05:15:45 PM

Hmmm. So all gone very quiet

After last week's mad transfer frenzy, i'm not surprised.

I'm not surprised either . Probably for different reasons .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: bertlambshank on August 06, 2015, 06:22:04 PM

Cardboard Ron will sign.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 06, 2015, 06:42:00 PM

just in time for the run-in?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SamTheMouse on August 06, 2015, 07:00:07 PM

I'm guessing someone has already mentioned this, but I've just got an email update from the OS with the squad numbers, and there quite conspicuously doesn't seem to be a n°10...

Am I reading too much into that?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pav on August 06, 2015, 07:07:48 PM

Your reading exactly same as me.... And Im a big kid... At 41...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 06, 2015, 07:21:01 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 06, 2015, 06:01:20 PM

Quote from: Clampy on August 06, 2015, 05:27:30 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 06, 2015, 05:15:45 PM

Hmmm. So all gone very quiet

After last week's mad transfer frenzy, i'm not surprised.

I'm not surprised either . Probably for different reasons .

Negative one's no doubt.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdward on August 06, 2015, 07:36:54 PM

Balotelli is still available, I would love us to take a gamble on him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 06, 2015, 07:41:16 PM

If we only bring in one more player for me, it has to be a quality centre back, two players a right back, three players another goal scorer.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: gervilla on August 06, 2015, 07:44:46 PM

Quote from: cdward on August 06, 2015, 07:36:54 PM

Balotelli is still available, I would love us to take a gamble on him.

I wouldn't. Hell no.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 06, 2015, 07:53:11 PM

Ballotelli would be like Marlon Harewood without the laughs.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on August 06, 2015, 08:03:13 PM

Quote from: cdward on August 06, 2015, 07:36:54 PM

Balotelli is still available, I would love us to take a gamble on him.

We are not in a position to be gambling. We should forget about Ade as well and just get in Rondón, he bangs them in for fun.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on August 06, 2015, 08:12:37 PM

Quote from: gervilla on August 06, 2015, 07:44:46 PM

Quote from: cdward on August 06, 2015, 07:36:54 PM

Balotelli is still available, I would love us to take a gamble on him.

I wouldn't. Hell no.

Everyone is right to warn against Balotelli, he would be a massive and expensive gamble
Which could cost us big time

However I would still love it

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villabear on August 06, 2015, 08:25:02 PM

Quote from: john e on August 06, 2015, 08:12:37 PM

Quote from: gervilla on August 06, 2015, 07:44:46 PM

Quote from: cdward on August 06, 2015, 07:36:54 PM

Balotelli is still available, I would love us to take a gamble on him.

I wouldn't. Hell no.

Everyone is right to warn against Balotelli, he would be a massive and expensive gamble
Which could cost us big time

However I would still love it

That's made me laugh. Thing is every manager who signs him thinks they'll be able to tame him.

I did see an interview with him an Noel Gallegher (I know) from when he was at Man City. He didn't come over as arrogant but a really nice kid. Maybe he just needs to keep up the image.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 06, 2015, 08:33:03 PM

Quote from: berneboy on August 06, 2015, 02:18:56 PM

Daily Mail now has us in for Aaron Lennon at £5 and going back to Albion for Lescott at £2m.

I'd be happy about both if they actually happen. They also say Adebayor deal has fallen through.

Ha got the same contact as me then.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 06, 2015, 08:35:12 PM

Quote from: cdward on August 06, 2015, 07:36:54 PM

Balotelli is still available, I would love us to take a gamble on him.

I struggle to think of a striker currently playing at a high level who I think would be a worse recruit than Balotelli.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: AVFC13 on August 06, 2015, 08:38:45 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 06, 2015, 08:35:12 PM

Quote from: cdward on August 06, 2015, 07:36:54 PM

Balotelli is still available, I would love us to take a gamble on him.

I struggle to think of a striker currently playing at a high level who I think would be a worse recruit than Balotelli.

This.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 06, 2015, 08:39:11 PM

It would at least be interesting and it could be fantastic.

However, that's only on the same basis that the lunatic £1 accumulator I put on each weekend could make me £1,000.

It never does though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Pete3206 on August 06, 2015, 08:56:29 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 06, 2015, 08:35:12 PM

Quote from: cdward on August 06, 2015, 07:36:54 PM

Balotelli is still available, I would love us to take a gamble on him.

I struggle to think of a striker currently playing at a high level who I think would be a worse recruit than Balotelli.

Danny Graham wouldn't put many bums on seats

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 06, 2015, 09:01:31 PM

We still need a RB, DCM, winger and a proven PL striker .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on August 06, 2015, 09:07:23 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 06, 2015, 09:01:31 PM

We still need a RB, DCM, winger and a proven PL striker .

Unless you're thinking Charlie Austin, I don't know who else there is available in the latter category.

Yes, an upgrade at right back over McCafu and Bacuna would be nice but I don't think that's a priority.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Smirker on August 06, 2015, 09:08:54 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 06, 2015, 08:35:12 PM

Quote from: cdward on August 06, 2015, 07:36:54 PM

Balotelli is still available, I would love us to take a gamble on him.

I struggle to think of a striker currently playing at a high level who I think would be a worse recruit than Balotelli.

I have honestly never got the fuss over him. He has had some good moments but then so have most players.

He has never scored 20 goals in a season across all competitions so he isn't exactly prolific. He isn't particularly quick nor is he that good in the air, he rarely scores spectacular goals, he lacks professionalism and is a disaster waiting to happen.

Pretty much the only thing he excels at is rolling the odd penalty in.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 06, 2015, 09:13:41 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on August 06, 2015, 09:07:23 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 06, 2015, 09:01:31 PM

We still need a RB, DCM, winger and a proven PL striker .

Unless you're thinking Charlie Austin, I don't know who else there is available in the latter category.

Yes, an upgrade at right back over McCafu and Bacuna would be nice but I don't think that's a priority.

It's not THE priority I agree. Replacing Benteke is the priority. Followed for me by a big classy DCM and then a winger and finally a RB.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 06, 2015, 09:14:55 PM

Really? He's as mad as a box of frogs but an immense talent, thats why so many big clubs have been so patient with him.

His next move will be downward mind, I think he will do well at his next club, it wont be us though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt C on August 06, 2015, 09:15:49 PM

Can only see a right back arriving if Hutton leaves.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Smirker on August 06, 2015, 09:24:10 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on August 06, 2015, 09:14:55 PM

Really? He's as mad as a box of frogs but an immense talent, thats why so many big clubs have been so patient with him.

His next move will be downward mind, I think he will do well at his next club, it wont be us though.

He is 24 and scored one league goal all season.

There comes a point when players are no longer hot prospects and you have to stop making excuses for them.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2015, 09:36:27 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 06, 2015, 09:13:41 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on August 06, 2015, 09:07:23 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 06, 2015, 09:01:31 PM

We still need a RB, DCM, winger and a proven PL striker .

Unless you're thinking Charlie Austin, I don't know who else there is available in the latter category.

Yes, an upgrade at right back over McCafu and Bacuna would be nice but I don't think that's a priority.

It's not THE priority I agree. Replacing Benteke is the priority. Followed for me by a big classy DCM and then a winger and finally a RB.

We've already signed two strikers, so Benteke has been replaced.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Damo70 on August 06, 2015, 09:39:13 PM

I can see why Liverpool took a gamble on Balotelli but it didn't work and he will now either make a series of downward moves all of which won't work out or he will be a huge success somewhere. I suspect it will be the the former and even if it is the latter it will soon go tits up. He is the new Anelka.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 06, 2015, 09:41:38 PM

He's not Anelka. Anelka was actually excellent at a few of his clubs.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on August 06, 2015, 09:47:30 PM

Quote from: Damo70 on August 06, 2015, 09:39:13 PM

I can see why Liverpool took a gamble on Balotelli but it didn't work and he will now either make a series of downward moves all of which won't work out or he will be a huge success somewhere. I suspect it will be the the former and even if it is the latter it will soon go tits up. He is the new Anelka.

At £16m, Liverpool didn't take a gamble: it was hope over expectation. Balotelli is permanently damaged goods. Steer well clear.

As Brian G said above, the critical purchase is a seasoned and reliable CB.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 06, 2015, 09:50:29 PM

I'd imagine the process of signing Balotelli would be like the first time you go to a prostitute...you think its a good idea at the time, it looks like a tasty prospect, you think you're in for the ride of your life...but you soon find out that it's shit, overrated, it cost you a small fortune, and you end up regretting it afterwards.

Disclaimer: I've never been to a prostitute and I'm sure there may well be higher standard of prostitute that will perform to a better level than the overpriced Balotelli level prostitute.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 06, 2015, 09:52:29 PM

Quote from: Mister E on August 06, 2015, 09:47:30 PM

Quote from: Damo70 on August 06, 2015, 09:39:13 PM

I can see why Liverpool took a gamble on Balotelli but it didn't work and he will now either make a series of downward moves all of which won't work out or he will be a huge success somewhere. I suspect it will be the the former and even if it is the latter it will soon go tits up. He is the new Anelka.

At £16m, Liverpool didn't take a gamble: it was hope over expectation. Balotelli is permanently damaged goods. Steer well clear.

As Brian G said above, the critical purchase is a seasoned and reliable CB.

Lescott?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 06, 2015, 09:54:14 PM

Smethwick won't sell lescott to us on the eve of the new season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 06, 2015, 10:20:26 PM

What a load of bollocks this 'we must replace Benteke crap' is. Benteke was Benteke and he's gone. As good as he was, he was still part of a side that finished 17th. It shouldn't be too hard to rebuild a team and make it good enough to be a mid-table (for now) side.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 06, 2015, 10:22:47 PM

Quote from: OCD on August 06, 2015, 10:20:26 PM

What a load of bollocks this 'we must replace Benteke crap' is. Benteke was Benteke and he's gone. As good as he was, he was still part of a side that finished 17th. It shouldn't be too hard to rebuild a team and make it good enough to be a mid-table (for now) side.

I think the point isn't that we must replace Benteke with a player just like him, it is that we need to find a player who can reasonably be expected to weigh in with a few goals.

You're right, he was part of a side that finished 17th. Which is why it is so important that we get someone in to score the goals, because he supplied most of them in that team.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 06, 2015, 10:35:48 PM

Well, we know we're in for a second main striker. It's either a deal for Adebayor that's at an advantage stage or it will be someone else where we'll be basically starting over with and it may take a while to happen.

Going by pre-season, keeping clean sheets will be the challenge rather than goals scored.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dan England on August 06, 2015, 10:35:52 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 06, 2015, 10:22:47 PM

Quote from: OCD on August 06, 2015, 10:20:26 PM

What a load of bollocks this 'we must replace Benteke crap' is. Benteke was Benteke and he's gone. As good as he was, he was still part of a side that finished 17th. It shouldn't be too hard to rebuild a team and make it good enough to be a mid-table (for now) side.

I think the point isn't that we must replace Benteke with a player just like him, it is that we need to find a player who can reasonably be expected to weigh in with a few goals.

You're right, he was part of a side that finished 17th. Which is why it is so important that we get someone in to score the goals, because he supplied most of them in that team.

We don't necessarily need a 20 goal a season man, but the front three need to contribute 10-12 each. Sinclair and Gabby are certainly capable and have done so in the past, Gestede and Ayew look like they also are capable.  The challenge is playing in a way that will create the space and chances that those 3/4 players will need to get those goals.

There are two choices; retain the style of play and directly replace Benteke, or, change style and utilise other players strengths.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 06, 2015, 10:47:32 PM

Quote from: OCD on August 06, 2015, 10:35:48 PM

Going by pre-season, keeping clean sheets will be the challenge rather than goals scored.

I think we may struggle at both ends, to be honest, if we don't add more players, that is.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 06, 2015, 10:48:11 PM

Quote from: Dan England on August 06, 2015, 10:35:52 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 06, 2015, 10:22:47 PM

Quote from: OCD on August 06, 2015, 10:20:26 PM

What a load of bollocks this 'we must replace Benteke crap' is. Benteke was Benteke and he's gone. As good as he was, he was still part of a side that finished 17th. It shouldn't be too hard to rebuild a team and make it good enough to be a mid-table (for now) side.

I think the point isn't that we must replace Benteke with a player just like him, it is that we need to find a player who can reasonably be expected to weigh in with a few goals.

You're right, he was part of a side that finished 17th. Which is why it is so important that we get someone in to score the goals, because he supplied most of them in that team.

We don't necessarily need a 20 goal a season man, but the front three need to contribute 10-12 each. Sinclair and Gabby are certainly capable and have done so in the past, Gestede and Ayew look like they also are capable.  The challenge is playing in a way that will create the space and chances that those 3/4 players will need to get those goals.

There are two choices; retain the style of play and directly replace Benteke, or, change style and utilise other players strengths.

I honestly wouldn't rely on Gabby for anything.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 06, 2015, 10:55:12 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 06, 2015, 10:48:11 PM

I honestly wouldn't rely on Gabby for anything.

Certainly not a Gabby that's been injured and carrying around niggles, that's for sure.

On the other hand, a fully fit Gabby.. keep slagging him off. If there's one thing he's great at is rubbing in the face of those that right him off.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 06, 2015, 11:05:56 PM

Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 06, 2015, 10:55:12 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 06, 2015, 10:48:11 PM

I honestly wouldn't rely on Gabby for anything.

Certainly not a Gabby that's been injured and carrying around niggles, that's for sure.

On the other hand, a fully fit Gabby.. keep slagging him off. If there's one thing he's great at is rubbing in the face of those that right him off.

I would imagine that from the statistics below he hasn't been fully fit for five whole years now. These are pathetic tallies.

26 league goals in 5 years. And you think we should rely on him for goals under any circumstances?

I like the bloke, he's a local boy done good, who doesn't like that sort of thing? The problem is he has had a pathetic scoring record for five years now, and has never been anything like prolific.

14-15: 5 league goals
13-14: 4 league goals
12-13: 9 league goals
11-12: 5 league goals
10-11: 3 league goals

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 06, 2015, 11:42:26 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 06, 2015, 10:22:47 PM

Quote from: OCD on August 06, 2015, 10:20:26 PM

What a load of bollocks this 'we must replace Benteke crap' is. Benteke was Benteke and he's gone. As good as he was, he was still part of a side that finished 17th. It shouldn't be too hard to rebuild a team and make it good enough to be a mid-table (for now) side.

I think the point isn't that we must replace Benteke with a player just like him, it is that we need to find a player who can reasonably be expected to weigh in with a few goals.

You're right, he was part of a side that finished 17th. Which is why it is so important that we get someone in to score the goals, because he supplied most of them in that team.

I agree, but improving as a team can also be achieved by conceding less goals.  Our problems have not only stemmed from not scoring enough, but also conceding far too many. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 06, 2015, 11:51:44 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 06, 2015, 11:05:56 PM

Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 06, 2015, 10:55:12 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 06, 2015, 10:48:11 PM

I honestly wouldn't rely on Gabby for anything.

Certainly not a Gabby that's been injured and carrying around niggles, that's for sure.

On the other hand, a fully fit Gabby.. keep slagging him off. If there's one thing he's great at is rubbing in the face of those that right him off.

I would imagine that from the statistics below he hasn't been fully fit for five whole years now. These are pathetic tallies.

26 league goals in 5 years. And you think we should rely on him for goals under any circumstances?

I like the bloke, he's a local boy done good, who doesn't like that sort of thing? The problem is he has had a pathetic scoring record for five years now, and has never been anything like prolific.

14-15: 5 league goals
13-14: 4 league goals
12-13: 9 league goals
11-12: 5 league goals
10-11: 3 league goals

Those are damning stats. Awful.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ROBBO on August 07, 2015, 12:02:15 AM

He has had his day and having to rely on him for so long has been one of our problems he would be better off dropping to the championship.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 07, 2015, 12:15:26 AM

Shocking stats for Gabby , 5 last season and 2 of those were in the Sunderland rout

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 07, 2015, 12:15:40 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 06, 2015, 11:05:56 PM

Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 06, 2015, 10:55:12 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 06, 2015, 10:48:11 PM

I honestly wouldn't rely on Gabby for anything.

Certainly not a Gabby that's been injured and carrying around niggles, that's for sure.

On the other hand, a fully fit Gabby.. keep slagging him off. If there's one thing he's great at is rubbing in the face of those that right him off.

I would imagine that from the statistics below he hasn't been fully fit for five whole years now. These are pathetic tallies.

26 league goals in 5 years. And you think we should rely on him for goals under any circumstances?

I like the bloke, he's a local boy done good, who doesn't like that sort of thing? The problem is he has had a pathetic scoring record for five years now, and has never been anything like prolific.

14-15: 5 league goals
13-14: 4 league goals
12-13: 9 league goals
11-12: 5 league goals
10-11: 3 league goals

Cue 'yeah but he scores important goals'.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: GarTomas on August 07, 2015, 02:24:47 AM

When you finish 17th every goal is important

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 07, 2015, 02:29:03 AM

A goal in the FA Cup final would have been an "important goal".

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: GarTomas on August 07, 2015, 02:37:33 AM

Not when you concede 4!!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: *shellac* on August 07, 2015, 03:56:45 AM

4? I lost count after the first.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 07, 2015, 05:56:32 AM

To be fair to gabby the team basically created about five chances between September and February last season

No longer first choice for me but I'd definitely keep him this year.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 07, 2015, 07:27:19 AM

To be honest I think we should be looking more towards Sinclair for guaranteed goals. I bet he gets at least 8-10.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on August 07, 2015, 07:33:53 AM

Stay off twitter for any news for at least a week, so many people creaming themselves over an emoji.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 07, 2015, 07:47:09 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 06, 2015, 11:05:56 PM

Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 06, 2015, 10:55:12 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 06, 2015, 10:48:11 PM

I honestly wouldn't rely on Gabby for anything.

Certainly not a Gabby that's been injured and carrying around niggles, that's for sure.

On the other hand, a fully fit Gabby.. keep slagging him off. If there's one thing he's great at is rubbing in the face of those that right him off.

I would imagine that from the statistics below he hasn't been fully fit for five whole years now. These are pathetic tallies.

26 league goals in 5 years. And you think we should rely on him for goals under any circumstances?

I like the bloke, he's a local boy done good, who doesn't like that sort of thing? The problem is he has had a pathetic scoring record for five years now, and has never been anything like prolific.

14-15: 5 league goals
13-14: 4 league goals
12-13: 9 league goals
11-12: 5 league goals
10-11: 3 league goals

14-15: 5  league goals
13-14:  2 league goals
12-13: 4  league goals
11-12: 6 league goals
10-11:  3 league goals

John Terry defender and I'm sure there are better examples.

He's not good enough.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ryu on August 07, 2015, 08:13:43 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 06, 2015, 09:01:31 PM

We still need a RB, DCM, winger and a proven PL striker .

Saying we need a proven premier league striker smacks of a thoughtless platitude, IMO.  Who is there?  Austin maybe, if you count 1 PL season as proven. But as discussed on this thread he's probably quite limited and definitely very expensive. Adebayor counts as proven PL I suppose but other than that to get one we'd have to buy the main striker from a team who finished above us last season.  Shall we try for Aguerro?

Your attitude would have seen us not sign Yorke, Angel or Carew. Baros was proven in the PL for Christ's sake!

Signing players from other premier league clubs who would really improve us is just too expensive. That's why that market is pretty much just for the top 4 plus Liverpool.

But I don't know why I'm typing this as I'm sure you know it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on August 07, 2015, 08:15:57 AM

Apparently we have bid 5mil for Aaron Lennon.Not completely against this move but it seems to suggest Adama  Traore  is not available to us.Lennon has been pictured in the past smoking cigars which seems to suggest he doesn't look after himself properly.
He is fast but,like Tony Daley, never mastered the art of crossing the ball effectively.

I don't really see the point but Tim Sherwood knows him and obviously thinks he could do a job for us.But I really would have liked Traore even on loan.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villabear on August 07, 2015, 08:28:40 AM

I didn't take much notice of Lennon when he went on loan to Everton. I take it he didn't impress much if they haven't followed up the loan to a permanent deal. 

A centre half and a main striker I think is our priority but we'll see.

If we do sign him I'll look forward to his beaming smile when he holds up the shirt (see Everton)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: manic-road on August 07, 2015, 08:32:27 AM

Lennon has a bit of pace but his crossing isn't very accurate, if this rumour is true I hope Everton come in for him and take him of Spuds hands. Looks like money is still available to Tim to spend though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: warleyboy on August 07, 2015, 08:33:21 AM

I agree that Gabby is definitely an underachiever.
His poor finishing and goal tally are pretty grim.
But, I hope we keep him around the place, he is villa through and through.
He used to watch from the terraces as we all do.
There will always be a place for the Ian Taylor's, Lee Hendries and Gabbys of this world at VP.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on August 07, 2015, 08:38:24 AM

Tim Sherwood and his French obsessed back up team need to look elsewhere for a commanding central defender.Somewhere in either Denmark,Sweden,or Holland there is a huge individual with an attitude of thou shall not pass. We must find him because l fear Richards will be far from good enough at this level.Any success he has had was at right back which is where Sherwood should play him.
Japp Stam  where are you?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on August 07, 2015, 08:43:47 AM

Quote from: warleyboy on August 07, 2015, 08:33:21 AM

I agree that Gabby is definitely an underachiever.
His poor finishing and goal tally are pretty grim.
But, I hope we keep him around the place, he is villa through and through.
He used to watch from the terraces as we all do.
There will always be a place for the Ian Taylor's, Lee Hendries and Gabbys of this world at VP.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ryu on August 07, 2015, 08:44:35 AM

Quote from: Ron Manager on August 07, 2015, 08:38:24 AM

Tim Sherwood and his French obsessed back up team need to look elsewhere for a commanding central defender.Somewhere in either Denmark,Sweden,or Holland there is a huge individual with an attitude of thou shall not pass. We must find him because l fear Richards will be far from good enough at this level.Any success he has had was at right back which is where Sherwood should play him.
Japp Stam  where are you?

Last season we had a Danish and Dutch centre half.  Didn't stop our defence being frequently rubbish. The Anglo-irishman and the Scotsman were probably our beat defenders.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SamTheMouse on August 07, 2015, 08:45:47 AM

Quote from: warleyboy on August 07, 2015, 08:33:21 AM

I agree that Gabby is definitely an underachiever.
His poor finishing and goal tally are pretty grim.
But, I hope we keep him around the place, he is villa through and through.
He used to watch from the terraces as we all do.
There will always be a place for the Ian Taylor's, Lee Hendries and Gabbys of this world at VP.

Worst limerick ever.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 07, 2015, 08:49:37 AM

Well said Warleyboy.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on August 07, 2015, 08:49:58 AM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on August 07, 2015, 08:45:47 AM

Quote from: warleyboy on August 07, 2015, 08:33:21 AM

I agree that Gabby is definitely an underachiever.
His poor finishing and goal tally are pretty grim.
But, I hope we keep him around the place, he is villa through and through.
He used to watch from the terraces as we all do.
There will always be a place for the Ian Taylor's, Lee Hendries and Gabbys of this world at VP.

Worst limerick ever.

Is it too early to start drinking?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on August 07, 2015, 08:50:11 AM

Quote from: warleyboy on August 07, 2015, 08:33:21 AM

I agree that Gabby is definitely an underachiever.
His poor finishing and goal tally are pretty grim.
But, I hope we keep him around the place, he is villa through and through.
He used to watch from the terraces as we all do.
There will always be a place for the Ian Taylor's, Lee Hendries and Gabbys of this world at VP.

Your first sentence and your third  sentence contradict themselves.Your fourth sentence is inaccurate. Another poster has stated he supported Arsenal as a kid and has never been on the terraces at Villa Park!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: richard moore on August 07, 2015, 08:51:46 AM

Quote from: warleyboy on August 07, 2015, 08:33:21 AM

I agree that Gabby is definitely an underachiever.
His poor finishing and goal tally are pretty grim.
But, I hope we keep him around the place, he is villa through and through.
He used to watch from the terraces as we all do.
There will always be a place for the Ian Taylor's, Lee Hendries and Gabbys of this world at VP.

I qualify to be starting on Saturday based on most of that!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on August 07, 2015, 08:53:40 AM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on August 07, 2015, 08:45:47 AM

Quote from: warleyboy on August 07, 2015, 08:33:21 AM

I agree that Gabby is definitely an underachiever.
His poor finishing and goal tally are pretty grim.
But, I hope we keep him around the place, he is villa through and through.
He used to watch from the terraces as we all do.
There will always be a place for the Ian Taylor's, Lee Hendries and Gabbys of this world at VP.

Worst limerick ever.

lol. I actually perked up reading the original post thinking someone had put together a clever little ditty.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 07, 2015, 09:32:21 AM

Quote from: warleyboy on August 07, 2015, 08:33:21 AM

I agree that Gabby is definitely an underachiever.
His poor finishing and goal tally are pretty grim.
But, I hope we keep him around the place, he is villa through and through.
He used to watch from the terraces as we all do.
There will always be a place for the Ian Taylor's, Lee Hendries and Gabbys of this world at VP.

I agree. Just not on the pitch.

I love the talk of how he's been so loyal, too. When was this loyalty tested, do we think? And by whom?

I have nothing against him as a person, I'm sure he's a lovely bloke and what not, but I just can't believe how many excuses get made for him because he's a brummie (and that old 'he used to stand on the Holte' thing isn't even true, as he said himself on Football Focus a while back, he didn't go to the matches).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 07, 2015, 09:36:49 AM

Callum Robinson has joined Bristol City on loan for the season

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ktvillan on August 07, 2015, 09:42:18 AM

Quote from: richard moore on August 07, 2015, 08:51:46 AM

Quote from: warleyboy on August 07, 2015, 08:33:21 AM

I agree that Gabby is definitely an underachiever.
His poor finishing and goal tally are pretty grim.
But, I hope we keep him around the place, he is villa through and through.
He used to watch from the terraces as we all do.
There will always be a place for the Ian Taylor's, Lee Hendries and Gabbys of this world at VP.

I qualify to be starting on Saturday based on most of that!

Yeah great idea let's only recruit players from the terraces regardless of ability.  Guaranteed loyal one club men, mainly because no-one else would want them.  I can't imagine why no-one has thought of it before.

I'd question whether Gabby is an under achiever.   I think he has somewhat overachieved by staying in the PL for so long given his ability levels.  Those scoring records for the last 5 years really are quite damning, I hadn't realised they were so poor.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 07, 2015, 10:12:59 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 07, 2015, 09:36:49 AM

Callum Robinson has joined Bristol City on loan for the season

Good stuff, see how he gets on in the Championship.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Hoppo on August 07, 2015, 10:25:15 AM

I would rather Gabby was sent to Bristol City on loan for the year.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 07, 2015, 10:44:25 AM

Martin Laurence, the whoscored.com bloke, contributes to the Guardian occasionally, Villa fan, tweeted this this morning:

Martin Laurence ‏@martinlaurence7  1h1 hour ago
Ooooo #AVFC

I wonder what that's about?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Smirker on August 07, 2015, 10:47:11 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 07, 2015, 10:44:25 AM

Martin Laurence, the whoscored.com bloke, contributes to the Guardian occasionally, Villa fan, tweeted this this morning:

Martin Laurence ‏@martinlaurence7  1h1 hour ago
Ooooo #AVFC

I wonder what that's about?

I hate it when people post these tweets ffs.

Probably fuck all.

Hope it's that lad from Barca though  8)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Harpo on August 07, 2015, 10:48:17 AM

Looks like Australia's scorecard from yesterday.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on August 07, 2015, 11:04:52 AM

Quote from: Harpo on August 07, 2015, 10:48:17 AM

Looks like Australia's scorecard from yesterday.

Smart@rse:-)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 07, 2015, 11:15:33 AM

 Cant some twitterer ask him via twitter

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: richard moore on August 07, 2015, 11:20:27 AM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on August 07, 2015, 10:12:59 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 07, 2015, 09:36:49 AM

Callum Robinson has joined Bristol City on loan for the season

Good stuff, see how he gets on in the Championship.

Good news, I quite like them, got a lot of friends in Bristol, nice lot who generally like the Villa too

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 07, 2015, 11:36:18 AM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on August 07, 2015, 10:12:59 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 07, 2015, 09:36:49 AM

Callum Robinson has joined Bristol City on loan for the season

Good stuff, see how he gets on in the Championship.

Yep, happy with this, good club and they seem to play decent football, I hope he does really well there, I think he can become a very good player if he keeps developing.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SirSteveUK on August 07, 2015, 11:44:29 AM

Quote from: richard moore on August 07, 2015, 11:20:27 AM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on August 07, 2015, 10:12:59 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 07, 2015, 09:36:49 AM

Callum Robinson has joined Bristol City on loan for the season

Good stuff, see how he gets on in the Championship.

Good news, I quite like them, got a lot of friends in Bristol, nice lot who generally like the Villa too

We used to be their closest Topflight football years ago - that's possibly why

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on August 07, 2015, 12:08:44 PM

Quote from: Smirker on August 07, 2015, 10:47:11 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 07, 2015, 10:44:25 AM

Martin Laurence, the whoscored.com bloke, contributes to the Guardian occasionally, Villa fan, tweeted this this morning:

Martin Laurence ‏@martinlaurence7  1h1 hour ago
Ooooo #AVFC

I wonder what that's about?

I hate it when people post these tweets ffs.

Probably fuck all.

Hope it's that lad from Barca though  8)

Yep fuck all, he typed #avfc and got a little badge emoji.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: richard moore on August 07, 2015, 12:09:40 PM

Quote from: SirSteveUK on August 07, 2015, 11:44:29 AM

Quote from: richard moore on August 07, 2015, 11:20:27 AM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on August 07, 2015, 10:12:59 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 07, 2015, 09:36:49 AM

Callum Robinson has joined Bristol City on loan for the season

Good stuff, see how he gets on in the Championship.

Good news, I quite like them, got a lot of friends in Bristol, nice lot who generally like the Villa too

We used to be their closest Topflight football years ago - that's possibly why

Yes, very true, also why we have a lot of support in the SW generally - I used to knock around Torquay, Dartmouth, Newton Abbott and the like back in the 90s with my Villa shirt on - the old Mita white/black/blue away shirt comes to mind particularly for some reason, probably because it is still hanging in my wardrobe - and I'd always get loads of locals and holidaymakers coming up to me to chat about the Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 07, 2015, 12:09:54 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 07, 2015, 10:44:25 AM

Martin Laurence, the whoscored.com bloke, contributes to the Guardian occasionally, Villa fan, tweeted this this morning:

Martin Laurence ‏@martinlaurence7  1h1 hour ago
Ooooo #AVFC

I wonder what that's about?

It's his pet name for piles. They've obviously made a reappearance.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: asgpaul on August 07, 2015, 12:22:54 PM

Quote from: richard moore on August 07, 2015, 12:09:40 PM

Quote from: SirSteveUK on August 07, 2015, 11:44:29 AM

Quote from: richard moore on August 07, 2015, 11:20:27 AM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on August 07, 2015, 10:12:59 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 07, 2015, 09:36:49 AM

Callum Robinson has joined Bristol City on loan for the season

Good stuff, see how he gets on in the Championship.

Good news, I quite like them, got a lot of friends in Bristol, nice lot who generally like the Villa too

We used to be their closest Topflight football years ago - that's possibly why

Yes, very true, also why we have a lot of support in the SW generally - I used to knock around Torquay, Dartmouth, Newton Abbott and the like back in the 90s with my Villa shirt on - the old Mita white/black/blue away shirt comes to mind particularly for some reason, probably because it is still hanging in my wardrobe - and I'd always get loads of locals and holidaymakers coming up to me to chat about the Villa.

I moved to Bristol in '87 - my daughters who were born in Bristol, both support the Villa - the 10 year old collects the shirts and wears them around Bristol and loves justifying her reasons why she supports Villa, especially to those wearing club shirts they have no links to - other than the fact they win things! 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 07, 2015, 12:53:14 PM

Quote from: asgpaul on August 07, 2015, 12:22:54 PM

Quote from: richard moore on August 07, 2015, 12:09:40 PM

Quote from: SirSteveUK on August 07, 2015, 11:44:29 AM

Quote from: richard moore on August 07, 2015, 11:20:27 AM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on August 07, 2015, 10:12:59 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 07, 2015, 09:36:49 AM

Callum Robinson has joined Bristol City on loan for the season

Good stuff, see how he gets on in the Championship.

Good news, I quite like them, got a lot of friends in Bristol, nice lot who generally like the Villa too

We used to be their closest Topflight football years ago - that's possibly why

Yes, very true, also why we have a lot of support in the SW generally - I used to knock around Torquay, Dartmouth, Newton Abbott and the like back in the 90s with my Villa shirt on - the old Mita white/black/blue away shirt comes to mind particularly for some reason, probably because it is still hanging in my wardrobe - and I'd always get loads of locals and holidaymakers coming up to me to chat about the Villa.

I moved to Bristol in '87 - my daughters who were born in Bristol, both support the Villa - the 10 year old collects the shirts and wears them around Bristol and loves justifying her reasons why she supports Villa, especially to those wearing club shirts they have no links to - other than the fact they win things! 

Excellent stuff

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 07, 2015, 01:26:08 PM

Quote from: asgpaul on August 07, 2015, 12:22:54 PM

I moved to Bristol in '87 - my daughters who were born in Bristol, both support the Villa - the 10 year old collects the shirts and wears them around Bristol and loves justifying her reasons why she supports Villa, especially to those wearing club shirts they have no links to - other than the fact they win things! 

My son is the same, he takes no crap from his team mates at football training when they turn out in their Liverpool/Man Utd/Chelsea shirts and try to give him stick about Villa. He always asks how many times they've been to Anfield or Old Trafford etc and reminds a couple of them that they supported different teams when they were at primary school.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 07, 2015, 02:17:09 PM

oh no being linked with Borini today (Inside Futbol) I think I'd rather have Grant Holt back.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on August 07, 2015, 02:34:39 PM

According to the E&S Adebayor has asked if he can travel daily from London which Sherwood isn't happy about at all. The situation with Adama Traore is Villa are unwilling to meet his buyout clause which  according to the E&S is £12mil. So he is likely to go to Stoke if they can meet this figure.Like most of you I think he looks the real deal on You Tube. If he does go to Stoke I would be very dissapointed.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 07, 2015, 02:46:05 PM

Baggies are apparently the club buying rondon for about £15m

Seems to have a good rep?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 07, 2015, 02:55:08 PM

It would be a bit disappointing to end the window with a strike force of Gestede/Kozak, Ayew and Gabby. There's just not enough goals in it unless Gestede turns out to be a real bargain.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 07, 2015, 02:58:28 PM

It's as much about the quality as the goals. Unless as you sat gestede scores a lot and / or Ayew is a real success as a live wire player

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 07, 2015, 03:08:46 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on August 07, 2015, 02:55:08 PM

It would be a bit disappointing to end the window with a strike force of Gestede/Kozak, Ayew and the club mascot. There's just not enough goals in it unless Gestede turns out to be a real bargain.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 07, 2015, 03:10:24 PM

I can't believe someone else will not come in

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 07, 2015, 03:31:01 PM

Tha number 10 has been left unallotted for a reason.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 07, 2015, 03:33:58 PM

Quote from: brian green on August 07, 2015, 03:31:01 PM

Tha number 10 has been left unallotted for a reason.

Cameron.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: gervilla on August 07, 2015, 03:35:37 PM

Jerome ?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 07, 2015, 03:37:56 PM

Quote from: gervilla on August 07, 2015, 03:35:37 PM

Jerome ?

David.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 07, 2015, 03:40:09 PM

That is not remotely funny Dave.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: asgpaul on August 07, 2015, 03:41:25 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 07, 2015, 03:37:56 PM

Quote from: gervilla on August 07, 2015, 03:35:37 PM

Jerome ?

David.

Nah! Think he'd favour a move to West Ham!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 07, 2015, 03:44:15 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 07, 2015, 03:37:56 PM

Quote from: gervilla on August 07, 2015, 03:35:37 PM

Jerome ?

David.

Nah, he doesn't play where we need and he's not good for the strikers.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 07, 2015, 03:45:39 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on August 07, 2015, 02:34:39 PM

The situation with Adama Traore is Villa are unwilling to meet his buyout clause which  according to the E&S is £12mil. So he is likely to go to Stoke if they can meet this figure.Like most of you I think he looks the real deal on You Tube. If he does go to Stoke I would be very dissapointed.

Same here. He looks one of the most exciting and talented young player I've seen since an 18 year old lad at Sporting called Cristiano.
To lose out to team like Stoke would be tragic.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 07, 2015, 03:46:09 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 07, 2015, 03:33:58 PM

Quote from: brian green on August 07, 2015, 03:31:01 PM

Tha number 10 has been left unallotted for a reason.

Cameron.

Quote from: brian green on August 07, 2015, 03:31:01 PM

Tha number 10 has been left unallotted for a reason.

I suspect you're right, but being a Villa fan and after the last 5 years I just worry we will rush in to something and buy someone like Borini, over priced, under talented to fill the gap. Hopefully, judging by what Sherwood has said about scouting etc they will have had a list of fall backs. Let's hope one of them is good, because we deserve a bit of excitement this season and not another long plod with few goals and Gabby stinking the place out weekly.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on August 07, 2015, 03:57:56 PM

Quote from: brian green on August 07, 2015, 03:40:09 PM

That is not remotely funny Dave.

I laughed.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: spangley1812 on August 07, 2015, 04:05:04 PM

The Birmingham Mail are the latest media outlet to report West Brom are hoping to smash their transfer record and sign striker Salomon Rondon from Zenit St Petersburg.

The 25-year-old, rated at around £15m has scored 28 goals in 57 games for the Russian outfit and is thought to have a medical booked in with the Baggies.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 07, 2015, 04:05:56 PM

Quote from: richard moore on August 07, 2015, 11:20:27 AM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on August 07, 2015, 10:12:59 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 07, 2015, 09:36:49 AM

Callum Robinson has joined Bristol City on loan for the season

Good stuff, see how he gets on in the Championship.

Good news, I quite like them, got a lot of friends in Bristol, nice lot who generally like the Villa too

Same here, one of my best friends here is a City fan so always look for their results. He has a season ticket even though he lives 4,500 miles away frrom Ashton Gate. Apparently we haven't played them since 1982 in the FA Cup.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on August 07, 2015, 04:09:59 PM

Quote from: spangley1812 on August 07, 2015, 04:05:04 PM

The Birmingham Mail are the latest media outlet to report the Stripey Filth are hoping to smash their transfer record and sign striker Salomon Rondon from Zenit St Petersburg.

The 25-year-old, rated at around £15m has scored 28 goals in 57 games for the Russian outfit and is thought to have a medical booked in with the Stripey Filth.

I feel sick now.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on August 07, 2015, 04:10:32 PM

Bristol City was my first ever game. 1976 won 3-1

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 07, 2015, 04:12:44 PM

I wouldn't leave Zenit for Smethwick as St Petersburg is a lovely city. I went there in May :)
 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on August 07, 2015, 04:34:26 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 07, 2015, 09:36:49 AM

Callum Robinson has joined Bristol City on loan for the season

Bristol City? Nope, never heard of them. Must be some minor team from south of the river.

C'mon you Gas

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 07, 2015, 04:36:20 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 07, 2015, 03:37:56 PM

Quote from: gervilla on August 07, 2015, 03:35:37 PM

Jerome ?

David.

Diaz

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 07, 2015, 04:41:45 PM

some reports are putting Traore's buy out as low as £4m ; if true anyone would be nuts not to buy him

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 07, 2015, 04:46:24 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on August 07, 2015, 04:09:59 PM

Quote from: spangley1812 on August 07, 2015, 04:05:04 PM

The Birmingham Mail are the latest media outlet to report the Stripey Filth are hoping to smash their transfer record and sign striker Salomon Rondon from Zenit St Petersburg.

The 25-year-old, rated at around £15m has scored 28 goals in 57 games for the Russian outfit and is thought to have a medical booked in with the Stripey Filth.

I feel sick now.

Not necessarily to you specifically Goldie, but I don't get how the approach that we're taking is a huge (albeit necessary) risk with our recruitment policy, whilst when other teams, not just them do, deals like this its disappointing.

They're allegedly spending a fortune on a player that most of us hadn't heard of a week ago from a league where from my recollection it's at best 50:50 with their better players settling into western European leagues and the same league where they recruited their record waste of space from last summer.

Even recruiting from within the PL is a risk.
Nickey Shorey anyone?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: MoetVillan on August 07, 2015, 04:51:27 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 07, 2015, 04:41:45 PM

some reports are putting Traore's buy out as low as £4m ; if true anyone would be nuts not to buy him

Is that like a release clause and will it fire off a bidding war?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on August 07, 2015, 04:54:23 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 07, 2015, 04:12:44 PM

I wouldn't leave Zenit for Smethwick as St Petersburg is a lovely city. I went there in May :)
 

You might if you were black.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 07, 2015, 05:07:38 PM

Or allergic to Polonium.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 07, 2015, 05:12:31 PM

Quote from: Tokyo Sexwhale on August 07, 2015, 04:54:23 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 07, 2015, 04:12:44 PM

I wouldn't leave Zenit for Smethwick as St Petersburg is a lovely city. I went there in May :)
 

You might if you were black.

Yep, because every single one of the 143 million people in Russia hate black people don't they.  FFS.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 07, 2015, 05:19:06 PM

is Ideye Brown still at WBA? I thought he came from the Russian League and cost something astronomical only to score two or three last season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: thick_mike on August 07, 2015, 05:19:46 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on August 07, 2015, 05:12:31 PM

Quote from: Tokyo Sexwhale on August 07, 2015, 04:54:23 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 07, 2015, 04:12:44 PM

I wouldn't leave Zenit for Smethwick as St Petersburg is a lovely city. I went there in May :)
 

You might if you were black.

Yep, because every single one of the 143 million people in Russia hate black people don't they.  FFS.

Nobody has said all Russians are racist (fabulous irony), however St Petersburg do seem to be less friendly towards black players than other European teams...

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european/were-not-racists-zenit-st-petersburg-fan-group-against-black-and-gay-players-joining-russian-champions-8422571.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european/were-not-racists-zenit-st-petersburg-fan-group-against-black-and-gay-players-joining-russian-champions-8422571.html)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 07, 2015, 05:20:44 PM

We haven't signed a player in a week and some people are panicking. I get the impression we got in the players we needed to and now are playing the game with regards to other players. That is dominos need to fall elsewhere for players to leave, other clubs to do their business before we can secure our targets. A number of things will still happen between now and the close of the window. The season is a long one and the starting side will evolve especially when you consider how many new players we have.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 07, 2015, 05:25:17 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on August 07, 2015, 05:12:31 PM

Quote from: Tokyo Sexwhale on August 07, 2015, 04:54:23 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 07, 2015, 04:12:44 PM

I wouldn't leave Zenit for Smethwick as St Petersburg is a lovely city. I went there in May :)
 

You might if you were black.

Yep, because every single one of the 143 million people in Russia hate black people don't they.  FFS.

I don't think he said that they do, did he?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Vegas on August 07, 2015, 05:27:55 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on August 07, 2015, 05:12:31 PM

Quote from: Tokyo Sexwhale on August 07, 2015, 04:54:23 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 07, 2015, 04:12:44 PM

I wouldn't leave Zenit for Smethwick as St Petersburg is a lovely city. I went there in May :)
 

You might if you were black.

Yep, because every single one of the 143 million people in Russia hate black people don't they.  FFS.

What a strange comment. Looking for things to be offended by?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Comrade Blitz on August 07, 2015, 05:34:45 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 07, 2015, 04:12:44 PM

I wouldn't leave Zenit for Smethwick as St Petersburg is a lovely city. I went there in May :)
 

Ah, but yam's cultured now with all yer fancy dancing. Footballers don't care about architecture and history.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SashasGrandad on August 07, 2015, 05:43:50 PM

Quote from: Comrade Blitz on August 07, 2015, 05:34:45 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 07, 2015, 04:12:44 PM

I wouldn't leave Zenit for Smethwick as St Petersburg is a lovely city. I went there in May :)
 

Ah, but yam's cultured now with all yer fancy dancing. Footballers don't care about architecture and history.

The centre of St Petersburg is very nice but if you go into the poorer parts it makes Smethwick look posh. I went in a corner shop in outer St Petersburg and it was very basic, vegetables that were so poor they would be binned in this country.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SamTheMouse on August 07, 2015, 05:59:10 PM

Quote from: SashasGrandad on August 07, 2015, 05:43:50 PM

The centre of St Petersburg is very nice but if you go into the poorer parts it makes Smethwick look posh. I went in a corner shop in outer St Petersburg and it was very basic, vegetables that were so poor they would be binned in this country.

That's some quality travel-writing there. It's given me a great idea for a new website to rival Tripadvisor.

Rate countries on the quality of their fresh produce!

Papua New Guinea: "Nice melons, but the potatoes tasted funny.."
Germany: "My partner was attacked by a gang of cabbages..."
Uruguay: "We ate cauliflowers from a dumpster..."

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: The Man With A Stick on August 07, 2015, 06:14:31 PM

Australia: "shit beer and dust absolutely bloody everywhere"

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: gervilla on August 07, 2015, 06:14:33 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 07, 2015, 03:37:56 PM

Quote from: gervilla on August 07, 2015, 03:35:37 PM

Jerome ?

David.

Cameron David. I presume its pronounced Daveed and he's french. Exciting !

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 07, 2015, 06:48:07 PM

Quote from: The Man With A Stick on August 07, 2015, 06:14:31 PM

Australia: "shit beer and dust absolutely bloody everywhere"

France, onions and Garlic everywhere.
Brussels full of sprouts.
Hamburg, not a place for Vegetarians.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tayls_7 on August 07, 2015, 07:04:56 PM

Quote from: ChicagoLion on August 07, 2015, 06:48:07 PM

Quote from: The Man With A Stick on August 07, 2015, 06:14:31 PM

Australia: "shit beer and dust absolutely bloody everywhere"

France, onions and Garlic everywhere.
Brussels full of sprouts.
Hamburg, not a place for Vegetarians.

Cockermouth. Oh forget it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Comrade Blitz on August 07, 2015, 07:27:16 PM

USA - what's a fresh vegetable?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: bob on August 07, 2015, 07:31:51 PM

haha!

Nice one, Tayls

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on August 07, 2015, 07:32:58 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on August 07, 2015, 05:12:31 PM

Quote from: Tokyo Sexwhale on August 07, 2015, 04:54:23 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 07, 2015, 04:12:44 PM

I wouldn't leave Zenit for Smethwick as St Petersburg is a lovely city. I went there in May :)
 

You might if you were black.

Yep, because every single one of the 143 million people in Russia hate black people don't they.  FFS.

Yes, that would be the most logical interpretation of what I said; rather than the more obvious fact that a number of black players have suffered racial abuse at SOME Russian football grounds, with fans of Zenit ST PETERSBURG amongst the most prominent offenders.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: steamer on August 07, 2015, 07:34:22 PM

st Petersburg is renowned as the Paris of the East.
It is on my bucket list, should I delete it ?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: clash city rocker on August 07, 2015, 07:44:15 PM

The skeleton coast Namibia is on my bucket list. Probably get to go when villa win the F.A. cup.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: steamer on August 07, 2015, 07:50:42 PM

Quote from: clash city rocker on August 07, 2015, 07:44:15 PM

The skeleton coast Namibia is on my bucket list. Probably get to go when villa win the F.A. cup.

The Beer is pretty good there

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: clash city rocker on August 07, 2015, 07:51:46 PM

That's sold it to me then..!!!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 07, 2015, 07:57:05 PM

Quote from: Comrade Blitz on August 07, 2015, 07:27:16 PM

USA - what's a fresh vegetable?

You have visited the wrong bits mate. Where I live you get world class produce from the market.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on August 07, 2015, 08:05:11 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on August 07, 2015, 07:57:05 PM

Quote from: Comrade Blitz on August 07, 2015, 07:27:16 PM

USA - what's a fresh vegetable?

You have visited the wrong bits mate. Where I live you get world class produce from the market.

Their beer is fantastic too... if we're thumbing our noses at stereotypes.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: steamer on August 07, 2015, 08:07:23 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on August 07, 2015, 07:57:05 PM

Quote from: Comrade Blitz on August 07, 2015, 07:27:16 PM

USA - what's a fresh vegetable?

You have visited the wrong bits mate. Where I live you get world class produce from the market.


When I visited the states I was prepared for crap beer and processed food.
Wrong on both counts, great beer, lots of Ales and craft stuff.
Also junk food really was not your first choice, impressed with all of the health food options, frankly put the U.K in the shade.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 07, 2015, 08:40:16 PM

with respect that's a ridiculous generalization. there are some farmers markets near to me with an amazing variety of food vegetables and fruit, all grown locally

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 07, 2015, 08:46:02 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 07, 2015, 04:41:45 PM

some reports are putting Traore's buy out as low as £4m ; if true anyone would be nuts not to buy him

I'll buy him for that , he can mow my lawn and then ill treble my money on him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villabear on August 07, 2015, 08:56:36 PM

Cambiasso signed by Olympiacos on 2 year deal.

We go again.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 07, 2015, 09:27:33 PM

Odd that a Greek club can afford to compete with Premier League clubs for wages. Even assuming we weren't in for him, surely he could've re-signed for Leicester had he so chosen?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SashasGrandad on August 07, 2015, 09:31:34 PM

Quote from: steamer on August 07, 2015, 07:34:22 PM

st Petersburg is renowned as the Paris of the East.
It is on my bucket list, should I delete it ?

Worth going - but stay in the centre/tourist bit. Good for art/history/culture if that floats your boat. The Hermitage is one of the best museums in the world. 

I actually went to watch a ballet when I was there. Swan Lake - Russian company - it was excellent. Don't believe all the nonsense it is just a bunch of poofters! Very powerful, athletic and in parts quite erotic!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 07, 2015, 10:01:06 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 07, 2015, 09:27:33 PM

Odd that a Greek club can afford to compete with Premier League clubs for wages. Even assuming we weren't in for him, surely he could've re-signed for Leicester had he so chosen?

I'd hazard a guess that it's the 2 years that have swung it, plus a slower paced league and the chance of a last hurrah in the CL.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 07, 2015, 10:03:24 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on August 07, 2015, 10:01:06 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 07, 2015, 09:27:33 PM

Odd that a Greek club can afford to compete with Premier League clubs for wages. Even assuming we weren't in for him, surely he could've re-signed for Leicester had he so chosen?

I'd hazard a guess that it's the 2 years that have swung it, plus a slower paced league and the chance of a last hurrah in the CL.

He's a staunch Socialist, and wishes to lead the fight against the free market fascists from the frontline streets of Athens.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 07, 2015, 10:07:00 PM

Quote from: SashasGrandad on August 07, 2015, 09:31:34 PM

Quote from: steamer on August 07, 2015, 07:34:22 PM

st Petersburg is renowned as the Paris of the East.
It is on my bucket list, should I delete it ?

Worth going - but stay in the centre/tourist bit. Good for art/history/culture if that floats your boat. The Hermitage is one of the best museums in the world. 

I actually went to watch a ballet when I was there. Swan Lake - Russian company - it was excellent. Don't believe all the nonsense it is just a bunch of poofters! Very powerful, athletic and in parts quite erotic!

Hermitage, Summer Palace, Church on Spilled Blood and all the rest. It's the most fascinating city I've visited.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 07, 2015, 10:23:19 PM

Not impressed that Albion are signing Rondon at all. Last I saw before boarding a 28hr ferry yesterday morning was that we were being linked with him, get home finally tonight and find Albion are close to signing him. Gutted, looks a beast of a forward.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: johnny from donny on August 07, 2015, 10:26:01 PM

I visited Leningrad (as it was then) and Moscow in 1986, they were both great cities.  The Metro stations in Moscow were amazing. It cost us 2 kopeks each to stay on the Metro for as long as we wanted (on & off trains as much as you please as long as you don't go back above ground) and we stayed for ages, visiting stations  that would have passed for art galleries in this country.
Some amazing buildings in both places (St Basil's Cathedral is stunning) if you do go, see about getting a tour guide for some of your time there because the history of both places was fascinating to me as a 15 year old boy; I'm sure to an adult it would be even more so.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on August 07, 2015, 11:06:38 PM

A review of artwork on the Moscow Metro. I bet you don't get that over on TBAR

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on August 07, 2015, 11:51:28 PM

TP in his interview earlier didn't seem that confident Lescott would be still there come Tuesday to me.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 08, 2015, 12:02:41 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 07, 2015, 10:23:19 PM

Not impressed that Albion are signing Rondon at all. Last I saw before boarding a 28hr ferry yesterday morning was that we were being linked with him, get home finally tonight and find Albion are close to signing him. Gutted, looks a beast of a forward.

He is very good. Scored 20 goals in La Liga for Malaga, scored in Champions league and Europa league for Zenit and has 1 in 3 for Venezuela.

Could've been a signing for us, I wouldn't have bothered signing Ayew as Rondon and Gestede would've replaced Benteke no problem.

Easily the best signing they've made for years, he's a bit better than Brown Ideye!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villan from luton on August 08, 2015, 12:16:02 AM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 08, 2015, 12:02:41 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 07, 2015, 10:23:19 PM

Not impressed that Albion are signing Rondon at all. Last I saw before boarding a 28hr ferry yesterday morning was that we were being linked with him, get home finally tonight and find Albion are close to signing him. Gutted, looks a beast of a forward.

He is very good. Scored 20 goals in La Liga for Malaga, scored in Champions league and Europa league for Zenit and has 1 in 3 for Venezuela.

Could've been a signing for us, I wouldn't have bothered signing Ayew as Rondon and Gestede would've replaced Benteke no problem.

Easily the best signing they've made for years, he's a bit better than Brown Ideye!

Has he signed for them? Frightful if he is a bit better than Brown Ideye lol

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on August 08, 2015, 01:16:01 AM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 08, 2015, 12:02:41 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 07, 2015, 10:23:19 PM

Not impressed that Albion are signing Rondon at all. Last I saw before boarding a 28hr ferry yesterday morning was that we were being linked with him, get home finally tonight and find Albion are close to signing him. Gutted, looks a beast of a forward.

He is very good. Scored 20 goals in La Liga for Malaga, scored in Champions league and Europa league for Zenit and has 1 in 3 for Venezuela.

Could've been a signing for us, I wouldn't have bothered signing Ayew as Rondon and Gestede would've replaced Benteke no problem.

Easily the best signing they've made for years, he's a bit better than Brown Ideye!

Totally agree. Ayew isn't at the same level as Rondon and we're banking on goals from a player that's only had one good season in his career.

I see Gestede as an upgrade on Weimann and nothing more. I do not see Ayew as even half of the player you know who was/is. I would of preferred the free older bro if I had to choose.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villan from luton on August 08, 2015, 01:40:10 AM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on August 08, 2015, 01:16:01 AM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 08, 2015, 12:02:41 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 07, 2015, 10:23:19 PM

Not impressed that Albion are signing Rondon at all. Last I saw before boarding a 28hr ferry yesterday morning was that we were being linked with him, get home finally tonight and find Albion are close to signing him. Gutted, looks a beast of a forward.

He is very good. Scored 20 goals in La Liga for Malaga, scored in Champions league and Europa league for Zenit and has 1 in 3 for Venezuela.

Could've been a signing for us, I wouldn't have bothered signing Ayew as Rondon and Gestede would've replaced Benteke no problem.

Easily the best signing they've made for years, he's a bit better than Brown Ideye!

Totally agree. Ayew isn't at the same level as Rondon and we're banking on goals from a player that's only had one good season in his career.

I see Gestede as an upgrade on Weimann and nothing more. I do not see Ayew as even half of the player you know who was/is. I would of preferred the free older bro if I had to choose.

I will be honest straight away and say my knowledge is fairly limited on these players. Gustede don't seem anything similar to Weimann to be fair and I don't think it is Ayew who we are banking the goals on. It is likely he will be coming from out wide by all accounts. As for Rondon, as I asked before, have the Baggies signed him?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on August 08, 2015, 02:19:16 AM

Not yet.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt C on August 08, 2015, 02:24:38 AM

Still, could be rather amusing if at the mere suggestion we might be interested Lescott comes running.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villan from luton on August 08, 2015, 02:40:32 AM

So there is as much chance of Charles Rondon coming to the Baggies as there is Villa fan Joleyn Lescott going to the Theatre of Dreams :-(

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 08, 2015, 05:55:45 AM

It doesn't make sense to compare Ayew with benteke and gestede with weimann, it's the other way around

Ayew an upgrade, gestede clearly not though he probably can match or better benteke's ability in the air

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 08, 2015, 05:59:57 AM

Still wouldn't at all mind getting Matt Phillips. Would much prefer to see him on the right of midfield than Bacuna.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 08, 2015, 06:04:50 AM

St Petersburg is particularly interesting to architects, planners and urban designers because it is one of the number of beautiful great cities built in impossibly difficult places to build. San Francisco, Venice and Amsterdam being others where the building constraints have brought the very best out of their builders. Builders in the broadest sense. Other, easier, places to build produce cities like Los Angeles and Cairo.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: DB on August 08, 2015, 08:59:46 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on August 08, 2015, 05:59:57 AM

Still wouldn't at all mind getting Matt Phillips. Would much prefer to see him on the right of midfield than Bacuna.

Yes, good player. He tore Richardson apart at VP, my QPR mate says he was there best player last season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 08, 2015, 09:35:22 AM

#   Net Spend last 5 Years   Purchased Gross   Sold   Nett   Per Season
                    
1   Manchester United   £405,200,000   £121,700,000   £283,500,000   £56,700,000
2   Manchester City   £385,700,000   £150,300,000   £235,400,000   £47,080,000
4   Chelsea   £416,509,000   £241,450,000   £175,059,000   £35,011,800
3   Liverpool   £349,000,000   £176,370,000   £172,630,000   £34,526,000
5   Arsenal   £253,625,000   £154,600,000   £99,025,000   £19,805,000
6   West Ham   £106,900,000   £16,500,000   £90,400,000   £18,080,000
7   Newcastle   £124,000,000   £66,100,000   £57,900,000   £11,580,000
8   Crystal Palace   £74,635,000   £18,900,000   £55,735,000   £11,147,000
9   Sunderland   £108,430,000   £59,550,000   £48,880,000   £9,776,000
14   Leicester   £50,100,000   £4,650,000   £45,450,000   £9,090,000
10   Norwich City   £63,575,000   £19,650,000   £43,925,000   £8,785,000
11   Stoke City   £58,250,000   £24,100,000   £34,150,000   £6,830,000
15   West Bromwich Albion   £54,750,000   £22,509,000   £32,241,000   £6,448,200
12   Aston Villa   £114,850,000   £90,200,000   £24,650,000   £4,930,000
15   Bournemouth   £25,550,000   £3,200,000   £22,350,000   £4,470,000
16   Southampton   £158,600,000   £142,850,000   £15,750,000   £3,150,000
17   Swansea   £79,875,000   £66,160,000   £13,715,000   £2,743,000
18   Everton   £90,800,000   £80,816,000   £9,984,000   £1,996,800
19   Watford   £12,050,000   £12,300,000   -£250,000   -£50,000
20   Tottenham   £220,450,000   £276,850,000   -£56,400,000   -£11,280,000

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 08, 2015, 09:57:40 AM

On the one hand not a surprise we've done badly. On the other Swansea showing what an excellently run club they are

We'd have been much higher up the wages league I think, laughably

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passport1 on August 08, 2015, 10:10:33 AM

Especially as their average attendance is about 20k vs us 34k which emphasises what an appallingly badly run club we have been.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 08, 2015, 10:40:24 AM

things can only get  better?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 08, 2015, 10:56:22 AM

Well let's hope so. They could get worse in a fairly obvious way too

I don't think so though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 08, 2015, 01:26:52 PM

The table goes to prove that certainly for clubs outside of the top 4 that it isn't about net spend. It's about how you spend. And a few sides in there towards the bottom have done really well over the past five years without spending "net" much at all.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on August 08, 2015, 01:34:22 PM

On the above spending a few things stand out:

Southampton and Swansea have done well to bring in players at low cost and sell on at very good profit without affecting performances.

Everton being conservative but consistent.  I think this has been achieved off the back of playing the loan system very well.

Spurs have brought in a s*** load of money through sales but their purchases have not been at the same level and have seen them drop from a realistic top four challenger to no more than top six now.

West Ham, although a relative high net spend, have only been able to get to mid-table and not looking like a team that can feel secure there.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 08, 2015, 01:42:11 PM

West Ham are my outside tip to go down

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 08, 2015, 01:45:02 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on August 08, 2015, 01:42:11 PM

West Ham are my outside tip to go down

I think Bilic is a ticking time bomb, but for me of last seasons lot I think Leicester or Newcastle.And certainly the former. For as much of a twat Pearson was what he did with that lot was nothing short of sensational to keep them up. Ranieri is well past it and it's not like he took over a top half side. This lot when they slide will go if stays in charge for the full season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 08, 2015, 02:24:10 PM

Can't see Newcastle being involved.  They have some good players already and their signings are highly rated too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: richard moore on August 08, 2015, 02:42:34 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on August 08, 2015, 01:42:11 PM

West Ham are my outside tip to go down

They are mine every season. Think Newcastle will be ok, but agree about Leicester. I have a feeling Spurs may be a surprise in doing much worse than expected and if I had to pick one team to go the other way and be a surprise in doing much better than expected....it's us, particularly given that at least one pundit in the Times this morning had us going down

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 08, 2015, 02:42:47 PM

Newcastle will be alright.

I reckon Sunderland are potentially fucked this season, though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 08, 2015, 02:57:21 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 08, 2015, 02:42:47 PM

Newcastle will be alright.

I reckon Sunderland are potentially fucked this season, though.

I thought Fer and MVilla would have been a good central midfield behind Defoe but Fer failed his medical, so they will still rely on Cattermole to lead them. Hopefully that ends in catastrophe!

Leicester, West Ham, Norwich, Sunderland and Watford should all be below us come May.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 08, 2015, 04:20:27 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 08, 2015, 02:57:21 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 08, 2015, 02:42:47 PM

Newcastle will be alright.

I reckon Sunderland are potentially fucked this season, though.

I thought Fer and MVilla would have been a good central midfield behind Defoe but Fer failed his medical, so they will still rely on Cattermole to lead them. Hopefully that ends in catastrophe!

Leicester, West Ham, Norwich, Sunderland and Watford should all be below us come May.

Cattermole taken off after a calamitous 30 minutes today. Ouch!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on August 08, 2015, 05:03:55 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 08, 2015, 02:57:21 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 08, 2015, 02:42:47 PM

Newcastle will be alright.

I reckon Sunderland are potentially fucked this season, though.

I thought Fer and MVilla would have been a good central midfield behind Defoe but Fer failed his medical, so they will still rely on Cattermole to lead them. Hopefully that ends in catastrophe!

Leicester, West Ham, Norwich, Sunderland and Watford should all be below us come May.

I would add the Tesco Carrier Bags, Palace and possibly Newcastle to that list.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 08, 2015, 05:23:46 PM

It will be interesting to see if Tim goes for a keeper again having seen Brad's distribution today. I've been one of his supporters but he doesn't seem to be overcoming his issues and even seems to be going backwards.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on August 08, 2015, 05:27:18 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 08, 2015, 02:57:21 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 08, 2015, 02:42:47 PM

Newcastle will be alright.

I reckon Sunderland are potentially fucked this season, though.

I thought Fer and MVilla would have been a good central midfield behind Defoe but Fer failed his medical, so they will still rely on Cattermole to lead them. Hopefully that ends in catastrophe!

Leicester, West Ham, Norwich, Sunderland and Watford should all be below us come May.

West Ham have bought some very good players though, think Bilic is a fine appointment. Dont see them in trouble at all.

Fair enough its only based on today but Bournemouth will really struggle this season unless they strengthen significantly

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 08, 2015, 06:51:33 PM

Quote from: OCD on August 08, 2015, 05:23:46 PM

It will be interesting to see if Tim goes for a keeper again having seen Brad's distribution today. I've been one of his supporters but he doesn't seem to be overcoming his issues and even seems to be going backwards.

I've always rated Guzan but it looks like he's nervous, which is suicide for a keeper.
Let's hope a few solid games and he'll be ok.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 08, 2015, 07:21:10 PM

Quote from: Russ aka Big Nose on August 08, 2015, 05:03:55 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 08, 2015, 02:57:21 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 08, 2015, 02:42:47 PM

Newcastle will be alright.

I reckon Sunderland are potentially fucked this season, though.

I thought Fer and MVilla would have been a good central midfield behind Defoe but Fer failed his medical, so they will still rely on Cattermole to lead them. Hopefully that ends in catastrophe!

Leicester, West Ham, Norwich, Sunderland and Watford should all be below us come May.

I would add the Tesco Carrier Bags, Palace and possibly Newcastle to that list.

I really think they will be in trouble unless they strengthen significantly.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 08, 2015, 07:34:02 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on August 08, 2015, 07:21:10 PM

Quote from: Russ aka Big Nose on August 08, 2015, 05:03:55 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 08, 2015, 02:57:21 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 08, 2015, 02:42:47 PM

Newcastle will be alright.

I reckon Sunderland are potentially fucked this season, though.

I thought Fer and MVilla would have been a good central midfield behind Defoe but Fer failed his medical, so they will still rely on Cattermole to lead them. Hopefully that ends in catastrophe!

Leicester, West Ham, Norwich, Sunderland and Watford should all be below us come May.

I would add the Tesco Carrier Bags, Palace and possibly Newcastle to that list.

I really think they will be in trouble unless they strengthen significantly.

Yes, Asda's cope with a four-pinter of milk much better.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 08, 2015, 07:53:09 PM

You know what you get from a Pulis team though. 11 men behind the ball in away games and 1-0 wins in home games, often coming from set pieces. I don't see a Pulis team having to fight for their lives but I don't see them ever achieving anything more than mid-table either.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dekko on August 08, 2015, 07:54:32 PM

Yeah Boggies will finish somewhere between 10th and 15th.  Its Pulis.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 08, 2015, 11:23:40 PM

Tiny Penis. Boring bastard. Tesco bag wankers, only here to make up the numbers.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 08, 2015, 11:50:08 PM

I know we were in deep shit last season, but fuck me, I can't believe anyone really wanted Tony Fucking Pulis to take over.

He'd probably have kept us up, yes, but we'd be stuck with that miserable fucking anti-football for three years after.

What's the point if you're going to play like that? Negative and cynical, and you have to see that Sports Direct shopper baseball hatted twat sat in your dug out.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: warleyboy on August 09, 2015, 12:26:04 AM

I'm hoping we bring in a RB, GK and Lennon, and at a stretch maybe an English striker.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Monty on August 09, 2015, 12:33:18 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 08, 2015, 11:50:08 PM

I know we were in deep shit last season, but fuck me, I can't believe anyone really wanted Tony Fucking Pulis to take over.

He'd probably have kept us up, yes, but we'd be stuck with that miserable fucking anti-football for three years after.

What's the point if you're going to play like that? Negative and cynical, and you have to see that Sports Direct shopper baseball hatted twat sat in your dug out.

At the time I didn't want him to take over, but I honestly thought we were a) going down under Lambert and b) getting bought if we didn't go down, which would spell the end for Pulis. It seemed a lot more reasonable at the time, is what I mean, although I'm very glad he didn't come here.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 09, 2015, 12:40:00 AM

Quote from: warleyboy on August 09, 2015, 12:26:04 AM

I'm hoping we bring in a RB, GK and Lennon, and at a stretch maybe an English striker.

I'm curious, if you want the striker to be English, why isn't the nationality of our new goalkeeper and right-back important?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 09, 2015, 12:56:25 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 08, 2015, 11:50:08 PM

I know we were in deep shit last season, but fuck me, I can't believe anyone really wanted Tony Fucking Pulis to take over.

He'd probably have kept us up, yes, but we'd be stuck with that miserable fucking anti-football for three years after.

What's the point if you're going to play like that? Negative and cynical, and you have to see that Sports Direct shopper baseball hatted twat sat in your dug out.

I did, God knows I did. But I was flailing like a punch drunk drunk boxer at that point, and it only lasted about three days.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 09, 2015, 01:40:51 AM

Watching us today I thought had Gradel come on for us and not them we would have nicked a second and put it to bed, our wide players are too central focused. Sinclair, who I thought was a bit of an unsung hero with the sheer volume of work he did to help Amavi against their 2 down the right always looked to cut in at goal, where we needed someone to twist and take thier man down the line, while Gabby and Ayew looked to be coming into the striker position much more. I would love a couple of wingers even on loan between now and the end of the month just to give us more option in the way we set up and attack.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 09, 2015, 01:41:53 AM

Good call on Sinclair. He worked really hard today. An unsung hero of sorts.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villan from luton on August 09, 2015, 01:48:26 AM

Today was the first time I thought of Sinclair as a Aston Villa player. He didn't stop working down the flank. Good to have competition is it not and

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on August 09, 2015, 05:02:52 AM

Traore now to Liverpool. Who will it be tomorrow? Mason Holgate to Bournemouth for 1mil+add ons.Apart from still chasing Billy Big Potatoes Adebayor have we finished our dealings.

I do hope not.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 09, 2015, 07:31:05 AM

We could definitely do with more. A right sided attacker (we've only really got Bacuna, gabby, Ayew - none of whom fit the bill for me).

If a top class forward becomes available I'd do that deal too. But not one more for numbers' sake

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 09, 2015, 08:39:29 AM

Ayew's being written off after one game then.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 09, 2015, 09:05:45 AM

Quote from: OCD on August 09, 2015, 08:39:29 AM

Ayew's being written off after one game then.

put him in the bomb squad

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 09, 2015, 09:48:49 AM

Thing is watching us yesterday I could see how Lennon and Adebayor would both make us better going forward, so if we could do both I would. Right back is still a problem, and a central midfielder would be nice to allow Veretout to play further up, but this is all on one away game, so could be totally debunked come the end of the month.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tayls_7 on August 09, 2015, 09:50:09 AM

Quote from: OCD on August 09, 2015, 08:39:29 AM

Ayew's being written off after one game then.

Not written off but a player with such poor basic control of a football is concerning. We were warned his touch was woeful so let's hope his mercurial talents compensate.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: jcsutv on August 09, 2015, 09:56:39 AM

Quote from: villan from luton on August 09, 2015, 01:48:26 AM

Today was the first time I thought of Sinclair as a Aston Villa player. He didn't stop working down the flank. Good to have competition is it not and

Did you fall asleep mid sentence?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on August 09, 2015, 10:06:15 AM

If Grealish and/or Gil progress in the way we hope they would as no 10s, there won't be any need to try and get Veretout further forward: based on what we saw yesterday, he and Gueye have the potential to be a good midfield pairing against most sides.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 09, 2015, 10:07:46 AM

Looks ike Ayew has to be the scapegoat. One always seems to be needed.   To me in the two games I have seen him play he looks a massive improvement on Andi Weimann.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 09, 2015, 10:09:41 AM

Quote from: brian green on August 09, 2015, 10:07:46 AM

Looks ike Ayew has to be the scapegoat. One always seems to be needed.   To me in the two games I have seen him play he looks a massive improvement on Andi Weimann.

It's not a very high bar you've set there Brian

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ian. on August 09, 2015, 10:26:49 AM

Quote from: villan from luton on August 09, 2015, 01:48:26 AM

Today was the first time I thought of Sinclair as a Aston Villa player. He didn't stop working down the flank. Good to have competition is it not and

...

To be continued

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 09, 2015, 10:49:48 AM

I don't think there is anything wrong at all with Ayew's touch or movement. Fitness is big problem, along with Veretout and a few others, but you can see that the ability is there.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 09, 2015, 11:18:53 AM

I watched one of those scouting youtube things of Grealish yesterday and it is better than anything we have signed.
If we were buying him we would be very excited.  I think he and Gil should fight out the mercurial 'number 10' role and Sinclair/Ayew fight out the other pacy position.

Admittedly unproven but potentially very exciting.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villatillidie25 on August 09, 2015, 11:24:14 AM

I'd be tempted to start gil, grealish and ayew/sinclair in the odd home game with a midfield two of Sanchez and gueye. Veretout being an option instead of gil or grealish.
We need an out and out winger, although I would give gil that berth for the interim, as we don't really have a get to the by-line type of winger at the moment.
A right back would also be good as teams will target us there at the moment. Up front, we will be ok with what we have but if an up and coming superstar (Benteke mark ii) becomes available we are in a position to bring them in and break them in slowly.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: garyshawsknee on August 09, 2015, 11:32:07 AM

Talking of out and out wingers, Albrighton looked like he had a good game yesterday. For the amount of money a new contract would have cost us, it's shocking we let him go.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 09, 2015, 11:40:16 AM

I do keep forgetting we have Grealish and Gil to come back in, who are essentially the 2 most skilful and potentially exciting players at the club.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 09, 2015, 11:54:32 AM

Quote from: garyshawsknee on August 09, 2015, 11:32:07 AM

Talking of out and out wingers, Albrighton looked like he had a good game yesterday. For the amount of money a new contract would have cost us, it's shocking we let him go.

I like him. He works hard every game. Not the best player but he'll keep on looking to find half a yard and deliver. I think someone like Gestede could have a field day with him. I'd certainly have Alby in my squad over Cole, N'zogbia and Richardson.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 09, 2015, 12:07:50 PM

Quote from: garyshawsknee on August 09, 2015, 11:32:07 AM

Talking of out and out wingers, Albrighton looked like he had a good game yesterday. For the amount of money a new contract would have cost us, it's shocking we let him go.

Another who gets better with every game he doesn't play.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 09, 2015, 12:11:30 PM

Quote from: supertom on August 09, 2015, 11:54:32 AM

Quote from: garyshawsknee on August 09, 2015, 11:32:07 AM

Talking of out and out wingers, Albrighton looked like he had a good game yesterday. For the amount of money a new contract would have cost us, it's shocking we let him go.

I like him. He works hard every game. Not the best player but he'll keep on looking to find half a yard and deliver. I think someone like Gestede could have a field day with him. I'd certainly have Alby in my squad over Cole, N'zogbia and Richardson.

Its another where we let their contracts run down and when it came to renegotiation they wanted crazy money.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 09, 2015, 12:14:07 PM

I like Albrighton but you offer a player like him £40,000 a week and every other member of the squad will be demanding a payrise. Not the best of financial models for us trying to escape the effects of Black MONday.

EDIT: agree with the point re: we shouldn't be letting players' contracts run down to the position where they hold all the advantages. We do seem to be learning from that a bit though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dekko on August 09, 2015, 12:14:44 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 09, 2015, 12:07:50 PM

Quote from: garyshawsknee on August 09, 2015, 11:32:07 AM

Talking of out and out wingers, Albrighton looked like he had a good game yesterday. For the amount of money a new contract would have cost us, it's shocking we let him go.

Another who gets better with every game he doesn't play.

Well he was excellent yesterday, and by all accounts was one of the key players that kept Leicester up last season when they went on that run, so I'd say its a case of being a good player when he's fit and been given a run of games.  He was the only one of our players to emerge from the 13/14 run in with any credit too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on August 09, 2015, 12:39:53 PM

Quote from: dekko on August 09, 2015, 12:14:44 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 09, 2015, 12:07:50 PM

Quote from: garyshawsknee on August 09, 2015, 11:32:07 AM

Talking of out and out wingers, Albrighton looked like he had a good game yesterday. For the amount of money a new contract would have cost us, it's shocking we let him go.

Another who gets better with every game he doesn't play.

Well he was excellent yesterday, and by all accounts was one of the key players that kept Leicester up last season when they went on that run, so I'd say its a case of being a good player when he's fit and been given a run of games.  He was the only one of our players to emerge from the 13/14 run in with any credit too.

I think he was made to look better during that stretch, like Gil's first few games with us, from our complete lack of other ideas, so much so that just passing the ball to him and have him hit cross after cross into the box (which to be fair, he did a reasonably good job at) was a substantial improvement.

I'm pleased for him and no doubt he could've played a squad role as someone to stretch the defence and provide a good delivery for Benteke previously and now Gestede, but I don't think we're missed a trick with letting him move on.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: richard moore on August 09, 2015, 12:41:22 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 09, 2015, 12:07:50 PM

Quote from: garyshawsknee on August 09, 2015, 11:32:07 AM

Talking of out and out wingers, Albrighton looked like he had a good game yesterday. For the amount of money a new contract would have cost us, it's shocking we let him go.

Another who gets better with every game he doesn't play.

I agree, he's average at best. Great, he had a good game yesterday and a few at the end of last season but he's no great shakes in my view.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 09, 2015, 12:45:35 PM

I don't think it was so much letting his contract run down as he'd never really shown enough to offer him the sort of money he seems to have been looking for.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ktvillan on August 09, 2015, 12:47:04 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 09, 2015, 11:18:53 AM

I watched one of those scouting youtube things of Grealish yesterday and it is better than anything we have signed.
If we were buying him we would be very excited.  I think he and Gil should fight out the mercurial 'number 10' role and Sinclair/Ayew fight out the other pacy position.

Admittedly unproven but potentially very exciting.

Might not be the same one but the one I watched of Grealish hailed him as the new Cristiano Ronaldo.   There followed about 5 minutes of clips of him doing a lot of fancy turns, dribbles and feints, which looked great in themselves but there was little or no end product save for him being fouled a few times.  He usually ended up turning round and passing it sideways or backwards.   Very light on crosses, incisive passes and attempts on goal.  Undoubted potential but on this evidence and from what I've seen myself, the phrase "all fart and no shit" sprang to mind. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 09, 2015, 01:03:48 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 09, 2015, 12:45:35 PM

I don't think it was so much letting his contract run down as he'd never really shown enough to offer him the sort of money he seems to have been looking for.

I think him getting the rumoured £40K pw over there is as much a sign of Leicester's owners being desperate to get any element of PL experience in and doing a MON.

I don't recall anyone else being mentioned, and for that wage I'm not surprised. In the absence of Leicester, I reckon he'd have stayed for £20-25K as that would have been pretty much his best offer.

Still he got lucky with the deal and it looks like it's working out for him after injury so good luck to him. Just don't have your 1 game in 10 looking like the puppy's plums against us.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 09, 2015, 01:07:01 PM

Quote from: richard moore on August 09, 2015, 12:41:22 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 09, 2015, 12:07:50 PM

Quote from: garyshawsknee on August 09, 2015, 11:32:07 AM

Talking of out and out wingers, Albrighton looked like he had a good game yesterday. For the amount of money a new contract would have cost us, it's shocking we let him go.

Another who gets better with every game he doesn't play.

I agree, he's average at best. Great, he had a good game yesterday and a few at the end of last season but he's no great shakes in my view.

I don't think it was a hard decision for the club at the time, we were cost cutting and he didn't look like being a first team regular.
Having said that Albrighton could easily seek such a contract as he was a free transfer. So I don't think his demands were outrageous, just the market.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve R on August 09, 2015, 01:13:40 PM

He was a useful player and it's always nice to see a youther come through the ranks and play in the first team. But 40k a week useful? It was a reasonable decision at the time to say no, especially given the financial position we were in. His peer group today would have included the likes of  Amavi, Gueye and Veretout.  He's not in that class.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on August 09, 2015, 03:12:46 PM

Quote from: Steve Rose on August 09, 2015, 01:13:40 PM

He was a useful player and it's always nice to see a youther come through the ranks and play in the first team. But 40k a week useful? It was a reasonable decision at the time to say no, especially given the financial position we were in. His peer group today would have included the likes of  Amavi, Gueye and Veretout.  He's not in that class.

Exactly. Even if he might have signed a new deal at £25k a week based on who we have now he would not get in the match day squad for me.

I can't see who Albrighton would replace and that includes Richardson.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2015, 03:48:04 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on August 09, 2015, 01:03:48 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 09, 2015, 12:45:35 PM

I don't think it was so much letting his contract run down as he'd never really shown enough to offer him the sort of money he seems to have been looking for.

I think him getting the rumoured £40K pw over there is as much a sign of Leicester's owners being desperate to get any element of PL experience in and doing a MON.

I reckon that's exactly what it was.

He was never worth 40k a week, and although he has had decent spells there, i still haven't seen evidence to suggest he is now.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 09, 2015, 04:16:16 PM

Villa offered his worth. Leicester offered twice, and got the player. He gets way more freedom playing for them than he would Villa.

Interesting that Shaqiri is at Stoke. I would love it to mean Traore is coming to us.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: onje_villa on August 09, 2015, 04:19:45 PM

Quote from: brian green on August 09, 2015, 10:07:46 AM

Looks ike Ayew has to be the scapegoat. One always seems to be needed.   To me in the two games I have seen him play he looks a massive improvement on Andi Weimann.

Agreed, Ayew has talent and didn't even do too badly yesterday. Needs a few games under his belt and will be a different story. Formation also comes into. A lot of our forwards struggle as they would sooner play centrally and there simply arent enough places in the team. I still think Weimann is a good natural finisher but was pretty hopeless on the wing.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 09, 2015, 04:25:51 PM

If Lennon is available I think he would work well in our system

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 09, 2015, 04:29:32 PM

If Lennon is the answer, I really don't want to know the question, unless it's who's the biggest headless chicken in the PL

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on August 09, 2015, 04:58:57 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 09, 2015, 11:18:53 AM

I watched one of those scouting youtube things of Grealish yesterday and it is better than anything we have signed.
If we were buying him we would be very excited.  I think he and Gil should fight out the mercurial 'number 10' role and Sinclair/Ayew fight out the other pacy position.

Admittedly unproven but potentially very exciting.

It's very early days for the new signings. It can take a few months to adapt to the PL. Give players like Ayew a chance for heavens sake!!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2015, 05:12:08 PM

Quote from: Villafirst on August 09, 2015, 04:58:57 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 09, 2015, 11:18:53 AM

I watched one of those scouting youtube things of Grealish yesterday and it is better than anything we have signed.
If we were buying him we would be very excited.  I think he and Gil should fight out the mercurial 'number 10' role and Sinclair/Ayew fight out the other pacy position.

Admittedly unproven but potentially very exciting.

It's very early days for the new signings. It can take a few months to adapt to the PL. Give players like Ayew a chance for heavens sake!!

How on earth has he said anything there to suggest he doesn't want Ayew to get a chance?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 09, 2015, 05:28:04 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 09, 2015, 12:45:35 PM

I don't think it was so much letting his contract run down as he'd never really shown enough to offer him the sort of money he seems to have been looking for.

I was just about to chip in with something slightly along those lines. He'd never totally convinced me, slinging him £40k a week in an austerity drive was never going to happen

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Concrete John on August 09, 2015, 05:40:37 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 09, 2015, 11:18:53 AM

I watched one of those scouting youtube things of Grealish yesterday and it is better than anything we have signed.
If we were buying him we would be very excited.  I think he and Gil should fight out the mercurial 'number 10' role and Sinclair/Ayew fight out the other pacy position.

Admittedly unproven but potentially very exciting.

I think what we'll see, or at least what I'd like to see, is Grealish or Gil come in for Westwood to make it more of a genuine 4-2-3-1 when we feel we can be more attacking.  Or the 4-3-3 we saw yesterday when we want the solidity of three in the centre, with Veretout given more licence to get forward.  Gil and Grealish come into contention for one of the wide spots or as a game changing sub when we're not playing with a number 10.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on August 09, 2015, 05:49:52 PM

He might have asked for £40K (According to Albrighton himself, he said he had been offered no deal at all), but you generally ask for more than you are looking for at the start of any negotiation.

Clark and and some of the more recent signings pre French invasion signed on for £30k per week, and I reckon that or a figure close to it would have been enough to see him remain.

In an more attack minded team, I reckon he would thrive. Kind of like how is is now, in fact.

In his latter years with us, he had to endure McPish and than Lambert's Wingless Wonders.  Most attack minded players would struggle with that straightjacket.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 09, 2015, 06:10:57 PM

He was in the same pub as us before the L'pool semi, happy to chat with other Villa fans. He lost his mother in law in the Tunisia shootings didnt he?

Great crosser of the ball but never looked physically strong enough to help out defensively so made some daft tackles to compensate, a little like Lee Hendrie in that respect. Good luck to him if he got a 40k a week contract at Leics as he was never going to get that here and rightly so.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 09, 2015, 10:47:20 PM

Did Albrighton sign a new deal (i.e. a significant one after the typical youth ones) whilst Houliier (or MON) was about?
It might be that we over valued him at that point and therefore could not justify raising his wage, hence him leaving to someone who would.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 09, 2015, 10:53:46 PM

I think he did when he first came through.

The mail are running that Sherwood wants English players in if any more arrive this month, and that he still wants Townsend, Lescott and Carroll. All 3 would be decent additions from what I have seen of them, and would give crosses for Rudy, extra stability at the back and options in midfield.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt C on August 09, 2015, 11:02:46 PM

Wilson on loan from Man Utd mentioned in that piece too. Can't say I've seen much of him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris Smith on August 09, 2015, 11:27:31 PM

Albrighton has hardly set the place alight since he joined Leicester, seems to have been used more as a sub than a regular starter.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 09, 2015, 11:32:07 PM

Quote from: Chris Smith on August 09, 2015, 11:27:31 PM

Albrighton has hardly set the place alight since he joined Leicester, seems to have been used more as a sub than a regular starter.

He was injured a lot last season. Him coming into the side pretty much coincided with their great run at the end of last season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TonyD on August 09, 2015, 11:43:26 PM

Tim, sign Shelvey from Swansea please.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 10, 2015, 01:42:51 AM

Quote from: TonyD on August 09, 2015, 11:43:26 PM

Tim, sign Shelvey from Swansea please.

I agree. Dynamic, better player than he gets credit for. Strong too. Ideal type of player for Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: richard moore on August 10, 2015, 08:41:53 AM

Quote from: TonyD on August 09, 2015, 11:43:26 PM

Tim, sign Shelvey from Swansea please.

Much better than I, and almost everyone else on here, thought he was certainly

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 10, 2015, 08:50:20 AM

And not a chance of getting him. Really good player with moments of really poor play intertwined into him. While he would be excellent players at the moment are not going to leave Swansea for us. Nor could we afford him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eamonn on August 10, 2015, 09:13:21 AM

Pretty sure it was Lambert who made the decision on Albrighton,  the player himself said no offer was made so it didn't get to the stage where he asked for £40k, which seems pretty unlikely anyway.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 10, 2015, 10:27:54 AM

Any rumours about? 
It seems very quiet which is understandable considering the quantity of players we have signed.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 10, 2015, 10:30:53 AM

Picture of Sanchez with Chelsea's Juan Cuadrado this weekend. Hope he's tapping him up!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: MoetVillan on August 10, 2015, 10:31:57 AM

Why would Sanchez want to go to Chelsea?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 10, 2015, 10:55:41 AM

Quote from: Newby on August 10, 2015, 01:42:51 AM

Quote from: TonyD on August 09, 2015, 11:43:26 PM

Tim, sign Shelvey from Swansea please.

I agree. Dynamic, better player than he gets credit for. Strong too. Ideal type of player for Villa.

Why on earth would he want to leave Swansea for us? I'd prioritise right mid, centre fwd and right / centre back first. We've got a lot of central midfielders and need to give them a chance to bed in

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 10, 2015, 11:08:42 AM

someone who claims to have a family member working at Villa has said on VT we are close to a deal for Traore.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 10, 2015, 11:08:49 AM

Shelvey, for me, is one of those players who looks really good when he plays for a team that you don't watch a lot of.  When you catch them on motd he's involved and he does decent stuff at other times but you don't really see the games where he does very little.

Personally I think Gueye and Veretout will both be as good or better than him and they're the players he be competing with so he's not worth the money it would cost to convince them to sell.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on August 10, 2015, 11:17:23 AM

Whilst not being top notch Shelvey would have walked into our midfield over the last few years

The only reason he got slagged on here was because  footyskills lumped him in with Atidore and some other useless player

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 10, 2015, 11:19:46 AM

Anderlecht have made Praet available for just £7m - sign him up Tim!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 10, 2015, 11:22:25 AM

Quote from: john e on August 10, 2015, 11:17:23 AM

The only reason he got slagged on here was because  footyskills lumped him in with Atidore and some other useless player

To be fair to our resident Altidore fan club secretary I thought Shelvey was useless before he mentioned him. Went to an Under 21's England match once and had to ask somebody who the old bloke who kept giving the ball away was,it was Shelvey. He has definitely improved.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 10, 2015, 11:26:52 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 10, 2015, 11:19:46 AM

Anderlecht have made Praet available for just £7m - sign him up Tim!

7m for Praet looks a steal doesn't it, I really hope we go back in for him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 10, 2015, 11:48:51 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 10, 2015, 11:08:42 AM

someone who claims to have a family member working at Villa has said on VT we are close to a deal for Traore.

Is that the one taking it from a post on reddit? If so, I think we can safely assume it is highly unlikely.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 10, 2015, 11:59:34 AM

I like the look of Praet but I can't help but think that anyone who signs him has picked the wrong Anderlecht midfielder, Tielemans looks like a superstar in the making to me.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 10, 2015, 12:01:29 PM

even so, £7m would be good business I think

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Smirker on August 10, 2015, 12:09:35 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 09, 2015, 11:18:53 AM

I watched one of those scouting youtube things of Grealish yesterday and it is better than anything we have signed.
If we were buying him we would be very excited.  I think he and Gil should fight out the mercurial 'number 10' role and Sinclair/Ayew fight out the other pacy position.

Admittedly unproven but potentially very exciting.

Can you post the video please?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 10, 2015, 12:17:00 PM

You do wonder why they've made him available for such a low fee (praet)

Would prioritise other positions personally

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on August 10, 2015, 12:38:05 PM

I think a right winger is our priority for the final three weeks of the window: Ayew and Gabby can play there but they'll mostly be honing in on goal, Gil will drift centrally to link up play, but we don't really have someone who can stretch the defence, run at defenders and put in crosses. Bacuna can do that from right back, but obviously he's not going to be viable there every game.

Of our other holes, I'm reasonably comfortable with having Gestede and Ayew at CF (although if the right player becomes available...); Sanchez and Westwood battling it out for the third midfield spot; five CBs; and Bacuna/Hutton taking turns out at RB (though again, if we do have money and there's a RB with the sort of age/pedigree mix Amavi has...)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 10, 2015, 01:42:45 PM

Quote from: TheMalandro on August 10, 2015, 10:30:53 AM

Picture of Sanchez with Chelsea's Juan Cuadrado this weekend. Hope he's tapping him up!

Not a bad shout that.  I don't think Cuadrado is good enough for Chelsea, but he would be good enough for us.
That said he would arguably be competing with 2 new signings in Sinclair and Ayew, so probably best to get the most out of them first.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 10, 2015, 01:59:33 PM

Cuardrado if you could get him playing is a bloody brilliant player. Would love him at Villa, but think it is pretty unlikely!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 10, 2015, 02:38:47 PM

so from the feedback on this topic we need a

1. Right back version of  Jordan Amavi
2. A better goalkeeper with ball skills than Guzan (Arsenal Colombian Goalkeeper ?)
3. A Right Side Central half to compete with Richards, Okore, Baker and Clark (and Philippe
Senderos to leave)
4. A Winger with Pace probably Lennon/Townsend/Both
5. Dennis  Praet to increase choice in Midfield
6. A Central forward to play with Kozak/Rudy and replace Agbonlahor. Diego Rollan ?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Quiet Lion on August 10, 2015, 03:00:25 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 10, 2015, 02:38:47 PM

so from the feedback on this topic we need a

4. A Winger with Pace probably Lennon/Townsend/Both

The only thing worse than signing Lennon or Townsend would be if we signed both

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SirSteveUK on August 10, 2015, 03:27:51 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 10, 2015, 11:08:42 AM

someone who claims to have a family member working at Villa has said on VT we are close to a deal for Traore.

I thought the dippers  were back in for him?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 10, 2015, 03:43:28 PM

possibly as this rumour is thought to be more playground bullshit

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 10, 2015, 04:08:54 PM

Didn't Tim just say any new additions will most likely be English?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 10, 2015, 04:16:08 PM

He did. I reckon he is holding out to get Townsend, he made very complimentary comments about him last season. I will probably be proved wrong, but I think that is who he wants and if Adebayor reduces his demands/ the deal becomes viable that will happen too. I would love some of the other names, Traore, Praet, Balanta etc but I think now we are into the season he will go for a couple of players he knows, if they are obtainable.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 10, 2015, 04:43:32 PM

Albion sign Rondon and Gnabry. Both really good signings for them, would have liked both at Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: David_Nab on August 10, 2015, 04:50:55 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 10, 2015, 04:43:32 PM

Albion sign Rondon and Gnabry. Both really good signings for them, would have liked both at Villa.

They done ok there , but will lose Berahino to fund it I suspect.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Diablo on August 10, 2015, 04:53:02 PM

Quote from: David_Nab on August 10, 2015, 04:50:55 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 10, 2015, 04:43:32 PM

Albion sign Rondon and Gnabry. Both really good signings for them, would have liked both at Villa.

They done ok there , but will lose Berahino to fund it I suspect.

Lescott?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 10, 2015, 04:53:48 PM

I hope so. Can't have them having too many decent players!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Monty on August 10, 2015, 05:02:51 PM

I'm starting to agree on Rodgers. He sounds good about football, but actually he seems to me now like a pretentious version of Garry Monk. He's still better than Paul Lambert, but that's not saying much.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 10, 2015, 05:08:27 PM

he's the compleat knobhead; compleat, as in the compleat angler.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: in exile on August 10, 2015, 05:21:33 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 10, 2015, 05:08:27 PM

he's the compleat knobhead; compleat, as in the compleat angler.

No, that was Izaak Walton. He's more like Izaak Hunt

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 10, 2015, 05:22:08 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 10, 2015, 04:43:32 PM

Albion sign Rondon and Gnabry. Both really good signings for them, would have liked both at Villa.

Fingers crossed that it pans out similar to that Ideye fella.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 10, 2015, 05:25:58 PM

Again, is it just me, or am the only one who has never heard of Condom?  Much like the players we signed in fact.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ExclDawg on August 10, 2015, 05:26:16 PM

Not sure how rag-worthy the Metro is, but they're saying this deal is just about done for Praet:
http://metro.co.uk/2015/08/10/aston-villa-cleared-to-sign-dennis-praet-with-anderlecht-willing-to-sell-5335421/

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 10, 2015, 05:27:25 PM

If we sign Praet and he proves vulnerable Sanchez will have to be the Praetorian Guard.  TBAR eat your hearts out. A Latin pun.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 10, 2015, 05:29:08 PM

Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on August 10, 2015, 05:25:58 PM

Again, is it just me, or am the only one who has never heard of Condom?  Much like the players we signed in fact.

He's permanently transfer listed at Zenit, with no takers in my Championship Manager game.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 10, 2015, 05:38:07 PM

Quote from: ExclDawg on August 10, 2015, 05:26:16 PM

Not sure how rag-worthy the Metro is, but they're saying this deal is just about done for Praet:
http://metro.co.uk/2015/08/10/aston-villa-cleared-to-sign-dennis-praet-with-anderlecht-willing-to-sell-5335421/

That'd be phenomenal. Author looks a bit like a dweeb, I proceed with caution.  ;D

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 10, 2015, 06:01:11 PM

Quote from: ExclDawg on August 10, 2015, 05:26:16 PM

Not sure how rag-worthy the Metro is, but they're saying this deal is just about done for Praet:
http://metro.co.uk/2015/08/10/aston-villa-cleared-to-sign-dennis-praet-with-anderlecht-willing-to-sell-5335421/

They're the absolute worst in recycled, SEO football stories. There is literally nobody worse.

I'd believe that story about the Villa subreddit or a TBAR ITK exclusive long before any transfer exclusive that the Metro prints.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ExclDawg on August 10, 2015, 06:10:21 PM

Thanks Dave.  Living across the pond, I don't know these sort of things.  ;D

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 10, 2015, 07:12:52 PM

Weren't the Metro reporting that Praet was about to sign for Baggies last week?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on August 10, 2015, 07:44:53 PM

Interesting how the transfer market works. All this speculation about Adama Traore has been going on for about three weeks and yet despite being apparently much admired he has gone nowhere at all. The three clubs known to have shown a keen interest that is Stoke,Liverpool, and ourselves have so far not completed a deal. As Stoke have made a major signing today I doubt if they will have the money. Liverpool despite spending big probably do have the funds. We too could have the funds to get him to B6. It would be fascinating to be a fly on the wall in Tom Fox's office to see how he negotiates with the selling club in any deal. I am sure this is the winger who could set Villa Park alight with his extravagant skills and power.

But will it happen?  He has to go somewhere why not Aston Villa?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 10, 2015, 09:31:23 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 10, 2015, 11:19:46 AM

Anderlecht have made Praet available for just £7m - sign him up Tim!

If he's the last of our business I'd probably be happy.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 10, 2015, 09:38:37 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 10, 2015, 09:31:23 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 10, 2015, 11:19:46 AM

Anderlecht have made Praet available for just £7m - sign him up Tim!

If he's the last of our business I'd probably be happy.

If we got him and the inevitable Adebayor I would think we could not have really hoped for more from the window.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: oldtimernow on August 10, 2015, 09:39:04 PM

 Really?


c'mon Villa get him in for this reason alone ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 10, 2015, 09:43:10 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 10, 2015, 09:38:37 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 10, 2015, 09:31:23 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 10, 2015, 11:19:46 AM

Anderlecht have made Praet available for just £7m - sign him up Tim!

If he's the last of our business I'd probably be happy.

If we got him and the inevitable Adebayor I would think we could not have really hoped for more from the window.

Adebayor will go to 31 Aug no doubt.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 10, 2015, 09:48:11 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 10, 2015, 09:43:10 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 10, 2015, 09:38:37 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 10, 2015, 09:31:23 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 10, 2015, 11:19:46 AM

Anderlecht have made Praet available for just £7m - sign him up Tim!

If he's the last of our business I'd probably be happy.

If we got him and the inevitable Adebayor I would think we could not have really hoped for more from the window.

Adebayor will go to 31 Aug no doubt.

About half 9 in the evening the paperwork will be pending on the 2nd Sept no doubt. But Praet in there with him would be a cherry on the summer cake.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PGW on August 10, 2015, 09:50:18 PM

I'm a bit confused...senility setting in....but who then is the Praet at West Ham??

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 10, 2015, 09:51:33 PM

Agree re Praet.
The other bit is just a poker game with Levy til 31 Aug.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: timeoutbigbar on August 10, 2015, 09:53:18 PM

Quote from: PGW on August 10, 2015, 09:50:18 PM

I'm a bit confused...senility setting in....but who then is the Praet at West Ham??

That'd be Payet, older player from the French league.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 10, 2015, 09:54:00 PM

Quote from: PGW on August 10, 2015, 09:50:18 PM

I'm a bit confused...senility setting in....but who then is the Praet at West Ham??

Payet - came from Marseilles I think?? Different player, but bloody talented too.

Praet is a young attacking midfielder/ winger from Anderlect

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 10, 2015, 09:55:26 PM

Quote from: PGW on August 10, 2015, 09:50:18 PM

I'm a bit confused...senility setting in....but who then is the Praet at West Ham??

Different player, but a very good one by the look of him yesterday.

Think it's spelled Prayet.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 10, 2015, 10:11:23 PM

What position is this Praet fella?  There's only so many attacking midfielder's we can keep happy (and improve).  Unless he can play on the wing I can't help thinking he would just stunt the prospects of another youngster.

Mind you at 7m he and Grealsih could dovetail for one position.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on August 10, 2015, 10:40:40 PM

Quote from: timeoutbigbar on August 10, 2015, 09:53:18 PM

Quote from: PGW on August 10, 2015, 09:50:18 PM

I'm a bit confused...senility setting in....but who then is the Praet at West Ham??

That'd be Payet, older player from the French league.

Was his dad the boss? As in Praet a Manager? Think he makes sandwiches too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 10, 2015, 10:41:51 PM

Plays either 10 out wide left. I think he would add options to that area where Gill and Grealish are at the moment. Knows how to beat a man and play a final ball.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: nodge on August 10, 2015, 10:47:19 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 10, 2015, 09:51:33 PM

Agree re Praet.
The other bit is just a poker game with Levy til 31 Aug.

1st September 6pm transfer window slams shut this year.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 10, 2015, 11:17:17 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 10, 2015, 09:55:26 PM

Quote from: PGW on August 10, 2015, 09:50:18 PM

I'm a bit confused...senility setting in....but who then is the Praet at West Ham??

Different player, but a very good one by the look of him yesterday.

Think it's spelled Prayet.

Nah that's Gus Payet who plays with Diego Prayet....

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 11, 2015, 05:20:32 AM

The Mirror ( I know) are suggesting Spurs are favourites to sign Breel Embolo for £10m. I thought a £13m bid from Juventus had already been rejected? Very pissed off if he ends up at (puke) 'The Lane@.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Eckybloke on August 11, 2015, 01:20:00 PM

Am I the only one concerned by the number of Adama Traore's on Wikipedia?  Are we sure we're getting the right one?

 ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 11, 2015, 01:30:13 PM

Quote from: nodge on August 10, 2015, 10:47:19 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 10, 2015, 09:51:33 PM

Agree re Praet.
The other bit is just a poker game with Levy til 31 Aug.

1st September 6pm transfer window slams shut this year.

Jim White is getting his suit ready as we speak. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Concrete John on August 11, 2015, 01:33:28 PM

Quote from: Eckybloke on August 11, 2015, 01:20:00 PM

Am I the only one concerned by the number of Adama Traore's on Wikipedia?  Are we sure we're getting the right one?

 ;)

I want the one who commanded the Galactica.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 11, 2015, 01:34:23 PM

Quote from: nodge on August 10, 2015, 10:47:19 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 10, 2015, 09:51:33 PM

Agree re Praet.
The other bit is just a poker game with Levy til 31 Aug.

1st September 6pm transfer window slams shut this year.

Or Eastie day as it's otherwise known.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: enigma on August 11, 2015, 01:36:23 PM

Quote from: Duncan Shaw on August 11, 2015, 12:08:58 PM

Wow hope it happens.

I still can't believe Sturk are signing Shaqiri - he's proper class!

Same here. Can't quite believe they will have Shaqiri and Afellay. Not your stereotypical Stoke players. They're both good enough for Champions League level clubs. Just shows the power of this new TV deal.

Anyway, getting very excited about this Traore. Really hope it comes off.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 11, 2015, 01:38:28 PM

Quote from: Eckybloke on August 11, 2015, 01:20:00 PM

Am I the only one concerned by the number of Adama Traore's on Wikipedia?  Are we sure we're getting the right one?

 ;)

12 months ago I wouldn't have bet on it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: *shellac* on August 11, 2015, 01:56:54 PM

If Lambert is still the manager, we will probably get Djimi Traore, who has retired recently.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 11, 2015, 02:27:07 PM

Reported that A. Traore has a 6 million Euro released clause.

We should bid 8 million to make sure we get him instead of Liverpool & Stoke.

 ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2015, 02:33:08 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on August 11, 2015, 02:27:07 PM

Reported that A. Traore has a 6 million Euro released clause.

We should bid 8 million to make sure we get him instead of Liverpool & Stoke.

 ;)

Whatever the actual price when you look at what has been spent on domestic players, it appears we have not only intelligently scouted but we are taking advantage of the weakened Euro in our spending plans.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 11, 2015, 02:33:19 PM

Quote from: *shellac* on August 11, 2015, 01:56:54 PM

If Lambert is still the manager, we will probably get Djimi Traore, who has retired recently.

If Lambert was still manager he'd be looking to buy A Tractor.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 11, 2015, 02:43:15 PM

Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 11, 2015, 02:33:19 PM

Quote from: *shellac* on August 11, 2015, 01:56:54 PM

If Lambert is still the manager, we will probably get Djimi Traore, who has retired recently.

If Lambert was still manager he'd be looking to buy A Tractor.

"He gets up and down the pitch, he's what I like to call a 'tractor'."

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ExclDawg on August 11, 2015, 03:48:18 PM

Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 11, 2015, 02:33:19 PM

Quote from: *shellac* on August 11, 2015, 01:56:54 PM

If Lambert is still the manager, we will probably get Djimi Traore, who has retired recently.

If Lambert was still manager he'd be looking to buy A Tractor.

Well in his defense ... everyone did tell him to sod off.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 11, 2015, 04:26:06 PM

Have we ever been this adventurous in the transfer market before? I mean we have signed some good players at arguably their peak but I can't remember us ever being this genuinely gutsy in a summer. We have bought one player you could say is a sure thing in Richard and even then played him in what many would think is a gamblers role. But at the same time we have signed 4 or 5 players that from their scouting reports and reports from other fans could well go on to be genuinely to 4-6 players in a couple of years. Sherwood must have weighed up the potential reward and possible pitfall of the strategy and I admire him for have the guys to gamble on it in such a big way. This summer will define his time at Villa and possibly his managerial career. The easy thing would have been to sign some ex players and aim around 14th and claim it as successful. Ib really hope it works.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2015, 04:34:23 PM

we've been this adventurous but I don't if we have ever done it all in one go. More than the adventurous bit is that at the start of this window and then certainly after Delph and Benteke departed in quick order none of us saw what was next. We'd signed Micah Richards and firmed up Sinclair but we all knew that was never going be enough. The fact that we had a plan, executed it almost perfectly with some young, talented players has been the most impressive piece to all of this. The manager, his staff and the board all seem to be on the same page, and what this has done has almost pushed the possible sale of the club to the back page. If Randy remained at the club and maintained his support like this, with Fox running  the show, would anyone really have an issue with his ownership going forward?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on August 11, 2015, 04:41:24 PM

Well so far he has bought Gueye and Amavi  both of whom have received excellent reviews from the sporting media. He has bought Veretout
who is very highly thought of in France as a future French international, and hopefully will be signing Traore who has fast skills in abundance.

If Ayew lives up ,in time, to his big fee we could have quite a team.

With Gil and Grealish to re appear as well!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2015, 04:51:09 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2015, 04:34:23 PM

The manager, his staff and the board all seem to be on the same page, and what this has done has almost pushed the possible sale of the club to the back page. If Randy remained at the club and maintained his support like this, with Fox running  the show, would anyone really have an issue with his ownership going forward?

It is good thus far this summer, but let's not forget, we've spent - net - only a bit more than we've received in sales.

If we are going make a judgement on whether we feel good about going forward like this, it depends what happens between now and the end of the window, but also what happens in windows when we don't raise 45m - 50m from player sales.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 11, 2015, 04:57:02 PM

I want Villa to get Embolo, Traore, Praet and Right Back over next few weeks then it should be fine for the season :)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2015, 05:00:33 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2015, 04:51:09 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2015, 04:34:23 PM

The manager, his staff and the board all seem to be on the same page, and what this has done has almost pushed the possible sale of the club to the back page. If Randy remained at the club and maintained his support like this, with Fox running  the show, would anyone really have an issue with his ownership going forward?

It is good thus far this summer, but let's not forget, we've spent - net - only a bit more than we've received in sales.

If we are going make a judgement on whether we feel good about going forward like this, it depends what happens between now and the end of the window, but also what happens in windows when we don't raise 45m - 50m from player sales.

I don't see it as net spend. For me it's what you do with the money you have however you received it. Whether it is commercial revenue, prize money or player sales. If we buy good players and in 2 to 3 years we sell them for an enormous profit and then use that income intelligently to strengthen then we should get better all the time. Like this summer we look at least on paper to be a much better squad than last year and yet our net spend may not much more than 10-15m. It's when clubs spend what they don't have and don't really improve (QPR), or when they completely blow what they receive from sales on naff (Aston Villa in the past few years) that causes them to get into difficulties.

There are off course going to be years we don't have the sale windfall, but then the task as a club to keep up will be through intelligently spending a percentage of its revenues which one would hope will continue to grow as we get better.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2015, 05:05:52 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2015, 05:00:33 PM

There are off course going to be years we don't have the sale windfall, but then the task as a club to keep up will be through intelligently spending a percentage of its revenues which one would hope will continue to grow as we get better.

My standpoint is that when we see evidence of that, that'll be the time to judge them. Until then, based on recent times, I'm remaining hopeful but at the same time sceptical.

You don't even get to do the right thing with money if you don't get it in the first place, so - if you are judging based on how we act in the transfer market - it is always going to be about how much of the money we have available at that point we opt to invest in the team.

The last few years, it hasn't been very much. This summer it is more impressive but again, we've had a windfall.

It would be like judging Tottenham's spending based on last summer, when they'd raked in £100m more from player sales than they normally get because they sold Bale and spent the money they got for him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 11, 2015, 05:06:01 PM

and we want to sell our player for 30+ million every 2 year as it mean we are doing well and our players are in strong demand. That would be great for club growth.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 11, 2015, 05:09:00 PM

fuck me this could be another exciting few days; according to Foot Mercato we've made an approach for Monaco's Aymen Abdennour

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 11, 2015, 05:12:11 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 11, 2015, 04:57:02 PM

I want Villa to get Embolo, Traore, Praet and Right Back over next few weeks then it should be fine for the season :)

Who does Right Back play for?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2015, 05:14:22 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 11, 2015, 05:09:00 PM

fuck me this could be another exciting few days; according to Foot Mercato we've made an approach for Monaco's Aymen Abdennour

Every time someone posts something like this, about a player I've never heard of, I find myself slowly and carefully reading their name in case it is just someone resurrecting the annual "I've heard we are signing *insert word for nobody in a foreign language here*" game we have!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2015, 05:15:45 PM

Apparently Monaco want 25m euros for ^^^^ him.

Central defender.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SamTheMouse on August 11, 2015, 05:18:07 PM

Crazy money, but he's a brilliant defender, absolutely superb. Monaco's best player last season, in my opinion.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: *shellac* on August 11, 2015, 05:18:26 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 11, 2015, 05:09:00 PM

fuck me this could be another exciting few days; according to Foot Mercato we've made an approach for Monaco's Aymen Abdennour

I was expecting Peter Hook actually.  Didn't Tim said something about English players?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2015, 05:18:32 PM

Apparently Juventus are after him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 11, 2015, 05:22:05 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2015, 05:18:32 PM

Apparently Juventus are after him.

And who do they have that serenades potential new signings with Bryan Adams songs. Eh? EH?!?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 11, 2015, 05:22:09 PM

I don't know who is the right back :) we want to buy as we do need one. ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 11, 2015, 05:25:15 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 11, 2015, 04:57:02 PM

I want Villa to get Embolo, Traore, Praet and Right Back over next few weeks then it should be fine for the season :)

If that happens would be the best transfer window ever

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: *shellac* on August 11, 2015, 05:28:15 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 11, 2015, 05:25:15 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 11, 2015, 04:57:02 PM

I want Villa to get Embolo, Traore, Praet and Right Back over next few weeks then it should be fine for the season :)

If that happens would be the best transfer window ever

I will be very happy if we get two out of the four.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 11, 2015, 05:34:33 PM

Apart from Mason Holgate have we been linked to any quality right back yet. Just asking.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on August 11, 2015, 05:35:47 PM

It is stated that both Roma and Barca are in for him, apparently we are " waiting for the green light from his (Abdennour ) agents" concerneding whether or not we should make an approach..
I,m beginning to feel like someone who has spent far to long at the 'all you can eat'  transfer buffet.........Godzvilla!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frank black on August 11, 2015, 05:46:28 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 11, 2015, 05:25:15 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 11, 2015, 04:57:02 PM

I want Villa to get Embolo, Traore, Praet and Right Back over next few weeks then it should be fine for the season :)

If that happens would be the best transfer window ever

If Carlsberg did transfer windows.......

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 11, 2015, 06:00:24 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 11, 2015, 04:57:02 PM

I want Villa to get Embolo, Traore, Praet and Right Back over next few weeks then it should be fine for the season :)

I want Jürgen Klopp as manager.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 11, 2015, 06:08:18 PM

That a bit greedy and Tim should be given a chance to stamp his team first. Jurgen can take over if Tim is not getting the result but it is too early ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 11, 2015, 06:10:20 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 11, 2015, 06:08:18 PM

That a bit greedy and Tim should be given a chance to stamp his team first. Jurgen can take over if Tim is not getting the result but it is too early ;)

Fcuk Tim, he had his chance, served his purpose, let's not go with this 'stability' bullshit again.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 11, 2015, 06:11:26 PM

Can't believe we're still shopping..

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 11, 2015, 06:23:25 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2015, 05:14:22 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 11, 2015, 05:09:00 PM

fuck me this could be another exciting few days; according to Foot Mercato we've made an approach for Monaco's Aymen Abdennour

Every time someone posts something like this, about a player I've never heard of, I find myself slowly and carefully reading their name in case it is just someone resurrecting the annual "I've heard we are signing *insert word for nobody in a foreign language here*" game we have!

I'm surprised you've not come across him on FIFA.

If you play against a Ligue 1 team, he's always the other centre-back with David Luiz if they can't afford Thiago Silva ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 11, 2015, 07:03:21 PM

This would suggest that either Baker on Loan or Senderos are likely to be on the way out.  I could live with that.  For me I'd be happy with Traore and then a couple of English youngsters (where we have gaps in the academy) being the rest of our business.  I want to see Bacuna, Clark, Westwood, Gil and Grealish all get a good chance to show they can be part of things for a side that's going in the right direction, they're all young enough to be a big part of the club for years and they've all shown flashes of quality.  Many signings beyond what we have and we're in danger of throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt C on August 11, 2015, 07:09:10 PM

You've got to think if we're still looking at bringing a few in then the likes of Senderos, Tonev and N'Zogbia are going to be moved on, somehow. Maybe Kozak on loan too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 11, 2015, 07:13:06 PM

Quote from: Matt C on August 11, 2015, 07:09:10 PM

You've got to think if we're still looking at bringing a few in then the likes of Senderos, Tonev and N'Zogbia are going to be moved on, somehow. Maybe Kozak on loan too.

Tonev definitely as he's not been given a squad number.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 11, 2015, 07:22:11 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2015, 04:51:09 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2015, 04:34:23 PM

The manager, his staff and the board all seem to be on the same page, and what this has done has almost pushed the possible sale of the club to the back page. If Randy remained at the club and maintained his support like this, with Fox running  the show, would anyone really have an issue with his ownership going forward?

It is good thus far this summer, but let's not forget, we've spent - net - only a bit more than we've received in sales.

If we are going make a judgement on whether we feel good about going forward like this, it depends what happens between now and the end of the window, but also what happens in windows when we don't raise 45m - 50m from player sales.

With a bit of luck we have built the foundations of a good squad and hopefully won't need to spend that kind of money in future windows.  If this group of players develops well, we will only need the odd signing here or there to strengthen the side of replace any players that move on.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 11, 2015, 07:30:18 PM

A loan to a southern European club might help Libor. Slower paced football and some warm sunshine could assist his rehabilitation.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: onje_villa on August 11, 2015, 07:32:50 PM

Quote from: villadelph on August 11, 2015, 06:11:26 PM

Can't believe we're still shopping..

This. Doesn't feel Villa does it? Bloody brilliant! :D

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Fasth56 on August 11, 2015, 07:53:00 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on August 11, 2015, 07:22:11 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2015, 04:51:09 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2015, 04:34:23 PM

The manager, his staff and the board all seem to be on the same page, and what this has done has almost pushed the possible sale of the club to the back page. If Randy remained at the club and maintained his support like this, with Fox running  the show, would anyone really have an issue with his ownership going forward?

It is good thus far this summer, but let's not forget, we've spent - net - only a bit more than we've received in sales.

If we are going make a judgement on whether we feel good about going forward like this, it depends what happens between now and the end of the window, but also what happens in windows when we don't raise 45m - 50m from player sales.

With a bit of luck we have built the foundations of a good squad and hopefully won't need to spend that kind of money in future windows.  If this group of players develops well, we will only need the odd signing here or there to strengthen the side of replace any players that move on.

Hopefully it will be the odd signing for the first team, but we should also be looking to bring in 2 or 3 young players from Europe per year to ensure continuity and for future sales revenue.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 11, 2015, 08:08:10 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2015, 05:15:45 PM

Apparently Monaco want 25m euros for ^^^^ him.

Central defender.

If we bid that for him I'm gonna start wondering if we've been nearly taken over by people who don't want to be negotiating from a position of 'look at all our fucking money'.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2015, 08:10:28 PM

Quote from: Dave on August 11, 2015, 06:23:25 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2015, 05:14:22 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 11, 2015, 05:09:00 PM

fuck me this could be another exciting few days; according to Foot Mercato we've made an approach for Monaco's Aymen Abdennour

Every time someone posts something like this, about a player I've never heard of, I find myself slowly and carefully reading their name in case it is just someone resurrecting the annual "I've heard we are signing *insert word for nobody in a foreign language here*" game we have!

I'm surprised you've not come across him on FIFA.

If you play against a Ligue 1 team, he's always the other centre-back with David Luiz if they can't afford Thiago Silva ;)

I haven't played UT for a long time now, I'm all about Seasons.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2015, 08:11:14 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 11, 2015, 08:08:10 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2015, 05:15:45 PM

Apparently Monaco want 25m euros for ^^^^ him.

Central defender.

If we bid that for him I'm gonna start wondering if we've been nearly taken over by people who don't want to be negotiating from a position of 'look at all our fucking money'.

Yes, I think you're right. I too will start wondering the same.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on August 11, 2015, 08:29:51 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2015, 08:11:14 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 11, 2015, 08:08:10 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2015, 05:15:45 PM

Apparently Monaco want 25m euros for ^^^^ him.

Central defender.

If we bid that for him I'm gonna start wondering if we've been nearly taken over by people who don't want to be negotiating from a position of 'look at all our fucking money'.

Yes, I think you're right. I too will start wondering the same.

There is something going on. I think we may be in for a big surprise in the near future.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2015, 08:37:14 PM

Maybe instead of getting taken to the cleaners as a new owner they'll announce something as soon as the window shuts. Either way doesn't bother me. If this is the new Randy, then I'll be happy with that.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 11, 2015, 08:38:48 PM

It did cross my mind briefly a while back around the time when Sherwood said any takeover was dead.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2015, 08:43:45 PM

Quote from: Clampy on August 11, 2015, 08:38:48 PM

It did cross my mind briefly a while back around the time when Sherwood said any takeover was dead.

It seemed odd that a football manager would be out there declaring something so definitively about the business side of the club. Yet it was taken at face value and everyone ran with it. And maybe it is and club felt comfortable with Sherwood being the communicator of that information, but it could very well have been to allow the club to do its transfer business without distraction which they appear to have done very well.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 11, 2015, 08:48:19 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2015, 08:11:14 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 11, 2015, 08:08:10 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2015, 05:15:45 PM

Apparently Monaco want 25m euros for ^^^^ him.

Central defender.

If we bid that for him I'm gonna start wondering if we've been nearly taken over by people who don't want to be negotiating from a position of 'look at all our fucking money'.

Yes, I think you're right. I too will start wondering the same.

I've been thinking along those lines most of the summer

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 11, 2015, 08:49:53 PM

There seems to be something to the Traore deal but there's not much solid about us willing to pay £20m+ for a defender other than one piece of speculation. If we were about to making major, major signings like that and a takeover was announced after the window closed, I don't think anyone would be able to deny that the club had played a blinder. A lot of 'if's' though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2015, 08:50:42 PM

Quote from: paul_e on August 11, 2015, 08:48:19 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2015, 08:11:14 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 11, 2015, 08:08:10 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2015, 05:15:45 PM

Apparently Monaco want 25m euros for ^^^^ him.

Central defender.

If we bid that for him I'm gonna start wondering if we've been nearly taken over by people who don't want to be negotiating from a position of 'look at all our fucking money'.

Yes, I think you're right. I too will start wondering the same.

I've been thinking along those lines most of the summer

I'm absolutely convinced that pretty much the first we'll know about a takeover will be more or less when it goes through.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2015, 08:51:27 PM

From TBAR?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 11, 2015, 08:54:20 PM

To date everyone we have signed were obtainable quality-wise and affordable.  I'd love it to be true, equally I'd like this decision making to be coming from within and that Fox and the like actually have set up a decent structure.

To be fair it is win v win for us.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 11, 2015, 09:08:12 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2015, 08:43:45 PM

Quote from: Clampy on August 11, 2015, 08:38:48 PM

It did cross my mind briefly a while back around the time when Sherwood said any takeover was dead.

It seemed odd that a football manager would be out there declaring something so definitively about the business side of the club. Yet it was taken at face value and everyone ran with it. And maybe it is and club felt comfortable with Sherwood being the communicator of that information, but it could very well have been to allow the club to do its transfer business without distraction which they appear to have done very well.

Add that to 'we need to move some players on before we sign any more'. That was bollocks. Also, when did he say we'll only be buying English players from now on'?

If only danlanza wasn't banned.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 11, 2015, 09:16:38 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 11, 2015, 09:08:12 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2015, 08:43:45 PM

Quote from: Clampy on August 11, 2015, 08:38:48 PM

It did cross my mind briefly a while back around the time when Sherwood said any takeover was dead.

It seemed odd that a football manager would be out there declaring something so definitively about the business side of the club. Yet it was taken at face value and everyone ran with it. And maybe it is and club felt comfortable with Sherwood being the communicator of that information, but it could very well have been to allow the club to do its transfer business without distraction which they appear to have done very well.

Add that to 'we need to move some players on before we sign any more'. That was bollocks. Also, when did he say we'll only be buying English players from now on'?

If only danlanza wasn't banned.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/any-further-aston-villa-additions-9821064

Might be mis-direction, the point about the value you get from abroad compared to the cost of domestic players might be too difficult to ignore.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: manic-road on August 11, 2015, 09:23:19 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2015, 08:51:27 PM

From TBAR?

I'm sure Badmin will have the news first.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on August 11, 2015, 09:25:01 PM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on August 11, 2015, 05:18:07 PM

Crazy money, but he's a brilliant defender, absolutely superb. Monaco's best player last season, in my opinion.

He is one of the best central defenders in Europe, afraid I have to call bullsh*t on this one  :D

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 11, 2015, 09:26:15 PM

In fairness we are about even at the moment, and Lerner has given new managers around 20m net in their first summers at the club apart from McLeish but he got huge wages approved for Given and NZogbia.

If Traore came and we paid around 15m for this defender (which we won't I know) and loaned Adebayor, we would be about where we normally are in terms of net spend, so it may just be a more innovative and modern thinking scouting and player recruitment strategy coming into play.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 11, 2015, 09:52:48 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 11, 2015, 09:26:15 PM

In fairness we are about even at the moment, and Lerner has given new managers around 20m net in their first summers at the club apart from McLeish but he got huge wages approved for Given and NZogbia.

If Traore came and we paid around 15m for this defender (which we won't I know) and loaned Adebayor, we would be about where we normally are in terms of net spend, so it may just be a more innovative and modern thinking scouting and player recruitment strategy coming into play.

Does not compute.  ???

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ROBBO on August 11, 2015, 09:55:45 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2015, 08:11:14 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 11, 2015, 08:08:10 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2015, 05:15:45 PM

Apparently Monaco want 25m euros for ^^^^ him.

Central defender.

If we bid that for him I'm gonna start wondering if we've been nearly taken over by people who don't want to be negotiating from a position of 'look at all our fucking money'.

Yes, I think you're right. I too will start wondering the same.

If this happens am i allowed to gloat?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 11, 2015, 10:14:52 PM

Quote from: ROBBO on August 11, 2015, 09:55:45 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2015, 08:11:14 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 11, 2015, 08:08:10 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2015, 05:15:45 PM

Apparently Monaco want 25m euros for ^^^^ him.

Central defender.

If we bid that for him I'm gonna start wondering if we've been nearly taken over by people who don't want to be negotiating from a position of 'look at all our fucking money'.

Yes, I think you're right. I too will start wondering the same.

If this happens am i allowed to gloat?

Gloat on.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 11, 2015, 10:52:07 PM

Anyone think we might make a couple of cheeky loan offers in the last week of the window? We still have them up our sleeve, and by then players not in first teams will be restless to get out.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 11, 2015, 10:54:41 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 11, 2015, 10:52:07 PM

Anyone think we might make a couple of cheeky loan offers in the last week of the window? We still have them up our sleeve, and by then players not in first teams will be restless to get out.

I hope so, but no idea who.  Chelsea potentially have a few players available I suspect.
Another benefit of any Barca/Traore deal would be to build a relationship with barca.  Having the choice of their promising youngsters would be ideal.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 11, 2015, 11:06:57 PM

Mark Hughes seems to have that sussed.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 11, 2015, 11:15:30 PM

Quote from: OCD on August 11, 2015, 11:06:57 PM

Mark Hughes seems to have that sussed.

I wonder if there are any staff at Barca who played there with him, i have no idea but I agree he does seem to be familiar with the club and they're happy to deal with him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt C on August 12, 2015, 01:08:49 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 11, 2015, 10:54:41 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 11, 2015, 10:52:07 PM

Anyone think we might make a couple of cheeky loan offers in the last week of the window? We still have them up our sleeve, and by then players not in first teams will be restless to get out.

I hope so, but no idea who.  Chelsea potentially have a few players available I suspect.
Another benefit of any Barca/Traore deal would be to build a relationship with barca.  Having the choice of their promising youngsters would be ideal.

Wilson at Man Utd perhaps?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 12, 2015, 06:23:07 AM

I too have long harboured suspicions that the club takeover is much further advanced than we have been allowed to know.  If we bid big money now for a marquee signing it could add substance to that theory. On the other hand it might be the owner realising that if the club is to be sold for anywhere near its true value the personnel need the same treatment as the North Stand.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 12, 2015, 07:35:46 AM

Quote from: brian green on August 12, 2015, 06:23:07 AM

On the other hand it might be the owner realising that if the club is to be sold for anywhere near its true value the personnel need the same treatment as the North Stand.

algaecide?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 12, 2015, 07:54:23 AM

Wholenewcide.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 12, 2015, 08:09:42 AM

Italian paper saying we have bid 7.75m for Keita Diao of Lazio. Anyone seen him?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 12, 2015, 08:18:16 AM

No but the name has a ring to it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 12, 2015, 08:19:31 AM

It would if stupid text correction had been right!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 12, 2015, 08:43:38 AM

Sorry ozz. No piss take intended. I am just a bit light headed at us acting like a proper club again.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 12, 2015, 08:56:53 AM

I found it funny Brian no apology needed.

Great to be actually participating in the whole buying good players games isn't it!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 12, 2015, 09:09:19 AM

what attacking position does Diao play? a strike rate of one in eight on the face of it, isn't too impressive

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 12, 2015, 09:11:45 AM

Quote from: Matt C on August 12, 2015, 01:08:49 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 11, 2015, 10:54:41 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 11, 2015, 10:52:07 PM

Anyone think we might make a couple of cheeky loan offers in the last week of the window? We still have them up our sleeve, and by then players not in first teams will be restless to get out.

I hope so, but no idea who.  Chelsea potentially have a few players available I suspect.
Another benefit of any Barca/Traore deal would be to build a relationship with barca.  Having the choice of their promising youngsters would be ideal.

Wilson at Man Utd perhaps?

Would be a good move if Adebayor doesn't happen, IMO. Definitely knows where the back of the net is and looks to be quick and 2 footed. A very similar player to Bamford at Chelsea/Palace, and in the same situation of being too good for their reserves and needing game-time.

The thing with Utd at present too, is that they're going to be throwing money at top-class players until they're back at the very top,so players like Wilson (and possibly one of their defensive prospects?) are likely to be slipping through the net in the next couple of years. Sherwood will be well aware of them all from this time with Spuds, so could be a good talent pool fur us to look at.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 12, 2015, 12:09:44 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 12, 2015, 08:09:42 AM

Italian paper saying we have bid 7.75m for Keita Diao of Lazio. Anyone seen him?

Yeah. Had a good 13/14, but struggled last season. Plays on the left mainly.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 12, 2015, 12:17:44 PM

Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 12, 2015, 12:09:44 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 12, 2015, 08:09:42 AM

Italian paper saying we have bid 7.75m for Keita Diao of Lazio. Anyone seen him?

Yeah. Had a good 13/14, but struggled last season. Plays on the left mainly.

Archie must have seen him play quite a bit as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 12, 2015, 12:49:18 PM

Is Archie still depressed?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 12, 2015, 12:54:48 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 12, 2015, 12:49:18 PM

Is Archie still depressed?

He seemed to be upset about signing Crespo, meaning that all our signings would be rubbish.

However I get the impression the main reason we signed Crespo was due to him being available for 500K and being able to play anywhere across the back. Also, that Crespo wouldn't be a first teamer anyway.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 12, 2015, 01:43:19 PM

He's gone into hiding now we're the laughing stock of the Premier League or whatever it's called these days.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 12, 2015, 01:49:44 PM

Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 12, 2015, 01:43:19 PM

He's gone into hiding now we're the laughing stock of the Premier League or whatever it's called these days.

Is that what they call 5th position in the table?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 12, 2015, 02:09:57 PM

Quote from: brian green on August 12, 2015, 07:54:23 AM

Wholenewcide.

True

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 12, 2015, 02:15:45 PM

I have a feeling there's still going to be a lot of activity for us for the rest of the window. Timmy clearly loves a bit of trading, there's no way he's not going to want to be involved in the deadline day madness that Sky have taught us to love so much. I reckon there'll be at least one incoming that nobody predicted about 3 minutes before the deadline.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on August 12, 2015, 02:20:46 PM

(http://static.wixstatic.com/media/83df03_54fdd6c073cf43419952c4ab257e7948.jpg_srb_p_930_231_75_22_0.50_1.20_0.00_jpg_srb)

http://www.tradertimsauction.com/

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 12, 2015, 02:46:55 PM

I like Archie hope he comes back

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: AVFC13 on August 12, 2015, 03:04:23 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2015, 08:50:42 PM

Quote from: paul_e on August 11, 2015, 08:48:19 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2015, 08:11:14 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 11, 2015, 08:08:10 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2015, 05:15:45 PM

Apparently Monaco want 25m euros for ^^^^ him.

Central defender.

If we bid that for him I'm gonna start wondering if we've been nearly taken over by people who don't want to be negotiating from a position of 'look at all our fucking money'.

Yes, I think you're right. I too will start wondering the same.

I've been thinking along those lines most of the summer

I'm absolutely convinced that pretty much the first we'll know about a takeover will be more or less when it goes through.

Been thinking the same things! I wonder if we've actually been taken over and the money that is being spent on new players is being passed through Randy so that selling clubs can't fleece us for more cash on players. We do have the Tekkers and Snake money but I don't believe Randy has opened the purse strings quite like this before...I could be wrong and just overly excited as we're bringing in quality players and being linked with others.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Axl Rose on August 12, 2015, 03:13:31 PM

Quote from: TheMalandro on August 12, 2015, 02:46:55 PM

I like Archie hope he comes back

Yes, me too. Great guy, him and the Latin Lions guys. I had the good fortune of being invited into their home in Padova in 2010 to watch the Carling Cup final.

Come back Archie!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Doorbell on August 12, 2015, 04:05:20 PM

I've given up following the transfer rumours. I can't take it. I'm not used to these high levels of excitement, especially now as most seem plausible.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ExclDawg on August 12, 2015, 04:32:33 PM

Quote from: AVFC13 on August 12, 2015, 03:04:23 PM

Been thinking the same things! I wonder if we've actually been taken over and the money that is being spent on new players is being passed through Randy so that selling clubs can't fleece us for more cash on players. We do have the Tekkers and Snake money but I don't believe Randy has opened the purse strings quite like this before...I could be wrong and just overly excited as we're bringing in quality players and being linked with others.

Lerner spent quite a bit when he first came onto the scene.  Actually, with the exception of The Great Sell-off of 2011/12, he's generally spent money on transfers: http://www.transferleague.co.uk/aston-villa/english-football-teams/aston-villa-transfer

This year, he's only really spent the wind-fall he received from Benteke and Delph.  If he drops another 10 million pounds on players, that would still only put him around his usual average for net-spend on transfers.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: AVFC13 on August 12, 2015, 04:44:22 PM

Quote from: ExclDawg on August 12, 2015, 04:32:33 PM

Quote from: AVFC13 on August 12, 2015, 03:04:23 PM

Been thinking the same things! I wonder if we've actually been taken over and the money that is being spent on new players is being passed through Randy so that selling clubs can't fleece us for more cash on players. We do have the Tekkers and Snake money but I don't believe Randy has opened the purse strings quite like this before...I could be wrong and just overly excited as we're bringing in quality players and being linked with others.

Lerner spent quite a bit when he first came onto the scene.  Actually, with the exception of The Great Sell-off of 2011/12, he's generally spent money on transfers: http://www.transferleague.co.uk/aston-villa/english-football-teams/aston-villa-transfer

This year, he's only really spent the wind-fall he received from Benteke and Delph.  If he drops another 10 million pounds on players, that would still only put him around his usual average for net-spend on transfers.

That makes sense then. But I doubt any of us could of predicted that we would spend as much as we have, especially with Lerner looking to sell the club.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: alan_clarke on August 12, 2015, 04:52:02 PM

Mason Holgate doing a medical at Everton

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 12, 2015, 05:02:35 PM

Quote from: alan_clarke on August 12, 2015, 04:52:02 PM

Mason Holgate doing a medical at Everton

Made up name, I hope he's not one of the Bulger killers

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 12, 2015, 05:08:26 PM

Yes Mal, it is the sort of name of an opponent of Rocky Balboa.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 12, 2015, 05:09:04 PM

I see Praet doesn't want baggies , was hoping for villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 12, 2015, 05:47:55 PM

Quote from: TheMalandro on August 12, 2015, 05:02:35 PM

Quote from: alan_clarke on August 12, 2015, 04:52:02 PM

Mason Holgate doing a medical at Everton

Made up name, I hope he's not one of the Bulger killers

Oophh!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 12, 2015, 06:01:06 PM

My brother bumped into an old friend today who works at the BUPA where the medicals take place and said the following:

Traore was there today and Adebayor has missed 2 scheduled medicals. That doesn't mean to say there was not genuine reasons to miss them but there you go. Genuine ITK shiz there.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: damon loves JT on August 12, 2015, 06:12:41 PM

Quote from: TheMalandro on August 12, 2015, 05:02:35 PM

Quote from: alan_clarke on August 12, 2015, 04:52:02 PM

Mason Holgate doing a medical at Everton

Made up name, I hope he's not one of the Bulger killers

I laughed out loud at that, I am surely going straight to hell

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on August 12, 2015, 06:20:18 PM

I've had to lie and tell the other half I was laughing about something inconsequential we saw today to cover my explosive laughter at that.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 12, 2015, 06:21:20 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 12, 2015, 05:09:04 PM

I see Praet doesn't want baggies , was hoping for villa.

BURN.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 12, 2015, 06:28:32 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on August 12, 2015, 06:12:41 PM

Quote from: TheMalandro on August 12, 2015, 05:02:35 PM

Quote from: alan_clarke on August 12, 2015, 04:52:02 PM

Mason Holgate doing a medical at Everton

Made up name, I hope he's not one of the Bulger killers

I laughed out loud at that, I am surely going straight to hell

shit, I'll be there then

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 12, 2015, 06:33:43 PM

Quote from: TheMalandro on August 12, 2015, 05:02:35 PM

Quote from: alan_clarke on August 12, 2015, 04:52:02 PM

Mason Holgate doing a medical at Everton

Made up name, I hope he's not one of the Bulger killers

I'm extremely broad minded but finding humour in child murder would be pushing it somewhat.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 12, 2015, 06:38:27 PM

Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on August 12, 2015, 06:01:06 PM

My brother bumped into an old friend today who works at the BUPA where the medicals take place and said the following:

Traore was there today and Adebayor has missed 2 scheduled medicals. That doesn't mean to say there was not genuine reasons to miss them but there you go. Genuine ITK shiz there.

My mother's in there, if it's the one in Little Aston, all paid for by the NHS. Funny how the government don't have money for hospital beds but have money to pay a private hotel hospital.

If Adebayor turns up, she's under strict instructions to lock him out again.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on August 12, 2015, 06:54:10 PM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 12, 2015, 06:33:43 PM

Quote from: TheMalandro on August 12, 2015, 05:02:35 PM

Quote from: alan_clarke on August 12, 2015, 04:52:02 PM

Mason Holgate doing a medical at Everton

Made up name, I hope he's not one of the Bulger killers

I'm extremely broad minded but finding humour in child murder would be pushing it somewhat.

Same here and I agree wholeheartedly. That was the stuff of nightmares.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 12, 2015, 06:54:23 PM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 12, 2015, 06:33:43 PM

Quote from: TheMalandro on August 12, 2015, 05:02:35 PM

Quote from: alan_clarke on August 12, 2015, 04:52:02 PM

Mason Holgate doing a medical at Everton

Made up name, I hope he's not one of the Bulger killers

I'm extremely broad minded but finding humour in child murder would be pushing it somewhat.

Sorry if it offended. My humour (or lack of it) has come from working in some pretty gruesome places.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Hoppo on August 12, 2015, 07:02:04 PM

Please don't apologize for a joke..

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on August 12, 2015, 07:26:34 PM

Quote from: TheMalandro on August 12, 2015, 06:54:23 PM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 12, 2015, 06:33:43 PM

Quote from: TheMalandro on August 12, 2015, 05:02:35 PM

Quote from: alan_clarke on August 12, 2015, 04:52:02 PM

Mason Holgate doing a medical at Everton

Made up name, I hope he's not one of the Bulger killers

I'm extremely broad minded but finding humour in child murder would be pushing it somewhat.

Sorry if it offended. My humour (or lack of it) has come from working in some pretty gruesome places.

Walsall town centre?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 12, 2015, 08:07:09 PM

Quote from: Hoppo on August 12, 2015, 07:02:04 PM

Please don't apologize for a joke..

Hoppo, I know you and you're an alright geezer, but you have no idea of the circumstances of people on this forum who could have very upset by that joke. Fair enough, he's apologised, leave him to it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: garyfouroaks on August 12, 2015, 08:50:57 PM

 I hear Jorge Mendes has  a couple of doctors lined up for Chelsea- should we put in a bid for Eva?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 12, 2015, 09:05:56 PM

Quote from: garyfouroaks on August 12, 2015, 08:50:57 PM

I hear Jorge Mendes has  a couple of doctors lined up for Chelsea- should we put in a bid for Eva?

I wouldn't mind putting my own bid in.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on August 12, 2015, 09:07:42 PM

Quote from: OCD on August 12, 2015, 09:05:56 PM

Quote from: garyfouroaks on August 12, 2015, 08:50:57 PM

I hear Jorge Mendes has  a couple of doctors lined up for Chelsea- should we put in a bid for Eva?

I wouldn't mind putting my own bid in.

Does she do domiciles?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve R on August 12, 2015, 09:16:06 PM

Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 12, 2015, 06:38:27 PM

...
My mother's in there, if it's the one in Little Aston, all paid for by the NHS. Funny how the government don't have money for hospital beds but have money to pay a private hotel hospital.
...

Sorry to hear that Mark. even the better places are best avoided. Hope she is well again soon.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on August 12, 2015, 09:23:51 PM

Quote from: Steve Rose on August 12, 2015, 09:16:06 PM

Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 12, 2015, 06:38:27 PM

...
My mother's in there, if it's the one in Little Aston, all paid for by the NHS. Funny how the government don't have money for hospital beds but have money to pay a private hotel hospital.
...

Sorry to hear that Mark. even the better places are best avoided. Hope she is well again soon.

It's actually cheaper to put elective patients through a private hospital than an nhs one in many cases. I hope your mom's okay in any case...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 12, 2015, 09:28:05 PM

Yeah not wanting to get all political, but I do despair at the rather simplistic cries of 'privatising' the NHS. My wife and I are going through IVF. It wouldn't make the remotest bit of sense for the public sector to actually carry out the Medical work.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on August 12, 2015, 09:31:11 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on August 12, 2015, 09:28:05 PM

Yeah not wanting to get all political, but I do despair at the rather simplistic cries of 'privatising' the NHS. My wife and I are going through IVF. It wouldn't make the remotest bit of sense for the public sector to actually carry out the Medical work.

But they do...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 12, 2015, 09:45:25 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on August 12, 2015, 09:28:05 PM

Yeah not wanting to get all political, but I do despair at the rather simplistic cries of 'privatising' the NHS. My wife and I are going through IVF. It wouldn't make the remotest bit of sense for the public sector to actually carry out the Medical work.

Good luck.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 12, 2015, 10:05:05 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on August 12, 2015, 09:28:05 PM

Yeah not wanting to get all political, but I do despair at the rather simplistic cries of 'privatising' the NHS. My wife and I are going through IVF. It wouldn't make the remotest bit of sense for the public sector to actually carry out the Medical work.

Depends on the number of attempts, I think 1 on the NHS is fair enough because that way all the checks for suitability, etc are done without any cost.  If you then decide to keep trying you have all the screenings, scans, etc to take with you to a private clinic.  The only thing I'd be against being done on the NHS is genuine vanity based cosmetic surgery, I wish they'd bring Dentistry into it completely as well, it seems wrong to ignore something as fundamental as teeth in 'free' healthcare.

Not sure what this has to do with Adama Traore transfers though, but good luck.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 12, 2015, 10:08:20 PM

Back on transfers, as exciting as all of this is and has been I wonder what it would have looked like had Delph and Benteke not left? Who would we have still bought? Because while it still needs to play out we look much better for their departure as much as nobody wants to lose their best players.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 12, 2015, 10:10:20 PM

Charlie Austin is going to discuss a new contract with QPR.

He should take a leaf out of TFLP's book and insert a stupidly-low release clause of, say, three jellied eels.

Austin then declares his undying love for Loftus Road, QPR, London and hoops of all kinds including spaghetti.

Villa then pounce with a bid of five jellied eels so as to see off the threat from any potential bidding war.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: maidstonevillain on August 12, 2015, 10:19:16 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 12, 2015, 08:07:09 PM

Quote from: Hoppo on August 12, 2015, 07:02:04 PM

Please don't apologize for a joke..

Hoppo, I know you and you're an alright geezer, but you have no idea of the circumstances of people on this forum who could have very upset by that joke. Fair enough, he's apologised, leave him to it.

Yes.  But in fairness there are others on here who work in, or deal with, situations where a bit of gallows humour gets you through the day sometimes. It is the wide backgrounds and personalities of people on this site that makes it the site it is.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: johnny from donny on August 12, 2015, 10:20:08 PM

Quote from: paul_e on August 12, 2015, 10:05:05 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on August 12, 2015, 09:28:05 PM

Yeah not wanting to get all political, but I do despair at the rather simplistic cries of 'privatising' the NHS. My wife and I are going through IVF. It wouldn't make the remotest bit of sense for the public sector to actually carry out the Medical work.

Depends on the number of attempts, I think 1 on the NHS is fair enough because that way all the checks for suitability, etc are done without any cost.  If you then decide to keep trying you have all the screenings, scans, etc to take with you to a private clinic.  The only thing I'd be against being done on the NHS is genuine vanity based cosmetic surgery, I wish they'd bring Dentistry into it completely as well, it seems wrong to ignore something as fundamental as teeth in 'free' healthcare.

Not sure what this has to do with Adama Traore transfers though, but good luck.

I think (without wanting to speak for anyone else) that the point was that while the NHS FUND the IVF the actual treatment takes place in a specialist private clinic.   At least that was the case in my experience, the NHS funded our 1st attempt and the freezing of any additional embryos created.  Our 1st attempt was successful so when we wanted to try for a 2nd time we had to pay for the treatment and implantation of the stored embryos ourselves.  Obviously, I don't know if the NHS would have funded further attempts had our 1st try been unsuccessful.
Now, any news on transfers

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eamonn on August 12, 2015, 10:20:21 PM

Hmm, do we really want Austin?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 12, 2015, 10:27:03 PM

I want a forward. I don't think it's fair to expect Gestede to play every minute and if we're going to have loads of wingers to choose from it makes sense to have a tall alternative to Rudi.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pelty on August 12, 2015, 10:30:06 PM

Anyone heard anything about this? The article was linked from espnfc.co.uk's transfers page... I do not know much about Boilesen, but seems a decent prospect from what I have read...

http://gianlucadimarzio.com/en/eng/genoa-aston-villa-competing-for-ajax-defender-boilesen-the-situation/

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 12, 2015, 10:31:23 PM

Quote from: eamonn on August 12, 2015, 10:20:21 PM

Hmm, do we really want Austin?

No thanks. There's no way he'd be a Triumph, and anyway, stature wise he'd be a bit of a midget compared to Gestede.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 12, 2015, 10:32:59 PM

Is Ayew not the other forward?

If I could have a striker that is realistic, I would love us to take a punt on Afobe from Wolves now. I think he would fit in perfectly and score a lot of goals with the options behind him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 12, 2015, 10:34:07 PM

Quote from: pelty on August 12, 2015, 10:30:06 PM

Anyone heard anything about this? The article was linked from espnfc.co.uk's transfers page... I do not know much about Boilesen, but seems a decent prospect from what I have read...

http://gianlucadimarzio.com/en/eng/genoa-aston-villa-competing-for-ajax-defender-boilesen-the-situation/

He looks a bit old judging by the picture.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 12, 2015, 10:35:17 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 12, 2015, 10:32:59 PM

Is Ayew not the other forward?

I did say "a tall alternative". We're gonna have about ninety wingers. If Gestede picks up a knock they'll have nobody to cross to!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 12, 2015, 10:36:00 PM

Quote from: pelty on August 12, 2015, 10:30:06 PM

Anyone heard anything about this? The article was linked from espnfc.co.uk's transfers page... I do not know much about Boilesen, but seems a decent prospect from what I have read...

http://gianlucadimarzio.com/en/eng/genoa-aston-villa-competing-for-ajax-defender-boilesen-the-situation/

He was quite heavily linked before Amavi came, plays left back and loves to get forward was the general scouting report, a bit Bale like but obviously nowhere near as good. I would be surprised as we have Amavi, Richardson and Bennett, unless the latter is leaving and Richardson is seen as cover in midfield roles.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 12, 2015, 10:36:12 PM

Quote from: pelty on August 12, 2015, 10:30:06 PM

Anyone heard anything about this? The article was linked from espnfc.co.uk's transfers page... I do not know much about Boilesen, but seems a decent prospect from what I have read...

http://gianlucadimarzio.com/en/eng/genoa-aston-villa-competing-for-ajax-defender-boilesen-the-situation/

No thanks. Another Dane with a dose of Bendtneritis, thinks he's way better than he is.
Wants out of Ajax because they won't break their salary structure for him.
Hasn't impressed at international level for Denmark. Getting picked as the least shit option at the moment.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 12, 2015, 10:36:33 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 12, 2015, 10:35:17 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 12, 2015, 10:32:59 PM

Is Ayew not the other forward?

I did say "a tall alternative". We're gonna have about ninety wingers. If Gestede picks up a knock they'll have nobody to cross to!

Tired eyes, missed tall.

Kozak??

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pelty on August 12, 2015, 10:37:03 PM

Appreciate the insight, ozzjim...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 12, 2015, 10:38:42 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 12, 2015, 10:36:33 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 12, 2015, 10:35:17 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 12, 2015, 10:32:59 PM

Is Ayew not the other forward?

I did say "a tall alternative". We're gonna have about ninety wingers. If Gestede picks up a knock they'll have nobody to cross to!

Tired eyes, missed tall.

Kozak??

Oh yeah! Forgot him. Stupid boy.

I still want another forward though... just because I'm greedy.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 12, 2015, 10:59:03 PM

It is going to be interesting to see how all these new players gel.

It could take a while yet, especially if we haven't even finished buying, but the strategy looks pretty clear.

The last few years, the idea was "young and hungry", only that almost always meant young, yes, hungry, yes, but also cheap and scouted from a limited pool of players (England).

Now it looks like we are after young, promising players, and from all over Europe.

I feel much better about the likes of Amavi, for example, who has done very well in France, than I did about Joe Bennett, who had done OK at Boro.

I also wonder whether, with every signing of this type of player, we actually make it easier to sign the next similar player - so, Traore sees we've just been out and bought some players similar to him, and thinks we're trying to build something which is an environment perfectly suited for him, which in turn makes us more attractive.

Having said that, the fucker will probably sign for Stoke tomorrow.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 12, 2015, 11:04:11 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on August 12, 2015, 10:31:23 PM

Quote from: eamonn on August 12, 2015, 10:20:21 PM

Hmm, do we really want Austin?

No thanks. There's no way he'd be a Triumph, and anyway, stature wise he'd be a bit of a midget compared to Gestede.

We'd have been better off going for Adel Trabant, but he's gone to Benfica.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 12, 2015, 11:07:03 PM

The next step might be to start snapping up very promising younger players - http://footballleagueworld.co.uk/aston-villa-eyeing-move-for-talented-nottingham-forest-star/?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 12, 2015, 11:18:55 PM

Bit more on Boilesen

A quick search on Google suggests that all linking him to us link back to one article on Calciomercato.com.

He was apparently close to signing for Genoa but broke off negotiations this morning.
Depending on where you look, some stories thdn say it was because we made an approach that him stop the negotiations.
The alternative story is that Genoa couldn't provide some form of documentation regarding their finances from their bank, which led them to approach us after the contact in June.
Frank de Boer has told him publicly to find another club, after their new contract offer was rejected and already have his replacement in place.
The Ajax fans don't seem to fussed about him leaving, general sentiment being if you want more money than the club will pay, then f##k off because you're not irreplaceable.

And for whoever asked about his age, he's 23.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 12, 2015, 11:22:41 PM

Quote from: LeeB on August 12, 2015, 11:04:11 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on August 12, 2015, 10:31:23 PM

Quote from: eamonn on August 12, 2015, 10:20:21 PM

Hmm, do we really want Austin?

No thanks. There's no way he'd be a Triumph, and anyway, stature wise he'd be a bit of a midget compared to Gestede.

We'd have been better off going for Adel Trabant, but he's gone to Benfica.

But now you're talking about a special talent.
How many times did he do something that had you saying audi do that?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 12, 2015, 11:35:37 PM

Quote from: OCD on August 12, 2015, 11:07:03 PM

The next step might be to start snapping up very promising younger players - http://footballleagueworld.co.uk/aston-villa-eyeing-move-for-talented-nottingham-forest-star/?

I like this, buy him, loan him straight back out to them for the season, I'd like to see 2-3 signings like this pretty much every season, even if you only get 1 in 5 'right' it's still cheaper than buying that 1 when he's established.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 12, 2015, 11:50:19 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 12, 2015, 10:59:03 PM

It is going to be interesting to see how all these new players gel.

It could take a while yet, especially if we haven't even finished buying, but the strategy looks pretty clear.

The last few years, the idea was "young and hungry", only that almost always meant young, yes, hungry, yes, but also cheap and scouted from a limited pool of players (England).

Now it looks like we are after young, promising players, and from all over Europe.

I feel much better about the likes of Amavi, for example, who has done very well in France, than I did about Joe Bennett, who had done OK at Boro.

I also wonder whether, with every signing of this type of player, we actually make it easier to sign the next similar player - so, Traore sees we've just been out and bought some players similar to him, and thinks we're trying to build something which is an environment perfectly suited for him, which in turn makes us more attractive.

Having said that, the fucker will probably sign for Stoke tomorrow.

I was thinking about this earlier. I wonder how much of the time spent wooing and convincing Gueye and especially Amavi, who seems to have a pretty decent reputation across Europe, was time very well spent. I don't reckon Veretout, or Traore would have come without the others being here already. It has created a very exciting atmosphere. I also wonder, considering they have the same agent, how much the Crespo signing for half a million quid was with the Traore deal in mind. Almost like they lined their ducks in an order to get them through the door.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2015, 12:00:05 AM

It is much better than this time last year, snapping up Richardson, Senderos and Cole, just like a club preparing for relegation. God, that was depressing.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 13, 2015, 12:10:41 AM

Trying to see the positives of it was hard work. Senderos did do bloody well in that run of 10 points from 4 games. Cole got us a vital point at Burnley and Richardson cleared off the line in the last minute against Liverpool.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve R on August 13, 2015, 04:11:15 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 12, 2015, 10:59:03 PM

It is going to be interesting to see how all these new players gel.

It could take a while yet, especially if we haven't even finished buying, but the strategy looks pretty clear.

The last few years, the idea was "young and hungry", only that almost always meant young, yes, hungry, yes, but also cheap and scouted from a limited pool of players (England).

Now it looks like we are after young, promising players, and from all over Europe.

I feel much better about the likes of Amavi, for example, who has done very well in France, than I did about Joe Bennett, who had done OK at Boro.

I also wonder whether, with every signing of this type of player, we actually make it easier to sign the next similar player - so, Traore sees we've just been out and bought some players similar to him, and thinks we're trying to build something which is an environment perfectly suited for him, which in turn makes us more attractive.

Having said that, the fucker will probably sign for Stoke tomorrow.

It definitely looks like the focus has moved from the Bennett strata of the market to level Benteke. And in one step .....

We have effectively swapped one jackpot - Benteke - for the chance of 4 or 5 more to come. If two of them turn out to be winners we will be doing well. The indications are already looking good.

The inevitable will probably come in a couple of years time, but to me selling players isn't the problem, everyone does it. It's being a negative trader that kills.  We didn't make a penny on Milner, in truth. nor Ashley Young. We have done well enough out of Benteke to make me wonder if we have actually been better off by selling him.

It must help having a peer group already here when trying to attract the likes of Vertout and Ayew to VP. It probably helps too that Benteke can be seen to have trodden the path and done well out of it, unlike similar players who have gone to other teams and all but disappeared.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 13, 2015, 04:44:22 AM

Consider the prospect of going into this season with last seasons squad and only £15-20m to be spend if we had kept Benteke and Delph...and compare that to the potential this new squad of players could deliver for this and the next few seasons. This group of young talented players could take a while to gel so we may not see consistent results to begin with, but they are only going to improve and grow as a team. This could be the start of the bright future that Randy spoke of many years ago...better late than never!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 13, 2015, 05:32:07 AM

lots of rumours we will announce two signings today; Traore and Felipe Avenatti

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on August 13, 2015, 08:49:27 AM

Felipe Avenatti?

Just checked 6ft 5" striker from Uruguay with the added bonus of having Villa in his proper surname!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 13, 2015, 08:56:55 AM

we've been tracking him all summer apparently Serie B player

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Marlon's Hairy Wood on August 13, 2015, 09:44:24 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 13, 2015, 05:32:07 AM

lots of rumours we will announce two signings today; Traore and Felipe Avenatti

where are these rumours?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 13, 2015, 09:51:38 AM

Quote from: Ron Manager on August 13, 2015, 08:49:27 AM

Felipe Avenatti?

Just checked 6ft 5" striker from Uruguay with the added bonus of having Villa in his proper surname!

I must admit that I'm not too sure about him.  Hasn't got a particularly good scoring record in the second tier of Italian football and I would prefer to give Kozak a chance.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on August 13, 2015, 09:58:06 AM

Quote from: villadelph on August 12, 2015, 06:21:20 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 12, 2015, 05:09:04 PM

I see Praet doesn't want baggies , was hoping for villa.

BURN.

I was in Sandwell town centre yesterday. The only things still open are the pawnshops, pound stores, adult centres and a few bookies. There was litter everywhere and tramps on most benches. I wouldnt accept a job offer for 100k a year in Somalia so I can completely sympathise with him turning them down

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: teamvillage on August 13, 2015, 10:26:57 AM

I'm assuming Avenatti has an Italian passport? No way we'd get a work permit if not, surely?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 13, 2015, 10:42:03 AM

He has Spanish nationality, according to Transfermarkt.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on August 13, 2015, 10:45:05 AM

Quote from: tomd2103 on August 13, 2015, 09:51:38 AM

Quote from: Ron Manager on August 13, 2015, 08:49:27 AM

Felipe Avenatti?

Just checked 6ft 5" striker from Uruguay with the added bonus of having Villa in his proper surname!

I must admit that I'm not too sure about him.  Hasn't got a particularly good scoring record in the second tier of Italian football and I would prefer to give Kozak a chance.

I would prefer us to sign a striker better than Kozak and Avenatti.  If we have any funds left, I would like us to sign a proven striker.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 13, 2015, 11:20:54 AM

Sky linking us to Jose Fonte from Southampton.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2015, 11:36:52 AM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on August 13, 2015, 11:20:54 AM

Sky linking us to Jose Fonte from Southampton.

He sounds our type.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Reuben on August 13, 2015, 11:41:22 AM

I hear he has a good arial presence

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: in exile on August 13, 2015, 11:43:49 AM

He's too easy to read

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Abruzzo_John on August 13, 2015, 11:46:24 AM

Today's Corriere dello Sport links us strongly with Keita, Lazio want to buy Borini. They report we have offered 10-11 million euro, Lazio wanting 15 million. The problem they report is that although Keita was born in Spain he does not hold a Spanish passport and therefore would come under the foreign player needing a work permit. The paper reports that we are working with the FA to try to resolve the problem and no signing is likely until next week at the earliest. Lazio fans do not appear to be happy with exchanging Keita for Borini. (http://www.corrieredellosport.it/news/calcio/serie-a/lazio/2015/08/13-3178778/lazio_keita_parte_con_borini_c_baez/)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on August 13, 2015, 11:50:24 AM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on August 13, 2015, 11:20:54 AM

Sky linking us to Jose Fonte from Southampton.

He's just the calibri of defender we need

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: themossman on August 13, 2015, 11:52:51 AM

Good signing if true. He'd make an immediate impact.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 13, 2015, 11:54:40 AM

Quote from: Stirchley Villain on August 13, 2015, 11:50:24 AM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on August 13, 2015, 11:20:54 AM

Sky linking us to Jose Fonte from Southampton.

He's just the calibri of defender we need

Particularly if we bring in this new Roman guy from Lazio as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: alan_clarke on August 13, 2015, 11:57:48 AM

He would be a very bold signing, underlining our intent to avoid another relegation battle this season

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 13, 2015, 12:02:45 PM

Fonte? Would be surprised if he wanted to leave and saints wanted to sell

Would also feel a bit bad for Clark though it would be a very good signing

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: themossman on August 13, 2015, 12:03:53 PM

Nope, read it three times and can't see a single typeface.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 13, 2015, 12:06:29 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on August 13, 2015, 10:45:05 AM

Quote from: tomd2103 on August 13, 2015, 09:51:38 AM

Quote from: Ron Manager on August 13, 2015, 08:49:27 AM

Felipe Avenatti?

Just checked 6ft 5" striker from Uruguay with the added bonus of having Villa in his proper surname!

I must admit that I'm not too sure about him.  Hasn't got a particularly good scoring record in the second tier of Italian football and I would prefer to give Kozak a chance.

I would prefer us to sign a striker better than Kozak and Avenatti.  If we have any funds left, I would like us to sign a proven striker.

I put in another thread that I would like that too, even if it was only on a season long loan basis while everyone else settle down and find their feet.  He wouldn't need to start every game, just someone who could come in and do a job when required.  Dzeko would have been ideal, if a little unrealistic.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on August 13, 2015, 12:07:10 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on August 13, 2015, 11:20:54 AM

Sky linking us to Jose Fonte from Southampton.

perhaps to replace Helvetian Senderos in the squad.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 13, 2015, 12:13:51 PM

I have a strong leaning towards Italic defenders.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 13, 2015, 12:15:51 PM

SSN saying that Sourhampton will sell Fonte if they can get that bloke with the crap Cockney accent from Celtic. If true I'd see this as us taking it up another notch. Is he a left or right-footed? If right, Richards to right-back? That would be a quality back-four.

Keep 'em coming Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Summers on August 13, 2015, 12:18:25 PM

I've honestly never paid much attention to Fonte, so I'm unsure how to feel about this one.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Summers on August 13, 2015, 12:22:28 PM

Although.. checking twitter seeing all the Soton fans saying "why would he leave us and European football for a relegation battle in a shithole.." and saying it'll never happen makes me 100% up for this. Sign him up, just to piss off the wankers.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on August 13, 2015, 12:24:13 PM

Quote from: Summers on August 13, 2015, 12:18:25 PM

I've honestly never paid much attention to Fonte, so I'm unsure how to feel about this one.

Will he be an Arial threat ?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Summers on August 13, 2015, 12:26:26 PM

I'm not going to make any bold statements.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 13, 2015, 12:27:04 PM

Quote from: Summers on August 13, 2015, 12:22:28 PM

Although.. checking twitter seeing all the Soton fans saying "why would he leave us and European football for a relegation battle in a shithole.." and saying it'll never happen makes me 100% up for this. Sign him up, just to piss off the wankers.

Because they're a small club who have had a couple of good seasons in the last 30 years, that's why ******, don't get above your station.

Just like yo-yo champions Leicester and Stoke, a side that were build on borderline cheating. You've had a couple of decent seasons where you either haven't been relegated or finished around 10th, calm down dears.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2015, 12:39:05 PM

Buying Fonte would be pretty bold.

Or at least semi-bold.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 13, 2015, 12:41:32 PM

Quote from: Summers on August 13, 2015, 12:18:25 PM

I've honestly never paid much attention to Fonte, so I'm unsure how to feel about this one.

Well the Southampton fans don't seem too happy about it, and that's always a good sign.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 13, 2015, 12:43:51 PM

Is he the geezer that got absolutely rinsed by Gabby down there in that 3-2 win?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2015, 12:45:32 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on August 13, 2015, 12:27:04 PM

Quote from: Summers on August 13, 2015, 12:22:28 PM

Although.. checking twitter seeing all the Soton fans saying "why would he leave us and European football for a relegation battle in a shithole.." and saying it'll never happen makes me 100% up for this. Sign him up, just to piss off the wankers.

Because they're a small club who have had a couple of good seasons in the last 30 years, that's why c***s, don't get above your station.

Just like yo-yo champions Leicester and Stoke, a side that were build on borderline cheating. You've had a couple of decent seasons where you either haven't been relegated or finished around 10th, calm down dears.

I honestly hate - hate - just or recently promoted clubs.

They get into the top flight and they're full of all that "Premier League, you're having a laugh" bollocks just because they're over excited at being able to visit big grounds. They are pretty much always a bunch of overexcited twats who were doubtless nowhere near their club for decades while they were mooking about in the third division.

They manage to stay in the top flight a couple of years, after years and years of being a pointless yo-yo club, and they're all giving it big about "clubs like Villa".

I read that stuff about Stoke fans the other day and it made me want to vomit. Honestly, years of not being in the top flight, a few of being there and becoming the absolute by-word for dirty, cynical, zero entertainment, followed by a short spell of being less fuck ugly to watch and a bit of spending and they think they're Barcelona.

Remember those ingratiating, smug Stoke twats we used to get on here?

I hate these people.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 13, 2015, 12:46:05 PM

Quote from: LeeB on August 13, 2015, 12:43:51 PM

Is he the geezer that got absolutely rinsed by Gabby down there in that 3-2 win?

Gabby has done that to Terry, Vidic and an assortment of Liverpool and Arsenal centre-halves, so I wouldn't worry about that.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 13, 2015, 12:49:23 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2015, 12:45:32 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on August 13, 2015, 12:27:04 PM

Quote from: Summers on August 13, 2015, 12:22:28 PM

Although.. checking twitter seeing all the Soton fans saying "why would he leave us and European football for a relegation battle in a shithole.." and saying it'll never happen makes me 100% up for this. Sign him up, just to piss off the wankers.

Because they're a small club who have had a couple of good seasons in the last 30 years, that's why c***s, don't get above your station.

Just like yo-yo champions Leicester and Stoke, a side that were build on borderline cheating. You've had a couple of decent seasons where you either haven't been relegated or finished around 10th, calm down dears.

I honestly hate - hate - just or recently promoted clubs.

They get into the top flight and they're full of all that "Premier League, you're having a laugh" bollocks just because they're over excited at being able to visit big grounds. They are pretty much always a bunch of overexcited twats who were doubtless nowhere near their club for decades while they were mooking about in the third division.

They manage to stay in the top flight a couple of years, after years and years of being a pointless yo-yo club, and they're all giving it big about "clubs like Villa".

I read that stuff about Stoke fans the other day and it made me want to vomit. Honestly, years of not being in the top flight, a few of being there and becoming the absolute by-word for dirty, cynical, zero entertainment, followed by a short spell of being less fuck ugly to watch and a bit of spending and they think they're Barcelona.

Remember those ingratiating, smug Stoke twats we used to get on here?

I hate these people.

You're not keen then?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 13, 2015, 12:49:33 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 13, 2015, 12:46:05 PM

Quote from: LeeB on August 13, 2015, 12:43:51 PM

Is he the geezer that got absolutely rinsed by Gabby down there in that 3-2 win?

Gabby has done that to Terry, Vidic and an assortment of Liverpool and Arsenal centre-halves, so I wouldn't worry about that.

True, but this instance put me in mind of the Tony Daley/Colin West pace differential. It was quite alarming.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: damon loves JT on August 13, 2015, 12:53:05 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2015, 12:39:05 PM

Buying Fonte would be pretty bold.

Or at least semi-bold.

Important to move with the times. New Roman midfielder Mohamed Salah would have been a good type

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Summers on August 13, 2015, 12:56:19 PM

Hopefully he doesn't get homesick and want to go tahoma.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 13, 2015, 12:57:31 PM

In other news merson was shocked we sold andi (tablet wont spell his surname) , he said he's been our best player last two seasons.

How the f##k is he a pundit.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: themossman on August 13, 2015, 12:59:10 PM

This thread is good practice for cryptic crosswords.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: The Man With A Stick on August 13, 2015, 01:02:13 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2015, 12:45:32 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on August 13, 2015, 12:27:04 PM

Quote from: Summers on August 13, 2015, 12:22:28 PM

Although.. checking twitter seeing all the Soton fans saying "why would he leave us and European football for a relegation battle in a shithole.." and saying it'll never happen makes me 100% up for this. Sign him up, just to piss off the wankers.

Because they're a small club who have had a couple of good seasons in the last 30 years, that's why c***s, don't get above your station.

Just like yo-yo champions Leicester and Stoke, a side that were build on borderline cheating. You've had a couple of decent seasons where you either haven't been relegated or finished around 10th, calm down dears.

I honestly hate - hate - just or recently promoted clubs.

They get into the top flight and they're full of all that "Premier League, you're having a laugh" bollocks just because they're over excited at being able to visit big grounds. They are pretty much always a bunch of overexcited twats who were doubtless nowhere near their club for decades while they were mooking about in the third division.

They manage to stay in the top flight a couple of years, after years and years of being a pointless yo-yo club, and they're all giving it big about "clubs like Villa".

I read that stuff about Stoke fans the other day and it made me want to vomit. Honestly, years of not being in the top flight, a few of being there and becoming the absolute by-word for dirty, cynical, zero entertainment, followed by a short spell of being less fuck ugly to watch and a bit of spending and they think they're Barcelona.

Remember those ingratiating, smug Stoke twats we used to get on here?

I hate these people.

There's bugger all to be smug about if you live in Stoke, or one of its many associated shanty towns.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on August 13, 2015, 01:12:48 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 13, 2015, 12:57:31 PM

In other news merson was shocked we sold andi (tablet wont spell his surname) , he said he's been our best player last two seasons.

How the f##k is he a pundit.

perversely, I would say he is the most intellegent midfielder Ive ever seen down VP (I was too young to appreciate Sid to be fair)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 13, 2015, 01:18:25 PM

I remember the Stoke fans who came on here when they first got promoted and desperately wanted us to be friends. Then they liked us because we didn't moan about Pulis and the Legion of the Damned. Finally, after a particularly horrible bout of his footballing version of manslaughter we weren't best happy and they flounced off saying, "You're just like all the rest."

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on August 13, 2015, 01:26:27 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2015, 12:45:32 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on August 13, 2015, 12:27:04 PM

Quote from: Summers on August 13, 2015, 12:22:28 PM

Although.. checking twitter seeing all the Soton fans saying "why would he leave us and European football for a relegation battle in a shithole.." and saying it'll never happen makes me 100% up for this. Sign him up, just to piss off the wankers.

Because they're a small club who have had a couple of good seasons in the last 30 years, that's why c***s, don't get above your station.

Just like yo-yo champions Leicester and Stoke, a side that were build on borderline cheating. You've had a couple of decent seasons where you either haven't been relegated or finished around 10th, calm down dears.

I honestly hate - hate - just or recently promoted clubs.

They get into the top flight and they're full of all that "Premier League, you're having a laugh" bollocks just because they're over excited at being able to visit big grounds. They are pretty much always a bunch of overexcited twats who were doubtless nowhere near their club for decades while they were mooking about in the third division.

They manage to stay in the top flight a couple of years, after years and years of being a pointless yo-yo club, and they're all giving it big about "clubs like Villa".

I read that stuff about Stoke fans the other day and it made me want to vomit. Honestly, years of not being in the top flight, a few of being there and becoming the absolute by-word for dirty, cynical, zero entertainment, followed by a short spell of being less fuck ugly to watch and a bit of spending and they think they're Barcelona.

Remember those ingratiating, smug Stoke twats we used to get on here?

I hate these people.

Southampton seem to attract that curious breed of supporter - the ones with the 'second' club.

"I support Southampton AND Liverpool/ Southampton and Tottingham."

"I don't mind Chelsea.  They are my second club."

I have met a number of these types over the years, and those are genuine quotes.

Good club, a role model when it comes to a well-run small club, in many respects.

But their supporters are odd.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 13, 2015, 01:30:06 PM

The problem with all these signings is that we've probably destroyed the fax machine so we'll have to send the papers for this one by courier.

I still think the better signing is Adama on the wing. Dings and dongs from the bells at the church are going to signal good times from now on.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on August 13, 2015, 01:37:59 PM

That'll be WingDings if Fonte signs

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 13, 2015, 01:43:09 PM

Come off it Paulie, Stoke are massive. They've finished as high as 9th. Twice. Massive club.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2015, 01:44:42 PM

Fans of those clubs don't like us because they know what's around the corner. Our malaise is temporary even if for us it feels forever. Their rise is temporary so they are getting in their shots while they can. They know full well given the choice players will choose us over them and especially if as we are doing, making significant improvements. They'll all be fucked off at us having signed 9 players with more to come. Especially the extra bitter club fans like Everton. It's the way it is and they'll be put in their places soon enough.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 13, 2015, 01:47:34 PM

Norwich fans are the worst for that kind of attitude.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 13, 2015, 01:47:48 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 13, 2015, 01:18:25 PM

I remember the Stoke fans who came on here when they first got promoted and desperately wanted us to be friends. Then they liked us because we didn't moan about Pulis and the Legion of the Damned. Finally, after a particularly horrible bout of his footballing version of manslaughter we weren't best happy and they flounced off saying, "You're just like all the rest."

And they never stopped to consider why we agreed with all the rest.
Hey Ho.

In the build up to the Stoke v Liverpool game at the weekend, they did a bit of a pre-amble which included these immortal lines.

Commentator 1. Well we're back in Stoke.  I think you probably have to come from Stoke to love it.
Commentator 2. Yeah, and that's a bit of an ask.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 13, 2015, 01:51:12 PM

Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 13, 2015, 01:47:34 PM

Norwich fans are the worst for that kind of attitude.

When we were in for Lambert their supporters reckoned they were bigger than us on the basis that a) their ground was almost full most games and b) a million people live in Norfolk and they're the only club.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 13, 2015, 01:58:40 PM

I think I mentioned that I had to go to Norwich City last season on a work appointment, very nice people but massively self important for such a small club, at the time I out it down to having a lot of Londoners working there and them being the biggest fish in a very, very small, shallow pond.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 13, 2015, 02:03:25 PM

Not sure how credible the Fonte rumours are, but it would be a statement of intent if it were to go through. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ryu on August 13, 2015, 02:06:12 PM

Fonte is 31 I just read?  So he'd cost a few million we'd never see again. And he'd pish Clark down the pecking order. If Tim thinks he'd improve us fair enough but I have reservations. There's been a few links so it seems pretty clear he wants another defender, anyway.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 13, 2015, 02:09:28 PM

Reading through this l realise how little non Villa football I now watch, I've never heard of Fonte either and I must have seen him play for Soton at least a few times.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve R on August 13, 2015, 02:16:45 PM

Quote from: Summers on August 13, 2015, 12:22:28 PM

Although.. checking twitter seeing all the Soton fans saying "why would he leave us and European football for a relegation battle in a shithole.." and saying it'll never happen makes me 100% up for this. Sign him up, just to piss off the wankers.

If he wanted to leave European football and end up battling relegation in a shithole then staying at Southampton would be the right choice.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 13, 2015, 02:31:20 PM

Got to say I don't particularly rate Fonte, but maybe I'm missing something.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 13, 2015, 02:34:40 PM

Koeman has just said there's no way they'd sell Fonte.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve R on August 13, 2015, 02:46:43 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 13, 2015, 02:34:40 PM

Koeman has just said there's no way they'd sell Fonte.

Dunno what he's so upset about. There's no way we'll sell N'Zogbia.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on August 13, 2015, 02:54:49 PM

Can't see Clarke dropping down the pecking order for anyone
He gets or is near to MOTM virtually every time he plays nowadays

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: in exile on August 13, 2015, 02:55:28 PM

Quote from: Steve Rose on August 13, 2015, 02:46:43 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 13, 2015, 02:34:40 PM

Koeman has just said there's no way they'd sell Fonte.

Dunno what he's so upset about. There's no way we'll sell N'Zogbia.

Do you mean we will have to give him away if someone will take him?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on August 13, 2015, 03:02:31 PM

Quote from: in exile on August 13, 2015, 02:55:28 PM

Quote from: Steve Rose on August 13, 2015, 02:46:43 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 13, 2015, 02:34:40 PM

Koeman has just said there's no way they'd sell Fonte.

Dunno what he's so upset about. There's no way we'll sell N'Zogbia.

Do you mean we will have to give him away if someone will take him?

What always makes me laugh when Nzogbia is being discussed is even after the Zog has put in yet another totally shit performance, some poster always says ' I still think there's a player in there though' 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 13, 2015, 03:07:11 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2015, 12:45:32 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on August 13, 2015, 12:27:04 PM

Quote from: Summers on August 13, 2015, 12:22:28 PM

Although.. checking twitter seeing all the Soton fans saying "why would he leave us and European football for a relegation battle in a shithole.." and saying it'll never happen makes me 100% up for this. Sign him up, just to piss off the wankers.

Because they're a small club who have had a couple of good seasons in the last 30 years, that's why c***s, don't get above your station.

Just like yo-yo champions Leicester and Stoke, a side that were build on borderline cheating. You've had a couple of decent seasons where you either haven't been relegated or finished around 10th, calm down dears.

I honestly hate - hate - just or recently promoted clubs.

They get into the top flight and they're full of all that "Premier League, you're having a laugh" bollocks just because they're over excited at being able to visit big grounds. They are pretty much always a bunch of overexcited twats who were doubtless nowhere near their club for decades while they were mooking about in the third division.

They manage to stay in the top flight a couple of years, after years and years of being a pointless yo-yo club, and they're all giving it big about "clubs like Villa".

I read that stuff about Stoke fans the other day and it made me want to vomit. Honestly, years of not being in the top flight, a few of being there and becoming the absolute by-word for dirty, cynical, zero entertainment, followed by a short spell of being less fuck ugly to watch and a bit of spending and they think they're Barcelona.

Remember those ingratiating, smug Stoke twats we used to get on here?

I hate these people.

Stoke, a City as close to purgatory as you could imagine, playing a version of Football not seen since Wimbledon bludgeoned there way up the divisions with a mix of intimidation, thuggery and big bastards in the air. They invented the designated throw in taker ffs, and a twat at the sidelines with a towel tucked in his massive waist line to help when it was wet.

Just 8 years ago, that's all, 8, we're playing infront of 16,000 attendances in a promotion season, with 2 top 10 finishes in the top flight IN 40 FUCKING YEARS, the last two. If anything sums up the Sky sports, transfer fee rolling total, Chelsea are a huge club, memory like a goldfish generation it's these wankers.

Two season in 40 years they've finished as a top 10 side, probably finished above us on a handful of occasions, I wouldn't be surprised if they've never had an average attendance higher than ours and they've the cheek to look down on us as a perennial, boring, non entity small club.

They can get to fuck the clowns, they're tiny. And as for Southampton, how many times did they have debts cancelled and go in to administration? Nothing more than fucking cheats and piss pot clubs.

This is why we've needed to get our shit in order, having clubs like Southampton, Stoke and Leicester trying to throw their weight around makes me sick. We need to start twatting them again, in front of 40,000's to remind their tiny memories of what we are like, 5 years is too long for the little sky boys to remember.

Who bloody are ya.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ryu on August 13, 2015, 03:07:21 PM

Quote from: john e on August 13, 2015, 02:54:49 PM

Can't see Clarke dropping down the pecking order for anyone
He gets or is near to MOTM virtually every time he plays nowadays

That's what I think but if Sherwood really wants to spend a probably not unsubstantial sum on a first team player from another PL side then he will be going into our first team.  And as he's made Richards our captain that leaves one man to make way.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 13, 2015, 03:11:14 PM

I don't want to go down the 'how low have we sunk' well trodden path but..... if no marks like Soton, Stoke and Norwich are pulling in 30k crowds we should have a bigger ground by now to cope with demand, we are bigger than all three of them put together.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on August 13, 2015, 03:15:11 PM

If there was a war, I'd follow aj2k77 into battle. I imagine him to be Churchillian.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: itbrvilla on August 13, 2015, 03:20:26 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on August 13, 2015, 03:11:14 PM

I don't want to go down the 'how low have we sunk' well trodden path but..... if no marks like Soton, Stoke and Norwich are pulling in 30k crowds we should have a bigger ground by now to cope with demand, we are bigger than all three of them put together.

Are we really? Why? Because we won some trophies mostly ovey 100 years ago and had 5-6 years of success starting 40 odd years ago?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on August 13, 2015, 03:27:51 PM

Quote from: john e on August 13, 2015, 02:54:49 PM

Can't see Clarke dropping down the pecking order for anyone
He gets or is near to MOTM virtually every time he plays nowadays

Who?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 13, 2015, 03:43:34 PM

The main reason is we have 4m people within a 15 minute drive of the biggest team around and as yet, we haven't capitalised on it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 13, 2015, 03:44:58 PM

Quote from: itbrvilla on August 13, 2015, 03:20:26 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on August 13, 2015, 03:11:14 PM

I don't want to go down the 'how low have we sunk' well trodden path but..... if no marks like Soton, Stoke and Norwich are pulling in 30k crowds we should have a bigger ground by now to cope with demand, we are bigger than all three of them put together.

Are we really? Why? Because we won some trophies mostly ovey 100 years ago and had 5-6 years of success starting 40 odd years ago?

I'd say pretty much without a doubt that from the early 70's until Lerner brainfarted we we're considered one of the big 6. With an almost unbroken record in the top flight, numerous top 6 finishes, average attendances up their and above most clubs of the time, some trophies, countless England internationals, huge ground etc etc the list just goes on.

In fact I'd struggle to think of any criteria in the last 40 years that you could consider any of those clubs anywhere near on par to ours in size.
Shrink that to the last 20 years or 10 years even and the same holds true.

The only way you wouldn't consider Aston Villa one of Englands true great clubs we're if you we're either a nose or started watching football in 2011.

Southampton, Norwich and Stoke are on upper in the same way we've seen your Fulhams and Middlesboro's and Boltons have a bit of limelight and make the most of it.

If Stoke disappeared back down the toilet from whence they first appeared they'd be pulling in crowds of 14,000k again within a short space of time.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 13, 2015, 03:46:22 PM

Quote from: itbrvilla on August 13, 2015, 03:20:26 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on August 13, 2015, 03:11:14 PM

I don't want to go down the 'how low have we sunk' well trodden path but..... if no marks like Soton, Stoke and Norwich are pulling in 30k crowds we should have a bigger ground by now to cope with demand, we are bigger than all three of them put together.

Are we really? Why? Because we won some trophies mostly ovey 100 years ago and had 5-6 years of success starting 40 odd years ago?

Yes, we really are, and fucking shame on you for even questioning why.

Anyway, back to Southampton. I really hate Southampton, they're the most plastic of all. Arseholes. Mind you it's no surprise they're getting above their station , do you remember that cock of a chairman they had that thought the same? And then three years later they were in the third division.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 13, 2015, 03:51:18 PM

If you look at the 'big picture', the only 3 clubs that are actually bigger than us in England are Man Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 13, 2015, 04:08:50 PM

Fellaini and Janujaz? Leaving manure, would you?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Eckybloke on August 13, 2015, 04:10:27 PM

Quote from: Newby on August 13, 2015, 04:08:50 PM

Fellaini and Janujaz? Leaving manure, would you?

That whispers Twitter dude mentioned Janujaz.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 13, 2015, 04:11:03 PM

Quote from: Newby on August 13, 2015, 04:08:50 PM

Fellaini and Janujaz? Leaving manure, would you?

Not sure on Fellaini, mainly because he's horrible. No to the other one. We've got similar at around the same level.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 13, 2015, 04:25:18 PM

Felatio is a very useful player to have on your team, but I'll pass purely on the basis that I wouldn't want someone who looks like him wearing the shirt :-)
Jacuzzi, no to him as well, rather use players we already have.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: walsall villain on August 13, 2015, 04:29:51 PM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 13, 2015, 03:51:18 PM

If you look at the 'big picture', the only 3 clubs that are actually bigger than us in England are Man Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal.

And the baggies of course

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 13, 2015, 04:30:34 PM

Quote from: Newby on August 13, 2015, 04:08:50 PM

Fellaini and Janujaz? Leaving manure, would you?

Sounds like a two-for-one offer at a knocking shop

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 13, 2015, 04:38:03 PM

Keita Balde Diao latest to be linked.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 13, 2015, 04:45:10 PM

Quote from: walsall villain on August 13, 2015, 04:29:51 PM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 13, 2015, 03:51:18 PM

If you look at the 'big picture', the only 3 clubs that are actually bigger than us in England are Man Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal.

And the baggies of course

You'd have to say Chelsea are now - say if you look at trophies in the last 50-100 years. Which I think qualifies as the long view!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 13, 2015, 04:50:16 PM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 13, 2015, 04:38:03 PM

Keita Balde Diao latest to be linked.

Who's being described as a bigger coup than Traore, were it come off.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 13, 2015, 05:03:48 PM

What's not to like about a player whose middle name is Balde?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 13, 2015, 05:19:22 PM

Quote from: OCD on August 13, 2015, 04:50:16 PM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 13, 2015, 04:38:03 PM

Keita Balde Diao latest to be linked.

Who's being described as a bigger coup than Traore, were it come off.

How are we still buying?!?!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 13, 2015, 05:22:10 PM

We're still breaking even or thereabouts. The bigger issue is going to be moving players on to make space for new one's.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 13, 2015, 05:25:22 PM

Quote from: OCD on August 13, 2015, 05:22:10 PM

We're still breaking even or thereabouts. The bigger issue is going to be moving players on to make space for new one's.

I wonder what sort of pay package we are offering these 19/20 year olds, has to be a nice pay rise over France and Spain..

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2015, 05:31:20 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on August 13, 2015, 03:43:34 PM

The main reason is we have 4m people within a 15 minute drive of the biggest team around and as yet, we haven't capitalised on it.

As Woodhall said the other day, the reason clubs like Leicester or Stoke play us down is because they know that, if we showed even the slightest sign of properly getting our act together on a prolonged basis, we'd take away an awful lot of the floating support they get in their areas.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 13, 2015, 05:40:05 PM

If this team we are assembling start firing on all cylinders they will come.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SirSteveUK on August 13, 2015, 07:21:58 PM

Quote from: brian green on August 13, 2015, 05:40:05 PM

If this team we are assembling start firing on all cylinders they will come.

"If we buy them, they will come" - Field of Dreams (nearly)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Risso on August 13, 2015, 07:25:10 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2015, 05:31:20 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on August 13, 2015, 03:43:34 PM

The main reason is we have 4m people within a 15 minute drive of the biggest team around and as yet, we haven't capitalised on it.

As Woodhall said the other day, the reason clubs like Leicester or Stoke play us down is because they know that, if we showed even the slightest sign of properly getting our act together on a prolonged basis, we'd take away an awful lot of the floating support they get in their areas.

Let's do that then!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on August 13, 2015, 08:16:44 PM

Quote from: OCD on August 13, 2015, 04:50:16 PM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 13, 2015, 04:38:03 PM

Keita Balde Diao latest to be linked.

Who's being described as a bigger coup than Traore, were it come off.

Another African. We certainly have cast our net wide..

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 13, 2015, 09:19:58 PM

Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on August 13, 2015, 08:16:44 PM

Quote from: OCD on August 13, 2015, 04:50:16 PM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 13, 2015, 04:38:03 PM

Keita Balde Diao latest to be linked.

Who's being described as a bigger coup than Traore, were it come off.

Another African. We certainly have cast our net wide..

Elaborate..?

Senegalese, born in España.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on August 13, 2015, 09:21:50 PM

I thought Senegal was in Africa..

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 13, 2015, 09:32:41 PM

He looks a decent player too. If we did sign him and Traore, then at least we would not be in for Townsend and Lennon!

It would give us Traore, Sinclair, Keita and Gabby for the wide roles, Ayew, Gestede, Kozak down the middle and Gil, Grealish and possibly Veretout for the number 10. That is a decent set of options for 4 positions, and a set that given their ages could look as scary as anything in the division inside 2 years development.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 13, 2015, 09:48:24 PM

There's still bits and pieces about Praet. This summer's been crazy but I think everyone knew it was needed after the cup final.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: gervilla on August 13, 2015, 09:59:19 PM

Senderos is off to some Turkish team I never heard of....but then again I don't follow Turkish football much.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 13, 2015, 10:01:47 PM

We cant sign them all but 2 from Diao, Praet, Townsend and Traore would be great.
 I think to sign all 4 we would be looking to sell Cole, Gabby, NZog and Kozak, and probably only playing 1 conventional centre forward permanently.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 13, 2015, 10:02:29 PM

Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on August 13, 2015, 09:21:50 PM

I thought Senegal was in Africa..

It sure is.. what exactly was your original point?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on August 13, 2015, 10:10:33 PM

Quote from: gervilla on August 13, 2015, 09:59:19 PM

Senderos is off to some Turkish team I never heard of....but then again I don't follow Turkish football much.

Fenerbache
Besiktas
Galatasaray
Trabzonspor
The team that is something like Ay...spor
Gencerbigli

I'm feeling like I'm missing another well known team.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 13, 2015, 10:24:31 PM

Quote from: peter w on August 13, 2015, 10:10:33 PM

Quote from: gervilla on August 13, 2015, 09:59:19 PM

Senderos is off to some Turkish team I never heard of....but then again I don't follow Turkish football much.

Fenerbache
Besiktas
Galatasaray
Trabzonspor
The team that is something like Ay...spor
Gencerbigli

I'm feeling like I'm missing another well known team.

Bursaspor, I think everyone else is shit after that.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: gervilla on August 13, 2015, 10:31:15 PM

Rizespor according to Eurosport.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on August 13, 2015, 10:32:17 PM

Quote from: gervilla on August 13, 2015, 09:59:19 PM

Senderos is off to some Turkish team I never heard of....but then again I don't follow Turkish football much.

Sheepbloodspor play in the Eastern Province Turkia Liga South.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 13, 2015, 10:45:52 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on August 13, 2015, 10:24:31 PM

Quote from: peter w on August 13, 2015, 10:10:33 PM

Quote from: gervilla on August 13, 2015, 09:59:19 PM

Senderos is off to some Turkish team I never heard of....but then again I don't follow Turkish football much.

Fenerbache
Besiktas
Galatasaray
Trabzonspor
The team that is something like Ay...spor
Gencerbigli

I'm feeling like I'm missing another well known team.

Bursaspor, I think everyone else is shit after that.

Ankaragucu - the one that Vassell joined and Elazigspor - the one that Luke Moore joined.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on August 13, 2015, 10:59:39 PM

Who did Sylla go to? Two names?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 13, 2015, 11:07:54 PM

Quote from: peter w on August 13, 2015, 10:59:39 PM

Who did Sylla go to? Two names?

Began with a K I think.

Kayserispor? Something like that.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on August 13, 2015, 11:10:08 PM

Be great if ISIS had a team in the Turkish league. Wouldn't fancy the away game much.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 13, 2015, 11:14:10 PM

Quote from: Dave on August 13, 2015, 11:07:54 PM

Quote from: peter w on August 13, 2015, 10:59:39 PM

Who did Sylla go to? Two names?

Began with a K I think.

Kayserispor? Something like that.

Aren't they Chris Jameson's favourite band?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 13, 2015, 11:16:51 PM

Quote from: peter w on August 13, 2015, 11:10:08 PM

Be great if ISIS had a team in the Turkish league. Wouldn't fancy the away game much.

Don't give their PR department ideas like that.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on August 13, 2015, 11:24:56 PM

Liam Daesh would be their manager.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2015, 11:56:56 PM

What an inspired signing Senderos turned out to be.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2015, 11:58:38 PM

What is happening with Tonev, I wonder?

Just googled and saw an article from last month saying that Roma were interested in him.

It didn't say what they were interested in him "as", obviously can't be to play football, mind.

And also, what about N'Zogbia? With all those weird tweets a few weeks back, but he appears to have a squad number.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 14, 2015, 12:02:22 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2015, 11:58:38 PM

What is happening with Tonev, I wonder?

Just googled and saw an article from last month saying that Roma were interested in him.

It didn't say what they were interested in him "as", obviously can't be to play football, mind.

And also, what about N'Zogbia? With all those weird tweets a few weeks back, but he appears to have a squad number.

First team to have a waterboy. He's probably funnier than Adam Sandler to be fair.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 14, 2015, 12:05:54 AM

Quote from: peter w on August 13, 2015, 11:10:08 PM

Be great if ISIS had a team in the Turkish league. Wouldn't fancy the away game much.

Reckon their home, away and third strips would all be black.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 14, 2015, 12:06:40 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2015, 11:56:56 PM

What an inspired signing Senderos turned out to be.

If we have got actual money back for him, on top of his performances in the first 4-5 games of last season helping get us 10 points towards staying up, then yeah, as value for money goes it was pretty inspired.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 14, 2015, 12:22:11 AM

Senderos was alright in his limited games, certainly seen a lot worse in our back 4 in recent years.

Just like Sissokho, perfectly reasonable defender but dosen't fit how Sherwood wants to do things.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 14, 2015, 12:51:15 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 14, 2015, 12:05:54 AM

Quote from: peter w on August 13, 2015, 11:10:08 PM

Be great if ISIS had a team in the Turkish league. Wouldn't fancy the away game much.

Reckon their home, away and third strips would all be black.

You can imagine the star centre forward scoring, kissing his team mate and then being led to the nearest tall building.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 14, 2015, 12:53:41 AM

Quote from: PeterWithe on August 14, 2015, 12:51:15 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 14, 2015, 12:05:54 AM

Quote from: peter w on August 13, 2015, 11:10:08 PM

Be great if ISIS had a team in the Turkish league. Wouldn't fancy the away game much.

Reckon their home, away and third strips would all be black.

You can imagine the star centre forward scoring, kissing his team mate and then being led to the nearest tall building.

First thing they do after taking over the club = go to trophy room, smash all trophies to pieces.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 14, 2015, 12:58:04 AM

Senderos going must surely mean another centre back coming in. Lescott?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eamonn on August 14, 2015, 01:21:54 AM

Not necesscelery. Clark, Richards, Okore and Baker is enough for a team that will play 45 games tops this season (including a heartbreaking semi final).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 14, 2015, 08:17:54 AM

Given injury history we need five centre backs. I think crespo can play there though so maybe he's the fifth

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 14, 2015, 08:23:57 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2015, 11:56:56 PM

What an inspired signing Senderos turned out to be.

Whatever the reasoning behind going for Senderos over Lescott last summer, it will always rank to me as one of Villa's most baffling transfers.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 14, 2015, 08:29:03 AM

that's Lambert for you

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on August 14, 2015, 08:34:32 AM

I have no real reason for thinking this except for, given the early summer interest in the Stoke 'keeper Begovic (sp), it wouldn't surprise me if we brought in a new goalie.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 14, 2015, 08:44:31 AM

Quote from: eamonn on August 14, 2015, 01:21:54 AM

Not necesscelery. Clark, Richards, Okore and Baker is enough for a team that will play 45 games tops this season (including a heartbreaking semi final).

All four have had their fair share of injuries, so I definitely think we need another option if Senderos is leaving.  I don't want to be in the position again where we are relying on Baker to play a run of games.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Boris_ on August 14, 2015, 08:51:44 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2015, 12:45:32 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on August 13, 2015, 12:27:04 PM

Quote from: Summers on August 13, 2015, 12:22:28 PM

Although.. checking twitter seeing all the Soton fans saying "why would he leave us and European football for a relegation battle in a shithole.." and saying it'll never happen makes me 100% up for this. Sign him up, just to piss off the wankers.

Because they're a small club who have had a couple of good seasons in the last 30 years, that's why c***s, don't get above your station.

Just like yo-yo champions Leicester and Stoke, a side that were build on borderline cheating. You've had a couple of decent seasons where you either haven't been relegated or finished around 10th, calm down dears.

I honestly hate - hate - just or recently promoted clubs.

They get into the top flight and they're full of all that "Premier League, you're having a laugh" bollocks just because they're over excited at being able to visit big grounds. They are pretty much always a bunch of overexcited twats who were doubtless nowhere near their club for decades while they were mooking about in the third division.

They manage to stay in the top flight a couple of years, after years and years of being a pointless yo-yo club, and they're all giving it big about "clubs like Villa".

I read that stuff about Stoke fans the other day and it made me want to vomit. Honestly, years of not being in the top flight, a few of being there and becoming the absolute by-word for dirty, cynical, zero entertainment, followed by a short spell of being less fuck ugly to watch and a bit of spending and they think they're Barcelona.

Remember those ingratiating, smug Stoke twats we used to get on here?

I hate these people.

You do realise Southampton have been in the top flight for 30 out of the last 37 years and only been relegated once in that time, don't you?

Southampton have one of the best Academies in the world, have 30k+ through the gate each week, are a club being run well in profit and are currently the 'best of the rest' in terms of the league, not to mention currently playing in Europe.

Do you HONESTLY think Fonte would walk away from being the Captain of Southampton in exchange for a relegation scrap with Villa?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ryu on August 14, 2015, 08:56:30 AM

Quote from: Boris_ on August 14, 2015, 08:51:44 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2015, 12:45:32 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on August 13, 2015, 12:27:04 PM

Quote from: Summers on August 13, 2015, 12:22:28 PM

Although.. checking twitter seeing all the Soton fans saying "why would he leave us and European football for a relegation battle in a shithole.." and saying it'll never happen makes me 100% up for this. Sign him up, just to piss off the wankers.

Because they're a small club who have had a couple of good seasons in the last 30 years, that's why c***s, don't get above your station.

Just like yo-yo champions Leicester and Stoke, a side that were build on borderline cheating. You've had a couple of decent seasons where you either haven't been relegated or finished around 10th, calm down dears.

I honestly hate - hate - just or recently promoted clubs.

They get into the top flight and they're full of all that "Premier League, you're having a laugh" bollocks just because they're over excited at being able to visit big grounds. They are pretty much always a bunch of overexcited twats who were doubtless nowhere near their club for decades while they were mooking about in the third division.

They manage to stay in the top flight a couple of years, after years and years of being a pointless yo-yo club, and they're all giving it big about "clubs like Villa".

I read that stuff about Stoke fans the other day and it made me want to vomit. Honestly, years of not being in the top flight, a few of being there and becoming the absolute by-word for dirty, cynical, zero entertainment, followed by a short spell of being less fuck ugly to watch and a bit of spending and they think they're Barcelona.

Remember those ingratiating, smug Stoke twats we used to get on here?

I hate these people.

You do realise Southampton have been in the top flight for 30 out of the last 37 years and only been relegated once in that time, don't you?

Southampton have one of the best Academies in the world, have 30k+ through the gate each week, are a club being run well in profit and are currently the 'best of the rest' in terms of the league, not to mention currently playing in Europe.

Do you HONESTLY think Fonte would walk away from being the Captain of Southampton in exchange for a relegation scrap with Villa?

Interesting first post on a Villa forum.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Boris_ on August 14, 2015, 09:00:16 AM

Quote from: aj2k77 on August 13, 2015, 03:07:11 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2015, 12:45:32 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on August 13, 2015, 12:27:04 PM

Quote from: Summers on August 13, 2015, 12:22:28 PM

Although.. checking twitter seeing all the Soton fans saying "why would he leave us and European football for a relegation battle in a shithole.." and saying it'll never happen makes me 100% up for this. Sign him up, just to piss off the wankers.

Because they're a small club who have had a couple of good seasons in the last 30 years, that's why c***s, don't get above your station.

Just like yo-yo champions Leicester and Stoke, a side that were build on borderline cheating. You've had a couple of decent seasons where you either haven't been relegated or finished around 10th, calm down dears.

I honestly hate - hate - just or recently promoted clubs.

They get into the top flight and they're full of all that "Premier League, you're having a laugh" bollocks just because they're over excited at being able to visit big grounds. They are pretty much always a bunch of overexcited twats who were doubtless nowhere near their club for decades while they were mooking about in the third division.

They manage to stay in the top flight a couple of years, after years and years of being a pointless yo-yo club, and they're all giving it big about "clubs like Villa".

I read that stuff about Stoke fans the other day and it made me want to vomit. Honestly, years of not being in the top flight, a few of being there and becoming the absolute by-word for dirty, cynical, zero entertainment, followed by a short spell of being less fuck ugly to watch and a bit of spending and they think they're Barcelona.

Remember those ingratiating, smug Stoke twats we used to get on here?

I hate these people.

Stoke, a City as close to purgatory as you could imagine, playing a version of Football not seen since Wimbledon bludgeoned there way up the divisions with a mix of intimidation, thuggery and big bastards in the air. They invented the designated throw in taker ffs, and a twat at the sidelines with a towel tucked in his massive waist line to help when it was wet.

Just 8 years ago, that's all, 8, we're playing infront of 16,000 attendances in a promotion season, with 2 top 10 finishes in the top flight IN 40 FUCKING YEARS, the last two. If anything sums up the Sky sports, transfer fee rolling total, Chelsea are a huge club, memory like a goldfish generation it's these wankers.

Two season in 40 years they've finished as a top 10 side, probably finished above us on a handful of occasions, I wouldn't be surprised if they've never had an average attendance higher than ours and they've the cheek to look down on us as a perennial, boring, non entity small club.

They can get to fuck the clowns, they're tiny. And as for Southampton, how many times did they have debts cancelled and go in to administration? Nothing more than fucking cheats and piss pot clubs.

This is why we've needed to get our shit in order, having clubs like Southampton, Stoke and Leicester trying to throw their weight around makes me sick. We need to start twatting them again, in front of 40,000's to remind their tiny memories of what we are like, 5 years is too long for the little sky boys to remember.

Who bloody are ya.

We went in to administration because of an overdraft of £5m and a mortgage. A debt of less than a Luke Shaw fee. The debts were paid off on purchase.

This happened just once.

Some of you don't seem to know much about football, do you?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Boris_ on August 14, 2015, 09:01:21 AM

Quote from: Ryu on August 14, 2015, 08:56:30 AM

Quote from: Boris_ on August 14, 2015, 08:51:44 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2015, 12:45:32 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on August 13, 2015, 12:27:04 PM

Quote from: Summers on August 13, 2015, 12:22:28 PM

Although.. checking twitter seeing all the Soton fans saying "why would he leave us and European football for a relegation battle in a shithole.." and saying it'll never happen makes me 100% up for this. Sign him up, just to piss off the wankers.

Because they're a small club who have had a couple of good seasons in the last 30 years, that's why c***s, don't get above your station.

Just like yo-yo champions Leicester and Stoke, a side that were build on borderline cheating. You've had a couple of decent seasons where you either haven't been relegated or finished around 10th, calm down dears.

I honestly hate - hate - just or recently promoted clubs.

They get into the top flight and they're full of all that "Premier League, you're having a laugh" bollocks just because they're over excited at being able to visit big grounds. They are pretty much always a bunch of overexcited twats who were doubtless nowhere near their club for decades while they were mooking about in the third division.

They manage to stay in the top flight a couple of years, after years and years of being a pointless yo-yo club, and they're all giving it big about "clubs like Villa".

I read that stuff about Stoke fans the other day and it made me want to vomit. Honestly, years of not being in the top flight, a few of being there and becoming the absolute by-word for dirty, cynical, zero entertainment, followed by a short spell of being less fuck ugly to watch and a bit of spending and they think they're Barcelona.

Remember those ingratiating, smug Stoke twats we used to get on here?

I hate these people.

You do realise Southampton have been in the top flight for 30 out of the last 37 years and only been relegated once in that time, don't you?

Southampton have one of the best Academies in the world, have 30k+ through the gate each week, are a club being run well in profit and are currently the 'best of the rest' in terms of the league, not to mention currently playing in Europe.

Do you HONESTLY think Fonte would walk away from being the Captain of Southampton in exchange for a relegation scrap with Villa?

Interesting first post on a Villa forum.

Just putting some of your deluded fans right.

I'm off again now.  :-*

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 14, 2015, 09:01:52 AM

Quote from: Boris_ on August 14, 2015, 08:51:44 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2015, 12:45:32 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on August 13, 2015, 12:27:04 PM

Quote from: Summers on August 13, 2015, 12:22:28 PM

Although.. checking twitter seeing all the Soton fans saying "why would he leave us and European football for a relegation battle in a shithole.." and saying it'll never happen makes me 100% up for this. Sign him up, just to piss off the wankers.

Because they're a small club who have had a couple of good seasons in the last 30 years, that's why c***s, don't get above your station.

Just like yo-yo champions Leicester and Stoke, a side that were build on borderline cheating. You've had a couple of decent seasons where you either haven't been relegated or finished around 10th, calm down dears.

I honestly hate - hate - just or recently promoted clubs.

They get into the top flight and they're full of all that "Premier League, you're having a laugh" bollocks just because they're over excited at being able to visit big grounds. They are pretty much always a bunch of overexcited twats who were doubtless nowhere near their club for decades while they were mooking about in the third division.

They manage to stay in the top flight a couple of years, after years and years of being a pointless yo-yo club, and they're all giving it big about "clubs like Villa".

I read that stuff about Stoke fans the other day and it made me want to vomit. Honestly, years of not being in the top flight, a few of being there and becoming the absolute by-word for dirty, cynical, zero entertainment, followed by a short spell of being less fuck ugly to watch and a bit of spending and they think they're Barcelona.

Remember those ingratiating, smug Stoke twats we used to get on here?

I hate these people.

You do realise Southampton have been in the top flight for 30 out of the last 37 years and only been relegated once in that time, don't you?

Southampton have one of the best Academies in the world, have 30k+ through the gate each week, are a club being run well in profit and are currently the 'best of the rest' in terms of the league, not to mention currently playing in Europe.

Do you HONESTLY think Fonte would walk away from being the Captain of Southampton in exchange for a relegation scrap with Villa?

How is life  just up The Solent from Portsmouth?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 14, 2015, 09:02:10 AM

It's definitely not the Boris I know.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on August 14, 2015, 09:03:38 AM

Southampton can't be that exciting a club if you have to go mooching around on a Villa forum trolling us over a transfer link.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ryu on August 14, 2015, 09:03:57 AM

Quote from: Boris_ on August 14, 2015, 09:01:21 AM

Quote from: Ryu on August 14, 2015, 08:56:30 AM

Quote from: Boris_ on August 14, 2015, 08:51:44 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2015, 12:45:32 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on August 13, 2015, 12:27:04 PM

Quote from: Summers on August 13, 2015, 12:22:28 PM

Although.. checking twitter seeing all the Soton fans saying "why would he leave us and European football for a relegation battle in a shithole.." and saying it'll never happen makes me 100% up for this. Sign him up, just to piss off the wankers.

Because they're a small club who have had a couple of good seasons in the last 30 years, that's why c***s, don't get above your station.

Just like yo-yo champions Leicester and Stoke, a side that were build on borderline cheating. You've had a couple of decent seasons where you either haven't been relegated or finished around 10th, calm down dears.

I honestly hate - hate - just or recently promoted clubs.

They get into the top flight and they're full of all that "Premier League, you're having a laugh" bollocks just because they're over excited at being able to visit big grounds. They are pretty much always a bunch of overexcited twats who were doubtless nowhere near their club for decades while they were mooking about in the third division.

They manage to stay in the top flight a couple of years, after years and years of being a pointless yo-yo club, and they're all giving it big about "clubs like Villa".

I read that stuff about Stoke fans the other day and it made me want to vomit. Honestly, years of not being in the top flight, a few of being there and becoming the absolute by-word for dirty, cynical, zero entertainment, followed by a short spell of being less fuck ugly to watch and a bit of spending and they think they're Barcelona.

Remember those ingratiating, smug Stoke twats we used to get on here?

I hate these people.

You do realise Southampton have been in the top flight for 30 out of the last 37 years and only been relegated once in that time, don't you?

Southampton have one of the best Academies in the world, have 30k+ through the gate each week, are a club being run well in profit and are currently the 'best of the rest' in terms of the league, not to mention currently playing in Europe.

Do you HONESTLY think Fonte would walk away from being the Captain of Southampton in exchange for a relegation scrap with Villa?

Interesting first post on a Villa forum.

Just putting some of your deluded fans right.

I'm off again now.  :-*

Because you know for  a fact we will be in a relegation scrap?  And that you won't?  Your better players from last season wanting to play for Liverpool and Spurs doesn't bode well for wanting to be the best of the rest...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on August 14, 2015, 09:07:41 AM

Quote from: RussellC on August 14, 2015, 08:23:57 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2015, 11:56:56 PM

What an inspired signing Senderos turned out to be.

Whatever the reasoning behind going for Senderos over Lescott last summer, it will always rank to me as one of Villa's most baffling transfers.

I would assume it came down to the difference in their wage demands. Lescott is supposedly on £50k a week. We weren't paying those wages last year.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 14, 2015, 09:09:49 AM

Thing is Southampton are well run and they have done well the last couple of years, but it doesn't change the fact that their just a bit dull. Also where they are at the moment is that absolute maximum they can achieve. They won't ever average crowds of more than 30K or push further. So well done to them they've done as much as they ever can.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: richard moore on August 14, 2015, 09:10:25 AM

Quote from: curiousorange on August 14, 2015, 09:03:38 AM

Southampton can't be that exciting a club if you have to go mooching around on a Villa forum trolling us over a transfer link.

You would if you lived there. It's a dump, full of chavs and makes Portsmouth look like the Riviera, which is saying something. The ground is an awful part of the city, which doesn't really tell you much because it is all awful, and is about as identikit as it's possible to be and, it always seems to me, full of blonde overweight women with Southampton shirts on.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 14, 2015, 09:12:38 AM

Look he's crawling up my wall
Black & hairy, very small
now he's up above my head
hanging by a little thread
Boris! Boris the spider!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ryu on August 14, 2015, 09:12:55 AM

Quote from: richard moore on August 14, 2015, 09:10:25 AM

Quote from: curiousorange on August 14, 2015, 09:03:38 AM

Southampton can't be that exciting a club if you have to go mooching around on a Villa forum trolling us over a transfer link.

You would if you lived there. It's a dump, full of chavs and makes Portsmouth look like the Riviera, which is saying something. The ground is an awful part of the city, which doesn't really tell you much because it is all awful, and is about as identikit as it's possible to be and, it always seems to me, full of blonde overweight women with Southampton shirts on.

It's fortunate for them that the local team plays in vertical stripes, which are slimming.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on August 14, 2015, 09:15:05 AM

Quote from: Boris_ on August 14, 2015, 09:00:16 AM

Quote from: aj2k77 on August 13, 2015, 03:07:11 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2015, 12:45:32 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on August 13, 2015, 12:27:04 PM

Quote from: Summers on August 13, 2015, 12:22:28 PM

Although.. checking twitter seeing all the Soton fans saying "why would he leave us and European football for a relegation battle in a shithole.." and saying it'll never happen makes me 100% up for this. Sign him up, just to piss off the wankers.

Because they're a small club who have had a couple of good seasons in the last 30 years, that's why c***s, don't get above your station.

Just like yo-yo champions Leicester and Stoke, a side that were build on borderline cheating. You've had a couple of decent seasons where you either haven't been relegated or finished around 10th, calm down dears.

I honestly hate - hate - just or recently promoted clubs.

They get into the top flight and they're full of all that "Premier League, you're having a laugh" bollocks just because they're over excited at being able to visit big grounds. They are pretty much always a bunch of overexcited twats who were doubtless nowhere near their club for decades while they were mooking about in the third division.

They manage to stay in the top flight a couple of years, after years and years of being a pointless yo-yo club, and they're all giving it big about "clubs like Villa".

I read that stuff about Stoke fans the other day and it made me want to vomit. Honestly, years of not being in the top flight, a few of being there and becoming the absolute by-word for dirty, cynical, zero entertainment, followed by a short spell of being less fuck ugly to watch and a bit of spending and they think they're Barcelona.

Remember those ingratiating, smug Stoke twats we used to get on here?

I hate these people.

Stoke, a City as close to purgatory as you could imagine, playing a version of Football not seen since Wimbledon bludgeoned there way up the divisions with a mix of intimidation, thuggery and big bastards in the air. They invented the designated throw in taker ffs, and a twat at the sidelines with a towel tucked in his massive waist line to help when it was wet.

Just 8 years ago, that's all, 8, we're playing infront of 16,000 attendances in a promotion season, with 2 top 10 finishes in the top flight IN 40 FUCKING YEARS, the last two. If anything sums up the Sky sports, transfer fee rolling total, Chelsea are a huge club, memory like a goldfish generation it's these wankers.

Two season in 40 years they've finished as a top 10 side, probably finished above us on a handful of occasions, I wouldn't be surprised if they've never had an average attendance higher than ours and they've the cheek to look down on us as a perennial, boring, non entity small club.

They can get to fuck the clowns, they're tiny. And as for Southampton, how many times did they have debts cancelled and go in to administration? Nothing more than fucking cheats and piss pot clubs.

This is why we've needed to get our shit in order, having clubs like Southampton, Stoke and Leicester trying to throw their weight around makes me sick. We need to start twatting them again, in front of 40,000's to remind their tiny memories of what we are like, 5 years is too long for the little sky boys to remember.

Who bloody are ya.

We went in to administration because of an overdraft of £5m and a mortgage. A debt of less than a Luke Shaw fee. The debts were paid off on purchase.

This happened just once.

Some of you don't seem to know much about football, do you?

Bill Shankly knew a lot about football. He called you "an alehouse team" Come on a bit since those days granted but still a small time club in size and stature.....like Bournemouth!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 14, 2015, 09:16:50 AM

Quote from: Boris_ on August 14, 2015, 08:51:44 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2015, 12:45:32 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on August 13, 2015, 12:27:04 PM

Quote from: Summers on August 13, 2015, 12:22:28 PM

Although.. checking twitter seeing all the Soton fans saying "why would he leave us and European football for a relegation battle in a shithole.." and saying it'll never happen makes me 100% up for this. Sign him up, just to piss off the wankers.

Because they're a small club who have had a couple of good seasons in the last 30 years, that's why c***s, don't get above your station.

Just like yo-yo champions Leicester and Stoke, a side that were build on borderline cheating. You've had a couple of decent seasons where you either haven't been relegated or finished around 10th, calm down dears.

I honestly hate - hate - just or recently promoted clubs.

They get into the top flight and they're full of all that "Premier League, you're having a laugh" bollocks just because they're over excited at being able to visit big grounds. They are pretty much always a bunch of overexcited twats who were doubtless nowhere near their club for decades while they were mooking about in the third division.

They manage to stay in the top flight a couple of years, after years and years of being a pointless yo-yo club, and they're all giving it big about "clubs like Villa".

I read that stuff about Stoke fans the other day and it made me want to vomit. Honestly, years of not being in the top flight, a few of being there and becoming the absolute by-word for dirty, cynical, zero entertainment, followed by a short spell of being less fuck ugly to watch and a bit of spending and they think they're Barcelona.

Remember those ingratiating, smug Stoke twats we used to get on here?

I hate these people.

You do realise Southampton have been in the top flight for 30 out of the last 37 years and only been relegated once in that time, don't you?

Southampton have one of the best Academies in the world, have 30k+ through the gate each week, are a club being run well in profit and are currently the 'best of the rest' in terms of the league, not to mention currently playing in Europe.

Do you HONESTLY think Fonte would walk away from being the Captain of Southampton in exchange for a relegation scrap with Villa?

You do realise that listing achievements such as "being in the top flight for 30 out of 37 years" and "30,000 gates" is exactly what seperates your no-mark, won fuck all, piss pot club from a fine institution such as ours.

You're Birmingham City on a good streak, your time will come and go, and the limit of your achievement will be a league cup.

So kindly fuck off.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ryu on August 14, 2015, 09:19:22 AM

Quote from: Ron Manager on August 14, 2015, 09:15:05 AM

Quote from: Boris_ on August 14, 2015, 09:00:16 AM

Quote from: aj2k77 on August 13, 2015, 03:07:11 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2015, 12:45:32 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on August 13, 2015, 12:27:04 PM

Quote from: Summers on August 13, 2015, 12:22:28 PM

Although.. checking twitter seeing all the Soton fans saying "why would he leave us and European football for a relegation battle in a shithole.." and saying it'll never happen makes me 100% up for this. Sign him up, just to piss off the wankers.

Because they're a small club who have had a couple of good seasons in the last 30 years, that's why c***s, don't get above your station.

Just like yo-yo champions Leicester and Stoke, a side that were build on borderline cheating. You've had a couple of decent seasons where you either haven't been relegated or finished around 10th, calm down dears.

I honestly hate - hate - just or recently promoted clubs.

They get into the top flight and they're full of all that "Premier League, you're having a laugh" bollocks just because they're over excited at being able to visit big grounds. They are pretty much always a bunch of overexcited twats who were doubtless nowhere near their club for decades while they were mooking about in the third division.

They manage to stay in the top flight a couple of years, after years and years of being a pointless yo-yo club, and they're all giving it big about "clubs like Villa".

I read that stuff about Stoke fans the other day and it made me want to vomit. Honestly, years of not being in the top flight, a few of being there and becoming the absolute by-word for dirty, cynical, zero entertainment, followed by a short spell of being less fuck ugly to watch and a bit of spending and they think they're Barcelona.

Remember those ingratiating, smug Stoke twats we used to get on here?

I hate these people.

Stoke, a City as close to purgatory as you could imagine, playing a version of Football not seen since Wimbledon bludgeoned there way up the divisions with a mix of intimidation, thuggery and big bastards in the air. They invented the designated throw in taker ffs, and a twat at the sidelines with a towel tucked in his massive waist line to help when it was wet.

Just 8 years ago, that's all, 8, we're playing infront of 16,000 attendances in a promotion season, with 2 top 10 finishes in the top flight IN 40 FUCKING YEARS, the last two. If anything sums up the Sky sports, transfer fee rolling total, Chelsea are a huge club, memory like a goldfish generation it's these wankers.

Two season in 40 years they've finished as a top 10 side, probably finished above us on a handful of occasions, I wouldn't be surprised if they've never had an average attendance higher than ours and they've the cheek to look down on us as a perennial, boring, non entity small club.

They can get to fuck the clowns, they're tiny. And as for Southampton, how many times did they have debts cancelled and go in to administration? Nothing more than fucking cheats and piss pot clubs.

This is why we've needed to get our shit in order, having clubs like Southampton, Stoke and Leicester trying to throw their weight around makes me sick. We need to start twatting them again, in front of 40,000's to remind their tiny memories of what we are like, 5 years is too long for the little sky boys to remember.

Who bloody are ya.

We went in to administration because of an overdraft of £5m and a mortgage. A debt of less than a Luke Shaw fee. The debts were paid off on purchase.

This happened just once.

Some of you don't seem to know much about football, do you?

Bill Shankly knew a lot about football. He called you "an alehouse team" Come on a bit since those days granted but still a small time club in size and stature.....like Bournemouth!

The bit in bold puzzles me when Boris says he's educating us about football?  Do we now have to turn up and sing songs about paying off debts through player sales?  Football sure has changed.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 14, 2015, 09:21:15 AM

And Southampton will have been in a hell of a lot of relegation scraps in that 30 years out of 37, a damn sight more than Villa. And what have they won in that time?

To be honest I don't have a problem with Southampton at all, almost been pleased to see them making a relative success of themselves recently without throwing the sums of money around that some do. It's ridiculous that they consider it such a joke that one of their players might want to come here though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: richardhubbard on August 14, 2015, 09:21:24 AM

We can take the piss out of Southampton but remember they are in Europe and the last 5-10 years has produced

Gareth Bale
Theo Walcott
Alex Chamberlian
Adam Lallana
Luke Shaw

Turned Ricky Lambert into an England international and finish it top 7

We finished in bottom5 sold our best players and produced

Weinmann
Ridgwell
Moore
etc etc

If we had their players and our combined potential we been in the champions league!

 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on August 14, 2015, 09:21:25 AM

I like the way that within one truly devastating comment, we've been put "right" over our place in the natural order of things.

Anybody else find fans of suddenly-decent clubs like Southampton a bit 'new money'?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 14, 2015, 09:33:45 AM

Quote from: Marlon From Bearwood on August 14, 2015, 09:07:41 AM

Quote from: RussellC on August 14, 2015, 08:23:57 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2015, 11:56:56 PM

What an inspired signing Senderos turned out to be.

Whatever the reasoning behind going for Senderos over Lescott last summer, it will always rank to me as one of Villa's most baffling transfers.

I would assume it came down to the difference in their wage demands. Lescott is supposedly on £50k a week. We weren't paying those wages last year.

You're probably right, but in which case I think most people would have advocated not signing Joe Cole to make-up the difference. Whichever way you look t it, it will always strike me as an utterly bizzare signing. Yes he was actually pretty decent in the handful of games he played, but the fact that he then spent a huge amount of time out injured should have come as no shock whatsoever given his injury history.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ryu on August 14, 2015, 09:38:20 AM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 14, 2015, 09:21:15 AM

And Southampton will have been in a hell of a lot of relegation scraps in that 30 years out of 37, a damn sight more than Villa. And what have they won in that time?

To be honest I don't have a problem with Southampton at all, almost been pleased to see them making a relative success of themselves recently without throwing the sums of money around that some do. It's ridiculous that they consider it such a joke that one of their players might want to come here though.

Yeah.  If we agreed a deal with them for someone like Fonte I think it's pretty likely they would come here.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 14, 2015, 09:38:42 AM

Quote from: Boris_ on August 14, 2015, 08:51:44 AM

You do realise Southampton have been in the top flight for 30 out of the last 37 years and only been relegated once in that time, don't you?

If you've only been relegated once in that time, how did you end up in League One?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 14, 2015, 09:43:28 AM

Quote from: Dave on August 14, 2015, 09:38:42 AM

Quote from: Boris_ on August 14, 2015, 08:51:44 AM

You do realise Southampton have been in the top flight for 30 out of the last 37 years and only been relegated once in that time, don't you?

If you've only been relegated once in that time, how did you end up in League One?

Spotters badge for Dave.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 14, 2015, 09:43:35 AM

Quote from: Dave on August 14, 2015, 09:38:42 AM

Quote from: Boris_ on August 14, 2015, 08:51:44 AM

You do realise Southampton have been in the top flight for 30 out of the last 37 years and only been relegated once in that time, don't you?

If you've only been relegated once in that time, how did you end up in League One?

They were so bad the league ordered them to drop two divisions.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: richard moore on August 14, 2015, 09:45:32 AM

Quote from: LeeB on August 14, 2015, 09:43:28 AM

Quote from: Dave on August 14, 2015, 09:38:42 AM

Quote from: Boris_ on August 14, 2015, 08:51:44 AM

You do realise Southampton have been in the top flight for 30 out of the last 37 years and only been relegated once in that time, don't you?

If you've only been relegated once in that time, how did you end up in League One?

Spotters badge for Dave.

he had one of those a long time ago (only joking Dave...well maybe! :-) )

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 14, 2015, 10:08:03 AM

Quote from: Boris_ on August 14, 2015, 08:51:44 AM

You do realise Southampton have been in the top flight for 30 out of the last 37 years and only been relegated once in that time, don't you?

The very fact that you see having been out of the top flight for 7 of the last 37 years as something to boast about says it all.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 14, 2015, 10:09:35 AM

Quote from: curiousorange on August 14, 2015, 09:21:25 AM

I like the way that within one truly devastating comment, we've been put "right" over our place in the natural order of things.

See, that's exactly what I meant about how cocky gobshite clubs who manage to string a handful of seasons in the top flight together, have a good season or two, suddenly think they're giants entitled to disparage the likes of us.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Small Rodent on August 14, 2015, 10:11:32 AM

Quote from: Boris_ on August 14, 2015, 08:51:44 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2015, 12:45:32 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on August 13, 2015, 12:27:04 PM

Quote from: Summers on August 13, 2015, 12:22:28 PM

Although.. checking twitter seeing all the Soton fans saying "why would he leave us and European football for a relegation battle in a shithole.." and saying it'll never happen makes me 100% up for this. Sign him up, just to piss off the wankers.

Because they're a small club who have had a couple of good seasons in the last 30 years, that's why c***s, don't get above your station.

Just like yo-yo champions Leicester and Stoke, a side that were build on borderline cheating. You've had a couple of decent seasons where you either haven't been relegated or finished around 10th, calm down dears.

I honestly hate - hate - just or recently promoted clubs.

They get into the top flight and they're full of all that "Premier League, you're having a laugh" bollocks just because they're over excited at being able to visit big grounds. They are pretty much always a bunch of overexcited twats who were doubtless nowhere near their club for decades while they were mooking about in the third division.

They manage to stay in the top flight a couple of years, after years and years of being a pointless yo-yo club, and they're all giving it big about "clubs like Villa".

I read that stuff about Stoke fans the other day and it made me want to vomit. Honestly, years of not being in the top flight, a few of being there and becoming the absolute by-word for dirty, cynical, zero entertainment, followed by a short spell of being less fuck ugly to watch and a bit of spending and they think they're Barcelona.

Remember those ingratiating, smug Stoke twats we used to get on here?

I hate these people.

You do realise Southampton have been in the top flight for 30 out of the last 37 years and only been relegated once in that time, don't you?

Southampton have one of the best Academies in the world, have 30k+ through the gate each week, are a club being run well in profit and are currently the 'best of the rest' in terms of the league, not to mention currently playing in Europe.

Do you HONESTLY think Fonte would walk away from being the Captain of Southampton in exchange for a relegation scrap with Villa?

Who is your "first" team?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Boris_ on August 14, 2015, 10:12:25 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 14, 2015, 10:09:35 AM

Quote from: curiousorange on August 14, 2015, 09:21:25 AM

I like the way that within one truly devastating comment, we've been put "right" over our place in the natural order of things.

See, that's exactly what I meant about how cocky gobshite clubs who manage to string a handful of seasons in the top flight together, have a good season or two, suddenly think they're giants entitled to disparage the likes of us.

We were in the top flight for 27 years previous to our relegation? 'handful of seasons' ?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Boris_ on August 14, 2015, 10:14:12 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 14, 2015, 10:09:35 AM

Quote from: curiousorange on August 14, 2015, 09:21:25 AM

I like the way that within one truly devastating comment, we've been put "right" over our place in the natural order of things.

See, that's exactly what I meant about how cocky gobshite clubs who manage to string a handful of seasons in the top flight together, have a good season or two, suddenly think they're giants entitled to disparage the likes of us.

Doesn't make Southampton a yo-yo club though does it you clown? We've only be relegated from and promoted to the top division once in 37 years.

Do they have education in Birmingham?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: damon loves JT on August 14, 2015, 10:16:28 AM

There's nothing to disrespect about Southampton's aspirations: to be 'a well-run club' and not to be out of the top flight more than about 25% of the time.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ryu on August 14, 2015, 10:18:35 AM

Quote from: Boris_ on August 14, 2015, 10:14:12 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 14, 2015, 10:09:35 AM

Quote from: curiousorange on August 14, 2015, 09:21:25 AM

I like the way that within one truly devastating comment, we've been put "right" over our place in the natural order of things.

See, that's exactly what I meant about how cocky gobshite clubs who manage to string a handful of seasons in the top flight together, have a good season or two, suddenly think they're giants entitled to disparage the likes of us.

Doesn't make Southampton a yo-yo club though does it you clown? We've only be relegated from and promoted to the top division once in 37 years.

Do they have education in Birmingham?

Don't start throwing childish insults around.  You're pretty funny it would be a shame if you got banned our kid.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: damon loves JT on August 14, 2015, 10:20:14 AM

If Southampton had had the last three or four seasons we've had, they wouldn't be too unhappy. Stayed  solvent, remained in the top flight, reached a cup final. For us they've been a nightmare. That's the difference between our aspirations.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 14, 2015, 10:25:02 AM

I've got to be honest, and it's not something I'm proud of, I've just Googled Southampton's list of major honours and was amazed to see that  it starts and finishes with oen FA Cup Win.

For a club that's 129 years old that's nothing short of piss poor.

With that in mind, may I humbly suggest that you start by trolling the message-boards of some of your peers, like Old Etonians or Clapham Rovers before moving on to the bigger clubs?

Edit - sorry, I've just realised that Old Etonians have won the FA Cup twice. I'd maybe give them a swerve too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Boris_ on August 14, 2015, 10:25:20 AM

We are playing in Europe this season, finished 7th last season, running in a healthy profit, Academy keeps churning out players.

Why would we be happy with your last 3 seasons? ( Serious question )

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 14, 2015, 10:27:42 AM

Quote from: Boris_ on August 14, 2015, 10:25:20 AM

We are playing in Europe this season, finished 7th last season, running in a healthy profit, Academy keeps churning out players.

Why would we be happy with your last 3 seasons? ( Serious question )

I'm sure if you print that out on some headed-A4 Paper it'll look just swell in your trophy cabinet.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: damon loves JT on August 14, 2015, 10:28:20 AM

Quote from: Boris_ on August 14, 2015, 10:25:20 AM

We are playing in Europe this season, finished 7th last season, running in a healthy profit, Academy keeps churning out players.

Why would we be happy with your last 3 seasons? ( Serious question )

Sorry mate, we're all a bit busy on the Adama Traore transfer thread. Will get back to you

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 14, 2015, 10:28:49 AM

PS - you seem to have missed Dave's question regarding one relegation...?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ryu on August 14, 2015, 10:30:50 AM

Quote from: Boris_ on August 14, 2015, 10:25:20 AM

We are playing in Europe this season, finished 7th last season, running in a healthy profit, Academy keeps churning out players.

Why would we be happy with your last 3 seasons? ( Serious question )

I have to admit you make a good point with the academy.  Maybe you should just do a merger with Arsenal or someone and just focus on the youth teams and claim their success as your own?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 14, 2015, 10:33:35 AM

Quote from: Ryu on August 14, 2015, 10:30:50 AM

Quote from: Boris_ on August 14, 2015, 10:25:20 AM

We are playing in Europe this season, finished 7th last season, running in a healthy profit, Academy keeps churning out players.

Why would we be happy with your last 3 seasons? ( Serious question )

I have to admit you make a good point with the academy.  Maybe you should just do a merger with Arsenal or someone and just focus on the youth teams and claim their success as your own?

I certainly sleep more soundly at night knowing that Gareth Barry has 2 Premier League winners medals. Quite frankly, I get more and more dismayed every time I open a Villa Programme and it's not listed amongst our achievements.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on August 14, 2015, 10:35:29 AM

I keep reading about this academy that Southampton have, but to be honest, Bale aside I'm not raving about any of the players it's produced. They're okay but nothing to shout from the rooftops about.

And it must be AMAZING for your club to produce all of these stunners and have them leave at the first hint of interest from somewhere else.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on August 14, 2015, 10:36:09 AM

Quote from: Boris_ on August 14, 2015, 08:51:44 AM

You do realise Southampton have been in the top flight for 30 out of the last 37 years and only been relegated once in that time, don't you?

You should put that under the club badge, seems like it is a major accolade.

Though for clubs like Southampton, I suppose it is.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ryu on August 14, 2015, 10:37:12 AM

Quote from: RussellC on August 14, 2015, 10:33:35 AM

Quote from: Ryu on August 14, 2015, 10:30:50 AM

Quote from: Boris_ on August 14, 2015, 10:25:20 AM

We are playing in Europe this season, finished 7th last season, running in a healthy profit, Academy keeps churning out players.

Why would we be happy with your last 3 seasons? ( Serious question )

I have to admit you make a good point with the academy.  Maybe you should just do a merger with Arsenal or someone and just focus on the youth teams and claim their success as your own?

I certainly sleep more soundly at night knowing that Gareth Barry has 2 Premier League winners medals. Quite frankly, I get more and more dismayed every time I open a Villa Programme and it's not listed amongst our achievements.

Could we do it the other way round as well?  Now we have Traore did we win the CL last season?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: warleyboy on August 14, 2015, 10:38:33 AM

Sorry to change subject guys, and honestly could not give a shite about any other club, but the signing today is pretty awesome.
It has been a long time since I have been this overwhelmed with some great acquisitions.
Do not want to be greedy, but would like a RB before the window closes.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: damon loves JT on August 14, 2015, 10:40:39 AM

Quote from: Boris_ on August 14, 2015, 10:25:20 AM

We are playing in Europe this season, finished 7th last season, running in a healthy profit, Academy keeps churning out players.

Why would we be happy with your last 3 seasons? ( Serious question )

I gave the reasons in my original post. Any season where Southampton stay solvent and don't get relegated, you think about hiring an open-topped bus.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 14, 2015, 10:41:06 AM

Quote from: warleyboy on August 14, 2015, 10:38:33 AM

Sorry to change subject guys, and honestly could not give a shite about any other club, but the signing today is pretty awesome.
It has been a long time since I have been this overwhelmed with some great acquisitions.
Do not want to be greedy, but would like a RB before the window closes.

Completely agree. Any idea who’s playing RB for Southampton now Clyne’s moved-up to their first team…?




Sorry – couldn’t resist!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ryu on August 14, 2015, 10:42:19 AM

Quote from: warleyboy on August 14, 2015, 10:38:33 AM

Sorry to change subject guys, and honestly could not give a shite about any other club, but the signing today is pretty awesome.
It has been a long time since I have been this overwhelmed with some great acquisitions.
Do not want to be greedy, but would like a RB before the window closes.

If any right back we sign looks as good as Amavi looks otherwise I think we can muddle through.  Did I read that Crespo is injured, though?  Is it serious?

We are meant to be after this lad from Lazio as well, and the interest in Adebayor seemed real so it wouldn't surprise me to see us sign another striker, which would make it 11 signings which I can scarcely believe.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on August 14, 2015, 10:42:24 AM

I was ready to chuck the whole lot in after Wembley - not bother with the Villa, just look out for the results from time to time. I don't think I expected much even after Sherwood said certain players had been given notice. But the transfers in have been incredibly imaginative, not to mention ambitious. How can you not be excited by it?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on August 14, 2015, 10:42:27 AM

Boris doesn't know who he's messing with in taking on Damon

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 14, 2015, 10:42:52 AM

Quote from: richardhubbard on August 14, 2015, 09:21:24 AM

We can take the piss out of Southampton but remember they are in Europe and the last 5-10 years has produced

Gareth Bale
Theo Walcott
Alex Chamberlian
Adam Lallana
Luke Shaw

Turned Ricky Lambert into an England international and finish it top 7

We finished in bottom5 sold our best players and produced

Weinmann
Ridgwell
Moore
etc etc

If we had their players and our combined potential we been in the champions league!

 

See it's all well and good listing their academy players but just how many of those stayed with them when they had a choice to move?  If you can't even hold on to your academy players then you have a problem, yes the money is nice but all it takes is for things to not work out well one summer and they're back in the shit.

I also always find it funny when Villa fans compare our academy to other clubs and are selective about the players they pick from it.

How about Clark, Cahill, Davis (who's playing in the Southampton first team) who are all premier league regulars instead of the 3 you've deemed as failures.

As for Bottom 5/Europe comment, that's down to form, 5 years ago we'd just finished 6th for the 3rd time running and they'd just finished 7th in league 1.  Yes things are going well at southampton right now buts lets no one could seriously think they're a bigger club because of it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on August 14, 2015, 10:49:15 AM

I also think Southampton need to put something in their water supply because by and large, these global superstars they produce seem to be injured more often than not.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 14, 2015, 11:03:19 AM

And he is not in the best of moods Redsox.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 14, 2015, 11:12:26 AM

Where's he gone? Can we start chanting 'you're not singing anymore' at him yet?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on August 14, 2015, 11:15:00 AM

Quote from: tomd2103 on August 14, 2015, 08:44:31 AM

Quote from: eamonn on August 14, 2015, 01:21:54 AM

Not necesscelery. Clark, Richards, Okore and Baker is enough for a team that will play 45 games tops this season (including a heartbreaking semi final).

All four have had their fair share of injuries, so I definitely think we need another option if Senderos is leaving.  I don't want to be in the position again where we are relying on Baker to play a run of games.

I think the plan might be to bring in another defender and then send Baker out on loan for a season - that would offer the chance to see if he genuinely can play at the level required or be in the shop window for lower PL side/top-half Championship side.

If true, that is a decent plan. I've said before that I like Baker but I think that he might be a bit short on quality and his approach to defending - bravely throwing himself in front of everything - is likely to mean he cannot be relied upon to be a regular starter.

Or he could be offered as part of the deal to sign Fonte (don't tell Boris). Barca and the South Coast Giants - how exciting that we are getting to speak to the biggest clubs in Europe. I feel dizzy.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on August 14, 2015, 11:18:44 AM

To be honest, I'm much more excited about signing somebody from Southampton. Their accounts are stunning.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Smoke on August 14, 2015, 11:19:12 AM

Perhaps we could loan baker to little Southampton after all they're a well run profit making academy. Added bonus is this year they're playing in Europe too so extra games to develop him for us.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 14, 2015, 11:21:29 AM

Quote from: Russ aka Big Nose on August 14, 2015, 11:15:00 AM

Quote from: tomd2103 on August 14, 2015, 08:44:31 AM

Quote from: eamonn on August 14, 2015, 01:21:54 AM

Not necesscelery. Clark, Richards, Okore and Baker is enough for a team that will play 45 games tops this season (including a heartbreaking semi final).

All four have had their fair share of injuries, so I definitely think we need another option if Senderos is leaving.  I don't want to be in the position again where we are relying on Baker to play a run of games.

I think the plan might be to bring in another defender and then send Baker out on loan for a season - that would offer the chance to see if he genuinely can play at the level required or be in the shop window for lower PL side/top-half Championship side.

If true, that is a decent plan. I've said before that I like Baker but I think that he might be a bit short on quality and his approach to defending - bravely throwing himself in front of everything - is likely to mean he cannot be relied upon to be a regular starter.

Or he could be offered as part of the deal to sign Fonte (don't tell Boris). Barca and the South Coast Giants - how exciting that we are getting to speak to the biggest clubs in Europe. I feel dizzy.

You might be right with that.  Instead of selling him this summer when we are likely to get a low fee for him, when we can loan him out (I don't think any top flight clubs would be interested) and potentially get a much bigger fee next summer. 

Any news on Donacien's development?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 14, 2015, 11:23:58 AM

I'm honestly not sure why we're plundering the academies of Ligue 1 and Barcelona, when we could be looking a lot closer to home and unearthing the next Francis Benali or Neil Maddison.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 14, 2015, 11:29:53 AM

When we were in the third division our average attendance was higher than Southampton's is now.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on August 14, 2015, 11:33:54 AM

Quote from: curiousorange on August 14, 2015, 11:18:44 AM

To be honest, I'm much more excited about signing somebody from Southampton. Their accounts are stunning.

Corrrrrrr.......check out the amortisation on that little beauty

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 14, 2015, 11:37:01 AM

If clubs are allowed to display a star for every European Cup won, surely there must be an equivalent for every season of solvency?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 14, 2015, 11:40:09 AM

Yes its three golden balls as used by usurers and pawnbrokers.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: papa lazarou on August 14, 2015, 11:44:15 AM

We should take a leaf out of their book and see if George Weah has any cousins who are available.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on August 14, 2015, 11:48:31 AM

First time I went to Southampton was way back in the late 70's early 80's
I'm sure Peter Shilton was in their goal

Anyway I think it was also a night match, and the away fans were put in a cage, and by that I mean an actual cage in the corner of the the old Dell complete with metal railing sides a roof and a gate you couldn't get out of, an animal cage

Unbelievable to think that sort of thing could happen today, it's not a slight on Southampton as all clubs treated fans like cattle on those days, but the cage was s bit OTT

We lost 1-0

as for Southampton there is a lot more clubs I detest first before I get to them

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 14, 2015, 11:51:13 AM

I don't detest Southampton at all. This 'Boris' is a bit of a chump though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ROBBO on August 14, 2015, 12:07:21 PM

The last time i went to Southampton Peter McParland was running down the wing for us, i was that impressed.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Slaphead on August 14, 2015, 12:10:20 PM

Quote from: curiousorange on August 14, 2015, 10:49:15 AM

I also think Southampton need to put something in their water supply because by and large, these global superstars they produce seem to be injured more often than not.

I'm not joking mate, I live in the centre of Southampton and the water is contaminated, most disgusting water I have ever drank. I live on bottled water which must add an extra £35 to my shopping bill every month. Luckily I'm leaving this deluded shit whole to go back to the mother land.

I much prefer Pompey, their fans are genuinely passionate about their club no matter how shit they are where the Scummers... the moment they drop, their fans will be spending their benefit money back in the pub rather than at their ground.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on August 14, 2015, 12:14:37 PM

I like how the first player linked on this thread is Jake Livermore. How a few weeks change things.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 14, 2015, 12:26:20 PM

It's amazing when you think of it. A club that finished 4th bottom on the back of a few years of relegation battles. We've managed to sign Amavi,  Veretout and Traore. Those three alone appear to be very highly rated future stars. That's without even looking at Gueye, Richards etc. We've done an incredible job in terms of recruitment this summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on August 14, 2015, 12:28:50 PM

Quote from: paul_e on August 14, 2015, 10:42:52 AM

Quote from: richardhubbard on August 14, 2015, 09:21:24 AM

We can take the piss out of Southampton but remember they are in Europe and the last 5-10 years has produced

Gareth Bale
Theo Walcott
Alex Chamberlian
Adam Lallana
Luke Shaw

Turned Ricky Lambert into an England international and finish it top 7

We finished in bottom5 sold our best players and produced

Weinmann
Ridgwell
Moore
etc etc

If we had their players and our combined potential we been in the champions league!

 

See it's all well and good listing their academy players but just how many of those stayed with them when they had a choice to move?  If you can't even hold on to your academy players then you have a problem, yes the money is nice but all it takes is for things to not work out well one summer and they're back in the shit.

I also always find it funny when Villa fans compare our academy to other clubs and are selective about the players they pick from it.

How about Clark, Cahill, Davis (who's playing in the Southampton first team) who are all premier league regulars instead of the 3 you've deemed as failures.

As for Bottom 5/Europe comment, that's down to form, 5 years ago we'd just finished 6th for the 3rd time running and they'd just finished 7th in league 1.  Yes things are going well at southampton right now buts lets no one could seriously think they're a bigger club because of it.

Id also add to that Academy list Grealish, Barry, Hendrie, Gabby, Craig Gardner, Nathan Baker, Peter Whittingham. All top flight pro's who have sustained careers at the top of the English League (for varying amounts of time)and come through our youth system at one time or another. Where as alot of our young players move on for 2-5m, they have had a few successes that have moved on for 10-20m. Big fucking cheese. The common denominator is those ones named for them have all moved on and at the absolute peak of Southamptons all time power and success they are still outside of the top 5 with an empty trophy cabinet

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LukeJames on August 14, 2015, 12:49:57 PM

According to sky (I know, I know) Manchester City have bit £2m above Pedro's release clause.... Its all yours chaps ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 14, 2015, 12:52:26 PM

Quote from: Boris_ on August 14, 2015, 08:51:44 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2015, 12:45:32 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on August 13, 2015, 12:27:04 PM

Quote from: Summers on August 13, 2015, 12:22:28 PM

Although.. checking twitter seeing all the Soton fans saying "why would he leave us and European football for a relegation battle in a shithole.." and saying it'll never happen makes me 100% up for this. Sign him up, just to piss off the wankers.

Because they're a small club who have had a couple of good seasons in the last 30 years, that's why c***s, don't get above your station.

Just like yo-yo champions Leicester and Stoke, a side that were build on borderline cheating. You've had a couple of decent seasons where you either haven't been relegated or finished around 10th, calm down dears.

I honestly hate - hate - just or recently promoted clubs.

They get into the top flight and they're full of all that "Premier League, you're having a laugh" bollocks just because they're over excited at being able to visit big grounds. They are pretty much always a bunch of overexcited twats who were doubtless nowhere near their club for decades while they were mooking about in the third division.

They manage to stay in the top flight a couple of years, after years and years of being a pointless yo-yo club, and they're all giving it big about "clubs like Villa".

I read that stuff about Stoke fans the other day and it made me want to vomit. Honestly, years of not being in the top flight, a few of being there and becoming the absolute by-word for dirty, cynical, zero entertainment, followed by a short spell of being less fuck ugly to watch and a bit of spending and they think they're Barcelona.

Remember those ingratiating, smug Stoke twats we used to get on here?

I hate these people.

You do realise Southampton have been in the top flight for 30 out of the last 37 years and only been relegated once in that time, don't you?

Southampton have one of the best Academies in the world, have 30k+ through the gate each week, are a club being run well in profit and are currently the 'best of the rest' in terms of the league, not to mention currently playing in Europe.

Do you HONESTLY think Fonte would walk away from being the Captain of Southampton in exchange for a relegation scrap with Villa?

You do realise Southampton, having spent a quarter of the last 30 years outside the top flight, have also only finished in the top 10 5 times, 2 of those being the last two seasons and for the majority of it averaged around 15,000. I know all about Soton don't worry, two bob club, doing alright the last couple of years, enjoy the limelight whilst it's around.

Every club unless super funded ends up sinking back to it's historic level and you know very well this isn't yours.

Comparing Villa and Southampton is like comparing Audrey Hepburn with some tart from Little mix.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 14, 2015, 12:52:35 PM

Quote from: LukeJames on August 14, 2015, 12:49:57 PM

According to sky (I know, I know) Manchester City have bit £2m above Pedro's release clause.... Its all yours chaps ;)

Another midfielder! Oh Fabian...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LukeJames on August 14, 2015, 12:57:09 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 14, 2015, 12:52:35 PM

Quote from: LukeJames on August 14, 2015, 12:49:57 PM

According to sky (I know, I know) Manchester City have bit £2m above Pedro's release clause.... Its all yours chaps ;)

Another midfielder! Oh Fabian...

I meant the whole release clause business but now you mention it........

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Diablo on August 14, 2015, 12:59:48 PM

Quote from: Boris_ on August 14, 2015, 08:51:44 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2015, 12:45:32 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on August 13, 2015, 12:27:04 PM

Quote from: Summers on August 13, 2015, 12:22:28 PM

Although.. checking twitter seeing all the Soton fans saying "why would he leave us and European football for a relegation battle in a shithole.." and saying it'll never happen makes me 100% up for this. Sign him up, just to piss off the wankers.

Because they're a small club who have had a couple of good seasons in the last 30 years, that's why c***s, don't get above your station.

Just like yo-yo champions Leicester and Stoke, a side that were build on borderline cheating. You've had a couple of decent seasons where you either haven't been relegated or finished around 10th, calm down dears.

I honestly hate - hate - just or recently promoted clubs.

They get into the top flight and they're full of all that "Premier League, you're having a laugh" bollocks just because they're over excited at being able to visit big grounds. They are pretty much always a bunch of overexcited twats who were doubtless nowhere near their club for decades while they were mooking about in the third division.

They manage to stay in the top flight a couple of years, after years and years of being a pointless yo-yo club, and they're all giving it big about "clubs like Villa".

I read that stuff about Stoke fans the other day and it made me want to vomit. Honestly, years of not being in the top flight, a few of being there and becoming the absolute by-word for dirty, cynical, zero entertainment, followed by a short spell of being less fuck ugly to watch and a bit of spending and they think they're Barcelona.

Remember those ingratiating, smug Stoke twats we used to get on here?

I hate these people.

You do realise Southampton have been in the top flight for 30 out of the last 37 years and only been relegated once in that time, don't you?

Southampton have one of the best Academies in the world, have 30k+ through the gate each week, are a club being run well in profit and are currently the 'best of the rest' in terms of the league, not to mention currently playing in Europe.

Do you HONESTLY think Fonte would walk away from being the Captain of Southampton in exchange for a relegation scrap with Villa?

Here's the head to head league placings from the last 41 years. May surprise a few people? It did me. By my reckoning Southampton have finished above us in the league 14 times in the last 41 years. 

It doesn't take into account actual trophies during this time. But with their excellent academy they probably deserve more respect than they're given?

Southampton                Villa
1974-75  Div 2 13th             Div 2 2nd    Above
1975-76 Div 2 6th            Div 1 16th  Above
1976-77 Div 2 9th            Div 1 4th   Above
1977-78 Div 2 2nd            Div 1 8th   Above
1978-79 Div 1 14th             Div 1 8th   Above
1979-80 Div 1 8th            Div 1 7th   Above
1980-81 Div 1 6th            Div 1 1st    Above
81 Div 1 7th               Div 1 11th  Below
82 Div 1 12th               Div 1 6th     Above
83 Div 1 2nd               Div 1 10th  Below
84 Div 1 5th                Div 1 10th    Below
85 Div 1 14th                Div 1 16th  Below
86 Div 1 12th               Div 1 22nd  Below
87 Div 1 12th               Div 2 2nd    Below
88 Div 1 13th               Div 1 17th  Below
89 Div 1 7th               Div 1 2nd     Above
90 Div 1 14th                Div 1 17th Below
91 DIV 116th                Div 1 7th   Above
92 EPL 18th                EPL 2nd   Above
93 EPL 18th                 EPL 10th    Above
94 EPL 10th                EPL 18th   Below
95 EPL 17th                EPL 4th   Above
96 EPL 16th                               EPL 5th   Above
97 EPL 12th                               EPL 7th   Above
98 EPL 17th                EPL 6th    Above
99 EPL 15th                EPL 6th   Above
2000 EPL 10th                     EPL 8th    Above
2001 EPL 11th                     EPL 8th    Above
2002 EPL 8th                EPL 16th   Below
2003 EPL 12th                     EPL 16th   Below
2004 EPL 20th                     EPL 10th   Above
2005 Champ 12th             EPL 16th   Above
2006 Champ 6th                    EPL 11th    Above
2007 Champ 20th             EPL 6th   Above
2008 Champ 23rd            EPL 6th   Above
2009Div 1 7th               EPL 6th   Above
2010 Div 1 2nd                    EPL 9th   Above
2011 Championship 2nd         EPL 16th    Above
2012 EPL 14th                     EPL 15th     Below
2013 EPL 8th               EPL 15th    Below
2014 EPL 7th                EPL 17th   Below

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on August 14, 2015, 01:09:52 PM

Quote from: LukeJames on August 14, 2015, 12:49:57 PM

According to sky (I know, I know) Manchester City have bit £2m above Pedro's release clause.... Its all yours chaps ;)

From over in Other Football

Quote from: UK Redsox on August 14, 2015, 12:06:07 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/OSH7ZNt.jpg) (http://imgur.com/OSH7ZNt)

Either Sky don't understand how this works or not all release clauses are equal

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: *shellac* on August 14, 2015, 01:28:11 PM

I'm worried about this Boris.  Is he the suicidal type?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 14, 2015, 01:33:19 PM

Quote from: Boris_ on August 14, 2015, 10:25:20 AM

We are playing in Europe this season, finished 7th last season, running in a healthy profit, Academy keeps churning out players.

Why would we be happy with your last 3 seasons? ( Serious question )

Boris, calm down dear boy you'll do yourself a mischief!

You do realise it's the press linking Fonte  to us and not a football forum?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 14, 2015, 02:00:58 PM

Just as an gauge, our pitiful performance last season still produced a finishing position better than 64 of the 88 seasons in Southamptons history, so they can fuck off whatever period they want to judge.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rodders on August 14, 2015, 02:08:21 PM

Quote from: Diablo on August 14, 2015, 12:59:48 PM

Quote from: Boris_ on August 14, 2015, 08:51:44 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2015, 12:45:32 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on August 13, 2015, 12:27:04 PM

Quote from: Summers on August 13, 2015, 12:22:28 PM

Although.. checking twitter seeing all the Soton fans saying "why would he leave us and European football for a relegation battle in a shithole.." and saying it'll never happen makes me 100% up for this. Sign him up, just to piss off the wankers.

Because they're a small club who have had a couple of good seasons in the last 30 years, that's why c***s, don't get above your station.

Just like yo-yo champions Leicester and Stoke, a side that were build on borderline cheating. You've had a couple of decent seasons where you either haven't been relegated or finished around 10th, calm down dears.

I honestly hate - hate - just or recently promoted clubs.

They get into the top flight and they're full of all that "Premier League, you're having a laugh" bollocks just because they're over excited at being able to visit big grounds. They are pretty much always a bunch of overexcited twats who were doubtless nowhere near their club for decades while they were mooking about in the third division.

They manage to stay in the top flight a couple of years, after years and years of being a pointless yo-yo club, and they're all giving it big about "clubs like Villa".

I read that stuff about Stoke fans the other day and it made me want to vomit. Honestly, years of not being in the top flight, a few of being there and becoming the absolute by-word for dirty, cynical, zero entertainment, followed by a short spell of being less fuck ugly to watch and a bit of spending and they think they're Barcelona.

Remember those ingratiating, smug Stoke twats we used to get on here?

I hate these people.

You do realise Southampton have been in the top flight for 30 out of the last 37 years and only been relegated once in that time, don't you?

Southampton have one of the best Academies in the world, have 30k+ through the gate each week, are a club being run well in profit and are currently the 'best of the rest' in terms of the league, not to mention currently playing in Europe.

Do you HONESTLY think Fonte would walk away from being the Captain of Southampton in exchange for a relegation scrap with Villa?

Here's the head to head league placings from the last 41 years. May surprise a few people? It did me. By my reckoning Southampton have finished above us in the league 14 times in the last 41 years. 

It doesn't take into account actual trophies during this time. But with their excellent academy they probably deserve more respect than they're given?

Southampton                Villa
1974-75  Div 2 13th             Div 2 2nd    Above
1975-76 Div 2 6th            Div 1 16th  Above
1976-77 Div 2 9th            Div 1 4th   Above
1977-78 Div 2 2nd            Div 1 8th   Above
1978-79 Div 1 14th             Div 1 8th   Above
1979-80 Div 1 8th            Div 1 7th   Above
1980-81 Div 1 6th            Div 1 1st   Above
81 Div 1 7th               Div 1 11th  Below
82 Div 1 12th               Div 1 6th     Above
83 Div 1 2nd               Div 1 10th  Below
84 Div 1 5th                Div 1 10th    Below
85 Div 1 14th                Div 1 16th  Below
86 Div 1 12th               Div 1 22nd  Below
87 Div 1 12th               Div 2 2nd    Below
88 Div 1 13th               Div 1 17th  Below
89 Div 1 7th               Div 1 2nd     Above
90 Div 1 14th                Div 1 17th Below
91 DIV 116th                Div 1 7th   Above
92 EPL 18th                EPL 2nd   Above
93 EPL 18th                 EPL 10th    Above
94 EPL 10th                EPL 18th   Below
95 EPL 17th                EPL 4th   Above
96 EPL 16th                               EPL 5th   Above
97 EPL 12th                               EPL 7th   Above
98 EPL 17th                EPL 6th    Above
99 EPL 15th                EPL 6th   Above
2000 EPL 10th                     EPL 8th    Above
2001 EPL 11th                     EPL 8th    Above
2002 EPL 8th                EPL 16th   Below
2003 EPL 12th                     EPL 16th   Below
2004 EPL 20th                     EPL 10th   Above
2005 Champ 12th             EPL 16th   Above
2006 Champ 6th                    EPL 11th    Above
2007 Champ 20th              EPL 6th   Above
2008 Champ 23rd            EPL 6th   Above
2009Div 1 7th               EPL 6th   Above
2010 Div 1 2nd                    EPL 9th   Above
2011 Championship 2nd         EPL 16th    Above
2012 EPL 14th                     EPL 15th     Below
2013 EPL 8th               EPL 15th    Below
2014 EPL 7th                EPL 17th   Below

Let's have a good old-fashioned tally of top six finishes during that period as well, shall we?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rodders on August 14, 2015, 02:10:49 PM

I enjoyed that. Sorry the formatting went wonky - I tried my best.

07/08 season tells a story. To give them their dues, So'ton have done jolly well to get from relegation from the Chumpionship to where they are now, but it doesn't half show how short people's memories can be...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 14, 2015, 02:13:39 PM

Oh for the days of chasing and being knocked back by Karl Henry

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 14, 2015, 02:16:35 PM

Grant, come back!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 14, 2015, 02:16:43 PM

It's like when we signed Darren Bent from Sunderland.

At the moment they were 6th, and their fans were all "OMG! Why is he going to want to join a club in a relegation struggle while we're in the european places" and also spinning that as them being a "bigger" club. Which neglected any point in time except that precise moment, and even then, we finished above them at the end of the season.

And that's Sunderland, who are - at even a conservative estimate - 3 or 4 times as big a club as Southampton are.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 14, 2015, 02:18:48 PM

Really shouldn't need to get in an argument with a Southampton fan. To quote many a late night conversation..."leave it

• , he's not worth it."

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 14, 2015, 02:22:17 PM

I am going to the National Stud in the morning. Mick (Michael now) Channon is a director there. If I meet him I will ask him how he rates the club he played for.Based on other times I have heard him asked about his previous career, I doubt that it will be complimentary.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on August 14, 2015, 02:25:14 PM

I don't expect any supporter to presume the good times at their club are only temporary, but it was only a couple of years ago in Southampton's case that they had an issue over their ownership and it seemed like their fall could have been as rapid as their rise back to the top. I just think it's far too soon for a club that recently were planning a trip to watch the JPT Final to assume they've breached the barricades and destroyed the old order.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on August 14, 2015, 02:25:48 PM

Southampton FC Honours

Not Relegated from the top flight

1978/79, 1979/80, 1980/81, 1981/82, 1982/83, 1983/84, 1984/85, 1985/86, 1986/87,1987/88,1988/89
1989/90, 1990/91, 1991/92, 1992/93,  1993/94, 1994/95, 1995/96, 1996/97 1997/98, 1998/99, 1999/00
2000/01, 2001/02, 2002/03,  2003/04

2012/13, 2013/14, 2014/15

All hail the Super Saints!

They should dot that roll-call of success around the stadium, kinda like Arsenal do with all the trophies they have won.

Might give St Marys a bit of identity. Separate it from the other thumpingly dull, identikit Legoland grounds.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: stuart r on August 14, 2015, 03:03:49 PM

Quote from: KevinGage on August 14, 2015, 02:25:48 PM

Southampton FC Honours

Not Relegated from the top flight

1978/79, 1979/80, 1980/81, 1981/82, 1982/83, 1983/84, 1984/85, 1985/86, 1986/87,1987/88,1988/89
1989/90, 1990/91, 1991/92, 1992/93,  1993/94, 1994/95, 1995/96, 1996/97 1997/98, 1998/99, 1999/00
2000/01, 2001/02, 2002/03,  2003/04

2012/13, 2013/14, 2014/15

For some reason your post minded me of this

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 14, 2015, 03:06:07 PM

Quote from: KevinGage on August 14, 2015, 02:25:48 PM

Southampton FC Honours

Not Relegated from the top flight

1978/79, 1979/80, 1980/81, 1981/82, 1982/83, 1983/84, 1984/85, 1985/86, 1986/87,1987/88,1988/89
1989/90, 1990/91, 1991/92, 1992/93,  1993/94, 1994/95, 1995/96, 1996/97 1997/98, 1998/99, 1999/00
2000/01, 2001/02, 2002/03,  2003/04

2012/13, 2013/14, 2014/15

All hail the Super Saints!

They should dot that roll-call of success around the stadium, kinda like Arsenal do with all the trophies they have won.

Might give St Marys a bit of identity. Separate it from the other thumpingly dull, identikit Legoland grounds.

Don't forget all the cups... erm ... cup.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 14, 2015, 03:07:08 PM

Quote from: Boris_ on August 14, 2015, 10:25:20 AM

We are playing in Europe this season, finished 7th last season, running in a healthy profit, Academy keeps churning out players.

Why would we be happy with your last 3 seasons? ( Serious question )

The world did not start in 2012.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 14, 2015, 03:07:52 PM

Quote from: stuart r on August 14, 2015, 03:03:49 PM

Quote from: KevinGage on August 14, 2015, 02:25:48 PM

Southampton FC Honours

Not Relegated from the top flight

1978/79, 1979/80, 1980/81, 1981/82, 1982/83, 1983/84, 1984/85, 1985/86, 1986/87,1987/88,1988/89
1989/90, 1990/91, 1991/92, 1992/93,  1993/94, 1994/95, 1995/96, 1996/97 1997/98, 1998/99, 1999/00
2000/01, 2001/02, 2002/03,  2003/04

2012/13, 2013/14, 2014/15

For some reason your post minded me of this

Ha ha, me too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 14, 2015, 03:11:02 PM

I think our Soton friend rather reinforces the point earlier, if they can drag in 30k crowds in spite of their achievements or lack thereof, we really have made a mess of things in the last twenty years in that there is no necessity whatsoever to increase VPs capacity.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 14, 2015, 03:42:22 PM

Quote from: LeeB on August 14, 2015, 03:07:52 PM

Quote from: stuart r on August 14, 2015, 03:03:49 PM

Quote from: KevinGage on August 14, 2015, 02:25:48 PM

Southampton FC Honours

Not Relegated from the top flight

1978/79, 1979/80, 1980/81, 1981/82, 1982/83, 1983/84, 1984/85, 1985/86, 1986/87,1987/88,1988/89
1989/90, 1990/91, 1991/92, 1992/93,  1993/94, 1994/95, 1995/96, 1996/97 1997/98, 1998/99, 1999/00
2000/01, 2001/02, 2002/03,  2003/04

2012/13, 2013/14, 2014/15

For some reason your post minded me of this

Ha ha, me too.

I've never seen that before the "in 1982... well there was the incident with the pigeon" before carrying on made it for me.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 14, 2015, 03:51:38 PM

Amazing how full of themselves some fans get after a couple of decent years, or by our standards, below average seasons.

They soon forget when their entire away support could fit in a mini bus, that they've spent most of their history outside the top flight, and have won less trophies than small heath.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 14, 2015, 03:53:15 PM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3197130/Southampton-make-enquiry-Napoli-defender-Kalidou-Koulibaly-Aston-Villa-target-Jose-Fonte.html

Looks like S'oton are looking at other centre-backs. Maybe the idea of Fonte leaving isn't all that unrealistic....?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on August 14, 2015, 03:54:05 PM

Some teams will come up and maybe go down. They may well come up and go back down again. Villa however will always be up...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JJ-AV on August 14, 2015, 04:12:33 PM

Striker next. It'll be one of Adebayor or Balotelli, I reckon.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on August 14, 2015, 04:18:40 PM

May I respectfully suggest, no and no.  Just my opinion.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: oldtimernow on August 14, 2015, 04:18:53 PM

Quote from: Tom_Mc9 on August 14, 2015, 12:14:37 PM

I like how the first player linked on this thread is Jake Livermore. How a few weeks change things.

And the year before wasn't it Dan Gosling who ended up playing against us last weekend?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 14, 2015, 04:54:46 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on August 14, 2015, 02:00:58 PM

Just as an gauge, our pitiful performance last season still produced a finishing position better than 64 of the 88 seasons in Southamptons history, so they can fuck off whatever period they want to judge.

Brilliant image in my head of a seething Internet Warrior hunched over a keyboard, large mug of strong coffee, pen and pad at hand, muttering "f@#king Southampton? SOUTHAMPTON??? Where's those f@#king all-time league tables?", as everyone else in the office thinks 'he's at it again...'

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 14, 2015, 05:05:49 PM

The number 10 shirt is still free. Got to think there is something in the pipe line. Maybe the lad from Lazio will take it if we get him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 14, 2015, 05:07:10 PM

Yeh I actually thought Adama would take 10. So maybe eu are keeping it for someone special. I don't think I could handle another surprise signing, but fuck it lets do it anyway!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: nodge on August 14, 2015, 05:23:16 PM

Quote from: richardhubbard on August 14, 2015, 09:21:24 AM

We can take the piss out of Southampton but remember they are in Europe and the last 5-10 years has produced

Gareth Bale
Theo Walcott
Alex Chamberlian
Adam Lallana
Luke Shaw

Turned Ricky Lambert into an England international and finish it top 7

We finished in bottom5 sold our best players and produced

Weinmann
Ridgwell
Moore
etc etc

If we had their players and our combined potential we been in the champions league!

 

You mean if we had their players and kept them, which they didn't.  Apart from Lallana they all left when they were old enough to get served in a pub didn't they?
Walcott left when he was an embryo ffs.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 14, 2015, 05:30:06 PM

Anyone else getting that feeling you used to get as a kid at Christmas? A particularly fantastic Christmas?
I am.
I know it may go knockers up but I'm genuinely excited and as positive as I've felt in years. I ruddy love Tim.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 14, 2015, 05:31:44 PM

Quote from: Lastfootstamper on August 14, 2015, 04:54:46 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on August 14, 2015, 02:00:58 PM

Just as an gauge, our pitiful performance last season still produced a finishing position better than 64 of the 88 seasons in Southamptons history, so they can fuck off whatever period they want to judge.

Brilliant image in my head of a seething Internet Warrior hunched over a keyboard, large mug of strong coffee, pen and pad at hand, muttering "f@#king Southampton? SOUTHAMPTON??? Where's those f@#king all-time league tables?", as everyone else in the office thinks 'he's at it again...'

Damn right, just got home, straight in to my dressing gown and brown slippers but I can't get comfortable with this playing on my mind. A club who's old ground looked like Digbeth dog kennels and new ground that is like every other one built in the last 20 years...but red. If he comes back I'm dropping average 20 yr attendance and position on him.

These new age fans, treat a history like it's some kind of disease, until they get one for themselves.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 14, 2015, 05:34:07 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 14, 2015, 05:07:10 PM

Yeh I actually thought Adama would take 10. So maybe eu are keeping it for someone special. I don't think I could handle another surprise signing, but fuck it lets do it anyway!

Adebayor played number 10 for Spurs.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 14, 2015, 05:34:10 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on August 14, 2015, 05:31:44 PM

Quote from: Lastfootstamper on August 14, 2015, 04:54:46 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on August 14, 2015, 02:00:58 PM

Just as an gauge, our pitiful performance last season still produced a finishing position better than 64 of the 88 seasons in Southamptons history, so they can fuck off whatever period they want to judge.

Brilliant image in my head of a seething Internet Warrior hunched over a keyboard, large mug of strong coffee, pen and pad at hand, muttering "f@#king Southampton? SOUTHAMPTON??? Where's those f@#king all-time league tables?", as everyone else in the office thinks 'he's at it again...'

Damn right, just got home, straight in to my dressing gown and brown slippers but I can't get comfortable with this playing on my mind. A club who's old ground looked like Digbeth dog kennels and new ground that is like every other one built in the last 20 years...but red. If he comes back I'm dropping average 20 yr attendance and position on him.

These new age fans, treat a history like it's some kind of disease, until they get one for themselves.

You're good, but you need a better username.

AK47 I reckon.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: The Man With A Stick on August 14, 2015, 07:32:13 PM

Quote from: curiousorange on August 14, 2015, 10:35:29 AM

I keep reading about this academy that Southampton have, but to be honest, Bale aside I'm not raving about any of the players it's produced. They're okay but nothing to shout from the rooftops about.

And it must be AMAZING for your club to produce all of these stunners and have them leave at the first hint of interest from somewhere else.

One of their best players came from our academy.  Says it all really.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve R on August 14, 2015, 10:27:44 PM

Depends on how you measure the success of an academy. It' not all about producing one excellent player, nor about mugging off clubs like Liverpool and Spurs with duds.

I am just guessing but I suspect that over that last, say, 15 years,Villa's academy has produced more players that have made a decent living playing top flight football and more internationals.

As a complete aside, what did Southampton actually get out of Bale? He left at 17 after 40 games for something like 7mill. It was a lot for a teenager at the time but sod all in the grand order of things.

If you are lucky enough to turn up a once in a generation player you really should get a lot more out of it than that.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: CT Villan on August 14, 2015, 11:52:32 PM

Thank goodness then that we only paid 8.5m during the same window for the 'Galactico' that was Nigel Reo-Coker (shudder).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 15, 2015, 01:00:43 AM

Quote from: LukeJames on August 14, 2015, 12:49:57 PM

According to sky (I know, I know) Manchester City have bit £2m above Pedro's release clause.... Its all yours chaps ;)

I saw this on SSN earlier too...couldn't help but think of all the posts on here on the subject so I think it deserves a special bump!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 15, 2015, 01:06:42 AM

Aren't they just trolling Yanited?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on August 15, 2015, 01:09:12 AM

Quote from: KRS on August 15, 2015, 01:00:43 AM

Quote from: LukeJames on August 14, 2015, 12:49:57 PM

According to sky (I know, I know) Manchester City have bit £2m above Pedro's release clause.... Its all yours chaps ;)

I saw this on SSN earlier too...couldn't help but think of all the posts on here on the subject so I think it deserves a special bump!

I couldn't care less about United or City. This is a Villa forum.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on August 15, 2015, 07:34:09 AM

We should be bold and bid £15M for Berahino. Would be better money spent than Adebayor.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: richard moore on August 15, 2015, 07:35:11 AM

Quote from: Villafirst on August 15, 2015, 07:34:09 AM

We should be bold and bid £15M for Berahino. Would be better money spent than Adebayor.

We certainly need another striker, top priority for me now having watched last night.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: manic-road on August 15, 2015, 09:04:22 AM

Quote from: richard moore on August 15, 2015, 07:35:11 AM

Quote from: Villafirst on August 15, 2015, 07:34:09 AM

We should be bold and bid £15M for Berahino. Would be better money spent than Adebayor.

We certainly need another striker, top priority for me now having watched last night.

We certainly looked very lightweight up front last night, even Smalling was comfortably using his strength against our forwards which pretty much stopped any attack gaining momentum.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 15, 2015, 09:17:14 AM

we should be even bolder and bid £15m for Embolo

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on August 15, 2015, 09:24:25 AM

We should go for that Benteke chap at Liverpool.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: richard moore on August 15, 2015, 09:26:40 AM

Relying on Gestede as our only main goalscorer is a huge risk. If he gets injured, we are stuffed. We might have players to come in who are creative but they are not going to score the goals we need week in, week out against our main rivals lower down the division. Those are our crucial games that we have to get points from.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 15, 2015, 09:35:25 AM

Quote from: richard moore on August 15, 2015, 09:26:40 AM

Relying on Gestede as our only main goalscorer is a huge risk. If he gets injured, we are stuffed. We might have players to come in who are creative but they are not going to score the goals we need week in, week out against our main rivals lower down the division. Those are our crucial games that we have to get points from.

Hard to be critical after such an exciting window, but the striker situation hasn't really been resolved.  And if it is, there will be players that we have signed who will see little football.  The last thing we need is wages being spent which are not positively affecting the first team.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 15, 2015, 09:35:38 AM

Quote from: Villafirst on August 15, 2015, 07:34:09 AM

We should be bold and bid £15M for Berahino. Would be better money spent than Adebayor.

Berahino's pace would probably fit in well in that team but there's no way on earth they would sell him to us for £15m. They'd add on another £10m.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: damon loves JT on August 15, 2015, 10:09:54 AM

Quote from: Steve Rose on August 14, 2015, 10:27:44 PM

As a complete aside, what did Southampton actually get out of Bale? He left at 17 after 40 games for something like 7mill. It was a lot for a teenager at the time but sod all in the grand order of things.

It also seems that they were playing him out of position the whole time he was there.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 15, 2015, 11:53:11 AM

A big, but quite skillful and technically sound striker would be really useful. I like the lad at Wolves but he would be a risk too. Gestede will get better in all round play but he looked way short of fitness last night.

I do think Ayew with the right people out wide will be effective though in time. I know people are not impressed, but I think there is a player in there. The way we are playing you can see why he was so keen on Adebayor. He would be ideal in the current set up if he was in form.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 15, 2015, 12:14:23 PM

Quote from: richard moore on August 15, 2015, 07:35:11 AM

Quote from: Villafirst on August 15, 2015, 07:34:09 AM

We should be bold and bid £15M for Berahino. Would be better money spent than Adebayor.

We certainly need another striker, top priority for me now having watched last night.

I wonder if Liverpool would listen to loan offers for Danny Ings.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 15, 2015, 12:21:49 PM

Well now Spurs have brought a striker in, maybe there will be some movement on the Adebayor front.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on August 15, 2015, 12:24:33 PM

I read somewhere that Adebayor preferred to go to West Ham.  I've no idea if West Ham want him, but if it's the case that he prefers them, then he can fuck off.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 15, 2015, 12:57:06 PM

Quote from: Tokyo Sexwhale on August 15, 2015, 12:24:33 PM

I read somewhere that Adebayor preferred to go to West Ham.  I've no idea if West Ham want him, but if it's the case that he prefers them, then he can fuck off.

He was probably advised by Mr D Cameron.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: DB on August 15, 2015, 12:57:29 PM

Quote from: Clampy on August 15, 2015, 12:21:49 PM

Well now Spurs have brought a striker in, maybe there will be some movement on the Adebayor front.

Movement to West Ham. Get someone in with a bit of hunger, not someone who can't be arsed to move or travel 2 hours up the motorway.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: berneboy on August 15, 2015, 01:11:00 PM

Traore has been given no. 20.
Doesn't that leave no. 10 still waiting for a body to fill the shirt?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 15, 2015, 01:53:11 PM

It does seems so, and Evans in the mail seemed convinced that we are after another forward option as well as Traore.

We still have our 2 loans too, maybe Wilson from United if they sign a forward might be an option. I would still sign Carroll from Spurs in midfield if we could too. Talented as a youngster and a position I still think we need another body in, especially if Gardner is allowed to go back to Forest.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 15, 2015, 02:36:52 PM

Someone a few days ago mentioned a rumour about Pisto Sione.
If it's something that happens at the back end of the window, there might be a chance to see him play for FC Midtjylland against Southampton in the Europa League on the 27th.

Personally not convinced. Saying he's one of the better players in the Danish league isn't saying much.  To stand a chance he should stand out head and shoulders above the rest, in the way Okore did and to me he doesn't.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Nelson Lodge on August 15, 2015, 03:02:35 PM

I reckon the net spend so far is around £9.5 million. So depending on the budget for transfers before the sale of Benteke, etc there could be about £10 million left? Enough for one more quality buy. The number 10 shirt still vacant. Then 2 possible Loans in?
Think we need a quality right back, and one CB of experience and quality who is 6ft 2" plus tall. Two if Senderos goes: needed as cover in view of our centre backs injury prone history over the last few seasons.
A goalkeeper? Steer not featured on the bench in the two games to date so fallen out of favour?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 15, 2015, 03:11:15 PM

Quote from: richard moore on August 15, 2015, 09:26:40 AM

Relying on Gestede as our only main goalscorer is a huge risk. If he gets injured, we are stuffed. We might have players to come in who are creative but they are not going to score the goals we need week in, week out against our main rivals lower down the division. Those are our crucial games that we have to get points from.

I agree.

The rest of our business, I like, but I don't see where the goals are going to come from.

That's not writing Gestede off, either, it is not feeling we can rely on him yet, at least not without considerable risk.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 15, 2015, 03:24:53 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 15, 2015, 03:11:15 PM

Quote from: richard moore on August 15, 2015, 09:26:40 AM

Relying on Gestede as our only main goalscorer is a huge risk. If he gets injured, we are stuffed. We might have players to come in who are creative but they are not going to score the goals we need week in, week out against our main rivals lower down the division. Those are our crucial games that we have to get points from.

I agree.

The rest of our business, I like, but I don't see where the goals are going to come from.

That's not writing Gestede off, either, it is not feeling we can rely on him yet, at least not without considerable risk.

Which is why I think Sherwood planned to get Adebayor in, knowing he was good for 10-15 goals in the way he wants to play. That he has had 2 sets of facials and not come, suggests that he isn't interested in moving from London or that fussed about playing for Tim again.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 15, 2015, 03:43:41 PM

As a side note, would anyone else take Idaye on a 12 month loan from Albion? Is he still there?

Good goalscoring record before coming, doesn't suit their style of play at all, but I reckon there is a decent striker in him. With our options not being too great, I would be tempted if Adebayor was not obtainable.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 15, 2015, 03:56:56 PM

No, no, no. Baggies supporting friend reckons Anichebe and Brown are being sold though, but there are much much better options available out there. They've spent the best part of £20m on 2 players so Pulis probably needs to sell before he can buy more.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: phantom limb on August 15, 2015, 04:19:59 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 15, 2015, 03:43:41 PM

As a side note, would anyone else take Idaye on a 12 month loan from Albion? Is he still there?

Good goalscoring record before coming, doesn't suit their style of play at all, but I reckon there is a decent striker in him. With our options not being too great, I would be tempted if Adebayor was not obtainable.

Radio WM would implode.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on August 15, 2015, 04:52:32 PM

Quote from: berneboy on August 15, 2015, 01:11:00 PM

Traore has been given no. 20.
Doesn't that leave no. 10 still waiting for a body to fill the shirt?

Villa should sign Luke Shaw. Given the size of him at the moment, he could fill all the available shirts

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 15, 2015, 05:02:56 PM

Watching the game back last night...Shaw definitely has what appears to be "man boobs".

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: CAitken on August 15, 2015, 05:08:42 PM

Quote from: KRS on August 15, 2015, 05:02:56 PM

Watching the game back last night...Shaw definitely has what appears to be "man boobs".

Compared to Schweinsteiger he's Kate Moss size

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JJ-AV on August 15, 2015, 05:09:21 PM

I don't see a big money striker coming in, I see Gestede as his centre-forward. I think he'll want someone a little more establishedto come in on a short-term deal, just incase though. Adebayor, Hernandez...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on August 15, 2015, 05:28:34 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 15, 2015, 01:53:11 PM

It does seems so, and Evans in the mail seemed convinced that we are after another forward option as well as Traore.

We still have our 2 loans too, maybe Wilson from United if they sign a forward might be an option. I would still sign Carroll from Spurs in midfield if we could too. Talented as a youngster and a position I still think we need another body in, especially if Gardner is allowed to go back to Forest.

My concern with many of the signings we have made is they look the sort who you would add to a decent core.

Ideally, you would ease them in over a few games. Rather than expecting them to be the backbone of the side from the off.

That applies particularly to Veretout, who I think will come good in time.

Ayew displayed patchy form and drew plenty of criticism in an inferior league, so I'll be honest, I do have more concerns about him. Fitness or no, to be presented with that chance he had to run at their backline early in the second half yesterday and to not even test the keeper was poor.

The Traore signing has generated plenty of interest, but he's still only a babby (albeit a babby built like a cruiserweight boxer).

Last I heard, Lescott hasn't signed the new deal offered to him at Olbiyun.  He could cover two spots and would be another senior voice in an increasingly young dressing room.   Barry will divide opinion, but in the current setup, he could be ideal for us.  I'd be quite happy with Carroll too, based on the bit I have seen of him at Tottingham and Swansea.

I sincerely hope Dr Alban does choose West Ham over us. They have the makings of a decent side, and a signing like that has the potential to scupper their season.   Austin even at £12-14 million would be better value.  (A) Because he would still have some resale value in 2/3 years even if it didn't work out and (B) He's not a complete head-the-ball.

Imagine a poacher like Austin in the box when that cross from Amavi came over last night, instead of the brainless crew we had up top, looking to get out of the way.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JJ-AV on August 15, 2015, 07:03:26 PM

Adebayor :P

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 15, 2015, 07:19:05 PM

to be honest I would think Tim's attitude to Adebayor might be a lot more circumspect now; if he came it would in the knowledge that he doesn't really want the gig and signing anyone under duress,  wouldn't be good for team morale.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 15, 2015, 07:34:24 PM

I want Tim Sherwood to find someone like next Juan Pablo Angel with more pace and power ;) for central forward.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 15, 2015, 07:42:03 PM

Austin scored for qpr again today. Still be tempted to get him if his wages could be brought inline

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 15, 2015, 07:43:21 PM

Quote from: JJ-AV on August 15, 2015, 07:03:26 PM

Adebayor :P

When?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 15, 2015, 07:49:02 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 15, 2015, 07:42:03 PM

Austin even at £12-14 million would be better value.  (A) Because he would still have some resale value in 2/3 years even if it didn't work out and (B) He's not a complete head-the-ball.

Imagine a poacher like Austin in the box when that cross from Amavi came over last night, instead of the brainless crew we had up top, looking to get out of the way.

Isn't he known as "Big Time" at QPR?  That might just be a play on his name but I'm sure I've been told it is a reflection of his character too.  Personally I do not think his style is suited to the type of football I'd want and hope TS is aiming for.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 15, 2015, 07:53:18 PM

I don't know much about Austins personality but he seems a very versatile goal scorer, headers , tap ins, 20 yarders, seems the type of predator we need.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on August 15, 2015, 08:03:34 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 15, 2015, 07:42:03 PM

Austin scored for qpr again today. Still be tempted to get him if his wages could be brought inline

You mean pay him less for playing in the Premier League? Yes that will work!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 15, 2015, 08:47:11 PM

I wanted Austin before Benteke left, and still would want him now. He is another where you might be able to swing a 12 month loan deal with the fee agreed for next summer, as it may suit him and QPR. He is a very good player, and would give us the goals Benteke did in my opinion.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on August 15, 2015, 08:50:43 PM

Quote from: KRS on August 15, 2015, 05:02:56 PM

Watching the game back last night...Shaw definitely has what appears to be "man boobs".

Given the size of his arse as well, Shaw could be described as Rubenesque

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 15, 2015, 09:24:36 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on August 15, 2015, 08:50:43 PM

Quote from: KRS on August 15, 2015, 05:02:56 PM

Watching the game back last night...Shaw definitely has what appears to be "man boobs".

Given the size of his arse as well, Shaw could be described as Rubenesque

Barryesque?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 15, 2015, 10:49:55 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 15, 2015, 08:47:11 PM

I wanted Austin before Benteke left, and still would want him now. He is another where you might be able to swing a 12 month loan deal with the fee agreed for next summer, as it may suit him and QPR. He is a very good player, and would give us the goals Benteke did in my opinion.

They would probably only allow a loan move if they thought they could get back into the Premier League without him and without the money to replace him. They probably need to raise as much as they can after the last few years they've had too.

This game of saying who we should go for only works if we look at the domestic market and that's not been the strategy, for the most part, thus far. I know there's some among us who watch foreign leagues so have an idea of the players out there but most don't.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Concrete John on August 15, 2015, 11:13:05 PM

Quote from: JJ-AV on August 15, 2015, 05:09:21 PM

I don't see a big money striker coming in, I see Gestede as his centre-forward. I think he'll want someone a little more establishedto come in on a short-term deal, just incase though. Adebayor, Hernandez...

I suspect the money is there if we could find one.  You'd think Tim wants another striker after trying for Adebayor, but perhaps Traore coming in means Ayew can be used through the middle, making another striker not needed?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 15, 2015, 11:24:47 PM

Express suggest we are in for Afobe from Wolves. I hope it is true, think he would be excellent with some of the support attackers we have now.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 16, 2015, 12:05:07 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 15, 2015, 11:24:47 PM

Express suggest we are in for Afobe from Wolves. I hope it is true, think he would be excellent with some of the support attackers we have now.

They also reported he wasn't going anywhere two days ago. Think he'd be a good addition though..

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 16, 2015, 12:10:22 AM

We need an instinctive striker. A penalty area forward who makes quick runs behind defenders. We don't have one right now. Ayew seems more a wide player, Gabby is done, Gestede is more a target man and Kozak is kind of a bit of an in between in terms of what he brings. Not sure how to categorize him. But we don't have a Defoe type who is sharp and quick. Who isn't afraid to take shots. No point having quick players on the wing or creative players behind if nobody moves intelligently up front.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 16, 2015, 12:29:31 AM

I see Lescott was an unused sub today and was then seen by supporters getting the train home with Anichibe and a couple of others, instead of the team bus.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 16, 2015, 12:35:51 AM

On a different note, and I'm sure it'll be a suggestion that divides opinion, but it looks like Lucas will be leaving Liverpool in search of more regular football. At the right price and salary I actually think he'd be a really good fit for our midfield. He's almost the personified combination of Westwood & Sanchez when on his game. The fact that he's seemingly behind Joe Allen in Rodger's plans is quite odd.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 16, 2015, 12:54:16 AM

I think Lucas is awful, all he can do is kick people.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 16, 2015, 12:59:27 AM

Lucas was good, but his injuries have finished him at the top level.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris Smith on August 16, 2015, 12:59:56 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 15, 2015, 11:24:47 PM

Express suggest we are in for Afobe from Wolves. I hope it is true, think he would be excellent with some of the support attackers we have now.

He's only been there 5 minutes hasn't he?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 16, 2015, 01:33:35 AM

Since January yes. Even so, and admittedly I have seen him all of 3 times since and once before he went there, I think he has all the attributes to be a very good striker in the premier league. Pacey, powerful and seems to have a decent idea of timing a run and finding space in the box. Different to the ones we have got too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on August 16, 2015, 05:25:15 AM

Ofobe is not very likely.Wolves fans are a bit divided on him but he does score goals consistently
 which is what they need for a Championship push.I am going to Molineux today l will have a good look at him and report back later.

Home from the game. Right, Ofobe. Didnt notice him much first half apart from a scorable opportunity in the first minute which he should have converted. Second half was different. This guy works for the team and drops deep when he feels the need to. He covered every blade of the opposition half and made countless runs at their defence. Scoring record is excellent as well. Certainly worth adding to the squad whether he would carry on scoring is another matter though. I was impressed with Scot Golborne the left back as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 16, 2015, 07:53:19 AM

Seems to have a good pedigree - Arsenal youth product who played in the England U17 side that won their European Championship, good goalscoring record, looks like he's well built for that main striker role.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 16, 2015, 08:52:57 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 16, 2015, 12:10:22 AM

We need an instinctive striker. A penalty area forward who makes quick runs behind defenders. We don't have one right now. Ayew seems more a wide player, Gabby is done, Gestede is more a target man and Kozak is kind of a bit of an in between in terms of what he brings. Not sure how to categorize him. But we don't have a Defoe type who is sharp and quick. Who isn't afraid to take shots. No point having quick players on the wing or creative players behind if nobody moves intelligently up front.

I disagree, that sort of player typically needs a strike partner and I'd loathe for us to play 442 especially when we have just signed an excellent attacking full back and a players like Toure and Ayew.  I appreciate we need options but Austin is rumoured to cost 15m which is too much as an alternative.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tayls_7 on August 16, 2015, 10:25:20 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 16, 2015, 08:52:57 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 16, 2015, 12:10:22 AM

We need an instinctive striker. A penalty area forward who makes quick runs behind defenders. We don't have one right now. Ayew seems more a wide player, Gabby is done, Gestede is more a target man and Kozak is kind of a bit of an in between in terms of what he brings. Not sure how to categorize him. But we don't have a Defoe type who is sharp and quick. Who isn't afraid to take shots. No point having quick players on the wing or creative players behind if nobody moves intelligently up front.

I disagree, that sort of player typically needs a strike partner and I'd loathe for us to play 442 especially when we have just signed an excellent attacking full back and a players like Toure and Ayew.  I appreciate we need options but Austin is rumoured to cost 15m which is too much as an alternative.

In the short term I'd be tempted to play Sinclair alongside Gestede, particularly when Grealish, Gil or Traore are ready to offer their services. Sinclair might have a Walcottesque conversion. He seems to have goals in him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 16, 2015, 10:27:11 AM

There must be new Jean-Pierre Papin waiting to be discovered in Liga 1 ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 16, 2015, 12:01:00 PM

What's this all about from Ian Taylor very recently? Lescott was on the bench for them yesterday.

Quote

@IanTaylor7: Happy birthday @JoleonLescott! Have a great day! 👊🏾 #UTV 😉

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: in exile on August 16, 2015, 12:06:31 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 16, 2015, 12:01:00 PM

What's this all about from Ian Taylor very recently? Lescott was on the bench for them yesterday.

Quote

@IanTaylor7: Happy birthday @JoleonLescott! Have a great day! 👊🏾 #UTV 😉

I might be wrong but he may have been wishing him a happy birthday

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 16, 2015, 12:12:46 PM

Quote from: in exile on August 16, 2015, 12:06:31 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 16, 2015, 12:01:00 PM

What's this all about from Ian Taylor very recently? Lescott was on the bench for them yesterday.

Quote

@IanTaylor7: Happy birthday @JoleonLescott! Have a great day! 👊🏾 #UTV 😉

I might be wrong but he may have been wishing him a happy birthday

I presume TV was referring to the UTV bit. Unless Sherwood doesn't like Okore, I can't see him coming in.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 16, 2015, 12:40:48 PM

And the fist pump and winky bit.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 16, 2015, 12:43:56 PM

Taylor, a former Villa player, was wishing his mate Lescott, an Albion player, a happy birthday. I believe it is known as 'bantz'.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 16, 2015, 12:47:52 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 16, 2015, 12:40:48 PM

And the fist pump and winky bit.

Perhaps in was in relation to the choice of venue for Lescotts birthday night out.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 16, 2015, 01:18:22 PM

Quote from: Clampy on August 16, 2015, 12:12:46 PM

Quote from: in exile on August 16, 2015, 12:06:31 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 16, 2015, 12:01:00 PM

What's this all about from Ian Taylor very recently? Lescott was on the bench for them yesterday.

Quote

@IanTaylor7: Happy birthday @JoleonLescott! Have a great day! 👊🏾 #UTV 😉

I might be wrong but he may have been wishing him a happy birthday

I presume TV was referring to the UTV bit. Unless Sherwood doesn't like Okore, I can't see him coming in.

Given how left footed Lescott is, it would be Baker or Senderos that should be looking worried.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 16, 2015, 03:43:23 PM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 16, 2015, 12:47:52 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 16, 2015, 12:40:48 PM

And the fist pump and winky bit.

Perhaps in was in relation to the choice of venue for Lescotts birthday night out.

#emojibantz #topbantz #bantzmastergeneral #bantzmasterbantzandthebanztriousfive

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LukeJames on August 16, 2015, 03:56:20 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 16, 2015, 03:43:23 PM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 16, 2015, 12:47:52 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 16, 2015, 12:40:48 PM

And the fist pump and winky bit.

Perhaps in was in relation to the choice of venue for Lescotts birthday night out.

#emojibantz #topbantz #bantzmastergeneral #bantzmasterbantzandthebanztriousfive

#archbishopofbaterbury.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dekko on August 16, 2015, 04:47:52 PM

Quote from: LukeJames on August 16, 2015, 03:56:20 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 16, 2015, 03:43:23 PM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 16, 2015, 12:47:52 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 16, 2015, 12:40:48 PM

And the fist pump and winky bit.

Perhaps in was in relation to the choice of venue for Lescotts birthday night out.

#emojibantz #topbantz #bantzmastergeneral #bantzmasterbantzandthebanztriousfive

#archbishopofbaterbury.

#bantersaurusrex

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 16, 2015, 05:35:06 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 16, 2015, 12:29:31 AM

I see Lescott was an unused sub today and was then seen by supporters getting the train home with Anichibe and a couple of others, instead of the team bus.

Think that's a non story as they both probably live in the North west still.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: nigel on August 16, 2015, 07:56:46 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 15, 2015, 11:24:47 PM

Express suggest we are in for Afobe from Wolves. I hope it is true, think he would be excellent with some of the support attackers we have now.

Part ex with Gabby?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 16, 2015, 08:16:12 PM

Quote from: in exile on August 16, 2015, 12:06:31 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 16, 2015, 12:01:00 PM

What's this all about from Ian Taylor very recently? Lescott was on the bench for them yesterday.

Quote

@IanTaylor7: Happy birthday @JoleonLescott! Have a great day! 👊🏾 #UTV 😉

I might be wrong but he may have been wishing him a happy birthday

Hmm , I dunno he's use of a full colon when he could have easily used a semi colon could be telling. Expect a medical by Tuesday latest.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 16, 2015, 08:32:14 PM

Does the medical include the colon?   Was it Steve Hunt who had to leave the field of play to relieve an irritable colon?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 16, 2015, 08:38:31 PM

Quote from: brian green on August 16, 2015, 08:32:14 PM

Does the medical include the colon?   Was it Steve Hunt who had to leave the field of play to relieve an irritable colon?

Brian, you have the memory of an elephant.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 17, 2015, 03:09:14 AM

I watched Tom Huddlestone play against Wolves. Wow, he got bad quick didnt he? He was playing in the deep lying "walk around the pitch pointing where other people would be running" role.

Not only did he never break into a run but I haven't seen a good old fashioned bit of hiding from the ball at that level for a long time. He consistently strolled AWAY from any opponent near him who had the ball, never put in a challenge, never made himself available for a pass, always quickly god rid of it if a team mate managed to catch him unaware and actually get the ball to his feet.

He was aggressively bad is what I am saying :)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 17, 2015, 04:45:45 AM

Aggressively bad.   I like that ciggies.  I shall use it elsewhere and claim it as original.  A pithy distinction between can't be arsed bad as practiced by Stephen Ireland.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 17, 2015, 04:51:59 AM

Quote from: brian green on August 17, 2015, 04:45:45 AM

Aggressively bad.   I like that ciggies.  I shall use it elsewhere and claim it as original.  A pithy distinction between can't be arsed bad as practiced by Stephen Ireland.

Steal it with my blessing :)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 17, 2015, 09:22:16 AM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on August 17, 2015, 03:09:14 AM

I watched Tom Huddlestone play against Wolves. Wow, he got bad quick didnt he? He was playing in the deep lying "walk around the pitch pointing where other people would be running" role.

Not only did he never break into a run but I haven't seen a good old fashioned bit of hiding from the ball at that level for a long time. He consistently strolled AWAY from any opponent near him who had the ball, never put in a challenge, never made himself available for a pass, always quickly god rid of it if a team mate managed to catch him unaware and actually get the ball to his feet.

He was aggressively bad is what I am saying :)

Yet SSN were linking him with a move to a PL club in their 'Transfer Centre' last night (can't quite remember which club it was). 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 17, 2015, 11:03:24 AM

Based on what he's done in the past though. When we played Hull at home last August I couldn't believe how bad he looked and I thought Hull would be relegated after seeing that performance.

The point about how Huddlestone never showed the ball made me remember an observation I made about Westwood the other night. He was constantly making himself free to receive the ball, whether he was facing the play or with his back to the play. It's a role that never gets much praise because there's nothing flashy about it but it's one that I admire. It's pivotal to the play, that player has a huge influence on tempo and possession. It makes such a difference to a side when there's a calm head in the middle, who's always available, who always looks like they have time on the ball.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Virgil Caine on August 17, 2015, 11:09:47 AM

Agree with the above and the role that Paul Scholes at Manure did so well ( and one they have never been able to replace). If AW could chip in with a few more goals as he has the ability to do so, I could see him being involved with England squads.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 17, 2015, 11:13:08 AM

Quote from: Mon Pied Gauche on August 17, 2015, 11:09:47 AM

Agree with the above and the role that Paul Scholes at Manure did so well ( and one they have never been able to replace). If AW could chip in with a few more goals as he has the ability to do so, I could see him being involved with England squads.

Watching on TV Westwood did the 2 best passes of the game including an amazing first time 40 yard pass to the right wing.

He also buggered up a good chance where we had 3 forwards on 3 defenders and he misplaced a pretty straight forward 5 yard pass.

Still played fairly well overall. Keeps it simple and it is important to have a player like that in the side.

I am hoping that Veretout isn't fully fit, as he had a stinker.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 17, 2015, 11:30:34 AM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on August 17, 2015, 03:09:14 AM

I watched Tom Huddlestone play against Wolves. Wow, he got bad quick didnt he? He was playing in the deep lying "walk around the pitch pointing where other people would be running" role.

Not only did he never break into a run but I haven't seen a good old fashioned bit of hiding from the ball at that level for a long time. He consistently strolled AWAY from any opponent near him who had the ball, never put in a challenge, never made himself available for a pass, always quickly god rid of it if a team mate managed to catch him unaware and actually get the ball to his feet.

He was aggressively bad is what I am saying :)

Good observation ciggies and exactly why I wouldn't have touched The Hudd with a bargepole when a few on here were suggesting he would be a good signing for us.
Enormous potential when he was younger, a couple of stand-out seasons, now can hardly be arsed to put in a shift for which he's paid a fortune.
By any other name: Stephen Ireland.

(who was supposed to have had a good game for Stoke at the weekend btw!!!)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SirSteveUK on August 17, 2015, 11:45:31 AM

report tjios am that WBA might be offloading Lescott

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OzVilla on August 17, 2015, 11:49:44 AM

Ireland had a decent cameo for Stoke at the weekend but that'll be him for the next dozen games now.  He'll coast along flattering to deceive as he's done all his career (barring one decent half season at Citeh 10 years ago).

I still can't believe he was a makeweight in the Milner deal. Two more polar opposite players you couldn't wish to see.  I love a good Stephen Ireland rant.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 17, 2015, 11:51:41 AM

Quote from: SirSteveUK on August 17, 2015, 11:45:31 AM

report tjios am that WBA might be offloading Lescott

Sky are now reporting that he's set to sign his contract extension...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 17, 2015, 11:54:15 AM

Quote from: OzVilla on August 17, 2015, 11:49:44 AM

Ireland had a decent cameo for Stoke at the weekend but that'll be him for the next dozen games now.  He'll coast along flattering to deceive as he's done all his career (barring one decent half season at Citeh 10 years ago).

I still can't believe he was a makeweight in the Milner deal. Two more polar opposite players you couldn't wish to see.  I love a good Stephen Ireland rant.

I was kind of half watching MOTD and could hear them saying how brilliant Ireland had been in that match.

One of those things you don't expect to hear very often. If at all.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 17, 2015, 11:54:24 AM

The Michu link has re-surfaced...

http://elcorreoweb.es/deportes-betis/el-aston-villa-un-duro-competidor-por-michu-JC675830

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 17, 2015, 12:38:36 PM

Genuine question, wtf happened to Michu.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Diablo on August 17, 2015, 12:44:59 PM

Quote from: ChicagoLion on August 17, 2015, 12:38:36 PM

Genuine question, wtf happened to Michu.

Recent articles here  http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jul/14/michu-swansea-city-garry-monk

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/story-michus-incredible-swansea-city-9696957

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eamonn on August 17, 2015, 01:00:18 PM

Is Michu tubbier than Shaw these days?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 17, 2015, 01:36:59 PM

Michu would be a good signing for us.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 17, 2015, 01:38:02 PM

Quote from: OCD on August 17, 2015, 11:03:24 AM

Based on what he's done in the past though. When we played Hull at home last August I couldn't believe how bad he looked and I thought Hull would be relegated after seeing that performance.

The point about how Huddlestone never showed the ball made me remember an observation I made about Westwood the other night. He was constantly making himself free to receive the ball, whether he was facing the play or with his back to the play. It's a role that never gets much praise because there's nothing flashy about it but it's one that I admire. It's pivotal to the play, that player has a huge influence on tempo and possession. It makes such a difference to a side when there's a calm head in the middle, who's always available, who always looks like they have time on the ball.

Oh I agree and it amazes me that clubs (it was West Ham come to think of it) still invest millions in players like him.  I remember him being picked out on MOTD last year for giving the ball away 20 yards into the opposition half and then just about making back into his own half as the opposition scored on the resulting break.   

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 17, 2015, 02:33:26 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 17, 2015, 01:36:59 PM

Michu would be a good signing for us.

Doesn't sound like he's done too much over the last couple of seasons though. Admittedly he looked the dogs bollox that season at Swansea. I think I'd prefer the up and coming Afobe from Wolves.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PGW on August 17, 2015, 02:37:49 PM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 17, 2015, 02:33:26 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 17, 2015, 01:36:59 PM

Michu would be a good signing for us.

Doesn't sound like he's done too much over the last couple of seasons though. Admittedly he looked the dogs bollox that season at Swansea. I think I'd prefer the up and coming Afobe from Wolves.

When i went to Swansea couple of seasons back when it hammered it down all day i caught a taxi to ground which was driven by a very knowledgable driver on all things Swansea and
he said that the guy would never play for Swansea again (and he hasn't) due to the fact that he is a back stabbing terrible piece of work...and that no club should touch him with the
old proverbial barge pole!!!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 17, 2015, 02:49:02 PM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 17, 2015, 02:33:26 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 17, 2015, 01:36:59 PM

Michu would be a good signing for us.

Doesn't sound like he's done too much over the last couple of seasons though. Admittedly he looked the dogs bollox that season at Swansea. I think I'd prefer the up and coming Afobe from Wolves.

He's had some pretty bad injury problems.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 17, 2015, 02:58:52 PM

retaliatory back stabbing related?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 17, 2015, 03:22:53 PM

There is an article online with Gary Monk sounding very adamant that he's not going back there, putting it politely with 'I think we've moved on as a squad' which to me sounds pretty weak. Perhaps he is indeed an utter shit.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 17, 2015, 03:35:51 PM

It seems he had to have two operations to sort his ankle.  At 29 he is worth a punt though as he knows where the net is

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 17, 2015, 03:38:46 PM

I'm not sure about the lad from Wolves, he looks like he's a great finisher but without the physical attributes and all round game to play as the central player in a front 3.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on August 17, 2015, 03:41:31 PM

If we could get Adebayor signed, I think he'd be ideal in a front three with Ayew and Adama.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 17, 2015, 03:50:24 PM

Reading between the lines, it would appear Michu is a bad egg and its not worth risking what TS is building by bringing in a player like that. No thanks. Next...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 17, 2015, 04:14:33 PM

Michu's not really an out and out forward. I also think he's too slow. To be honest I see him as another Santa Cruz.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on August 17, 2015, 04:16:59 PM

Quote from: supertom on August 17, 2015, 04:14:33 PM

Michu's not really an out and out forward. I also think he's too slow. To be honest I see him as another Santa Cruz.

Definitely.  He's a one season wonder. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 17, 2015, 04:20:47 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on August 17, 2015, 04:16:59 PM

Quote from: supertom on August 17, 2015, 04:14:33 PM

Michu's not really an out and out forward. I also think he's too slow. To be honest I see him as another Santa Cruz.

Definitely.  He's a one season wonder. 

Whatever happened to Amr Zaki?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 17, 2015, 04:24:02 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on August 17, 2015, 04:20:47 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on August 17, 2015, 04:16:59 PM

Quote from: supertom on August 17, 2015, 04:14:33 PM

Michu's not really an out and out forward. I also think he's too slow. To be honest I see him as another Santa Cruz.

Definitely.  He's a one season wonder. 

Whatever happened to Amr Zaki?

Ha ha. Had to wrack my brain there. He was a bit of a bellend wasn't he?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on August 17, 2015, 04:42:28 PM

Quote from: supertom on August 17, 2015, 04:24:02 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on August 17, 2015, 04:20:47 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on August 17, 2015, 04:16:59 PM

Quote from: supertom on August 17, 2015, 04:14:33 PM

Michu's not really an out and out forward. I also think he's too slow. To be honest I see him as another Santa Cruz.

Definitely.  He's a one season wonder. 

Whatever happened to Amr Zaki?

Ha ha. Had to wrack my brain there. He was a bit of a bellend wasn't he?

And Benjani!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on August 17, 2015, 04:44:18 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on August 17, 2015, 03:38:46 PM

I'm not sure about the lad from Wolves, he looks like he's a great finisher but without the physical attributes and all round game to play as the central player in a front 3.

I disagree. Physically strong and works the opposition half really well. Impressed me yesterday did Ofobi

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: alan_clarke on August 17, 2015, 04:54:00 PM

Because Monday's can seem like a long day in the office, how about this gem from Twitter:

"Seems Aston Villa are planning to gazump Spurs in signing Berahinio from #wba. Villa are prepared to offer 25 million "

"Any deal between #avfc & #wba  for Berahinio could involve cash plus Jordan Ayew who is surplus to requirements at Villa Park"

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 17, 2015, 04:56:00 PM

Quote from: alan_clarke on August 17, 2015, 04:54:00 PM

Because Monday's can seem like a long day in the office, how about this gem from Twitter:

"Seems Aston Villa are planning to gazump Spurs in signing Berahinio from #wba. Villa are prepared to offer 25 million "

"Any deal between #avfc & #wba  for Berahinio could involve cash plus Jordan Ayew who is surplus to requirements at Villa Park"

Mind you, did you see Berahino's miss against Watford?  :-)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 17, 2015, 05:25:10 PM

I know it's complete horse shit, but I would laugh for a long time if we signed Berahino on top of what we already have this summer. Albion fans would go into complete meltdown.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: go on the dog on August 17, 2015, 05:26:16 PM

Football Mole on twitter says Praet is signing for 9m and has 42 shirt, Fotne is joining too, and Ayew is off to WBA in a swap plus cash deal for Berainho. Blokes never wrong either cause we signed Bath from Wolves, Vlaar went to Southampton and Bents banging them in for Arsenal :o :o :o

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 17, 2015, 05:42:38 PM

Ayew surplus to requirements. As stories go that's one of the most ridiculous I've ever heard.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eamonn on August 17, 2015, 06:25:40 PM

Well two weeks is a long time in football. Ayew had his chance and he blew it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 17, 2015, 06:30:28 PM

Quote from: eamonn on August 17, 2015, 06:25:40 PM

Well two weeks is a long time in football. Ayew had his chance and he blew it.

For fucks sake give him a chance to settle. Then if he doesn't score a hat trick at the weekend look at it again.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eamonn on August 17, 2015, 06:34:06 PM

No, I think we've all been far too patient with him as it is.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 17, 2015, 06:38:02 PM

I am with you eamonn.   How far have we sunk when we have to let players have a third game before we get rid of them?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 17, 2015, 06:41:45 PM

I never liked Ayew.

His name sounds a bit too yam yam for my liking.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Leicester_Villian on August 17, 2015, 06:45:12 PM

Someone just said Afobe is worth 30 million on WM ........

I would offer Wolves 6 million for him plus give them Kozak on loan till Jan as he needs games

Get Lescott in for 2 million and thats all I would do

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 17, 2015, 06:47:41 PM

Absolutely.   Almost certainly changed by deed poll from Ayow.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 17, 2015, 07:04:02 PM

Couldn't we bundle him with N'Zogbia and sell them as buy one, get one free?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: thick_mike on August 17, 2015, 07:05:22 PM

Quote from: ChicagoLion on August 17, 2015, 12:38:36 PM

Genuine question, wtf happened to Michu.

Didn't he evolve into Charizard?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 17, 2015, 07:10:15 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 17, 2015, 05:42:38 PM

Ayew surplus to requirements. As stories go that's one of the most ridiculous I've ever heard.

Right up there with Blues signing Maradona!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 17, 2015, 07:24:10 PM

Quote from: thick_mike on August 17, 2015, 07:05:22 PM

Quote from: ChicagoLion on August 17, 2015, 12:38:36 PM

Genuine question, wtf happened to Michu.

Didn't he evolve into Charizard?

Michu into Raichu.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: thick_mike on August 17, 2015, 07:25:55 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on August 17, 2015, 07:24:10 PM

Quote from: thick_mike on August 17, 2015, 07:05:22 PM

Quote from: ChicagoLion on August 17, 2015, 12:38:36 PM

Genuine question, wtf happened to Michu.

Didn't he evolve into Charizard?

Michu into Raichu.

Damn, where's my pokedex when I need it?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: citizenDJ on August 17, 2015, 07:41:19 PM

Quote from: thick_mike on August 17, 2015, 07:25:55 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on August 17, 2015, 07:24:10 PM

Quote from: thick_mike on August 17, 2015, 07:05:22 PM

Quote from: ChicagoLion on August 17, 2015, 12:38:36 PM

Genuine question, wtf happened to Michu.

Didn't he evolve into Charizard?

Michu into Raichu.

Damn, where's my pokedex when I need it?

Some good Poke-style evolutions around in the PL at the moment.

Schneiderlein -> Schweinsteiger

Bennett -> Bent -> Benteke

Er…...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 17, 2015, 08:09:39 PM

Nooooo not pokespeak! My 7 year old is obsessed with them!!

As an aside anyone know how to get cheap ex cards please let me know!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SirSteveUK on August 17, 2015, 08:36:41 PM

Quote from: eamonn on August 17, 2015, 01:00:18 PM

Is Michu tubbier than Shaw these days?

Luke or Gary ???

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 17, 2015, 08:55:10 PM

What memories.   Three up top for Peru. Michu, Machu and Pichu.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 17, 2015, 08:58:09 PM

I think if his ankle is better as he claims then it would be a decent alternative to Adebayor. If he his firm it would be a master stroke as he if excellent when on it. I would prefer Afobe though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 17, 2015, 09:39:15 PM

I saw James Wilson might be available on loan from Man. United if they sign Pedro, he's one I'd look at as seems a decent finisher.

Actually would go for Hernandez, with the crosses flying in he'd be scoring plenty here.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Nastylee on August 17, 2015, 10:02:02 PM

On the evidence so far....what crosses?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 17, 2015, 10:05:58 PM

Quote from: Nastylee on August 17, 2015, 10:02:02 PM

On the evidence so far....what crosses?

Amavi has put in a few very good ones so far, there was one in the 2nd half on friday that really deserved a lot more than gonig straight through and out of play the other side.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 17, 2015, 10:09:06 PM

Quote from: citizenDJ on August 17, 2015, 07:41:19 PM

Quote from: thick_mike on August 17, 2015, 07:25:55 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on August 17, 2015, 07:24:10 PM

Quote from: thick_mike on August 17, 2015, 07:05:22 PM

Quote from: ChicagoLion on August 17, 2015, 12:38:36 PM

Genuine question, wtf happened to Michu.

Didn't he evolve into Charizard?

Michu into Raichu.

Damn, where's my pokedex when I need it?

Some good Poke-style evolutions around in the PL at the moment.

Schneiderlein -> Schweinsteiger

Bennett -> Bent -> Benteke

Er…...

Cattermole into a Kakuta

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 18, 2015, 12:05:52 AM

Quote from: Nastylee on August 17, 2015, 10:02:02 PM

On the evidence so far....what crosses?

When Amavi and Bacuna are on the pitch and playing weaker teams? Traore is supposed to be decent at them aswell.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 18, 2015, 12:51:36 AM

Gil can cross a ball too, as can Grealish. A trio of Gil, Grealish and Traore behind a striker like Hernandez would be very tasty I agree Soccer. Not going to happen, but would be great.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 18, 2015, 01:23:51 AM

What..? Albrighton, Weimann, Cissohko, N'Zog and Luna couldn't cross a ball?

Edit: Mirror are reporting Sunderland are after K Richardson.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 18, 2015, 04:34:25 AM

Quote from: villadelph on August 18, 2015, 01:23:51 AM

What..? Albrighton, Weimann, Cissohko, N'Zog and Luna couldn't cross a ball?

Edit: Mirror are reporting Sunderland are after K Richardson.

They could do a lot worse. He was pretty good for us during Sherwoods run in.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on August 18, 2015, 05:29:09 AM

I'd keep Richardson for his last year, useful player that has a knack of being in the right place at the right time in the penalty area. Also why would we want to make Sunderland 'arguably' stronger.

He did give the ball away a few times against Bournemouth though, i'll file that one in the rustiness cabinet.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt C on August 18, 2015, 05:32:55 AM

We could however send them a Tonev.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 18, 2015, 06:30:33 AM

that's very much a long shot

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on August 18, 2015, 06:36:24 AM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on August 18, 2015, 05:29:09 AM

I'd keep Richardson for his last year, useful player that has a knack of being in the right place at the right time in the penalty area. Also why would we want to make Sunderland 'arguably' stronger.now.

And how many has he scored for us with this 'knack'.
He's past it

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 18, 2015, 06:50:24 AM

He is 30,  a year younger than Ivanovic, past it is a bit harsh.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on August 18, 2015, 07:11:06 AM

Quote from: Mister E on August 18, 2015, 06:36:24 AM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on August 18, 2015, 05:29:09 AM

I'd keep Richardson for his last year, useful player that has a knack of being in the right place at the right time in the penalty area. Also why would we want to make Sunderland 'arguably' stronger.

And how many has he scored for us with this 'knack'.
He's past it

I'm not talking to score goals.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 18, 2015, 07:51:13 AM

I would say Sunderland have 2 for price of one with Richardson, N'Zog or Tonev ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 18, 2015, 08:18:22 AM

The Mirror are suggesting it'd be for £2m. If that's the case we should definitely cash-in. Lots of Twitter rumours about Bennett being off to an Championship club this week too.

I think that Sherwood rates Lewis Kinsella quite highly, so wouldn't be too worried if they both left. Clark and Baker can also play there in an emergency too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on August 18, 2015, 08:22:11 AM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on August 18, 2015, 07:11:06 AM

Quote from: Mister E on August 18, 2015, 06:36:24 AM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on August 18, 2015, 05:29:09 AM

I'd keep Richardson for his last year, useful player that has a knack of being in the right place at the right time in the penalty area. Also why would we want to make Sunderland 'arguably' stronger.

And how many has he scored for us with this 'knack'.
He's past it

I'm not talking to score goals.

I don't remember many assists either.
Unless you're talking him being in our own penalty area.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 18, 2015, 08:37:55 AM

Quote from: Mister E on August 18, 2015, 08:22:11 AM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on August 18, 2015, 07:11:06 AM

Quote from: Mister E on August 18, 2015, 06:36:24 AM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on August 18, 2015, 05:29:09 AM

I'd keep Richardson for his last year, useful player that has a knack of being in the right place at the right time in the penalty area. Also why would we want to make Sunderland 'arguably' stronger.

And how many has he scored for us with this 'knack'.
He's past it

I'm not talking to score goals.

I don't remember many assists either.
Unless you're talking him being in our own penalty area.

I think he is. He is a left-back after all.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 18, 2015, 08:51:05 AM

I thought Richardson was on the brink of becoming a Methodist/Baptist Minister?   Or was I being Bobby Ewing coming out of the shower when I read that he had been ordained?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on August 18, 2015, 09:01:21 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 18, 2015, 06:30:33 AM

that's very much a long shot

Very good sir!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on August 18, 2015, 09:20:14 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 18, 2015, 08:37:55 AM

Quote from: Mister E on August 18, 2015, 08:22:11 AM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on August 18, 2015, 07:11:06 AM

Quote from: Mister E on August 18, 2015, 06:36:24 AM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on August 18, 2015, 05:29:09 AM

I'd keep Richardson for his last year, useful player that has a knack of being in the right place at the right time in the penalty area. Also why would we want to make Sunderland 'arguably' stronger.

And how many has he scored for us with this 'knack'.
He's past it

I'm not talking to score goals.

I don't remember many assists either.
Unless you're talking him being in our own penalty area.

I think he is. He is a left-back after all.

Well, he's played LB more often than not at Villa, although he has also played MF as well.
Not that it really matters: he's a decent player that doesn't really make much impact these days, IMO; perpetually 'on the beach' enjoying the wages.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 18, 2015, 09:32:57 AM

Richardson for £2m? Bloody snap their hands off!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 18, 2015, 09:46:18 AM

We're also still in the situation of having 26 senior pros on the books, and that's assuming that Senderos is going/gone. If Sherwood wants to bring in others he's going to need to shift the likes of Richardson. N'Zogbia seems to be hiding under a rock until after the window closes, so if we're being offered money for the likes of Richardson we're not really in a position to turn it down.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 18, 2015, 09:46:39 AM

I would keep him at the moment. See who else comes in during the next week or so and look again then.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 18, 2015, 09:51:52 AM

I would sell 2 or 3 players to allow us bring in more players. That means like of Agbonlahor, N'Zogbia, Tonev, Richardson, Hutton and Senderos will be leaving hopefully.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: thick_mike on August 18, 2015, 09:52:16 AM

Richardson was our best (only) player in that game we're all trying to forget

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 18, 2015, 09:56:50 AM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 18, 2015, 09:46:39 AM

I would keep him at the moment. See who else comes in during the next week or so and look again then.

That's the thing though. Are the board going to sanction any more incomings at the risk of having players on the wage-bill who can't/won't be named in the 25-man squad? I'd be surprised if so...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 18, 2015, 10:01:23 AM

Quote from: aj2k77 on August 18, 2015, 09:32:57 AM

Richardson for £2m? Bloody snap their hands off!

If that's what we have to pay them to take him off our hands, then so be it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 18, 2015, 10:03:19 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 18, 2015, 10:01:23 AM

Quote from: aj2k77 on August 18, 2015, 09:32:57 AM

Richardson for £2m? Bloody snap their hands off!

If that's what we have to pay them to take him off our hands, then so be it.

If that fee is true, it'll be the weirdest 'making a profit on a player' since Bolton gave us £5m for Zat Knight.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 18, 2015, 10:04:45 AM

Quote from: Dave on August 18, 2015, 10:03:19 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 18, 2015, 10:01:23 AM

Quote from: aj2k77 on August 18, 2015, 09:32:57 AM

Richardson for £2m? Bloody snap their hands off!

If that's what we have to pay them to take him off our hands, then so be it.

If that fee is true, it'll be the weirdest 'making a profit on a player' since Bolton gave us £5m for Zat Knight.

And potentially in the same week as making a profit on Senderos too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 18, 2015, 10:05:43 AM

Quote from: Dave on August 18, 2015, 10:03:19 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 18, 2015, 10:01:23 AM

Quote from: aj2k77 on August 18, 2015, 09:32:57 AM

Richardson for £2m? Bloody snap their hands off!

If that's what we have to pay them to take him off our hands, then so be it.

If that fee is true, it'll be the weirdest 'making a profit on a player' since Bolton gave us £5m for Zat Knight.

Did they really? I didn't know that. That was a pretty decent bit of business.

Didn't they also give us money for Gavin McCann?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 18, 2015, 10:13:14 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 18, 2015, 10:05:43 AM

Quote from: Dave on August 18, 2015, 10:03:19 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 18, 2015, 10:01:23 AM

Quote from: aj2k77 on August 18, 2015, 09:32:57 AM

Richardson for £2m? Bloody snap their hands off!

If that's what we have to pay them to take him off our hands, then so be it.

If that fee is true, it'll be the weirdest 'making a profit on a player' since Bolton gave us £5m for Zat Knight.

Did they really? I didn't know that. That was a pretty decent bit of business.

Didn't they also give us money for Gavin McCann?

I think they did. Mind you, they got their own back by only paying around £5m for Cahill.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 18, 2015, 10:14:20 AM

Re: McCann - a quick Google search brought up this article, from June of this year. Interesting.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3117414/Agent-Tony-McGill-fighting-cut-Bolton-s-1m-Gavin-McCann-deal-2007.html

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: exigo on August 18, 2015, 10:18:50 AM

He potentially made us £450,000 in extra prize money by heading Gerrard's header off the line in the cup semi. We'll have done remarkably well out of him if we can turn a profit on his transfer fee too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave Javu on August 18, 2015, 10:44:06 AM

Quote from: brian green on August 18, 2015, 08:51:05 AM

I thought Richardson was on the brink of becoming a Methodist/Baptist Minister?   

These days, t's where he devotes all his energy when it comes to crosses.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JD on August 18, 2015, 10:44:59 AM

Can we please now sign Zlatan, by all accounts PSG are going to let him go. One or two years of Zlatan playing for Villa would be a dream (I know it won't happen but we can wish).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 18, 2015, 11:27:36 AM

what fairy godmother is going to stump up his weekly quarter million wedge?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villasjf on August 18, 2015, 11:29:09 AM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 18, 2015, 09:51:52 AM

I would sell 2 or 3 players to allow us bring in more players. That means like of Agbonlahor, N'Zogbia, Tonev, Richardson, Hutton and Senderos will be leaving hopefully.

Dont forget Cole too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on August 18, 2015, 11:38:44 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 18, 2015, 10:01:23 AM

Quote from: aj2k77 on August 18, 2015, 09:32:57 AM

Richardson for £2m? Bloody snap their hands off!

If that's what we have to pay them to take him off our hands, then so be it.

He'd be way down my list of players to get rid of. The squad needs at least one utility player to have on the bench.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on August 18, 2015, 11:38:57 AM

For players to leave, other clubs must want them.

I can't imagine a whole host of suitors tripping over themselves to land any of that lot.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on August 18, 2015, 11:41:05 AM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 18, 2015, 09:51:52 AM

I would sell 2 or 3 players to allow us bring in more players. That means like of Agbonlahor, N'Zogbia, Tonev, Richardson, Hutton and Senderos will be leaving hopefully.

Abbonlahor won't be leaving I don't know why people keep saying this, they may hope it but it's not happening

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 18, 2015, 12:06:44 PM

Quote from: john e on August 18, 2015, 11:41:05 AM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 18, 2015, 09:51:52 AM

I would sell 2 or 3 players to allow us bring in more players. That means like of Agbonlahor, N'Zogbia, Tonev, Richardson, Hutton and Senderos will be leaving hopefully.

Abbonlahor won't be leaving I don't know why people keep saying this, they may hope it but it's not happening

What's the phrase, "it's the hope that kills ya"?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 18, 2015, 12:08:51 PM

Quote from: john e on August 18, 2015, 11:41:05 AM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 18, 2015, 09:51:52 AM

I would sell 2 or 3 players to allow us bring in more players. That means like of Agbonlahor, N'Zogbia, Tonev, Richardson, Hutton and Senderos will be leaving hopefully.

Abbonlahor won't be leaving I don't know why people keep saying this, they may hope it but it's not happening

Exactly, the best that we can hope for with Gabby is that he's reduced to an impact Sub. He's unlikely to be completely dropped this season,and certainly won;t be sold after being named Club Captain, which in itself is promising as not being named team captain would indicate that Sherwood doesn't regard him as an automatic starter.

In the interim period however, with all the new players bedding-in, I think we can expect to see him starting more games than not.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: exigo on August 18, 2015, 12:28:43 PM

Quote from: JD on August 18, 2015, 10:44:59 AM

Can we please now sign Zlatan, by all accounts PSG are going to let him go. One or two years of Zlatan playing for Villa would be a dream (I know it won't happen but we can wish).

Mate of mine did a film shoot with him last year. When he asked him to come to Villa, Zlatan's response was "in football, nothing is impossible".

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on August 18, 2015, 12:41:48 PM

Quote from: JD on August 18, 2015, 10:44:59 AM

Can we please now sign Zlatan, by all accounts PSG are going to let him go. One or two years of Zlatan playing for Villa would be a dream (I know it won't happen but we can wish).

and the extra few thousand on the crowd will pay for his wages,

sorted

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on August 18, 2015, 12:47:04 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 18, 2015, 12:08:51 PM

Quote from: john e on August 18, 2015, 11:41:05 AM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 18, 2015, 09:51:52 AM

I would sell 2 or 3 players to allow us bring in more players. That means like of Agbonlahor, N'Zogbia, Tonev, Richardson, Hutton and Senderos will be leaving hopefully.

Abbonlahor won't be leaving I don't know why people keep saying this, they may hope it but it's not happening

Exactly, the best that we can hope for with Gabby is that he's reduced to an impact Sub. He's unlikely to be completely dropped this season,and certainly won;t be sold after being named Club Captain, which in itself is promising as not being named team captain would indicate that Sherwood doesn't regard him as an automatic starter.

In the interim period however, with all the new players bedding-in, I think we can expect to see him starting more games than not.

He should be brought on with 20 mins to go to run them ragged. I think Sherwood got the subs wrong on Friday. Gestede should have started and capitalised on the corners we had and Gabby should have come on later and used his pace.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on August 18, 2015, 01:08:27 PM

Quote from: exigo on August 18, 2015, 12:28:43 PM

Quote from: JD on August 18, 2015, 10:44:59 AM

Can we please now sign Zlatan, by all accounts PSG are going to let him go. One or two years of Zlatan playing for Villa would be a dream (I know it won't happen but we can wish).

Mate of mine did a film shoot with him last year. When he asked him to come to Villa, Zlatan's response was "in football, nothing is impossible".

If only. I love Ibrahimovic, just an incredible player.
Read his book last year, really enjoyed it and then found out afterwards that the ghost writer had basically made up lots of it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 18, 2015, 01:09:39 PM

Quote from: exigo on August 18, 2015, 12:28:43 PM

Quote from: JD on August 18, 2015, 10:44:59 AM

Can we please now sign Zlatan, by all accounts PSG are going to let him go. One or two years of Zlatan playing for Villa would be a dream (I know it won't happen but we can wish).

Mate of mine did a film shoot with him last year. When he asked him to come to Villa, Zlatan's response was "in football, nothing is impossible".

That's a 'come and get me plea' if ever I've heard one.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 18, 2015, 01:26:15 PM

Quote from: JD on August 18, 2015, 10:44:59 AM

Can we please now sign Zlatan, by all accounts PSG are going to let him go. One or two years of Zlatan playing for Villa would be a dream (I know it won't happen but we can wish).

Just buy a computer game and stick him up front for us.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Pete3206 on August 18, 2015, 01:48:44 PM

If Sunderland see Richardson as a sticky plaster, then they're doomed IMO

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 18, 2015, 01:55:19 PM

Do a cheeky swop deal with Agbonlahor & N'Zogbia plus 10 millions for Zlatan ;) That is about Likely as Birmingham City qualifying for Champions League. LOL.

Think Martin O'Neill will enjoy watching Villa with Zaltan ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tayls_7 on August 18, 2015, 02:00:36 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 18, 2015, 01:55:19 PM

Do a cheeky swop deal with Agbonlahor & N'Zogbia plus 10 millions for Zlatan ;) That is about Likely as Birmingham City qualifying for Champions League. LOL.

Think Martin O'Neill will enjoy watching Villa with Zaltan ;)

That line would be amusing were it not for the obvious irony. Gabby or Kozak as a sweetener for the lad Afobe.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 18, 2015, 02:11:42 PM

Guardian mentioning again today that we are pursuing Fonte.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 18, 2015, 02:54:58 PM

I think Fonte would be preferable to Lescott as he's a little bit younger, but I think either would be a good addition for a couple of seasons. Hopefully by that time we'll know one-way-or-another whether Baker is going to cut the mustard, and Okore will have had time to develop into a top class centre-half. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: CT on August 18, 2015, 05:17:08 PM

Heard Keiron Richardson is off to Sunderland today. Think that would be good for all concerned.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 18, 2015, 05:59:37 PM

Quote from: CT on August 18, 2015, 05:17:08 PM

Heard Keiron Richardson is off to Sunderland today. Think that would be good for all concerned.

How desperate do you have to be buy such a mediocre player back. I don't think he will help them all that much.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 18, 2015, 06:16:11 PM

Quote from: villadelph on August 18, 2015, 05:59:37 PM

Quote from: CT on August 18, 2015, 05:17:08 PM

Heard Keiron Richardson is off to Sunderland today. Think that would be good for all concerned.

How desperate do you have to be buy such a mediocre player back. I don't think he will help them all that much.

Back-to-back hammerings (and that's exactly what they were) from Leicester and Norwich would make anyone desperate.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 18, 2015, 06:16:56 PM

Tim's been to Spain again today - is another new arrival imminent? you certainly can't fault his commitment

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 18, 2015, 06:18:01 PM

If you have defensive issues and the answer is Richardson at left back the rest of the back 4 must include O'Shea, Brown and Kaboul, with Cattermole to cover them in midfield...


Oh.....

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 18, 2015, 06:20:30 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 18, 2015, 06:16:56 PM

Tim's been to Spain again today - is another new arrival imminent? you certainly can't fault his commitment

Seeing the picture of him sleeping on that flight back with kids coming back from holidays around him I thought fair play to you Tim, you look like you are working your knackers off to make things better at the moment. It's refreshing to see him taking the bull by the horns so much and is clearly the driving force behind the players coming to club and not going elsewhere. Nothing like facials with Timmy.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 18, 2015, 06:30:03 PM

A few months ago I saw sherwood driving back to B6 at about 430pm on a non match day and it struck me then what a hard worker he seems to be.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 18, 2015, 06:32:30 PM

Agree with all that ozz.   Taking the bull by the horns in Spain is something I would prefer he avoids.   How many got killed yesterday in the bull running? Seven? 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 18, 2015, 06:45:49 PM

Makes me very happy to hear he is working so hard. Good for him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 18, 2015, 07:17:41 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 18, 2015, 06:20:30 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 18, 2015, 06:16:56 PM

Tim's been to Spain again today - is another new arrival imminent? you certainly can't fault his commitment

Seeing the picture of him sleeping on that flight back with kids coming back from holidays around him I thought fair play to you Tim, you look like you are working your knackers off to make things better at the moment. It's refreshing to see him taking the bull by the horns so much and is clearly the driving force behind the players coming to club and not going elsewhere. Nothing like facials with Timmy.

Where's the pic?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 18, 2015, 07:21:53 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on August 18, 2015, 06:45:49 PM

Makes me very happy to hear he is working so hard. Good for him.

He looked completely beaten down by the job last year. For me what I really like about him is that he has really take the job to heart and it suggests he hates us not playing well or losing as much as any of us. He clearly demonstrates a lot of pride in being our manager.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 18, 2015, 07:23:13 PM

It's on Twitter. A little creepy as he's asleep. Strange people.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 18, 2015, 07:25:04 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 18, 2015, 07:21:53 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on August 18, 2015, 06:45:49 PM

Makes me very happy to hear he is working so hard. Good for him.

He looked completely beaten down by the job last year. For me what I really like about is that he has really take the job to heart and it suggests he hates not playing well as much as any of us. He clearly demonstrates a lot of pride in being our manager.

Good point, he hates losing. Because he is a winner. Seems determined to flush the loser mentality out of the club. I hope he can do it!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 18, 2015, 07:26:30 PM

Quote from: TheMalandro on August 18, 2015, 07:23:13 PM

It's on Twitter. A little creepy as he's asleep. Strange people.

Cheers.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 18, 2015, 07:28:52 PM

I always fall asleep on the plane, even if I've had a good nights sleep.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 18, 2015, 07:31:50 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 18, 2015, 07:26:30 PM

Quote from: TheMalandro on August 18, 2015, 07:23:13 PM

It's on Twitter. A little creepy as he's asleep. Strange people.

Cheers.

Seems to have been posted 3 days ago though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 18, 2015, 08:01:47 PM

Looking through the Malaga, Grenada and Cordoba squad lists you would think it would be Darder he was looking at. Another central midfielder of quality would be very useful too IMO, because to keep our tempo at the level he wants I think most weeks you will replace 2 of them a good 25 minutes from time and rotate them.

Only other player that I saw was a Columbian forward at Grenada called Cordoba that has been compared to Drogba and looks a beast but very raw. The boredom of waiting for kids to go to sleep!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on August 18, 2015, 08:23:46 PM

Is Tim's missus an air stewardess by any chance?  It's the only way she's going to see anything of him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 18, 2015, 08:28:31 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 18, 2015, 07:28:52 PM

I always fall asleep on the plane, even if I've had a good nights sleep.

Is that when your co pilot takes over?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on August 18, 2015, 08:34:05 PM

Quote from: brian green on August 18, 2015, 06:32:30 PM

Agree with all that ozz.   Taking the bull by the horns in Spain is something I would prefer he avoids.   How many got killed yesterday in the bull running? Seven? 

That's a load of bullocks.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 18, 2015, 08:38:08 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 18, 2015, 08:01:47 PM

Looking through the Malaga, Grenada and Cordoba squad lists you would think it would be Darder he was looking at. Another central midfielder of quality would be very useful too IMO, because to keep our tempo at the level he wants I think most weeks you will replace 2 of them a good 25 minutes from time and rotate them.

Only other player that I saw was a Columbian forward at Grenada called Cordoba that has been compared to Drogba and looks a beast but very raw. The boredom of waiting for kids to go to sleep!

I know we've been linked with Darder but your description of Cordoba sounds exactly the sort of player Sherwood would be playing close attention to right now.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 18, 2015, 09:05:28 PM

Going to the Malaga v Sevilla match on Friday. I'll look out for Darder and compile a report*.


*I won't.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 18, 2015, 09:14:19 PM

Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 18, 2015, 08:28:31 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 18, 2015, 07:28:52 PM

I always fall asleep on the plane, even if I've had a good nights sleep.

Is that when your co pilot takes over?

A co-pilot? Hmmm...not a bad idea.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on August 18, 2015, 11:48:59 PM

We do it 50% of the time, normally while the Captain is asleep.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 19, 2015, 12:09:07 AM

Tim is taking advantage of Friday night as he can scout games over last few days.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Louzie0 on August 19, 2015, 12:26:46 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 18, 2015, 09:14:19 PM

Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 18, 2015, 08:28:31 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 18, 2015, 07:28:52 PM

I always fall asleep on the plane, even if I've had a good nights sleep.

Is that when your co pilot takes over?

A co-pilot? Hmmm...not a bad idea.

Especially when you're about to take off.

Quote from: Chris_Jephcott on August 18, 2015, 11:48:59 PM

We do it 50% of the time, normally while the Captain is asleep.

As I suspected.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on August 19, 2015, 06:04:45 AM

Looks like Lescott is on the way out of the baggies according to the Daily Star.......Pulls has placed him on the list of players open to offer.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Concrete John on August 19, 2015, 06:13:17 AM

Quote from: Villafirst on August 19, 2015, 06:04:45 AM

Looks like Lescott is on the way out of the baggies according to the Daily Star.......Pulls has placed him on the list of players open to offer.

Would've been a good signing a few years ago, but now at 33 it's a 'no' from me.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: manic-road on August 19, 2015, 08:03:17 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on August 19, 2015, 06:13:17 AM

Quote from: Villafirst on August 19, 2015, 06:04:45 AM

Looks like Lescott is on the way out of the baggies according to the Daily Star.......Pulls has placed him on the list of players open to offer.

Would've been a good signing a few years ago, but now at 33 it's a 'no' from me.

I would have him in the squad, certainly an upgrade on Senderdross.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Concrete John on August 19, 2015, 08:22:48 AM

Quote from: manic-road on August 19, 2015, 08:03:17 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on August 19, 2015, 06:13:17 AM

Quote from: Villafirst on August 19, 2015, 06:04:45 AM

Looks like Lescott is on the way out of the baggies according to the Daily Star.......Pulls has placed him on the list of players open to offer.

Would've been a good signing a few years ago, but now at 33 it's a 'no' from me.

I would have him in the squad, certainly an upgrade on Senderdross.

I don't think Senderos will play, so the real measure is against our other 4 CBs.  I'd say he's better than Baker, but financially it would make no sense to bring him in to be 4th choice.  If Okore is out for longer than expected then maybe.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 19, 2015, 08:24:01 AM

If lescott came IMHO he would be paired with Richards (for 12 months) and Clark bumped down the order

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 19, 2015, 08:36:47 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 19, 2015, 08:24:01 AM

If lescott came IMHO he would be paired with Richards (for 12 months) and Clark bumped down the order

That's my feeling too, but regardless of whether he ousted Clark immediately or started as his understudy, the fragility of all of our centre-Backs means that they’re all likely to get 15+ games in this season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 19, 2015, 08:40:22 AM

I would rather look for right back than central defender as we got 3 very good central back and Nathan Baker so we don't want to upset the top 2.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 19, 2015, 08:48:55 AM

No to Lescott, he's past it

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 19, 2015, 08:52:52 AM

Hasn't Senderos gone to Turkey?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 19, 2015, 08:54:05 AM

Just checked wikipedia, NO he hasn't..Bugger

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 19, 2015, 08:56:10 AM

I thought there was interest from another Turkish club which is why he's dithering

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 19, 2015, 08:59:53 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 19, 2015, 08:56:10 AM

I thought there was interest from another Turkish club which is why he's dithering

Just wish he'd hurry up, we'll probably see movement over the last few days I reckon

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Marlon's Hairy Wood on August 19, 2015, 09:26:05 AM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on August 19, 2015, 08:48:55 AM

No to Lescott, he's past it

Any info on why you think that?

He was WBA supporters player of the year last season

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: glasses on August 19, 2015, 09:37:11 AM

Quote from: Marlon's Hairy Wood on August 19, 2015, 09:26:05 AM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on August 19, 2015, 08:48:55 AM

No to Lescott, he's past it

Any info on why you think that?

He was WBA supporters player of the year last season

I like Lescott, and think he'd be a good signing, but lets not forget Habib Beye was at Newcastle the year before we signed him. Stephen Ireland was ours one year too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 19, 2015, 09:43:32 AM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 19, 2015, 08:40:22 AM

I would rather look for right back than central defender as we got 3 very good central back and Nathan Baker so we don't want to upset the top 2.

3 very good centre backs would be a big over statement. Richards looks like he will be but has only played 2 games, Clark is steadily improving and now looks like premier league level (but that's all) and Okore is still young with promise but no where near the finished article. Senderos is past it and Baker is horrendous.
Lescott is still class when he gets a run in the team, as an Albion fan pal said the other day, as soon as he started playing he looked at a different level to any of their other defenders (and bearing in mind they've been in the top flight for quite a while now).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Marlon's Hairy Wood on August 19, 2015, 10:07:23 AM

Quote from: glasses on August 19, 2015, 09:37:11 AM

Quote from: Marlon's Hairy Wood on August 19, 2015, 09:26:05 AM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on August 19, 2015, 08:48:55 AM

No to Lescott, he's past it

Any info on why you think that?

He was WBA supporters player of the year last season

I like Lescott, and think he'd be a good signing, but lets not forget Habib Beye was at Newcastle the year before we signed him. Stephen Ireland was ours one year too.

Indeed, but obviously that has no bearing on whether Lescott has suddenly lost all his powers over the summer or not

I re-watched the last game and our defence received criticism from Neville for looking clueless and unorganised at set pieces. A veteran like Lescott could do us the world of good

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on August 19, 2015, 10:31:00 AM

I think Lescott would be a good signing. Maybe Sherwood is looking at 3-5-2.

               Richards   Lescott  Clark/Okore

Bacuna                                                  Amavi
               Westwood/Sanchez     Gueye
                       
                            Grealish/Gil/Veretout
                   Traore 
                                Ayew/Gestede 

Gives Bacuna and Amavi the licence to get forward and throw crosses in, with Grealish/Gil/Veretout and Traore having the freedom to move around behind the main front man.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 19, 2015, 10:34:38 AM

Quote from: Marlon's Hairy Wood on August 19, 2015, 09:26:05 AM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on August 19, 2015, 08:48:55 AM

No to Lescott, he's past it

Any info on why you think that?

He was WBA supporters player of the year last season

My mate's got a season ticket, even last year he was saying he wasn't a fan, Gabby destroyed him at Villa last year and he reminds me of Dunne in the fact that he's got the turning circle of a combine harvester also he's lost a lot of pace, he seems slow as fuck to me

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 19, 2015, 10:45:58 AM

Quote from: IAmTheOneIanOlney on August 19, 2015, 10:31:00 AM

I think Lescott would be a good signing. Maybe Sherwood is looking at 3-5-2.

               Richards   Lescott  Clark/Okore

Bacuna                                                  Amavi
               Westwood/Sanchez     Gueye
                       
                            Grealish/Gil/Veretout
                   Traore 
                                Ayew/Gestede 

Gives Bacuna and Amavi the licence to get forward and throw crosses in, with Grealish/Gil/Veretout and Traore having the freedom to move around behind the main front man.

To be fair, it had crossed my mind as to how good a pair of 'wing backs' Bacuna and Amavi would be.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 19, 2015, 11:00:24 AM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on August 19, 2015, 10:34:38 AM

Quote from: Marlon's Hairy Wood on August 19, 2015, 09:26:05 AM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on August 19, 2015, 08:48:55 AM

No to Lescott, he's past it

Any info on why you think that?

He was WBA supporters player of the year last season

My mate's got a season ticket, even last year he was saying he wasn't a fan, Gabby destroyed him at Villa last year and he reminds me of Dunne in the fact that he's got the turning circle of a combine harvester also he's lost a lot of pace, he seems slow as fuck to me

That's what I see too. Expect him to be in the side by the Sunderland game.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 19, 2015, 11:11:50 AM

I reckon we will go 3 at the back a fair bit of we get Lescott. Clark is the one we need to let organise it though. Amavi dropped way to drop when the others pushed out a couple of times on Friday. Given time it will work out though.  Bacuna and Amavi as wing backs would be perfect for them, they are tailor made wing  backs 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 19, 2015, 11:14:32 AM

Quote from: IAmTheOneIanOlney on August 19, 2015, 10:31:00 AM

I think Lescott would be a good signing. Maybe Sherwood is looking at 3-5-2.

               Richards   Lescott  Clark/Okore

Bacuna                                                  Amavi
               Westwood/Sanchez     Gueye
                       
                            Grealish/Gil/Veretout
                   Traore 
                                Ayew/Gestede 

Gives Bacuna and Amavi the licence to get forward and throw crosses in, with Grealish/Gil/Veretout and Traore having the freedom to move around behind the main front man.

There's more chance of David Cameron turning up on the left than Okore.

Not completely one footed, but there's a reason why Vlaar was on the left at the end of last season despite looking worse than a UKIP mainfesto.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 19, 2015, 11:27:00 AM

I'd like to see us play with 3 centre backs as it would free up Amavi down the wing. That's would be worth the entrance fee alone.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Damo70 on August 19, 2015, 11:27:58 AM

I would have no problem with us signing Lescott. Particularly as he would be competing for a place as opposed to a guaranteed starter.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Concrete John on August 19, 2015, 11:42:19 AM

We can easily play three CBs with Ckark left, Bacuna right and Richards in the middle. 

Not a fan of the formation myself, but we wouldn't need Lescott to do it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Summers on August 19, 2015, 11:45:50 AM

Bacuna at CB is not something I ever need to see happen.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Concrete John on August 19, 2015, 11:49:57 AM

Sorry - that should be Okore as right CB!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 19, 2015, 11:51:03 AM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on August 19, 2015, 11:27:00 AM

I'd like to see us play with 3 centre backs as it would free up Amavi down the wing. That's would be worth the entrance fee alone.

I like this thought, and would like to add Traore as the other wing back.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 19, 2015, 12:11:26 PM

Quote from: LeeB on August 19, 2015, 11:51:03 AM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on August 19, 2015, 11:27:00 AM

I'd like to see us play with 3 centre backs as it would free up Amavi down the wing. That's would be worth the entrance fee alone.

I like this thought, and would like to add Traore as the other wing back.

It depends on who we are playing against - It's a formation that stopped being popular (i.e stopped working) when teams starting playing with runners behind a central striker rather than two up front.

Against Palace on Saturday for example, if they are just going to stick Glenn Murray or Connor Wickham up front on his own, having three centre-backs there is going to overprotect against a comparatively minor threat, while reducing the attention you can then give to the likes of Zaha, Puncheon and Bolasie. The end result is that your centre-backs are likely to get drawn towards the ball and end up out of position.

It's all well and good doing it just because it means Amavi can get forward more, but doesn't allow for what you lose elsewhere on the pitch. If we're playing against a straightforward 4-4-2 then fine, but against most of the league then we'd likely end up in a bit of a mess.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 19, 2015, 12:22:01 PM

The loss of Adama could be the downside of three at the back?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on August 19, 2015, 01:25:38 PM

Norwich have put in a substantial offer for Benik Ofobe. If we want him up front we had better get moving.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 19, 2015, 01:28:12 PM

Quote from: glasses on August 19, 2015, 09:37:11 AM

Quote from: Marlon's Hairy Wood on August 19, 2015, 09:26:05 AM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on August 19, 2015, 08:48:55 AM

No to Lescott, he's past it

Any info on why you think that?

He was WBA supporters player of the year last season

I like Lescott, and think he'd be a good signing, but lets not forget Habib Beye was at Newcastle the year before we signed him. Stephen Ireland was ours one year too.

Allardyce chose him at RB in his fantasy team of all the players he has managed on the SKY TV show last week. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 19, 2015, 01:42:11 PM

Regarding Tim's recent trip to Spain VT are speculating if the player he was interested in is Florin Antone who was tipped earlier in the summer as a possible acquisition. Surely another forward in  would signal Kovak out on loan or sold?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 19, 2015, 02:13:22 PM

Sherwood being fairly clear that there are still some players who aren't needed at the club.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Jimsta on August 19, 2015, 02:15:04 PM

Sorry wrong thread

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: andyh on August 19, 2015, 02:24:33 PM

I've seen an article linking us with Alvaro Dominguez for Borussia Monchengladbach.

No idea who he is, what he is or whether he is any good.   

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 19, 2015, 02:34:06 PM

Florin would not come to a two bob team like Aston Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: N'Zimidy on August 19, 2015, 02:36:19 PM

Quote from: andyh on August 19, 2015, 02:24:33 PM

I've seen an article linking us with Alvaro Dominguez for Borussia Monchengladbach.

No idea who he is, what he is or whether he is any good.

Football Manager hat on here but he's an excellent centre half. He'd be at least £10m+ so I really doubt it's a goer.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 19, 2015, 02:39:08 PM

Anyone seen Andone for real? He's played mostly at lower levels and got 5 goals last season, I wouldn't have thought we needed another forward in who's pretty much a punt in the dark?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave Cooper please on August 19, 2015, 02:41:21 PM

Quote from: brian green on August 19, 2015, 02:34:06 PM

Florin would not come to a two bob team like Aston Villa.

Shame, I've heard he can turn on a sixpence.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 19, 2015, 02:50:13 PM

work in progress players like him are a dime a dozen

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 19, 2015, 03:12:41 PM

Like most modern players he'd take the King's shilling...or two.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ormy Droid on August 19, 2015, 03:46:15 PM

He would've been a groat addition to the squad.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 19, 2015, 04:07:06 PM

Quote from: Ormy Droid on August 19, 2015, 03:46:15 PM

He would've been a groat addition to the squad.

I heard he's guinea problems

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 19, 2015, 04:10:30 PM

I don't give a sou about thoase

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: oishiiniku on August 19, 2015, 04:16:11 PM

In his YouTube highlights video he does nothing but doubloon the ball over the bar. Avoid.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on August 19, 2015, 04:22:31 PM

Quote from: Dave Winpercentage on August 19, 2015, 02:41:21 PM

Quote from: brian green on August 19, 2015, 02:34:06 PM

Florin would not come to a two bob team like Aston Villa.

Shame, I've heard he can turn on a sixpence.

I heard he wants to turn out for Guinea.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 19, 2015, 04:26:21 PM

Quote from: peter w on August 19, 2015, 04:22:31 PM

Quote from: Dave Winpercentage on August 19, 2015, 02:41:21 PM

Quote from: brian green on August 19, 2015, 02:34:06 PM

Florin would not come to a two bob team like Aston Villa.

Shame, I've heard he can turn on a sixpence.

I heard he wants to turn out for Guinea.

You see, it's shit like this I was moaning about last week.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on August 19, 2015, 04:29:06 PM

Quote from: LeeB on August 19, 2015, 04:26:21 PM

Quote from: peter w on August 19, 2015, 04:22:31 PM

Quote from: Dave Winpercentage on August 19, 2015, 02:41:21 PM

Quote from: brian green on August 19, 2015, 02:34:06 PM

Florin would not come to a two bob team like Aston Villa.

Shame, I've heard he can turn on a sixpence.

I heard he wants to turn out for Guinea.

You see, it's shit like this I was moaning about last week.

Brilliant! I bet no-one else sees it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 19, 2015, 04:46:50 PM

Quote from: peter w on August 19, 2015, 04:29:06 PM

Quote from: LeeB on August 19, 2015, 04:26:21 PM

Quote from: peter w on August 19, 2015, 04:22:31 PM

Quote from: Dave Winpercentage on August 19, 2015, 02:41:21 PM

Quote from: brian green on August 19, 2015, 02:34:06 PM

Florin would not come to a two bob team like Aston Villa.

Shame, I've heard he can turn on a sixpence.

I heard he wants to turn out for Guinea.

You see, it's shit like this I was moaning about last week.

Brilliant! I bet no-one else sees it.

Me, yesterday:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/30/The_Man_Who_Wasnt_There.jpg/215px-The_Man_Who_Wasnt_There.jpg)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 19, 2015, 05:28:54 PM

Pound for pound I don't think Andone looks any good to me. Hope it's not him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: oldtimernow on August 19, 2015, 07:58:37 PM

Quote from: LeeB on August 19, 2015, 04:26:21 PM

Quote from: peter w on August 19, 2015, 04:22:31 PM

Quote from: Dave Winpercentage on August 19, 2015, 02:41:21 PM

Quote from: brian green on August 19, 2015, 02:34:06 PM

Florin would not come to a two bob team like Aston Villa.

Shame, I've heard he can turn on a sixpence.

I heard he wants to turn out for Guinea.

You see, it's shit like this I was moaning about last week.

oh you mean the penny's dropped then?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on August 19, 2015, 08:31:42 PM

To be Franc I think he might turn out to be good for us.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 19, 2015, 08:34:48 PM

We never had this trouble getting players to come to play for DOL Ah those were the days.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 19, 2015, 08:50:45 PM

Away from these pound for a minute, Afobe scored again and looked good fit Wolves. Really do think he would be worth a few pieces of silver this summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: citizenDJ on August 19, 2015, 09:17:45 PM

Quote from: brian green on August 19, 2015, 08:34:48 PM

We never had this trouble getting players to come to play for DOL Ah those were the days.

We'll probably have to be doubloon his money.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on August 19, 2015, 09:26:46 PM

Quote from: Stirchley Villain on August 19, 2015, 08:31:42 PM

To be Franc I think he might turn out to be good for us.

I reckon he could do a sterling job for us.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 19, 2015, 09:31:25 PM

Quote from: olaftab on August 19, 2015, 09:26:46 PM

Quote from: Stirchley Villain on August 19, 2015, 08:31:42 PM

To be Franc I think he might turn out to be good for us.

I reckon he could do a sterling job for us.

I don't like his attitude, he would be nothing but rouble.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 19, 2015, 09:41:37 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on August 19, 2015, 09:31:25 PM

Quote from: olaftab on August 19, 2015, 09:26:46 PM

Quote from: Stirchley Villain on August 19, 2015, 08:31:42 PM

To be Franc I think he might turn out to be good for us.

I reckon he could do a sterling job for us.

I don't like his attitude, he would be nothing but rouble.

I've heard he's looking at property in Wednesbury, or, as they call it there, Renminbi.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on August 19, 2015, 10:09:25 PM

Quote from: olaftab on August 19, 2015, 09:26:46 PM

Quote from: Stirchley Villain on August 19, 2015, 08:31:42 PM

To be Franc I think he might turn out to be good for us.

I reckon he could do a sterling job for us.

Yen think so?
My mate Huan was saying that this guy is absolutely copper-bottomed; a gold standard in the football world.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on August 19, 2015, 10:39:12 PM

Lescott will be a Villa player within the next week.....my guess

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 20, 2015, 12:51:24 AM

Interesting quote after the game from Ramsey about Austin, that his hold up play will have answered a few questions about him tonight. Apparently Sherwood was at the game according to a few on twitter. I would imagine that with the two being pretty good mates, a conversation or two will have been had about Austin over the summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 20, 2015, 07:21:13 AM

Maybe he was there watching Afobe.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 20, 2015, 08:09:57 AM

I hope he was. Norwich fans seen to think he is going there. Wolves fans think it would take 20m fit them to sell.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 20, 2015, 08:52:54 AM

There's no way we'll be bidding 20m for him and quite rightly so imo. Good, but not 20m good.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 20, 2015, 08:54:54 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 20, 2015, 08:52:54 AM

There's no way we'll be bidding 20m for him and quite rightly so imo. Good, but not 20m good.

Agreed, £20 million would be insane.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 20, 2015, 08:58:14 AM

Embolo for 20m on the other hand...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 20, 2015, 09:02:21 AM

Afobe would be a good signing but I think £10m up front with maybe another £2-3m on performance would be plenty.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 20, 2015, 09:14:51 AM

Emboli looks to be the kind of player we need and should be in for. Should cost £10-15m if we're actually in for him?

Its all gone very quiet and no rumours of any links from TS latest trip to Spain.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 20, 2015, 09:24:37 AM

 Think this is because Media have to cover the matches so it take away time for rumours/transfer speculations.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 20, 2015, 09:37:23 AM

If we are going in for either Afobe or Austin, hopefully we can offer players + cash in order to get rid of some of our deadwood. I'm sure the likes of Richardson and Senderos would get into both of their teams. Kozak on loan too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 20, 2015, 09:54:54 AM

I did think if the trip to Malaga was about Darder then Gardner and Kozak going in a deal for a striker might me a way to bring cost down and trim the squad.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2015, 10:06:57 AM

Why would Afobe leave Wolves to go to Norwich?

Wolves are a significantly bigger club than Norwich, it's not even close. Norwich strike me as having some of the most deluded fans in the game.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 20, 2015, 10:13:16 AM

some rumours around that Tim was there watching Iorfa not the strikers

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 20, 2015, 10:14:04 AM

Oh the comments underneath the article in the local Norwich press go on and in about how much bigger Norwich was than wolves. It was very funny.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: AVH87 on August 20, 2015, 10:22:40 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2015, 10:06:57 AM

Why would Afobe leave Wolves to go to Norwich?

Wolves are a significantly bigger club than Norwich, it's not even close. Norwich strike me as having some of the most deluded fans in the game.

Not convinced about that. Norwich get bigger crowds than Wolves (even including last time Wolves were in the Prem). Wolves may have won more but they haven't been close to adding to their trophy haul for a long, long time. Very similar sized clubs to me.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 20, 2015, 10:22:55 AM

I know it's not the be all and end all but Norwich have been getting consistently bigger crowds than Wolves for years haven't they?

It's still two bald men fighting over a comb mind.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2015, 10:33:51 AM

Quote from: hoyle87 on August 20, 2015, 10:22:40 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2015, 10:06:57 AM

Why would Afobe leave Wolves to go to Norwich?

Wolves are a significantly bigger club than Norwich, it's not even close. Norwich strike me as having some of the most deluded fans in the game.

Not convinced about that. Norwich get bigger crowds than Wolves (even including last time Wolves were in the Prem). Wolves may have won more but they haven't been close to adding to their trophy haul for a long, long time. Very similar sized clubs to me.

Wolves have a history Norwich could only dream of. Norwich weren't even founded until the 20th century. How tacky.

Sunderland get bigger crowds than we do, but does that make them a bigger club than us?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 20, 2015, 10:34:32 AM

Norwich reckon they're bigger than us.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 20, 2015, 10:35:22 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2015, 10:06:57 AM

Why would Afobe leave Wolves to go to Norwich?

Wolves are a significantly bigger club than Norwich, it's not even close. Norwich strike me as having some of the most deluded fans in the game.

The pedestrianisation of their town-centre is, apparently, a big selling point.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 20, 2015, 10:41:38 AM

Wolves are a natural enemy but i always feel more comfortable there than Norwich which is the shortest Premiership trip for us.   There is an air of phoniness about Norwich and the vaguely patronizing claim that they are a "family club" as opposed to illegitimate bastards like Villa and Wolves.  Much is personal dating back to being thrown out of their ground years ago for going to the defence of a young lad who refused to pay for a burger which was essentially raw and frozen and then the time a couple of years ago when I got a parking ticket outside their ground and had a slanging match with Gobby Cabbage on 606 when I raised the point of fans being ripped off by councils on match day parking. Lots of better memories of Molyneux.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: AVH87 on August 20, 2015, 10:46:57 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2015, 10:33:51 AM

Quote from: hoyle87 on August 20, 2015, 10:22:40 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2015, 10:06:57 AM

Why would Afobe leave Wolves to go to Norwich?

Wolves are a significantly bigger club than Norwich, it's not even close. Norwich strike me as having some of the most deluded fans in the game.

Not convinced about that. Norwich get bigger crowds than Wolves (even including last time Wolves were in the Prem). Wolves may have won more but they haven't been close to adding to their trophy haul for a long, long time. Very similar sized clubs to me.

Wolves have a history Norwich could only dream of. Norwich weren't even founded until the 20th century. How tacky.

Sunderland get bigger crowds than we do, but does that make them a bigger club than us?

Does not being founded until the 20th century really matter though, Chelsea weren't and no matter how much people might hate them that doesn't stop them being a bigger club than us, despite having won less trophies.

I see Wolves and Norwich both as clubs who flitter between the top end of the Championship and bottom end of the Premier league, with similar sized stadiums, similar attendances (Norwich have the edge), the only thing Wolves have over them is history. But like I say we have that over lots of teams that I wouldn't consider us bigger than.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2015, 10:49:41 AM

It's the mark of a classy club. The fact Chelsea were formed in the 20th century is just more proof to the accuracy of the measure.

For me history can never be lumped in with "only thing", it is very important.

Norwich have spent 24 seasons in the top flight. Wolves spent their 24th season in the top flight in 1936.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 20, 2015, 10:54:50 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2015, 10:49:41 AM

It's the mark of a classy club. The fact Chelsea were formed in the 20th century is just more proof to the accuracy of the measure.

For me history can never be lumped in with "only thing", it is very important.

Norwich have spent 24 seasons in the top flight. Wolves spent their 24th season in the top flight in 1936.

I like that stat.

It's great using stat's for seasons in the top flight, as only Everton can currently trump us.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2015, 10:59:30 AM

re average attendances, over the last twenty years.

Norwich: 21,100
Wolves: 24,100

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 20, 2015, 11:00:53 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2015, 10:49:41 AM

It's the mark of a classy club. The fact Chelsea were formed in the 20th century is just more proof to the accuracy of the measure.

For me history can never be lumped in with "only thing", it is very important.

Norwich have spent 24 seasons in the top flight. Wolves spent their 24th season in the top flight in 1936.

Birmingham City FC, founded 1875.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eamonn on August 20, 2015, 11:05:15 AM

Didn't Norwich have more season ticket holders than us, season before last? They're in the Premier League, Wolves are just coming out of League One, I doubt it's a difficult decision for a player to leave them for Norwich.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2015, 11:06:08 AM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 20, 2015, 11:00:53 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2015, 10:49:41 AM

It's the mark of a classy club. The fact Chelsea were formed in the 20th century is just more proof to the accuracy of the measure.

For me history can never be lumped in with "only thing", it is very important.

Norwich have spent 24 seasons in the top flight. Wolves spent their 24th season in the top flight in 1936.

Birmingham City FC, founded 1875.

Sorry, I phrased it badly, being formed in the twentieth century is a hallmark of classlessness.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2015, 11:07:26 AM

Quote from: eamonn on August 20, 2015, 11:05:15 AM

Didn't Norwich have more season ticket holders than us, season before last? They're in the Premier League, Wolves are just coming out of League One, I doubt it's a difficult decision for a player to leave them for Norwich.

Ha ha ha.

Tell you what, and I kid you not, I'd genuinely forgotten they're in the premier league.

I stand by my point, though, Wolves are still a bigger club. Just like Forest are a bigger club than Watford.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on August 20, 2015, 11:09:06 AM

Wolves pioneered floodlight football in the 1950s.

Electricity only came to Naarwich in 1984.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 20, 2015, 11:13:52 AM

but they do have the George Gently novels, which is a plus point.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 20, 2015, 11:26:22 AM

El Decano Deportivo ( I know) reporting we have bid for Michu, the man who makes Joe Cole look like an ever present

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 20, 2015, 11:36:27 AM

And Norwich also have Alan Partridge. The locations of the episodes are to be found all over Avivaville.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: nigel on August 20, 2015, 11:38:52 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2015, 11:06:08 AM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 20, 2015, 11:00:53 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2015, 10:49:41 AM

It's the mark of a classy club. The fact Chelsea were formed in the 20th century is just more proof to the accuracy of the measure.

For me history can never be lumped in with "only thing", it is very important.

Norwich have spent 24 seasons in the top flight. Wolves spent their 24th season in the top flight in 1936.

Birmingham City FC, founded 1875.

Sorry, I phrased it badly, being formed in the twentieth century is a hallmark of classlessness.

Isn't 1875 the 19th century, mate?  ;D

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2015, 11:58:05 AM

Quote from: nigel on August 20, 2015, 11:38:52 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2015, 11:06:08 AM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 20, 2015, 11:00:53 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2015, 10:49:41 AM

It's the mark of a classy club. The fact Chelsea were formed in the 20th century is just more proof to the accuracy of the measure.

For me history can never be lumped in with "only thing", it is very important.

Norwich have spent 24 seasons in the top flight. Wolves spent their 24th season in the top flight in 1936.

Birmingham City FC, founded 1875.

Sorry, I phrased it badly, being formed in the twentieth century is a hallmark of classlessness.

Isn't 1875 the 19th century, mate?  ;D

Don't worry, 20th century formation classlessness does not mean all 19th century clubs are classy.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 20, 2015, 12:00:28 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 20, 2015, 11:13:52 AM

but they do have the George Gently novels, which is a plus point.

But they do all smell of manure which is a bad thing.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: thick_mike on August 20, 2015, 12:01:39 PM

Quote from: nigel on August 20, 2015, 11:38:52 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2015, 11:06:08 AM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 20, 2015, 11:00:53 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2015, 10:49:41 AM

It's the mark of a classy club. The fact Chelsea were formed in the 20th century is just more proof to the accuracy of the measure.

For me history can never be lumped in with "only thing", it is very important.

Norwich have spent 24 seasons in the top flight. Wolves spent their 24th season in the top flight in 1936.

Birmingham City FC, founded 1875.

Sorry, I phrased it badly, being formed in the twentieth century is a hallmark of classlessness.

Isn't 1875 the 19th century, mate?  ;D

I think he was making the point that C20 establishment guarantees classlessness, but C19 establishment does not preclude classlessness, using Small Heath as his proof.

We really need a Venn diagram here.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: thick_mike on August 20, 2015, 12:04:17 PM

BTW...classlessness has three double letters (like committee), but they are all S'es

And also...how do you spell S'es?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 20, 2015, 12:06:30 PM

There is no way I'd pay anything like £10m for Afobe, isn't he very raw and untested really? Look at some of the deals we've done on the continent this summer also even Gestede for £6m. That's the kind of range I'd put Afobe in £6-8m with add ons.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 20, 2015, 12:10:23 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 20, 2015, 11:00:53 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2015, 10:49:41 AM

It's the mark of a classy club. The fact Chelsea were formed in the 20th century is just more proof to the accuracy of the measure.

For me history can never be lumped in with "only thing", it is very important.

Norwich have spent 24 seasons in the top flight. Wolves spent their 24th season in the top flight in 1936.

Birmingham City FC, founded 1875.

Rapidly approaching 150 years of continued failure. They'll probably hold a celebratory riot in honour of it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 20, 2015, 12:16:16 PM

Some randoms on Twitter reckon that Sherwood was looking at Dominic Iorfa of Wolves last night. Might make sense having seemingly missed out on Holgate. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on August 20, 2015, 12:22:03 PM

Quote from: thick_mike on August 20, 2015, 12:04:17 PM

BTW...classlessness has three double letters (like committee), but they are all S'es

And also...how do you spell S'es?

Esses.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: spangley1812 on August 20, 2015, 12:22:55 PM

I would pay the £15m that QPR want for Austin

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Jon Crofts on August 20, 2015, 12:29:36 PM

We had an Austin once.  Always breaking down.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 20, 2015, 12:31:18 PM

I'd be more inclined to pay it for Afobe, I think. from what I've seen of him, he has more of an all-round game. Granted, he isn't tried or tested in the Premiership yet, but at his age I can only see him getting better.

£15m is probably what it'd take to get him now, which does seem a lot, but so did £6m for Robbie Keane all of those years ago and I can see his being a similar situation.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Billy Walker on August 20, 2015, 12:31:31 PM

"Birmingham City" per se have been around since 1943!  Paulie's theory holds true.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Comrade Blitz on August 20, 2015, 12:34:08 PM

Quote from: thick_mike on August 20, 2015, 12:01:39 PM

We really need a Venn diagram here.

(http://www.apus.edu/sebin/r/t/venn-diagram.png)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 20, 2015, 12:35:12 PM

Do not know anything about Afobe (scurried away to look on You tube)
I worry that Austin is a London Billy Big Bollocks

I think TS has done wonderfully redesigning the squad so I really hope he has a rabbit up his sleeve with a CF - I still hope there is something in Adebeyor

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: E I Adio on August 20, 2015, 12:45:45 PM

Quote from: brian green on August 20, 2015, 10:41:38 AM

Wolves are a natural enemy but i always feel more comfortable there than Norwich which is the shortest Premiership trip for us.   There is an air of phoniness about Norwich and the vaguely patronizing claim that they are a "family club" as opposed to illegitimate bastards like Villa and Wolves.  Much is personal dating back to being thrown out of their ground years ago for going to the defence of a young lad who refused to pay for a burger which was essentially raw and frozen and then the time a couple of years ago when I got a parking ticket outside their ground and had a slanging match with Gobby Cabbage on 606 when I raised the point of fans being ripped off by councils on match day parking. Lots of better memories of Molyneux.

I have similar feelings based on my one and only trip to Carrow Road. Some time in the '70's I was visiting a lady friend who lived in Norwich and it "just so happened" to coincide with Villa's fixture. We sat in the posh seats near the halfway line and although I was keeping a low profile and not wearing colours, I couldn't resist a fairly muted but short "YEAAA!" when we scored. You'd have thought the yokels had spotted a dangerous terrorist such was the reaction. I was happy enough when they equalised, which seemed to calm them down a bit.

On the other hand, I worked in Wolverhampton for some years and regularly went to The Mol with my Wolves supporting mates and never had any similar problems.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 20, 2015, 12:49:10 PM

My Wolves fan mates tell me that Norwich have a big problem with them dating back to a play off game and a Kevin Muscat horror tackle.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OzVilla on August 20, 2015, 12:49:22 PM

Arn't they all a bit inbred in Norwich?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 20, 2015, 12:54:59 PM

Quote from: OzVilla on August 20, 2015, 12:49:22 PM

Arn't they all a bit inbred in Norwich?

Oi You will have their sisterwife after you !!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OzVilla on August 20, 2015, 12:57:37 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on August 20, 2015, 12:49:10 PM

My Wolves fan mates tell me that Norwich have a big problem with them dating back to a play off game and a Kevin Muscat horror tackle.

A Kevin Muscat horror tackle. You don't say.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 20, 2015, 01:07:40 PM

Quote from: OzVilla on August 20, 2015, 12:49:22 PM

Arn't they all a bit inbred in Norwich?

Common question at maternity ward - are you related to the father

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on August 20, 2015, 01:11:30 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 20, 2015, 12:31:18 PM

I'd be more inclined to pay it for Afobe, I think. from what I've seen of him, he has more of an all-round game. Granted, he isn't tried or tested in the Premiership yet, but at his age I can only see him getting better.

£15m is probably what it'd take to get him now, which does seem a lot, but so did £6m for Robbie Keane all of those years ago and I can see his being a similar situation.

Based on the value we have managed to extract from the Window so far, £15m on a player untried in the Premier League is both ludicrous and unlikely to happen.

I hope that TS is focussing on RB and CB right now.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: glasses on August 20, 2015, 01:38:53 PM

Quote from: OzVilla on August 20, 2015, 12:57:37 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on August 20, 2015, 12:49:10 PM

My Wolves fan mates tell me that Norwich have a big problem with them dating back to a play off game and a Kevin Muscat horror tackle.

A Kevin Muscat horror tackle. You don't say.

Supposedly, one season in the game at carrow road between the two clubs, Muscat was injured/tackled/looked at funny by Craig Belamy (then of Norwich City). In the reverse fixture, Muscat got revenge. I've heard a story of Muscat supposedly whispering to Bellamy all game that he was going to break his legs. Reminders every couple of minutes 'it's coming...' etc

Then late on *BANG* and Bellamy is out for months. May not have played for Norwich again.

You'd think it was awful, but then you hear it's on Craig Bellamy and suddenly it's not too bad*

*It is still pretty grim.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 20, 2015, 01:50:43 PM

Quote from: Mister E on August 20, 2015, 01:11:30 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 20, 2015, 12:31:18 PM

I'd be more inclined to pay it for Afobe, I think. from what I've seen of him, he has more of an all-round game. Granted, he isn't tried or tested in the Premiership yet, but at his age I can only see him getting better.

£15m is probably what it'd take to get him now, which does seem a lot, but so did £6m for Robbie Keane all of those years ago and I can see his being a similar situation.

Based on the value we have managed to extract from the Window so far, £15m on a player untried in the Premier League is both ludicrous and unlikely to happen.

I hope that TS is focussing on RB and CB right now.

Exactly. For a bit more than that we got in Gueye, Veretout and Gestede. A 22 yr old in the Championship with only 20 goals at that level, it's a massive leap to make for a massive amount of money, and not the sort financially we could afford right now I don't think. For £15m I'd want an Embolo.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Hillbilly on August 20, 2015, 01:54:29 PM

Quote from: OzVilla on August 20, 2015, 12:49:22 PM

Arn't they all a bit inbred in Norwich?

I cycled through Kings Lynn once and got dogs abuse for riding a bike. I think they thought it was some sort of witchcraft, a horse with round legs or the like.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: DB on August 20, 2015, 02:15:29 PM

Quote from: Hookeysmith on August 20, 2015, 12:35:12 PM

Do not know anything about Afobe (scurried away to look on You tube)
I worry that Austin is a London Billy Big Bollocks

I think TS has done wonderfully redesigning the squad so I really hope he has a rabbit up his sleeve with a CF - I still hope there is something in Adebeyor

Austin is from around Berkshire near where I live, his uncle used to own the pub where I drink. He is locally known as 'Big time Charlie'....as you say he is a bit of a big bollocks.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 20, 2015, 02:24:41 PM

We definitely need a goal scorer, whether that's Austin I'm not sure.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 20, 2015, 02:26:51 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 20, 2015, 02:24:41 PM

We definitely need a goal scorer, whether that's Austin I'm not sure.

I'll decide after the cup game when we're likely to have seen at least a couple of Gil, Grealish or Traore, I do wonder if the biggest problem right now is that none of our creative attacking players have kicked a ball for us yet.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 20, 2015, 02:28:37 PM

Quote from: paul_e on August 20, 2015, 02:26:51 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 20, 2015, 02:24:41 PM

We definitely need a goal scorer, whether that's Austin I'm not sure.

I'll decide after the cup game when we're likely to have seen at least a couple of Gil, Grealish or Traore, I do wonder if the biggest problem right now is that none of our creative attacking players have kicked a ball for us yet.

Even with those, I'd say we only have two out and out strikers in Kozak and Gestede. Given that the former is coming back from a serious injury and the latter is unproven at the top level, I think another striker is a priority.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 20, 2015, 02:30:36 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 20, 2015, 02:28:37 PM

Quote from: paul_e on August 20, 2015, 02:26:51 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 20, 2015, 02:24:41 PM

We definitely need a goal scorer, whether that's Austin I'm not sure.

I'll decide after the cup game when we're likely to have seen at least a couple of Gil, Grealish or Traore, I do wonder if the biggest problem right now is that none of our creative attacking players have kicked a ball for us yet.

Even with those, I'd say we only have two out and out strikers in Kozak and Gestede. Given that the former is coming back from a serious injury and the latter is unproven at the top level, I think another striker is a priority.

I think Ayew is as well now that I've seen him.  For me a new striker coming in is a replacement for Kozak or Gabby and personally I'd like to see the former get a chance before he's replaced and the latter isn't going anywhere this season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 20, 2015, 02:42:55 PM

didn't Ayew have his only reasonably prolific season playing centrally for Lorient?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 20, 2015, 02:48:44 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 20, 2015, 02:42:55 PM

didn't Ayew have his only reasonably prolific season playing centrally for Lorient?

Yep, he's also bigger and stronger than he looks, the stupid shorts are the problem.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 20, 2015, 02:54:15 PM

He'll come good. Not like he was scoring his goals in the lower leagues in France. He looks mentally bagged from not being in shape and is making daft technical errors. Once we get to creating proper chances for him that he accelerate on to we'll get a lot more from him. We desperately need one or more of Grealish/Traore/Gil available and in the side soon just to add that variety and genius because we have looked a bit laboured in the final third. Sherwood alluded to that too with Gestede that we started to lump it up to him as opposed to using all of his talents, or utilising him as a decoy to bring others into the game. We became predictable and one dimensional and we need to ensure we we maintain flexibility in our play irrespective of who is up front.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 20, 2015, 03:01:16 PM

not transfer related but some great pictures of JPA on the Mail webpages visiting (sadly) Chelsea's training ground the other day

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 20, 2015, 03:10:05 PM

http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~4946453,00.html

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on August 20, 2015, 03:11:54 PM

To be fair to Ayew and Gabby we spent too much of our time launching it route 1 on Friday to be able to say anything about the forwards. Even when Gestede was losing the challenges against Smalling we continued down the same path. As paul e said we haven't seen our attacking players midfielders yet so I'm hopeful that we will use it more on the deck v Palace and turn their centre-halves as they aren't the quickest.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 20, 2015, 03:22:27 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 20, 2015, 03:01:16 PM

not transfer related but some great pictures of JPA on the Mail webpages visiting (sadly) Chelsea's training ground the other day

Isn't he friends with Falcao?  I'm sure that was part of the 2+2=11 thing that saw us linked with him a few years back.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 20, 2015, 03:24:18 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on August 20, 2015, 01:50:43 PM

Quote from: Mister E on August 20, 2015, 01:11:30 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 20, 2015, 12:31:18 PM

I'd be more inclined to pay it for Afobe, I think. from what I've seen of him, he has more of an all-round game. Granted, he isn't tried or tested in the Premiership yet, but at his age I can only see him getting better.

£15m is probably what it'd take to get him now, which does seem a lot, but so did £6m for Robbie Keane all of those years ago and I can see his being a similar situation.

Based on the value we have managed to extract from the Window so far, £15m on a player untried in the Premier League is both ludicrous and unlikely to happen.

I hope that TS is focussing on RB and CB right now.

Exactly. For a bit more than that we got in Gueye, Veretout and Gestede. A 22 yr old in the Championship with only 20 goals at that level, it's a massive leap to make for a massive amount of money, and not the sort financially we could afford right now I don't think. For £15m I'd want an Embolo.

Embolo who has a total of 13 goals in the Swiss League? I don't really see the difference, especially given Sherwood's comments on focussing on English based players now.

We're also still only at a net spend of around £7m, so I'd be amazed if there wasn't still cash to spend.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 20, 2015, 03:31:28 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 20, 2015, 03:24:18 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on August 20, 2015, 01:50:43 PM

Quote from: Mister E on August 20, 2015, 01:11:30 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 20, 2015, 12:31:18 PM

I'd be more inclined to pay it for Afobe, I think. from what I've seen of him, he has more of an all-round game. Granted, he isn't tried or tested in the Premiership yet, but at his age I can only see him getting better.

£15m is probably what it'd take to get him now, which does seem a lot, but so did £6m for Robbie Keane all of those years ago and I can see his being a similar situation.

Based on the value we have managed to extract from the Window so far, £15m on a player untried in the Premier League is both ludicrous and unlikely to happen.

I hope that TS is focussing on RB and CB right now.

Exactly. For a bit more than that we got in Gueye, Veretout and Gestede. A 22 yr old in the Championship with only 20 goals at that level, it's a massive leap to make for a massive amount of money, and not the sort financially we could afford right now I don't think. For £15m I'd want an Embolo.

Embolo who has a total of 13 goals in the Swiss League? I don't really see the difference, especially given Sherwood's comments on focussing on English based players now.

We're also still only at a net spend of around £7m, so I'd be amazed if there wasn't still cash to spend.

Do you mean the Sherwood comments that came a couple of days before we signed a guy from Barcelona?

The difference is Afobe is 22, Embolo is 18.  I like the look of both but Embolo really does look like the real deal, Afobe could go either way for me.  Like anything though both would present a risk so if they're the 2 cohices it's a judgement call of who is more likely to be better value in the mid-long term.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 20, 2015, 03:32:49 PM

Embolo would be a  risk but what a talent and just what we need imo. Going back to JPA, only Gabby and York have scored more for us in the PL era, yet apart from that one brilliant season, he always seemed to flatter to deceive to me.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 20, 2015, 03:34:15 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 20, 2015, 03:32:49 PM

Embolo would be a  risk but what a talent and just what we need imo. Going back to JPA, only Gabby and York have scored more for us in the PL era, yet apart from that one brilliant season, he always seemed to flatter to deceive to me.

And Dion.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 20, 2015, 03:42:29 PM

Quote from: paul_e on August 20, 2015, 03:31:28 PM

Do you mean the Sherwood comments that came a couple of days before we signed a guy from Barcelona?

It's think it's fair to assume that the Traore deal was some way along at that point, not signed, sealed and delivered within 48 hours, don't you?

I'm not doubting that Embolo is going to be a major talent, but given Sherwood's recent comments (and appearance at Molineaux last night) it's far from fanciful to suggest that we may end up making a significant bid for Afobe.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2015, 03:45:44 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 20, 2015, 03:24:18 PM

We're also still only at a net spend of around £7m, so I'd be amazed if there wasn't still cash to spend.

It'd be disappointing if there wasn't.

I like the signings we've made thus far, but there are still positions where we are weaker than I'd like us to be.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 20, 2015, 04:58:27 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 20, 2015, 03:32:49 PM

Embolo would be a  risk but what a talent and just what we need imo. Going back to JPA, only Gabby and York have scored more for us in the PL era, yet apart from that one brilliant season, he always seemed to flatter to deceive to me.

I think rather than one brilliant season, he had two really good ones.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on August 20, 2015, 05:04:27 PM

What I liked about Angel is that he was a proper centre forward who got stuck in but could turn on the class when the fancy took him. The League Cup game against Chelsea is a great example, but those two goals at the Dogheads (one with the outside of his foot) were my favourites.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Proposition Joe on August 20, 2015, 05:19:48 PM

Quote from: curiousorange on August 20, 2015, 05:04:27 PM

What I liked about Angel is that he was a proper centre forward who got stuck in but could turn on the class when the fancy took him. The League Cup game against Chelsea is a great example, but those two goals at the Dogheads (one with the outside of his foot) were my favourites.

The one at Bolton away in the League Cup stands out for me.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 20, 2015, 06:08:16 PM

JPA in his prime would be good right now. Mind you so would a Benteke.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 20, 2015, 06:23:19 PM

All the JPA chat got me thinking about dear old Savo - I still can't believe that Parma paid 25m euro for him. But for all the misses, his career goal scoring  record isn't too shabby

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 20, 2015, 07:19:07 PM

I thought Savo was quality, scored goals and could link up play well. Got goals everywhere he went, England, Spain, Italy. Top, top player as Harry would say.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 20, 2015, 08:04:44 PM

don't get me wrong , I  really enjoyed watching him, but I suppose playing here was his least successful period- £16m was a lot to pay for him 15 years ago, especially as he was almost permanently out on loan.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 20, 2015, 08:07:58 PM

Loan? Eh?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: adrenachrome on August 20, 2015, 08:14:25 PM

Jason Burt at The Torygraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/11815284/Chelsea-transfers-Club-to-listen-to-offers-for-Juan-Cuadrado-or-Victor-Moses-after-signing-Pedro.html) reckons we are after Victor Moses.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 20, 2015, 08:22:11 PM

Quote from: LeeB on August 20, 2015, 08:07:58 PM

Loan? Eh?

I'll double that. Eh? Eh?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 20, 2015, 09:07:06 PM

I apologise if wrong but I thought most of the time he was in Spain he was only on loan from Parma

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 20, 2015, 09:45:53 PM

Lescott's the most likely next signing surely as the press were saying today WBA would let him go to us as soon as they sign Fazio from Spurs.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 20, 2015, 09:46:02 PM

Quote from: adrenachrome on August 20, 2015, 08:14:25 PM

Jason Burt at The Torygraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/11815284/Chelsea-transfers-Club-to-listen-to-offers-for-Juan-Cuadrado-or-Victor-Moses-after-signing-Pedro.html) reckons we are after Victor Moses.

Not for me, not enough football the last 4 years, wasted his time fucking around with Liverpool and Chelsea when he should have been playing week in week out.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 20, 2015, 09:53:18 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on August 20, 2015, 09:46:02 PM

Quote from: adrenachrome on August 20, 2015, 08:14:25 PM

Jason Burt at The Torygraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/11815284/Chelsea-transfers-Club-to-listen-to-offers-for-Juan-Cuadrado-or-Victor-Moses-after-signing-Pedro.html) reckons we are after Victor Moses.

Not for me, not enough football the last 4 years, wasted his time fucking around with Liverpool and Chelsea when he should have been playing week in week out.

He's still managed about 130 games in that time. For me, it would depend on the price and wages.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 20, 2015, 09:56:40 PM

Quote from: Proposition Joe on August 20, 2015, 05:19:48 PM

Quote from: curiousorange on August 20, 2015, 05:04:27 PM

What I liked about Angel is that he was a proper centre forward who got stuck in but could turn on the class when the fancy took him. The League Cup game against Chelsea is a great example, but those two goals at the Dogheads (one with the outside of his foot) were my favourites.

The one at Bolton away in the League Cup stands out for me.

Shame we were 3 or 4-0 down at the time

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 20, 2015, 09:56:54 PM

Moses is a very good player. Could he play the central striker role and score enough? Would that role tempt him to come? Is the lad from Lazio a better prospect for similar money. Will be interesting to see how it plays out in the next couple of weeks.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 20, 2015, 09:57:40 PM

I don't really rate him and I can't see the need for him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 20, 2015, 09:58:41 PM

You play Moses wide in a 4-3-3 I think, bit like Walcott, good defences can mark him out of a game if he plays centrally.

He was good for Stoke last year actually but picked up a few injuries when he hit good form. We surely have too many options for wide positions though to include him, we need another central striker in more.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 20, 2015, 10:13:36 PM

He's completely lost his way since joining Chelsea. He was a very promising player at Palace.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 20, 2015, 10:14:07 PM

Not that much different from Scott Sinclair really.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 20, 2015, 10:18:49 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 20, 2015, 10:13:36 PM

He's completely lost his way since joining Chelsea. He was a very promising player at Palace.

Wasn't he with Wigan first (before Chelsea)?

I'm not interested in him at allm we don't need anyone for the right side and I don't think he can play central or from the left.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on August 20, 2015, 10:19:10 PM

Quote from: adrenachrome on August 20, 2015, 08:14:25 PM

Jason Burt at The Torygraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/11815284/Chelsea-transfers-Club-to-listen-to-offers-for-Juan-Cuadrado-or-Victor-Moses-after-signing-Pedro.html) reckons we are after Victor Moses.

Do you think he could lead us into the promised land ?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on August 20, 2015, 10:22:15 PM

Quote from: john e on August 20, 2015, 10:19:10 PM

Quote from: adrenachrome on August 20, 2015, 08:14:25 PM

Jason Burt at The Torygraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/11815284/Chelsea-transfers-Club-to-listen-to-offers-for-Juan-Cuadrado-or-Victor-Moses-after-signing-Pedro.html) reckons we are after Victor Moses.

Do you think he could lead us into the promised land ?

Keep taking the tablets John

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JJ-AV on August 20, 2015, 10:29:37 PM

I like Moses, but not through the middle. We don't need him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eamonn on August 20, 2015, 10:45:56 PM

Quote from: JJ-AV on August 20, 2015, 10:29:37 PM

I like Moses, but not through the middle. We don't need him.

Don't geddit.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 20, 2015, 10:55:02 PM

Sherwood is in a rush to sign him

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on August 20, 2015, 10:57:37 PM

Quote from: adrenachrome on August 20, 2015, 08:14:25 PM

Jason Burt at The Torygraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/11815284/Chelsea-transfers-Club-to-listen-to-offers-for-Juan-Cuadrado-or-Victor-Moses-after-signing-Pedro.html) reckons we are after Victor Moses.

Jesus why him?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on August 20, 2015, 10:59:25 PM

Does Hebrew a good cuppa?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 20, 2015, 11:10:52 PM

Quote from: paul_e on August 20, 2015, 10:18:49 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 20, 2015, 10:13:36 PM

He's completely lost his way since joining Chelsea. He was a very promising player at Palace.

Wasn't he with Wigan first (before Chelsea)?

I'm not interested in him at allm we don't need anyone for the right side and I don't think he can play central or from the left.

Nah Paul, went from Wigan to Chelsea. He was at Palace before Wigan.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 20, 2015, 11:34:43 PM

Should he Sinai will give him my support.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on August 21, 2015, 12:07:08 AM

Credit where it's jew

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: itbrvilla on August 21, 2015, 12:28:35 AM

He'd be commanding down the middle.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ExclDawg on August 21, 2015, 12:33:03 AM

He's crap in defense.  Keeps letting his people go.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OzVilla on August 21, 2015, 12:41:33 AM

Moses is better than the other suggestions by a Nile.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ormy Droid on August 21, 2015, 07:15:14 AM

While I'd be circumspect about signing Moses, he might be a snip if the price is right, and a good fit for our number ten shirt.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 21, 2015, 07:33:18 AM

Moses? Basket case.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: MoetVillan on August 21, 2015, 07:54:26 AM

Is he still taking his tablets?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 21, 2015, 08:03:00 AM

If Moses leaves, I could see it sparking a mass exodus from Chelsea.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 21, 2015, 08:13:17 AM

We could lose him on international duty. Through his mother he qualifies for the Faroes.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 21, 2015, 08:16:08 AM

On a serious note, I actually think that Moses is a very good player and at only 24 will be a very good signing for somebody. However, he would be competing with Ayew, Gil, Grealish, Traore and, er, Agbonlahor for one of those wide striking berths so I just can’t really see us being in for him.  IF the rumours are true about Bolasie going to Spurs, then I could see Moses going back to Crystal Palace.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Jockey Randall on August 21, 2015, 09:29:12 AM

Fazio joining Baggies must mean Lescott is joining us?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Proposition Joe on August 21, 2015, 09:37:53 AM

According to the BBC, N'Zogbia, Richardson and Senderos have been told they can leave.

That can't be right, surely they have been told to please leave. Please, please just leave.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JD on August 21, 2015, 10:05:23 AM

Quote from: OzVilla on August 20, 2015, 12:57:37 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on August 20, 2015, 12:49:10 PM

My Wolves fan mates tell me that Norwich have a big problem with them dating back to a play off game and a Kevin Muscat horror tackle.

A Kevin Muscat horror tackle. You don't say.

My thoughts exactly. Weren't all Muscat's tackles horrific? Dirtiest and most malicious player I've ever seen play football.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SamTheMouse on August 21, 2015, 11:08:48 AM

The way he plays, Victor Moses reminds me way too much of Gabby.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 21, 2015, 11:11:58 AM

Wasn't Fazio largely comedically awful last season?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 21, 2015, 11:23:20 AM

Brentford have accepted a £9 million bid from Burnley for Andre Gray. Now he might be alright, but considering how much we paid for Adama it just shows how mental prices for English players are.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 21, 2015, 11:26:13 AM

He was pretty shocking. But he is big and ugly so made for pulis. Wonder if he can take a throw.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on August 21, 2015, 12:12:08 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 21, 2015, 11:11:58 AM

Wasn't Fazio largely comedically awful last season?

He's up there with the worst centre halfs I've seen in the Prem.  Benteke ran him ragged in the game at WHL last season. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on August 21, 2015, 12:37:26 PM

Quote from: JD on August 21, 2015, 10:05:23 AM

My thoughts exactly. Weren't all Muscat's tackles horrific? Dirtiest and most malicious player I've ever seen play football.

I'd refer the honourable gentleman to Roy Keane, late of this parish: what he did to Haarland still remains one of the worst incidents in football in my lifetime.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 21, 2015, 12:42:27 PM

Quote from: JD on August 21, 2015, 10:05:23 AM

Quote from: OzVilla on August 20, 2015, 12:57:37 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on August 20, 2015, 12:49:10 PM

My Wolves fan mates tell me that Norwich have a big problem with them dating back to a play off game and a Kevin Muscat horror tackle.

A Kevin Muscat horror tackle. You don't say.

My thoughts exactly. Weren't all Muscat's tackles horrific? Dirtiest and most malicious player I've ever seen play football.

IIRC the horror tackle was on a young Craig Bellamy and put him on the sidelines for a considerable amount of time.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Quiet Lion on August 21, 2015, 12:55:21 PM

Muscat was hands down the dirtiest player there has ever been at least in remotely modern times. The man was an untamed savage

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eric woolban woolban on August 21, 2015, 01:18:17 PM

There was another aussie player who was a bit of a prat too. Think he played for Leicester. Aah Danny Tiatto

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 21, 2015, 01:20:50 PM

Quote from: eric woolban woolban on August 21, 2015, 01:18:17 PM

There was another aussie player who was a bit of a prat too. Think he played for Leicester. Aah Danny Tiatto

Don't knock Tiatto, the man was like a cut price Roy Keene for me on Championship Manager.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 21, 2015, 01:36:23 PM

Appears Sherwood went over on Saturday to Malaga and we will have scouts at their game tomorrow night. Would we be back in for Darder? Wasn't he on the verge of a move to Lyon?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: DB on August 21, 2015, 01:37:08 PM

Quote from: Mister E on August 21, 2015, 12:37:26 PM

Quote from: JD on August 21, 2015, 10:05:23 AM

My thoughts exactly. Weren't all Muscat's tackles horrific? Dirtiest and most malicious player I've ever seen play football.

I'd refer the honourable gentleman to Roy Keane, late of this parish: what he did to Haarland still remains one of the worst incidents in football in my lifetime.

I raise you the jock-strap that is David Speedie...horrible player.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 21, 2015, 01:39:03 PM

Nigel De Jong must be up there in terms of genuinely dirty players. And I give you the worst tackle in a world cup final to not get a red card. Must have been booked weekly for Man City.

The other one I always found incredible dirty was Carvalho at Chelsea, always went in studs first and left his foot in.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 21, 2015, 01:56:54 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 21, 2015, 01:39:03 PM

Nigel De Jong must be up there in terms of genuinely dirty players. And I give you the worst tackle in a world cup final to not get a red card. Must have been booked weekly for Man City.

The other one I always found incredible dirty was Carvalho at Chelsea, always went in studs first and left his foot in.

I quite liked De Jong

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 21, 2015, 01:57:51 PM

Quote from: Proposition Joe on August 21, 2015, 09:37:53 AM

According to the BBC, N'Zogbia, Richardson and Senderos have been told they can leave.

That can't be right, surely they have been told to please leave. Please, please just leave.

It's a shame they just can't be frogmarched out..Especially N'zog the turd

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 21, 2015, 01:58:04 PM

He was a good player, but dirty as hell

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dr Butler on August 21, 2015, 02:05:26 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 21, 2015, 01:39:03 PM

Nigel De Jong must be up there in terms of genuinely dirty players. And I give you the worst tackle in a world cup final to not get a red card. Must have been booked weekly for Man City.

The other one I always found incredible dirty was Carvalho at Chelsea, always went in studs first and left his foot in.

but he was always sorry after the event...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/7160652.stm

UTV
The Doc

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 21, 2015, 02:42:16 PM

Quote from: Quiet Lion on August 21, 2015, 12:55:21 PM

Muscat was hands down the dirtiest player there has ever been at least in remotely modern times. The man was an untamed savage

pussy cat

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 21, 2015, 03:05:02 PM

Muscat was a thug not a footballer, 123 yellows, 12 reds and he was lucky it was only 12.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Vegas on August 21, 2015, 03:10:04 PM

The first and third are beauties. Didn't see too much wrong with the middle one to be honest.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 21, 2015, 03:12:45 PM

I thought that, especially by his standards it was a nothing challenge. So many to choose from I just went for the 3 in 1 video.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 21, 2015, 03:18:56 PM

Quite a few people on twitter are saying that we have Scouts going over to watch Malaga v Sevilla this weekend, on the back of Sherwood being in Malaga earlier in the week. They seem to be guessing that we're either (still) looking at Darder, or at their Keeper, Ikeme.

if we buy another African player, I think we might just have to concede all of our games in January 2017.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on August 21, 2015, 03:44:25 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 21, 2015, 03:12:45 PM

I thought that, especially by his standards it was a nothing challenge. So many to choose from I just went for the 3 in 1 video.

You see; that's what happens when your reputation goes before you.  It doesn't matter that you go out to referee a match with a clean sheet for every player, you just know the usual suspects will, at some stage of the game, resort to type/show their true colours, they can't help it.

I could bore you for the next twenty-four hours with my experiences.  One instance happened over here.  Me and a particular player were getting out of our cars prior to a match and he said to me,'Do you want my name now, it'll save time later on?'  I replied, 'Nah, I already know it'.  After every game that I referreed I always went back to the pub/clubhouse for a sandwich and tea/pint especially as the clubs' extended their hospitality. 

After the above match and the inevitable booking for that player, I went back to the pub.  The next thing I knew; a pint was placed in front of me sent by the player in question.  It turned out that he owned the pub!  I never knew that.  I went over to thank him and we sat down to talk.  We discussed football in general and that match in particular.  We eventually got around to his behaviour, he openly admitted, try as he might he couldn't help himself.  Personally I don't subscribe to that theory as I believe it's all about self-control.  That's just one of my experiences.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 21, 2015, 03:45:52 PM

I think Ikeme was originally scouted by Paulo Cesar with his fellow countrymen Isore and Ikonked.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 21, 2015, 03:48:32 PM

Sorry, I'm getting confused. It's actually this guy;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idriss_Carlos_Kameni

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 21, 2015, 03:49:55 PM

Twitter is also suggesting that Vlaar will be a Southampton player by Monday. wonder if this would free-up Fonte for a transfer?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 21, 2015, 04:14:02 PM

Quote from: DB on August 21, 2015, 01:37:08 PM

Quote from: Mister E on August 21, 2015, 12:37:26 PM

Quote from: JD on August 21, 2015, 10:05:23 AM

My thoughts exactly. Weren't all Muscat's tackles horrific? Dirtiest and most malicious player I've ever seen play football.

I'd refer the honourable gentleman to Roy Keane, late of this parish: what he did to Haarland still remains one of the worst incidents in football in my lifetime.

I raise you the jock-strap that is David Speedie...horrible player.

Hasn't played in England (yet) but Axel Witsel has a few of those tackles in his back catalogue, the leg break a few years ago where he just stamps down on the guys shin is every bit as bad as the haaland one.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 21, 2015, 04:21:49 PM

Quote from: paul_e on August 21, 2015, 04:14:02 PM

Quote from: DB on August 21, 2015, 01:37:08 PM

Quote from: Mister E on August 21, 2015, 12:37:26 PM

Quote from: JD on August 21, 2015, 10:05:23 AM

My thoughts exactly. Weren't all Muscat's tackles horrific? Dirtiest and most malicious player I've ever seen play football.

I'd refer the honourable gentleman to Roy Keane, late of this parish: what he did to Haarland still remains one of the worst incidents in football in my lifetime.

I raise you the jock-strap that is David Speedie...horrible player.

Hasn't played in England (yet) but Axel Witsel has a few of those tackles in his back catalogue, the leg break a few years ago where he just stamps down on the guys shin is every bit as bad as the haaland one.

Witsel is a good player and arguably one of the best defensive midfielders around.  Didn't Zenit pay something like 30m for him? 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 21, 2015, 04:22:48 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 21, 2015, 03:18:56 PM

Quite a few people on twitter are saying that we have Scouts going over to watch Malaga v Sevilla this weekend

I'm in Malaga and I'm going to the game this evening with my son. He's wearing his Villa shirt but has never been in the cubs or scouts, I think that puts an end to the Twitter rumours. It's fucking hot here, too hot.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 21, 2015, 04:23:17 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on August 21, 2015, 04:21:49 PM

Quote from: paul_e on August 21, 2015, 04:14:02 PM

Quote from: DB on August 21, 2015, 01:37:08 PM

Quote from: Mister E on August 21, 2015, 12:37:26 PM

Quote from: JD on August 21, 2015, 10:05:23 AM

My thoughts exactly. Weren't all Muscat's tackles horrific? Dirtiest and most malicious player I've ever seen play football.

I'd refer the honourable gentleman to Roy Keane, late of this parish: what he did to Haarland still remains one of the worst incidents in football in my lifetime.

I raise you the jock-strap that is David Speedie...horrible player.

Hasn't played in England (yet) but Axel Witsel has a few of those tackles in his back catalogue, the leg break a few years ago where he just stamps down on the guys shin is every bit as bad as the haaland one.

Witsel is a good player and arguably one of the best defensive midfielders around.  Didn't Zenit pay something like 30m for him? 

Oh he's a great player, the yet was in there because I expect him to end up at Man City or Chelsea before long.  Still a nasty bastard though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 21, 2015, 04:27:07 PM

Quote from: brian green on August 21, 2015, 03:45:52 PM

I think Ikeme was originally scouted by Paulo Cesar with his fellow countrymen Isore and Ikonked.

You missed his Swedish cousin.  Ikea.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PGW on August 21, 2015, 04:27:49 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 21, 2015, 03:49:55 PM

Twitter is also suggesting that Vlaar will be a Southampton player by Monday. wonder if this would free-up Fonte for a transfer?

Why would a team sign a player and pay him for maybe 4 months whilst injured.....doesn't make sense to me....type of thing we would do.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 21, 2015, 04:28:10 PM

Quote from: paul_e on August 21, 2015, 04:23:17 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on August 21, 2015, 04:21:49 PM

Quote from: paul_e on August 21, 2015, 04:14:02 PM

Quote from: DB on August 21, 2015, 01:37:08 PM

Quote from: Mister E on August 21, 2015, 12:37:26 PM

Quote from: JD on August 21, 2015, 10:05:23 AM

My thoughts exactly. Weren't all Muscat's tackles horrific? Dirtiest and most malicious player I've ever seen play football.

I'd refer the honourable gentleman to Roy Keane, late of this parish: what he did to Haarland still remains one of the worst incidents in football in my lifetime.

I raise you the jock-strap that is David Speedie...horrible player.

Hasn't played in England (yet) but Axel Witsel has a few of those tackles in his back catalogue, the leg break a few years ago where he just stamps down on the guys shin is every bit as bad as the haaland one.

Witsel is a good player and arguably one of the best defensive midfielders around.  Didn't Zenit pay something like 30m for him? 

Oh he's a great player, the yet was in there because I expect him to end up at Man City or Chelsea before long.  Still a nasty bastard though.

Genetically engineered to fit right in at Scumford Bridge then.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 21, 2015, 04:37:12 PM

One of the dirtiest nastiest players I have ever seen live is Dennis Law.  Like Shearer he got away with the bulk of his foul play because he was mates with the media. Law's stamp on Alan Deakin's face got him sent off in the days when players were expected to play on to the final whistle carrying their own body parts.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eamonn on August 21, 2015, 04:40:26 PM

Marc Van Bommel is/was a dirty, curly-haired fouler.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 21, 2015, 04:41:51 PM

Quote from: eamonn on August 21, 2015, 04:40:26 PM

Marc Van Bommel is/was a dirty, curly-haired fouler.

this just tickled me

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 21, 2015, 04:46:48 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on August 21, 2015, 12:12:08 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 21, 2015, 11:11:58 AM

Wasn't Fazio largely comedically awful last season?

He's up there with the worst centre halfs I've seen in the Prem.  Benteke ran him ragged in the game at WHL last season. 

As the Fiver puts it:

Quote

Federico Fazio has been cupped and asked to cough by the West Brom medical staff ahead of his move from Tottenham. Hopefully they didn’t ask him to run 100m in less than 30 seconds, otherwise the deal might be off.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard on August 21, 2015, 04:56:24 PM

Ha ha not like the Baggies to buy yet another slow player

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 21, 2015, 04:59:54 PM

Quote from: Dave on August 21, 2015, 04:46:48 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on August 21, 2015, 12:12:08 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 21, 2015, 11:11:58 AM

Wasn't Fazio largely comedically awful last season?

He's up there with the worst centre halfs I've seen in the Prem.  Benteke ran him ragged in the game at WHL last season. 

As the Fiver puts it:

Quote

Federico Fazio has been cupped and asked to cough by the West Brom medical staff ahead of his move from Tottenham. Hopefully they didn’t ask him to run 100m in less than 30 seconds, otherwise the deal might be off.

He's to fill the "really really atrocious defender" gap they've had ever since Diego Lugano (Villa's best player in the 4-3 in 2014) left.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on August 21, 2015, 05:13:12 PM

Quote from: brian green on August 21, 2015, 04:37:12 PM

One of the dirtiest nastiest players I have ever seen live is Dennis Law.  Like Shearer he got away with the bulk of his foul play because he was mates with the media. Law's stamp on Alan Deakin's face got him sent off in the days when players were expected to play on to the final whistle carrying their own body parts.

and the longest ban in the sixties. Four weeks. Disgusting individual.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 21, 2015, 08:56:33 PM

Burnley pay £9m for a bloke who has scored 18 league goals. Football truly is mental sometimes.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 21, 2015, 09:14:04 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 21, 2015, 08:56:33 PM

Burnley pay £9m for a bloke who has scored 18 league goals. Football truly is mental sometimes.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 22, 2015, 02:29:31 AM

Agreed as you probably can buy 2 quality international players oversea for that if you look in right place. I am happy Tim to do his shopping in France/Spain

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villan from luton on August 22, 2015, 02:49:51 AM

Quote from: brian green on August 21, 2015, 04:37:12 PM

One of the dirtiest nastiest players I have ever seen live is Dennis Law.  Like Shearer he got away with the bulk of his foul play because he was mates with the media. Law's stamp on Alan Deakin's face got him sent off in the days when players were expected to play on to the final whistle carrying their own body parts.

im
I that the day we won 4-0? If so a shining light was born, 16/11/1963

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 22, 2015, 09:00:06 AM

so it's now sell to buy according to Tim. That limits us severely.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 22, 2015, 09:08:09 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 22, 2015, 09:00:06 AM

so it's now sell to buy according to Tim. That limits us severely.

Just as well we've already signed ten players then really, isn't it?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 22, 2015, 09:09:57 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 22, 2015, 09:00:06 AM

so it's now sell to buy according to Tim. That limits us severely.

Also very logical.  Whilst not a bomb squad there's a risk that we'll have a ton of players that are unlikely to feature and we cannot afford to carry those wages.  My guess is that the comment is more of a wages issue than a transfer fee problem.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ryu on August 22, 2015, 09:10:39 AM

Quote from: Dave on August 22, 2015, 09:08:09 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 22, 2015, 09:00:06 AM

so it's now sell to buy according to Tim. That limits us severely.

Just as well we've already signed ten players then really, isn't it?

I think we should add some players to take us over the 25 man squad that we can have spare just in case. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 22, 2015, 09:42:02 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 22, 2015, 09:00:06 AM

so it's now sell to buy according to Tim. That limits us severely.

Is that down to financial restrictions or just sheer numbers of players I wonder. Hopefully it's just the latter as our net spend is minimal.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 22, 2015, 10:11:16 AM

my point was that we need another proven goal scorer at least and if we are waiting on players like N'Zogbia to be shifted fist that might be tricky. As ever sarcastic Dave pops up with we've signed 10 already  - yes we have but we need a couple more.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: exigo on August 22, 2015, 10:14:00 AM

Well he's hardly likely to say 'we're rolling in cash ready to snap up even more of the world's top talent' is he?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 22, 2015, 10:15:58 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 22, 2015, 10:11:16 AM

my point was that we need another proven goal scorer at least and if we are waiting on players like N'Zogbia to be shifted fist that might be tricky. As ever sarcastic Dave pops up with we've signed 10 already  - yes we have but we need a couple more.

Charlie Austin still up for grabs

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on August 22, 2015, 10:18:41 AM

I suspect we might well go for Austin, despite not really being strongly linked this summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Monty on August 22, 2015, 10:21:10 AM

Given what Tim was saying about how overpriced English players are, I doubt he'll be going in for Austin.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: DB on August 22, 2015, 10:34:14 AM

Quote from: Monty on August 22, 2015, 10:21:10 AM

Given what Tim was saying about how overpriced English players are, I doubt he'll be going in for Austin.

Unless they can get him at the right price...but that is unlikely. I reckon another player from Spain, Farnce etc.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 22, 2015, 10:36:02 AM

Austin has been deliberately marketed to sucker some club into a last minute panic buy.  I can't see TS falling for that one. He will be given the money if the right player at the right price becomes available. The last thing he wants to do is create the notion that Villa are mugs.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on August 22, 2015, 10:55:42 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 22, 2015, 09:00:06 AM

so it's now sell to buy according to Tim. That limits us severely.

That's fine: it dampens expectations all around, signals to those players that are not required that they really are surplus to requirements and reminds other would-be buyers that we have some offloading to do.
Seems sensible, although I'd like another CB and / or RB.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 22, 2015, 11:51:01 AM

Looks like vlaar is going to Southampton, be funny if we got fonte as a result.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 22, 2015, 01:15:56 PM

If Fonte does come we shall have the Calypso Kid 2. Harry Bela.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 22, 2015, 01:21:44 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 22, 2015, 09:42:02 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 22, 2015, 09:00:06 AM

so it's now sell to buy according to Tim. That limits us severely.

Is that down to financial restrictions or just sheer numbers of players I wonder. Hopefully it's just the latter as our net spend is minimal.

why do you care so much about net spend? We already had this discussion. Because by bleating on about it I imagine you would you would be happier if we spent an extra 3-4m per player we signed to take our net spend to around a number you can accept. It's not about how much you spend but where you spend it. I would much rather do what we have done then say buy domestically at a significant premium. Is that so difficult to accept that we have bought well at what appears to be good prices?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 22, 2015, 01:33:10 PM

The test of Lerner's approach these days won't be how much he spends in a summer when we've recouped approx 50m in player sales, it will be how much we spend when that doesn't happen (ie most seasons).

I like the players we have got in, but I still think we have strengthening to do. If it turned out to be a case of "spend what you raise", then that would be disppointing as it wouldn't really flag a change in his approach to transfer money.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 22, 2015, 01:37:06 PM

In addition keeping purchase costs as low as possible leaves room to pay better wages. Better wages mean better players want to come to us. No point in our scouts finding the talent if our wage structure puts off the players you unearth.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 22, 2015, 01:37:44 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 22, 2015, 01:21:44 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 22, 2015, 09:42:02 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 22, 2015, 09:00:06 AM

so it's now sell to buy according to Tim. That limits us severely.

Is that down to financial restrictions or just sheer numbers of players I wonder. Hopefully it's just the latter as our net spend is minimal.

why do you care so much about net spend? We already had this discussion. Because by bleating on about it I imagine you would you would be happier if we spent an extra 3-4m per player we signed to take our net spend to around a number you can accept. It's not about how much you spend but where you spend it. I would much rather do what we have done then say buy domestically at a significant premium. Is that so difficult to accept that we have bought well at what appears to be good prices?

Completely agree.

In a year where we've had a massive windfall, compared to what we might normally have raised in incoming fees, net spend is a useless marker.

A better question is, would we have spent an extra £0.5 - 1.0M per player to increase the net spend by £5 - 10M, or done the same business if the Benteke buy out clause had only been say £25M?

My gut answer is yes.

Some people are wondering how we're going to get all these new players to "gel", "bed in" or whatever Lawrensonesque euphemism for form a team you wish to use, yet at the same time clamour for one or two more signings.  That doesn't make sense, as the second point makes the first point worse.

For what it's worth, I think we've just about  reached the limit of how many players can sensibly be integrated into the squad, and the only exception to that would be if we found Amavi's right footed doppelganger somewhere for upto around the £10M mark.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 22, 2015, 01:40:11 PM

And that is an entirely different discussion than to keep banging on about net spend. It's about correctly investing in improving the squad and based on need it should vary year to year. What we need to get away from is what we did this summer and make wholesale changes and get to a point where we are incrementally adding to improve. That inevitably should mean some players go and others come in who are better. But what will be critical is we just don't spend to satisfy some artificial number, that we get the best deal possible for players we sell and those we buy.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 22, 2015, 01:45:57 PM

I agree with that Paulie but I think our present staff have gone a long way to showing the owner that money spent on players need not and must not be a MON squander. I will eat my hat if the players brought in in this window collectively do not show a big profit. Lerner has never had a really shrewd bunch of cookies working for him. He has got one now.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 22, 2015, 02:09:28 PM

For me the other thing is that it's difficult for a club with our wage bill and recent finishes to spend £70m, we can do what we've done and reach a point where our wage bill can't (by ffp restrictions) have anything more added to it without removing wages through sales.  On top of that I agree with ViD, any further additions now really need to be thought about because we have got nearly half a squad to 'bed in'.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 22, 2015, 03:09:45 PM

I think it is much more a squad and wages thing than a transfer fee issue.

Get NZogbia, Richardson and Senderos out, I would imagine the best part of 100k would be freed in wages etc.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 22, 2015, 05:20:43 PM

We absolutely must spend good money on another striker.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 22, 2015, 06:34:33 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 22, 2015, 01:40:11 PM

And that is an entirely different discussion than to keep banging on about net spend. It's about correctly investing in improving the squad and based on need it should vary year to year. What we need to get away from is what we did this summer and make wholesale changes and get to a point where we are incrementally adding to improve. That inevitably should mean some players go and others come in who are better. But what will be critical is we just don't spend to satisfy some artificial number, that we get the best deal possible for players we sell and those we buy.

Do I really have to explain this again. Spend is important. If we buy 10 average players or 7 better ones or even say 5 really good ones with £40m it's an important differential.
So far we are at more or less net £0.
We still lack proven quality, you could argue £8m on Ayew was not wise when another £5m gets you Austin who is proven . Etc etc .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 22, 2015, 06:45:54 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 22, 2015, 06:34:33 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 22, 2015, 01:40:11 PM

And that is an entirely different discussion than to keep banging on about net spend. It's about correctly investing in improving the squad and based on need it should vary year to year. What we need to get away from is what we did this summer and make wholesale changes and get to a point where we are incrementally adding to improve. That inevitably should mean some players go and others come in who are better. But what will be critical is we just don't spend to satisfy some artificial number, that we get the best deal possible for players we sell and those we buy.

Do I really have to explain this again. Spend is important. If we but 10 average players or 7 better ones or even say 5 really good ones with £40m it's important.
So far we are at more or less net £0.
We still lack proven quality, you could argue £8m on Ayew was not wise when another £5m gets you Austin who is proven . Etc etc .

You've completely missed the point. Spend is utterly irrelevant if what you've spent it on doesn't work. MON was the King of Net Spend and look where it got us. You are having such difficulty in understanding this aren't you? We need to buy players that improve us and not be obsessed on what they cost and what kind of net spend it derives.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 22, 2015, 06:50:39 PM

The point you are  totally missing TV is quality is generally more costly. Great we've signed 10 players but are they going to improve us ? We've quickly spent the £40m we received on sales on lots of unproven players (other than Micah who is proven class).
It's obvious already we are still short on at the minimum a "Charlie Austin" type and a quality RB (Bacuna really is not a RB) .
I don't think it would be unreasonable to expect a net spend of +£25m and in that respect I say get Austin and a proper RB plus lescott ASAP.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villabear on August 22, 2015, 06:51:41 PM

Desperately need a goal scorer.  Charlie Austin for me.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 22, 2015, 06:53:51 PM

Quote from: villabear on August 22, 2015, 06:51:41 PM

Desperately need a goal scorer.  Charlie Austin for me.

He scored another 2 today.
Really is a no brainer.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 22, 2015, 06:57:25 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 22, 2015, 06:50:39 PM

The point you are  totally missing TV is quality is generally more costly. Great we've signed 10 players but are they going to improve us ? We've quickly spent the £40m we received on sales on lots of unproven players (other than Micah who is proven class).
It's obvious already we are still short on at the minimum a "Charlie Austin" type and a quality RB (Bacuna really is not a RB) .
I don't think it would be unreasonable to expect a net spend of +£25m and in that respect I say get Austin and a proper RB plus lescott ASAP.

Quality doesn't always correlate to what you pay. There's loads of example of that. Astute buying is way more important as Swansea have proved. Don't you think there is a reason why no team has lashed out £15m on Austin. If it was that easy he'd be in the PL already. I'm not denying at all that we need some additions but it has nothing to do with what we will pay for them. It's whether they bring value and can they make an impact quickly as Traore showed he can today for a fraction of what we could have paid for Townsend as an example.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: richard moore on August 22, 2015, 06:59:28 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 22, 2015, 05:20:43 PM

We absolutely must spend good money on another striker.

I agree totally. We are going to have big problems if we don't, relying on Gestede and pretty much nothing else.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 22, 2015, 07:04:12 PM

Gestede - limited ability with the ball at his feet and needs quality crosses to score with his head (which we don't have).
Ayew - question marks over ability and confidence (too early to judge).
Gabby - no ability or brain.
Kozak - doesn't appear to be in TS plans.

...it is as clear as day that we need a goal scorer.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 22, 2015, 07:21:15 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 22, 2015, 06:57:25 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 22, 2015, 06:50:39 PM

The point you are  totally missing TV is quality is generally more costly. Great we've signed 10 players but are they going to improve us ? We've quickly spent the £40m we received on sales on lots of unproven players (other than Micah who is proven class).
It's obvious already we are still short on at the minimum a "Charlie Austin" type and a quality RB (Bacuna really is not a RB) .
I don't think it would be unreasonable to expect a net spend of +£25m and in that respect I say get Austin and a proper RB plus lescott ASAP.

Quality doesn't always correlate to what you pay. There's loads of example of that. Astute buying is way more important as Swansea have proved. Don't you think there is a reason why no team has lashed out £15m on Austin. If it was that easy he'd be in the PL already. I'm not denying at all that we need some additions but it has nothing to do with what we will pay for them. It's whether they bring value and can they make an impact quickly as Traore showed he can today for a fraction of what we could have paid for Townsend as an example.

Traore cost £8m didn't he though with a barca fail safe buy back clause (no issue with me ) he wasn't exactly cheap

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 22, 2015, 07:27:30 PM

Yes my point being that he's better value at £8m than Townsend would be at £12m but buying the latter satisfies your net spend criteria.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 22, 2015, 07:30:37 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 22, 2015, 07:27:30 PM

Yes my point being that he's better value at £8m than Townsend would be at £12m but buying the latter satisfies your net spend criteria.

Absolutely nowhere have I said sign overpriced players.
I'm assessing where we are currently (net £0) looking at the squad quality and saying we are still very short in at least 3 key areas maybe 4.
To address that is £25-30m which is not an unreasonable ask IMHO .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 22, 2015, 07:35:31 PM

Quote from: paul_e on August 22, 2015, 02:09:28 PM

For me the other thing is that it's difficult for a club with our wage bill and recent finishes to spend £70m, we can do what we've done and reach a point where our wage bill can't (by ffp restrictions) have anything more added to it without removing wages through sales. 

Surely we can terminate Gabby's contract? His recent performances must be close to being classed as gross misconduct?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Adam B on August 22, 2015, 07:51:37 PM

With the exception of Grealish, we're still looking pretty lost for ideas in midfield. Might be worth a punt on Michu for a bit of creativity?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 22, 2015, 07:56:33 PM

Quote from: Adam B on August 22, 2015, 07:51:37 PM

With the exception of Grealish, we're still looking pretty lost for ideas in midfield. Might be worth a punt on Michu for a bit of creativity?

Gil will be back soon.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy65 on August 22, 2015, 08:04:48 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 22, 2015, 07:56:33 PM

Quote from: Adam B on August 22, 2015, 07:51:37 PM

With the exception of Grealish, we're still looking pretty lost for ideas in midfield. Might be worth a punt on Michu for a bit of creativity?

Gil will be back soon.

If Tim wants to play him

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on August 22, 2015, 08:20:41 PM

Quote from: Adam B on August 22, 2015, 07:51:37 PM

With the exception of Grealish, we're still looking pretty lost for ideas in midfield. Might be worth a punt on Michu for a bit of creativity?

I don't think so. I'd imagine he's a spent force. Mind you... it hasn't stopped us in the past... (yes Emile... I'm talking about you)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 22, 2015, 08:28:21 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 22, 2015, 06:53:51 PM

Quote from: villabear on August 22, 2015, 06:51:41 PM

Desperately need a goal scorer.  Charlie Austin for me.

He scored another 2 today.
Really is a no brainer.

I'm saying nothing.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 22, 2015, 08:54:42 PM

Quote from: LeeB on August 22, 2015, 08:28:21 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 22, 2015, 06:53:51 PM

Quote from: villabear on August 22, 2015, 06:51:41 PM

Desperately need a goal scorer.  Charlie Austin for me.

He scored another 2 today.
Really is a no brainer.

I'm saying nothing.

Fifteen million is so quick to say. 70 thousand a week too.
Mon opoly

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on August 22, 2015, 08:56:42 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 22, 2015, 06:53:51 PM

Quote from: villabear on August 22, 2015, 06:51:41 PM

Desperately need a goal scorer.  Charlie Austin for me.

He scored another 2 today.
Really is a no brainer.

Yes so therefore easy for you to say so!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 22, 2015, 09:33:12 PM

I saw both the need for Lescott and the due need for a mobile, strong goalscoring centre forward. I would play Ayew there in the cup and see if he can get a goal, but Austin just looks such an obvious fit for our current need.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on August 22, 2015, 09:39:13 PM

I wonder why we bought Ayew. And what's wrong with Kozak? He scores goals from slim pickings. That's what our forwards are getting at the moment.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 22, 2015, 09:57:38 PM

Clark was outmuscled for the goal and the last goal was doiwn to error and actual attempt to win the match. Gung ho - this is encouraged by Sherwood so he's partly responsible to attack teams. There cud have been brads delaying tactics or amavi nous to hoof it but by playing a new way it cost points.

I actually think few past season Sunderland match has been a make or break match which has  usually occurred far later in season. But also a test passed with flying colours and goals. I see no reason why a beating and goals can't happen against a very weak Sunderland side. Haven't lost to wonderland since Jan 2011 8 games against them undefeated ! Gabby scored 5 goals in those 8 games . once in the 6-1 win , twice the winning goal in 1-0 wins and scored twice last time against them so he'll be up for it. I imagine they can't handle his pace and guile. So there are reasons to be positive if traore cadded in too then a win on cards. Sunderland arentvany better than last season .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 22, 2015, 10:09:13 PM

Quote from: KRS on August 22, 2015, 07:04:12 PM

Gestede - limited ability with the ball at his feet and needs quality crosses to score with his head (which we don't have).
Ayew - question marks over ability and confidence (too early to judge).
Gabby - no ability or brain.
Kozak - doesn't appear to be in TS plans.

...it is as clear as day that we need a goal scorer.

I think goalscorer is a bad description but otherwise agree.  We created very little today despite having loads of the ball so a 'fox in the box' is unlikely to have made much difference.  I have no idea who that player might be.   

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Monty on August 22, 2015, 10:16:50 PM

We need a striker who can move, kick the ball to a team-mate and kick the ball into the goal. Not a particularly magical formula. I'm not sure Charlie Austin moves much, nor do I recall him kicking the ball to team-mates all that well, but he did kick the ball into the goal - and the strikers we currently have seem to only be able to do one out of three themselves, so I don't know what the answer is at the moment.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 22, 2015, 10:20:36 PM

We need to be more ruthless, the following are not good enough at this level -
Westwood , Clark, Bacuna , Gabby

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 22, 2015, 10:23:23 PM

If we get a forward who can move and is intelligent to move into spaces it will be amazing how much better our midfielders will become. There's only so much our midfield can do when working with statues.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: rob_bridge on August 22, 2015, 10:29:44 PM

Maybe Altidore could do a job

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 22, 2015, 10:31:42 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 22, 2015, 10:23:23 PM

If we get a forward who can move and is intelligent to move into spaces it will be amazing how much better our midfielders will become. There's only so much our midfield can do when working with statues.

Today's game demonstrated that, Grealish seemed to have/find/create loads of time for himself, pulling in defenders, but rarely did one of our strikers make runs for him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 22, 2015, 10:36:12 PM

Last Friday I watch the movement of Yanited players. They are on move all the time anticipating phase II . Our players simply don't do that.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on August 22, 2015, 10:38:18 PM

Quote from: rob_bridge on August 22, 2015, 10:29:44 PM

Maybe Altidore could do a job

Steward?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 22, 2015, 10:48:15 PM

Westwood is a good player.

I'd be getting shot of Guzan long before Westwood.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 22, 2015, 10:52:24 PM

Looking back at the opening post on this thread and after today, wish we'd bought the fucker!!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 22, 2015, 11:52:34 PM

Sakho actually looked pretty average until the inevitable goal, which was just gifted. Guzan should have gone long when they were so high to press where they did. I was more pissed about the Clark weakness against Dann for their first, to get that good a contact from that far out is criminal, but the play leading up to their corner was awful too.

Another thing did cross my mind today. We have a player who is quite good in front of goal, quick, makes good runs and is actually decent with his head. He is just pegged as a left winger. I would bet Sinclair would make a decent fist of it through the middle though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on August 23, 2015, 12:00:19 AM

Quote from: rob_bridge on August 22, 2015, 10:29:44 PM

Maybe Altidore could do a job

In goal?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on August 23, 2015, 12:02:15 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 22, 2015, 10:36:12 PM

Last Friday I watch the movement of Yanited players. They are on move all the time anticipating phase II . Our players simply don't do that.

Yes they are brilliant.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on August 23, 2015, 02:37:01 AM

Sorry, but I just don't believe Austin will provide the impact that people are suggesting, at least enough to justify the 15 million and 60k+ a week in wages he'd cost. Maybe he can be better than our current options, but it'll still take time for him to adjust to the team, and plus, like Darren Bent, he needs people to get him the ball in dangerous situations for him to be able to score goals. That's the far bigger problem - right now, he'd come in and stand around and be unable to do anything threatening just like Gestede and Ayew both have. If we're buying a forward, he needs to be someone who can pull something out of his arse (which Austin won't do, even though people here seem to think he'll automatically score goals just by turning up) or who can create something for one of our other attackers.

If we figure out a way to create more chances, our existing striking options will look much more the part.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Risso on August 23, 2015, 08:08:39 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 22, 2015, 10:20:36 PM

We need to be more ruthless, the following are not good enough at this level -
Westwood , Clark, Bacuna , Gabby

As far as the club goes, "ruthless" means give them all a 4 or 5 year new contract.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 23, 2015, 08:12:38 AM

Quote from: Risso on August 23, 2015, 08:08:39 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 22, 2015, 10:20:36 PM

We need to be more ruthless, the following are not good enough at this level -
Westwood , Clark, Bacuna , Gabby

As far as the club goes, "ruthless" means give them all a 4 or 5 year new contract.

Would we miss any of them if they weren't here

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on August 23, 2015, 08:19:34 AM

Right I'll keep this brief. I'd like:

Lescott
A new keeper
Charlie  Austin

Please.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: oldtimernow on August 23, 2015, 08:22:30 AM

Quote from: Des Little on August 23, 2015, 08:19:34 AM

Right I'll keep this brief. I'd like:

Lescott
A new keeper
Charlie  Austin

Please.

smacks as a MON type of plan  ...aged or plain expensive signings with not great talent

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 23, 2015, 08:37:28 AM

Bakary sakho would have been great for villa and on a free!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 23, 2015, 08:39:11 AM

Quote from: Risso on August 23, 2015, 08:08:39 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 22, 2015, 10:20:36 PM

We need to be more ruthless, the following are not good enough at this level -
Westwood , Clark, Bacuna , Gabby

As far as the club goes, "ruthless" means give them all a 4 or 5 year new contract.

Don't know weather to laugh or cry

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on August 23, 2015, 08:42:22 AM

We've got a raft of young players who, despite their obvious talent, are clearly inexperienced at this level right now. A couple of players who know this league are vital if we are to help them navigate what is going to be a roller coaster season. We should have shut that game down yesterday, however inexperience cost us a point. The spine of the team still isn't strong enough as it stands in my opinion.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 23, 2015, 09:13:58 AM

I agree Des. Bringing in Lescott might address some of that but I think we could have done with a Cambiasso type for the centre of the park too, and heaven help us, Adebayor up top.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 23, 2015, 09:42:05 AM

Quote from: oldtimernow on August 23, 2015, 08:22:30 AM

Quote from: Des Little on August 23, 2015, 08:19:34 AM

Right I'll keep this brief. I'd like:

Lescott
A new keeper
Charlie  Austin

Please.

smacks as a MON type of plan  ...aged or plain expensive signings with not great talent

To be honest, a few of that ilk might not be a bad thing at this point, as we've got a lot of young, potentially exciting talent to supplement. Which of course the balance MON never quite managed.

Lets face it, Austin might not be the greatest player but he'll quite easily outscore anyone we have at the club right now. By a country mile. You only need a half decent ball in. He's exceptionally good at finishing chances and taking them very quickly. He barely did anything against us in 2 games last season aside from scoring 3 very well taken goals. But I will take that. Also if you look at how Gabby reacts off Gestedes hold up and flick ons, it's pathetic. He's got no instinct at all. Austin would have a field day.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: richard moore on August 23, 2015, 09:54:31 AM

Quote from: oldtimernow on August 23, 2015, 08:22:30 AM

Quote from: Des Little on August 23, 2015, 08:19:34 AM

Right I'll keep this brief. I'd like:

Lescott
A new keeper
Charlie  Austin

Please.

smacks as a MON type of plan  ...aged or plain expensive signings with not great talent

That it might, but without a striker we will be bottom 6 all season, of that I am convinced

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on August 23, 2015, 09:56:30 AM

Quote from: supertom on August 23, 2015, 09:42:05 AM

Quote from: oldtimernow on August 23, 2015, 08:22:30 AM

Quote from: Des Little on August 23, 2015, 08:19:34 AM

Right I'll keep this brief. I'd like:

Lescott
A new keeper


Charlie  Austin

Please.

smacks as a MON type of plan  ...aged or plain expensive signings with not great talent

To be honest, a few of that ilk might not be a bad thing at this point, as we've got a lot of young, potentially exciting talent to supplement. Which of course the balance MON never quite managed.

Lets face it, Austin might not be the greatest player but he'll quite easily outscore anyone we have at the club right now. By a country mile. You only need a half decent ball in. He's exceptionally good at finishing chances and taking them very quickly. He barely did anything against us in 2 games last season aside from scoring 3 very well taken goals. But I will take that. Also if you look at how Gabby reacts off Gestedes hold up and flick ons, it's pathetic. He's got no instinct at all. Austin would have a field day.

I completely agree Des. It's painfully obvious that Austin is the answer. I like Rudy, but he won't get you 15-20 in The Premiership.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on August 23, 2015, 09:58:14 AM

Quote from: Des Little on August 23, 2015, 08:19:34 AM

Right I'll keep this brief. I'd like:

Lescott
A new keeper
Charlie  Austin

Please.

You could have made it briefer by saying a keeper rather than a new keeper.
I would welcome Lescott at Villa Park .... with a scarf around his neck standing in the Holte End.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 23, 2015, 10:05:34 AM

Would love to know why Tim don't rate Kozak ?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 23, 2015, 10:16:35 AM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 23, 2015, 10:05:34 AM

Would love to know why Tim don't rate Kozak ?

Conceivably Kozak could offer something similar to Austin. He's an instinctive finisher. I'm hoping Libor gets a chance in the cup game and scores a couple just to put him back in contention.
I just think perhaps Sherwoods a little old school. He things a big man should be a target man and Libor isn't really that.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 23, 2015, 10:31:02 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 22, 2015, 06:34:33 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 22, 2015, 01:40:11 PM

And that is an entirely different discussion than to keep banging on about net spend. It's about correctly investing in improving the squad and based on need it should vary year to year. What we need to get away from is what we did this summer and make wholesale changes and get to a point where we are incrementally adding to improve. That inevitably should mean some players go and others come in who are better. But what will be critical is we just don't spend to satisfy some artificial number, that we get the best deal possible for players we sell and those we buy.

Do I really have to explain this again. Spend is important. If we buy 10 average players or 7 better ones or even say 5 really good ones with £40m it's an important differential.
So far we are at more or less net £0.
We still lack proven quality, you could argue £8m on Ayew was not wise when another £5m gets you Austin who is proven . Etc etc .

Of course spend is important. Bringing in the right player is even more important.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 23, 2015, 10:32:11 AM

Kodak should probably go on loan for a season and get match fit and his confidence back.  Just thinking back to how long it took Delph and Ramsey recover from their injuries and fear that Kozak would be written off well before he returns to his peak (whatever that is).  Both he and Gardner should go to Forrest (or even better a club where we want to buy some of their youngsters).

Once those wages are removed I hope we can buy a new striker or get Adebayor on loan for the remainder of his spurs contract.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on August 23, 2015, 10:45:46 AM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 23, 2015, 10:05:34 AM

Would love to know why Tim don't rate Kozak ?

I'll admit not to rating Kozak.

His first touch is poor and his finishing isn't consistent enough. He really does remind me of Tony Cascarino.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 23, 2015, 10:46:00 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 23, 2015, 10:32:11 AM

Kodak should probably go on loan for a season and get match fit and his confidence back. 

That's a little bit negative.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 23, 2015, 10:51:20 AM

Quote from: Clampy on August 23, 2015, 10:46:00 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 23, 2015, 10:32:11 AM

Kodak should probably go on loan for a season and get match fit and his confidence back. 

That's a little bit negative.

Not sure what you mean, but the comment is not a reflection on Kozak at all, just that if any player has been out for yonks then they'll need to get their groove back.  The nature of both the premier league, our team and the fact he was unproven anyway makes me think that the errors associated with that growing period would be better served away from the first team.  Plus it'll free up some wages.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 23, 2015, 10:52:20 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 23, 2015, 10:51:20 AM

Quote from: Clampy on August 23, 2015, 10:46:00 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 23, 2015, 10:32:11 AM

Kodak should probably go on loan for a season and get match fit and his confidence back. 

That's a little bit negative.

Not sure what you mean, but the comment is not a reflection on Kozak at all, just that if any player has been out for yonks then they'll need to get their groove back.  The nature of both the premier league, our team and the fact he was unproven anyway makes me think that the errors associated with that growing period would be better served away from the first team.  Plus it'll free up some wages.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 23, 2015, 10:52:59 AM

Quote from: oldtimernow on August 23, 2015, 08:22:30 AM

Quote from: Des Little on August 23, 2015, 08:19:34 AM

Right I'll keep this brief. I'd like:

Lescott
A new keeper
Charlie  Austin

Please.

smacks as a MON type of plan  ...aged or plain expensive signings with not great talent

MON traded solely in that market though.  There has to be a balance with the other players we have brought in though and I think those two would give that. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 23, 2015, 10:53:16 AM

Quote from: Clampy on August 23, 2015, 10:46:00 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 23, 2015, 10:32:11 AM

Kodak should probably go on loan for a season and get match fit and his confidence back. 

That's a little bit negative.

Let's see how he develops.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on August 23, 2015, 10:54:59 AM

Quote from: Holte L2 on August 23, 2015, 09:56:30 AM

Quote from: supertom on August 23, 2015, 09:42:05 AM

Quote from: oldtimernow on August 23, 2015, 08:22:30 AM

Quote from: Des Little on August 23, 2015, 08:19:34 AM

Right I'll keep this brief. I'd like:

Lescott
A new keeper


Charlie  Austin

Please.

smacks as a MON type of plan  ...aged or plain expensive signings with not great talent

To be honest, a few of that ilk might not be a bad thing at this point, as we've got a lot of young, potentially exciting talent to supplement. Which of course the balance MON never quite managed.

Lets face it, Austin might not be the greatest player but he'll quite easily outscore anyone we have at the club right now. By a country mile. You only need a half decent ball in. He's exceptionally good at finishing chances and taking them very quickly. He barely did anything against us in 2 games last season aside from scoring 3 very well taken goals. But I will take that. Also if you look at how Gabby reacts off Gestedes hold up and flick ons, it's pathetic. He's got no instinct at all. Austin would have a field day.

For that to work we'd have to play 4-4-2, and we don't have the personnel to play that. Sure, if we play that system with him and Rudy up top, he'll score 15 goals, but it would involve starting things over again, not to mention the cost.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 23, 2015, 10:56:36 AM

Quote from: Lastfootstamper on August 23, 2015, 10:53:16 AM

Quote from: Clampy on August 23, 2015, 10:46:00 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 23, 2015, 10:32:11 AM

Kodak should probably go on loan for a season and get match fit and his confidence back. 

That's a little bit negative.

Let's see how he develops.

If we another punathon I'm going for a lie down in a dark room.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 23, 2015, 10:57:39 AM

Quote from: Dave on August 23, 2015, 10:52:20 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 23, 2015, 10:51:20 AM

Quote from: Clampy on August 23, 2015, 10:46:00 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 23, 2015, 10:32:11 AM

Kodak should probably go on loan for a season and get match fit and his confidence back. 

Oh fuck, what did I do!  Time to leave the house.

That's a little bit negative.

Not sure what you mean, but the comment is not a reflection on Kozak at all, just that if any player has been out for yonks then they'll need to get their groove back.  The nature of both the premier league, our team and the fact he was unproven anyway makes me think that the errors associated with that growing period would be better served away from the first team.  Plus it'll free up some wages.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on August 23, 2015, 11:02:17 AM

Quote from: Lastfootstamper on August 23, 2015, 10:53:16 AM

Quote from: Clampy on August 23, 2015, 10:46:00 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 23, 2015, 10:32:11 AM

Kodak should probably go on loan for a season and get match fit and his confidence back. 

That's a little bit negative.

Let's see how he develops.

I hope we'll be able to make a black-and-white decision on him soon in the future.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on August 23, 2015, 11:05:14 AM

Quote from: passitsideways on August 23, 2015, 11:02:17 AM

Quote from: Lastfootstamper on August 23, 2015, 10:53:16 AM

Quote from: Clampy on August 23, 2015, 10:46:00 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 23, 2015, 10:32:11 AM

Kodak should probably go on loan for a season and get match fit and his confidence back. 

That's a little bit negative.

Let's see how he develops.

I hope we'll be able to make a black-and-white decision on him soon in the future.

Going out on loan would definitely give him maximum exposure.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 23, 2015, 11:35:58 AM

Quote from: passitsideways on August 23, 2015, 10:54:59 AM

Quote from: Holte L2 on August 23, 2015, 09:56:30 AM

Quote from: supertom on August 23, 2015, 09:42:05 AM

Quote from: oldtimernow on August 23, 2015, 08:22:30 AM

Quote from: Des Little on August 23, 2015, 08:19:34 AM

Right I'll keep this brief. I'd like:

Lescott
A new keeper


Charlie  Austin

Please.

smacks as a MON type of plan  ...aged or plain expensive signings with not great talent

To be honest, a few of that ilk might not be a bad thing at this point, as we've got a lot of young, potentially exciting talent to supplement. Which of course the balance MON never quite managed.

Lets face it, Austin might not be the greatest player but he'll quite easily outscore anyone we have at the club right now. By a country mile. You only need a half decent ball in. He's exceptionally good at finishing chances and taking them very quickly. He barely did anything against us in 2 games last season aside from scoring 3 very well taken goals. But I will take that. Also if you look at how Gabby reacts off Gestedes hold up and flick ons, it's pathetic. He's got no instinct at all. Austin would have a field day.

For that to work we'd have to play 4-4-2, and we don't have the personnel to play that. Sure, if we play that system with him and Rudy up top, he'll score 15 goals, but it would involve starting things over again, not to mention the cost.

We could still potentially play a 4-3-1-2 which is what we appeared to yesterday. Gabby was essentially supposed to be playing off of Rudy.

I think Austin could probably play up top with two speedsters either side too and he could also playing on his own with Grealish behind. I don't think Austin is limited to just playing up top with a big man. As long as you give him the service he'll get goals.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: in exile on August 23, 2015, 12:09:02 PM

Quote from: curiousorange on August 23, 2015, 11:05:14 AM

Quote from: passitsideways on August 23, 2015, 11:02:17 AM

Quote from: Lastfootstamper on August 23, 2015, 10:53:16 AM

Quote from: Clampy on August 23, 2015, 10:46:00 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 23, 2015, 10:32:11 AM

Kodak should probably go on loan for a season and get match fit and his confidence back. 

That's a little bit negative.

Let's see how he develops.

I hope we'll be able to make a black-and-white decision on him soon in the future.

Going out on loan would definitely give him maximum exposure.

No one would take him, he's too flash

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: CJ on August 23, 2015, 12:11:36 PM

Quote from: curiousorange on August 23, 2015, 11:05:14 AM

Quote from: passitsideways on August 23, 2015, 11:02:17 AM

Quote from: Lastfootstamper on August 23, 2015, 10:53:16 AM

Quote from: Clampy on August 23, 2015, 10:46:00 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 23, 2015, 10:32:11 AM

Kodak should probably go on loan for a season and get match fit and his confidence back. 

That's a little bit negative.

Let's see how he develops.

I hope we'll be able to make a black-and-white decision on him soon in the future.

Going out on loan would definitely give him maximum exposure.

It certainly lens itself to a bit more depth in field to the squad

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on August 23, 2015, 02:03:30 PM

Quote from: oldtimernow on August 23, 2015, 08:22:30 AM

Quote from: Des Little on August 23, 2015, 08:19:34 AM

Right I'll keep this brief. I'd like:

Lescott
A new keeper
Charlie  Austin

Please.

smacks as a MON type of plan  ...aged or plain expensive signings with not great talent

Agreed, we don't have the midfield capable of playing with two up top so pointless getting in Austin. Are people forgetting that we spent 20m on Gestede and Ayew already this summer, are we already giving up on both of them?
Lescott is no better than Clark imo either. To be fair Sherwood's doubts re Guzan are proving justified already. He spreads panic in the back four when the ball is at his feet. Don't think his shot stopping ability is all that either, both goals yesterday could have been saved imo with better positioning from Guzan. Dann's header was very central

What we need is to play a formation that gets the most out of our players, that should be 4231. We need to get pacy players around Gestede so would go with Traore and Sinclair from the start against Sunderland

----------------Guzan
Hutton, Richards, Clark Amavi
 -------Sanchez, Westie/Gueye
Traore, Grealish, Sinclair
--------------Gestede

Gil, Ayew, Veretout in reserve and to be introduced early in the front four aren't doing it. Gabby and Bacuna should be dropped from the squad after their efforts yesterday

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 23, 2015, 02:05:22 PM

Moses, Lescott and Adebayor. I think a couple of those could happen.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Monty on August 23, 2015, 02:07:55 PM

Adebayor! I'd forgotten about him. He could have made a real difference yesterday. Not sure about Lescott, but it's one I'd be willing to trust our fitness guys over - we don't want another Vlaar.

Never mind Moses, I think the mootings around him were merely as a backup in case we didn't get Traore. And anyway, he supposes his toeses are roses, which only a fucking idiot would do.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 23, 2015, 02:17:20 PM

Adebayor! He'll be in claret and blue come September1st.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 23, 2015, 02:22:50 PM

Quote from: CJ on August 23, 2015, 12:11:36 PM

Quote from: curiousorange on August 23, 2015, 11:05:14 AM

Quote from: passitsideways on August 23, 2015, 11:02:17 AM

Quote from: Lastfootstamper on August 23, 2015, 10:53:16 AM

Quote from: Clampy on August 23, 2015, 10:46:00 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 23, 2015, 10:32:11 AM

Kodak should probably go on loan for a season and get match fit and his confidence back. 

That's a little bit negative.

Let's see how he develops.

I hope we'll be able to make a black-and-white decision on him soon in the future.

Going out on loan would definitely give him maximum exposure.

It certainly lens itself to a bit more depth in field to the squad

No doubt someone will snap him up.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Fasth56 on August 23, 2015, 02:30:02 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on August 23, 2015, 02:03:30 PM

Quote from: oldtimernow on August 23, 2015, 08:22:30 AM

Quote from: Des Little on August 23, 2015, 08:19:34 AM

Right I'll keep this brief. I'd like:

Lescott
A new keeper
Charlie  Austin

Please.

smacks as a MON type of plan  ...aged or plain expensive signings with not great talent

Agreed, we don't have the midfield capable of playing with two up top so pointless getting in Austin. Are people forgetting that we spent 20m on Gestede and Ayew already this summer, are we already giving up on both of them?
Lescott is no better than Clark imo either. To be fair Sherwood's doubts re Guzan are proving justified already. He spreads panic in the back four when the ball is at his feet. Don't think his shot stopping ability is all that either, both goals yesterday could have been saved imo with better positioning from Guzan. Dann's header was very central

What we need is to play a formation that gets the most out of our players, that should be 4231. We need to get pacy players around Gestede so would go with Traore and Sinclair from the start against Sunderland

----------------Guzan
Hutton, Richards, Clark Amavi
 -------Sanchez, Westie/Gueye
Traore, Grealish, Sinclair
--------------Gestede

Gil, Ayew, Veretout in reserve and to be introduced early in the front four aren't doing it. Gabby and Bacuna should be dropped from the squad after their efforts yesterday

A cheeky loan bid for Victor Valdes anyone?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on August 23, 2015, 03:11:05 PM

Lescott is looking more likely to join Villa - not first choice again for the baggies. I think they need to wrap up the Fazio deal from Spuds first. That said, I'd still like to see Richards and Okore (when fit).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 23, 2015, 03:12:53 PM

Is he that good? Surely if he were United would simply use him to replace De Gea and let him go in exchange foot any striker Madrid offer?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on August 23, 2015, 03:17:39 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 23, 2015, 03:12:53 PM

Is he that good? Surely if he were United would simply use him to replace De Gea and let him go in exchange foot any striker Madrid offer?

Played in goal for Barcelona during their dominant best. I'd take him over Guzan.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 23, 2015, 03:20:23 PM

Rondon looks a good centre forward. Despite feeling a lot of promise in who we have brought in, I am very envious of sides that have brought in decent strikers that have  presence, pace and movement.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve R on August 23, 2015, 03:40:41 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 23, 2015, 03:20:23 PM

Rondon looks a good centre forward. Despite feeling a lot of promise in who we have brought in, I am very envious of sides that have brought in decent strikers that have  presence, pace and movement.

Was just thinking the same watching Smethwick's game. He's wasted there and has more to his game than Pulis is capable of making use of.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Surrey Villain on August 23, 2015, 03:55:50 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on August 23, 2015, 03:17:39 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 23, 2015, 03:12:53 PM

Is he that good? Surely if he were United would simply use him to replace De Gea and let him go in exchange foot any striker Madrid offer?

Played in goal for Barcelona during their dominant best. I'd take him over Guzan.

Likely to be on £100k a week plus. No chance.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Fasth56 on August 23, 2015, 04:22:09 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 23, 2015, 03:12:53 PM

Is he that good? Surely if he were United would simply use him to replace De Gea and let him go in exchange foot any striker Madrid offer?

Out of favour with Long Ball Van Gaal for refusing to play in a reserve game, they just want rid, an offer of half his wages saves them and us £2.5m per year and he's in the shop window. A commanding keeper instils all sorts of confidence in a back four.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 23, 2015, 04:26:36 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on August 23, 2015, 03:17:39 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 23, 2015, 03:12:53 PM

Is he that good? Surely if he were United would simply use him to replace De Gea and let him go in exchange foot any striker Madrid offer?

Played in goal for Barcelona during their dominant best. I'd take him over Guzan.

His distribution is probably better than most players in the England squad.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 23, 2015, 04:28:29 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 23, 2015, 02:17:20 PM

Adebayor! He'll be in claret and blue come September1st.

I think it could happen late on final day.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 23, 2015, 04:31:24 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 23, 2015, 04:28:29 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 23, 2015, 02:17:20 PM

Adebayor! He'll be in claret and blue come September1st.

I think it could happen late on final day.

I do aswell.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Gareth on August 23, 2015, 05:17:52 PM

For me the priorities are centre half & striker.

The obsession that there is a footballer in Gabby is surely coming to an end, we've had Carew, Heskey & Benteke up top, all capable of winning a ball in the air but can hardly remember a goal Gabby has scored running onto a flick on.  Gestede has that presence so Sherwood has to surround him with players who make runs and anticipate where the ball is going.  With Gabby in the side we are easy to defend against unless you are unlucky enough to be on the receiving end of one of his four 'unplayable' games each season.

Centre back worries me as much, need four good centre halves and whilst I have time for both Clark & Baker they shouldn't both be in that four.  Richards is still an experiment, early signs good but would be happier if he had a solid, commanding player alongside with Okore & Clark making up the four & ready to take a shirt and keep it if Richards or AN Other get injured / lose form.

Austin & Lescott are options....I'm not 100% on Lescott, are his best days long gone? I don't want another make do squad filler, want a centre back who fills me with confidence. 

Austin's record is excellent but if we are going there do it soon as it needs proper due diligence on a medical not a last day panic buy with a doc getting him to say 'ahh' and declaring him fit.

Generally I think this window has been good, much needed evolution, would be nice to think by Sept 2nd we'll have another couple in & January can be quiet not a mad panic to find stop gaps to keep us up.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 23, 2015, 05:19:01 PM

I hope so.  I was happy enough to have before we started the season
Watching us pay I have changed to thinking we actually need him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: richard moore on August 23, 2015, 05:27:58 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 23, 2015, 05:19:01 PM

I hope so.  I was happy enough to have before we started the season
Watching us pay I have changed to thinking we actually need him.

I agree, get his mind right and he is just what we need.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on August 23, 2015, 05:35:53 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 23, 2015, 10:56:36 AM

Quote from: Lastfootstamper on August 23, 2015, 10:53:16 AM

Quote from: Clampy on August 23, 2015, 10:46:00 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 23, 2015, 10:32:11 AM

Kodak should probably go on loan for a season and get match fit and his confidence back. 

That's a little bit negative.

Let's see how he develops.

If we another punathon I'm going for a lie down in a dark room.

He'll click with time - he needs more exposure.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Louzie0 on August 23, 2015, 06:04:15 PM

Quote from: Mister E on August 23, 2015, 05:35:53 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 23, 2015, 10:56:36 AM

Quote from: Lastfootstamper on August 23, 2015, 10:53:16 AM

Quote from: Clampy on August 23, 2015, 10:46:00 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 23, 2015, 10:32:11 AM

Kodak should probably go on loan for a season and get match fit and his confidence back. 

That's a little bit negative.

Let's see how he develops.

If we another punathon I'm going for a lie down in a dark room.

He'll click with time - he needs more exposure.

To be more than just a flash in the pan

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ez on August 23, 2015, 06:09:47 PM

How about Gabby and cash for Austin? Got to be worth a punt.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on August 23, 2015, 06:26:17 PM

Quote from: ez on August 23, 2015, 06:09:47 PM

How about Gabby and cash for Austin? Got to be worth a punt.

Unfortunately I think Gabby's here for a while yet.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on August 23, 2015, 06:39:09 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on August 23, 2015, 06:26:17 PM

Quote from: ez on August 23, 2015, 06:09:47 PM

How about Gabby and cash for Austin? Got to be worth a punt.

Unfortunately I think Gabby's here for a while yet.

A long long while!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 23, 2015, 06:59:11 PM

Not entirely convinced by all this talk of Lescott...theres a reason why he can't get in the Baggies team ahead of Olsson, McAuley, Chester and Dawson. Experience counts, but if he can't get game time at Baggies then is he really good enough for us?

Still not convinced that Austin is the right fit for us, even though his goalscoring record is not to be sniffed at. I'd prefer someone more mobile, versatile, skilful and the ability to create something from nothing.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ian. on August 23, 2015, 07:03:14 PM

Quote from: Louzie0Tim on August 23, 2015, 06:04:15 PM

Quote from: Mister E on August 23, 2015, 05:35:53 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 23, 2015, 10:56:36 AM

Quote from: Lastfootstamper on August 23, 2015, 10:53:16 AM

Quote from: Clampy on August 23, 2015, 10:46:00 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 23, 2015, 10:32:11 AM

Kodak should probably go on loan for a season and get match fit and his confidence back. 

That's a little bit negative.

Let's see how he develops.

If we another punathon I'm going for a lie down in a dark room.

He'll click with time - he needs more exposure.

To be more than just a flash in the pan

He will score if given a chance, I can picture it now.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 23, 2015, 07:09:02 PM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 23, 2015, 04:31:24 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 23, 2015, 04:28:29 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 23, 2015, 02:17:20 PM

Adebayor! He'll be in claret and blue come September1st.

I think it could happen late on final day.

I do aswell.

He's going to west ham 😄

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 23, 2015, 10:33:43 PM

What about loans, we still have 2. Maybe Remy from Chelsea on loan for the season. Or even Ings from Liverpool?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OzVilla on August 23, 2015, 10:42:43 PM

Quote from: Louzie0Tim on August 23, 2015, 06:04:15 PM

Quote from: Mister E on August 23, 2015, 05:35:53 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 23, 2015, 10:56:36 AM

Quote from: Lastfootstamper on August 23, 2015, 10:53:16 AM

Quote from: Clampy on August 23, 2015, 10:46:00 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 23, 2015, 10:32:11 AM

Kodak should probably go on loan for a season and get match fit and his confidence back. 

That's a little bit negative.

Let's see how he develops.

If we another punathon I'm going for a lie down in a dark room.

He'll click with time - he needs more exposure.

To be more than just a flash in the pan

Good idea, he could could then be in the frame.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 23, 2015, 10:52:13 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 23, 2015, 10:33:43 PM

What about loans, we still have 2. Maybe Remy from Chelsea on loan for the season. Or even Ings from Liverpool?

A player like Remy would be ideal. He's scored whenever given the opportunity. Would love for him to sign permanently with us. But that's the type of player we need.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 23, 2015, 11:35:18 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 23, 2015, 10:52:13 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 23, 2015, 10:33:43 PM

What about loans, we still have 2. Maybe Remy from Chelsea on loan for the season. Or even Ings from Liverpool?

A player like Remy would be ideal. He's scored whenever given the opportunity. Would love for him to sign permanently with us. But that's the type of player we need.

It's a very good shout.  Regardless we should look to exploit the loan market before the window closes.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 23, 2015, 11:35:25 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 23, 2015, 10:33:43 PM

What about loans, we still have 2. Maybe Remy from Chelsea on loan for the season. Or even Ings from Liverpool?

I can't see Liverpool loaning out Ings ten minutes after they've signed him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: adrenachrome on August 23, 2015, 11:39:31 PM

Quote from: OzVilla on August 23, 2015, 10:42:43 PM

Quote from: Louzie0Tim on August 23, 2015, 06:04:15 PM

Quote from: Mister E on August 23, 2015, 05:35:53 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 23, 2015, 10:56:36 AM

Quote from: Lastfootstamper on August 23, 2015, 10:53:16 AM

Quote from: Clampy on August 23, 2015, 10:46:00 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 23, 2015, 10:32:11 AM

Kodak should probably go on loan for a season and get match fit and his confidence back. 

That's a little bit negative.

Let's see how he develops.

If we another punathon I'm going for a lie down in a dark room.

He'll click with time - he needs more exposure.

To be more than just a flash in the pan

Good idea, he could could then be in the frame.

This thread is giving me hot flashes, and I think we need to refocus.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 23, 2015, 11:41:17 PM

Papiss cisse or moses  as good as Austin up front. I wouldn't mind seeing Sinclair up top that would be good. A mixture of 3-1-4-1-1 or 3-2-3-2
Just examples
Clark lescott Richards 
Sanchez
Bacuna gueye veretout amavi
Grealish
Gestede

Clark lescot Richards
Sanchez gueye
Traore grealish ayew
Sinclair gestede

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 23, 2015, 11:46:19 PM

Quote from: adrenachrome on August 23, 2015, 11:39:31 PM

Quote from: OzVilla on August 23, 2015, 10:42:43 PM

Quote from: Louzie0Tim on August 23, 2015, 06:04:15 PM

Quote from: Mister E on August 23, 2015, 05:35:53 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 23, 2015, 10:56:36 AM

Quote from: Lastfootstamper on August 23, 2015, 10:53:16 AM

Quote from: Clampy on August 23, 2015, 10:46:00 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 23, 2015, 10:32:11 AM

Kodak should probably go on loan for a season and get match fit and his confidence back. 

That's a little bit negative.

Let's see how he develops.

If we another punathon I'm going for a lie down in a dark room.

He'll click with time - he needs more exposure.

To be more than just a flash in the pan

Good idea, he could could then be in the frame.

This thread is giving me hot flashes, and I think we need to refocus.

He's good at snapshots

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 23, 2015, 11:46:41 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 23, 2015, 11:35:18 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 23, 2015, 10:52:13 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 23, 2015, 10:33:43 PM

What about loans, we still have 2. Maybe Remy from Chelsea on loan for the season. Or even Ings from Liverpool?

A player like Remy would be ideal. He's scored whenever given the opportunity. Would love for him to sign permanently with us. But that's the type of player we need.

It's a very good shout.  Regardless we should look to exploit the loan market before the window closes.

Leica Remy would be ideal

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 23, 2015, 11:52:55 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 23, 2015, 11:35:18 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 23, 2015, 10:52:13 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 23, 2015, 10:33:43 PM

What about loans, we still have 2. Maybe Remy from Chelsea on loan for the season. Or even Ings from Liverpool?

A player like Remy would be ideal. He's scored whenever given the opportunity. Would love for him to sign permanently with us. But that's the type of player we need.

It's a very good shout.  Regardless we should look to exploit the loan market before the window closes.

Remy is a good call...as would Shane Long as someone mentioned the other day.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 23, 2015, 11:56:33 PM

Growing talk from Forest fans about Kozak going there on a season long loan. If that happens I would be pretty confident that we are close to getting a forward.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 23, 2015, 11:59:29 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 23, 2015, 11:56:33 PM

Growing talk from Forest fans about Kozak going there on a season long loan. If that happens I would be pretty confident that we are close to getting a forward.

To be honest mate and no disrespect to Forest, but I think his prior record (came from Lazio, Czech international) would mean he could get a better move than the Championship if he is to go out on loan. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 24, 2015, 12:17:42 AM

I'm not sure a poem team would take him and, from villa's perspective, we want him to get used to english football.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: adrenachrome on August 24, 2015, 12:23:49 AM

Here are direct quotes from TS in a recent article in the local rag.

Quote

“We will add, if there’s any money and if we can find someone who is better,” said Sherwood.

“We maybe need to generate some money, though.

“I think we’ve done well. The chairman has backed us and has given us an opportunity to build a squad for the future so we’ll see.”

“We can negotiate trying to get players out,” Sherwood added.

“But it’s a case of anyone wanting them, they can knock on our door, we can decide whether they are the right ones to leave.

“It’s out of our hands on the ones going out. The ones coming in, we’re just looking about to see if anyone becomes available.

“The players know who they are, that’s the most important thing.

“It comes to the end for all of us. When I was a player, I knew when my time was up.

“You need to go and find a new club and get the best out of your career somewhere else. There’s no point sitting around and not playing.”

“If someone wants to take one of these players who are not going to play on a regular basis then I would have to decide whether it would be right for the club to let them go.”

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on August 24, 2015, 07:15:07 AM

Quote from: adrenachrome on August 24, 2015, 12:23:49 AM

Here are direct quotes from TS in a recent article in the local rag.

Quote

“We will add, if there’s any money and if we can find someone who is better,” said Sherwood.

“We maybe need to generate some money, though.

“I think we’ve done well. The chairman has backed us and has given us an opportunity to build a squad for the future so we’ll see.”

“We can negotiate trying to get players out,” Sherwood added.

“But it’s a case of anyone wanting them, they can knock on our door, we can decide whether they are the right ones to leave.

“It’s out of our hands on the ones going out. The ones coming in, we’re just looking about to see if anyone becomes available.

“The players know who they are, that’s the most important thing.

“It comes to the end for all of us. When I was a player, I knew when my time was up.

“You need to go and find a new club and get the best out of your career somewhere else. There’s no point sitting around and not playing.”

“If someone wants to take one of these players who are not going to play on a regular basis then I would have to decide whether it would be right for the club to let them go.”

Sounds pretty desperate to offload the dross; reminiscent of his predecessor. It's entirely understandable, to want to get rid of those that no longer fit ... but easier said than done.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 24, 2015, 07:35:15 AM

If we need to get a few out to free up the wage bill, then that's fine and makes total sense. Let's hope it's another busy week with players going out and a couple coming in. If it doesn't happen, i'm sure we'll be ok until January although another striker would be ideal.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 24, 2015, 07:41:06 AM

it is understandable that we need to get some out. Wages wide if Senderos,Richardson, Nzogbia and maybe Bennett went this week you would think it must be near on 120k in wages freed up. Just enough for a Lescott and half an Adebayor.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 24, 2015, 08:10:10 AM

Looking at the window so far, I'm holding onto the hope that Sherwood seems to be a much shrewder operator than Lambert and therefore will hopefully more success in shifting the unwanted squad-members.

If Kozak does go on loan it will leave us with 26 senior pros, so we'll need to shift at least 2 more, just to get one in. It's looking as though the likes of N'Zogbia and Senderos are content to sit-tight for another season, so we may have to be creative in looking to loan-out the likes of Baker, Gardner and Bennett.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ROBBO on August 24, 2015, 08:24:15 AM

At least he has told the players he doesn't want them and they will not be in the team. I saw Delph come on with a few minutes to go and the game well won, that's his future now bench warmer, even if they win the premiership he will play very little part. Pratt.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 24, 2015, 08:40:43 AM

With regard to Austin, even though it's only Gobshite Sullivan that's actually said anything, I would imagine that his knee is a genuine concern for all of his potential suitors. If he's not actually capable of passing a medical then a club could take the decision to sign him regardless, but then (I believe) would not be able to take out insurance on him, which is a huge risk if you're paying £10-£15 on a player.

I think that any clubs that are in for him, will be looking to do a cut-price deal in the final hours of the window.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 24, 2015, 08:47:00 AM

with respect I can't see anyway Randy is going to stump up the coin for him; even if you could snag Austin for £10m there's another 10m in wages over the course of his contract. It's not going to happen. I don't really want him here but Adebayor for £4-5m for a season is potentially better business

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 24, 2015, 08:48:17 AM

Quote from: RussellC on August 24, 2015, 08:40:43 AM

With regard to Austin, even though it's only Gobshite Sullivan that's actually said anything, I would imagine that his knee is a genuine concern for all of his potential suitors. If he's not actually capable of passing a medical then a club could take the decision to sign him regardless, but then (I believe) would not be able to take out insurance on him, which is a huge risk if you're paying £10-£15 on a player.

I think that any clubs that are in for him, will be looking to do a cut-price deal in the final hours of the window.

Oh I don't know. I'd go as high as twenty quid, medical insurance or not.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: oldtimernow on August 24, 2015, 08:52:58 AM

£25 bid here......must stop getting carried away on ebay

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: AV82EC on August 24, 2015, 09:00:11 AM

I just can't see the fascination with Austin, strikes me as a knee jerk reaction to our current lack of goals. That said he has scored goals in the PL with a shit team so maybe I'm doing him a disservice. Looks a meat and potatoes English player when we seem to be looking for something a bit more exotic....

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 24, 2015, 09:47:40 AM

Quote from: oldtimernow on August 24, 2015, 08:52:58 AM

£25 bid here......must stop getting carried away on ebay

£30.

Maximum bidding price of £76.27 set. Didn't he used to be a plasterer? Got a wall needs doing.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 24, 2015, 09:58:55 AM

If the Moses link has legs I wonder if he  plans to play him as a central striker. He could do well there and a bit like Richards wanting to play centre half it could swing him coming here.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 24, 2015, 10:06:17 AM

Don't think Moses has the physical presence to play as a central-striker. Whoever plays there needs to be able to play with their back to goal and offer an aerial threat.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on August 24, 2015, 10:12:31 AM

Gestede is fine as the central striker. What he needs is a Jermaine Defoe/Kevin Phillips type next to him who would react quickly to his knock downs/flick ons. Any ideas chaps?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 24, 2015, 10:15:05 AM

Quote from: Ron Manager on August 24, 2015, 10:12:31 AM

Gestede is fine as the central striker. What he needs is a Jermaine Defoe/Kevin Phillips type next to him who would react quickly to his knock downs/flick ons. Any ideas chaps?

To be honest, Charlie Austin would probably be the most employable candidate for that role too, given his success of playing off Zamora last season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 24, 2015, 10:40:07 AM

Quote from: Ron Manager on August 24, 2015, 10:12:31 AM

Gestede is fine as the central striker. What he needs is a Jermaine Defoe/Kevin Phillips type next to him who would react quickly to his knock downs/flick ons. Any ideas chaps?

I'd like to see Gestede & Ayew play up front together

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 24, 2015, 10:42:02 AM

I said this morning that it appears Randy is still being tight because I doubt we've spent more than we've brought in

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 24, 2015, 11:00:07 AM

In a summer when even Mike Ashley is spending like Fat Kid in McDonalds, and we've lost our 2 best player, I don't think Randy would be naive enough not to recognise the need to spend to improve.

I'm sure the only stumbling block now is squad-size. Randy will be loathe to sanction salaries to any player that's not going to be named in the squad, even if that's a Tonev or Senderos. I still think we'll make a fairly sizeable signing before the window closes, hence these links to an 18m Euro deal for Abdennour and a striker on loan (Adebayor, Wilson, etc)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on August 24, 2015, 12:11:54 PM

Quote from: AV82EC on August 24, 2015, 09:00:11 AM

I just can't see the fascination with Austin, strikes me as a knee jerk reaction to our current lack of goals. That said he has scored goals in the PL with a shit team so maybe I'm doing him a disservice. Looks a meat and potatoes English player when we seem to be looking for something a bit more exotic....

The fascination with Austin is that he's a goal scorer. Throughout his career at Swindon, Burnley and QPR is record is consistently good.  He's a scorer of all type of goals - inside the box, header, long range finishes.  We're severely lacking a natural goal scorer so I think he fits the bill.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cyrilina on August 24, 2015, 12:58:59 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 23, 2015, 11:35:25 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 23, 2015, 10:33:43 PM

What about loans, we still have 2. Maybe Remy from Chelsea on loan for the season. Or even Ings from Liverpool?

I can't see Liverpool loaning out Ings ten minutes after they've signed him.

They did last year with Origi

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 24, 2015, 01:14:24 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on August 24, 2015, 10:42:02 AM

I said this morning that it appears Randy is still being tight because I doubt we've spent more than we've brought in

Thing is in a summer with a huge windfall like we've just had, albeit reluctantly, with the squad turnover we've gone through (are we up to 12 out and 10 in so far?) net spend isn't really a fair measure.

Would we have done the same business if Benteke's clause was only £25 million, or we'd had to spend £0.5 - 1.0M per player more?  Then squad wise we'd be no better or worse off, but looking at a net spend of what £15M and still be approaching the point where we'd seriously be considering if we could integrate more players into the squad.

The only one I'd look at is if Amavi's got a right footed clone that's available for half sensible money.

Up front, we need to let Ayew and Gestede settle down with any combination of Grealish, Gil and Traore settling them up and Sinclair as an option either instead of Ayew or if we want to play 2 out and out wide men with Traore on the opposite side.

If we can't get some goals out of that lot then I'd look at the coaching and tactics before I looked at throwing another £10-15M at it.
Even if Gestede and co prove to be just flat track bullies, there's enough dodgy teams about to think we'll keep ourselves bobbing around lower mid table until January.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 24, 2015, 01:28:36 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on August 24, 2015, 01:14:24 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on August 24, 2015, 10:42:02 AM

I said this morning that it appears Randy is still being tight because I doubt we've spent more than we've brought in

Thing is in a summer with a huge windfall like we've just had, albeit reluctantly, with the squad turnover we've gone through (are we up to 12 out and 10 in so far?) net spend isn't really a fair measure.

Would we have done the same business if Benteke's clause was only £25 million, or we'd had to spend £0.5 - 1.0M per player more?  Then squad wise we'd be no better or worse off, but looking at a net spend of what £15M and still be approaching the point where we'd seriously be considering if we could integrate more players into the squad.

The only one I'd look at is if Amavi's got a right footed clone that's available for half sensible money.

Up front, we need to let Ayew and Gestede settle down with any combination of Grealish, Gil and Traore settling them up and Sinclair as an option either instead of Ayew or if we want to play 2 out and out wide men with Traore on the opposite side.

If we can't get some goals out of that lot then I'd look at the coaching and tactics before I looked at throwing another £10-15M at it.
Even if Gestede and co prove to be just flat track bullies, there's enough dodgy teams about to think we'll keep ourselves bobbing around lower mid table until January.

Not been following Spurs too closely so far, but has Kyle Walker featured for them so far?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on August 24, 2015, 01:34:01 PM

I'd play McCafu at right back with instructions just to give the ball to Adama and go no further than the halfway line.

With Amavi pushing forward on the left and Richards capable of bringing the ball forward thro' the middle. I don't see the need to weaken the defence by playing an out of position midfielder or looking to bring in a more attacking right back.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 24, 2015, 01:42:48 PM

Walker's played 90 minutes in all three matches so far.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 24, 2015, 02:16:49 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 24, 2015, 01:42:48 PM

Walker's played 90 minutes in all three matches so far.

I bet Keiran Trippier's over the moon that he signed for them. And DeAndre Yedlin. It still amazes me that any young prospect goes to Spurs. Surely you'd just look at them and see the turnover of management and playing staff and opt to go elsewhere?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on August 24, 2015, 02:22:06 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on August 24, 2015, 10:12:31 AM

Gestede is fine as the central striker. What he needs is a Jermaine Defoe/Kevin Phillips type next to him who would react quickly to his knock downs/flick ons. Any ideas chaps?

Remy; Berahinho

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 24, 2015, 02:23:39 PM

Yedlin would be a decent buy from Spurs.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 24, 2015, 02:32:25 PM

Quote from: Mister E on August 24, 2015, 02:22:06 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on August 24, 2015, 10:12:31 AM

Gestede is fine as the central striker. What he needs is a Jermaine Defoe/Kevin Phillips type next to him who would react quickly to his knock downs/flick ons. Any ideas chaps?

Remy; Berahinho

Yep sadly the latter would cost far too much.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 24, 2015, 02:58:40 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 24, 2015, 02:16:49 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 24, 2015, 01:42:48 PM

Walker's played 90 minutes in all three matches so far.

I bet Keiran Trippier's over the moon that he signed for them. And DeAndre Yedlin. It still amazes me that any young prospect goes to Spurs. Surely you'd just look at them and see the turnover of management and playing staff and opt to go elsewhere?

Same reason the likes of Wright-Phillips went to Chelsea and Rodwell/Sinclair/Ratus Ratus go to Man City.

Chance of a significant step up if you've got the self confidence/arrogance to back yourself in that situation and the safety net of pocketing a couple of million per year if you've overstepped yourself.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 24, 2015, 03:44:36 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on August 24, 2015, 02:58:40 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 24, 2015, 02:16:49 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 24, 2015, 01:42:48 PM

Walker's played 90 minutes in all three matches so far.

I bet Keiran Trippier's over the moon that he signed for them. And DeAndre Yedlin. It still amazes me that any young prospect goes to Spurs. Surely you'd just look at them and see the turnover of management and playing staff and opt to go elsewhere?

Same reason the likes of Wright-Phillips went to Chelsea and Rodwell/Sinclair/Ratus Ratus go to Man City.

Chance of a significant step up if you've got the self confidence/arrogance to back yourself in that situation and the safety net of pocketing a couple of million per year if you've overstepped yourself.

But it's Spurs specifically. Their short-termism and impatience would surely put-off any career-minded player.

Take Trippier as an example. At £3.5m I'm sure clubs were lining up to sign him, but he's now been added to Spurs stock-pool of right-backs. They didn't need him, just like they didn't need Yedlin when they signed him. He probably won't dislodge Walker, and you can guarantee that Levy will be looking to make a profit on him if he asks to move on.

It's the same every year. Players like Sigurðsson (I Googled it) and Lewis Holtby are easily good enough for Spurs' current team, but the deluded impatience of their fans, and the way that their Chairmen treats players like commodities (even more so than usual) means that thy're not given anything like a fair chance before being shipped-out, usually at a profit. They take a similar approach to their managers too.

At least if you're going to go to a top 4 club (a la Delph) then you're likely to have the consolation of winning trophies and playing (albeit limited) Champions League Football. At Spurs, it's literally just a chance to live in London. Or Hertfordshire. Meh.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Proposition Joe on August 24, 2015, 03:58:03 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on August 24, 2015, 01:34:01 PM

I'd play McCafu at right back with instructions just to give the ball to Adama and go no further than the halfway line.

My thoughts exactly.

With Adama on the right, and Sinclair + Amavi on the left, this will be the first season in ages where we carry a genuine threat down both flanks.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 24, 2015, 04:54:34 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on August 24, 2015, 10:12:31 AM

Gestede is fine as the central striker. What he needs is a Jermaine Defoe/Kevin Phillips type next to him who would react quickly to his knock downs/flick ons. Any ideas chaps?

Isn't that all a bit 1970s? I hope and I think Gestede has more to his game other than trying to get flick-ons for hoof football. I pray Sherwood thinks the same.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: oldtimernow on August 24, 2015, 04:57:12 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 24, 2015, 02:23:39 PM

Yedlin would be a decent buy from Spurs.

would go with that

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt C on August 24, 2015, 05:02:40 PM

Lescott update - http://dlvr.it/BxsnN5

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: The Left Side on August 24, 2015, 05:10:23 PM

If we get Lescott I hope he does well but he looked like his legs had gone when Gabby strode past him in the cup game last season. Trust in Tim that's what I say.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 24, 2015, 06:21:01 PM

I think against pacey forwards Clark will play but I would relish having a couple of strong ones when we play sides that have got stronger players as Clark still gets physically beaten to easily.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 24, 2015, 06:33:17 PM

All gone quiet on the Michu link, has he gone back to Spain?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 24, 2015, 07:28:29 PM

I can see Lescott signing permanently this week and Adebayor on deadline day on loan. I think there will be a forward joining us though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 24, 2015, 09:25:07 PM

Well we can all breathe a bit easier.

At half time Danish TV said that Super Mario has been seen in Milan ahead of a medical for a move to AC

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LukeJames on August 24, 2015, 09:41:12 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on August 24, 2015, 09:25:07 PM

Well we can all breathe a bit easier.

At half time Danish TV said that Super Mario has been seen in Milan ahead of a medical for a move to AC

Those talking Scandanavian TV's are the future, Some of our TV's have internet on them but that's it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 24, 2015, 09:44:38 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 24, 2015, 07:28:29 PM

I can see Lescott signing permanently this week and Adebayor on deadline day on loan. I think there will be a forward joining us though.

Lescott looks very likely now, and I think it is a good signing. He might calm Richards down a bit at times too, although I am becoming a bit of a fan of big Micah at the moment.


West Ham seem to be back in for Adebayor. I really hope Sherwood has something lined up. I think Ayew and Gestede as a 2 would work well, but playing 4-4-2 away is not really going to work and it is a formation that Jack and Gil would struggle in.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 24, 2015, 09:52:03 PM

Quote from: LukeJames on August 24, 2015, 09:41:12 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on August 24, 2015, 09:25:07 PM

Well we can all breathe a bit easier.

At half time Danish TV said that Super Mario has been seen in Milan ahead of a medical for a move to AC

Those talking Scandanavian TV's are the future, Some of our TV's have internet on them but that's it.

Just like everywhere else, it's all pre-programmed bollocks.

Mind you does have the advantage of not being forced to look at Richard Keyes or listen to Jamie Carragher.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 24, 2015, 10:00:06 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 24, 2015, 09:44:38 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 24, 2015, 07:28:29 PM

I can see Lescott signing permanently this week and Adebayor on deadline day on loan. I think there will be a forward joining us though.

Lescott looks very likely now, and I think it is a good signing. He might calm Richards down a bit at times too, although I am becoming a bit of a fan of big Micah at the moment.


West Ham seem to be back in for Adebayor. I really hope Sherwood has something lined up. I think Ayew and Gestede as a 2 would work well, but playing 4-4-2 away is not really going to work and it is a formation that Jack and Gil would struggle in.

According to the sports headlines after the Arsenal-Liverpool game, Pulis has come out and said that 15 clubs have inquired about Berahino. Almost worth doing, just to hear the whines of "it bay fayer" from over here

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on August 24, 2015, 10:28:59 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on August 24, 2015, 09:25:07 PM

Well we can all breathe a bit easier.

At half time Danish TV said that Super Mario has been seen in Milan ahead of a medical for a move to AC

May be they want their little* problem back.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 24, 2015, 10:52:59 PM

Watford havevto shift a dew players i cud satpy a move for vdyra   I also like Murray or Moses. Michu would be outrageous and he's my preferred option as he's guaranteed goals . out of contract next summer I think move on him would be good.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on August 24, 2015, 10:56:31 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 24, 2015, 07:28:29 PM

I can see Lescott signing permanently this week and Adebayor on deadline day on loan. I think there will be a forward joining us though.

So you think we'll get Adebayor AND another forward? Can't see that happening

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Monty on August 24, 2015, 10:57:41 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on August 24, 2015, 10:52:59 PM

Watford havevto shift a dew players i cud satpy a move for vdyra   I also like Murray or Moses. Michu would be outrageous and he's my preferred option as he's guaranteed goals . out of contract next summer I think move on him would be good.

So guaranteed goals that he's scored 6 in two years?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 24, 2015, 11:12:30 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 24, 2015, 09:44:38 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 24, 2015, 07:28:29 PM

I can see Lescott signing permanently this week and Adebayor on deadline day on loan. I think there will be a forward joining us though.

Lescott looks very likely now, and I think it is a good signing. He might calm Richards down a bit at times too, although I am becoming a bit of a fan of big Micah at the moment.


West Ham seem to be back in for Adebayor. I really hope Sherwood has something lined up. I think Ayew and Gestede as a 2 would work well, but playing 4-4-2 away is not really going to work and it is a formation that Jack and Gil would struggle in.

We did play a diamond at times towards the end of the season, with Grealish playing behind Benteke and N'Zogbia, with the latter given somewhat of a free role.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 24, 2015, 11:13:16 PM

Quote from: Monty on August 24, 2015, 10:57:41 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on August 24, 2015, 10:52:59 PM

Watford havevto shift a dew players i cud satpy a move for vdyra   I also like Murray or Moses. Michu would be outrageous and he's my preferred option as he's guaranteed goals . out of contract next summer I think move on him would be good.

So guaranteed goals that he's scored 6 in two years?

Michu ?? I'm talking of his prem league form and experience. Need a player of his calibre unlike adebayor is less risky . lescott solid and shows Sherwood wants some winners. Aaron Lennon out of contract next season bring him and moses michu lescott or Evans and Hernandez, berbatov or adebayor.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 24, 2015, 11:30:41 PM

Some stuff being said about us talking to Roma about Adem Ljajić.

Attacking midfielder / winger, apparently.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 24, 2015, 11:32:52 PM

If his ankle is better, then Michu at the front of a 3 that has the talent of Gil, Grealish and Traore in it, with Sinclair, Ayew and Gestede we would surely be able to find a combination that worked?

Reports in Italy that we are in talks with Ljajic from Roma. Another winger/ striker so I don't see it. Unless Sherwood decides to stick Sinclair down the middle, which personally I think would be pretty handy.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 24, 2015, 11:43:19 PM

Lescott is basically leaving wba as he's being ousted by either fazio from spurs or jonny Evans . reported he can leave once they bring in and Sunderland and villa are parties interested.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 24, 2015, 11:47:27 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on August 24, 2015, 11:43:19 PM

Lescott is basically leaving wba as he's being ousted by either fazio from spurs or jonny Evans . reported he can leave once they bring in and Sunderland and villa are parties interested.

I'm not excited by the arrival of Lescott, but I think I'd take him ahead of either Evans or Fazio.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 24, 2015, 11:49:42 PM

I'd take Richard Dunne or Liam Ridgewell back ahead of those two.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: adrenachrome on August 25, 2015, 12:18:56 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 24, 2015, 11:30:41 PM

Some stuff being said about us talking to Roma about Adem Ljajić.

Attacking midfielder / winger, apparently.

GianlucaDiMarzio.com (http://gianlucadimarzio.com/news-cat/roma-trattativa-in-corso-con-laston-villa-per-ljajic/).

Sky's Italian reporter.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on August 25, 2015, 12:26:32 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 24, 2015, 11:30:41 PM

Some stuff being said about us talking to Roma about Adem Ljajić.

Attacking midfielder / winger, apparently.

According to SkyItalia, the Roma Director of Football ( Walter Sabatini ) is in talks with us re this player.......young, gifted & skillful, allegedly............Godzvilla!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eamonn on August 25, 2015, 01:16:59 AM

Lescott has always seemed destined to join us. A pity it fell through ten years ago when O Dreary was in charge but  better late than never.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on August 25, 2015, 02:06:40 AM

I guess I'm in the minority, but I'd prefer Evans, if it weren't for the fact that United would probably want half a dozen million for him or so. I think he just needs to do with a spot of confidence.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt C on August 25, 2015, 03:31:30 AM

Reported 8m which has more than a whiff of the 'panic buy' about it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JJ-AV on August 25, 2015, 04:41:53 AM

Remy would be fantastic, but can't see it happening.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 25, 2015, 06:04:24 AM

Quote from: passitsideways on August 25, 2015, 02:06:40 AM

I guess I'm in the minority, but I'd prefer Evans, if it weren't for the fact that United would probably want half a dozen million for him or so. I think he just needs to do with a spot of confidence.ability

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 25, 2015, 07:12:47 AM

Quote from: Matt C on August 25, 2015, 03:31:30 AM

Reported 8m which has more than a whiff of the 'panic buy' about it.

What makes you say that?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 25, 2015, 07:17:40 AM

To judge Evans you maybe can take a lead from watching Brown and O'Shea at Sunderland. Both  have been genuinely awful but played quite regularly when there were better players than united have had recently. Evans is still surplus despite then using Blind at centre half. I think that says it all.

Lescott isn't exciting, but he is functional. I like is having an experienced centre half at the club. Johnsen, McGrath hell even Colin Calderwood did a job fit us into their 30s. I reckon he will do a good job for 2 seasons and become a bit of a crowd favourite after a couple of goals. Richards,Lescott and Gestede up for corners would with the opposition to death.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: gervilla on August 25, 2015, 08:34:42 AM

Kozac in talks with Celtic according to the Times.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 25, 2015, 08:37:37 AM

I hope it's only a loan, I like Libor.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 25, 2015, 08:41:37 AM

I rated him too, but I guess having the best part of two seasons out of the game, it will take him some time to get back up to speed. 15 years ago his career would have been over.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 25, 2015, 08:44:55 AM

The problem is that you don't really learn a lot about loaning a player to Celtic, especially as they're anything but guaranteed of progressing in the Champions League. The Championship is a much better yard-stick these days. If he does go to Celtic on loan, I would still take that as a sign that Sherwood's written him off.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 25, 2015, 08:47:23 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 24, 2015, 11:47:27 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on August 24, 2015, 11:43:19 PM

Lescott is basically leaving wba as he's being ousted by either fazio from spurs or jonny Evans . reported he can leave once they bring in and Sunderland and villa are parties interested.

I'm not excited by the arrival of Lescott, but I think I'd take him ahead of either Evans or Fazio.

2 very different sets of circumstances though. In McAuley, Dawson and Olsson Pulis already has a decent set of experienced stoppers to chose from. We don't and desperately need one. At 33 and with one year left on his contract it makes perfect sense for WBA to sell. With all of his experience, at a fairly cheap fee, for 1/2 seasons and practically guaranteed to settle-in instantly it makes perfect sense for us to buy.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 25, 2015, 09:00:57 AM

Quote from: RussellC on August 25, 2015, 08:44:55 AM

The problem is that you don't really learn a lot about loaning a player to Celtic, especially as they're anything but guaranteed of progressing in the Champions League. The Championship is a much better yard-stick these days. If he does go to Celtic on loan, I would still take that as a sign that Sherwood's written him off.

I get the impression that he's written him off anyway, but just hope that isn't the case.  Although this is a clear sign another forward will come in.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 25, 2015, 09:12:45 AM

I'd feel really sorry for kozak but if it means we can bring a different forward in id do it. Can't really see why we need gestede and kozak.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 25, 2015, 09:14:25 AM

Quote from: RussellC on August 25, 2015, 08:44:55 AM

The problem is that you don't really learn a lot about loaning a player to Celtic, especially as they're anything but guaranteed of progressing in the Champions League. The Championship is a much better yard-stick these days. If he does go to Celtic on loan, I would still take that as a sign that Sherwood's written him off.

Well the main thing we need to learn is if he is fit enough to play regularly. He'll get that at Celtic. Also worth pointing out that even if they lose their CL qualifier they're guaranteed at least six Europa games.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on August 25, 2015, 09:20:06 AM

What a flipping piss take if we are looking to sell him outright, when there's shite like Gabby that needs moving on first.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on August 25, 2015, 09:26:02 AM

Quote from: RussellC on August 25, 2015, 08:44:55 AM

The problem is that you don't really learn a lot about loaning a player to Celtic, especially as they're anything but guaranteed of progressing in the Champions League. The Championship is a much better yard-stick these days. If he does go to Celtic on loan, I would still take that as a sign that Sherwood's written him off.

But he hasn't written off Agbonlahor.That seems very unfair on Libor

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 25, 2015, 09:40:25 AM

I don't think it's just Kozak's ability to stay injury free that's the worry. Our coaching staff will have been running fitness tests (speed, stamina, etc) all summer, and the fact that we've since spent £6m on Gestede and are seemingly still in for another striker suggests to me that Kozak hasn't performed well, despite his goals against Fulham and Wolves.

If he was in Sherwood's thoughts at all I would imagine we'd be looking at a 3/6 month loan to a Championship Club, not a season-long move north of the border.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 25, 2015, 10:09:52 AM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on August 25, 2015, 09:20:06 AM

What a flipping piss take if we are looking to sell him outright, when there's shite like Gabby that needs moving on first.

My thoughts exactly

Tim seems to think all the villa fans think gabby is a legend and he is villa through and through and I think trying to keep us on his side by making gabby vice captain etc and playing him , like trying to aplease us.

And the fans saying that he his loyal . Well I'm sorry if I was getting paid that kind of money for being mainly shite for four seasons and hardly scoring , when I know I couldn't get into any other prem team because I'm actually championship level and the job is this easy , well I would be loyal.

Tim needs to move him on because with players like gabby that is why we are finishing 17th , he's past it .

I don't know if Libor will be good enough but id keep him and shift gabby to Celtic or bolton

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 25, 2015, 10:18:48 AM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on August 25, 2015, 09:20:06 AM

What a flipping piss take if we are looking to sell him outright, when there's shite like Gabby that needs moving on first.

Gabby and N'Zogbia should be nowhere near the first team. Get rid.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Damo70 on August 25, 2015, 10:20:56 AM

I would prefer maybe a three month loan or even a loan to a championship club on a month to month basis. I am sure there would be takers and it leaves us with options to bring him back if and when we want to.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pbavfckuwait on August 25, 2015, 10:28:30 AM

As Tim has said on numerous occasions, certain players have been told they can move on if an offer comes in, freeing up wages and bringing money in through a fee, Libor may not have been his number 1 to get rid off, but he has to decide if and when an offer comes in.
Gabby Villa, Villa and bleeds claret and blue, funny thing is I cannot ever remember an offer coming in for him, that might be an old aged memory thing,but I can't, so really it has been quite easy for him to be loyal if no one else wants him and I am sure there are reasons why no one else wants him because for the last 3 years he has been crap.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 25, 2015, 10:49:03 AM

Quite true you don't learn much about Libor's skill levels in Scotland but the game there is very physical and if Libor is to retain any resale value his medical will make or break any deal.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on August 25, 2015, 11:04:55 AM

I'd imagine Gabby's next destination (if he ever, ever moves) will be to join Sunderland, Middlesbrough or Wolves. Someone like that. Well past it in terms of ability, if not age.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 25, 2015, 11:05:28 AM

Nobody will take Gabby because he's shite and overpaid

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on August 25, 2015, 11:06:37 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 25, 2015, 11:05:28 AM

Nobody will take Gabby because he's shite and overpaid

You're his agent.  Admit it

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 25, 2015, 11:27:13 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 25, 2015, 11:05:28 AM

Nobody will take Gabby because he's shite and overpaid

Enough about his good points...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Joshua Fineman on August 25, 2015, 12:02:01 PM

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11677/9965032/adem-ljajic-in-talks-with-aston-villa-over-move-from-roma?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11677/9965032/adem-ljajic-in-talks-with-aston-villa-over-move-from-roma?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)

Do we really need another attacking midfielder?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 25, 2015, 12:09:39 PM

Yes after watching last 3 games

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Pete3206 on August 25, 2015, 12:12:37 PM

Definately

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 25, 2015, 12:13:23 PM

You beat me to it Phil. So long as you don't fall foul of FFP the door should always be open to quality players regardless of position.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on August 25, 2015, 12:20:24 PM

I think it's more about getting some cohesion at this stage more than it is about personnel. Grealish played well on Saturday for about an hour, but he didn't have anyone to link up with in threatening areas (the midfield three were decent on the whole but none of them threaten much in the final third). No Sinclair, no Ayew, no Gil, no Veretout, and by the time Adama came on Jack was completely knackered. I understand it's a difficult situation because by the time we'll be able to make an informed decision on whether our current attackers are good enough, the window will be shut - so if it turns out they aren't good enough, we'll be in a spot of bother; whereas if they are, we'll have spunked money that maybe could've be spent on a proper right back or keeper on a player we maybe didn't need.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 25, 2015, 12:24:16 PM

Ljajic would be an incredible signing.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 25, 2015, 12:42:47 PM

Sherwood is aiming for the old 4-6-0 formation!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 25, 2015, 12:42:55 PM

Poor old Libor, I feel sorry for him if he leaves, just hope he benefits from it.  Meanwhile, has Gabby signed that new deal yet?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Monty on August 25, 2015, 12:44:47 PM

That would be a seriously exciting signing. Ljajic and a Sherwood-inspired Adebayor on loan and we'd be in business. I know there's a lot of 'gelling' to do and so on, but good players would gel more quickly than bad players.

Quote from: ozzjim on August 25, 2015, 12:42:47 PM

Sherwood is aiming for the old 4-6-0 formation!

Well Ljajic is a goalscoring midfielder, so we would be able to!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Abruzzo_John on August 25, 2015, 12:50:17 PM

This morning's Italian press are reporting that Ljajic is almost a done deal and that we have also put in  a bid for Gervinho which has been rejected. Having watched most of Roma's games over the last few years Ljajic has looked exciting at times but not realy been a stand out player, in and out of the team. He has scored some good goals but often flattened to deceive. The Roma tifosi are on the whole not overly keen to see him go but it is the Italian way to have regular clear outs of players who are not seen as fixtures in the side.

Gervinho did initially look good when he first got into the team after joining from Arsenal but seemed to go completely off the boil when he returned from the African Nations Cup and has been looking for a team all summer without sucess. Maybe a last minute deadine day purchase if nothing better comes up.
Forza Villa

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: itbrvilla on August 25, 2015, 12:51:27 PM

Can we get some better defenders next please.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Monty on August 25, 2015, 12:52:56 PM

Buongiorno John. I follow Roma quite a lot too, and I think your assessment is pretty much spot on. However, Ljajic's faults are the reason we're signing an attacking midfielder from Roma, because otherwise we wouldn't be able to - and him 'flattering to deceive' for Serie A chasers and Champions League perennials leaves him still miles above our current standard.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Abruzzo_John on August 25, 2015, 12:57:05 PM

Thanks Monty I just don't want people thinking he is the answer to all our prayers as a goal scorer, though he is a step up from some of the players of the last few years

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on August 25, 2015, 12:59:47 PM

Still think we need a centre forward!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 25, 2015, 01:01:35 PM

I hope if we do sign him that we give Ayew a run in front of any permutation of the 4-5 attacking midfielders we will then have. Gil Grealish Traore, Ljajic makes a pretty creative group in an area that last Christmas we were bereft. Having invested in Ayew I hope he gets a shot at being the focal point.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LukeJames on August 25, 2015, 01:05:42 PM

Ljajic can play as a forward to.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 25, 2015, 01:07:02 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on August 25, 2015, 12:59:47 PM

Still think we need a centre forward!

I can see a loan deal for James Wilson appealing to Sherwood.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 25, 2015, 01:14:38 PM

Have we not got any young centre forwards coming through the system?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 25, 2015, 01:14:45 PM

Get Lescott and Charlie Austin and I believe we will have a good season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: onje_villa on August 25, 2015, 01:16:14 PM

Ljajic looks awesome, I'd be seriously excited if we signed him. The attacking midfielders thing is a bit weird though. I've been crying out for just one decent one for years then we go and sign about 5.

The downside is we don't yet appear to have figured out how to use them properly. We need a proper striker or two at the top (I'd like to see Ayew given a chance) then a couple of these creative players being played in a fluid formation around them.

When you see we have Grealish, Gil, Sinclair, Traore and Veretout we have real options for the first time in forever.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 25, 2015, 01:16:33 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 25, 2015, 01:14:38 PM

Have we not got any young centre forwards coming through the system?

I think Robinson has always been the most prolific of the youngsters currently on our books. Of the even younger ones there's Hepburn-Murphy, but he looks to be about 9 years old.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on August 25, 2015, 01:21:02 PM

Quote from: Monty on August 25, 2015, 12:52:56 PM

Buongiorno John. I follow Roma quite a lot too, and I think your assessment is pretty much spot on. However, Ljajic's faults are the reason we're signing an attacking midfielder from Roma, because otherwise we wouldn't be able to - and him 'flattering to deceive' for Serie A chasers and Champions League perennials leaves him still miles above our current standard.

I'm not sure he is all that better than the options we have for the same positions, three of which have been bought this summer - Gil, Grealish, Veretout, Sinclair, Traore

Lets just assume that last season's options Cole, Richardson, Nzogbia and Tonev are on the way out and that Ayew and Gabby wont ever play supporting the main forward again (unlikely)

Ljajic is definitely a talented player with a decent goals return but not the most mobile and could fall into the new "all fart and no shit" category at the club.

After witnessing the tactical car crash over the last two weekends, bringing in another attacking midfielder without any semblance of a plan to integrate the options we already have is bonkers. If we have spare cash get in a quality right back and a new keeper.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: onje_villa on August 25, 2015, 01:24:07 PM

Quote from: LukeJames on August 25, 2015, 01:05:42 PM

Ljajic can play as a forward to.

Having watched the videos he looks like he could definitely be a proper striker. Not massive but a quality finisher.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 25, 2015, 01:24:58 PM

We should gazump Manure and their supposed £140m bid for Neymar.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Monty on August 25, 2015, 01:27:00 PM

That's a rather dark view of it I think, brontebilly. Both Grealish and Adam are extremely talented but also very young, and between them and Grealish we've seen that it takes very few absences for our creativity to essentially vanish. Veretout I am not certain will end up in an advanced position for us, and Sinclair, while a different type of player, is nowhere near as good as Ljajic in my view.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on August 25, 2015, 01:37:59 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 25, 2015, 01:24:58 PM

We should gazump Manure and their supposed £140m bid for Neymar.

What and double the value of the club!  Not good for trying to find a buyer.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on August 25, 2015, 01:40:16 PM

Quote from: brian green on August 25, 2015, 12:13:23 PM

You beat me to it Phil. So long as you don't fall foul of FFP the door should always be open to quality players regardless of position.

FFP? Does that apply to Man City & Chelsea?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 25, 2015, 01:42:03 PM

Quote from: Abruzzo_John on August 25, 2015, 12:50:17 PM

Gervinho did initially look good when he first got into the team after joining from Arsenal but seemed to go completely off the boil when he returned from the African Nations Cup and has been looking for a team all summer without sucess. Maybe a last minute deadine day purchase if nothing better comes up.
Forza Villa

I really hope we don't sign Gervinho. If Wenger and Garcia can't get an end product out of him, who can? Ljajic is better than him IMO.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Lobsterboy on August 25, 2015, 01:47:13 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 25, 2015, 01:07:02 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on August 25, 2015, 12:59:47 PM

Still think we need a centre forward!

I can see a loan deal for James Wilson appealing to Sherwood.

Given Man Ure's lack of striking options I am not sure this loan move would appeal as much to Van Gaal...

Would personally prefer us to go for someone with experience of scoring at the top level but appreciate players of this calibre don't exactly grow on trees!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 25, 2015, 02:30:23 PM

Ljajic looks pretty decent, but I do think we need an actual striker.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on August 25, 2015, 02:31:39 PM

I saw Roma a couple of times last season and Gervinho was proper pish.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 25, 2015, 02:34:53 PM

Ljajic coming in is smart move and shows that there will be adaptable formations during season... Here's hoping!!. Sherwood though partly in wanting to learn should be playing the players , team and formation against opposition however there already seems to be a rigidity that not allowing the right changes apart from shoving a big man up top. That said there are now a variety of options in place. I think looking  4-3-3 and 4-1-3-1-2 and 4-2-4-1 . What's essential is Westwood and Sanchez and veretout gueye combinations with Gardner coming in also. Now these players will be taking the ball and starting attacks as well as covering the the full backs who will providing the width  in attacks. BUT what's important is the way these midfielders play this role. Whilst at the other end a high pressing game from the front and wings is needed. Now different blokes for different strokes tactics Tim wilko and the boys need to be picking the right players for each match. Gabby is in team not only for experience but the pace . The attacking midfielders being brought in I hope aren't all just going to be drifting inside whilst the full backs are elected to get get forward. What is essential depending on opposition and how games I going is the fluidity and adaptability of the players. Sherwood choosing his 3 number '10s' behind the striker vs to my preffered front three who press from the top is an interesting watch. I like a mixture combination if I'm honest and a high pressing game from the front men and attacking midfielders not just the middle men would imo yeild more attacks, opportunity and goal threat.

Consider having ljajic ,Sinclair who has pace as a striker or ayew but consider them as front 3. Also. consider grelaish , Gil, traroe behind gestade add Gabby in the mix and young Robinson then we re talking. However the full backs are expected to get forward and the mid field expected to cover. If there's a midfield if  attackers who just cut in without movement apart from the full backs then break downs and lack of goals will occur. The overlapping runs of these full backs Bacuna and amavi and combination play can see channeled opens up. Look kolarov and sterling other night this is what we want to see from amavi and that's what he can do if team plays correctly. He made mistake in defence but forward wise he's capable.

Now the attacking midfielder role is important either with a diamond or just off as much as out wide. The players at villa this season who will get the most goals are Sinclair ayew and traroe . Gabby will miss the most chances! Gestede isn't counted as he's a striker out and out. If we add ljajic to this then that's 4 players. I also add Gil and grealish as well as full backs and then we see the only issues are the lack of goals from veretout , gardner Westwood, Sanchez and geyeue however as long as the play is right that won't be an issue as they will be the ball winners and main defenders , coveres and joining attacks and blocks as and when. The atacking midfilders must be pressing and moving and looking for the ball For me what's most encouraging therefore is that Wilkins, Cowans and Sherwood himself are midfielders.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 25, 2015, 02:57:58 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on August 25, 2015, 02:34:53 PM

That said there are now a variety of options in place. I think looking  4-3-3 and 4-1-3-1-2 and 4-2-4-1 .

How many players do you think we're allowed to use at once?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 25, 2015, 03:01:38 PM

Quote from: Dave on August 25, 2015, 02:57:58 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on August 25, 2015, 02:34:53 PM

That said there are now a variety of options in place. I think looking  4-3-3 and 4-1-3-1-2 and 4-2-4-1 .

How many players do you think we're allowed to use at once?

I think on his second two formations he's advocating four goalies, hence the need for only one or two defenders.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 25, 2015, 03:14:25 PM

More to the point Dave, how many footyskillz are there?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 25, 2015, 03:19:19 PM

Quote from: Dave on August 25, 2015, 02:57:58 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on August 25, 2015, 02:34:53 PM

That said there are now a variety of options in place. I think looking  4-3-3 and 4-1-3-1-2 and 4-2-4-1 .

How many players do you think we're allowed to use at once?

my eyes hurt  :o

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: manic-road on August 25, 2015, 03:54:38 PM

Quote from: VILLA MOLE on August 25, 2015, 03:19:19 PM

Quote from: Dave on August 25, 2015, 02:57:58 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on August 25, 2015, 02:34:53 PM

That said there are now a variety of options in place. I think looking  4-3-3 and 4-1-3-1-2 and 4-2-4-1 .

How many players do you think we're allowed to use at once?

my eyes hurt  :o

I quite like the look of that 4-2-4-1 formation, but I think the officials might rumble us having an extra player on the pitch.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: CJ on August 25, 2015, 03:59:58 PM

I think we should ditch any flashy diamond formation and just play a straightforward 4-4-4

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on August 25, 2015, 04:07:36 PM

I would go 4-4-4-4-2-4-4, a la Pop from The League of Gentlemen.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: oldtimernow on August 25, 2015, 04:14:00 PM

i'd go 1-2-3 1-2-3 and just waltz through opponents

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 25, 2015, 04:15:21 PM

Has ngzobia and Cole gone yet please

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 25, 2015, 04:29:51 PM

Adem Ljajic? Just been reported on SSN that a deal is all but done...checked his YouTube highlights and he's a player for sure...young, talented, skilful, good shot and likes to score goals. For me he's definitely the kind of players we're missing and could easily be used/converted to a striker rather than attacking midfielder.

Obviously its what TS thinks that counts...its looking like he could for total football up front with players being interchangeable and rotating positions (unlikely) or he can see Ljajic as being the perfect partner for Gestede or Ayew in a 442 (more likely). Either way, theres no doubt that if we sign him then he's another young talent to add to this exciting team/squad he's building.

I'd also be very surprised if sign another forward if we do close the deal for Ljajic...simply because we wont need one.

edit: YouTube highlights...he's a goal scorer if I ever saw one...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 25, 2015, 04:40:12 PM

Stones has handed in transfer request . He looked crap the other day so not sure if we need him 😝

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve R on August 25, 2015, 04:51:04 PM

Quote from: KRS on August 25, 2015, 04:29:51 PM

Adem Ljajic? ...

edit: YouTube highlights...he's a goal scorer if I ever saw one...

[... youtube clip...]

That chance he gets on 58 secs is not unlike the one Gabby had at Palace on Saturday. Different outcome.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: jwarry on August 25, 2015, 04:51:39 PM

So we've moved on from Jordans to Adams now then?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: thick_mike on August 25, 2015, 04:53:30 PM

Ljajic, gloves? I'm not sure...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 25, 2015, 05:02:35 PM

Quote from: KRS on August 25, 2015, 04:29:51 PM

edit: YouTube highlights...he's a goal scorer if I ever saw one...

Really? It's refreshing to see a youtube video of a player and think, humm.. he's not actually that good is he. All right footed, messes up after doing the hard part, not great technique, has one trick but knows how to strike a ball. In fact, thinking about it, we have Scott Sinclair, why would we want another?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Monty on August 25, 2015, 05:03:18 PM

Rudy, I've been watching Ljajic for years. He's much better than Sinclair.

Edit: not in person, but I do stream a really sad amount of Italian football.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 25, 2015, 05:16:04 PM

TalkSport reckons we're trying to sign Gervinho.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mallo on August 25, 2015, 05:17:17 PM

Well he looks considerably more of a threat than Gabby so I think he might be partnering Gestede. Still would like to see a proven goalscorer at premiership level come in whoc will (more or less) guarantee 10-15 goals - I am expecting more from midfield to level the loss of 20 from Benteke.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on August 25, 2015, 05:17:48 PM

Does Ljajic warrant his own thread?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Monty on August 25, 2015, 05:19:20 PM

Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 25, 2015, 05:16:04 PM

TalkSport reckons we're trying to sign Gervinho.

Talksport have probably run the article from Gazzetta through Google Translate and got confused.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 25, 2015, 05:20:58 PM

TalkSport just read Twitter then claim it was a source.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 25, 2015, 05:36:25 PM

Gervinho is crap and a forward line of Gervinho and Gestede would be crap. That serb kid looks pretty good, on youtube anyway.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 25, 2015, 06:11:46 PM

Quote from: Villafirst on August 25, 2015, 05:17:48 PM

Does Ljajic warrant his own thread?

There is nothing concrete on him coming at all is there?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 25, 2015, 06:12:10 PM

I always liked Gervinho. He'd be good. We do have a million wingers/attacking midfielders though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 25, 2015, 07:10:49 PM

The great Howard hodgson had just tweeted that we are not in for Ljajic at all.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt C on August 25, 2015, 07:11:17 PM

Well that's that then.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Monty on August 25, 2015, 07:12:48 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 25, 2015, 07:10:49 PM

The great Howard hodgson had just tweeted that we are not in for Ljajic at all.

And he'd know, given that Paul Allen put him on the board after the takeover.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villabear on August 25, 2015, 07:37:15 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 25, 2015, 06:12:10 PM

I always liked Gervinho. He'd be good. We do have a million wingers/attacking midfielders though.

Is Gervinho the one who looks like a Mars Attacks alien? 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Small Rodent on August 25, 2015, 08:01:38 PM

Yes

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 25, 2015, 08:14:27 PM

Quote from: Monty on August 25, 2015, 05:03:18 PM

Rudy, I've been watching Ljajic for years. He's much better than Sinclair.

Edit: not in person, but I do stream a really sad amount of Italian football.

BT sport now show the matches with James Richardson as host.  Not positive as I had the sound down but it looked like you could choose your match too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Monty on August 25, 2015, 08:15:37 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 25, 2015, 08:14:27 PM

Quote from: Monty on August 25, 2015, 05:03:18 PM

Rudy, I've been watching Ljajic for years. He's much better than Sinclair.

Edit: not in person, but I do stream a really sad amount of Italian football.

BT sport now show the matches with James Richardson as host.  Not positive as I had the sound down but it looked like you could choose your match too.

Yeah, I have less need to steram these days. Not sure about that match choice option though - that would be quite cool.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 25, 2015, 08:29:55 PM

Foxy has just said this is all bullshit. And Gervinho looks like he starred in all the Predator movies. As the Predator.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 26, 2015, 01:06:06 AM

I see the squad shaping up as:

                                                Guzan / Bunn

Bacuna / Hutton       Richards / Okore     Clark / Baker      Amavi / Richardson

                Veretout / Sanchez / Westwood      Gueye

 Traore                                  Grealish / Gil                           Sinclair

                              Ayew / Agbonlahor / Gestede / Kozak

Looking at that, I still think we are missing some quality in places.  Right-back is a concern, though Crespo can cover there as well.   Lescott would be a decent addition and he can cover left-back in emergencies.  That for me, just leaves the attacking third.  I think we could do with another wide option to rotate with Sinclair and Traore and we need another striker.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 26, 2015, 02:22:57 AM

The reports from Italy seem to think we have put some sort of loan offer in for Ljajic which would probably make sense, I can't see us spending big money on another attacking midfielder when we need a striker and defender so much. Daily Mail are reporting we still want Michu and Lescott. Both would be worth a go in my opinion.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt C on August 26, 2015, 02:37:09 AM

Lescott would be a smart signing I think. Not sure about Michu.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 26, 2015, 03:33:35 AM

If Kozak moves we need someone else up front, and at least Michu has proven to know where the net is - all depends how fit he is after 2 lots of ankle surgery. Maybe worth the gamble though with Ayew looking like he will take a while to adjust.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt C on August 26, 2015, 03:58:24 AM

If United sign a striker I can see us going for Wilson on loan.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 26, 2015, 06:33:40 AM

Do we have lots of wingers? I think we have two and one of them is 19.

But I would prioritise a centre forward

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on August 26, 2015, 06:42:48 AM

I think Sinclair is a winger, or "wide forward". I think Ayew counts, at least once/if he settles. Plus, there'll be games where Gil plays on the right, even though he's a no. 10.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 26, 2015, 07:24:09 AM

Ayew is really a striker and Gil is a number 10. I agree either can play wide

But put it this way. Against Sunderland I think we have to play with pace up top and down the flanks. If Adama is out who plays on the right?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 26, 2015, 07:55:10 AM

Quote from: passitsideways on August 26, 2015, 06:42:48 AM

I think Sinclair is a winger, or "wide forward". I think Ayew counts, at least once/if he settles. Plus, there'll be games where Gil plays on the right, even though he's a no. 10.

When he gets into the box Sinclair's movement and anticipation is actually as good as any centre-forward we've had in recent times. The fact that he seems to score quite a few tap-ins shouldn't just be put down to coincidence. I don't want to get carried away but it looks like we might just be seeing him return to his Swansea form, which can only be a good thing.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 26, 2015, 08:23:23 AM

The Sun are reporting that Kozak has rejected the move to Celtic

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on August 26, 2015, 08:44:43 AM

Quote from: RussellC on August 26, 2015, 07:55:10 AM

Quote from: passitsideways on August 26, 2015, 06:42:48 AM

I think Sinclair is a winger, or "wide forward". I think Ayew counts, at least once/if he settles. Plus, there'll be games where Gil plays on the right, even though he's a no. 10.

When he gets into the box Sinclair's movement and anticipation is actually as good as any centre-forward we've had in recent times. The fact that he seems to score quite a few tap-ins shouldn't just be put down to coincidence. I don't want to get carried away but it looks like we might just be seeing him return to his Swansea form, which can only be a good thing.

It's a good point about the tap ins,
that's what good strikers do, get themselves into those positions by instinct

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on August 26, 2015, 09:56:21 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on August 26, 2015, 07:24:09 AM

Ayew is really a striker and Gil is a number 10. I agree either can play wide

But put it this way. Against Sunderland I think we have to play with pace up top and down the flanks. If Adama is out who plays on the right?

I'd play Ayew or Gil on the right and Gestede up top. Back at Marseille, I think Ayew played a fair bit on the right (since they would've still had Remy or Gignac up top back then). I don't think pace by itself is that pressing a need, even against Sunderland.

Our left-sided options are Grealish, Sinclair, Adama can be switched there every now and then, and Gabby/Richardson as last resorts for 20 minutes at the end of games. Right-sided options are less convincing, we're certainly hoping Adama is ready soon and there's Gil as well, but I don't think it's that awful to have third and fourth options be the likes of Ayew, Bacuna, or even Veretout (although we'd obviously prefer that he quickly becomes an undisputed first-choice central midfielder).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Arsey on August 26, 2015, 11:53:20 AM

At the moment it would be hard to argue that Sinclair isn't the best striker we have.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 26, 2015, 02:39:44 PM

But can Sinclair do any sort of hold up play with his back to goal? I've Never seen it

On pace, I think villa, Leicester, palace and Norwich have all shown the way it can destroy Sunderland in the last few months. Simply has to be a massive part of the game plan

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 26, 2015, 02:44:31 PM

It was in the 4-0 win a few months ago.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 26, 2015, 03:23:06 PM

Hold onto your seats folks...

http://sport360.com/article/arabian-gulf-league/41361/bani-yas-make-enquiry-aston-villa-winger-charles-nzogbia

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: in exile on August 26, 2015, 03:27:58 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 26, 2015, 03:23:06 PM

Hold onto your seats folks...

http://sport360.com/article/arabian-gulf-league/41361/bani-yas-make-enquiry-aston-villa-winger-charles-nzogbia

We may get actual money for him...amazing

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: AVFC13 on August 26, 2015, 03:59:38 PM

Quote from: in exile on August 26, 2015, 03:27:58 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 26, 2015, 03:23:06 PM

Hold onto your seats folks...

http://sport360.com/article/arabian-gulf-league/41361/bani-yas-make-enquiry-aston-villa-winger-charles-nzogbia

We may get actual money for him...amazing

Money? I'd take a dirty sock and slap in the face to get him off our wage bill.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on August 26, 2015, 04:14:40 PM

The Sky Blues eh!   Either of them will do.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on August 26, 2015, 04:42:43 PM

Quote from: in exile on August 26, 2015, 03:27:58 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 26, 2015, 03:23:06 PM

Hold onto your seats folks...

http://sport360.com/article/arabian-gulf-league/41361/bani-yas-make-enquiry-aston-villa-winger-charles-nzogbia

We may get actual money for him...amazing

If we can get rid of him it will be like signing a new player

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 26, 2015, 04:48:15 PM

It would be like leaving a steaming bag of shit in a neighbour's porch and ringing the bell.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 26, 2015, 04:51:39 PM

Quote from: OCD on August 26, 2015, 04:48:15 PM

It would be like leaving a steaming bag of shit in a neighbour's porch and ringing the bell.

And them being grateful for it..

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on August 26, 2015, 05:23:01 PM

Quote from: villadelph on August 26, 2015, 04:51:39 PM

Quote from: OCD on August 26, 2015, 04:48:15 PM

It would be like leaving a steaming bag of shit in a neighbour's porch and ringing the bell.

And them being grateful for it..

I sniggered out loud at this! Thanks, I needed something to break the day's tedium.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: CT on August 26, 2015, 05:44:12 PM

Game faces on guys...they may be reading.

I'll be gutted to lose Charles and have no idea how we replace someone of such extraordinary quality. I hope the Club will at least get the many millions we'll need to replace him.

Goodbye Charles, I'll miss you and thanks for everything.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 26, 2015, 05:46:28 PM

I'm no nzogbia fan

But with Adama out are people really saying that gabby or Ayew are a better bet for the right sided position in a 4231?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on August 26, 2015, 05:49:10 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on August 26, 2015, 05:46:28 PM

I'm no nzogbia fan

But with Adama out are people really saying that gabby or Ayew are a better bet for the right sided position in a 4231?

Yes.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 26, 2015, 06:13:09 PM

Quote from: Stirchley Villain on August 26, 2015, 05:49:10 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on August 26, 2015, 05:46:28 PM

I'm no nzogbia fan

But with Adama out are people really saying that gabby or Ayew are a better bet for the right sided position in a 4231?

Yes.

I'd rather stick an umbrella into the ground up on the right wing than play N'Zogbia...and Gabby for that matter.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on August 26, 2015, 07:47:45 PM

Gabby had a good second half on the right against Bournemouth mind, but no he simply has to be dropped after his Palace display as does Bacuna.

With Traore out and Gabby and Ayew out of form, it does leave us short of pace up top alright

Sinclair has never played well away from Villa Park for us, but would try him central for this game, with Grealish on the left and Gil or Veretout on the right of those 3. Sanchez and Gueye holding. Gestede up top again, Sinclair will read his knock downs better centrally

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 26, 2015, 08:15:21 PM

Anything is better than Gabby who would need the knock downs in braille to be able to read them

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 26, 2015, 08:48:37 PM

As per the Sinclair thread, I could maybe see him as part of a two with gestede.  But if you're talking about a three behind gestede surely grealish is central and Sinclair left, not vice versa

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 26, 2015, 09:33:37 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on August 26, 2015, 08:48:37 PM

As per the Sinclair thread, I could maybe see him as part of a two with gestede.  But if you're talking about a three behind gestede surely grealish is central and Sinclair left, not vice versa

They'd swap pretty naturally I'd imagine/hope.  It's only really defensively that positions need be fixed rigidly.  The more interchangeable the "Three" are the better.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 26, 2015, 10:20:01 PM

If Adama is fit I'd go Adama grealish Sinclair - gestede

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 26, 2015, 10:37:54 PM

Looks like Tonev might be on his way too

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 26, 2015, 10:38:57 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 26, 2015, 10:37:54 PM

Looks like Tonev might be on his way too

Fuck me, which team is daft enough to buy him?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 26, 2015, 10:39:04 PM

Let's hope so TV!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 26, 2015, 10:42:45 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on August 26, 2015, 10:38:57 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 26, 2015, 10:37:54 PM

Looks like Tonev might be on his way too

Fuck me, which team is daft enough to buy him?

Some Italian side called Frosinone. Whoever they are.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 26, 2015, 10:43:54 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 26, 2015, 10:37:54 PM

Looks like Tonev might be on his way too

Too? Can you stop raising our hopes.

Seriously, if we can get rid of N'Zogbia AND get some money for him, I'll give little Timmy an extra month right up until the end of the year, maybe even as far as the first days of January (but not the FA Cup 3rd round, for obvious reasons.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 26, 2015, 11:01:43 PM

Imagine getting Tonev and Nzogbia gone for actual money. And Senderos.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 26, 2015, 11:05:13 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 26, 2015, 10:42:45 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on August 26, 2015, 10:38:57 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 26, 2015, 10:37:54 PM

Looks like Tonev might be on his way too

Fuck me, which team is daft enough to buy him?

Some Italian side called Frosinone. Whoever they are.

I thought he was going to a Bulgarian club called Noblacksallowed, although I hear he's also got a San Marino club after him, which is about his level, Rowzed FC.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 26, 2015, 11:05:46 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 26, 2015, 11:01:43 PM

Imagine getting Tonev and Nzogbia gone for actual money. And Senderos.

World peace would follow the next day I think.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 26, 2015, 11:06:37 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 26, 2015, 10:42:45 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on August 26, 2015, 10:38:57 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 26, 2015, 10:37:54 PM

Looks like Tonev might be on his way too

Fuck me, which team is daft enough to buy him?

Some Italian side called Frosinone. Whoever they are.

Fuck my old boots, they have just been promoted to Serie A and play a few miles away from where my wifes family come from and where I am visiting soon. Only tonight I was saying that we should arrange to watch them play, dont think I'll bother now.

I won't fly in whilst they are playing either, too dangerous.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 26, 2015, 11:56:07 PM

If Traore is out for the weekend I think I'd be tempted to bring Hutton in and push Bacuna further forward.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 27, 2015, 12:12:43 AM

I wouldn't. I would bring Hutton in for Bacuna on the basis of him being able to defend, but Bacuna has been poor and ponderous with the ball going forward this season and a game or two out would not hurt him. I would play the central 3 of Gana, Vertout and Westwood with Vertout in front of the 2, and put Gil wide right and let him attack the full back, have Grealish coming from the left and Sinclair down the middle.

Links seem to have gone very quiet now. Nixon in the sun reckons we are in for a keeper from abroad. Hodgson is telling all that Fox told him we have no interest in Ljajic despite the reports in Italy. Still no links to a striker, but apparently Wolves want 14m for Afobe. Even at that price I would be tempted to see if there is a deal to be done with Kozak going the other way if Sherwood is determined that he is surplus. Mind you a season long loan for Ayew in the Championship might not be a bad thing!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on August 27, 2015, 12:23:22 AM

Olbiyun were reportedly after Ayew before we signed him.

Offer them Ayew and £15 million for Berahino.  Or Ayew + Gabby and £20 million.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 27, 2015, 06:50:25 AM

Tonev looks nailed on for Rowzed FC. They want to team him up with their other two star strikers Indesrete and Ayrshotte. Expect t see him  on the upper terraces stretching the shirt knocking somebody's hat off any time soon.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 27, 2015, 07:58:20 AM

Quote from: PeterWithe on August 26, 2015, 11:06:37 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 26, 2015, 10:42:45 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on August 26, 2015, 10:38:57 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 26, 2015, 10:37:54 PM

Looks like Tonev might be on his way too

Fuck me, which team is daft enough to buy him?

Some Italian side called Frosinone. Whoever they are.

Fuck my old boots, they have just been promoted to Serie A and play a few miles away from where my wifes family come from and where I am visiting soon. Only tonight I was saying that we should arrange to watch them play, dont think I'll bother now.

I won't fly in whilst they are playing either, too dangerous.

I'm sure they will enjoy their afternoon delight

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 27, 2015, 08:00:05 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 27, 2015, 12:12:43 AM

Links seem to have gone very quiet now. Nixon in the sun reckons we are in for a keeper from abroad.

Kameni? Got to be some reason why Sherwood's been to Malaga twice. Not sure if it was mentioned on here but we also apparently had Jack Ruddy, a young Bury keeper, on trial last week.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 27, 2015, 08:01:07 AM

Nothing wrong with a shoot on sight policy, just a shame most of them ended up on The M6

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 27, 2015, 08:04:06 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 27, 2015, 08:01:07 AM

Nothing wrong with a shoot on sight policy, just a shame most of them ended up on The M6

There's plenty of police forces in the US that would take him then.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 27, 2015, 08:17:52 AM

We still need some players. I think a goalkeeper, defender and centre forward are needed.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 27, 2015, 08:24:45 AM

We still really do need at least 1 more striker and 1 more centre-back. I'm fairly sure that Albion will make us wait to the very last minute to get Lescott, even if everything's already agreed and in place and agreed. QPR have been making noises about Austin's value all summer, so I can see moving for less than the quoted £15m, whilst Wolves have been doing the opposite with Afobe who could prove to be very expensive. Either way, it would be good to use a year's loan of Kozak as a sweetener and get one of those two in.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on August 27, 2015, 08:26:14 AM

I am fairly satisfied with the players Sherwood has got in.He will probably add Lescott and replace Bertie Badger with Alan Hutton and go with that until the next window.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 27, 2015, 08:27:49 AM

I'd offer qpr , Ayew + £5m for Austin and see if they're tempted.  ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 27, 2015, 08:32:34 AM

Ayew's had 3 games! I think everyone needs to settle down a bit!!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ldavfc4eva on August 27, 2015, 08:35:14 AM

Why are some so keen to get rif of Ayew already? Give the lad a chance to settle and show us what he can do. If he hasn't impressed up to Christmas then fair enough loan him out, give him a chance first though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 27, 2015, 08:37:49 AM

In a terms of a keeper, and as much as I think we need an upgrade on Guzan asap, I’d be very reticent to bring one in at this stage of the window. We need to make sure that we are upgrading, not just bring in a keeper of similar ability “to push Guzan”, as I don’t think that’s his issue. I’d initially thought that Lindegaard at Utd would be a good choice, but given that he’s been made available on a free, whilst they’re in the middle of losing De Gea and Valdes, isn’t exactly a ringing endorsement.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 27, 2015, 08:38:39 AM

Quote from: RussellC on August 27, 2015, 08:32:34 AM

Ayew's had 3 games! I think everyone needs to settle down a bit!!

Agree completely, 3 fucking games!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 27, 2015, 08:50:27 AM

I'm not saying give up on Ayew. I'm saying we do need to start functioning in an attacking sense very soon and we haven't got a better option at the moment.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 27, 2015, 08:53:26 AM

Although, I did see this yesterday..

http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/leaked-audio-wife-of-torinos-afriyie-acquah-reveals-4-year-affair-with-aston-villas-jordan-ayew/

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 27, 2015, 09:11:40 AM

Quote from: RussellC on August 27, 2015, 08:53:26 AM

Although, I did see this yesterday..

http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/leaked-audio-wife-of-torinos-afriyie-acquah-reveals-4-year-affair-with-aston-villas-jordan-ayew/

well there is a midfielder we wont be signing

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mamuu on August 27, 2015, 09:13:25 AM

and shows he can score, given the right opportunity

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 27, 2015, 09:20:51 AM

So we are not interested in ljajic anymore according to reports

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 27, 2015, 09:22:54 AM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 27, 2015, 09:20:51 AM

So we are not interested in ljajic anymore according to reports

We never were

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 27, 2015, 09:23:39 AM

Quote from: brian green on August 27, 2015, 06:50:25 AM

Tonev looks nailed on for Rowzed FC. They want to team him up with their other two star strikers Indesrete and Ayrshotte. Expect t see him  on the upper terraces stretching the shirt knocking somebody's hat off any time soon.

I would have played tonev against small heath. Obviously at St  Andrews with his shots reaching the goal net  at villa park..

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 27, 2015, 10:09:01 AM

Tonev's gone. Confirmed on the Italian Club's website. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: in exile on August 27, 2015, 10:14:17 AM

Quote from: RussellC on August 27, 2015, 10:09:01 AM

Tonev's gone. Confirmed on the Italian Club's website.

Loan or permanent?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 27, 2015, 10:20:34 AM

Sounds like we've given him away;

"Il Frosinone Calcio comunica di aver acquisito le prestazioni sportive del calciatore Aleksandar Tonev. L’esterno bulgaro classe ’90 arriva a titolo definitivo."

Which translates as;

The Frosinone Calcio announces that it has acquired the player Aleksandar Tonev . The exterior Bulgarian class '90 arrives outright .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on August 27, 2015, 10:21:47 AM

"The exterior Bulgarian class '90 arrives outright."

Riiiiiight.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 27, 2015, 10:38:55 AM

Wonder if he'll fire a parting shot at the club....?






(I'll tee them up)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on August 27, 2015, 10:41:18 AM

Libor has turned down Celtic then.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 27, 2015, 10:41:53 AM

Whatever he says it will be wide of the mark

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 27, 2015, 10:44:59 AM

Well I'm glad we've got rid of Tonev. Bloody awful player, and after that business in Celtic we're well shot of him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on August 27, 2015, 10:54:59 AM

There are certainly some Lambert signings when you just have to wonder what he saw that we just couldn't. Mind you, he thought we were excellent when we were shipping fifteen goals in three games so I have to assume he was on some strong medication.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: warleyboy on August 27, 2015, 11:00:59 AM

I've ate my portions of humble pie in the past, and we definately have to give Ayew at least until Xmas.
But, if I'm honest, I really only see another Sinclair type player, which is ok, but compared to Amavi, Adama and Gueye, they are very skilful and talented players.
I think he will give his all though, and maybe the fact his bro is already banging them in for Swansea, he maybe putting more pressure on himself to get on the scoresheet.

Anyway more importantly, sign Lescott for 2 years, grab young bury keeper, get Loan striker and please buy a RB before window closes.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 27, 2015, 11:03:47 AM

I honestly can't see another RB coming in. Sherwood clearly rates Lambert and likes Hutton, and Crespo will be challenging them both once fit. We've also got Ricahrds who can play there (especially once Okore's fit and Lescott's hopefully signed) and young Niall Mason who can play there.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: in exile on August 27, 2015, 11:14:17 AM

Quote from: RussellC on August 27, 2015, 11:03:47 AM

I honestly can't see another RB coming in. Sherwood clearly rates Lambert...

Eh?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 27, 2015, 11:20:25 AM

Quote from: in exile on August 27, 2015, 11:14:17 AM

Quote from: RussellC on August 27, 2015, 11:03:47 AM

I honestly can't see another RB coming in. Sherwood clearly rates Lambert...

Eh?

Urgghhh, I've clearly got him on the brain. I obviously meant Bacuna. My train of thought prior to posting was that Bacuna has proven to be the only relatively successful signing from Lambert's European spending-spree 2 summers ago.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 27, 2015, 11:26:49 AM

Quote from: RussellC on August 27, 2015, 11:20:25 AM

Quote from: in exile on August 27, 2015, 11:14:17 AM

Quote from: RussellC on August 27, 2015, 11:03:47 AM

I honestly can't see another RB coming in. Sherwood clearly rates Lambert...

Eh?

Urgghhh, I've clearly got him on the brain. I obviously meant Bacuna. My train of thought prior to posting was that Bacuna has proven to be the only relatively successful signing from Lambert's European spending-spree 2 summers ago.

Harsh on Okore

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: in exile on August 27, 2015, 11:27:08 AM

Quote from: RussellC on August 27, 2015, 11:20:25 AM

Quote from: in exile on August 27, 2015, 11:14:17 AM

Quote from: RussellC on August 27, 2015, 11:03:47 AM

I honestly can't see another RB coming in. Sherwood clearly rates Lambert...

Eh?

Urgghhh, I've clearly got him on the brain. I obviously meant Bacuna. My train of thought prior to posting was that Bacuna has proven to be the only relatively successful signing from Lambert's European spending-spree 2 summers ago.

Thank god for that!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 27, 2015, 11:35:37 AM

Quote from: Dave on August 27, 2015, 11:26:49 AM

Quote from: RussellC on August 27, 2015, 11:20:25 AM

Quote from: in exile on August 27, 2015, 11:14:17 AM

Quote from: RussellC on August 27, 2015, 11:03:47 AM

I honestly can't see another RB coming in. Sherwood clearly rates Lambert...

Eh?

Urgghhh, I've clearly got him on the brain. I obviously meant Bacuna. My train of thought prior to posting was that Bacuna has proven to be the only relatively successful signing from Lambert's European spending-spree 2 summers ago.

Harsh on Okore

Yeah, maybe, but the injury's have held him back quite a bit. Time is on his side, so I'm still hopeful that he'll be a success, but if Lescott or A.N.Other centre-back does come-in, I can see him having a tough time trying to get back into the team this season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on August 27, 2015, 11:59:18 AM

When Okore is fit I wonder whether we could play him at RB.  Positives for me would be he can tackle, gives us more strength in the air, quite quick and it would give him more PL experience.  Providing that it is a defensive role behind a wide player, I think it could work.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on August 27, 2015, 12:05:32 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 27, 2015, 08:38:39 AM

Quote from: RussellC on August 27, 2015, 08:32:34 AM

Ayew's had 3 games! I think everyone needs to settle down a bit!!

Agree completely, 3 fucking games!

I think people have to understand that a lot of our buys are based on potential, not ready-made players.  I think he needs to be brought along slower rather than throw him in straight away as a starter

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 27, 2015, 12:08:30 PM

Quote from: old man villa fan on August 27, 2015, 11:59:18 AM

When Okore is fit I wonder whether we could play him at RB.  Positives for me would be he can tackle, gives us more strength in the air, quite quick and it would give him more PL experience.  Providing that it is a defensive role behind a wide player, I think it could work.

He's not great on the ball though, which is a problem for a full-back in the modern game. I think he'd do well on the right hand-side of a back 3 though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on August 27, 2015, 12:17:08 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 27, 2015, 12:08:30 PM

Quote from: old man villa fan on August 27, 2015, 11:59:18 AM

When Okore is fit I wonder whether we could play him at RB.  Positives for me would be he can tackle, gives us more strength in the air, quite quick and it would give him more PL experience.  Providing that it is a defensive role behind a wide player, I think it could work.

He's not great on the ball though, which is a problem for a full-back in the modern game. I think he'd do well on the right hand-side of a back 3 though.

I think it depends on whether he has to go up and down the line.  Before he came to us and in some games for us he has looked good at bringing the ball out of defence.  I do think we need a solid RB as I think our CB's are quite lightweight for the position and we are going to be using the left side for attacking. The latter point means that it would end as more of 3 at the back.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 27, 2015, 12:31:26 PM

Quote from: old man villa fan on August 27, 2015, 11:59:18 AM

When Okore is fit I wonder whether we could play him at RB.  Positives for me would be he can tackle, gives us more strength in the air, quite quick and it would give him more PL experience.  Providing that it is a defensive role behind a wide player, I think it could work.

Would definitely look at it as an option. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: in exile on August 27, 2015, 12:33:57 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on August 27, 2015, 12:31:26 PM

Quote from: old man villa fan on August 27, 2015, 11:59:18 AM

When Okore is fit I wonder whether we could play him at RB.  Positives for me would be he can tackle, gives us more strength in the air, quite quick and it would give him more PL experience.  Providing that it is a defensive role behind a wide player, I think it could work.

Would definitely look at it as an option.

Or if needs be he can play at CB while Richards goes to RB

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 27, 2015, 12:35:03 PM

I dont think we'll sign a RB and dont need one really as we have plenty that can play there reasonably well. Lescott yes, definately. Another striker permanently would be a bonus that i'd like to see happen. GK would be an additional bonus, and whilst i wouldnt be worried if we didn't sign one i wouldn't complain if we did.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 27, 2015, 01:07:38 PM

Quote from: supertom on August 27, 2015, 10:44:59 AM

Well I'm glad we've got rid of Tonev. Bloody awful player, and after that business in Celtic we're well shot of him.

On the downside, chances for fans in the Holte End and North Stand to touch the matchball will be greatly reduced. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on August 27, 2015, 01:09:57 PM

Do we really need another center half?  We have 4 once Okore is fit.  I'm all for a deep squad but 5 seems a bit much.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 27, 2015, 01:13:27 PM

Quote from: in exile on August 27, 2015, 12:33:57 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on August 27, 2015, 12:31:26 PM

Quote from: old man villa fan on August 27, 2015, 11:59:18 AM

When Okore is fit I wonder whether we could play him at RB.  Positives for me would be he can tackle, gives us more strength in the air, quite quick and it would give him more PL experience.  Providing that it is a defensive role behind a wide player, I think it could work.

Would definitely look at it as an option.

Or if needs be he can play at CB while Richards goes to RB

True, but I get the feeling that Richards is viewed as a CB now and won't be shifted about too much.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul richard on August 27, 2015, 01:15:48 PM

Okore at right back?  Really?  I have memories of Carlos Cuellar playing at right back under O'Neill.  Fish out of water.  No thanks.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 27, 2015, 01:16:14 PM

Quote from: chrisw1 on August 27, 2015, 01:09:57 PM

Do we really need another center half?  We have 4 once Okore is fit.  I'm all for a deep squad but 5 seems a bit much.

Look at the four we have got though.  All had their injury problems and in the case of Baker, not really good enough for top flight football. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: YamYamVilla on August 27, 2015, 01:17:52 PM

wtf is doing selling Tonev, who is going to shoot from 40 yards now & clear the stands? :)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 27, 2015, 01:21:49 PM

Quote from: chrisw1 on August 27, 2015, 01:09:57 PM

Do we really need another center half?  We have 4 once Okore is fit.  I'm all for a deep squad but 5 seems a bit much.

Don't we still have Senderos? So five.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Surrey Villain on August 27, 2015, 01:25:14 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on August 27, 2015, 01:16:14 PM

Quote from: chrisw1 on August 27, 2015, 01:09:57 PM

Do we really need another center half?  We have 4 once Okore is fit.  I'm all for a deep squad but 5 seems a bit much.

Look at the four we have got though.  All had their injury problems and in the case of Baker, not really good enough for top flight football. 

Didn't we have five last season but that was reduced to one at a time with injuries and suspensions. We also had Lowton who could play CB but didn't get to play at all.  So four or five is not too many.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on August 27, 2015, 01:26:55 PM

Quote from: paul richard on August 27, 2015, 01:15:48 PM

Okore at right back?  Really?  I have memories of Carlos Cuellar playing at right back under O'Neill.  Fish out of water.  No thanks.

What's Cuellar got to do with Okore?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 27, 2015, 01:35:21 PM

Quote from: Mister E on August 27, 2015, 01:26:55 PM

Quote from: paul richard on August 27, 2015, 01:15:48 PM

Okore at right back?  Really?  I have memories of Carlos Cuellar playing at right back under O'Neill.  Fish out of water.  No thanks.

What's Cuellar got to do with Okore?

Okore would be even more uncomfortable / limiting at right back than Cuellar ever was.

Okore could well develop into a really good centre back, but right back? No thanks.

If you were ever going to play Richards and Okore together on the right side of a back 4 it would have to be Richards at right back.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 27, 2015, 01:38:06 PM

I am hoping for Lescott, a striker and a pacy wide player (possibly on loan) before the window closes.  To be honest I wouldn't be too upset if we went down the MON transfer route and got in Lescott, Austin and Townsend (on loan).   

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on August 27, 2015, 01:50:14 PM

I'd like a keeper more than a winger.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on August 27, 2015, 01:54:04 PM

Quote from: paul richard on August 27, 2015, 01:15:48 PM

Okore at right back?  Really?  I have memories of Carlos Cuellar playing at right back under O'Neill.  Fish out of water.  No thanks.

Mellberg did ok at right back

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Lobsterboy on August 27, 2015, 02:03:22 PM

It looks like Tonev has officially left the building!

Sherwood is not doing a bad job at all of getting rid of some of the rubbish - safe to say we won't need to dip into the transfer market to replace this particular individual

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul richard on August 27, 2015, 02:20:25 PM

Mellberg did ok if you don't mind square pegs in round holes.  The point is that the role of full back requires a player to be athletic and pacy, with the ability to overlap and cross the ball and contribute offensively.  It's why Amavi will be a success at Villa, it's why Cuellar and Mellberg looked limited in the role, it's why Cissokho looked bloody awful last season and it's why Okore should not be considered for the role this season. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on August 27, 2015, 02:30:40 PM

Quote from: paul richard on August 27, 2015, 02:20:25 PM

Mellberg did ok if you don't mind square pegs in round holes.  The point is that the role of full back requires a player to be athletic and pacy, with the ability to overlap and cross the ball and contribute offensively.  It's why Amavi will be a success at Villa, it's why Cuellar and Mellberg looked limited in the role, it's why Cissokho looked bloody awful last season and it's why Okore should not be considered for the role this season.

You don't necessarily need both fullbacks to do that though, unless your system is dependent on them to provide width and create goalscoring opportunities. Amavi can be the more forward-thinking of the fullbacks and I think our attacking options are OK: so I don't mind having a RB that stays at home, providing that they do their job properly and comfortable in possession. Hutton's alright, but he's a bit slow for me and I don't trust him with ball at feet. Bacuna, well, there will be some occasions which suit him more than others, but his performance against Palace was almost as bad as Gabby's.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 27, 2015, 02:32:50 PM

Quote from: Lobsterboy on August 27, 2015, 02:03:22 PM

It looks like Tonev has officially left the building!

Sherwood is not doing a bad job at all of getting rid of some of the rubbish - safe to say we won't need to dip into the transfer market to replace this particular individual

I think that's 13 out of the door now.

10 that we wanted out of the door / were nonplussed as to stay or go
Given
Lowton
Vlaar
Cissokho
Stevens
Sylla
Weimann
Helenius
Bent
Tonev

2 that we wanted to keep
Benteke
Delph

1 we didn't know enough about
Burke.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 27, 2015, 02:37:50 PM

Kevin Nolan is available on a free.

**Runs off**

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 27, 2015, 02:41:04 PM

Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 27, 2015, 02:37:50 PM

Kevin Nolan is available on a free.

**Runs off**

Wonder what odds you'd get on him joining Sam Allardyce at Sunderland within the next few weeks?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 27, 2015, 02:49:25 PM

Antalyaspor have sign Jean Makoun. and Helen George, who stars in Call the Midwife, and SCD is a Villa fan!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 27, 2015, 02:50:36 PM

Allardyce would be a really good appointment for Sunderland because they wouldn't be in relegation trouble again. Allardyce has a very definite ceiling but he also has a pretty stable lowest point in his ability. A better version of Pulis so to speak. Can certainly see that happening not too long after we pan them this weekend and they lose a few more after. Advocaat will just walk deciding he doesn't need the grief.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 27, 2015, 02:52:05 PM

Quote from: Des Little on August 27, 2015, 01:50:14 PM

I'd like a keeper more than a winger.

True mate, but if we are going to go with a 4-3-3 or a 4-2-3-1 then we are short on wide options with only Traore, Sinclair and possibly Ayew to choose from.  I think sticking Grealish or Gil out there doesn't do them any favours, so I would look for an addition in that area, even if it's only on loan.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 27, 2015, 02:54:18 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 27, 2015, 02:49:25 PM

Antalyaspor have sign Jean Makoun. and Helen George, who stars in Call the Midwife, and SCD is a Villa fan!

How much did they pay for her?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on August 27, 2015, 03:33:13 PM

Quote from: passitsideways on August 27, 2015, 02:30:40 PM

Quote from: paul richard on August 27, 2015, 02:20:25 PM

Mellberg did ok if you don't mind square pegs in round holes.  The point is that the role of full back requires a player to be athletic and pacy, with the ability to overlap and cross the ball and contribute offensively.  It's why Amavi will be a success at Villa, it's why Cuellar and Mellberg looked limited in the role, it's why Cissokho looked bloody awful last season and it's why Okore should not be considered for the role this season.

You don't necessarily need both fullbacks to do that though, unless your system is dependent on them to provide width and create goalscoring opportunities. Amavi can be the more forward-thinking of the fullbacks and I think our attacking options are OK: so I don't mind having a RB that stays at home, providing that they do their job properly and comfortable in possession. Hutton's alright, but he's a bit slow for me and I don't trust him with ball at feet. Bacuna, well, there will be some occasions which suit him more than others, but his performance against Palace was almost as bad as Gabby's.

With Adama marauding down the right and not appearing to be someone who's looking for an overlapping fullback as support, there's no need for Villa's right back to be attack minded.

I'm not saying that McCafu is great, but he should be able to do a job as a stay-at-home defender.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on August 27, 2015, 03:36:34 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 27, 2015, 02:50:36 PM

Allardyce would be a really good appointment for Sunderland because they wouldn't be in relegation trouble again. Allardyce has a very definite ceiling but he also has a pretty stable lowest point in his ability. A better version of Pulis so to speak. Can certainly see that happening not too long after we pan them this weekend and they lose a few more after. Advocaat will just walk deciding he doesn't need the grief.

 I was surprised when Advocaat re-signed for this season. I can understand older managers staying/joining successful teams (eg Wenger and Siralex) but, at 67, I wouldn't want the hassle of managing a struggling/rebuilding team like Sunderland (or Villa, for that matter)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 27, 2015, 03:53:26 PM

It's odd that Sunderland would want a manager for just one year too. I can't imagine it being very attractive to prospective new signings. I quite like Sunderland as a club, but there's a part of me that think they deserve to go down this year, based on just how poor they were at times last season, and at the beginning of this. I felt a little bit sorry for Hull, who never had periods of shipping loads of goals in the way that Sunderland did, but still managed to finish just below them.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Lobsterboy on August 27, 2015, 04:02:12 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on August 27, 2015, 02:32:50 PM

Quote from: Lobsterboy on August 27, 2015, 02:03:22 PM

It looks like Tonev has officially left the building!

Sherwood is not doing a bad job at all of getting rid of some of the rubbish - safe to say we won't need to dip into the transfer market to replace this particular individual

I think that's 13 out of the door now.

10 that we wanted out of the door / were nonplussed as to stay or go
Given
Lowton
Vlaar
Cissokho
Stevens
Sylla
Weimann
Helenius
Bent
Tonev

2 that we wanted to keep
Benteke
Delph

1 we didn't know enough about
Burke.

You could probably add Luna and Herd to the list of players gone that we're not losing any sleep over...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 27, 2015, 04:05:22 PM

You only have to look at Advocaats recent interviews to know that he isn't a happy man at Sunderland particularly with the lack of decent funds for transfers. He'll walk by the end of October...if not sooner.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 27, 2015, 04:06:36 PM

Bloody hell, you're right.

Make that 15 out of the door.  I know some of them were out on loan last season, but even so, that's approaching a complete match day squad, which he might still manage if he manages to move N'Zogbia, Kozak and Richardson on as it's rumoured he wants to.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 27, 2015, 04:08:15 PM

Apparently Albert Adomah has handed in a transfer-request at Middlesboro. I've always thought that he looked a good player, and can operate anywhere on the right-handside. He's 27 and coming into his prime and, dare I say it, an upgrade on Bacuna?! We could do with another African player int he squad, too.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34075664

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 27, 2015, 04:08:20 PM

If Richardson is moved on then the only cover at LB is Bennett...is that worth the risk?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: bobdylan on August 27, 2015, 04:11:58 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on August 27, 2015, 02:32:50 PM

Quote from: Lobsterboy on August 27, 2015, 02:03:22 PM

It looks like Tonev has officially left the building!

Sherwood is not doing a bad job at all of getting rid of some of the rubbish - safe to say we won't need to dip into the transfer market to replace this particular individual

I think that's 13 out of the door now.

10 that we wanted out of the door / were nonplussed as to stay or go
Given
Lowton
Vlaar
Cissokho
Stevens
Sylla
Weimann
Helenius
Bent
Tonev

2 that we wanted to keep
Benteke
Delph

1 we didn't know enough about
Burke.

Herd has left as well so it's 14 out and 10 in, or 11 if you count young Mason.  We have 27 over 21s in the squad plus young Jack and Traore, at the very most given we're not in Europe we want 25 over 25s plus those 2, even that's probably a bit heavy when you hear Mourinho talking about having a squad of 22/23 and they're in the champs league also.  So if we can miraculously shift Senderos and N'Zogbia, we'd still need to shift 2/3 more on top just to bring in 2/3. Steer on loan could be one and then maybe loans for the likes of Baker, Kozak and Gardner, then they can take the squad places of Richardson and Cole on their return next summer, and N'Zog if he doesn't leave now.  I can see Tim wanting to shift 5 so he can bring in a couple of loans and at least one more permanently, centre half, striker and winger probably.  8 ins and outs between now and Tuesday seems unlikely though.  If he had his way I think he'd also replace Guzan and Hutton as well, but I doubt that will be possible in this window.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 27, 2015, 04:13:14 PM

Quote from: KRS on August 27, 2015, 04:08:20 PM

If Richardson is moved on then the only cover at LB is Bennett...is that worth the risk?

I think Crespo can cover LB too (as can Clark and Baker in an emergency) and Sherwood seems to rate Lewis Kinsella. He also played N'Zogbia there against Burnley, worryingly. I don't think we'd miss Richardson much.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: bobdylan on August 27, 2015, 04:15:24 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 27, 2015, 04:13:14 PM

Quote from: KRS on August 27, 2015, 04:08:20 PM

If Richardson is moved on then the only cover at LB is Bennett...is that worth the risk?

I think Crespo can cover LB too (as can Clark and Baker in an emergency) and Sherwood seems to rate Lewis Kinsella. He also played N'Zogbia there against Burnley, worryingly. I don't think we'd miss Richardson much.

True, and the centre halves we're being linked with can also operate there, Lescott being one and I forget the name of the other foreign one.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 27, 2015, 04:23:15 PM

Hmmm not exactly excited by those cover options at LB...in fact it makes me worry even more knowing how slow they both are...in addition Baker is still prone to mistakes and gets caught out of position far too many times for my liking (example: running 20yds to win a header in the left midfield position on the half way line only for Notts County to put a through ball to their centre forward where he should have been in the first place). Baker is a liability at the moment and needs to go out on loan.

With regards to loans...isnt the loan window open for an extra month after transfer deadline so we could still ship a few out on loan during September?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 27, 2015, 04:25:06 PM

We can also still bringing under 21s on loan. If all else fails with a striker I think we'll go for James Wilson on loan from Utd. Similarly I could see us making a real 'out of nowhere' loan signing like Ruben Loftus Cheek at Chelsea.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 27, 2015, 04:27:21 PM

Re: left-back; Amavi first choice, Bennett back-up, Crespo third choice, one of Clark, Lescott, Baker or Kinsella in an emergency. I really don’t think it’s a priority area. Besides, what kind of player could we tempt to the club knowing that those may be our current options?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 27, 2015, 04:29:32 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 27, 2015, 04:27:21 PM

Re: left-back; Amavi first choice, Bennett back-up, Crespo third choice, one of Clark, Lescott, Baker or Kinsella in an emergency. I really don’t think it’s a priority area. Besides, what kind of player could we tempt to the club knowing that those may be our current options?

I agree.

Bennet and/or Crespo as back up are fine.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: bobdylan on August 27, 2015, 04:32:57 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 27, 2015, 04:29:32 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 27, 2015, 04:27:21 PM

Re: left-back; Amavi first choice, Bennett back-up, Crespo third choice, one of Clark, Lescott, Baker or Kinsella in an emergency. I really don’t think it’s a priority area. Besides, what kind of player could we tempt to the club knowing that those may be our current options?

I agree.

Bennet and/or Crespo as back up are fine.

Also it may well be that someone comes in for Bennett rather than Richardson by Tuesday and he goes instead, I doubt Tim is overly fussed which one will be back up this year, both are ok.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 27, 2015, 04:46:16 PM

I think Bennett will appeal more to Sherwood, even more so after his cameo on Tuesday. He's still got time on his side, and i think Sherwood might see him as a bit of a project, similar to Ryan Mason.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 27, 2015, 04:53:30 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 27, 2015, 04:46:16 PM

I think Bennett will appeal more to Sherwood, even more so after his cameo on Tuesday. He's still got time on his side, and i think Sherwood might see him as a bit of a project, similar to Ryan Mason.

I think you could be right there.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 27, 2015, 09:00:00 PM

Berahino told he can't leave. Toys pram out

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: DeeBoy1 on August 27, 2015, 09:15:49 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 27, 2015, 09:00:00 PM

Berahino told he can't leave. Toys pram out

Find the whole thing bizarre. Once someone hands a transfer request in, especially someone who has the apparent attitude (I'm basing that purely on the media persona tbf) Berahino has then it's time to cash in. Stones is different as he seems a good egg and his manager has always said he wasn't for sale. Pulis pretty much said that there's a chance Berahino may go so it does seem a little bit like they're messing him about...I would 100% take him if there was any chance

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 27, 2015, 09:20:53 PM

It's probably just peace trying leak a few more millions out of Levy

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 27, 2015, 10:21:09 PM

Levy will get bored and move onto other targets...I'd be very surprised if he lets Peace mug him off like this and theres no way Berahino is worth more than what they've put on the table. Big mistake for Baggies not to cash in on Berahino...they could have bought 3 very decent players and guaranteed staying up, but now they could be definite relegation candidates. Just a shame Pulis has them so well drilled at anti-football so they don't concede but may knick the odd goal and 3pts. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 27, 2015, 10:24:04 PM

Peace will definitely blink first, as he's already let Pulis spend the money.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: DeeBoy1 on August 27, 2015, 10:29:13 PM

I'd be quite happy to see Levy p*ss off Peace and us swoop in....I do think we need another main striker and whilst Austin seems a great fit there's alot of reports about him not fancying the Midlands. I've definitely decided Ade's heart wouldn't be in it otherwise he'd be here by now.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on August 27, 2015, 10:42:31 PM

If we do not get another striker. I think Kozak could do a job for us. He changed the game on Tuesday and has a lot to offer off the ball. Gestede can be played with him on occasions in a 4-4-2 as Troare and Amavi will be getting the ball in the box on a commercial level. Ayew can then be slowly brought into the team when Sherwood wants to change formations .....

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy65 on August 27, 2015, 10:45:30 PM

Quote from: DeeBoy1 on August 27, 2015, 09:15:49 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 27, 2015, 09:00:00 PM

Berahino told he can't leave. Toys pram out

Find the whole thing bizarre. Once someone hands a transfer request in, especially someone who has the apparent attitude (I'm basing that purely on the media persona tbf) Berahino has then it's time to cash in. Stones is different as he seems a good egg and his manager has always said he wasn't for sale. Pulis pretty much said that there's a chance Berahino may go so it does seem a little bit like they're messing him about...I would 100% take him if there was any chance

Is he actually any good

He will end up going for close to £20m. Much prefer christian at £32m. Better player,  better attitude,better scoring record and established full international

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 27, 2015, 10:49:12 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on August 27, 2015, 10:42:31 PM

If we do not get another striker. I think Kozak could do a job for us. He changed the game on Tuesday and has a lot to offer off the ball. Gestede can be played with him on occasions in a 4-4-2 as Troare and Amavi will be getting the ball in the box on a commercial level. Ayew can then be slowly brought into the team when Sherwood wants to change formations .....

No disrespect intended to any of our current forwards but I don't think any of them have got what it takes to prolific goal scorers in the PL. Its early days but we look completely clueless and statuesque in the final 3rd of the pitch so we do need to sign someone with pace, skills, movement and an eye for goal.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 27, 2015, 10:59:27 PM

We saw that with Benteke, Spurs are all fart and no shit. They'll probably run home now that the mean football club hasn't given into their valuation.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 27, 2015, 11:06:22 PM

The Market in UK are too expensive and silly money these days and too many English hot prospects is too expensive and unreliable. Carry on shopping in Spain, France, Italy, Germany, Hollland Mr Sherwood.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 27, 2015, 11:22:22 PM

Quote from: KRS on August 27, 2015, 10:21:09 PM

Levy will get bored and move onto other targets...I'd be very surprised if he lets Peace mug him off like this and theres no way Berahino is worth more than what they've put on the table. Big mistake for Baggies not to cash in on Berahino...they could have bought 3 very decent players and guaranteed staying up, but now they could be definite relegation candidates. Just a shame Pulis has them so well drilled at anti-football so they don't concede but may knick the odd goal and 3pts. 

Pulis would probably just spend the cash on 5 centre backs, the anti-football hobbit.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 27, 2015, 11:25:38 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 27, 2015, 11:22:22 PM

Quote from: KRS on August 27, 2015, 10:21:09 PM

Levy will get bored and move onto other targets...I'd be very surprised if he lets Peace mug him off like this and theres no way Berahino is worth more than what they've put on the table. Big mistake for Baggies not to cash in on Berahino...they could have bought 3 very decent players and guaranteed staying up, but now they could be definite relegation candidates. Just a shame Pulis has them so well drilled at anti-football so they don't concede but may knick the odd goal and 3pts. 

Pulis would probably just spend the cash on 5 centre backs, the anti-football hobbit.

I think Pulis has already spent it.

Mostly on Rickety Lambert and Soggy Condom.
Just wait until Stoke let on that Crouch is available over the weekend.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 27, 2015, 11:27:30 PM

Tbf its good Spurs are being told ! As they try and charge over the odds. Levy being rumbled. Quite a few teams need a hot striker and personally berhanio is quality striker and knows where the goal is.

Anyway on to fill a would be nice to see two or three more in so fingers crossed . could imagine a loan for some premier league player and a couple of money signings

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 27, 2015, 11:27:38 PM

How has Sherwood managed to bin off so much shite when Lambert couldn't?

You look through the list of players who've gone and Benteke apart, there's little quality in there at all. Frighteningly poor really.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 27, 2015, 11:29:31 PM

Quote from: Ads on August 27, 2015, 11:27:38 PM

How has Sherwood managed to bin off so much shite when Lambert couldn't?

You look through the list of players who've gone and Benteke apart, there's little quality in there at all. Frighteningly poor really.

When we sold Weimann for 2.5m, I felt a weird sort of sensation go through my body. Like when older people shiver and then say "ooh, someone just walked across my grave". That sort of thing.

It was basically because I'd totally forgotten what it was like to sell a player you don't want any more and receive actual money back in return for them, rather than just letting them rot and run out of contract as we'd otherwise done for so long.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 27, 2015, 11:37:03 PM

Lambert tried to be their mates as he tried to sell them. That is, he told them he had to sell them, wasn't going to work very hard to make it happen, and if they didn't want to go not to worry as he'd make sure they enjoyed a comfortable gig, "training" and picking up their pay. I imagine by comparison Sherwood has been far more ruthless and told them the truth; worked hard with his team and the agents to move them on.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 27, 2015, 11:38:55 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 27, 2015, 11:37:03 PM

Lambert tried to be their mates as he tried to sell them. That is, he told them he had to sell them, wasn't going to work very hard to make it happen, and if they didn't want to go not to worry as he'd make sure they enjoyed a comfortable gig, "training" and picking up their pay. I imagine by comparison Sherwood has been far more ruthless and told them the truth; worked hard with his team and the agents to move them on.

I'd like that to be true - because Lambert is a c*** - but that strikes me as just wishful thinking.

I've a very low opinion of Lambert, but I find it incredibly hard to believe he'd have been like that.

i suspect the change is at least as much to do with having a new CEO as it is a new manager.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 27, 2015, 11:40:23 PM

I wonder if it's more likely to be the case that we have a contracts man now who is giving them the hook, rather than Lambert doing everything.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestionsy
Post by: footyskillz on August 27, 2015, 11:43:03 PM

I also enjoy it if Chelsea don't get stones I dislike very much these clubs who come in and try and take players I like a more competitive premier league. Southampton are a great eg of keep it going despite sales. Well last season anyway. That said I'd like villa to make  moves on fonte ,  vardy schemeicel as villa bigger than these Leicester and soton even a Bid for begavic if we don't get schemeicle

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 27, 2015, 11:43:36 PM

Quote from: Ads on August 27, 2015, 11:40:23 PM

I wonder if it's more likely to be the case that we have a contracts man now who is giving them the hook, rather than Lambert doing everything.

That, basically.

If it really was left to Lambert to do stuff like that, then that's awful organisation. Of exactly the sort we've seen for several years until recently. I find it really hard to believe it's all Lambert's fault.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 27, 2015, 11:44:20 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on August 27, 2015, 11:43:03 PM

I also enjoy it if Chelsea don't get stones I dislike very much these clubs who come in and try and take players I like a more competitive premier league. Southampton are a great eg of keep it going despite sales. Well last season anyway. That said I'd like villa to make  moves on fonte ,  vardy schemeicel as villa bigger than these Leicester and soton even a Bid for begavic if we don't get schemeicle

You reckon Chelsea are going to sell us Begovic a few weeks after buying him?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 27, 2015, 11:44:38 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 27, 2015, 11:38:55 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 27, 2015, 11:37:03 PM

Lambert tried to be their mates as he tried to sell them. That is, he told them he had to sell them, wasn't going to work very hard to make it happen, and if they didn't want to go not to worry as he'd make sure they enjoyed a comfortable gig, "training" and picking up their pay. I imagine by comparison Sherwood has been far more ruthless and told them the truth; worked hard with his team and the agents to move them on.

I'd like that to be true - because Lambert is a c*** - but that strikes me as just wishful thinking.

I've a very low opinion of Lambert, but I find it incredibly hard to believe he'd have been like that.

i suspect the change is at least as much to do with having a new CEO as it is a new manager.

I'll grant you that I might have been somewhat liberal with the truth but the fact that so many players during that period spoke highly of Lambert didn't sit well with me. Like how Hutton retained a really good relationship with the manager, or Bent or Given. I accept it started with Randy and Faulkner but the manager has to be part of the process and it never struck me that he was. Or at least he didn't put the required effort into moving those players on.

Ps - it does help we have more help at the club. That it was so thin at executive level and the coaching staff was just ludicrous for a PL club.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 27, 2015, 11:46:36 PM

I don't think there's anything wrong with the players respecting the manager. I think the problem previously was whichever fucking idiot decided on that "bomb squad" policy.

If it was Lambert, then it's his fault. If it wasn't him, then he's spineless for not pointing out the sheer stupidity of it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 27, 2015, 11:59:32 PM

I'd imagine the process has been something along the lines of:

a) player and agent get called into office for meeting with TS, legal team and contracts manager present
b) player and agent are told in no uncertain terms that the players services are no longer required for X, Y and Z reasons

The clubs position is made clear, the player is placed on the transfer list, and both the player and agent knowing they need to find a new club if the player wants to actually have a career in which he plays football. This wouldn't have happened under Lambert.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on August 28, 2015, 12:30:14 AM

Quote from: UK Redsox on August 27, 2015, 03:33:13 PM

Quote from: passitsideways on August 27, 2015, 02:30:40 PM

Quote from: paul richard on August 27, 2015, 02:20:25 PM

Mellberg did ok if you don't mind square pegs in round holes.  The point is that the role of full back requires a player to be athletic and pacy, with the ability to overlap and cross the ball and contribute offensively.  It's why Amavi will be a success at Villa, it's why Cuellar and Mellberg looked limited in the role, it's why Cissokho looked bloody awful last season and it's why Okore should not be considered for the role this season.

You don't necessarily need both fullbacks to do that though, unless your system is dependent on them to provide width and create goalscoring opportunities. Amavi can be the more forward-thinking of the fullbacks and I think our attacking options are OK: so I don't mind having a RB that stays at home, providing that they do their job properly and comfortable in possession. Hutton's alright, but he's a bit slow for me and I don't trust him with ball at feet. Bacuna, well, there will be some occasions which suit him more than others, but his performance against Palace was almost as bad as Gabby's.

With Adama marauding down the right and not appearing to be someone who's looking for an overlapping fullback as support, there's no need for Villa's right back to be attack minded.

I'm not saying that McCafu is great, but he should be able to do a job as a stay-at-home defender.

It's not that you need an overlapping full-back but one who can support Adama. If Adama gets crowded out you want the right-back to either be able to put the cross in or take a player on himself. obviously the defensive side is arguably more important but I think we'd be better suited as a genuine attacking threat to have a right-back who can do the overlapping job if and when needed but can fully support Adama when we attack.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 28, 2015, 12:49:53 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 27, 2015, 11:43:36 PM

Quote from: Ads on August 27, 2015, 11:40:23 PM

I wonder if it's more likely to be the case that we have a contracts man now who is giving them the hook, rather than Lambert doing everything.

That, basically.

If it really was left to Lambert to do stuff like that, then that's awful organisation. Of exactly the sort we've seen for several years until recently. I find it really hard to believe it's all Lambert's fault.

Wouldn't the fact that the players were not on crazy wages in the first place also be a factor?  The players lambert tried to get rid of were largely on ridiculous contracts - Bent/Hutton/Given - and therefore there's little incentive for them to leave as no club would match their deal.  The fact that Nzogbia is still here even supports this theory.

Ironically Sherwood may have benefitted from Lambert's shrewdness.  Hmmm maybe that's stretching it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 28, 2015, 01:58:40 AM

I honestly am coming to believe Lambert had a "If I ignore it, it will go away" attitude to problems combined with a "I am the gaffer, leave the football side to me" sense of not needing any help.

So the bomb squad and not selling players just fell out of that philosophy.

All Sherwood really had to do is to break one of those flaws and selling players becomes easier. My hunch is he solved both. He seems very direct with players, he has said he has told people who are surplus but more importantly he knows he can't do it all and so has offloaded the issue of actually finding homes for these new players to the professionals within the club, either Fox or whoever.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Mister E on August 28, 2015, 07:16:22 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 27, 2015, 11:38:55 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 27, 2015, 11:37:03 PM

Lambert tried to be their mates as he tried to sell them. That is, he told them he had to sell them, wasn't going to work very hard to make it happen, and if they didn't want to go not to worry as he'd make sure they enjoyed a comfortable gig, "training" and picking up their pay. I imagine by comparison Sherwood has been far more ruthless and told them the truth; worked hard with his team and the agents to move them on.

I'd like that to be true - because Lambert is a c*** - but that strikes me as just wishful thinking.

I've a very low opinion of Lambert, but I find it incredibly hard to believe he'd have been like that.

i suspect the change is at least as much to do with having a new CEO as it is a new manager.

I suspect it's more that most of them are now nearing the end of their contract. They and their agents have milked the Villla and can accept the likelihood of moving on.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 28, 2015, 07:42:35 AM

I go with ciggies theory of how it all came about. The malaise of laissez faire grew empirically like mildew on damp wallpaper. I think it seeped down from the top. The absentee owner allowed a culture of policy on the hoof to establish itself. As Damon put it "Mr Lerner is on the golf course but if you call back in three hours he will be in the clubhouse and will take your call". With the cat away the mice could play.  All organisations with absentee or flaccid leadership lapse into tittle tattle and petty vendettas. The present Labour Party is a classic example and I speak as a card carrying member of the party. The Church of England is another.
The first person to take a muck rake to the Aegean stables was Tom Fox who probably does not even bother to phone the golf course. He, with his man Sherwood is simply getting on with running the club competently.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OzVilla on August 28, 2015, 08:05:27 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on August 27, 2015, 11:43:03 PM

I also enjoy it if Chelsea don't get stones I dislike very much these clubs who come in and try and take players I like a more competitive premier league. Southampton are a great eg of keep it going despite sales. Well last season anyway. That said I'd like villa to make  moves on fonte ,  vardy schemeicel as villa bigger than these Leicester and soton even a Bid for begavic if we don't get schemeicle

I read this post earlier on my mobile and the screen size didn't allow me to view the posters name. Half way through I knew it was footyskillz.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 28, 2015, 08:07:01 AM

Quote from: brian green on August 28, 2015, 07:42:35 AM

The first person to take a muck rake to the Aegean stables was Tom Fox who probably does not even bother to phone the golf course. He, with his man Sherwood is simply getting on with running the club competently.

Both should be applauded for the sensible, systematic approach to getting the club back on its feet. It may take a few months but I'm sure we will see a big difference.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Witton Warrior on August 28, 2015, 08:15:48 AM

Quote from: brian green on August 28, 2015, 07:42:35 AM

I go with ciggies theory of how it all came about. The malaise of laissez faire grew empirically like mildew on damp wallpaper. I think it seeped down from the top. The absentee owner allowed a culture of policy on the hoof to establish itself. As Damon put it "Mr Lerner is on the golf course but if you call back in three hours he will be in the clubhouse and will take your call". With the cat away the mice could play.  All organisations with absentee or flaccid leadership lapse into tittle tattle and petty vendettas. The present Labour Party is a classic example and I speak as a card carrying member of the party. The Church of England is another.
The first person to take a muck rake to the Aegean stables was Tom Fox who probably does not even bother to phone the golf course. He, with his man Sherwood is simply getting on with running the club competently.

Right or wrong that's fooking poetry that Brian  ;-)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 28, 2015, 08:16:00 AM

I've said it time and time again, but Lerner's biggest mistake has been the lack of continuity in his recruitment. The money that we've wasted, not only in changing management / coaching teams (from MON to Houllier to McLeish to Lambert to Sherwood) and the botched attempts at squad overhauls on each occasions, has been frightening. It may be a bit of a stretch to credit the (perceived) turn around to one guy, but Tom Fox certainly seems to have made a difference at the club.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 28, 2015, 08:55:21 AM

Ray Wilkins was on Talksport earlier and said that he expects more transfer activity at Villa Park before the close of the window.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: AV82EC on August 28, 2015, 09:38:52 AM

Quote from: tomd2103 on August 28, 2015, 08:55:21 AM

Ray Wilkins was on Talksport earlier and said that he expects more transfer activity at Villa Park before the close of the window.

Oh Ray you tease!!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on August 28, 2015, 09:40:25 AM

Quote from: Witton Warrior on August 28, 2015, 08:15:48 AM

Quote from: brian green on August 28, 2015, 07:42:35 AM

I go with ciggies theory of how it all came about. The malaise of laissez faire grew empirically like mildew on damp wallpaper. I think it seeped down from the top. The absentee owner allowed a culture of policy on the hoof to establish itself. As Damon put it "Mr Lerner is on the golf course but if you call back in three hours he will be in the clubhouse and will take your call". With the cat away the mice could play.  All organisations with absentee or flaccid leadership lapse into tittle tattle and petty vendettas. The present Labour Party is a classic example and I speak as a card carrying member of the party. The Church of England is another.
The first person to take a muck rake to the Aegean stables was Tom Fox who probably does not even bother to phone the golf course. He, with his man Sherwood is simply getting on with running the club competently.

Right or wrong that's fooking poetry that Brian  ;-)

you're not allowed phones in the clubhouse on the type of courses Lerner will be playing........ :-)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 28, 2015, 09:52:09 AM

Quote from: tomd2103 on August 28, 2015, 08:55:21 AM

Ray Wilkins was on Talksport earlier and said that he expects more transfer activity at Villa Park before the close of the window.

Good.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 28, 2015, 09:53:29 AM

If Senderos stays, and is fit, then even if we only got a striker I would be happy enough but we need that striker.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 28, 2015, 09:53:56 AM

Quote from: tomd2103 on August 28, 2015, 08:55:21 AM

Ray Wilkins was on Talksport earlier and said that he expects more transfer activity at Villa Park before the close of the window.

Did he say outgoing or incoming

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on August 28, 2015, 09:56:10 AM

Quote from: KRS on August 27, 2015, 11:59:32 PM

I'd imagine the process has been something along the lines of:

a) player and agent get called into office for meeting with TS, legal team and contracts manager present
b) player and agent are told in no uncertain terms that the players services are no longer required for X, Y and Z reasons

The clubs position is made clear, the player is placed on the transfer list, and both the player and agent knowing they need to find a new club if the player wants to actually have a career in which he plays football. This wouldn't have happened under Lambert.

That sounds exactly like the much maligned bomb squad to me?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 28, 2015, 09:59:17 AM

Basically Lerner is doing now what he should have done when he first came which is letting people run the club who have experience of running a football club.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 28, 2015, 10:12:04 AM

Quote from: tomd2103 on August 28, 2015, 08:55:21 AM

Ray Wilkins was on Talksport earlier and said that he expects more transfer activity at Villa Park before the close of the window.

Great question from John Hartson whilst that fat wanker and illiterate cretin Alan Brazil just wanted to talk about Chelsea. Arsepipe. Ray said, I think there may be a little bit more business to be done. He was referring to incoming transfers. Very articulate man. Alan Brazil a very fat, constant interupter shit presenter type of man.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 28, 2015, 10:30:41 AM

I've often wondered how Alan Brazil is still employed on national radio, he's so bad. He's basically a moron who happens to have a radio-friendly voice.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: spangley1812 on August 28, 2015, 10:31:35 AM

The Villa boss was coy on any potential transfer activity. He was cool on suggestions  of Joleon Lescott coming in from WBA. He says if a suitable player becomes available then they may do something  but there's no NEED to bring new faces in.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 28, 2015, 10:35:59 AM

Quote from: RussellC on August 28, 2015, 10:30:41 AM

I've often wondered how Alan Brazil is still employed on national radio, he's so bad. He's basically a moron who happens to have a radio-friendly voice.

I think he's the worst presenter of the worst show on there. There seemed to be a cockney sounding advert every 5 minutes last time I heard it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 28, 2015, 10:44:43 AM

Quote from: chrisw1 on August 28, 2015, 09:56:10 AM

Quote from: KRS on August 27, 2015, 11:59:32 PM

I'd imagine the process has been something along the lines of:

a) player and agent get called into office for meeting with TS, legal team and contracts manager present
b) player and agent are told in no uncertain terms that the players services are no longer required for X, Y and Z reasons

The clubs position is made clear, the player is placed on the transfer list, and both the player and agent knowing they need to find a new club if the player wants to actually have a career in which he plays football. This wouldn't have happened under Lambert.

That sounds exactly like the much maligned bomb squad to me?

The bomb squad would have been more like Lambert simply ignoring them in the corridors, putting a piece of paper on the wall and the players finding out that they're on the list to train with the kids with no explanation.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 28, 2015, 10:49:21 AM

If we can get N'Zogbia's reputed 68k a week off the books, surely that gives scope for one or two to come in?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 28, 2015, 10:51:15 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 28, 2015, 09:53:56 AM

Quote from: tomd2103 on August 28, 2015, 08:55:21 AM

Ray Wilkins was on Talksport earlier and said that he expects more transfer activity at Villa Park before the close of the window.

Did he say outgoing or incoming

I can't remember how exactly he phrased it, but he did suggest they are still looking to bring players in.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 28, 2015, 10:52:24 AM

I commented to a mate yesterday that on the other twosome from moronville, Durham and Thick Northern twat Gough. Monday

"My question is to all United fans, Is United and Rooney finished"

Thursday

"Does this result prove Rooney is back"

Utter wankshite on what is becoming United FM

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 28, 2015, 10:57:41 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 28, 2015, 12:49:53 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 27, 2015, 11:43:36 PM

Quote from: Ads on August 27, 2015, 11:40:23 PM

I wonder if it's more likely to be the case that we have a contracts man now who is giving them the hook, rather than Lambert doing everything.

That, basically.

If it really was left to Lambert to do stuff like that, then that's awful organisation. Of exactly the sort we've seen for several years until recently. I find it really hard to believe it's all Lambert's fault.

Wouldn't the fact that the players were not on crazy wages in the first place also be a factor?  The players lambert tried to get rid of were largely on ridiculous contracts - Bent/Hutton/Given - and therefore there's little incentive for them to leave as no club would match their deal.  The fact that Nzogbia is still here even supports this theory.

Ironically Sherwood may have benefitted from Lambert's shrewdness.  Hmmm maybe that's stretching it.

The failure to move players on goes back much further than Lambert, though.

Look at all the shit we had from the MON years on good money but not getting used, whose contracts were just allowed to expire. The waste on people like Heskey, NRC, Habib Beye.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 28, 2015, 10:59:54 AM

Quote from: Hookeysmith on August 28, 2015, 10:52:24 AM

I commented to a mate yesterday that on the other twosome from moronville, Durham and Thick Northern twat Gough. Monday

"My question is to all United fans, Is United and Rooney finished"

Thursday

"Does this result prove Rooney is back"

Utter wankshite on what is becoming United FM

The strange thing about Adrian Durham is that if you listen to him when he does their live stuff on a Saturday afternoon, where he isn't forced to fit into some sort of witty pairing with the likes of Darren Gough, he's actually pretty good. He makes me think there's actually a decent journalist in there.

Darren Gough, though, fucking hell. He's surely the thickest person on national radio? Except possibly Micky Quinn. He can barely string a sentence together. Listening to him massacre the English language with all that "the team what started the match" style stuff makes me want to snap something in half.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 28, 2015, 11:10:16 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 28, 2015, 10:57:41 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 28, 2015, 12:49:53 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 27, 2015, 11:43:36 PM

Quote from: Ads on August 27, 2015, 11:40:23 PM

I wonder if it's more likely to be the case that we have a contracts man now who is giving them the hook, rather than Lambert doing everything.

That, basically.

If it really was left to Lambert to do stuff like that, then that's awful organisation. Of exactly the sort we've seen for several years until recently. I find it really hard to believe it's all Lambert's fault.

Wouldn't the fact that the players were not on crazy wages in the first place also be a factor?  The players lambert tried to get rid of were largely on ridiculous contracts - Bent/Hutton/Given - and therefore there's little incentive for them to leave as no club would match their deal.  The fact that Nzogbia is still here even supports this theory.

Ironically Sherwood may have benefitted from Lambert's shrewdness.  Hmmm maybe that's stretching it.

The failure to move players on goes back much further than Lambert, though.

Look at all the shit we had from the MON years on good money but not getting used, whose contracts were just allowed to expire. The waste on people like Heskey, NRC, Habib Beye.

That was kind of my point.  Sherwood has benefitted because players are no-longer on such lucrative contracts.  That policy of more realistic wages probably started under Lambert.  Whereas Lambert was handicapped by the big contracts handed out by MON/Houllier.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 28, 2015, 11:19:00 AM

Where has this £68k per week figure come from with N'Zogbia?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 28, 2015, 11:23:48 AM

Quote from: tomd2103 on August 28, 2015, 10:51:15 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 28, 2015, 09:53:56 AM

Quote from: tomd2103 on August 28, 2015, 08:55:21 AM

Ray Wilkins was on Talksport earlier and said that he expects more transfer activity at Villa Park before the close of the window.

Did he say outgoing or incoming

I can't remember how exactly he phrased it, but he did suggest they are still looking to bring players in.

Kevin chicken dance Nolan released by west ham and always looked good in claret and blue. Model pro would be useful . who's aboard the Nolan train with me:-)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 28, 2015, 11:24:37 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 28, 2015, 11:10:16 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 28, 2015, 10:57:41 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 28, 2015, 12:49:53 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 27, 2015, 11:43:36 PM

Quote from: Ads on August 27, 2015, 11:40:23 PM

I wonder if it's more likely to be the case that we have a contracts man now who is giving them the hook, rather than Lambert doing everything.

That, basically.

If it really was left to Lambert to do stuff like that, then that's awful organisation. Of exactly the sort we've seen for several years until recently. I find it really hard to believe it's all Lambert's fault.

Wouldn't the fact that the players were not on crazy wages in the first place also be a factor?  The players lambert tried to get rid of were largely on ridiculous contracts - Bent/Hutton/Given - and therefore there's little incentive for them to leave as no club would match their deal.  The fact that Nzogbia is still here even supports this theory.

Ironically Sherwood may have benefitted from Lambert's shrewdness.  Hmmm maybe that's stretching it.

The failure to move players on goes back much further than Lambert, though.

Look at all the shit we had from the MON years on good money but not getting used, whose contracts were just allowed to expire. The waste on people like Heskey, NRC, Habib Beye.

That was kind of my point.  Sherwood has benefitted because players are no-longer on such lucrative contracts.  That policy of more realistic wages probably started under Lambert.  Whereas Lambert was handicapped by the big contracts handed out by MON/Houllier.

And McLeish. The mad thing is we were supposedly in full-on cut the wages at all costs mode by the time he came, and we let him spend nearly twenty million on - and give ridiculous contracts to - CNZ, Given and Hutton. Talk about muddled thinking.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on August 28, 2015, 11:29:44 AM

Quote from: RussellC on August 28, 2015, 10:30:41 AM

I've often wondered how Alan Brazil is still employed on national radio, he's so bad. He's basically a moron who happens to have a radio-friendly voice.

That's just it Russel, I believe he's employed because he is a moron.  People probably tune in just to listen and laugh, it's good comedy,  there will, of course be those that believe in the shite that is spouted; but as we all know it's listeners to generate  the advertising revenue that is paramount not journalistic nous.  I have never heard Talksport btw.  See also Franksy.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 28, 2015, 11:38:16 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on August 28, 2015, 11:23:48 AM

Kevin chicken dance Nolan released by west ham and always looked good in claret and blue. Model pro would be useful . who's aboard the Nolan train with me:-)

No...you're on your own and you can buy your own ticket.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: warleyboy on August 28, 2015, 11:40:44 AM

Seriously can't compare franksey with Brazil.
Yes, both idiot radio presenters in there own right, but at least Brazil was a pretty good footballer.
Franksey is just a villa hating bafoon, who should be working at the glee club, cos he is a joke.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on August 28, 2015, 11:44:20 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 28, 2015, 11:24:37 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 28, 2015, 11:10:16 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 28, 2015, 10:57:41 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 28, 2015, 12:49:53 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 27, 2015, 11:43:36 PM

Quote from: Ads on August 27, 2015, 11:40:23 PM

I wonder if it's more likely to be the case that we have a contracts man now who is giving them the hook, rather than Lambert doing everything.

That, basically.

If it really was left to Lambert to do stuff like that, then that's awful organisation. Of exactly the sort we've seen for several years until recently. I find it really hard to believe it's all Lambert's fault.

Wouldn't the fact that the players were not on crazy wages in the first place also be a factor?  The players lambert tried to get rid of were largely on ridiculous contracts - Bent/Hutton/Given - and therefore there's little incentive for them to leave as no club would match their deal.  The fact that Nzogbia is still here even supports this theory.

Ironically Sherwood may have benefitted from Lambert's shrewdness.  Hmmm maybe that's stretching it.

The failure to move players on goes back much further than Lambert, though.

Look at all the shit we had from the MON years on good money but not getting used, whose contracts were just allowed to expire. The waste on people like Heskey, NRC, Habib Beye.

That was kind of my point.  Sherwood has benefitted because players are no-longer on such lucrative contracts.  That policy of more realistic wages probably started under Lambert.  Whereas Lambert was handicapped by the big contracts handed out by MON/Houllier.

And McLeish. The mad thing is we were supposedly in full-on cut the wages at all costs mode by the time he came, and we let him spend nearly twenty million on - and give ridiculous contracts to - CNZ, Given and Hutton. Talk about muddled thinking.

I don't think he was exactly in charge of any of them, except for maybe Hutton. We were being strongly linked with N'Zogbia even before McLeish arrived. I agree on the muddled thinking though: I think the reasoning was that we needed at least one player to replace Downing/Young, a new keeper since Friedel had left on a free transfer, and from what I recall we brought in Hutton as a like-for-like replacement of Luke Young, on a slightly-lower wage packet. It's fair enough that we needed to buy a winger, GK and RB that summer, but we treated it like they had to be PL-proven, which has consequences on the kinds of wages you would have to pay.

I guess this would sound like a crazy opinion, but I do think Martinez turning us down that summer set us back a ridiculous amount (yeah, easy to say in hindsight given the TSMs we had in succession.) Sure, he's not that great of a manager, but I think even with our impending austerity measures he could've built well off the Houllier season, as we still had some decent players who I think would've kicked on under his style of play: Makoun, Albrighton, Bannan, Delph, even Weimann and Gardner who showed up later in that season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 28, 2015, 11:50:23 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on August 28, 2015, 11:23:48 AM

Quote from: tomd2103 on August 28, 2015, 10:51:15 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 28, 2015, 09:53:56 AM

Quote from: tomd2103 on August 28, 2015, 08:55:21 AM

Ray Wilkins was on Talksport earlier and said that he expects more transfer activity at Villa Park before the close of the window.

Did he say outgoing or incoming

I can't remember how exactly he phrased it, but he did suggest they are still looking to bring players in.

Kevin chicken dance Nolan released by west ham and always looked good in claret and blue. Model pro would be useful . who's aboard the Nolan train with me:-)

Just you and Sam Allardyce.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 28, 2015, 11:51:48 AM

Quote from: KRS on August 28, 2015, 11:38:16 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on August 28, 2015, 11:23:48 AM

Kevin chicken dance Nolan released by west ham and always looked good in claret and blue. Model pro would be useful . who's aboard the Nolan train with me:-)

No...you're on your own and you can buy your own ticket.

At least he's finally got off the Altidore Express.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on August 28, 2015, 11:53:28 AM

Quote from: KRS on August 28, 2015, 10:44:43 AM

Quote from: chrisw1 on August 28, 2015, 09:56:10 AM

Quote from: KRS on August 27, 2015, 11:59:32 PM

I'd imagine the process has been something along the lines of:

a) player and agent get called into office for meeting with TS, legal team and contracts manager present
b) player and agent are told in no uncertain terms that the players services are no longer required for X, Y and Z reasons

The clubs position is made clear, the player is placed on the transfer list, and both the player and agent knowing they need to find a new club if the player wants to actually have a career in which he plays football. This wouldn't have happened under Lambert.

That sounds exactly like the much maligned bomb squad to me?

The bomb squad would have been more like Lambert simply ignoring them in the corridors, putting a piece of paper on the wall and the players finding out that they're on the list to train with the kids with no explanation.

Yeah, because we all know exactly what happened.

As poor as our form was under Lambert, critisizing him for the bomb squad and praising TS for exactly the same thing is just one eyed bullshit and does nobody any credit.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 28, 2015, 12:08:25 PM

Isn't the Altidore Express one of the rides at Alton Towers?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 28, 2015, 12:13:34 PM

I'm not criticising or praising anyone chrisw1...I've just suggested a couple of potential "imaginary" scenarios based on the very limited evidence...aren't we allowed artistic license on an internet forum or are we only allowed to deal with facts? *rolls eyes smilie thing*

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 28, 2015, 12:22:10 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 28, 2015, 10:30:41 AM

I've often wondered how Alan Brazil is still employed on national radio, he's so bad. He's basically a moron who happens to have a radio-friendly voice.

I think they still employ him to maintain an object for their shit humour which entirely surrounds how much he drinks and how wankered he apparently always is. That and if they did fire him he'd likely be dead within days for all the same reasons they keep him there.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 28, 2015, 12:25:02 PM

Quote from: brian green on August 28, 2015, 12:08:25 PM

Isn't the Altidore Express one of the rides at Alton Towers?

Well there was one recently that had trouble finishing....





Sorry.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 28, 2015, 12:28:26 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 28, 2015, 10:59:54 AM

Quote from: Hookeysmith on August 28, 2015, 10:52:24 AM

I commented to a mate yesterday that on the other twosome from moronville, Durham and Thick Northern twat Gough. Monday

"My question is to all United fans, Is United and Rooney finished"

Thursday

"Does this result prove Rooney is back"

Utter wankshite on what is becoming United FM

The strange thing about Adrian Durham is that if you listen to him when he does their live stuff on a Saturday afternoon, where he isn't forced to fit into some sort of witty pairing with the likes of Darren Gough, he's actually pretty good. He makes me think there's actually a decent journalist in there.

Darren Gough, though, fucking hell. He's surely the thickest person on national radio? Except possibly Micky Quinn. He can barely string a sentence together. Listening to him massacre the English language with all that "the team what started the match" style stuff makes me want to snap something in half.

On the Saturday show, you can tell he actually understands and is knowledgable about football.  It's just a shame he spends his weekday shows baiting Arsenal fans in a fake cockney drawl.  I mean "The Daily Arsenal" ffs.    The thing about Gough is that his views on cricket are not much more insightful either.  He is a prime example of a very talented sportsman who has landed a job in the media on the back of his career and whose instinctive talent meant that he has neither a grasp or a real interest in the nuances of the game he played.   

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 28, 2015, 12:43:17 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on August 28, 2015, 12:28:26 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 28, 2015, 10:59:54 AM

Quote from: Hookeysmith on August 28, 2015, 10:52:24 AM

I commented to a mate yesterday that on the other twosome from moronville, Durham and Thick Northern twat Gough. Monday

"My question is to all United fans, Is United and Rooney finished"

Thursday

"Does this result prove Rooney is back"

Utter wankshite on what is becoming United FM

The strange thing about Adrian Durham is that if you listen to him when he does their live stuff on a Saturday afternoon, where he isn't forced to fit into some sort of witty pairing with the likes of Darren Gough, he's actually pretty good. He makes me think there's actually a decent journalist in there.

Darren Gough, though, fucking hell. He's surely the thickest person on national radio? Except possibly Micky Quinn. He can barely string a sentence together. Listening to him massacre the English language with all that "the team what started the match" style stuff makes me want to snap something in half.

On the Saturday show, you can tell he actually understands and is knowledgable about football.  It's just a shame he spends his weekday shows baiting Arsenal fans in a fake cockney drawl.  I mean "The Daily Arsenal" ffs.    The thing about Gough is that his views on cricket are not much more insightful either.  He is a prime example of a very talented sportsman who has landed a job in the media on the back of his career and whose instinctive talent meant that he has neither a grasp or a real interest in the nuances of the game he played.   

I guess that's where TalkSport make their money though. Durham baiting moronic listeners into calling their premium rate phone-line. Shame, because- as you say- Durham can be a good broadcaster when he tries.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 28, 2015, 12:46:37 PM

Thing with TalkSport is if you go there looking for content then you're not going to get much and if you come out disappointed that's on you (us) for trying to find it. I don't mind Durham and Gough, or Stan or Saggers because I know what I'm getting. It's shouty radio for the masses, and when I want something more intellectual I'll go elsewhere to find it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: AV82EC on August 28, 2015, 01:21:09 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 28, 2015, 12:46:37 PM

Thing with TalkSport is if you go there looking for content then you're not going to get much and if you come out disappointed that's on you (us) for trying to find it. I don't mind Durham and Gough, or Stan or Saggers because I know what I'm getting. It's shouty radio for the masses, and when I want something more intellectual I'll go elsewhere to find it.

Exactly. When Talksport get down to actually delivering sports radio commentary they have some very good people and Durham is one of those. The only issue I have with them is the light entertainment dumbed down nature of much of the daily programming. Brazil can be good when he has a good partner like Murphy or Moore, Colon Murray is a ****** and his show is only improved with decent side presenters like Bunce, I like H and J its inoffensive afternoon background noise, Durham is a professional wind up merchant in the afternoons and Gough is a performing monkey who's as thick as a plank, Saggers shows his BBC credentials from time to time with some great journalism but you suspect he's trying too hard to be controversial and Goldstein and Cundy just a pair of cockney wankers.

Oh and if you don't like the Daily Arsensl you haven't got a sense of humour. What could be better a national radio station taking the piss out if that Tarquin luvvie tosspots club. What's not to like.....

Don't get me started on Bingham and Quinn though, vacuous bimbo out if the SSN wardrobe and the thickest pundit on radio, it beggars belief.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 28, 2015, 01:24:02 PM

I couldn't stand Colin Murray on the BBC, and even less so now because his show is on during my drive to work in the morning. So I just avoid it now until later int he day.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Small Rodent on August 28, 2015, 01:43:48 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 28, 2015, 12:22:10 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 28, 2015, 10:30:41 AM

I've often wondered how Alan Brazil is still employed on national radio, he's so bad. He's basically a moron who happens to have a radio-friendly voice.

I think they still employ him to maintain an object for their shit humour which entirely surrounds how much he drinks and how wankered he apparently always is. That and if they did fire him he'd likely be dead within days for all the same reasons they keep him there.

I've mentioned numerous times that he drinks where my wife works. She says he's polite, drinks a lot, and the old sport pros seem to like him when they accompany him post-show.

That doesn't mean he's a competent radio presenter though.!!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 28, 2015, 02:01:19 PM

Quote from: brian green on August 28, 2015, 12:08:25 PM

Isn't the Altidore Express one of the rides at Alton Towers?

Yes you pay a lot of money, it trundles around in no particular direction, you end up back where you started a lot worse off, zero return on your investment and a feeling of  sadness and dissapointment.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: CT Villan on August 28, 2015, 02:18:47 PM

Quote from: ChicagoLion on August 28, 2015, 02:01:19 PM

Yes you pay a lot of money, it trundles around in no particular direction, you end up back where you started a lot worse off, zero return on your investment and a feeling of  sadness and dissapointment.

Sounds a lot like the Lambert era too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 28, 2015, 02:24:40 PM

Quote from: ChicagoLion on August 28, 2015, 02:01:19 PM

Quote from: brian green on August 28, 2015, 12:08:25 PM

Isn't the Altidore Express one of the rides at Alton Towers?

Yes you pay a lot of money, it trundles around in no particular direction, you end up back where you started a lot worse off, zero return on your investment and a feeling of  sadness and dissapointment.

I thought that ride was simply named Aston Villa

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 28, 2015, 02:25:13 PM

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/601387/Aston-Villa-target-Barcelona-academy-product-Traore

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Louzie0 on August 28, 2015, 02:27:50 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 28, 2015, 02:24:40 PM

Quote from: ChicagoLion on August 28, 2015, 02:01:19 PM

Quote from: brian green on August 28, 2015, 12:08:25 PM

Isn't the Altidore Express one of the rides at Alton Towers?

Yes you pay a lot of money, it trundles around in no particular direction, you end up back where you started a lot worse off, zero return on your investment and a feeling of  sadness and dissapointment.

I thought that ride was simply named Aston Villa

Under new management and an almost complete change in trolleys, Silhill.  Talk that the end of the ride is different this year, and higher.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mallo on August 28, 2015, 02:35:26 PM

Good player Vazquez - yet another attacking midfielder though? Are we going to dribble it into the net this season?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on August 28, 2015, 02:36:48 PM

We'll be getting a striker, surely.  If that number 10 shirt goes empty I'm going to request that I get it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 28, 2015, 02:50:44 PM

You are quite right, there was a ride at Alton Towers called Aston Villa. It was originally known as The Twister before the club changed ownership.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Proposition Joe on August 28, 2015, 03:39:03 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 28, 2015, 12:46:37 PM

Thing with TalkSport is if you go there looking for content then you're not going to get much and if you come out disappointed that's on you (us) for trying to find it. I don't mind Durham and Gough, or Stan or Saggers because I know what I'm getting. It's shouty radio for the masses, and when I want something more intellectual I'll go elsewhere to find it.

I like Talk Sport, especially on Sunday mornings, because they, er, talk about sport. 5live sometimes just tries the find the most boring programmes it can. And I don't like listening to Garry Richardson at all.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on August 28, 2015, 04:17:10 PM

Quote from: Ads on August 27, 2015, 11:27:38 PM

How has Sherwood managed to bin off so much shite when Lambert couldn't?

You look through the list of players who've gone and Benteke apart, there's little quality in there at all. Frighteningly poor really.

Doubt its anything to do with Sherwood or Lambert to be honest, we are now much stronger off the pitch with the likes of Fox, Reilly etc than we were previously with Lerner's stooges. Business is getting done a lot quicker both with incoming and outgoing transfers.

With regards to quality leaving aside from Benteke and Delph, the likes of Given, Bent, even Nzogbia and Vlaar, have all had times during their career where they have performed brilliantly at a high level. Age, injuries and eventually probably in the case of all four they mentally gave up to some extent. Given and Bent's decline was spectacularly quick but Lambert did well to replace them with Guzan and Benteke for about 7m combined.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 28, 2015, 04:18:00 PM

apparently we have agreed a fee for Lescott but he won't be allowed to leave until they have signed a replacement

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 28, 2015, 04:39:37 PM

SSN reported £2m fee with Lescott on a 2 year contract.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on August 28, 2015, 04:49:35 PM

Quote from: KRS on August 28, 2015, 04:39:37 PM

SSN reported £2m fee with Lescott on a 2 year contract.

silly signing imo for a 33yr old, reminiscent of the Habib Beye deal

what was the point in giving Baker particularly and even Clark new deals, three left sided centre backs on the books

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Lsvilla on August 28, 2015, 04:53:11 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on August 28, 2015, 04:49:35 PM

Quote from: KRS on August 28, 2015, 04:39:37 PM

SSN reported £2m fee with Lescott on a 2 year contract.

silly signing imo for a 33yr old, reminiscent of the Habib Beye deal

what was the point in giving Baker particularly and even Clark new deals, three left sided centre backs on the books

I don't know what Lescott's long-term aspirations are, but I think he can teach the likes of Clark / Okore / Baker an awful lot whilst on the pitch / training ground with them, and wouldn't be surprised to see him join the coaching staff after this deal expires.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 28, 2015, 04:53:11 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on August 28, 2015, 04:49:35 PM

Quote from: KRS on August 28, 2015, 04:39:37 PM

SSN reported £2m fee with Lescott on a 2 year contract.

silly signing imo for a 33yr old, reminiscent of the Habib Beye deal

what was the point in giving Baker particularly and even Clark new deals, three left sided centre backs on the books

Beye was three or four years though wasn't it?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 28, 2015, 05:05:20 PM

I think it's a really sensible signing if it comes off. Need a striker still!!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: andyh on August 28, 2015, 05:17:00 PM

Doesn't lescott pop up with the odd goal from corners too, with his square head?
That's a useful weapon to have.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: darren woolley on August 28, 2015, 05:18:58 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 28, 2015, 05:05:20 PM

I think it's a really sensible signing if it comes off. Need a striker still!!

I agree it can't do us any harm getting an experienced defender.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mallo on August 28, 2015, 05:24:56 PM

Quote from: andyh on August 28, 2015, 05:17:00 PM

Doesn't lescott pop up with the odd goal from corners too, with his square head?
That's a useful weapon to have.

Him and Gestede at corners = Mellberg + 1!!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 28, 2015, 05:36:38 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on August 28, 2015, 04:49:35 PM

Quote from: KRS on August 28, 2015, 04:39:37 PM

SSN reported £2m fee with Lescott on a 2 year contract.

silly signing imo for a 33yr old, reminiscent of the Habib Beye deal

what was the point in giving Baker particularly and even Clark new deals, three left sided centre backs on the books

Better than friggin Senderos.. not to mention an experienced leader that has an affinity for the club.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt C on August 28, 2015, 05:54:06 PM

Smart signing I reckon. Bit of extra experience and nous.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 28, 2015, 06:09:54 PM

Good signing. An upgrade on Baker and even Clark in my opinion, and a Villa fan as well!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: D.boy on August 28, 2015, 06:12:05 PM

Quote from: mallo on August 28, 2015, 05:24:56 PM

Quote from: andyh on August 28, 2015, 05:17:00 PM

Doesn't lescott pop up with the odd goal from corners too, with his square head?
That's a useful weapon to have.

Him and Gestede at corners = Mellberg + 1!!

and Richards

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 28, 2015, 06:19:11 PM

Good signing. He can bring the voice of experience and authority to or defence we have lacked for a long time and I include Ron Vlaar in that assessment.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: manic-road on August 28, 2015, 06:26:09 PM

If Lescott signs I will be happy with that, he will certainly strengthen the defence and with his experience get it organised.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: DB on August 28, 2015, 06:35:17 PM

Boggies look like they are signing Evans.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 28, 2015, 06:36:06 PM

Every time I have watched MOTD, Lineker & co always bring up Lescotts poor concentration, poor passing, poor marking etc.

Never been a fan, never rated him...but if he puts the shirt on I can only support him. For how long though,  that's the question.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: CJ on August 28, 2015, 06:36:59 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 28, 2015, 04:18:00 PM

apparently we have agreed a fee for Lescott but he won't be allowed to leave until they have signed a replacement

That seemed a bit weird - we've agreed a fee but he can't leave until they've got a replacement. Apparently they've now agreed a fee for Evans so hopefully it'll get resolved pretty quickly. On face value he's 33 and is surplus to the Bitters' requirements so doesn't sound too clever, but I'm fairly OK with it - loads of experience, steady, and is better than Baker or Senderos. Richards, Clark, Okore and Lescott  as 4 CB options is fine by me

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 28, 2015, 06:42:08 PM

well it was obvious they had Evans lined up I would have thought, otherwise they  wouldn't have agreed to it? Presumably, Sadio whatshisname is off before the deadline to pay for the new boys.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on August 28, 2015, 06:44:02 PM

Hardly one to get excited about, or disappointed about for that matter.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 28, 2015, 06:50:46 PM

Quote from: Matt C on August 28, 2015, 05:54:06 PM

Smart signing I reckon. Bit of extra experience and nous.

Yep.  A partnership of Richards and Lescott looks infinitely better than some of combinations we've had back there over the past few seasons (a back three of Herd, Clark and Baker anyone?)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on August 28, 2015, 07:01:43 PM

I suspect we might be thinking about the Lescot of old, this is the one that can't get into the baggies team, that's 33 and isn't going to get any better

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 28, 2015, 07:02:21 PM

Lescott's alright and we do need centre half cover.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 28, 2015, 07:02:32 PM

He's better than baker though

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 28, 2015, 07:03:11 PM

Quote from: john e on August 28, 2015, 07:01:43 PM

I suspect we might be thinking about the Lescot of old, this is the one that can't get into the baggies team, that's 33 and isn't going to get any better

He was their player of the year last year wasn't he?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 28, 2015, 07:09:08 PM

I've never been a fan of Lescott but the decision to drop him in favour of Olsson or McAuley isn't popular with the Baggies fans. In a team that has hardly any PL experience, Lescott will provide a wise head to the young players and hopefully get us more organised at the back. He's good friends with Richards from their days at Man City too, so they may form a good partnership if Lescott is selected ahead of Clark.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on August 28, 2015, 07:09:31 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on August 28, 2015, 07:03:11 PM

Quote from: john e on August 28, 2015, 07:01:43 PM

I suspect we might be thinking about the Lescot of old, this is the one that can't get into the baggies team, that's 33 and isn't going to get any better

He was their player of the year last year wasn't he?

Was he, come on down then

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on August 28, 2015, 07:15:22 PM

Perhaps Sherwood is thinking pairing Lescott with Clark and moving Richards to RB? Lescott will prove a shrewd signing and an upgrade on sicknote Vlaar.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SamTheMouse on August 28, 2015, 07:15:42 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on August 28, 2015, 07:02:32 PM

He's better than baker though

The very definition of damned with faint praise.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: gervilla on August 28, 2015, 07:18:42 PM

Quote from: Villafirst on August 28, 2015, 07:15:22 PM

Perhaps Sherwood is thinking pairing Lescott with Clark and moving Richards to RB? Lescott will prove a shrewd signing and an upgrade on sicknote Vlaar.

Sounds good to me. Richards to right back will solve one of our biggest problems.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mallo on August 28, 2015, 07:27:44 PM

I think Richards and lescott will be greater than the sum of their parts I suspect - both good organisers and will play off each other well. Cue miscued massive own goal from lescott on debut!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on August 28, 2015, 07:28:22 PM

Quote from: Villafirst on August 28, 2015, 07:15:22 PM

Perhaps Sherwood is thinking pairing Lescott with Clark and moving Richards to RB? Lescott will prove a shrewd signing and an upgrade on sicknote Vlaar.

Lescott is a left-sided defender and therefore not an upgrade on the right-sided Vlaar.  Lescott and Clark will not be able to play together.  Lescott as cover for Clark or in place off at times, fine and it would allow Baker to go out on loan and get much needed regular games to develop.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: garyshawsknee on August 28, 2015, 07:34:11 PM

Probably not a bad signing for a year or so. I'd rather have him for 2 million than Evans.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on August 28, 2015, 07:42:15 PM

Quote from: garyshawsknee on August 28, 2015, 07:34:11 PM

Probably not a bad signing for a year or so. I'd rather have him for 2 million than Evans.

a much much better player than Evans.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 28, 2015, 07:52:37 PM

Solid signing this and he will walk into our back line. Happy with this.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on August 28, 2015, 08:00:03 PM

Yes walk that's all he will do at his age!
But seriously he will good influence on Clark however I think Sherwood is going to play  him with Richards.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 28, 2015, 08:04:30 PM

Quote from: old man villa fan on August 28, 2015, 07:28:22 PM

Quote from: Villafirst on August 28, 2015, 07:15:22 PM

Perhaps Sherwood is thinking pairing Lescott with Clark and moving Richards to RB? Lescott will prove a shrewd signing and an upgrade on sicknote Vlaar.

Lescott is a left-sided defender and therefore not an upgrade on the right-sided Vlaar.  Lescott and Clark will not be able to play together.  Lescott as cover for Clark or in place off at times, fine and it would allow Baker to go out on loan and get much needed regular games to develop.

Since when did it become the law that two same-footed centre-halves cannot play together?

Is it true at all football clubs or just ours?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 28, 2015, 08:11:52 PM

Quote from: olaftab on August 28, 2015, 08:00:03 PM

Yes walk that's all he will do at his age!
But seriously he will good influence on Clark however I think Sherwood is going to play  him with Richards.

Why wouldn't he , Clark is still making too many errors and hoofing the ball way too much at this level. Once okore is back then there's an option to play Richards at RB .

DL1 - hutton Richards lescott amavi
DL2 - Richards Okore Lescott Amavi

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 28, 2015, 08:15:06 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 28, 2015, 08:04:30 PM

Quote from: old man villa fan on August 28, 2015, 07:28:22 PM

Quote from: Villafirst on August 28, 2015, 07:15:22 PM

Perhaps Sherwood is thinking pairing Lescott with Clark and moving Richards to RB? Lescott will prove a shrewd signing and an upgrade on sicknote Vlaar.

Lescott is a left-sided defender and therefore not an upgrade on the right-sided Vlaar.  Lescott and Clark will not be able to play together.  Lescott as cover for Clark or in place off at times, fine and it would allow Baker to go out on loan and get much needed regular games to develop.

Since when did it become the law that two same-footed centre-halves cannot play together?

Is it true at all football clubs or just ours?

It  never has been the law, some players prefer one side and not always their strongest foot side. I played centre back sometimes and preferred the left and I am right footed.
A lot of centre half pairings are more concerned with who covers and who marks. This right side left side thing is rubbish.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 28, 2015, 08:50:14 PM

Lescott is an improvement on Vlaar. He's also more likely to play more than Ron would have, were he still at the club.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 28, 2015, 08:59:00 PM

Quote from: ChicagoLion on August 28, 2015, 08:15:06 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 28, 2015, 08:04:30 PM

Quote from: old man villa fan on August 28, 2015, 07:28:22 PM

Quote from: Villafirst on August 28, 2015, 07:15:22 PM

Perhaps Sherwood is thinking pairing Lescott with Clark and moving Richards to RB? Lescott will prove a shrewd signing and an upgrade on sicknote Vlaar.

Lescott is a left-sided defender and therefore not an upgrade on the right-sided Vlaar.  Lescott and Clark will not be able to play together.  Lescott as cover for Clark or in place off at times, fine and it would allow Baker to go out on loan and get much needed regular games to develop.

Since when did it become the law that two same-footed centre-halves cannot play together?

Is it true at all football clubs or just ours?

It  never has been the law, some players prefer one side and not always their strongest foot side. I played centre back sometimes and preferred the left and I am right footed.
A lot of centre half pairings are more concerned with who covers and who marks. This right side left side thing is rubbish.

I agree. I'm pretty sure that centre-half partnerships where both players are either right or left footed are quite common. Not being a student of other teams I'm not certain of that though. I can see the advantages of A lefties paired with a right-footer but I think it can be a bit of an obsession on here.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: CAitken on August 28, 2015, 09:10:30 PM

Quote from: mallo on August 28, 2015, 02:35:26 PM

Good player Vazquez - yet another attacking midfielder though? Are we going to dribble it into the net this season?

I spoke with a colleague of mine today who works in our Brussels office, supports Club Brugge and their coach has said Vazquez could move before the deadline. My colleague also said he was their star player last season when they won the league

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy65 on August 28, 2015, 09:31:05 PM

Quote from: supertom on August 28, 2015, 08:50:14 PM

Lescott is an improvement on Vlaar. He's also more likely to play more than Ron would have, were he still at the club.

I doubt that

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 28, 2015, 09:32:50 PM

Quote from: Rudy65 on August 28, 2015, 09:31:05 PM

Quote from: supertom on August 28, 2015, 08:50:14 PM

Lescott is an improvement on Vlaar. He's also more likely to play more than Ron would have, were he still at the club.

I doubt that

The only person that put their hands in their face more than Vlaar was Super Marc.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy65 on August 28, 2015, 09:33:34 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on August 28, 2015, 06:09:54 PM

Good signing. An upgrade on Baker and even Clark in my opinion, and a Villa fan as well!

He was better than Clark at his peak, but not now

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy65 on August 28, 2015, 09:35:35 PM

Quote from: villadelph on August 28, 2015, 09:32:50 PM

Quote from: Rudy65 on August 28, 2015, 09:31:05 PM

Quote from: supertom on August 28, 2015, 08:50:14 PM

Lescott is an improvement on Vlaar. He's also more likely to play more than Ron would have, were he still at the club.

I doubt that

The only person that put their hands in their face more than Vlaar was Super Marc.

Ay?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on August 28, 2015, 09:37:45 PM

Bring him in.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Seb_AVFC on August 28, 2015, 09:40:04 PM

Quote from: CAitken on August 28, 2015, 09:10:30 PM

Quote from: mallo on August 28, 2015, 02:35:26 PM

Good player Vazquez - yet another attacking midfielder though? Are we going to dribble it into the net this season?

I spoke with a colleague of mine today who works in our Brussels office, supports Club Brugge and their coach has said Vazquez could move before the deadline. My colleague also said he was their star player last season when they won the league

Ten years since they last won the league tho

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 28, 2015, 09:45:59 PM

Quote from: Rudy65 on August 28, 2015, 09:31:05 PM

Quote from: supertom on August 28, 2015, 08:50:14 PM

Lescott is an improvement on Vlaar. He's also more likely to play more than Ron would have, were he still at the club.

I doubt that

I don't

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on August 28, 2015, 09:46:59 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 28, 2015, 08:59:00 PM

Quote from: ChicagoLion on August 28, 2015, 08:15:06 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 28, 2015, 08:04:30 PM

Quote from: old man villa fan on August 28, 2015, 07:28:22 PM

Quote from: Villafirst on August 28, 2015, 07:15:22 PM

Perhaps Sherwood is thinking pairing Lescott with Clark and moving Richards to RB? Lescott will prove a shrewd signing and an upgrade on sicknote Vlaar.

Lescott is a left-sided defender and therefore not an upgrade on the right-sided Vlaar.  Lescott and Clark will not be able to play together.  Lescott as cover for Clark or in place off at times, fine and it would allow Baker to go out on loan and get much needed regular games to develop.

Since when did it become the law that two same-footed centre-halves cannot play together?

Is it true at all football clubs or just ours?

It  never has been the law, some players prefer one side and not always their strongest foot side. I played centre back sometimes and preferred the left and I am right footed.
A lot of centre half pairings are more concerned with who covers and who marks. This right side left side thing is rubbish.

I agree. I'm pretty sure that centre-half partnerships where both players are either right or left footed are quite common. Not being a student of other teams I'm not certain of that though. I can see the advantages of A lefties paired with a right-footer but I think it can be a bit of an obsession on here.

Some players can play on their 'opposite' side quite comfortably, others cannot and can get taken on their weaker side quite easily.  There are plenty of right footers that play on the left but very few the other way around.  Not sure why.  Is it because left footed players in general are very one-footed when they play, almost exaggerated.

Lescott and Clark are very much left-sided players and I do not think I have ever seen either playing on the right.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: CAitken on August 28, 2015, 09:54:45 PM

Quote from: Seb_AVFC on August 28, 2015, 09:40:04 PM

Quote from: CAitken on August 28, 2015, 09:10:30 PM

Quote from: mallo on August 28, 2015, 02:35:26 PM

Good player Vazquez - yet another attacking midfielder though? Are we going to dribble it into the net this season?

I spoke with a colleague of mine today who works in our Brussels office, supports Club Brugge and their coach has said Vazquez could move before the deadline. My colleague also said he was their star player last season when they won the league

Ten years since they last won the league tho

I thought they won it last year, my mistake

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 28, 2015, 10:00:31 PM

I'd be more worried if I was a WBA fan signing Evans than being a Villa fan signing Lescott. They seem to think Evens is a long term solution - which, I doubt he is. Lescott is simply short term, which suits us.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 28, 2015, 10:03:25 PM

Jonny Evans is woeful

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 28, 2015, 10:04:47 PM

I'd be worried if my club had spent £16mil on Evans and Chester.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on August 28, 2015, 10:52:05 PM

Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 28, 2015, 10:04:47 PM

I'd be worried if my club had spent £16mil on Evans and Chester.

I'd rather have Chris Evans and Charlie Chester.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: warleyboy on August 28, 2015, 11:53:00 PM

Lescott coming in will be a great addition, for this season and maybe cameo role next.
He is a leader type player, experience and also played alongside Richards.
Just what we need, good time served pro, same please for another striker.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 28, 2015, 11:53:16 PM

Quote from: Des Little on August 28, 2015, 10:52:05 PM

Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 28, 2015, 10:04:47 PM

I'd be worried if my club had spent £16mil on Evans and Chester.

I'd rather have Chris Evans and Charlie Chester.

It's about their level. Shit club, worse fans, Tiny Penis as Manager. No wonder Berahino wants out.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt C on August 29, 2015, 01:12:16 AM

A reported 8m for Evans is mental and has more than a whiff of desperation about it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 29, 2015, 01:47:06 AM

Baggies supporting mate reckons that Evans will be a great signing for them and apparently even poor Man Utd players are better than most players at other teams. Nope...I couldn't work that one out either!

Oh yeah...and apparently we've signed a load of shite players from lower French divisions and we're nailed on certainties for relegation because the TV pundits think so! He then has the cheek to say Aston Villa fans don't know anything about football.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve R on August 29, 2015, 02:12:17 AM

Quote from: KRS on August 29, 2015, 01:47:06 AM

Baggies supporting mate reckons that Evans will be a great signing for them and apparently even poor Man Utd players are better than most players at other teams. Nope...I couldn't work that one out either!

....

I doubt that Sunderland fans would agree either.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on August 29, 2015, 06:45:40 AM

I for one would not be surprised to see Ron Vlaar turn up again when he is fit.on a short-term contract.Sherwood seems to like him and he is right sided.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on August 29, 2015, 07:31:24 AM

Hasn't he been linked with Southampton? Anyway, it would almost certainly depend on Baker going out on loan or Senderos being shipped out now that Lescott looks set to sign.

If we suffer another CB injury crisis come January, I don't have much of a problem with a pay-as-you-play deal, but I suspect someone will guarantee him money, even on a 6 or 18 month deal.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Seb_AVFC on August 29, 2015, 07:40:39 AM

Quote from: CAitken on August 28, 2015, 09:54:45 PM

Quote from: Seb_AVFC on August 28, 2015, 09:40:04 PM

Quote from: CAitken on August 28, 2015, 09:10:30 PM

Quote from: mallo on August 28, 2015, 02:35:26 PM

Good player Vazquez - yet another attacking midfielder though? Are we going to dribble it into the net this season?

I spoke with a colleague of mine today who works in our Brussels office, supports Club Brugge and their coach has said Vazquez could move before the deadline. My colleague also said he was their star player last season when they won the league

Ten years since they last won the league tho

I thought they won it last year, my mistake

No worries. They're a bit like the Belgian version of Liverpool tho. They always find a way to f¨ck it up. I'm not sure about Vazquez, he's too injury prone.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: in exile on August 29, 2015, 08:22:53 AM

Quote from: Des Little on August 28, 2015, 10:52:05 PM

Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 28, 2015, 10:04:47 PM

I'd be worried if my club had spent £16mil on Evans and Chester.

I'd rather have Chris Evans and Charlie Chester.

One for the kids

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 29, 2015, 09:27:57 AM

Quote from: KRS on August 29, 2015, 01:47:06 AM

Baggies supporting mate reckons that Evans will be a great signing for them and apparently even poor Man Utd players are better than most players at other teams. Nope...I couldn't work that one out either!

Oh yeah...and apparently we've signed a load of shite players from lower French divisions and we're nailed on certainties for relegation because the TV pundits think so! He then has the cheek to say Aston Villa fans don't know anything about football.

They're a funny club the Albion. Small crowds, crap away following, spent years in the lower leagues yoyo-ing around. Players like Jason Koumas being club legends and such and yet somehow there fan base seem to think they're some kind of font of knowledge of the beautiful game.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 29, 2015, 10:10:20 AM

Quote from: Ron Manager on August 29, 2015, 06:45:40 AM

I for one would not be surprised to see Ron Vlaar turn up again when he is fit.on a short-term contract.Sherwood seems to like him and he is right sided.

Could happen. Dunno if he's moved back to Holland or is still living in Wishaw but once he's recovered from his op he'll need somewhere to train and get fit so could see him training with us at least.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on August 29, 2015, 10:15:00 AM

Jonny Evans is this year's Ronnie Wallwork.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 29, 2015, 10:17:20 AM

Quote from: aj2k77 on August 29, 2015, 09:27:57 AM

Quote from: KRS on August 29, 2015, 01:47:06 AM

Baggies supporting mate reckons that Evans will be a great signing for them and apparently even poor Man Utd players are better than most players at other teams. Nope...I couldn't work that one out either!

Oh yeah...and apparently we've signed a load of shite players from lower French divisions and we're nailed on certainties for relegation because the TV pundits think so! He then has the cheek to say Aston Villa fans don't know anything about football.

They're a funny club the Albion. Small crowds, crap away following, spent years in the lower leagues yoyo-ing around. Players like Jason Koumas being club legends and such and yet somehow there fan base seem to think they're some kind of font of knowledge of the beautiful game.

Out of all of the people I know all the bluenoses are sound whereas all the baggies fans are irritating tossers. That's not even an exaggeration, out of 12 baggies fans I speak to on a semi regular basis I don't like any of them.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Proposition Joe on August 29, 2015, 10:31:59 AM

Quote from: KRS on August 29, 2015, 01:47:06 AM

Baggies supporting mate reckons that Evans will be a great signing for them and apparently even poor Man Utd players are better than most players at other teams. Nope...I couldn't work that one out either!

Speaking of which, where's Danny Welbeck these days? Injured or just not in the Arsenal squad. If the latter, I'd try and take him on loan.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on August 29, 2015, 10:37:37 AM

Quote from: Proposition Joe on August 29, 2015, 10:31:59 AM

Quote from: KRS on August 29, 2015, 01:47:06 AM

Baggies supporting mate reckons that Evans will be a great signing for them and apparently even poor Man Utd players are better than most players at other teams. Nope...I couldn't work that one out either!

Speaking of which, where's Danny Welbeck these days? Injured or just not in the Arsenal squad. If the latter, I'd try and take him on loan.

He's injured. Even if he's healthy, it's difficult currently to see how he gets in their side all that often...but then again, that lot is astoundingly prone to injuries.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 29, 2015, 05:57:25 PM

We're not signing welbeck on loan or otherwise

I am desperate for a striker tho, even a stop gap loan

I can't see anything but a struggle with our current crop

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on August 29, 2015, 06:05:24 PM

We need Charlie Austin. It's so blatantly obvious.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 29, 2015, 06:07:52 PM

Not saying he wouldn't help but don't you find it odd that if what Austin offers is so blatantly obvious why has nobody signed him yet?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 29, 2015, 06:22:01 PM

I'm sure Austin will go

I don't think we've got the £15m though

I just really really hope we're going all out for a centre forward, even on loan

I can't get over how donkey-ish Gestede looked today. I was pretty shocked

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villabear on August 29, 2015, 06:27:56 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 29, 2015, 06:07:52 PM

Not saying he wouldn't help but don't you find it odd that if what Austin offers is so blatantly obvious why has nobody signed him yet?

There must be something clubs know about him otherwise he'd have signed for someone by now.
Perhaps he's holding out for massive wages or something similar not to have been snapped up by already.

Still think a striker will come in, Austin or ANother

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 29, 2015, 07:01:03 PM

Quote from: villabear on August 29, 2015, 06:27:56 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 29, 2015, 06:07:52 PM

Not saying he wouldn't help but don't you find it odd that if what Austin offers is so blatantly obvious why has nobody signed him yet?

There must be something clubs know about him otherwise he'd have signed for someone by now.
Perhaps he's holding out for massive wages or something similar not to have been snapped up by already.

Still think a striker will come in, Austin or ANother

Perhaps, as has been suggested, his knee is knackered and nobody wants to fork out £15m on a player they can't insure.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 29, 2015, 07:22:18 PM

The next couple of days will be very interesting. The Villa staff and board will know this is it until January. Lescott in is a near given, and likely N'Zogbia out. But a forward who befits the 10 shirt would be a great addition as well as a solid full back. I still think we have a few twists and turns to come in this window.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 29, 2015, 07:49:38 PM

I agree, they won't sell him so what about a season long loan for Embolo ?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 29, 2015, 09:17:46 PM

We must have one of , if not The lowest net spend across The PL this summer which is poor. We clearly need some quality and experience and again the board are looking to stay up on the cheap.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on August 29, 2015, 09:40:10 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 29, 2015, 09:17:46 PM

We must have one of , if not The lowest net spend across The PL this summer which is poor. We clearly need some quality and experience and again the board are looking to stay up on the cheap.

ah here, do you not think we have brought in quality players this summer? Amavi, Gueye.....

even with the likes of Benteke, Delph, Vlaar, Cleverely et al departing, we have a much stronger squad this year.

Unless we can get in better players than Hutton and Guzan, then Im happy enough with the squad.

All this talk about bringing in another forward, are we giving up on Ayew and Gestede already?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SteveN on August 29, 2015, 10:12:42 PM

I'd be looking at Heaton or Marshall as goal keeping options with Yedlin from Spurs to compete for the RB position. He looked very good playing for the USA. Two incoming that would not cost a fortune.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 29, 2015, 10:17:40 PM

Happy with the window in the sense we've done a lot of good stuff and Richards Sinclair Amavi Gueye all look good .
The blindingly obvious though is the lack of a guaranteed goalscorer and a RB and an upgrade on Westwood as a DCM .
I assume Lescott is done and will replace Clark .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eamonn on August 29, 2015, 10:29:47 PM

Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 28, 2015, 10:04:47 PM

I'd be worried if my club had spent £16mil on Evans and Chester.

They're saying the same about us and Ayew/Gestede.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 29, 2015, 10:42:06 PM

Which is fair although Gestede looks like he would be ideal to bring on to create mayhem for the last half an hour until he settles.

Hutton did ok today, better than Bacuna had looked there I thought. I would gamble on Michu if I were Sherwood if it's clear Adebayor is going to West Ham.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: walsall villain on August 29, 2015, 10:47:32 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 29, 2015, 09:17:46 PM

We must have one of , if not The lowest net spend across The PL this summer which is poor. We clearly need some quality and experience and again the board are looking to stay up on the cheap.

We have funded the purchase of all of these new players by selling two, surely there is a big net increase in wages being paid now? That has to be funded too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 29, 2015, 10:53:04 PM

12 or so have left this summer.  If re have increased wages I doubt it's huge. Given, bent, Delph, benteke, Weimann, Lowton have all gone remember. I agree that if there is not the funds there for a 10-15m player left it would very disappointing considering the tv money too, but if it isn't there we have to find an alternative.

We still have 2 loans.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr woo on August 29, 2015, 11:01:30 PM

Ayew and Gestede or Austin and Adebayor (inc of taxi fees)

Thats why I prefer managers with experience.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 29, 2015, 11:04:06 PM

Quote from: mr woo on August 29, 2015, 11:01:30 PM

Ayew and Gestede or Austin and Adebayor (inc of taxi fees)

Thats why I prefer managers with experience.

If that's what a manager with experience would obviously do, why have none of the managers in the league decided to do that?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on August 29, 2015, 11:08:04 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 29, 2015, 09:17:46 PM

We must have one of , if not The lowest net spend across The PL this summer which is poor. We clearly need some quality and experience and again the board are looking to stay up on the cheap.

Net spend argument is bunk. We are the 4th biggest spending Club in the division and that's very good.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 29, 2015, 11:10:18 PM

Lol Dave. Because none of them are Arry ...

In fairness I think Austin would score a lot of goals in this team, but it's obvious there are serious fitness issues there or someone would have paid the money for him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 29, 2015, 11:16:02 PM

I wonder if Tim fancies nabbing Defoe? Just a bunch if Adebayor isn't going to happen.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on August 29, 2015, 11:19:24 PM

Dafoe was shit today and will be same if we bought him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 29, 2015, 11:19:45 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 29, 2015, 11:10:18 PM

Lol Dave. Because none of them are Arry ...

In fairness I think Austin would score a lot of goals in this team, but it's obvious there are serious fitness issues there or someone would have paid the money for him.

He's played at least 36 matches per season for each of the last four years. They don't seem to be serious enough to actually stop him from playing football.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 29, 2015, 11:22:31 PM

Quote from: Dave on August 29, 2015, 11:19:45 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 29, 2015, 11:10:18 PM

Lol Dave. Because none of them are Arry ...

In fairness I think Austin would score a lot of goals in this team, but it's obvious there are serious fitness issues there or someone would have paid the money for him.

He's played at least 36 matches per season for each of the last four years. They don't seem to be serious enough to actually stop him from playing football.

Isn't the issue to do with being able to get insurance against his transfer fee, if he's unable to pass a medical?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on August 29, 2015, 11:25:10 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 29, 2015, 11:22:31 PM

Isn't the issue to do with being able to get insurance against his transfer fee, if he's unable to pass a medical?

May be but he failed a medical and Hull didn't sign him however QPR were able to insure him I assume?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 29, 2015, 11:26:35 PM

Didn't John Carew fail a medical at Fulham before signing for us?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 29, 2015, 11:28:08 PM

Quote from: olaftab on August 29, 2015, 11:25:10 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 29, 2015, 11:22:31 PM

Isn't the issue to do with being able to get insurance against his transfer fee, if he's unable to pass a medical?

May be but he failed a medical and Hull didn't sign him however QPR were able to insure him I assume?

Yeah, but they didn't pay £15m for him. I'm fairly sure there are a few clubs who'd take a punt for £7-£8m, but not at the current price with no insurance.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 29, 2015, 11:28:23 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 29, 2015, 11:22:31 PM

Quote from: Dave on August 29, 2015, 11:19:45 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 29, 2015, 11:10:18 PM

Lol Dave. Because none of them are Arry ...

In fairness I think Austin would score a lot of goals in this team, but it's obvious there are serious fitness issues there or someone would have paid the money for him.

He's played at least 36 matches per season for each of the last four years. They don't seem to be serious enough to actually stop him from playing football.

Isn't the issue to do with being able to get insurance against his transfer fee, if he's unable to pass a medical?

Demba Ba failed a medical with Stoke, yet has passed medicals for half a dozen clubs since and barely missed a game through injury.

Yet Andy Carroll has never failed a medical and can be counted on for around five matches per season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 29, 2015, 11:31:29 PM

But the point is that the clubs insure the player for the transfer fee they're paying, if I understand it correctly? Regardless of how many games he's played in the past few seasons, if Austin really does have a serious knee issue, no club will get insurance on a £15m fee.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 29, 2015, 11:31:37 PM

Austin strikes me as one of those types of players who tends to go in the last day or two of the window. I'd be very surprised if he doesn't end up leaving QPR. I'd love to have him here and I'd take the gamble. With the likes of Sinclair, Gil, Traore and Grealish, he should have a field day. He doesn't necessarily have to involve himself in build up play as we have quality players who can take and keep the ball in and around the penalty area. What we don't have, unless more faith is shown in Libor, is a striker who will anticipate the likes of Grealish and make the runs, find space or look to finish a chance ruthlessly.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 29, 2015, 11:34:24 PM

Quote from: olaftab on August 29, 2015, 11:08:04 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 29, 2015, 09:17:46 PM

We must have one of , if not The lowest net spend across The PL this summer which is poor. We clearly need some quality and experience and again the board are looking to stay up on the cheap.

Net spend argument is bunk. We are the 4th biggest spending Club in the division and that's very good.

No that's the illusion , if you're naive enough to be taken in.
We've spent barely £5m which is a travesty and we are short in key areas.
The board have 3 days to get this sorted and properly support the manager .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 29, 2015, 11:38:06 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 29, 2015, 11:31:29 PM

But the point is that the clubs insure the player for the transfer fee they're paying, if I understand it correctly? Regardless of how many games he's played in the past few seasons, if Austin really does have a serious knee issue, no club will get insurance on a £15m fee.

So, how did West Ham, Newcastle and Chelsea manage to insure Demba Ba given that he failed a medical with Stoke due to his supposed knee problem?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 29, 2015, 11:40:29 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 29, 2015, 11:34:24 PM

Quote from: olaftab on August 29, 2015, 11:08:04 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 29, 2015, 09:17:46 PM

We must have one of , if not The lowest net spend across The PL this summer which is poor. We clearly need some quality and experience and again the board are looking to stay up on the cheap.

Net spend argument is bunk. We are the 4th biggest spending Club in the division and that's very good.

No that's the illusion , if you're naive enough to be taken in.
We've spent barely £5m which is a travesty and we are short in key areas.
The board have 3 days to get this sorted and properly support the manager .

I don't agree with your slightly excessive interpretation of the spending, but I also agree in that I don't see how the "the net spend argument is bunkum" thing stacks up when it is just a literal description of our ins and outs this summer, and there for all to see. It is a financial fact.

I don't really care too much this way or the other about spending money for the sake of it, I wouldn't want us to do that, ever. I am impressed by a lot of our signings, they show surprising creativity and thought. Something we've lacked for ages.

What I do worry about, though, is that we've sold Benteke, who was disproportionately our main goals supplier in seasons in which we didn't score many goals, and not bought any single player in who suggests he'll supply anything like that many goals.

I see lots of good things in the new players, just not goals.

Sinclair is not going to be relied upon to supply them for the rest of the season. Gestede is an option from the lower leagues, Ayew is not a main goal source player and will take time to settle.

That strikes me as a dangerous risk to be taking, and I hope we bring someone in before Monday.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 29, 2015, 11:45:46 PM

Thanks for putting words in my mouth but not once have I said "spend for the sake of spending"
I'm saying buy the players we need of the proven quality this league demands in the following areas

Replace Clark (Lescott ?)
Replace Westwood / DCM
Replace  Benteke (Austin ?)

Further down the line
RB
Keeper

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 29, 2015, 11:46:23 PM

Quote from: supertom on August 29, 2015, 11:31:37 PM

Austin strikes me as one of those types of players who tends to go in the last day or two of the window. I'd be very surprised if he doesn't end up leaving QPR. I'd love to have him here and I'd take the gamble. With the likes of Sinclair, Gil, Traore and Grealish, he should have a field day. He doesn't necessarily have to involve himself in build up play as we have quality players who can take and keep the ball in and around the penalty area. What we don't have, unless more faith is shown in Libor, is a striker who will anticipate the likes of Grealish and make the runs, find space or look to finish a chance ruthlessly.

Completely agree and think that Sinclair has highlighted that very fact this week. A top class poacher would get loads of goals in this team.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 29, 2015, 11:50:42 PM

Quote from: Dave on August 29, 2015, 11:38:06 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 29, 2015, 11:31:29 PM

But the point is that the clubs insure the player for the transfer fee they're paying, if I understand it correctly? Regardless of how many games he's played in the past few seasons, if Austin really does have a serious knee issue, no club will get insurance on a £15m fee.

So, how did West Ham, Newcastle and Chelsea manage to insure Demba Ba given that he failed a medical with Stoke due to his supposed knee problem?

Either by passing A medical at those clubs, or by those clubs choosing to run the risk of not having his transfer fee insured, I would imagine. I'm not suggesting that Austin can't be signed, just that clubs appear to be bulking at his asking price because of this issue. It wouldn't surprise me to see a number of clubs try their luck with lower bids as the deadline approaches.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 29, 2015, 11:52:52 PM

http://en.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/70068.html

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 30, 2015, 12:14:16 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 29, 2015, 11:45:46 PM

Thanks for putting words in my mouth but not once have I said "spend for the sake of spending"
I'm saying buy the players we need of the proven quality this league demands in the following areas

Replace Clark (Lescott ?)
Replace Westwood / DCM
Replace  Benteke (Austin ?)

Further down the line
RB
Keeper

I'm not sure we need a midfielder, if we're playing 4231 the options for the 2 are: Sanchez, Gueye, Westwood, Veretout and Gardner.  I'm happy enough with that.

I can understand the defender, I'd like to see Senderos go and I think he'd need to be replaced and I'm then happy enough with the defence.  I'd then have a keeper next, I like Guzan but his distribution is becoming a big problem.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: *shellac* on August 30, 2015, 12:49:42 AM

Let's make a bid for Arsenal's current top scorer - Own Goal.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 30, 2015, 12:51:26 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 29, 2015, 11:45:46 PM

Thanks for putting words in my mouth but not once have I said "spend for the sake of spending"

I didn't say you did say that.

I was making a general point about spending for the sake of it in that it doesn't have to be purely about figures, but about who you get in.

I like Amavi, but I'd like him more if he'd cost 1m rather than 9m, for example.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 30, 2015, 12:56:35 AM

Lescott played left back for wba so maybe he will be competitive good for amavis place

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 30, 2015, 01:17:42 AM

Thats just silly footyskillz.

Lescott was only brought back in to the Baggies team because Brunt was injured, and for whatever reason, Pulis like to play 4x CBs in defence rather than buy a modern LB and RB. Having signed Chester and Evans, they now have 5x CBs plus Brunt who will be there adventurous defensive lineup this season as they set up 10 men behind the ball every game...unless the take a risk playing 2 men up front when the opposition go down to 10 or 9 men.

Chester
Evans
Olsson
McAuley
Dawson
Brunt

...pretty much tells you everything you need to know about Pulis and Baggies.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 30, 2015, 08:34:27 AM

Quote from: RussellC on August 29, 2015, 11:46:23 PM

Quote from: supertom on August 29, 2015, 11:31:37 PM

Austin strikes me as one of those types of players who tends to go in the last day or two of the window. I'd be very surprised if he doesn't end up leaving QPR. I'd love to have him here and I'd take the gamble. With the likes of Sinclair, Gil, Traore and Grealish, he should have a field day. He doesn't necessarily have to involve himself in build up play as we have quality players who can take and keep the ball in and around the penalty area. What we don't have, unless more faith is shown in Libor, is a striker who will anticipate the likes of Grealish and make the runs, find space or look to finish a chance ruthlessly.

Completely agree and think that Sinclair has highlighted that very fact this week. A top class poacher would get loads of goals in this team.

With Sinclair ghosting in from the left, and someone like Austin finding pockets in the penalty area (as long as they don't step on each others toes) I think we'll be scoring significantly more than we have in recent seasons.
I think between Gil, Grealish, Troare, Amavi, Veretout, we've got plenty of supply line. And Sinclair when he's not getting on the end of them.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on August 30, 2015, 08:35:08 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on August 30, 2015, 12:56:35 AM

Lescott played left back for wba so maybe he will be competitive good for amavis place

bugger  me did you see him at left back in the quarter final? a pallet of bricks would have been more mobile

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 30, 2015, 08:39:02 AM

Quote from: RussellC on August 29, 2015, 11:50:42 PM

Quote from: Dave on August 29, 2015, 11:38:06 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 29, 2015, 11:31:29 PM

But the point is that the clubs insure the player for the transfer fee they're paying, if I understand it correctly? Regardless of how many games he's played in the past few seasons, if Austin really does have a serious knee issue, no club will get insurance on a £15m fee.

So, how did West Ham, Newcastle and Chelsea manage to insure Demba Ba given that he failed a medical with Stoke due to his supposed knee problem?

Either by passing A medical at those clubs, or by those clubs choosing to run the risk of not having his transfer fee insured, I would imagine. I'm not suggesting that Austin can't be signed, just that clubs appear to be bulking at his asking price because of this issue. It wouldn't surprise me to see a number of clubs try their luck with lower bids as the deadline approaches.

So presumably if Austin passes a medical with us (and the fact that he's barely missed a game in his career through injury, and even when he did it was nothing to do with knee indicates that he probably would) then we'd have no problem insuring him?

And without him having a medical with us (or somebody else), then we'd have no idea of whether he would pass one, so "whether he can insured or not" clearly can't have anything to do with it?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 30, 2015, 09:26:54 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 29, 2015, 11:34:24 PM

Quote from: olaftab on August 29, 2015, 11:08:04 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 29, 2015, 09:17:46 PM

We must have one of , if not The lowest net spend across The PL this summer which is poor. We clearly need some quality and experience and again the board are looking to stay up on the cheap.

Net spend argument is bunk. We are the 4th biggest spending Club in the division and that's very good.

No that's the illusion , if you're naive enough to be taken in.
We've spent barely £5m which is a travesty and we are short in key areas.
The board have 3 days to get this sorted and properly support the manager .

We've spent over £40m, not barely £5m and the word 'travesty' is just so over the top it's untrue.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 30, 2015, 09:29:00 AM

this is all academic though; Randy will not be stumping up millions to sign Austin and millions to pay him for four or five years. It's a subsidized Adebayor on loan if he doesn't get his West Ham gig, Michu, or someone else on loan . And Lescott at a million or two.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on August 30, 2015, 09:42:23 AM

Quote from: Clampy on August 30, 2015, 09:26:54 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 29, 2015, 11:34:24 PM

Quote from: olaftab on August 29, 2015, 11:08:04 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 29, 2015, 09:17:46 PM

We must have one of , if not The lowest net spend across The PL this summer which is poor. We clearly need some quality and experience and again the board are looking to stay up on the cheap.

Net spend argument is bunk. We are the 4th biggest spending Club in the division and that's very good.

No that's the illusion , if you're naive enough to be taken in.
We've spent barely £5m which is a travesty and we are short in key areas.
The board have 3 days to get this sorted and properly support the manager .

We've spent over £40m, not barely £5m and the word 'travesty' is just so over the top it's untrue.

Yes maybe he over eggs it a bit but surely you can see what he means
Just by saying we have spent over 40 million whilst being true is not the whole point

We have also lost our two best players and bought in 40 millions less fees, so I can't see a problem with saying that

I'm not bothered about the overall spend just how we spend it and how the team starts to come together, but it still doesn't alter the fact that our nett spend isn't that much really

So far obvs

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 30, 2015, 09:51:06 AM

Quote from: john e on August 30, 2015, 09:42:23 AM

Quote from: Clampy on August 30, 2015, 09:26:54 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 29, 2015, 11:34:24 PM

Quote from: olaftab on August 29, 2015, 11:08:04 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 29, 2015, 09:17:46 PM

We must have one of , if not The lowest net spend across The PL this summer which is poor. We clearly need some quality and experience and again the board are looking to stay up on the cheap.

Net spend argument is bunk. We are the 4th biggest spending Club in the division and that's very good.

No that's the illusion , if you're naive enough to be taken in.
We've spent barely £5m which is a travesty and we are short in key areas.
The board have 3 days to get this sorted and properly support the manager .

We've spent over £40m, not barely £5m and the word 'travesty' is just so over the top it's untrue.

Yes maybe he over eggs it a bit but surely you can see what he means
Just by saying we have spent over 40 million whilst being true is not the whole point

We have also lost our two best players and bought in 40 millions less fees, so I can't see a problem with saying that

I'm not bothered about the overall spend just how we spend it and how the team starts to come together, but it still doesn't alter the fact that our nett spend isn't that much really

So far obvs

I can see what he means but he's also making it sound like we've spent nothing. I'd like to see us bring a couple more in as well and it sounds like we're trying to but at the end of the day, we've spent what money we had in and i'm ok with that because we needed to.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 30, 2015, 09:54:09 AM

With a tighter defence we'd already be 2 or 3 points better off, with an Austin type goal scorer aswell we'd be 3 or 4 points better off.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 30, 2015, 09:55:34 AM

It's one of those frustrating times for us though in that we have been here so many times.build a good side that can kick on but need that one player to fill in the jigsaw. We have a really decent side now, such a shame that we are that one player shy. Really think watching everyone else we would be top half with a decent striker.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 30, 2015, 10:18:31 AM

The real bummer though ozz is that we can score a shed load of goals with what we have got. Sinclair is full of goals and Adama, Carles and Jack will heap the chances on a plate for him. We have potentially an electrifying attack. It is stupid, stupid, stupid endless defensive cock ups, calamities and gift goals we have to put an end to. That is why I was so pissed off about the Notts game. Wow we won and scored five goals. Yes and played like the Keystone Kops in defence.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 30, 2015, 10:41:08 AM

Quote from: brian green on August 30, 2015, 10:18:31 AM

The real bummer though ozz is that we can score a shed load of goals with what we have got. Sinclair is full of goals and Adama, Carles and Jack will heap the chances on a plate for him. We have potentially an electrifying attack. It is stupid, stupid, stupid endless defensive cock ups, calamities and gift goals we have to put an end to. That is why I was so pissed off about the Notts game. Wow we won and scored five goals. Yes and played like the Keystone Kops in defence.

Which is why a gnarly, brutish and experienced defender is perfect.
 Lescott may get outpaced a few times in the next few years but I doubt he will make as many mistakes as a 21 year old prospect.

I agree that our weakness is the defence.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 30, 2015, 11:37:27 AM

Hutton and Lescott for the out of form Clark and the woeful this season Bacuna will help with that. The number of deflected goals we are conceding is frustrating. I also think Guzan was poor for the organisation of the wall yesterday.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: DB on August 30, 2015, 11:44:43 AM

Quote from: Clampy on August 30, 2015, 09:51:06 AM

Quote from: john e on August 30, 2015, 09:42:23 AM

Quote from: Clampy on August 30, 2015, 09:26:54 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 29, 2015, 11:34:24 PM

Quote from: olaftab on August 29, 2015, 11:08:04 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 29, 2015, 09:17:46 PM

We must have one of , if not The lowest net spend across The PL this summer which is poor. We clearly need some quality and experience and again the board are looking to stay up on the cheap.

Net spend argument is bunk. We are the 4th biggest spending Club in the division and that's very good.

No that's the illusion , if you're naive enough to be taken in.
We've spent barely £5m which is a travesty and we are short in key areas.
The board have 3 days to get this sorted and properly support the manager .

We've spent over £40m, not barely £5m and the word 'travesty' is just so over the top it's untrue.

Yes maybe he over eggs it a bit but surely you can see what he means
Just by saying we have spent over 40 million whilst being true is not the whole point

We have also lost our two best players and bought in 40 millions less fees, so I can't see a problem with saying that

I'm not bothered about the overall spend just how we spend it and how the team starts to come together, but it still doesn't alter the fact that our nett spend isn't that much really

So far obvs

I can see what he means but he's also making it sound like we've spent nothing. I'd like to see us bring a couple more in as well and it sounds like we're trying to but at the end of the day, we've spent what money we had in and i'm ok with that because we needed to.

o

Using money as a benchmark is not a good gauge. There are a number of factors to why a player is sold or bought for a given amount. But taking a step back you look at the signings at the end of the window and ask if the squad is better than it was at the end of last season, money spent is a little irrelevant. Come Tues night, then ask the question - have we improved the squad?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Leicester_Villian on August 30, 2015, 12:17:48 PM

There are 3 signings I would like to see before 6pm Tuesday
1) Lescott - likely to happen about 2 million max
2) Austin - seems unlikely but bet he is not at QPR still - 15 million
3) Heaton - not even mentioned anywhere but bet Burnley would accept 5 million and he would be a serious upgrade

i believe then we would have an excellent squad with good cover throughout with the next spend being around 20 million which is what we would expect and the previous manager spent in a couple of his years

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 30, 2015, 12:24:02 PM

Quote from: Leicester_Villian on August 30, 2015, 12:17:48 PM

3) Heaton - not even mentioned anywhere but bet Burnley would accept 5 million and he would be a serious upgrade

Based on what? Relegated goalkeepers always seem to go down with a great reputation just because they've been peppered with loads of shots and therefore have been able to make some impressive saves.

It was Heaton last year, Ruddy and Marshall the year before that and Ali Al-Habsi the year before that. The summer after they go down they are linked with all and sundry, only to them carry on with the club they were relegated with and forgotten about.

Next summer will probably be Ruddy's turn again to be the serious upgrade, while Heaton is nothing more than 'that bloke who looked alright at Burnley and was called into the England squad once'.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 30, 2015, 12:28:56 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 30, 2015, 09:55:34 AM

It's one of those frustrating times for us though in that we have been here so many times.build a good side that can kick on but need that one player to fill in the jigsaw. We have a really decent side now, such a shame that we are that one player shy. Really think watching everyone else we would be top half with a decent striker.

If only we showed a bit of ambition when Benteke was here :(

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Leicester_Villian on August 30, 2015, 12:39:26 PM

Heaton is based on what he has shown .....and he would be a serious upgrade on Guzan

Guzan was rightly dropped last year and his form is little better this ....Heaton to me would be an upgrade at the price we could pay

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 30, 2015, 12:50:46 PM

Heaton signed a new contract at Burnley in pre-season I think.

I like Guzan but he's not been as solid as he was when Lambert first put him in.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 30, 2015, 01:12:31 PM

Quote from: Dave on August 30, 2015, 08:39:02 AM

Quote from: RussellC on August 29, 2015, 11:50:42 PM

Quote from: Dave on August 29, 2015, 11:38:06 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 29, 2015, 11:31:29 PM

But the point is that the clubs insure the player for the transfer fee they're paying, if I understand it correctly? Regardless of how many games he's played in the past few seasons, if Austin really does have a serious knee issue, no club will get insurance on a £15m fee.

So, how did West Ham, Newcastle and Chelsea manage to insure Demba Ba given that he failed a medical with Stoke due to his supposed knee problem?

Either by passing A medical at those clubs, or by those clubs choosing to run the risk of not having his transfer fee insured, I would imagine. I'm not suggesting that Austin can't be signed, just that clubs appear to be bulking at his asking price because of this issue. It wouldn't surprise me to see a number of clubs try their luck with lower bids as the deadline approaches.

So presumably if Austin passes a medical with us (and the fact that he's barely missed a game in his career through injury, and even when he did it was nothing to do with knee indicates that he probably would) then we'd have no problem insuring him?

And without him having a medical with us (or somebody else), then we'd have no idea of whether he would pass one, so "whether he can insured or not" clearly can't have anything to do with it?

It's possible - I don't know. But wasn't GobShite Sullivan citing this as the issue with Austin last week? That they weren't prepared to pay £15m for a player they couldn't insure?

What do you think is holding clubs back from spending £15m on a 26 year old player who scored 18 Premiership goals last season if it's not this? I don't really get your point.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 30, 2015, 01:19:37 PM

Didn't Austin fail a medical at Hull before signing for QPR. I like him but the way QPR operate might mean they were the only club who didn't care about any risk involved.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 30, 2015, 01:21:56 PM

Look at it another way- would you spend £20k on a car if a mechanic told you it was liable to blow-up at any second, regardless of the fact that it had 200k on the clock? If it is a degenerative problem in his knee, the fact that he's already played so much football on it probably makes it even more of a problem.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on August 30, 2015, 01:47:25 PM

I'm sure Tim Sherwood would have all the info on Austin from Chris Ramsey and could make a pretty informed decision about fitness or suitability.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ktvillan on August 30, 2015, 02:19:18 PM

Quote from: brian green on August 30, 2015, 10:18:31 AM

The real bummer though ozz is that we can score a shed load of goals with what we have got. Sinclair is full of goals and Adama, Carles and Jack will heap the chances on a plate for him. We have potentially an electrifying attack. It is stupid, stupid, stupid endless defensive cock ups, calamities and gift goals we have to put an end to. That is why I was so pissed off about the Notts game. Wow we won and scored five goals. Yes and played like the Keystone Kops in defence.

I'd agree with that. Unfortunately Sherwood does have this reputation for not worrying too much about defence and relying on a gung-ho attacking we'll-score-one-more-than-you approach.  Which would make things very entertaining but would not provide a very solid basis on which to build the club up into a solid upper mid-table unit.  No-one will ever convince me that Clark or Baker are PL standard centre backs.  Okore I don't know but he was held back by his injury and deserves more of a chance to prove himself.  But I think we need to find another solid Mellberg/Laursen type (perhaps with better ball skills) to go alongside Richards.  I also think we could improve at RB and Keeper.  I really don't think Guzan is good enough.  I'd be disappointed if we only have net spend of 5 or 6m because we still have some clear weaknesses that need addressing.  Doing so would not be spending for the sake of it, but an investment of upcoming TV money in order to safeguard our continued participation at the top table.   

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on August 30, 2015, 02:30:42 PM

If he does have a dodgy knee that may or may not flair up at sometime in the future,
you can bet your last custard tart it will go just after he signs and gets up from the signing table

This is Aston Villa after all

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Nirog72 on August 30, 2015, 02:41:05 PM

We've never had a player with dodgy knees before have we.......

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 30, 2015, 02:42:17 PM

Tim could get word of mouth from his mate to tell him to go for him or not. This is why we didn't make an offer with inside knowledge from his mate.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 30, 2015, 02:45:04 PM

After Europe Transfer windows closed tomorrow we got extra 18 hours to buy players. I hope Tim could find a poacher in europe, a new right back and goalkeeper.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Leicester_Villian on August 30, 2015, 02:47:24 PM

Test the baggies with 25 million for Berahino ...... he scores goals and if we don't believe Austin is fit then who else is still out there?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on August 30, 2015, 02:48:35 PM

The problem with the striker situation is that we have already signed two and got another one back from injury
we now think the ones we have signed or already have arnt good enough, so let's sign some more

 I don't suppose you can just keep signing forwards for big money untill you get one that works, maybe you just have to work with what you have, or better still give the ones you just brought a bit of time to settle in

And I thought Gestede was pretty poor yesterday

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: DB on August 30, 2015, 02:50:43 PM

Quote from: Leicester_Villian on August 30, 2015, 02:47:24 PM

Test the baggies with 25 million for Berahino ...... he scores goals and if we don't believe Austin is fit then who else is still out there?

Look outside the UK and there are players, probably better value for money as Sherwood stated, British players are over-priced.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Leicester_Villian on August 30, 2015, 02:53:17 PM

Problem we have is:
1)Kozak - Tim obviously does not rate him, shame because I think he would offer something
2) Gestede - I don't believe he is Premiership class - good squad player to have
3) Ayew - Unknown but does seem he may take time to settle and show if he will make it
This is the Premiership and unless you have a player who will score 15+ a season you will struggle - which is the fear that I have for us

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on August 30, 2015, 02:55:05 PM

Valdes's move to Beskitas has fallen through. We should be in for him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Leicester_Villian on August 30, 2015, 02:55:20 PM

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Quote from: DB on August 30, 2015, 02:50:43 PM

Quote from: Leicester_Villian on August 30, 2015, 02:47:24 PM

Test the baggies with 25 million for Berahino ...... he scores goals and if we don't believe Austin is fit then who else is still out there?

Look outside the UK and there are players, probably better value for money as Sherwood stated, British players are over-priced.

The problem going overseas is that most of the time the player takes a season to settle and get to the pace
We don't have time to ease a proven striker from Europe into our team

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: DB on August 30, 2015, 02:56:18 PM

I would go for Hernadez, he may be off to Germany, but is much better / different option than we have.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on August 30, 2015, 03:02:12 PM

Quote from: Leicester_Villian on August 30, 2015, 02:53:17 PM

This is the Premiership and unless you have a player who will score 15+ a season you will struggle - which is the fear that I have for us

Really? Because I see Southampton's top scorer in the league last season was Pelle with 12, and we're not even aiming to achieve a position as high as they were last season. I agree in the sense that it's nice to have a player who will get you that many goals, but we'll be just fine so long as we get plenty of goals from everywhere else: say, Sinclair is our top scorer this season with 10-12, and then we get half a dozen each from Ayew, Kozak and Gestede, and a few goals from Gil, Grealish and Adama, there won't be any issues,

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 30, 2015, 03:06:51 PM

Quote from: Leicester_Villian on August 30, 2015, 02:53:17 PM

Problem we have is:
1)Kozak - Tim obviously does not rate him, shame because I think he would offer something
2) Gestede - I don't believe he is Premiership class - good squad player to have
3) Ayew - Unknown but does seem he may take time to settle and show if he will make it
This is the Premiership and unless you have a player who will score 15+ a season you will struggle - which is the fear that I have for us

the bold bit is one of the most repeated bullshit lines you ever see on football forums.  5 players scored 15+ last season and 1 of them was in a side that was relegated.  You only need a striker scoring loads if you can't get goals from anywhere else, in truth what you need is 4-6 players who get 5-10 each (the more players get into that group the less you need them to each score).  In my opinion Sinclair, Gestede and Adama have all shown they will get that many, I think Ayew has goals in him and I suspect once Jack breaks his duck he'll get a few as well.  If the defence and midfield can then chip in with 10-12 between them we should score enough.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on August 30, 2015, 03:33:43 PM

Quote from: Leicester_Villian on August 30, 2015, 02:53:17 PM

This is the Premiership and unless you have a player who will score 15+ a season you will struggle - which is the fear that I have for us

Nothing to do with Premiership (Premier League by the way) or struggling. If you have a goal scorer who can net 20 or so you will do well in most Leagues. If you don't it does not automatically means struggle as that depends on lot of other things.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 30, 2015, 03:59:08 PM

Not seen this mentioned any where.

Quote

Charlie Austin is among a host of Queens Park Rangers players who have had their monthly wages slashed in case they leave the club next week.

In an unusual cost-cutting exercise, a batch of players have had August's pay packet reduced in case they leave before Tuesday's 6pm transfer deadline.

Players were due to be paid on Friday, but some squad members awoke to find they were missing money, around a week's worth, from their monthly pay.

Players were not advised of the decision.

The cash was purposely deducted by the club so they do not overpay anyone who leaves before Tuesday's deadline.

It is assumed the club will reimburse players if they don't leave Loftus Road by Tuesday.

Among the players to have been affected are Austin, who has been linked with a host of Premier League clubs, and Rob Green - a target for West Ham

It is also believed that Junior Hoilett, Matt Phillips and Sandro have also had their pay reduced this month.

The disgruntled players expressed their grievances to club officials on Friday.

The move is part of a major cost-cutting drive by the club over the summer as Rangers look to get their finances back on track.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 30, 2015, 04:03:09 PM

Bit harsh isn't it. They signed a contract and now the club are breaching the contract. Looks like their bomb squad strategy to force certain players to leave before the deadline.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: DB on August 30, 2015, 04:29:13 PM

Quote from: Leicester_Villian on August 30, 2015, 02:55:20 PM

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Quote from: DB on August 30, 2015, 02:50:43 PM

Quote from: Leicester_Villian on August 30, 2015, 02:47:24 PM

Test the baggies with 25 million for Berahino ...... he scores goals and if we don't believe Austin is fit then who else is still out there?

Look outside the UK and there are players, probably better value for money as Sherwood stated, British players are over-priced.

The problem going overseas is that most of the time the player takes a season to settle and get to the pace
We don't have time to ease a proven striker from Europe into our team

Really? A season? I don't.see that at all, otherwise no-one would be buying foreigm players if it takes as long as that!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 30, 2015, 04:33:55 PM

I'd like matt Phillips, lescott and Hernandez. Rob green would be good competition for guzan.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 30, 2015, 04:45:39 PM

Rob Green is a walking fucking disaster. No thanks.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ian. on August 30, 2015, 04:49:36 PM

Quote from: DB on August 30, 2015, 04:29:13 PM

Quote from: Leicester_Villian on August 30, 2015, 02:55:20 PM

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Quote from: DB on August 30, 2015, 02:50:43 PM

Quote from: Leicester_Villian on August 30, 2015, 02:47:24 PM

Test the baggies with 25 million for Berahino ...... he scores goals and if we don't believe Austin is fit then who else is still out there?

Look outside the UK and there are players, probably better value for money as Sherwood stated, British players are over-priced.

The problem going overseas is that most of the time the player takes a season to settle and get to the pace
I'm
We don't have time to ease a proven striker from Europe into our team

Really? A season? I don't.see that at all, otherwise no-one would be buying foreigm players if it takes as long as that!

Benteke scored a fair few goals in his first season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 30, 2015, 04:50:50 PM

Id get an offer in after dante if he's off to Leicester , adebayor and , Hernandez on loan and lennon or matt Philips with free, Nolan, pienaar moses osman, and Walters . there's plenty of options affordable and names we all heard of which is now needed at this late stage. No more risks. Experienced players from premier league and Dante would be good.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 30, 2015, 05:14:04 PM

is that all of them or just one or two that you think would realistically come in?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 30, 2015, 05:16:04 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on August 30, 2015, 04:50:50 PM

Id get an offer in after dante if he's off to Leicester , adebayor and , Hernandez on loan and lennon or matt Philips with free, Nolan, pienaar moses osman, and Walters . there's plenty of options affordable and names we all heard of which is now needed at this late stage. No more risks. Experienced players from premier league and Dante would be good.

You don't mean the Stoke Walters, do you?

Jesus fecking Christ.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 30, 2015, 05:16:53 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 30, 2015, 05:14:04 PM

is that all of them or just one or two that you think would realistically come in?

No not all maybe one or two of this ilk. Also Robbie Brady was left back at Norwich today he would have been good enough and cheaper than amavi.

Ayewwww scores ... Sorry live typing

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 30, 2015, 05:19:38 PM

Quote from: Nirog72 on August 30, 2015, 02:41:05 PM

We've never had a player with dodgy knees before have we.......

We've never paid £15m for one, no...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 30, 2015, 05:19:39 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 30, 2015, 05:16:04 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on August 30, 2015, 04:50:50 PM

Id get an offer in after dante if he's off to Leicester , adebayor and , Hernandez on loan and lennon or matt Philips with free, Nolan, pienaar moses osman, and Walters . there's plenty of options affordable and names we all heard of which is now needed at this late stage. No more risks. Experienced players from premier league and Dante would be good.

You don't mean the Stoke Walters, do you?

Jesus fecking Christ.

And not to mention Kevin Fucking Nolan. Is that Russell Osman he's suggesting?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Gareth on August 30, 2015, 05:21:20 PM

The talk of goalkeepers and the bloody QPR article have given me a touch of the Zat Knight jitters....have now convinced myself that come Tuesday we will announce that the horrific Rob Green has signed...basically Guzan mkII....good point blank shot stopper, piss poor kicker, poor concentration ...although Guzan always looks smacked off his wotsits on Red Bull & Green dopey as owt.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 30, 2015, 05:28:51 PM

Quote from: Gareth on August 30, 2015, 05:21:20 PM

The talk of goalkeepers and the bloody QPR article have given me a touch of the Zat Knight jitters....have now convinced myself that come Tuesday we will announce that the horrific Rob Green has signed...basically Guzan mkII....good point blank shot stopper, piss poor kicker, poor concentration ...although Guzan always looks smacked off his wotsits on Red Bull & Green dopey as owt.

I too had a chill run down my spine at the same thought. Green must be related to Carson, both of them as solid as holograms between the sticks.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 30, 2015, 05:29:40 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 30, 2015, 05:19:39 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 30, 2015, 05:16:04 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on August 30, 2015, 04:50:50 PM

Id get an offer in after dante if he's off to Leicester , adebayor and , Hernandez on loan and lennon or matt Philips with free, Nolan, pienaar moses osman, and Walters . there's plenty of options affordable and names we all heard of which is now needed at this late stage. No more risks. Experienced players from premier league and Dante would be good.

You don't mean the Stoke Walters, do you?

Jesus fecking Christ.

And not to mention Kevin Fucking Nolan. Is that Russell Osman he's suggesting?

Richard Osman pointless. If Walters is as good as lescott and gets goals. Norwich  want him he's decent enough at this moment. Signing these players who clealry will be sold on if they are to develop well and make villa worth investing in makes business sense . having assests yes all well and good but some provern here and now players are needed . They 2 are Team players and good pros. Sherwood knoiws what he's getting with Walters and Nolan. I remember reading dammed united and cloughie brought in Dave mckay . john Gregory suggested joey Barton but no that's not team quality. And just a suggestion sorry if i annoyed you but I reason logic with it

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on August 30, 2015, 05:38:19 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on August 30, 2015, 05:29:40 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 30, 2015, 05:19:39 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 30, 2015, 05:16:04 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on August 30, 2015, 04:50:50 PM

Id get an offer in after dante if he's off to Leicester , adebayor and , Hernandez on loan and lennon or matt Philips with free, Nolan, pienaar moses osman, and Walters . there's plenty of options affordable and names we all heard of which is now needed at this late stage. No more risks. Experienced players from premier league and Dante would be good.

You don't mean the Stoke Walters, do you?

Jesus fecking Christ.

And not to mention Kevin Fucking Nolan. Is that Russell Osman he's suggesting?

Richard Osman pointless. If Walters is as good as lescott and gets goals. Norwich  want him he's decent enough at this moment. Signing these players who clealry will be sold on if they are to develop well and make villa worth investing in makes business sense . having assests yes all well and good but some provern here and now players are needed . They 2 are Team players and good pros. Sherwood knoiws what he's getting with Walters and Nolan. I remember reading dammed united and cloughie brought in Dave mckay . john Gregory suggested joey Barton but no that's not team quality. And just a suggestion sorry if i annoyed you but I reason logic with it

Cloughie bought Dave McKay in at Derby ,Villa Kicks, not at Leeds. A little bit better than either Walters or Nolan was the scottish great. But I see what you are getting at. That is why Lescott will be joining us next week.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 30, 2015, 05:56:40 PM

I could just about understand the logic in Hernandez because he will score goals in the right team, but he's massively short of confidence having watched him come on for Man Utd the other day (missed penalty and an open goal from 2yds).

Lennon, Nolan, Pienaar, Osman, Walters...apart from not being good enough and eating up valuable wage resources, realistically where do you think any of those players would fit into what TS is trying to build at Villa?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 30, 2015, 06:07:26 PM

Quote from: KRS on August 30, 2015, 05:56:40 PM

I could just about understand the logic in Hernandez because he will score goals in the right team, but he's massively short of confidence having watched him come on for Man Utd the other day (missed penalty and an open goal from 2yds).

Lennon, Nolan, Pienaar, Osman, Walters...apart from not being good enough and eating up valuable wage resources, realistically where do you think any of those players would fit into what TS is trying to build at Villa?

That penalty miss was fantastic.
He almost kicked it with his standing leg
as he went arse over tit.
He'd probably have got it closer as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 30, 2015, 06:09:35 PM

The look of the faces of LVG and Giggs was priceless! :D

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 30, 2015, 06:11:00 PM

Quote from: KRS on August 30, 2015, 06:09:35 PM

The look of the faces of LVG and Giggs was priceless! :D

It was like at the same time they found a shit nut in their mushy peas. LVG really has such a punchable face.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john2710 on August 30, 2015, 06:26:28 PM

I think anyone coming in will be linked with Kozak, N'Zogbia & Senderos leaving first. I'm hoping for two players coming in. We must get another experienced forward.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 30, 2015, 06:40:10 PM

but as you rightly say apart from Lescott who will cost PL peanuts, others have to be sold on or go on loan before anyone else can come in

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 30, 2015, 06:55:00 PM

Not necessarily. The loan window is open for 2 months so still time to shift a few out off the wage bill.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 30, 2015, 07:01:38 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 30, 2015, 05:19:39 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 30, 2015, 05:16:04 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on August 30, 2015, 04:50:50 PM

Id get an offer in after dante if he's off to Leicester , adebayor and , Hernandez on loan and lennon or matt Philips with free, Nolan, pienaar moses osman, and Walters . there's plenty of options affordable and names we all heard of which is now needed at this late stage. No more risks. Experienced players from premier league and Dante would be good.

You don't mean the Stoke Walters, do you?

Jesus fecking Christ.

And not to mention Kevin Fucking Nolan. Is that Russell Osman he's suggesting?

its old testament Moses and Leslie Phillips - carry on up the creek withou a paddle :o :o

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Leicester_Villian on August 30, 2015, 07:11:00 PM

Moses and Phillips are both basically wide players ...I think we have enough of those .....we need that man to put the ball in the net

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 30, 2015, 07:15:39 PM

I'd be interested to hear what available centre forward options footyskillz has found for us on his scouting mission (Austin, Adebayor and Hernandez don't count).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on August 30, 2015, 07:18:07 PM

According to Sky Sports News, West Ham closing on Javier Hernandez - annoying if they sign him; c'mon Tim, make a bid!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 30, 2015, 07:24:32 PM

Quote from: KRS on August 30, 2015, 07:15:39 PM

I'd be interested to hear what available centre forward options footyskillz has found for us on his scouting mission (Austin, Adebayor and Hernandez don't count).

Emile Heskey nearly scored for Bolton this weekend. We could probably trigger his release clause.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 30, 2015, 07:32:28 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on August 30, 2015, 07:24:32 PM

Quote from: KRS on August 30, 2015, 07:15:39 PM

I'd be interested to hear what available centre forward options footyskillz has found for us on his scouting mission (Austin, Adebayor and Hernandez don't count).

Emile Heskey nearly scored for Bolton this weekend. We could probably trigger his release clause.

And start a bidding war? No thanks.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 30, 2015, 07:39:54 PM

Quote from: KRS on August 30, 2015, 07:15:39 PM

I'd be interested to hear what available centre forward options footyskillz has found for us on his scouting mission (Austin, Adebayor and Hernandez don't count).

He has one eye on Danny Graham, one eye on  Victor Anichibe and the other eye on Cameron Jerome. :o :o :o

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 30, 2015, 07:56:45 PM

Not a centre forward, but Pione Sisto, who we were linked with around the same time that the rumours linking us to Traoré, has been left out of FC Midtjylland's squad for tonight's game against Hobro.

Apparently he's already turned down a move to West Ham after the clubs had agreed a fee of 50M dkk which is approx £4.5M.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 30, 2015, 08:02:16 PM

I mentioned him a few weeks ago and you gave me a much more balanced view - do you think he'd cut it in the PL?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on August 30, 2015, 08:27:41 PM

I wouldn't want Hernandez as he is of the same ilk as a Sinclair in terms of type of game. We need an upgrade on Gestede so it's a big(gish) man we need. Not a fan but I think Austin would have turned one point into 3 yesterday.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 30, 2015, 08:38:02 PM

Adebayor is the ideal man. Just got to get timmy to facial him good.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on August 30, 2015, 08:48:01 PM

Well yes he is but he clearly doesn't want to come here and he's due to have a medical at West Ham today (or 'was'). I think he'd fit and Villa's need outstrips my football fan's fuck him attitude.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on August 30, 2015, 09:11:09 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on August 30, 2015, 04:33:55 PM

Rob green would be good competition for guzan.

That's like saying petrol is good substitute for paraffin to put out a fire.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 30, 2015, 09:24:13 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 30, 2015, 08:02:16 PM

I mentioned him a few weeks ago and you gave me a much more balanced view - do you think he'd cut it in the PL?

Not sure. He looks good over here and has probably been FCM's best player over the last 2½ seasons, where they've won the league last year, thrown it away the year before and got of to a flyer this season.

As a rule of thumb I think that the further up the pitch you go the harder it is for players to adapt the better leagues. (Goalkeepers excepted, they are generally truly shite over here.)


Michael Krohn Dehli is the only example of a Danish midfield player doing OK in one of the major leagues, after 2 or 3 seasons at Celta Vigo and now playing for Sevilla, other than Eriksen who's obviously a special talent.
He'd be a bit of gamble, less so than Helenius but more so than Okore. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on August 30, 2015, 09:25:16 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 30, 2015, 08:38:02 PM

Adebayor is the ideal man. Just got to get timmy to facial him good.

Or Shane Long. I think he's gettable. lescott, long, and Routledge as a squad filler.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 30, 2015, 09:26:58 PM

I would definitely not be averse to Shane long

But didn't he cost £12m?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 30, 2015, 09:29:33 PM

Shane Long only scores against us. Therefore if we buy him we take away his only means of goal production and it will prove to be a colossal waste of money as he will have nobody to score against.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 30, 2015, 09:30:54 PM

Looks like Victor Valdes move has fallen through, he'd be ace, we could play him in midfield as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on August 30, 2015, 09:31:31 PM

Not sure at the cost but we haven't spent a great deal over the summer so I don't think a deal for Long and the other two would stretch Lerner. If we do announce our sale on Sept 2 he's likely to get the money back; if not then it's a fairly minimal net outlay for the summer especially considering the TV money that's flush in the pockets.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 30, 2015, 09:32:29 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 30, 2015, 09:29:33 PM

Shane Long only scores against us. Therefore if we buy him we take away his only means of goal production and it will prove to be a colossal waste of money as he will have nobody to score against.

Can't we sign him, but without telling him it's Villa he's signed for, and then just tell him every week before kick off 'it's Villa today, Shane, you always score against these.'?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 30, 2015, 09:34:46 PM

Quote from: Richard E on August 30, 2015, 09:32:29 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 30, 2015, 09:29:33 PM

Shane Long only scores against us. Therefore if we buy him we take away his only means of goal production and it will prove to be a colossal waste of money as he will have nobody to score against.

Can't we sign him, but without telling him it's Villa he's signed for, and then just tell him every week before kick off 'it's Villa today, Shane, you always score against these.'?

Maybe Sherwood can appointment a hypnotist as part of his coaching staff. Then he can tell the rest of the squad we are playing the bitters every week and Long that he's playing us. Bob's yer uncle we'll win the league.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 30, 2015, 09:37:35 PM

Long is a decent striker but very MON era type signing. Decent shot as would fit very nicely into our set up.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on August 30, 2015, 09:38:06 PM

Just don't bring him back for corners and he'll be fine. Score loads at West Ham for a start.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 30, 2015, 09:39:17 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 30, 2015, 01:12:31 PM

Quote from: Dave on August 30, 2015, 08:39:02 AM

Quote from: RussellC on August 29, 2015, 11:50:42 PM

Quote from: Dave on August 29, 2015, 11:38:06 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 29, 2015, 11:31:29 PM

But the point is that the clubs insure the player for the transfer fee they're paying, if I understand it correctly? Regardless of how many games he's played in the past few seasons, if Austin really does have a serious knee issue, no club will get insurance on a £15m fee.

So, how did West Ham, Newcastle and Chelsea manage to insure Demba Ba given that he failed a medical with Stoke due to his supposed knee problem?

Either by passing A medical at those clubs, or by those clubs choosing to run the risk of not having his transfer fee insured, I would imagine. I'm not suggesting that Austin can't be signed, just that clubs appear to be bulking at his asking price because of this issue. It wouldn't surprise me to see a number of clubs try their luck with lower bids as the deadline approaches.

So presumably if Austin passes a medical with us (and the fact that he's barely missed a game in his career through injury, and even when he did it was nothing to do with knee indicates that he probably would) then we'd have no problem insuring him?

And without him having a medical with us (or somebody else), then we'd have no idea of whether he would pass one, so "whether he can insured or not" clearly can't have anything to do with it?

It's possible - I don't know. But wasn't GobShite Sullivan citing this as the issue with Austin last week? (1) That they weren't prepared to pay £15m for a player they couldn't insure? (2)

What do you think is holding clubs back from spending £15m on a 26 year old player who scored 18 Premiership goals last season if it's not this? (3) I don't really get your point (4).

(1) Why would you base an opinion on anything, on something that David Sullivan has said?

He said: "Firstly, we haven't got £15m to spend under the fair play rules. Secondly, he failed a medical at Hull a couple of years ago. They say he has no ligaments in his knee, who knows?" So basically he's not got a clue. He's not seen any medical results, the player hasn't had a medical with his club, why would he have the first clue? He says that's he has no idea if he has any underlying medical problems.

(2) And he doesn't mention insurance anywhere in the interview (at least on a quick Google, unless the articles I read omitted that part). So why is this an issue with this particular transfer but doesn't seem to be for any other that's ever happened? Loic Remy failed a medical with Liverpool and then signed for Chelsea and has been fine. Presumably we shouldn't entertain any interest in Remy in the future because of a previously failed medical?

(3) Pretty much every report from earlier in the summer said that his wage demands were ridiculous. Some were suggesting £85,000 per week. Maybe it's that. Maybe it's something else. Maybe his agent has said that he thinks Man Utd are going to come in for him at the last minute and he shouldn't sign for anybody else too soon. Maybe he thinks that with a year left it's worth another year with QPR and having a free transfer next summer. Whatever it is, I'm going to trust that it's nothing to do with what that ignorant c**t David Sullivan speculates.

(4) Really it's just point (1) again. Why would you base an opinion on anything, on something that David Sullivan has said?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 30, 2015, 10:34:42 PM

I think I remember that Ronaldo (I) had some sort of insurance deal when he was at Real Madrid that basically covered all injuries bar the right knee. That was Ronaldo though, I guess.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 30, 2015, 10:37:45 PM

Definite no as far as Shane Long goes. Very average player.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 30, 2015, 11:15:22 PM

See Adebayor move to West Ham had reportedly fallen through

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 30, 2015, 11:16:31 PM

Quote from: supertom on August 30, 2015, 10:37:45 PM

Definite no as far as Shane Long goes. Very average player.

agree,another non goal scoring forward!
its goals we need and he does not score many.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 30, 2015, 11:19:33 PM

Shane Long is a slightly better version of Weimann. No thanks, we seem to have moved on from "they run around a lot and not much else" type players.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 30, 2015, 11:20:44 PM

Quote from: ChicagoLion on August 30, 2015, 11:16:31 PM

Quote from: supertom on August 30, 2015, 10:37:45 PM

Definite no as far as Shane Long goes. Very average player.

agree,another non goal scoring forward!
its goals we need and he does not score many.

I think he's a decent player, but i dont think he's what we need as i agree that he doesn't score enough.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Gareth on August 30, 2015, 11:29:22 PM

What's the story with Victor Valdes at the moment? Van Gaal cost them at least 2pts today playing that clown Romero so you have to assume he has frozen out Valdes....surely he wants to play games & they want shot...would love a loan deal to give Guzan a kick up the arse?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 30, 2015, 11:44:19 PM

Quote from: Gareth on August 30, 2015, 11:29:22 PM

What's the story with Victor Valdes at the moment? Van Gaal cost them at least 2pts today playing that clown Romero so you have to assume he has frozen out Valdes....surely he wants to play games & they want shot...would love a loan deal to give Guzan a kick up the arse?

Him and LVG fell out.

Quote

Victor Valdes has hit back at Louis van Gaal after the Manchester United manager claimed the goalkeeper refused to play in a reserve team game.

Speaking in Seattle ahead of Manchester United's first pre-season friendly, Louis van Gaal explained Valdes was not present on United's tour because the Spain World Cup winner "does not follow our philosophy and refused to play a second team game".

However Valdes has taken to Instagram to refute van Gaal's accusations, posting a collage of his previous appearances for Manchester United U21s along with the caption "?...#Respect"

He has also suggested that Van Gaal has shown him a lack of respect in going public with his claims.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 30, 2015, 11:47:05 PM

Shane long / weimann

Is that a joke?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 30, 2015, 11:59:12 PM

Regard the big striker man . origii on loan from Liverpool or ulloa if he's not being fancied at Leicester the other names I'll put out there literally in the fray ..Michael Frey of lille.
Good In the air and can play up top strong physical presence . however we have Kozak as well as gestde but thought I contribute.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 31, 2015, 12:06:44 AM

I did wonder about origi. He is both strong and fast. But think he's been disappointing in league football?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 31, 2015, 12:17:04 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on August 31, 2015, 12:06:44 AM

I did wonder about origi. He is both strong and fast. But think he's been disappointing in league football?

Once sturridge is back he wont get a look in. Ings too must be wondering how much he will play as does trippier these two are just two days of overestimating there abilities and skills have better been served getting first team action at villa. Spurs are notorious for buying players and them failing , Liverpool also have made recent purchasing without developing players I mean markovic for eg. Man city and Chelsea are worst offenders . Chelsea have players like lukaku, romelu even kakuta and pat van anholt to order extent that never get a look in but bought when their football education would have been better served elsewhere.
At least with the assets villa have bought we can give them opportunity I can't think of another premier league club doing business that way it's actually refreshing but somewhat experimental on the playing and developing side if not on the transfer assest side of things

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 31, 2015, 05:30:17 AM

Origi's goal scoring record is abysmal. That was another Rodgers own goal along with most of last season's signings from the sale of the buck tooth biter.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 31, 2015, 07:56:57 AM

There doesn't seem to be much speculation on the striker front and all the suggestions are we don't have significant sums to spend

I can't see Man U letting Wilson out on loan.

Worryingly, I'm struggling to think of a premier league team that I'd currently say seems to have worse centre forward options than us. Maybe Norwich and Sunderland? Or to illustrate it another way, and obviously this is only very illustrative, if you take a look at the strikers in fantasy football, you're scanning a long way down from most expensive to least before you start hitting villa players. We've a bunch all priced at a medium to low level. Which I think illustrates the quantity over quality issue that we have.

Obviously if gestede and ayew significantly improve, or gabby loses about a stone and recovers his old form that will change.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on August 31, 2015, 08:20:00 AM

I'm thinking that this could be the perfect way of Adebayor coming in last minute and people actually being pleased about it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Risso on August 31, 2015, 08:24:34 AM

Is today Eastie Day or is it tomorrow?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 31, 2015, 08:30:57 AM

Quote from: Risso on August 31, 2015, 08:24:34 AM

Is today Eastie Day or is it tomorrow?

Tomorrow

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 31, 2015, 09:41:49 AM

This is not a time for panic, this is time for a cool head, perspective and leadership. And if we haven't signed anyone by this time tomorrow then we panic on the streets of London, panic on the streets of Birmingham .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: CJ on August 31, 2015, 10:00:21 AM

Quote from: Dave on August 31, 2015, 08:30:57 AM

Quote from: Risso on August 31, 2015, 08:24:34 AM

Is today Eastie Day or is it tomorrow?

Tomorrow

It officially closes at 6 p.m. tomorrow and there's a Football Focus transfer deadline special on BBC2 at 5.15 covering the last bits

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 31, 2015, 10:13:06 AM

Quote from: Dave on August 31, 2015, 08:30:57 AM

Quote from: Risso on August 31, 2015, 08:24:34 AM

Is today Eastie Day or is it tomorrow?

Tomorrow

Is it today in Europe i.e. because they may not have the bank holiday monday?  Not sure where I have got that idea from. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 31, 2015, 10:22:19 AM

I think it's gonna be a quiet day or so overall.

If Chelsea or united get a striker in I think we should at least try for remy or Wilson on loan.

I'd have gone for adebayor but even with big concerns about a striker I think his attitude just stinks too much. Can't see us funding an Austin bid nor afobe

Michu or berbatov are surely not the answer

That leaves perhaps an up an coming young forward at a big club who needs a year on loan. Wouldn't know who though.

My best guess is we stick with what we have and I do think that spells bottom 6 unfortunately

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 31, 2015, 10:25:33 AM

Don't want to keep mentioning the other Ayew but it's a shame we didnt get him as I reckon him and gestede or Kozak would link up well

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 31, 2015, 11:04:16 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on August 30, 2015, 05:29:40 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 30, 2015, 05:19:39 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 30, 2015, 05:16:04 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on August 30, 2015, 04:50:50 PM

Id get an offer in after dante if he's off to Leicester , adebayor and , Hernandez on loan and lennon or matt Philips with free, Nolan, pienaar moses osman, and Walters . there's plenty of options affordable and names we all heard of which is now needed at this late stage. No more risks. Experienced players from premier league and Dante would be good.

You don't mean the Stoke Walters, do you?

Jesus fecking Christ.

And not to mention Kevin Fucking Nolan. Is that Russell Osman he's suggesting?

Richard Osman pointless. If Walters is as good as lescott and gets goals. Norwich  want him he's decent enough at this moment. Signing these players who clealry will be sold on if they are to develop well and make villa worth investing in makes business sense . having assests yes all well and good but some provern here and now players are needed . They 2 are Team players and good pros. Sherwood knoiws what he's getting with Walters and Nolan. I remember reading dammed united and cloughie brought in Dave mckay . john Gregory suggested joey Barton but no that's not team quality. And just a suggestion sorry if i annoyed you but I reason logic with it

Unless i've mis-read your post, why are you comparing Jonathan Walters to Lescott?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 31, 2015, 11:06:09 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 31, 2015, 10:13:06 AM

Quote from: Dave on August 31, 2015, 08:30:57 AM

Quote from: Risso on August 31, 2015, 08:24:34 AM

Is today Eastie Day or is it tomorrow?

Tomorrow

Is it today in Europe i.e. because they may not have the bank holiday monday?  Not sure where I have got that idea from.

The transfer window closing is held on the last day of the month

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 31, 2015, 11:07:17 AM

Quote from: footyskillz on August 31, 2015, 11:06:09 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 31, 2015, 10:13:06 AM

Quote from: Dave on August 31, 2015, 08:30:57 AM

Quote from: Risso on August 31, 2015, 08:24:34 AM

Is today Eastie Day or is it tomorrow?

Tomorrow

Is it today in Europe i.e. because they may not have the bank holiday monday?  Not sure where I have got that idea from.

The transfer window closing is held on the last day of the month

The deadline is tomorrow over here though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on August 31, 2015, 11:08:28 AM

We might get Lescott but I doubt we will see anybody else this window.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 31, 2015, 11:16:22 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 31, 2015, 10:13:06 AM

Quote from: Dave on August 31, 2015, 08:30:57 AM

Quote from: Risso on August 31, 2015, 08:24:34 AM

Is today Eastie Day or is it tomorrow?

Tomorrow

Is it today in Europe i.e. because they may not have the bank holiday monday?  Not sure where I have got that idea from. 

Midnight CET over here.  Don't know how that would effect transfers from Europe into the UK.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 31, 2015, 11:19:52 AM

Not saying I want us to sign him but Shane Long always struck me as a decent player.

Similarly - talking of Stripeys present and past - that James Morrison always struck me as underrated.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 31, 2015, 11:30:22 AM

I think Kozak might go but no chance with Charlie Chester, he's more than happy to sit it out and pick up the brown envelope. if Senderos isn't budging then maybe the £2m on Lescott isn't really worth it?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on August 31, 2015, 11:30:44 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 31, 2015, 11:19:52 AM

Not saying I want us to sign him but Shane Long always struck me as a decent player.

Similarly - talking of Stripeys present and past - that James Morrison always struck me as underrated.

I think if the Bitters hadn't have had Morrison last season they'd have dropped. Their most consistent player by far.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villatillidie25 on August 31, 2015, 11:35:44 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 31, 2015, 11:19:52 AM

Not saying I want us to sign him but Shane Long always struck me as a decent player.

Similarly - talking of Stripeys present and past - that James Morrison always struck me as underrated.

I expect Southampton would want to recoup the £10m they paid for him and I feel Morrison is one of those that is a decent enough squad player but nothing more. We are getting, finally, to the stage where we need to invest in players who are guaranteed to walk straight into the first team, resulting in current first teamers dropping to more squad player level.

I still think we are desperately short up front having not been hugely impressed with Rudy, feeling Ayew will take a good while to settle in - maybe 12 months - (if he ever does) and Gabby (whether you like him or not), simply not being a good enough goal scoring threat.
If we can get someone who is mobile but also a strong enough presence to play on their own; Gomis spring to mind (not that we could get him)

Having said all that, Lescott (at most) will be all that we get tomorrow and I am beginning to think that this won't happen either

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 31, 2015, 12:18:41 PM

James Collins available from wet spam apparently. Worth it for the experience?

Kozak to Hull? Just a hunch. Loan.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 31, 2015, 12:23:32 PM

With Jelavic about to join West Ham, and also some of Sherwood's veiled comments about Adebayor I wonder if this one will happen tomorrow?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on August 31, 2015, 12:32:46 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 31, 2015, 12:23:32 PM

With Jelavic about to join West Ham, and also some of Sherwood's veiled comments about Adebayor I wonder if this one will happen tomorrow?

What were his comments about Adebayor?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on August 31, 2015, 12:35:56 PM

Aye, West Ham are clearly looking at other options, so even if Adebayor wants them, I don't think the feeling is mutual.

Palace is the only other realistic option, but they seem well covered for forwards now.

I can see the argument for more experience up top.

But I never wanted him at the outset and I still don't now.   Particularly if we were way down on his preferred list.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 31, 2015, 12:37:19 PM

FFS! Yanited have (apparently) signed Martial for 36.6 m. He scored less than Ayew did last season! And this after LVGoul said he wouldn't be making any panic buys.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 31, 2015, 12:44:29 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on August 31, 2015, 12:32:46 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 31, 2015, 12:23:32 PM

With Jelavic about to join West Ham, and also some of Sherwood's veiled comments about Adebayor I wonder if this one will happen tomorrow?

What were his comments about Adebayor?

just that nothing was being ruled out. Nothing overly specific.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: CJ on August 31, 2015, 12:51:27 PM

I think Adebayor will come in right at the end of the window. Think Sherwood and Levy are waiting to see who'll blink first - Levy wants £5m off his books, Sherwood isn't prepared to pay all his wages. Resolution at 5.59.59 tomorrow

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: spangley1812 on August 31, 2015, 12:58:18 PM

Liverpool have accepted a bid worth up to £10m for forward Fabio Borini from fellow Premier League side Sunderland.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 31, 2015, 01:04:39 PM

Quote from: spangley1812 on August 31, 2015, 12:58:18 PM

Liverpool have accepted a bid worth up to £10m for forward Fabio Borini from fellow Premier League side Sunderland.

I bet they bloody well have.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 31, 2015, 01:07:05 PM

Quote from: spangley1812 on August 31, 2015, 12:58:18 PM

Liverpool have accepted a bid worth up to £10m for forward Fabio Borini from fellow Premier League side Sunderland.

Hasn't this situation been reached previously, and he didn't want to go?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 31, 2015, 01:07:05 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on August 31, 2015, 01:04:39 PM

Quote from: spangley1812 on August 31, 2015, 12:58:18 PM

Liverpool have accepted a bid worth up to £10m for forward Fabio Borini from fellow Premier League side Sunderland.

I bet they bloody well have.

They turned it down before. Why is anyone's guess.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 31, 2015, 01:07:31 PM

Surely there is an extra 0 in that number for Borini?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 31, 2015, 01:10:29 PM

there seems to be quite a few non goal scoring forwards on the market,

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 31, 2015, 01:12:35 PM

Sunderland seem intent on repeatedly wasting money. Every summer they seem to find a player that everyone else would consider the least value for money and buy him. A potential strike force of Borini and Fletcher at a cost of £22m+. No wonder the fans are going home at half time half the matches.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: adrenachrome on August 31, 2015, 01:12:58 PM

Quote

Sky Sports News HQ ‏@SSNHQOfficial 7m7 minutes ago Birmingham, England

BREAKING: Sky Sources: Aston Villa have reportedly made a bid for @celticfc striker Leigh Griffiths. More to come soon. #AVFC #SSNHQ

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2015, 01:13:22 PM

Please tell me the SSNHQOfficial twitter account is a fake one?

Reporting that we have made a bid for Leigh Griffiths, which would be well,..... underwhelming to say the bloody least!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2015, 01:16:01 PM

Must be fake, saying we have offered 9m. Which would be a totally ridiculous amount, considering Austin would be 15m.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 31, 2015, 01:16:33 PM

Ugghh. Isn't he only a little chap as well? Got to be a fake, hasn't it? Come on, after all the dealing this summer to end it with Griffiths from Scottish non league football would be disappointing. Let's hijack the Borini deal...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Doorbell on August 31, 2015, 01:17:52 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 31, 2015, 01:07:31 PM

Surely there is an extra 0 in that number for Borini?

and an extra m

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on August 31, 2015, 01:18:17 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 31, 2015, 01:13:22 PM

Please tell me the SSNHQOfficial twitter account is a fake one?

Reporting that we have made a bid for Leigh Griffiths, which would be well,..... underwhelming to say the bloody least!

87 followers says it all. The real one has 4 million.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 31, 2015, 01:18:27 PM

Quote from: Newby on August 31, 2015, 12:18:41 PM

James Collins available from wet spam apparently. Worth it for the experience?

 ;D

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 31, 2015, 01:18:40 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 31, 2015, 01:13:22 PM

Please tell me the SSNHQOfficial twitter account is a fake one?

Reporting that we have made a bid for Leigh Griffiths, which would be well,..... underwhelming to say the bloody least!

It looks fake, it's only got 87 followers.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: adrenachrome on August 31, 2015, 01:21:21 PM

Quote from: Clampy on August 31, 2015, 01:18:40 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 31, 2015, 01:13:22 PM

Please tell me the SSNHQOfficial twitter account is a fake one?

Reporting that we have made a bid for Leigh Griffiths, which would be well,..... underwhelming to say the bloody least!

It looks fake, it's only got 87 followers.

Yes. They've followed it with:

Sky Sports News HQ ‏@SSNHQOfficial 7m7 minutes ago Birmingham, England

BREAKING: Sky Sources:: The rejected fee is believed to be in the region of £9m. #AVFC strongly backed to place a second bid.
1 retweet 0 favorites
Sky Sports News HQ ‏@SSNHQOfficial 8m8 minutes ago Birmingham, England

BREAKING: Sky Sources: Aston Villa's bid has been immediately rejected for @celticfc striker Leigh Griffiths. #AVFC

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 31, 2015, 01:22:19 PM

Who's Leigh Griffiths ?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 31, 2015, 01:23:29 PM

Bearing in mind it uses the Sky Sports logo and images of presenters, i'm surprised it hasn't been taken down although maybe with only 87 followers it's hardly worth the hassle.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2015, 01:23:47 PM

A little bloke with a strange forhead

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: spangley1812 on August 31, 2015, 01:25:54 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 31, 2015, 01:22:19 PM

Who's Leigh Griffiths ?

wasnt he @ Wolves a couple of seasons ago

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 31, 2015, 01:27:16 PM

Quote from: spangley1812 on August 31, 2015, 01:25:54 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 31, 2015, 01:22:19 PM

Who's Leigh Griffiths ?

wasnt he @ Wolves a couple of seasons ago

Yes, and isn't he also a bellend?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: adrenachrome on August 31, 2015, 01:29:24 PM

Quote from: spangley1812 on August 31, 2015, 01:25:54 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 31, 2015, 01:22:19 PM

Who's Leigh Griffiths ?

wasnt he @ Wolves a couple of seasons ago

That's him. Was on trial at West Brom under Mowbray as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 31, 2015, 01:46:15 PM

This is a sign of how low we have sunk.

A rubbish spoof account on the ever reliable Twitter has made up a rumour we've made a bid for a footballer I've never heard of from a team in Scotland for a silly amount of money.

Sort it out Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 31, 2015, 01:56:51 PM

he also had a Tonev moment didn't he for some racially offensive comments posted on Twatter? Anyway he's an ugly cnut so its a no, even though its not real.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Monty on August 31, 2015, 02:02:29 PM

Leigh Griffiths is a nutter.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 31, 2015, 02:05:42 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 31, 2015, 01:56:51 PM

he also had a Tonev moment didn't he for some racially offensive comments posted on Twatter? Anyway he's an ugly cnut so its a no, even though its not real.

He got in trouble for Tweeting that somebody should "go back to their own country" and, having apologised and been disciplined, he was then caught singing a song about a Hearts player being a refugee.

I wouldn't want such racist UKIPpery at Villa Park but, as the rumour seems to have originated from an internet fantasist, I'm not too worried.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mcgrath_85 on August 31, 2015, 02:17:43 PM

It's a fake account. It's bollocks. Move on.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: itbrvilla on August 31, 2015, 02:25:38 PM

Quote from: adrenachrome on August 31, 2015, 01:21:21 PM

Quote from: Clampy on August 31, 2015, 01:18:40 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 31, 2015, 01:13:22 PM

Please tell me the SSNHQOfficial twitter account is a fake one?

Reporting that we have made a bid for Leigh Griffiths, which would be well,..... underwhelming to say the bloody least!

It looks fake, it's only got 87 followers.

Yes. They've followed it with:

Sky Sports News HQ ‏@SSNHQOfficial 7m7 minutes ago Birmingham, England

BREAKING: Sky Sources:: The rejected fee is believed to be in the region of £9m. #AVFC strongly backed to place a second bid.
1 retweet 0 favorites
Sky Sports News HQ ‏@SSNHQOfficial 8m8 minutes ago Birmingham, England

BREAKING: Sky Sources: Aston Villa's bid has been immediately rejected for @celticfc striker Leigh Griffiths. #AVFC

Which sad fuck nugget has the time to run a fake SSN Twitter account? The next extinction event can't happen quick enough

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2015, 02:36:11 PM

Considering the TV money and what we have bought back in, surely would could find a deal with QPR and just get Austin to score us some goals up top? Maybe even send Kozak and Gardner the other way for the season on loan as part of it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on August 31, 2015, 02:36:38 PM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 31, 2015, 01:18:27 PM

Quote from: Newby on August 31, 2015, 12:18:41 PM

James Collins available from wet spam apparently. Worth it for the experience?

 ;D

No crap player just like Baker but with experience....very bad experience!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JJ-AV on August 31, 2015, 02:56:27 PM

Source says Adebayor transfer isn't dead. Defoe is an outside chance. Take it with a pinch of salt, relative of someone on the senior coaching staff - but we're not Adebayor's first choice, but he will move this window. Supposedly.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 31, 2015, 02:59:47 PM

are they both holed up at the Belfry? Meanwhile north of the border, Dundee are looking to loan Riccardo Calder.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 31, 2015, 03:07:01 PM

we are now being linked with a French (what else!) striker called Gaetan Charbonnier

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: richard moore on August 31, 2015, 03:13:35 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 31, 2015, 01:07:31 PM

Surely there is an extra 0 in that number for Borini?

I think you're right TV, £100 million sounds more realistic to me for Borini

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: *shellac* on August 31, 2015, 03:30:15 PM

Signing Borini for £10m? The Sunderland manager must be a Dick.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 31, 2015, 03:33:02 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 31, 2015, 03:07:01 PM

we are now being linked with a French (what else!) striker called Gaetan Charbonnier

Sounds like a bottle of wine.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: adrenachrome on August 31, 2015, 03:45:24 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 31, 2015, 03:07:01 PM

we are now being linked with a French (what else!) striker called Gaetan Charbonnier

Quote

14:24  Aston Villa, Hamburg & Mainz after Gaetan Charbonnier

According to BeIN Sports, Aston Villa, Mainz and Hamburg are all in advanced negotiations with Reims over the possible transfer of versatile forward player Gaetan Charbonnier.

Interesting...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 31, 2015, 03:49:39 PM

Quote from: Clampy on August 31, 2015, 03:33:02 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 31, 2015, 03:07:01 PM

we are now being linked with a French (what else!) striker called Gaetan Charbonnier

Sounds like a bottle of wine.

Looks like a cheap bottle of Rose. I doubt this guy is going to be the answer to our goal scoring problems if this link is genuine.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: itbrvilla on August 31, 2015, 03:53:58 PM

Quote from: richard moore on August 31, 2015, 03:13:35 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 31, 2015, 01:07:31 PM

Surely there is an extra 0 in that number for Borini?

I think you're right TV, £100 million sounds more realistic to me for Borini

Penis Egg Drink

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 31, 2015, 04:37:50 PM

De Guzman apparently going on loan to Bournemouth, with an option to buy at £3.5m. Was superb at Swansea, would love him at Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 31, 2015, 04:38:03 PM

Leigh Griffiths, you are having a laugh.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 31, 2015, 05:02:53 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 31, 2015, 04:38:03 PM

Leigh Griffiths, you are having a laugh.

Yes, it's from a fake account. Nothing to see here.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eamonn on August 31, 2015, 05:13:08 PM

Defoe then? Hope we're not landed with his secretary/web-developer/life-organiser's wages too...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 31, 2015, 05:22:59 PM

German window now closed so kozak clearly not off to Mainz

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 31, 2015, 05:24:01 PM

we really don't need Defoe, well past his best and on big money at Blunderland

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 31, 2015, 05:25:50 PM

Quote from: eamonn on August 31, 2015, 05:13:08 PM

Defoe then?

Fuck no.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 31, 2015, 05:26:55 PM

Agree. We saw all the problems he presents on Saturday.he can't play no 9 but when he plays wide the oppo full back has half the pitch to play in and he doesn't contribute much in the build up

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: *shellac* on August 31, 2015, 05:28:03 PM

I don't trust footballers by the name of Jermain(e).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2015, 05:33:12 PM

Defoe is clearly both past it and way over paid for hid contribution. Would not suit us at all. Austin, Afobe, Remy even Ciise would be better options.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 31, 2015, 05:58:30 PM

Defoe is wasted playing wide in a front three at Slumberland.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 31, 2015, 06:00:20 PM

Remy would be brilliant, but not likely

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 31, 2015, 06:05:18 PM

Defoe is 32 and has an insane three years left on his deal, and is said to be on 70k a week or so (his exact pay is calculated by some kind of combination of factors).

Anyone signing him is going to have to offer him something like 70k a week and a three year deal.

Regardless of what he can and can't do now, I reckon that is one of the most desperate signings in years.

Imagine Defoe nudging 35 and still costing you 70k a week.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 31, 2015, 06:06:51 PM

Remy is completely wasted at Chelsea.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 31, 2015, 06:09:23 PM

Totally agree and would love him at VP. As for Defoe what is that personal assistant hubris about? If anything ever qualified the gimlet eyed dwarf for being a total fuck nugget that does.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Fasth56 on August 31, 2015, 06:12:57 PM

Quote from: Gareth on August 30, 2015, 11:29:22 PM

What's the story with Victor Valdes at the moment? Van Gaal cost them at least 2pts today playing that clown Romero so you have to assume he has frozen out Valdes....surely he wants to play games & they want shot...would love a loan deal to give Guzan a kick up the arse?

According to the betting at Sky bet the odds of him joining Watford have dropped to 8/1 from 33/1 but he is still favourite to go to Marseille. We should be nicking that deal

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 31, 2015, 06:13:48 PM

What are the rules for these European transfer windows? They are closing today so does that mean that they can't sell or just not sign anymore players?

Hernandez just confirmed as signing for Bayer Leverkusen for £9m from Man Utd.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Risso on August 31, 2015, 06:21:17 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 31, 2015, 06:05:18 PM

Defoe is 32 and has an insane three years left on his deal, and is said to be on 70k a week or so (his exact pay is calculated by some kind of combination of factors).

Anyone signing him is going to have to offer him something like 70k a week and a three year deal.

Regardless of what he can and can't do now, I reckon that is one of the most desperate signings in years.

Imagine Defoe nudging 35 and still costing you 70k a week.

I'd prefer not to, it makes my mind start thinking of Heskey.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 31, 2015, 06:23:14 PM

Make it stop please, both of you.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 31, 2015, 06:24:09 PM

SSN: Players cannot be signed for European clubs but can still be sold.

Transfer deadlines today:
11pm Spain
11pm France
10pm Italy
Closed Germany

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 31, 2015, 06:27:01 PM

Quote from: KRS on August 31, 2015, 06:24:09 PM

SSN: Players cannot be signed for European clubs but can still be sold.

Transfer deadlines today:
11pm Spain
11pm France
10pm Italy
Closed Germany

SSN: Breaking news

Sky sports understands pope is Catholic.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: el león Benidorm on August 31, 2015, 06:28:47 PM

Quote from: KRS on August 31, 2015, 06:24:09 PM

SSN: Players cannot be signed for European clubs but can still be sold.

Transfer deadlines today:
11pm Spain
11pm France
10pm Italy
Closed Germany

So the chance of offloading some dead wood - Nzog I'm looking at you - to some unsuspecting European side seems like it has somewhere between no and f*ck all chance.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 31, 2015, 06:30:36 PM

Not really...theres still 2 months of the loan window to get rid of a few off the payroll for the season once the transfer deadline window closes tomorrow.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 31, 2015, 06:43:17 PM

Quote from: KRS on August 31, 2015, 06:30:36 PM

Not really...theres still 2 months of the loan window to get rid of a few off the payroll for the season once the transfer deadline window closes tomorrow.

Only lower leagues?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 31, 2015, 06:46:54 PM

I'm not quite sure on the loan window rules but the standard of player we need to get rid of would just about be Championship level...presumably we'd have to subsidise something like 50% of the wages but thats better than nothing.

N'Zog, Baker, Cole, Senderos, Richardson/Bennett...they could all do a job for a top half Championship club.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 31, 2015, 06:56:37 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 31, 2015, 06:09:23 PM

Totally agree and would love him at VP. As for Defoe what is that personal assistant hubris about? If anything ever qualified the gimlet eyed dwarf for being a total fuck nugget that does.

A fantastic description Mr Underhill.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 31, 2015, 07:19:00 PM

Quote from: KRS on August 31, 2015, 06:46:54 PM

I'm not quite sure on the loan window rules but the standard of player we need to get rid of would just about be Championship level...presumably we'd have to subsidise something like 50% of the wages but thats better than nothing.

N'Zog, Baker, Cole, Senderos, Richardson/Bennett...they could all do a job for a top half Championship club.

I can't see any Championship club paying half of N'Zogbia's wages, that's still about £32,000 a week.

I think we're likely stuck with him until May.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 31, 2015, 07:30:38 PM

Maybe we can palm him off on QPR as [art pf an Austin deal. They are thick enough to sign him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2015, 07:33:31 PM

I was thinking I would offer him, even while paying his full wages, to try and sweeten a deal for someone like Austin.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 31, 2015, 07:57:00 PM

Not looking good is it. I thought Ray Wilkins may have held some sway still at Chelsea and could of at least secured us a top loan player like Remy.
What is the point in Ray being here otherwise

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 31, 2015, 07:58:25 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 31, 2015, 07:57:00 PM

Not looking good is it. I thought Ray Wilkins may have held some sway still at Chelsea and could of at least secured us a top loan player like Remy.
What is the point in Ray being here otherwise

He is helping Gabby with his diet.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2015, 08:08:39 PM

So what is James Wilson like? Anyone seen much of him?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 31, 2015, 08:15:11 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 31, 2015, 08:08:39 PM

So what is James Wilson like? Anyone seen much of him?

I'd guess he's very raw, barely played any real competitive football, hasn't been out on loan yet. I wouldn't pin any hopes on an unblooded kid doing anything for us. Would be a huge gamble for me.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 31, 2015, 08:21:38 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 31, 2015, 07:57:00 PM

Not looking good is it. I thought Ray Wilkins may have held some sway still at Chelsea and could of at least secured us a top loan player like Remy.
What is the point in Ray being here otherwise

Can't you go a day without posting utter shit?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 31, 2015, 08:22:06 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 31, 2015, 08:08:39 PM

So what is James Wilson like? Anyone seen much of him?

Why do you ask?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 31, 2015, 08:25:35 PM

Quote from: Clampy on August 31, 2015, 08:21:38 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 31, 2015, 07:57:00 PM

Not looking good is it. I thought Ray Wilkins may have held some sway still at Chelsea and could of at least secured us a top loan player like Remy.
What is the point in Ray being here otherwise

Can't you go a day without posting utter shit?

No need

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 31, 2015, 08:27:44 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 31, 2015, 08:25:35 PM

Quote from: Clampy on August 31, 2015, 08:21:38 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 31, 2015, 07:57:00 PM

Not looking good is it. I thought Ray Wilkins may have held some sway still at Chelsea and could of at least secured us a top loan player like Remy.
What is the point in Ray being here otherwise

Can't you go a day without posting utter shit?

No need

No, there's not.

Why should Ray Wilkins be here again, do remind me?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 31, 2015, 08:32:09 PM

Do you honestly think that Sherwood appointed him as a coach only because he might be able to persuade Fabregas, Hazard, Costa or whoever to come to Villa?

Seriously, why do you think he was appointed?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 31, 2015, 08:35:57 PM

Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 31, 2015, 08:32:09 PM

Do you honestly think that Sherwood appointed him as a coach only because he might be able to persuade Fabregas, Hazard, Costa or whoever to come to Villa?

Seriously, why do you think he was appointed?

Because they're sex people?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 31, 2015, 08:37:36 PM

In fairness, it was one of his more sensible posts. I'm surprised he didn't ask if a date had been set for the Blues game.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on August 31, 2015, 08:39:00 PM

I can't believe Sherwood has no sway at all with Tottenham. I expected Lloris to be here on a season long loan. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 31, 2015, 08:40:34 PM

My personal view on Ray as a coach is very poor and the stats probably back that up. I was hopeful he would be able to get us a loan or two from Chelsea's very benevolent loan department . Remy being the most obvious player we could do with.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on August 31, 2015, 08:44:22 PM

Remy would be fantastic, but as he's only one of three strikers there - and the other two have injury/disciplinary issues - it's unlikely Mourinho would let him go.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 31, 2015, 08:44:46 PM

I would not say no to their team doctor.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2015, 08:45:44 PM

He left Chelsea under a cloud when Abramovic got rid under Ancelloti's nose. Why would he hold sway over a player who joined years later!??!

Oulere being linked with QPR for 5m, with Austin going to Palace. If Oulare, even raw as he is, has the potential to be the next Benteke we should be in before he is 20m in 18 months time.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 31, 2015, 08:47:53 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 31, 2015, 08:40:34 PM

My personal view on Ray as a coach is very poor and the stats probably back that up. I was hopeful he would be able to get us a loan or two from Chelsea's very benevolent loan department . Remy being the most obvious player we could do with.

What is that view based on exactly?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 31, 2015, 08:48:57 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 31, 2015, 08:40:34 PM

My personal view on Ray as a coach is very poor and the stats probably back that up. I was hopeful he would be able to get us a loan or two from Chelsea's very benevolent loan department . Remy being the most obvious player we could do with.

So your basing your knowledge of Wilkins as a coach on the fact that he can't coax players from a club he coached years ago? You're either taking the piss or you're genuinely stupid. I'm swaying towards both.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 31, 2015, 08:51:26 PM

Ray has the ear of Jose to a degree so may be able to influence .
Whilst I believe it was an acrimonious exit from CFC and subsequent tribunal .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on August 31, 2015, 08:52:48 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 31, 2015, 08:40:34 PM

My personal view on Ray as a coach is very poor

You have a very poor view....I agree completely.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on August 31, 2015, 08:55:24 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 31, 2015, 08:51:26 PM

Ray has the ear of Jose to a degree so may be able to influence .
Whilst I believe it was an acrimonious exit from CFC and subsequent tribunal .

This hilarious. Thank you😂

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 31, 2015, 08:56:33 PM

Can we have less of the insults please.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 31, 2015, 08:59:36 PM

It's just Cooper's Injury all over again and still as annoying.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SW9-VILLA on August 31, 2015, 09:29:18 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on August 31, 2015, 06:56:37 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 31, 2015, 06:09:23 PM

Totally agree and would love him at VP. As for Defoe what is that personal assistant hubris about? If anything ever qualified the gimlet eyed dwarf for being a total fuck nugget that does.

A fantastic description Mr Underhill.

Seconded

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 31, 2015, 09:32:05 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 31, 2015, 08:40:34 PM

My personal view on Ray as a coach is very poor and the stats probably back that up. I was hopeful he would be able to get us a loan or two from Chelsea's very benevolent loan department . Remy being the most obvious player we could do with.

I don't want it to seem like a group attack on you mate but what stats probably show Wilkins is a crap coach?

Please don't say because he's been sacked from everywhere, that's the life of coaches in Football, new regimes take over and they want their own men in.

Sacked from Fulham after he got them to the play offs, they subsequently got knocked out without him. Coached Chelsea when they won the double. I'm not quite so sure what suggests he's very poor?

Also I don't think he's ever worked under Mourinho from memory.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on August 31, 2015, 09:33:25 PM

Ah well I will leave it now and wait for  Natalie Sawyer to bring me relief in the morning.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on August 31, 2015, 09:34:18 PM

Quote from: olaftab on August 31, 2015, 09:33:25 PM

Ah well I will leave it now and wait for  Natalie Sawyer to bring me relief in the morning.

Join the queue, mate...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: four fornicholl on August 31, 2015, 09:36:58 PM

hope this isn't a daft question but what are the reasons(financial maybe?) that we don't get many players on loan?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2015, 09:37:36 PM

Most amusing rumour on twitter has to be Spurs fans convincing themselves of the idea they can get Grealish for £5m

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 31, 2015, 09:38:17 PM

Give Ray time, he's working on it. Ray 'the fixer' Wilkins.
He'll have Hazard in by tea time.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 31, 2015, 09:39:58 PM

Quote from: olaftab on August 31, 2015, 09:33:25 PM

Ah well I will leave it now and wait for  Natalie Sawyer to bring me relief in the morning.

You can keep her. One of her eyes has gone weird.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2015, 09:45:28 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 31, 2015, 09:39:58 PM

Quote from: olaftab on August 31, 2015, 09:33:25 PM

Ah well I will leave it now and wait for  Natalie Sawyer to bring me relief in the morning.

You can keep her. One of her eyes has gone weird.

As if it would make a difference!!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Surrey Villain on August 31, 2015, 09:51:41 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 31, 2015, 09:39:58 PM

Quote from: olaftab on August 31, 2015, 09:33:25 PM

Ah well I will leave it now and wait for  Natalie Sawyer to bring me relief in the morning.

You can keep her. One of her eyes has gone weird.

That's from watching you out of the corner of it!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 31, 2015, 09:55:18 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 31, 2015, 08:45:44 PM

He left Chelsea under a cloud when Abramovic got rid under Ancelloti's nose. Why would he hold sway over a player who joined years later!??!

Oulere being linked with QPR for 5m, with Austin going to Palace. If Oulare, even raw as he is, has the potential to be the next Benteke we should be in before he is 20m in 18 months time.

I actually watched 2nd leg of Brugge Man United on BT showcase just to have a look at him. He didn't get off the bench.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 31, 2015, 10:10:15 PM

Quote from: brian green on August 31, 2015, 08:44:46 PM

I would not say no to their team doctor.

I think you might be a little late.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 31, 2015, 10:14:23 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 31, 2015, 08:40:34 PM

My personal view on Ray as a coach is very poor and the stats probably back that up. I was hopeful he would be able to get us a loan or two from Chelsea's very benevolent loan department . Remy being the most obvious player we could do with.

At the risk of getting pulled up for letting fly with the insults, but that is possibly the most inane thing I've seen on here since Greg Nash disappeared up his own arsehole.

Your basing an assertion on a feeling that may or may not be backed up by stats you can't be arsed to look up?

That'll be the coach for Ancelotti's team that won the double. If we don't want him and we're not getting dumb and dumber back who do you recommend? "That's what we've a backroom staff to sort these days" is not an option.  Yes we have and yes they have.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on August 31, 2015, 10:16:31 PM

Quote from: Clampy on August 31, 2015, 08:21:38 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 31, 2015, 07:57:00 PM

Not looking good is it. I thought Ray Wilkins may have held some sway still at Chelsea and could of at least secured us a top loan player like Remy.
What is the point in Ray being here otherwise

Can't you go a day without posting utter shit?

Well can he post something without you having to quote it?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Pete on August 31, 2015, 10:27:10 PM

Quote from: four fornicholl on August 31, 2015, 09:36:58 PM

hope this isn't a daft question but what are the reasons(financial maybe?) that we don't get many players on loan?

But we've had at least nine in the last five seasons; Kyle Walker, Michael Bradley, Robbie Keane, Jenas, Holt, Bertrand, Cleverley, Sinclair. I think that's almost as many as the rules allow.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: four fornicholl on August 31, 2015, 10:30:20 PM

is that two a season then?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on August 31, 2015, 10:34:02 PM

I see that that Adem Ljajic of Roma we were allegedly looking at has gone to Inter on a year long loan.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 31, 2015, 10:44:49 PM

Quote from: dave shelley on August 31, 2015, 10:34:02 PM

I see that that Adem Ljajic of Roma we were allegedly looking at has gone to Inter on a year long loan.

We weren't even looking at him as confirmed by Tom Fox .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Pete on August 31, 2015, 10:46:31 PM

Quote from: four fornicholl on August 31, 2015, 10:30:20 PM

is that two a season then?

I think it's two at any one time. So it can be more than two in a season if some are half season or short term.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on August 31, 2015, 10:46:59 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 31, 2015, 10:44:49 PM

Quote from: dave shelley on August 31, 2015, 10:34:02 PM

I see that that Adem Ljajic of Roma we were allegedly looking at has gone to Inter on a year long loan.

We weren't even looking at him as confirmed by Tom Fox .

Allegedly.  Please re-read the post.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 31, 2015, 10:52:11 PM

Quote from: Pete on August 31, 2015, 10:46:31 PM

Quote from: four fornicholl on August 31, 2015, 10:30:20 PM

is that two a season then?

I think it's two at any one time. So it can be more than two in a season if some are half season or short term.

Four in total, of which two can be domestic I believe.

So Everton had Barry, Lukaku and Deulofeu all season a couple of years back.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Uknowthescore on August 31, 2015, 11:00:58 PM

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/11835389/Aston-Villa-back-in-for-Emmanuel-Adebayor.html

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on August 31, 2015, 11:07:06 PM

Quote from: Uknowthescore on August 31, 2015, 11:00:58 PM

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/11835389/Aston-Villa-back-in-for-Emmanuel-Adebayor.html

Always felt this would go to the wire .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 31, 2015, 11:09:37 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on August 31, 2015, 11:07:06 PM

Quote from: Uknowthescore on August 31, 2015, 11:00:58 PM

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/11835389/Aston-Villa-back-in-for-Emmanuel-Adebayor.html

Always felt this would go to the wire .

The thought of Spurs having to pay him 100k a week for the remainder of the season seems extremely tempting.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2015, 11:14:33 PM

Watching our other striker options makes it very appealing. 80% of the player that he has been will be head and shoulders our best forward. I would bet looking at Grealish, Sinclair, Traore etc any striker would fancy getting a fair few goals in this team. I really hope he comes.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 31, 2015, 11:19:29 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 31, 2015, 09:39:58 PM

Quote from: olaftab on August 31, 2015, 09:33:25 PM

Ah well I will leave it now and wait for  Natalie Sawyer to bring me relief in the morning.

You can keep her. One of her eyes has gone weird.

Yeah I noticed that earlier.  Her left eye looked really bloodshot.  As for transfers, it seems that the Wilson kid at Man Utd is available on a season loan.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ian. on August 31, 2015, 11:22:00 PM

That would do nicely, fingers crossed we wrap this up tomorrow.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 31, 2015, 11:22:01 PM

His name adds immediate credibility even if he isn't the player he was at his peak. Sinclair has done really well but outside of that I'm not confident in our remaining striker options. At least in relying on them to be consistent threats. So Adebayor, if only short term would be a welcome addition.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 31, 2015, 11:23:44 PM

Adebayor would make sense having already invested approx £16m in Ayew and Gestede. It would buy both players time to adjust, settle and they may learn a few things from him in training. His goal record can't be sniffed at and if TS can get the best out of him, then just his presence on the pitch will make more space for the likes of Traore, Grealish, Gil, Sinclair and Amavi to exploit.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: eamonn on August 31, 2015, 11:37:44 PM

Lets get Ade in and wish for Natalie's eye to be restored to full health asap. Then, with autumn starting tomorrow we can all move forward with our lives.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 31, 2015, 11:47:27 PM

My wishlist for a striker tomorrow;

1) Remy
2) Adebayor
3) Wilson
4) Stainrod

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: itbrvilla on September 01, 2015, 12:02:04 AM

Quote from: SW9-VILLA on August 31, 2015, 09:29:18 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on August 31, 2015, 06:56:37 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 31, 2015, 06:09:23 PM

Totally agree and would love him at VP. As for Defoe what is that personal assistant hubris about? If anything ever qualified the gimlet eyed dwarf for being a total fuck nugget that does.

A fantastic description Mr Underhill.

Seconded

Excuse me chaps.

Quote from: itbrvilla on August 31, 2015, 02:25:38 PM

Quote from: adrenachrome on August 31, 2015, 01:21:21 PM

Quote from: Clampy on August 31, 2015, 01:18:40 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 31, 2015, 01:13:22 PM

Please tell me the SSNHQOfficial twitter account is a fake one?

Reporting that we have made a bid for Leigh Griffiths, which would be well,..... underwhelming to say the bloody least!

It looks fake, it's only got 87 followers.

Yes. They've followed it with:

Sky Sports News HQ ‏@SSNHQOfficial 7m7 minutes ago Birmingham, England

BREAKING: Sky Sources:: The rejected fee is believed to be in the region of £9m. #AVFC strongly backed to place a second bid.
1 retweet 0 favorites
Sky Sports News HQ ‏@SSNHQOfficial 8m8 minutes ago Birmingham, England

BREAKING: Sky Sources: Aston Villa's bid has been immediately rejected for @celticfc striker Leigh Griffiths. #AVFC

Which sad fuck nugget has the time to run a fake SSN Twitter account? The next extinction event can't happen quick enough

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: adrenachrome on September 01, 2015, 12:38:44 AM

Sky Sports (http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11677/9974482/joleon-lescott-set-for-aston-villa-after-fee-agreed-with-west-brom?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)

Quote

Joleon Lescott set for Aston Villa after fee agreed with West Brom

Last Updated: 01/09/15 12:10am

Aston Villa have agreed a fee with West Brom for central defender Joleon Lescott, according to Sky sources.

Lescott will undergo a medical with Aston Villa on Tuesday and, all going well, will then complete his transfer for a fee of £1m, which could rise to £2m.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on September 01, 2015, 12:44:07 AM

Quote from: itbrvilla on September 01, 2015, 12:02:04 AM

Quote from: SW9-VILLA on August 31, 2015, 09:29:18 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on August 31, 2015, 06:56:37 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 31, 2015, 06:09:23 PM

Totally agree and would love him at VP. As for Defoe what is that personal assistant hubris about? If anything ever qualified the gimlet eyed dwarf for being a total fuck nugget that does.

A fantastic description Mr Underhill.

Seconded

Excuse me chaps.

Quote from: itbrvilla on August 31, 2015, 02:25:38 PM

Quote from: adrenachrome on August 31, 2015, 01:21:21 PM

Quote from: Clampy on August 31, 2015, 01:18:40 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 31, 2015, 01:13:22 PM

Please tell me the SSNHQOfficial twitter account is a fake one?

Reporting that we have made a bid for Leigh Griffiths, which would be well,..... underwhelming to say the bloody least!

It looks fake, it's only got 87 followers.

Yes. They've followed it with:

Sky Sports News HQ ‏@SSNHQOfficial 7m7 minutes ago Birmingham, England

BREAKING: Sky Sources:: The rejected fee is believed to be in the region of £9m. #AVFC strongly backed to place a second bid.
1 retweet 0 favorites
Sky Sports News HQ ‏@SSNHQOfficial 8m8 minutes ago Birmingham, England

BREAKING: Sky Sources: Aston Villa's bid has been immediately rejected for @celticfc striker Leigh Griffiths. #AVFC

Which sad fuck nugget has the time to run a fake SSN Twitter account? The next extinction event can't happen quick enough

So you copied mr underhill and his wonderful term nearly 4 hours earlier?

Title: Berbatov
Post by: richardhubbard on September 01, 2015, 07:05:23 AM

Just arrived in birmingham according to sky sports....

Title: Re: Berbatov
Post by: Stirchley Villain on September 01, 2015, 07:06:30 AM

Bloody hell. He's up early for a lazy footballer

Title: Re: Berbatov
Post by: Mister E on September 01, 2015, 07:07:21 AM

No thanks.

Title: Re: Berbatov
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2015, 07:08:32 AM

Sensible me says no. Me that loves him as a player says I would love to see it.

Title: Re: Berbatov
Post by: john e on September 01, 2015, 07:08:34 AM

We all forgot about him

Title: Re: Berbatov
Post by: supertom on September 01, 2015, 07:09:21 AM

I really like Berbatov as a player but this just wouldn't work in a million years would it? He's well past caring now. That said would I rather sign Berbatov or no one? We need another striker. If we have to make do with him or Adebeyor for a year, so be it. But we haven't got enough as is, to see us through.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JJ-AV on September 01, 2015, 07:10:14 AM

Quote from: Uknowthescore on August 31, 2015, 11:00:58 PM

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/11835389/Aston-Villa-back-in-for-Emmanuel-Adebayor.html

winky thing

Title: Re: Berbatov
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2015, 07:11:12 AM

He was good for Monaco last season still. I would take the gamble if nothing else is doing.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2015, 07:12:06 AM

You did call it JJ


You think it will happen?

Title: Re: Berbatov
Post by: Matt Collins on September 01, 2015, 07:17:29 AM

Have sky sports reported this? Or have they reported someone else reporting it?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on September 01, 2015, 07:18:46 AM

Mail reporting he's lined up for West Ham. I trust Percy more.

Title: Re: Berbatov
Post by: aj2k77 on September 01, 2015, 07:27:16 AM

No thanks and feck off Petrov with your suggestions if it's you again.

Title: Re: Berbatov
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on September 01, 2015, 07:54:20 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on September 01, 2015, 07:17:29 AM

Have sky sports reported this? Or have they reported someone else reporting it?

Quote from: Sky Sports

07:34

BERBATOV JETS IN

Dimitar Berbatov arrived in the Midlands this morning and is being linked with a move to Aston Villa.

He is a free agent having left Monaco in the summer. Our reporter Mark Benstead is the man in the know on Villa, and he's chasing the story as we speak.

Also

Quote from: Sky Sports

BREAKING NEWS

Tottenham striker Emmanuel Adebayor was at Upton Park last night, speaking to Slaven Bilic about the possibility of a loan move.

The complication for West Ham is that they have already used up their allocation of loan players for the season.

Which is perhaps some indication of th accuracy of these things

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on September 01, 2015, 08:19:55 AM

Berbatov won't have lost any pace as he never had any

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on September 01, 2015, 08:20:46 AM

I didnt realise Berbatov is a free agent, that's likely to mean he's not going to be fit enough to play straight away, if ever.

Title: Re: Berbatov
Post by: SamTheMouse on September 01, 2015, 08:22:42 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2015, 07:11:12 AM

He was good for Monaco last season still. I would take the gamble if nothing else is doing.

Only in flashes, and he didn't start much, then lost his place permanently to a certain Anthony Martial. I think he'd struggle with the physicality and pace of the Premier League.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on September 01, 2015, 08:25:17 AM

Yeah he didn't score much last year, berbatov.

I think we need someone who can play no 9 and get in behind. That's not berba!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on September 01, 2015, 08:28:37 AM

If Berbatov's a free-agent, we don;t need to be rushing through anything today do we?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: boboonthecorner on September 01, 2015, 08:28:58 AM

Why on Earth do people keep going on about Wilson at Man U when we need goals. I swear people sometimes just want anybody in because its a different face. Surely Kozak is a better option?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on September 01, 2015, 08:30:16 AM

the thing that really pisses me off about the Martial transfer is that it massively distorts fees for young players with potential. This morning Embolo is now worth north of £50m ; great for his club, should they cash in, but a fee that places an almost unbearable weight of expectation on the player

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: DB on September 01, 2015, 08:33:54 AM

Good doscussion last night on Talksport about this with Stan and Mark Saggy.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on September 01, 2015, 08:34:18 AM

Quote from: RussellC on September 01, 2015, 08:28:37 AM

If Berbatov's a free-agent, we don;t need to be rushing through anything today do we?

good point. Perhaps its bullshit altogether.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: themossman on September 01, 2015, 08:34:47 AM

Makes Traore look cheap mind.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on September 01, 2015, 08:38:33 AM

Do we have a sentry at BHX today to watch the Lear jets fizzing in and out

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on September 01, 2015, 08:40:06 AM

Quote from: themossman on September 01, 2015, 08:34:47 AM

Makes Traore look cheap mind.

Makes Benteke fee look like peanuts.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: boboonthecorner on September 01, 2015, 08:42:38 AM

Quote from: themossman on September 01, 2015, 08:34:47 AM

Makes Traore look cheap mind.

In todays market he was very cheap.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on September 01, 2015, 08:44:34 AM

Traore was potentially the signing of the season; in a similar vein QPR have apparently bid £5 for Oulare. That could also be a real bargain

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on September 01, 2015, 08:45:36 AM

I hope Berbatov is here to join Smethwick.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: boboonthecorner on September 01, 2015, 08:46:33 AM

Rumour on Twitter that Yoann Gourcuff set to join, currently a free agent.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on September 01, 2015, 08:47:36 AM

would he be any better than Adebayor?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on September 01, 2015, 08:50:15 AM

Can't see gourcuff being the priority at all

We seem to be looking at free deals only. Really wish we hadn't spent £14m+ on Gestede and Ayew

Prove me wrong guys

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: oldtimernow on September 01, 2015, 08:52:01 AM

Quote from: boboonthecorner on September 01, 2015, 08:46:33 AM

Rumour on Twitter that Yoann Gourcuff set to join, currently a free agent.

From Wikipedia
On 26 July 2011, it was reported by Lyon that Gourcuff would undergo ankle surgery in order to heal a niggling ankle complaint.[99] The surgery ruled Gourcuff out for the club's entire 2011–12 pre-season campaign. In September 2011, he suffered an injury setback in training, which prevented the player from making his debut under new manager Rémi Garde against Marseille on 18 September.[100][101] Gourcuff made his season debut a month later appearing as a substitute in a 3–1 win over Nancy.[102] Two weeks later, he scored his first goal of the season in a 2–0 win over rivals Saint-Étienne.[103]



Gourcuff has consistently suffered injury since he has joined Lyon, missing over 90 games due to injury during his tenure with the club.


Would have fitted in last season but surely not now?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on September 01, 2015, 08:52:36 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on September 01, 2015, 08:47:36 AM

would he be any better than Adebayor?

A midfielder as far as I know so I don't see it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on September 01, 2015, 08:52:46 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on September 01, 2015, 08:47:36 AM

would he be any better than Adebayor?

Completely different types of player.  Gourcuff would be yet another alternative to Gil and Grealish

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on September 01, 2015, 08:54:26 AM

Quote from: boboonthecorner on September 01, 2015, 08:46:33 AM

Rumour on Twitter that Yoann Gourcuff set to join, currently a free agent.

Used to be an awesome footballer. Always looked to be the heir apparent to Zidane, but it never quite materialised. Still only 29. But why are we being linked to out-of-contract players on deadline day??

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on September 01, 2015, 09:01:30 AM

my clumsy point was that as we appear to be in bargain basement territory why would we put any resource into him as opposed to Adebayor

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2015, 09:08:42 AM

Really talented player, Gourcuff, but as mentioned, been through a horrific five years in terms of injury.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on September 01, 2015, 09:19:15 AM

a tenuous link now to Oulare us Wolves and OPR apparently

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2015, 09:19:45 AM

SSN - we've bid for, errr, Dwight Gayle.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on September 01, 2015, 09:21:07 AM

We've had a 'stupid bid' for Dwight Gayle turned down.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on September 01, 2015, 09:21:49 AM

Dwight Gayle is class get him in.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on September 01, 2015, 09:22:24 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2015, 09:19:45 AM

SSN - we've bid for, errr, Dwight Gayle.

Jesus

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aev on September 01, 2015, 09:23:10 AM

He is dreadful.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on September 01, 2015, 09:26:04 AM

Quote from: aev on September 01, 2015, 09:23:10 AM

He is dreadful.

He didn't look that bad to me when he scored that cracker against us at home, or the other week when he came on and made the difference.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on September 01, 2015, 09:26:52 AM

Dwight Gayle, please tell me they're just plucking random names out of their arse now? These are the sort of shit links we had at the start of the summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 01, 2015, 09:27:00 AM

They agreed a fee of £9 million for him with Bristol City so can't imagine him being any less than that. As a squad player for about £2 million he might be worth a punt, but for that sort of money it would be shit-flinging, Birmingham-supporting, U2-liking levels of stupidity.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on September 01, 2015, 09:27:19 AM

but at least it proves there is some money left in the pot

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aev on September 01, 2015, 09:27:45 AM

I endured most of Palace's home games last season and he looked pants.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on September 01, 2015, 09:28:35 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on September 01, 2015, 09:27:19 AM

but at least it proves there is some money left in the pot

So let's hope we don't piss it up the wall on any Striker as a panic buy.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on September 01, 2015, 09:29:37 AM

totally agree, my concern earlier was that we didn't have a pot to piss in money wise

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 01, 2015, 09:30:17 AM

It suggests we're after a forward which is good news. Unless we sign a rubbish one, obviously.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on September 01, 2015, 09:33:48 AM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on September 01, 2015, 09:30:17 AM

It suggests we're after a forward which is good news. Unless we sign a rubbish one, obviously.

Can't Lerner rewind the clock and go get us just one more Bent type signing, just as a leaving present or something. I really don't want to see us spunking large amounts of money on a Dwight Gayle style donkey.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on September 01, 2015, 09:35:13 AM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on September 01, 2015, 09:27:00 AM

They agreed a fee of £9 million for him with Bristol City so can't imagine him being any less than that. As a squad player for about £2 million he might be worth a punt, but for that sort of money it would be shit-flinging, Birmingham-supporting, U2-liking levels of stupidity.

£6 million.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2015, 09:35:30 AM

Berbatov on his way in apparently.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2015, 09:37:35 AM

Dwight Gayle, fucking hell. Let's hope that goes nowhere.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: in exile on September 01, 2015, 09:38:26 AM

Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2015, 09:35:30 AM

Berbatov on his way in apparently.

We need a finished article, not a young, raw player
 >:(

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on September 01, 2015, 09:38:29 AM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on September 01, 2015, 09:21:07 AM

We've had a 'stupid bid' for Dwight Gayle turned down.

Any bid for Dwight Gayle is stupid.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on September 01, 2015, 09:41:03 AM

Dwight Gayle and Gestede would be a very good Championship forward partnership.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: andyh on September 01, 2015, 09:43:19 AM

Can I just say, I fucking hate Dwight Gayle.
No reason, I just fucking hate him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on September 01, 2015, 09:47:01 AM

Dwight Gayle is not that bad a player but he'd be another gamble and that's not what we need.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on September 01, 2015, 09:48:04 AM

no more so than a geriatric Berbatov

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on September 01, 2015, 09:49:25 AM

Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2015, 09:35:30 AM

Berbatov on his way in apparently.

Would be pleased with that as I think he'd be a great player to bring on with 30 mins to go when we need a goal, ie last Saturday!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on September 01, 2015, 09:51:59 AM

Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2015, 09:35:30 AM

Berbatov on his way in apparently.

Jesus , who next JJ Ockocha 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: passport1 on September 01, 2015, 09:52:14 AM

I'll check back in at 7pm . Don't think I can cope with a day of reading speculation.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: garyshawsknee on September 01, 2015, 09:52:39 AM

The Gayle enquiry seems odd to me as he's very different to the other forwards we've been linked to. Sinclair is similar and better than Gayle.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on September 01, 2015, 09:58:32 AM

Just googled him, that's how up to date and in the loop I am

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on September 01, 2015, 10:00:18 AM

Who is Johan Gourcuff ?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on September 01, 2015, 10:01:08 AM

They accepted £6m from Bristol City for Gayle but now want £10 million from us........ Fuck that then.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2015, 10:02:55 AM

Where is Pete Colley?

Replaced at Villa by some strange looking gimp with plastic hair.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Risso on September 01, 2015, 10:05:02 AM

Buying Dwight Gayle would send a very strong message that we're not as good as Crystal Palace.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2015, 10:06:14 AM

Quote from: Risso on September 01, 2015, 10:05:02 AM

Buying Dwight Gayle would send a very strong message that we're not as good as Crystal Palace.

I'm also wondering whether our transfer kitty for the summer was "everything you can raise in sales plus 10m".

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2015, 10:07:43 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2015, 10:06:14 AM

Quote from: Risso on September 01, 2015, 10:05:02 AM

Buying Dwight Gayle would send a very strong message that we're not as good as Crystal Palace.

I'm also wondering whether our transfer kitty for the summer was "everything you can raise in sales plus 10m".

Seems that way.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on September 01, 2015, 10:07:50 AM

Quote from: Risso on September 01, 2015, 10:05:02 AM

Buying Dwight Gayle would send a very strong message that we're not as good as Crystal Palace.

I reckon that frequently losing to them and finishing below them in the league sends an even stronger message!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on September 01, 2015, 10:07:55 AM

Facebook says that Gomis has a 7 million buy out clause,
so maybe we can start a bidding war there !

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on September 01, 2015, 10:08:59 AM

Quote from: Risso on September 01, 2015, 10:05:02 AM

Buying Dwight Gayle would send a very strong message that we're not as good as Crystal Palace.

Losing to them in a competitive league match sort of confirmed that

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on September 01, 2015, 10:11:08 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2015, 10:02:55 AM

Where is Pete Colley?

Replaced at Villa by some strange looking gimp with plastic hair.

I believe his name is Michael Fabricant

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 01, 2015, 10:12:01 AM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on September 01, 2015, 09:35:13 AM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on September 01, 2015, 09:27:00 AM

They agreed a fee of £9 million for him with Bristol City so can't imagine him being any less than that. As a squad player for about £2 million he might be worth a punt, but for that sort of money it would be shit-flinging, Birmingham-supporting, U2-liking levels of stupidity.

£6 million.

Ah sorry. Was obviously looking at it upside-down.

Still too much though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on September 01, 2015, 10:15:00 AM

I find Gayle irritating too, for no obvious reason. I just don't like the cut of his jib.

He's alright as a player, has something about him, but wouldn't be one I'd like us to bring in. I wonder if this is our Clint Dempsey of the window?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aev on September 01, 2015, 10:23:08 AM

Gayle also looks like one of the Tweenies.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on September 01, 2015, 10:26:55 AM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on September 01, 2015, 10:01:08 AM

They accepted £6m from Bristol City for Gayle but now want £10 million from us........ Fuck that then.

smelling desperation

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 01, 2015, 10:42:27 AM

Quote from: Ads on September 01, 2015, 10:15:00 AM

I find Gayle irritating too, for no obvious reason. I just don't like the cut of his jib.

He's alright as a player, has something about him, but wouldn't be one I'd like us to bring in. I wonder if this is our Clint Dempsey of the window?

Clint Dempsey was far more exciting than Dwight sodding Gayle.

If we can't get Adebayor, we need to go for Austin. Can't believe there would be enough time to get a foreign genius over here now.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on September 01, 2015, 10:44:28 AM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on September 01, 2015, 10:42:27 AM

Quote from: Ads on September 01, 2015, 10:15:00 AM

I find Gayle irritating too, for no obvious reason. I just don't like the cut of his jib.

He's alright as a player, has something about him, but wouldn't be one I'd like us to bring in. I wonder if this is our Clint Dempsey of the window?

Clint Dempsey was far more exciting than Dwight sodding Gayle.

I think he means that we didn't really want or expect to sign either of them - Dempsey was to get Genk to pull their finger our and finalise the Benteke deal, and Gayle is just being used to make Adebayor/Spurs get it sorted.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on September 01, 2015, 10:45:49 AM

SSN...Baker to Bristol City, loan.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 01, 2015, 10:47:18 AM

Quote from: john e on September 01, 2015, 10:07:55 AM

Facebook says that Gomis has a 7 million buy out clause,
so maybe we can start a bidding war there !

If true, he should be our man.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on September 01, 2015, 10:47:53 AM

Quote from: Dave on September 01, 2015, 10:44:28 AM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on September 01, 2015, 10:42:27 AM

Quote from: Ads on September 01, 2015, 10:15:00 AM

I find Gayle irritating too, for no obvious reason. I just don't like the cut of his jib.

He's alright as a player, has something about him, but wouldn't be one I'd like us to bring in. I wonder if this is our Clint Dempsey of the window?

Clint Dempsey was far more exciting than Dwight sodding Gayle.

I think he means that we didn't really want or expect to sign either of them - Dempsey was to get Genk to pull their finger our and finalise the Benteke deal, and Gayle is just being used to make Adebayor/Spurs get it sorted.

Aye Jim lad. You have the long and short of it.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 01, 2015, 10:48:05 AM

Quote from: dave shelley on September 01, 2015, 10:45:49 AM

SSN...Baker to Bristol City, loan.

We shouldn't be loaning any more players to them unless they promise to actually pick them.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 01, 2015, 10:48:46 AM

Quote from: Dave on September 01, 2015, 10:44:28 AM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on September 01, 2015, 10:42:27 AM

Quote from: Ads on September 01, 2015, 10:15:00 AM

I find Gayle irritating too, for no obvious reason. I just don't like the cut of his jib.

He's alright as a player, has something about him, but wouldn't be one I'd like us to bring in. I wonder if this is our Clint Dempsey of the window?

Clint Dempsey was far more exciting than Dwight sodding Gayle.

I think he means that we didn't really want or expect to sign either of them - Dempsey was to get Genk to pull their finger our and finalise the Benteke deal, and Gayle is just being used to make Adebayor/Spurs get it sorted.

You'd hope so. Really, really hope so.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 01, 2015, 10:50:42 AM

Quote from: Ads on September 01, 2015, 10:47:53 AM

Quote from: Dave on September 01, 2015, 10:44:28 AM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on September 01, 2015, 10:42:27 AM

Quote from: Ads on September 01, 2015, 10:15:00 AM

I find Gayle irritating too, for no obvious reason. I just don't like the cut of his jib.

He's alright as a player, has something about him, but wouldn't be one I'd like us to bring in. I wonder if this is our Clint Dempsey of the window?

Clint Dempsey was far more exciting than Dwight sodding Gayle.

I think he means that we didn't really want or expect to sign either of them - Dempsey was to get Genk to pull their finger our and finalise the Benteke deal, and Gayle is just being used to make Adebayor/Spurs get it sorted.

Aye Jim lad. You have the long and short of it.

Fair enough.

I worry though as I did want Dempsey and definitely don't want Gayle. My natural pessimism meant that I never really thought we'd get Dempsey but I'm panicking we'll come back with a higher offer and end up lumbered with the epitomy of mediocrity that is Dwight Gayle.... for silly money.

I think I've just been posting on a forum with SilhillVilla for too long!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on September 01, 2015, 10:52:19 AM

chin up it my not happen

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on September 01, 2015, 10:53:56 AM

If we do sign Gayle we will need LTA to come cheer us all up

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on September 01, 2015, 10:56:18 AM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on September 01, 2015, 10:48:46 AM

Quote from: Dave on September 01, 2015, 10:44:28 AM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on September 01, 2015, 10:42:27 AM

Quote from: Ads on September 01, 2015, 10:15:00 AM

I find Gayle irritating too, for no obvious reason. I just don't like the cut of his jib.

He's alright as a player, has something about him, but wouldn't be one I'd like us to bring in. I wonder if this is our Clint Dempsey of the window?

Clint Dempsey was far more exciting than Dwight sodding Gayle.

I think he means that we didn't really want or expect to sign either of them - Dempsey was to get Genk to pull their finger our and finalise the Benteke deal, and Gayle is just being used to make Adebayor/Spurs get it sorted.

You'd hope so. Really, really hope so.

It would certainly be a bit of an underwhelming end to what's been a very positive window.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on September 01, 2015, 11:01:13 AM

BBC reckon Sunderland are looking to loan a left-back to cover van Aanholt. Richardson, maybe?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on September 01, 2015, 11:03:26 AM

Dwight Gayle is a little too 'aphex twin' for my liking.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on September 01, 2015, 11:05:45 AM

Funny old game isn't it, if Dwight gayle was an unknown foreigner coming in from La Serie Liga X for example, we'd all be knocking one out to edited YouTube montages now.

I don't want Dwight Gayle but just saying .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2015, 11:06:01 AM

Of all the funny posts on here in the last couple of hours, the Dwight Gayle 'looks like one of the Tweenies' will take some beating.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on September 01, 2015, 11:06:24 AM

what a shame Sunderland aren't in  for Charles 'pot plant' N' Zogbia

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Joshua Fineman on September 01, 2015, 11:08:45 AM

Lots of talk about Berbatov.  In Brum apparently

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on September 01, 2015, 11:13:31 AM

I don't like any of today's links. Hey ho, if they put on the shirt they'll have my support (obviously)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on September 01, 2015, 11:19:41 AM

Quote from: silhillvilla on September 01, 2015, 11:05:45 AM

Funny old game isn't it, if Dwight gayle was an unknown foreigner coming in from La Serie Liga X for example, we'd all be knocking one out to edited YouTube montages now.

I don't want Dwight Gayle but just saying .

This is a fair point.  But we have the advantage of having watched him in real life and knowing he is, well, pretty average.

With that said, would he improve our squad?  Yeah probably.  But surely the money could be better spent elsewhere.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 01, 2015, 11:26:31 AM

He'd be no significant improvement on Weimann and would cost five times as much.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LukeJames on September 01, 2015, 11:29:31 AM

I think its bollocks but I like Gayle, good movement and can play on the shoulder of the last defender, he'd suit us.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2015, 11:35:35 AM

Berbatov was last seen in this league looking unarsed as Fulham went down.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 01, 2015, 11:45:41 AM

Quote from: Joshua Fineman on September 01, 2015, 11:08:45 AM

Lots of talk about Berbatov.  In Brum apparently

I am sure I saw somewhere that he was here for a function (Christening etc) with Stan - is Berba not a Gog father to one of Stans kids?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: timeoutbigbar on September 01, 2015, 11:48:30 AM

Of the three strikers currently in the frame (Adebayor, Berbatov and Gayle) I think I'd take Gayle.  Far more likely to actually want to play for us, won't just see it as another contract at the end of his career.  At 25, still yet to reach his peak.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy65 on September 01, 2015, 11:49:43 AM

Quote from: timeoutbigbar on September 01, 2015, 11:48:30 AM

Of the three strikers currently in the frame (Adebayor, Berbatov and Gayle) I think I'd take Gayle.  Far more likely to actually want to play for us, won't just see it as another contract at the end of his career.  At 25, still yet to reach his peak.

gulp

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on September 01, 2015, 11:51:49 AM

imagine our last business of the window being Gayle and Berbatov on deadline day.  be a bit like going to the pub on Xmas eve and staggering home to find the house engulfed in an uncontrollable fire .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on September 01, 2015, 11:55:53 AM

Still don't get this Berbatov thing. If he's a free agent he can sign for whoever, whenever so him rolling-up on deadline day would probably be more of a hindrance to any other deals we're trying to do!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 01, 2015, 12:04:31 PM

Quote from: timeoutbigbar on September 01, 2015, 11:48:30 AM

Of the three strikers currently in the frame (Adebayor, Berbatov and Gayle) I think I'd take Gayle.  Far more likely to actually want to play for us, won't just see it as another contract at the end of his career.  At 25, still yet to reach his peak.

Unless his peak proves to be at least a dozen times higher than his current level, it's a no from me.

I'd take Adebayor but don't think he'll come now.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: asgpaul on September 01, 2015, 12:06:57 PM

Quote from: timeoutbigbar on September 01, 2015, 11:48:30 AM

Of the three strikers currently in the frame (Adebayor, Berbatov and Gayle) I think I'd take Gayle.  Far more likely to actually want to play for us, won't just see it as another contract at the end of his career.  At 25, still yet to reach his peak.

Not keen on any of those options - would rather stick with what we have.  I believe we need an additional (experienced) premier league striker but for one reason or another, those three linked don't fill me with any confidence.

I was convinced we'd be in for Charlie Austin, and despite that looking highly unlikely (and has done for some time now) I'll still keep my fingers crossed.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2015, 12:07:02 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on September 01, 2015, 12:04:31 PM

Quote from: timeoutbigbar on September 01, 2015, 11:48:30 AM

Of the three strikers currently in the frame (Adebayor, Berbatov and Gayle) I think I'd take Gayle.  Far more likely to actually want to play for us, won't just see it as another contract at the end of his career.  At 25, still yet to reach his peak.

Unless his peak proves to be at least a dozen times higher than his current level, it's a no from me.

I'd take Adebayor but don't think he'll come now.

Adebayor on loan would be fine.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on September 01, 2015, 12:08:12 PM

Berbatov would be like having our own real life Noel Coward up front,
 swanning and swooning about with grace and panache, but without the smoking jacket and silver cigarette holder

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: avfcpg on September 01, 2015, 12:09:09 PM

I'd take Gayle out of the three. Averages 1 in 4 (better than Weimann I would imagine), fits in with the young(ish) and hungry profile.
Not my ideal signing but wouldn't be adverse to him. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on September 01, 2015, 12:11:06 PM

Agree with the Gayle comments...don't rate Gayle, don't want Gayle, hope we don't get Gayle.

SSN reporter at BH suggested a PL winner is there to sign now...presumably he's talking about Berbatov *facepalm*

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on September 01, 2015, 12:12:11 PM

Quote from: KRS on September 01, 2015, 12:11:06 PM

Agree with the Gayle comments...don't rate Gayle, don't want Gayle, hope we don't get Gayle.

SSN reporter at BH suggested a PL winner is there to sign now...presumably he's talking about Berbatov *facepalm*

He possibly means Lescott. Didn't he win the title with Man City?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on September 01, 2015, 12:15:05 PM

Phew! Yep that makes sense...Lescott won PL title in 2011–12 and 2013–14 with Man City.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on September 01, 2015, 12:20:14 PM

Think it's time to set up a just giving account on here.  How many members do we have? And how quickly can we raise £15m to get Austin.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Jockey Randall on September 01, 2015, 12:20:48 PM

What's Grant Holt up to these days?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 01, 2015, 12:24:18 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on September 01, 2015, 12:20:14 PM

Think it's time to set up a just giving account on here.  How many members do we have? And how quickly can we raise £15m to get Austin.

We probably couldn't afford £15 million but I reckon we could scrape together enough to get a banner outside Villa Park saying:

"THE ASTON VILLA SIGN THE AUSTIN PLEASE (ARSENAL SMELL)"

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on September 01, 2015, 12:25:16 PM

Quote from: Jockey Randall on September 01, 2015, 12:20:48 PM

What's Grant Holt up to these days?

eating I suspect

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on September 01, 2015, 12:25:43 PM

Quote from: KRS on September 01, 2015, 12:11:06 PM

Agree with the Gayle comments...don't rate Gayle, don't want Gayle, hope we don't get Gayle.

SSN reporter at BH suggested a PL winner is there to sign now...presumably he's talking about Berbatov *facepalm*

 I thought he said "a former PL winger is there to sign now" ( Berbatov ?) ......Godzvilla!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 01, 2015, 12:26:08 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on September 01, 2015, 12:24:18 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on September 01, 2015, 12:20:14 PM

Think it's time to set up a just giving account on here.  How many members do we have? And how quickly can we raise £15m to get Austin.

We probably couldn't afford £15 million but I reckon we could scrape together enough to get a banner outside Villa Park saying:

"THE ASTON VILLA SIGN THE AUSTIN PLEASE (ARSENAL SMELL)"

Post of the hour.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 01, 2015, 12:26:13 PM

Quote from: john e on September 01, 2015, 12:25:16 PM

Quote from: Jockey Randall on September 01, 2015, 12:20:48 PM

What's Grant Holt up to these days?

eating I suspect

Very good.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on September 01, 2015, 12:29:34 PM

If we could also get Healey from Leeds we could have Austin Healey up top

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Rudy65 on September 01, 2015, 12:35:20 PM

From BBC - made me laugh


"While we are on Football League matters, here is a good tale involving Middlesbrough's pursuit of Uruguayan winger Carlos de Pena, told by Tim Vickery on 5 live...



There is one great story. It involves Middlesbrough and a left winger called Carlos de Pena. He is a busy little player. On Saturday it looked like this deal was on so he was taken out of Nacional's squad. On Sunday, the deal had collapsed. All over. On Monday, the club get a call from his agent saying he is on his way to England but the club said no. The player drove off and promptly got himself in a car accident with him and his mother in the car. Nothing serious as he is allowed out of hospital pretty soon after and he leaves his mum there, goes back to the airport and without Nacional's permission flies to Middlesbrough. I can't remember anyone being so desperate to get to Middlesbrough since Chris Rea was driving home for Christmas.
Tim VickerySouth American football expert"

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 01, 2015, 12:37:23 PM

I'm just amazed you can direct flights from Montevideo to Middlesbrough.

Up your game, BHX!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on September 01, 2015, 12:41:44 PM

Seems pretty clear we've not got the cash left for a large buy

Gayle has a good scoring record. But I think the reason he doesn't play is that he can't play the no 9 role in a 433 or 451.

I think we need someone who can do the no 9 role.

I ain't sure that's berbatov either mind

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on September 01, 2015, 12:47:21 PM

We're now linked with another centre half.  Tiago lllori from Liverpool. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on September 01, 2015, 12:52:13 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on September 01, 2015, 12:47:21 PM

We're now linked with another centre half.  Tiago lllori from Liverpool. 

goes to google (again)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LukeJames on September 01, 2015, 12:52:43 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on September 01, 2015, 11:51:49 AM

imagine our last business of the window being Gayle and Berbatov on deadline day.  be a bit like going to the pub on Xmas eve and staggering home to find the house engulfed in an uncontrollable fire .

But the net spend would be up, swings and roundabouts.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on September 01, 2015, 12:52:46 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on September 01, 2015, 12:47:21 PM

We're now linked with another centre half.  Tiago lllori from Liverpool. 

doubt it he will cost a lllori, lllori money

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on September 01, 2015, 12:57:43 PM

Rumours that  if Berbatov signs he's brining the mobility scooter sponsorship account with him

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on September 01, 2015, 12:57:44 PM

I say stop...no more. Make do with what we have till January and re-assess after consolidating current crop into a team.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on September 01, 2015, 12:58:04 PM

Quote from: TheMalandro on September 01, 2015, 12:52:46 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on September 01, 2015, 12:47:21 PM

We're now linked with another centre half.  Tiago lllori from Liverpool. 

doubt it he will cost a lllori, lllori money

It'll be so much they'll have to bring it in an articulated Illori

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 01, 2015, 12:58:26 PM

Didn't EA win the title with Arsenal  ?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on September 01, 2015, 12:58:34 PM

A few minutes ago on Twitter. The guy is a sports journalist with 95,000 followers, so presumably not making things up.

Paul Smith
@Smudge1962
Emmanuel Adebayor who has taken it upon himself to talk to #WHUFC after failing to turn up twice has now contacted #avfc #DeadlineDay

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on September 01, 2015, 01:01:24 PM

so predictable

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aev on September 01, 2015, 01:01:40 PM

Adebayor > Berbatov for me.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on September 01, 2015, 01:04:02 PM

Quote from: LukeJames on September 01, 2015, 12:52:43 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on September 01, 2015, 11:51:49 AM

imagine our last business of the window being Gayle and Berbatov on deadline day.  be a bit like going to the pub on Xmas eve and staggering home to find the house engulfed in an uncontrollable fire .

But the net spend would be up, swings and roundabouts.

I've always caveated that by saying quality over quantity . Eg. Why spend £16m on 2 average strikers instead of £20m on 1 top drawer one ? (That's just an illustration not referring to us)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on September 01, 2015, 01:05:09 PM

but by insinuation you are aren't you?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 01, 2015, 01:05:28 PM

I'm definitely in the Adebayor Fan Club if the alternatives are the Berba Bar Crew and the Gayle Groovy Gang.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on September 01, 2015, 01:05:40 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on September 01, 2015, 12:47:21 PM

We're now linked with another centre half.  Tiago lllori from Liverpool.

I doubt this, it would take a special kind of dipshit to buy an entire new defence (including Lescott), still have last years defence here as back up and then go and sign a defender on loan from Liverpool. Tim hasn't done anything yet of this daftness and I can't see him starting now (although I notice the Adebayor rumours are still circling)!!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Monty on September 01, 2015, 01:07:36 PM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on September 01, 2015, 01:05:40 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on September 01, 2015, 12:47:21 PM

We're now linked with another centre half.  Tiago lllori from Liverpool.

I doubt this, it would take a special kind of dipshit to buy an entire new defence (including Lescott), still have last years defence here as back up and then go and sign a defender on loan from Liverpool. Tim hasn't done anything yet of this daftness and I can't see him starting now (although I notice the Adebayor rumours are still circling)!!

I wonder if transfer rumour websites use similar algorithms as Amazon or someone does to recommend you things - 'you have recently bought Joleon Lescott; you might be interested in...' etc etc.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on September 01, 2015, 01:12:35 PM

wheelchair football?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on September 01, 2015, 01:14:06 PM

Quote from: Monty on September 01, 2015, 01:07:36 PM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on September 01, 2015, 01:05:40 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on September 01, 2015, 12:47:21 PM

We're now linked with another centre half.  Tiago lllori from Liverpool.

I doubt this, it would take a special kind of dipshit to buy an entire new defence (including Lescott), still have last years defence here as back up and then go and sign a defender on loan from Liverpool. Tim hasn't done anything yet of this daftness and I can't see him starting now (although I notice the Adebayor rumours are still circling)!!

I wonder if transfer rumour websites use similar algorithms as Amazon or someone does to recommend you things - 'you have recently bought Joleon Lescott; you might be interested in...' etc etc.

:-) Ha
I reckon Tim looked at the frequently bought together when he signed Sinclair which threw up Richards and Lescott.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 01, 2015, 01:18:34 PM

You bought Nzog you might be interested in a maequin in fancy dress

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: MoetVillan on September 01, 2015, 01:23:18 PM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on September 01, 2015, 01:14:06 PM

Quote from: Monty on September 01, 2015, 01:07:36 PM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on September 01, 2015, 01:05:40 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on September 01, 2015, 12:47:21 PM

We're now linked with another centre half.  Tiago lllori from Liverpool.

I doubt this, it would take a special kind of dipshit to buy an entire new defence (including Lescott), still have last years defence here as back up and then go and sign a defender on loan from Liverpool. Tim hasn't done anything yet of this daftness and I can't see him starting now (although I notice the Adebayor rumours are still circling)!!

I wonder if transfer rumour websites use similar algorithms as Amazon or someone does to recommend you things - 'you have recently bought Joleon Lescott; you might be interested in...' etc etc.

:-) Ha
I reckon Tim looked at the frequently bought together when he signed Sinclair which threw up Richards and Lescott.

Threw up Richards and Lescott?  Nice image

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on September 01, 2015, 01:23:48 PM

You bought this Jordan, you might like that Jordan etc.

You bought a Joe Cole, you may be interested in a Stephen Hawking.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on September 01, 2015, 01:24:37 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on September 01, 2015, 12:47:21 PM

We're now linked with another centre half.  Tiago lllori from Liverpool. 

Andy Hunter @AHunterGuardian
Aston VIlla have inquired about Tiago Ilori at #LFC. Defender considering it after rejecting loan move to Sunderland this morning.
1:36 PM - 1 Sep 2015
..............................................Godzvilla!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aev on September 01, 2015, 01:25:22 PM

You bought Senderos, you might want to buy a chocolate teapot.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on September 01, 2015, 01:29:03 PM

you bought Downing, you might then buy a draft dodger

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on September 01, 2015, 01:29:59 PM

Quote from: olaftab on September 01, 2015, 12:57:44 PM

I say stop...no more. Make do with what we have till January and re-assess after consolidating current crop into a team.

It's pretty obvious already that we need a striker and I don't think that can wait until January.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on September 01, 2015, 01:31:40 PM

Your Senderos has been delivered . As nobody was at home we've left it inside the black wheelie bin.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2015, 01:37:29 PM

We're sorry to hear your Vlaar was damaged in transit, please go to the Your Account section of our website and follow the links to arrange a return.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Risso on September 01, 2015, 01:38:21 PM

I may be wrong but Gayle would seem to be another Sinclair/Ayew type, which I don't think is what we need.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Risso on September 01, 2015, 01:42:32 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2015, 01:37:29 PM

We're sorry to hear your Vlaar was damaged in transit, please go to the Your Account section of our website and follow the links to arrange a return.

It clearly contravened the Trade Descriptions Act as well. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2015, 01:43:25 PM

Baker's loan is a full season one, then. Have to say, I think that's a clever move, new contract then a year away for a long spell playing matches.

Makes me think we're definitely going to be bringing in a new CB beyond Lescott. I hope we are, anyway.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2015, 01:46:29 PM

SSN - Right, we now have some BREAKING NEWS from Bournemouth.

Go to wide boy in suit at Bournemouth who is confirming the same story they were running at 9 this morning.

Footage of Glen Murray holding a Bournemouth shirt whilst looking like he's just been told his dog is dead.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aev on September 01, 2015, 01:46:40 PM

Quote from: Risso on September 01, 2015, 01:42:32 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2015, 01:37:29 PM

We're sorry to hear your Vlaar was damaged in transit, please go to the Your Account section of our website and follow the links to arrange a return.

It clearly contravened the Trade Descriptions Act as well. 

They delivered a balsa wood version instead.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2015, 01:48:23 PM

Why does everyone seem to get so excited by Glenn Murray - is he any good?  And incredible laughter at dead dog look. that I also spotted.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2015, 01:49:02 PM

I've just heard that Smethwick have missed out on signing Joe Ledley on loan.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on September 01, 2015, 01:51:32 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2015, 01:46:29 PM

SSN - Right, we now have some BREAKING NEWS from Bournemouth.

Go to wide boy in suit at Bournemouth who is confirming the same story they were running at 9 this morning.

Footage of Glen Murray holding a Bournemouth shirt whilst looking like he's just been told his dog is dead.

I had it on briefly this morning and they showed you for some odd reason Steve McClaren getting out of his car.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: themossman on September 01, 2015, 01:53:11 PM

Apologiies I've not read the last couple of pages - has anyone said they'd rather we signed Llori Sanchez yet?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2015, 01:54:02 PM

Quote from: Clampy on September 01, 2015, 01:51:32 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2015, 01:46:29 PM

SSN - Right, we now have some BREAKING NEWS from Bournemouth.

Go to wide boy in suit at Bournemouth who is confirming the same story they were running at 9 this morning.

Footage of Glen Murray holding a Bournemouth shirt whilst looking like he's just been told his dog is dead.

I had it on briefly this morning and they showed you for some odd reason Steve McClaren getting out of his car.

I've had it on in the background all day while I do some work, and it has been a four hour rotation of:

- Glenn Murray arriving Bournemouth
- Panel discussion about David De Gea
- Aforementioned McClaren car exit
- John Walters arriving at Stoke

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on September 01, 2015, 01:54:50 PM

I'd just like to add that I have nothing useful to add to this thread.

And that's now been confirmed.

I'll be back later with an update.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on September 01, 2015, 01:56:10 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2015, 01:54:02 PM

Quote from: Clampy on September 01, 2015, 01:51:32 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2015, 01:46:29 PM

SSN - Right, we now have some BREAKING NEWS from Bournemouth.

Go to wide boy in suit at Bournemouth who is confirming the same story they were running at 9 this morning.

Footage of Glen Murray holding a Bournemouth shirt whilst looking like he's just been told his dog is dead.

I had it on briefly this morning and they showed you for some odd reason Steve McClaren getting out of his car.

I've had it on in the background all day while I do some work, and it has been a four hour rotation of:

- Glenn Murray arriving Bournemouth
- Panel discussion about David De Gea
- Aforementioned McClaren car exit
- John Walters arriving at Stoke

I'm gutted I missed Johnathan Walters arriving at Stoke. Has Footyskillz been informed of this development?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Yossarian on September 01, 2015, 01:59:28 PM

Quote from: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on September 01, 2015, 01:54:50 PM

I'd just like to add that I have nothing useful to add to this thread.

And that's now been confirmed.

I'll be back later with an update.

As I also have nothing to add to this thread I would like to analyse Archbishop's post: It is quite clear that he brings absolutely nothing to this thread. In fact I would say he brings as much as I do.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2015, 02:01:07 PM

Quote from: Clampy on September 01, 2015, 01:56:10 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2015, 01:54:02 PM

Quote from: Clampy on September 01, 2015, 01:51:32 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2015, 01:46:29 PM

SSN - Right, we now have some BREAKING NEWS from Bournemouth.

Go to wide boy in suit at Bournemouth who is confirming the same story they were running at 9 this morning.

Footage of Glen Murray holding a Bournemouth shirt whilst looking like he's just been told his dog is dead.

I had it on briefly this morning and they showed you for some odd reason Steve McClaren getting out of his car.

I've had it on in the background all day while I do some work, and it has been a four hour rotation of:

- Glenn Murray arriving Bournemouth
- Panel discussion about David De Gea
- Aforementioned McClaren car exit
- John Walters arriving at Stoke

I'm gutted I missed Johnathan Walters arriving at Stoke. Has Footyskillz been informed of this development?

They just said there are three PL sides interested in him (seriously), so I wouldn't rule out some skillz happiness later. Sadly.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: *shellac* on September 01, 2015, 02:03:31 PM

Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2015, 01:49:02 PM

I've just heard that Smethwick have missed out on signing Joe Ledley on loan.

There is no proven fact that Joe Ledley exists.

Ledley King maybe. To replace Lescott.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on September 01, 2015, 02:08:18 PM

Sam Wallace seems pretty certain Austin won't leave QPR in this window.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on September 01, 2015, 02:08:28 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2015, 01:43:25 PM

Baker's loan is a full season one, then. Have to say, I think that's a clever move, new contract then a year away for a long spell playing matches.

Makes me think we're definitely going to be bringing in a new CB beyond Lescott. I hope we are, anyway.

Ilori is a centre-back and looked decent for the Portugal U21 side against England earlier in the summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Jockey Randall on September 01, 2015, 02:10:57 PM

Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2015, 01:49:02 PM

I've just heard that Smethwick have missed out on signing Joe Ledley on loan.

According to SSN earlier he could be close to completing a move to Crystal Palace despite being a Palace player since January last year.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on September 01, 2015, 02:20:06 PM

BREAKING NEWS FROM THE ARCHBISHOP

Quote from: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on September 01, 2015, 01:54:50 PM

I'd just like to add that I have nothing useful to add to this thread.

And that's now been confirmed.

I'll be back later with an update.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on September 01, 2015, 02:21:29 PM

We've signed a keeper. 18 year old Matija Sarkic. He looks about 12 on the official site.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on September 01, 2015, 02:22:01 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2015, 02:01:07 PM

Quote from: Clampy on September 01, 2015, 01:56:10 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2015, 01:54:02 PM

Quote from: Clampy on September 01, 2015, 01:51:32 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2015, 01:46:29 PM

SSN - Right, we now have some BREAKING NEWS from Bournemouth.

Go to wide boy in suit at Bournemouth who is confirming the same story they were running at 9 this morning.

Footage of Glen Murray holding a Bournemouth shirt whilst looking like he's just been told his dog is dead.

I had it on briefly this morning and they showed you for some odd reason Steve McClaren getting out of his car.

I've had it on in the background all day while I do some work, and it has been a four hour rotation of:

- Glenn Murray arriving Bournemouth
- Panel discussion about David De Gea
- Aforementioned McClaren car exit
- John Walters arriving at Stoke

I'm gutted I missed Johnathan Walters arriving at Stoke. Has Footyskillz been informed of this development?

They just said there are three PL sides interested in him (seriously), so I wouldn't rule out some skillz happiness later. Sadly.

With Tugboat Walters and Jason Scotland up top, we would be unstoppable.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on September 01, 2015, 02:24:46 PM

Quote from: Marlon From Bearwood on September 01, 2015, 02:21:29 PM

We've signed a keeper. 18 year old Matija Sarkic. He looks about 12 on the official site.

Looking to sign highly rated young players for development by the looks of it. Sherwood's supposed to have good knowledge of the youth levels from his days at Spurs so wonder if he's one he knew about?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on September 01, 2015, 02:31:35 PM

either the lad is very small or Tim is very tall/and or wearing high heels

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Doorbell on September 01, 2015, 02:35:28 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on September 01, 2015, 02:31:35 PM

either the lad is very small or Tim is very tall/and or wearing high heels

If Tim's been dishing out one of his facials again, I suspect they'll be some high heels involved.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on September 01, 2015, 02:35:55 PM

He looks like he's there on work experience.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on September 01, 2015, 02:47:18 PM

Just 3.5 hours left of a pulsating last day

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on September 01, 2015, 02:49:30 PM

if we can all just hang on for 4 years, we will have a fantastic team by then

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on September 01, 2015, 02:51:14 PM

I agree Sarkic might have grown tall enough by then to touch the crossbar without standing on an orange box

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: peter w on September 01, 2015, 02:59:27 PM

Wouldn't be surprised to see Berbatov as the type of lump the Albion would go for.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on September 01, 2015, 03:00:59 PM

a very deep lying role playing off Condom?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on September 01, 2015, 03:01:40 PM

Might be able to jump like a flea Mr U. Did you know if a flea was the size of a man it could jump over Nelson's Column? There's not a lot of people know that.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on September 01, 2015, 03:01:43 PM

Quote from: silhillvilla on September 01, 2015, 02:47:18 PM

Just 3.5 hours left of a pulsating last day

I'm not sure I can handle all this excitement!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: LeeB on September 01, 2015, 03:04:24 PM

Quote from: brian green on September 01, 2015, 03:01:40 PM

Might be able to jump like a flea Mr U. Did you know if a flea was the size of a man it could jump over Nelson's Column? There's not a lot of people know that.

I knew that, and I'm not a nosey neighbour.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: brian green on September 01, 2015, 03:07:05 PM

Back in the day the titchy keeper would have it in his contract that he had to stand on a Mita copier.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on September 01, 2015, 03:17:10 PM

Another 2 hours to get deals completed has appeared as if by magic...actual deal deadline is now 8pm as long as evidence of a deal is submitted between 4pm-6pm. Do they make this up as they go along?!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dicedlam on September 01, 2015, 03:25:29 PM

I have always been intrigued why transfers go right up to the last minute. Surely with so much money being involved the negotiations would be expected to have been done a lot sooner?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 01, 2015, 03:26:51 PM

Quote from: dicedlam on September 01, 2015, 03:25:29 PM

I have always been intrigued why transfers go right up to the last minute. Surely with so much money being involved the negotiations would be expected to have been done a lot sooner?

They put yellow stickers on the players at midday.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on September 01, 2015, 03:28:39 PM

it's not so much that this guy looks fairly small, it's also that he's a featherweight. I imagine if you blew on him he'd end up on outside lane of the M6 southbound

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on September 01, 2015, 03:29:52 PM

my mistake too much excitement. that was meant to go in the new keeper thread. Off for a lie down

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on September 01, 2015, 03:41:44 PM

David Ornstein (BBC) is reporting that Berbatov's wage demands are too high, and that Adebayor has rejected a move to us.

Time fro Wilson? Wouldn't need to ship anyone out either, as he's under 21...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: avfcpg on September 01, 2015, 03:45:16 PM

Aston Villa held talks with the agent of Dimitar Berbatov today, but decided against signing the 34-year-old striker on the grounds that his wage demands were too high. Berbatov is a free agent after his contract expired at Monaco, though, so he could be signed outside the window. Meanwhile, Villa are no longer interested in signing Emmanuel Adebayor. They had a deal agreed with Tottenham for the striker in late July, but Adebayor rejected the move and Villa have not pursued him since.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on September 01, 2015, 03:47:29 PM

Good on both accounts. We need goals but we don't over the hill mercenaries looking for their final pay day in this team.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 01, 2015, 03:49:14 PM

Quote from: KRS on September 01, 2015, 03:47:29 PM

Good on both accounts. We need goals but we don't over the hill mercenaries looking for their final pay day in this team.

I agree with this but I am sure if AB signs on deadline we will all change our tune - lol

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on September 01, 2015, 03:49:39 PM

I'm waiting until the deadline has passed before I call Adebayor a lazy, greedy swine.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 01, 2015, 03:51:55 PM

I don't mind not signing Adebayor so long as we have another forward lined up who is as good or better.

I suspect Berbatov will drop his demands and sign for someone after the deadline. Maybe us, maybe some US/Arab loadsamoney irrelevance.

I still want Austin...

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on September 01, 2015, 03:53:45 PM

Walters is worth a punt as was Glenn Murray both could get as many goals with tgere head as gestede and good enough on the floor

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on September 01, 2015, 04:02:29 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on September 01, 2015, 03:53:45 PM

Walters is worth a punt as was Glenn Murray

Jesus wept

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on September 01, 2015, 04:03:17 PM

Walters. No thanks (hopefully he'll sign for Leicester, Baggies or some other shit effort)
Murray. No thanks (already signed for Bournemouth)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 01, 2015, 04:03:45 PM

My mate has mentioned a loan move with Townsend.  No idea where that rumour has come from.

Whilst we have loads of players of that ilk, we have been forced to play Bacuna in that position recently and Adama might be a bit raw at the moment.  Not a huge fan of Townsend - largely due to the 15m fee - but could be a good transitional player whilst Adama gets used to life in this country.  Assuming Spurs/player do not ask silly money.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on September 01, 2015, 04:09:22 PM

Been out all day.How's Natalie's eye or do l have to cross over to Eastie for this essential information?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Jockey Randall on September 01, 2015, 04:10:38 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on September 01, 2015, 03:51:55 PM

I don't mind not signing Adebayor so long as we have another forward lined up who is as good or better.

I suspect Berbatov will drop his demands and sign for someone after the deadline. Maybe us, maybe some US/Arab loadsamoney irrelevance.

I still want Austin...

There must be more to the Austin story than meets the eye. I'm convinced one of the Premier league clubs would have forked out 15 million if everthing was ok with the player. My guess is his knees or whatever the reasons were that he failed the medical at Hull is putting people off.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on September 01, 2015, 04:11:47 PM

Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on September 01, 2015, 04:02:29 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on September 01, 2015, 03:53:45 PM

Walters is worth a punt as was Glenn Murray

Jesus wept

Why ever not good sir!?? He's as good an option as adeybayor or berbatov at this moment ? Though it looks like a fee is wanted and villa seem to be looking at loans? Andy Burton claims he's been on phone to adebayor and that he sitting at home watching SSN hoping west ham sign him

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2015, 04:11:59 PM

That tit Andy Burton on SSN apparently spoke to Adebayor just now, and he told him he's desperate to join West Ham.

So, relax, not coming here.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: nodge on September 01, 2015, 04:14:15 PM

Natalie's red eye is a bit off putting.  Can't she put a patch on, it's making me feel a bit ill to be honest.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on September 01, 2015, 04:14:52 PM

her tits on the other hand are a sight to behold

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on September 01, 2015, 04:15:14 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on September 01, 2015, 04:11:47 PM

Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on September 01, 2015, 04:02:29 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on September 01, 2015, 03:53:45 PM

Walters is worth a punt as was Glenn Murray

Jesus wept

Why ever not good sir!?? He's as good an option as adeybayor or berbatov at this moment ? Though it looks like a fee is wanted and villa seem to be looking at loans? Andy Burton claims he's been on phone to adebayor and that he sitting at home watching SSN hoping west ham sign him

If he was as good an option as Adebayor or Berbatov, why don't Stoke play him?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on September 01, 2015, 04:15:39 PM

Quote from: nodge on September 01, 2015, 04:14:15 PM

Natalie's red eye is a bit off putting.  Can't she put a patch on, it's making me feel a bit ill to be honest.

And what of her brown eye?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on September 01, 2015, 04:16:01 PM

Spurs are a joke thinking they can sign a player berhanio when wba said they need time to replace him if he was sold yet they make a 3rd rejected bid ! Yet the same club wont let adebayor go cheaply or Townsend out on loan
I hope villa get two decent loan signings

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Comrade Blitz on September 01, 2015, 04:19:01 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on September 01, 2015, 04:14:52 PM

her tits on the other hand are a sight to behold

Is Naked News covering the close of the transfer window?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on September 01, 2015, 04:19:11 PM

Quote from: nodge on September 01, 2015, 04:14:15 PM

Natalie's red eye is a bit off putting.  Can't she put a patch on, it's making me feel a bit ill to be honest.

Different is good. Deal with  it! Such a pointless shallow post this is what I hate about forums people saying such nonsense. I'm sure you're beautiful 100% of time and all the people you hang with. Please post a selfie  :)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on September 01, 2015, 04:19:15 PM

Forget a new striker, let's just have more of Natalie 'Lefteye' Sawyer until 6pm

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on September 01, 2015, 04:19:45 PM

Quote from: Clampy on September 01, 2015, 04:15:14 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on September 01, 2015, 04:11:47 PM

Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on September 01, 2015, 04:02:29 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on September 01, 2015, 03:53:45 PM

Walters is worth a punt as was Glenn Murray

Jesus wept

Why ever not good sir!?? He's as good an option as adeybayor or berbatov at this moment ? Though it looks like a fee is wanted and villa seem to be looking at loans? Andy Burton claims he's been on phone to adebayor and that he sitting at home watching SSN hoping west ham sign him

If he was as good an option as Adebayor or Berbatov, why don't Stoke play him?

maybe the same reason spurs don't play adebayor and Berbatov is clubless

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on September 01, 2015, 04:22:53 PM

Quote from: john e on September 01, 2015, 04:19:45 PM

Quote from: Clampy on September 01, 2015, 04:15:14 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on September 01, 2015, 04:11:47 PM

Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on September 01, 2015, 04:02:29 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on September 01, 2015, 03:53:45 PM

Walters is worth a punt as was Glenn Murray

Jesus wept

Why ever not good sir!?? He's as good an option as adeybayor or berbatov at this moment ? Though it looks like a fee is wanted and villa seem to be looking at loans? Andy Burton claims he's been on phone to adebayor and that he sitting at home watching SSN hoping west ham sign him

If he was as good an option as Adebayor or Berbatov, why don't Stoke play him?

maybe the same reason spurs don't play adebayor and Berbatov is clubless

True, but he's saying he's as good an option as those pair, which is very debatable.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Monty on September 01, 2015, 04:23:52 PM

Walters is the kind of player you pity other clubs for having.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: MoetVillan on September 01, 2015, 04:26:04 PM

Walters would have been a brilliant signing....instead of Nzogbia at the time. 

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on September 01, 2015, 04:26:15 PM

Quote from: Clampy on September 01, 2015, 04:22:53 PM

Quote from: john e on September 01, 2015, 04:19:45 PM

Quote from: Clampy on September 01, 2015, 04:15:14 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on September 01, 2015, 04:11:47 PM

Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on September 01, 2015, 04:02:29 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on September 01, 2015, 03:53:45 PM

Walters is worth a punt as was Glenn Murray

Jesus wept

Why ever not good sir!?? He's as good an option as adeybayor or berbatov at this moment ? Though it looks like a fee is wanted and villa seem to be looking at loans? Andy Burton claims he's been on phone to adebayor and that he sitting at home watching SSN hoping west ham sign him

If he was as good an option as Adebayor or Berbatov, why don't Stoke play him?

maybe the same reason spurs don't play adebayor and Berbatov is clubless

True, but he's saying he's as good an option as those pair, which is very debatable.

Yep, but it's footyskillz

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Ads on September 01, 2015, 04:26:29 PM

If we cannot get the right player in, then I'd rather we wait until January.

We have Scott "Better than Shearer" Sinclair, Gestede and Ayew to settle in, with Kozak and Gabby at a push.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on September 01, 2015, 04:31:12 PM

totally agree they are all capable of scoring no need to panic over missing out on the superannuation twins

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2015, 04:33:19 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on September 01, 2015, 04:14:52 PM

her tits on the other hand are a sight to behold

I noted with interest earlier how close her clip microphone was to them.  And then thought how I would like a job there as a 'clip microphone putter onner.'

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: RussellC on September 01, 2015, 04:37:44 PM

Sherwood's spoken on numerous occasion about dipping into the loan-market this summer. I still reckon he's got one or two more in-comings up his sleeve.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on September 01, 2015, 04:38:36 PM

Let's forget transfers.  Mrs Sam Matterface is far more interesting.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on September 01, 2015, 04:47:26 PM

Quote from: Clampy on September 01, 2015, 04:22:53 PM

Quote from: john e on September 01, 2015, 04:19:45 PM

Quote from: Clampy on September 01, 2015, 04:15:14 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on September 01, 2015, 04:11:47 PM

Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on September 01, 2015, 04:02:29 PM

Quote from: footyskillz on September 01, 2015, 03:53:45 PM

Walters is worth a punt as was Glenn Murray

Jesus wept

Why ever not good sir!?? He's as good an option as adeybayor or berbatov at this moment ? Though it looks like a fee is wanted and villa seem to be looking at loans? Andy Burton claims he's been on phone to adebayor and that he sitting at home watching SSN hoping west ham sign him

If he was as good an option as Adebayor or Berbatov, why don't Stoke play him?

maybe the same reason spurs don't play adebayor and Berbatov is clubless

True, but he's saying he's as good an option as those pair, which is very debatable.

Nothing is as good as those pair

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2015, 04:52:31 PM

I've had this shit on in the background all day so far, and this is the totality of what has actually happened

- Glenn Murray has gone from Palace to Bournemouth
- Villa have signed a foetus from Anderlecht
- Villa have signed Lescott
- West Ham have signed someone from Forest
- Watford have signed someone from Bruges
- Charlie Austin did a tweet
- Man United have had a brainwrong of some type and spent a billion pounds on an 8 year old

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2015, 04:53:06 PM

Levy offering hardly any money up front for berahino. Tight ass

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on September 01, 2015, 04:54:48 PM

can't wait now for the window to slam shut, unless Remy is already down to his underwear at BMH

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2015, 04:56:02 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2015, 04:53:06 PM

Levy offering hardly any money up front for berahino. Tight ass

5m up front and the rest in incentives / instalments.

Remarkable.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on September 01, 2015, 04:57:23 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2015, 04:56:02 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2015, 04:53:06 PM

Levy offering hardly any money up front for berahino. Tight ass

5m up front and the rest in incentives / instalments.

Remarkable.

The master negotiator at work

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: johnny from donny on September 01, 2015, 04:57:37 PM

Quote from: Des Little on September 01, 2015, 04:38:36 PM

Let's forget transfers.  Mrs Sam Matterface is far more interesting.

Now with an Ipswich Town  player who's name I don't remember

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2015, 04:57:45 PM

Quote from: john e on September 01, 2015, 04:57:23 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2015, 04:56:02 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2015, 04:53:06 PM

Levy offering hardly any money up front for berahino. Tight ass

5m up front and the rest in incentives / instalments.

Remarkable.

The master negotiator at work

On the last day of the window, too.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on September 01, 2015, 04:58:12 PM

it's probably the five million we are just about to put on the table for you know who

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on September 01, 2015, 04:58:31 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2015, 04:57:45 PM

Quote from: john e on September 01, 2015, 04:57:23 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2015, 04:56:02 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2015, 04:53:06 PM

Levy offering hardly any money up front for berahino. Tight ass

5m up front and the rest in incentives / instalments.

Remarkable.

The master negotiator at work

On the last day of the window, too.

They will make TV series about him in years to come

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on September 01, 2015, 05:00:19 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2015, 04:56:02 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2015, 04:53:06 PM

Levy offering hardly any money up front for berahino. Tight ass

5m up front and the rest in incentives / instalments.

Remarkable.

Is that really what is being reported? That can't be true... surely? If it is then Levy has upped his very own c**t stakes.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on September 01, 2015, 05:11:05 PM

Oh dear...Berahino tweeted that he's refusing to play for Baggies now. You couldnt make this shit up!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: silhillvilla on September 01, 2015, 05:12:19 PM

Any Leigh Griffiths updates

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2015, 05:13:56 PM

Gutted no striker, was quite pleased with the Gayle link as I reckon he is a really good player. Norwich might have a goodun there.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on September 01, 2015, 05:15:01 PM

Quote from: KRS on September 01, 2015, 05:11:05 PM

Oh dear...Berahino tweeted that he's refusing to play for Baggies now. You couldnt make this shit up!

Hope they keep him and he rots.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on September 01, 2015, 05:15:51 PM

Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on September 01, 2015, 05:00:19 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2015, 04:56:02 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2015, 04:53:06 PM

Levy offering hardly any money up front for berahino. Tight ass

5m up front and the rest in incentives / instalments.

Remarkable.

Is that really what is being reported? That can't be true... surely? If it is then Levy has upped his very own c**t stakes.

And he's still got the non playing  Adebayor stuck firmly up his arse,
the mans playing a blinder

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on September 01, 2015, 05:18:55 PM

It's all getting extremely exciting but right at this moment I have no further information to corroborate that.

More on this to follow.


(http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/web04/2012/10/3/11/anigif_enhanced-buzz-5558-1349278150-4.gif)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on September 01, 2015, 05:19:04 PM

Quote from: john e on September 01, 2015, 04:57:23 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2015, 04:56:02 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2015, 04:53:06 PM

Levy offering hardly any money up front for berahino. Tight ass

5m up front and the rest in incentives / instalments.

Remarkable.

The master negotiator at work

Of all the chairman, I think I would delight most in seeing his house of cards come tumbling down.  Just hope no-one backs down and he is left paying for players he doesn't want and not getting the ones he does.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on September 01, 2015, 05:22:07 PM

I don't believe we need a striker. Gestede needs proper service, not crap from Hutton, Kozak will come in and bag a few and might surprise the lot of us I think and Sinclair will replace Agbonlahor in my opinion...and score triple more than he ever had for years.

Ayew...hmmmmm!!!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on September 01, 2015, 05:22:11 PM

Joe Bennett going on loan to Bournemouth for 6 months. Maybe we're letting 1 more out to get another in......?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2015, 05:22:32 PM

Happy with Lescott, but very disappointed that there's no striker.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: pav on September 01, 2015, 05:24:06 PM

Yep, pleased with lescott. Disappointed no striker,  not even a loan deal,  36 minutes though... Come on Tim

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 01, 2015, 05:26:15 PM

Quote from: Jockey Randall on September 01, 2015, 04:10:38 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on September 01, 2015, 03:51:55 PM

I don't mind not signing Adebayor so long as we have another forward lined up who is as good or better.

I suspect Berbatov will drop his demands and sign for someone after the deadline. Maybe us, maybe some US/Arab loadsamoney irrelevance.

I still want Austin...

There must be more to the Austin story than meets the eye. I'm convinced one of the Premier league clubs would have forked out 15 million if everthing was ok with the player. My guess is his knees or whatever the reasons were that he failed the medical at Hull is putting people off.

I was just having the same conversation with a bloke at work. Either clubs are being put off because Gould's comments have scared them and they think there's something wrong with him, or because they know there's something wrong with him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on September 01, 2015, 05:27:29 PM

Quote from: KRS on September 01, 2015, 05:11:05 PM

Oh dear...Berahino tweeted that he's refusing to play for Baggies now. You couldnt make this shit up!

To be honest you could. I lack imagination but even I could make something up about a footballer not wanting to play football for a football team.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on September 01, 2015, 05:27:36 PM

Lamela £25 odd million
Soldado the same
Adebayor, relaxing at home picking up £5m per year
Vlad Chiriches nearly £10m
Some Korean I've never heard of, £20m
Ben Davies £10m
Paulinho £17m
Capoue £10m
Dembele £15m

That's nearly £150m spunked away, not even looking at some of the lesser priced crap they've signed. Master negotiator my arse, Levy is a fecking plum.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on September 01, 2015, 05:28:31 PM

BREAKING NEWS...UPDATE FROM THE ARCHBISHOP

Quote from: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on September 01, 2015, 05:18:55 PM

It's all getting extremely exciting but right at this moment I have no further information to corroborate that.

More on this to follow.


(http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/web04/2012/10/3/11/anigif_enhanced-buzz-5558-1349278150-4.gif)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 01, 2015, 05:30:07 PM

Quote from: Chris Jameson on September 01, 2015, 05:27:29 PM

Quote from: KRS on September 01, 2015, 05:11:05 PM

Oh dear...Berahino tweeted that he's refusing to play for Baggies now. You couldnt make this shit up!

To be honest you could. I lack imagination but even I could make something up about a footballer not wanting to play football for a football team.

He is a bit of a prick by the sound of it. I think West Brom are entitled to insist on more than £5 million, the price they usually spend on a nineteenth-choice midfielder, for him.

Still, good news for us if he refuses to play against us.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: oldtimernow on September 01, 2015, 05:33:06 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on September 01, 2015, 05:30:07 PM

Quote from: Chris Jameson on September 01, 2015, 05:27:29 PM

Quote from: KRS on September 01, 2015, 05:11:05 PM

Oh dear...Berahino tweeted that he's refusing to play for Baggies now. You couldnt make this shit up!

To be honest you could. I lack imagination but even I could make something up about a footballer not wanting to play football for a football team.

He is a bit of a prick by the sound of it. I think West Brom are entitled to insist on more than £5 million, the price they usually spend on a nineteenth-choice midfielder, for him.

Still, good news for us if he refuses to play against us.

A song for Saido?

"You can't always get what you want"

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: taylorsworkrate on September 01, 2015, 05:33:50 PM

I don't even rate Berahino particularly highly. Didn't a large portion of his goals last season come from penalties?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on September 01, 2015, 05:34:00 PM

I've been doing an Eastie today, I've been at about most of the day 'working from home'

I don't know why the transfer deadline day annoys so many people , it's absolutely hilarious

Man Utd, De Gea, Berahino, Levy, Adebayor, 36 million wonder kid, what's not to like

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cheltenhamlion on September 01, 2015, 05:37:35 PM

Jim White

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on September 01, 2015, 05:38:56 PM

The Liverpool defender guy is joining apparently (Liverpool Echo)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 01, 2015, 05:40:17 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on September 01, 2015, 05:38:56 PM

The Liverpool defender guy is joining apparently (Liverpool Echo)

Can he play centre-forward?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on September 01, 2015, 05:42:00 PM

Bournemouth trying to get Joe Bennett on a six-month loan.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on September 01, 2015, 05:43:13 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on September 01, 2015, 05:38:56 PM

The Liverpool defender guy is joining apparently (Liverpool Echo)

Liverpool fans rate the kid.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on September 01, 2015, 05:44:30 PM

Quote from: IAmTheOneIanOlney on September 01, 2015, 05:42:00 PM

Bournemouth trying to get Joe Bennett on a six-month loan.

No point helping them out. Can't imagine he's on that much, if they want him they can buy him I say.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 01, 2015, 05:45:10 PM

Henry's arrived on the telly so I had to turn over. I expect to be updated with news of a sensational striker signing on this thread.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on September 01, 2015, 05:47:19 PM

IIori has a buy out clause apparently ; Tim obviously feels   strengthening defence will see us through

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on September 01, 2015, 05:47:34 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on September 01, 2015, 05:44:30 PM

Quote from: IAmTheOneIanOlney on September 01, 2015, 05:42:00 PM

Bournemouth trying to get Joe Bennett on a six-month loan.

No point helping them out. Can't imagine he's on that much, if they want him they can buy him I say.

More than happy for Bournemouth to give Bennett some PL experience...at least we can monitor his progress on the highlights if he gets in their first team.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: oldtimernow on September 01, 2015, 05:47:55 PM

Yedlin gone to Sunderland....would have liked that one

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2015, 05:48:17 PM

Well if he does he's rapidly running out of time.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on September 01, 2015, 05:50:08 PM

Quote from: oldtimernow on September 01, 2015, 05:47:55 PM

Yedlin gone to Sunderland....would have liked that one

Yeah he looked incredibly rapid and good going forward at the World Cup, could turn out to be a bargain.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: manic-road on September 01, 2015, 05:52:32 PM

Eight minutes to get a top striker in.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on September 01, 2015, 05:54:46 PM

Watford sign a 1 in 10 Striker.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: manic-road on September 01, 2015, 05:56:16 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on September 01, 2015, 05:54:46 PM

Watford sign a 1 in 10 Striker.

Is he a member of UB40?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Nirog72 on September 01, 2015, 05:57:27 PM

I didn't know Gabby had been sold

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: manic-road on September 01, 2015, 05:57:46 PM

Odemwingie is in the car park.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2015, 05:58:31 PM

We should have gone for benzema

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on September 01, 2015, 05:59:35 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2015, 05:58:31 PM

We should have gone for benzema

Back up for Gestede and Ayew I presume

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on September 01, 2015, 06:00:31 PM

Tiago Ilori on loan from Liverpool looking likely - 19 yr old Portuguese centre - back. 6' 3". Bennett loan deal to Bournemouth being discussed.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on September 01, 2015, 06:01:36 PM

Door just slammed shut.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on September 01, 2015, 06:01:58 PM

I can hear the 6pm chimes from Worcester cathedral, that's it til the new year. Good riddance. Pleased with our lot generally but would have liked another  striker in. Oh well.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: oldtimernow on September 01, 2015, 06:02:07 PM

dong  (Vietnamese that is what Levy was offering the Baggies)

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on September 01, 2015, 06:02:40 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on September 01, 2015, 06:01:36 PM

Door just slammed shut.

Apparently not, still a lot going on according to Jim White

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: oldtimernow on September 01, 2015, 06:04:16 PM

put your pens down and stop writing

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on September 01, 2015, 06:05:39 PM

Tiago Ilori loan from Liverpool might still be on.

(According to Five Live).

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on September 01, 2015, 06:06:25 PM

Spurs surprised that Albion made public that one bid for Berahino involved a midfielder that Spurs forgot they no longer even owned.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: KRS on September 01, 2015, 06:07:05 PM

We're officially into TDLD overtime!!!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: john e on September 01, 2015, 06:07:12 PM

It's slamming shut at 8 now, Hayley McQueen just told me, and I would believe anything she says

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: oldtimernow on September 01, 2015, 06:08:04 PM

is Fergie still calling for added time?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2015, 06:08:44 PM

Don't forget arsenal can still sign players

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: oldtimernow on September 01, 2015, 06:08:52 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on September 01, 2015, 06:06:25 PM

Spurs surprised that Albion made public that one bid for Berahino involved a midfielder that Spurs forgot they no longer even owned.

Timmy S?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: walsall villain on September 01, 2015, 06:10:13 PM

Quote from: Tokyo Sexwhale on September 01, 2015, 06:05:39 PM

Tiago Ilori loan from Liverpool might still be on.

(According to Five Live).

Liverpool echo reporting it's done.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2015, 06:10:23 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on September 01, 2015, 06:06:25 PM

Spurs surprised that Albion made public that one bid for Berahino involved a midfielder that Spurs forgot they no longer even owned.

David Bentley?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on September 01, 2015, 06:11:00 PM

Quote from: oldtimernow on September 01, 2015, 06:08:52 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on September 01, 2015, 06:06:25 PM

Spurs surprised that Albion made public that one bid for Berahino involved a midfielder that Spurs forgot they no longer even owned.

Timmy S?

Glenn Hoddle.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2015, 06:11:18 PM

We having that defender for a year

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: nodge on September 01, 2015, 06:11:28 PM

Ilori to Villa?

Phil McNulty
BBC Sport chief football writer
Posted at 18:07
"Liverpool have submitted a 'Premier League deal sheet' regarding the potential transfer of 22-year-old Portuguese defender Tiago Ilori to Aston Villa.

"This has been accepted from the Premier League and means they now have until 20:00 to complete the paper work on this transfer. If it is completed it will be a season long loan.

"There is a significant loan fee for this - and a clause that would allow Aston Villa to make it permanent at the end of the transfer."

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2015, 06:11:42 PM

With a view for a permanent move

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: oldtimernow on September 01, 2015, 06:12:35 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2015, 06:11:42 PM

With a view for a permanent move

if pukka this looks very interesting

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2015, 06:13:11 PM

I'm quite happy with that but a striker would have been the best ever . Lets hope Kazak gets some game time .

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on September 01, 2015, 06:20:32 PM

Richards, Ilori, Lescott and Amavi replacing Baker, Vlaar, Lowton and Senderos that's a bloody big improvement.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Uknowthescore on September 01, 2015, 06:42:19 PM

18:39
BREAKING NEWS

Sky sources: Aston Villa have tried and failed in their bid to bring free agent Dimitar Berbatov to the club.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on September 01, 2015, 06:43:00 PM

We'll get Berbatov in I reckon, unless I've missed something whilst I've been in the gym

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Uknowthescore on September 01, 2015, 06:44:19 PM

Not according to sky mate

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on September 01, 2015, 06:45:05 PM

You can sign free agents any time so there would be no rush with him.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Des Little on September 01, 2015, 06:45:25 PM

If he's a free agent we can recruit him at our leisure.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on September 01, 2015, 06:45:37 PM

Interesting to see the Sky reporters outside the various training grounds - most look shit tips compared to Bodymoor Heath. Leicester's  training facility looks like a cattle shed! Bodymoor must impress any potential signings....except Adebayor...!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Exeter 77 on September 01, 2015, 06:47:56 PM

Has Joe Bennett gone to Bournemouth on loan or not?  I've not seen any confirmation

Edit: Yes - according to SSN but only after signing a contract extension.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: CT on September 01, 2015, 06:51:51 PM

Quote from: Exeter 77 on September 01, 2015, 06:47:56 PM

Has Joe Bennett gone to Bournemouth on loan or not?  I've not seen any confirmation

Sky had some guy inside their Stadium saying he was going there on a season long loan, was going to be one of the late deals.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on September 01, 2015, 07:04:22 PM

I think berba would have to be signed by Thursday to be eligible before Xmas in the league

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on September 01, 2015, 07:15:03 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on September 01, 2015, 07:04:22 PM

I think berba would have to be signed by Thursday to be eligible before Xmas in the league

Eligible or fit!!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ldavfc4eva on September 01, 2015, 07:44:15 PM

I think it's tomorrow that premier league teams have to submit there 25 man squad, so if Berbs is coming he better make it quick, can't see it though.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on September 01, 2015, 07:47:57 PM

He must have been on a fortune at Monaco and it does make you wonder what Fulham were paying him. That's if there was any truth that we'd spoken to him that is.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2015, 07:52:52 PM

I hope we get him still. He was still class last season and would add a totally different option.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on September 01, 2015, 07:56:14 PM

Id guess that wages for 'names' like Berbatov are being skewed by the US, Middle Eastern and Indian teams. He's probably worth taking on a years contract but his head will be turned by what he can get elsewhere.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on September 01, 2015, 08:09:49 PM

Adebayor, Adebayor, listens to his pastor and shuns bodymoor

Adebayor, adebayor

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on September 01, 2015, 08:13:55 PM

Came home switched on the TV and totally deflated as there was no sign of Natalie Sawyer. There was that Georgie girl yes very pretty but hardly an equal..very bad end to this TW.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on September 01, 2015, 08:22:02 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2015, 07:52:52 PM

I hope we get him still. He was still class last season and would add a totally different option.

In what way? He spent half a season wheezing around doing very little and then was dropped to the bench for most of the second half of the season.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Clampy on September 01, 2015, 08:27:47 PM

According to the Mirror's Darren Lewis (yes, i know), we couldn't agree terms with Hull for Mo Diame.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Quiet Lion on September 01, 2015, 09:01:04 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on September 01, 2015, 06:20:32 PM

Richards, Ilori, Lescott and Amavi replacing Baker, Vlaar, Lowton and Senderos that's a bloody big improvement.

Yep, we should end up being significantly stronger.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 01, 2015, 10:14:41 PM

Quote from: olaftab on September 01, 2015, 08:13:55 PM

Came home switched on the TV and totally deflated as there was no sign of Natalie Sawyer. There was that Georgie girl yes very pretty but hardly an equal..very bad end to this TW.

Even if you hack into someone else's account eastie, you're still banned.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: simon ward 50 on September 02, 2015, 11:09:47 AM

Quote from: Clampy on September 01, 2015, 08:27:47 PM

According to the Mirror's Darren Lewis (yes, i know), we couldn't agree terms with Hull for Mo Diame.

Lucky escape there!

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 02, 2015, 11:41:25 AM

Quote from: olaftab on September 01, 2015, 08:13:55 PM

Came home switched on the TV and totally deflated as there was no sign of Natalie Sawyer. There was that Georgie girl yes very pretty but hardly an equal..very bad end to this TW.

Kate Abdo was on. She's my new favourite. Millie Clode is somehow not as sexy since she came back.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on September 02, 2015, 01:09:25 PM

I think I've just seen something on the SSN news strap that says Berbatov has signed for some Greek side.  I didn't see who it was.  He must've really wanted to play for the Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 02, 2015, 01:12:46 PM

Berbatov to PAOK, one year deal, say the beeb.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on September 02, 2015, 01:16:23 PM

great, another ruinously expensive signing avoided. Are PAOK providing complimentary wheelchairs and smoking jackets?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: maidstonevillain on September 02, 2015, 02:52:17 PM

Also says in the article that Villa refused to meet his wage demands.  Nice to know that we were actively looking for a striker, and also that we were not forced into panicking.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: McGraths Dry Cleaning on September 02, 2015, 03:34:45 PM

Quote from: maidstonevillain on September 02, 2015, 02:52:17 PM

Also says in the article that Villa refused to meet his wage demands.  Nice to know that we were actively looking for a striker, and also that we were not forced into panicking.

Quite right - January is the window in which to panic  ;). I'm also really glad we didn't give in to his wage demands. We feel a bit better at transfers all of a sudden.....

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on September 02, 2015, 04:06:06 PM

I hope Sherwood and the scouts keep on looking across Europe (and beyond) for a striker between now and the January window.  Also looking at bringing in under 21 players that can be added to the squad.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: olaftab on September 02, 2015, 04:07:43 PM

Quote from: dave shelley on September 02, 2015, 01:09:25 PM

I think I've just seen something on the SSN news strap that says Berbatov has signed for some Greek side.  I didn't see who it was.  He must've really wanted to play for the Villa.

Well let's face it's not if he is going to get paid...bit of voluntary work for him so wish him well.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on September 02, 2015, 04:13:25 PM

Berbatov was certainly boosting his air miles yesterday and must have a good travel agent.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: OCD on September 02, 2015, 11:22:47 PM

Quote from: maidstonevillain on September 02, 2015, 02:52:17 PM

Also says in the article that Villa refused to meet his wage demands.  Nice to know that we were actively looking for a striker, and also that we were not forced into panicking.

Apart from supposedly bidding for Dwight Gayle.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: garyshawsknee on October 12, 2015, 08:48:38 PM

You heard it here first or it's complete nonsense, but I was just chatting to a friend in Colombia and she told me the rumours out there are that Carlos is joining River Plate. Considering Argentina is skint, i'd say it's nonsense.

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on October 12, 2015, 11:40:18 PM

Quote from: garyshawsknee on October 12, 2015, 08:48:38 PM

You heard it here first or it's complete nonsense, but I was just chatting to a friend in Colombia and she told me the rumours out there are that Carlos is joining River Plate. Considering Argentina is skint, i'd say it's nonsense.

I wouldn't be surprised at the one to be honest.  Nothing so far to show that he has improved since last season and I'm sure the lure of a club like that in South America would be very tempting.  In regards to Argentina being skint, didn't Tevez go back there recently?

Title: Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
Post by: Dave on October 12, 2015, 11:44:33 PM

They definitely weren't getting him confused with this guy?

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5YA29HuG86A/VI3yuHPgVWI/AAAAAAAAzWA/GJNMr0qsO-E/s1600/Carlos-Sanchez-01-RiverPlate.jpg)

Who is also called Carlos Sanchez and already plays for River Plate...