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Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
« Reply #2595 on: June 25, 2015, 10:46:26 PM »
I believe Guzan got dropped as sherwood was new into the role and had to exert his authority nice and early. A message. You drop a major bollock, you lose your place. If he'd done nothing it's carte Blanche.
The irony is , the other goals were defensive howlers yet those guys - vlaar etc got away scot free .

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Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
« Reply #2596 on: June 25, 2015, 10:48:01 PM »
I believe Guzan got dropped as sherwood was new into the role and had to exert his authority nice and early. A message. You drop a major bollock, you lose your place. If he'd done nothing it's carte Blanche.
The irony is , the other goals were defensive howlers yet those guys - vlaar etc got away scot free .

You do realise you've contradicted yourself twice there don't you?

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Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
« Reply #2597 on: June 25, 2015, 10:49:11 PM »
I believe Guzan got dropped as sherwood was new into the role and had to exert his authority nice and early. A message. You drop a major bollock, you lose your place. If he'd done nothing it's carte Blanche.
The irony is , the other goals were defensive howlers yet those guys - vlaar etc got away scot free .

You do realise you've contradicted yourself twice there don't you?
Quite possibly but you get the gist.

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Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
« Reply #2598 on: June 25, 2015, 10:51:18 PM »
Hang on a second. SilhillVilla is being the most positive about one of our players?

Alright. What's going on?

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Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
« Reply #2599 on: June 25, 2015, 10:52:19 PM »
The truth of the matter is that, if we are going to move the club forward, regardless of prioritizing, Brad isn't good enough for where we want to go. A useful back up but not a top class keeper in my humble opinion. Neither is Given.

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Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
« Reply #2600 on: June 25, 2015, 10:56:22 PM »
The truth of the matter is that, if we are going to move the club forward, regardless of prioritizing, Brad isn't good enough for where we want to go. A useful back up but not a top class keeper in my humble opinion. Neither is Given.

Harsh but true. Goes for a number of our players unfortunately. 

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Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
« Reply #2601 on: June 25, 2015, 10:57:51 PM »
The truth of the matter is that, if we are going to move the club forward, regardless of prioritizing, Brad isn't good enough for where we want to go. A useful back up but not a top class keeper in my humble opinion. Neither is Given.
But is the keeper a priority ? I'd say no. We need desperately a proper left back, a top level DCM and a top level creative midfielder and some quality back up for Benteke and arguably a winger .
Replacing Guzan isn't top of the list.

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Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
« Reply #2602 on: June 25, 2015, 10:58:45 PM »
The truth of the matter is that, if we are going to move the club forward, regardless of prioritizing, Brad isn't good enough for where we want to go. A useful back up but not a top class keeper in my humble opinion. Neither is Given.
"Where we want to go"? Yes, he's probably not going to be good enough for our eventual charge towards the top four and the Champions League. But nor are at least nine and probably ten of our first team.

For a comfortable 8-12th place finish he's just fine.

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Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
« Reply #2603 on: June 25, 2015, 11:01:32 PM »
I didn't think Guzan was as good last season as he was the previous ones. I still think he's a very decent keeper though although a break from the team may have done him good.

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Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
« Reply #2604 on: June 25, 2015, 11:02:15 PM »
I still think the defence goes to pot with Given behind them, Guzan is a much more calming influence. I think Begovic is an outstanding keeper though, and a good upgrade, but for £10 million surely a left back and central midfielder are bigger priorities at the moment.

I honestly don't think it makes a lot of difference.  One thing our defence has never been in the last 4 years has been calm.  At the heart of your team building, you need a great keeper and centre back combination, and we just haven't had that for too long.  Neither Guzan or Given are good enough, and none of our central defenders have been anything like reliable enough, in terms of form and fitness.  I therefore think a new keeper IS a priority.

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Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
« Reply #2605 on: June 25, 2015, 11:07:58 PM »
The truth of the matter is that, if we are going to move the club forward, regardless of prioritizing, Brad isn't good enough for where we want to go. A useful back up but not a top class keeper in my humble opinion. Neither is Given.

We finished 17th. There's a fair bit of work (years) to do before we can think about 'getting to where we want to get to'.

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Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
« Reply #2606 on: June 25, 2015, 11:13:39 PM »
Vlaar has been the issue defensively . He's either been injured or below par. He lost his captains spot deservedly and has been a real let down for 3 years .
This club has a heritage of top class central defenders and we need to reset this.

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Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
« Reply #2607 on: June 25, 2015, 11:15:31 PM »
Guzan is more than adequate for mid table in this league. Begovic is better than him, but £10m better? No chance. I think you also have to question why Stoke seem happy replacing him with Butland.

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Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
« Reply #2608 on: June 25, 2015, 11:16:45 PM »
We did look better when the defensive core was Guzan-Okore-Clark. Okore often looked a little nervous early on but will be better for the experience.

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Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
« Reply #2609 on: June 25, 2015, 11:18:23 PM »
Given needs Moving on if possible . He's only going one way now .

 


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