Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions

[paul_e]

Also as I stated if. People font want big bad tom lets hear suggested alternatives. Its all well and good to say we don't want him or must buy better!!? But which players realistically are we seeking. I suspect all summer I be asking this! I gave up my players which included big bad tom why don't others say ok huddledtone not for me I'd go for...

Anyway as he's in the news a decent fee of up to 3mil cant hurt. The trouble is it seems to be a different hull player every week.
Personally I see big bad tom go to Newcastle I think.
Btw bad dost is seemingly very good option however Sherwood doesn't look like a foreign player fancier esp untried in prem. His English ways and banter would be lost on those arriving. From non English game

People don't offer alternatives because there's not much point in most cases, just like posting a list of players you'd like to see doesn't really mean much.  I could grab a copy of the football manager DB and spend half an hour on whoscored and give you a list of 3-4 options in every position but I don't see the point.  I don't know what's realistic because I don't know who Sherwood is interested in, no one does because he's never bought a player.


You say he doesn't look like he'd be interested in foreign players but there's no evidence to support that.  There is evidence that there is a type of player that he hasn't liked working with but that's all, assuming the traits he doesn't like exist for every player who hasn't played in English football is a huge leap. Therefore he may be interested in foreign players but only ones with a good work rate and attitude in training and in that case the potential targets change.


The other issue with the links you give is that virtually all of them are pretty much on the same level as the players we have, if they're really the only genuine options we've got then we're fucked so the club needs to be working harder than just looking at players from the relegated clubs or the top 6s cast offs, which is pretty much all you've done.


What there is value to is stating that Huddlestone (or other players that are rumoured) isn't what we need, the flaws in his game (and fitness/mobility is one of those regardless of whether he's not as fat as he was at Tottenham) are too big to justify the range of passing he brings when that really is all he brings.


Don't take this as me having a go at you, if you want to bring players like this into the conversation then go ahead, but do it with an explanation of why you think they'd be a good signing and what gap they fill/who they replace.  On top of that don't act like anyone who disagrees but doesn't offer alternatives is ducking the question, it's nothing like that and trying to demand that anyone who wants an opinion has to forward alternatives does nothing to move the conversation on.


All that said if you want a name I'd love to see us looking at people like Youri Tielemans, Kevin Volland or Adam Maher, young, massive potential and being watched by lots of clubs, if the takeover happens these are the type of players that work for the 'moneyball' style approach i'd love to see the club take on, 2 of them would probably cost less than Jamie fucking Vardy as well (I think Volland is being talked about in the £20m region but the other 2 are more £10-15m).  Even if the takeover doesn't happen players like that are what I want to see us linked to (e.g. Benzia who i mentioned a few pages back) buying proven international footballers is an expensive game and with the wage cap it's almost impossible to do in bulk so buying younger players who have player a lot of games already and shown potential is the way to go.

[PeterWithesShin]

There's also a load of players out there who could do the job that we don't know exist, or even if we have heard of them would never think of. Who on here would have suggested Benteke a few years as a striker for us? I'd never heard of him before it came out we were interested.

[ozzjim]

Being linked with a £3m bid for Tom Carroll on bulltwit. I feel we should chronicle twitter rumours by who posts them, and then see if anyone is ever accurate. Just to keep me entertained through the long and painful summer months!

[paul_e]

Not sure about Tom Carroll, he's had a reputation that his performances don't really justify for a few years, sometimes that is because of age and problems adjusting but he's 23 now and he's never made the step up to being a regular first team player at this level, I think a year or 2 in the championship getting regular games is the sensible option for him and I don't think he'd be a good buy for us.

[godzvilla]

Sheffield Wednesday defender Claude Dielna name has cropped up as being in talks with us.

Strange one this, if true, but the story appears to have some momentum.........Godzvilla!
Aston Villa are reportedly in talks with Sheffield Wednesday defender Dielna.

Dielna arrived at Wednesday last summer, signing from Olympiakos on a free transfer.
The 27-year-old defender spent his debut season in English football as something of a rotation option at Hillsborough, making 25 appearances in all competitions, and scoring one goal.
Able to play all across the defensive line, the former Sedan, Ajaccio and Loriet player frequently appeared in the centre and to the left of the back-line, and he was an acceptable performer - if fairly average.
However, this has not lowered interest in him, and French media outlet FootMercato claims that he is in talks with Aston Villa to move to the club this summer, with 'negotiations proceeding well'.
He is said to be in advanced talks with the Premier League club, with Tim Sherwood keen on bringing him to Villa Park as his second signing of the summer - following the permanent deal for Scott Sinclair.
It would be a surprise deal, with Dielna hardly impressing at Championship level - let alone showing the ability to make the step up to the Premier League - but clearly Sherwood has seen enough to be impressed by the defender.
His versatility is useful, and adding reinforcements to the defensive unit will be of vital importance to Villa this summer, and it looks as if Dielna is well set to move to the Birmingham-based club with talks progressing well.
http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2015/06/15/report-aston-villa-in-talks-with-sheffield-wednesday-defender-cl/?

[footyskillz]

Also as I stated if. People font want big bad tom lets hear suggested alternatives. Its all well and good to say we don't want him or must buy better!!? But which players realistically are we seeking. I suspect all summer I be asking this! I gave up my players which included big bad tom why don't others say ok huddledtone not for me I'd go for...

Anyway as he's in the news a decent fee of up to 3mil cant hurt. The trouble is it seems to be a different hull player every week.
Personally I see big bad tom go to Newcastle I think.
Btw bad dost is seemingly very good option however Sherwood doesn't look like a foreign player fancier esp untried in prem. His English ways and banter would be lost on those arriving. From non English game

People don't offer alternatives because there's not much point in most cases, just like posting a list of players you'd like to see doesn't really mean much.  I could grab a copy of the football manager DB and spend half an hour on whoscored and give you a list of 3-4 options in every position but I don't see the point.  I don't know what's realistic because I don't know who Sherwood is interested in, no one does because he's never bought a player.


You say he doesn't look like he'd be interested in foreign players but there's no evidence to support that.  There is evidence that there is a type of player that he hasn't liked working with but that's all, assuming the traits he doesn't like exist for every player who hasn't played in English football is a huge leap. Therefore he may be interested in foreign players but only ones with a good work rate and attitude in training and in that case the potential targets change.


The other issue with the links you give is that virtually all of them are pretty much on the same level as the players we have, if they're really the only genuine options we've got then we're fucked so the club needs to be working harder than just looking at players from the relegated clubs or the top 6s cast offs, which is pretty much all you've done.


What there is value to is stating that Huddlestone (or other players that are rumoured) isn't what we need, the flaws in his game (and fitness/mobility is one of those regardless of whether he's not as fat as he was at Tottenham) are too big to justify the range of passing he brings when that really is all he brings.


Don't take this as me having a go at you, if you want to bring players like this into the conversation then go ahead, but do it with an explanation of why you think they'd be a good signing and what gap they fill/who they replace.  On top of that don't act like anyone who disagrees but doesn't offer alternatives is ducking the question, it's nothing like that and trying to demand that anyone who wants an opinion has to forward alternatives does nothing to move the conversation on.


All that said if you want a name I'd love to see us looking at people like Youri Tielemans, Kevin Volland or Adam Maher, young, massive potential and being watched by lots of clubs, if the takeover happens these are the type of players that work for the 'moneyball' style approach i'd love to see the club take on, 2 of them would probably cost less than Jamie fucking Vardy as well (I think Volland is being talked about in the £20m region but the other 2 are more £10-15m).  Even if the takeover doesn't happen players like that are what I want to see us linked to (e.g. Benzia who i mentioned a few pages back) buying proven international footballers is an expensive game and with the wage cap it's almost impossible to do in bulk so buying younger players who have player a lot of games already and shown potential is the way to go.

I can take this on board and makes sense too. Volland is one I rate for sure. I think I need to be clearer that I have a suspicious of Sherwood treatment of Gil and less exctent Carlos Sanchez because both don't play before in premier league England. And therefore Sherwood wasnt wishih to use their talents. I saw similar with lamela , soldado and eriksen at Spurs and there seemed an issue with Sandro for sure. OK for huddelsdton I would say his strength is passing and shooting . his weakness is his mobility. I feel he is capable of playing in midfield for villa as good as we have. I also am realistic to targets but hope euro under 21 and copa America bring some thing signings over to premier league namely with villa of course .

I like this idea of getting young potential  players in , works with Sherwood's young player grooming, but having experienced prem players who have the know how rather than any new to league European , central, north or  south american, African or south east Asian or Oceania players would be the deals and that sir is how I currently see it.

[Ron Manager]

Also as I stated if. People font want big bad tom lets hear suggested alternatives. Its all well and good to say we don't want him or must buy better!!? But which players realistically are we seeking. I suspect all summer I be asking this! I gave up my players which included big bad tom why don't others say ok huddledtone not for me I'd go for...

Anyway as he's in the news a decent fee of up to 3mil cant hurt. The trouble is it seems to be a different hull player every week.
Personally I see big bad tom go to Newcastle I think.
Btw bad dost is seemingly very good option however Sherwood doesn't look like a foreign player fancier esp untried in prem. His English ways and banter would be lost on those arriving. From non English game

People don't offer alternatives because there's not much point in most cases, just like posting a list of players you'd like to see doesn't really mean much.  I could grab a copy of the football manager DB and spend half an hour on whoscored and give you a list of 3-4 options in every position but I don't see the point.  I don't know what's realistic because I don't know who Sherwood is interested in, no one does because he's never bought a player.


You say he doesn't look like he'd be interested in foreign players but there's no evidence to support that.  There is evidence that there is a type of player that he hasn't liked working with but that's all, assuming the traits he doesn't like exist for every player who hasn't played in English football is a huge leap. Therefore he may be interested in foreign players but only ones with a good work rate and attitude in training and in that case the potential targets change.


The other issue with the links you give is that virtually all of them are pretty much on the same level as the players we have, if they're really the only genuine options we've got then we're fucked so the club needs to be working harder than just looking at players from the relegated clubs or the top 6s cast offs, which is pretty much all you've done.


What there is value to is stating that Huddlestone (or other players that are rumoured) isn't what we need, the flaws in his game (and fitness/mobility is one of those regardless of whether he's not as fat as he was at Tottenham) are too big to justify the range of passing he brings when that really is all he brings.


Don't take this as me having a go at you, if you want to bring players like this into the conversation then go ahead, but do it with an explanation of why you think they'd be a good signing and what gap they fill/who they replace.  On top of that don't act like anyone who disagrees but doesn't offer alternatives is ducking the question, it's nothing like that and trying to demand that anyone who wants an opinion has to forward alternatives does nothing to move the conversation on.


All that said if you want a name I'd love to see us looking at people like Youri Tielemans, Kevin Volland or Adam Maher, young, massive potential and being watched by lots of clubs, if the takeover happens these are the type of players that work for the 'moneyball' style approach i'd love to see the club take on, 2 of them would probably cost less than Jamie fucking Vardy as well (I think Volland is being talked about in the £20m region but the other 2 are more £10-15m).  Even if the takeover doesn't happen players like that are what I want to see us linked to (e.g. Benzia who i mentioned a few pages back) buying proven international footballers is an expensive game and with the wage cap it's almost impossible to do in bulk so buying younger players who have player a lot of games already and shown potential is the way to go.

I can take this on board and makes sense too. Volland is one I rate for sure. I think I need to be clearer that I have a suspicious of Sherwood treatment of Gil and less exctent Carlos Sanchez because both don't play before in premier league England. And therefore Sherwood wasnt wishih to use their talents. I saw similar with lamela , soldado and eriksen at Spurs and there seemed an issue with Sandro for sure. OK for huddelsdton I would say his strength is passing and shooting . his weakness is his mobility. I feel he is capable of playing in midfield for villa as good as we have. I also am realistic to targets but hope euro under 21 and copa America bring some thing signings over to premier league namely with villa of course .

I like this idea of getting young potential  players in , works with Sherwood's young player grooming, but having experienced prem players who have the know how rather than any new to league European , central, north or  south american, African or south east Asian or Oceania players would be the deals and that sir is how I currently see it.

Yes I understand that.......but what about Jason Scotland?

[paul_e]

Lamela was injured for most of the time he was manager, Soldado was shite when he played, Eriksen played fairly regularly under him (23 matches out of 26 I think).  Gil has been discussed on here in depth and Sanchez was in the side until he got suspended when Westwood came in and we started winning so he left it was it was.  Sandro I'll give you he had a problem with but given I don't rate Sandro at all I don't see the issue there either.  He's made some comments which suggest you may be right but that's really all there is to it; take away the comments (which were about giving youth team prospects a chance rather than buying in talent from abroad not the broader "don't buy foreign" that it sometimes gets painted as) and I doubt anyone would notice his decisions regarding English (or English trained) and foreign players.

We have a decent amount of experience in the squad now, the likes of Benteke, Delph, Clark and Bacuna have a good number of games at this level now despite their age and Gabby, Given, Richardson, Senderos and Cole give us the older heads as well so I think the balance in that regard is about right.  What needs improving is the quality of the squad, 3-4 players of high quality (like Benteke and Delph) would make a big difference to us as there's a lot of decent raw talent there but we have too many gaps.  Buying that quality means £15-20m a pop in this league or £5-10m from other leagues.  The value just isn't there in England, in most cases, the prices for Vardy, Stirling and Kane show just how broken the English market is.

[Chris Jameson]

Does Kevin Kyle still play football. We could sign him.

[walsall villain]

Does Kevin Kyle still play football. We could sign him.

He never played football I can assure you.

[edgysatsuma89]

I was watching the home nations games over the weekend, and I think it was the Northern Ireland game a bloke called Andone (if I remember correctly) came on and they spoke about Villa being interested apparently. Any ideas?

Edit: just looked. Old news from april.

[aj2k77]

According to a couple of Sheff Wed forums I took a look at Dielna is shit and they have no idea why a Premiership club are supposedly in for him.

[john e]

According to a couple of Sheff Wed forums I took a look at Dielna is shit and they have no idea why a Premiership club are supposedly in for him.

Chesterfields forums said exactly the same thing about Bowery, and look how that turned out   

[aj2k77]

According to a couple of Sheff Wed forums I took a look at Dielna is shit and they have no idea why a Premiership club are supposedly in for him.

Chesterfields forums said exactly the same thing about Bowery, and look how that turned out   

How did I ever forget about him...

Apparent cons are
. Hoofs
. Concentration
. Error prone

Pros
. Strong
. Decent cross

[Villa in Denmark]

According to a couple of Sheff Wed forums I took a look at Dielna is shit and they have no idea why a Premiership club are supposedly in for him.

Chesterfields forums said exactly the same thing about Bowery, and look how that turned out   

How did I ever forget about him...

Apparent cons are
. Hoofs
. Concentration
. Error prone

Pros
. Strong
. Decent cross

You can see why he'd fit straight into our back 4.😪