Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions

[Matt Collins]

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I think in the main they were squad players. Given the massive underinvestment under Ellis it was a case of trying to build a squad  from a very low base.

Blimey that's a claim and a half right there fella...

Compared to the comparative under investment by Randy, apart from maybe the first part of his reign ... Doug was like Abramovich

Remember Dougs net worth was not likley to be anything near Randy's was / is and the income from TV rights just crumbs compared to what it is now.

In comparison...we didn't do to badly out of Doug...the more accurate criticism is that we missed opportunities by not investing that little bit more at important points in his tenure as chairman.

I can't believe this view is still doing the rounds. We have published accounts you know. Randy's subsidy of villa is there for all to see. Why do you think we spent so much more than Everton in the oneill years, despite having similar crowds and league finishes.

Doug's tenure is definitely worth a rethink in light of all the mistakes randy made. But as far as I'm aware he never put a penny of his own money into subsidising transfers or wages

[Matt Collins]

Summarised here

http://www.birminghampost.co.uk/business/business-news/accounts-reveal-aston-villa-made-6779956

[pauliewalnuts]

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I think in the main they were squad players. Given the massive underinvestment under Ellis it was a case of trying to build a squad  from a very low base.

Blimey that's a claim and a half right there fella...

Compared to the comparative under investment by Randy, apart from maybe the first part of his reign ... Doug was like Abramovich

Remember Dougs net worth was not likley to be anything near Randy's was / is and the income from TV rights just crumbs compared to what it is now.

In comparison...we didn't do to badly out of Doug...the more accurate criticism is that we missed opportunities by not investing that little bit more at important points in his tenure as chairman.

Wow.

Do you really, honestly believe this?

How much of his own money do you think Doug put into Villa the entire time he was here?

I'm not saying Ellis was, or is, the devil or anything, I'm just pointing out that what you've said here is factually incorrect.

[Dave Javu]

Once Herbert does finally pop his clogs, there's going be one hell of a Off-Topic-Thatcher-Thread style fight on H&V.

[mr underhill]

leaving that particular polemic behind a moment, we won more under Doug than we have under Randy

[AV82EC]

leaving that particular polemic behind a moment, we won more under Doug than we have under Randy

leaving that particular polemic behind a moment, we won more under Doug than we have under Randy

Without sounding ungrateful we should have won more, under both of them.

Under Doug it was always a case of never quite going far enough or running the club to maximise its potential.

Under Lerner it was the colossal waste in his initial period as Chairman under MON.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

We've (and Everton) been linked in the Spanish press with Deportivo's keeper, Fabricio. Apparently he has a €6m buy out clause.

[aj2k77]

Under Ellis is was a much more even playing field and he didn't have to compete against Russians and Sheikhs and years of Champions league riches. It was a time when we had numerous opportunities to step up and become a true giant in the second biggest city in England but Mr Corner shop fucked it up because he was only interested in keeping things ticking over and making a pretty penny.

Ellis was a small time twat.

[AVH87]

Under Ellis is was a much more even playing field and he didn't have to compete against Russians and Sheikhs and years of Champions league riches. It was a time when we had numerous opportunities to step up and become a true giant in the second biggest city in England but Mr Corner shop fucked it up because he was only interested in keeping things ticking over and making a pretty penny.

Ellis was a small time twat.

This.

[Witton Warrior]

Under Ellis is was a much more even playing field and he didn't have to compete against Russians and Sheikhs and years of Champions league riches. It was a time when we had numerous opportunities to step up and become a true giant in the second biggest city in England but Mr Corner shop fucked it up because he was only interested in keeping things ticking over and making a pretty penny.

Ellis was a small time twat.

This.

Yep - lost opportunities - there was a cracking thread about it a couple of years ago...

[silhillvilla]

Ellis was a small time twat.

Harsh .

[pig]

Ellis was a small time twat.

Very harsh, if you look at clubs in similar size and stature, Wednesday, Forest, Leeds, Newcastle, West Ham and then look at us under Doug, I for one am thankful for what he did in the 90s. He kept us afloat, clean balance sheet and made a few shrewd decisions.

Everyone makes mistakes and his will be for not going the extra mile, but Leeds went the extra mile and look at them now.

To say Ellis is a twat is daft.

[warleyboy]

Ellis was a small time twat.

Very harsh, if you look at clubs in similar size and stature, Wednesday, Forest, Leeds, Newcastle, West Ham and then look at us under Doug, I for one am thankful for what he did in the 90s. He kept us afloat, clean balance sheet and made a few shrewd decisions.

Everyone makes mistakes and his will be for not going the extra mile, but Leeds went the extra mile and look at them now.

Absolutely agree my friend.
Doug kept the club in a great place, only finger pointing could be maybe when we were top of table and we didn't go that extra mile to secure title.

To say Ellis is a twat is daft.

[aj2k77]

Ellis was a small time twat.

Very harsh, if you look at clubs in similar size and stature, Wednesday, Forest, Leeds, Newcastle, West Ham and then look at us under Doug, I for one am thankful for what he did in the 90s. He kept us afloat, clean balance sheet and made a few shrewd decisions.

Everyone makes mistakes and his will be for not going the extra mile, but Leeds went the extra mile and look at them now.

To say Ellis is a twat is daft.

First I have to massively disagree with the clubs of a similar size comment. Doug Ellis took over the champions of Europe and under his stewardship relegated them within half a decade. West Ham, Sheff Wednesday, Notts Forest aren't and never have been the size of our club. Newcastle had a sustained period of good finishes and Leeds were run by a charlatan who gambled everything on continued champions league money.

Don't forget, when Doug finally pissed off, we were rapidly running out of money and had just survived a relegation battle. Another couple of years under him and no one would have been surprised to have seen us in the Championship with the above clubs.

The best two finishes under him were thanks to the genius of Graham Taylor, who saved our club and his magnificent scouting and recruitment policy and the Big Ron who benefited from the Platt riches.

This isn't an Ellis thread so I won't drag it on but I stand by my comment that Doug was a twat, I'll add in a failure as well.

[aj2k77]

And Leeds didn't go the extra mile, they went to another planet. Completely over the top and out of their league, the stories about Seth Johnson and rented fish tanks tell you exactly how they were run financially.