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Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
« Reply #1155 on: June 03, 2015, 10:37:49 PM »
That is not  a situation I worry about and we should not fear. If he walks out that would say more about his lack of substance rather than cast any aspersions towards our Club.
Disagree . What it would show is a young , ambitious manager quite rightly saying no. If the budget is anywhere close to last summer (£8m ??) he needs to walk.

Not that there's a single iota of evidence that this is the case. 

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Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
« Reply #1156 on: June 03, 2015, 10:38:40 PM »
That is not  a situation I worry about and we should not fear. If he walks out that would say more about his lack of substance rather than cast any aspersions towards our Club.
Disagree . What it would show is a young , ambitious manager quite rightly saying no. If the budget is anywhere close to last summer (£8m ??) he needs to walk.

You've imagined a whole series of events there and report them here as if they're true.

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Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
« Reply #1157 on: June 03, 2015, 10:56:41 PM »
Evans was very good for United the last time they won the title, but that was a couple of seasons ago and it seems like he's completely lost his confidence and composure. I'm not sure that just gets fixed automatically by moving to a club lower down the table.

He, Okore and Clark would be a great set of ball-playing CBs (look at this video here:
) but no one would have any confidence in them avoiding the fuck-ups.

We really need to expand our horizons for players. I don't really fancy cast-offs from teams above us or lower-league gambles.

Evans will be a good signing for someone this summer, Everton I suspect. Confidence needs to be rebuilt but has proven to be a top player before in a league winning side.
But we are ok for left sided central defenders, it's a right sided physical brute with pace that we need to look to partner Clark with. Phil Jones would be my punt with only 12 months left on his deal at Old Trafford. Makeweight in a deal with Benteke perhaps

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Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
« Reply #1158 on: June 03, 2015, 10:59:12 PM »
That is not  a situation I worry about and we should not fear. If he walks out that would say more about his lack of substance rather than cast any aspersions towards our Club.
Disagree . What it would show is a young , ambitious manager quite rightly saying no. If the budget is anywhere close to last summer (£8m ??) he needs to walk.

Not that there's a single iota of evidence that this is the case.
Correct that's why I said "if".
"If" being the case I'd be straight back down the M1.

Let's hope TS gets proper backing. I hope so but I cannot be sure.

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Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
« Reply #1159 on: June 03, 2015, 11:33:54 PM »
Evans was very good for United the last time they won the title, but that was a couple of seasons ago and it seems like he's completely lost his confidence and composure. I'm not sure that just gets fixed automatically by moving to a club lower down the table.

He, Okore and Clark would be a great set of ball-playing CBs (look at this video here:
) but no one would have any confidence in them avoiding the fuck-ups.

We really need to expand our horizons for players. I don't really fancy cast-offs from teams above us or lower-league gambles.

Evans will be a good signing for someone this summer, Everton I suspect. Confidence needs to be rebuilt but has proven to be a top player before in a league winning side.
But we are ok for left sided central defenders, it's a right sided physical brute with pace that we need to look to partner Clark with. Phil Jones would be my punt with only 12 months left on his deal at Old Trafford. Makeweight in a deal with Benteke perhaps

The same thing was no doubt said about Wes Brown and John O'Shea before him. Just because a player plays in a league winning side doesn't mean that he will look good in a mid-table team. When you've got enough quality to win league titles that can often cover weaknesses which then get exposed elsewhere.

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Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
« Reply #1160 on: June 03, 2015, 11:42:19 PM »
That is not  a situation I worry about and we should not fear. If he walks out that would say more about his lack of substance rather than cast any aspersions towards our Club.
Disagree . What it would show is a young , ambitious manager quite rightly saying no. If the budget is anywhere close to last summer (£8m ??) he needs to walk.

I would hope that before he took the job he was made some promises about transfers, provided he kept us up.  This is somewhat backed up by his recent comment that if there was a good case for a purchase and he convinced Lerner/Fox, there would be money available.
Well the good new is that it can't be that hard for TS to put together some evidence to back his case...make Lerner and Fox a cup of tea, pop out for some biscuits and nip down the Villa shop, grab a copy of this seasons DVD and press play. Jobs a good 'un.

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Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
« Reply #1161 on: June 03, 2015, 11:52:13 PM »
That is not  a situation I worry about and we should not fear. If he walks out that would say more about his lack of substance rather than cast any aspersions towards our Club.
Disagree . What it would show is a young , ambitious manager quite rightly saying no. If the budget is anywhere close to last summer (£8m ??) he needs to walk.

Not that there's a single iota of evidence that this is the case. 

Agreed. To begin with he's not even 'young'.

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Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
« Reply #1162 on: June 03, 2015, 11:53:32 PM »
I think Lerner, even if not sold, will back Sherwood with 20 million ish this summer of the TV money, plus a good ratio of what he brings in.

Weimann, Lowton and Cissokho going points to a new forward and 2 full backs being pretty high up on his agenda. Add in the departure of Cleverley I think we will be looking at 2 midfield players too. That is 5 already that we need, all of which need to be good enough to start. Tough job.

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Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
« Reply #1163 on: June 03, 2015, 11:57:12 PM »
That is not  a situation I worry about and we should not fear. If he walks out that would say more about his lack of substance rather than cast any aspersions towards our Club.
Disagree . What it would show is a young , ambitious manager quite rightly saying no. If the budget is anywhere close to last summer (£8m ??) he needs to walk.

Not that there's a single iota of evidence that this is the case. 

Agreed. To begin with he's not even 'young'.
Compared to wenger or srralex or Sam or Rafa or dick or Pelegrín , he's a spring kitten

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Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
« Reply #1164 on: June 04, 2015, 12:02:10 AM »
If you assume benteke and cleverley aren't here next year, what proportion of league goals under sherwood will have been scored by players still at the club? Under 10%?

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Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
« Reply #1165 on: June 04, 2015, 12:07:32 AM »
I think Lerner, even if not sold, will back Sherwood with 20 million ish this summer of the TV money, plus a good ratio of what he brings in.

Weimann, Lowton and Cissokho going points to a new forward and 2 full backs being pretty high up on his agenda. Add in the departure of Cleverley I think we will be looking at 2 midfield players too. That is 5 already that we need, all of which need to be good enough to start. Tough job.

To be at a reasonable PL level you need to be spending £20m a year to just standstill.

I have always looked it very roughly as a match day squad of 16 at an average of £5m = £80m over a 4 year contract i.e. £20m per year.  This is on the basis of not making profit on transfers and players on average only staying for the term of their contract.  Obviously, you do make some profit and some players extend their contracts but this would then be offset by the purchase of the remainder of the squad excluding own developed players.

As I said it is very rough but a good gauge as to the squad strength and a good indicator as to why we have gravitated towards the bottom of the league.

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Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
« Reply #1166 on: June 04, 2015, 12:15:41 AM »
That is not  a situation I worry about and we should not fear. If he walks out that would say more about his lack of substance rather than cast any aspersions towards our Club.
Disagree . What it would show is a young , ambitious manager quite rightly saying no. If the budget is anywhere close to last summer (£8m ??) he needs to walk.

Not that there's a single iota of evidence that this is the case. 

Agreed. To begin with he's not even 'young'.
Compared to wenger or srralex or Sam or Rafa or dick or Pelegrín , he's a spring kitten

All are either retired or will be within the next 5 years. The word I would have used instead of 'young' is 'inexperienced'. He's a virgin.

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Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
« Reply #1167 on: June 04, 2015, 12:28:04 AM »
I think Lerner, even if not sold, will back Sherwood with 20 million ish this summer of the TV money, plus a good ratio of what he brings in.

Weimann, Lowton and Cissokho going points to a new forward and 2 full backs being pretty high up on his agenda. Add in the departure of Cleverley I think we will be looking at 2 midfield players too. That is 5 already that we need, all of which need to be good enough to start. Tough job.

To be at a reasonable PL level you need to be spending £20m a year to just standstill.

I have always looked it very roughly as a match day squad of 16 at an average of £5m = £80m over a 4 year contract i.e. £20m per year.  This is on the basis of not making profit on transfers and players on average only staying for the term of their contract.  Obviously, you do make some profit and some players extend their contracts but this would then be offset by the purchase of the remainder of the squad excluding own developed players.

As I said it is very rough but a good gauge as to the squad strength and a good indicator as to why we have gravitated towards the bottom of the league.

I think that is a fair enough assumption.

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Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
« Reply #1168 on: June 04, 2015, 12:37:36 AM »
Big problem for us is attracting top players, it's just not going to happen.
So unfortunately, it is again about taking a punt On foreigners or championship players.
That's the world we currently live in, we need to face reality.
On top of that, we are based in a location that players do not seem to enjoy, they prefer London, Manchester, God knows why..


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Re: Summer 2015 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions
« Reply #1169 on: June 04, 2015, 02:04:40 AM »
Looks like TC23 is off to Everton on a 5 year deal, shame but I won't lose too much sleep.

 


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