Cameron Betrays Us

[aj2k77]

At least he didn't ''mistakenly'' own up to being a Chelsea fan.

[TopDeck113]

What do all the socialists on here think of Lord Janner ? Does he qualify as a c**t as well or not because he isn't a Tory ?

By the way I really think its sad that in our society having a different political view qualifies you to be abused like this. Would you say that to someone's face ?

I don't care if someone's politics exactly mirror mine if they are an actual or alleged paedophile.  For that they are beneath contempt.

Would an alleged paedophile still be beneath contempt if s/he was, subsequently, proven to be innocent?

You're right: I clumsily added the "alleged" to cover the fact that the original poster was writing about Greville Janner.  My disgust would, of course, only be reserved for those convicted in a criminal court or for the likes of Saville who avoided conviction through the expediency of death.

[robbo1874]

So you know him well then and know categorically he's not a Villa fan?

Does he sound like a Villa supporter?

he sounds like a twat, but he also said he's a life long villa supporter. If he he says he is then why not take him at face value on it? We've got plenty of fans who are twats - as I'm sure you will readily admit.

[Pat McMahon]

I think Amfy has it spot on. He isn't a football supporter but as his uncle (?) William Dugdale was our chairman in the 70s if he had to choose a team it would be us.

I find the whole spectacle of politicians specifically, and celebs generally, professing to love a team really irritating.

Out of interest, do they do this with rugby or cricket?

[Risso]

If you think that's bad, have a read of this...

http://www.charlesbarwell.com/portal/component/content/article/35/85-aston-villa-former-players-association-golf-day

Maybe it's a Tory thing.

Must've missed your point Dave. Are you saying you shouldn't support Villa if you're a conservative (I'm not, by the way). Or, is it that Tories as villa fans are not as good as non-Tory supporters. Yes these people are twats, but if they have a connection or a genuine affection for the club then who is anybody else to judge them as a supporter. Big if, I know, the cynic in me questions their genuine support - ie are they just saying it for popularity or to try and claim some non-existent connection with most people who love football. Maybe they do, maybe they don't - but if you're a genuine villa fan, that is not to say necessarily someone who goes home and away every week, but supports the club, then isnt that enough to not have to have everyone having a pop at you?

Did you miss the bit about Chris Nicholl scoring four goals in the League Cup final against Leicester, the fourth from forty yards?

yes I did. He didn't say it was the final though. People get their facts wrong from time to time - big deal.

Actually it is a big deal when the point of the story is making out that he's something he quite clearly isn't.

Isn't he just passing on what he was told?  How old is he?  I wouldn't be able to tell you anything about the 1976 final, as I was only 4 years old.  If I met a former player who told me he'd done something or other that day, I'd have no idea if he did or not.

[Chris Jameson]

Had a feeling we'd go for an old classic as our cup final song but got to say this took me by surprise.

[PeterWithesShin]

Isn't he just passing on what he was told?  How old is he?  I wouldn't be able to tell you anything about the 1976 final, as I was only 4 years old.  If I met a former player who told me he'd done something or other that day, I'd have no idea if he did or not.

Why has no one ever told me we were in a final in 1976? Why is there no record of this? 

[Chris Jameson]

I went to play football with Steve Caisley and a load of mates at the park after the 1976 FA Cup final. Think the final score was about 22-19, but we probably called it
4-1.

[olaftab]

Isn't he just passing on what he was told?  How old is he?  I wouldn't be able to tell you anything about the 1976 final, as I was only 4 years old.  If I met a former player who told me he'd done something or other that day, I'd have no idea if he did or not.

Why has no one ever told me we were in a final in 1976? Why is there no record of this? 

And what about 1980 final when we won the cup?

[peter w]

If you think that's bad, have a read of this...

http://www.charlesbarwell.com/portal/component/content/article/35/85-aston-villa-former-players-association-golf-day

Maybe it's a Tory thing.

Must've missed your point Dave. Are you saying you shouldn't support Villa if you're a conservative (I'm not, by the way). Or, is it that Tories as villa fans are not as good as non-Tory supporters. Yes these people are twats, but if they have a connection or a genuine affection for the club then who is anybody else to judge them as a supporter. Big if, I know, the cynic in me questions their genuine support - ie are they just saying it for popularity or to try and claim some non-existent connection with most people who love football. Maybe they do, maybe they don't - but if you're a genuine villa fan, that is not to say necessarily someone who goes home and away every week, but supports the club, then isnt that enough to not have to have everyone having a pop at you?

Did you miss the bit about Chris Nicholl scoring four goals in the League Cup final against Leicester, the fourth from forty yards?

yes I did. He didn't say it was the final though. People get their facts wrong from time to time - big deal.

Actually it is a big deal when the point of the story is making out that he's something he quite clearly isn't.

Isn't he just passing on what he was told?  How old is he?  I wouldn't be able to tell you anything about the 1976 final, as I was only 4 years old.  If I met a former player who told me he'd done something or other that day, I'd have no idea if he did or not.

You a Man U fan now?

[dave.woodhall]

If you think that's bad, have a read of this...

http://www.charlesbarwell.com/portal/component/content/article/35/85-aston-villa-former-players-association-golf-day

Maybe it's a Tory thing.

Must've missed your point Dave. Are you saying you shouldn't support Villa if you're a conservative (I'm not, by the way). Or, is it that Tories as villa fans are not as good as non-Tory supporters. Yes these people are twats, but if they have a connection or a genuine affection for the club then who is anybody else to judge them as a supporter. Big if, I know, the cynic in me questions their genuine support - ie are they just saying it for popularity or to try and claim some non-existent connection with most people who love football. Maybe they do, maybe they don't - but if you're a genuine villa fan, that is not to say necessarily someone who goes home and away every week, but supports the club, then isnt that enough to not have to have everyone having a pop at you?

Did you miss the bit about Chris Nicholl scoring four goals in the League Cup final against Leicester, the fourth from forty yards?

yes I did. He didn't say it was the final though. People get their facts wrong from time to time - big deal.

Actually it is a big deal when the point of the story is making out that he's something he quite clearly isn't.

Isn't he just passing on what he was told?  How old is he?  I wouldn't be able to tell you anything about the 1976 final, as I was only 4 years old.  If I met a former player who told me he'd done something or other that day, I'd have no idea if he did or not.

Are you saying that you don't know about one of the most iconic moments in the club's history?

[cdbearsfan]

What do all the socialists on here think of Lord Janner ? Does he qualify as a c**t as well or not because he isn't a Tory ?

By the way I really think its sad that in our society having a different political view qualifies you to be abused like this. Would you say that to someone's face ?

I don't care if someone's politics exactly mirror mine if they are an actual or alleged paedophile.  For that they are beneath contempt.

Would an alleged paedophile still be beneath contempt if s/he was, subsequently, proven to be innocent?

You're right: I clumsily added the "alleged" to cover the fact that the original poster was writing about Greville Janner.  My disgust would, of course, only be reserved for those convicted in a criminal court or for the likes of Saville who avoided conviction through the expediency of death.

Fair enough TD.

[Tokyo Sexwhale]

He's a Villa fan on the level that if someone asks him who he supports he'd say Villa.

My brother is on this level and he knows we're in a cup final, and that we won the European Cup but couldn't tell you when. Oddly - my brother could tell you when we last won the FA Cup because it was the answer to the code question for who we could answer the door to when we were home alone as kids. My brother would remember Brian Little & Andy Gray. He hates football, but was brought up in a Villa family so it's stayed with him, and he knows some random stuff. It think this is the catagory Cameron is in.

The problem arises for Cameron in that he has been advised to play this up because it makes him look more 'ordinary bloke' like, & it it has backfired spectacularly, in that his heart isn't in it enough to spot that his team is wrong in a speech that was written for him, not quick thinking enough to amend it, or even to realise it is significant to 'ordinary blokes' and read up a bit so he doesn't still look like a dick hours later. Politically, it s a problem because it makes him look a bit like someone who can't tell his own beliefs from those which have been written down for him.

Yeah, I know a few people who aren't really interested in football, but will say they're Villa fans because of family connections.  None of them though, would confuse Villa with West Ham.

If you're right though, then presumably that must have been the first time he was reading that speech - which means everything else he said wasn't necessarily his own thoughts, beliefs or sentiments.

[Toronto Villa]

Yep, I think there are varying levels of support. I do think Cameron follows us but I would never suggest it is any more than a surface level affinity. Kind of bloke who will find out we lost to Man City in the papers next week sometime, not follow the game or find out at right after if he missed it. For me, no reason to be overly critical of him any more so than if decided to follow someone else. This is very much in the "who cares?" category.

[Mortimer's Bear]

9 pages? We all definitely need to get out more!