Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Chipsticks on April 25, 2015, 12:37:06 PM
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I will lose sleep over this.
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******.
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c***.
Him, not you.
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Never trust a politician!
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Yes heard that earlier. Wanker. He is dead to me now even though I didn't like millipede.
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is he for real what a twat
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is he for real what a twat
Even worse - a Tory Twat
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He'll probably admit it was a mistake and he meant to say Burnley. Or Scunthorpe. Bullingdon Boy c**t
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He did actualy say hes a villa fan straight after .
Sort of lifted our profile a little higher too... We'd never of heard of this interview untill he said west ham
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Maybe he means because West Ham are playing Qpr today, or maybe he's just another plastic football fan.
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Its understandable, I do it all the time. Sometimes end up at Upton Park instead of villa park.
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Go easy on pigface.
Same colours, could have happened to any of us.
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They can keep him.
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Let's face it, he's a twat
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Its easy to say fuck the NHS rather than fund it too
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Shit, I was so close to voting Tory this time.
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It's an odd one, I'm not buying that he got the two teams confused or, indeed, that he always gets teams of the same colours mixed up. His uncle was Villa Chairman which suggests to me he knows the difference between all the clubs that wear our colours. Did someone write "West Ham" into his script? Was the speech delivered in West Ham territory? Was he chatting about West Ham to someone before he got up to make the speech and the name just got lodged in his head? It's embarrassing for him, but no big deal - public speakers make these types of gaffes all the time.
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It's an odd one, I'm not buying that he got the two teams confused or, indeed, that he always gets teams of the same colours mixed up. His uncle was Villa Chairman which suggests to me he knows the difference between all the clubs that wear our colours. Did someone write "West Ham" into his script? Was the speech delivered in West Ham territory? Was he chatting about West Ham to someone before he got up to make the speech and the name just got lodged in his head? It's embarrassing for him, but no big deal - public speakers make these types of gaffes all the time.
Apparently it wasn't on the autocue, so it seems it was a little jokey aside that went embarrassingly wrong for him.
Whether or not it's a big deal depends really. Plenty will dismiss it as you've done, which is fair enough. Personally I think it shows how utterly vacuous he is. He's not a football supporter at all, he's on record in Hansard saying so, but it's all part of the pseudo-pleb act, right up there with more beer and bingo.
Marina Hyde reported him talking to a group in a factory (so set the Plebometer to 9) when he made a reference to Villa winning the cup and saying "Well I can dream, can't I?", and yet it was obvious he didn't know we were about to play the semi-final. The massive phoney.
I wouldn't be so bothered if it was any other team, but it's mine so he can fuck right off.
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A cock up by his speech writer. Simples. He is a massive douche anyway.
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This smug twat who has personally caused my family a considerable amount of distress, not to say cost us a load of money, can fuck off as his support just besmirches my club.
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I can't believe that anyone would've fallen for this sort of horse shit anyway. The same goes for a member of the Royal Family supporting Villa.
Patronising wankers.
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Blimey what a nothing story
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File in the same folder as MON - 'Vichy C**t'.
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Shouldn't words like ****** be reserved for murderers, rapists and pedophiles? As opposed to the leader of the Conservative party. Doesn't make him the anti Christ. He just holds a different view politically to most of us. And he supports Villa. I don't see what the issue is with that either. I'm sure we have loads of fans with varying views on just about everything. As long as those views aren't illegal, then jump on board and they can all enjoy the ride.
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Shouldn't words like c*** be reserved for murderers, rapists and pedophiles? As opposed to the leader of the Conservative party. Doesn't make him the anti Christ. He just holds a different view politically to most of us. And he supports Villa. I don't see what the issue is with that either. I'm sure we have loads of fans with varying views on just about everything. As long as those views aren't illegal, then jump on board and they can all enjoy the ride.
Fair enough, but holding a politically different view is not quite the same as dreaming them up and implementing them as law to the detriment of mainly the poorest people in our society.
And he 'supports' Villa? Really?
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Shouldn't words like c*** be reserved for murderers, rapists and pedophiles? As opposed to the leader of the Conservative party. Doesn't make him the anti Christ. He just holds a different view politically to most of us. And he supports Villa. I don't see what the issue is with that either. I'm sure we have loads of fans with varying views on just about everything. As long as those views aren't illegal, then jump on board and they can all enjoy the ride.
Fair enough, but holding a politically different view is not quite the same as dreaming them up and implementing them as law to the detriment of mainly the poorest people in our society.
And he 'supports' Villa? Really?
Yes because Tony Blair was the greatest supporter of the common man wasn't he. Sorry but if you think true socialism exists then you're kidding yourself.
And what can't he support Villa. What is so completely outrageous about that? I've said this before but think of the pelters he'd be getting if came out and said he followed Chelsea or Man U? What's he got to gain by saying he likes us?
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Shouldn't words like c*** be reserved for murderers, rapists and pedophiles? As opposed to the leader of the Conservative party. Doesn't make him the anti Christ. He just holds a different view politically to most of us. And he supports Villa. I don't see what the issue is with that either. I'm sure we have loads of fans with varying views on just about everything. As long as those views aren't illegal, then jump on board and they can all enjoy the ride.
Sorry to disagree, mate, and I don't want to turn this into a political debate thread, but my youngest son is disabled and depends on benefits to enable him to live with a degree of independence. The first thing Cameron did was to demonise everyone on benefits, labelling them as lay-in-beds with the curtains shut while everyone else had to work hard. This has directly caused significant additional grief to my son. Cameron in my eyes is a c**t, and I call him as such every time his smug face appears on the TV. Fortunately only my dog has to hear the invectives!
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Shouldn't words like c*** be reserved for murderers, rapists and pedophiles? As opposed to the leader of the Conservative party. Doesn't make him the anti Christ. He just holds a different view politically to most of us. And he supports Villa. I don't see what the issue is with that either. I'm sure we have loads of fans with varying views on just about everything. As long as those views aren't illegal, then jump on board and they can all enjoy the ride.
Have a look at the Tories, and their history with regards to Football. Then have another think.
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Cameron's an arse wipe. Why doesn't he just say he prefers tennis and favourite players were e.g. Edberg and Henman?
Nouveau Bollockhead.
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This isn't a political thread and I don't want to turn it into one. But if you truly believe that Labour is what it once represented then I'm sorry it isn't. It's possible to agree with views from all political parties. Same goes for in the U.S. or Canada where I live. It's when you get stuck on everything that one party says is wrong then nothing improves and we all get stuck in our ways. I'm sure there's loads of things the Conservatives do that I wouldn't agree with, but that's not to say Labour made everything better while they were in power for a long time. It's one thing if you believe in the core values of socialism and what it once represented but even then it's not like Lenin lived amongst the people in the same condition as those he represented. There's plenty of well off Labour who would like to keep it that way.
And I have no idea how the Tory's and football throughout history relates to one man's support of a football team.
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This isn't a political thread and I don't want to turn it into one. But if you truly believe that Labour is what it once represented then I'm sorry it isn't. It's possible to agree with views from all political parties. Same goes for in the U.S. or Canada where I live. It's when you get stuck on everything that one party says is wrong then nothing improves and we all get stuck in our ways. I'm sure there's loads of things the Conservatives do that I wouldn't agree with, but that's not to say Labour made everything better while they were in power for a long time. It's one thing if you believe in the core values of socialism and what it once represented but even then it's not like Lenin lived amongst the people in the same condition as those he represented. There's plenty of well off Labour who would like to keep it that way.
And I have no idea how the Tory's and football throughout history relates to one man's support of a football team.
Ok then, if he is such a fan why not mention it prior to his bid to be PM? Why publicly state that he had no interest in the game and then directly contradict this statement? Why didn't he know when the team he claimed to support had it's finest hour?
If you believe him, good for you. I'm a bit more cynical, and given the evidence I believe I'm entitled to be so.
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This isn't a political thread and I don't want to turn it into one. But if you truly believe that Labour is what it once represented then I'm sorry it isn't. It's possible to agree with views from all political parties. Same goes for in the U.S. or Canada where I live. It's when you get stuck on everything that one party says is wrong then nothing improves and we all get stuck in our ways. I'm sure there's loads of things the Conservatives do that I wouldn't agree with, but that's not to say Labour made everything better while they were in power for a long time. It's one thing if you believe in the core values of socialism and what it once represented but even then it's not like Lenin lived amongst the people in the same condition as those he represented. There's plenty of well off Labour who would like to keep it that way.
And I have no idea how the Tory's and football throughout history relates to one man's support of a football team.
Ok then, if he is such a fan why not mention it prior to his bid to be PM? Why publicly state that he had no interest in the game and then directly contradict this statement? Why didn't he know when the team he claimed to support had it's finest hour?
If you believe him, good for you. I'm a bit more cynical, and given the evidence I believe I'm entitled to be so.
Interview trying to ask him questions about Villa. Spoiler alert he's unable to name the scorer of the winning European Cup goal
https://screen.yahoo.com/sky-news-latest/david-cameron-admits-not-game-125009798.html
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So Nev what you suggesting Cameron is a glory hunter by following Villa? Because that would be funny. Who cares when he revealed he liked us?
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Just because Labour aren't really true Labour any more doesn't mean that Cameron isn't a c**t
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Blimey what a nothing story
It self-evidently is a something story. Currently 4th most read on the BBC.
Two reasons I can think of - this has been an incredibly stage managed campaign. Particularly by the Tories, but also by Labour. They've given very little away, so a rare gaffe like this is manna from heaven for starving journos. And ask anyone want they want from a politician, and 'authenticity' will be close to the top of the list. It's basic, you need it to know who and what you're voting for. The perception of politicians is that they're not genuine, not authentic. And here he is proving it, the twat.
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So Nev what you suggesting Cameron is a glory hunter by following Villa? Because that would be funny. Who cares when he revealed he liked us?
No, I believe his advisors thought it may help his image, make him seem less aloof and upper class, for him to be portrayed as a football fan, as far as a club is concerned the family link helped in that respect. Chelsea or Man Utd would be too obvious. At best, it's disingenuous.
I believe the same is true where Prince William is concerned, although I have absolutely no evidence on that one.
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Ok he's a ****** and every other word to describe the worst people on the planet. I can't be arsed fighting this one.
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So Nev what you suggesting Cameron is a glory hunter by following Villa? Because that would be funny. Who cares when he revealed he liked us?
No, I believe his advisors thought it may help his image, make him seem less aloof and upper class, for him to be portrayed as a football fan, as far as a club is concerned the family link helped in that respect. Chelsea or Man Utd would be too obvious. At best, it's disingenuous.
I believe the same is true where Prince William is concerned, although I have absolutely no evidence on that one.
Surely if that was true it would have helped his image more to support a non league team or League 2 and not one with a billionaire owner in the PL.
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Shouldn't words like c*** be reserved for murderers, rapists and pedophiles? As opposed to the leader of the Conservative party. Doesn't make him the anti Christ. He just holds a different view politically to most of us. And he supports Villa. I don't see what the issue is with that either. I'm sure we have loads of fans with varying views on just about everything. As long as those views aren't illegal, then jump on board and they can all enjoy the ride.
Fair enough, but holding a politically different view is not quite the same as dreaming them up and implementing them as law to the detriment of mainly the poorest people in our society.
And he 'supports' Villa? Really?
Yes because Tony Blair was the greatest supporter of the common man wasn't he. Sorry but if you think true socialism exists then you're kidding yourself.
And what can't he support Villa. What is so completely outrageous about that? I've said this before but think of the pelters he'd be getting if came out and said he followed Chelsea or Man U? What's he got to gain by saying he likes us?
No, Tony Blair was indeed a Tory prick in all but name, but to get back to my point, a layman who holds a political view is not the same as someone who has the power to implement his political view whatever it might be.
As for his claim of supporting the Villa, I must say that I've not noticed him at Villa Park recently, or come to think of it, ever. But then I'm a bit forgetful. As far as his speech is concerned, his gaff proved that either he is not a football supporter of any hue, or else his brain is so addled that he can't actually remember who he does support.
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So Nev what you suggesting Cameron is a glory hunter by following Villa? Because that would be funny. Who cares when he revealed he liked us?
No, I believe his advisors thought it may help his image, make him seem less aloof and upper class, for him to be portrayed as a football fan, as far as a club is concerned the family link helped in that respect. Chelsea or Man Utd would be too obvious. At best, it's disingenuous.
I believe the same is true where Prince William is concerned, although I have absolutely no evidence on that one.
Surely if that was true it would have helped his image more to support a non league team or League 2 and not one with a billionaire owner in the PL.
http://www.offthepost.info/blog/2010/12/england-2018-bid-trump-card-david-cameron-doesnt-even-like-football/
David Cameron has been hailed as one of the Three Lions, whose participation in the England 2018 World Cup bid presentation has given the English bid the edge going into the vote. But while David Beckham is one of England’s greatest ever players and Prince William is the president of the FA, it turns out Cameron doesn’t even like football.
Thanks to Hansard, a Parliamentary speech made by Cameron in 2001 has come to light. The future PM admits he is not a football fan.
He told the House of Commons: “Many of those who have spoken in the debate or have written about the subject are either lawyers or football fans, but I have to confess that I am neither: I am just a novice parliamentarian who is trying to work out whether the draconian powers in the Bill are really necessary.”
In his presentation this morning, the Prime Minister made a point of praising the effectiveness of the British police. Back then he wondered: “Are the police using all the possible intelligence to follow hooligans and to share information with other police forces? Are they doing everything to help the French, Dutch and Belgian police forces to arrest people in those countries instead of Parliament giving our police service more powers?”
Via They Work For You
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This isn't a political thread and I don't want to turn it into one. But if you truly believe that Labour is what it once represented then I'm sorry it isn't. It's possible to agree with views from all political parties. Same goes for in the U.S. or Canada where I live. It's when you get stuck on everything that one party says is wrong then nothing improves and we all get stuck in our ways. I'm sure there's loads of things the Conservatives do that I wouldn't agree with, but that's not to say Labour made everything better while they were in power for a long time. It's one thing if you believe in the core values of socialism and what it once represented but even then it's not like Lenin lived amongst the people in the same condition as those he represented. There's plenty of well off Labour who would like to keep it that way.
And I have no idea how the Tory's and football throughout history relates to one man's support of a football team.
Nobody mentioned the Labour Party until you did.
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can i have his ticket now he,s not one of us anymore the wanker
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He's hardly the first person to have little interest in football but when asked would say they want xyz club to do well or that's their club. Over the years I've known loads like that. And most would want xyz to do well for family. It's not like he claims to be a Villa diehard who used to rock up to VP for Simod Cup games.
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So Nev what you suggesting Cameron is a glory hunter by following Villa? Because that would be funny. Who cares when he revealed he liked us?
No, I believe his advisors thought it may help his image, make him seem less aloof and upper class, for him to be portrayed as a football fan, as far as a club is concerned the family link helped in that respect. Chelsea or Man Utd would be too obvious. At best, it's disingenuous.
I believe the same is true where Prince William is concerned, although I have absolutely no evidence on that one.
Surely if that was true it would have helped his image more to support a non league team or League 2 and not one with a billionaire owner in the PL.
Nope, he was always going to be asked why he claimed to support a particular club and with Villa and he had an automatic family link, something he wouldn't have with any other club. And supporting a PL club is suitably high profile. Although it was always a bit half hearted, I can only remember him being at QPR a few years ago. Probably came out in a rash after being so close to the working classes.
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Looking forward to hearing the away contingent belting out I'm Forever Blowing Bubbles at the Etihad this evening.
On a serious note, the tories have always been the enemies of football and this is why their attempts to ingratiate themselves with the game so often end in ham fisted failure.
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He's hardly the first person to have little interest in football but when asked would say they want xyz club to do well or that's their club. Over the years I've known loads like that. And most would want xyz to do well for family. It's not like he claims to be a Villa diehard who used to rock up to VP for Simod Cup games.
Precisely I've never understood why anyone would get so wound up about it and then go as far as to call him a ******.
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So Nev what you suggesting Cameron is a glory hunter by following Villa? Because that would be funny. Who cares when he revealed he liked us?
It's not a political argument though TV. Cameron is a c*nt. It wouldn't matter if he were leader of the Lesbians for Renewable Dungarees party. Cameron would still be
This argument isn't going at all well, probably time to bale out.
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So Nev what you suggesting Cameron is a glory hunter by following Villa? Because that would be funny. Who cares when he revealed he liked us?
It's not a political argument though TV. Cameron is a c*nt. It wouldn't matter if he were leader of the Lesbians for Renewable Dungarees party. Cameron would still be
This argument isn't going at all well, probably time to bale out.
The argument that I don't believe he should be called a ******. Sorry it's not about baling out at all. That's your opinion. I'll keep that term for those who have killed people or molested children thanks. Feel free to hold your opinion it just isn't mine.
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So Nev what you suggesting Cameron is a glory hunter by following Villa? Because that would be funny. Who cares when he revealed he liked us?
It's not a political argument though TV. Cameron is a c*nt. It wouldn't matter if he were leader of the Lesbians for Renewable Dungarees party. Cameron would still be
This argument isn't going at all well, probably time to bale out.
The argument that I don't believe he should be called a c***. Sorry it's not about baling out at all. That's your opinion. I'll keep that term for those who have killed people or molested children thanks. Feel free to hold your opinion it just isn't mine.
Jeez. Sorry TV, the last comment was directed at myself as an intended funny. I wasn't trying to tell you to bale out.
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So Nev what you suggesting Cameron is a glory hunter by following Villa? Because that would be funny. Who cares when he revealed he liked us?
It's not a political argument though TV. Cameron is a c*nt. It wouldn't matter if he were leader of the Lesbians for Renewable Dungarees party. Cameron would still be
This argument isn't going at all well, probably time to bale out.
The argument that I don't believe he should be called a c***. Sorry it's not about baling out at all. That's your opinion. I'll keep that term for those who have killed people or molested children thanks. Feel free to hold your opinion it just isn't mine.
Jeez. Sorry TV, the last comment was directed at myself as an intended funny. I wasn't trying to tell you to bale out.
No worries Steve.
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I'd rather he say he supports us, no matter how clueless he is, than not mention us at all.
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I think calling him a Cnut is the least he deserves personally. I'd lean more towards head on a spike terratory, but that's just me. It's not down to tribal reasons, Tony Blair was rightly ridiculed for pretending he used to go and watch newcastle players who'd retired before he was born, this is the same sort of thing.
Politicians being caught out being disingenuous for no good reason shows how easily it comes to them. Cnuts.
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well there should be a spare for the final anyway
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Smarmy fecking arse wipe . We are all in together - the big society - there will be thousands of deserving Villa fan fans who won't get a ticket for the final.I am sure that prick will be there.
In his half & half Arsenal West Ham scarf .
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If you think that's bad, have a read of this...
http://www.charlesbarwell.com/portal/component/content/article/35/85-aston-villa-former-players-association-golf-day
Maybe it's a Tory thing.
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If you think that's bad, have a read of this...
http://www.charlesbarwell.com/portal/component/content/article/35/85-aston-villa-former-players-association-golf-day
Maybe it's a Tory thing.
Must've missed your point Dave. Are you saying you shouldn't support Villa if you're a conservative (I'm not, by the way). Or, is it that Tories as villa fans are not as good as non-Tory supporters. Yes these people are twats, but if they have a connection or a genuine affection for the club then who is anybody else to judge them as a supporter. Big if, I know, the cynic in me questions their genuine support - ie are they just saying it for popularity or to try and claim some non-existent connection with most people who love football. Maybe they do, maybe they don't - but if you're a genuine villa fan, that is not to say necessarily someone who goes home and away every week, but supports the club, then isnt that enough to not have to have everyone having a pop at you?
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David Hammeron ?
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If you think that's bad, have a read of this...
http://www.charlesbarwell.com/portal/component/content/article/35/85-aston-villa-former-players-association-golf-day
Maybe it's a Tory thing.
Must've missed your point Dave. Are you saying you shouldn't support Villa if you're a conservative (I'm not, by the way). Or, is it that Tories as villa fans are not as good as non-Tory supporters. Yes these people are twats, but if they have a connection or a genuine affection for the club then who is anybody else to judge them as a supporter. Big if, I know, the cynic in me questions their genuine support - ie are they just saying it for popularity or to try and claim some non-existent connection with most people who love football. Maybe they do, maybe they don't - but if you're a genuine villa fan, that is not to say necessarily someone who goes home and away every week, but supports the club, then isnt that enough to not have to have everyone having a pop at you?
If you are a genuine Villa fan you might know the difference between Division One and the League Cup or a legend and Darren Bradley.
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PRICK!
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Sorry, I meant: ******!
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Toronto Villa is clearly a devious troll.
Not a chance anyone could possibly be so spectacularly wrong about something as this.
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David Hammeron ?
David Strapon?
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Politician attempting to fool the nation by pretending to be something they're not and you're surprised? As for the election, it's like being served a plate containing a selection of different animal shits and being forced to choose one for dinner.
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Blimey what a nothing story
If one of the two candidates to be Prime Minister, in an election year, makes an embarassing gaffe, then it's a story.
Personally I don't care about Cameron supporting Villa. I think it's a bit sad that he's allowed his son to switch to Chelsea because they have more chance of winning things, and also that he uses a speech to say how nice it is that people in London support Man U.
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PRICK!
It's funny but I couldn't help thinking this would be the perfect example for a modern day Chelsea fan. Full of it when they win but if you showed them a photo of Micky Droy or Clive Walker hey wouldn't have a clue.
I actually blame the speechwriter but you'd have thought either;
A) He'd have noticed beforehand, I'm assuming he reads his speeches.
B) He'd have been able to think ahead and change it before saying the words.
C) He'd have been able to think on hisfeet and say I'm in Spam territory so I was appealing to my audience.
Ths denial and 'brain fade' nonsense is cringe worthy as was Blair's Barcode supporting shite.
Milliband looks like the kind of bloke who played Badminton. No danger of stuffing that up.
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I blame thatcher
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I blame thatcher
Always blame thatcher.
And Gove.
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It's that bitch's fault (Karen Brady) he obviously has the hots for her
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I blame thatcher
Always blame thatcher.
And Gove.
Vote Hodge.
That's Steve not Margaret.
That's err not Margaret Hodge, not not Margaret Thatcher.
You can't vote for her anyway, even if you wanted to, ding dong and all that eh ?
Am I having a brain fade ?
Who wrote this speech ?
C'mon you 'ammers !
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PRICK!
It's funny but I couldn't help thinking this would be the perfect example for a modern day Chelsea fan. Full of it when they win but if you showed them a photo of Micky Droy or Clive Walker hey wouldn't have a clue.
I actually blame the speechwriter but you'd have thought either;
A) He'd have noticed beforehand, I'm assuming he reads his speeches.
B) He'd have been able to think ahead and change it before saying the words.
C) He'd have been able to think on hisfeet and say I'm in Spam territory so I was appealing to my audience.
Ths denial and 'brain fade' nonsense is cringe worthy as was Blair's Barcode supporting shite.
Milliband looks like the kind of bloke who played Badminton. No danger of stuffing that up.
Bizarre that he's just read whatever's put in front of him, like Ron Burgundy
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The first thing I would like to put out of the way before I make my point about Cameron is that Labour is no longer Labour. The only thing I will concede is that Blair was the best leader the tories never had. Otherwise all the shit that is thrown at the Labour Party these days is along the lines "you can't be a socialist you don't keep your coal in the bath any more". I am proud to be a lifelong Labour Party member and everything my wife and I have been able to do for ourselves, our children, our family and our loved ones is as a result of working class boys and girls getting fair treatment in society. Damon did not die in childbirth because of the NHS, my wife is alive today because of the NHS, I still have enough eyesight to watch the Villa because of the NHS. I want all the children who are as disadvantaged today to have the same chances as I enjoyed as a disadvantaged child. We are a Labour family. My son is a Labour councillor in London, my wife is about to become a councillor, my daughter is a trade union leader, I have stood for election as a Labour Party candidate several times in tory heartland wards.
It is very easy for TV, whose contributions to these pages I respect and admire, to be a Labour basher from the other side of the Atlantic. A few days working in a foodbank or a homeless shelter in Cambridge, a massively rich city, offers a different perspective.
As for Cameron he has put himself entirely in the environment in which he is most comfortable. Remember Karren Brady shouting repeatedly "Come on you Blues" to the Conservative Party conference? Yes the very same Karren Brady who posed showing her bare arse climbing over a football pitch hoarding, who is now Dame Brady the protegee of those pillars of pornography Gold and Sullivan all working to prize the Olympic Park away from Orient and into a saleable bundle with the team we now know Cameron really supports.
Judge a man by his friends. Gold, Sullivan and Brady fit perfectly into Cameron's circle.
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Right on brother Brian.
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I wonder if he has a Villa tattoo? How many people can say that?
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Oh dear.
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I thought Lineker introducing West Ham on MOTD was quite funny.
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I wont do a quote-a-thon but in reply to Brian's post.
The NHS is a British institution that always has been/is/should always be off limits for any political party to dismantle. It is not the right of any political party to claim or infer ownership of it. This includes the Labour Party.
It is the people's NHS as proved by its involvement in the opening ceremony of the London Olympics.
I get a little pissed off when it's implied that because you no longer live in Britain you no longer have a say, or that your opinions are in some way invalid. Maybe some of of us still have Business interests, family, visit regularly etc. Maybe some of us can actually stand back away from the party politics and tribalism that so many get swept up in at election time and still have an informed opinion.
100% agree on the Brady paragraph.
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Surely to betray someone or thing it has to matter to you in the first place? His Villa links are just a chance convenience to him so of course he's going to stumble sometimes because it's not part of his being as it is with most supporters. I'm quite happy for him to sod off and pick another team maybe nearer his constituency -Oxford maybe? Bet he'll have a better memory when he's easing himself into his royal box seat on 30 May .
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Twat.
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I thought Lineker introducing West Ham on MOTD was quite funny.
Yeah, that was good.
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I agree that his support was based on a querky family connection years ago and fuck all else since.
But you'd have thought that knowing the way the media worked he'd have anticipated the questions, brushed up on his Villa 'basics' and put together a better defence than that feeble showing on Sky. Not even knowing when we won he European Cup and who scored the goal FFS!
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I wont do a quote-a-thon but in reply to Brian's post.
The NHS is a British institution that always has been/is/should always be off limits for any political party to dismantle. It is not the right of any political party to claim or infer ownership of it. This includes the Labour Party.
It is the people's NHS as proved by its involvement in the opening ceremony of the London Olympics.
Considering that it was the Labour Party, via Bevan, that introduced the NHS against the backdrop of huge opposition from, primarily, the Tory Party, it is always going to be politicised. It was seen as the introduction of socialism at the time of it's formation and drew howls of protest not only from Tories such as Churchill but also from Doctors via the BMA and, notably, the right wing press.
I say notably because when Danny Boyle included the NHS as part of that opening ceremony at the Olympic Games in 2012, once again the same press decried the whole thing as did Tory MP's such as Aiden Burley.
The NHS can never be anything other than political as the principle at it's very heart depends on an ideology that can only ever be described as left wing.
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The Villa link was a spin doctor's idea of making the lowest common denominator, identify with a privileged toff.
As such, it's quite a cock up.
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This thread, and olaftab's comment about 'Cameron's dead to me now even though I don't like millipede', got a mention in the Independent today!
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I wont do a quote-a-thon but in reply to Brian's post.
The NHS is a British institution that always has been/is/should always be off limits for any political party to dismantle. It is not the right of any political party to claim or infer ownership of it. This includes the Labour Party.
It is the people's NHS as proved by its involvement in the opening ceremony of the London Olympics.
Considering that it was the Labour Party, via Bevan, that introduced the NHS against the backdrop of huge opposition from, primarily, the Tory Party, it is always going to be politicised. It was seen as the introduction of socialism at the time of it's formation and drew howls of protest not only from Tories such as Churchill but also from Doctors via the BMA and, notably, the right wing press.
I say notably because when Danny Boyle included the NHS as part of that opening ceremony at the Olympic Games in 2012, once again the same press decried the whole thing as did Tory MP's such as Aiden Burley.
The NHS can never be anything other than political as the principle at it's very heart depends on an ideology that can only ever be described as left wing.
Im just not sure that really true any more though. Yes I know the origins of the NHS and its inception via Bevan and Atlee. But this institution has been with through Governments of all colours now for some 65 years, survived and flourished. I say this as having family members with a combined total of 40 years NHS service who work in it today at the QE.
I agree the whole ideology may have been left wing in 1945 but is wasn't still the case 1955, 1965, 1975, 1985, 1995, 2005 or is it now in 2015. And it won't be in 2025 either I'd imagine.
I'm pleased to say its the things I'm most proud of referring to when visiting relatives in the US. That and the Ryder Cup.....
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If you think that's bad, have a read of this...
http://www.charlesbarwell.com/portal/component/content/article/35/85-aston-villa-former-players-association-golf-day
Maybe it's a Tory thing.
Must've missed your point Dave. Are you saying you shouldn't support Villa if you're a conservative (I'm not, by the way). Or, is it that Tories as villa fans are not as good as non-Tory supporters. Yes these people are twats, but if they have a connection or a genuine affection for the club then who is anybody else to judge them as a supporter. Big if, I know, the cynic in me questions their genuine support - ie are they just saying it for popularity or to try and claim some non-existent connection with most people who love football. Maybe they do, maybe they don't - but if you're a genuine villa fan, that is not to say necessarily someone who goes home and away every week, but supports the club, then isnt that enough to not have to have everyone having a pop at you?
Did you miss the bit about Chris Nicholl scoring four goals in the League Cup final against Leicester, the fourth from forty yards?
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I was going to write something very similar, Nev. The 1945 Labour Government is, in my mind, the greatest administration in British history for attempting to right centuries of wrongs meted out to the majority of the population of these islands - and the NHS, despite its many imperfections remains the Labour Party's greatest legacy.
I would also add that whilst Cameron has said very positive things about the NHS with regard to the treatment his late son received, one knows full well that should push come to shove in terms of making deep and brutal cuts through which lobby he would walk. Why? Because he always could - and always will - be able to afford the alternative option.
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This thread, and olaftab's comment about 'Cameron's dead to me now even though I don't like millipede', got a mention in the Independent today!
Have you got a link?
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I've never heard of Davie Gibson, who is he?
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This thread, and olaftab's comment about 'Cameron's dead to me now even though I don't like millipede', got a mention in the Independent today!
Good spot (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/generalelection/general-election-2015-tory-backbenchers-tip-rising-star-andrea-leadsom-as-successor-to-david-cameron-as-party-leader-10204409.html)
Aston Villa fans took to social media to complain. A person called olaftab said on the “Cameron betrays us” thread on the Heroes & Villains Aston Villa fanzine site that Mr Cameron is “dead to me now even though I didn’t like millipede [Ed Miliband]”.
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Thanks for that. Although the way it reads suggests that the journalist probably doesn't quite understand the humorous intent in olaftab's post!
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This thread, and olaftab's comment about 'Cameron's dead to me now even though I don't like millipede', got a mention in the Independent today!
Good spot (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/generalelection/general-election-2015-tory-backbenchers-tip-rising-star-andrea-leadsom-as-successor-to-david-cameron-as-party-leader-10204409.html)
Aston Villa fans took to social media to complain. A person called olaftab said on the “Cameron betrays us” thread on the Heroes & Villains Aston Villa fanzine site that Mr Cameron is “dead to me now even though I didn’t like millipede [Ed Miliband]”.
Fantastic, brilliant quote too. Bit rich of Blair's spin doctor to call anyone else "phoney" though.
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This isn't a political thread and I don't want to turn it into one. But if you truly believe that Labour is what it once represented then I'm sorry it isn't. It's possible to agree with views from all political parties. Same goes for in the U.S. or Canada where I live. It's when you get stuck on everything that one party says is wrong then nothing improves and we all get stuck in our ways. I'm sure there's loads of things the Conservatives do that I wouldn't agree with, but that's not to say Labour made everything better while they were in power for a long time. It's one thing if you believe in the core values of socialism and what it once represented but even then it's not like Lenin lived amongst the people in the same condition as those he represented. There's plenty of well off Labour who would like to keep it that way.
And I have no idea how the Tory's and football throughout history relates to one man's support of a football team.
Ok then, if he is such a fan why not mention it prior to his bid to be PM? Why publicly state that he had no interest in the game and then directly contradict this statement? Why didn't he know when the team he claimed to support had it's finest hour?
If you believe him, good for you. I'm a bit more cynical, and given the evidence I believe I'm entitled to be so.
Interview trying to ask him questions about Villa. Spoiler alert he's unable to name the scorer of the winning European Cup goal
https://screen.yahoo.com/sky-news-latest/david-cameron-admits-not-game-125009798.html
Jesus. Who on earth is running their election campaign? He made a huge mistake yesterday, and he should have been up all night revising a few keys facts so that he didn't go and make things worse. In as much as he's a football fan at all (i.e. not much) I do believe he's a Villa fan, but that's in the same way that say, Zoe Ball is a Man Utd fan. I think this is akin to Gordon Brown insulting that old lady, in that it exposes his pretensions about being an ordinary bloke. All he really had to do in this campaign is to be seen to be a better bet than Ed Miliband, which on the face of it shouldn't have been that hard, but with all of the nonsense over the leaders' debates, and now claretandbluegate, he's made a right pig's ear of it.
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I was going to write something very similar, Nev. The 1945 Labour Government is, in my mind, the greatest administration in British history for attempting to right centuries of wrongs meted out to the majority of the population of these islands - and the NHS, despite its many imperfections remains the Labour Party's greatest legacy.
I would also add that whilst Cameron has said very positive things about the NHS with regard to the treatment his late son received, one knows full well that should push come to shove in terms of making deep and brutal cuts through which lobby he would walk. Why? Because he always could - and always will - be able to afford the alternative option.
The NHS is still a party political football. The future of the NHS in its present form - free at the point of delivery etc... would be very unsafe given another 5 years of the Tories. Their deliberate lack of funding during the last 5 years is responsible for the present difficulties and is merely the forerunner to an acceleration in privatisation that will benefit a handful of healthcare companies and their shareholders (see Tory Peers register of interests) and not the patients.
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Can we keep the rest of the election out of here please? There's a perfectly good thread about it in Off Topic.
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Surely no true Villa fan will vote for the Tories now?
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Surely no true Villa fan will vote for the Tories now?
No football fan should ever vote Tory.
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Thanks for that. Although the way it reads suggests that the journalist probably doesn't quite understand the humorous intent in olaftab's post!
No neither my post nor this thread..
Can't believe after that comment this morning he didn't know the year and just said " in the early eighties"! You would have thought he might have had looked at wiki last night.
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Surely no true Villa fan will vote for the Tories now?
No football fan should ever vote Tory.
Love Villa Hate Cameron.
That's my next tattoo.
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Toronto Villa is clearly a devious troll.
Not a chance anyone could possibly be so spectacularly wrong about something as this.
Excuse me. What did you call me?
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Thanks for that. Although the way it reads suggests that the journalist probably doesn't quite understand the humorous intent in olaftab's post!
They also seem to be under the impression we won the European Cup 24 years ago rather than 33!
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What do all the socialists on here think of Lord Janner ? Does he qualify as a c**t as well or not because he isn't a Tory ?
By the way I really think its sad that in our society having a different political view qualifies you to be abused like this. Would you say that to someone's face ?
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What do all the socialists on here think of Lord Janner ? Does he qualify as a c**t as well or not because he isn't a Tory ?
By the way I really think its sad that in our society having a different political view qualifies you to be abused like this. Would you say that to someone's face ?
Does he get Villa confused with West Ham? If he does... he's a ******!
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If you think that's bad, have a read of this...
http://www.charlesbarwell.com/portal/component/content/article/35/85-aston-villa-former-players-association-golf-day
Maybe it's a Tory thing.
Must've missed your point Dave. Are you saying you shouldn't support Villa if you're a conservative (I'm not, by the way). Or, is it that Tories as villa fans are not as good as non-Tory supporters. Yes these people are twats, but if they have a connection or a genuine affection for the club then who is anybody else to judge them as a supporter. Big if, I know, the cynic in me questions their genuine support - ie are they just saying it for popularity or to try and claim some non-existent connection with most people who love football. Maybe they do, maybe they don't - but if you're a genuine villa fan, that is not to say necessarily someone who goes home and away every week, but supports the club, then isnt that enough to not have to have everyone having a pop at you?
Did you miss the bit about Chris Nicholl scoring four goals in the League Cup final against Leicester, the fourth from forty yards?
yes I did. He didn't say it was the final though. People get their facts wrong from time to time - big deal.
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What do all the socialists on here think of Lord Janner ? Does he qualify as a c**t as well or not because he isn't a Tory ?
By the way I really think its sad that in our society having a different political view qualifies you to be abused like this. Would you say that to someone's face ?
I think Lord Janner is innocent until it is actually proven otherwise in a court of law, same as everyone else in this country is, be they Labour, Tory or apolitical.
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What do all the socialists on here think of Lord Janner ? Does he qualify as a c**t as well or not because he isn't a Tory ?
By the way I really think its sad that in our society having a different political view qualifies you to be abused like this. Would you say that to someone's face ?
I agree with that. I have never voted Tory and I find many of their views totally against things I believe, but I would never use some of the language that I've seen on here because I disagreed with an opponents political view. We're not dealing with the absolute scum of the world.
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Surely no true Villa fan will vote for the Tories now?
No football fan should ever vote Tory.
Love Villa Hate Cameron.
That's my next tattoo.
Hahaha! Superb! Please don't forget to post us a photo on here.
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What do all the socialists on here think of Lord Janner ? Does he qualify as a c**t as well or not because he isn't a Tory ?
By the way I really think its sad that in our society having a different political view qualifies you to be abused like this. Would you say that to someone's face ?
I don't care if someone's politics exactly mirror mine if they are an actual or alleged paedophile. For that they are beneath contempt.
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If you think that's bad, have a read of this...
http://www.charlesbarwell.com/portal/component/content/article/35/85-aston-villa-former-players-association-golf-day
Maybe it's a Tory thing.
Must've missed your point Dave. Are you saying you shouldn't support Villa if you're a conservative (I'm not, by the way). Or, is it that Tories as villa fans are not as good as non-Tory supporters. Yes these people are twats, but if they have a connection or a genuine affection for the club then who is anybody else to judge them as a supporter. Big if, I know, the cynic in me questions their genuine support - ie are they just saying it for popularity or to try and claim some non-existent connection with most people who love football. Maybe they do, maybe they don't - but if you're a genuine villa fan, that is not to say necessarily someone who goes home and away every week, but supports the club, then isnt that enough to not have to have everyone having a pop at you?
Did you miss the bit about Chris Nicholl scoring four goals in the League Cup final against Leicester, the fourth from forty yards?
yes I did. He didn't say it was the final though. People get their facts wrong from time to time - big deal.
Actually it is a big deal when the point of the story is making out that he's something he quite clearly isn't.
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So you know him well then and know categorically he's not a Villa fan?
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I'm sure Chris Nicholls 50 yard netbuster didn't go in the top right corner either.... didn't it dip and go in the bottom left as you look at the goal?
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I've seen some cracking factual errors from pretty much all of us on here, me included, it happens.
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He's probably taken so many back handers over the Olympic Stadium legacy that it's easy to convince himself that he's now a West Ham fan (allegedly).
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Toronto Villa is clearly a devious troll.
Not a chance anyone could possibly be so spectacularly wrong about something as this.
And we'll have no more of that thank you.
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So you know him well then and know categorically he's not a Villa fan?
Does he sound like a Villa supporter?
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What do all the socialists on here think of Lord Janner ? Does he qualify as a c**t as well or not because he isn't a Tory ?
By the way I really think its sad that in our society having a different political view qualifies you to be abused like this. Would you say that to someone's face ?
I agree with that. I have never voted Tory and I find many of their views totally against things I believe, but I would never use some of the language that I've seen on here because I disagreed with an opponents political view. We're not dealing with the absolute scum of the world.
Hey TV. I think you've just hit the nail on the head. Some people on here are of the opinion that we are talking about absolute scum (for reasons such as targeting the most vulnerable in our society, being a professional liar, dismantling the NHS). Politics provokes a strong reaction (what do they say? Don't talk about Politics, Religion or Money?). You are just of the opinion that Cameron isn't absolute scum whilst some other people feel he is. I don't think you are going to change anyone's mind if they think Cameron is a C**t or refer to him as that. Calling him that just shows the depth of feeling some people have for him and what he represents. I'm a bit surprised that you seem surprised by people's reaction/feelings towards him but none of the comments or swearing are aimed at you.
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What do all the socialists on here think of Lord Janner ? Does he qualify as a c**t as well or not because he isn't a Tory ?
By the way I really think its sad that in our society having a different political view qualifies you to be abused like this. Would you say that to someone's face ?
I don't care if someone's politics exactly mirror mine if they are an actual or alleged paedophile. For that they are beneath contempt.
Would an alleged paedophile still be beneath contempt if s/he was, subsequently, proven to be innocent?
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He's a Villa fan on the level that if someone asks him who he supports he'd say Villa.
My brother is on this level and he knows we're in a cup final, and that we won the European Cup but couldn't tell you when. Oddly - my brother could tell you when we last won the FA Cup because it was the answer to the code question for who we could answer the door to when we were home alone as kids. My brother would remember Brian Little & Andy Gray. He hates football, but was brought up in a Villa family so it's stayed with him, and he knows some random stuff. It think this is the catagory Cameron is in.
The problem arises for Cameron in that he has been advised to play this up because it makes him look more 'ordinary bloke' like, & it it has backfired spectacularly, in that his heart isn't in it enough to spot that his team is wrong in a speech that was written for him, not quick thinking enough to amend it, or even to realise it is significant to 'ordinary blokes' and read up a bit so he doesn't still look like a dick hours later. Politically, it s a problem because it makes him look a bit like someone who can't tell his own beliefs from those which have been written down for him.
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He is a Villa fan, we all know that he's said so unscripted in the past,
He might not be as good a fan as U.S. and that was obvously a mistake but he had his reasons for choosing Villa,
We can't all be the perfect supporters
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At least he didn't ''mistakenly'' own up to being a Chelsea fan.
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What do all the socialists on here think of Lord Janner ? Does he qualify as a c**t as well or not because he isn't a Tory ?
By the way I really think its sad that in our society having a different political view qualifies you to be abused like this. Would you say that to someone's face ?
I don't care if someone's politics exactly mirror mine if they are an actual or alleged paedophile. For that they are beneath contempt.
Would an alleged paedophile still be beneath contempt if s/he was, subsequently, proven to be innocent?
You're right: I clumsily added the "alleged" to cover the fact that the original poster was writing about Greville Janner. My disgust would, of course, only be reserved for those convicted in a criminal court or for the likes of Saville who avoided conviction through the expediency of death.
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So you know him well then and know categorically he's not a Villa fan?
Does he sound like a Villa supporter?
he sounds like a twat, but he also said he's a life long villa supporter. If he he says he is then why not take him at face value on it? We've got plenty of fans who are twats - as I'm sure you will readily admit.
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I think Amfy has it spot on. He isn't a football supporter but as his uncle (?) William Dugdale was our chairman in the 70s if he had to choose a team it would be us.
I find the whole spectacle of politicians specifically, and celebs generally, professing to love a team really irritating.
Out of interest, do they do this with rugby or cricket?
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If you think that's bad, have a read of this...
http://www.charlesbarwell.com/portal/component/content/article/35/85-aston-villa-former-players-association-golf-day
Maybe it's a Tory thing.
Must've missed your point Dave. Are you saying you shouldn't support Villa if you're a conservative (I'm not, by the way). Or, is it that Tories as villa fans are not as good as non-Tory supporters. Yes these people are twats, but if they have a connection or a genuine affection for the club then who is anybody else to judge them as a supporter. Big if, I know, the cynic in me questions their genuine support - ie are they just saying it for popularity or to try and claim some non-existent connection with most people who love football. Maybe they do, maybe they don't - but if you're a genuine villa fan, that is not to say necessarily someone who goes home and away every week, but supports the club, then isnt that enough to not have to have everyone having a pop at you?
Did you miss the bit about Chris Nicholl scoring four goals in the League Cup final against Leicester, the fourth from forty yards?
yes I did. He didn't say it was the final though. People get their facts wrong from time to time - big deal.
Actually it is a big deal when the point of the story is making out that he's something he quite clearly isn't.
Isn't he just passing on what he was told? How old is he? I wouldn't be able to tell you anything about the 1976 final, as I was only 4 years old. If I met a former player who told me he'd done something or other that day, I'd have no idea if he did or not.
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Had a feeling we'd go for an old classic as our cup final song but got to say this took me by surprise.
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Isn't he just passing on what he was told? How old is he? I wouldn't be able to tell you anything about the 1976 final, as I was only 4 years old. If I met a former player who told me he'd done something or other that day, I'd have no idea if he did or not.
Why has no one ever told me we were in a final in 1976? Why is there no record of this? ;)
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I went to play football with Steve Caisley and a load of mates at the park after the 1976 FA Cup final. Think the final score was about 22-19, but we probably called it
4-1.
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Isn't he just passing on what he was told? How old is he? I wouldn't be able to tell you anything about the 1976 final, as I was only 4 years old. If I met a former player who told me he'd done something or other that day, I'd have no idea if he did or not.
Why has no one ever told me we were in a final in 1976? Why is there no record of this? ;)
And what about 1980 final when we won the cup?
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If you think that's bad, have a read of this...
http://www.charlesbarwell.com/portal/component/content/article/35/85-aston-villa-former-players-association-golf-day
Maybe it's a Tory thing.
Must've missed your point Dave. Are you saying you shouldn't support Villa if you're a conservative (I'm not, by the way). Or, is it that Tories as villa fans are not as good as non-Tory supporters. Yes these people are twats, but if they have a connection or a genuine affection for the club then who is anybody else to judge them as a supporter. Big if, I know, the cynic in me questions their genuine support - ie are they just saying it for popularity or to try and claim some non-existent connection with most people who love football. Maybe they do, maybe they don't - but if you're a genuine villa fan, that is not to say necessarily someone who goes home and away every week, but supports the club, then isnt that enough to not have to have everyone having a pop at you?
Did you miss the bit about Chris Nicholl scoring four goals in the League Cup final against Leicester, the fourth from forty yards?
yes I did. He didn't say it was the final though. People get their facts wrong from time to time - big deal.
Actually it is a big deal when the point of the story is making out that he's something he quite clearly isn't.
Isn't he just passing on what he was told? How old is he? I wouldn't be able to tell you anything about the 1976 final, as I was only 4 years old. If I met a former player who told me he'd done something or other that day, I'd have no idea if he did or not.
You a Man U fan now?
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If you think that's bad, have a read of this...
http://www.charlesbarwell.com/portal/component/content/article/35/85-aston-villa-former-players-association-golf-day
Maybe it's a Tory thing.
Must've missed your point Dave. Are you saying you shouldn't support Villa if you're a conservative (I'm not, by the way). Or, is it that Tories as villa fans are not as good as non-Tory supporters. Yes these people are twats, but if they have a connection or a genuine affection for the club then who is anybody else to judge them as a supporter. Big if, I know, the cynic in me questions their genuine support - ie are they just saying it for popularity or to try and claim some non-existent connection with most people who love football. Maybe they do, maybe they don't - but if you're a genuine villa fan, that is not to say necessarily someone who goes home and away every week, but supports the club, then isnt that enough to not have to have everyone having a pop at you?
Did you miss the bit about Chris Nicholl scoring four goals in the League Cup final against Leicester, the fourth from forty yards?
yes I did. He didn't say it was the final though. People get their facts wrong from time to time - big deal.
Actually it is a big deal when the point of the story is making out that he's something he quite clearly isn't.
Isn't he just passing on what he was told? How old is he? I wouldn't be able to tell you anything about the 1976 final, as I was only 4 years old. If I met a former player who told me he'd done something or other that day, I'd have no idea if he did or not.
Are you saying that you don't know about one of the most iconic moments in the club's history?
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What do all the socialists on here think of Lord Janner ? Does he qualify as a c**t as well or not because he isn't a Tory ?
By the way I really think its sad that in our society having a different political view qualifies you to be abused like this. Would you say that to someone's face ?
I don't care if someone's politics exactly mirror mine if they are an actual or alleged paedophile. For that they are beneath contempt.
Would an alleged paedophile still be beneath contempt if s/he was, subsequently, proven to be innocent?
You're right: I clumsily added the "alleged" to cover the fact that the original poster was writing about Greville Janner. My disgust would, of course, only be reserved for those convicted in a criminal court or for the likes of Saville who avoided conviction through the expediency of death.
Fair enough TD.
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He's a Villa fan on the level that if someone asks him who he supports he'd say Villa.
My brother is on this level and he knows we're in a cup final, and that we won the European Cup but couldn't tell you when. Oddly - my brother could tell you when we last won the FA Cup because it was the answer to the code question for who we could answer the door to when we were home alone as kids. My brother would remember Brian Little & Andy Gray. He hates football, but was brought up in a Villa family so it's stayed with him, and he knows some random stuff. It think this is the catagory Cameron is in.
The problem arises for Cameron in that he has been advised to play this up because it makes him look more 'ordinary bloke' like, & it it has backfired spectacularly, in that his heart isn't in it enough to spot that his team is wrong in a speech that was written for him, not quick thinking enough to amend it, or even to realise it is significant to 'ordinary blokes' and read up a bit so he doesn't still look like a dick hours later. Politically, it s a problem because it makes him look a bit like someone who can't tell his own beliefs from those which have been written down for him.
Yeah, I know a few people who aren't really interested in football, but will say they're Villa fans because of family connections. None of them though, would confuse Villa with West Ham.
If you're right though, then presumably that must have been the first time he was reading that speech - which means everything else he said wasn't necessarily his own thoughts, beliefs or sentiments.
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Yep, I think there are varying levels of support. I do think Cameron follows us but I would never suggest it is any more than a surface level affinity. Kind of bloke who will find out we lost to Man City in the papers next week sometime, not follow the game or find out at right after if he missed it. For me, no reason to be overly critical of him any more so than if decided to follow someone else. This is very much in the "who cares?" category.
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9 pages? We all definitely need to get out more!
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9 pages? We all definitely need to get out more!
Blimey, you're right. I'm tapping out on this one. Way more important things to do and talk about.
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Are you saying that you don't know about one of the most iconic moments in the club's history?
Well I could tell you a fair amount about most seasons from about 1980 onwards and a reasonable amount about things like the 57 final and other stuff from our earlier glory days. The 70s period, not so much I'm afraid, other than the 75 and 77 league cup wins, and then only from reading about them.
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I would think that if you are a fan and born say 1990 onwards you would know almost everything about 82 just like I know almost all the stories about 57.
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I find it weird that people wouldn't feel strongly enough about politicians who they disagree with to call them all the names under the sun. Politics encompasses everything that matters, if you can't get wound up by that what can you get wound up about?
With the league cup final, the wrong date is all over the internet, including Wikipedia, putting it down as 1976. People who weren't born/sentient beings at the time should probably get cut a bit of slack, whether they be Tories or Karl Marx or whoever. People of whatever age who claim to be Villa fans and don't know about the European Cup are missing out on a ripping yarn if nothing else.
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And to expand on olaftab's point, there will be no one alive who remembers Villa in the 19th century, but I'd imagine most genuine fans would know by the time they reach adulthood that we are one of the few clubs that have done the Double. Just don't ask me who scored the goals when we beat Everton in the Cup Final...
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I bet there are plenty who go to a shed load of games every year who wouldn't have a clue who Rinder, Athersmith, Devey etc are.
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I find it weird that people wouldn't feel strongly enough about politicians who they disagree with to call them all the names under the sun. Politics encompasses everything that matters, if you can't get wound up by that what can you get wound up about?
With the league cup final, the wrong date is all over the internet, including Wikipedia, putting it down as 1976. People who weren't born/sentient beings at the time should probably get cut a bit of slack, whether they be Tories or Karl Marx or whoever. People of whatever age who claim to be Villa fans and don't know about the European Cup are missing out on a ripping yarn if nothing else.
I do find it weird. Calling people c**ts because they have a different point of view, followed their convictions and led a political party in a democracy isn't what I think is acceptable. Why is insulting derogatory language OK ? If you went into a hospital, school, shop or office and used that language you would be rightly thrown out or arrested.
And by the way I think he was foolish not to give an on the spot correction or apology, it reinforces a view that its all a false put-on. But I wouldn't call him a c**t for it.
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He's a Scunthorpe supporter, he's putting the etc....
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How long does it take for reality to change ideology. Living in the past or moving on with the ever changing world.
Neither Labour or Tories are the same as they were 40 years ago or more, however much the media try to present them.
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I think Amfy has it spot on. He isn't a football supporter but as his uncle (?) William Dugdale was our chairman in the 70s if he had to choose a team it would be us.
I find the whole spectacle of politicians specifically, and celebs generally, professing to love a team really irritating.
Out of interest, do they do this with rugby or cricket?
Yes, Amfy has the the size and shape of it, or the crux as we say in the old country.
A professed allegiance to a rugby union or cricket club would not achieve much in the common people credibility stakes. Maybe DC should smoke some fags and play some pool and pretend he never went to school.
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I bet there are plenty who go to a shed load of games every year who wouldn't have a clue who Rinder, Athersmith, Devey etc are.
There are plenty who go to a shed load of games who don't have a clue as to why they are there but they don't talk about it on national media.
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I bet there are plenty who go to a shed load of games every year who wouldn't have a clue who Rinder, Athersmith, Devey etc are.
There are plenty who go to a shed load of games who don't have a clue as to why they are there but they don't talk about it on national media.
Because they aren't asked.
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He's a Scunthorpe supporter, he's putting the etc....
Certainly stealing that one.
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th in the?
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It was a sort of roll your eyes moment when it came on the news he'd said this.
In fairness I can't be bothered to watch the video but in terms of reading the quote I just assumed because he was in London talking to a group he just said support a London team and West Ham was mentioned although it maybe appears not.
I doubt anyone on here is under the impression he's some dyed in the wool Villa fan, same for a few of our other "celebrity" fans, some we're rather not be associated with and others I think are quite cool like Tom Hanks but again he's someone who vaguely supports the club for various reasons.
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Shouldn't words like c*** be reserved for murderers, rapists and pedophiles? As opposed to the leader of the Conservative party. Doesn't make him the anti Christ. He just holds a different view politically to most of us. And he supports Villa. I don't see what the issue is with that either. I'm sure we have loads of fans with varying views on just about everything. As long as those views aren't illegal, then jump on board and they can all enjoy the ride.
No, he's a ******.
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To be fair, politics does go further than someone having a different opinion to you when they are the actual prime minister, and have the power to put those opinions into practice.
The fields I have worked in are homelessness, offending, addictions, and child protection, and from what I see on the ground on a daily basis as a result of his government's policies, I think he's a c@@@.
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To be fair to Toronto Villa, a politician forgetting which football team he allegedly supports is pretty tame compared to what the politicians in his adopted home get up to.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24858923
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To be fair, politics does go further than someone having a different opinion to you when they are the actual prime minister, and have the power to put those opinions into practice.
The fields I have worked in are homelessness, offending, addictions, and child protection, and from what I see on the ground on a daily basis as a result of his government's policies, I think he's a c@@@.
Exactly.
I struggle to think of many roles in society which present more options to be a "c***" with devastating effects than being the actual Prime Minister.
It works on both sides, too. Contrast the much-loved, fresh faced well-meaning Tony Blair of the first few years following 1997 with the lying c*** who got us involved in a war on totally false pretences, and the impact that has had on so many lives since then.
I wonder how many of the Italian coastguard currently fishing dead bodies out of the sea around Sicily would disagree that politicians can be absolute c***s too, when they reflect on the sequence of events (the political destabilisation of the middle east) that has led them to end up having to do that.
Thatcher had pretty much no impact on my life, I'm very lucky, but I can understand why many people might feel her to be a c*** as their families felt the brunt of her policies.
I'm rambling, but surely politicians can be the biggest c***s of the lot?
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To be fair to Toronto Villa, a politician forgetting which football team he allegedly supports is pretty tame compared to what the politicians in his adopted home get up to.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24858923
Ha ha, I was thinking of him too earlier in the thread. I bet he doesn't know what day it is or his own name, let alone if he supports Weston Super Villa or some other oik team.
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Other Villa supporting politicians:
Jaqui Smith, Home secretary, season ticket holder, husband downloads jazz films at the taxpayers' expense.
Lord Taylor of Warwick, first black Tory peer, banged up for fiddling his expenses.
Iain Duncan Smith, supports Villa and Spurs (?!?).
Floella (Baroness) Benjamin, Lib Dem Peer.
Jim Hacker, fictional former PM.
edit - nearly forgot Lord Howell. Any others?
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Who did the Chamberlains support?
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Other Villa supporting politicians:
Jaqui Smith, Home secretary, season ticket holder, husband downloads jazz films at the taxpayers' expense.
Lord Taylor of Warwick, first black Tory peer, banged up for fiddling his expenses.
Iain Duncan Smith, supports Villa and Spurs (?!?).
Floella (Baroness) Benjamin, Lib Dem Peer.
Jim Hacker, fictional former PM.
edit - nearly forgot Lord Howell. Any others?
Lord King of Lothbury. Mervyn to you and I.
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Who did the Chamberlains support?
Neville probably supported all three teams.
Anything for a bit of peace and quiet.
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Who did the Chamberlains support?
Neville probably supported all three teams.
Anything for a bit of peace and quiet.
The pussy
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I'd like to claim that Enoch Powell was a nose but he was a very clever man so it seems unlikely. "Obviously I couldn't make the match today Tom. I was making an inflammatory speech about immigration."
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I'd like to claim that Enoch Powell was a nose but he was a very clever man so it seems unlikely. "Obviously I couldn't make the match today Tom. I was making an inflammatory speech about immigration."
He was also a noted Greek scholar, so he might have showboated a bit and said:
"Προφανώς δεν θα μπορούσε να κάνει τον αγώνα σήμερα Τοm . Είχα κάνει μια φλεγμονώδη λόγου για τη λαθρομετανάστευση . Ή για ψώνια στο Touchwood"
no idea what ancient greek looks like, so modern it is.
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To be fair to Toronto Villa, a politician forgetting which football team he allegedly supports is pretty tame compared to what the politicians in his adopted home get up to.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24858923
see even then I wouldn't call him a ******. But he is amongst the biggest morons ever to grace the planet of that there is no doubt whatsoever.
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I'd like to claim that Enoch Powell was a nose but he was a very clever man so it seems unlikely. "Obviously I couldn't make the match today Tom. I was making an inflammatory speech about immigration."
He was also a noted Greek scholar, so he might have showboated a bit and said:
"Προφανώς δεν θα μπορούσε να κάνει τον αγώνα σήμερα Τοm . Είχα κάνει μια φλεγμονώδη λόγου για τη λαθρομετανάστευση . Ή για ψώνια στο Touchwood"
no idea what ancient greek looks like, so modern it is.
That's worth a bronze hat. (Do you see what I did there?)
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Ha ha, very good.
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Other Villa supporting politicians:
Jaqui Smith, Home secretary, season ticket holder, husband downloads jazz films at the taxpayers' expense.
Lord Taylor of Warwick, first black Tory peer, banged up for fiddling his expenses.
Iain Duncan Smith, supports Villa and Spurs (?!?).
Floella (Baroness) Benjamin, Lib Dem Peer.
Jim Hacker, fictional former PM.
edit - nearly forgot Lord Howell. Any others?
Didn't Jim Hacker support the clearly Villa-based "Aston Wanderers"?
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Other Villa supporting politicians:
Jaqui Smith, Home secretary, season ticket holder, husband downloads jazz films at the taxpayers' expense.
Lord Taylor of Warwick, first black Tory peer, banged up for fiddling his expenses.
Iain Duncan Smith, supports Villa and Spurs (?!?).
Floella (Baroness) Benjamin, Lib Dem Peer.
Jim Hacker, fictional former PM.
edit - nearly forgot Lord Howell. Any others?
Didn't Jim Hacker support the clearly Villa-based "Aston Wanderers"?
I could imagine Cameron saying that
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I remember David Willetts (who is from Birmingham) talking about him being a Villa fan when he was a kid. So there's another politician.
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Torygraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11566133/Why-football-can-be-a-dangerous-game-for-politicians.html)
Why football can be a dangerous game for politicians
David Cameron forgetting which team he supports shows how the merest mention of football can lead to an own-goal for politicians, says Bill Borrows
By Bill Borrows
4:01PM BST 27 Apr 2015
"Many of those who have spoken in the debate or have written about the subject are either lawyers or football fans," the Conservative member for the West Oxfordshire constituency of Witney vouchsafed in the House of Commons in 2001. "But I have to confess that I am neither."
David Cameron, of course, subsequently became both Prime Minister and, for reasons that must escape even the most brilliant psephologist, a passionate Aston Villa fan. In fact, in February this year, in the run up to a general election, he even found time to reflect upon the appointment of Villa manager Tim Sherwood.
"He’s a very good guy," he reckoned. "And will make a big difference." Without stopping there, he proceeded to cover several other bases with the admission that one of his sisters was an Arsenal fan and his son, Arthur, predictably enough, was a Chelsea fan. Clearly advised that he needed to add another team to his roster, three days ago in a speech about multiculturalism he declared, "You can support Man Utd, the Windies and Team GB all at the same time. Of course, I'd rather you supported West Ham." Same colours at least, but the business of nailing them to the political mast has never been an easy business for the Conservative Party.
A subordinate of Winston Churchill who declared an intention to become a footballer was advised by the then Prime Minister that it was not a "suitable occupation", and so the uncomfortable relationship between the party and the “People's Game” continued until it found it’s apogee in the administration of Margaret Thatcher, who actively sought to alienate football fans via the ultimately unsuccessful introduction of compulsory ID cards.
John Major, her working-class successor, saw at first-hand how well that played out and knew enough to up his Chelsea-supporting credentials. The over-ambitious David Mellor did the same thing, although less intentionally.
Compare and contrast with the Labour Party, the self-styled “People's Party”. Clement Atlee may have played for Fleet Town but Harold Wilson - a Huddersfield Town fan and a man in-tune with his times - was always keenly aware of the importance of football in the national psyche. The fact that he rode into power on a surge of euphoria created by England’s World Cup win in 1966 might be a myth but defeat at the polls four years later, after the national team’s capitulation to West Germany in the week of the election, gave pause for thought. Future foreign secretary Tony Crosland (Grimsby Town) blamed the defeat, amongst other things, "[On] the disgruntled Match of the Day millions."
As Mrs Thatcher discovered to her cost, the word ‘football’ in the phrase ‘political football’ is almost as important as the other.
It was not a lesson lost on Tony Blair, the personification of the slippery appeal-to-all politician but adroitly advised by genuine football fan and spinmaster general Alistair Campbell (Burnley). As is traditional, Blair stuck with just one team, Newcastle United, and even played head tennis with Kevin Keegan, the then manager. The fact that the club just happened to play their home games less than 30 miles away from his constituency of Sedgefield can surely be considered to be just one more example of outrageous fortune in the life and political career of Labour’s three-time election winner. Yeah, right. And he knows the name of the current Newcastle manager. Although to be fair, there are season ticket holders at St James’ Park who aren’t sure.
Of course there is a place for opportunism in politics and football is as good a place to get a fix as any. The irony for Gordon Brown, as star-crossed as Blair was blessed, is that he is a genuine and loyal supporter of Raith Rovers, but no amount of photo-calls at Stark’s Park in Kirkaldy were going to get the picture editors on Fleet Street agitated unless he happened to slip on his backside. This is sad because his decision not to hide his support, even for a losing cause, indicates a certain loyalty that the flip-flapping of Cameron and the too-slick, well-managed posturing of Blair do not.
So what of the other election hopefuls? Ed Miliband, who should know (or have been advised) better, once told the Labour Uncut website, "If I’m completely honest I’m a lapsed Leeds United fan. I partly lapsed because I live in Doncaster as an MP, so I have some loyalty to them, and also because we’ve had a pretty dreadful 20 years."
A double admission therefore: Support for a club still widely regarded as ‘Dirty Leeds’ and a predilection for deserting losing causes. There’s ‘completely honest’ and, frankly, stupid.
At least Nick Clegg, born in Chalfont St Giles and the son of a banker, is bang on trend with his under-the-radar support for Arsenal. Seemingly unable to choose between the charms of the two hapless sides in his Sheffield Hallam constituency (a trick that seems to have deserted him since 2010 when he climbed off the fence to go blue rather than red), he declared himself ‘heart-broken’ after Arsenal’s exit to Bayern Munich in the Champions League in 2013. "I know what it’s like to lead a team through ups and downs," he said. Like Arsenal, he's now going to have to get used to finishing fourth.
Of the minority parties, there is a distinct refusal to play the football card – that probably explains why they are minority parties. Natalie Bennett of the Green Party is not on the record as supporting any team but as an Australian she should perhaps be excused (she could of course have forgotten that we play football in this country). Similarly, Leanne Wood of Plaid Cymru seems never to have heard of the game but then she grew up in the Valleys and the rules of the round-ball game don’t really apply in Wales and, considering that it would have to be a Welsh team, there’s not really a whole lot to go at.
There is a picture of the Scottish Nationalist Nicola Sturgeon having a ‘kickabout’ at Greenock Morton’s ground somewhere but she seems uncomfortable and, a surefire vote winner this one, she is currently opposed to removing the ban on alcohol in football grounds in Scotland.
So that leaves us with Nigel Farage who, surprisingly for a wannabe “Man of the People”, claims no other allegiance than a mild one for Crystal Palace where his son has a season ticket. You might be excused for thinking that Millwall would be his natural habitat, or perhaps Hamburg, the birthplace of his wife, but no, cricket is his thing. That move may be either very dumb or very sma
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Just heard...Prince William is Burnley fan.
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Just heard...Prince William is Burnley fan.
Isnt that Prince Charles?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2101443/Prince-Charles-admits-Burnley-FC-Fan.html
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To be fair, politics does go further than someone having a different opinion to you when they are the actual prime minister, and have the power to put those opinions into practice.
The fields I have worked in are homelessness, offending, addictions, and child protection, and from what I see on the ground on a daily basis as a result of his government's policies, I think he's a c@@@.
Exactly.
I struggle to think of many roles in society which present more options to be a "c***" with devastating effects than being the actual Prime Minister.
It works on both sides, too. Contrast the much-loved, fresh faced well-meaning Tony Blair of the first few years following 1997 with the lying c*** who got us involved in a war on totally false pretences, and the impact that has had on so many lives since then.
I wonder how many of the Italian coastguard currently fishing dead bodies out of the sea around Sicily would disagree that politicians can be absolute c***s too, when they reflect on the sequence of events (the political destabilisation of the middle east) that has led them to end up having to do that.
Thatcher had pretty much no impact on my life, I'm very lucky, but I can understand why many people might feel her to be a c*** as their families felt the brunt of her policies.
I'm rambling, but surely politicians can be the biggest c***s of the lot?
Ok, by weight of votes, I give up my position and join the 'call'em a c***' mob
My vote for biggest c*** and m*****f***** c*** of all time are Lord Janner and his cover-up mate Keith Vaz.
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Shouldn't words like c*** be reserved for murderers, rapists and pedophiles? As opposed to the leader of the Conservative party. Doesn't make him the anti Christ. He just holds a different view politically to most of us. And he supports Villa. I don't see what the issue is with that either. I'm sure we have loads of fans with varying views on just about everything. As long as those views aren't illegal, then jump on board and they can all enjoy the ride.
Fair enough, but holding a politically different view is not quite the same as dreaming them up and implementing them as law to the detriment of mainly the poorest people in our society.
And he 'supports' Villa? Really?
We don't want his sort at OUR club.
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To be fair, politics does go further than someone having a different opinion to you when they are the actual prime minister, and have the power to put those opinions into practice.
The fields I have worked in are homelessness, offending, addictions, and child protection, and from what I see on the ground on a daily basis as a result of his government's policies, I think he's a c@@@.
Exactly.
I struggle to think of many roles in society which present more options to be a "c***" with devastating effects than being the actual Prime Minister.
It works on both sides, too. Contrast the much-loved, fresh faced well-meaning Tony Blair of the first few years following 1997 with the lying c*** who got us involved in a war on totally false pretences, and the impact that has had on so many lives since then.
I wonder how many of the Italian coastguard currently fishing dead bodies out of the sea around Sicily would disagree that politicians can be absolute c***s too, when they reflect on the sequence of events (the political destabilisation of the middle east) that has led them to end up having to do that.
Thatcher had pretty much no impact on my life, I'm very lucky, but I can understand why many people might feel her to be a c*** as their families felt the brunt of her policies.
I'm rambling, but surely politicians can be the biggest c***s of the lot?
Ok, by weight of votes, I give up my position and join the 'call'em a c***' mob
My vote for biggest c*** and m*****f***** c*** of all time are Lord Janner and his cover-up mate Keith Vaz.
Ahhh we've gone to the wondrous m***** f***** c*** level. Now where to start ...
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According to the latest edition (340) of WSC in an article titled Vote winner, "He (Cameron) admitted having not attended Villa Park for several years, although his uncle was chairman when they won the European Cup".
Is that right, or was it Ron Bendall?
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According to the latest edition (340) of WSC in an article titled Vote winner, "He (Cameron) admitted having not attended Villa Park for several years, although his uncle was chairman when they won the European Cup".
Is that right, or was it Ron Bendall?
It was Bendall.
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I think he intended to say President but he often says contradictory things and gets away with it.
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According to the latest edition (340) of WSC in an article titled Vote winner, "He (Cameron) admitted having not attended Villa Park for several years, although his uncle was chairman when they won the European Cup".
Is that right, or was it Ron Bendall?
It was Bendall.
I thought so. He probably looked on Wikipedia - which also gives the wrong information.
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According to the latest edition (340) of WSC in an article titled Vote winner, "He (Cameron) admitted having not attended Villa Park for several years, although his uncle was chairman when they won the European Cup".
Is that right, or was it Ron Bendall?
It was Bendall.
Most definitely. At some point on the TV footage he is very visible as the cup is in the arms of Dennis Mortimer.
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Other Villa supporting politicians:
Jaqui Smith, Home secretary, season ticket holder, husband downloads jazz films at the taxpayers' expense.
Lord Taylor of Warwick, first black Tory peer, banged up for fiddling his expenses.
Iain Duncan Smith, supports Villa and Spurs (?!?).
Floella (Baroness) Benjamin, Lib Dem Peer.
Jim Hacker, fictional former PM.
edit - nearly forgot Lord Howell. Any others?
Cameron I can just about take, as he does have a familial link with us; but Ian Duncan Smith can fuck right off!
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Other Villa supporting politicians:
Jaqui Smith, Home secretary, season ticket holder, husband downloads jazz films at the taxpayers' expense.
Lord Taylor of Warwick, first black Tory peer, banged up for fiddling his expenses.
Iain Duncan Smith, supports Villa and Spurs (?!?).
Floella (Baroness) Benjamin, Lib Dem Peer.
Jim Hacker, fictional former PM.
edit - nearly forgot Lord Howell. Any others?
Didn't Jim Hacker support the clearly Villa-based "Aston Wanderers"?
No.
In the first episode the Civil Servants attempt to hide relevant info from him by giving him about fifty red boxes to take home over the weekend.
He says "but I can't read all these, Villa are playing Liverpool!". He doesn't specify that he's a Villa fan but, as he is supposed to be MP for Aston, it's implied I think.
"Aston Wanderers" appear in a later episode.
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in the interests of balance Jacqui Smith was very lucky not to have been prosecuted for her expenses fiddles which happened on a truly industrial scale - her hubby buying porn and charging it to the taxpayer was the very least of her misdemeanours. I also met Dave during the election campaign, and I have to say he looked very good for a man of nearly 49. That's all I'm saying.
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Well, now the election's over 'Dave' can revert to true-blue without the confusion or pretense of claret in his soul.
Oh, also Dave, that nice Mr Murdoch ("Sun"/"Times",non-UK taxpayer, non-voter, phonehacker of dead schoolgirls and soldiers) and Lord Rothermere ("Mail", non-dom, no UK tax) and the Barclay brothers ("Telegraph", Channel Isles, no UK tax) and we mustn't forget the esteemed Richard Desmond ("Express"/"Star", Readers' Wives" "Asian babes"etc) would like you to thank them. They did say say that you and George can take off your high-vis jackets and hard hats, put them back in the dressing-up box, and go back to being multi-millionaire toffs for the next five years and stop patronising real working men and women. Real working men and women who don't have the luxury of pretense and fantasy (re: 'support' of some clarety-blue team or be pretend 'workers'), but will have to face the reality of your bankers', food-banks' and landlords' party. Happy days!
Oh and finally, Ed and his 'tablet of stone' (does no one in the Labour Party read Shelley anymore?) may have had the charisma of a deflated balloon, but Dave you have the charisma of the skin on top of cold rice pudding, while your mate, George, has a smirk so oily, with a little bit of heat you could fry an egg on it. Do something about it, chaps!
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I try to refrain from bad language of late, BUT.
just like to state my case, as far as anything blue and right wing.
I for one was never taken in by that greasy haired snivelling fascist ****** Cameron, he can fuck of down south and nob it with the other fascists.
five more years of austerity and laughing at us on the TV, telling us how bad it would be with Labour.
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I have to say he looked very good for a man of nearly 49. That's all I'm saying.
Did something happen?
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I thought that would draw some vituperative, shroud waving comments - and before anyone asks, I am not a conservative. I went to an event Dave was at, because someone I know is in the party, and the person they were due to go with, couldn't make it. He was asked by several people near me who he actually supported and at least gave the right name. It's always interesting seeing people you normally only see on TV up close, in much the same way that it was interesting to be standing in a very long line of people waiting to see Bob Dylan at Sterling Castle in 2001 only for the man himself to saunter down the line happy to chat and sign autographs.
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Think I'll be physically sick if he's at Wembley for the final.
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for goodness sake don't do that! Pointless fixating on Dave - just get behind the Villa Boys!
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Think I'll be physically sick if he's at Wembley for the final.
I hope your Regan MacNeil impression is up to scratch if you want to hit him from the "cheap" seats.
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isn't it strange "dave" tries to show his in touch "with the common man" by stating he is a fan of some or other football team and others bounty on about rubbing shoulders with "dave"