Cameron Betrays Us

[Richard E]

What do all the socialists on here think of Lord Janner ? Does he qualify as a c**t as well or not because he isn't a Tory ?

By the way I really think its sad that in our society having a different political view qualifies you to be abused like this. Would you say that to someone's face ?

I think Lord Janner is innocent until it is actually proven otherwise in a court of law, same as everyone else in this country is, be they Labour, Tory or apolitical.

[Toronto Villa]

What do all the socialists on here think of Lord Janner ? Does he qualify as a c**t as well or not because he isn't a Tory ?

By the way I really think its sad that in our society having a different political view qualifies you to be abused like this. Would you say that to someone's face ?

I agree with that. I have never voted Tory and I find many of their views totally against things I believe, but I would never use some of the language that I've seen on here because I disagreed with an opponents political view. We're not dealing with the absolute scum of the world.

[Diablo]

Surely no true Villa fan will vote for the Tories now?

No football fan should ever vote Tory.

Love Villa Hate Cameron.

That's my next tattoo.

Hahaha! Superb! Please don't forget to post us a photo on here.

[TopDeck113]

What do all the socialists on here think of Lord Janner ? Does he qualify as a c**t as well or not because he isn't a Tory ?

By the way I really think its sad that in our society having a different political view qualifies you to be abused like this. Would you say that to someone's face ?

I don't care if someone's politics exactly mirror mine if they are an actual or alleged paedophile.  For that they are beneath contempt.

[dave.woodhall]

If you think that's bad, have a read of this...

http://www.charlesbarwell.com/portal/component/content/article/35/85-aston-villa-former-players-association-golf-day

Maybe it's a Tory thing.

Must've missed your point Dave. Are you saying you shouldn't support Villa if you're a conservative (I'm not, by the way). Or, is it that Tories as villa fans are not as good as non-Tory supporters. Yes these people are twats, but if they have a connection or a genuine affection for the club then who is anybody else to judge them as a supporter. Big if, I know, the cynic in me questions their genuine support - ie are they just saying it for popularity or to try and claim some non-existent connection with most people who love football. Maybe they do, maybe they don't - but if you're a genuine villa fan, that is not to say necessarily someone who goes home and away every week, but supports the club, then isnt that enough to not have to have everyone having a pop at you?

Did you miss the bit about Chris Nicholl scoring four goals in the League Cup final against Leicester, the fourth from forty yards?

yes I did. He didn't say it was the final though. People get their facts wrong from time to time - big deal.

Actually it is a big deal when the point of the story is making out that he's something he quite clearly isn't.

[robbo1874]

So you know him well then and know categorically he's not a Villa fan?

[aj2k77]

I'm sure Chris Nicholls 50 yard netbuster didn't go in the top right corner either.... didn't it dip and go in the bottom left as you look at the goal?

[PeterWithesShin]

I've seen some cracking factual errors from pretty much all of us on here, me included, it happens.

[KRS]

He's probably taken so many back handers over the Olympic Stadium legacy that it's easy to convince himself that he's now a West Ham fan (allegedly).

[PeterWithesShin]

Toronto Villa is clearly a devious troll.

Not a chance anyone could possibly be so spectacularly wrong about something as this.

And we'll have no more of that thank you.

[dave.woodhall]

So you know him well then and know categorically he's not a Villa fan?

Does he sound like a Villa supporter?

[Diablo]

What do all the socialists on here think of Lord Janner ? Does he qualify as a c**t as well or not because he isn't a Tory ?

By the way I really think its sad that in our society having a different political view qualifies you to be abused like this. Would you say that to someone's face ?

I agree with that. I have never voted Tory and I find many of their views totally against things I believe, but I would never use some of the language that I've seen on here because I disagreed with an opponents political view. We're not dealing with the absolute scum of the world.

Hey TV. I think you've just hit the nail on the head. Some people on here are of the opinion that we are talking about absolute scum (for reasons such as targeting the most vulnerable in our society, being a professional liar, dismantling the NHS). Politics provokes a strong reaction (what do they say? Don't talk about Politics, Religion or Money?). You are just of the opinion that Cameron isn't absolute scum whilst some other people feel he is. I don't think you are going to change anyone's mind if they think Cameron is a C**t or refer to him as that. Calling him that just shows the depth of feeling some people have for him and what he represents. I'm a bit surprised that you seem surprised by people's reaction/feelings towards him but none of the comments or swearing are aimed at you.

[cdbearsfan]

What do all the socialists on here think of Lord Janner ? Does he qualify as a c**t as well or not because he isn't a Tory ?

By the way I really think its sad that in our society having a different political view qualifies you to be abused like this. Would you say that to someone's face ?

I don't care if someone's politics exactly mirror mine if they are an actual or alleged paedophile.  For that they are beneath contempt.

Would an alleged paedophile still be beneath contempt if s/he was, subsequently, proven to be innocent?

[amfy]

He's a Villa fan on the level that if someone asks him who he supports he'd say Villa.

My brother is on this level and he knows we're in a cup final, and that we won the European Cup but couldn't tell you when. Oddly - my brother could tell you when we last won the FA Cup because it was the answer to the code question for who we could answer the door to when we were home alone as kids. My brother would remember Brian Little & Andy Gray. He hates football, but was brought up in a Villa family so it's stayed with him, and he knows some random stuff. It think this is the catagory Cameron is in.

The problem arises for Cameron in that he has been advised to play this up because it makes him look more 'ordinary bloke' like, & it it has backfired spectacularly, in that his heart isn't in it enough to spot that his team is wrong in a speech that was written for him, not quick thinking enough to amend it, or even to realise it is significant to 'ordinary blokes' and read up a bit so he doesn't still look like a dick hours later. Politically, it s a problem because it makes him look a bit like someone who can't tell his own beliefs from those which have been written down for him.

[john e]

He is a Villa fan, we all know that he's said so unscripted in the past,
He might not be as good a fan as U.S. and that was obvously a mistake but he had his reasons for choosing Villa,
We can't all be the perfect supporters