Cameron Betrays Us

[silhillvilla]

Oh dear.

[Dante Lavelli]

I thought Lineker introducing West Ham on MOTD was quite funny.

[OzVilla]

I wont do a quote-a-thon but in reply to Brian's post.

The NHS is a British institution that always has been/is/should always be off limits for any political party to dismantle. It is not the right of any political party to claim or infer ownership of it. This includes the Labour Party.

It is the people's NHS as proved by its involvement in the opening ceremony of the London Olympics.

I get a little pissed off when it's implied that because you no longer live in Britain you no longer have a say, or that your opinions are in some way invalid. Maybe some of of us still have Business interests, family, visit regularly etc.  Maybe some of us can actually stand back away from the party politics and tribalism that so many get swept up in at election time and still have an informed opinion.

100% agree on the Brady paragraph.

[Godfrey Brian]

Surely to betray someone or thing it has to matter to you in the first place? His Villa links are just a chance convenience to him so of course he's going to stumble sometimes because it's not part of his being as it is with most supporters. I'm quite happy for him to  sod off and pick another team maybe nearer his constituency -Oxford maybe? Bet he'll have a better memory when he's easing himself into his royal box seat on 30 May .

[lordmcgrath5]

Twat.

[lordmcgrath5]

I thought Lineker introducing West Ham on MOTD was quite funny.

Yeah, that was good.

[OzVilla]

I agree that his support was based on a querky family connection years ago and fuck all else since.

But you'd have thought that knowing the way the media worked he'd have anticipated the questions, brushed up on his Villa 'basics' and put together a better defence than that feeble showing on Sky. Not even knowing when we won he European Cup and who scored the goal FFS!

[Nev]

I wont do a quote-a-thon but in reply to Brian's post.

The NHS is a British institution that always has been/is/should always be off limits for any political party to dismantle. It is not the right of any political party to claim or infer ownership of it. This includes the Labour Party.

It is the people's NHS as proved by its involvement in the opening ceremony of the London Olympics.

Considering that it was the Labour Party, via Bevan, that introduced the NHS against the backdrop of huge opposition from, primarily, the Tory Party, it is always going to be politicised. It was seen as the introduction of socialism at the time of it's formation and drew howls of protest not only from Tories such as Churchill but also from Doctors via the BMA and, notably, the right wing press.

I say notably because when Danny Boyle included the NHS as part of that opening ceremony at the Olympic Games in 2012, once again the same press decried the whole thing as did Tory MP's such as Aiden Burley.

The NHS can never be anything other than political as the principle at it's very heart depends on an ideology that can only ever be described as left wing.

[Pete3206]

The Villa link was a spin doctor's idea of making the lowest common denominator, identify with a privileged toff.

As such, it's quite a cock up.

[CJ]

This thread, and olaftab's comment about 'Cameron's dead to me now even though I don't like millipede', got a mention in the Independent today!

[OzVilla]

I wont do a quote-a-thon but in reply to Brian's post.

The NHS is a British institution that always has been/is/should always be off limits for any political party to dismantle. It is not the right of any political party to claim or infer ownership of it. This includes the Labour Party.

It is the people's NHS as proved by its involvement in the opening ceremony of the London Olympics.

Considering that it was the Labour Party, via Bevan, that introduced the NHS against the backdrop of huge opposition from, primarily, the Tory Party, it is always going to be politicised. It was seen as the introduction of socialism at the time of it's formation and drew howls of protest not only from Tories such as Churchill but also from Doctors via the BMA and, notably, the right wing press.

I say notably because when Danny Boyle included the NHS as part of that opening ceremony at the Olympic Games in 2012, once again the same press decried the whole thing as did Tory MP's such as Aiden Burley.

The NHS can never be anything other than political as the principle at it's very heart depends on an ideology that can only ever be described as left wing.

Im just not sure that really true any more though. Yes I know the origins of the NHS and its inception via Bevan and Atlee. But this institution has been with through Governments of all colours now for some 65 years, survived and flourished. I say this as having family members with a combined total of 40 years NHS service who work in it today at the QE.


I agree the whole ideology may have been left wing in 1945 but is wasn't still the case 1955, 1965, 1975, 1985, 1995, 2005 or is it now in 2015. And it won't be in 2025 either I'd imagine.

I'm pleased to say its the things I'm most proud of referring to when visiting relatives in the US. That and the Ryder Cup.....

[dave.woodhall]

If you think that's bad, have a read of this...

http://www.charlesbarwell.com/portal/component/content/article/35/85-aston-villa-former-players-association-golf-day

Maybe it's a Tory thing.

Must've missed your point Dave. Are you saying you shouldn't support Villa if you're a conservative (I'm not, by the way). Or, is it that Tories as villa fans are not as good as non-Tory supporters. Yes these people are twats, but if they have a connection or a genuine affection for the club then who is anybody else to judge them as a supporter. Big if, I know, the cynic in me questions their genuine support - ie are they just saying it for popularity or to try and claim some non-existent connection with most people who love football. Maybe they do, maybe they don't - but if you're a genuine villa fan, that is not to say necessarily someone who goes home and away every week, but supports the club, then isnt that enough to not have to have everyone having a pop at you?

Did you miss the bit about Chris Nicholl scoring four goals in the League Cup final against Leicester, the fourth from forty yards?

[TopDeck113]

I was going to write something very similar, Nev.  The 1945 Labour Government is, in my mind, the greatest administration in British history for attempting to right centuries of wrongs meted out to the majority of the population of these islands - and the NHS, despite its many imperfections remains the Labour Party's greatest legacy.   

I would also add that whilst Cameron has said very positive things about the NHS with regard to the treatment his late son received, one knows full well that should push come to shove in terms of making deep and brutal cuts through which lobby he would walk.  Why?  Because he always could - and always will - be able to afford the alternative option.

[TopDeck113]

This thread, and olaftab's comment about 'Cameron's dead to me now even though I don't like millipede', got a mention in the Independent today!

Have you got a link?

[PeterWithe]

I've never heard of Davie Gibson, who is he?