ManYoo vs Aston Villa Post Match Thread.

[Monty]

Sherwood's figures at Spurs showed that he is essentially a win-or-lose manager - not hugely into draws, which I suppose is somewhat refreshing at the Villa (do we still hold the Premier League record for games drawn?). That's fine. I've said before, that if you draw all of your matches you get 38 points but if you win half and lose half you get 57, so trying slightly recklessly to win your way out of trouble is fine.

The worry is, as Paulie's said, that they didn't seem to consider anyone else for the job. They went for literally the most prominent name in the media and didn't look at anyone else. It's a level of consideration you'd expect from a casual fan who gets most of their sport news from 5Live news bulletins. I can only hope they were blustering in the usual 'we considered no-one else, we've got our man honest' kind of way that execs always do about a new manager.

[SamTheMouse]

re Sherwood's figures not looking too good, I agree, they're pretty awful to be honest, but at least we've started to look like we're playing a bit better under him.

That alone won't be enough, but it's a start at least.

What I do find amazing is Fox's revelation that there was "no shortlist" for the appointment, other than a piece of paper with Sherwood's name on it.

If that's true, then they're absolutely fucking nuts and god help us.

It does seem to support the theory that they're just making it up as they go along.

[silhillvilla]

Sherwood and fox were photo'd at villa games together in December.

[brian green]

Of course they are making it up as they go along.   Planning for them is something you do for a holiday or a wedding reception.

[Steve R]

There's no real comparison between 'competitive' games today and those of decades ago.

Taking Greaves' career span as an example, England did not appear in Euro finals until 1968 (two games played, the home internationals used as qualifiers). They played the sum total of 2 games in getting knocked out in qualifying for 1964, the first year of entry.

As hosts and then winners of the World Cup in 1966 the only qualifying games played (4) were in 1960/61. It took only 6 games in total  to win the '66 tournament, which is about one third of the way towards winning Euro 2016, and against a very different quality of opposition.

Charlton and Lineker scored bigger goals against better opposition in bigger games that Rooney is ever likely to take part in. They are both top end twats, but that is the only thing in which Rooney surpasses them.

[tomd2103]

There's no real comparison between 'competitive' games today and those of decades ago.

Taking Greaves' career span as an example, England did not appear in Euro finals until 1968 (two games played, the home internationals used as qualifiers). They played the sum total of 2 games in getting knocked out in qualifying for 1964, the first year of entry.

As hosts and then winners of the World Cup in 1966 the only qualifying games played (4) were in 1960/61. It took only 6 games in total  to win the '66 tournament, which is about one third of the way towards winning Euro 2016, and against a very different quality of opposition.

Charlton and Lineker scored bigger goals against better opposition in bigger games that Rooney is ever likely to take part in. They are both top end twats, but that is the only thing in which Rooney surpasses them.

Like the last sentence!  Do international scoring records mean that much anyway?  If they do then Robbie Keane must be better that any of them as he's scored 65 international goals playing mostly in a weaker side.

[dave.woodhall]

You are absolutely correct Sil.  Villa Park has been run like the Kremlin for five years or more. Now we need a period of silence and focus on helping the new manager save us there are leaks gushing out of B6 which do serious damage to frail morale.

It's not leaks, it's unattributed gossip. As Clampy said, you don't give such trivia the credibility of a response.

[Toronto Villa]

What has to be driving him nuts is the stat where we appear to give up goals late in each half. While scoring late has helped vs West Brom, has literally really hurt us in a number of others. Either killing us of in games or chnaging the momentum entirely in others.

[brian green]

Leaks. Gossip.   The media treat it all the same.   It's politics I know but the principle is the same.   The Torygraph prints an account of what was minuted at a meeting between Nicola Sturgeon and the French ambassador to the EU.  Both say it is a pack of lies the Torygraph says it is true.   The same newspaper prints reports about Villa.   Gossip? Leaks?  The only thing I care about is that it is destabilizing.

[dave.woodhall]

Leaks. Gossip.   The media treat it all the same.   It's politics I know but the principle is the same.   The Torygraph prints an account of what was minuted at a meeting between Nicola Sturgeon and the French ambassador to the EU.  Both say it is a pack of lies the Torygraph says it is true.   The same newspaper prints reports about Villa.   Gossip? Leaks?  The only thing I care about is that it is destabilizing.

Only if you take any notice of it, and I'd be far more worried if the club did.

[brian green]

That I take no notice of it is neither here nor there.    Football players are simple souls and believe what they read in the press.   I admire your sanguineness towards the running of the club.   I wish I could share it. 

[dave.woodhall]

That I take no notice of it is neither here nor there.    Football players are simple souls and believe what they read in the press.   I admire your sanguineness towards the running of the club.   I wish I could share it. 

Please don't patronise. You're talking about Premier League footballers here - the most gossiped-about people in the country. They are not going to take a blind bit of notice about a rumour written in a newspaper. If they did they'd be similarly affected every day of their  lives.

[brian green]

Are you accusing me of patronizing you?   Or are you accusing me of patronizing professional footballers?  My opinion is that football players are often very immature and very stupid.   I am also of the view that you are very much closer to the club than I am and that must support your viewpoint.   I on the other hand can hold a less favourable opinion of what has happened at Villa Park in the last five years, and I do.

[dave.woodhall]

Are you accusing me of patronizing you?   Or are you accusing me of patronizing professional footballers?  My opinion is that football players are often very immature and very stupid.   I am also of the view that you are very much closer to the club than I am and that must support your viewpoint.   I on the other hand can hold a less favourable opinion of what has happened at Villa Park in the last five years, and I do.

So now you're not only patronising me, you're also going down the tried and tested route of anyone I happen to disagree with of accusing me of being paid off/sold out/in the pocket of whoever because my opinion is that professional footballers don't take much notice of unattributed stories about takeovers, the like of which have been written for the past twelve months without any truth to them. You can say and do what you like, you can have all the different opinions you want. I don't care but neither do I intend to insult either your integrity or your intelligence.

[amfy]

You seem to be assuming that because you haven't been told what's going on, that neither have the manager or the players.

I think it's likely that they know a bit more than you & I.