Quote from: Dave on April 04, 2015, 06:30:40 PMQuote from: tomd2103 on April 04, 2015, 06:17:55 PMQuote from: brontebilly on April 04, 2015, 06:05:03 PMQuote from: supertom on April 04, 2015, 05:25:47 PMQuote from: devilla on April 04, 2015, 05:17:08 PMWhat really pisses me off about shrek is not just that he scores against us and is generally an annoying little shit. It's that he's lauded as some world class player but has never shown that against world class opposition when playing for England.Watching him score a goal like he did today really gets on my nerves as a (former) England fan. I've given up watching those toss=bags in the qualifiers now and end up, like many, watching the major tournaments out of abject curiosity. Then like clockwork, these players always lauded as world class suddenly look decidedly ordinary. Rooney is a fucking charlatan. Ask Utd fans if they can remember the last big CL game where Rooney really turned up. I'm no Steven Gerrard fan and he's been shit for England too, but at least when his career is all said and done he can look back at that CL final and remember a game where he lived up to his reputation as being one of the best midfielders of his generation. He delivered. Rooney has not. It's all well and good him getting yet another goal against a tin pot piece of shite side as Villa normally are when they step onto a pitch against Utd, but I'd like to see him doing it when it matters in an England shirt. Look at the Euros and there's not one side that England should be quaking in their boots at. But what will happen next year? If we're lucky we'll shuffle unconvincingly to the last 16 and then get knocked out at the first reasonable side we play against and that pug ugly piss kidney will no doubt bemoan the fans lack of passion.Dont rate his big game temperament but Rooney has 47 international goals and is by a long way the best player in the England squad. His goal today was outstanding to be fair. Probably should have worked harder at his game and fitness over the last few years but England have pretty average players by top European standards in their first team. Rooney isnt one of them.Not so sure about that. Would like to see the breakdown of his goals for England in terms of who they have come against. Why is that going to be different to any other England striker?Shearer, Greaves, Charlton and Lineker didn't score all of theirs against Germany, Italy and Brazil.England goals in competitive matches27 - Wayne Rooney 26 - Michael Owen 22 - Gary Lineker 21 - Alan Shearer 19 - Frank Lampard 15 - Steven Gerrard 14 - Bobby Charlton 14 - Bryan Robson 13 - Geoff Hurst 13 - Kevin Keegan 13 - David Beckham 13 - Jermain Defoe All-time England goalscorers49 - Bobby Charlton 48 - Gary Lineker 44 - Jimmy Greaves 40 - Michael Owen 37 - Wayne Rooney 30 - Tom Finney 30 - Nat Lofthouse 30 - Alan Shearer 29 - Frank Lampard 28 - Steve Bloomer 28 - Vivian Woodward27 - David Platt Undoes the legend that is Jimmy Greaves those stats. There are far more uncompetitive competitive games these days - like the current non-event of qualification for Euro16 and far less 'friendlies' like the home nations competition where Sir Bobby was banging in braces against Wales & Northern ireland every year.
Quote from: tomd2103 on April 04, 2015, 06:17:55 PMQuote from: brontebilly on April 04, 2015, 06:05:03 PMQuote from: supertom on April 04, 2015, 05:25:47 PMQuote from: devilla on April 04, 2015, 05:17:08 PMWhat really pisses me off about shrek is not just that he scores against us and is generally an annoying little shit. It's that he's lauded as some world class player but has never shown that against world class opposition when playing for England.Watching him score a goal like he did today really gets on my nerves as a (former) England fan. I've given up watching those toss=bags in the qualifiers now and end up, like many, watching the major tournaments out of abject curiosity. Then like clockwork, these players always lauded as world class suddenly look decidedly ordinary. Rooney is a fucking charlatan. Ask Utd fans if they can remember the last big CL game where Rooney really turned up. I'm no Steven Gerrard fan and he's been shit for England too, but at least when his career is all said and done he can look back at that CL final and remember a game where he lived up to his reputation as being one of the best midfielders of his generation. He delivered. Rooney has not. It's all well and good him getting yet another goal against a tin pot piece of shite side as Villa normally are when they step onto a pitch against Utd, but I'd like to see him doing it when it matters in an England shirt. Look at the Euros and there's not one side that England should be quaking in their boots at. But what will happen next year? If we're lucky we'll shuffle unconvincingly to the last 16 and then get knocked out at the first reasonable side we play against and that pug ugly piss kidney will no doubt bemoan the fans lack of passion.Dont rate his big game temperament but Rooney has 47 international goals and is by a long way the best player in the England squad. His goal today was outstanding to be fair. Probably should have worked harder at his game and fitness over the last few years but England have pretty average players by top European standards in their first team. Rooney isnt one of them.Not so sure about that. Would like to see the breakdown of his goals for England in terms of who they have come against. Why is that going to be different to any other England striker?Shearer, Greaves, Charlton and Lineker didn't score all of theirs against Germany, Italy and Brazil.
Quote from: brontebilly on April 04, 2015, 06:05:03 PMQuote from: supertom on April 04, 2015, 05:25:47 PMQuote from: devilla on April 04, 2015, 05:17:08 PMWhat really pisses me off about shrek is not just that he scores against us and is generally an annoying little shit. It's that he's lauded as some world class player but has never shown that against world class opposition when playing for England.Watching him score a goal like he did today really gets on my nerves as a (former) England fan. I've given up watching those toss=bags in the qualifiers now and end up, like many, watching the major tournaments out of abject curiosity. Then like clockwork, these players always lauded as world class suddenly look decidedly ordinary. Rooney is a fucking charlatan. Ask Utd fans if they can remember the last big CL game where Rooney really turned up. I'm no Steven Gerrard fan and he's been shit for England too, but at least when his career is all said and done he can look back at that CL final and remember a game where he lived up to his reputation as being one of the best midfielders of his generation. He delivered. Rooney has not. It's all well and good him getting yet another goal against a tin pot piece of shite side as Villa normally are when they step onto a pitch against Utd, but I'd like to see him doing it when it matters in an England shirt. Look at the Euros and there's not one side that England should be quaking in their boots at. But what will happen next year? If we're lucky we'll shuffle unconvincingly to the last 16 and then get knocked out at the first reasonable side we play against and that pug ugly piss kidney will no doubt bemoan the fans lack of passion.Dont rate his big game temperament but Rooney has 47 international goals and is by a long way the best player in the England squad. His goal today was outstanding to be fair. Probably should have worked harder at his game and fitness over the last few years but England have pretty average players by top European standards in their first team. Rooney isnt one of them.Not so sure about that. Would like to see the breakdown of his goals for England in terms of who they have come against.
Quote from: supertom on April 04, 2015, 05:25:47 PMQuote from: devilla on April 04, 2015, 05:17:08 PMWhat really pisses me off about shrek is not just that he scores against us and is generally an annoying little shit. It's that he's lauded as some world class player but has never shown that against world class opposition when playing for England.Watching him score a goal like he did today really gets on my nerves as a (former) England fan. I've given up watching those toss=bags in the qualifiers now and end up, like many, watching the major tournaments out of abject curiosity. Then like clockwork, these players always lauded as world class suddenly look decidedly ordinary. Rooney is a fucking charlatan. Ask Utd fans if they can remember the last big CL game where Rooney really turned up. I'm no Steven Gerrard fan and he's been shit for England too, but at least when his career is all said and done he can look back at that CL final and remember a game where he lived up to his reputation as being one of the best midfielders of his generation. He delivered. Rooney has not. It's all well and good him getting yet another goal against a tin pot piece of shite side as Villa normally are when they step onto a pitch against Utd, but I'd like to see him doing it when it matters in an England shirt. Look at the Euros and there's not one side that England should be quaking in their boots at. But what will happen next year? If we're lucky we'll shuffle unconvincingly to the last 16 and then get knocked out at the first reasonable side we play against and that pug ugly piss kidney will no doubt bemoan the fans lack of passion.Dont rate his big game temperament but Rooney has 47 international goals and is by a long way the best player in the England squad. His goal today was outstanding to be fair. Probably should have worked harder at his game and fitness over the last few years but England have pretty average players by top European standards in their first team. Rooney isnt one of them.
Quote from: devilla on April 04, 2015, 05:17:08 PMWhat really pisses me off about shrek is not just that he scores against us and is generally an annoying little shit. It's that he's lauded as some world class player but has never shown that against world class opposition when playing for England.Watching him score a goal like he did today really gets on my nerves as a (former) England fan. I've given up watching those toss=bags in the qualifiers now and end up, like many, watching the major tournaments out of abject curiosity. Then like clockwork, these players always lauded as world class suddenly look decidedly ordinary. Rooney is a fucking charlatan. Ask Utd fans if they can remember the last big CL game where Rooney really turned up. I'm no Steven Gerrard fan and he's been shit for England too, but at least when his career is all said and done he can look back at that CL final and remember a game where he lived up to his reputation as being one of the best midfielders of his generation. He delivered. Rooney has not. It's all well and good him getting yet another goal against a tin pot piece of shite side as Villa normally are when they step onto a pitch against Utd, but I'd like to see him doing it when it matters in an England shirt. Look at the Euros and there's not one side that England should be quaking in their boots at. But what will happen next year? If we're lucky we'll shuffle unconvincingly to the last 16 and then get knocked out at the first reasonable side we play against and that pug ugly piss kidney will no doubt bemoan the fans lack of passion.
What really pisses me off about shrek is not just that he scores against us and is generally an annoying little shit. It's that he's lauded as some world class player but has never shown that against world class opposition when playing for England.
Rooney scores lots of goals in games which might as well be friendlies, i.e. qualifiers against teams like Lithuania which Bobby Charlton was obviously never going to play.
Quote from: Monty on April 05, 2015, 03:09:30 PMRooney scores lots of goals in games which might as well be friendlies, i.e. qualifiers against teams like Lithuania which Bobby Charlton was obviously never going to play.My point is that, in the past few years, Rooney pretty much only scores against weaker opposition and that is pretty much the case in domestic football as well. He looks so immobile when playing against top class teams and players. Different eras, but I would have Lineker and Shearer above him every time.
Any statistic that shows Rooney is a better goalscorer than Jimmy Greaves is only useful for showing that statistics are often nonsense.
Rooney's a perfectly good player. He gets vitriol for not living up to the hype generated by other people, but he is a very good player.
Just forced myself to watch MOTD and looking at their team and then Shearer showing how they get 4 or 5 players in the box when they attack and how much those 4 or 5 players cost I don't think we can expect much more at the moment. I know we can close down quicker and not constantly give the ball away but we're miles away from them.
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