ManYoo vs Aston Villa Post Match Thread.

[PaulTheVillan]

Gabby was fucking awful today.

Pretty much how he's been for 4 years.

[Rudy65]

Gabby was fucking awful today.

And yet the national media, including radio 5 today talk of him as some influential player

[curiousorange]

What really pisses me off about shrek is not just that he scores against us and is generally an annoying little shit. It's that he's lauded as some world class player but has never shown that against world class opposition when playing for England.

Watching him score a goal like he did today really gets on my nerves as a (former) England fan. I've given up watching those toss=bags in the qualifiers now and end up, like many, watching the major tournaments out of abject curiosity. Then like clockwork, these players always lauded as world class suddenly look decidedly ordinary. Rooney is a fucking charlatan. Ask Utd fans if they can remember the last big CL game where Rooney really turned up.
I'm no Steven Gerrard fan and he's been shit for England too, but at least when his career is all said and done he can look back at that CL final and remember a game where he lived up to his reputation as being one of the best midfielders of his generation. He delivered.

Rooney has not. It's all well and good him getting yet another goal against a tin pot piece of shite side as Villa normally are when they step onto a pitch against Utd, but I'd like to see him doing it when it matters in an England shirt. Look at the Euros and there's not one side that England should be quaking in their boots at. But what will happen next year? If we're lucky we'll shuffle unconvincingly to the last 16 and then get knocked out at the first reasonable side we play against and that pug ugly piss kidney will no doubt bemoan the fans lack of passion.

Dont rate his big game temperament but Rooney has 47 international goals and is by a long way the best player in the England squad. His goal today was outstanding to be fair. Probably should have worked harder at his game and fitness over the last few years but England have pretty average players by top European standards in their first team. Rooney isnt one of them.

Rooney, like the other England strikers, don't seem to have the knack of being in the right place at the right time. They have technique and fitness but it seems like hard work for them to get their goals. Contrast with someone like Muller or Benzema, who seem like they barely break sweat. The attribute is awareness, of course; we have strikers who run all day but don't ever think that a world class defender might anticipate the rather pedestrian run an English striker makes. It's the international equivalent of watching a Weimann or an Agnbonlahor against a half decent defence like Everton's or Swansea's.

[john2710]

Gabby was fucking awful today.

And yet the national media, including radio 5 today talk of him as some influential player

When he plays well, the teams does. The problem is it only happens a few times a season.

[Rudy65]

Bacuna's error that led to the second goal summed us up. No professional footballer at the top level should make a mistake like that.

Definitely the most painful moment of the game for me. He almost deliberately passed it to a lone united player in the middle of the pitch and then Rooney's stroke of luck. Then Delph's late giveaway.. 

Bacuna's error that led to the second goal summed us up. No professional footballer at the top level should make a mistake like that.

Bacuna just isn't good enough at this level.

Disagree. He's still young and very versatile. He still has potential and he's proven he's able to play both sides of the ball.

He is rubbish with a capital R. Always has been, always will be. The occasional free kick masks a very poor player. He is nearly 24 so he is hardly young and unlikely to improve

[brontebilly]

Gabby was fucking awful today.

Weimann was far and away our best attacker today. That unfortunately is pretty telling. Gabby, Zogbia but most of all Benteskey all looked like they couldn't give a toss. They seemed to have half a mind on their summer holiday destination.

Please explain how is any way, shape or form Weimann was our best attacker? I did not see him beat a single defender off the dribble. I saw him turn the ball over at least 5 times. I watched him dribble out of bounds twice. Did he even cross a ball in? Did he have a shot? At least Benteke and Gabby put themselves in position to score.

He used to be my favorite player, now I want him gone.

Set up a really good chance for Benteke, got a yellow out of Roja for the freekick that Okore should have equalised from. Worked hard apart from that. He isnt top division standard but wasnt bad today. At least put a shift in unlike Benteke, Gabby and Nzogbia who were again individually and collectively a disgrace to the shirt today.

Was happy with our central defenders again today. Thought Sanchez in the main had a decent game, Fellaini wasnt much of a factor anyway. Let Herrera get away from him for the third alright and Sanchez really needs to improve his stamina in pre-season. Delph third goal aside did pretty well too. Apart from that, we were poor all over the pitch and looked a beaten side from early on. Stupid substitutions from Sherwood didnt help matters.

As many of you have said, today was a reality check re the quality of our players and arguably our manager. Lowton, Weimann, Nzogbia, Gabby, Cole - five players for starters that we could do without starting next season.

United were fairly poor in the second half. Would have only taken a bit of gumption to have got a result. Antonio Valencia continues to steal a living at Old Trafford. Young got on loads of ball but is very predictable.

[tomd2103]

What really pisses me off about shrek is not just that he scores against us and is generally an annoying little shit. It's that he's lauded as some world class player but has never shown that against world class opposition when playing for England.

Watching him score a goal like he did today really gets on my nerves as a (former) England fan. I've given up watching those toss=bags in the qualifiers now and end up, like many, watching the major tournaments out of abject curiosity. Then like clockwork, these players always lauded as world class suddenly look decidedly ordinary. Rooney is a fucking charlatan. Ask Utd fans if they can remember the last big CL game where Rooney really turned up.
I'm no Steven Gerrard fan and he's been shit for England too, but at least when his career is all said and done he can look back at that CL final and remember a game where he lived up to his reputation as being one of the best midfielders of his generation. He delivered.

Rooney has not. It's all well and good him getting yet another goal against a tin pot piece of shite side as Villa normally are when they step onto a pitch against Utd, but I'd like to see him doing it when it matters in an England shirt. Look at the Euros and there's not one side that England should be quaking in their boots at. But what will happen next year? If we're lucky we'll shuffle unconvincingly to the last 16 and then get knocked out at the first reasonable side we play against and that pug ugly piss kidney will no doubt bemoan the fans lack of passion.

Dont rate his big game temperament but Rooney has 47 international goals and is by a long way the best player in the England squad. His goal today was outstanding to be fair. Probably should have worked harder at his game and fitness over the last few years but England have pretty average players by top European standards in their first team. Rooney isnt one of them.

Not so sure about that.  Would like to see the breakdown of his goals for England in terms of who they have come against. 

[Rudy65]

When Weimann plays, it's like someone's golden retriever has escaped and come bounding onto the pitch.

Playing him, Gabby and Benteke together has never worked 95% of the time. Lambert tried it ad nauseum.

Add Charlie into the mix and you have a very mediocre front 4.

As others have said not giving Jack and Gil ( aka Jack and Jill ) a game is crazy.

[passport1]

When our forwards come in for criticism I always wonder what service they received from midfield. Did our midfield create anything worthwhile for them today?

[Dave]

What really pisses me off about shrek is not just that he scores against us and is generally an annoying little shit. It's that he's lauded as some world class player but has never shown that against world class opposition when playing for England.

Watching him score a goal like he did today really gets on my nerves as a (former) England fan. I've given up watching those toss=bags in the qualifiers now and end up, like many, watching the major tournaments out of abject curiosity. Then like clockwork, these players always lauded as world class suddenly look decidedly ordinary. Rooney is a fucking charlatan. Ask Utd fans if they can remember the last big CL game where Rooney really turned up.
I'm no Steven Gerrard fan and he's been shit for England too, but at least when his career is all said and done he can look back at that CL final and remember a game where he lived up to his reputation as being one of the best midfielders of his generation. He delivered.

Rooney has not. It's all well and good him getting yet another goal against a tin pot piece of shite side as Villa normally are when they step onto a pitch against Utd, but I'd like to see him doing it when it matters in an England shirt. Look at the Euros and there's not one side that England should be quaking in their boots at. But what will happen next year? If we're lucky we'll shuffle unconvincingly to the last 16 and then get knocked out at the first reasonable side we play against and that pug ugly piss kidney will no doubt bemoan the fans lack of passion.

Dont rate his big game temperament but Rooney has 47 international goals and is by a long way the best player in the England squad. His goal today was outstanding to be fair. Probably should have worked harder at his game and fitness over the last few years but England have pretty average players by top European standards in their first team. Rooney isnt one of them.

Not so sure about that.  Would like to see the breakdown of his goals for England in terms of who they have come against. 

Why is that going to be different to any other England striker?

Shearer, Greaves, Charlton and Lineker didn't score all of theirs against Germany, Italy and Brazil.

[Fin Feds Dad]

As expected - we never got close enough to them all day .

Same as almost every other visit for the past 20 yrs

[l_mckay]

The outcome was as expected really. Shame about the qpr and Leicester results,just hope sunderland and burnley loose tomorrow. Nervous for Tuesday already!!!!!

[Rudy65]

What really pisses me off about shrek is not just that he scores against us and is generally an annoying little shit. It's that he's lauded as some world class player but has never shown that against world class opposition when playing for England.

Watching him score a goal like he did today really gets on my nerves as a (former) England fan. I've given up watching those toss=bags in the qualifiers now and end up, like many, watching the major tournaments out of abject curiosity. Then like clockwork, these players always lauded as world class suddenly look decidedly ordinary. Rooney is a fucking charlatan. Ask Utd fans if they can remember the last big CL game where Rooney really turned up.
I'm no Steven Gerrard fan and he's been shit for England too, but at least when his career is all said and done he can look back at that CL final and remember a game where he lived up to his reputation as being one of the best midfielders of his generation. He delivered.

Rooney has not. It's all well and good him getting yet another goal against a tin pot piece of shite side as Villa normally are when they step onto a pitch against Utd, but I'd like to see him doing it when it matters in an England shirt. Look at the Euros and there's not one side that England should be quaking in their boots at. But what will happen next year? If we're lucky we'll shuffle unconvincingly to the last 16 and then get knocked out at the first reasonable side we play against and that pug ugly piss kidney will no doubt bemoan the fans lack of passion.

Dont rate his big game temperament but Rooney has 47 international goals and is by a long way the best player in the England squad. His goal today was outstanding to be fair. Probably should have worked harder at his game and fitness over the last few years but England have pretty average players by top European standards in their first team. Rooney isnt one of them.

Not so sure about that.  Would like to see the breakdown of his goals for England in terms of who they have come against. 

Why is that going to be different to any other England striker?

Shearer, Greaves, Charlton and Lineker didn't score all of theirs against Germany, Italy and Brazil.

Yes but look at the third world nature of our euro group. There were some poor teams around in the 60s and 70s but not as many as now

[Dave]

Yes but look at the third world nature of our euro group. There were some poor teams around in the 60s and 70s but not as many as now

Some of Charlton's goals were in the 19-1 total score across two friendlies with the United States in the 50s and 60s. Others in the 9-0 against Luxembourg, 8-0 against Mexico and 8-1 against Switzerland suggest that there were teams every bit as poor back then as there are now.

[dave.woodhall]

Yes but look at the third world nature of our euro group. There were some poor teams around in the 60s and 70s but not as many as now

Some of Charlton's goals were in the 19-1 total score across two friendlies with the United States in the 50s and 60s. Others in the 9-0 against Luxembourg, 8-0 against Mexico and 8-1 against Switzerland suggest that there were teams every bit as poor back then as there are now.

That's six in almost 15 years. You can play that many in every tournament now.