ManYoo vs Aston Villa Post Match Thread.

[ez]

Gabby was fucking awful today.

Weimann was far and away our best attacker today. That unfortunately is pretty telling. Gabby, Zogbia but most of all Benteskey all looked like they couldn't give a toss. They seemed to have half a mind on their summer holiday destination.

Please explain how is any way, shape or form Weimann was our best attacker? I did not see him beat a single defender off the dribble. I saw him turn the ball over at least 5 times. I watched him dribble out of bounds twice. Did he even cross a ball in? Did he have a shot? At least Benteke and Gabby put themselves in position to score.

He used to be my favorite player, now I want him gone.

Well he did set up that good chance for Benteke but that was the only thing he did. The transformation in him is astounding, and it's a real pity.

[Mortimer's Bear]

I didn't see the game so can't comment on the performance, when you look at the other results though we really are in the thick of it.

[Archie]

I don't agree that we were so woeful.
Against a team much stronger than us, we defended quite well without renouncing to counter attack, and at the end of the day we created much more goal occasions than we used to do in the Lambert era.   

[Dave]

Yes but look at the third world nature of our euro group. There were some poor teams around in the 60s and 70s but not as many as now

Some of Charlton's goals were in the 19-1 total score across two friendlies with the United States in the 50s and 60s. Others in the 9-0 against Luxembourg, 8-0 against Mexico and 8-1 against Switzerland suggest that there were teams every bit as poor back then as there are now.

That's six in almost 15 years. You can play that many in every tournament now.

Six what?

[dave.woodhall]

Yes but look at the third world nature of our euro group. There were some poor teams around in the 60s and 70s but not as many as now

Some of Charlton's goals were in the 19-1 total score across two friendlies with the United States in the 50s and 60s. Others in the 9-0 against Luxembourg, 8-0 against Mexico and 8-1 against Switzerland suggest that there were teams every bit as poor back then as there are now.

That's six in almost 15 years. You can play that many in every tournament now.

Six what?

Sorry, five, which is even stronger proof.

[Dave]

Yes but look at the third world nature of our euro group. There were some poor teams around in the 60s and 70s but not as many as now

Some of Charlton's goals were in the 19-1 total score across two friendlies with the United States in the 50s and 60s. Others in the 9-0 against Luxembourg, 8-0 against Mexico and 8-1 against Switzerland suggest that there were teams every bit as poor back then as there are now.

That's six in almost 15 years. You can play that many in every tournament now.

Six what?

Sorry, five, which is even stronger proof.

It's eleven of his 49 goals though. We could then add his six goals in total against Northern Ireland and five against both Wales and Scotland who England played against pretty much every year, unlike now.

I reckon that about nine of Charlton's goals were against teams that one would consider to be strong opposition. That doesn't mean that his goals were meaningless, it just means that like every striker who has scored lots of goals some were against good opposition and some weren't. Just like Rooney's are.

[ez]

Actually thought we did ok in the most part. You just get no decisions at OT, Rooney dive and dissent, holding up play at the end. The refs are too scared to give decisions against them.

Tuesday massive though.

To be fair if anything I thought we got a lot of the decisions, particularly the 50/50's in the first half.

On a positive note, it's refreshing to see us score from a corner.

I found it quite amusing that we actually scored from a corner as thoroughly shite as that one (and to the standard of the day).

Our 20th league goal of the season. At least we're not going to break Derby's all time low record.

[dave.woodhall]

There are still more games against weaker sides now than before. Gibraltar, San Marino, assorted ex-Balkan and Soviet states.

[Villafirst]

We have to start playing Carles Gil. Trouble is, he's had no game time recently.

[villadelph]

We have to start playing Carles Gil. Trouble is, he's had no game time recently.

Thing is though, if Sherwood is willing to run the risk of playing someone like N'Zogbia (who shows good flashes but turns the ball over often and doesn't track back) why not give Gil a go?

[Jimbo]

The most predictable fixture in the wide and wonderless world of sport. Next.

[supertom]

Gabby was fucking awful today.

Weimann was far and away our best attacker today. That unfortunately is pretty telling. Gabby, Zogbia but most of all Benteskey all looked like they couldn't give a toss. They seemed to have half a mind on their summer holiday destination.

Please explain how is any way, shape or form Weimann was our best attacker? I did not see him beat a single defender off the dribble. I saw him turn the ball over at least 5 times. I watched him dribble out of bounds twice. Did he even cross a ball in? Did he have a shot? At least Benteke and Gabby put themselves in position to score.

He used to be my favorite player, now I want him gone.

Well he did set up that good chance for Benteke but that was the only thing he did. The transformation in him is astounding, and it's a real pity.

He had that one run. He also got passed their left back another time and won a good freekick.
He also looked like he had a pulse.
That for me was far more than the other two wasters to be perfectly honest. One flick of a leg aside, Benteke was an abomination today. Gabby was non-existent.
Weimann is shit but at the very least he tries.

[brian green]

Therein lies our problem.   Our players are so prone to bad games that we think a player who tries is somehow special where in reality he is only better than players who make no effort at all.   We have too many low quality players in our squad I am afraid.

[supertom]

Therein lies our problem.   Our players are so prone to bad games that we think a player who tries is somehow special where in reality he is only better than players who make no effort at all.   We have too many low quality players in our squad I am afraid.

That is definitely (and painfully) true.

[Dave]

There are still more games against weaker sides now than before. Gibraltar, San Marino, assorted ex-Balkan and Soviet states.

The weaker sides of yesterday are the stronger sides of today. Charlton was able to score thrice against Switzerland in an 8-0 win, doesn't mean that it was just as easy for Rooney to score twice against them in a 3-0 win. The USA team that England beat 10-0 was probably not as good as the one that England drew 1-1 with.

Rooney has never had the chance to play teams giving up 10-0, 9-1 and 8-0 scorelines. That suggests to me that there were a lot of very easy games back then.

Anyway, this is getting a bit far from today's result.