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Online aj2k77

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Re: Accounts Show Reduced Loss
« Reply #120 on: February 27, 2015, 09:23:42 AM »
Those figures don't include TV money. That is what the market share pool is. 2 years ago the TV money alone was something like

Arsenal £11M
Man City £18m
Chelsea £18m
Man Utd £24m

That's euros not pounds.

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Re: Accounts Show Reduced Loss
« Reply #121 on: February 28, 2015, 08:17:39 AM »
Interesting piece from the Daily Torygraph here
 

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Newcastle United are set to announce record profits for the past financial year, despite continuing to languish among the Premier League also-rans.  The club are expected to confirm they made more money than most clubs playing in the Champions League when they release their latest set of results, with sources indicating they could have made as much as £50 million.  However, there are conflicting figures being banded around at the club, with one prominent figure insisting the profit was nearer to £30 million. The Daily Telegraph’s attempts to clarify the exact figure have been frustrated, although it has been confirmed a “significant profit” will be announced next week.  To put things into perspective, Arsenal, who won the FA Cup, reached the knockout stage of the Champions League and finished fourth in the Premier League last season, six places higher than Newcastle, made a profit of roughly £11 million.  It will be the fourth year in a row that Newcastle have announced an operating profit and it seems certain that the figures will be an improvement on those announced in 2012 when they made a profit of £13.3 million, numbers boosted by the £35 million sale of Andy Carroll to Liverpool.    The impressive financial figures will be used to justify owner Mike Ashley’s continued presence at St James’ Park. Ashley inherited a club crippled by debt and covered losses of £140 million during his first three years at St James’ Park, although the majority of those were interest-free loans needed during their solitary season in the Championship.
 The disastrous relegation at the end of the 2008/9 season began with Kevin Keegan’s resignation following a falling out over the club’s transfer policy and was made worse by Ashley’s subsequent appointment of Joe Kinnear as manager and the owner’s repeated attempts to sell the club.
 Ashley, though, has transformed the business and while he has not presided over any success on the pitch, he deserves credit for the impact he has made on the club’s accounts.
 Supporters, though, are unlikely to be impressed and there will be increased pressure to reinvest the profits in the first-team squad when the transfer window opens in the summer.
 It remains to be seen whether Ashley is willing to do that, or whether he has used the profits to repay some of the money owed to him in the form of interest free loans.
 Although Ashley has had great success in streamlining the business, cutting costs, as well as buying players cheaply and selling them on for a large profit, Newcastle have only finished in the top eight once since he took control of the club in 2007.
 Newcastle have been short of competition for places in both defence and attack all season after failing to sign a top class centre-back and centre-forward last summer.
 Indeed, most supporters are unhappy that the club seems more interested in performing well in the accounts department than delivering a team that is capable of challenging for silverware and European qualification.
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Re: Accounts Show Reduced Loss
« Reply #123 on: March 07, 2015, 12:04:57 PM »
I've got the actual accounts now and they show:

Gate receipts slightly down from £12,9m to £12.8m
TV money up to £72.7m from £45.8m.
Sponsorship income up from £8.5m to £9.3m
Commercial income up from £15.9m to £22m.  Note however, that this includes loan fees for players we loan out, which seems a strange place to stick it.

Wages didn't fall very much, down by £2.5m from £71.8m to £69.3m.  Last year's figure included 'exceptional costs' of £2.2m though, which I assume are payoffs, so the real underlying figure is unchanged.

The balance sheet is now positive to the tune of £2m after being in deficit to £84m last year, because of the conversion of the loan notes to share capital.  The company still owes Lerner £90m though.

So it's more positive then, but also shows the importance of staying in the Premier League.  Our other income isn't growing, and as a percentage of total income is becoming far less important.  The TV money has meant that teams that come up like Derby or Forest will straight away have a much bigger income than the teams that go down.  Anybody going down pretty well needs to bounce back straight away, otherwise they're going to be left behind.

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Re: Accounts Show Reduced Loss
« Reply #124 on: March 07, 2015, 01:47:08 PM »
Just to add to Risso's review:

  • Average attendances up to 36,081 in 13/14 from 35,059 in 12/13
  • The directors confirmed that the club is compliant with Premier League Profitability and Sustainability Rules (equivalent of UEFA's FFP rules)
  • Total revenue up £33m to £117m - £27m increase in Broadcasting revenue, £6m increase in Commercial revenue
  • Operating costs reduced by £13m - £8m of this is the absence of player registration impairments - ie not real money (£6m) and the absence of contract termination costs (£2m).  The rest is the impact of accounting for player transfer fees - again, not real money.
  • Wage costs down by £3m to 59.3% of revenue, from 85.9% last year (Risso - the £2.2m exceptionals were in addition to this amount so there is a genuine reduction in wages)
  • Operating cashflows (ie once you strip out the accounting for transfer fees previously paid) are £13m positive, versus £20m negative last year) - the swing being almost entirely driven by the increase in the revenue
  • Net transfer spend of £14m, down from £20m in 12/13
  • Randy hasn't put any more money in to the club but has converted the £90m of loan to share cap back in December 2013
  • Between them, Randy and Faulkner got salaries of £438k - one of them getting £266k (they don't have to say which one), the other getting £168k
  • The net overdraft (ie ignoring Randy's loan) has increased from £12.5m to £15.9m although we still had £4.7m of the overdraft facility to draw down on
  • There are potential add-on transfer fees of £4.2m (£8.4m in 12/13) which haven't been accounted for yet as they're not deemed 'probable'.  Interestingly someone (or a number of people) have it written in their contract that they get a pay out on a change in ownership of the club - the amount for this (which hasn't yet been accounted for) is £2.75m.

Overall the accounts now show a pretty solid picture.  It looks like we've finally got the club back on an even keel after MON's carnage.  But Randy's still down to the tune of £300m.  The real financial success for the year has been getting the extra TV money in and stopping it just flowing out to the players in wages.  However, TV money accounts for 62% of our income now so relegation would be financially disastrous if we couldn't reduce our costs accordingly - but I had read somewhere that the players now have relegation clauses in their contracts now so that would help.

Beyond relegation, the next challenge is making sure the new contracts given to the likes of Delph don't result in massive wage increases which put us back in to the position we were in before.

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Re: Accounts Show Reduced Loss
« Reply #125 on: March 07, 2015, 02:07:23 PM »
Yes, you're right about the exceptional costs, misread my own scribbles.  Would the directors' remuneration not cover Faulkner and Russell, rather than Lerner and Faulkner?  Minor points in any case.

Did you see the PBSE note though?  It says that the net cost of additions of new players after the 31 May 2014 was only £0.1m.  This can't be right, surely?  I know Lambert mainly brought in free transfers, but surely Sanchez and Gil were a few million each?

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Re: Accounts Show Reduced Loss
« Reply #126 on: March 07, 2015, 02:24:08 PM »
Yes, you're right about the exceptional costs, misread my own scribbles.  Would the directors' remuneration not cover Faulkner and Russell, rather than Lerner and Faulkner?  Minor points in any case.

Did you see the PBSE note though?  It says that the net cost of additions of new players after the 31 May 2014 was only £0.1m.  This can't be right, surely?  I know Lambert mainly brought in free transfers, but surely Sanchez and Gil were a few million each?

You're right, need to include Russell. Not sure if Randy pays himself a salary.

As for PBSE, the accounts were signed off on 17 July - we didn't sign Sanchez until August and Gil until January so they wouldn't be included.

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Re: Accounts Show Reduced Loss
« Reply #127 on: March 07, 2015, 02:29:07 PM »
The change of owner clause will cover directors and senior management. I'd guess it's standard in business.

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Re: Accounts Show Reduced Loss
« Reply #128 on: March 07, 2015, 02:32:24 PM »
Yes, you're right about the exceptional costs, misread my own scribbles.  Would the directors' remuneration not cover Faulkner and Russell, rather than Lerner and Faulkner?  Minor points in any case.

Did you see the PBSE note though?  It says that the net cost of additions of new players after the 31 May 2014 was only £0.1m.  This can't be right, surely?  I know Lambert mainly brought in free transfers, but surely Sanchez and Gil were a few million each?

You're right, need to include Russell. Not sure if Randy pays himself a salary.

As for PBSE, the accounts were signed off on 17 July - we didn't sign Sanchez until August and Gil until January so they wouldn't be included.

Ah good spot.  I'm used to them not signing the accounts until February!

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Re: Accounts Show Reduced Loss
« Reply #129 on: March 07, 2015, 02:47:37 PM »
The change of owner clause will cover directors and senior management. I'd guess it's standard in business.

It's the first time I've come across it in over 15 years of working with businesses. But who knows what's normal in the unique world of Premier League football!

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Re: Accounts Show Reduced Loss
« Reply #130 on: March 07, 2015, 04:25:27 PM »

Beyond relegation, the next challenge is making sure the new contracts given to the likes of Delph don't result in massive wage increases which put us back in to the position we were in before.

What contracts are up this summer?  Vlaar and Bent I think amongst others, which would be another big chunk off the bill.

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Re: Accounts Show Reduced Loss
« Reply #131 on: March 07, 2015, 04:34:51 PM »
Thank you Risso and Ad@m.  Just about understood most of that.

I guess it is Fox's job to talk us up, but he seems pretty confident that he'll increase commercial income beyond where we currently are so in a few years we could start to have the flexibility to make some bigger moves in the transfer market (assuming we stay up).

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Re: Accounts Show Reduced Loss
« Reply #132 on: March 07, 2015, 05:36:58 PM »
The change of owner clause will cover directors and senior management. I'd guess it's standard in business.

It's the first time I've come across it in over 15 years of working with businesses. But who knows what's normal in the unique world of Premier League football!

They are more common in the tech business although usually its an accelerated vesting of shares in that case rather than cash.

The people with those clauses are ones who may either not make the transition to new ownership or people you want to give an incentive to make a change happen.

 

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« Reply #133 on: March 08, 2015, 06:24:50 PM »
Looking at those numbers, the impact that a good commercial operation can have is frankly almost meaningless compared to TV revenues

The increased deal must trigger a number of things. I'm still not sure we're an attractive purchasing proposition though. where do you take us? Eighth? What's the point?

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Re: Accounts Show Reduced Loss
« Reply #134 on: March 08, 2015, 06:28:53 PM »
The change of owner clause will cover directors and senior management. I'd guess it's standard in business.

It's the first time I've come across it in over 15 years of working with businesses. But who knows what's normal in the unique world of Premier League football!

They are more common in the tech business although usually its an accelerated vesting of shares in that case rather than cash.

The people with those clauses are ones who may either not make the transition to new ownership or people you want to give an incentive to make a change happen.

Yep, I've seen plenty of share option deals like that but the way it's accounted for in the Villa's case isn't a share option, it's a cash bonus (or something readily convertible in to cash).

 


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