The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.

[Le Lapin]

We are going to have really up our game to keep ahead of the so called "three worse teams than us". Other teams around us include us in the "three worse teams than us" group. We should have pulled the trigger on Lambert last May. I fear it could be too late for this lot. They will have the relegation escape clauses in their contracts to comfort them.

[ozzjim]

Strangely, watching today, even in defeat, I felt more confident than I did last week, or during the Hull game.

[itbrvilla]

They will have the relegation escape clauses in their contracts to comfort them.

You would of thought so, but with this lot running the club i wouldn't be surprised if they hadn't.

[supertom]

I actually think we might need to go down.
Take a nuke to this side, flog off the stars who will undoubtedly move, then flush out the wasters and the ever increasing amount of sunk headed fucking losers.

Four years of repeated kicks in the balls now. It's getting to the fans and it has infected the players who've been here the whole time, and quickly infects those players we bring in. Cleverley started reasonably well and turned absolutely shit. See also Cissokho, Luna, Sylla, Westwood, Lowton, Benteke now. The list goes on.

If we do survive then what? The cycle repeats and we merely delay the inevitable. It's going to happen under Lerner. No two ways about it. The sooner it does, the sooner we can rebuild.

I'm becoming increasingly resigned to the fact that going down might be the jolt we need. Rebuild with our youngsters. Buy in some hard working and hungry players who can help us first stabilise in the Championship (so we don't double drop) and then try to rebuild in the next couple of years and hopefully come up as a more cohesive unit as Newcastle and West Ham did.

Losing and giving up is so ingrained in our squad that genuinely I think the only way to move forward is to yank the fucking flush and start again. Gardner is seemingly having a good end to the season and impacting in the championship. Bring him back into the fold and get rid of Westwood who is a waste of space. Delph can go or he can stay and fight and help bring us back. The backline should be okay in the middle. Guzan may stay but Given is more than adequate for the Champ. We buy a forward who scores at Champ level or who could make a step up from L1. We build around some of the more promising youngsters like Grealish and Robinson too. And would Sherwood perhaps want to keep Bent on (reduced wages of course)? There won't be many Prem takers for Darren, but he's proved he's got goals in him at Champ level. 2 year deal perhaps.

Perhaps too it'll be the absolute final straw that sees Randy bugger off. Perhaps he'd give lower the price enough to tempt someone into buying a sleeping giant. We just have to hope Fox (if he stayed), or whoever has the where-withal to avoid Chicken farmers and the like.

We're a pox on this league. We need to be wiped from it, for our own good.

[itbrvilla]

I actually think we might need to go down.
Take a nuke to this side, flog off the stars who will undoubtedly move, then flush out the wasters and the ever increasing amount of sunk headed fucking losers.

Four years of repeated kicks in the balls now. It's getting to the fans and it has infected the players who've been here the whole time, and quickly infects those players we bring in. Cleverley started reasonably well and turned absolutely shit. See also Cissokho, Luna, Sylla, Westwood, Lowton, Benteke now. The list goes on.

If we do survive then what? The cycle repeats and we merely delay the inevitable. It's going to happen under Lerner. No two ways about it. The sooner it does, the sooner we can rebuild.

I'm becoming increasingly resigned to the fact that going down might be the jolt we need. Rebuild with our youngsters. Buy in some hard working and hungry players who can help us first stabilise in the Championship (so we don't double drop) and then try to rebuild in the next couple of years and hopefully come up as a more cohesive unit as Newcastle and West Ham did.

Losing and giving up is so ingrained in our squad that genuinely I think the only way to move forward is to yank the fucking flush and start again. Gardner is seemingly having a good end to the season and impacting in the championship. Bring him back into the fold and get rid of Westwood who is a waste of space. Delph can go or he can stay and fight and help bring us back. The backline should be okay in the middle. Guzan may stay but Given is more than adequate for the Champ. We buy a forward who scores at Champ level or who could make a step up from L1. We build around some of the more promising youngsters like Grealish and Robinson too. And would Sherwood perhaps want to keep Bent on (reduced wages of course)? There won't be many Prem takers for Darren, but he's proved he's got goals in him at Champ level. 2 year deal perhaps.

Perhaps too it'll be the absolute final straw that sees Randy bugger off. Perhaps he'd give lower the price enough to tempt someone into buying a sleeping giant. We just have to hope Fox (if he stayed), or whoever has the where-withal to avoid Chicken farmers and the like.

We're a pox on this league. We need to be wiped from it, for our own good.

Aren't our current crop of youngsters a bit shit?

[FranzBiberkopf]

Let's get this straight now - they are NOT three worse teams than us. We are where we should be.

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At this point there is one side worse than us and another two equally as bad.

Worse run in 52 years, 7 defeats on the spin, manager waiting for his first win... local derby next.

[Jon Crofts]

Let's get this straight now - they are NOT three worse teams than us. We are where we should be.

Statistically we are one of the worst teams in the land, how anyone can say there are 3 worse teams is beyond me.

[hilts_coolerking]

I'm becoming increasingly resigned to the fact that going down might be the jolt we need. Rebuild with our youngsters. Buy in some hard working and hungry players

No more youngsters.  No more hungry players.  Even if we did go up we'd need to start all over again, a) because our youngsters generally turn out to be not good enough for the Prem, and b) because we tried the young and hungry route for three years and it doesn't work.

We should buy the very best we can afford and persuade to come.  If we must have youngsters and / or hungry players get them in on loan from somewhere good.

If the last three (or more) years have told us anything it's that what you need to compete in the Prem is skill.

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On the subject of youngsters, the finish from Gardner was brilliant. He just biffs it.

[supertom]

I actually think we might need to go down.
Take a nuke to this side, flog off the stars who will undoubtedly move, then flush out the wasters and the ever increasing amount of sunk headed fucking losers.

Four years of repeated kicks in the balls now. It's getting to the fans and it has infected the players who've been here the whole time, and quickly infects those players we bring in. Cleverley started reasonably well and turned absolutely shit. See also Cissokho, Luna, Sylla, Westwood, Lowton, Benteke now. The list goes on.

If we do survive then what? The cycle repeats and we merely delay the inevitable. It's going to happen under Lerner. No two ways about it. The sooner it does, the sooner we can rebuild.

I'm becoming increasingly resigned to the fact that going down might be the jolt we need. Rebuild with our youngsters. Buy in some hard working and hungry players who can help us first stabilise in the Championship (so we don't double drop) and then try to rebuild in the next couple of years and hopefully come up as a more cohesive unit as Newcastle and West Ham did.

Losing and giving up is so ingrained in our squad that genuinely I think the only way to move forward is to yank the fucking flush and start again. Gardner is seemingly having a good end to the season and impacting in the championship. Bring him back into the fold and get rid of Westwood who is a waste of space. Delph can go or he can stay and fight and help bring us back. The backline should be okay in the middle. Guzan may stay but Given is more than adequate for the Champ. We buy a forward who scores at Champ level or who could make a step up from L1. We build around some of the more promising youngsters like Grealish and Robinson too. And would Sherwood perhaps want to keep Bent on (reduced wages of course)? There won't be many Prem takers for Darren, but he's proved he's got goals in him at Champ level. 2 year deal perhaps.

Perhaps too it'll be the absolute final straw that sees Randy bugger off. Perhaps he'd give lower the price enough to tempt someone into buying a sleeping giant. We just have to hope Fox (if he stayed), or whoever has the where-withal to avoid Chicken farmers and the like.

We're a pox on this league. We need to be wiped from it, for our own good.

Aren't our current crop of youngsters a bit shit?

I think our problem has been that Lambert bought in too many youngsters from other clubs rather than try to bed in some of our own.
I would fancy Grealish at Champ level. Robinson may do well as an impact player. Johnson could go either way. Gardner seems to be doing well. Bennett looks like he's improving at that level.
I think the idea should be to ease 2-3 new young players in next season. West Ham brought 1-2 through but also made astute signings like Kevin Nolan.

We've got to get that balance. A bit of grit and graft. But also 2-3 players who are tidy on the ball so we can begin changing the footballing culture at the club as Derby seem to be doing under McLaren.
 

[supertom]

I'm becoming increasingly resigned to the fact that going down might be the jolt we need. Rebuild with our youngsters. Buy in some hard working and hungry players

No more youngsters.  No more hungry players.  Even if we did go up we'd need to start all over again, a) because our youngsters generally turn out to be not good enough for the Prem, and b) because we tried the young and hungry route for three years and it doesn't work.

We should buy the very best we can afford and persuade to come.  If we must have youngsters and / or hungry players get them in on loan from somewhere good.

If the last three (or more) years have told us anything it's that what you need to compete in the Prem is skill.

That's true, but much depends on what we can afford. I honestly wouldn't fancy many of the returning loanees for example. The likes of Tonev and Sylla still have to go.

I think we'll probably be looking at needing 10-11 signings if we go down. We'll lose about 4-5 sellable assets who will want out. Then we'll be left with about 7-8 who we want to shift but won't attract buyers.

Whilst our academy isn't brilliant and we don't appear to be bringing through Prem quality, I would hope that we've got 3-4 Champ quality players coming through. Ultimately that's what I'm talking about because I don't think we will stay up. If we did we'd go again next season with more or less the same group, who are just a bunch of stinking loses. They reek of it.

[supertom]

At this point there is one side worse than us and another two equally as bad.

Worse run in 52 years, 7 defeats on the spin, manager waiting for his first win... local derby next.

Leicester's performances aren't that dreadful either. They always work hard but desperately lack in quality and their defence falls apart. They've got more heart than we do though. I can see them winning again before we do.

[TopDeck113]

I think there's a lot of truth in what you say, supertom.   God knows I don't want the ignominy of relegation, but what will survival mean? The same as the last few seasons: another season of struggle.  It's easy to speculate, but if we'd gone under McLeish, I reckon we could have genuinely done the "young and hungry" thing in the Championship and would probably be back up or at least chasing promotion with a team that would be doing the club proud.  I'd even go so far as to say that Lambert may have done a very good job for us in that scenario,  As it is the malaise has had even longer to set in, and I reckon that will make a quick turnaround much harder. 

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I don't.