It's not Sherwood!

[Toronto Villa]

But with a load of poor appointments, they dont have a good track record of getting the right man in, Garde who i know nothing about, or Moyes who I believe a top manager, the only reason to go for Garde is his cheaper and wont demand a transfer budget.

If you know nothing about him, how do you know they're the only reasons to go for garde?

Fella you know what?

Studied Garde have you?

look at the appointments on what grounds where they based?

Moyes obviously aint a cheap option, as a Villa fan I want reassurance that were going for the best we can get, Garde as far as I know aint managed in the prem?

I don't understand why you have this perception that Villa don't pay their managers so by extension Garde is the more attractive, cheap option? And therefore why they won't go for Moyes. Are you dismissing that there might very well be another set of reasons as to why Garde makes more sense?

[Chris Smith]

I know the feeling Chris. It looks like a good idea, it fits well, but then something just tells me we will be here in 6 months looking back saying we should have gone all in on Moyes.

My feelings too. Were we not in such a porous position, I would laud the foresight of this appointment, but here we are bottom of the league with moral at rock bottom and in dire need of an injection of grit and determination to try and arrest the slide. Surely this is not the time to start an experiment? We need someone who knows how the premier league works, knows how to organize a team to be difficult to beat and is able to deal with the pressures of being the manager of a club that the neutral fan would love to see drop out…. For me that simply has to be Moyes.

If we go for Moyes then it probably means he is the wrong choice and similarly if we go for Garde. It's the Villa way

[ozzjim]

I think Moyes is a good manager Tony, but not a top one, he showed he is not that at United. I think he is very reminiscent of O'Neill but with less personal hang ups and not such a rigid tactical plan.

If I could say with any certainty Garde would keep us up, I would have him over Moyes straight away.

[Ger Regan]

But with a load of poor appointments, they dont have a good track record of getting the right man in, Garde who i know nothing about, or Moyes who I believe a top manager, the only reason to go for Garde is his cheaper and wont demand a transfer budget.

If you know nothing about him, how do you know they're the only reasons to go for garde?

Fella you know what?

Studied Garde have you?

look at the appointments on what grounds where they based?

Moyes obviously aint a cheap option, as a Villa fan I want reassurance that were going for the best we can get, Garde as far as I know aint managed in the prem?

By study him have I done a bit of reading about him since he was first suggested, then yes I have, and it eased many of the fears that I had initially.

I don't care if he's not managed in the premier league, and disagree that this is some sort of indication of us going for the best we can get.

Also, I'm fairly sure we had to pay quite a bit to appoint McLeish and Lambert, as they were both in jobs at the time. They were, ultimately, bad appointments, but that's a different argument.

[Toronto Villa]

I think Moyes is a good manager Tony, but not a top one, he showed he is not that at United. I think he is very reminiscent of O'Neill but with less personal hang ups and not such a rigid tactical plan.

If I could say with any certainty Garde would keep us up, I would have him over Moyes straight away.

I think that's a bit unfair Ozz. At Man U he hardly got any time to fix the numerous issues that were clearly there after Ferguson. And even when LVG it has taken him immense amounts of money to just get them back into the CL, and then mountains more to get them back challenging for the title. We'll never know if could have addressed things, but given the level of success they had enjoyed he was never going to be afforded the time. That and he was never accepted as the big name manager the fans wanted. If Guardiola had taken over and got the same results he'd still be there spending the money given to LVG. Moyes was just the wrong face.

[exigo]

This whole 'must have Premier League experience nonsense. To put it in context, Sherwood now has 56 games' experience with us and Spurs.
More than Flores, Howe, Klopp, Neil and Bilic combined. Only four fewer than Koeman, who lots of people suggest is the kind of manager we need.

Premier League experience is not the issue. The ability to coordinate a perfectly decent squad to gain around 34 points from 28 games is all that counts, which is hardly the equivalent of putting man on Mars.

[ozzjim]

Maybe so, but that is the preface that LVG is still a top manager, and I don't think he is that great either!

I think Moyes is easily good enough for us though. I also don't think the argument about us paying for managers and wanting cheap ones is anything other than twaddle.

[Tony Erdington]

But with a load of poor appointments, they dont have a good track record of getting the right man in, Garde who i know nothing about, or Moyes who I believe a top manager, the only reason to go for Garde is his cheaper and wont demand a transfer budget.

If you know nothing about him, how do you know they're the only reasons to go for garde?

Fella you know what?

Studied Garde have you?

look at the appointments on what grounds where they based?

Moyes obviously aint a cheap option, as a Villa fan I want reassurance that were going for the best we can get, Garde as far as I know aint managed in the prem?

I don't understand why you have this perception that Villa don't pay their managers so by extension Garde is the more attractive, cheap option? And therefore why they won't go for Moyes. Are you dismissing that there might very well be another set of reasons as to why Garde makes more sense?

Well Mcleish, Lambert and Sherwood coming from where they came from, to me where star struck by Aston Villa Managers job, we did interview Rafa Benitez but Villa didnt appoint. I could be wrong but with the way Randy has run the club, get the wage bill down (I particularly felt sorry for Alex Mcleish) Randy does seem to try and run the club on a budget, including appointing managers. Admittedly he's get better because his getting clauses into their contracts that in certain circumstances the club will pay you x amount which does not equate to 4 years sellary.

[paul_e]

Are you suggesting that running on a budget is a bad thing?  Given that we KNOW that the budget for managers salaries has been 'top 20 in Europe' level it's not like that budget is crippling or hugely limiting our ability to hire people.

[Dave]

I could be wrong but with the way Randy has run the club, get the wage bill down (I particularly felt sorry for Alex Mcleish) Randy does seem to try and run the club on a budget, including appointing managers

We made McLeish one of the top 20 highest paid football managers in the world. How does that tally with the above?

The issue isn't that we try and appoint managers on the cheap, it's that we appoint rubbish managers.

[Tony Erdington]

But with a load of poor appointments, they dont have a good track record of getting the right man in, Garde who i know nothing about, or Moyes who I believe a top manager, the only reason to go for Garde is his cheaper and wont demand a transfer budget.

If you know nothing about him, how do you know they're the only reasons to go for garde?

Fella you know what?

Studied Garde have you?

look at the appointments on what grounds where they based?

Moyes obviously aint a cheap option, as a Villa fan I want reassurance that were going for the best we can get, Garde as far as I know aint managed in the prem?

By study him have I done a bit of reading about him since he was first suggested, then yes I have, and it eased many of the fears that I had initially.

I don't care if he's not managed in the premier league, and disagree that this is some sort of indication of us going for the best we can get.

Also, I'm fairly sure we had to pay quite a bit to appoint McLeish and Lambert, as they were both in jobs at the time. They were, ultimately, bad appointments, but that's a different argument.

So looked at a few articles, looked at the league he managed in, great.

going on our clubs history of appointing managers, I want a manager who has been there and to a certain degree successfully managed up the top of the Premier league, scares me to death, we appoint a manager on potential Again.

[Wiggz]

Maybe so, but that is the preface that LVG is still a top manager, and I don't think he is that great either!

I think Moyes is easily good enough for us though. I also don't think the argument about us paying for managers and wanting cheap ones is anything other than twaddle.

That's not a fair comparison. Klopp, for example, has had top flight experience in another country, and that was 'some' experience as well. Sherwood, other than short tenures at clubs, had not.

[rob_bridge]

But with a load of poor appointments, they dont have a good track record of getting the right man in, Garde who i know nothing about, or Moyes who I believe a top manager, the only reason to go for Garde is his cheaper and wont demand a transfer budget.

If you know nothing about him, how do you know they're the only reasons to go for garde?

Fella you know what?

Studied Garde have you?

look at the appointments on what grounds where they based?

Moyes obviously aint a cheap option, as a Villa fan I want reassurance that were going for the best we can get, Garde as far as I know aint managed in the prem?

I don't understand why you have this perception that Villa don't pay their managers so by extension Garde is the more attractive, cheap option? And therefore why they won't go for Moyes. Are you dismissing that there might very well be another set of reasons as to why Garde makes more sense?

Well Mcleish, Lambert and Sherwood coming from where they came from, to me where star struck by Aston Villa Managers job, we did interview Rafa Benitez but Villa didnt appoint. I could be wrong but with the way Randy has run the club, get the wage bill down (I particularly felt sorry for Alex Mcleish) Randy does seem to try and run the club on a budget, including appointing managers. Admittedly he's get better because his getting clauses into their contracts that in certain circumstances the club will pay you x amount which does not equate to 4 years sellary.

McLeish transfers

£9.5 for CNZ + 5 years at 65k pa = £25m with zero ROI
£3.5 for Hutton + 4 years at 40k = £10m with little ROI
Loan for Jenas + 1 year at 2m wages = £2m
£3.5m for Given + 5 years at 65k = £19m

Not sure how sorry we should feel for him. See very little value for money there and followed same pattern as O'Neill in hiring 'proven' Premier League players all as it happened past their best.

[Ian.]

One thing for sure, is nothing is certain. So why is Moyes not counted as a gamble? Or Rodgers for that matter.

I have nothing against Moyes or Rodgers and would be quite happy if either became our manager. I still would not be that confident that it's the answer. The sound of Garde does excite me more than those two names though.

[Toronto Villa]

But with a load of poor appointments, they dont have a good track record of getting the right man in, Garde who i know nothing about, or Moyes who I believe a top manager, the only reason to go for Garde is his cheaper and wont demand a transfer budget.

If you know nothing about him, how do you know they're the only reasons to go for garde?

Fella you know what?

Studied Garde have you?

look at the appointments on what grounds where they based?

Moyes obviously aint a cheap option, as a Villa fan I want reassurance that were going for the best we can get, Garde as far as I know aint managed in the prem?

I don't understand why you have this perception that Villa don't pay their managers so by extension Garde is the more attractive, cheap option? And therefore why they won't go for Moyes. Are you dismissing that there might very well be another set of reasons as to why Garde makes more sense?

Well Mcleish, Lambert and Sherwood coming from where they came from, to me where star struck by Aston Villa Managers job, we did interview Rafa Benitez but Villa didnt appoint. I could be wrong but with the way Randy has run the club, get the wage bill down (I particularly felt sorry for Alex Mcleish) Randy does seem to try and run the club on a budget, including appointing managers. Admittedly he's get better because his getting clauses into their contracts that in certain circumstances the club will pay you x amount which does not equate to 4 years sellary.

McLeish transfers

£9.5 for CNZ + 5 years at 65k pa = £25m with zero ROI
£3.5 for Hutton + 4 years at 40k = £10m with little ROI
Loan for Jenas + 1 year at 2m wages = £2m
£3.5m for Given + 5 years at 65k = £19m

Not sure how sorry we should feel for him. See very little value for money there and followed same pattern as O'Neill in hiring 'proven' Premier League players all as it happened past their best.