It's not Sherwood!

[Rigadon]

I know the feeling Chris. It looks like a good idea, it fits well, but then something just tells me we will be here in 6 months looking back saying we should have gone all in on Moyes.

That's it for me too. 

I can't understand why we'd take a gamble again.  Uuless of course Moyes / Rodgers have both said "no" and a gamble is actually our best (only) bet.

[Chris Smith]

but what is relevant experience in the premier league?  For example if Mourinho got sacked this afternoon and called Fox to apply for the job would his experience at the top of the premier league make him more or less suited to a relegation battle than someone who's been fighting relegation in Germany, for example?  Can you say without doubt that it would be more because if you can't then the myth of premier league experience is largely laid bare.

In any new job there is a period of adjustment, that is true for any walk of life. That is why so many organisations prefer internal promotions much of the time as they already know the culture so can get down to productive work more quickly.

My worries are more to do with the Villa though, if it is something we have identified as a good idea then recent experience suggests it probably isn't; get this one wrong and we are down and the prospect of an early return not something I would put money on.

[Dave]

I know the feeling Chris. It looks like a good idea, it fits well, but then something just tells me we will be here in 6 months looking back saying we should have gone all in on Moyes.

That's it for me too. 

I can't understand why we'd take a gamble again.  Uuless of course Moyes / Rodgers have both said "no" and a gamble is actually our best (only) bet.

Literally anybody would be a gamble of some description.

There isn't a single manager who you can point at and say "he will be a guaranteed success".

[ChicagoLion]

Now there is a Proper Fkin Journalist. Great article. Every one should read that.

[Diablo]

I know the feeling Chris. It looks like a good idea, it fits well, but then something just tells me we will be here in 6 months looking back saying we should have gone all in on Moyes.

That's it for me too. 

I can't understand why we'd take a gamble again.  Uuless of course Moyes / Rodgers have both said "no" and a gamble is actually our best (only) bet.

Literally anybody would be a gamble of some description.

There isn't a single manager who you can point at and say "he will be a guaranteed success".

It depends what you class as success? Is success staying up following our appalling start? If that is success then Pulis or Allardyce would arguably fit that (short term) description. They're both taken of course (albeit by a week regarding Big Sam) but they've done it throughout their careers.

[cdbearsfan]

If Allardyce would guarantee survival, why are Sunderland still odds-on to go down?

[LeeB]

It's occurred to me that the reason I'm hesitant over Rodgers is that despite having much better players, he's the one manager that got regularly outfoxed by Lambert, and then managed to repeat the trick in the FA Cup semi with Tosspot Tim.

[ozzjim]

I know the feeling Chris. It looks like a good idea, it fits well, but then something just tells me we will be here in 6 months looking back saying we should have gone all in on Moyes.

Amen

I am not saying we should not go for Garde. It is just a feeling from being hit by successive mangers. Even O'Neill was a big let down for me. They all go to shit, only Tim went faster than most have.

[Tony Erdington]

But with a load of poor appointments, they dont have a good track record of getting the right man in, Garde who i know nothing about, or Moyes who I believe a top manager, the only reason to go for Garde is his cheaper and wont demand a transfer budget.

Whatever Randy has valued us at , I think he can at this moment consider reducing it, and thats a factor randy and co should bring into their decision.

[NeilH]

I know the feeling Chris. It looks like a good idea, it fits well, but then something just tells me we will be here in 6 months looking back saying we should have gone all in on Moyes.

My feelings too.

[Ger Regan]

But with a load of poor appointments, they dont have a good track record of getting the right man in, Garde who i know nothing about, or Moyes who I believe a top manager, the only reason to go for Garde is his cheaper and wont demand a transfer budget.

If you know nothing about him, how do you know they're the only reasons to go for garde?

[Monty]

On the subject of these ex-pros, it's worth remembering that most of their playing careers were spent in England in the 1990s. Now, we had a lot of fun in the 90s, but I was watching highlights of Villa games from the Gregory era and, wow, the standard was really quite bad. Just to be sure I watched highlights of Spanish and Italian middle-ranking league games from the same time, and the Premier League looks an absolute mile behind them. It was faster, in that everyone was so incompetent on the ball that it changed hands all the time, but the players were sluggish and technically poor, the pitches were bogs and the tactics were beyond atrocious. As the money really started to come in and be used well in the 00s, the standard of the play and the tactics went up massively until we are where we are now.

The point is - why should we expect the likes of Merson or Sherwood to know anything about football today? They played at a real low-point for the English game in international terms, and mostly for managers who barely had any idea what was going on elsewhere in the world and by and large didn't care. Their opinions are sometimes less than worthless - they're biased in favour of what they know, namely crapness and mediocrity.

[Tony Erdington]

But with a load of poor appointments, they dont have a good track record of getting the right man in, Garde who i know nothing about, or Moyes who I believe a top manager, the only reason to go for Garde is his cheaper and wont demand a transfer budget.

If you know nothing about him, how do you know they're the only reasons to go for garde?

Fella you know what?

Studied Garde have you?

look at the appointments on what grounds where they based?

Moyes obviously aint a cheap option, as a Villa fan I want reassurance that were going for the best we can get, Garde as far as I know aint managed in the prem?

[paul_e]

but what is relevant experience in the premier league?  For example if Mourinho got sacked this afternoon and called Fox to apply for the job would his experience at the top of the premier league make him more or less suited to a relegation battle than someone who's been fighting relegation in Germany, for example?  Can you say without doubt that it would be more because if you can't then the myth of premier league experience is largely laid bare.

In any new job there is a period of adjustment, that is true for any walk of life. That is why so many organisations prefer internal promotions much of the time as they already know the culture so can get down to productive work more quickly.

My worries are more to do with the Villa though, if it is something we have identified as a good idea then recent experience suggests it probably isn't; get this one wrong and we are down and the prospect of an early return not something I would put money on.

I agree, what I disagree on is that experience from one premier league club automatically translates to another, especially if the style used is very different to either what the team has done or what the players in the squad are suited to.

[Dave]

as a Villa fan I want reassurance that were going for the best we can get, Garde as far as I know aint managed in the prem?

God, it's enough to make you weep.