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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #4740 on: October 11, 2015, 10:40:15 AM »
Sherwood's much-lauded 'honesty' is actually him standing in front of the cameras every week and saying 'not me guv'. This is what pissed off the Spurs fans so much - no matter how foolish the strategic masterplan Sherwood sent them out with, he would always go to the press after the defeat and complain about the players not having enough 'desire' or 'grit' or whatever. His theme with us is more 'individual errors', but it's still not him.

The best managers - Mourinho, Ferguson, even Warren Gatland over in the egg-chasing - deploy various methods of deflecting blame from their players, and only publicly criticise them if something's gone seriously, seriously wrong (like Mourinho at the moment). Hence why they always whinge about referees. Sherwood started by blaming the players from day one, and has only recently admitted that he might have something to do with the problem. It's not really on, and if I were playing for him I might just think 'well fuck you, Napoleon, how about a better plan?'.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #4741 on: October 11, 2015, 10:44:57 AM »
Is Rodgers overhyped over his Swansea days?

Swansea have an amazing board and chairman, it's no coincidence that every manager for the last 5-6 years has smashed it, it's harder to fail.
But I think Rodgers is better than Sherwood.

It's just depressing that we are once again settling for 'better than what we've got' manager instead of being proactive and getting a manager that can give us the best chance of moving forward as a club. This is all on the assumption Brendon is favourite.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #4742 on: October 11, 2015, 10:49:19 AM »
Just why is Rodgers being suggested, because of his Swansea work?
Was the Swansea success all down to him, or because of a system they have, that has obviously been continued under Gary Monk.
The very fact that their success has continued, following his appointment, looks to me like the set up there is correct, rather than individuals.

Watching Rodgers' Liverpool team since Suarez left was like watching our own 'eye bleeding' boring, ineffective football, but with better individual players.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #4743 on: October 11, 2015, 10:57:43 AM »
Swansea have an amazing board and chairman, it's no coincidence that every manager for the last 5-6 years has smashed it, it's harder to fail.

The difficult part is identifying what Jenkins does which Fox doesn't or couldn't do.  I'm hoping the Randy years will become remembered as Pre-Fox and Post-Fox as Fox has, in a short amount of time, built a team which is comparable with most clubs so the structure should be in place for us to become more like Swansea i.e. where the manager is less vital.

The bit which is missing is the DNA of our footballing style.  Hopefully the next manager will click and that can become our footballing philosophy which the scouts and analysts can fall in behind. 

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #4744 on: October 11, 2015, 10:57:50 AM »
Sherwood's much-lauded 'honesty' is actually him standing in front of the cameras every week and saying 'not me guv'. This is what pissed off the Spurs fans so much - no matter how foolish the strategic masterplan Sherwood sent them out with, he would always go to the press after the defeat and complain about the players not having enough 'desire' or 'grit' or whatever. His theme with us is more 'individual errors', but it's still not him.
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I've seen some of this today in the paper reports, saying how he needs players that can go to places like Stamford Bridge and be up for the fight and not be scared. That's a shocking thing to say for me. For me it's out tactics and organisation that have let us down so badly. We have a good squad of players and he should be getting far more out of them. Disappointing response from Sherwood, but true to form it seems.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #4745 on: October 11, 2015, 11:02:32 AM »
He also, amazingly, said that you can't just go out there trying to not get beat, as 'I tried that a couple of times and got beat anyway'. Just making it up as he goes along.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #4746 on: October 11, 2015, 11:03:39 AM »
Sherwood's much-lauded 'honesty' is actually him standing in front of the cameras every week and saying 'not me guv'. This is what pissed off the Spurs fans so much - no matter how foolish the strategic masterplan Sherwood sent them out with, he would always go to the press after the defeat and complain about the players not having enough 'desire' or 'grit' or whatever. His theme with us is more 'individual errors', but it's still not him.
<snip>

I've seen some of this today in the paper reports, saying how he needs players that can go to places like Stamford Bridge and be up for the fight and not be scared. That's a shocking thing to say for me. For me it's out tactics and organisation that have let us down so badly. We have a good squad of players and he should be getting far more out of them. Disappointing response from Sherwood, but true to form it seems.

I can see what he's saying, he's saying 'have no fear'. Teams go to places like that and Old Trafford and already think they're beaten.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #4747 on: October 11, 2015, 11:03:47 AM »
He has no tactics, so all he can do is provide grit, passion etc. 'Big chests lads' management.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #4748 on: October 11, 2015, 11:11:08 AM »
Sherwood's much-lauded 'honesty' is actually him standing in front of the cameras every week and saying 'not me guv'. This is what pissed off the Spurs fans so much - no matter how foolish the strategic masterplan Sherwood sent them out with, he would always go to the press after the defeat and complain about the players not having enough 'desire' or 'grit' or whatever. His theme with us is more 'individual errors', but it's still not him.
<snip>

I've seen some of this today in the paper reports, saying how he needs players that can go to places like Stamford Bridge and be up for the fight and not be scared. That's a shocking thing to say for me. For me it's out tactics and organisation that have let us down so badly. We have a good squad of players and he should be getting far more out of them. Disappointing response from Sherwood, but true to form it seems.

I can see what he's saying, he's saying 'have no fear'. Teams go to places like that and Old Trafford and already think they're beaten.

I agree with the sentiment but then setting up with 5 at the back at home against Stoke isn't setting the best example.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #4749 on: October 11, 2015, 11:11:38 AM »
Sherwood's much-lauded 'honesty' is actually him standing in front of the cameras every week and saying 'not me guv'. This is what pissed off the Spurs fans so much - no matter how foolish the strategic masterplan Sherwood sent them out with, he would always go to the press after the defeat and complain about the players not having enough 'desire' or 'grit' or whatever. His theme with us is more 'individual errors', but it's still not him.
<snip>

I've seen some of this today in the paper reports, saying how he needs players that can go to places like Stamford Bridge and be up for the fight and not be scared. That's a shocking thing to say for me. For me it's out tactics and organisation that have let us down so badly. We have a good squad of players and he should be getting far more out of them. Disappointing response from Sherwood, but true to form it seems.

I can see what he's saying, he's saying 'have no fear'. Teams go to places like that and Old Trafford and already think they're beaten.

In principle, yes, playing with no fear would be a welcome change but our problem for me isn't fear from the players, it's the players not having a clue what they should be doing. We still haven't found a formation that seems to work and generally seem to be ineffective. This quote felt to me he was shifting the blame from him. The Telegraph article specifically mentioned him coming under fire from us for his tactics.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #4750 on: October 11, 2015, 11:13:26 AM »
Sherwood own confidence is suffering and we all see more outrageous defensive comments with a lack of responsibility until he leaves. I suspect he get a draw from somewhere in on of next two matches however inclyding those and then 3 after if there isn't a win he'll be gone.
Honest Tim does like his comments but that ll only take it so far as players don't like to hear we weren't good enough . Sherwood needs to work on his constructive criticism and the way he says his honest comments. I also feel he using his honesty tactic to stop him self from being criticized. He can't handle the situation so plays his way out of it. Of course other managers are defensive , single minded and ruthless but I only seeing Tim in a defensive light at mo and making obvious simple comments like we need more wins is frankly laughable.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #4751 on: October 11, 2015, 11:16:23 AM »
Sherwood's much-lauded 'honesty' is actually him standing in front of the cameras every week and saying 'not me guv'. This is what pissed off the Spurs fans so much - no matter how foolish the strategic masterplan Sherwood sent them out with, he would always go to the press after the defeat and complain about the players not having enough 'desire' or 'grit' or whatever. His theme with us is more 'individual errors', but it's still not him.
<snip>

I've seen some of this today in the paper reports, saying how he needs players that can go to places like Stamford Bridge and be up for the fight and not be scared. That's a shocking thing to say for me. For me it's out tactics and organisation that have let us down so badly. We have a good squad of players and he should be getting far more out of them. Disappointing response from Sherwood, but true to form it seems.

I can see what he's saying, he's saying 'have no fear'. Teams go to places like that and Old Trafford and already think they're beaten.

I agree with the sentiment but then setting up with 5 at the back at home against Stoke isn't setting the best example.

Did he actually play 5 at the back? I thought Hutton was the right midfielder? Either way, yes it was a bit of a strange one.

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #4752 on: October 11, 2015, 11:16:48 AM »
It's the way Sherwood says things both in media and to players. Individual errors he is making errors himself!

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #4753 on: October 11, 2015, 11:19:38 AM »
He has no tactics, so all he can do is provide grit, passion etc. 'Big chests lads' management.

he cant even do that lol

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Re: It's Sherwood!
« Reply #4754 on: October 11, 2015, 11:19:55 AM »
Sherwood's much-lauded 'honesty' is actually him standing in front of the cameras every week and saying 'not me guv'. This is what pissed off the Spurs fans so much - no matter how foolish the strategic masterplan Sherwood sent them out with, he would always go to the press after the defeat and complain about the players not having enough 'desire' or 'grit' or whatever. His theme with us is more 'individual errors', but it's still not him.
<snip>

I've seen some of this today in the paper reports, saying how he needs players that can go to places like Stamford Bridge and be up for the fight and not be scared. That's a shocking thing to say for me. For me it's out tactics and organisation that have let us down so badly. We have a good squad of players and he should be getting far more out of them. Disappointing response from Sherwood, but true to form it seems.

I can see what he's saying, he's saying 'have no fear'. Teams go to places like that and Old Trafford and already think they're beaten.

I agree with the sentiment but then setting up with 5 at the back at home against Stoke isn't setting the best example.

Did he actually play 5 at the back? I thought Hutton was the right midfielder? Either way, yes it was a bit of a strange one.

I think it was meant to be 3-5-2 but the wing backs got pushed back which I think is always going to be the problem with that formation against well organised teams.

 


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