It's not Sherwood!

[Malandro]

Ungrateful

We were down when he arrived. Our form was the worst in the league. We were the worst scorers. During his time our defence has been decimated by injuries to ridiculous levels

Within three months we were the third top scorers in the league. He had the confidence to start grealish who shone. We were interesting to watch for the first time in years. We didn't just play long to benteke. We put in some genuinely fantastic performances - Liverpool, everton, Sunderland, west brom. Name me four better performances since oneill's last season.

 It would be outrageous to sack him

Sack him, bloody hell.

I'm looking forward to his first season already.

[tomd2103]

Of course we don't know what goes on behind the scenes, but I can't help think that he would be well served adding to his coaching team.  Someone who could maybe bring in a bit of tactical nous and experience.

[Dante Lavelli]

I noticed that Grealish looking particularly knackered in the second half against West Ham and then again at Southampton...so we are to assume that they were basically knackered and couldn't sustain the level of fitness required to perform the way they had been?

They certainly looked knackered for those last few matches.  I'm not sure that it is possible to raise an entire club's fitness when they would already be pro level fit.  What he could reasonably be able to do is rest players strategically to make sure that when on the pitch enough of the players are at their optimum, however that will take some investment.

[Dave]

We put in some genuinely fantastic performances - Liverpool, everton, Sunderland, west brom. Name me four better performances since oneill's last season.

 It would be outrageous to sack him

I'd probably throw out there 2-1 away at Arsenal, 3-1 away against Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool, 6-1 against Sunderland, 1-0 at home to Man City amongst several excellent performances* in that time

That's not to say that you're wrong in any way** - Sherwood's done more than enough to be given time to see what he does next, three shit performances in the last three matches doesn't change that.

It's academic though, whether we're taken over or not he won't be fired until there is a reason to fire him - and nothing he has done up to now warrants that.

*That's not to say that several excellent performances over the course of four and a half seasons is anywhere near good enough - but they were still there.

**In fact, I reckon if you'd gone with "four performances in such a short space of time" then it would be hard to pick ones to match them.

[Toronto Villa]

Ungrateful

We were down when he arrived. Our form was the worst in the league. We were the worst scorers. During his time our defence has been decimated by injuries to ridiculous levels

Within three months we were the third top scorers in the league. He had the confidence to start grealish who shone. We were interesting to watch for the first time in years. We didn't just play long to benteke. We put in some genuinely fantastic performances - Liverpool, everton, Sunderland, west brom. Name me four better performances since oneill's last season.

 It would be outrageous to sack him

agree. Add Everton to that and Tottenham away wasn't too shabby either

[Steve67]

Sack him? Fucking ridiculous notion. Arsenal were outstanding on Saturday. That's why we lost. We need to get real and fully understand that some of our players are really very poor, that's why we have finished in the bottom six for the last four years. To say he has got his work cut out is the understatement of the year so far. Tish has to cut out the rot and build one step at a time.

[Dave]

Ungrateful

We were down when he arrived. Our form was the worst in the league. We were the worst scorers. During his time our defence has been decimated by injuries to ridiculous levels

Within three months we were the third top scorers in the league. He had the confidence to start grealish who shone. We were interesting to watch for the first time in years. We didn't just play long to benteke. We put in some genuinely fantastic performances - Liverpool, everton, Sunderland, west brom. Name me four better performances since oneill's last season.

 It would be outrageous to sack him

agree. Add Everton to that and Tottenham away wasn't too shabby either

I agree with the general point, but counting Everton twice would just be cheating...

[Toronto Villa]

Ungrateful

We were down when he arrived. Our form was the worst in the league. We were the worst scorers. During his time our defence has been decimated by injuries to ridiculous levels

Within three months we were the third top scorers in the league. He had the confidence to start grealish who shone. We were interesting to watch for the first time in years. We didn't just play long to benteke. We put in some genuinely fantastic performances - Liverpool, everton, Sunderland, west brom. Name me four better performances since oneill's last season.

 It would be outrageous to sack him

agree. Add Everton to that and Tottenham away wasn't too shabby either

I agree with the general point, but counting Everton twice would just be cheating...

it was the lower case that Tom Foxed me. My eyes aren't what they once were!

[brontebilly]

Sherwood's honeymoon at Villa Park is well and truly over after last weekend. Pre, during and post game it was amateur hour from our guvnor

To be honest, Southampton was a car crash too. Both performances could have ended up 8-0 type defeats

Where Sherwood gets credit is that the common denominator over the last four/five years is the same crap group of players especially the core ones. It means that the problem wasn't just McAllister, McLeish, Lambert or Scottish managers as was being suggested during our good run. The players simply aren't good enough especially for the quality of manager our budget can attract. If we don't have a major turaround next season in personnel we will be fighting relegation again with the likes of Sunderland.

My prediction when he came in was that he would last less than 12 months and be hated worse than O'Leary when he goes, still think that's the most likely outcome. If he tries to throw his players under the proverbial bus next season like he did last weekend, he will be as good as gone imo.

[Ads]

The most likely outcome is for him to alienate supporters more in one season than O'Leary managed in three years? Are you for real?

[KRS]

Who mentioned anything about sacking him? TS is very much in credit and more than deserves his chance at building his own squad. If he can get the level of performance that he has shown he can achieve with the current squad, then it should be exciting times ahead with players at his disposal that can sustain what is required and expected of them.

[pauliewalnuts]

I'm still trying to work out how he got a bunch of useless players to play like Brazil and then return to being as useless as they were before he came in. Part of me thinks that the magic has worn off, but to get them playing like they did surely means that they are capable of being a good team...or at least half decent. I'm pretty sure that I didn't imagine it so I'm really struggling to work this one out.

It's probably worth remembering that the rubbish performances came after we'd reached the final (ie a distraction) and the last four games of a very long season (in which we'd had a long cup run)

[PeterWithe]

Its probably worth reiterating that the bloke who said 'sack him' was someone a poster met on a train, I met lots of mental people over the weekend as well.

[brontebilly]

The most likely outcome is for him to alienate supporters more in one season than O'Leary managed in three years? Are you for real?

Yep, O'Leary got us to sixth in the league and tenth in his second season. There is no chance of our Tim getting near that. Timmy has the DOL like odious characteristics that I fear will come to fore if things don't go his way.

Hope I'm wrong but he could easily turn out like a Phil Brown in a gilett roaring pride at the players. There was some sympathy for the likes of McLeish and Lambert when their time looked up. I can't imagine there will be any for Sherwood.

Would love to be proven wrong but he has never signed a player, organized pre season, has he even got his coaching badges?

[pauliewalnuts]

I think he's certainly got potential to be divisive, but suggesting he'll outdo O'Leary in one season is way over the top, surely?