It's not Sherwood!

[Tom_Mc9?]

I think that it's easy to forget that Sherwood is relatively inexperienced in the job and like young players will make mistakes. Hopefully he learns from it and improves next time. He's done more than enough to deserve to be here next season and I think it's a shame that some are suggesting he isn't good enough on the back of a bad fortnight or so.

[clash city rocker]

The nagging doubt I have is when did Sherwood tell the half a dozen players they were surplus to requirements.

[supertom]

I think there was an element of running out of steam; it took a monumental effort to stay up on the back of  Lambert's pathetic tenure especially this season. May be the cup run fatigued the team more coupled with the threat of relegation. I can't believe some of the negative comments towards TS. He turned round a nigh on impossible situation with no transfer window and players very low on confidence. Lerner is the main problem as has been the case since 2010. He needs to state his intentions to the fans instead of hiding in the shadows while the club sinks.

His last interview all but said that he's not interested in the day to day of the club anymore. It's all on Fox now. So the sooner we sell the better. I've no doubts Randy likes the Villa, but does he care? I think his brain is focused elsewhere. The novelty wore off.

[supertom]

The nagging doubt I have is when did Sherwood tell the half a dozen players they were surplus to requirements.

The moment the walked in the dressing room after the final whistle I hope.
I would imagine he's largely referring to players who didn't play yesterday though.

[frankmosswasmyuncle]

TS may not the long term post-holder - and I mean 4/5 years plus - but he has certainly had a positive effect on a badly ailing team, devoid of any confidence or even half-decent ability.
We're still in the PL and we got to the final of the FA Cup.
Most teams and fans would be delighted with that.
Sherwood's got a lot of work to do and nothing showed that more than Saturday's game - Wenger's had years and pots of dosh to get it right, and many Arse fans are still unhappy with him. We need to give Sherwood a realistic chance...we certainly ain't gonna be beating the top 4 every time we play them next season but we've made progress so far; I like to think we can expect more over the next few seasons under TS. 

[not3bad]

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[ClaretAndBlueBlood]

He wasn't someone I would have chosen to be manager and I'm still not sure he is right for the longer term but he has done what was asked of him this season and has earned himself the right to try and take us forward next season. Let's see how that goes and then judge him

[Hookeysmith]

I think he has done wonders since he came here considering the club was dead and buried in my mind at that point. With no change in personnel he got us fighting and playing football and that without doubt saved the day. On Saturday he could not muster the same responses from a team that had just about ran out of steam by then. I really like the guy and at the time of his appointment I could think of no one better but this one thing has nagged me since he was appointed and even more so as other pick up on it.

That leads neatly into the final alarm bell about what awaits Villa in 2015/16: Sherwood has never done this before. He has never organised a pre-season, he has never overhauled a squad (indeed, he has never even signed a player) and he has never had to fulfil his ambitious and ambiguous target to "make these players winners".

 I just hope he proves all the doubters wrong and is supported by the board (whoever they may be)

[Toronto Villa]

I think he has done wonders since he came here considering the club was dead and buried in my mind at that point. With no change in personnel he got us fighting and playing football and that without doubt saved the day. On Saturday he could not muster the same responses from a team that had just about ran out of steam by then. I really like the guy and at the time of his appointment I could think of no one better but this one thing has nagged me since he was appointed and even more so as other pick up on it.

That leads neatly into the final alarm bell about what awaits Villa in 2015/16: Sherwood has never done this before. He has never organised a pre-season, he has never overhauled a squad (indeed, he has never even signed a player) and he has never had to fulfil his ambitious and ambiguous target to "make these players winners".

 I just hope he proves all the doubters wrong and is supported by the board (whoever they may be)

By comparison Lambert has done all of those things many times over and yet we scored 12 times in 25 games and were dead certs for relegation with our magnificent points total and negative GD. A minus number that works great for Rory, not so good for a football club.

We have no idea how he'll do, but I do know he's surrounded himself with a staff that is going to help him. Unlike Lambert who went into the pre-season with almost no help at all. The manager cannot do everything, and he'll need to delegate tasks. But he can't do any worse than the last bloke we had so I'll start there and say it can only get better.

[The Left Side]

He wasn't someone I would have chosen to be manager and I'm still not sure he is right for the longer term but he has done what was asked of him this season and has earned himself the right to try and take us forward next season. Let's see how that goes and then judge him

This for me, give him a chance... with a pre-season and transfer window it will take a few seasons to get us back where we should be not a few weeks.

[alftitimus]

Blimey, two posts in two days by me 

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I wasn't calling for Tim's P45 btw ~ ~ I was trying to structure a debate beyond the blind obsession we have when things go well, that puts blinkers on us.

When Paul arrived, everything was brilliant, everyone loved him. We didn't do much initially, but He Wasn't AM, so although close season, the "New Manager Bounce" was not pronounced.

But he wasn't AM, and we were 100% behind him.

Tim did get the "new-manager-bounce".

It does work, but the "new manager" plateaus out imo.
Pardew and Pulis for example. Ramsay as the opposite at QPR.

Advocaat at Sunderland. All mid-season changes.

A new broom in the main gets an extra percentage from his players, but it never lasts.

Players go back into their comfort zone, once they have a reckoning of the new man, imo.

Tim reached his plateau 6 games ago. Since then we have slipped and slided backwards.
He hasn't the wherewithal to recognise that, change it or even realise the weakness of other teams.

PRIOR to the Final, he gave a "heads-up" to his bomb list.{Pressie before Final}
Tim being considerate and emphatic with his players. Even told the media how "considerate" a boss he was.

Mis-management and naivety Big Time.

So, I don't think any new owner will keep Tim on.
And there are lots of top class managers that a new owner could choose from, that we deserve !
New owner, new money.

Tim's time with us is realistically shorter rather than longer ~ imo.
He doesn't adapt on-the-hoof, he doesn't sub with creativity, he doesn't think before he speaks.
Christian to Real in a year if he was managed by Tim ...what nonsense.

I don't know what level or what league, Tim would be ideal at...but I do know and believe that we are not his true home.

And I say this before TF allows too much money to be spent by a manager who believes in himself 101% ~~~ but in his players ...50% ?

[VillaAlways]

A new manager bounce implies we won the first couple of games and then went back to shit, this hasn't been the case We have been inconsistent which is really what you would expect from a team that is absolutely on the floor in terms of confidence, this isn't an overnight job. How in earth can we even begin to judge him when he hasn't even had the opportunity to bring in his own players. Under the circumstances he's done an amazing job and if we got new owners that sacked him now I would be worried about the new owners.

[tomd2103]

A new manager bounce implies we won the first couple of games and then went back to shit, this hasn't been the case We have been inconsistent which is really what you would expect from a team that is absolutely on the floor in terms of confidence, this isn't an overnight job. How in earth can we even begin to judge him when he hasn't even had the opportunity to bring in his own players. Under the circumstances he's done an amazing job and if we got new owners that sacked him now I would be worried about the new owners.

All hypothetical of course, but that would surely be depending on who they brought in to replace him?

[Drummond]

He did what we needed. We stayed in the division.

We even got to the Cup Final. Arsenal were brilliant on Saturday, they would have won against anyone and our players were chasing shadows the whole time.

It doesn't mean we should question him, he's right though, some of our squad need to go and we need more players in.

[not3bad]

Blimey, two posts in two days by me 

...................

I wasn't calling for Tim's P45 btw ~ ~ I was trying to structure a debate beyond the blind obsession we have when things go well, that puts blinkers on us.

When Paul arrived, everything was brilliant, everyone loved him. We didn't do much initially, but He Wasn't AM, so although close season, the "New Manager Bounce" was not pronounced.

But he wasn't AM, and we were 100% behind him.

Tim did get the "new-manager-bounce".

It does work, but the "new manager" plateaus out imo.
Pardew and Pulis for example. Ramsay as the opposite at QPR.

Advocaat at Sunderland. All mid-season changes.

A new broom in the main gets an extra percentage from his players, but it never lasts.

Players go back into their comfort zone, once they have a reckoning of the new man, imo.

Tim reached his plateau 6 games ago. Since then we have slipped and slided backwards.
He hasn't the wherewithal to recognise that, change it or even realise the weakness of other teams.

PRIOR to the Final, he gave a "heads-up" to his bomb list.{Pressie before Final}
Tim being considerate and emphatic with his players. Even told the media how "considerate" a boss he was.

Mis-management and naivety Big Time.

So, I don't think any new owner will keep Tim on.
And there are lots of top class managers that a new owner could choose from, that we deserve !
New owner, new money.

Tim's time with us is realistically shorter rather than longer ~ imo.
He doesn't adapt on-the-hoof, he doesn't sub with creativity, he doesn't think before he speaks.
Christian to Real in a year if he was managed by Tim ...what nonsense.

I don't know what level or what league, Tim would be ideal at...but I do know and believe that we are not his true home.

And I say this before TF allows too much money to be spent by a manager who believes in himself 101% ~~~ but in his players ...50% ?

I disagree. You mention that Sherwood got a "new manager bounce" but you ommit the part where the bounce was not immediate. Stoke and Newcastle were both defeats. I believe that Villa were so "down" at the point Sherwood joined us that he had to make quite an effort to get us going before we started to pick up points. That he managed to do this is no small achievement I think, and it is nothing like the "automatic bounce" that you imply.  For this reason I think he deserves and will get a chance from a new owner.